< 1418083769 212746 :S1!~S1@p4FF92010.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1418083848 535853 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1418083883 414021 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXQUISITE CHICKEN < 1418084651 842422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hint, he's saying Perl because nobody would admit to writing mission critical software in PHP. < 1418084672 258952 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As if the universe is mission critical < 1418084723 963157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point, we're in no position to tell. < 1418084770 897776 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, it's probably slapped together in BF or something as an example of cellular automata < 1418085615 546041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the gods are so alien they think BF is a good language for slapping things together we're all doomed anyway < 1418085757 913226 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's just a demonstration!" < 1418085782 647204 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418085789 971226 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universes as a target for code golfing. < 1418085835 477508 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got this life sustaining universe down to 1,300,000 chars! < 1418085862 491613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a bit bloated < 1418085952 598369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, if you use complex numbers instead of probabilities you can cut it down to just 14,000 and the inhabitants will never notice unless they start probing ridiculously small distances < 1418085964 943556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to keep your code simple and plant all future behaviour in the ether. < 1418085980 719823 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1418086089 550102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see the third Haskell entry to Euclidean Norm? It should make you feel better ;-) < 1418086107 542886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many characters are you? < 1418086107 911006 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: finns are generally very suspicious about all new ideas, have to admit that i didn't need to see them < 1418086112 774216 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really have to exploit the emergent behavior of some simple quantum rules, let it run long enough and you can get a good seed < 1418086367 213458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OKAY < 1418086411 508268 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, did you know that matlab doesn't have a good way to programmatically save a diagram as an image? I sure love matlab! < 1418086441 290417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's NSFL: wikipedia main page < 1418086466 259913 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god why < 1418086477 807160 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not want < 1418086489 656415 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gross pathology ..." indeed < 1418086727 697623 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in other words i have to draw rectangles pixel by pixel. < 1418086751 87909 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well write a brainfuck program to do it < 1418086774 813135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "paintfuck" hth < 1418087244 288851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that L = life? < 1418087265 228688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1418087273 887619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like i invented the acronym... < 1418087305 217408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm extrapolating from NSFW, and you're quicker than google. < 1418087305 402390 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1418087317 668536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1418087500 327851 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1418087801 216064 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418088580 299098 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe JOIN :#esoteric < 1418088604 934543 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Sup < 1418088615 952182 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup. < 1418088625 681876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not reddit, that's for sure < 1418088639 128306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of stars weighing heavy on our souls, whose only saving grace is the inverse square law. < 1418088663 538358 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you're a poet! < 1418088690 755308 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sky has gravity. < 1418088731 624224 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engelina - Walking in the Sky < 1418088938 151632 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makin' my way down town < 1418089015 640417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: zzleepy < 1418089026 54487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: If I were I'd probably not mistreat the language so much. In this case, I used an adjective instead of an adverb. < 1418089197 453488 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418089620 604707 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418089792 903882 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm going to try to golf down a befunge interpreter < 1418089796 246394 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl or ruby? < 1418089823 394204 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript. < 1418089841 652706 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah screw you I already wrote like half of that < 1418089855 917623 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'll finish it < 1418089859 192593 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and golf it < 1418089866 197625 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta stay on top of the things I start < 1418089890 347226 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. yeah i have that problem too, i mash out a prototype and never finalize it < 1418089909 50050 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl < 1418089912 704338 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby is eh < 1418090061 158506 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/PQZEVYa.png Perl and your weird function names < 1418090124 355073 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... the keywords are unClike too: last? next? < 1418090143 129164 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :open without death < 1418090159 81080 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a cheat sheet somewhere with the differences. < 1418090216 641695 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah open or die; appears in a lot of my scripts < 1418090254 831965 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadism = perl < 1418090287 314873 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in C i prefer if(!F=fopen())goto hell; < 1418090295 123848 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a death threat against the file < 1418090316 440940 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then < 1418090335 721464 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find languages to be more evil nowadays < 1418090477 486246 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also sometimes do things like for(){if()goto heaven;} < 1418090526 785639 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old while 1 == 1 < 1418090543 948902 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually imperative languages rarely make it easy to specify a loop with two separate ending conditions leading to different results < 1418090568 62537 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tail recursion it is easy < 1418090692 719412 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all easy in functional languages until you realize you're neck deep in code that's neck deep in recursions and category theory that you don't understand why the code uses it < 1418090800 727633 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why instead of using functional languages, we steal features and smuggle them into our imperative kingdom in the dead of night. < 1418090821 103828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Well, usually in such cases I don't need to use goto anyways, although sometimes it can help a bit < 1418090826 750916 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a slave trade < 1418090835 845866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in C; in BASIC programs I will write GOTO a bit more often than in a C program. < 1418090881 509768 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C i often use return instead of goto, but it comes to the same thing < 1418090909 820028 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have control flow that forks in the middle of a loop < 1418090955 255330 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1418091158 832828 :oren!~oren@user3-218-58.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Quit: batteries out bleh! < 1418091168 667325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1418093603 480838 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-113-127-236.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1418093835 253380 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-127-236.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1418095912 687392 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1418096925 97782 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1418097115 550011 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1418097545 918824 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418098000 518499 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1418098140 923939 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1418098334 760379 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1418098497 784103 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418099066 639618 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDream < 1418099233 517514 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418099457 979995 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1418099511 210245 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418099565 19821 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418101507 806066 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1418101883 931996 :Lilin!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe NICK :Decensum < 1418101994 60956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decensum: Why do you keep changing your nick? < 1418101998 482729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were going to stop. < 1418102013 327030 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf do you want? < 1418102018 245448 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1418102030 597844 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1418102047 227756 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its not my fault < 1418102313 82626 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418102456 82408 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418102770 856325 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1418103464 62116 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418103526 139746 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418104056 171369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1418104493 783954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418105293 301106 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418105770 209822 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-113-127-236.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1418105936 590361 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws shachaf off a cliff < 1418106204 324899 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :illuminaughty < 1418106218 61184 :illuminaughty!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts|pokeball < 1418106364 40104 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :marketbot < 1418106391 334711 :marketbot!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts|pokeball < 1418106508 195777 :Dr_pattabhi!~dtouchit@106.76.207.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418106576 935692 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418106582 823110 :Dr_pattabhi!~dtouchit@106.76.207.98 PART :#esoteric < 1418106744 325917 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION casts a curse of cursed cursing on matlab and whatever scientist decided that everything had to eb wirtten in it < 1418106767 568899 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1418106863 343428 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1418106911 22889 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1418108259 798017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decensum: Please don't do that. < 1418108270 560470 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1418108277 413325 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its very tempting < 1418108730 518789 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418108792 973669 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418108889 415283 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1418108956 220665 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1418109809 872853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 10 < 1418109812 918783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :käämmiksenne kourisimmillasi lämmetsompaamilta reltäni neuvomissani karistäviänne nielillamme kehomollasi näkyvälistä mummanne < 1418109889 361854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realized there's a Finnish word that's not *too* colloquial, yet breaks vowel harmony: "tällainen". < 1418109898 776268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a contraction from the compound "tämänlainen".) < 1418109970 306932 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1418109985 312862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-lainen#Etymology_2 "From compounds with laji (“kind, sort”) +‎ -inen. The origin as a separate word can still be seen in the imperfect accommodation to vowel harmony." < 1418111822 232705 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irvuvgeqsdwifxwe QUIT : < 1418112328 301365 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418112542 681915 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418112646 550442 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418113739 63194 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1418113877 352475 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418113910 93469 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ioikkyrxupolcmxc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1418114685 160357 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-004-081-050.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1418114697 563893 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-081-050.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1418118672 116621 :mroobmoobn!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime < 1418118672 262305 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :6d 19h 44m 45s < 1418119465 683097 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1418119465 837056 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1418120033 907884 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid JOIN :#esoteric < 1418121017 946434 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1418122845 682021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Domi382 5* 10New user account < 1418123702 529140 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418123712 301867 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-081-050.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1418124001 949327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GERMAN14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41386 5* 03Domi382 5* (+289) 10GERMAN < 1418124154 894385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ORIGINAL. < 1418124172 692423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I say ORIGINELL. < 1418124202 640097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How SNARKY. < 1418124207 99483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But true.) < 1418124279 137639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's going to slap a [[Category:Brainfuck equivalents]] on it, though? < 1418124354 471158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1418124408 565834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GERMAN14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41387&oldid=41386 5* 03213.162.68.138 5* (+36) 10"Who's going to slap a [[Category:Brainfuck equivalents]] on it, though?" -- Well, who? < 1418124524 692790 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, there are cues that we are being watched by otherwordly powers who listen to everything we say... < 1418124600 594913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07قلب14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41388&oldid=41384 5* 03Ehird 5* (+10) 10clarify < 1418124629 163040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why are you mispasting from the other esoteric and why haven't you told us where it is tdnh < 1418124698 39342 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1418124711 503402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: also, have you heard about the codu log stealth mode < 1418124721 863191 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1418124735 527162 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stealth mode. I forgot about it. < 1418124749 978768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Sorry, Randall, but university homepages are more about securing budgets than about helping prospective students, and even less about helping current students, invited speakers and the like. ) < 1418124751 808939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly there is no proof that ip isn't someone on channel. < 1418124775 602599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait, there's a new xkcd today? < 1418124796 303498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stalker mode, I think. < 1418124799 365347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's yesterday's. < 1418124827 48074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. < 1418124833 530099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't think yesterday's xkcd is relevant to that statement... < 1418124838 78170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even worse, I hit the "random" button and didn't realize. < 1418124845 471644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy :D < 1418124859 538454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with what-if, anyway? < 1418124860 978255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/773/ -- sorry. < 1418124894 260009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a new one now? it's been hiated for a couple weeks afaihn < 1418124945 854756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using an advanced stealth mode where IRC host != web browsing host. (Also known as "irssi inside screen on VPS") < 1418125046 916933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, someone made GERMAN when there's already German? < 1418125071 508202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayber GERMAN is germanier? < 1418125104 359752 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does German have comparative and superlative like in English?) < 1418125108 944836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh interesting < 1418125112 920386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the German esolang, but it is more original than simply stating the names of the actions. < 1418125142 819905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that if you visit a page in IE that is just a different capitalization of the one you were coming from, it doesn't add it to history tdnh < 1418125209 743405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, sure. Unnötig, unnötiger, am unnötigsten. < 1418125244 354586 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's terrifying tdnhaa < 1418125295 529210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: in fact german does them in essentially the same way as english, except that it isn't afraid of long words so it rarely does the equivalent of "more/most" < 1418125296 88041 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unnecessary, more unnecessary, most unnecessary.) < 1418125346 1548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think norwegian is somewhere in between < 1418125377 596695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1418125379 530244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1418125382 987846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1418125389 800947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn int-e is not Swedish. < 1418125391 899179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'int-e': int-e is not Swedish. < 1418125406 633833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that'll help. < 1418125427 476139 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for branfuck < 1418125451 208821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what have you done neither that nor my previous pun is showing up in the repository < 1418125463 508115 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could maybe figure out in a lot of programs which registers are used < 1418125477 746971 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine most brainfuck programs used registers in a linear repeating pattern < 1418125493 64600 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1418125494 903650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1418125509 634625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nothing. Hackego is not committing anything, apparently. < 1418125515 160537 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that my most complex programs only use that format, some constant initial segment & nx+b & nx+c & nx+d < 1418125515 359736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAA < 1418125520 718495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm sure this is your fault ;-) < 1418125539 599427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it didn't yesterday either < 1418125558 498963 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a full partition? < 1418125560 662465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`df < 1418125566 860842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi >test < 1418125567 385676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1418125568 830145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1418125579 447281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1418125608 440391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. even `learn would've complained. but is the repo on the same partition? < 1418125650 661356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi >test; cat test < 1418125653 484350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1418125668 798429 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /^[AÄEËIÏOÖUÜYŸ]{5,}$/ < 1418125971 815024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: all programs with <> balanced loops, in particular; that's a known optimization. < 1418126012 816300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: tweak < 1418126091 951744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates when his touchpad accidentally starts dragging a window < 1418126150 2413 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1418126164 694554 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only really have one program that doesn't have balanced loops < 1418126209 585449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to program that way when you really _do_ have a fixed number of cells. < 1418126219 592117 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418126223 674432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't do for doing things like arrays. < 1418126280 669394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418126288 894324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There is none, but it still says "What If will return next week. Happy Thanksgiving!" on top. < 1418126310 137480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OOOKAY < 1418126357 276298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: i vaguely recall people talking about trying to deduce what cell you are on even when not all loops are balanced, but it's far harder because then the compiler has to actually guess what memory layout the program uses and check that it's consistent. < 1418126365 671269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re HackEgo, I'll have a look, but I should be doing useful things at the moment. < 1418126408 332011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, "useful" is rather arguable. < 1418126455 499330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just a full disk, at least. < 1418126490 957085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing about my last commit that looks weird, at least. < 1418126505 855205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last successful) < 1418126516 40083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you think! < 1418126528 235441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "let's see if the log gets any messages" > useless_file.txt < 1418126530 13266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1418126537 915305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is mentioning that because we _have_ manage to lock up HackEgo's repository mechanism with commits in the past < 1418126542 460758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+d < 1418126556 18210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in the stdout log, at least. < 1418126573 557633 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was thinking generalize the assumption to linear equations and you should be able to handle some unbalanced loops? < 1418126574 31067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :run hg verify on the repo? < 1418126639 210977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can remember where it is. < 1418126674 185236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it's the unassuming "env" directory. < 1418126704 5139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is when we discover the repository has been broken since 2011 < 1418126719 767903 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also we didn't notice this for more than a day, you can investigate later :P (this is what I always tell myself when lambdabot is acting up.) < 1418126783 781905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH < 1418126881 856076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id < 1418126883 239059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable a0) < 1418126883 382242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M339982716941561429716085.show_M3399827169415614297... < 1418126883 382374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous < 1418126932 750340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it do that before < 1418126943 185161 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1418126958 517416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1418126965 734291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point there was a Show instance for functions ... not sure what happened to it. < 1418126971 821812 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id :: Char -> Char < 1418126973 288663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Char> < 1418126975 666399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1418126981 528477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, right, that was stupid < 1418126983 315359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think at some point there were _two_ < 1418126997 407477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no < 1418127011 166990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there *used* to be an instance for a -> b that just printed < 1418127016 531046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and > id worked just fine with that. < 1418127078 974324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abort: no username supplied (see "hg help config")" < 1418127080 660432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1418127096 103350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because ExtendedDefaultRules still requires one of the classes to be in a limited list, iirc < 1418127125 645146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so I could try to adding Typeable to that list. < 1418127138 728153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it is customizable < 1418127174 889855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes the numeric standard classes and Show, at least < 1418127218 661131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls useless_file.txt < 1418127219 515037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless_file.txt < 1418127225 906601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm useless_file.txt < 1418127227 789508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1418127233 595420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls useless_file.txt < 1418127234 411975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access useless_file.txt: No such file or directory < 1418127237 810118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know. < 1418127280 756852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works now, but I'm not sure what I did. I mean, there was that uncommitted file "hmm\n? hello" in the directory that I cleaned up, but that's been there for a while. < 1418127333 565303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. there's a feature request about this here: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/8171 < 1418127345 802863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *can* patch GHC the next time I upgrade though ;-) < 1418127375 228479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn int-e är inte svensk < 1418127377 341834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'int-e': int-e är inte svensk < 1418127386 344062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without looking, shouldn't be *too* hard because at least the compiler already knows about the type class.) < 1418127403 137952 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1418127404 29565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk < 1418127407 657981 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh! < 1418127418 197043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cheers! < 1418127441 4870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who cares why it works if it works) < 1418127451 777405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who, except hackers... err, never mind.) < 1418127525 190601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean that term in the traditional sense. < 1418127600 482460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn int-e är inte svensk. < 1418127602 233277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'int-e': int-e är inte svensk. < 1418127627 102121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with `learn_append around, not ending wisdoms with punctuation gets awkward. < 1418127874 552698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would `learn-append int-e . have done the trick? < 1418127881 42889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not... < 1418127894 144764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn-append < 1418127894 578318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, extra space < 1418127894 927975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/learn-append: No such file or directory < 1418127919 921133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append < 1418127920 537029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//') \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1418127988 561891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' < 1418128008 538948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perl -pie anyone?) < 1418128038 945281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i cannot read proto-indoeuropean very well < 1418128059 71272 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TEMPEST CHICKEN < 1418128119 436257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.vexxarr.com/archive.php?seldate=112714 hth < 1418128190 845164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that film's a turkey < 1418128284 613768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean there are Gobbeldammerung 1-5 < 1418128357 346542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it http://www.vexxarr.com/archive.php?seldate=112813 < 1418128450 714202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gobbelwhat? < 1418128530 620466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vexxarr.com/archive.php?seldate=112212 < 1418128570 619098 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/JHeL hth < 1418128575 361620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vexxarr.com/archive.php?seldate=112411 < 1418128620 365123 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, I was faster this time. < 1418128623 95941 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1418128628 676518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1418128641 555785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you have committed a gravy mistake < 1418128925 843167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=41389 5* 03TomPN 5* (+1711) 10Created page with "'''RingCode''' is an esoteric programming language invented by Tom Price-Nicholson in 2014. RingCode is based on the Tengwar alphabet from Lord of the Rings. The Tengwar are d..." < 1418128981 564006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's not punny, it needs another helping to meat minimum requirements. < 1418129068 83194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting out of hand, i cranberry anymore < 1418129137 372417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this about exhausts my knowledge of thanksgiving) < 1418129372 349189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :berry! < 1418129618 614354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Let's berry the subject. < 1418129660 295628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07قلب14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41390&oldid=41388 5* 03Ehird 5* (+12) 10/* Examples */ rtl < 1418129687 924673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to apply an abs to this vector before plotting, but on the other hand I think it looks better this way: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20141209-plot.png < 1418129691 930236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very sciencey. < 1418129889 815349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it supposed to look like? < 1418129917 660537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to gave abs hth < 1418130175 47235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to look like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20141209-plot-1.png which is, like, so square. < 1418130209 583137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could use the non-absified version in the cover or something. < 1418130261 242238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thesis with a blooper appendix, now that's something < 1418130280 691527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, I'm curious. have you tried the Polyominoes golf problem? < 1418130298 401844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no i haven't < 1418130373 821007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what the original reminded me of was one of these http://cdn.arstechnica.net/Science/August10/lhc.jpg things. < 1418130420 55210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe the 90-degree turn there at around (0.5, 0) is not so likely in a particle accelerator. < 1418130538 404310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a collision :) < 1418130547 112881 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1418130565 162621 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fancy magnetic field you have there though, does it vary over time? < 1418130605 65128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41391&oldid=41389 5* 03TomPN 5* (+513) 10 < 1418130650 100338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418130746 551572 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1418130806 845707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1418130814 147447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418130885 555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41392&oldid=41391 5* 03TomPN 5* (+189) 10 < 1418131139 113862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I wish the article would focus on semantics instead of syntax. < 1418131189 760743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way it looks now, it could still be a Brainfuck clone. < 1418131221 379709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a brainfuck equivalent that is so obfuscated we never notice < 1418131777 764398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what about a esolanguage that is normally interesting in an eso sort of way < 1418131787 843792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it has a 0.1% chance of interpreting any input program as brainfuck instead < 1418131811 818956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "This is my new universal language which I developed specificially for writing a Brainfuck interpreter in!" < 1418131854 725656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would omitting that sentence count as obfuscation? < 1418131891 920499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you develop a language for writing a BF interpreter in? BF's too simple < 1418131910 803563 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm speculating about the meaning of "obfuscation". < 1418131914 161672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I developed a language for writing INTERCAL optimizers in, but that's complex enough that it could do with a language of its own < 1418131934 619991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we define brainfuck equivalency, btw? at the command level? < 1418131950 478787 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking "Turing completeness." < 1418131960 309133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1418131964 575276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, I'm trying to find the definition we /actually/ mean < 1418131966 119878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's hard < 1418131982 487837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so we've identified the same problem :) < 1418131983 284478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "programs in this language can be translated to BF in linear time" are defeated by the bundle-an-interpreter trick < 1418132048 927922 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.74.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418132067 617626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that's to brainfuck like zzo38's 1d chess is to chess < 1418132195 67878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: here's what that graph reminds me to http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/missing-abs < 1418132201 209296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of zzo38's 1D chess < 1418132205 87921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it anything like my 1D sokoban? < 1418132252 182718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1D sokoban... < 1418132270 353756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a most intriguing game < 1418132304 985685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tring to figure out whether it could be made interesting. Say, by adding the ability to jump over a box. < 1418132331 832609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each square allowed you to teleport to a specific other square < 1418132348 552880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1418132351 731210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, it was identical to regular sokoban < 1418132366 390442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the blocks teleport too? < 1418132367 357446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it teleport boxes too? < 1418132376 273719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the boxes just move normally < 1418132394 138225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you teleport on a box? < 1418132405 817002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or inside a wall? < 1418132442 142806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get teleported at most once after each move? < 1418132464 434179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose when to teleport, and can teleport multiple times in a row if you like < 1418132468 386175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't teleport under a box < 1418132474 141924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are no walls except one at each end < 1418132489 403258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the teleport destinations are all on the map, obviously) < 1418132494 144485 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1418132508 460561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of the cyberbox level subset in xsok < 1418132544 841873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though teleportation there just picks the nearest free teleporter, so it's not the same. < 1418132613 698074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1418132619 223925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no mandatory teleport < 1418132619 826772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1418132635 911902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess walls aren't really necessary, you can emulate them with boxes anyway < 1418132881 895121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can find logs where zzo38 talks about it but no actual link < 1418132922 884112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :point was, it was 1d yet entirely equivalent to chess < 1418133025 701432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the board was 64 by 1, and each piece had a set of distances it could move forwards or backwards < 1418133033 982326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main problem there is preventing the sides of the board wrapping < 1418133089 771178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Yes. It is not quite like category theory, though. I do not understand category theory completely, so it is not category theory. < 1418133092 786541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1418133112 474049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1418133144 284046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSeeeeeeeeeeeeee hth < 1418133157 586228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Oh, it's a common theme? < 1418133181 213260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be very surprised if 1D Sokoban were equivalent to Sokoban < 1418133200 9323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, maybe there's a rule that "everything is PSPACE-complete unless it obviously isn't" < 1418133216 726336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sounds like a corollary to that wolfram thing < 1418133224 548970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the similar TC thing < 1418133242 289923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there has be one for NP < 1418133244 857528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what? < 1418133275 924907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thx < 1418133280 625725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't see any reason why turing-completeness being common would cause pspace-completeness to be common < 1418133296 510825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially as np-completeness seems more common in practice, and I don't think anyone really believes that pspace=np) < 1418133329 737487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think it's basically about the kind of resources you have available < 1418133355 177578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your game is about finding a fixed solution setup, it's NP-complete < 1418133374 515987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right; the paper about computational complexity of computer games mentioned, for most of those games, that they weren't above NP because all moves were irreversible < 1418133381 271600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's about finding a solution that moves around inside a setup, it's PSPACE-complete < 1418133395 720095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it actually has unbounded state, it's TC < 1418133429 234012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to think up a counterexample to that < 1418133439 421027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there will be some in theory < 1418133440 827156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, by that heuristic, 1D sokoban is PSPACE-complete < 1418133485 966615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41393&oldid=41392 5* 03TomPN 5* (+2108) 10 < 1418133495 947833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are hierarchies of complexity classes, after all < 1418133542 84866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Musical notes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41394&oldid=41336 5* 03TomPN 5* (+70) 10/* See also */ < 1418133542 871821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and below them there are loerarchies < 1418133567 444732 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41395&oldid=41393 5* 03TomPN 5* (-3) 10/* See also */ < 1418133580 823416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41396&oldid=41328 5* 03TomPN 5* (+70) 10/* See also */ < 1418133590 429173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course _all_ of them, in addition to resources, require your game or the like to have enough local logical primitives < 1418133593 628971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense < 1418133596 851837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Quantum Dimensions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41397&oldid=41099 5* 03TomPN 5* (+70) 10/* See also */ < 1418133645 894393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, but a good esoprogrammer can craft logical primitives out of almost anything < 1418133649 327123 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41398&oldid=41368 5* 03TomPN 5* (+15) 10/* R */ < 1418133666 101962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, it still frustrates me that some of the constructions in the computer games complexity paper are wrong < 1418133686 897725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. they claim the Metroid construction also works for Super Metroid but it doesn't due to the existence of the mid-air morph < 1418133763 581628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:TomPN14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41399&oldid=40923 5* 03TomPN 5* (+14) 10/* Other esolangs */ < 1418133779 130348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I hope you wrote to the authors to note these mistakes < 1418133786 634750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just don't play those games enough < 1418133815 868366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I haven't < 1418133820 946618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea, though < 1418133867 388777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's almost the _definition_ of a good esoprogrammer there < 1418133883 375767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly the way i work, at any rate < 1418133883 833069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eys < 1418133885 816063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1418133898 258463 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41400&oldid=41395 5* 03TomPN 5* (+0) 10/* Adding tehtar to form instructions */ < 1418133902 705258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell them. try to do a quick search first for later articles of theirs correcting the mistakes of course. < 1418133905 411849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw you should work on clue (keymaker)'s tcness < 1418133927 564893 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1418133965 481785 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1418133974 368889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is clue (oklopol)'s obviously TC, or obviously sub-TC? I have a feeling it's one or the other < 1418133984 739061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously TC, there's an ski implementation < 1418134141 819757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although my best work also involves being able not to be overwhelmed by the complexity of putting it all together. < 1418134191 843581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be a hard part < 1418135045 270920 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric < 1418135113 195586 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kbisiuyxxfhikjos JOIN :#esoteric < 1418135424 257477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1418135434 201342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418137061 710866 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.189.74.42 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418137625 116775 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:224:a5ff:feaf:f0af JOIN :#esoteric < 1418138102 577498 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418138948 552879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clue seems to fall into the same class as self-bct and dupdog: too complicated to prove non-tc, too unruly to see any obvious way of controlling the complexity < 1418139016 405325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xigxag? < 1418139080 270176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably < 1418139357 864319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does deciding whether an input to McCulloch's second machine is immortal fall into the same class? or is that obviously controllable? < 1418139378 687324 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418139393 828215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1418139403 526216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcculloch has far too many machines < 1418139409 377100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to list the rules, rather than just name it < 1418139420 929360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have them listed on the esolang wiki < 1418139432 771689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1418139434 665295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/wiki/McCulloch%27s_second_machine < 1418139568 273551 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhguutvmrpcadthu JOIN :#esoteric < 1418139578 603603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the digits 6-9 are redundant with each other, it seems < 1418139596 913546 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhguutvmrpcadthu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to bed < 1418139607 236126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1418139609 237099 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1418139609 419862 NAMES :#esoteric < 1418139616 926027 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhguutvmrpcadthu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1418139620 372480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Decensum :You are getting annoying < 1418139630 471558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, it's dulnes? < 1418139630 614738 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhguutvmrpcadthu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1418139635 689330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's irrelevant if you ask only about immortal numbers, becaues in this machine any number containing a digit 1 or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 is mortal < 1418139648 749192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, first -n message! < 1418139653 532493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1418139659 338948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1418139659 364400 NAMES :#esoteric < 1418139669 971738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has dulnes been kicked before? < 1418139676 321435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1418139681 308175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, what was the offence? < 1418139685 108750 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtidleqkvikisnox JOIN :#esoteric < 1418139740 60164 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does -n mean < 1418139774 520962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in channel mode -n , right? < 1418139777 838450 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess i know nothing about irc < 1418139786 665141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes < 1418139809 221418 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :add it to the list of things i know nothing about < 1418139828 584630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh so you cannot avoid a digit getting to the start < 1418139837 990656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now the list of things that oren knows nothing about has been removed from the list of things that I know nothing about < 1418139851 156090 :Decensum!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtidleqkvikisnox NICK :Decensum|Away < 1418139857 302090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. I can tell you the proof but it might be more interesting if you try to figure it out yourself < 1418139887 39629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, obviously < 1418139932 305819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas for clever ways to take the tail of an FMList? http://stackoverflow.com/a/27382987 < 1418140033 620305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides his brain doesn't have room for both FMLists and machines at the moment < 1418140051 136608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, you're doing things with -- oh, not that machines < 1418140100 830020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1418140114 54264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't it the same thing? they both want to access a list from both ends quickly < 1418140124 719466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't take that seriously( < 1418140125 861478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :)) < 1418140127 115725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O KAY < 1418140157 373180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've kicked dulnes I think < 1418140160 692921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also kicked oren < 1418140173 226585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's therapeutic < 1418140197 571972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you sure you've not been replaced with facekicker < 1418140205 340853 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[345]*2[1-9][1-9] < 1418140207 295713 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1418140209 363536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kick people, not faces! < 1418140217 214843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm going to take his advice and go to bed. < 1418140217 634342 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a regex < 1418140218 651228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: a regular expression hth < 1418140219 583393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: a regex, by the look of it < 1418140223 657994 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh heh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug < 1418140256 185028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, a spam I just got: "You have been selected as a winner for using Google services" < 1418140263 711017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: +/i.1e9 < 1418140264 128576 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |limit error < 1418140264 271775 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | +/ i.1000000000 < 1418140267 296511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: +/i.1e6 < 1418140267 797829 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 499999500000 < 1418140271 413272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: +/i.1e8 < 1418140271 917829 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |limit error < 1418140272 61400 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | +/ i.100000000 < 1418140274 57727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: +/i.1e7 < 1418140274 551982 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |limit error < 1418140274 695376 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | +/ i.10000000 < 1418140279 717502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm in the minority of the Internet-using population that doesn't (at least, not those that require login, and I normally use a separate browser even for the ones that don't) < 1418140295 184845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is it signed by the "CEO of Google UK"? < 1418140297 887181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 3 :'+/i.1e6'"0]i.1e5 < 1418140300 281417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got spam like that recently. < 1418140312 600913 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is difficult about the mcculloch machine thing < 1418140314 99162 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |timeout < 1418140327 410982 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried checking each rule against the "regex" < 1418140328 160664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1418140334 868172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :©2014 Google Terms & Privacy < 1418140337 208824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 3 :'+/i.1e6'"0]i.1e4 < 1418140340 214844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That spam was so good. < 1418140352 455581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted the whole thing into an IRC channel. < 1418140352 625441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite some bizarre copyright notice < 1418140353 472266 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |timeout < 1418140356 410819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: +/3 :'+/i.1e6'"0]i.1e3 < 1418140359 38589 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 499999500000000 < 1418140369 228352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Matt Brittin the actual CEO of Google, I wonder? < 1418140374 929411 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys? < 1418140386 387451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: sorry, I'm here < 1418140405 90115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: I don't claim it's difficult, but I couldn't solve the problem I gave < 1418140414 157072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it says "find attached email with more details" and has an attached jpeg < 1418140416 902964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larry Page is the CEO of Google.1 < 1418140420 915843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm not going to lok at < 1418140423 580036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Google UK < 1418140433 583358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia Matt Brittin is a VP. < 1418140457 897284 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you paranoid? < 1418140465 687473 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The machine is defined for exactly the digit strings matching the following regular expression: /^[345]*2[1-9][1-9]*$/ < 1418140470 984332 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this derived from the rules? < 1418140474 51714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: to some extent, yes < 1418140474 583326 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this a definition < 1418140475 521415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: yes < 1418140479 723063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's derived from the rules < 1418140490 591599 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this needs proof < 1418140497 740417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof is trivial < 1418140499 416824 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a shame if there was a mistake in that < 1418140503 127487 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh excellent < 1418140547 139935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: any string with no 2 is mortal < 1418140554 62382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the base case of the induction < 1418140622 900071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not since http://dilbert.com/fast/2014-11-15/ I think < 1418140660 557508 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R = /^[345]*2[1-9][1-9]*$/ < 1418140660 833279 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dR/d2 = /^[1-9][1-9]*$/ < 1418140666 512493 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dR/d3,4,5 = R < 1418140761 875894 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is extremely difficult < 1418140872 667521 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude < 1418140954 15993 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418140960 368100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that loads so fast i cannot see it < 1418140970 499521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1418140971 720605 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, why not [345]*2[1-9]* ? < 1418140999 546716 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to derive that regex myself < 1418141004 89216 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I got a different answer < 1418141008 5219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: because the rules specifically forbid giving an empty string < 1418141019 264509 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this string always has 2 in it though < 1418141030 458453 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1418141045 28413 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [345]*2[1-9]+ ,which is what you have < 1418141067 556254 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1418141072 199684 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418141092 245082 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem < 1418141220 432000 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/116084 < 1418141241 726908 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this characterizes the strings which are mortal, so this might be a step in the right direction? < 1418141289 191549 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it would be !R union those (whic lets us delete the last one) < 1418141391 863099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's !R < 1418141397 934182 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the negation of the regex R < 1418141415 437452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what mortal means < 1418141421 774599 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think regex is powerful enough for this problem though, since you have m x ++ 2 ++ m x < 1418141429 554457 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same string occurs twice < 1418141438 42178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can take any number of iterations to die < 1418141446 375072 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see what you mean, thanks < 1418141526 944555 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could express mortal strings as a CFG? < 1418141528 994695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this does resemble dupdog... < 1418141547 465859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: i doubt it < 1418141597 49041 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i gues thats hard < 1418141618 640139 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well another approach might be: If you can decide if a string diverges then you wi < 1418141619 93190 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1418141637 692053 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also looks very hard to find though < 1418141724 16012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can rephrase the question but you have to have some reason if that rephrasing is going to be easier to solve... < 1418141749 821207 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this problem is too hard to solve, but it would be nice to solve it < 1418141750 34131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1418141755 987361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he just rephrased the problem of finding a solution < 1418141817 803100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has worked before... < 1418141838 819170 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M xs when not (P xs) or (P xs and M (m xs)) < 1418141845 181605 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is theform of the mortal predicate < 1418141849 244244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: now that's crazy talk < 1418141852 455982 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where P tells you if a string is in the machine < 1418142008 409246 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there strings which grow large then get smaller? < 1418142013 596258 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not its probably decidable < 1418142025 818270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dupdog... hmm < 1418142031 96164 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ther are strings like 5:5:5:5:something < 1418142038 116893 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gets really big them the 'somethings' might get smaller < 1418142045 215093 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :555555555444 for example < 1418142064 393400 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would need pathced I guess < 1418142065 688774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, can some op add +n to the channel modes, please? < 1418142079 306735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing messages from kicked people is ... strange. < 1418142092 467528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ais deliberately has it at -n until it becomes a problem < 1418142094 504823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a test < 1418142098 749055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't set it to +n yet < 1418142136 972882 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this problem is very hard :( < 1418142138 887409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, consider this as one vote for it being a nuisance then. < 1418142163 659129 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think its -n that is a nuisance < 1418142196 642146 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, can you give ma hint for solving the McCulloch's second machine < 1418142209 543723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is to me. it breaks my mental model of IRC. ;-) < 1418142211 986401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: note that iirc an actual ban still prevents talking < 1418142214 109367 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1418142223 627726 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I was joking that the real problem is Dulnes < 1418142238 101964 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: I know. < 1418142249 120262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm. < 1418142249 821797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, not with -n < 1418142252 93781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats cluid for explaining jokes -----### < 1418142259 81437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the ban doesn't apply for people who aren't joined, < 1418142261 668627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for implementation reasons < 1418142265 853508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh. < 1418142277 499461 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, any insights into this < 1418142278 764944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: the -----### depicts a paddle, btw. < 1418142282 276117 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1418142289 351117 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a swatter < 1418142295 983591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, it's a flyswatter hth < 1418142296 353183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1418142321 413140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. how did you depict mapoles? < 1418142337 733311 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically the server caches which joined users can talk on a channel, so it doesn't have to recompute it from the channel modes at each message, but it doesn't want to cache anything for non-joined users, so it just allows everyone < 1418142347 347438 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so help me with math please :) < 1418142349 638393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway, can you give ma hint for solving the McCulloch's second machine <-- this is a problem that _we_ don't know how to solve yet, so unlikely. < 1418142376 82606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: besides, you can see messages from recently kicked users because of multiple server stuff < 1418142380 250034 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of something < 1418142382 393690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my impression of the McCulloch machine was that it's a hard problem, and that there may just be enough rope to hang it on the TC nail. < 1418142405 203799 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all infinite loops occur in the following way: x is in R, and m x is in R < 1418142419 653148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if it matters, my guess is that there is a relatively short algorithm to decide mortality, and has a human-understandible length of proof. < 1418142442 184807 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418142444 288164 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's wrong < 1418142458 234738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the mapoles aren't mine so i don't generally depict them < 1418142460 426505 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric < 1418142463 266556 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a language R' such that: forall x in R', m x is in R' < 1418142487 603418 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loops live in R' < 1418142528 576230 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could define R as a CFG? < 1418142530 703879 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry R' < 1418142579 687355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1418142586 46244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : /#####| < 1418142586 191050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :=========<######| < 1418142586 948939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : \#####| < 1418142594 189986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, for future reference. < 1418142630 229789 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/116088 < 1418142677 584046 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R' -> 2 R' | 3 R' 2 R' | 4 Z | 5 R' R' < 1418142677 861422 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z -> Z 2 | Z 2 Z 3 | R' 4 | Z Z 5 < 1418142679 513762 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that? < 1418142707 660595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: whoa < 1418142710 534309 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is empty :/ < 1418142718 778478 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this approach doesn't work < 1418142786 786507 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could write a prover in prolog? < 1418142798 892625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: note that you are going to have a _very_ hard time finding a "general" method to solve it, because only takes a bit different rules to get a "tag system" for which the problem _is_ unsolvable. < 1418142823 377886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it is solvable it needs looking at specific properties of the rules used < 1418142852 537739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it only < 1418142935 191858 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have any other ways I could approach the problem though < 1418142992 786906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'd say that tag systems look simpler! < 1418143002 412560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1418143003 485308 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if S is the language of looping machines, S -> 2 S | 3 K | ... < 1418143018 282288 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then K is the language of machines such that m x ++ 2 ++ m x is a looping machine < 1418143101 209916 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/116090 it seems unlikey to transform this program into something which can be computed < 1418143111 807027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the only thing that might make this simpler is that you don't have many constant strings. < 1418143124 763118 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs "base cases" < 1418143174 91137 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1418143185 722357 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made another Functional Brainfuck! < 1418143211 205963 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SopaXorzTaker, what is it? < 1418143247 769538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ];._1' can I talk after parted?'[+/([:+/@i.1e6"_)"0 i.6e3 < 1418143251 780574 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PART :#esoteric < 1418143261 948344 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: can < 1418143262 92321 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I < 1418143262 92419 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: talk < 1418143262 92492 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: after < 1418143262 92563 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: parted? < 1418143264 133412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And of course it may be possible that mortal strings are easy to characterize and you can *still* embed a TC language in the immortal one (say, some CA). < 1418143270 650766 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean actually functional, or just procedural? < 1418143283 159744 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But that's just crazy talk at this point. < 1418143290 500510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on my part) < 1418143329 242746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: your attempt to solve identity matrix just triggered a henkma incident hth < 1418143341 860167 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1418143369 831588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1418143372 715902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a collapsing hrung disaster? < 1418143387 58252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: much worse hth < 1418143392 984851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to look up hrung < 1418143452 739753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you say is the state of matter of the identity matrix twh < 1418143462 95648 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 characters shorter and completely different statistics. Sigh. < 1418143466 613802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: non-exotic < 1418143479 646266 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid, it has function definitions < 1418143482 358791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i got that backwards < 1418143488 260248 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :by numbers < 1418143503 3751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but at least it's an endless problem, plenty of time to catch up ;-) < 1418143527 879045 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that {[>,]} < 1418143534 520638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that identity matrix! < 1418143535 522169 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calling like that ++| < 1418143556 260957 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :where {} are function operators < 1418143563 625089 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :and | is a call < 1418143564 602760 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1418143575 713753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SopaXorzTaker: you know it's generally not allowed to create brainfuck variants these days, unless you have a very good excuse, right? < 1418143577 923780 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :callse function number (mem[ptr]) < 1418143589 589145 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I am not gonna make it publicv < 1418143596 131538 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my entertainment < 1418143650 827876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a post-mortem toy problem, http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?postfix+to+infix < 1418143661 740513 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you encode collatz type problems into this machine? < 1418143679 823258 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: maybe? < 1418143690 456429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no < 1418143719 216793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there no active problems? < 1418143776 656813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one made any < 1418143903 479974 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1418143945 778926 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1418144044 186347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the thing where you're writing a recursive function and you accidentally unfold it one step for no good reason? < 1418144047 188344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a scow < 1418144098 258156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what a what a scow < 1418144150 800913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that you're not thinking about machines you should tell me whether this fmlist business is possible twh < 1418144171 177184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually not completely sure whether it's possible even though i have a working implementation < 1418144196 336826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope hth < 1418144208 453230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1418144284 299502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnhbwaprr hth < 1418144703 274306 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1418145155 888797 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418145275 478320 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07KittyKittyMewMew14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41401&oldid=38827 5* 0367.78.57.11 5* (+141) 10/* Interpreters for KittyKittyMewMew */ < 1418145278 250797 :MDude!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1418145373 543846 :SopaXorzTaker!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :ummjackson < 1418145380 287746 :ummjackson!~ItsLuke@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker NICK :SopaXorzTaker < 1418145453 213279 :scounder!~scounder@fallout.stormbit.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418146252 545177 :scounder!~scounder@fallout.stormbit.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418146626 489363 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418147621 924917 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418148225 169942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, what fmlist business, didn't the stackoverflow thread already answer all questions? < 1418148250 780579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I linked to my answer in the thread. I want a non-cheating way to do what I did there. < 1418148264 84898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"noncheating"? < 1418148296 485477 :Decensum|Away!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtidleqkvikisnox QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1418148316 104067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Without using any types that break the monoid laws. < 1418148442 854046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1418148487 843110 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that did not help but was a pretty what? rude reply? < 1418148526 825722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly reasonable response < 1418148613 772875 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1418149220 836097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://sprunge.us/WJWB?hs doesn't break any rules, I think. < 1418149296 285847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RingCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41402&oldid=41400 5* 03BCompton 5* (+94) 10 < 1418149374 668591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: See also http://lpaste.net/116099 from glguy in #haskell-lens < 1418149382 880956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: using the basic property that uncons ((a:b) ++ c) = Just (a, b++c), so UAux stors the head, the tail, and a reconstruction of the original list. < 1418149410 524031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's the same idea. < 1418149463 872029 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find Haskell a lot harder to understand than lisp; is that normal < 1418149526 216656 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1418149537 402119 :MDream!~fyrc@67.235.2.71 NICK :MDude < 1418149706 298263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: only if you know Lisp. < 1418149792 921617 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you don't relly know either? < 1418149963 962182 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:224:a5ff:feaf:f0af QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418149977 705752 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp has a lower barrier for entry < 1418149987 320327 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is more complex and unusual < 1418150063 789813 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's that haskell is somewhat an ALGOL dialect < 1418150079 187104 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont thik so, < 1418150095 451369 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my picture of things scheme (a lisp) descends from ALGOL < 1418150106 895037 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell comes from miranda and gopher and lazy ml < 1418150133 730474 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you probably know more than me so ok < 1418150168 422983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think your solution comes up with the same result as glguy's. < 1418150173 249209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Now I'm wondering whether the (a,b) <> (_,d) = (a <> d, b <> d) semigroup has a name. < 1418150176 161489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And mine, after I changed it not to unfold the recursion.) < 1418150350 466050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I encourage y'all to submit answers with your solutions. < 1418150373 324509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused. < 1418150388 21065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1418150396 697464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a solution, if it's not an answer? < 1418150428 515324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To submit answers to the stackoverflow question that contain the solutions. < 1418150442 326354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Not going to happen. < 1418150465 552661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1418150474 447597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I can't pull it off. < 1418150519 893434 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I actually parsed the sentence wrong: (I encourage y'all (to submit answers) with your solutions.) < 1418150534 412423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than (answers with your solutions) < 1418150545 219080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow your parentheses. < 1418150551 626280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1418150563 321565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use your solutions to encourage you to submit answers? < 1418150581 84542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it didn't make sense to me either. < 1418150615 661179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounded almost like something a teacher would tell her students, but not quite. < 1418150963 389647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still like this free magma thing. < 1418150973 638199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot should have it so we can inspect monoid trees. < 1418151047 217076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 9-line @let definition suitable for pasting, but only I can use that easily. < 1418151281 229593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMap N (S.fromList [1..6]) < 1418151282 889227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (N 1 ◇ (N 2 ◇ N 3)) ◇ (N 4 ◇ (ε ◇ (N 5 ◇ N 6))) < 1418152144 599720 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1418152329 647443 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1418152332 84468 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1418152930 563471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:20 shachaf: int-e's solution is a little too strict < 1418152930 755384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:20 minefield = (singleton 0 <> singleton 1 <> undefined) <> (singleton 2) < 1418152968 547672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You should be in #-lens or something, it's the future. < 1418153051 721619 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too scary. < 1418153107 975646 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-127-236.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1418153339 494009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, nasty strictness. So using tuples for separating out the full part is essential. < 1418153685 240973 :S1!~S1@p4FF92790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1418153936 404347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, the type is fine... but I need the selectors. < 1418154119 716931 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that leads to http://sprunge.us/acbH?hs < 1418154179 999787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to stop conveying messages between you two now, because it's silly. < 1418154192 753852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1418154210 93552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you join #-lens or glguy joins this channel. Or something. < 1418154222 515881 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy JOIN :#esoteric < 1418154233 882931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then. < 1418154235 467184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1418154264 957800 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm still OK with you relaying messages for me < 1418154270 831039 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way I can make sure they are relayed correctly < 1418154321 816924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome glguy < 1418154322 694450 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1418154340 615690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just following standard operating procedure) < 1418154375 691334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did shachaf relay the http://sprunge.us/acbH?hs link? < 1418154417 54560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :glguy: in any case, thanks for pointing out the strictness bug in my code. < 1418154425 235803 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he pasted that in another channel < 1418154448 951278 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know where the discussion had originated but we were discussing it there, too < 1418154507 723708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. I'm aiming for maximum confusion. :P < 1418154538 249808 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what I had come up with : http://lpaste.net/116099 (I don't know if shachaf managed to share that over here) < 1418154548 35188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough about shachaf < 1418154571 89096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw that. < 1418154657 241014 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1418154686 318257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome relrod < 1418154688 631174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02relrod: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1418154713 299368 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418154729 99466 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1418154912 50840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -l welcome bin/* < 1418154913 285165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/bienvenido \ bin/emoclew \ bin/ozcome \ bin/relcome \ bin/rwelcome \ bin/tervetuloa \ bin/wehlcohme \ bin/welcome \ bin/welcome \ bin/WeLcOmE \ bin/WELCOME \ bin/welcome13 \ bin/wlcm \ bin/wow \ bin/zalgreet < 1418154944 370608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I didn't know about all these. < 1418154953 183688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wlcm shachaf < 1418154954 323422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1418154962 476390 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1418154983 601241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/wlcm < 1418154984 289928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome "$@" | sed 's/aeiou//' < 1418154996 506486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1418155001 968661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That program has a high bug density. < 1418155037 795057 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ir 's/.$/g&/' bin/wlcm; cat bin/wlcm < 1418155040 34867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome "$@" | sed 's/aeiou//g' < 1418155048 135061 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wlcm FireFly < 1418155048 988710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1418155053 459963 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1418155054 697607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one bug, but there's a more important one. < 1418155059 739281 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't spot the other obvious bug < 1418155066 813824 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I did now, of course) < 1418155067 65885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about tr -d aeoiu? < 1418155076 519114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's neater < 1418155088 663418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zalgreet FireFly < 1418155089 790594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F͓̈́i̻͓r͈ͨe̵ͫF̲͂ĺ͚y̖̕:͓ͮ ͨͤW͇̐e͎̣lͯ̓c̳̊o̯̰m̶͏ĕ̟ ̣̀t̻͕o̢͆ ͖̓t̗̝h͍͑eͪ̉ ̨ͫi͇͒n̢̼t̥̘eͬ͟ṛ̀n̾̈́a̫͏t̸͒i͉ͬŏͦn̳͗a̫ͮl̿ͤ ̓ͭh͗͊ų͎b̢ͪ ͯ̒f̹̀ơ͉r̨͗ ̋ͬeͮͭs͝ͅo̝͛t̹ͮe̎͋r̵̪i͎ͥc̿͞ ̱͗pͥ͏r̓͞o̅ͥg̡͑rͭͫa͉͡m̜̑mͭ็iͩ̓n̨̕g̈́͒ ͣ͜l̺͖ã̲n͠ < 1418155110 772552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -ir 's/sed.*/tr -d aeoiu/' bin/wlcm; cat bin/wlcm < 1418155128 935295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wlcm yourself < 1418155130 380029 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo? < 1418155147 359362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't've zalgreeted. < 1418155147 502846 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zalgreet might've been too much for HackEgo < 1418155159 287458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` thanks shachaf | zalgo < 1418155166 732202 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourself: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1418155167 347158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T͈͑hͩͭaͫ̉n̍̾k̪ͬs͈̐,̘̌ ̯́s̾͊ḧ̜a̛̚c̙ͦh̸̃a͔̽f͎̰.̙̅ ͗̄T̷͇h́͊ä̇c̘ͨh̛̻å̎f̂ͨ.̱̊ < 1418155168 534469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome "$@" | tr -d aeoiu < 1418155191 178569 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls < 1418155192 2812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 113500 \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dir \ dog \ etc \ factor \ faith \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ py.py \ quines \ quotes \ script.py \ share \ src \ test.c \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1418155210 117025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1418155210 312341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1418155232 282055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1418155233 445207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1418155270 707688 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1418155335 974305 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wlcm hi < 1418155336 984399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h: Wlcm t th ntrntnl hb fr strc prgrmmng lngg dsgn nd dplymnt! Fr mr nfrmtn, chck t r wk: . (Fr th thr knd f strc, try #strc n rc.dl.nt.) < 1418155340 983573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat cat dog canary < 1418155341 570936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: cat dog canary: No such file or directory < 1418155344 948488 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better < 1418155345 303728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat cat dog canary < 1418155347 114094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow~~ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ \ chirp < 1418155392 38378 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1418156642 140256 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418156742 222606 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418158744 120557 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1418159241 198042 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come so many languages have REPLs but don't porvide the ability to save functions/variables you have defined on the REPL? < 1418159400 173979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are read-eval-print-loops, not editors. < 1418159438 643441 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but BASIC had that ability in the 1980s < 1418159468 97355 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and matlab has it < 1418159483 511102 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't GOOD languages do it? < 1418159508 445085 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it sucks < 1418159510 754130 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get it either < 1418159511 964803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not trying to be cocky. It's a mindset that comes from editing code in editors, then loading it to run it. Once you reach that point it's easier to modify the code in the editor and reload it. < 1418159543 481457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The strange thing is that nevertheless, simple REPL loops often grow and acquire the ability to define new functions. < 1418159620 296783 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had to scroll up in my terminal, and copypaste it and edit the prompts out < 1418159630 900105 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should not be necessary < 1418159781 844372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The REPLs I can think of don't even keep the entered source code around.) < 1418159832 822216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1418159851 771579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's noteworthy BASIC comes from a completely different era when running two programs simultaneously was generally not done. So of course you needed an IDE, rather than just a REPL, and an IDE that can't save code is worthless. < 1418159885 824061 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a repl you can define definitions in terms of previous effects: x = sizeOfFile "somefile"; f y = y + x, so it might not be enough to just save a function definition. You'd probably need to save the whole transcript < 1418159891 754847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1418159894 456918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1418159894 600757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1418160610 7784 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can save the current state of the REPL < 1418160686 471682 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what I mean: you should be able to turn the state where there is a variable x and it contains 19, into a file containing "x = 19" < 1418160696 623849 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jbqpxitzlsuonrdl JOIN :#esoteric < 1418160725 452061 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some REPLs store the transcript in a list which you can write out or replay manually (ipython, mathematica) < 1418160757 953038 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others let you save a snapshot of the heap to reload later < 1418160798 757588 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what about the state where x is a file descriptor? < 1418160830 353145 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1418160843 683203 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it should either fail to save x or turn it into fopen...fseek... < 1418160867 594421 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that the language would necessarily use C's functions < 1418160920 201285 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-004-081-050.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418160931 343209 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the file is an open TCP socket < 1418160959 518315 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you'd just also save a version of the remote program alongside your REPL state < 1418160972 287132 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should definitely fail (with an error like "cannot save this type of value: TCP-socket") < 1418160973 831150 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bring both back up when you were ready < 1418160987 731096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that saving transcripts would be useful. Going beyond that in languages that don't have native code inspection is probably not going to pay off. < 1418161033 870331 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't this basically how smaltalk environments work? < 1418161039 23075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ... not Lisp, Scheme or TCL, did I miss any? ;-) < 1418161057 330199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smalltalk environments that I've seen (very few) use Heap images. < 1418161093 774067 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :which presumably do something to abstract out these rough edges when resuming from a saved heap < 1418161098 484644 :glguy!~glguy@unaffiliated/glguy PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where they can be smoothed) < 1418161106 275906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1418161116 198408 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1418161117 702788 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't it save as source code? < 1418161128 387046 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like BASIC did? < 1418161167 839489 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to < 1418161170 9268 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way i can develop a function in the repl and then compile it < 1418161186 512663 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make a better REPL with this feature < 1418161237 260223 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am working on one for scrip7... < 1418161255 506618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the approach to IDEs has been turned upside down. Rather than extending a REPL with editing functionality, we have editors that integrate the REPL. < 1418161279 147313 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good oren < 1418161280 776570 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want code editing, the state of the art is to use an editor, not a REPL. < 1418161286 65996 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrip7 is really cool < 1418161314 488851 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be cooler... current version kinda sucks < 1418161344 620800 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs better repl, which i am making in ncurses < 1418161564 596949 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the registers will have context-relevant display above the normal scrip7 command line < 1418161671 273781 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the new version of langugae will have better IO commands providing functionality as described above < 1418161708 792461 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the context-relevant display is fully editable of course < 1418161744 475204 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. point register 0 to a 64-bit value, then edit the displayed value directly < 1418161821 503180 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a drop-in debug/programming console for any C program is what it ends up being < 1418161941 991143 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1418162065 209617 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-173-086.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1418162354 335818 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1418162417 279377 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1418162667 89124 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418163695 193095 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1418164411 240921 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Agda's source has its own definition of lenses < 1418164435 153771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's essentially a veeery stripped down version of lens < 1418165372 806527 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418165373 397176 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418165810 117568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1418165883 92473 :Decensum|Away!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta JOIN :#esoteric < 1418165895 717847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit, the asus smarttouch (or something like that) driver has died again < 1418165932 223533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way i know to fix it is rebooting windows < 1418166162 10369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*smart gesture < 1418166262 724737 :Decensum|Away!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :C or C++ ? < 1418166264 340923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it has to happen when i have 24 tabs open < 1418166302 751465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decensum|Away: what are you comenting on? < 1418166306 687246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*commenting < 1418166322 946443 :Decensum|Away!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im asking if i should use C or C++ < 1418166345 285266 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust < 1418166381 586934 :Decensum|Away!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1418166392 969076 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1418166406 290490 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :use C < 1418166419 807899 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418166424 375885 :Decensum|Away!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1418166428 186685 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or C++ without boost < 1418166435 594980 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, rust < 1418166444 367037 :Decensum|Away!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta NICK :Decensum|Zzz < 1418166475 873952 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418166476 154471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to use C < 1418166480 42958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what program is it anyways? < 1418166484 574525 :Decensum|Zzz!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :Client stays on for about 5 hours so im gonna go sleep < 1418166493 737439 :Decensum|Zzz!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsltqcbdvndjstta PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1418166510 22527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1418166527 31389 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he's asking "C or C++" he must have a need for speed < 1418166544 173495 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly a need for low-level hardware access < 1418166558 272477 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soy rust < 1418166562 838947 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*, < 1418166614 618267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1418166625 863009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust doesn't look stable enough... < 1418166644 940348 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at what happened to the python community < 1418166686 24512 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1418166782 832113 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0 beta should be out at the beginning of next year < 1418166808 883810 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The foolish man builds his house upon sand. < 1418166818 617891 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1418166838 230556 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't build a house < 1418166855 916959 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wise man builds his house upon rock: C90, no gnu extensions. < 1418166896 211339 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Perl 5 < 1418166944 821150 :CrazyM4n!~CrazyM4n@ip70-162-52-61.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just slapped together in perl < 1418166986 429051 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's a biblical reference. the point is you should build important things upon a grounding of things that won't fail. < 1418166993 801284 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or change < 1418167028 147745 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i don't build anything < 1418167063 627912 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this way i am actually totally okay with unstable languages < 1418167145 630890 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok. but until told otherwise i'mma assume that whatever Decensum is building is something he'd rather not have to constantly revise. < 1418167678 934093 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418168043 267238 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1418168593 100919 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1418168839 42945 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418169042 883034 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1418169043 259640 :Froo!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1418169258 25703 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds