< 1421539282 953886 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1421540752 738674 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421540947 465750 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1421542378 48974 :S1!~S1@p4FF929B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1421542499 722547 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421543180 896580 :GeekCraft!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1421544446 230136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where help < 1421544446 380767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the code? Got the info? Then we've got the help for you! < 1421544452 696100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how helpful!) < 1421544577 349375 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has decided that MPTC + fundep is probably not enough to exploit the Typeable hole. The problem is that while fundeps express injectivity, the compiler still refuses to deduce b ~ b' from (Foo a b, Foo a b') with class Foo a b | a -> b. < 1421544701 229107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah, I've run into that before. < 1421544762 659611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess Leibniz equality certainly isn't enough for this. < 1421544888 256571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether GHC should do the optimization where it doesn't check the tag for a GADT where only a single summand is possible. < 1421544904 981166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your exploit code becomes more readable if one abbreviates the proxies: type A = Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *); type B = Proxy (Proxy :: (* -> *) -> *) < 1421544921 176407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've been doing that. < 1421544939 861751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I called them PT and P'T before, but I also switched to PX and PY for the non-DataKinds version. < 1421544982 29196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rather than 'munge' I added {-# NOINLINE ecast #-} < 1421545016 220240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was discussed above. < 1421545032 873744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan was trying to avoid pragmas for some reason. < 1421545051 399223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it's possible without kind signatures? < 1421545053 93739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but why... < 1421545080 579784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it matters if only TypeFamilies lets you do it. < 1421545383 81004 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421545599 102935 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1421545884 820360 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio < 1421546356 233348 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1421546604 727496 :Qfwfq!~WashIrvin@unaffiliated/washirving JOIN :#esoteric < 1421546954 333921 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421546996 792582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh but why... <-- i was just trying to avoid any extra things that might be easily disabled. < 1421547031 931046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pragmas seem like something you might sometimes want to disable for safety < 1421547058 629234 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've finally managed to implement BCT in MNNBFSL, I think. < 1421547067 402274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats! < 1421547082 733399 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1421548132 19009 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1421548190 436182 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1421548216 344639 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421549254 264079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t coerce < 1421549255 271328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Contravariant f, Functor f) => f a -> f b < 1421549267 751033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not that one < 1421549277 771872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t GHC.Exts.coerce < 1421549278 582457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Types.Coercible a b => a -> b < 1421549307 823413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> GHC.Exts.coerce 'a' :: Identity Char < 1421549308 996831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘GHC.Exts.coerce’ < 1421549516 294743 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1421549535 849868 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421550336 803831 :jbkcc!~textual@c-24-6-1-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1421550548 315055 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421550640 719980 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1421551044 104726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1421552035 622996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is amazing how many songs it is possible to sing to the tune of House of the Rising Sun <-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_metre < 1421552054 566148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poignant name < 1421552113 605978 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funptr < 1421552161 149298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that word doesn't mean what i thought it meant. :( < 1421552192 261073 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which word < 1421552201 447651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poignant < 1421552210 575900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you think it meant twh < 1421552213 156998 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean? < 1421552223 648764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing grace has to be the most vanilla melody _ever_, it's common metre _and_ pentatonal < 1421552232 118208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: appropriate < 1421552237 738115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: emotional < 1421552260 902486 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing < 1421552265 105846 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[| ] < 1421552287 973335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it _does_ mean that < 1421552306 536393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the google extracts were misleading < 1421552321 775828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1421552332 716517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :poignant means appropriate? < 1421552346 614294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, relevant < 1421552353 111858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3rd meaning on wiktionary < 1421552364 572574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough to fit how i used it, anyway < 1421552381 929724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1421552391 298653 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its emotionally Appropriate? < 1421552418 850814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i'm not sure those two meanings fit together like that < 1421552440 969064 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421552449 106388 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its better than emotionally inappropriate. < 1421554068 162642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421554098 313966 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421554286 317831 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1421554386 261288 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1421554407 398372 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1421556065 155612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh new golf < 1421556382 629557 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1421557405 243775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to optimize .XM file by making it automatically decide how to put patterns < 1421557447 4355 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a quick overview of xm format? < 1421557456 622962 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can think about compressing them < 1421557477 3199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find a document on my gopher server, as well as in other places < 1421557493 298071 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can patterns contain patters < 1421557496 667292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1421557504 219565 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can patterns overlap? < 1421557514 975294 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs < 1421557520 540469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1421557548 579286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pattern is a list of rows (note events), and the song consists of the list of patterns to play; it is possible to repeat a pattern < 1421557689 847931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend first it can unroll all loops, dumping it into memory without patterns and just rows, and figuring out the global loop point, and then performing optimization to compress the tables. < 1421557901 74236 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it could be possible to look for lots of repititions of a small length, then increase its size and see how many repitions drop off < 1421557914 697444 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can make a trade-off, choosing a good length of pattern to match < 1421557916 575909 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an idea < 1421558045 770283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of patterns, number of rows in each pattern, and number of items in the pattern order table, are all limited to 256. < 1421558624 774261 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1421558802 636045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can know how to unroll all loops and that stuff, but then the rest I don't know much about it < 1421559168 74686 :^v!notPing@0587351146.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421560052 748081 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream < 1421560372 684104 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [e^x] < 1421560376 687952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1421560380 885945 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahahha < 1421560403 416477 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm doing < 1421560405 985589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [e^x] < 1421560409 738899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1421560423 53489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1421560449 546521 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong ones I think < 1421560452 665982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e and x are of the Expr type, not ordinary numbers < 1421560462 279107 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1421560474 559402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think ^ treats x as if it were infinite < 1421560484 165992 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1421560485 540370 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1421560493 155967 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its supposed to square it < 1421560507 100990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it squares e < 1421560513 866559 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1421560517 813258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but x is divided by 2 < 1421560523 675801 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1421560540 202288 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess < 1421560543 823518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no matter how many times you divide it by 2, it never compares equal to 0 < 1421560557 68659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the recursion never stops < 1421560569 371821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (`div` 2) x < 1421560570 566093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [x,x `div` 2,x `div` 2 `div` 2,x `div` 2 `div` 2 `div` 2,x `div` 2 `div` 2 `... < 1421560578 751229 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1421560581 855720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (==0) $ iterate (`div` 2) x < 1421560583 214675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,Fal... < 1421560643 411556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Expr values are mainly for showing expressions in symbolic form, they support little else < 1421560660 652576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MNNBFSL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41696&oldid=41521 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+1665) 10BCT interpreter in MNNBFSL < 1421560668 277599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (2 `div`) x < 1421560669 575154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [x,2 `div` x,2 `div` (2 `div` x),2 `div` (2 `div` (2 `div` x)),2 `div` (2 `d... < 1421560683 385400 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4b+e^2)\frac{dx}{dy}(6*7)+8=0 < 1421560696 520985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's latex < 1421560700 801783 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I'm trying to fix < 1421560718 789695 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplify* < 1421560725 314578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think something is missing there < 1421560770 248492 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421560780 636771 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I was day dreaming a bit in class < 1421560815 732546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you're missing something at the beginning at least < 1421560843 739665 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (3 `div`) e < 1421560844 853992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [e,3 `div` e,3 `div` (3 `div` e),3 `div` (3 `div` (3 `div` e)),3 `div` (3 `d... < 1421560850 463483 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I c < 1421560862 970573 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes probably let me get my notes < 1421561087 737901 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :back ok so its a differntial equation < 1421561109 372959 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y(2x4+y)\frac{dy}{dx}=(1−4xy2)x2 and the last one was an older one from memory I think < 1421561204 86457 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quicklatex.com/cache3/ql_35ea3396669a170a74f119670e137b23_l3.png < 1421561246 253139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch you're missing superscripts < 1421561250 956731 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I see what's wrong God dammit, teachers < 1421561258 51808 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ < 1421561275 788206 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I think < 1421561308 5197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because putting numbers after variables is very unusual < 1421561320 546865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're sub- or superscripted < 1421561336 223273 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill ask my teacher tmrow < 1421561343 52453 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tommorow* < 1421561357 315842 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have weekend school / tutoring < 1421561381 885128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it weird that it has \frac but is missing the ^s for superscript < 1421561429 116623 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where should the ^s be placed? < 1421561430 640285 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421561440 208889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the variables and the following numbers < 1421561445 162408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*digits < 1421561456 836314 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1421561478 492162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume there are no multi-digit numbers, otherwise you would need {} brackets too < 1421561497 342097 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct < 1421561567 634589 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421561585 569834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has forgotten most of the diff eq stuff < 1421561608 245799 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo < 1421561622 88102 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways thanks oerjan for some help < 1421561628 465751 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill give credit < 1421561635 894127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1421561643 966738 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 points < 1421561684 170989 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzz... < 1421561700 631914 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf NICK :Lilax|sleep < 1421561823 71203 :^v!notPing@0587351146.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1421561934 563884 :Froox!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-124-108.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1421562171 845793 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-124-108.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1421562433 501507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I make up "Healing Deal" card: You gain 12 life. Remove all counters from all players. Target opponent draws 4 cards, and then chooses 4 cards from your graveyard and shuffles them into your library. If you do not have that many cards in your graveyard, all of them are shuffled into your library. That opponent may untap a permanent of his choice; if he doesn't, he may gain 2 life. < 1421562481 204104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What counters can a player have other than poison? < 1421562514 596015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1421562544 661918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should say "his or her" the way MtG cards do. < 1421562616 881395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to abbreviate it. < 1421562638 303373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should abbreviate with e.g. "their" rather than his. < 1421562661 540202 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a stand and go with "it" < 1421562715 303885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take a s/h/it < 1421563395 9619 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1421563418 288783 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b40e:716b:e7d5:ad15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421563830 28777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up a card "Dimir Ciphermage" which can have +1/+1 for each card encoded on it. < 1421564298 656692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: oerjan: can we not do that in response to sincere requests? < 1421564399 72683 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the boss < 1421564591 988824 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1421565764 171408 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :%clone%clone% < 1421565770 991320 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot sleep < 1421566977 931299 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1421567001 529478 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to shorten the server msg I get for calling for server/port info < 1421567010 269664 :Lilax|sleep!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf NICK :Lilax < 1421567038 709539 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it like shows how many errors and stuff I have plus server load and how many bytes pass through < 1421568092 746237 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it bad if I force add nicks that are past the nick limit < 1421570807 978412 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1421571546 326944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what to do with that toy VPS (except marvel at how laggy it is)... http://104.167.104.168/ < 1421571562 842655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems fast to me < 1421571565 757687 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, can you run xen microkernels like mirage? < 1421571584 284553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get ~112ms ping < 1421571588 212391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not that great. < 1421571594 511649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I just logged in and it took seconds! to get a shell. < 1421571608 296883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe just try and use 100% CPU/network/disk 24/7 to help sabotage their business model < 1421571616 327950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this has not happened on the lambdabot one) < 1421571618 160089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, are you sure that wasn't because of reverse DNS lookups or whatever < 1421571625 402321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh does that without "UseDNS no" < 1421571631 493244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, let me check < 1421571809 862796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess that was part of it. < 1421571961 812073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly I think a lot of stuff was swapped out < 1421572269 73318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can xen swap VM memory like that? < 1421572273 373707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scary < 1421572283 177957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it even xen?) < 1421572285 179280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421572720 55822 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1421572802 826757 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1421572967 966144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I don't think we've reached the point where one can nest hypervisors yet, have we? < 1421572998 940331 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hvae no idea < 1421573020 225126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested virtualisation is a thing, but mirage creates machines to run on xen, not hypervisors < 1421573024 566291 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asking because i have agood one you could run < 1421573036 414117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if cloudatcost lets you upload, like, your own kernel thing, you should maybe be able to do it < 1421573044 960690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of xen providers don't allow that though < 1421573301 330418 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.220 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1421573350 157550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading kernels works fine. with good timing I can evel select from the grub boot menu if I give that enough time... but it's already running under a hypervisor (a vmware one judging by the boot BIOS splash) so a Xen kernel shouldn't work. (Oh there are people crazy enough to do such things. "HVX employs a technology called Binary Translation ..." err, right. that would work.) < 1421573379 591146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with good timing I can eve// (didn't delete as much as I wanted) < 1421573441 883633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: to be clear: by "xen kernel" here, I mean that mirage kernels run as guests on top of a xen hypervisor (i.e., they are domUs) < 1421573468 23517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirage is not itself a hypervisor, just a toolkit to write OSes that only run under the Xen hypervisor (paravirtualised IO only, etc.) < 1421573475 904415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, vmware means no chance < 1421573547 885290 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1421573683 29107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if you'd ever like the VPS taken out of your hands I can handle the burden :p < 1421573696 331876 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421573876 388692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right. < 1421573901 424753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and give up my canadian IP? no way!) < 1421573936 31371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, if it's good for nothing it might still be handy as a proxy. < 1421573945 461260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should run a tor relay on it < 1421573952 824382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's kind of a great use < 1421573960 39599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$35/lifetime tor relay < 1421573969 591362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection is probably fine for it, downtime doesn't matter too much < 1421574001 556938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with some luck I'll get to test how those indemnification clauses work out overseas. < 1421574046 92782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1421574056 820848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be for tor exit nodes < 1421574068 596193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now... < 1421574078 284412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor _relays_ won't even get you angry emails, I don't think -- you're never going to be contacting anything but other tor nodes < 1421574078 954227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah whatever. it's an idea all right < 1421574087 569150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you never see any unencrypted content < 1421574525 397150 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :8. Other Prohibited Activities "Maintaining a relay service open to the general public" < 1421574545 333068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot even run an IRC server! < 1421574569 840231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, the general public mostly can't use IRC < 1421574635 29435 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that means you cant run a web server either? < 1421574647 271652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what counts as a "relay" < 1421574656 339065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1421574656 490812 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people host a Tor exit node on this provider. They don't seem to properly monitor their nodes. < 1421574663 553024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably meant to ban proxies, not servers in general < 1421574758 697553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's malleable, as usual with ToS agreements. < 1421574874 382183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1421574874 569918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use them for Tor Relays. Their network abuse management is non-existent. < 1421574881 137748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE FIREFOX. < 1421574895 422602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1421574904 857721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm selecting a line by double-clicking, it decides to prepend a newline. < 1421574915 216822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS MAKES NO SENSE. < 1421574939 505086 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, calm again. < 1421574953 485573 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused /it tooks seconds to get a shell/ seconds isn't that long?! < 1421574974 216174 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was way back in the conversation as I can see now < 1421574985 706178 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate when things don't load < 1421575038 744998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: i'm pretty sure that was the point < 1421575051 653737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1421575075 760561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sentence is ambiguous, you should try commas < 1421575089 372496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes <1s to start an ssh shell on my server here < 1421575090 468874 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try that < 1421575100 75104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the /.../ was a quote < 1421575105 995410 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that long for you? < 1421575125 3731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1s to open a shell is fine. 5s wouldn't be. I open new terminals and log into my server frequently < 1421575130 634063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but i interpreted the rest as "seconds, isn't that long" < 1421575134 440624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason for it to be slow, anyway < 1421575144 501846 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well elliott 5s isn't that slow < 1421575147 465395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i got confused by lack of a comma after the quote < 1421575151 432544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1421575153 494532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh is fas < 1421575154 913238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fast < 1421575157 912236 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pssht < 1421575166 384602 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm never used to fast stuff < 1421575170 677345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: yes it is long. this is just negotiation an ssh connection and displaying a prompt. < 1421575172 298408 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421575186 621880 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of weight on my server < 1421575210 403715 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just today I took twenty minutes to log into a machine. Turns out it was thrashing < 1421575217 521281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. It's all those other people running their servers on the same host ;-) < 1421575220 802296 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whenever I use a school computer I'm like WHAT?! this is so fast /o/ _|__|_ < 1421575262 779413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what OS does your server run on < 1421575264 455690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: Oh and don't get me wrong, that wasn't a complaint. < 1421575275 335864 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows ;-; < 1421575283 468092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WOULD DO IT < 1421575285 528953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: I didn't expect any better from that provider. :) < 1421575292 291745 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.1 server < 1421575295 471905 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I learned that some of ubuntu's login scripts are written in python) < 1421575301 300597 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1421575321 963385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I'm running 7.1. ;-) < 1421575325 695808 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were reffering to my schools server, elliott < 1421575343 146679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except I guess you mean Windows and I mean Debian) < 1421575357 915368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant your server that has a lot of weight on it < 1421575390 379923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I guess you mean Windows Server 2012 R2, but yeah < 1421575430 316599 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah the weight comes from it being connected to a couple chat servers < 1421575473 151590 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but elliott I run VirtualBox on my server and Void Linux on my personal < 1421575483 558747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1421575487 286519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what OS is virtualbox running on? < 1421575489 774735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what OS is running inside it? < 1421575489 925288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you ever identify Windows 95 as MS-DOS 7.0? < 1421575521 533478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may be too young, I forgot) < 1421575527 380338 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well Then you should have stated that < 1421575548 957801 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows < 1421575557 576897 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye so I wasn't mistaken maybe? < 1421575560 341378 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1421575565 429490 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused < 1421575583 479110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I went windows 3.11 -> windows 98 -> windows Me or something. < 1421575592 846347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(windows 3.11 in 1998-ish) < 1421575595 175456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: me too... < 1421575604 461463 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sits in corner < 1421575610 556296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox lets you run an OS on top of another OS... what are the two OSes in question? < 1421575624 851755 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu and windows < 1421575629 384060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know of the windows-only MS DOS versions though < 1421575632 431490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok, Windows 98 was MS-DOS 8.0 for its DOS part. < 1421575635 326929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay. < 1421575639 839299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re lilax) < 1421575650 402663 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat < 1421575651 951932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I skipped that one) < 1421575669 646319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows me was so great, I used it until like 2006 or something < 1421575676 830416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by great I mean intolerably awful < 1421575690 941385 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first computer was windows XP < 1421575711 205302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like msdos 5.5 msdos 6.0 win 3.0 win 3.11 win 95 win XP, win 7. < 1421575720 684689 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1421575723 497030 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's what i had till i got angry as all hell and stopped using it < 1421575752 339351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I've only used the latter 2 for playing games) < 1421575768 797247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I have no idea how people get any work done with windows < 1421575801 515322 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you see int-e.. They don't. < 1421575901 906902 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if I'm correct those are some pretty old OS < 1421575987 792103 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS's < 1421576082 904248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 7 is "only" five and a half years old < 1421576097 261724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, less. < 1421576135 126339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm buying Windows with new computers, and this one is 4 years old now. < 1421576137 216695 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was 10 yr 5 months when 7 came out? < 1421576152 571125 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty old for me < 1421576166 708455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, 16 year olds were born in 1999 these days? < 1421576169 518503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's terrifying < 1421576183 769605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Windows 8 had just came out, I think, and it was obviously crap) < 1421576186 116596 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my relative view of time is skewed < 1421576193 744421 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 11 yrs old < 1421576193 895411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have seen 1995, it was wild < 1421576205 17492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: relax, most of them were born in 1998 :P < 1421576207 768446 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born in 98 < 1421576232 562211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but by the end of the year... :( < 1421576242 450131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really 2000 is when it starts scaring me < 1421576251 61374 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its gonna be weird We are gonna be in the 20's again < 1421576255 466457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tick. tock. tick. tock. < 1421576262 686703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm old and grumpy already < 1421576274 542305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: welcome to our world :P < 1421576281 722813 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 65 more years of life? < 1421576288 621529 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on health < 1421576300 100956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Although my relative view of time is skewed <-- hey so was einstein's! < 1421576304 197903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest I've probably become less old and grumpy over the past few years < 1421576309 456265 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1421576327 490839 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relax guys < 1421576338 990089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like a lot of teenagers get really crotchety and cynical for a while < 1421576348 497078 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why... < 1421576372 493141 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert sarcasm < 1421576379 770147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Young and cheery | The horror of fungot | but often spelld. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1421576399 422520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo still here? < 1421576399 576178 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still here? still here? < 1421576420 912526 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want I can optimize how long you might live? < 1421576428 416400 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that morbid < 1421576434 96732 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's* < 1421576448 978766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimising how long I live doesn't sound morbid, though maybe you mean something different by that :p < 1421576450 749350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: minimize, you mean? that's brutal. < 1421576475 916349 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you int-e < 1421576480 718996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too old < 1421576484 662508 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Health issues ? < 1421576488 530920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :down, not across < 1421576493 2840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as old as the trees < 1421576496 246010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ouch < 1421576504 926307 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch? < 1421576513 163346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got int-e's reference < 1421576519 126967 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not get it < 1421576532 632950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably for the best hth < 1421576550 422778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a solution for the optimization problem you posed. < 1421576557 68785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :google can tell you all the rest. don't. < 1421576559 880762 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the average human life span is 1-85+ < 1421576577 287546 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those rare cases of 100+ < 1421576582 990283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: that's not how averages work hth < 1421576587 91477 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shhh < 1421576599 376659 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always confused oerjan < 1421576610 391594 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :always... < 1421576611 219871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed < 1421576613 545495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok. < 1421576634 651272 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mental health issues. < 1421576667 501712 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps, you could put age years young < 1421576668 317774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the big disappointments about growing up is that the confusion doesn't go away, and life doesn't become simple. < 1421576686 950905 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg; I'm 98 years young < 1421576698 306438 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because old sounds to mean < 1421576738 483141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there a sorcery that simply untaps all creatures? < 1421576758 717027 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because magic b_jonas. < 1421576763 476678 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1421576875 738007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1421576898 383846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a card could work in white or blue < 1421576996 492224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also wondering why there wasn't an enchantment with just "Creatures attack each turn if able." , similar to Curse of the Nightly Hunt. < 1421577040 687677 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you even talking about? < 1421577061 927598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly < 1421577080 123276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I still can't download the Khans set faq, is that an error on my side? < 1421577159 622772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the Fate Reforged release notes (that's apparently what they call a set faq now), and have seen that it talks about a card with a copy permanent effect but doesn't bother to mention how copying a face down card works. I was wondering if it's at least mentioned in the Khans faq, for Khans also has such a card. < 1421577170 492289 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat?! < 1421577181 920604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: magic. < 1421577201 654061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, magic the gathering. < 1421577234 826721 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my grandfather plays that < 1421577251 994332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1421577273 231966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, I was going to go to a Magic prerelease today < 1421577278 539562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are grandfathers playing magic? isn't it for 13 years and older only? < 1421577283 758321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not very good at it and I am nervous < 1421577285 377789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: at least there's an "Untap all creatures you control." (Mobilize) < 1421577288 994031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more anxious < 1421577330 578335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing Magic for less than a week < 1421577330 965824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but I specifically want to untap my opponent's creatures < 1421577343 20396 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :does nayone havea converter from lambda calculus to de bruijn in scheme < 1421577349 828630 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wise people of the channel please advise < 1421577372 133249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so I can Taunting Elf + Gaze of the Gorgon them < 1421577372 283674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm pretty sure most grandfathers are older than 13 hth < 1421577375 946251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's also this fun one "Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, untap all creatures." (Intruder alert) < 1421577387 899464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i've never been to a mtg prerelease but as i understand it it's among the gentler of official events, specifically intended to be welcoming to new players < 1421577394 902400 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain what a ssl is < 1421577410 966699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: (that's only half the effect, the other half is that creatures don't untap during the untap step) < 1421577411 117903 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds dumb < 1421577412 680762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: in that case, enjoy it, and don't worry about your performance. a pre-release is supposed to be a friendly event. < 1421577422 868213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it a sealed draft? < 1421577430 10717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/release-notes-2014-09-18 ? < 1421577431 545307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I do not know what that is < 1421577440 817792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, Intruder Alarm. that card is bah-roken. < 1421577455 221751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It looks so innocent ;-) < 1421577456 697049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which continent is it on? < 1421577465 881047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, Europe??? < 1421577472 927243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's on an island < 1421577499 436021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobilize? wtf... oh, from Portal. No, there's one outsite portal too: To Arms! < 1421577504 202384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make sure to get lots of blue cards < 1421577505 29798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean, how much damage could a piece of cardboard and some colorful ink do?! < 1421577543 868185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, back then it didn't even have hologram stickers on it like real money < 1421577553 420614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I remember it, if you copy a face-down card, you get a face-up 2/2 colorless creature with no creature types etc. < 1421577579 818153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, I know. but why isn't that mentioned in the set faq, for a card that has a non-optional copy permanent effect? < 1421577670 654275 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1421577689 193036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1421577695 844918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've barely played with KTK. < 1421577711 613994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that interacts with manifest. < 1421577731 237583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll read the definition of manifest when it's released. < 1421577754 722400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's in the release notes you just mentioned. < 1421577803 773793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so do copy effects copy the fact that a permanent is manifested? < 1421577891 339404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a permanent stops being manifested when it's turned face up, but a copy effect would never turn it face up. < 1421577912 991995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe if you copied a manifested permanent, and then turned the copy face down, it would be manifested. < 1421577933 383865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but maybe the copy effect stops anyway when you turn it face down? < 1421577960 859226 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :300+ms is not what I expected from my servers preformance < 1421578035 250490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1421578071 37770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, apparently turning a Clone face-down doesn't stop the copy effect. < 1421578091 824291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would guess that "being manifested" isn't copied. < 1421578124 437023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the update bulletin is out as well < 1421578174 364561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and yes, they copy a 2/2 vanilla creature, but no, the copy will not be manifested or face down, it's only its characteristics that are changed to similar ones < 1421578200 950007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it doesn't copy the face that it's face-down, but I wasn't sure about being manifested. < 1421578203 957286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my guess. < 1421578209 710585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1421578213 593590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: copying _to_ a face down permanent is different, but that doesn't come up this set becaue there are no cards like Cytoshape that can do that < 1421578242 344887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, which situation are you imagining there? < 1421578424 528610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just simply using Flamerush Rider or Clever Impersonator and targetting a face down creature < 1421578469 459204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean with Cytoshape. < 1421578510 622167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it copy "manifested" or not? If not, what if a card was manifested and then you made it a copy of something else, would it keep manifested? < 1421578533 373737 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1421578556 321813 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1421578727 6258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. use Cytoshape to make a face down morph card (say a Scornful Egoist) a copy of an elephant. then, I think (but I'm not sure) while the wizard is face down, it's still a 2/2 colorless creature, and when it's face up, it's a 3/3 elephant. < 1421578771 233041 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Friday's xkcd was great. < 1421578806 51357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :friday's GG was basically trolling < 1421578841 646859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's see if they can stretch this through the whole next week, shall we? < 1421578861 22508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they promised monday would be back to normal < 1421578861 808867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Can you turn it face up for the morph cost when it's a face-down elephant? < 1421578864 554669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: friday's what? < 1421578873 716157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm, good question. probably not < 1421578888 637247 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to get into girl genius? < 1421578926 351624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What if I manifest a sorcery card and then make it a copy of a Scornful Egotist? < 1421578933 862416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I turn it face-up for {U}? < 1421578973 411723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A face-down permanent represented by an instant or sorcery card can't be turned face up." < 1421578976 423004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1421578984 456781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same question with s/sorcery/land/, then. < 1421579001 346709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe you can because it's not a sorcery if it's a copy of the wizard creature < 1421579009 312318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: hm? < 1421579015 446587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh so they did, what happened to Gikka then? And are you sure they mean *next* Monday?) < 1421579024 76719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still "represented by a sorcery card", right? < 1421579034 788193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no idea < 1421579039 772819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1421579046 928047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you'll need someone who knows the rules more than me < 1421579092 731693 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1421579104 258344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or perhaps they'll present the chapter title page and then continue their foolery on Wednesday ;) < 1421579109 158007 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is why I don't play with my grandfather < 1421579116 833007 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say sorcery? Oh a game < 1421579134 521882 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actively seeking occultists to interview < 1421579134 914549 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean, while they're still on a roll trolling. < 1421579153 658896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is a good question, I might ask it on a forum < 1421579164 594355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: you're in the wrong place :P < 1421579181 988290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if you find out. < 1421579183 864945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i guess they dropped gkika, she didn't really show her dress much in the original play, except when quilted... < 1421579190 113486 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JesseH: if you are seekinh occultists < 1421579195 552071 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to 4Chan < 1421579199 713264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had various related questions. < 1421579202 744323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesseh: Here we're only interested in sorceries that go on a stack. That makes is computer sciencey :P < 1421579203 244146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: especially as Cytoshape wears off at end of turn < 1421579211 779470 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I know! I'm in other channels on the weird networks. I'm wanting to create an occult inspired esolang. < 1421579212 184529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll have to read the setfaq first < 1421579221 604299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure "represented by a sorcery card" is unambiguous. < 1421579230 501825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might already answer this < 1421579231 827719 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An occult inspired esolang? < 1421579235 513452 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy < 1421579245 334493 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just do harry potter lang < 1421579248 861902 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use Demon tongue chars < 1421579255 630411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I manifest a creature card with a high cost, and then make it a copy of a creature with a low cost, can I turn it face-up for the low cost? < 1421579257 212203 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For everthing < 1421579287 504258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno, I'd just blink it instead if I wanted to cheat on costs < 1421579308 505391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1421579309 128512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a face-down Morph card, and I make it a copy of a card that I manifested, am I able to manifest it? < 1421579309 665216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: girl genius is an epic plot story so you really have to start at the beginning. < 1421579315 653789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you already answered that last one with a no. < 1421579317 291982 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a card deck in that game that lets you get.infinite mana < 1421579334 892717 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :avadra x is kedavra b00000001 < 1421579342 869353 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecto patronum x < 1421579345 189411 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1421579346 210219 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls no JesseH < 1421579346 912713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1421579366 436189 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks < 1421579369 285279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I don't really understand how copy permanent effects work < 1421579370 971692 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use uhm < 1421579372 393296 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice spell JesseH < 1421579382 21469 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, :P < 1421579382 495403 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient aztec < 1421579386 21973 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tek? < 1421579387 906376 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1421579402 312829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. what is going on < 1421579411 596509 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are summoning Satan < 1421579420 919395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. sweet. how can I help < 1421579421 69950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure I like manifest because it makes you skip beneficial etb triggers or replaced abilities like that of Order of the Stars < 1421579426 146260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think b_jonas is lost in layers (I would be, too, if I were to consider them.) < 1421579437 286166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1421579447 442906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, the copy rules are sort of ambiguously written and strange < 1421579449 144767 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to solve this card game < 1421579456 556823 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a lighter < 1421579464 606382 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and walk out of room < 1421579471 855449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: that will not affect the tokens (if made of steel) < 1421579473 756365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but sadly it's getting harder and harder to ignore them because wotc keeps printing lots of copy permanent effects at low rarities these last five years < 1421579501 717158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, you're definitely not allowed to use coins to repreesnt tokens or counters or anything in game < 1421579502 91780 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh every where I go its just this game < 1421579513 400371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: sorry < 1421579516 365786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: metal cubes < 1421579519 952645 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its ok < 1421579538 414213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and what? really? < 1421579609 942079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: per tournament rules, because they're worried the coins can cause confusion with authorities thinking you're playing unauthorized gambling games for money. < 1421579613 611432 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making fork bombs now < 1421579620 512315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so you're not allowed to use money. < 1421579630 911825 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not allowed? < 1421579633 373703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right. makes no sense. makes sense. I dunno. < 1421579638 786063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, it does make sense < 1421579654 307396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit unfortunate, but still < 1421579656 25643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not really :P < 1421579690 830350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I do use coins in casual play, as well as dice and small pieces of cardboard < 1421579695 566227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but it's the context, where not playing for money may look like you actually may be playing for money. < 1421579699 271656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421579713 489591 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast its active in here... < 1421579726 617454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: (I guess in a tournament you also want to prevent things like "resign and I'll gift you all my precious tokens") < 1421579737 437189 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/JaZLhYX.jpg < 1421579765 969844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1421579804 241210 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god to what? < 1421579836 394954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world-embracing, world-devouring cat < 1421579840 40280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, bribing is definitely not allowed < 1421579846 907309 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1421579860 836269 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor India. < 1421579888 837707 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chuckles < 1421579903 686537 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil king chuckle fish < 1421579905 691934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, welcome etc. < 1421579938 332439 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you have pets? < 1421579976 706115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do spiders weaving their nets in various corners count? < 1421580013 880744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: are you saying india is fucked < 1421580031 291200 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by tiny kitty peen. :( < 1421580032 634237 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he didn't have to, hth < 1421580053 407663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did hth < 1421580060 574728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well tdnh < 1421580065 768809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have different definitions of tiny < 1421580066 716360 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: dont ruin the kitty picture < 1421580068 587544 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neuter your pets, ppl! I can't stress that enough. < 1421580074 319681 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be < 1421580080 751655 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a female? < 1421580093 429891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe we're talking about this. < 1421580102 955220 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one can. < 1421580108 480873 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THey still have outie like genitals when excited though. < 1421580122 676588 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to show a cute kitty picture! < 1421580127 936514 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1421580134 201246 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know this AndoDaan < 1421580139 755435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1421580154 409246 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1421580157 813958 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does he know this < 1421580162 453560 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't everybody? < 1421580163 869180 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1421580175 711738 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... we've all been curious. < 1421580182 411789 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not common knowledge < 1421580182 793097 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'm done. < 1421580185 366383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: Sorry. There's a maximum size for cute cats, and this picture exceeds that by several orders of magnitude. < 1421580204 597166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :ANYTHING BUT CAT DICKS | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1421580221 272091 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: I do not not know what to say to that comment < 1421580223 250899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: rub it in, will you... < 1421580229 231306 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat dicks have barbs < 1421580234 200417 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART :#esoteric < 1421580238 26572 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1421580243 974986 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421580251 408829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there is no escape. wait where did int-e go. < 1421580251 572524 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm. oerjan, or anyone, is there anykind of... type of program that would send a BCT or CT or Tag system interpreter through it's pacess? < 1421580272 355467 :OneRatShort!~Its@cm-84.213.198.234.getinternet.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1421580296 661206 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still curious about AndoDaans knowledge but ill leave this alone < 1421580297 253671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm alas i've been mainly converting _from_ BCT < 1421580312 902834 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary calculus < 1421580316 346340 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense < 1421580318 99498 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1421580329 746132 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for the best, Lilax. < 1421580330 940333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete calculus is a (cute) thing < 1421580358 541814 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: you are a tad bit creepy /no offense/ < 1421580379 500500 :OneRatShort!~Its@cm-84.213.198.234.getinternet.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to know esoteric secrets < 1421580404 203854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the only secrets on offer today appear to be about magic the gathering or feline genitalia < 1421580404 844623 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From BCT to...? I can't imagine trying to actually programming in it. < 1421580409 916605 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None taken. < 1421580411 320917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome OneRatShort < 1421580418 94627 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09OneRatShort: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1421580426 5820 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY EYES < 1421580458 288072 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many paces do you need a BCT interpreter sent through < 1421580470 301800 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1421580479 548969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: well BCT is known to be turing complete, so converting _from_ it is a good way to show other languages TC. you don't have to actually know how to program BCT for it... < 1421580488 458688 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only tested it with the Collatz example from the wiki. < 1421580539 670530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, BCT doesn't really have output, so the incentive for actually programming in it is low. < 1421580544 564629 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, throw a dart, write down the number you got in binary and chances are that it's a nonterminating BCT program < 1421580545 745770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for esolangers < 1421580549 711852 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't we be normal < 1421580668 773601 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Would all useful BCT programs follow the 1=11 0=10 ;=0 conversion from a CT program? < 1421580694 874895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: normal is just a specific kind of broken that people for some reason pretend to prefer hth < 1421580701 209210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no easy way to give all creatures vigilance either, without side effects. (Synchronous Sliver plus Shields of Velis Vel works in theory.) < 1421580713 281197 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal as in < 1421580727 211457 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't give me facts about cats < 1421580769 842960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so is there an instant or something that just stops creatures of my opponent from attacking this turn _without_ attacking? < 1421580783 120662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Fog usually does the trick, but not if I already have the Taunting Elf in play < 1421580804 669948 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to set the topic >_> < 1421580812 316615 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is a lot of pressure < 1421580825 941878 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :decisions < 1421580849 164858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The Magic Channel | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1421580858 452577 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhh < 1421580861 333881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now accurate and shouldn't confuse _anyone_ hth < 1421580870 668187 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now its even more pressure < 1421580884 772524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh critics < 1421580891 99184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, if it bothers you, we can go to another channel < 1421580897 298299 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language that's just +'s and /'s < 1421580905 836987 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not bothering me! < 1421580909 697016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like an instant with "Detain all creatures."? < 1421580925 894446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: try just \ and / and you've got a nice subset of /// < 1421580944 86046 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I am the definition of a modest liar < 1421580959 610023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope there isn't < 1421580996 966601 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric := x + = s / = / + / = n < 1421581014 232148 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very pristine < 1421581031 713733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1421581034 966814 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make useless stuff again, lol < 1421581047 549363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the very model of the modern EDH general < 1421581065 91157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: well the only way to get a BCT program that doesn't come from a CT program is to have an alignment mismatch at the end, and it won't really differ for more than one cycle. < 1421581141 128357 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all CT programs come from converting a tag system alphabet (a=100 b=010 c=001...)? < 1421581157 848736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CT is crazy < 1421581167 22610 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like /'s and +'s are better oerjan plus its easier I guess if I were to make sub classes and it looks pretty < 1421581193 955331 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclic tag is so smiple < 1421581197 339968 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it shouldn't be TC! < 1421581198 354360 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i swear the sub class would be - and \ < 1421581198 874093 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is.. < 1421581207 548710 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels in a differen class to turing machines < 1421581210 397021 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not... < 1421581214 937212 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1421581217 935952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: pluses and slashes? so all the cards would give p/t bonuses to other cards? < 1421581222 835364 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines.. < 1421581238 666405 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember my first encounter < 1421581242 789244 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the beast < 1421581303 856771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can X be negative? < 1421581314 63262 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-X < 1421581330 981428 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2212 < 1421581333 935875 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not if you choose it. < 1421581343 88406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about e.g. Nantuko Mentor? < 1421581346 476631 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently breaks my latex < 1421581368 357874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no idea < 1421581369 751165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess +X/+X for a creature with negative power would subtract from power and toughness. < 1421581390 421160 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was uhm not talking about magic b_jonas < 1421581393 57442 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1421581405 108218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it works the way you'd expect. < 1421581431 295799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure which way I expect it < 1421581452 580493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it works the way I'd expect. < 1421581463 129753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+2212 < 1421581464 937943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​− < 1421581472 45403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make a -1/1 into a -2/0 < 1421581485 697888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's Viridian Joiner though it doesn't mention X < 1421581489 411401 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grandma has a very old Guide book on basic < 1421581494 137611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a rule like "If a calculation that would determine the result of an effect yields a negative number, zero is used instead..." < 1421581500 281935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode − < 1421581501 351968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2212 MINUS SIGN] < 1421581508 522210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about draw X cards where X is negative, etc.? < 1421581513 524465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but there's some partial exception for powers and toughnesses < 1421581531 637192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power can be negative, but a creature with negative power just deals no damage in combat. < 1421581537 558708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a card that put X tokens into play where X is the power of something < 1421581547 963777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is: Carrion < 1421581556 942687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3A%22where+x+is+that+creature%27s+power%22 < 1421581569 148191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remmeber that because it's funny in un-sets with half power stuff < 1421581579 447740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean to put -1 +1/+1 counters on something? < 1421581580 883697 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the newer Feed the Pack < 1421581586 445668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ok, I guess it makes sense for power. But for drawing X cards, or placing X tokens, that rule should take effect. < 1421581602 887878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: certainly, the question is whether it takes effect for that power-modifying thingy or not < 1421581609 739506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nantuko Mentor < 1421581610 225414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Can toughness ever be negative? < 1421581615 787568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1421581637 664034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not for long, because the creature dies quickly, but it can < 1421581645 503517 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it weird if my grandma knows more about.haskell than me < 1421581646 799975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's easier if you make the creature indestructible < 1421581656 983766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for long enough for Feed the Pack to be relevant? < 1421581666 939151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: use indestructible < 1421581675 533415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't help, does it? < 1421581682 359534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that doesn't help < 1421581684 431638 :OneRatShort!~Its@cm-84.213.198.234.getinternet.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have any experience in opening their 3rd eye ? < 1421581685 328074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, dunno then < 1421581724 645395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: try Fungal Sprouting then < 1421581731 690040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Mercy Killing < 1421581739 731556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Miming Slime < 1421581748 504798 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1421581760 816588 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :list the options off in one text < 1421581763 351725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what would Miming Slime do? < 1421581787 297974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I was specifically wondering about negative toughness. < 1421581829 532179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. maybe you can have something like Wall of Roots, where you put a counter on it to pay for a spell and also sacrifice it as part of the same spell. < 1421581832 141743 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear I'm scared that my grandma has more experience in esoteric languages than I do < 1421581836 376558 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's 78 < 1421581848 911191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spell like Momentous Fall. < 1421581849 521155 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did this whole esoteric thing start < 1421581859 261161 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this fall? < 1421581859 914207 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :197 < 1421581869 126814 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a lot of momentum < 1421581870 514097 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3? < 1421581871 644464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't work with Wall of Roots, but maybe with something else. < 1421581928 881015 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight o/ < 1421581945 532368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: the first major esoteric language is usually considered INTERCAL from the 70s, i think. < 1421581954 831608 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1421581967 726670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real flood didn't start until about '93 < 1421581985 957621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is when both brainfuck and befunge were made < 1421582003 107121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Being indestructible stops only effects that would destroy the permanent, including destruction due to lethal damage and destruction that doesn't allow regeneration. An indestructible permanent can be exiled, returned to a player's hand, put into a graveyard for having 0 or less toughness, or sacrificed." < 1421582012 947478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I know, I was stupid < 1421582016 614350 :OneRatShort!~Its@cm-84.213.198.234.getinternet.no PART :#esoteric < 1421582043 230572 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk how old she was back then but uh < 1421582044 901315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice use of past tense. < 1421582046 421665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scnr) < 1421582050 17288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a distinction between saying "grown-up's toy" and "grown-ups' toy" depending on whether it's used solo? < 1421582059 826074 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess she knows how to do a lot of code < 1421582136 816105 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1421582141 300978 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I was saying < 1421582141 603989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: haskell isn't usually considered esoteric, although it's from 1990 < 1421582147 644966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old who sas? < 1421582150 80623 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1421582164 329703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his granma < 1421582171 866982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1421582180 103411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, haskell is just "non-mainstream" < 1421582191 116195 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said she knows more than me < 1421582218 256420 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But she knows More about esolangs than I thought < 1421582239 941239 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should ask her what she knows about teh computers nexr time I see her < 1421582259 486426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my father (who's probably older than your granma) knows how to program in principle, although i don't think he does it much < 1421582295 46370 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye your father is probably older since you are 44 < 1421582301 561107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? principle < 1421582302 352786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :principle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421582306 704084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it hth < 1421582310 343735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey someone remembers my age! < 1421582319 41829 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember all ages < 1421582340 302578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no esolangs page either < 1421582349 372695 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only for one reason < 1421582362 621524 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyways < 1421582365 703673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should swat me for belaboring the point < 1421582381 155940 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: likes to be hit? < 1421582396 917458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were leaving < 1421582404 291927 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pssht < 1421582411 67401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1421582414 465405 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its slowly turning off < 1421582429 809720 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can still type until.. < 1421582430 937571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Collective Magicing | Programming through the Ages | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1421582447 925971 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ther < 1421582451 168199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember ages, but I remember oerjan is a haskellite < 1421582490 680855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ map pred "Sfnfncfs!nf\"" < 1421582492 172067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Remember me! < 1421582501 785806 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1421582531 585451 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill probs remember all of you even after you die < 1421582537 882986 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz I never forget < 1421582540 265319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks kid < 1421582544 605912 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1421582545 132128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks elephant < 1421582550 820767 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :u wot < 1421582566 116082 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1421582586 394877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel loved. < 1421582590 8344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax is an elephant? < 1421582609 315280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's the only logical conclusion < 1421582671 690283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, their average life span isn't so great it seems. < 1421582724 829563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok Lilax doesn't understand averages anyway < 1421582729 794176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see above) < 1421582762 13345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would that make it an average understanding of averages? < 1421582785 847255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1421582896 50429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is she a white or a green elephant? < 1421582909 873478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Lilax a she now < 1421582915 594963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1421582920 154296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot keep up < 1421582921 179270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow genders either < 1421582927 699504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be pink < 1421582933 940077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but you're hungarian < 1421582944 650850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have them < 1421582977 425997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, can we stop discussing animals for a day or two? < 1421582990 896195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but then we could only talk with em when we're drunk... < 1421583056 945223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"journey of an ant" was a cute game. *lalala* . o O ( happy thoughts ) < 1421583126 691211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ants are animals too hth < 1421583152 383813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1421583165 414922 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421583171 468099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ants < 1421583172 447197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ants? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583175 642119 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ants are animals too hth < 1421583178 185545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ant': ants are animals too hth < 1421583193 877879 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ocd < 1421583194 778645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583204 190786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ants are strange < 1421583206 514215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cdo < 1421583207 380254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583210 403808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1421583216 628024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cdop < 1421583217 393736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdop? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583235 907516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ocd < 1421583236 925377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1421583239 916854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dyslexic < 1421583240 742697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyslexic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583241 835787 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dyslexia < 1421583242 859282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dyslexia? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583247 4901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mtg < 1421583247 962211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583253 976474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? M:tG < 1421583254 796209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583261 925416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( things Oerjan Could Do ) < 1421583263 936343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs. < 1421583275 245572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1421583276 114540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1421583286 481537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Corouscant < 1421583318 981167 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421583331 419189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that's misspel;led < 1421583334 283730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' Coruscant < 1421583337 444557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what would you call a corouscant-shaped omelette? < 1421583340 895910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want ants in your couscous < 1421583370 264437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, missspelled typos. < 1421583422 552990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will this become an antology of typos? < 1421583432 431465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wat < 1421583441 506986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1421583530 829970 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421583543 959251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still waiting for the answer twh hth < 1421583546 819117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1421583556 745533 :Lymia!~fujoshi@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421583556 920221 :Lymia!~fujoshi@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1421583556 920295 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1421583560 536788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that script bug < 1421583613 199250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hesh bug < 1421583616 189889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you woke the beast within, turns out it's small, has six legs, and is crazy about sugar. < 1421583654 568490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it weren't small it would be a giant < 1421583680 957097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but despite its size it can rant all day. < 1421583730 920280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an insectful observation. < 1421583765 587877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(isn't that phantastic? with only three letters it's scantly possible to avoid that word even if you wanted to.) < 1421583830 995147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1421583898 142090 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421584250 571141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's really a lot of those words... blatantly bantering ants defiantly enchant dormant elephants. < 1421584639 555488 :S1!~S1@p4FF935E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1421585059 137192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZ < 1421586195 259259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: beast within... is that like antman, the recurring super-villain in StickManStickMan, see http://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=62 < 1421586443 376390 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe, but I've never seen that comic before. < 1421586846 44497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :antman appears only once more after he's defeated I think, so I'm not sure if he counts as a recurring villain < 1421586917 730823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he returns in http://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=638 < 1421588415 58296 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421589391 59047 :^v!~notnot^v@0587351146.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421590803 288112 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1421590961 323327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... when did http://www.gocomics.com/heavenly-nostrils/ get its title changed? < 1421591121 164043 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gcioeeyzsqhccdtf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1421591571 262344 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1421591629 392586 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1421592273 266509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421593190 731835 :Guest84511!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1421593190 921856 :Guest84511!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1421593196 906727 :Guest84511!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal NICK :Vorpal < 1421593791 759985 :not^v!notnot^v@0587351146.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421594035 59785 :^v!~notnot^v@0587351146.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1421594067 649474 :not^v!notnot^v@0587351146.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421594082 629015 :^v!notnot^v@0587351146.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421594726 619207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MNNBFSL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41697&oldid=41696 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+27) 10Added to TC category. < 1421594842 999676 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ACKNOWLEDGED CHICKEN < 1421594971 899286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MNNBFSL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41698&oldid=41681 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (-2123) 10Undo revision 41681 by [[Special:Contributions/AndoDaan|AndoDaan]] ([[User talk:AndoDaan|talk]]) I was a bit premature in adding the Wang B-machine outline. < 1421596199 968381 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421596270 232342 :augur!~augur@71.57.177.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421596523 256722 :augur!~augur@71.57.177.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421596907 694065 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1421596907 844671 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1421598244 318365 :S1!~S1@p4FF935E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1421599264 574632 :^v!notnot^v@0587351146.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421600118 511148 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421600176 133046 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1421600188 998847 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1421600288 251784 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1421601200 501038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1421601370 496514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1421601837 87273 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1421601934 733560 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1421602046 717522 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude < 1421602516 66857 :^v!notnot^v@0587358215.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421603112 37896 :^v!notnot^v@0587358215.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1421603463 107535 :^v!notnot^v@0587358215.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421603602 943898 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1421604071 264623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1421604147 164230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, people are actually competing for the 101 scrabble words thing < 1421604148 288482 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zzzzvxoptruzfgdt QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421604153 668551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anagol) < 1421604201 276302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 26^2/8 < 1421604203 538793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 84.5 < 1421604252 332535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 101 * 2 * log 28/ log 256 < 1421604253 836788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 121.38571178195451 < 1421604261 949931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 101 * 2 * log 26/ log 256 < 1421604263 645322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 118.68610288306259 < 1421604319 704906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2*26*5/8 + 10 < 1421604321 117712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42.5 < 1421604332 79389 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1421604450 118203 :^v!notnot^v@0587358215.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1421604451 272255 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-46.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1421604451 652805 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-46.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1421604451 804853 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1421604463 259923 :^v!~notnot^v@0587358215.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421604488 509889 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-icidvigtonkqefky JOIN :#esoteric < 1421604538 305090 :S1!~S1@p4FF92763.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1421604645 277303 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1421604728 21850 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eozaorntudrdxnrf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1421604809 272461 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-amptqtiayhhyxvna JOIN :#esoteric < 1421605197 234027 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1421605319 932832 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1421605556 727226 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421606205 177325 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421606279 601419 :^v!~notnot^v@0587358215.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1421606996 128906 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421607180 94217 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-icidvigtonkqefky QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1421607847 317835 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ajtlyphfoveytkxr JOIN :#esoteric < 1421608069 260198 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421608165 616386 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to do with myself now I'm done with MNNBFSL. < 1421608419 686973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make an implementation of Remote Virtual Table Protocol. Alternatively, make up a new kind of computer game. Even more alternatively, now you have to do LSFBNNM. < 1421608445 146396 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atomicshrimp.com/st/content/invention_dice_2/ < 1421608463 298305 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSFBNNM... now that's an idea. < 1421608561 38209 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's LF?? < 1421608632 955270 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan, how did you write this BCT interpreter? < 1421608637 467919 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see a lot of binary numbers in the source code < 1421608658 127268 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language F*ck. < 1421608658 280391 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ang/ag/Language < 1421608682 992351 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes the BCT code and init string from the standard input. < 1421608699 376210 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the form /BCTcode.initString// < 1421608759 512749 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end that was just easier to implent than comming up with a method to hard code the data each time. < 1421608904 618131 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've updated my MNNBFSL javascript interpreter if you wanted to give the BCT interpreter a whirl. < 1421608923 387766 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421608933 275469 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really cool < 1421608939 443436 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been hard to write... < 1421609004 257498 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit embarrassed actually about how long it took me. But since it was my first time doing something like that, I learned a lot. < 1421609031 463268 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421609033 932196 :^v!notPing@0587354360.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421609046 997034 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think many people could do this at all! < 1421609052 69837 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1421609147 779460 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well some of the snippits I've gotten off other's their code. But I did come up with a search algorithm that can drag a value with it. < 1421609225 662446 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was key for the BCT interpreter I think. < 1421609465 298420 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what is holding your interest lately, vanila? < 1421609596 572017 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive just been working on compilers, non esotierc < 1421609768 777319 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For business or pleasure? < 1421609923 177075 :shikhin_!~shikhin@59.177.198.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421609926 40485 :shikhin_!~shikhin@59.177.198.9 QUIT :Changing host < 1421609926 232716 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1421609979 842857 :^v!notPing@0587354360.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1421610089 660591 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421610189 248197 :^v!notnot^v@0587354360.wireless.umich.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421610424 488892 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421610512 748235 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1421610551 235328 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-11-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1421610666 73784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up some more Magic: the Gathering cards < 1421610973 329544 :^v!notnot^v@0587354360.wireless.umich.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421611428 395788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I made up is "Target spell loses all subtypes." < 1421611808 107362 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does weird things to enchantments. < 1421611942 327002 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk JOIN :#esoteric < 1421611975 257971 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.90.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1421612034 764696 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::l < 1421612057 921341 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discussing if I was an elephant after I left ._. < 1421612063 110667 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Make sure that you use the correct screws. If you have a torque screwdriver, tighten all screws firmly to the torque shown in the table. Never use a screw that you removed. Use a new one. Make sure that all screws are tightened firmly" < 1421612071 711696 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manual (I think for service people) for my machine < 1421612079 56195 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learner that in woodshop < 1421612081 982541 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, how critical is it to use new screws? < 1421612095 987289 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty critical < 1421612134 483 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg: If you use an old screw the drill bit can fracture and now you have shrapnel flying around < 1421612158 741529 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops you've lost your eyes < 1421612261 92799 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421612277 791446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes I know it does weird things to enchantments. Many auras will just fail to work, although some will continue to partially work anyways. < 1421612305 333797 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spooky < 1421612379 641535 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes arcane spells sad. :) < 1421612477 160322 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend.who goes by piks < 1421612486 816409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it doesn't looks to me that it would affect the ability to splice onto arcane. < 1421612510 803286 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but there's abilities that trigger on arcane spells resolving, no? < 1421612533 864673 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly can't affect splicing though. < 1421612548 641091 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no point at which splicing could be done and that spell could have resolved on another spell. < 1421612677 525402 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1421612680 483535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikshq < 1421612734 319603 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikshaq? < 1421612742 647647 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1421612764 494779 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'I thought I had some blue cheese in my fridge, but to my disappointment it was just normal cheese accelerating towards me' < 1421612791 509508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would allow arcane spells to damage Kitsune Riftwalker (but only for untargeted damage) < 1421612850 188457 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilax: Sounds dangerous. < 1421612864 42939 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue shift pikhq < 1421612875 409800 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1421612895 800438 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The velocity there would be absurd for blue shift to be noticable. < 1421612897 71182 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Just makin' sure < 1421612902 387065 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume this is why it's past tense. :) < 1421612915 433899 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast? < 1421612924 429014 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets talk numbers < 1421612925 523495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you even have enough time to process the sensory input < 1421612934 363160 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1421612940 883279 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ballpark on the order of .2c < 1421612943 465444 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you opened your fridge < 1421612953 218854 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, neurons don't go that fast. < 1421612957 425420 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the other side of the city < 1421612957 753335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1421612969 712568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of house do you live in, Lilax < 1421612971 842802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of arms do you have. < 1421612988 539258 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :my arms fell into a blackhole < 1421612995 226809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the cheese suddenly accelerate to .2c only as you open the door < 1421612998 797154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many questions here < 1421613006 48318 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1421613014 433814 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you have a nuclear fridge. < 1421613025 375139 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so in my freshman year < 1421613038 587906 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to solve for the speed of light < 1421613052 584152 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it enters an event horizon < 1421613071 659199 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I failed that so did the entire class < 1421613136 881708 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C = 1 foot/nanosecond" there, I answered it. :) < 1421613183 138212 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1421613201 761749 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I had pikhq in 9th grade < 1421613233 594548 :rand_!bc2422ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.36.34.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1421613294 6831 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1421613338 323206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never played pokemon as a kid? < 1421613356 274082 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :u wot < 1421613361 123383 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did < 1421613369 407278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn how to play Pokemon card! < 1421613373 226223 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokemon Heart gold was my first one < 1421613377 869043 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omg card games < 1421613380 409031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that pikhq is pikachu < 1421613385 190888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad joke. < 1421613397 948215 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look people, I am not good at the card games < 1421613412 754273 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its just to much pressure for my frail heart < 1421613525 297057 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pokemon heart gold was my first one" now I feel old. < 1421613619 595568 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I played yellow on a emulator < 1421613633 547508 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I got A gameboy colour < 1421613642 862590 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man that was the shit < 1421613651 456082 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in elementary. < 1421613871 16611 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1421614112 345545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671 < 1421614135 599298 :rand_!bc2422ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.36.34.236 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1421614182 507856 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1421614195 100123 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash is such a good language < 1421614208 290089 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its amaze < 1421614249 842852 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :be back later < 1421614348 738504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad we use operating systems where a program you run accidentally doing rm -rf /* is enough to delete all your personal files that it would otherwise never need to even know about the existence of :( < 1421614377 831629 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good point actually < 1421614393 326468 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's two things you could improve here: the language (not using bash), and the OS itself < 1421614403 522164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy, just make /home unreadable to everyone :P < 1421614462 37807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course I don't) < 1421614483 481446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it wouldn't have helped with the /media anyway) < 1421614494 866842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, "for path in glob.glob(os.path.join(steam_root, '*')): os.remove(path)" or whatever is just as broken < 1421614500 599319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if steam_root can be empty < 1421614518 400024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can argue with bash making it empty in the first place but it's not as slam-dunk a bash issue as a lot of shell script bugs are < 1421614521 644117 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just unfortunate that common OSes don't have any degree of application sandboxing. < 1421614527 710557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :STEAMROOT="$(cd "${0%/*}" && echo $PWD)" <-- this is also completely wrong if $0 is a symlink < 1421614549 112526 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ideally Steam wouldn't be *able* to delete all that stuff) < 1421614567 206106 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using DIR=$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")") which is probably not perfect either. But I'm not removing any files there :P < 1421614592 369650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... missing an outer pair of quotes? maybe. < 1421614603 282878 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the outer pair of quotes is unneeded. < 1421614619 548115 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're setting a variable, sh parses from the = to the end of the line as part of the variable. < 1421614634 749622 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a bizarre special case in sh syntax) < 1421614662 637595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's the FOO=bar cmd syntax. < 1421614670 405831 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misstated somewhat. < 1421614681 61907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but $() cannot be broken apart like that. < 1421614689 302224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.etalabs.net/sh_tricks.html < 1421614701 491364 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, always a good thing. < 1421614707 662912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following is not safe: < 1421614707 813697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :var=$(dirname "$f") < 1421614708 704612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to most commands writing a newline at the end of their output, Bourne-style command substitution was designed to strip training newlines from the output. But it doesn’t just strip one trailing newline; it strips them all. In the above command, if f contains any trailing newlines in the last directory component, they will be stripped, yielding a different directory name. While no one sane would put < 1421614714 511295 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rich Felker is as general awesome. < 1421614715 227474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlines in directory names, such corruption of the results could lead to exploitable vulnerabilities in scripts." < 1421614718 186622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise! unix! < 1421614740 438525 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/as general/as always, generally/ < 1421614744 22057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f contains any trailing newlines ... well, yes < 1421614748 749643 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1421614757 403132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said I'm not deleting any files :) < 1421614760 435464 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :also having files called -help --help < 1421614764 250407 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then doing ls * or something < 1421614769 216994 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: That's easy to deal with though. < 1421614774 545051 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -- * < 1421614787 836610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think readlink isn't that portable < 1421614788 838823 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't stop it being a problem < 1421614790 192147 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly most people are completely ignorant about that feature of getopt-style syntax. < 1421614795 311110 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason its a problem is because you can do these things by mistake < 1421614798 992462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have readlink -f, though I'm on OS X < 1421614817 881120 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though that has been in getopt *as long as there has been a getopt*) < 1421614823 487180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When writing shell scripts I also usually type #!/bin/bash -- just in case someone decides to allow the operating system to setuid shell scripts and then they rename the file with - at first < 1421614877 428483 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, people suck. < 1421614882 170718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interesting, I thought that program had a mac user. I've got to inquire. < 1421614922 525786 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION "loves" how so many common utils have shitty edge cases < 1421614923 485543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what does your script do? < 1421614964 554305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware of -- syntax at least, I don't know why a lot of people don't know very well? < 1421614972 230849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a config file right next to the wrapper script, and I want to find it even when the wrapper script is symlinked (usually from ~/bin) < 1421615038 259532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so I have something like DIR=$(dirname "$(readlink -f "$0")"); "$DIR"/tool -conf "$DIR"/tool.conf < 1421615064 704572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented -- syntax in some of my own programs too if they have a filename as a command-line argument, although some of my programs don't use command-line arguments at all and only act as a filter < 1421615096 671882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is too bad many new programs will not act as a filter. < 1421615115 447343 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the real solution is switching langauge to something that does't have these difficulties < 1421615122 669643 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. scheme shell < 1421615241 833082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is scheme shell capable of fixing programs to act like a filter, or to allow "ls *" to work even though the files named with - at front? < 1421615256 721779 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea would be to pass flags in a different way than files < 1421615271 710275 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (ls (flags help) (file -foo bar)) < 1421615275 615675 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should work fine < 1421615290 112972 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this is just an idea, it coudl be haskell or something else < 1421615295 685715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that would work, if the program is designed in that way. < 1421615296 763859 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically not bash < 1421615306 897660 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perl < 1421615353 882108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Haskell programs it could clearly work, by dynamically importing modules to do the stuff; other executable files can maybe also be imported as a IO () < 1421615390 626772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better would be ([String] -> IO Int) or something like that; you can then add other commands for redirection too. < 1421615437 668843 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should be [Parameter] where data Parameter = Flag String | File String o r something like this < 1421615439 607659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess I could write a perl script instead :P < 1421615441 594734 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be able to distriguish them < 1421615445 225904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However these kind of ways of doing this with Haskell program, would work best if the operating system is using Haskell too. Probably also if you are using Scheme, it would work best if the operating system is using Scheme. < 1421615454 383051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but this is an academic tool, I'll wait for the complaints. < 1421615460 913021 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeys I want to make an OS which isn't based on files < 1421615466 346936 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think its too hard to write a whole OS < 1421615481 68299 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about STEPS :3 < 1421615482 707258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: The thing is that if the operating system isn't Haskell it won't know that! If you are importing Haskell programs then the program can have whatever type you want it to have and don't have that problem. < 1421615493 334767 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, something with a vision like STEPS! < 1421615498 388309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not sure perl is the right step up from there < 1421615520 471565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well there's no GNU perl or Sun perl... < 1421615522 551771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just revive multics < 1421615534 37141 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes zzo38 that's a good point, a lot of the OS tools force us to have these problems < 1421615541 749912 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but knowing that we can try to addres it < 1421615589 410181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so for portably implementing readlink (which POSIX apparently doesn't have at all), that's an option. < 1421615595 924154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah < 1421615605 706538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix doesn't have perl either though < 1421615610 573195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope) < 1421615614 634794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do that construct portably though < 1421615618 452179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you usually can < 1421615622 895745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course one thing that can be done, if you are making this with Haskell, is to write modules that can be used as wrappers for non-Haskell programs which will figure out the correct command-line arguments and other stuff. < 1421615624 93770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. but perl is installed almost everywhere anyway < 1421615631 295536 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX has awk, but no Perl. < 1421615642 112851 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX does have C though. :D < 1421615686 969989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is fine, but not for scripting. < 1421615687 121299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mkropat/sh-realpath < 1421615724 279054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, although there are many other programming languages that can be used for scripting, depending on what you need it for you can use it. < 1421615725 945979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a readlink but not one with -f and you can emulate it with ls < 1421615733 486562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then maybe you run into escaping issues?? joy! < 1421615751 116948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that's avoiding readlink -f but still uses readlink. < 1421615765 774688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah redundancy) < 1421615818 208294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like AWK for text processing < 1421615830 271315 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive used awk a couple times.. < 1421615838 515776 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i should use perl instead < 1421615854 290299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there are a few things missing (as well as a few GNU extensions which don't seem much useful to me) < 1421615911 766505 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :godofgods < 1421615918 337645 :godofgods!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shihin < 1421615923 654988 :shihin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1421615927 970203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk occupies a middle ground between sed and perl to me. I use it occasionally. < 1421616075 968534 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, Perl is basically awk++. < 1421616088 816950 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :asochis < 1421616114 579645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't, because I use perl when I need that sort of thing < 1421616145 869253 :asochis!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1421616309 629576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for data processing, there is SQLite. < 1421616349 862049 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker_ < 1421616355 148350 :lawspeaker_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1421616444 379241 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1421616729 832071 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. "PR" is overloaded. "Problem Report" "Public Relations" "Pull Request". < 1421617494 434352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1421618148 619943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :press release < 1421618337 915180 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1421618339 313247 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pickle relish < 1421618400 613478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't need to know this (acronymfinder): Per Rectum (method of medication) < 1421618457 543180 :S1!~S1@p4FF92763.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1421618989 752289 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you < 1421618999 538587 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make time bans for irc < 1421619053 255155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to remember to unset them again < 1421619098 901360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or have a bot that does it automatically (freenode has a service bot, eir, for this... not sure how to get it on channels though)) < 1421619187 598663 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1421619225 33032 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does < 1421619262 817027 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a :tban (user) (time) but sometimes it forks the time to x100 times that < 1421619271 290672 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ye ill just go find that bot < 1421619341 386895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also eir makes *all* bans expire, it can be annoying.) < 1421619364 811548 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1421619368 8810 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1421619416 289950 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make it even more annoying (user) ban expire @1sec = reban < 1421619440 238471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1421619441 731959 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bans then expires in 1second then detects unban and bans again < 1421619455 480593 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the msgs would spam < 1421619569 105571 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all for The modding system I'm making for reasons since ye < 1421619576 864926 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :People abuse my bot a lot < 1421619587 814315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do? < 1421619608 807630 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1421619615 821171 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatango does >_< < 1421619622 926744 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like irc < 1421619632 533216 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shit < 1421619660 175649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do not use the return key for punctuation. we can wait for whole sentences, we're patient like that. < 1421619696 20296 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm not used to that.. Sorry. < 1421619778 133736 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone I'm around usually talks like that. < 1421619815 459031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not a strict rule either, more of a guideline. I've found that sticking to that allows me to communicate more coherently. (Yes, I could be even more incoherent. ;-) )) < 1421619902 524710 :Lilax!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egspzrjylvawvbxk PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. " < 1421620282 331742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:AndoDaan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41699&oldid=40888 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+23) 10 < 1421620339 402046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:AndoDaan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41700&oldid=41699 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+1) 10 < 1421621199 207803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: seems like the solution to the latest golf problem is pretty canonical :) < 1421621219 659501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he said, just before henkma swooped down with 42) < 1421621229 275441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ not an actual event. yet. < 1421621369 601464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it annoys me that . has an incompatible fixity with the default one for `ident`s. < 1421621401 401742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's associative, so it didn't _have_ to < 1421621499 843832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the current one is slightly more intuitive for how lazy equational thinking expands it < 1421622790 812947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make up the programming language RULECARD and then make up the rules for Aberration Hater Card Game using that, but, perhaps at first I can do it just in normal text and then convert it later. And then rules for Magic: the Gathering should also be written using such programming language, so that you can know exactly how it is working and Wizards of the Coast should learn to use such programming language too. < 1421622895 496423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is a better idea than the other way? < 1421622928 661761 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1421623162 55907 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1421623186 233731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how to win at Pokemon card: http://zzo38computer.org/img_16/pokemoncard1.png < 1421623285 251538 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421623444 75753 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1421623500 106976 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1421623710 328484 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1421624042 380788 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I think your RULECARD idea is probably good but makes the system a lot less flexible < 1421624248 394362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I must go to sleep now, goodnight < 1421624252 201201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the programming language would have to be defined in a flexible way < 1421624322 635687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is such a flexible language deserving of being called a programming language? < 1421624351 798198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes that fixity of . did cross my mind < 1421624490 844410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does mean that whenever you add a new card, it will be necessary to recompile *everything*. < 1421624557 185310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you call your variable n? if so i predict byte-for-byte equality hth < 1421624571 360118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did not. < 1421624574 848916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1421624589 876556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason x won this time < 1421624614 927901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you usually would not have to modify the rules; you would always have to recompile them (as well as recompile all existing cards) if you are adding or changing anything. If you are only deleting a card, you may be able to get away without recompiling everything right away. < 1421624965 692698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's one other thing I could vary but I did choose the more plausible option < 1421625010 130027 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are two ways of shortening a:b:[] by one character) < 1421625256 592531 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric