00:01:36 -!- skj3gg has joined. 00:03:56 -!- skj3gg has quit (Client Quit). 00:06:51 -!- skj3gg has joined. 00:07:11 -!- skj3gg_ has joined. 00:08:36 helloily 00:09:33 quinthellopia! 00:09:55 -!- fractal has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 00:10:05 hows yer weekend going 00:10:55 going pretty smooth. laundry, soup, freshly ground coffee, grocery, minecraft, unpronounceable vietnamese food, and a gin and tonic. 00:11:01 how's life on your end? 00:11:42 im in espana 00:12:18 ended the evening with tapas, sangria, and sweet delicious latte 00:12:55 quintopia, how did you end up in a spanner? 00:13:14 ¡oh! ¿en qué lugar estás? 00:13:16 -!- skj3gg_ has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 00:13:33 by being unable to type an enyay on this keyboard taneb 00:13:37 -!- Tritonio has joined. 00:13:50 :P 00:14:06 tomorrow a tour of sagrada familia before boarding a cruise 00:14:10 -!- skj3gg_ has joined. 00:14:29 Pat pat 00:14:33 quintopia: so you're in the North. how's the weather there? is it cold? 00:14:53 * boily misses having a café con leche in the morning... 00:15:03 its prettyy cold 00:15:15 but only when the wind blows 00:15:56 maybe the canaries will be warmer 00:16:08 though i'm not holding my breath 00:16:43 -!- h0rsep0wer has changed nick to a_piece_of_paper. 00:17:10 -!- a_piece_of_paper has changed nick to its_write. 00:17:36 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 00:18:00 Hmm 00:18:09 I've never been to mainland Spain 00:18:12 -!- its_write has changed nick to h0rsep0wer. 00:18:41 back in August when we were in Andalusia the Atlantic Ocean was warmer than the Mediterranean, so probably the Canaries will be not as cold. maybe. 00:18:54 Taneb: you should. it's quite nice! 00:19:19 -!- skj3gg_ has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 00:21:36 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:23:04 boily, I'll be going on my first holiday without parents this summer, hopefully, but that's to Italy 00:24:25 * Zefphex eats cake 00:24:37 * Taneb has it 00:25:25 Taneb: ^^ 00:26:37 I'm trying to learn the language as well as I can, but I am not doing much better than "Il uomo mangia un pollo" 00:26:45 And that's wrong, anyway 00:26:47 Aaargh 00:26:49 -!- fractal has joined. 00:27:59 * Taneb is not very good at languages 00:28:08 `? boily 00:28:09 boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. 00:28:18 * boily points to the Man Eating Chicken part ↑ 00:29:23 -!- skj3gg has joined. 00:29:32 you don't have to be good at languages. please, thank you, and how to eat chicken are the most important parts. 00:33:11 I... did not mean to say "Man eating chicken". I was going for egg, but L'uomo mangia l'uovo sounds silly 00:35:35 So I went for the first foodstuff I could think of 00:35:44 (other than uovi) 00:36:21 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 00:51:23 -!- nys has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:53:00 italy is good. i took my first nonparental tour there as well 00:58:36 quintopia, whence are you native? 00:58:46 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 00:59:36 `? quintopia 00:59:37 quintopia is our resident tl;dr generator. 01:00:40 East Timor and Dominican Republic? 01:00:42 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:03:16 -!- Tritonio_ has changed nick to Tritonio. 01:06:10 Taneb: quintopia is very mysterious. 01:06:31 -!- Tritonio has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:08:30 -!- Tritonio has joined. 01:24:15 i am approximately atlantan 01:26:46 * Taneb nods 01:43:16 I wrote a few ideas about RULECARD but I didn't write much yet: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/rulecard/draft_version.txt 01:43:16 -!- 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for inactivity). 04:41:39 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 04:43:04 but i mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BBx8BwLhqg <-- that video had surprisingly interesting comments... 04:43:43 or maybe the subject makes that non-surprising 04:44:31 like, i learned about nonmagnetic steel 04:56:13 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:04:19 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 05:11:22 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 05:13:12 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:22:39 -!- Zefphex has joined. 05:22:40 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 05:22:51 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:23:17 * Zefphex heavy breathing 05:23:31 call a doctor 05:23:36 Nah 05:23:44 `relcome Zefphex 05:23:45 ​Zefphex: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 05:23:51 I'm not new 05:23:53 Lol 05:23:55 oh 05:24:04 `relcome oerjan 05:24:06 ​oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 05:24:14 well you're newly noticed 05:24:15 Welcome!! 05:24:20 why thank you! 05:24:20 Nah m8 05:24:25 I'm lilax 05:24:28 oh 05:24:45 Or as it were the nick is assoiciated with lilax irc wise 05:24:54 I myself am not lilax 05:25:03 i can see now i've done a whois 05:25:25 How dare ye 05:25:40 * Zefphex pets oerjans head 05:25:53 well if i had suspected you were Lilax i would have done so already 05:26:24 or if i suspected you were one of the banned spammers 05:26:24 You being a cake and all I must forgive you 05:26:27 -!- jbkcc has joined. 05:26:30 i'm cake? 05:26:54 Also how could I be new I set the topic like 4 hours ago 05:27:08 oh i didn't notice who had changed it 05:27:21 As it were 05:27:21 and i'm not through the logreading yet 05:27:32 Yay reading 05:27:56 How many books do you read a day oerjan? 05:28:24 -!- oerjan has set topic: Crêpes Suzette | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 05:28:45 Hats! 05:28:46 Zefphex: about 0 these days, i have trouble reading longer stuff 05:28:57 Eyes? 05:29:04 eyes and neck 05:29:14 Dont slouch. 05:29:28 Do you use glasses? 05:29:34 not yet 05:29:46 //don't squint 05:30:00 it will prolong Vision 05:30:48 -!- adu has joined. 05:33:11 @help 05:33:21 @cmds 05:33:25 what 05:33:26 Ples 05:33:40 its not online 05:33:44 int-e: EMERGENCY 05:33:54 oerjan: you're too late 05:33:59 oh 05:34:02 what happened 05:34:13 06:30:13 --- lambdabot has joined #haskell 05:34:25 is it even ? 05:34:31 -!- lambdabot has joined. 05:34:32 it's rejoining 05:34:36 Non 05:34:55 int-e: well i assumed since i didn't notice it _leave_, that it was a more longterm problem 05:35:04 What are Crêpes suzette's? 05:35:07 oerjan: it was a netsplit 05:35:16 ^ 05:35:29 Zefphex: french pancakes which are soaked in alcohol and set on fire 05:35:36 oerjan: so nothing unusual, but lambdabot should've restarted anyway. it failed. 05:35:39 That's what I was talking about earlier 05:35:49 i thought we should progress from cake water to cake fire 05:35:49 netsplits 05:35:56 Amazing 05:36:04 Cake fusion? 05:36:11 hot stuff 05:36:24 i don't think french cuisine is considered fusion 05:36:41 Can you speak France oerjan 05:36:43 but if we add just a little mango... 05:36:54 Zefphex: not very much 05:37:05 I wish to go to French one day 05:37:29 French looks like the most made up word ever, I swear 05:37:41 And so Does Banana 05:38:00 crêpes suzette with mango and chili, now that's going to be thermonuclear 05:38:09 agree on the banana 05:38:37 now why did I get a privmsg from some bot right after saying something here, but from an IP unrelated to the users here. *sigh* 05:38:38 i'd link the minion song but i did so not long ago 05:38:45 Haunted French pancakes give me the crêpes 05:39:16 int-e: what did the msg say 05:39:27 ~Share~ 05:39:29 something about an mirc script 05:39:33 no. 05:39:34 ugh 05:39:48 It was spam. 05:40:05 Someone was just talking to me about mirc script 05:40:47 int-e: well i didn't get a privmsg, so it's not something targeting everyone who speaks 05:41:10 maybe the timing was a coincidence. 05:41:26 what's the user 05:41:45 Lambodie_Dance 05:41:55 ... 05:42:04 that name 05:42:07 everyone knows it's spelled lambada hth 05:42:18 Justifys everything 05:42:33 oerjan: I prefer lambda dance 05:43:13 Mmm bot nets 05:43:56 oh no... I had to google... why am I doing this? http://lambdadance.spacebar.org/ 05:44:57 (at least it's not a cat picture) 05:45:15 Google calls to your soul int-e 05:45:23 what do you have against the lambdacats 05:46:09 oerjan: I guess lambdacats are ok. I mean the 2 funny ones are. 05:46:44 (The number is an estimate. I went through them a while ago and most of them just made me groan.) 05:47:15 what do you mean there is a difference 05:47:52 funny things are supposed to make one smirk or laugh 05:47:55 not groan 05:47:55 :P 05:49:01 I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 05:49:15 -!- arjanb has quit (Quit: bbl). 05:49:36 -!- diginet_ has quit (Quit: diginet has quit!). 05:50:11 -!- diginet has joined. 05:50:16 -!- shikhin has joined. 05:50:44 fungot: 123 05:50:44 int-e: but that's not true. no more than four arrow operators is automatically cursed. they will be 05:52:09 fungot: so once you get beyond first, second, *** and &&& you should be safe? 05:52:10 oerjan: i prefer the ' normal form' isn't all that good 05:52:32 fungot: i'm not sure arrows have an agreed upon normal form 05:52:32 oerjan: what language is this in? ( rather easy with postfix. i don't think 05:53:11 Postfix arrows 05:53:56 hmm, relational databases and arrows 05:54:23 I wonder whether these two concepts mix well. 05:55:24 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 05:57:47 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:57:48 as usual, the arr function will ruin everything hth 05:58:26 ah. right. 05:58:58 though &&& is also a bit inconvenient. 05:59:56 (it's telling that its dual ||| is in a separate type class) 06:00:19 -!- shikhin has joined. 06:01:43 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:02:57 (Neither &&& nor ||| work for bijections, that's a something I once wanted to use arrows for.) 06:05:14 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:05:30 -!- shikhin has joined. 06:05:54 :t embed 06:05:56 Not in scope: ‘embed’ 06:06:02 :t Data.Isomorphism.embed 06:06:04 Data.Isomorphism.Iso k a b -> k a b 06:10:32 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 06:13:09 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:21:47 @ask boily it's the The Question. the answers go in the File. <-- wait isn't it the The File? 06:21:47 Consider it noted. 06:28:45 -!- GeekDude has quit (Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)). 06:39:51 you sure do like to ask people stuff 06:39:58 with the lambdabots 06:40:54 how else can we get the important information 06:42:00 Remembering it and asking tommorow 06:42:22 my memory has issues 06:43:26 Oh man you have no idea what I go through with memory issues 06:43:39 indeed. 06:43:51 .0001% of my memory is all I can access 06:44:04 estimations are very exact 06:44:12 thought so. 06:44:40 Are you married oerjan? 06:44:44 nope 06:44:58 dont plan? 06:45:03 nope 06:45:16 I dislike children of my generation 06:45:26 So you don't want to pass on a legacy 06:45:29 did anyone else get email about brainfuck golf? 06:45:34 quintopia: yes 06:45:34 No 06:45:47 //doesn't even email anymore 06:46:00 10 minute mail is my friend 06:46:22 then i looked at the page, saw that i needed to login, then closed. 06:46:42 To lazy 06:46:47 i didnt even look 06:47:06 Oh man I don't even know what a good job would be 06:47:14 well the story is plausible enough, seeing the corresponding anagol rankings... 06:47:35 i think both the example programs suggested are in fungot :P 06:47:35 oerjan: but they *are* 128 bits. formicidae ignores them, but at other parties people dance just to look at 06:47:38 ^rev hi there 06:47:38 ereht ih 06:47:49 ^8ball has it as a subroutine 06:47:49 No. 06:48:11 oh my cod its an 8ball cmd 06:48:29 but fungot is not bf? 06:48:29 quintopia: hmm... if it uses shared memory it will be " good" 06:48:32 Zefphex: it's not very 8bally, really. only answers Yes or No. 06:48:37 should be ^conch 06:48:42 ^bf ,[.,]!says who? 06:48:42 says who? 06:48:45 for magic conch shell 06:49:24 i mean maybe those commands are. i wojldnt know. 06:49:36 ^8ball should I delete my hack of pokemon silver 06:49:36 Yes. 06:49:41 K 06:50:14 are the yes's and no's on routine intervals 06:50:21 ^show rev 06:50:21 >,[>,]<[.<] 06:50:24 like yes then no then yes again 06:50:34 fungot is in bf? 06:50:34 Zefphex: calling add-hook with it's optional append argument set to true or false with the corresponding item. 06:50:36 no 06:50:49 quintopia: fungot has brainfuck and underload as its command definition languages 06:50:49 oerjan: i have a fnord compiler in sed :p. but the small ones to take to peru 06:50:50 Son, I am dissapoint 06:51:19 ^show 8ball 06:51:20 ,[[->+<],]>2+2<[->-[>+>2]>[+[-<+>]>+>2]<5]>4+<2[>2-+11[>+8>+4<2-]>+.+12.+14.>+2.<4-]>2[+10[>+7>+4<2-]>+.+33.>+2.<2] 06:51:35 compressed bf eh 06:51:37 Zefphex: the Yes and No are entirely functions of the input you give, because that's all a brainfuck-defined command can do... 06:51:55 ^show ^show 06:52:05 ^show show 06:52:14 show is builtin 06:52:15 it seems 06:52:22 and thus written in befunge 06:52:23 I am a cat 06:52:54 $@hello 06:52:57 Hello 06:52:58 befunge isn't allowed for defining commands in, presumably because it would be (1) hard to give 2d programs (2) hard to sandbox from the rest 06:53:01 I c 06:53:13 Zefphex fungot.b 06:53:14 quintopia: i borked it :(. i hate lambda since i had to restart. 06:53:19 ^source 06:53:19 https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 06:53:21 no ples 06:53:29 blob 06:53:32 fis 06:53:39 blob fision 06:53:59 Zefphex /etc/passwd 06:54:06 ah 06:54:21 not a very good cat 06:54:36 apparently quintopia 06:55:00 ah is not a reasonable error message 06:55:06 is : a syntax 06:55:38 no it's a symbol hth 06:55:39 Time limit for question exceedes It is indeed a syntax 06:55:41 in english orthography? yes 06:55:43 Anyways 06:55:49 orthography? 06:55:56 Never heard of it 06:56:12 `8ball Should I tell Zefphex about HackEgo's `8ball command? 06:56:13 Without a doubt. 06:56:23 lol 06:56:43 `8ball Should I delete the s67 port 06:56:44 Don't count on it. 06:56:54 but I need to 06:57:01 I trust you HackEgo 06:57:03 ^8ball is Zefphex human? 06:57:03 No. 06:57:11 :) 06:57:20 ^8ball is Zefphex a cat? 06:57:20 No. 06:57:31 ^8ball is Zefphex cat? 06:57:31 Yes. 06:57:35 hmm 06:57:46 ^8ball does Zefphex farts rainbows? 06:57:46 Yes. 06:57:55 Zefphex: at least you are not a liar 06:58:38 amaze 07:00:06 so 07:00:47 If I ever wanted to change my prefix to ^ I can just [@]changeprefix[@]stateadmin=[^] %devnull for absolutely no reason 07:01:07 OKAY 07:01:24 I've had steak a couple times 07:01:33 It was pretty good 07:01:45 me too! slightly underestimated. 07:01:50 Why do you have caps on oerjan 07:02:03 Or is that spell check 07:02:06 they're ironic caps hth 07:02:17 I do not get it? 07:02:22 highly magnetic 07:02:35 Still does not get it 07:02:48 some things you just have to get used to. 07:03:00 *dalek voice* "explain!" 07:03:21 EX-TER-MIN-ATE see how nice caps are? 07:03:31 nop 07:03:39 not much of a dalek then. 07:03:45 They are very bad for me 07:03:50 Dyslexia 07:04:32 dyslexic dalek? 07:04:37 killer caps 07:04:44 must be death caps 07:06:44 Do any of the bots have safety locks that disallow users to use it while its doing something like an update 07:07:10 I do that sometimes cuz updates are hard to handle if everyone is using it 07:07:24 Oh man this chicken tastes like candy 07:10:23 I've lied to myself I'm not even eating 07:11:23 HackEgo has transactions, i think that's more advanced 07:11:51 ah 07:12:30 lambdabot has at least one race condition that keeps popping up 07:12:50 that's kinda what the %devnull is that I put on the end of my cmd strings, Its not even proccessed by the engine that proccess the cmd its an invisible variable 07:12:55 but i think mostly they just quit for large updates 07:13:44 fungot isn't multithreaded at all, i think 07:13:44 oerjan: cf the original paper was ' lambda: the ultimate opcode') cpstk')) a) 07:14:05 so the commands always run in sequence. 07:15:15 like eg; [@]stuffhere[@]state(userstatus)=admin so [@]stateadmin then what you want it to do in the dev terminal [@]change=[objecthere] then %devnull turns the bot off for all users while it does that 07:15:27 its really fucking retarded 07:15:33 excuse my France 07:16:24 * Zefphex nibbles on cookie 07:16:41 I need to stop swearing so excuse me if I do. 07:29:13 gonna go watch downtown abbey 07:30:06 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 07:30:15 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 07:31:44 isomorphic data structures 07:32:10 Go 07:45:56 What would you think of other variants of chess rating systems? There is Elo and Glicko and so on, but then what if you use Elo with inflation, or whatever? As it turns out Glicko also involves time? 07:46:23 Wizards of the Coast now uses "Planeswalker Points", which in my opinion is stupid, you can earn points even if you lose. 07:56:03 -!- Sgeo has joined. 07:58:53 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:09:47 -!- adu has joined. 08:38:10 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 08:56:41 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8941621 09:15:48 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:17:55 -!- heroux has joined. 09:23:27 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Quit: bbl). 09:30:35 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 09:30:35 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 09:33:51 -!- Patashu has joined. 09:36:38 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:37:20 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 10:00:00 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 10:00:00 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 10:18:18 -!- CrazyM4n has joined. 10:30:41 -!- CrazyM4n has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:35:32 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 10:38:03 -!- Patashu has joined. 10:39:13 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:40:13 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 10:42:40 `` date -u '27 Dec 2078' 10:42:52 date: invalid date `27 Dec 2078' 10:44:26 `` date +%s -d '27 Dec 2078' 10:44:26 3439324800 10:45:12 `` $(($(date +%s -d '27 Dec 2078') + 70 * 365 * 86400)) 10:45:13 bash: 5646844800: command not found 10:45:18 `` echo $(($(date +%s -d '27 Dec 2078') + 70 * 365 * 86400)) 10:45:18 5646844800 10:46:23 Why do I have a file with this timestamp 10:53:22 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:55:33 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 11:00:55 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:01:14 -!- Patashu has joined. 11:02:50 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:06:15 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 11:15:06 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:20:52 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:25:52 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:29:00 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 11:31:38 -!- Patashu has joined. 11:33:53 Jafet: Time travellers hth 11:36:24 -!- idris-bot has joined. 11:37:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:47:36 I don't thought that will have becoming a plausible explanation. 11:57:57 -!- S1 has joined. 12:05:26 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 12:05:26 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 12:09:46 -!- shikhin has joined. 12:09:53 -!- Patashu_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 12:12:53 -!- shikhin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:20:14 who's a time traveller? 12:25:30 -!- Zefphex has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 12:36:46 me 12:37:00 although I'm travelling forwards in time 12:37:06 So technically I'm from the past 12:38:38 lol 12:46:13 so the key to being a time traveler is using weird tenses? 12:50:38 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:56:24 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 12:57:43 Truth-machine SQL program: with x(y) as (select $input union all select y from x where y) select y from x; 12:59:00 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 13:00:54 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:01:20 fungot, what's your opinion on smartbot3's ascension? 13:01:20 b_jonas: well i got summer holidays now so :) i'm writing a funge-98 interpreter? 13:01:35 fungot, is that your idea of a good time? 13:01:36 b_jonas: gambit scheme runs on windows, the way this list will only ever rape me 13:03:17 -!- Tritonio_ has changed nick to Tritonio. 13:04:58 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:05:40 zzo38: postgres seems to require WITH RECURSIVE there. 13:05:40 -!- jbkcc has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 13:07:05 Jafet: Yes it is supposed to require RECURSIVE, but some implementations (including SQLite) don't require it. 13:07:53 b_jonas: now write the entire bot in the rcfile http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/qw.rc 13:07:55 SQLite allows but ignores the keyword RECURSIVE after WITH. (I am using SQLite so I didn't include it) 13:10:52 and apparentely time travelling causes headaches 13:10:55 just as a heads up 13:11:11 *heads-up 13:13:24 -!- hjulle has joined. 13:14:42 -!- jbkcc has joined. 13:21:47 -!- Vorpal_ has changed nick to Vorpal. 13:21:57 -!- boily has joined. 13:22:01 -!- S1 has quit (Quit: S1). 13:23:54 A weird question: Anyone know anything about open source document databases with good full text searching and reasonable performance for large sets of (English) text data? I place higher importance on the quality of the search than the time. 13:26:54 SQLite includes an extension for full text search; other than that I don't know if it is what you would be looking for or what else is available or whatever. 13:27:46 I tried with full text search in postgresql, it was rather slow, but more importantly had a really limited syntax. 13:28:14 I have not tried with sqlite, but I'm not sure that it will be suitable given the size of the data set (several hundred megabytes) 13:29:18 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 13:31:08 This is for personal use. (Denial of service attacks are not an issue in other words.) 13:31:21 I'm not sure it would work so well either. 13:32:40 But I do know that if you are accessing it only from one computer and one process at a time, SQLite works well for such things. I don't know how the speed would compare, but I do know that SQLite is certainly capable of dealing with data of that size, although SQLite tends to work best for relatively small data. 13:32:51 Vorpal: lucene/solr/elasticsearch/whatever? 13:33:34 sphinx? xapian? 13:33:42 Dwarf Fortress has segfaulted on me 3 times today 13:33:53 elliott, thanks, I will look into those. 13:33:59 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 13:34:04 (lucene/solr/elasticsearch all being one recommendation) 13:34:10 Oh? 13:34:15 well, elasticsearch is based on lucene. 13:34:21 I have heard of Sphinx but not the others 13:34:21 and I forget what the difference between lucene and solr even is. 13:34:32 Taneb: ah? 13:34:33 it's the same project anyway 13:34:37 @massages-loud 13:34:38 oerjan asked 7h 12m 50s ago: it's the The Question. the answers go in the File. <-- wait isn't it the The File? 13:34:42 boily, I don't really know why, it's just annoying 13:34:50 elliott, both appears to have astronomically inspired names 13:35:28 @tell oerjan it should tdh 13:35:28 Consider it noted. 13:36:02 Thanks elliott, I will read up on these :) 13:36:24 np 13:36:26 :) 13:37:15 Vorpal: of course those are more the search side of things though I think at least some of them have full server things to store documents in 13:37:30 but they're not like, fully blown mongodb document databases I guess 13:38:32 elliott, I would really like to access it directly with a query language (which was the reason I tried with PostgreSQL first), rather than just have a more or less annoying API I have to call from another language. 13:38:53 But as long as it is reasonably simple to write such a query frontend for it, whatever 13:40:36 I mean, these things are used for fulltext search by websites and stuff, so they can probably do that kind of thing. 13:41:15 Indeed, and I think xapian is used for something with apt on ubuntu and/or debian? 13:43:09 Hm yeah I will need to read up in detail on these to figure out which (if any) fits my needs. 13:45:17 (clarification: by elssticsearch being based on lucene, I mean based on top of, not that it is a fork.) 13:45:22 -!- jbkcc has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 13:45:26 Yeah I found that 13:45:36 elliott, not sure where solr comes into it yet though 13:48:16 I've had a todo list item of doing the PostgreSQL full-text search for my PostgreSQL IRC logs for a while, but never seem to manage actually do it. 13:49:02 fizzie, with 8.3 it is super-simple at least, though it is apparently more complicated in older versions 13:49:24 Err, 9.3 13:49:26 Not 8.3 13:49:37 It was tricky when I was doing it for Darkhive. 13:50:11 fizzie, I just had to create an index like CREATE INDEX foo on bar (to_tsvector('english', full_text)); 13:50:12 That was around the time when they were making the then-extension part of PostgreSQL proper, or something like that. 13:50:23 No extension needed even 13:50:30 Yes, I know it's simpler now. 13:51:10 Then queries are like: SELECT * from bar WHERE to_tsvector('english', full_text) @@ to_tsquery('hello & there') 13:51:20 And there is some more stuff you can do in the tsquery 13:51:43 I did have some issues getting it to reliably use the index when the query was complicated though 13:51:52 Not sure what fixed it in the end 13:51:55 I think optimally I'd like to have Google Code Search on my logs, but I don't think they've open-sourced that. 13:52:01 Indeed 13:52:16 fizzie: well, they open-sourced the engine. 13:52:20 fizzie, also google search isn't really good for all of that stuff 13:52:22 elliott, really? 13:52:26 @google RE2 13:52:28 http://code.google.com/p/re2/ 13:52:28 Title: re2 - an efficient, principled regular expression library - Google Project Ho... 13:52:34 Ah 13:52:42 Yes, the underlying regex engine. 13:52:53 http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp4.html 13:53:10 But I think code search involved other things that aren't really part of RE2. 13:53:33 Hm 13:53:35 right. that article goes into at least some of them 13:53:47 it's just good old n-grams, surely you have some code lying around for that. 13:54:02 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:54:51 I've read the series, but it'd involve actual work, and who has time for that? 13:55:24 In case you need to know now, I did find information about speed of SQLite's full text search. Using it to search the Enron data for "Linux" takes 0.03 seconds, versus 22.5 seconds when not using the full text search. 13:56:12 They still have the code search online for stuff hosted on code.google.com, I think. 13:56:22 At least the Chromium repository is code-searchable. 13:56:37 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/codesearch 13:56:48 I've been assuming that's for everything there. 13:56:50 So you see, SQLite will certainly do it. 13:57:13 zzo38, it is of course an improvement, but I'm not certain it will be that good for my use case. 13:58:22 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 13:58:27 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:58:37 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 13:59:40 Perhaps, but what exactly are you trying to do anyways? 13:59:44 fizzie, this doesn't do word stemming (I think the term is?) though does it? 14:00:01 fizzie, as in, treat stuff like "casual" and "casually" the same 14:00:14 That is a feature I really want 14:00:31 Vorpal: Well, no, it's a *code* search. I think it'd fit my IRC log search types better. 14:00:44 fizzie, fair enough 14:00:59 Although admittedly the code-understanding parts aren't exactly useful. 14:01:09 zzo38, search a large corpus of long form English text. 14:01:10 (It knows about declarations and definitions and that sort of stuff.) 14:01:31 (long form as in "several pages" rather than "a line of IRC log") 14:02:52 I did something with Lucene, but I forget what, and this was again a decade ago, so it's probably not at all relevant to the Lucene of now. 14:02:53 fizzie, what about the search engine in something like sublime? Somehow it is lightning fast even with complicated regexes with backtracking for the code at work at least. And that code checkout is over 1 GB of C/C++ 14:03:45 I don't know anything about that. But it's a commercial product too, right? 14:03:57 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 14:03:57 Well, sublime is nagware 14:04:17 I have't really looked into it, it's quite possible someone's actually built something more turn-key on top of, say, RE2. 14:04:25 With complicated regex, I mean using generalized zero width assertions and so on as well, which apparently is tricky to handle 14:04:54 fizzie, possibly it does something smart to filter down what parts to use full on PCRE on then? 14:05:29 Because it isn't slow even with back references and so on. (Though I haven't tried the pathological cases) 14:06:14 fizzie, there is also ag/silversearch iirc 14:06:20 which is an open source command line tool 14:06:22 what is a zero width assertion? 14:06:53 Vorpal: I'm sure it does "something smart", possibly the kind of things talked about in the link elliott provided. 14:07:15 boily, Simple examples are stuff like ^ or $, but PCRE at least support generalized "(not) preceded/followed by general regex" 14:07:34 The Chromium code search is pretty fast, too, and I think that's quite a pile of code. 14:07:37 boily, asserting there is a word boundary with \w would also be a zero width assertion 14:07:50 ah. aaaaaaah. 14:07:51 Well, I think SQLite full text search does it. It doesn't do regexes though, but it can do stemming. 14:07:52 fizzie, talked too much, haven't read it all 14:07:57 Not to mention the Google-internal stuff, because I'm likely legally barred from mentioning them. 14:08:13 fizzie, anyway ag is fast and afaik doesn't build an index in advance, not quite as fast as sublime though 14:08:30 fizzie, oh yeah, you work at google now 14:10:11 Yes, and I think it's uncontroversial to say they have a lot of source code. 14:10:30 well duh 14:10:45 A checkout of the open-source Android tree is 50 GB, according to the public site. 14:10:51 holy shit 14:10:52 fizzie, what do you work on there btw? Anything you can tell at all? Like which product you work on 14:11:53 It's the Android "Google" app, I think I'm allowed to say that much. 14:12:24 Google's HTTP server is defective; sometimes HEAD requests return a 404 error even though GET works, and headerless requests will still emit a header in the response. 14:12:32 Ah, the thing I disable the first thing I do on new android devices 14:12:44 And all that "google now" crap 14:12:46 You should fix them if you work for Google by now? 14:13:14 zzo38, he works on a different part as stated above 14:13:29 Then tell the people that work on that part. 14:13:45 fizzie, so now, from the inside: Is google evil these days? 14:13:54 ;P 14:14:20 [RESPONSE REDACTED] 14:14:22 Huh, that's weird. 14:14:26 I can tell even from the outside, they are partially evil these days. 14:14:46 it would be pretty great if fizzie fixed google's http server because of zzo 14:14:49 20% time and all that 14:15:15 fizzie, heh 14:15:25 fizzie: If you don't work on Google's HTTP server, then can you please tell the people that do work on such thing. 14:15:35 I *could* file a bug on it, technically. 14:15:46 It's possible their view on what's "broken" might differ from yours, though. 14:16:15 Do you have an URL that consistently returns a 404 on HEAD but 200 on GET? 14:16:18 fizzie, well, I think that would be clearly specified by the relevant RFC for HTTP 14:16:44 Also who the hell uses HEAD requests except for debugging? 14:16:49 I don't have it now, but I have found it before; I think it was a download from Google Code. 14:17:22 I wanted to figure out the exact file size before downloading. 14:18:20 Right... 14:20:09 Maybe fungot knows. 14:20:10 Jafet: buy an artificial nail, maybe a few other servers, including lighttpd itself, another address, inside of a language to write a 14:22:54 For want of an artificial nail 14:23:20 zzo38: You seem to be right about that. 14:23:27 Btw, after reading about codesearch, what *did* happen to the language Go? 14:23:39 Is it still actively used? Outside google? 14:24:01 it's... pretty hugely popular 14:24:12 it's used on the backend for a lot of major things 14:24:23 I think it's kind of dropped off the peak of hype, though. 14:24:43 you may have heard of docker, that's written in go 14:24:58 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 14:25:36 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:25:46 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 14:26:38 fizzie: I dunno, I feel like it's trendy again 14:26:46 elliott, ah, interesting 14:27:05 context? 14:27:24 I feel like Go is eating up a lot of the node.js mindshare as people realise how awful javascript is or something 14:27:55 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 14:28:01 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 14:28:26 hmm, does JS or PHP have a larger success/quality ratio? 14:29:22 I think JavaScript is a better quality programming language than PHP mostly. 14:29:53 you can sort-of see how the low quality happened in both cases, JS was invented on a crazily tight deadline, whereas PHP wasn't intended to get as big as it id 14:30:03 zzo38: JavaScript's probably also more successful though 14:31:46 (What unit is success/quality ratio measured in?) 14:32:27 ais523, well, obviously, if you want to script in the browser (client side), it is basically js or plugins that are the options 14:32:47 JS has made inroads into the server 14:32:53 And plugins are dying out, slowly. Doesn't work on most mobile devices and so on 14:32:53 luckily, client-side PHP is still basically unused 14:32:54 Well yes 14:33:02 Does that even exist? 14:33:04 I was talking just about the programming languages in general and not specifically for webpages or any other specific use. 14:33:30 ais523, I was just saying that nowdays, for scripting in a web browser, js is your *only* option. Which means it will obviously be successful. 14:33:35 Both JavaScript and PHP are usable for command-line programs too. 14:33:39 Vorpal: put it this way: a statement that it /didn't/ exist would almost certainly be proved incorrect 14:33:54 ais523, hah 14:34:15 I don't think I've ever heard of a web client that ran php 14:34:22 especially considering that we're in #esoteric 14:34:39 Right 14:34:53 brb 14:35:29 Non-webserver PHP existed, though (I think a full win32 API binding even existed for it) 14:35:38 hmm, I'm finding it hard not to interpret that as "brb, writing a method of running PHP client-side on the web" 14:35:48 Vorpal: Client-side PHP in action: https://github.com/K-S-V/Scripts/wiki 14:35:51 Yes, there is a full win32 API binding for PHP. 14:36:01 There is also GTK for PHP, and many other stuff too. 14:36:15 Vorpal: That's used by the unofficial command-line downloader for YLE's (think "Finnish BBC") watch-TV-on-the-web site. 14:36:57 (They're using the Adobe HDS thing, and I guess nobody's bothered to reimplement that PHP script in anything more sane.) 14:36:57 hmm, it's weird to think of other countries having a BBC equivalent 14:37:01 Ah, a web client itself written in PHP 14:37:03 because the BBC is in such a weird place 14:37:17 although, little-known fact: the BBC doesn't get all the license fee funding, all TV channels get it to some amount 14:37:30 normally to persuade them to run news programs 14:37:56 ais523: The TV license fee stuff is quite strange. AIUI, you have to pay it if you watch anything describable as "live TV", even if it's just some random live webstream from some non-UK place. 14:37:58 some channels like channel 4 put a lot of effort into their news, and I think it's because they get compensated for much of the money they spend on it via the license fee 14:38:25 fizzie: it's something like that, I'm not 100% sure on the exact rules 14:38:40 I know that streaming the broadcast channels via the Internet without a license is against the rules 14:38:52 but watching a replay of a program that aired half an hour ago is completely fine 14:39:31 It's understandably overreaching, because it's designed to prevent people from weaselling out of the fee 14:39:46 ais523: For some reason, the +1 and +2 channels are still "live TV", though. 14:40:02 "Do I need a TV Licence to watch +1 or +2 channels?" 14:40:04 "Yes you do, as you’re still watching live TV. 14:40:04 ‘Live TV’ means any programme you watch or record at the same time as it’s being shown on TV or an online TV service. 14:40:06 I think it also depend if it is color picture or not? 14:40:07 If you only ever watch ‘on demand’ programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on TV." 14:40:16 zzo38: There's different prices for color and B&W, yes. 14:41:30 "Do I need a TV Licence to watch live TV programmes from outside the UK or Channel Islands?" "Yes, you need a TV Licence if you watch or record live TV online, no matter where it is distributed from. This includes online streamed programmes from outside the UK and Channel Islands." 14:41:35 what's really complicated is what happens wrt TV licenses for families 14:41:59 because you only need the household licensed, typically, and that covers the TVs/computers in the house 14:42:01 I have once suggested that you could use encryption; the Y component is encrypted with one key, and U and V with another key; these keys are distributed ahead of time to subscribers and are made public several days later. 14:42:08 but then when someone takes a portable TV out of the house, it gets quite complex 14:42:22 ais523: Also I think our rent agreement stipulates we pay the TV license fee, no matter what. 14:42:27 it used to be that it depended on whether it was black or white or not 14:42:38 zzo38: satellite TV used to use encryption, and probably still does 14:42:49 there was a bit of a row because Sky were encrypting the BBC signal and the BBC asked them not to 14:43:12 But does it use a separate key for the Y signal as the U and V signal? 14:43:34 I don't know 14:43:38 I also heard there is apparently no fee for audio, so that shouldn't be encrypted. 14:43:53 also, I doubt that there's anyone who's likely to pay for specific channels in black and white only 14:46:24 fizzie: huh, why 14:47:12 elliott: I don't know, and I don't know if it's going to be in the final contract, but it was in the draft we saw. 14:47:34 elliott: Given how vague the official rules are, we were thinking it's not going to be worth it to complicate things by complaining about it. 14:47:40 ais523: Are you sure? 14:47:43 elliott: There's been enough of complications w.r.t. reference checks etc. already. 14:48:15 complaining about the tv licensing fee on a google salary seems rather pointless 14:48:22 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:48:32 Vorpal: Client-side PHP in action: https://github.com/K-S-V/Scripts/wiki <-- oh god 14:49:16 fizzie, well that looks like command line, rather than client side browser 14:49:40 hmm, it's weird to think of other countries having a BBC equivalent <-- Sweden has SVT, pretty sure Norway also has something like it, NRK iirc? 14:50:21 It is also possible for a program in PHP to check if running by command-line program or not. 14:50:46 If you only ever watch ‘on demand’ programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on TV." <-- what about Twitch? 14:50:53 (The FurryScript implementation does this.) 14:51:04 Vorpal: As I read it, that's "live TV". But I'm sure I don't know. 14:51:13 Vorpal: And it's a command-line "client", but sure. 14:51:30 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 14:51:57 why is furryscript called furryscript again 14:52:32 Due to an obsolete version of something called "Seventh Sanctum" 14:53:35 fizzie, I have seen command line php stuff before yeah, though for stuff like maintenance scripts for mediawiki and what not 14:53:43 (The reason is somewhat obscure, but that's basically it) 14:53:45 Not really stand-alone stuff 14:53:48 zzo38: The problem you described is discussed at https://code.google.com/p/support/issues/detail?id=660 where you could e.g. post a comment or star the issue. Though given that it's been 7 years and has 145 stars, I'm not entirely sure how much that would help. 14:54:23 furryscript should ideally only be usable by furries 14:55:41 fizzie, btw, another random google feature request: TTS on Android for Swedish. Would be useful for in-car navigation. If I set it to English where there is TTS support I get much more detailed descriptions from the routing application. 14:55:54 elliott: Well, it is usable by furries, but anyone else can use it too, it doesn't try to exclude anyone please. 14:55:56 But then the place names are spoken horribly 14:56:16 fizzie can you fix google so it gives the results i want ? thanks 14:56:33 fizzie can you give me a google-branded pen 14:56:34 elliott, yeah and also, make them stop spying on people. 14:56:41 i felt really hi-tech when i used one 14:56:45 And google glass 14:56:45 fizzie: I am unable to put in there the report. 14:56:52 elliott, XD 14:57:03 fizzie can you tell larry page about me 14:57:22 Vorpal: Huh, there's no Swedish TTS? 14:57:31 fizzie can you ask larry page if he got into web stuff because of his surname? was it fate or did he change his surname to page because he liked web pages so much. was he originally called larry smith or something 14:57:34 And reply #31 is the same one as my problem with it. 14:57:53 fizzie, not with the default Google TTS thingy no 14:57:56 on Android 14:58:10 fizzie, there are third party apps, I tried one, it crashed when I set it as the system's default TTS 14:58:15 TTS engine* 14:58:31 It was apparently not working with kitkat 14:58:49 Vorpal: I know some people on the TTS side, but even if I asked them about when Android's going to get Swedish TTS, I wouldn't be able to tell you the reply. 14:58:57 fizzie, right 14:59:09 fizzie can you find out exactly how sergey sergery brin is 14:59:14 *sergey 14:59:20 But there still is the other defect too, which is that it improperly emits a header in the response even if a headerless request is used. 14:59:20 Vorpal: I might mention it's a popular user request (N=1) at lunch, though the chances of that affecting anything are pretty small. 14:59:31 fizzie, I think it is silly though, because google translate can speak Swedish 14:59:47 fizzie, so why the more generic TTS can't, I don't understand 14:59:48 union of soviet sergey republics 15:00:13 Presumably it is online and not offline or something 15:00:27 These two defects I reported are really the only two things I really care about fixing. 15:01:15 Google does a lot of other stupid stuff too but I don't care about it. 15:01:39 Vorpal: It does have an offline model. If you go to "settings / language & input / text-to-speech output / Google text-to-speech engine" (at least pre-Lollipop), there's a "download voice data" thing. 15:01:53 fizzie, I know, and Swedish is not in that list 15:01:59 English is yes 15:02:08 Vorpal: Oh, unless you meant that Google Translate is online, which is undoubtedly true. 15:02:30 fizzie, exactly, it probably fetches the spoken line in Swedish from the google servers 15:02:44 -!- nys has joined. 15:03:16 But since you thus demonstrably have TTS for Swedish, why not put it in the Google TTS system-service provider thing as well 15:03:29 That is basically all I'm asking 15:03:58 Vorpal: I don't think they use the same models offline and online. I mean, resource constraints and all that. 15:04:15 Vorpal: Or did you want the online thing as an Android TTS engine? 15:04:56 Ah, yeah I want offline model, since often I'm in areas with no mobile coverage, or only GSM when I'm driving 15:05:20 But I guess that could explain it 15:05:52 Since it was a publicly posted thing, I think I can mention that Google was looking for a fixed-time (12 months?) contract person to work on TTS on Finnish. The message was passed around on our university group lists a month or so ago. 15:05:58 fizzie, if it tried to download the driving instructions on 1 bar of GSM, I would be way past the turn before it finished :P 15:06:21 Given that they do have Finnish TTS online, it sounds quite possible it would be about offline TTS, since Android doesn't do Finnish either. 15:06:45 fizzie, Hm, interesting, Isn't Finnish a smaller language than Swedish though? But I guess there could be linguistic reasons that makes it higher priority 15:06:47 And given that Sweden is a bigger market than Finland, it wouldn't surprise me if they actually had a plan for this. 15:07:03 But this is all unverified. I could find out, but then I'd have to stop talking. 15:07:08 Right 15:10:21 elliott: I can give you a Google-branded pen if I ever meet you (and happen to have one on me). 15:10:38 I got four as a souvenir from the job interview. 15:10:59 I don't know about the rest. 15:11:12 well one out of ~twenty isn't bad 15:11:29 are we going to meet up for you to give me a google pen and two old unix boxes 15:11:31 because: awesome 15:13:49 fizzie, what is so special about these pens? Apart from the brand? Are they the usual bad quality of every other branded pen? 15:14:09 (as in, non-pen-manufacture-branded) 15:16:05 they say google on them 15:19:43 right 15:20:08 Apparently most of the reddit server side code is open source? Huh. 15:35:52 [wiki] [[Talk:Qq]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41723 * InputUsername * (+283) Added a question 15:36:36 [wiki] [[Talk:Qq]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41724&oldid=41723 * InputUsername * (-283) I am stupid. Never mind. Removed question. 15:38:07 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:38:14 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 15:39:12 Vorpal: I think they were above-average, but nothing to write home about. (Perfectly okay for writing home *with*, though.) 15:40:21 fair enough 15:42:31 The set of four I got were a set in the Google colours (blue, green, red, yellow), and then I had a more vaguely coloured one (teal, maybe?) from a Google event at the university few years back. 15:43:06 I think we have an employee discount in the Google merchandize store. 15:43:37 https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/ <- this thing. 15:44:18 random people can just buy google-branded merch? 15:44:19 that's so fucked 15:44:53 it's a business 15:45:28 why would you want this google merch 15:45:47 We streamline our web products, so why not streamline your capuccino cup? This mug has an insulated band around, cleverly negating the need for a handle. With white Google logo printed onto the coloured band. 15:46:17 Cover your laptop in stickers. Cover your friend in stickers. Cover your cat in stickers (note: we do not recommend doing this). The countless ways to use these super cool stickers are waiting for you explore. The sheet contains 13 stickers of the full color Google logo. 15:46:31 These fabulously fresh, beautifully presented mints make as good a gift as they do enjoyed by you alone. Each individual mint comes printed with the mulit-coloured Google logo, and it's also on the lid, so you can re-use the tin when the mints are gone! 15:46:47 im sold 15:47:36 https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Brands/Chrome/15+Chrome+Squishable.axd 15:47:39 chrome plushie 15:48:09 finally chrome can be squishably soft 15:48:46 https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Brands/Android/Sportula+3-Piece+Set.axd?cid=689&page_no=3 what the fuck 15:49:05 you could furnish an entire house with just google merchandise 15:49:37 https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Brands/Android/Android+Meat+Brander.axd?cid=689&page_no=5 15:49:39 help 15:50:01 there was a "MEGA Android" for $70 but Sorry, we can't find that page! It might be an old link or maybe it moved. 15:50:02 On a scale from 0.0 to 1.0 how good is zero dark thirty 15:50:51 0 15:51:12 (unless you're a fan of torture porn propaganda) 15:52:40 I see 15:52:53 -!- incomprehensibly has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:55:06 -!- mbrcknl has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:55:52 -!- incomprehensibly has joined. 15:56:24 :D https://www.googlemerchandisestore.com/Google+Redesign/Fun/Go+Gopher+Blue+Squishable.axd?cid=1399 15:56:28 We streamline our web products, so why not streamline your capuccino cup? This mug has an insulated band around, cleverly negating the need for a handle. With white Google logo printed onto the coloured band. <-- we have coffee cups like that at work, I wouldn't recommend them, doesn't really work 15:57:04 (I don't know Go at all, though I'm mildly curious about it, but I love the weird gopher logo) 15:57:40 J_Arcane_: that is one of the few products in this store I wouldn't be terrified/vaguely repulsed to find in my house 15:58:05 -!- GeekDude has joined. 15:58:08 Yeah. Most of it's just stuff that no one will ever own unless they get it free for working at Google. 15:58:19 But that's just adorable, in a horrifying sort of way. 15:59:06 elliott: You mean it tries to justify torture? 16:00:32 -!- mbrcknl has joined. 16:02:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:07:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:09:08 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Changing server). 16:10:43 -!- shikhin has joined. 16:11:02 -!- Tritonio has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:11:58 -!- shikhin has quit (Client Quit). 16:12:05 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 16:12:14 -!- shikhin has joined. 16:24:40 although from a visual standpoint Saw is much worse 16:33:02 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:50:35 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:51:06 hm 16:52:25 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 16:52:43 -!- contrapumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 16:58:06 fizzie, there still? 16:58:30 fizzie, which postgresql python module did you use for the irc log import? 16:59:04 Also where is the code for it? I know I have it somewhere, but I'm not sure where 16:59:46 Also elliott I got a topic you might be interested in: the unsuitability of file systems. 17:00:25 elliott, basically, I find that the hierarchical model of file systems breaks down for your home directory, it starts out all nice and clean on a new install, and a few months down the line it is a mess. 17:00:42 Even if you try to keep it sorted 17:00:59 So I'm now wondering what a better option would be 17:05:07 Hm, some sort of tag cloud thingy perhaps? 17:06:07 You could have "pockets" of hierarchy (like a project with source code) as entries in the tag cloud. And the tag cloud itself, could still be found under /home/name 17:06:53 It would be hell to make it interoperate with existing unix tools though 17:10:50 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 17:11:06 -!- Gracenotes_ has joined. 17:11:10 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:15:25 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:15:48 -!- heroux has quit (*.net *.split). 17:15:48 -!- j-bot has quit (*.net *.split). 17:15:48 -!- TieSoul has quit (*.net *.split). 17:16:19 -!- heroux has joined. 17:20:08 -!- ocharles_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:22:40 -!- supay has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:25:25 -!- ocharles_ has joined. 17:29:21 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 17:30:58 -!- scarf has joined. 17:31:12 -!- scarf has changed nick to ais523. 17:33:25 -!- supay has joined. 17:34:01 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 17:35:39 Heh, I think tails is trying to bait me into revealing my "Reversed 8bit numbers" solution, he submitted improvements to two related problems. 17:37:57 He's not that far away anyway, I expect he'll get there. 17:41:50 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 17:46:23 HTML5 parsing is a mess... 17:49:43 https://github.com/FMNSSun/hs-shenanigans/blob/master/html.hs <- you should use CoolHTML 17:49:54 -!- bb010g has joined. 17:50:08 Vorpal: psycopg2, and I don't think I've shared my log stuff anywhere, it's all pretty ad-hoc. 17:52:37 mroman_: that's closer to xml than html. html allows many end tags (and even some start tags) to be omitted. 17:53:40 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#optional-tags 17:53:59 hm

would be a commonly omitted start tag, no 17:54:46 because it's used as if it's a delimiter despite theoretically being a tag surrounding the whole paragraph 17:55:19 http://104.167.104.168/index.html is valid HTML5, for example. 17:55:57 -!- GeekDude has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:57:09 (and the

can be omitted, too. isn't that fun) 17:57:44 though obviously that results in a different parse tree 17:57:50 why is there a stupid "Add developer-view styles" button hovering (too close too) in the middle of the page 17:58:31 even w3.org cannot design properly :( 17:58:50 which page? 17:58:50 fizzie, hm you shared some code with me, then I rewrote part of it iircf 17:58:52 iirc* 17:59:21 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#optional-tags 17:59:33 mroman_, I'm using BeautifulSoup4 (python) for web scraping, since I used it before, and thus know it. 17:59:54 oerjan: looks fine without javascript? let me enable it... 18:00:02 mroman_, Also the document is not well-formed 18:00:36 oerjan: I see. Still, it looks fine without Javascript, so I didn't notice. 18:00:37 mroman_, the issue I'm facing atm is that it has int-e, I see the button, it is in the top left 18:02:09 Vorpal: funny, it appeared near the top right for me 18:02:16 Err yeah top right I meant 18:02:19 in firefox 18:02:45 right, iceweasel, debian rebranded firefox, here 18:03:02 Same in chromium though 18:03:29 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:04:09 earthbadger 18:04:57 fizzie, anyway, the issue with psycopg2 is that it doesn't appear to support prepared statements 18:05:03 Which is rather annoying 18:05:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:06:15 -!- Qfwfq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:06:33 oerjan: ok, one Haskell entry for Evil Numbers, but it doesn't feel optimal yet 18:07:47 int-e, what constitutes an evil number? 18:08:04 http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Evil+Numbers -- I guess it's a pun on "even" 18:08:48 it's also the indices of 0's in the thue-morse sequence, i think 18:08:51 Ah 18:09:14 * oerjan now waits for int-e to use that to shorten it 18:09:45 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 18:10:51 oerjan: I knew that 18:10:57 good, good 18:11:03 Hm how does virtualenv in python work? 18:11:19 That might help with this mess of modules 18:13:09 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:14:52 -!- Qfwfq has joined. 18:15:04 you could furnish an entire house with just google merchandise <-- let me guess, someone already did. 18:15:34 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 18:16:17 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 18:18:59 -!- CADD has joined. 18:20:16 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:20:36 Vorpal: only an idiot writes fail-safe parsers 18:20:38 seriously 18:20:56 why the hell did people start writing parsing that try to make sense of illegal stuff 18:21:01 *parsers 18:21:05 mroman_, I have no idea 18:21:10 mroman_: hehe 18:21:17 that's like writing a compiler who doesn't say "error" 18:21:25 The web would have been better if browsers had been strict from the get go 18:21:29 but rather tries to continue compiling in a creepy way 18:21:35 mroman_, uh, some scripting languages are a bit like that. 18:21:56 javascript obviously to some extent 18:22:19 -!- TieSoul has joined. 18:22:29 Though not to the extent of HTML afaik 18:22:58 html parser should've failed hard from the beginning on 18:23:08 *parsers 18:23:10 exactly what I just said 18:23:13 mroman_: because idiots were supposed to create web pages 18:23:19 too late now 18:23:55 int-e: the same way idiots were supposed to write SQL queries? 18:24:05 Is SQL accepting? 18:24:19 I'm less sure about SQL 18:24:36 no but I thought it was designed for idiots to use 18:24:47 I.e. "ask questions in an 'english' fashion" 18:25:14 mroman_: also there's a competitive factor. if a webpage looks good in one browser and bad (i.e. because an error is displayed instead) in anohter, clearly the former browser must be superior to the latter, right? 18:25:18 so the html guys tried the same thing but noticed rather than trying to make a language that looks like english they just write parsers that do some guesswork :p? 18:26:05 int-e: uhm... no 18:26:10 unless there's a rendering error 18:26:12 I don't think SQL is a bad language as such, a bit overly verbose yes, but not all traditional languages are compact. 18:26:20 mroman_: don't think like a programmer, think like a user 18:26:40 Though I guess for example Pascal was also designed to be used by if not idiots at least beginners 18:26:46 like it or not, there are *many* more users than programmers out there 18:26:55 I know :) 18:27:03 but it's the web developers fault 18:27:20 I don't think they had much choice. 18:27:23 Browsers could have displayed something like 18:27:45 management would've vetoed them. 18:28:00 Ok hard to come up with a cool message 18:28:21 but it could have said something like "This website isn't standard conform" 18:28:53 "please contact the web site admin" 18:29:10 They should've convinced the user that it's the web admins fault, which it actually really is. 18:29:32 like they do with SSL certs nowadays 18:29:54 mroman_: I honestly believe that it wouldn't have worked. 18:30:23 that depends... 18:30:38 If browsers wouldn't display your page you would have motive to use correct HTML as a web site admin 18:30:57 The same way you had motive to make your web page look good even in browsers that render stuff incorrectly 18:31:27 haha 18:31:33 "designed for IE4" 18:32:09 Although users probably don't care about incorrect rendering 18:32:26 because web site admins fixed it for them by using hacks to make it look good 18:32:48 yeah, the quirks machinery works both ways. 18:33:00 I can't say what would have happened 18:33:07 It's trikcy 18:33:10 *tricky 18:33:36 if all browsers would have gone the path of only accepting correct html then web site admins would have had enough incentive to use correct html 18:33:56 I don't remember if it is firefox or some other browser that when you want to bypass an SSL error it defaults to adding a permanent exception, which is rather stupid I think 18:34:19 but of course, it could have gone the other way as well, like you said 18:34:29 where "displaying incorrect html" is a competitive advantage 18:36:05 surely it would be easier to write a strict parser than a lenient parser 18:36:38 Vorpal: I'm not sure. HTML pretended to be SGML for a long time, which has things like omitting tags... 18:37:12 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 18:37:14 int-e, hm true 18:37:23 it didn't come from xml 18:37:38 Why on earth sgml had that I have no idea though 18:37:56 Because it was made for people writing documents with markup? 18:38:09 Isn't it you can use to close the last opened tag? And only lynx supports it 18:38:13 out of the browsers I tested 18:38:37 I mean this falls under the headline of "markup minimization", so the incentive seems fairly clear. 18:39:20 I don't know about 18:39:26 Hm 18:40:13 FWIW, I like XHTML. 18:41:22 I don't really like XHTML either 18:42:10 Vorpal: Yep, that's standard SGML. 18:42:18 I'm not sure what a good format would be though, XML + CSS sounds good on paper, but would probably turn out horribly in practice 18:42:30 Vorpal: you seem to be right about . 18:42:36 int-e: "Pretended" hell. HTML literally claimed to be SGML and the official validator parsed as SGML. 18:42:57 The problem is, no browsers but Lynx actually did that. :) 18:43:50 So they didn't even write a strict-or-lenient parser, they all straight up wrote wrong ones. 18:43:57 -!- hjulle has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:44:12 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:44:22 pikhq, I seem to remember lynx didn't handle something else though 18:44:27 -!- hjulle has joined. 18:44:30 And it worked! (90% of the time) 18:50:17 basically humans aren't designed to be able to keep systems elegant without life being at stake 18:50:49 (at stake at every point, not just in the future) 18:51:13 Indeed 18:51:51 [wiki] [[LecRAM]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41725&oldid=38231 * SEnergy * (-2625) Updated to new version of language 18:52:24 [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * SEnergy * moved [[LecRAM]] to [[CBR (Cleverer Brainfuck)]] 18:53:38 oerjan, I worked with safety systems at work and I'm probably under NDA for the details, but that is one of the simplest and most elegant APIs to talk to the devices I have seen. 18:53:38 Therefore we should make automated elegance murder bots. 18:53:48 Commit an act of inelegance and you shall be murdered. 18:53:53 Hah 18:57:22 pikhq: can you make them murder people who make NDAs too, while you're at it? 18:58:51 oerjan, that would be nice too yes 18:58:55 everything open source 19:01:34 NDAs are inelegant. 19:02:02 is not the only silly SGML thing, there's that xxx thing too. 19:02:40 oh yeah that too 19:08:56 -!- arjanb has joined. 19:09:55 i think irregular webcomic has been more irregular in the past year than all the previous decade put together. 19:10:09 -!- copumpkin has joined. 19:10:13 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:10:41 -!- AndoDaan_ has joined. 19:11:04 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 19:14:43 -!- anapumpkin has joined. 19:15:03 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:15:53 -!- anapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 19:16:15 -!- contrapumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:17:34 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 19:20:27 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:20:43 -!- contrapumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 19:42:05 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 19:50:47 * oerjan whistles innocently 19:56:58 basically humans aren't designed to be able to keep systems elegant without life being at stake <-- and when lifes are at stake, things usually get ugly, hth 19:57:31 tdnh 19:57:50 ah good, now I have a new target, thanks oerjan 19:58:39 yw 20:08:18 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:09:24 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:12:12 -!- copumpkin has joined. 20:16:08 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 20:18:58 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 20:20:23 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:28:45 -!- coppro_ has changed nick to coppro. 20:28:52 -!- skj3gg has joined. 20:33:36 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:35:22 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 20:39:37 -!- shikhin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:40:27 -!- shikhin has joined. 20:42:53 -!- incomprehensibly has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:44:21 -!- mbrcknl has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:49:37 -!- skj3gg has joined. 20:51:01 -!- skj3gg has quit (Client Quit). 20:52:23 -!- skj3gg has joined. 21:06:08 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 21:08:27 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:09:19 -!- AndoDaan_ has changed nick to AndoDaan. 21:39:00 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 21:42:11 -!- Tritonio has joined. 21:53:56 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:58:02 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:11:52 -!- ^v^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:12:17 -!- ^v^v has joined. 22:13:17 -!- skj3gg has joined. 22:21:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 22:22:12 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 22:23:06 -!- incomprehensibly has joined. 22:23:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Client Quit). 22:27:22 -!- tswett has joined. 22:30:21 -!- Zefphex has joined. 22:30:28 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:33:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 22:33:47 Zefphellox. 22:34:03 Boiling water 22:34:58 Hallo 22:36:39 /bwali/, not /bʌjli/ hth 22:37:00 Wat 22:37:45 it's pronounced bwah-LEE, with a short EE. 22:38:10 boiling bwater may be more accurate. 22:38:19 -!- tswett has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi). 22:38:29 so boily is your real name 22:38:47 -!- Zefphex has set topic: Creepy Suzan | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 22:38:57 it's my family name indeed. 22:39:08 Amazing 22:39:24 I thought it was pronounced Boy-lee 22:39:49 nope. French name. 22:40:00 Oh mai 22:40:07 So you have a France name 22:40:09 oh! 22:40:17 it's pronounced as a French word? 22:40:22 or quebecois 22:40:23 I'm Québécois. 22:40:27 Interestingly I do not pronounce "boily" (not the name) quite as "Boy-lee" 22:40:36 I pronounce it boy-uh-lee 22:41:23 but I shall remorselessly disappear. food time. 22:41:36 I ought to eat... 22:41:42 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TRIGOTILLECTOMIC CHICKEN). 22:41:42 Me too 22:42:06 is there a way of telling vlc to please stop defaulting to 'discard all samples' as an audio device 22:42:43 -!- tswett_ has joined. 22:42:43 -!- tswett_ has quit (Changing host). 22:42:43 -!- tswett_ has joined. 22:43:12 Delete it 22:43:20 Is the simple answer 22:43:36 Sorry I'm not helpful, What's Vlc? 22:43:46 media player 22:45:07 -!- hjulle has joined. 22:45:18 -!- tswett_ has quit (Client Quit). 22:46:28 I'm still sad about Google Wave 22:47:38 Didn't someone start their own? 22:47:42 Or am I misremembering 22:48:06 Copyright was transferred to Apache and it's Open Source, but it never caught on 22:49:43 -!- copumpkin has joined. 22:49:57 -!- mbrcknl has joined. 22:51:49 (standing?) wave in a box in an incubator 22:53:07 Google wave?? 22:53:42 Zefphex, it was an underrated novel communication platform Google came out with a few years ago 22:53:52 Sgeo: you should just be dissapointed by all Google products 22:54:11 The search engine is albiet "Decent" 22:54:23 Not amazing 22:54:51 But I'm sure it could correct that typo. 22:54:58 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Quit: bbl). 22:55:13 Yup 22:55:34 I am after All just a child 22:56:07 There's some truth to this, though. Things do not automatically become cool just by sticking a Google label on them. 22:56:43 Gazoogle Eye wear 22:56:52 Stick a tv in your eye 22:57:18 Ok, but now I have only one eye.... why did I do this? 22:58:32 So you can watch porn in class? 22:58:37 Biology! 22:58:59 depends on the country 22:59:44 How much money would it take to cover the entire planet in a wi-fi bubble? 22:59:44 If by "can" you mean being allowed to. 23:00:04 You can / if you could 23:00:13 Ugh, too much. The oceans will be tricky. 23:00:38 Yes, With tidal waves and earthquakes 23:01:17 Is int-e a cat? 23:01:46 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:02:02 Zefphex: I was on a podcast at the time and we used Wave to organize shows. Great concept, but it could be rather sluggish. I wonder how well something like it would run now that the browsers are stepping it up performance wise. 23:02:34 water fox is fast 23:03:08 Also If only the wi-fi could be transmitted through water expanses like oceans and seas 23:03:55 I get 10^11 base stations at ~150m range 23:04:04 Why does every one have an underscore at the end of their name 23:04:16 That's cool 23:04:18 Zefphex: And no I'm not a cat. Never been one, don't want to be one. 23:04:33 Ah, Makes sense 23:05:06 Some clients default to appending _ when a nick is not available. 23:05:13 Zefphex: I'm still really suspicious of Waterfox for some reason. 23:05:57 it crashes on bash scripts and regex 23:06:20 That's probably why 23:06:47 J_Arcane_: is your nick registered if so Set enforce and the ghost anyone using it 23:06:57 ￦_￦ 23:07:02 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 23:08:18 wait "it crashes on bash scripts" - I thought this was supposed to be a web browser? 23:11:24 Or um 23:11:34 That's what someone told me when they used it. 23:11:44 I personally have never used it. 23:12:00 . o O ( It was probably a subtle case of browser bashing. ) 23:12:27 Be a true warrior and use Msn browser 23:13:12 Yeah int-e since water fox has somewhat the same code as firefox since its an alternate of firefox 23:13:26 Or if they had palemoon installed then that could happen 23:13:45 Zefphex: next you're going to suggest AOL desktop... 23:13:48 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin_. 23:14:08 -!- copumpkin_ has changed nick to copumpkin. 23:14:09 Muahahha 23:22:32 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Quit: storm!!!!). 23:23:51 I'm currently using Opera. 23:25:01 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 23:28:22 I think I actually kinda hate it. 23:38:13 Lol 23:40:45 -!- Sgeo|web has joined. 23:40:58 The Chrome-inside Opera or the proprietary-inside Opera? 23:41:04 Also, fuck Quassel 23:41:11 Don't use Chrome 23:41:22 It'll connect you to the bot net 23:41:23 :0 23:41:25 The latest Opera is based on the Chrome rendering engine 23:42:39 Sgeo|web: the former. 23:42:58 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 23:43:13 Yeah, it's basically just Chrome with bits carved out of it, and more bugs. 23:43:52 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:44:31 Tried to say something in QUassel 23:44:35 It didn't reach here yet 23:45:20 -!- skj3gg has joined. 23:46:11 Can I type the word proprietary-inside without freezing? 23:46:15 For some reason I got a bit of a wild hair to try and cut out more of the Google panopticon from my life. 23:46:57 This is sort of problematic, because as far as Chrome has fallen, everything else is pretty much worse. 23:47:11 DuckDuckGo isn't bad though. It's 'good enough' for most things. 23:47:45 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 23:49:21 -!- Sgeo|web has quit (Quit: Page closed). 23:49:32 Does Google Cardboard count as too Google for you? 23:50:29 -!- skj3gg has quit (Quit: ZZZzzz…). 23:50:44 -!- skj3gg has joined. 23:51:11 heh. it's not like I'm not a hypocrite here; Gmail is still my main email.