would be a commonly omitted start tag, no < 1422208486 809338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's used as if it's a delimiter despite theoretically being a tag surrounding the whole paragraph < 1422208519 825713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://104.167.104.168/index.html is valid HTML5, for example. < 1422208557 148141 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422208629 523112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the

can be omitted, too. isn't that fun) < 1422208664 933877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though obviously that results in a different parse tree < 1422208670 112572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a stupid "Add developer-view styles" button hovering (too close too) in the middle of the page < 1422208711 364123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even w3.org cannot design properly :( < 1422208730 338847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which page? < 1422208730 492264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm you shared some code with me, then I rewrote part of it iircf < 1422208732 131503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc* < 1422208761 349688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/syntax.html#optional-tags < 1422208773 347741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I'm using BeautifulSoup4 (python) for web scraping, since I used it before, and thus know it. < 1422208794 81412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looks fine without javascript? let me enable it... < 1422208802 247478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, Also the document is not well-formed < 1422208836 385599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see. Still, it looks fine without Javascript, so I didn't notice. < 1422208837 407198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, the issue I'm facing atm is that it has you could furnish an entire house with just google merchandise <-- let me guess, someone already did. < 1422209734 852207 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1422209777 918304 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1422209939 77935 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422210016 64293 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422210036 306248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only an idiot writes fail-safe parsers < 1422210038 944587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1422210056 151108 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell did people start writing parsing that try to make sense of illegal stuff < 1422210061 914033 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parsers < 1422210065 808209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I have no idea < 1422210070 429415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hehe < 1422210077 533129 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like writing a compiler who doesn't say "error" < 1422210085 5291 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web would have been better if browsers had been strict from the get go < 1422210089 33619 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather tries to continue compiling in a creepy way < 1422210095 331507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, uh, some scripting languages are a bit like that. < 1422210116 770826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript obviously to some extent < 1422210139 395297 :TieSoul!56597793@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422210149 478192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not to the extent of HTML afaik < 1422210178 747864 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :html parser should've failed hard from the beginning on < 1422210188 926897 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parsers < 1422210190 157534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly what I just said < 1422210193 178112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: because idiots were supposed to create web pages < 1422210199 66955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late now < 1422210235 200898 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the same way idiots were supposed to write SQL queries? < 1422210245 134380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is SQL accepting? < 1422210259 740152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm less sure about SQL < 1422210276 603482 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but I thought it was designed for idiots to use < 1422210287 11307 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. "ask questions in an 'english' fashion" < 1422210314 505951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: also there's a competitive factor. if a webpage looks good in one browser and bad (i.e. because an error is displayed instead) in anohter, clearly the former browser must be superior to the latter, right? < 1422210318 687562 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the html guys tried the same thing but noticed rather than trying to make a language that looks like english they just write parsers that do some guesswork :p? < 1422210365 630176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: uhm... no < 1422210370 782085 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's a rendering error < 1422210372 222410 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think SQL is a bad language as such, a bit overly verbose yes, but not all traditional languages are compact. < 1422210380 633807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: don't think like a programmer, think like a user < 1422210400 319187 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess for example Pascal was also designed to be used by if not idiots at least beginners < 1422210406 717852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it or not, there are *many* more users than programmers out there < 1422210415 544053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :) < 1422210423 620742 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the web developers fault < 1422210440 662813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they had much choice. < 1422210443 342948 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers could have displayed something like < 1422210465 17528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :management would've vetoed them. < 1422210480 191602 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok hard to come up with a cool message < 1422210501 5034 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could have said something like "This website isn't standard conform" < 1422210533 805212 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"please contact the web site admin" < 1422210550 111001 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should've convinced the user that it's the web admins fault, which it actually really is. < 1422210572 70141 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they do with SSL certs nowadays < 1422210594 913025 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I honestly believe that it wouldn't have worked. < 1422210623 11824 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends... < 1422210638 341231 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If browsers wouldn't display your page you would have motive to use correct HTML as a web site admin < 1422210657 980761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way you had motive to make your web page look good even in browsers that render stuff incorrectly < 1422210687 633667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1422210693 385605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"designed for IE4" < 1422210729 449209 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although users probably don't care about incorrect rendering < 1422210746 511935 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because web site admins fixed it for them by using hacks to make it look good < 1422210768 526126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the quirks machinery works both ways. < 1422210780 708114 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say what would have happened < 1422210787 901974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trikcy < 1422210790 485111 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tricky < 1422210816 582968 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all browsers would have gone the path of only accepting correct html then web site admins would have had enough incentive to use correct html < 1422210836 582769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if it is firefox or some other browser that when you want to bypass an SSL error it defaults to adding a permanent exception, which is rather stupid I think < 1422210859 417072 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, it could have gone the other way as well, like you said < 1422210869 867523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "displaying incorrect html" is a competitive advantage < 1422210965 756216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it would be easier to write a strict parser than a lenient parser < 1422210998 896910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure. HTML pretended to be SGML for a long time, which has things like omitting tags... < 1422211032 534607 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1422211034 346356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, hm true < 1422211043 980743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't come from xml < 1422211058 278010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why on earth sgml had that I have no idea though < 1422211076 980270 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was made for people writing documents with markup? < 1422211089 602776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it you can use to close the last opened tag? And only lynx supports it < 1422211093 673190 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the browsers I tested < 1422211117 986719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean this falls under the headline of "markup minimization", so the incentive seems fairly clear. < 1422211160 953811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about < 1422211166 207719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1422211213 747763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I like XHTML. < 1422211282 512704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like XHTML either < 1422211330 939730 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yep, that's standard SGML. < 1422211338 629786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what a good format would be though, XML + CSS sounds good on paper, but would probably turn out horribly in practice < 1422211350 244040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you seem to be right about . < 1422211356 553688 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "Pretended" hell. HTML literally claimed to be SGML and the official validator parsed as SGML. < 1422211377 19009 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, no browsers but Lynx actually did that. :) < 1422211430 588387 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they didn't even write a strict-or-lenient parser, they all straight up wrote wrong ones. < 1422211437 613398 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422211452 142830 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422211462 531059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I seem to remember lynx didn't handle something else though < 1422211467 780360 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1422211470 134421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it worked! (90% of the time) < 1422211817 683060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically humans aren't designed to be able to keep systems elegant without life being at stake < 1422211849 250908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at stake at every point, not just in the future) < 1422211873 651377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1422211911 961481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LecRAM14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41725&oldid=38231 5* 03SEnergy 5* (-2625) 10Updated to new version of language < 1422211944 214967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03SEnergy 5* 10moved [[02LecRAM10]] to [[CBR (Cleverer Brainfuck)]] < 1422212018 690707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I worked with safety systems at work and I'm probably under NDA for the details, but that is one of the simplest and most elegant APIs to talk to the devices I have seen. < 1422212018 996660 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore we should make automated elegance murder bots. < 1422212028 842604 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commit an act of inelegance and you shall be murdered. < 1422212033 153878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1422212242 552971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can you make them murder people who make NDAs too, while you're at it? < 1422212331 367649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that would be nice too yes < 1422212335 284596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything open source < 1422212494 101675 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NDAs are inelegant. < 1422212522 596315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : is not the only silly SGML thing, there's that xxx thing too. < 1422212560 904541 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that too < 1422212936 215337 :arjanb!8259ac45@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.172.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422212995 711890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think irregular webcomic has been more irregular in the past year than all the previous decade put together. < 1422213009 269177 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422213013 259824 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.123 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422213041 429596 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422213064 484088 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422213283 585190 :anapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422213303 917377 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422213353 574820 :anapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1422213375 764446 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422213454 141008 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422213627 867458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422213643 159742 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1422214925 285610 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1422215447 513542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1422215818 31483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : basically humans aren't designed to be able to keep systems elegant without life being at stake <-- and when lifes are at stake, things usually get ugly, hth < 1422215851 360397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1422215870 497142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good, now I have a new target, thanks oerjan < 1422215919 81194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1422216498 281871 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422216564 616920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422216732 700949 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422216968 152576 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1422217138 466100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1422217223 902013 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1422217725 251019 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1422217732 969821 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422218016 343955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1422218122 8822 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422218377 580846 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422218427 287778 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422218573 316642 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnusnoktrpfkwzlc QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1422218661 99862 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wjbocciaiytclbjm QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1422218977 881402 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422219061 707254 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Client Quit < 1422219143 379609 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422219968 733858 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422220107 283266 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1422220159 661226 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.123 NICK :AndoDaan < 1422221940 888207 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1422222131 587041 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1422222836 166826 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1422223082 892728 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.123 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1422223912 93641 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:c087:4c03:9978:c72f QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1422223937 226528 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:c087:4c03:9978:c72f JOIN :#esoteric < 1422223997 355992 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422224505 260171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422224532 286313 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422224586 104440 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cungtekdpavvfnjz JOIN :#esoteric < 1422224613 25913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1422224842 781550 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1422225021 593796 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue JOIN :#esoteric < 1422225028 966184 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1422225182 270211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1422225227 193799 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphellox. < 1422225243 401730 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boiling water < 1422225298 53747 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallo < 1422225399 755376 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bwali/, not /bʌjli/ hth < 1422225420 280419 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat < 1422225465 105057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pronounced bwah-LEE, with a short EE. < 1422225490 6971 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boiling bwater may be more accurate. < 1422225499 422209 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1422225509 612015 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :so boily is your real name < 1422225527 275882 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue TOPIC #esoteric :Creepy Suzan | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1422225537 447339 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my family name indeed. < 1422225548 280252 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing < 1422225564 506803 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was pronounced Boy-lee < 1422225589 185525 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. French name. < 1422225600 874213 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mai < 1422225607 993662 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have a France name < 1422225609 10851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1422225617 705007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pronounced as a French word? < 1422225622 332029 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or quebecois < 1422225623 945443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Québécois. < 1422225627 136566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly I do not pronounce "boily" (not the name) quite as "Boy-lee" < 1422225636 668120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it boy-uh-lee < 1422225683 750583 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I shall remorselessly disappear. food time. < 1422225696 905707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to eat... < 1422225702 210953 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TRIGOTILLECTOMIC CHICKEN < 1422225702 956948 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too < 1422225726 384828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way of telling vlc to please stop defaulting to 'discard all samples' as an audio device < 1422225763 496688 :tswett_!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422225763 650194 :tswett_!~tswett@c-98-243-16-185.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1422225763 650293 :tswett_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1422225792 380344 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delete it < 1422225800 190388 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the simple answer < 1422225816 404088 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I'm not helpful, What's Vlc? < 1422225826 217458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :media player < 1422225907 803004 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1422225918 398877 :tswett_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Client Quit < 1422225988 706292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still sad about Google Wave < 1422226058 935013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't someone start their own? < 1422226062 990385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I misremembering < 1422226086 476926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright was transferred to Apache and it's Open Source, but it never caught on < 1422226183 944700 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1422226197 590753 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zynpgrrbvnvpasny JOIN :#esoteric < 1422226309 406050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(standing?) wave in a box in an incubator < 1422226387 19183 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google wave?? < 1422226422 933798 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex, it was an underrated novel communication platform Google came out with a few years ago < 1422226432 294324 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should just be dissapointed by all Google products < 1422226451 994418 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :The search engine is albiet "Decent" < 1422226463 429040 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not amazing < 1422226491 431369 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm sure it could correct that typo. < 1422226498 367826 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.39 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1422226513 698549 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1422226534 304924 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am after All just a child < 1422226567 632662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some truth to this, though. Things do not automatically become cool just by sticking a Google label on them. < 1422226603 759690 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gazoogle Eye wear < 1422226612 149124 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick a tv in your eye < 1422226638 14024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, but now I have only one eye.... why did I do this? < 1422226712 791541 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can watch porn in class? < 1422226717 800099 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biology! < 1422226739 954416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the country < 1422226784 244308 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money would it take to cover the entire planet in a wi-fi bubble? < 1422226784 969784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "can" you mean being allowed to. < 1422226804 899544 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can / if you could < 1422226813 715335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, too much. The oceans will be tricky. < 1422226838 713303 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, With tidal waves and earthquakes < 1422226877 738982 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is int-e a cat? < 1422226906 807234 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1422226922 595490 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: I was on a podcast at the time and we used Wave to organize shows. Great concept, but it could be rather sluggish. I wonder how well something like it would run now that the browsers are stepping it up performance wise. < 1422226954 669639 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :water fox is fast < 1422226988 441973 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also If only the wi-fi could be transmitted through water expanses like oceans and seas < 1422227035 426034 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 10^11 base stations at ~150m range < 1422227044 9833 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does every one have an underscore at the end of their name < 1422227056 584647 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool < 1422227058 702238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: And no I'm not a cat. Never been one, don't want to be one. < 1422227073 91293 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Makes sense < 1422227106 234835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some clients default to appending _ when a nick is not available. < 1422227113 390120 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: I'm still really suspicious of Waterfox for some reason. < 1422227157 538063 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashes on bash scripts and regex < 1422227180 88808 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably why < 1422227207 406537 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane_: is your nick registered if so Set enforce and the ghost anyone using it < 1422227217 83486 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :￦_￦ < 1422227222 710645 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1422227298 170149 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait "it crashes on bash scripts" - I thought this was supposed to be a web browser? < 1422227484 24629 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or um < 1422227494 508519 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what someone told me when they used it. < 1422227504 715364 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally have never used it. < 1422227520 894988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( It was probably a subtle case of browser bashing. ) < 1422227547 540108 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be a true warrior and use Msn browser < 1422227592 598278 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah int-e since water fox has somewhat the same code as firefox since its an alternate of firefox < 1422227606 229735 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if they had palemoon installed then that could happen < 1422227625 210569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: next you're going to suggest AOL desktop... < 1422227628 149899 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin_ < 1422227648 553283 :copumpkin_!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1422227649 848349 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahha < 1422228152 250544 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: storm!!!! < 1422228231 661448 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently using Opera. < 1422228301 749802 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422228502 716987 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I actually kinda hate it. < 1422229093 354712 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1422229245 589338 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1422229258 243339 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chrome-inside Opera or the proprietary-inside Opera? < 1422229264 518947 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, fuck Quassel < 1422229271 488968 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use Chrome < 1422229282 921766 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll connect you to the bot net < 1422229283 487051 :Zefphex!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fupixirwthxdyyue PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1422229285 832681 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latest Opera is based on the Chrome rendering engine < 1422229359 601821 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: the former. < 1422229378 478462 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1422229393 483216 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's basically just Chrome with bits carved out of it, and more bugs. < 1422229432 409053 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1422229471 820099 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to say something in QUassel < 1422229475 673659 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't reach here yet < 1422229520 858735 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422229571 856391 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I type the word proprietary-inside without freezing? < 1422229575 728716 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I got a bit of a wild hair to try and cut out more of the Google panopticon from my life. < 1422229617 783284 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is sort of problematic, because as far as Chrome has fallen, everything else is pretty much worse. < 1422229631 612693 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DuckDuckGo isn't bad though. It's 'good enough' for most things. < 1422229665 619834 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1422229761 809958 :Sgeo|web!44c2aebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.174.188 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1422229772 857286 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Google Cardboard count as too Google for you? < 1422229829 765072 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz… < 1422229844 588853 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric < 1422229871 770127 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. it's not like I'm not a hypocrite here; Gmail is still my main email.