< 1417565200 493193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41315&oldid=41309 5* 03BCompton 5* (+0) 10 < 1417565274 780092 :S1!~S1@pD9FCAD2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1417565392 625659 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1417565526 767011 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417565610 261977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1417565752 322430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: Haskell is good for your health. it fills your daily quota of vitamonads. < 1417565972 129428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good past midnoily < 1417565985 152671 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon soerjan. < 1417566209 827831 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWS has an awful user interface < 1417566235 807017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: it's all in the acronym if you squint at it < 1417566272 210665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417566286 993412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1417566390 342201 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm getting it for free so maybe i can't rightfully comlain < 1417566395 887974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that could mean amazon web services or athena widget set, i'm sure it applies equally to both. < 1417566406 787117 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazonweb services < 1417566444 955893 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, athena. it sure doesn't bring any memories. < 1417566532 809077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're either ironic or too young hth < 1417566573 812186 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter htah < 1417566596 620740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also thought for a moment that it might apply to the original java widget set, but that has acronym AWT < 1417566672 698741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm an esolang in which every concept has an acronym that usually means something else. < 1417566681 803467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Private Data Field < 1417566693 783077 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really Esoteric Programming Language < 1417566728 373192 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :General Number Unit < 1417566797 112950 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdf gnu x;//private signed x < 1417566816 347588 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twitches
< 1417566934 905600 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary Style Decimal < 1417566967 900127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immediate Register Set < 1417566976 883672 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :public internal name < 1417566993 524999 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function Behaviour Iterator < 1417567014 899059 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :serously make this language! < 1417567031 640506 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb named it! it's his! < 1417567031 987617 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rous/rious/ < 1417567060 123820 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :serously means in a way resembling serum < 1417567062 274305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/riotous/ < 1417567064 462921 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopeful Timed Message Layer < 1417567115 328105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Time Flatbed Monitor < 1417567181 974871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are the top google picture hits for "flatbed monitor" tanks? < 1417567204 428756 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a flatbed monitor? < 1417567216 452587 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monitor used to mean a ship that bombards cities hth < 1417567225 747836 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would guess because you transport tanks on flatbed trucks < 1417567241 248693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: tmhhians < 1417567267 908553 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you even flatbed? < 1417567268 214559 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: using unload and load totally random and end up extending the test by 1.5 hours. so, it's under the public domain. < 1417567295 110849 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'got unloads and loads flatbeds. he's an expert. < 1417567296 274252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that is what i was trying to find out. < 1417567309 70782 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, boily said it < 1417567311 597255 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell boily < 1417567316 93131 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417567342 372372 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... uhm... well... I was trying to think of an F-word that wasn't “function”, cause I already used it. < 1417567356 228690 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first thing that popped through my mind was flatbed. < 1417567367 397579 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :factory < 1417567376 324037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1417567389 154827 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>'... < 1417567397 642772 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :final fitting fully fantasy < 1417567444 222950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Objective Kernel Application Y... wtf is a word on Y that fits < 1417567452 475529 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :foundry fortress funding finned fish filet < 1417567452 622605 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y combinator? < 1417567478 7849 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417567493 124578 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seriously lacking in the f-word department. I guess I could've even went with the fungot... < 1417567493 560672 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: edw just gave you 4 points, thought that might be the lack of tape... in theory, but they're fairly obscure compared even to postgresql. not tha there's anything wrong with this < 1417567507 910433 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, points! < 1417567520 682003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is so helpful < 1417567520 824892 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in which scheme is sarahbot? < 1417567573 269982 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does f_ngot do anyway? search for a word and give you a sentnce in whichyou used it? < 1417567588 533706 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is < 1417567588 809786 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: the spider was moving around its web systematically, picking off individual bits of sawdust all over it < 1417567595 925396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw i was imagining an actual horizontal monitor in some kind of frame hth < 1417567630 436865 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1417567630 580099 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1417567630 866493 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a sentence in general... < 1417567641 537712 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren, it should be clear from the source code! < 1417567644 412918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: it has a set of styles for markov generation < 1417567646 165518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1417567646 308544 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1417567667 752203 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so cool < 1417567678 184125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually base the sentence on anything you say - it doesn't have a way to convert words to internal tokens for that, even < 1417567703 47583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tokens being numbers, i presume) < 1417567777 614230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append boily He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1417567779 708409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'boily': boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1417567792 362741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1^0 < 1417567794 94766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1417567895 809872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined^0 < 1417567897 114286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1417567907 887823 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what < 1417567923 350000 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is ^ defined for an undefined < 1417567927 942682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually look at the first argument if the exponent is 0 < 1417567940 575575 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fungot... and now I find myself back to my Old Torment, on a reformatted machine... < 1417567940 829247 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if i plan to extend it for ip travel to the past < 1417567945 165611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how much haskell believes in that rule < 1417567975 591719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given how ^ is polymorphically defined and not a method, that's the only sensible way to do it, too) < 1417568014 369903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could have errored out, i guess. but where's the fun in that. < 1417568022 933342 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pawlymorfishim < 1417568113 371831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: old torment? < 1417568128 35619 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so i am working on a thing that allows you to program without any text as code < 1417568156 799562 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just right click on objects and tell them to do things like age of empires < 1417568201 320090 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complex program would resemble an economy < 1417568209 951503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1417568231 753753 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the PDF. < 1417568246 656362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it's not just a visual language with boxes, good. < 1417568268 314531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ah. i'd been wondering if you've kept that up-to-date lately. < 1417568280 268587 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not since September 30. < 1417568288 237707 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shame on me.) < 1417568303 580064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ARE WE PAYING YOU FOR < 1417568348 822976 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :申し訳ありません、ørjan先生 < 1417568349 385140 :colellis!6c56d58a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.86.213.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417568386 734544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the GTmobile... < 1417568409 508692 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trans: i am so sorry, mr. oerjan < 1417568440 472773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says it means "teacher", not "mr."? < 1417568468 53315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's actually the word sensei < 1417568479 642408 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally yes but that title is also used for politicians and doctors < 1417568521 243113 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "he who has lived previously to me" < 1417568531 886329 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something along those lines < 1417568543 642787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes the japanese are weirdos who respect their politicians, aren't they < 1417568560 974007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "elder"? < 1417568586 635721 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, possibly-- < 1417568595 331328 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably so, afaik hth < 1417568633 517180 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the japanese are weird in many ways hth < 1417568643 392621 :colellis_!6c56d58a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.86.213.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417568655 280192 :colellis_!6c56d58a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.86.213.138 QUIT :Client Quit < 1417568657 120665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: そうですね… < 1417568690 774568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOO i had just closed GT < 1417568699 457845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god for ctrl-shift-T < 1417568705 148246 :colellis!6c56d58a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.86.213.138 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1417568742 798247 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GT? what is that < 1417568751 259427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate hth < 1417568777 454435 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said "indeed..." < 1417568881 192271 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation is very much an unsolved problem < 1417568949 848074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but now everyone can fake it! < 1417568958 481584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and badly too! < 1417569081 176317 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watche Moe bin dårlig oversatt hva norsk. < 1417569183 301226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat did you go via japanese or something < 1417569219 633059 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just badly mangled québécois :D < 1417569220 807071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the three first words aren't even norwegian unless Moe is a surname. < 1417569255 452998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact Moi is a norwegian surname too, a somewhat famous cook < 1417569264 674283 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417569274 31485 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad speaks quebecois and he is unable to speak to parisians < 1417569283 967154 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«watche moé bin mal traduire de quoi en norvégien» → “just watch me badly translate something into Norwegian” < 1417569306 941442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "bin" mean < 1417569313 978614 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: do you speek French yourself? < 1417569334 619983 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Suffolk County Legislature Tuesday passed legislation to require all county buildings to post notices that wireless routers are in use. < 1417569334 763578 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resolution, sponsored by Legis. William Spencer (D-Centerport), warns that every wireless device emits radio frequency radiation or microwave radiation. < 1417569337 44791 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I do have some problems with parisians sometimes... I have a pretty strong accent with regional idioms...) < 1417569347 849448 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot. oo e le metro silver plate? < 1417569357 536591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo e? < 1417569361 566097 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is < 1417569379 554576 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ha ha ha :D < 1417569393 292098 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my french is much worse than my japanese < 1417569394 293833 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a contraction of «bien», used as a verbal punctuation. < 1417569407 628169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bien mal, okay < 1417569434 907153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Parisian are further away from eachother than, say, Yorkshire and Texan? < 1417569448 842155 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: rather “be sure to look at me good” < 1417569472 144633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I had meant «bien mal», I'd have said «watche moé bin bin mal traduire...») < 1417569489 550485 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quebecois is like a dialect that split during the 1700's. it's like portuguese vs spanish < 1417569500 985951 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or around that range anyway < 1417569520 250593 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1417569567 509 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's still somewhat the same language underneath... we just have different anglicismes than they do. < 1417569586 555850 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a different accent with quite distinct vowels < 1417569629 607374 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! ^^ < 1417569630 491336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't technically english and american _also_ split during the 1700s, like < 1417569645 172447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear there was some noise about that < 1417569651 173601 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :american kept better contact with english < 1417569653 76593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not totally sure how to architect stuff in OTP < 1417569656 896485 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. that's mainly why you'll find the rhotic r anywhere except in the UK. < 1417569666 337190 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can't help but wonder if stuff in the Elixir standard lib goes against OTP principles < 1417569669 384377 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you rhotic? < 1417569681 184551 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I believe not. < 1417569701 836606 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing is my dad puts an h in white and i don't < 1417569704 284102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i thought the uk was like the center of _not_ being rhotic < 1417569721 498205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the us was outside < 1417569726 809472 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1417569754 151839 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417569759 491960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well boily seemed to say something vaguely opposite < 1417569764 348523 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad is like "huwite" and i'm like 'wite' < 1417569778 366908 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? I said that rhoticism is quite absent from the UK. < 1417569829 10812 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: about the same. /ʍ/ < 1417569884 918386 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't remeber how to type ipa i took intro linguistics in first year... < 1417569897 156971 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now its been 4 years < 1417569899 743798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh hm ambiguous "anywhere" construction < 1417569920 135390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1417569940 188633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: linguistics student? < 1417569953 277154 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a computer science major < 1417569961 550097 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :D < 1417569965 580352 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it's actually in some accents, I believe it's in the Somerset accent? < 1417569994 64940 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: perhaps. I admit I'm nowhere an expert about English English accents. < 1417570004 738364 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically uk ppl are like 'caaa' and everyone else is like 'you mean car' < 1417570045 91374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English#England < 1417570069 102942 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren, if I say "caa" to me that sounds scouse < 1417570132 107793 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people "caa"ed me I'd expect a «lisse» to follow soon after. < 1417570188 76805 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I think I can be concsiously rhotic < 1417570261 100626 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not if I'm not thinking about it? < 1417570381 217039 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I still can't compile the wisdom on that texlive install... apparently I fell through an interim Greek package and now I'm stuck with http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/191685/lgrxenc-def-not-nound . < 1417570398 799990 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pentadactyl's nightlies are incompatible with firefox 34.0... < 1417570405 348860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: does that mean you complete tabs with ernacle? < 1417570436 820370 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever get custom printed keycaps, that one is definitely going on my keyboards. < 1417570582 307165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seemed to have triggered the visual french keyboard in gt, and was confused because several attempts kept giving me tqbernqle < 1417570647 658623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not _just_ visual, it seems) < 1417570655 65277 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shun the AZERTY layout! < 1417570655 452463 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1417570657 719719 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1417570672 105562 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes hello. < 1417570673 541224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilnes < 1417570693 831248 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1417570981 891099 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminal: white on black or black on white? < 1417570993 990896 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yellow on yellow < 1417571009 474740 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1417571031 438991 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should i get ORAS or x/y < 1417571037 840723 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or link between worlds < 1417571051 424135 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red Rescue Team < 1417571058 246423 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk what do i only have a little money left on my paycheck < 1417571074 48649 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link between worldd is a copy of link to the past. get lttp on gba < 1417571094 389069 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link between worlds i know that oerjan < 1417571104 741015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Malborge <-- AAAAAA it's spreading < 1417571113 49128 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gasp! i beat lttp in 5 minutes < 1417571121 277915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm sorry ): < 1417571123 857273 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417571127 787132 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soary < 1417571136 705114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it's ok i really blame Lymia < 1417571140 277229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: I'm not an eagle < 1417571157 478606 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arst thou sure? < 1417571171 922082 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last time yiu checked < 1417571175 913664 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :You* < 1417571241 315475 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so white on black or black on white which is better for terminal < 1417571249 385762 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren: white on black. < 1417571273 34158 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in txt wise? < 1417571283 106923 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neon orange on neon blue < 1417571288 322365 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417571296 279404 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or editor you know, for coding < 1417571297 777879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i suppose it's ironic that Malbolge is misspelled to start with. < 1417571333 439949 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Malebolge < 1417571342 250620 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malebulge < 1417571344 136636 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maelbolge < 1417571353 107999 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417571356 558509 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mæ < 1417571360 581481 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways white text on black background? < 1417571363 961784 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems gud < 1417571372 440078 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do that oerjan < 1417571377 776153 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Œ < 1417571385 941352 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :œæ < 1417571402 858423 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø < 1417571412 192126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: i'm not Oren. < 1417571416 870944 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417571441 641472 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :O < 1417571449 887305 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your names tho < 1417571461 629855 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loose a letter when staring to long < 1417571510 137244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your client have tab completion and is it smart enough to prefer whoever spoke last? that will help, although probably not always. < 1417571544 938422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*irc client < 1417571551 96430 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to put oe for your name < 1417571557 675869 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :And or for oren < 1417571561 702205 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like irc supports unicode in username < 1417571571 198467 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh < 1417571577 334835 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1417571577 632525 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :|en < 1417571582 535092 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: beware. when oerjan and olsner are discussing, it can get quite confusing. < 1417571584 131650 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that better? < 1417571595 902854 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used C | < 1417571598 27739 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :|en: yeh < 1417571600 222820 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for or < 1417571614 126399 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily? < 1417571621 176576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enket < 1417571623 532033 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean < 1417571632 100155 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im oeren < 1417571640 928269 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1417571646 724978 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore im < 1417571651 890081 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sees |en> like a quantum thingy < 1417571664 381083 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i have dislexia < 1417571672 540682 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum physics < 1417571681 910633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: when blindly tabcompleting. < 1417571703 150247 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tebs < 1417571723 421252 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw vf < 1417571728 836072 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good < 1417571776 886048 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be an esoteric language called malbranche < 1417571785 247933 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it < 1417571793 919816 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy < 1417571798 543449 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pets FreeFull's face
< 1417571803 604467 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every one is lazy < 1417571809 267515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1417571821 275839 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wasn't, I'd make a sort of mix of Prolog and J < 1417571840 472316 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And call it something unimaginative like Jlog < 1417571842 841716 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :J *-* < 1417571857 501228 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would somebody make a table called match < 1417571869 365658 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :|en: regex implementation? < 1417571882 946460 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, pingpong < 1417571893 913735 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not matches < 1417571900 553572 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :match is a keyword < 1417571963 677712 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pingpong < 1417571975 845382 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely < 1417572032 384005 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet multiplayer games project... poop < 1417572051 465297 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :l*php < 1417572139 113067 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :PhP looks like a dissapointed grandpa face < 1417572218 987009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is amazing how different the current aesthetic is from previous ideas of what a 'futuristic' aesthetic whould llok like <-- i think that's a sort of self-fulfilling thing, if the previous ideas hadn't been made then people wouldn't now be avoiding them. < 1417572229 631783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is way backlogged can you tell
< 1417572274 736967 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you up too? < 1417572276 175929 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was halfway thru an episode of serial experiments lain when i wrote that < 1417572284 996305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is retro-futuristic a thing? it has to be. < 1417572299 205744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also: zeerust) < 1417572314 4498 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. lisp is a retro-futuristic language < 1417572332 494033 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1417572333 650422 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern variants of it are i mean < 1417572367 579357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrofuturism < 1417572400 424525 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivsee what you mean boily < 1417572489 216629 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :retrofuturism is fun. < 1417572510 680144 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pats boily on the head
< 1417572529 391877 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :futoretrism < 1417572565 803150 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mellows and tilts to the side
< 1417572567 914182 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :making your thing look like what you think future people will imagine your own era to look like < 1417572616 944913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: I like http://locomalito.com/maldita_castilla.php . it's hardcore and gives a really good arcade-ish vibe. < 1417572640 613841 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people always like to think about how everyone in the past had awful hygine. < 1417572654 420529 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the romans < 1417572667 45003 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BATHS BATHS BATHS < 1417572677 391093 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1417572682 686212 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also thank boily < 1417572855 777158 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah why would somone spray this poor code with ^M everywhere? < 1417572880 946818 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't panic and :e ++ff=dos < 1417572891 408393 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1417572914 39519 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :^=^ < 1417572941 273954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|en: also the arabs. < 1417572971 265638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the jews too, for the same reason (ritual cleansing) < 1417572997 378622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the europeans were the filth of the earth. < 1417573004 216724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they took over hth < 1417573077 839275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the vikings. when one of your weekday names _means_ bathing day, you know you're not filthy. < 1417573091 66209 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only once a week? < 1417573119 160239 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filfy Phuckers < 1417573134 813435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|en: IT'S ALL RELATIVE OKAY < 1417573150 471154 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417573156 833573 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FLATBED CHICKEN < 1417573201 382039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm pretty sure r/askhistorians on reddit had a portion of their FAQ about this. < 1417573247 98431 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code im reading has the hallmarks of being edited by at least 3 people who used different editors and tab styles < 1417573249 550422 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :8Chan < 1417573306 605225 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :forensic source code ology < 1417573465 243817 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i am normalizing it to my standard of one tab per indent level. < 1417573569 143845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm general washing appears conspicuously absent from http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/wiki/health < 1417573589 465018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION know goes to read about the hitler moustache
< 1417573591 334414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1417573930 40187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perhaps the most memorable fact from the early years of human computing is that the very first team of French computers, assembled by Gaspard Clair Francois Marie Riche de Prony in the early 1790s, was composed entirely of wig-makers left unemployed by the French Revolution." < 1417573972 179159 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tooth brush stache was popular to about "1945" < 1417573976 128046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i went on to a post about other styles made unpopular by history) < 1417573989 714751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: i think that's pretty accurate hth < 1417574010 824673 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :May i pet ye < 1417574016 61637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hth < 1417574024 969749 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you guys have pets < 1417574038 981546 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why do you say hth all the time < 1417574050 509322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tradition hth < 1417574084 961273 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1417574091 641631 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pets oerjan
< 1417574095 879608 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1417574100 845133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Dulnes -----###
< 1417574112 988740 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pep pep good creb < 1417574151 621608 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently ### < 1417574158 471945 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a channel < 1417574178 812610 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hashtag channel? < 1417574192 624601 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just says blah < 1417574202 840180 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dulnes: in many (if not most?) IRC networks # is also a valid channel < 1417574225 97753 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1417574229 895779 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people say hashtag in real life < 1417574246 863667 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup and its disgusting < 1417574254 694848 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my aunt (the youngest one) < 1417574269 592850 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :she is very ditsy < 1417574287 342751 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a fun person < 1417574291 849796 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oren you can change your name back < 1417574304 589093 :|en!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :Orin < 1417574323 934707 :Orin!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :OREN < 1417574327 851093 :OREN!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1417574370 720795 :OREN!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all caps hth < 1417574383 428015 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hhhh < 1417574414 955107 :OREN!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no chance to survive make your time < 1417574468 19128 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1417574469 727364 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417574485 146743 :OREN!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all your base are belong to us < 1417574510 607139 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omg < 1417574516 197313 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1417574521 993982 :OREN!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :CATS < 1417574541 364968 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk if you can change names.on my client < 1417574552 353646 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats the ./ thing u use < 1417574554 212668 :CATS!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Evening Gentlemen! < 1417574559 995172 :CATS!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's /nick < 1417574572 718146 :CATS!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :Captain < 1417574579 921852 :Captain!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's You!!!! < 1417574580 636129 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn NICK :Oren < 1417574583 575801 :Oren!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hue < 1417574591 65612 :Captain!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :Cats < 1417574622 398437 :Oren!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn NICK :Windows < 1417574647 499555 :Windows!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also oren just go to that website and do the konami code < 1417574662 145631 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1417574674 587031 :Cats!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :Oren < 1417574684 871169 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what website? < 1417574713 809263 :Windows!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn NICK :Arch < 1417574801 378464 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops afk battery < 1417574805 369550 :Arch!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk what it was < 1417574809 448102 :Oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1417574853 295985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop < 1417574957 670720 :Arch!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1417575801 292272 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1417575916 29880 :Arch!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oren < 1417575924 895173 :Arch!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn NICK :Dulnes < 1417576646 769121 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1417576658 609560 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417577223 821864 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight < 1417577923 206282 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1417578067 241596 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417578152 830706 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417578272 557491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The idea behind it is the set of instructions form a group <-- cpressey has a couple languages like that. < 1417578476 670488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb http://catseye.tc/node/Burro < 1417578476 850384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1417578498 191327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly it's just that one, Cabra is somewhat different. < 1417579948 347993 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1417582033 650419 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn NICK :CakeMeat < 1417582234 823341 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1417582975 306977 :trn!~trn@trnsz.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1417582975 487140 :trn!~trn@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1417583080 401114 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1417583123 579271 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid JOIN :#esoteric < 1417583125 150770 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417583171 396171 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417583181 631033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hï < 1417583195 543099 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ハイ < 1417583198 286548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hı < 1417583207 467637 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a vav? < 1417583227 502726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ı < 1417583237 797323 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥ë§ < 1417583243 538322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0131 LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I] < 1417583252 508123 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seee... < 1417583274 621942 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode s < 1417583276 823265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S] < 1417583282 285137 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1417583294 559964 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is dulnes btw < 1417583307 474220 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode Ⅶ < 1417583307 617917 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna be more formal < 1417583309 306389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2166 ROMAN NUMERAL SEVEN] < 1417583321 414437 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ￦ < 1417583323 349080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FFE6 FULLWIDTH WON SIGN] < 1417583330 657269 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh mai < 1417583348 924165 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atleast i know what its called now < 1417583357 462791 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hellis there a unicode symbol for each roman numeral? < 1417583366 910334 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk < 1417583375 717657 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pats oren
< 1417583381 432954 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^` < 1417583383 293950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^`: not found < 1417583400 294446 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ® < 1417583402 356955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00AE REGISTERED SIGN] < 1417583425 201771 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode has too many characters that were put in for backward compatibility < 1417583454 870023 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :[°`°`°``°°°`°°°````°°`°°``°````°`°`°`°°`°°°°`°]°°`°`°`°```||°```°`````]°```°`°||°``°] < 1417583461 903073 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lo < 1417583469 625061 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like cats < 1417583513 832372 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1417583536 655160 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im pretty sure if i didnt put brackets it come out as ilickcatsssz < 1417583545 799939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, another nick < 1417583551 354568 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh < 1417583568 932302 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its better than dulnes atleast¿ < 1417583582 798977 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does dulnes mean? < 1417583620 994482 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its a name that means something to me < 1417583631 369067 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont use it often < 1417583670 211831 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use my name for most things < 1417583681 710947 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :M < 1417583690 196091 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be my name < 1417583706 750760 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :©_© < 1417583718 133247 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cmds < 1417583719 797640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cmds: not found < 1417583720 911179 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the name on my birth cerifite < 1417583735 125890 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats that¿ < 1417583738 278612 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren < 1417583745 477783 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy < 1417583759 723495 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not as if there are many orens? < 1417583759 867067 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one knows my real name < 1417583801 272542 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ØwÕ < 1417583827 331620 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume ØwÕ is your real name < 1417583829 681549 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OдO < 1417583849 974897 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1417583851 105532 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's up < 1417583856 420770 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :My realllll name iss < 1417583877 171433 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finn Morghan O'Brien < 1417583885 209248 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy < 1417583904 75025 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`exec < 1417583905 840838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: exec: not found < 1417583915 16833 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello < 1417583916 652152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1417583929 942412 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :5öüçHè < 1417583940 918828 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Souche? < 1417583948 158662 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touchè < 1417583975 418289 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old are you oren < 1417583988 785767 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming languages are based on 'rewriting' in the sense that the operate entirely on source code - no external data structure < 1417583991 245984 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :２１才 < 1417583995 799287 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy < 1417584006 952608 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example is SK combinators maybe, and non-example is brainfuck because the memory cells are not part of the program < 1417584008 727060 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/// thue and some others iirc < 1417584009 464676 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code < 1417584030 807679 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack underflow < 1417584055 568474 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack stack < 1417584131 279052 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417584136 394949 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cake/meat < 1417584137 659961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘cake’ < 1417584137 803315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1417584137 803420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘take’ (imported from Data.List), < 1417584137 803491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Seq.take’ (imported from Data.Sequence), < 1417584137 803614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘BSLC.take’ (imported from Data.ByteString.Lazy.Char8)Not in scope: ‘meat’ < 1417584146 854502 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot divide by cake < 1417584147 43846 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take the cake < 1417584148 290384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘the’Not in scope: ‘cake’ < 1417584148 433827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1417584148 433941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘take’ (imported from Data.List), < 1417584148 434013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Seq.take’ (imported from Data.Sequence), < 1417584148 434087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘BSLC.take’ (imported from Data.ByteString.Lazy.Char8) < 1417584170 429842 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why cant lambdabot divide by cake?! < 1417584176 663235 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an outrage < 1417584200 609995 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :cake/meat= 56 < 1417584204 999117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cake < 1417584206 329366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘cake’ < 1417584206 472680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1417584206 472781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘take’ (imported from Data.List), < 1417584206 472857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Seq.take’ (imported from Data.Sequence), < 1417584206 472929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘BSLC.take’ (imported from Data.ByteString.Lazy.Char8) < 1417584210 657796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's gone? < 1417584222 5780 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm it would be easier to insert binary data into a program if C supported base64 literals < 1417584222 486622 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take take < 1417584223 741427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Types.Int’ < 1417584223 884244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘GHC.Types.Int -> [a0] -> [a0]’ < 1417584236 574059 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.156 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1417584254 385736 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets make lambdabot do stuff < 1417584258 201320 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny stuff < 1417584267 53776 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to convert base64 to C "" notation < 1417584275 956462 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :«» < 1417584285 466281 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode » < 1417584287 391808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00BB RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK] < 1417584307 937877 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh so thats why it registers always as a quotation mark < 1417584324 947913 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :[«] uses these from.now on < 1417584340 37896 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have RFC1345 as a mode on my ime. & < 1417584359 808966 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so &>> is » < 1417584368 738280 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1417584393 634278 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its easier if » is & >> and "" < 1417584400 316718 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.66.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1417584407 781243 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont have to put down >> < 1417584423 708476 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ő &o" < 1417584453 811806 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nvm i checked depending on what you are doing you have to &>> is » is »» < 1417584479 343347 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems you have an o i dont have < 1417584567 269389 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ο how about that one < 1417584645 382826 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ò_ó < 1417584710 778890 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, can you define multiple cpp macros with the same name if they have different argument counts < 1417584731 542106 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo whatever you are doing stop < 1417584743 608688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no hth < 1417584745 833206 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1417584753 370583 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care if you can dont < 1417584809 796311 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if i run &>> is » through my stuff it poops out this trash &>> is » is »» ] [ « rr ].cap]&%>>569 [ 0 ] = 10 < 1417584853 67426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it that much worse than defining SYSCALL_DEFINE0, SYSCALL_DEFINE1, SYSCALL_DEFINE2, etc.? < 1417584870 363568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: kinda, with hacks < 1417584876 754066 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what happens if you do that? < 1417584918 799953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can do #define foo(...) + a dispatch < 1417584923 551916 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not that important. < 1417584956 102935 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1417584987 743764 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this \}\ work in anything < 1417585031 649965 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :£_£ < 1417585144 660444 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pats elliott s face
< 1417585153 304825 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e '$_=\'$_\';print"$_$";' < 1417585156 226898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1417585162 72870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeMeat: please don't < 1417585168 94579 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1417585173 247048 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzzz < 1417585192 463408 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What chu doin oren < 1417585201 33880 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＺZzｚ < 1417585222 801049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chu spaces are the best. < 1417585269 867088 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNA is a very esolangy language imo < 1417585282 261006 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a language. < 1417585282 440491 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am i talkinv about < 1417585284 850088 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, i cna't get that to work < 1417585289 747662 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know now < 1417585300 636554 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :get what to work < 1417585301 750906 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst thing about being a biologist around computer people is the DNA thing, probably. < 1417585303 565977 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perl? < 1417585305 941799 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later it will be not being paid. < 1417585306 909874 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1417585313 399021 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im.litteraly having maass brain death < 1417585329 487905 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, how is DNA not a language < 1417585334 493813 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a biologist? < 1417585341 563737 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying a perl program with lots of $_$ faces in it < 1417585345 110776 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1417585345 254411 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNA is code < 1417585347 710650 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was aquine < 1417585348 304990 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a binary code at best? < 1417585350 60740 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is binary a language? No. It's a numeral system, or an encoding. < 1417585355 267092 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, OK < 1417585373 124045 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language on top of DNA? < 1417585375 164674 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is bein sensitiveee :I < 1417585375 654253 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part is protein translation actually is interestingly complicated, but nobody cares for some reason. < 1417585383 151136 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care about it < 1417585384 903412 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "nobody", it's a major research area. < 1417585385 293868 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book about that < 1417585392 494734 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNA has a structure of triplets of base pairs < 1417585398 866189 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care about the sciences < 1417585416 483386 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :each triplet encodes either the start of a protien, an amino acid or the end < 1417585435 390833 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a stringof dna can encode a bunch of proteins < 1417585437 454074 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in coding sequences. < 1417585447 240965 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are the triplets delimited < 1417585453 407925 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait if i ride a bike < 1417585461 641014 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then < 1417585492 706941 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren iirc it is self synchonizing < 1417585506 882871 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: They're not. There's a thing called a "frameshift mutation" where it goes out of alignment and translation goes wrong. < 1417585524 140141 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1417585535 213148 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do as a biologist < 1417585544 592941 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life things < 1417585554 753517 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gasp are you playing god again bike < 1417585555 770482 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there ar many kinds of biology < 1417585559 164254 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I guess there are normal uses of different reading frames too. I ain't a geneticist. < 1417585559 762564 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike god < 1417585565 628010 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1417585589 766219 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus bike sounds better < 1417585594 687071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '$_=\'$_\';print"$_$";' < 1417585596 793477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1417585621 817915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e$_='$_';print"$_$"; < 1417585623 703367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final $ should be \$ or $name at -e line 1, within string \ syntax error at -e line 1, near "print"$_$"" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. < 1417585637 232205 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :o if oerjan is here i should biguate my name < 1417585650 995008 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hve a LOT of wiki pages open about RNA now < 1417585652 513418 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1417585658 29430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that's going to get so old < 1417585706 64873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e$_='$_';print"$_\$"; < 1417585708 563409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$_$ < 1417585709 824710 :oren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :Ouran < 1417585730 373205 :Ouran!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :OOOren < 1417585736 291600 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :U done it < 1417585738 929366 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. biguated < 1417585743 678947 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e$_="$_";print"$_\$" < 1417585746 224860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$ < 1417585750 660531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think it's already gotten old hth < 1417585760 497307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOren: CakeMeat: can you two be less noisy please < 1417585776 356737 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because sound traverses text < 1417585793 216151 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :はい、エリオット様！ < 1417585794 313428 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways can hackego do that infinite loop thing < 1417585810 508727 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ong look at thay smiley face in there < 1417585852 478099 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a small tsu < 1417585864 682990 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it indicates a glottal stop < 1417585896 276037 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways infite loop in bash while :; do echo 'Hit CTRL+C'; sleep 1; done is there a bot here that can run that < 1417585912 516620 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like dont actually do it < 1417585919 863507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` while :; do echo 'Hit CTRL+C'; < 1417585921 554742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1417585921 957321 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where could I find programmers to help with implementing an esolang? (this one http://esolangs.org/wiki/Janus ) < 1417585933 552951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while :; do echo 'Hit CTRL+C'; < 1417585935 318852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1417585942 133171 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :while :; do echo 'Hit CTRL+C'; sleep 1; done < 1417585946 148479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glottal stop? Are you sure? < 1417585948 743710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a syntax error < 1417585951 986612 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here when my exams are over dth? < 1417585955 808149 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any help please < 1417585957 686745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while :; do echo 'Hit CTRL+C'; done < 1417585959 487061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ Hit CTRL+C \ < 1417585964 260740 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1417585964 442419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go hth < 1417585972 158314 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O god what did you do < 1417585984 139854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i just wanted to show it doesn't actually harm HackEgo) < 1417585989 540289 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1417585992 503687 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1417585999 835881 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will ask later < 1417586000 759660 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was scared itd keep going < 1417586011 895587 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: answer cluid < 1417586016 967199 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :U guys r fronds < 1417586034 451288 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yes ッorっ indicates a glottal stop or a doubled consonant < 1417586042 451348 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1417586096 254476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :janus looks more complicated than i have patience to implement < 1417586105 12979 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have most of it already in haskell < 1417586111 629271 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the self interpreter is not working < 1417586193 163402 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried unplugging your computer and plugging it back in? < 1417586232 745768 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :> { 0 } < 1417586233 939966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘{’ < 1417586248 830953 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hintzzz < 1417586256 499368 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < < 1417586257 691060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘<’ < 1417586269 305159 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf am i doing < 1417586296 613124 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡_¡ < 1417586324 878835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying random things, hth < 1417586362 493039 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume me patting oren on the face is not disruptive to the perl he does < 1417586387 258306 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want self interpreter running < 1417586404 206881 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screen shot of the error or whayever < 1417586404 970460 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe implement the compiler later < 1417586435 982774 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile the piles of garbage into a working haskell inerpreter < 1417586476 57043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you may be expecting too much of Haskell's garbage collector. < 1417586493 768177 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1417586517 65762 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :php says unexpected $this ... why not say "this isn't ruby, dumass" < 1417586524 818611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely someone's proved it TC by now < 1417586538 97216 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby on rails < 1417586538 364589 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1417586544 101608 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which < 1417586549 332983 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the ; at end of line. < 1417586554 512089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: ghc's garbage collector < 1417586564 842422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean how can it possibly not be < 1417586570 278437 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is often told that types do not exist at run time < 1417586573 839752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean for a garbage collector to be TC? < 1417586581 557177 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :To crap < 1417586585 928339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: re: interest in Polyominoes: it's nice to have an algorithmic challenge among all the data compression tasks lately. < 1417586587 227432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i guess the fact it reduces memory might be a problem < 1417586589 467337 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for garbage collection you need specific code for recovering/collecting that type of object < 1417586599 95673 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its a lie < 1417586612 682926 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark and sweep < 1417586615 140228 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cluid is a lie < 1417586615 546079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm that's a bit tree falls in the forest isn't it, since GC should never be observable < 1417586623 657090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeMeat: can you be less noisy please < 1417586633 125294 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1417586646 793103 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can garbage collect without types if you sweep over all memory < 1417586657 622113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not precisely < 1417586660 168693 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine < 1417586662 921170 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pointrs to allocated objects < 1417586666 985945 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOren, I doubt that, how do you know which objects are pointers and which are immediate? < 1417586668 352402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know where the pointers are < 1417586675 651950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not quite the same as knowing all type information though < 1417586681 489862 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1417586688 980388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do for precise collection < 1417586692 617461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are describing is conservative collection < 1417586700 261877 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably recover a fair bit of type information from inspecting the GC code pointer of an object < 1417586705 137905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make do with just having a tag bit for pointer vs. int; e.g. OCaml does this and has 31 bit ints < 1417586713 954776 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Bob Harper might say "haskell is dynamically typed" < 1417586724 808477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not really possible to "recover types" in any meaningful way with that, the GC is basically agnostic < 1417586728 792965 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. but conservative is still gc < 1417586733 883693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GHC does this too < 1417586738 155455 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have used it in C < 1417586748 536024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unsound in C, but sure :p < 1417586750 140913 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :conservativ ecollection that is < 1417586793 583668 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway GC algorithms are probably not TC < 1417586798 458570 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real issue is when someone does this: int*onebasedarray=malloc(4*sizeof(int))-1 < 1417586820 855294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really an issue because it's UB, I'm pretty sure < 1417586824 614005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real issue is stuff like xor linked lists < 1417586825 673132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: It's true that generally type erasure benefits the mutator more than the garbage collector (it's interesting to speculate about the reason. one *can* implement specific scavenging and evacuation code for each type, foregoing all explicit layout information; however I suspect that this would make performance *worse* nowadays, because the code will quickly outgrow the code cache size.) < 1417586888 113770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :void oops(int *p) { intptr_t x = (intptr_t)p ^ 1234; p = NULL; gc(); p = (int *)(x ^ 1234); printf("%d\n", *p); } < 1417586900 170386 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1417586900 925676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conservative GC breaks this code but nobody cares because it's already horrible < 1417586912 783504 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1417586916 624777 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417586924 265581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know of the xor trick for cyclic lists, right? < 1417586969 64871 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to hear it, please. < 1417586972 2545 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417586973 121698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know XOR linked lists but nothing about relating them to cyclicity < 1417586990 677026 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi _AndoDaan_ < 1417587006 357892 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, cluid. < 1417587021 227183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :_AndoDaan_: basically every node stores the xor of its next and its prev pointer; if you know the current node, and know where you came from, you can traverse the list. if not ... and that's the situation the GC will be in ... then you're screwed. < 1417587038 333395 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_codon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_prime_untranslated_region http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frameshift_mutation thanks Bike < 1417587041 235058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, that's what I meant by XOR linked lists. < 1417587052 107961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. < 1417587056 600957 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if any GCs can actually deal with pointers that are anything but memory blocks. < 1417587061 176079 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds impossibleish < 1417587074 355115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what does that have to do with being cyclic, though? < 1417587076 997790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What do you mean? < 1417587077 512679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: <_AndoDaan_> I'd like to hear it, please. <-- I was replying to this. < 1417587077 952502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a trick for double-linked lists < 1417587080 550112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay. < 1417587083 628061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1417587085 224715 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also wonder if boehm mentions things not workign with this intptr_t shit < 1417587093 912551 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a gc where elliott's code would work. < 1417587097 687113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing in particular. I wanted to say "doubly linked", and I normally make those cyclic. brain fart. < 1417587122 989212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1417587139 438977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does boehm handle char *p = malloc(10) + 10; < 1417587139 581768 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps ironically i've heard of using xor'd pointers to make mark-and-sweep slightly cheaper < 1417587172 840890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm pretty sure it does. < 1417587173 363332 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's taht do again? < 1417587186 416024 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example use of boehm is for strings, though. < 1417587186 756724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: p is a pointer you're not allowed to dereference < 1417587187 246802 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes an array with negative indices < 1417587190 661314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are allowed to hold it < 1417587194 623295 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok right. < 1417587198 276362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc(10) + 11 isn't allowed, though < 1417587209 320332 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that for loops work. i heard this on ##c at some point. < 1417587213 151645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only get one element of leeway < 1417587226 546957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw C is horrible < 1417587233 249520 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1417587234 611726 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C standard is full of dark corners with ugly surprises. < 1417587238 703244 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have written this project of mine in Rust. < 1417587241 674470 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so then scrip7 is horribler < 1417587248 279579 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a past-the-end pointer is wonderful < 1417587270 999058 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait, how do you expect boehm to deal or not deal with that? < 1417587274 877909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has 701 pages, so there's a lot of room for them :) < 1417587288 317645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(approximately, I'm using the N1570 draft) < 1417587288 486406 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can access any memory as any type < 1417587289 835213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, if it only checks the pointers are within the bounds of the object, rather than within the bounds of the object or one past it... < 1417587306 719224 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean holding p should keep the string alive. < 1417587310 753430 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess that makes snese. < 1417587315 618571 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.68.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1417587323 213755 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I dont undersatnd though, is how can you mutate DNA/RNA like split it in half and mix it nad itt still works? < 1417587332 518635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is probably fine because I'm not writing C compilers.) < 1417587337 438951 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's made of lots of sections. < 1417587350 366141 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each protein is encoded by some number of base pairs, not the whole strand. < 1417587352 638677 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each section makes random protiens? < 1417587353 621800 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can cut up the strand ok. < 1417587365 28616 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1417587369 559483 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each protein is stored numerous times < 1417587373 266714 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you make a living thing out of dna e.g. a worm < 1417587375 266751 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.94.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417587376 598778 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like taking a piece of text and cutting it up. < 1417587386 478281 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: Well, first, you need to get another worm... < 1417587386 649510 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a algae < 1417587386 922265 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.94.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry 'bout that. < 1417587414 369421 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.94.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were talking about cyclic tag systems. < 1417587424 614312 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean all these protiens will go together in some way < 1417587429 952869 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and build a creature? < 1417587437 542431 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like bootstrapping. Barely. < 1417587446 967058 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need another creature that knows how to make more creatures, before you can make a creature. < 1417587453 69994 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1417587469 110264 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why Jurassic Park ahsn't happened yet. < 1417587488 164179 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have cloned dogs for a price < 1417587496 973888 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because dogs already exist. < 1417587498 824234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have dogs aplenty < 1417587498 967326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure the fact they don't have much dinosaur dna also matters < 1417587503 889129 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the reproductive system will create an egg or something, which is the right setting for the DNA to form into protiens and create a new creatures < 1417587507 774127 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right? < 1417587524 229348 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Sorta. < 1417587528 508290 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also sex involved < 1417587532 248033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an egg is already a fully functional cell < 1417587537 605154 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's the main thing. < 1417587549 853522 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That functioning cell gives rise to the whole organism. < 1417587625 650400 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be interesting to simulate a system basd on something like DNA, which folds into "protiens" and make creatures from it < 1417587629 957483 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when we will get IDE's for DNA < 1417587632 296227 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably very hard to set up < 1417587634 914715 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :been done a lot. < 1417587639 561110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, maybe the system _was_ bootstrapped from something that wasn't a fully functional cell at one point, but that probably hasn't happened for billions of years < 1417587642 638127 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, oddly, knows some about it < 1417587657 411896 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417587665 699668 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive heard the abiogenesis story < 1417587676 261510 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy to simulate something like mendelian genetics. modern genetics is more involved but doable. < 1417587683 975841 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the first cells forming out of hydrophobic films and stuff < 1417587696 977079 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.94.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417587702 584690 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my aunt says goddidit. my uncle says aliens did it < 1417587709 869699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right and it happened to monocollular things, not highly evolved (read: precariously balanced) creatures like dinosaurs. < 1417587715 501013 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cellular < 1417587717 332954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norn genes are kind of ... powerful? < 1417587723 803569 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really lists of proteins at all < 1417587726 916959 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norns? < 1417587734 731081 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Creatures, an artificial life simulator. < 1417587741 493412 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1417587747 503399 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do you know about something to simualate building protiens out of 'genetic codes' on a computer? < 1417587757 160792 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean some kind of idealized protiens not real life ones < 1417587758 275454 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The genes define things such as the exact chemical reactions that occur < 1417587779 325320 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well how complicated do you want the process to be? < 1417587784 943219 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, if ADP + Energy = ATP, it's because a gene says so < 1417587786 258583 :AndChat-234416!~AndChat23@188.189.69.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417587792 233364 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont know much about this, just curious < 1417587793 723917 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want the caricatural codon -> RNA -> protein process, that's trivial. like, a oneliner. < 1417587799 384959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I wanted to type "mꙩnꙩꙩcular". < 1417587825 604237 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that "mꙩnꙩcular". < 1417587839 866716 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like lacI, that's more involved < 1417587851 216573 :AndChat-234416!~AndChat23@188.189.69.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lousy connection < 1417587877 436174 :AndChat-234416!~AndChat23@188.189.69.165 NICK :Andoodan < 1417587879 309734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙩnꙩꙩ < 1417587881 192183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A669 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER MONOCULAR O] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+A669 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER MONOCULAR O] [U+A669 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER MONOCULAR O] < 1417587902 363524 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monocular?!? < 1417587916 332082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it says there, but unicode also spells "lambda" "lamda" so I don't trust it ;-) < 1417587930 424033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really dislike "lamda" though I know that it's correct.) < 1417587940 433051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect one o < 1417587953 543814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnocular < 1417587960 422525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i ꙩ ꙫ ꙭ ꙩꙩ < 1417587967 630202 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode λ < 1417587969 447451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because greek prepositions tend to lose their -o in front of another vowel < 1417587969 671805 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+03BB GREEK SMALL LETTER LAMDA] < 1417587973 269280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep going and you end up with ꙮ < 1417587975 576327 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYYY < 1417587987 292762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ƛ < 1417587990 683390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+019B LATIN SMALL LETTER LAMBDA WITH STROKE] < 1417587999 49957 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1417587999 817706 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdaphage < 1417588015 304490 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus X whyyyy < 1417588022 450152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have things consIstent. < 1417588025 882746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's noted as a typo in the notes, I think < 1417588032 492916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just you're not allowed to rename unicode codepoints ever < 1417588046 924669 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is awful < 1417588058 969456 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hookworm is awful < 1417588067 953197 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift JIS is a way better encoding anyway < 1417588078 624839 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier to parse too < 1417588099 922107 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Because the vast majority of genes are encoded with exactly the same code (see the RNA codon table), this particular code is often referred to as the canonical or standard genetic code, or simply the genetic code, though in fact some variant codes have evolved < 1417588101 198128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:27: parse error on input ‘of’ < 1417588102 963794 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1417588108 663617 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's almost a universal language < 1417588112 34486 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vast majority" is important. < 1417588114 559314 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'universal' as in used widely < 1417588118 605214 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually most encodings that aren't utf 8 are way easier to parse < 1417588122 392715 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's not used in your mitochondria. < 1417588122 535991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't someone say it's actually spelled without b in modern greek < 1417588160 352250 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the mechanisms of heredity are really ancient. < 1417588164 109007 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could become a molecular biologist < 1417588169 877202 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be interesting < 1417588179 5305 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i dont have to do stupid computer things < 1417588187 393549 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty common to use mutations in one of the ribozymes to measure time, since there's nothing much to optimize there. < 1417588202 143274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was Bike's reasoning too < 1417588207 115883 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was. < 1417588210 647315 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is smart < 1417588327 521548 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only people who argue whether some variant DNA encoding is better or worse have PhD's. unlike unicode. though they're still pretty stupid arguments, probably. < 1417588406 972187 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, now look up ribozymes. < 1417588424 76122 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but ihave a lot to read already < 1417588488 866424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Modern Greek the name of the letter, Λάμδα, is pronounced [lamða]" < 1417588489 9369 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417588501 650460 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417588567 735477 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its lamtha < 1417588618 442375 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with th as in then < 1417588671 162321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a lot of bioinformaticists at the university. You can do biology and still keep doing stupid computer things. < 1417588702 325675 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody likes bioinformaticians though. < 1417588714 230037 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they're cool, but they complain about nobody caring about them a lot.l < 1417588802 818054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how much funding they must have to be so many, it sounds slightly disingenuous. < 1417588820 805680 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have, like, an actual department for them? < 1417588831 269947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bioïnformatics < 1417588837 78461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :people would like them more with the extra dot < 1417588842 551650 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1417588945 158507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be technically part of something, but it's at least a clear clique. < 1417588997 616109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is, I never understand their posters when there's some sort of common event. < 1417589003 385808 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Had the "no money for bioinformatics but could you help us in your spare time" conversation this week. Depressing in so many ways.» e.g. < 1417589021 956920 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually don't know where they are at this school. I saw a hiring notice in the EE building once and that's it. < 1417589040 685798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shouldn't that really be biöïnformatics < 1417589045 764177 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and i saw an undergrad presentation about finding SNPs causing antibiotic resistance < 1417589057 627515 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of it's, like, straight out of Knuth, though. < 1417589088 38028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The studients have their own guild ("Inkubio") though. < 1417589155 352105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inkubio.fi/ < 1417589187 771204 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the bioinformatics here looks like 90% ag forestry. figures. < 1417589237 773485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer science likes trees? < 1417589274 755872 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go to a semi farm school. < 1417589278 692624 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in washington. it's all trees < 1417589408 403823 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.76.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417589413 832138 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i specifically went to uoft because york had too much trees and grass and stuff around < 1417589434 877148 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so did waterloo. i am a city person < 1417589522 905396 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good way to choose a university? < 1417589528 423478 :_AndoDaan_!~AndChat23@188.188.77.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417589544 760655 :_AndoDaan_!~AndChat23@188.188.77.122 QUIT :Client Quit < 1417589560 764066 :Andoodan!~AndChat23@188.189.69.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1417589577 287372 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh dude what is this < 1417589594 622626 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rifbbaonefimydnm QUIT :Quit: , < 1417589674 423580 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.76.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417589729 735297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOren: if you have pollen allergy, i'd say yes < 1417590137 703308 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"frameshift mutations. These mutations usually result in a completely different translation from the original, and are also very likely to cause a stop codon to be read, which truncates the creation of the protein" <- that's so cool! some error correcting behavior < 1417590307 742412 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1417590327 32943 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417590366 736692 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1417590463 422593 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1417590466 764233 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1417591141 599228 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RNA, in essence, can be both the chicken and the egg < 1417591164 894267 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribozyme < 1417591498 388528 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts|pokeball < 1417591574 49567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :One interesting fact I learned this year is that mammalian DNA is simpler than amphibian DNA, and can be because their embryos develop in a tightly controlled environment rather than having to hatch at any temperature between 5 and 25 degrees Celsius (or so)... < 1417591728 499243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously this idea extends to grown animals, too, where mammals can rely on a fairly constant internal temperature.) < 1417591859 446214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned that from the Science of Discworld books, I think. < 1417591869 775935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming it's true.) < 1417592052 507080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm GG: i'm going to reserve my judgement on whether that lady is truly dead. < 1417592102 608527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not dead which can eternal lie. < 1417592113 6928 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1417592158 172866 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417592326 466003 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1417592509 428468 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1417592675 569464 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"simpler"? < 1417592858 252978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah it's too easy, there must be a twist. < 1417592913 643232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps she had a metal brain and is slowly taking control of the beast now < 1417592939 698887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1417592940 793515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm wondering about the covered face) < 1417593193 107575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm slightly disappointed about the fact that my foreshadowing-inspired guess that the Lady Selyenikov was heading towards the Beast turned out to be correct. < 1417593240 200025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1417593259 905826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beast doesn't seem like the thing you'd plot to get hold of < 1417593290 81104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it carries some other secret < 1417593292 307479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew. it's a hell of a diversion though. < 1417593325 90877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the kind of thing < 1417593347 137669 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what for; I believe theat Tarvek was actually unaware of her actions. < 1417593356 298911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1417593365 833025 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there must be something else... < 1417593417 203720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um tarvek has been in absentia for several years, as far as she would be concerned < 1417593435 407436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And btw, what happened to all the Lady Lucrecia puppets? There were two of them, one is with the Baron's son now ... < 1417593449 200388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exactly. That's why I believe him :P < 1417593486 247665 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417593501 768397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is with gil? < 1417593546 414957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dimo said gil had found a way to disable their obedience to her < 1417593603 481248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not entirely sure what you mean with "lady lucrecia puppet"
< 1417593612 473350 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the geisterdamen < 1417593616 636664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those < 1417593623 313057 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is i think what he means < 1417593638 514453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um in that case i don't remember _any_ that are with gil. < 1417593651 143736 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he means the revenants? < 1417593670 419649 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOO < 1417593674 146181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he means the revenants, there were at least a city (sturmhalten) full of them < 1417593683 722234 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He means that robot girl < 1417593694 884572 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who lucretia uploaded herself into < 1417593707 381408 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fake heterodyne < 1417593734 190551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was only one robot. and it seems sort of dubious that's she's still around gil if it's true that he's fighting her. < 1417593791 903571 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucretia copied herself into the fake heterodyne so she has 3 bodies: the van rijn robot, the fake heterodyne and the copy inside Agatha < 1417593792 790508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there were 3 of those, the robot girl, zola, and agatha herself. but if the robot girl is at large she should have had time to make as many more as she wishes < 1417593807 90921 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1417593833 200698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zola may have messed things up for lucrezia < 1417593851 105111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will go check the spelling now
< 1417593856 577285 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that should be van rijn? < 1417593870 389160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's z < 1417593907 235589 :qwertyo!~qwertyo1@50-1-63-35.dedicated.static.sonic.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417593910 891799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know that ligatures are obligatory in dutch spelling... < 1417594030 85362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :she should also have had time to make more spark wasps if she has the design... < 1417594094 575114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what was the last time we saw the robot? the mechanicsburg hospital? < 1417594110 932195 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too... hold on where was the robot girl when mechanicsburg blew up/temporally screwed < 1417594147 67001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems _logical_ that she would have left when klaus did < 1417594168 909465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and especially before agatha got in control < 1417594215 80755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, klaus seems to have been able to plot to escape her control < 1417594246 494838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's even more fiendish and she actually wanted klaus to make it look that way < 1417594319 133428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks the wikia
< 1417594357 60408 :_AndoDaan!~AndChat23@188.188.78.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417594433 940204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have a graph of oerjan "f.endish" frequency over time < 1417594571 217698 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.77.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417594726 703111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not a graph, but http://sprunge.us/AgCb < 1417595019 433187 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts < 1417595068 157342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like we're safe < 1417595096 961888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm. there was this unresolved wasping incident, http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061201 and I thought one of the puppets turned up in the Mechanicsburg hospital a while later, or perhaps on the Baron's ship. I can't find it right now; I forgot how slowly this comic moves. < 1417595138 145181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It looks a bit more alarming if you take it yearwise, http://sprunge.us/WNGT < 1417595159 319199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: duh. < 1417595163 707560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1417595180 189864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Exercise for the reader: fit an exponential, see when it overtakes the rest of channel traffic combined.) < 1417595191 325862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1417595201 336236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of thing i had in mind < 1417595233 975712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's take 0.9^(t/1h) < 1417595257 201237 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not certain either, all those muses look the same to me. < 1417595274 598586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except Ophelia's new shell, of course.) < 1417595342 277196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: could you query "words said by X that have increased their usage the most over time"? < 1417595361 324316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(total uses > some threshold and then order by the derivative over the years, or something.) < 1417595392 850945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching for the oerjan singularity < 1417595512 580890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think we've only seen 3 muses and i didn't think anevka's clank body was one. < 1417595586 943532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It was so long ago, I don't know anything for sure anymore. (Actually I reread the whole thing earlier this year, but there's just too much going on.) < 1417595604 94831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1417595630 508915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1417595652 820541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perhaps, but now: lunch. < 1417595686 9755 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxmenlewctivmzkn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1417595690 953453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about hth over time < 1417595708 371652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've done that. < 1417595736 65406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I didn't see it. < 1417595825 781217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IUfH quickly monthly '% hth' so only suffix < 1417595875 683105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For everybody or just oerjan? < 1417595913 847696 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@kulnet-nat-2.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1417596068 652311 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417596097 535777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the big O. < 1417596130 575425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, is *that* who the book is about? < 1417596146 973519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote "whom" at first but I couldn't take it. < 1417596184 448208 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@kulnet-nat-2.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417596195 405390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/AVdN in general < 1417596241 570006 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417596510 333286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see from the table when the script was made. < 1417596545 583553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime < 1417596545 725559 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :18h 42m 47s < 1417597092 789914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start training climbing again. < 1417597703 191366 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts|pokeball < 1417598947 588909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41316&oldid=41314 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+635) 10 < 1417599005 548318 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1417599699 242509 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid JOIN :#esoteric < 1417599857 114220 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417600271 618706 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417600330 261809 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417600596 567156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1417602117 937616 :tam!ab6524f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.101.36.240 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417602150 701180 :tam!ab6524f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.171.101.36.240 QUIT :Client Quit < 1417602152 642480 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1417602157 659210 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1417602332 33207 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have just finished this little project in only 8 hours work < 1417602355 163488 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :should really have taken me less time though < 1417602369 245210 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what project? < 1417602390 62284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pendulum Instruction Set Architecture14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41317&oldid=41151 5* 03Cluid Zhasulelm 5* (+349) 10Added more useful links < 1417602397 361894 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made an online connect 4 game in php < 1417602402 510284 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1417602517 613001 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://54.174.150.35/connect4/ < 1417602557 833775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch < 1417602559 804163 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1417602633 269414 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that llan thing? < 1417602654 762803 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a place < 1417602677 11840 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Cy-Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch_%28Welsh_pronunciation%2C_recorded_17-05-2012%29.ogg < 1417602682 751058 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in wales i assume < 1417602686 74856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1417602743 852248 :OOOren!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca NICK :Or3n < 1417602862 70083 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too lazy :( < 1417602890 92046 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do what? < 1417602902 735131 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement this language i want < 1417602932 197307 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why don't you implement the language you need < 1417602938 231892 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the song goes < 1417602952 488775 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1417603014 880602 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i implemented scrip7 to serve a legitimate need (if massively unsafe power is a need) < 1417603047 1489 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrip7 is cool but have you been able to generate constants like 0x0707070707070 in a short way yet < 1417603114 950578 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am working on a preprocessor < 1417603167 879786 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will look like 0x[07]*8 < 1417603212 76414 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the interaction between s7pp grammar and s7 grammar. i am going to reserve [] for the s7pp < 1417603225 538617 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat! < 1417603238 924883 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the new version will only allow () and {} for loops < 1417603254 986317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1417603257 296434 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it should be the opposite < 1417603306 577364 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s7 currently does not distinguish between {} [] or (). they are all basically C if(0)while(1){...} < 1417603336 599789 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you use jumps to get in or out < 1417603658 315508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1417604400 538724 :Or3n!~oren@user3-208-105.wireless.utoronto.ca QUIT :Quit: going to eat brekfst < 1417605341 948160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417605657 512663 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417605773 705254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417605779 256952 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417605982 1487 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1417606104 981166 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, could someone check their DNS for nethack4.org and tell me what IP is given for the A and AAAA addresses? < 1417606119 387303 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IP I'm getting is not the IP I should be getting < 1417606154 76071 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host nethack4.org < 1417606154 219412 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack4.org has address 92.243.3.23 < 1417606159 169751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as cluid < 1417606160 215445 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what command is better to use? < 1417606164 641052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use dig < 1417606171 343510 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you're both getting the correct IP < 1417606172 569139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2001:4b98:dc0:41:216:3eff:fedd:d4e3 < 1417606175 565052 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IP I'm getting belongs to my ISP < 1417606183 661286 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps someone's trying some really bad filtering, or something < 1417606190 557332 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement, my terrible ISP talktalk does thiat with google sometimes < 1417606195 347165 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack4.org. 0 IN A 62.252.172.241 < 1417606195 726343 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes to their ip rather than google < 1417606203 225357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cluid: virgin media does something even worse < 1417606207 12970 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was making it impossible to ssh in < 1417606207 596317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't spoof DNS, you get the right IPs back < 1417606211 570143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they route those IPs to their server(!!!!) < 1417606213 552263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to display a block page < 1417606218 288429 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1417606224 753635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of breaking their DNS servers, which you can just change, they break IP :p < 1417606255 352687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me like 10 minutes of poking to realise that was happening. there was such a sinking feeling < 1417606269 661018 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they seem to be doing something entirely different dubious here < 1417606304 363783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw I am on virgin media and using their DNS servers. < 1417606352 911314 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I send a GET request to 62.252.172.241 manually < 1417606356 649871 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get my own site back < 1417606367 296439 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so AFAICT Virgin have placed a transparent proxy in front of my site < 1417606373 592501 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that breaks everything other than HTTP < 1417606394 342202 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via a DNS redirect < 1417606401 120015 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the next question is, why? < 1417606407 473514 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they planning to inject adverts or something? < 1417606428 354292 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISPs are so nasty :( < 1417606461 426214 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a side-effect of this is that I can't easily check my email < 1417606466 726144 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go use the hosts file for its intended purpose < 1417606591 102071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch < 1417606615 588578 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1417606964 369655 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1417607026 634233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet == HTTP, as everyone knows. < 1417607048 275221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling for 62.252.172.241 finds a couple of other examples associating that address with various names. < 1417607067 859701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (raw.githubusercontent.com)|62.252.172.241|:443" ... "Tracing route to coaa.co.uk. [62.252.172.241]" ... and so on. < 1417607094 615156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one continues with "GnuTLS: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received" so I guess it also breaks HTTPS. < 1417607103 946843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps hoping for clients to downgrade to http?) < 1417607127 282975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At least it's not a MITM with a stolen certificate." < 1417607247 642387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a still-open github issue with many confused replies, so they've at least wasted the time of several people as collateral damage. < 1417607298 718732 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1417607384 391984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it breaks everything other than unencrypted port 80 HTTP < 1417607442 776880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm going to try changing the DNS over entirely to level3 < 1417607453 360607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417607466 298530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417607488 137513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :level what? < 1417607497 236255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: level3 is one of the backbone companies < 1417607507 269327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1417607509 475758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have their own publicly usable DNS at 4.2.2.1 < 1417607545 996937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one thing you have to bear in mind with DNS servers is that there's no point in them having actual domain names as you'd need a working DNS to connect to them; so they aim for memorable IPs instead) < 1417607557 251504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know < 1417607614 967883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think googles is 4.4.4.4 right? < 1417607638 336960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: no, it's 8.8.4.4 < 1417607642 731623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 8.8.8.8. < 1417607669 152064 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 4.4.4.4? < 1417607675 165069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or 2001:4860:4860::8888 and 2001:4860:4860::8844 but that's slightly more difficult to remember.) < 1417607682 623507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you can whois an address to see who owns it < 1417607693 306376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole 4.4.0.0/16 is owned by Level3. < 1417607704 580992 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1417607713 556831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be no DNS replies at least for me from 4.4.4.4 though. < 1417607730 934017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You'd think that'd be easier to remember than 4.2.2.1.) < 1417607780 942713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: level3 don't like non-customers using their DNS, I think < 1417607781 718523 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like 4.4.4.4 doesn't respond to port 80 either < 1417607815 57814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I might have to check to see if I'm a level3 customer or not, over 10% of the entire Internet is < 1417607822 428687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to tell due to the number of layers of indirection in between < 1417607824 533796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite :p < 1417607936 995417 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois 4.4.4.4 < 1417607938 614128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whois: not found < 1417607944 146627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level3's listed in all these public DNS lists, but don't seem to have their own page about their public DNS servers, the way e.g. Google have. < 1417607963 130839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could possibly infer that they're at least slightly more ambivalent about it. < 1417607979 152243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my guess is that they don't want to make any sort of guarantee or SLA about how long it'll be up < 1417607985 751552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some article about how they don't like it somewhere :p < 1417608116 310473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably put it back in a while < 1417608164 51323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly come up with a really simple way to determine if I'm a level3 customer or not < 1417608173 995582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use traceroute, and see if it goes past any of the other backbone providers < 1417608176 302927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the way < 1417608176 791684 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1417608221 841505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the tier 1 for virgin media seems to be GTT, who I've never heard of < 1417608233 264991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something quite worrying about the phrase "tier 1 I've never heard of" < 1417608292 250845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever heared of any of the internet backbone stuff. It's all magic to me, and a miracle that it keeps holding up still. And I hope it won't all break down when nobody has enough incentive to make it work. < 1417608313 200785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With over 140,000 routes, GTT connects your network directly to over one-third of the Internet prefixes with no traffic delays and guaranteed packet delivery." < 1417608320 748962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: most of the backbone companies are rather well known < 1417608336 917259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a rather wide definition of "well known". < 1417608341 910307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you made a survey on the street... < 1417608346 806309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :known for being internet backbone, or known for something else? < 1417608359 349737 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guaranteed packet delivery isn't that the opposite of what IP is supposted to be? < 1417608368 25467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they're mostly large enough that they're known for something else < 1417608383 287962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you list some of them? < 1417608392 709192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://www.internethealthreport.com/ < 1417608403 148458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that contains the ping time between pairs of tier 1s < 1417608407 427774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things < 1417608419 800354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not all piers of tier 1s, though, because GTT aren't listed < 1417608440 286501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say AT&T, Sprint and Verizon are all well known. < 1417608449 661914 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1417608451 417517 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guaranteed paket delivery... how is that even possible anyway < 1417608461 465785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but OK, I'll change the DNS over to Google's for now < 1417608483 243733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I don't see how it can be, unless they define it as "we guarantee that the packets will be delivered to the server's tier 1" (which is what a tier 1 network's supposed to do) < 1417608492 543780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if they /are/ the tier 1, then that's a vacuous operation < 1417608524 60852 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. yeah meybe that's it < 1417608547 291763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just mean guaranteed delivery within their network. < 1417608553 720630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417608561 500188 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's possible either < 1417608572 486025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's marketing text, don't take it seriously < 1417608604 151766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks to me like outright lies < 1417608612 558257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly, very dubious definitions < 1417608616 485179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are technically true but misleading < 1417608629 557497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"internet prefixes" is a pretty interesting term, too < 1417608638 676283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Why wouldn't it be possible? < 1417608668 269645 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase their network is subject to accidents < 1417608695 307006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but a "guarantee" does not mean "will happen always", as far as I know. < 1417608702 140386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"guaranteed package delivery" -- are you looking at a UPS ad? < 1417608717 949878 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :packet paket delivery < 1417608732 41093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing < 1417608746 419039 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand why the word has a useless c in it < 1417608762 962215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that in the UK, a lot of companies got in trouble for saying "unlimited" when there were limits, even very large ones < 1417608782 408525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1417608793 258098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ones they claimed were very large) < 1417608813 45734 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway they also saidtheir network isn't subject to traffic delays which is impossible < 1417608840 786839 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on my intro to networking course, all routers have queues < 1417608847 170417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have faster than light transmission technology < 1417608863 746627 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they drop packets in which case the other claim is false < 1417608875 851958 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way to be faster than light is to already be faster than light. < 1417608884 217908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's complaining about post offices with "guaranteed next-day delivery" that also would be "impossible" by your definition. I don't think there's any rule that implies "unconditional" in marketing material. < 1417608906 777023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.royalmail.com/personal/uk-delivery/special-delivery "Special Delivery Guaranteed™ -- On time or your money back!" < 1417608910 132970 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is in some countries. < 1417608928 764175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this reminds me of the actual definition of "guarantee" < 1417608936 889621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is "if this doesn't happen, we'll compensate you" < 1417608940 82954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is physically possible, at least < 1417608944 692158 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1417608973 722757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I was alluding to. < 1417608974 137897 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is very wierd, what are they going to do, give me a penny when they drop my packet? < 1417608976 533588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, that's used often: "100% uptime guarantee" means they're up 95% of the time and pay back 5% of the fees you paied to them < 1417609029 885893 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the penny would probably be taken by the tier 2 isp < 1417609052 743582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this reminds me to "http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0632.html" "Magical power beyond your wildest imaginings! (Based on typical wild imaginings of previous customers matching your demographic profile. Additiona lterms and restrictions may apply.)" < 1417609075 142599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure their actual contracts sound more like that. < 1417609088 19183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: certainly not a penny when they drop a packet. that would be very expensive. < 1417609098 658309 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 0.001 penny < 1417609107 509343 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 0.000001 penny < 1417609187 429472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps with less occurrences of the word "magic" in them.) < 1417609220 325683 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they define magic as a term of art < 1417609253 680386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some paper ads here that claim the new trams have 99.9% uptime. That's completely impossible. I wouldn't believe even 99% uptime. < 1417609282 351585 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trams means streetcars right? < 1417609291 188688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1417609294 992391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :electric ones < 1417609309 314846 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones in my city have about 30% uptime < 1417609340 239782 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of construction and accidents and barfing on the seats < 1417609353 429401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some trams installed between Birmingham and Wolverhampton a while back < 1417609357 268774 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PRECIPITATED CHICKEN < 1417609380 545600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they work properly nowadays, but during early days of the service, the doors wouldn't shut unless everyone put their weight on a particular side of the tram < 1417609416 673173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that bad here, but still, 99.9% is an insane promise that they could keep only if they redefine uptime the way they want. < 1417609420 760186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tram service is pretty much treated identically to the train service by the public transport thing < 1417609494 216729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the way the train service works here is interesting < 1417609510 323295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they guarantee (in the same sense of "compensation if it doesn't happen") transport from one train station to another, at a certain speed < 1417609516 665716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, they don't necessarily guarantee it's by train < 1417609548 551389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something goes wrong with the train lines, they'll sometimes hire coaches or buses in order to keep the journeys possible < 1417609569 283615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1417609579 903391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacement with buses is the norm everywhere < 1417609587 295312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for trains and for trams < 1417609592 69795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for metro too < 1417609631 678468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder what they replace buses with when they go wrong < 1417609635 809728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my personal experience is "other buses" < 1417609676 591676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, other buses < 1417609685 955933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly buses on other routes < 1417609697 174078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that trams and metro are more difficult to re-route < 1417609719 993169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Those look rather light-raily for trams. Though the terminology is hopelessly muddy, or so I understand. < 1417609738 285804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They replace buses with just freight trucks filled with something soft. < 1417609745 837413 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417609764 861895 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in japan they don't have many buses < 1417609791 792536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kyoto certainly had a lot of buses. < 1417609795 764265 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's experience in japan is limited to urban tokyo
< 1417609817 31825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably quite location-dependent. < 1417609862 357051 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokyo has subways, streetcars and trains < 1417609880 155622 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of which were very reliably < 1417609907 37032 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that one time when some drunk barfed alcohol all over the floor < 1417609953 350352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kyoto had all of those (a bit less extensively, though) but buses too. < 1417610007 742351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The JR West lines weren't very useful for actual in-the-city stuff, though, which was a shame. (We had a rail pass dealie.) < 1417610011 286053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1417610020 18217 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1417610077 211895 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing about the trains in Tokyo is thatyou pay based on how far you go. in Toronto it is a flat and vry high rate < 1417610169 282404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :London has those zones and the whole "touching in and out" thing. < 1417610290 867940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a lot of talk here about making the new (Helsinki metropolitan area) public transit system do exit fares and be based on travel distance. < 1417610319 987936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially those living right next to a zone border complain about the prices a lot. < 1417610392 682470 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Toronto you pay $2.50 whether you are going one stop or he entire length.that is 1.40 pounds or, or 262 yen. < 1417610405 972540 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip offf < 1417610433 835317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the way train fares are calculated in the UK is massively complex < 1417610447 419622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a ticket has a start destination and an end destination < 1417610479 267672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can travel along any legal route between them, and in most cases, can get on and off multiple times during the journey and catch a later train for the remaining portion, also you can skip portions (including the start and end) < 1417610493 241266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to prevent this being abusable, there's crazy complex rules for what a legal route is < 1417610519 304497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a discussion of that in #trains once. < 1417610638 361256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make a 20 km ride within Espoo for the "intra-muncipality" price of 1.95€ (£1.54, $2.40), but going just, say, 200 metres between stops, if they cross the Helsinki/Espoo border, would cost the "inter-muncipality" rate of 3.65€ (£2.87, $4.50). < 1417610724 720570 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crazy expensive < 1417610733 288583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think Finnish railways used to have something similar, but now the "default" non-commuting tickets are pretty much sold for a particular train. < 1417610747 660691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK version is a cross between zones and travel distance, just to make things more confusing < 1417610759 355433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically impossible to figure out the correct fare for a journey without a computer < 1417610810 512249 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also nuts. even someone who doesn't speak japanese could easily firgure out how to use the metro in tokyo. < 1417610813 734089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Cash peak-period prices for London subway rides go from £4.80 to £8.40 depending on how many zones you cross, so... < 1417610829 636941 :S1!~S1@pD9FCA2DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1417610848 906423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about long-distance < 1417610856 447340 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap... why so expensive? < 1417610860 42774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in London, I think there are only six different fares you're likely to come across? < 1417610874 348536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that zone 6 is where Heathrow is. < 1417610874 530318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the peak periods, there isn't enough capacity for everyone who /wants/ to use the service < 1417610885 837486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they put the prices up as a method of reducing demand < 1417610895 530147 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why you hire people to push people into the train < 1417610908 861535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the non-peak pay-with-the-smartcard prices are £2.30 to £4.00, which is quite expensive compared to many places. < 1417610913 376752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the train tickets in Hungary are sold for a route between a source and destination, but you can take any trains and stop any number of times on that route < 1417610927 735771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's pretty much how most UK tickets work < 1417610932 300301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1417610948 684970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the price is based on the distance, though there's some complications < 1417611052 853036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you chose the right options in the Finnish railways webshop, you could buy a ticket from city A to a city B in Northern Finland, and it would (due to lack of matching options) route it via Helsinki, and since the price was based on the A-B distance, the ticket would cost something like 1/3 of the regular price from A to Helsinki. < 1417611071 845124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then you could just get off from the train in Helsinki, because we don't check tickets at exit. < 1417611072 89702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what... < 1417611089 324145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are probably a bunch of exploits like that in the UK system < 1417611089 496601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically it was still against the terms. < 1417611104 27363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "probably", because someone wrote to the people in charge asking them if various exploits were legal < 1417611110 539811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure the price here is based on the distance on the route. the distances on each line are listed in the timetable book. < 1417611130 826884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they came up with arbitrary reasons that weren't in the rules to disallow some of the more egregious ones, and then told the original questioner to stop asking hypothetical questions < 1417611139 79004 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in tokyo the prices are on the wall in every station < 1417611143 347166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also rumour has it the officials in the A-to-Helsinki trains sometimes refused to honour those tickets. < 1417611161 274940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though technically they had no way of telling you intended to not continue. < 1417611165 685234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they didn't say "they're not allowed now"? < 1417611176 208206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, changing the rules? < 1417611178 679405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the rules are already something like 1000 pages long < 1417611187 425811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out /how/ to change them to get a desired effect is quite difficult < 1417611188 398485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1417611216 861108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another discovery we made was that it was theoretically possible to have two stations such that you just couldn't have a journey between them at all, because even the most direct route would be too indirect < 1417611220 380449 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't we have simple systems? < 1417611232 251765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone identified such a pair of tickets, and it turns out that the ticket machines in fact do not sell them < 1417611240 430558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we think the machines are programmed to enforce the rules literally < 1417611261 603583 :S1!~S1@pD9FCA2DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1417611268 839514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or maybe backwards, the rules document what's programmed in < 1417611276 395159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, possibly < 1417611291 815151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the direct route is documented here, but they needn't really be because you buy the tickets for a specific route < 1417611298 641496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also learned today: the TfL fare chart for London tube/DLR/overground rail on their website is a .xlsx file. < 1417611304 63566 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wrote an abomination to read the rules nd produce code? < 1417611307 570724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I looked at it once, and it was a PDF. < 1417611308 17736 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :amybe < 1417611309 114486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can list intermediate statoins on the route when it's not obvious what the route is < 1417611355 295230 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a particular case about routes I'll try to tell < 1417611390 225634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These .xlsx ones are "effective from 2 January 2015", so perhaps they've gone from bad (.pdf) to worse (.xlsx). < 1417611459 468566 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone decided 'hey i have this php xlsx generator lets use that' probably < 1417611492 837795 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of even trying to make a human readable document < 1417611517 31490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xlsx file has a fixed header and a scrollable body (so it's easier to see the column headings), which I suppose is its main selling point. < 1417611531 686858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that you couldn't accomplish that with HTML and styling. < 1417611536 133757 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1417611617 718571 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have done something similar at a job (export business logic from database into xlsx) < 1417611673 249898 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main point is, accountants love Excel < 1417611989 66629 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have some sort of view used by web store to find prices -- behind it is screwed up business logic written in SQL stored procedures. all you do is SELECT * from that view, and then format it into excel. that is likely what they did < 1417612094 853415 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-116.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1417612128 237744 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-22-116.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1417612128 381039 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1417612139 295302 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417612140 816186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know. It looks more manually-constructed than that. But perhaps there was an initial Excel dump from some system. < 1417612305 117254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41318&oldid=41315 5* 0350.207.43.222 5* (-103) 10 < 1417612480 183261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41319&oldid=41316 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+239) 10 < 1417612569 465816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41320&oldid=41319 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+144) 10 < 1417612741 771160 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. That one reminds me of lambda calculus. < 1417612819 709928 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean lamda calculus < 1417612950 582372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41321&oldid=41320 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+18) 10 < 1417612961 559438 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λfx.f (f (f x)) < 1417613229 297296 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan and then over 4 years later we have this little scene... http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110221 < 1417613229 478857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1417613839 555908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan and this is the one I was looking for: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110516 < 1417613839 699297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1417614342 613205 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 4 years later after what? < 1417614394 178513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: four years after http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061201 < 1417614506 712532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Publishing time. In comic time I guess it's two to four weeks.) < 1417615193 414310 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417615606 422748 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1417615642 699371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orello < 1417615812 319524 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i made a connect 4 game in php < 1417615822 185199 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was your day so far? < 1417615867 127118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been writing PHP so far today < 1417615874 618543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect my day went better than yours ;-) < 1417615880 251076 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1417616056 571127 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at leasti dont have to pay for aws < 1417616360 925598 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk peanut butter toast < 1417617232 579600 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417617270 153551 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1417617377 198286 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a mad function idea
< 1417617542 119864 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1417617711 928170 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417617716 278307 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah hah! I can now index nested lists to arbitrary dimensions. < 1417617757 261577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1417617901 544149 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417618081 550366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ah, I think I'm ahead of you then. I didn't code anything in php today. < 1417618418 798333 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is ahead of me today... oh well atleast i have peanut butter < 1417618444 433027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dailywtf, you never cease finding new lows to sink to. < 1417618446 297741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"buf[strlen(buf)] = '\0'; -- But even on null terminated strings, this code is dangerous. Since arrays in C, like any sane language, are zero indexed, this code may attempt to access memory beyond the end of the array, overwriting whatever’s there with a null terminator." < 1417618454 193361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just nonsense, and the code is perfectly safe (if completely useless) if there is a string in buf. < 1417618514 621594 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i dont understand is why someone used '\0' instead of 0 < 1417618517 497127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, just having a string isn't quite enough, it needs to be one that can be modified. But still.) < 1417618525 103341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some think it's more self-descriptive. < 1417618534 285822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the same people who use NULL instead of 0. < 1417618535 750883 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are both of type int < 1417618553 559485 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas NULL is of type void* < 1417618557 314556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1417618565 539178 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1417618571 295640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an implementation-defined null pointer constant, or one cast to void *. < 1417618571 439278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: AFAICT, the code is exactly equivalent to strcat(buf, "") < 1417618576 817840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be of type int, too. < 1417618600 416178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever considered that tdwtf might be intentionally incorrect to try to trick people into using its forums? < 1417618615 660334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but that's indeed plausible. < 1417618628 568419 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will never look at those computer-killing forums again < 1417618654 246677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(E.g. #define NULL 0 is a valid definition for NULL. As is #define NULL '\0' for that matter.) < 1417618706 671710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the forums are awful even for computers that work better than yours < 1417618718 21499 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. but you don't need a cast to assign it to a pointer, unlike other integers? < 1417618762 144311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1417618762 351314 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the forums content is bad too < 1417618763 847181 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1417618764 332399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- NULL which expands to an implementation-defined null pointer constant --" (C11 7.19p3) + "An integer constant expression with the value 0, or such an expression cast to type void *, is called a null pointer constant." (C11 6.3.2.3p3) < 1417618792 329092 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: be careful, those things have like three different definitions depending on the version of C and c++ < 1417618804 200047 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw c++ < 1417618828 130495 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if im in c++ i rarely use pointers anyway < 1417618840 758018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the version of C affects this. < 1417618843 623240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in particular, the latest C++ standard closes the loophole that lets you detect wheteher an expression is a constant expression by testing if their zeroed version converts to a null pointer < 1417618849 404471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the parts I quoted are identical in C89 and C11. < 1417618867 583931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in plain words, (3-3) converts to a null pointer in C and in old C++, but not in future C++ < 1417618875 301079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the exact version where it changes < 1417618893 374863 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw c++ i don't use pointers in c++ < 1417618921 57546 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the data structures come ready made anyway < 1417618965 611694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well. They've got the nullptr too. It's a whole 'nother language, sure. < 1417618971 723894 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ should have stopped pretending to be c a long time ago < 1417618991 504982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sure, this change is something only #esoteric cares about. you people can still write 0 or NULL or nullptr < 1417619001 694363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: no, it should not stop that < 1417619040 938111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is important for us people who use C++ for actual work to be easy to interoperate with C libraries, and be able to just include the C headers with almost no changes < 1417619049 996593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1417619051 159288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't C have nullptr too these days? < 1417619058 144223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417619059 713539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that still C++ exclusive? < 1417619069 209536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's still C++. < 1417619075 336228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1417619086 463852 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtually all languages have easy ways to work with C libraries. < 1417619090 603449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You'd have to speak real fast to get the C committee to add a keyword that does not begin with a _ followed by an uppercase letter. < 1417619108 301831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so what? they'd call it _Nullptr and put nullptr as a macro in some header < 1417619117 482055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they did with alignas too < 1417619121 455361 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no reason that the method has to involve copypasting a file into your file < 1417619138 997621 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is what #include does) < 1417619161 101408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Did alignas come from C++? < 1417619167 586657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno < 1417619190 86114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about bool then < 1417619190 451803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a keyword in C++11, at least. < 1417619192 919384 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of this stuff was thought up by compilers < 1417619205 272040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bool definitely comes from C++, and C took it as _Bool to which bool is a macro < 1417619206 35084 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(byt the writters of compilers that is) < 1417619217 200956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also _Static_assert / static_assert, and _Thread_local / thread_local, but I don't know which way those went. < 1417619231 952067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah, static_assert almost certainly comes from C++ < 1417619235 377363 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Complex < 1417619236 820047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C people don't invent that kind of stuff < 1417619254 812093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: _Complex is different, C invented that and C++ SHOULD steal it, but they take it in pride and they don't < 1417619265 328546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they think their inferior std::complex template is better < 1417619284 455799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not even compatible, you can't just convert from one to another < 1417619306 590383 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with c++ is that they did not make the standard template things builtins < 1417619320 302570 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::vector should be a builtin < 1417619324 772055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... no < 1417619328 884277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::vector should not be builtin < 1417619334 85088 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1417619370 479272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should it be? it can be implemented in C++ fine as a class, and this way it's easier to add methods to it later < 1417619386 357975 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1417619410 936742 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase then the compiler would not have to parse all that template garbage every time < 1417619451 918383 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be faster becuase the algorithms can be tailored to the exact processor < 1417619469 953913 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the type that it is instantiated over < 1417619583 424147 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=10164 < 1417619640 621231 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link does not load < 1417619646 827512 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417619689 824979 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there should be a builtin string, vector, and matrix type at least < 1417619729 600128 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now it loads < 1417619761 848863 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1417619930 870503 :augur!~augur@74.174.236.84 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417620372 123357 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1417620466 19906 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1417620550 848534 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417620681 990465 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1417621075 484627 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1417621259 521943 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1417621305 372625 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wijlccjnprwzfljg JOIN :#esoteric < 1417621467 823542 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1417621686 306899 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417621690 144531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417621823 51685 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1417623582 913212 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1417623592 355241 :dts!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode NICK :dts|pokeball < 1417623660 328001 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :re notation for long repeating integers < 1417623693 349270 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend 0xffff notation by allowing other numbers before the x < 1417623716 595621 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that 3xff is 0xffffff < 1417623834 361686 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to 8 for an eight byte number < 1417623902 490466 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the x means "times" as well as "hex" dth? < 1417623985 904356 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not multiplication though. < 1417624017 319852 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is string multiplication < 1417624025 398890 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in perl x operator < 1417624303 568744 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.77.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417624596 67281 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417624722 681421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then why does 0xff mean ff, rather than 0? < 1417624743 450196 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it like Befunge-98 < 1417624766 29447 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have, in 1xff, the "1x" mean "1 repeat of ff", but then have the actual ff still there after it < 1417624771 96257 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up with ffff < 1417624804 837854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't think I'd be a fan of that notation < 1417624878 960561 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orenwatson14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41322&oldid=41278 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+248) 10added mini-description for extended hex notation. < 1417624914 359230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3X7f7 is 0x77ff77 < 1417624927 30275 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3x7f7 us 0x7f77f7 < 1417624944 710403 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1417624955 761126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now 3x is reapeating things twice? < 1417624972 132258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417624976 924058 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number is the number of bytes < 1417624995 695758 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything stating with 4 has 4 bytes < 1417624996 716086 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this went nuts quickly < 1417625022 347211 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1417625032 279980 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3x7f is 7f7f7f < 1417625043 147225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3X7f is 777fff < 1417625062 386337 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuts? hop hop i'm a squirrel! < 1417625154 896142 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :5x789 = 0x9789789789 < 1417625286 861104 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or yknow, the thing from ice age the... Scrat, that thing < 1417625336 563125 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you may be right... repeating it the number of times may be easier to calculate < 1417625401 642269 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some of you would be interested in the programming challenge at http://domino.research.ibm.com/Comm/wwwr_ponder.nsf/Challenges/December2014.html < 1417625422 6995 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok new rule: 3x7f is 0x7f7f7f, 3X7f is 777fff but 2X7f7 is 0x77ff77 < 1417625466 462157 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 can be reserved for something... hmmm... < 1417625515 623418 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1417625533 852182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few days ago there was mentioned in here a Magic deck designed to instantly lose < 1417625571 502851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orenwatson14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41323&oldid=41322 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (-22) 10revised the notation to be more sane. < 1417625644 597386 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone still have the link? < 1417626297 587095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Sgeo: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/fastest-turn-1-kill-guaranteed/ < 1417626349 656119 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't. I searched the logs for "deck" from codu.org) < 1417626362 986595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the word order scrambled got. < 1417626376 236948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1417626445 555570 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't count, playing a pact makes you lose turn 2 < 1417626467 883626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say that you can take an extra turn. < 1417626479 917978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you can) < 1417626497 475711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it still happens before your opponent ever takes a turn. < 1417626541 116936 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extra turn cards make you lose at the end of that turn, so the pacts don't help there < 1417626732 430037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Reading again, it actually says that the extra turn cards are the way to lose if you can; the pacts are more of a fallback (you have to fill the deck with something...). < 1417626930 722071 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this deck looks week to force of will < 1417626935 733063 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weak to < 1417626938 325219 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like other turn 1 kill decks < 1417626949 466796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These 2 routes will end the game without any decision-making on the part of your opponent." is false, of course. They can play pacts of their own, for example. < 1417626980 552063 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :misere magic < 1417627037 903295 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1417627041 947024 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can pact of negation your extra turn card < 1417627047 39010 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you going to do /now/? < 1417627079 256166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: I know! < 1417627141 44979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: that's when you use the extra turn cards, hoping that there isn't a second pact of negation waiting for them ;) < 1417627141 335940 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: Pass the turn < 1417627143 633020 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal is to end the game < 1417627144 774233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to lose < 1417627150 682944 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you pass the turn after they pact, you win! < 1417627186 709340 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they force you, then you pact it < 1417627296 114977 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: then you run the risk of them angel's gracing their own pact < 1417627303 434905 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or stifling it < 1417627407 396204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do that without mana? < 1417627428 972616 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gemstone caverns < 1417627438 230235 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was waiting for someone to ask how I paid for it :-) < 1417627493 321351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny card < 1417627513 276518 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there's something you can discard for colored mana
< 1417627535 514435 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can exile simian spirit guide / elvish spirit guide for red and green respectively < 1417627538 288278 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which are the wrong colors < 1417627550 896225 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them let you play manamorphose and get the correct colors < 1417627563 435943 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's way more complex than just gemstone caverns, which is one card < 1417627721 670001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. "If multiple Gemstone Caverns are put onto the battlefield under a single player's control before the game begins, the "legend rule" won't put the extras into that player's graveyard until just before the first player gets priority during his or her first upkeep step. There's no opportunity to tap the extras for mana." < 1417627746 841304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "You can do that, but it won't help you." < 1417627793 576433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you need cards in your graveyard, I guess < 1417627808 54979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there must be easier ways to accomplish that :P < 1417627951 658157 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lion's eye diamond is the normal way < 1417627957 957023 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of crazy < 1417627976 780629 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :black lotus is considered one of the best magic cards ever, it generates 3 mana on sacrifice and costs 0 < 1417627992 689277 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time later, they made a black lotus variant where you have to discard your hand, everyone thought it sucked < 1417628006 567524 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then people developed storm decks that could work around the discard-your-hand drawback, and it became very expensive < 1417628024 51397 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now there are decks like manaless dredge that play lion's eye diamond for the discard, and don't even have a use for the three mana < 1417628037 471289 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.6 Beta Build (2014/12/03-1) 32 Bit < 1417628059 61781 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417628081 347881 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out that the only problem with one with nothing is that it's one mana too expensive ;-) < 1417628098 55619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Orenwatson14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41324&oldid=41323 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (-226) 10i've just realized this leads to a syntactic ambiguity impossible to resolve with an LR(0) parser so back to the drawing board < 1417628145 456369 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is being LR(0) parsable important to you? < 1417628176 631284 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL would be LR(infinity), except that it has a specific exception banning programs that don't parse in LR(1) < 1417628189 706980 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the grammar itself isn't LR(1), but individual programs have to be < 1417628190 991485 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because scrip7 is interpreted yet is a 'systems' or 'game' language the parser has to be very very fast < 1417628242 268632 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you can't just JIT the parsing? < 1417628259 330578 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i want it to read each character once only < 1417628273 780653 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are possibly optimizing for the wrong thing < 1417628277 451341 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be self-modifying < 1417628299 17772 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, in that case you're definitely optimizing for the wrong thing, as you'll have to reread a character when it's modified anyway < 1417628321 348320 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't want to backtrack ever < 1417628353 404987 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or build a parse tree. the grammar is also flat < 1417628371 606710 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so this is lexing, rather than parsing < 1417628372 547016 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for nested parens) < 1417628382 676381 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if someone overwrites one of a paren pair? < 1417628384 610296 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there effectively is no parse step < 1417628396 969365 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to reparse everything anyway, because the parens no longer match the same way < 1417628440 438529 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parens are jump vectors on a stack in the newest version (not uploaded yet) < 1417628484 696584 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway not exactly. you can decide which paren matches based on the stack < 1417628493 292609 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, say you modify a paren that's already on the stack < 1417628498 401205 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have to remove it from the stack when that happens? < 1417628519 60642 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you using an intrusive linked list into the program? < 1417628633 511244 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... well it is a little complicated but the parens essentially represent the C if(0)while(1){...} < 1417628651 764779 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you jump in, it is stacked < 1417628664 352 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you jump out it is unstacked < 1417628690 735682 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you hit them, it simply jumps to the vector at the top < 1417628724 491740 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in current version on wiki, it instead searches backward for match, but i am changing it < 1417628807 431244 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get faster execution speed < 1417628822 540938 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid JOIN :#esoteric < 1417628877 598909 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the semantics of self-modification are not yet well defined for this language < 1417628916 955665 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oren < 1417628920 497530 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1417628953 946739 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am explaining why i want scrip7 to be parsed LR(0) < 1417629047 402999 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about LR whatever? < 1417629057 475158 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just compiler textbook filler? < 1417629074 341999 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it defines how complex the parser code is and therefore < 1417629080 420931 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :determines parsing speed < 1417629150 943175 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is septh of parse tree which i want to be about 2 at most here < 1417629161 145332 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/septh/depth < 1417629187 331205 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your parser isn’t doing big transformations, isn’t parsing speed determined by how quickly you can feed it? < 1417629203 550065 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the largest program you will ever write? < 1417629214 690136 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will probably be able to parse it in <1second < 1417629224 654742 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore: Fuck parsing theory < 1417629225 796652 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many times a second < 1417629232 609340 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to parse multiple times a second? < 1417629235 610406 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1417629241 23628 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to parse the same file multiple times? < 1417629265 255162 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is an interpreted language, and i will be using it (maybe) to define entity behaviour in a game < 1417629296 170227 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :entity means enemies, objects, bullets whatever < 1417629350 722034 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in other words run 100 programs every frame < 1417629378 383051 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can get it to be fast enough, 1000 prgrams < 1417629387 322898 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, you parse once and cache the parse < 1417629407 8849 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thoughht you compiled your code < 1417629411 768653 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it generated C code < 1417629427 390889 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ive totally misunderstood scrip7 < 1417629434 957875 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is embedded inside a C program as a string, or fed from a file < 1417629442 121571 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im sorry then < 1417629456 293452 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything i sadi about parsing wascoming from my false assumption < 1417629563 71226 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially the idea is to designe language in such a way as to keep anything from needing a complex parse tree < 1417629598 2974 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally there will be no parse tree at all. the interpreter will execute code as it reads it, directly. < 1417629656 160488 :S1!~S1@p4FF938CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1417629661 917453 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then, i am dealing with problem that 0xff notation is ambigious and requires lookahead or backtracking < 1417629674 528179 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because x could be a variable name < 1417629702 311550 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this notation seems like it's of very marginal use in this sort of language < 1417629737 519190 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am considering a different sigil such as %ffff instead < 1417629742 20243 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah its good < 1417629761 723312 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something as simple as changing the 'x' to a digit means you have to completely reparse the constant < 1417629771 309387 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, self-modification should be at the token level, not the byte level < 1417629808 542427 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i jsut said the interpreter does not build any kind of parse tree, it reads bytes directly < 1417629882 501297 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and executes directly upon reading, for maximum speed short of a JIT < 1417629901 689677 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1417629930 555685 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I'm trying to tell you that if you want extreme speed < 1417629941 320990 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :building a parse tree once is faster than executing bytes thousands of times < 1417629955 569313 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also makes your language's semantics cleaner < 1417629961 680439 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the parse tree then is read many times? < 1417629972 109518 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that help? < 1417629981 89279 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use an appropriate data structure for the parse tree so that you can navigate in it without needing to read the whole thing < 1417630003 748485 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for interpreting, you normally use something like a linked list, where the links represent possible flows of execution < 1417630010 394522 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :already we navigate in string without reading the whole thing. < 1417630015 293898 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can move around in the parse tree just by following links < 1417630022 340926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1417630030 812716 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that it's always just the one memory access to load the next command < 1417630051 552253 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually one is too many, really, but rather better than trying to match brackets on every run) < 1417630076 316367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1417630076 498259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 4h 40m 46s ago: and then over 4 years later we have this little scene... http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110221 < 1417630076 498392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 4h 30m 36s ago: and this is the one I was looking for: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110516 < 1417630153 618138 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... i will look at a better method for matching brackets, and simply undefine behviour of erasing brackts < 1417630188 371123 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was never defined in first place so ok < 1417630278 263802 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a C-style language where things are undefined to make implementers job easier < 1417630354 579233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the last scene is the last time i remember seeing her < 1417630765 477210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e the last scene is the last time i remember seeing her < 1417630765 620201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1417630804 543994 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1417630948 898238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The next time Klaus turns up he's testing Gil with one of the slaver ferret things (after, apparently, Gil poisoned Dupree with a recipe by Tarvek), and seems to be in control. I'm really interested in an explanation for that. < 1417631210 582763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1417631425 656609 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1417631593 352466 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am back. was roped into chopping and stacking yuletide logs < 1417631669 513947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i've always been assuming he faked the ferret < 1417631728 652776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more likely than gil being wasped, at least < 1417631756 19581 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought C is a C-style language where things are undefined to make implementers job easier < 1417631771 765767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i am not sure about is whether the copy of klaus inside gil obeys lucrezia or not < 1417631836 539693 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417631848 777676 :S1!~S1@p4FF938CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :|S} < 1417631907 952568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm expecting dupree's thus induced immunity to wasps to become an issue. < 1417631908 398631 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417631927 476798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well hm < 1417631941 422698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem moot now that gil is kind of in charge < 1417632053 805892 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417632128 416609 :perrier_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417632788 332232 :|S}!~S1@p4FF938CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: |S} < 1417632909 35762 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: ok, new idea < 1417632912 55929 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :present a 59-card deck < 1417632913 279989 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :call a judge < 1417632915 977918 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :get DQed for cheating < 1417632920 452820 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :your opponent can't stop that! < 1417632939 760978 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that only works once per tournament, at most < 1417632942 94598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this in the right channel < 1417632961 496547 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's pretty eso < 1417632967 449014 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only arguably programming < 1417632975 823686 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's more ontopic than usual < 1417632991 292258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounded more related to recent agora discussions :P < 1417633002 869826 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora is also more ontopic here than this channel normally is < 1417633011 106553 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less ontopic than the actual topic < 1417633397 170280 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1176000251.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea is to waste everyone's time at a round-robin? < 1417634215 220877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: the rules are already something like 1000 pages long <-- so basically mornington crescent is "based on a true story"? < 1417634245 139819 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to be fair, it's almost entirely consists of tables < 1417634335 9754 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: Regarding silly fare rules, airline tickets are quite similar < 1417634362 318451 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend who managed, after some finessing an online interface to get it to accept entry of the route, to successfully book a $300 ticket with like 10 connections < 1417634421 919976 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since under the rules for the fare, the price is based only on the endpoints, and there was a list of airports that he was allowed to connect through, and while it made no sense for getting there quickly, you could legally connect through all of them < 1417634430 628015 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which let him rack up an insane amount of frequent flyer miles < 1417634481 26252 :CakeMeat!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xoydpjmljwvxuott JOIN :#esoteric < 1417635279 862864 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1417635393 11028 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1417635417 429562 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1417636049 878127 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417636077 125880 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 NICK :Guest12721 < 1417636396 922564 :password2!~password@197.76.148.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417636429 526575 :password2!~password@197.76.148.113 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1417636527 748660 :password2!~password@197.76.148.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417636598 302011 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how long did the flight take? or did he intentionally miss some of the endpoints? < 1417636628 433474 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like two days I think < 1417636628 733757 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are there people who book flights then don't take them, simply for the frequent flier miles? < 1417636638 800918 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to actually take them for the miles < 1417637017 898042 :Guest12721!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417637110 114626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fixed that loophole I think < 1417637111 235474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how < 1417637118 75993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw an article about it < 1417637184 338909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: There was that one guy who booked a first-class flight that (a) was freely transferrable/cancellable and (b) included a before-flight meal at the airline's lounge, went and ate there, moved the flight to the next day, and repeated this for a few months or something. < 1417637213 474874 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, beautiful < 1417637236 579494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this is again one of those "a man in China" news stories, so the verity might be questionable. < 1417637256 96480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nypost.com/2014/01/29/man-uses-first-class-plane-ticket-to-eat-free-for-a-year/ and there's probably several other copies of it. < 1417637291 883064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least it mentions the airline, but that's about it.) < 1417637510 240237 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1417638427 846943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41325&oldid=41266 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+946) 10 < 1417638485 746479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1417638596 525275 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417638759 357279 :password2!~password@197.76.148.113 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417638886 573415 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1417638967 934871 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417639195 482751 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe, that before flight meal thing is funny < 1417639272 585839 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1417639350 25640 :cluid!~cluid@unaffiliated/cluid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417639484 676268 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417639616 17611 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tag14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=41326&oldid=8814 5* 03BCompton 5* (+25) 10Output only < 1417639757 584313 :S1!~S1@p4FF938CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1417640060 612337 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417640089 531198 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a man who bought a first class card for trains for a year, eating and sleeping in there, traveling from town to town to beg for money for the next card < 1417640151 874613 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417640166 594745 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417640174 498089 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1417640175 381705 :S1!~S1@p4FF938CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :S0 < 1417640180 235310 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1417640242 742572 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1417640258 391270 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1417640273 248948 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417640770 920184 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 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:callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417644268 635017 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1417644460 266970 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417644491 388348 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat113.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1417644717 614924 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1417644882 320048 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1417645056 61033 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk < 1417645708 223905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, int-e: I don't know much about this deck, it was just vaguely similar to Sgeo's description and I heard of it once. < 1417645838 612529 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekNomz < 1417645888 845264 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1417646395 825648 :GeekNomz!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1417646625 521294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:53:20 Oh, dailywtf, you never cease finding new lows to sink to. < 1417646625 664712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:53:22 "buf[strlen(buf)] = '\0'; -- But even on null terminated strings, this code is dangerous. Since arrays in C, like any sane language, are zero indexed, this code may attempt to access memory beyond the end of the array, overwriting whatever’s there with a null terminator." < 1417646630 479790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:53:30 That's just nonsense, and the code is perfectly safe (if completely useless) if there is a string in buf. < 1417646633 482803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRWTF, etc. < 1417646656 221121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the "anonymisation" they do to TDWTF submissions often completely loses the nuance because the people running it are .NET guys or whatever. < 1417646683 798378 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transwritten Reformedly Winnelstrae Trist Film < 1417646706 180233 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topsman Dinghee Woodmanship Tensibility Florimanist < 1417646719 619597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sometimes the submitter posts the original WTF in the comments, and it's much better than the posted one < 1417646744 924924 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-51.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1417647078 623388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I'm not sure all of those are words < 1417647128 49192 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, isn't strlen(buf) > size of the buffer if there is no null? < 1417647139 898149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no < 1417647145 358047 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're not a word < 1417647153 309950 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: how so? < 1417647163 820018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's no nul, it's not a C string < 1417647170 308291 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll transwrite your ass, you tensible fucker < 1417647173 940026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But even on null terminated strings," is where the nonsense begins < 1417647184 185995 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought strlen is basically while(*str++!=0) len++; < 1417647195 565366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL terminated strings, where you terminate strings with the actual bitpattern of null pointers, downcasted to a char < 1417647206 676384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: strlen("abc\0") == 3 < 1417647211 254538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abc\0"[3] == '\0' < 1417647212 798879 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1417647229 964580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need strlen(s) + 1 chars to store a nul-terminated string < 1417647234 189830 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have buf of len 3 you might screw you < 1417647240 394702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have a buf of len 3 < 1417647245 912361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then it's not nul-terminated < 1417647252 210084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calling strlen on it is UB < 1417647257 837467 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line is a nop on null terminated strings < 1417647261 294054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1417647265 131052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:43:01 14:53:22 "buf[strlen(buf)] = '\0'; -- But even on null terminated strings, this code is dangerous. Since arrays in C, like any sane language, are zero indexed, this code may attempt to access memory beyond the end of the array, overwriting whatever’s there with a null terminator." < 1417647271 71561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nonsense is the part that's actually written there. < 1417647282 788196 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1417647285 184225 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1417647331 101225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you call strlen on a non-nul terminated string, you're doomed even if you don't then use that result as an index < 1417647375 950231 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what will happen if you try to read from after the end of your memory < 1417647390 960350 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the physicsl memory < 1417647401 891747 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a memory access violation? < 1417647404 676616 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1417647425 569236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, virtual memory gets in the way of that < 1417647428 743757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in user mode < 1417647431 857739 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just accessing some other thing because ok you beat me. < 1417647463 521100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in user mode//, I guess. < 1417647496 316485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for science? < 1417647517 254140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an architecture without virtual memory then I would guess that either it wraps, or it's a fault. < 1417648094 393071 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1417648138 377042 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1417649555 881894 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's clearly wrong for nul-terminated strings too, though < 1417649570 352322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by wrong < 1417649572 929397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's defensive programming!! < 1417649618 862401 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Making sure that \0 really is a \0? < 1417649637 216043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if buf is volatile < 1417649643 334650 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1417649658 143663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then it's probably UB because you can't guarantee enough sync between the strlen and the write, or something) < 1417649689 528934 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if buf is actually a #define for an array access of an inline function call!! < 1417649692 841414 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, for the string "a", strlen will give 1, which is the index of the \0 < 1417649753 248367 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see how fizzie made his error though < 1417649807 903168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :( you can tell I didn't read up first ) < 1417649808 47978 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:37: error: expected: "!!", < 1417649808 48111 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", < 1417649808 48216 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "***", "+", "++", "-", "->", < 1417649808 48293 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".", "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", < 1417649808 48367 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-011-013.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "::", ":::", ":=", "<", "<#>",14↵… < 1417649820 519571 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1417649824 980740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie didn't make an error, he was quoting the daily wtf < 1417649830 24503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is an infallible language lawyer :p < 1417649839 509761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's ok then < 1417649866 492428 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@wl-nat102.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are under arrest for abrogation of language law < 1417650145 756302 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.77.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417650154 404072 :dts|pokeball!~DTSCode@unaffiliated/dtscode JOIN :#esoteric < 1417650385 239568 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1417650688 998281 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1417650869 388621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds