< 1426982693 70045 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426983372 276945 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426983373 213838 :callforjudgement!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1426983373 214493 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426983381 843131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1426983383 402858 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1426983441 249518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1426983460 984817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426983596 917548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: pretty annoyed, I think. < 1426983620 960937 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rvewozmjxnuklfet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1426983687 102102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: should "querj" be "quearj"? < 1426983723 728099 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it should. < 1426983729 911756 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-klmfnlmcjhjzdzoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1426983756 727319 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chug'c quoug yu hyutiloj. < 1426983761 799142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, then I just don't understand the rule for some of the "i". < 1426983793 110040 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just stuck some "i"s in to make it more pronounceable. < 1426983825 24355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty. < 1426984350 894766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1426984367 850520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426984446 232912 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1426984446 240179 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426984592 752061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ockosyuurri yuh iea semgyumao ge nupo gikec ryupo gfug. < 1426984990 38921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't actually decipher it without foreknowledge, did you? < 1426984999 128154 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1426985139 635193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s = "FOI, OZUSGRI FEQU UMMEIOJ QUERJ OBOLIEMO VO YUH YU CIKEPO OMGYULORI YUM (U CRYUTFIGRI NEJYUHYUOJ BOLCYUEM EH) URYUOMOCO? YUG YUC YUMJOOJ CENO CELG EH CAVCIGYUGAGYUEM SYUHOL." in reverse $ sort $ map (\x -> (length x, head x)) $ group $ sort $ map (take 2) $ tails s < 1426985140 35918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(15,"YU"),(6," Y"),(5," C"),(4,"O "),(4,"J "),(3,"UM"),(3,"UH"),(3,"UE"),(3... < 1426985164 493719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :after I did that, things became much easier :P < 1426985598 284998 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1426985662 37817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: actually I still don't know where the code comes from; I find lots of Futurama references, but they only seem to be using a special font. < 1426986187 630486 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1426986418 17634 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's play cat replacer! fun for all the family < 1426986424 805617 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat twolines < 1426986425 984641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426986431 264207 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed '' twolines < 1426986434 463276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426986437 754225 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run awk 1 twolines < 1426986438 696867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426986480 374147 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ed -s twolines <<< ,p < 1426986481 485200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426986499 512100 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :your turn < 1426986563 163440 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426987121 167159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a departmental christmas party game built around that, I think. < 1426987136 88896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The twist was that after each thing, the commands used for that were removed from the system. < 1426987186 635890 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's fun < 1426987193 732407 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can play that for a while < 1426987210 933954 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tr a a < twolines < 1426987212 87879 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426987219 847473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the spam game more. < 1426987220 324449 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426987226 861104 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1426987236 506430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goal was to write an email that gets the highest score from SpamAssassin. < 1426987241 54837 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1426987294 397189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dd if=twolines status=none | tac | tac | sort < 1426987295 777449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd: invalid status flag: `none' \ Try `dd --help' for more information. < 1426987301 129211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sniff. < 1426987307 560180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dd if=twolines | tac | tac | sort < 1426987308 706280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0+1 records in \ 0+1 records out \ 13 bytes (13 B) copied, 0.000631 s, 20.6 kB/s \ first \ second < 1426987319 922071 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :status=none < 1426987383 270802 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't read the first one D: < 1426987396 200642 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's not gnu dd? < 1426987403 421085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dd --version < 1426987404 209471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd (coreutils) 8.13 \ Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Paul Rubin, David MacKenzie, and Stuart Kemp. < 1426987410 29990 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhhhh < 1426987411 358341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dated < 1426987414 598779 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1426987417 173540 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.13 < 1426987460 394346 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just use 2>/dev/null :P < 1426987538 963556 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1426987544 263814 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1426987572 610977 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426987597 611418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`m4 twolines < 1426987604 650638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426987630 7525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep s twolines < 1426987631 131324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426987648 194450 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1426987674 920368 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dcziqlhauudewnhv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1426987696 67936 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cut -f1- twolines < 1426987697 371785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426987726 957966 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426987792 169473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1426987796 156101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` less twolines < 1426987800 15059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426987815 190318 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426987832 693133 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ex -sc "1,$p|q" twolines < 1426987840 870923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which less < 1426987844 349068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426987844 625160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/less < 1426987866 375045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: less acts like cat if the output is not a terminal < 1426987868 107199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1426987868 289724 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426987898 272293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never tried running it that way, obviously
< 1426987915 493183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp twolines /dev/stdout < 1426987916 398842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426987935 532511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv twolines /dev/stdout < 1426987936 668267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: inter-device move failed: `twolines' to `/dev/stdout'; unable to remove target: Read-only file system < 1426987939 700338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1426987961 807238 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1426987965 421614 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1426987965 699399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :head and tail will also work (since the file is short) < 1426987968 449624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a detailed error message < 1426987996 231820 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1426987998 485322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv twolines /dev/fnord < 1426987999 535677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: inter-device move failed: `twolines' to `/dev/fnord'; unable to remove target: Read-only file system < 1426988010 268289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /dev/fnord < 1426988012 497814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /dev/fnord: No such file or directory < 1426988038 601121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not very precise that last message < 1426988064 30903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` pwd < 1426988064 896350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1426988081 21613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv twolines /hackenv/twolines < 1426988081 984270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: `twolines' and `/hackenv/twolines' are the same file < 1426988084 321801 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1426988138 587843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while read f ; do printf "%s\n" $f; done < twolines < 1426988139 738925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how it gets to give "unable to remove target" when the target doesn't exist, given that it has to check whether they're the same file before it can try the removal. < 1426988139 751345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426988182 639605 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426988182 860407 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1426988196 109919 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mapfile < twolines; printf %s "${MAPFILE[@]}" < 1426988196 860746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426988222 327514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mapfile --help < 1426988223 273449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mapfile: not found < 1426988231 374205 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bash builtin < 1426988235 103638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1426988237 542247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help mapfile < 1426988238 51359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1426988244 321207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` help mapfile < 1426988246 746324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapfile: mapfile [-n count] [-O origin] [-s count] [-t] [-u fd] [-C callback] [-c quantum] [array] \ Read lines from the standard input into an indexed array variable. \ \ Read lines from the standard input into the indexed array variable ARRAY, or \ from file descriptor FD if the -u option is supplied. The variable MAPFILE \ < 1426988250 936418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lynx -source twolines 2>/dev/null < 1426988255 927744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1426988268 979033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me :P < 1426988279 489671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lynx -source twolines < 1426988280 568227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ Configuration file "/etc/lynx-cur/lynx.cfg" is not available. < 1426988316 991477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -pe '' twolines < 1426988318 50176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426988321 984527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you having a "write cat" competition < 1426988327 38124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lynx -cfg=/dev/null -source twolines < 1426988328 186586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ Lynx file "/etc/lynx-cur/lynx.lss" is not available. < 1426988333 6474 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yess :D < 1426988372 358725 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-klmfnlmcjhjzdzoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1426988519 785738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is _so_ messing up my obsessive logreading order < 1426988572 16790 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426988586 291472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pod2text --code twolines < 1426988593 754033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426988607 866930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn you did both sed and perl already < 1426988617 117202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose those were too easy < 1426988626 579362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`strings twolines < 1426988627 619576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426988665 659043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: how do you know about all these obscure bash things < 1426988670 915396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is mostly looking for things that act like cat on the specific given input, but aren't.
< 1426988675 88725 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in #bash < 1426988683 256496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1426988689 240068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't you just denying being a nerd earlier :p < 1426988715 878779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lainerd < 1426988732 150805 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 37% nerd, ok < 1426988740 726600 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a nerd-o-meter < 1426988755 895618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that very fact makes you 100% nerd < 1426988766 626199 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1426988775 752360 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i had a non-nerd-o-meter? < 1426988784 581864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which recode < 1426988785 729235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1426988796 51768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which dos2unix < 1426988797 228948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1426988803 193789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo ',[.,]') < twolines # except if you start this way, there's going to be no end < 1426988804 186105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426988811 289556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything involving having meters that in some way correlate to your nerdiness is inherently nerdy < 1426988818 251027 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1426988829 906605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't work for files with nul bytes! < 1426988834 807141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cpp -o /dev/output twolines < 1426988836 136738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc1: fatal error: opening output file /dev/output: Read-only file system \ compilation terminated. < 1426988842 794723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1426988849 574417 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pr twolines < 1426988851 95591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ \ 2015-03-22 01:07 twolines Page 1 \ \ \ first \ second < 1426988856 98455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cpp -o - twolines < 1426988857 292369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​# 1 "twolines" \ # 1 "" \ # 1 "twolines" \ first \ second < 1426988864 113091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not that :P < 1426988877 920562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1426988890 532277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426988932 234564 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf twolines < 1426988933 7127 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second \ first < 1426988934 778886 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf twolines < 1426988935 586988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second \ first < 1426988938 6708 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf twolines < 1426988938 843477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426988941 150490 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1426989007 262651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ooh ooh < 1426989011 720885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you set shuf's seed < 1426989020 215595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : --random-source=FILE < 1426989020 270935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : get random bytes from FILE < 1426989021 334327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss < 1426989037 799301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have to craft a file that makes it output files in order < 1426989039 718379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` xargs -n1 /tmp/tmp.bf && interps/befunge/bef.bin /tmp/tmp.bf < twolines < 1426989211 37034 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426989230 862896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` { nc -q1 -l -p 12345 < twolines > /dev/null & }; sleep 1; nc 127.0.0.1 12345 < /dev/null < 1426989231 360634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426989238 537871 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1426989268 918457 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` nl twolines | cut -f2- < 1426989270 181513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426989276 800557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run socat STDIN STDOUT < twolines < 1426989278 346162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426989302 718082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thanks to nc for inspiration.) < 1426989312 324356 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426989424 386244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all disgusting < 1426989430 437516 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gzip -c twolines | zcat < 1426989432 56317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426989435 566884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426989447 178897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426989447 270083 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426989641 208915 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426989645 894436 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426989656 212660 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1426989703 941211 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426989719 622205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rev _> < 1426989948 492660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bzip2 -c twolines | bzcat # in the spirit of trivial variations < 1426989949 556924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426990022 658296 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` whicg xz lzma < 1426990023 550612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: whicg: command not found < 1426990027 264630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which xz lzma < 1426990030 256730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/xz \ /usr/bin/lzma < 1426990138 532365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rot13 < 1426990139 492088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < 1426990146 684516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rot13 twolines | rot13 < 1426990147 943354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twolines < 1426990172 813606 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rot13 < twolines | rot13 < 1426990174 447845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426990191 201833 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this counts for you :P < 1426990223 289521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` first() { echo first; }; second() { echo second; }; source twolines < 1426990224 164715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1426990234 782204 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1426990251 557141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i guess that's perfection < 1426990270 555258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, close. < 1426990294 259755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're approaching a narcissist variant < 1426990312 133931 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1426990329 620543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the destructive variant: true > twolines < 1426990338 144118 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426990347 911046 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless use of true :P < 1426990384 742197 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it is < 1426990388 993818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like useless use of cat :( < 1426990395 688672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < twolines < 1426990396 941605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1426990400 773124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :< twolines works in zsh < 1426990404 84831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1426990405 162112 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1426990416 337777 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh is way cool with its MULTIOS system < 1426990417 924756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that $(< foo) works < 1426990426 143291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that. < 1426990478 757181 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I got my domain name corrected < 1426990505 384424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that took a while < 1426990548 248699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your shell knowledge scares me < 1426990568 979342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multios sounds like some ancient precursor to multics < 1426990581 444427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Ghost in a shell. ) < 1426990609 281955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>* is a good zsh program to ruin everything in your cwd < 1426990621 468465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pointy smiley with an evil goatee < 1426990621 722882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>* < 1426990632 445443 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1426990641 699542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shell does not sound cat-proof < 1426990657 574646 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it did take a while because they did not have time to fix it before, but now they did. < 1426990717 143343 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1426990718 539902 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1426990744 681788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how ghosty of you < 1426990764 514691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1426990765 512293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] < 1426990800 921912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there were any message characters at all < 1426990830 196957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(irssi/putty seemed to think the line stopped there) < 1426990835 563540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1426990850 491718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh scratch that < 1426990862 634431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to keep track of trailing spaces < 1426990929 317465 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426990934 19975 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was just my terminal freaking out on me. < 1426990936 290574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC does not really support empty messages. < 1426990951 564233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1426991056 345626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot remember the irssi command to make a raw irc command (it's _not_ /raw)
< 1426991057 545804 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you try to send empty message you will get a 412 error message. < 1426991067 412203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1426991071 38427 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can add spaces and then it will work < 1426991160 944623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it was /quote < 1426991204 510444 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in IRC client I am using it is /RAW to send raw data to the remote host, although I have never needed it and is probably unnecessary; it does absolutely no processing on the data if doing this and doesn't even add CRLF (you must add that by yourself) < 1426991224 965015 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1426991273 664225 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing a \n will be hard < 1426991306 425271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1426991324 834310 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in the client I use, you can push CTRL+P before any character to insert that character raw into the input buffer, so you can do it that way < 1426991336 274426 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server will interpret it < 1426991392 449482 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once it is sent it will, yes < 1426991424 633336 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah writing \n may be easy but receiving it is not < 1426991445 526531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall irssi used to have a /quote version that didn't append \r\n but i cannot find it again < 1426991481 192660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i managed to ping out because of it before i realized it wasn't the useful command < 1426991483 803767 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1426991505 440745 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also if the raw data contains a space, you will need to put a colon in front, because the client interprets the commands in the same way of the server interpreting commands.) < 1426991508 267354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably the text got prepended to the following PONG < 1426991509 648283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1426991523 799255 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426991536 71298 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I would suppose that's why it does that < 1426991568 76720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"CATATONIC CHICKEN" < 1426991568 77460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1426991623 238322 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I have never needed /RAW because the default processing of commands in this client works good enough < 1426991718 703155 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purposes of /RAW are things that never seem necessary, but are: Sending commands in lowercase, sending commands that start with a slash or space, prevent automatically changing the channel, and send other control characters that the server might use but aren't IRC commands (this probably never happens, but just in case) < 1426991738 914046 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, sending mispaired CR/LF for testing purposes < 1426991804 645300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sending nonstandard commands (I have aliases NS = QUOTE NICKSERV and CS = QUOTE CHANSERV) < 1426991806 15609 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I don't know if anyone has ever needed such a thing at all. < 1426991819 829730 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: No it isn't needed for the client I am using. < 1426991881 576790 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the IRC server already supports NS and CS commands directly. < 1426991914 687757 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you type "NS INFO" then you can see the information of your account. < 1426991983 497166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not using your client < 1426992022 662650 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although, the IRC server already can use NS and CS commands < 1426992027 3819 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, Freenode can. < 1426992038 64073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and irssi doesn't have its own builtin commands for ns/nickserv or cs/chanserv. < 1426992057 133834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NICKSERV and NS are aliases on the server side) < 1426992087 668249 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't irssi send unknown commands as raw? < 1426992093 319021 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so the server already supports it; the client doesn't need its own builtin commands for such things < 1426992305 978441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426992311 140543 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426992314 971614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but in *this* client, /quote is how you issue server side commands that the client doesn't support directly. < 1426992364 855203 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the client doesn't need it builtin if it has such thing as that too < 1426992398 903597 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways NS and CS isn't a standard IRC command, but some IRC servers do add extra commands on for various reasons and it is sometimes useful to have. < 1426992548 551799 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as my own IRC adds a FLUSH command to cause it to flush the file buffer to output to the log files of the specified channel. Many add NS and CS, and some have additional services too. There is also a standard SUMMON command although as far as I know, nobody except me implements it. < 1426992716 794306 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426992765 880421 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1426992766 232330 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426992775 650537 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't log < 1426992779 207860 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1426992832 48461 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Private messages aren't logged; only permanent channels are logged, and the log files are public. < 1426992842 199871 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's creepy < 1426992862 561847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: say hello to clog and glogbot < 1426992867 243684 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426992870 97488 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello clog and glogbot < 1426992871 225583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION _only_ logs private messages, mostly because #esoteric is already publically logged
< 1426992896 762201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're the bots feeding the two public logs in the topic) < 1426992901 653975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it sounds like you and zzo38 together log all messages < 1426992902 523142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: (this channel is logged >_>) < 1426992903 151940 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to log private message you send and receive, for your own purpose, is OK < 1426992906 393732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google indexes the logs < 1426992914 721957 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1426992924 454322 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :having server-wide logs is creepy < 1426992926 273941 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, in my case I am logging all public messages to permanent channels in public. < 1426992952 417482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh server-wide < 1426992970 416945 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still I don't (and don't want to) log private messages. < 1426992991 324150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if we only were logging the same server < 1426993024 173240 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can still seend a message to another client directly without being logged (I won't see the message either, unless I am the recipient). < 1426993090 625613 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In such case you can still get logged by the sender and/or receiver of the message, but not by any other clients nor by the server.) < 1426993165 805058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRCnet ircd still supports SUMMON, though it's not enabled by default, or in the IRCnet servers. < 1426993206 830433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does the write(1)-style of thing of writing to the specified user's tty.) < 1426993230 86068 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the ircd have perms to write to a tty? < 1426993236 41707 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have to be on the local system? < 1426993237 513579 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1426993244 195326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the user has to be on the same system as the ircd < 1426993257 397358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that's how it has always worked. < 1426993289 362408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not very useful for most modern uses of IRC, then < 1426993302 515329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The SUMMON command can be used to give users who are on a host running an IRC server a message asking them to please join IRC. This message is only sent if the target server (a) has SUMMON enabled, (b) the user is logged in and (c) the server process can write to the user's tty (or similar)." < 1426993309 137586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's very much of a relic. < 1426993328 831869 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc servers can write to the user's tty. take this, facebook chat < 1426993411 403213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving them the proper sgid settings is also not part of the standard install, you have to manually arrange for that too. < 1426993416 735679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also requires IRC username to match UNIX username < 1426993422 252691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, IRC nick < 1426993426 884973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm < 1426993431 671753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could SUMMON by username anyway < 1426993447 325643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you give it a username. < 1426993477 754647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But IRCnet is all dedicated servers, so it wouldn't be very useful. < 1426993521 394960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You don't have to be on the same server, you can "SUMMON user some.other.server" too.) < 1426993601 52270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a relic: write(1). I wouldn't be surprised if these days it's major use was to be a mild annoyance at people who are trying to look at the man page for write(3) but neglect to specify the section. < 1426994017 437976 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :man proc < 1426994024 43113 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck not again this stupid tcl man page < 1426994026 577398 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :man 5 proc < 1426994147 58868 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my own computer I use sounds to implement SUMMON, although when working on UNIX systems I do tend to tell them that they can just write to my tty or I can write to their tty, although the other people tend to prefer otherwise < 1426994231 684057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 6 virtual terminals open right now < 1426994238 445469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people writing to them wouldn't know which one I wanted them to write to < 1426994245 248167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm currently not looking at any of them) < 1426994281 223496 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones are you logged into though? < 1426994303 363615 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them or only some? < 1426994303 415426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're running with my perms < 1426994314 85248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have another 6 running from getty but I'm not logged into any of those < 1426994332 181179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I used one earlier to kill a process that was causing swapping) < 1426994334 611546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this makes me want networked wall < 1426994341 370517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that was literally what that XP thing was < 1426994348 574717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when you could pop up an alert box for anyone just by knowing their IP < 1426994355 618951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how microsoft released an operating system with that feature?? < 1426994360 172866 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426994408 423861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when they released Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, yes. < 1426994408 462168 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the other method is if you have a IRC server then SUMMON can be used, and then can be implemented according to how it is wanted to implemented. < 1426994429 252739 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feature" < 1426994453 910520 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use the message send protocol < 1426994545 843909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you wouldn't even have to know their IP, sending to every IPv4 address in the address space is within the reach of modern computers/connectinos < 1426994549 964583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*connections < 1426994559 300648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that involves knowing their IP though < 1426994565 951029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that is a method of finding their IP < 1426994571 97864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is an epistemological objection < 1426994580 606588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still wouldn't know what their IP was even after the message had been sent < 1426994590 592171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, okay < 1426994595 627807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you would know their IP < 1426994597 531655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not that it's theirs. < 1426994604 995130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1426994619 57643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same way everyone knows all the IPs? < 1426994619 529403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let's stop this conversation right here before we get deep into semiotics < 1426994620 881029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I agree with your semantics there < 1426994624 130941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right. < 1426994636 199541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't "know" all the IPv6s in a concrete sense. okay, this is incoherent < 1426994648 165271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because there are too many of them? < 1426994700 944764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1426994715 682579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have an action to be performed on an IPv4 address < 1426994717 251424 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1426994718 36011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even 4 billion is a big number < 1426994724 542070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we want that action to be performed on the address owned by a certain person < 1426994730 145115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can accomplish this < 1426994732 915510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1426994735 361876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, depending on what the action is < 1426994736 320844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 3714444 is a big number (which is the number of tests my NH4 testsuite wants to run) < 1426994744 428160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 3714444 < 1426994747 43508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3714444: 2 2 3 3 3 163 211 < 1426994751 199671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"come to know whether or not the address belongs to a pre-specified person" is not a valid action < 1426994754 187737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hard! < 1426994765 506516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's a write-only action < 1426994780 89025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is that we can't do the same for IPv6, because brute force isn't a viable strategy there; you need more information. < 1426994790 202505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right. IPv4 -> (), in a sense. < 1426994809 333629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, even, IPv4 -> only things derivable from communicating with that address. oh, god, somebody stop me < 1426994814 639581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense that allows some sort of side effect < 1426994831 762316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1426994838 773337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a couple of days ago I met an F# fan < 1426994849 938860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they weren't talking about F#, so it wasn't very informative in that respect < 1426994981 180477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is that Windows XP SP0 wouldn't have had as huge a spam problem if we had moved to IPv6-only before then < 1426994988 950021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw whatever conclusions you wish < 1426995250 989216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new technologies tend to be widely deployed before people think about their security implications < 1426995369 467926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, but I actually said draw, not type < 1426995375 551753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do that again but as an image < 1426995401 980597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just take a screenshot? < 1426995618 501204 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426995800 233790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think an interpretive dance would be better hth < 1426995818 331170 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-62.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1426995849 395259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: careful you might evoke the wrath of edwardk hth < 1426995873 918493 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1426995950 166604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sorry i wasn't aware that edwardk hated interpretive dance < 1426996009 196397 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1426996196 846032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAJBuGwQEHg < 1426996230 765383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426996233 805905 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426996247 14101 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1426996601 807188 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426996604 346804 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426996843 422748 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1426996890 949583 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426997180 419587 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-Zip can support many file formats, but I want to add also support of Hamster archive (without autodetection). I have successfully used 7-Zip to load .lzh files and .dmg files, as well as .rar files. (Probably hamarc is a better program to deal with Hamster archives, but still it can be useful to support many format in case someone has 7-Zip and try to load it) < 1426997224 801703 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426997613 183974 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1426997801 88953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, speaking of NH. < 1426997817 509062 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1426997831 943828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the tube, there was a charity ad for something called the "Orbis Flying Eye Hospital". < 1426997835 768384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I parsed it wrong. < 1426997846 54204 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426997879 996887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although flying isn't quite floating.) < 1426997894 331866 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1426997933 294565 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1426997948 986388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil Eye Hospital < 1426998273 929667 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1426998347 642714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426998352 958692 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426998364 980341 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1426998445 220206 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1426998566 135237 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426998587 313612 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426998601 716302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1426998602 992439 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1426998756 210068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1426998769 85930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1426998919 311020 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1426999068 26819 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/The_Original_Advertisement.jpg < 1426999698 303397 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see github's unicorn? < 1426999910 757966 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/9ILmkTW.png here it is < 1426999959 553321 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that d. shaw's user icon? < 1426999976 400480 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zed shaw < 1426999977 399860 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, i've seen it today for the first time < 1426999978 617277 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone < 1426999993 391276 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some person in the same group as zed shaw who uses that pic on twitter < 1427000043 418733 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used it during their downtime today < 1427000054 963670 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, yesterday < 1427000079 93014 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was that unicorn in specific < 1427000089 546139 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1427000180 863124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the corn isn't unique < 1427000931 450409 :password2_!~password@197.76.135.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427000941 860398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to diminish his grief, but has anyone other than b_jonas heard about that Matoušek guy before < 1427001079 661629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nadinepi 5* 10New user account < 1427001117 110324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bets on whether or not that's a spambot account? < 1427001133 123439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort-of looks like it could be, but "pi" is a bit shorter than their normal surnames < 1427001146 156869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nadine < 1427001160 305037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i initially parsed it as 4 random cv syllables < 1427001178 441163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something a spambot might also do < 1427001210 183680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, consonant vowel < 1427001212 909055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't hit the abuse log yet < 1427001220 437219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you will be sorry when she posts her magnificent circular language < 1427001240 389704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly elated, it's that magnificent < 1427001264 473130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ME AM PLAY LINGUIST < 1427001270 949011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a circular language? < 1427001287 212897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i dunno but anyone named pi surely knows how to make one < 1427001302 577706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You reminded me of elementary school English class, where they taught us that you double the second consonant in the "-ing" form of a word when you have a word of the form CVC < 1427001308 791277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, run->running < 1427001331 746784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if this rule is legitimate. It surely has exceptions, and at least this differs between US and UK English. < 1427001353 351793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I probably haven't thought about the c/v thing since then. < 1427001373 898757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the normal rule is that you have to double the consonant if it'd affect the pronunciation of the last vowel in the word < 1427001375 301537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been rereading the language construction kit recently < 1427001379 655427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "runing" would have a long "u" < 1427001386 995242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i runïng < 1427001387 988470 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427001399 125567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't like that class very much. < 1427001415 7622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do for e.g. "cancel"? < 1427001415 309489 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427001416 632908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you forgot the hth how can edwardk bot impersonate you if you keep changing < 1427001419 760979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "travel"? < 1427001421 914586 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancelling < 1427001442 8460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where did you hear about that twh < 1427001504 619405 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :travelling, sinning, fapping... but it doesn't work for eating or jumping < 1427001525 537010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What do you do for e.g. "cancel"? <-- develop a US/UK split, imo < 1427001607 919713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "cancelling", "travelling" in UK english < 1427001642 982251 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadian english tends to be halfway between the two < 1427001723 451266 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so p, n, and l tend to double while t and d don't < 1427001746 519058 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, adding does < 1427001778 756168 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw it english has no damn rules < 1427001786 398877 :rodgort`!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric < 1427001863 132303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: "add" has two d's already < 1427001863 723960 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH. it's sort of phonetc < 1427001864 137349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1427001873 554913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427001897 733457 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, rapping has a short vowel while raping has a long vowel < 1427001906 555913 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1427001906 983275 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1427001907 28235 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427001946 295391 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if the word has a long vowel like eat, there is no double. < 1427001988 686539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ear -> earring < 1427002016 237334 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider hearing versus herring < 1427002070 587638 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bite biting, blit blitting < 1427002089 821564 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit my world is changed] < 1427002145 215970 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf that is a compund word though. ear ring < 1427002202 343294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be earring from my lawyer < 1427002208 334111 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why cupboard isn't cubberd < 1427002277 662317 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone is runing they are clearly carving runes < 1427002452 121385 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway to me "Nadinepi" looks like "na-di-ne-pi" < 1427002497 683464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: where did you hear about that twh <-- check the logs hth < 1427002516 907506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a quick search with /last didn't find it hth < 1427002589 69248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i only kept logs < 1427002623 759448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: 20:32 one of these days i'll write a shachaf bot that takes random text and puts hth on the end and i,i at the start at random intervals throughout < 1427002632 587895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh < 1427002634 602250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK I'VE FOUND THE CULPRIT HTH < 1427002671 773118 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is i,i? < 1427002675 815239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoerjan < 1427002683 535726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works better if you pronounce j like jack < 1427002697 871919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hth < 1427002724 531902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jack pronounces j like y, though < 1427002740 528860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway to me "Nadinepi" looks like "na-di-ne-pi" <-- that's equivalent to what i said hth < 1427002911 798738 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar -xvzf songs.tgz < 1427002917 326043 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1427003000 721210 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd claims tar commands are hard to remember but i know them well < 1427003089 291038 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't like is that I don't know how to run ssh and scp in the same terminal < 1427003170 484519 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I am using tar I just use pipes with tar though < 1427003387 437690 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there a way to tar at this end and make a pipe to the other computer? < 1427003404 674860 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run tar -x at the other end < 1427003464 915285 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can use netcat < 1427003561 523281 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427003569 36765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1427003569 285912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 220520Z 16005KT 130V200 9999 -SN FEW013 BKN032 M00/M03 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 19015KT < 1427003587 391981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THERE SNOW OUTSIDE < 1427003616 236672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok it's melting, but still...) < 1427003623 195117 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in scandinavia in march hth < 1427003661 543112 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is snow outside here too < 1427003716 554534 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1427003717 192762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 220500Z 30016KT 15SM FEW030 M06/M14 A3014 RMK SC1 SC TR SLP215 < 1427003755 759120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky bragging canadians < 1427003800 585403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC < 1427003800 870291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 220553Z 29005KT 10SM BKN200 14/10 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP207 T01440100 10222 20144 51013 < 1427003843 449632 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427003847 790354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky bragging californians < 1427003925 298348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LLBG < 1427003925 561072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLBG 220550Z 27012KT 9999 FEW040 16/06 Q1019 NOSIG < 1427004165 946077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky bragging californian jews < 1427004216 286941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1427004239 243513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't sure whether to leave in the californian < 1427004288 481534 :password2_!~password@197.76.135.52 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427004706 400935 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ceekars-4d-headphones-for-vr-games-movies-music why is this a thing < 1427004717 895134 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should not be a thing, this should be done in software afaik < 1427004762 952987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this and xkcd we deduce that it will become immensely popular < 1427004764 490891 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ears have two channels... why does any douns system have more than two channels < 1427004795 925705 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell did I spell sound that badly < 1427004853 885366 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: well, in theaters, it's hard to make ear A not hear what is intended for ear B < 1427004860 604968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it makes sense in a room with several listeners but not in headphones i think < 1427004905 357804 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that would suggest you should only have one channel < 1427004935 565095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION carefully moves away
< 1427005096 451505 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427005097 746551 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you suggesting the four channels use synced waves to cancel out the left channel at the right ear and cancel the right channel at the left ear? < 1427005216 432951 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. I guess I'm imaging several surrounding channels used to fake positions poorly, as an imitation of what can be done with true 2 channel audio < 1427005253 870946 :password2_!~password@197.76.129.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427005262 635887 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... yeah that might work. I'm glad I own earbuds though. < 1427005298 312075 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427005309 670855 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theatres should put headphone jacks on the seats like on an airplane < 1427005365 504498 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagining < 1427005371 900807 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that word look so weird < 1427005420 875957 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the word imagine breaks the "e makes vowels long" rule < 1427005448 418113 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginning < 1427005500 507654 :password2_!~password@197.76.129.67 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427005523 2529 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1427005624 787636 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.95.158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427005800 488838 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, what is up with the word poor? sometimes when I say it it rhymes with door, and sometimes with boor. < 1427005875 136767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea how boor is pronounced
< 1427005885 381349 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lure < 1427005895 401585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okau < 1427005896 301898 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a /u/ < 1427006095 195105 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427006166 200598 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. go to this page and click on the play buttons to annoy people < 1427006169 642152 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_vowel_chart_with_audio < 1427006284 487926 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "dude, wtf" "AAHH UUHH OOHH EEE" "come on, stop it!" "AYYY OOUU AWWW" < 1427006443 119064 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427006511 971424 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427006541 974919 :password2_!~password@197.76.132.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427006742 41767 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1427008367 866762 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: are you singing system of a down songs? < 1427008460 532046 :password2_!~password@197.76.132.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427009280 130980 :password2_!~password@197.76.134.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427011027 103966 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427011132 59680 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1427011334 493644 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427011614 343937 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1427011639 949695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version < 1427011639 950822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 5.0 < 1427011639 950883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone git://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot.git < 1427011669 698989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (a,g) = System.Random.random (System.Random.mkStdGen 4) in a :: Int < 1427011671 166003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (System.Random.Random t0) < 1427011671 166681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘g’ < 1427011671 166736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous < 1427011695 856681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most ridiculous failure of type inference ever? < 1427012109 665095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t System.Random.random < 1427012110 408607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Random a, RandomGen g) => g -> (a, g) < 1427012120 126600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and < 1427012126 865914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (a,_) = System.Random.random (System.Random.mkStdGen 4) in a :: Int < 1427012128 189126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -258552320774346181 < 1427012147 235529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't believe the type of System.Random.random has any implication that the types of a and g are in any way connected < 1427012162 366717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains both the results you show there < 1427012185 308564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that g is _clearly_ of type StdGen in both cases < 1427012224 172738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of _that_ is not polymorphic at all. so why does whether it is named or not affect whether the rest types? < 1427012260 593740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1427012271 134414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does affect what the _value_ of g is. < 1427012295 184831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a's type) < 1427012352 409249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was an SO question btw) < 1427012391 462303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Haskell's types aren't meta-polymorphic, in that if you have a variable of type g, that determines whether it's also of type h for any type h < 1427012407 818878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1427012483 326044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, say in Java < 1427012494 652742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have a function that I know outputs a value of type JComponent < 1427012504 529905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't let me determine whether the output is, say, of type JFrame < 1427012519 148637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, in Haskell, if a function outputs a StdGen, I know it's a StdGen and nothinge lse < 1427012621 545816 :password2_!~password@197.76.134.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427012888 604565 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427013459 147003 :password2_!~password@197.76.132.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427014486 333468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I dunno, but people keep asking questions about computational geometry on irc and other forums, and these questions are getting more and more relevant these days just like how machine vision is getting more relevant, so I think it can't hurt if at least the mathematically inclined people hear about him. < 1427014508 848403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1427014675 129420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sure, you can use ssh somecomputer tar cC somedir . | tar xv < 1427014706 167885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but be careful because the shell will reinterpret that command on the other machine, so you have to quote some characters two or three levels < 1427015213 873053 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1427015682 186662 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427016021 607642 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427016203 96728 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427016226 804501 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427016876 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:callforjudgement < 1427021455 901681 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427021457 411550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1427021462 20111 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427021676 507379 :password2_!~password@197.76.139.21 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427021761 72159 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1427022558 435726 :password2_!~password@197.76.143.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427023609 596051 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427023626 399055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1427023628 545620 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427024614 238497 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427025380 763000 :password2_!~password@197.76.143.202 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427025482 698628 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427025647 46889 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cnrzukeazbxwpptx JOIN :#esoteric < 1427025897 264148 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1427025937 780391 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427026162 822263 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427026167 137754 :password2_!~password@197.76.137.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427027528 210282 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1427027866 824177 :password2_!~password@197.76.137.122 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427028342 113728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Re the CVC + double-consonant + -ing theory, mix -> mixxing? < 1427028381 972269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, bow -> bowwing. < 1427028433 828832 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1427028644 492287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in general with 'w' in the end. (paw, row, saw, sew, tow.) < 1427028710 905279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ditto for x.) < 1427028784 526676 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1427028847 19387 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427028892 501644 :password2!~password@197.76.133.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427029128 580074 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 242 seconds < 1427029918 693016 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427030568 512929 :password2!~password@197.76.133.196 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427031083 934158 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427031111 637031 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427031113 628420 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427031613 695792 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427031653 908027 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427031654 179582 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1427032770 85667 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1427033164 5016 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427033252 745367 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1427033263 463844 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1427034260 186152 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427034354 789223 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427034359 702525 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1427035825 152034 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cnrzukeazbxwpptx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1427036173 398566 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427036567 608022 :Jumbo!~Jumbo@103.16.69.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427036637 754780 :Jumbo!~Jumbo@103.16.69.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1427036901 298948 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1427036981 89242 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumbhello! < 1427037217 837758 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes < 1427037253 540543 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no problem. always at people's service. < 1427037259 205769 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Jumbo < 1427037260 877445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Jumbo: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.) < 1427037263 156268 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks boily < 1427037264 39768 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, boily. Thoily. < 1427037285 44973 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is django that python CGI thing? < 1427037300 259154 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner, helloren. < 1427037300 267342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you broke the streak < 1427037310 501944 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know. < 1427037312 375279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner being in all the django quotes was hilarious < 1427037319 502382 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427037332 752980 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's (probably) the most popularest python web framework. < 1427037347 233099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you should do Python websites with twisted < 1427037367 793509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1427037372 432262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be less appropriate < 1427037376 765791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numpy? that's arguably more appropriate though < 1427037380 186159 :Jumbo!~Jumbo@103.16.69.19 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427037387 85136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as less likely to be used by mistake < 1427037391 67512 :Jumbo!~Jumbo@103.16.69.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427037393 670192 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I've never used django, but have done things with twisted < 1427037404 32317 :Jumbo!~Jumbo@103.16.69.19 PART :#esoteric < 1427037410 993209 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only really familiar with PHP/zend, PHP/codeigniter and Perl/abomination written by dad < 1427037419 779685 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did stuff with django. it was interesting, but I prefer pyramid < 1427037423 668967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've "used" twisted in the sense of working from existing code without understanding it < 1427037425 315489 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(twisted is just abhorrent.) < 1427037433 518127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just copying lines of code and experimenting until things worked < 1427037442 46134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, statistically speaking < 1427037449 349522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely to be the worst code I've written in the past 5 years or so < 1427037466 748605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I never said this rule was reliable. I think I found it suspicious even then in 3rd grade or whenever it was when I hardly spoke any English. < 1427037481 322755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any reliable rules in English? < 1427037491 551216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"single letters pluralize with apostrophe-s" perhaps < 1427037498 987213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one has to be taught because it's so different from everything else < 1427037502 473344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Some people might argue that x really stands for ks in this case, and that w isn't quite a consonant since it sort of forms a diphthong. < 1427037507 952807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no idea. < 1427037507 954354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only affects 26 words, so… < 1427037508 108568 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427037525 798624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't pluralize with apostrophes, in general. < 1427037527 661337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w is a vowel in Welsh < 1427037531 816431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nobody does in almost any case < 1427037534 744439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the letters are weird < 1427037540 677237 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was taught to use names for letters < 1427037543 229330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it would be ambiguous I quote with an apostrophe in on both sides, as in "'a's". < 1427037546 819623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably because 'a' to 'as', 'i' to 'i's just doesn't work) < 1427037557 858418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 'i' to 'is' < 1427037562 21619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in // < 1427037570 155671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apostrophe both sides could work, I guess < 1427037576 707983 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aes bees cees dees ees efs gees < 1427037577 703139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ofc, the plural of "I" is actually "we") < 1427037610 931381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i s/i,i/we/ < 1427037627 958902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAELI: you start with a sequence of letters of your choice, then you can only apply standard English tense formation rules to it < 1427037634 515687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, pluralizing, noun→verb, and so on < 1427037637 461452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a tight loop < 1427037642 89497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\Sigma_{i \in we} ... < 1427037647 777825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether this can be TC rather depends on how absurd the rules are < 1427037661 54145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: \Sigma_{i \in us}, surely? < 1427037674 662472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be me in us? < 1427037683 815771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I guess so, yes < 1427037689 348704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just used to the use of i as a loop variable < 1427037699 866326 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also H's is supposed to be "aitches". < 1427037721 369266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cat's are out of the bag < 1427037732 297128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, given the context < 1427037741 55018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I interpreted "cat's" as the pluralization of the UNIX command cat < 1427037746 17175 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did too < 1427037770 499584 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427037778 505704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the plural of the animal is "cats", and because "cat" the command can sensibly be written in tt-font, and the single letters are sensibly interpreted as tt-font too) < 1427037819 939619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using a different font you don't need to disambiguate. < 1427037836 435070 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is biguated by context < 1427037872 802586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what principle are you removing the "am-" prefix on? < 1427037893 750722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like "co-" or "un-" which in #esoteric prefix can be cancelled on another "co-" or "un-" respectively < 1427037902 315953 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hydrous anhydrous < 1427037916 518214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an- not am- < 1427037928 417207 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427037930 602548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there aren't any prefix-changing prefixes involved < 1427037944 86965 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.92 NICK :AndoDaan < 1427037962 698081 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the N undergoes a labialization to M because of the B < 1427037980 296526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not used to "anb" to "amb" but I can believe it < 1427037992 936721 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambassador < 1427038033 241134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I'm not convinced that that ever had an an- prefix < 1427038045 523820 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not aware of any words with "nb" cluster anyway < 1427038068 818190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have to be lots, surely < 1427038072 656803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION greps /usr/share/dict/words
< 1427038100 852858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, loads < 1427038115 582310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "unbreakable" < 1427038120 32234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't say "umbreakable" < 1427038143 648678 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you umbreak? < 1427038143 769924 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ah...... use what you like < 1427038153 910530 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thanks! umbreakable it is, then! < 1427038154 155155 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yay. no more than any other oo system i've seen outperform sisc reliably by more than an order of magnitude < 1427038192 35508 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm having trouble distinctly saying unbreakable without it being un *glottal stop* breakable < 1427038225 226605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 61 "unb-" words, 15 "umb-" words < 1427038249 700408 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427038249 983646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "umb-" words are things like "umbrella" where the root seems to contain the m and b together < 1427038279 85319 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. example symbiosis < 1427038294 741343 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with syn + biosis < 1427038296 43368 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427038308 795731 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1427038308 957338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'll buy that < 1427038333 857274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the question whether when "n" is turned to the labiodental nasal [M] in eg. "information", it should be transcribed as "n" or "m". < 1427038350 351074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, when it turns to "m" like in "embiggen", it's usually written as "m". < 1427038373 366155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the first "n" in "information" is definitely pronounced as an "n" for me < 1427038399 207667 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I pronounce it as a labiodental nasal, that is, at the same place of articulation as the [f]: with the lower lips and upper teeth < 1427038403 761432 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :symphony is the canonical labiodental example. < 1427038403 817753 :S1!~S1@p4FF92031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1427038410 27592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I definitely don't < 1427038414 175376 :S1!~S1@p4FF92031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1427038417 172177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, *b_jonas: < 1427038417 224326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether that is more similar to "n" or "m". < 1427038418 155212 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wikipedia does. < 1427038431 410702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on accent a lot < 1427038442 517682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hmm < 1427038451 398625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but is that a modified "n" etymologycally? < 1427038455 389284 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um.. i'mma say it should be written as whichever it is in source language < 1427038461 491174 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1427038464 251870 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: perhaps. < 1427038482 441880 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syn phony < 1427038488 767757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that applies if it's a greek or latin borrowing as a whole, but what about new words with the in- prefix? < 1427038493 776458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, new English words < 1427038577 203661 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... infertile, inflame infect... seems like 'nf' is how you write such clusters < 1427038664 5457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you change "in-" before "f"? "f" is a vowel < 1427038680 587918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? "f" is a consonant < 1427038692 407857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can hold an "f" indefinitely < 1427038694 110881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and for the same reason why you usually change it to "m" before a "p" < 1427038696 982329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that with true consonants like "b" < 1427038709 785375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, because the "f" is a fricative, the "b" is a plosive < 1427038710 882890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually I think the normal term is "semi-vowel") < 1427038713 336019 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: f is a hissing noise between lower lip and upper teeth < 1427038714 14860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1427038735 667859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "s" is a fricative too, which is why you can hold "s" indefinitely too, or at least as long as you're out of breath < 1427038772 327074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1427038776 212768 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you're _not_ out of breath < 1427038780 333264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a lot of apparent consonants can be held < 1427038786 279702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"l", "r", "p" at a stretch < 1427038793 857069 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'synchronous' changes it to /ŋk/ < 1427038815 30917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also something in the "g"/"j" space that can be held but it's not exactly either letter < 1427038831 478793 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1427038833 993932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the Chinese "zh" actually < 1427038846 345417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes, before a "k" or "g" the "n" usually changes to a "ng" sound < 1427038863 582724 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chinese zh is /ts/ iirc < 1427038865 202447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"m" and "n" can be held; "kh" can be; "r" can be < 1427038884 912092 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, the [ʃ] and [ʒ] sounds are fricatives (they work almost the same as [s] and [z]) and thus can be held indefinitely < 1427038885 588567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I thought it was the second half of an English "j" (the first half is a "d") < 1427038930 637085 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ʈʂ] < 1427038934 902271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the [n] has a so called "release" which you can do only once and not hold, and is similar to the release of the [b], and this is preceded by a nasal sound < 1427038940 443515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: correct < 1427038961 903528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is it possible to not do the release at all? < 1427038965 286445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the English j is very similar or the same as a [dʒ] < 1427038969 71294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can get a [n] to trail off < 1427038982 704666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but then people will think you're French, and _then_ it counts as a vowel < 1427038985 473607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so now you can explain to me what a Hungarian "gy" is < 1427039006 885663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds similar to "j" to a Brit, but it definitely isn't exactly the same < 1427039010 780297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the Hungarian "gy" is a plosive, it's like a "d" or a "g" but it's articulated somewhere between the two < 1427039029 848604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: huh, I think I can pronounce that < 1427039032 869958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does sound a lot like "j" < 1427039034 621627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a plosive so it also has a hold and a release, but you put the tongue between the two < 1427039054 397694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but be careful, there's probably two or three different plosives like that, depending on where you put your tongue < 1427039079 71144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.madore.org/~david/misc/linguistic/ipa/ is a good resource, though it's not complete, so it doesn't tell everything < 1427039079 226156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally don't care that much about pronouncing foreign languages without an accent < 1427039084 642130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, about pronouncing them intelligibly < 1427039099 428029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't David Madore an esolanger? < 1427039114 799078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inventor of Unlambda, apparently < 1427039213 850008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1427039285 286365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what that writeup doesn't explain is how the vowels work < 1427039294 60205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a blog entry somewhere that explains part of that, but not completely < 1427039306 730802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the consonants you asked about are in here < 1427039360 961037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, the point is, [ʒ] is a fricative, which means you can hold it forever, just like [z], but you put the tongue to a slightly different place. < 1427039433 351246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're speaking some Slavic languages, you can produce not two but like four or five different fricative variants that are all velar (which means your tongue is pushed against the top of your mouth) like [z] and [ʒ] < 1427039435 715719 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʒ is voiced version of english "sh" < 1427039450 285025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've no idea how to pronounced all the different versions of those, or how to hear the difference between them < 1427039455 298542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: correct < 1427039486 236164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: huh, I don't put the tongue to the top of my mouth for [z] < 1427039503 765914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main differentce between it and [ʒ] is the position of my teeth < 1427039524 338060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you put it on the sides of the palate < 1427039537 420995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and argh, yes, it's not called "velar" but "palatal" or something < 1427039540 23642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid latin < 1427039540 296213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it a bit behind my teeth < 1427039556 786871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's called something different, let me look in that article I linked to < 1427039566 635931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"alveolar" < 1427039571 315196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even mean anything < 1427039573 475122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, whatever < 1427039580 875684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it "alveolar" < 1427039623 403342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :velar vs. uvular fricative is difficult for me to distinguish < 1427039656 516179 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alveolar versus dental is hard for me, uvular and velar are pretty easy, because uvular makes me choke < 1427039703 343010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, all that stuff apart from labials ([p]), dentals ([t], [θ]), labiodentals ([f], [ɱ]) are somewhere inside your mouth, impossible to see where, and I can't follow which is where < 1427039707 846884 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you means distinguish upone hearing it < 1427039723 327534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: either < 1427039786 884553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :labial is obvious, except at the start of words, because you have to close your lips for it. dental is obvious because if you do it wrong you spit salvia. labiodental is obvious because you have to put your teeth towards your lips while your lips aren't closed. < 1427039810 59763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is complicated because yuo have to do stuff with your tongue that's invisible without X-rays or something < 1427039830 958769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, people _have_ done x-ray photos for this for educational purposes < 1427039835 843449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can look that up < 1427039836 967475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1427039846 278609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuo don't see it in everyday life < 1427040008 41658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most children learn the rest by reverse-engineering what they hear, but only up to the equivalence classes used in their particular language < 1427040137 850683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad system. phonetics should be taught open-source rather than everyone having to reverse-engineer compatible ways to produce the sounds < 1427040205 978056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean, taught open source to most people, not just the few that have speaking or hearing disabilities < 1427040285 245982 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1427040312 863602 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427040348 50987 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427040352 499045 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1427040394 24804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reference, http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2013-05-06.2138.voyelles-cardinales.html is the entry that tells part of the story about vowels < 1427040415 603809 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -c $(sed 's//echo /' twolines) < 1427040416 612932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 0: no previous regular expression \ bash: -c: option requires an argument < 1427040435 508074 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So uh. < 1427040440 191811 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -c $(sed -e 's//echo /' twolines) < 1427040441 211312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 0: no previous regular expression \ bash: -c: option requires an argument < 1427040461 519974 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't understand how sed works. < 1427040479 163621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -c $(sed -e 's/^/echo /' twolines) < 1427040480 94921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1427040482 752585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: try double quotes around the $() < 1427040485 888631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't zsh/tcsh < 1427040488 499684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -c "$(sed -e 's/^/echo /' twolines)" < 1427040489 347787 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1427040497 547466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo thanks b_jonas < 1427040498 432254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks b_jonas < 1427040507 37573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat twolines < 1427040507 962453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1427040508 124539 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1427040515 478792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wc twolines < 1427040515 694944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sed -e 's/^/echo /' twolines < 1427040516 422560 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 2 2 13 twolines < 1427040516 634938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 2: unknown command: `'' < 1427040521 933764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -e 's/^/echo /' twolines < 1427040522 850820 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo first \ echo second < 1427040570 297503 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo No output. > twolines < 1427040785 388594 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427040906 378476 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1427041052 517528 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1427041099 876828 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:1bc:9726:4fd4:89ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1427041452 51224 :S1!~S1@p4FF92031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1427041597 479260 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427041629 889530 :S1!~S1@p4FF92031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1427041821 106884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427041836 201520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427041904 127171 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427042112 230453 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1427042218 55217 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1427042230 110486 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427042314 543266 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:1bc:9726:4fd4:89ed QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427042737 511149 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427042981 486973 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1427042996 214422 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427043693 735173 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< oren> but it is biguated by context – It’s actually ambi- + agere. < 1427043801 699376 :Enki!~010101001@5.151.74.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427043814 659883 :Enki!~010101001@5.151.74.52 NICK :Enki01 < 1427044028 556639 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427044424 70228 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427044428 154608 :Enki01!~010101001@5.151.74.52 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1427044494 742110 :^v!~notnot^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427044560 82003 :^v!~notnot^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1427044577 85942 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427044577 395639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427045267 95675 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427045404 622985 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427045412 195068 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1427045992 867979 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427046014 225910 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427046072 96786 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427046077 865323 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1427046218 26659 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427046364 700956 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427046374 589782 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1427046374 590491 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1427046454 558888 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427046463 227905 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1427046531 399933 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1427046613 49303 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1427047667 310021 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427048610 271391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427049201 926672 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427049398 447370 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -e 's/^/echo /e' twolines < 1427049399 486245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second < 1427049416 818896 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant that one < 1427049611 541668 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an “e” switch for sed regexps'? < 1427049614 604276 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shudders
< 1427049652 27157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a gnu extension < 1427049681 146077 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically passes the whole line to system() < 1427049693 444705 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a valid command in gnu sed < 1427049708 68121 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed e <<< 'echo hurr durr durr' < 1427049710 174419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr durr durr < 1427049952 648729 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1427050094 382732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dog < 1427050095 606256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dog: not found < 1427050175 61842 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1427050211 563485 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/d* < 1427050212 420619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/danddreclist \ bin/define \ bin/delquote \ bin/delvs \ bin/dis86 \ bin/dontaskdonttelllist \ bin/don'taskdon'ttelllist < 1427050232 262090 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? delvs < 1427050232 272055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delvs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1427050236 595812 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delvs < 1427050237 697228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: delvs < 1427050247 415534 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... sounds ominous. what's a vs? < 1427051084 569321 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427051593 436751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code looks like an old version of https://github.com/L8D/delvs/ before it acquired socket operations < 1427051620 71223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a brainfuck with some extra operations) < 1427051754 209998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427051926 239693 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427052093 289777 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.36 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1427053111 774708 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427053256 444032 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427053337 168912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it would be if the code for skipping to the closing ] were correct. < 1427053653 763512 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427053793 63564 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs_ < 1427054490 197090 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1427054517 983980 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427054601 467501 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-noljefrmpfhcqumq JOIN :#esoteric < 1427054849 342508 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427054954 149806 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427055232 65634 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1427055397 655583 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427055643 157630 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427055709 343584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1427055739 968207 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427055759 391243 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep < 1427055849 824673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -3 < 1427055850 778755 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :884) `pastequotes django http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5404 I'm still in all of them :( someone else get quoted saying django please \ 1101) `addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst par < 1427055859 207787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -2 < 1427055860 158950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101) `addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. \ 1115) I love django. < 1427055907 38096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I was going to < 1427055909 124022 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. reminiscing about the djangiraffe madness? < 1427055913 560718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes < 1427055919 711810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1236) boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes < 1427055955 708894 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: apparently 87,5% was too low. enjoy your eternal acute djangoness hth < 1427055968 640816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: belloily. just logreading. i think elliott may be evil hth < 1427055995 395609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | wc < 1427055996 415671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 9 245 1622 < 1427056007 221427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7/9 < 1427056008 713735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.7777777777777778 < 1427056013 228180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1427056020 168941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8/9 < 1427056021 411106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8888888888888888 < 1427056029 247018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i should know that one. < 1427056047 434350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 's ok just remember 8 is a lucky number < 1427056185 121836 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe in elliott's evilness. maybe he ranks at about 3 or 4 millioerjans, which is statistical background noise. < 1427056203 214772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat dog # this exists, right? < 1427056207 853068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ < 1427056216 276625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fair enough < 1427056370 202557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 9 more rep... < 1427056477 790561 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rep, as in lifting? < 1427056486 815355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in stackoverflow < 1427056507 979097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reputation) < 1427056527 172453 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427057136 614436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 i think as and is work fine as is hth < 1427057136 654416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427057158 99731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may or may not actually mean that
< 1427057461 862766 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is verily tempted to mapole oerjan hth
< 1427057464 104330 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1427057628 941661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 un- is a germanic prefix while an- is latin the labialization only applies to the latter hth < 1427057628 943765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427057655 578824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 no wait, greek. < 1427057655 579714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427057669 763966 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1427057752 237952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 except it doesn't because greek actually uses a- before consonants. latin in- works that way, though. < 1427057752 278907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427057798 696365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 also ambiguous doesn't actually have an am- prefix. < 1427057798 697418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427057906 943809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427058036 490685 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 yes it does. consider biguity. < 1427058036 530249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427058057 260273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats boily -----###
< 1427058061 208794 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi hi ^^ < 1427058067 833986 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: AVOCABULANT CHICKEN < 1427058157 232648 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427058172 916707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily avocabulant isn't a word hth < 1427058172 988881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427058194 244017 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427058390 826106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 looking at wiktionary, the amb- in ambassador is cognate to ambi- but the path it took is really convoluted. < 1427058390 926244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427058412 684001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e did you fix the bug where lambdabot drops messages if you get too many twh < 1427058412 722251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427058532 977765 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-clear < 1427058533 43565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1427058563 577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of that bug. < 1427058603 93221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're still there. my attempt to force my sleeping rhythm later has failed in such a way that my mind thinks it's after midnight already. < 1427058604 935394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is looking at the fallout from ghc-7.10.1
< 1427058629 676816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on lambdabot? < 1427058648 920746 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :its dependencies, mostly < 1427058968 633527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well the bug hampers my ability to harass^Wadvise ais523 in absentia tdnh < 1427059032 485703 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1427059042 864461 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1427059050 316877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :patience, the bug has been there for years, surely it can wait a few weeks more < 1427059057 384841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1427059093 617453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why does lambdabot depend (indirectly though) on shake... < 1427059309 370608 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1427059335 920903 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you feel about applying https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/blob/79c694230952a8c560e7032b458b42f26661827a/patches/unlambda-0.1.3-ghc-7.10.patch to http://hackage.haskell.org/package/unlambda and making a new release? < 1427059413 850363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually never been the maintainer for that package despite it descending from my code < 1427059417 131977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i've < 1427059446 114821 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django < 1427059466 435037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django < 1427059468 594014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1237) ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django < 1427059494 474432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well there is no maintainer, so you can likely claim it for yourself easily :P < 1427059499 63595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily you are right i'm more evil than elliott hth < 1427059499 64878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427059517 694434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: except i don't have a github account hth < 1427059525 678013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ a hackage one. < 1427059528 184670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that quote should include me adding the previous one to the qdb, ideally < 1427059535 915776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the spirit of django quotes being unfunny and confusing < 1427059538 642200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the unlambda thing isn't on github anyway < 1427059546 449359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1427059667 309001 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427059720 305210 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1427059731 134580 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427059737 748270 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net NICK :f|`-`|f < 1427059754 306194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then i'd have to actually find where you did that. < 1427059785 382062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can reconstruct it from the previous quote < 1427059935 28797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh good point < 1427059947 730772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -2 < 1427059949 4507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1236) boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes \ 1237) ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django < 1427060046 34332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, mokus has an unlambda repository on github... I wonder... < 1427060095 39455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1427060100 315020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1427060107 280808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `addquote boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes [...] ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django < 1427060109 919313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1237) `addquote boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes [...] ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django < 1427060115 267173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -2 < 1427060116 407015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1236) boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes \ 1237) `addquote boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes [...] ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django < 1427060754 876378 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427060779 414693 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427061215 158751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1427061382 215247 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427061494 197054 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427061713 842699 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\s+|$\s+ < 1427061755 128280 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427062173 185648 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ㅜㅡㅜ < 1427062208 742774 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427062220 6981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427062903 705888 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1427062992 582814 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1427063055 971352 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427063359 844112 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427063540 372904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : < oren> but it is biguated by context – It’s actually ambi- + agere. <-- oh. so _both_ parts of amgiguous and ambassador are cognates... < 1427063551 521351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1427063604 379973 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427063660 201208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 in fact Melvar mentioned the two parts "ambiguous" come from, and they're cognate to the two parts of "ambassador" :P < 1427063660 201871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427063778 915786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 essentially both words are originally from something meaning "moving around" < 1427063778 954545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427063879 461508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 oh and the -m- never was a -n-, as far back as proto-indoeuropean. < 1427063879 462222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427064205 349666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you'll tell ais523 what he missed, right? < 1427064255 855432 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it biguated. < 1427064412 526842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : syn phony <-- actually συμφωνία has a μ in greek hth < 1427064460 272364 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it membered < 1427064482 692149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :membered, for the first time < 1427064511 361787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :member. not even once. < 1427064571 729309 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people derstand these simple words? < 1427064641 802350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're so azing < 1427064688 638775 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re- + memor, under + stand) < 1427064865 357947 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427065059 539752 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427065300 665845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427065812 458634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unlikely < 1427065835 458953 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1427065840 404904 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When trying to unzip on a Linux system I got "-bash: /net/home/black/bin/unzip: No such file or directory" < 1427065842 132171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNACCEPTABLE < 1427065860 914253 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now how am I going to fix it please? < 1427065930 950163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curses
< 1427066087 59666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so that's why cpressey's webpage system is called chrysoberyl < 1427066111 830236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: huh, so what is that unzip file? < 1427066162 56796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would guess that the file exists, but perhaps is referring to an ld.so or shared library that doesn't. < 1427066212 916575 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought < 1427066223 602594 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since someone told me before thing like that is caused < 1427066241 311307 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found where I can download the binaries, but how to figure out what libc is needed? < 1427066276 758112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought most linux distributions ship some kind of unzip < 1427066305 177951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ideas ... does jar understand compressed zip files? < 1427066331 462808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most .jars are compressed zip files. < 1427066350 442670 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, .jar is also a ZIP archive < 1427066357 249936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I've always assumed it's all DEFLATE. < 1427066364 156573 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the system I am using doesn't have jar either < 1427066365 230966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have not looked in over a decade; they used to be uncompressed. < 1427066377 282721 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren’t jars just zips with a certain metadata file or files inside? < 1427066395 415359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Yes, but you don't need to compress a zip. < 1427066400 447140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: the idea was to use jar to unpack the zip file. < 1427066403 832795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, there's a "store" compression method.) < 1427066455 156639 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have 7-Zip either; I checked that too < 1427066461 63439 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have wget < 1427066484 581860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: FWIW, a randomly chosen .jar (/usr/share/tomcat7/lib/tomcat-util.jar) was compressed. < 1427066495 750429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With DEFLATE.) < 1427066521 821673 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer I am trying to use is x86_64 GNU/Linux and 3.2.0-77-generic #114 Ubuntu < 1427066540 486514 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the compression method affect anything germane to the idea of using jar to decompress an arbitrary zip? < 1427066566 655428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: If all .jar files are uncompressed, the jar tool might not support any compression methods. < 1427066579 907991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I mean, hypothetically. They're compressed, and it does. < 1427066585 414556 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1427066863 363622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look at this wonderful hack: http://sprunge.us/VcXA?sh ;-) < 1427067049 450323 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I tried one, and it didn't work < 1427067074 736392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what distribution are you using anyway? < 1427067106 619079 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Linux beryllium 3.2.0-77-generic #114-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 10 17:26:03 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux" < 1427067115 703109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1427067116 306219 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no administration access < 1427067152 246458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but you can still fetch a .deb for unzip... which are ar files containing tgz files, the binary will be in data.tar.gz (or is it tgz...) < 1427067152 968071 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I cannot use the package manager. < 1427067192 842574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can use dpkg-deb to unpack debs without having any special access. < 1427067193 80406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should have a better chance of working than looking for random binaries < 1427067273 577873 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then what? < 1427067304 630509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have a working unzip binary? < 1427067394 912536 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what to do though, yes I do have dpkg-deb but don't know where to find the package or what need to be done with it < 1427067465 193936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Ubuntu, you can get them at http://packages.ubuntu.com/ < 1427067473 831031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do "lsb_release -a" to figure out the Ubuntu version. < 1427067476 9915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=unzip should find the .deb file; onoce unpacked it'll give you an unzip binary < 1427067512 696936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e's link has list of versions of unzip for each release. < 1427067588 461979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page for a particular version has a "Download unzip" table for architectures, and Ubuntu's name for x86_86 is "amd64". < 1427067633 172568 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427067634 518048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dpkg-deb's (rather poor) user interface is "dpkg-deb -x unzip.deb some-directory-name", to extract the package files into some-directory-name, and afterwards you should find a binary in some-directory-name/usr/bin/unzip. < 1427067664 979851 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK thanks < 1427067754 500280 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is the correct package though? < 1427067811 964681 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427067903 777528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean which one out of "lucid", "precise", "trusty", "utopic", "vivid" (holy moly, are they up to V already?), lsb_release -a should have a 'codename' field matching one of them. Unless it's a no-longer-supported version of Ubuntu. < 1427068000 870152 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I see < 1427068005 115350 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know lsb_release command < 1427068047 879355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel version suggests 12.04 < 1427068078 945822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("precise") < 1427068120 306325 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the response I got when I troed lsb_release -a < 1427068179 591499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably many ways to determine current Ubuntu version. lsb_release is a "standard" tool from the Linux Standard Base, so it can work on other distributions, too. I don't know how widely supported it is. < 1427068187 368028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/version/metadata/, the compilation time probably has the most information contents in there) < 1427068247 465080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :works in debian (no surprise there), doesn't work in Arch. I wonder about Gentoo... < 1427068318 465823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /etc/issue is another idea < 1427068341 585529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427068372 286598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427068656 380546 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I figured out how to unpack it now < 1427068711 221876 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it by: dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile unzip_6.0-4ubuntu2.3_amd64.deb | tar xO ./usr/bin/unzip > ~/bin/unzip < 1427068761 288188 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used apt-get download to download the package first; the webpage says using aptitude and I looked at the man page so I figured out now)