< 1427328079 600728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better do that before NH4 is released < 1427328590 914799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUID4 is the only one people actually use, I think... < 1427328609 656883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what 3 and 5 are, though. < 1427328624 387537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a "GUID4" unless you're using (pseudo)random bits, though. < 1427328630 891843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, a hash is like a PRNG with a very bad seed, or something.) < 1427329795 183662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 3 and 5 are the hash-based ones < 1427329802 853622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1427329814 249532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD5 and SHA1 respectively < 1427329833 781772 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1427352842 373506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42200&oldid=42198 5* 0381.102.250.85 5* (+112) 10/* Duck Inputs */ Loop Ends < 1427353092 821830 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427355102 48916 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427357946 807528 :xxxxyz!~simpleirc@c-73-52-174-213.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427357989 19919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42201&oldid=42200 5* 0391.231.90.102 5* (+0) 10/* How To Use */ Fixed /n. < 1427357993 675504 :xxxxyz!~simpleirc@c-73-52-174-213.hsd1.ut.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: xxxxyz < 1427359417 68490 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck duck goose < 1427360437 698847 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this religious 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1427370596 923252 :Guest99429!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1427370626 632410 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Guest9353 < 1427370975 453344 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like murder mysteries? < 1427370975 793216 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas_: no, i mean < 1427370980 710531 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu NICK :b_jonas < 1427371110 262245 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is back? < 1427371110 484731 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: does the small print is meant to make liftm f x a _function_. you can't. < 1427371143 235277 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1427371143 356502 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1427372269 435972 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1427372670 986248 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1427373876 276686 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :int-e < 1427374278 372090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1427375396 93981 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that other language beside rust? < 1427375737 926758 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm i'll learn Rust next. < 1427376199 730953 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427376637 666686 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427376662 741092 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427377057 395884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427377568 266706 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Nim < 1427377570 426047 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1427377599 761452 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1427377861 955120 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1427377862 681731 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1427377954 824076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you tell me about the conditional branch prediction and branch target prediction in modern CPUs? < 1427377955 78439 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: does formal semantics really matter? < 1427377981 235131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, it certainly does in this channel, for we want to abuse it < 1427377981 610111 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: to make it reality =d can you write anywhere?' < 1427377984 682737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I could easily interpret that line as being from someone other than fungot < 1427377984 956374 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is scan and are they the same? http://list.cs.brown.edu/ pipermail/ gambit-list/ 2006-january/ 000540.html how'd you go about implementing an object system < 1427378000 276563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, he does steal lines of others < 1427378002 238101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do you consider Pure BF an abuse of formal semantics? < 1427378032 752937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, dunno < 1427378094 620403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I know what I wanted to ask you < 1427378488 128378 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427379626 247468 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427380121 118163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1427380137 666198 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427380423 920974 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427380458 903158 :ski_!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se NICK :ski < 1427380570 884601 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427380625 18958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Secretary14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42207&oldid=40984 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+8) 10Fixed Wingpad < 1427381248 606447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42208&oldid=42186 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+11) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Added TillDeath < 1427381351 292792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hashes14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42209&oldid=39481 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+12) 10Fixed Name < 1427381428 712590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Huh?14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42210&oldid=32607 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+0) 10Fixed Name < 1427381452 103420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Huh?14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42211&oldid=42210 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (-2) 10 < 1427381528 701098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Huh?++14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42212&oldid=38270 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (-7) 10Fixed more names. < 1427381740 683945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427382111 26870 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1427383112 595028 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How you been? < 1427383112 806504 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i just got up for a while before i can get away with optimizing whole programs to nothing. < 1427383155 240862 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: to nothing? < 1427383155 623910 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it can generate fortran code in any language other than english? dictionary doesn't know it! bwhaha! i'm just too fnord about it when scheme48 1.0 is in much more subtle. < 1427383175 189766 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm so in subtle myself. < 1427383175 322241 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a preprocessor for logic programming in haskell < 1427383205 950226 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You should learn prolog. < 1427383206 192664 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i'm workin' on it and i rewrite it for you? it tends to restart itself, and i'd like it < 1427383222 687629 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee thanks. But you don't need to rewrite Prolog just for me <3 < 1427383688 482249 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427384269 717119 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1427384882 773222 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-livqxemjyzhsrbah QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1427384933 380100 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427385329 222648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42213&oldid=30345 5* 03Marinus 5* (-9) 10fixed broken link < 1427386128 965703 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric < 1427386258 941546 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oerjan < 1427386259 489884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1427386279 393739 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too bad, there should really be an oerjan command < 1427386559 768400 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427388319 40356 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwgsyjigusizbtrv JOIN :#esoteric < 1427389455 174418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427389588 515265 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the incantation to have ls show the size of a directory properly < 1427389631 790880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by "properly" < 1427389647 668762 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the total size of all files inside it, plus it < 1427389675 882966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls can't do that because the information isn't stored anywhere, it has to be calculated and that's really timeconsuming < 1427389680 868718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program you probably want is called du < 1427389694 884887 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it, windows shows that information < 1427389702 169670 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaa < 1427389718 595800 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does du also ahow size of fiels < 1427389722 494995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Windows shows it in the GUI but takes a while to calculate it; I don't think dir (the equivalent of ls) shows it < 1427389733 58300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use "du -a" to show size of files too < 1427389746 942270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary what crazy dangerous and complicated hooks some people in informatics will try to jump through for 20% performance increases < 1427389750 3670 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows shows it growing in the UI, with no indication of how far it's gotten yet, which is bad UX imo < 1427389753 550463 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu does this too < 1427389762 683358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you might want to use "--apparent-size" if you care about the size of the files themselves, rather than the amount of disk they use u < 1427389764 537119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*up < 1427389767 148055 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :because copying Windows is always a great idea < 1427389773 586151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "-h" or "--si" to get the answer in sensible units < 1427389780 204879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's probably the lazy impl < 1427389873 237308 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the incantation is "du -sh --apparent-size". < 1427389902 163862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what it is you're trying to calculate, perhaps < 1427389911 403519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has options because people don't always use it for the same purpose < 1427389917 62141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, when I want to know the total size of a directory < 1427389924 306730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's normally because I want to know how much disk space it costs me < 1427389928 589696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I leave out --apparent-size < 1427389933 897177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think "du" stands for "disk usage") < 1427389943 309103 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't THAT the apparent size? < 1427389950 319310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I usually say either du -a or du -s < 1427389957 96792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes with a sort after < 1427390023 878375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: no, apparent size is the number of bytes you'd get if you read every byte in the file < 1427390034 273295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be less than the size on disk due to metadata, padding, and the like < 1427390040 868697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more because the file is stored in a compressed format < 1427390058 771530 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sparsely. < 1427390074 569834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a special case of a compressed format, IMO < 1427390085 47331 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conceded. < 1427390104 926525 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be the most common case for this purpose though. < 1427390109 886209 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i ... see. ok, so the incantation to see how much free space I need on a card to put my music on it, is du -s ~/music < 1427390144 150543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly hashtable impl: a sparse file where addresses in your file correspond to possible keys directly < 1427390171 844471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: yep, you probably want to add --si to that (rather than -h) because people size storage devices in powers of 10 rather than powers of 2 < 1427390186 673817 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've seen that done on memory with hashconsing - the address of the object is its hash value < 1427390210 501073 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, y'know, ... interesting < 1427390230 856785 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how can that work? < 1427390234 998884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a lot of mmap < 1427390273 81706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some trick to place your stack somewhere your hashtable won't touch < 1427390277 884538 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two identical objects can have different addresses < 1427390288 624123 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: not if you hashcons them :) < 1427390290 619754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: not in this case! < 1427390298 238197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I assume all objects have to be immutable < 1427390312 351338 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my memory of it is fuzzy but I assume so too < 1427390314 731040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure how you do deallocation; refcounting? < 1427390356 194820 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so we are replacing addresses with hashes, not replacing hashs with addresses < 1427390368 341599 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was on a 680x0 architecture fwiw. no mmap. stack is just... tucked away somewhere nice < 1427390372 856192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: right < 1427390403 680049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: mmap and friends would be helpful here because it lets your address space be larger than your physical memory < 1427390436 102889 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would remove that limitation < 1427390578 652277 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if it isn't immutable, then change to one sub-object changes the hashes of every object that points to it .: it has to be immutable < 1427390742 507599 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means that "does the object X exist" is a reasonable question. In C for example you'd have to iterate through memory, with hashconsig you can just use that hash < 1427391057 102034 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is... interesting. i might try to dig up the paper (which included a bunch of stuff about trees vs hash tables for some reason) < 1427391115 935274 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach kids to code so they can build things with love and change the world < 1427391132 223779 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unrelated) < 1427391158 650765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: there are two problems with that question < 1427391162 803245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is hash collisions < 1427391180 759200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is, in order to be able to ask the question, you need the object in the first place and thus the object definitely does exist < 1427391202 743521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found both of these problems when writing my Perl memory profiler, which had a "does this object exist" as one of its side functionalities) < 1427391222 804748 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not if the question is asked from a degug envionment? < 1427391236 463049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: right, or if you're asking the question of the hash rather than of the object < 1427391244 218674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devel::TrackAllocations' testsuite uses it < 1427391838 416844 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1427391866 414956 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1427391866 416941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1427393072 206461 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1427393229 25221 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1427394075 839703 :yukko!~yuuko@unaffiliated/yukko PART :#esoteric < 1427394320 716613 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427394464 84829 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427395103 380918 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1427395721 339575 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1427395758 878380 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427396426 1473 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427396885 323485 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwgsyjigusizbtrv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1427398168 90301 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kibrfiucsziyrcug JOIN :#esoteric < 1427398465 656692 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427399678 508412 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1427399975 590306 :Guest9353!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1427400243 942519 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427400841 98039 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1427400868 895995 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1427400950 288258 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427401459 6604 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1427402116 122549 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427402120 833238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1427402122 300944 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427403708 947725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:17:20 ais523: i ... see. ok, so the incantation to see how much free space I need on a card to put my music on it, is du -s ~/music < 1427403713 49145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's using the same filesystem < 1427403717 571472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ignoring things like deduplication etc. < 1427403743 117081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of these apparently simple questions, where the answer is complex < 1427404076 114116 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that gives a good guess, yes < 1427406148 992158 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1427407440 68736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1427408037 830179 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427408051 50072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhoily < 1427408125 250887 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœrjan! < 1427408272 510361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may have drifted out of overlap with cpressey's irc time again < 1427408344 716572 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? which means? < 1427408383 836640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that his attempt to catch me failed < 1427408451 982435 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. you were trying to meet? < 1427408494 540932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he was, it seems < 1427408509 889373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he didn't seem to say why < 1427408525 117157 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something apocalypse something fungot something. < 1427408525 530772 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fizzie you got fnord?!? < 1427408538 49475 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fizzie has fnord. < 1427408538 724043 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what is lambda? why isn't ( x) ( 1+ y)) please, will someone explain to me how exactly i'm going to < 1427408541 80335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he _really_ wanted to use lambdabot's @oerjan command, i guess that's a remote possibility. < 1427408545 217317 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title is showing as RIP JiAA MatouA!ek for me? < 1427408566 4296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping < 1427408576 554711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: there are some accents < 1427408576 830413 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: J i r-hacek i-acute M a t o u s-hacek e k. < 1427408590 297464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jiří Matoušek < 1427408607 297602 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1427408608 95946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that _also_ shows up broken, you need to fix your unicode. < 1427408609 653408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: you should try to set your irc client to use utf-8 encoding < 1427408628 462268 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am seeig J i Ao A~ Matou Ao upsidedown ! < 1427408638 882383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly IRC doesn't have a single definite encoding, people have been known to use various single-byte national encodings on different channels just a few years ago < 1427408651 556638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days they seem to have converged to utf-8, at least in the parts of irc I frequent < 1427408664 766773 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: heed the b_jonasadvice. utf8ify your client. < 1427408675 806376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 is definitely the recommended encoding for this channel. < 1427408676 821307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you forgot the space < 1427408683 669812 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, now it's working < 1427408689 352308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1427408692 711281 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no I didn't :P < 1427408705 543687 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(word conflagration is a fun pastime!) < 1427408717 392216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oerjan what does @oerjan do? < 1427408717 779906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1427408720 979417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with fallback to something latin-1'y < 1427408732 743179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, his name isn't “Jiři Matoušek” despite that I wrote that a few times by mistake) < 1427408735 290114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: something evil, i assume < 1427408763 482966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky long vowels < 1427408781 794637 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: makes sense. < 1427408789 907221 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky ř. < 1427408835 745177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is pesky < 1427408867 198316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-language sound. well, i'm not entirely sure whether slovakian also has it. < 1427408871 782843 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427408924 212256 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, to an ignorant foreigner like me the “ř” is just “r” with funny spelling, not a separate sound < 1427409016 749676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ẩ < 1427409018 17946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1EA8 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE] < 1427409063 588912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it exists in some dialects of other languages, including slovak, but the wikipedia page only list czech as having it generally < 1427409123 223849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꜳꜳꜳrgh! < 1427409140 141042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exists as in distinct from r, or as an allophone? < 1427409142 898455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hm hungarians shouldn't be that ignorant hth < 1427409191 318485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well in the polish and silesian entries in the table it's listed as contrasting. < 1427409220 200054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1427409232 683786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill#Occurrence_2 < 1427409313 123510 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pharo 4 beta was recently released < 1427409326 822623 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will probably play with the final version when it comes out
< 1427409350 456410 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-hello! vocalizing your suffering in foreign languages? < 1427409375 346285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You talking to me? < 1427409375 555121 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but you can do about it? i thought since it was originally compiled with japanese perhaps that was his point... it's a bit cheap, relative to < 1427409502 794762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꜳꜳꜳ < 1427409504 234193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA] [U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA] [U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA] < 1427409512 671309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: ping ← pong < 1427409636 850454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: just questioning the sanity of unicode. < 1427409689 879166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though there may not be anything there to question ;-) ) < 1427409765 624381 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sane! < 1427409856 934240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you asked last time about the sound “gy” represents in Hungarian < 1427409860 687493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1427409912 721835 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION questions the sanity of cookies
< 1427409956 91908 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427409958 87337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one thing that might help is that even in English, a minority of people pronounce “new” and “during” with “ny” and “gy” sounds. this is because those words originally have a [j] sound after the consonant, and “j” has a place of articulation (tongue position) similar to “ny” and “gy” < 1427409990 968056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the “n” and “d” changes, just like how even in English “n” usually changes to the “ng” sound before a “g” or to an “m” sound before a “b”. < 1427409998 442669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how close is English "j" to Hungarian "dgy" < 1427410009 737131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most people just pronounce those words with “n” and “d” though.) < 1427410022 538624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those are the same < 1427410027 549694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1427410032 301706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1427410044 155624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :English “j” is the same as Hungarian “dzs” < 1427410047 944810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :different < 1427410048 684107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, yes < 1427410050 288139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in your name < 1427410053 465050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1427410056 167618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not in my name < 1427410058 637846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "zs" I mean < 1427410061 427953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1427410062 962485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have a "d" < 1427410066 185201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1427410069 164884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot "zs" was even a letter < 1427410082 450354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“zs” is a letter even in Englihs, it occurs in “measure” most famously < 1427410083 275933 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kibrfiucsziyrcug QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1427410088 173867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the voiced pair of “sh” < 1427410103 265666 :luis1!~ray@186-92-136-180.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427410144 696352 :luis1!~ray@186-92-136-180.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1427410199 533226 :luis1!~ray@186-92-136-180.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric < 1427410217 217513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1427410411 531646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, you mean it's a phoneme in english < 1427410438 129386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :english doesn't use 'zs' to represent that sound < 1427410573 637943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure English has a name for it at all < 1427410579 477635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I agree that it is in the middle of the word "measure" < 1427410596 532314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "zsh" is the closest I can get using normal English spelling < 1427411231 917802 :olsner_!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner < 1427411395 655488 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are you still on the sound of hungarian dgy? ISTR that's where I left you half a week ago < 1427411476 53189 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think zsh gets us much further than bash does < 1427411481 980453 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ISTR? < 1427411482 443339 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: seems a popular pastime)) < 1427411491 835435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I seem to remember" < 1427411501 428422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"seems a popular pastime to leave you there half a week ago" < 1427411504 941936 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1427411508 605946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you seem to have forgotten... < 1427411508 937488 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fnord. went to the party), better healthcare, better everything." " ok, do _you_ grok dependent types are " low level" syntax case. < 1427411535 12002 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: #$%*($%) )%($* 384950 %($*#(), so you may have new words to say. < 1427411535 631056 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: conditions need not be duplicated at the beginning of the parameter names. at least it didn't earlier. ;-p < 1427411562 486406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fizzie retrain the irc model now? < 1427411572 15458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair it's frozen in time < 1427411616 627933 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a shell called cash < 1427411634 428017 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be proprietary < 1427411711 144795 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes < 1427411721 629628 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ISTR ISTR meaning "ISTR" < 1427411735 571887 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hth) < 1427411804 840692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427411815 572626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( MLoM - modulo loss of memory ) < 1427411823 627506 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Society of Technical Redactors < 1427411883 332171 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IICF < 1427411895 988266 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn < 1427412132 442941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imitate chatting fungots. < 1427412132 665832 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf8,16,32,64 funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain sceql udage01 unlambda < 1427412155 244756 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As used: "I think we should implement the new accounting software in MUMPS, IICF" < 1427412162 850016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why did it respond with a language list... < 1427412227 168817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427412252 142892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that ISTR has several meanings. < 1427412308 132968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt it basically always start "I seem to" < 1427412315 134143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fourth word can vary < 1427412341 117627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dictionary suggested "It Stands To Reason". < 1427412417 813404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with that dictionary < 1427412432 588543 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1427412480 642449 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR hearing "stands to reason" in a pratchett book. < 1427412526 700444 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know what it's actualy supposed to mean < 1427412535 944684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It Stands To Reason That" is more or less equivalent to "In My Opinion" < 1427412551 508276 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1427412595 194499 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though conceivably you could use it for opinions not your own. "One Might Argue That" is perhaps closer.) < 1427412638 392075 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can argue literally anything, so that's pretty meaningless < 1427412642 292158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "it stands to reason" sort-of implies "a sufficiently intelligent person could deduce that" < 1427412672 837453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, note the implied insult of your intelligence if you happen to disagree. < 1427412685 145662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess... s/insult of/insult to/ < 1427412768 754490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep, I think that's part of it < 1427413770 598293 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was "I seem to recall" (which is not very different to 'remember', though) < 1427413877 555736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite possible, I tend to use synonyms interchangeably < 1427413969 70291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there a special term for words that have an overlap in meaning, so they can be synonymous in some contexts but not in others? < 1427414035 313635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1427414048 827901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etymologically "synonym" should be that, I guess (with two words that /always/ mean the same thing "isonyms") < 1427414148 426010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. "Words can be synonymous when meant in certain senses, even if they are not synonymous in all of their senses."