< 1416009615 645183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1416009754 334629 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416009853 108250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so conversion to string doesn't enter the picture; if anything that part will slow the Haskell version down. < 1416010030 723287 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416010203 442534 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.68.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416010409 313601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun. So apparently the last lambdabot downtime was caused by a Windows Server 2012 bug, leading to a switch being flooded with IPv6 packets, overloading the switch's CPU, and thus affecting traffic of completely unrelated hosts. < 1416010642 635584 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416010650 871846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just bill microsoft hth < 1416010910 857604 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.68.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416010953 342740 :olls_!~olls@185.3.87.6 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1416011185 320146 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.67.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416011249 184011 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this serial text thing's manual says to use control sequences starting with "the escape character" but doesn't say what that character is, so i'm like the shit is this fuck < 1416011257 785252 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out it's the ascii ESC control character. i feel very young atm < 1416011289 572607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws Bicyclidine a lollipop
< 1416011297 167548 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what flavor < 1416011301 730049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawberry < 1416011308 504256 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent *licks* < 1416011312 922684 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.67.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ""Pp,20rz{2j**2j**1.+lnPP_+' _+Pp}m[p\t]Q < 1416011313 196764 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1416011334 763416 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.67.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is string formatting so hard! < 1416011355 436486 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1416011361 662970 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.67.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why cant computer intuitively know what I want by now!? < 1416011369 469450 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.67.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame turing. < 1416011387 26261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's teaching you to be precise < 1416011428 580784 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.67.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft. < 1416011463 788079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you manage, it'll reward you with the illusion that you're in control < 1416011500 603928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cheers, I missed this part. "We've also disabled new uses of Windows Server 2012 for now." < 1416011533 384880 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think for formatting you can blame the complications of language < 1416012118 908934 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.78.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416012182 378353 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.67.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416012338 165958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : does someone have a roman numeral to number translator bot here? <-- hm i remember doing that once < 1416012352 113812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*oma* < 1416012352 751218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/fromroman \ bin/randomanonlog \ bin/toroman < 1416012364 74373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you made it afterward < 1416012387 155026 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a radixal to numbers translator? < 1416012388 731556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just made a haskell function < 1416013191 985748 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-50defd-78.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416013386 9881 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416013657 652626 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416013659 868874 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416013804 738377 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416014972 842493 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416015073 32369 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416015353 65157 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@206-80-4-190.static.twtelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416015446 507065 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-50defd-78.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1416015486 865545 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1416015808 592421 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i not really convinced rule 30 or whatever is turing complete < 1416015814 827400 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a simple explanation of why it is < 1416015917 166592 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp, I wonder how I couldl write a program to find that term without prior knowledge of it? < 1416015927 363818 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that isn't really doable < 1416015937 86088 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the short Y combinator < 1416016036 184634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1416016045 215631 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416016132 233650 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: int-e has such a program; ask him < 1416016147 83626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I don't think there's any proof rule 30 is TC < 1416016150 878787 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seem s very hard to proof < 1416016156 67854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wolfram believes it is because it looks complex < 1416016167 974723 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.78.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it;s rule 110 isn't it? < 1416016188 246785 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.78.157 NICK :AndoDaan < 1416016199 404709 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_110 < 1416016206 49502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks kinda like rule 110 and rule 110 is TC :p < 1416016439 775307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except rule 30 is reversible < 1416016457 834720 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this snail? turing complete < 1416016458 815438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 30 "" < 1416016460 305978 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "11110" < 1416016481 753972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which 110 isn't < 1416016516 611604 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversible turing machine wold be cool < 1416016538 943415 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo reversible thermodynamics < 1416016558 584420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: those exist. also, see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Reversible_Brainfuck < 1416016643 935132 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand that < 1416016668 572886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part < 1416016672 124303 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you implement normal BF using reversible BF < 1416016682 435151 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it storing state in between the cells < 1416016689 471898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416016696 428715 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does anyone know anything funny i can do with a 2×40 terminal < 1416016761 841836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: see the Tape Layout table (i made that) < 1416016770 164761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*layout < 1416016781 872182 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1416016836 215993 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you can turn play a very narrow tetris where no piece can be rotated:( < 1416016878 786138 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant rule 110 though < 1416016900 857765 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the polynomial overhead accepted? < 1416016932 238292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: rule 110 works by implementing a cyclic tag machine with colliding "gliders" < 1416016955 782035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this part has polynomial overhead. < 1416016969 871256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the setup is an infinite pattern) < 1416016989 800408 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :steup too < 1416016992 67980 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :setup too < 1416017001 314462 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I just being too strict? < 1416017003 921411 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like this wrong < 1416017032 802887 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not rejecting the proof just don't really understand how it relates to the claim that it's TC < 1416017052 276185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: it is dubious in a way, tc-ness only makes _complete_ sense if you are looking at finite setup and output. < 1416017060 248443 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can simulate a cyclic tag machine if I encode it in this particular way into rule 110 < 1416017077 716511 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1416017079 527092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's proof for the 2,3 turing machine has the same problem, only slightly worse < 1416017080 756322 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of what I feel < 1416017094 510290 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthese are great results < 1416017095 532215 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1416017098 923136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the setup repeating though < 1416017106 160703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for 110 yes < 1416017112 133515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not too bad < 1416017138 218132 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't doubt these ARE TC < 1416017154 762009 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. that it can be done with a finite setup < 1416017163 531550 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there a reason to think that's not possible? < 1416017184 851750 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais is pretty smart and he couldn't figure it, how about that < 1416017214 936672 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's finite information in the initial setup, right? so like whatever man. < 1416017221 635776 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: QED < 1416017260 276687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well you really want a finite _output_ too, which is hard because these CA's create intrinsically growing patterns < 1416017286 520474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but with 2,3 it requires actual computation, the initial pattern is non-repeating < 1416017294 181190 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember < 1416017301 18910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the limit this is obviously cheating (if the required computation was TC) < 1416017317 410601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fix that parenthical to be more pedantically worded < 1416017350 506951 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we're not in the limit < 1416017369 9190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have infinite setup, it becomes really subtle whether your real computation takes place in the setup or afterward < 1416017389 359513 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even a meaningful distinction? imo there are no boundaries anywhere, man < 1416017402 361555 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416017404 547527 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good point < 1416017409 277937 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :who even are we? < 1416017416 127694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm not talking about CAs specifically < 1416017416 398851 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could determine when computation is occuring through some rigorous physical measure, like watching waste heat < 1416017419 483517 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this plan has no flaws < 1416017420 873026 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: me neither < 1416017426 830877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, presumably you don't want to consider the identity function turing complete < 1416017429 766791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think you may be high < 1416017433 323363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is if you prepare its initial state with a universal turing machine < 1416017500 191707 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a 1D CA has some initial state: an n-bit string (any natural number n) < 1416017503 247430 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean how formalizable is the idea of a computer, really? how do you compare lambda calculus and a turing machine? you can emulate one in the other, great, but i can emulate a turing machine with toilet paper and crayons < 1416017507 267513 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bla bla bla < 1416017516 440407 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess there is already a question of termination < 1416017517 651597 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway annoying thing about CAs, nobody told me they were used in fluid dynamics < 1416017525 864812 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get output? < 1416017567 678612 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: toilet paper and crayons is TPC, this is differnet than TC < 1416017577 316663 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get output out of a computer? you pick some time after your computation is running and say "okay, this is the output" < 1416017609 942164 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need more lattice gas automata < 1416017625 386026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :toilet paper complete?? < 1416017630 700464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1416017635 998124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: i think for rule 110 you can basically search each generation's state with a regexp to see if it has the "i am finished" tag < 1416017660 74200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: isn't the initial state always infinite? < 1416017666 340174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just often it's all 0s outside of a finite area < 1416017672 231733 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my personal satisfaction, initial state should be finite < 1416017678 618671 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1416017682 464846 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the initial state has finite support" < 1416017687 946021 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1416017691 375779 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on. go full real analysis. i dare you < 1416017723 955188 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :homework: design a computing formalism that works when the initial state has arbitrary entropy everywhere but a finite area?? < 1416017734 747611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall once classifying the ways rule 110 could grow (leftwards, it never grows rightwards) into an infinite region of 0's. so i'm not so sure that you _cannot_ make it tc even with finite support. < 1416017738 494039 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think i should eat a calzone for dinner tonight < 1416017749 642367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(initially. it will grow infinitely nevertheless.) < 1416017770 983786 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should just study 1D ca more and not try to shoehorn the kind of computation it does do into the 'TC' framework < 1416017810 579018 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could study.... lattice gases < 1416017822 276565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need some way of doing glider guns to get the effect of the infinite setup while having only finite support at the start < 1416017836 129096 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ooh < 1416017841 833171 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1416017849 192429 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone worked that out it'd be worth a publication I think < 1416017859 513346 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasses < 1416017860 992632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better i stay out of it then < 1416017862 889424 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gassssses < 1416017911 350312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my underload minimization attempts basically halted when ais523 said it might be publishable >:) < 1416017926 38484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well i already found the minimum) < 1416017962 271797 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416018069 345860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway annoying thing about CAs, nobody told me they were used in fluid dynamics <-- have you heard about terence tao's idea that one might theoretically prove navier-stokes (millennium problem) to blowup by embedding something like CA computation in ideal fluids < 1416018162 849038 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416018173 579783 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately for me tao's blog is incomprehensible < 1416018174 828720 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a cool idea < 1416018185 774469 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :tao is good at explaining things in a simple way... < 1416018190 962029 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluid dynamics is also incomprehensible, but i'm working on it < 1416018245 450583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : homework: design a computing formalism that works when the initial state has arbitrary entropy everywhere but a finite area?? <-- i recall that there's an obvious prood that in a symmetric CA you cannot create a pattern that can expand into arbitrary chaos, namely just put a competing version of the pattern somewhere out there < 1416018253 453611 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The story is told of many giants of modern physics, but most plausibly of Heisenberg, that, on his death-bed, he remarked that the two great unsolved problems were reconciling quantum mechanics and general relativity, and turbulence. "Now, I'm optimistic about gravity..." » < 1416018286 431128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I guess the CA equivalent of TC would be, like, 110-complete? < 1416018293 103539 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1416018298 478462 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good idea < 1416018308 470910 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :show that one CA is possible to simulate all the others < 1416018308 655031 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that would figure, yeah. < 1416018315 838313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, that's a better definition. < 1416018325 704088 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i wonder if you can make that into the fluctuation theorem somehow! < 1416018330 538844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still might involve infinite initial states and not-completely-trivial encodings though... < 1416018334 184703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have to worry about halting < 1416018340 403167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proof < 1416018347 137340 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meta interpreter for game of life is so cooooool < 1416018363 542828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metacell thing? yeah! < 1416018496 946140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I used Lua for the first time < 1416018501 738902 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule for CA simulation: initial state must be START CELL(C[0]) MID CELL(C[1]) MID ... STOP each of these is finite and CELL is a function that takes takes a 0 or 1 < 1416018504 642377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in the past 24 hours definition of "today" < 1416018587 377063 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times: installing awesomewm, installing a lua browser, crashing lua browser which brings down awesome somehow < 1416018659 52938 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416018662 841122 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting for guidance re: calzones < 1416018722 820213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :un calzone per favore, and then you'll have some more < 1416018766 378046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a game < 1416018794 43146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you don't need our guidance, it's all baked in hth < 1416018812 434072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is this like when I used to get you to tell me when to go to bed? :p < 1416018835 200451 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's like whne i ask about fucking calzones! < 1416018839 321573 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i don't think this is hard < 1416018868 557499 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever go to bed btw < 1416018909 63917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. never. < 1416018921 511533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've eaten calzone a few times hth < 1416018928 604723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had calzone once or twice < 1416018959 592134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i cannot help getting the feeling "why are you folding the pizza?" < 1416018959 776383 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds terrible < 1416018966 266683 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the not sleeping and the not calzoning < 1416018999 650806 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you degreasing? < 1416019010 301716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's degaussing < 1416019029 344396 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fancy some calzone now < 1416019043 310083 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should go to a dodgy takeaway and get some < 1416019073 135462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :la calzone nostra < 1416019309 104865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me dmm isn't always careful when queueing these http://www.mezzacotta.net/postcard/ < 1416019423 794366 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416020069 977745 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you call a rocket intended to observe quantum mechanical effects in outer space? < 1416020084 913003 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rocket < 1416020105 979263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for the pun
< 1416020138 158204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No pun, but I'm considering building something like that in Second Life < 1416020153 912252 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still exists? < 1416020170 239512 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally estimated that it would take 7 days before completing its mission, but considering that I'm predicting the latter half to be sped up beyond the normal SL speed limit... < 1416020194 853424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or it dies half a week before I'm expecting it to < 1416020238 791753 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Rule 90 automaton (in its equivalent form on one of the two independent subsets of alternating cells) was investigated in the early 1970s, in an attempt to gain additional insight into Gilbreath's conjecture on the differences of consecutive prime numbers < 1416020285 498422 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :"every six steps of the Rule 22 automaton simulate a single step of the Rule 90 automaton" < 1416020344 148243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 90 "" < 1416020345 586688 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1011010" < 1416020369 159404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 22 "" < 1416020370 560671 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : "10110" < 1416020423 789940 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::mem::transmute is really convenient when playing with floats < 1416020562 369285 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah :D < 1416020572 309679 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparnelty Wang of Wang-tiles proves that 2-cyclic tag machines are TC < 1416020883 737125 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I could just get 70 million meters in the sky, that would allow for a dramatic test of my theories < 1416020892 435957 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it would be much higher < 1416021028 119274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I was briefly terrified and confused before I realised you were talking about second life < 1416021143 328836 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :second life has quantum physics? < 1416021252 531885 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second Life has floating point numbers in its physics. Floating point numbers have quantums that increase as the numbers get larger. Therefore, Second Life has quantum physics. < 1416021726 598627 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1416021801 772558 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey my assembler treats '\0' as meaning '0', sweet < 1416021830 364531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "nonuniform planck length explorer" ;) < 1416021847 475384 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NPLE? < 1416021886 700622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there, now you have a suggestion for the name of your rocket, now you can shoot it down by thinking of something better. < 1416021900 272728 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering why my professor would put '\0' instead of just zero, and i have learned the answer: no fucking reason < 1416021962 305603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\cargo{cult} < 1416022041 202525 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he actually ran this code, unless he wanted it to display 0Hello world0Hello wor < 1416022109 158740 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, nerds, does anyone know why terminal control sequences start with [? < 1416022127 200444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^[[ is easy to type? < 1416022157 371501 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, i can almost believe that's the reason < 1416022220 801895 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, apparently ^[[ is equivalent to a one eight-bit control character in C1 < 1416022266 278201 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which nobody uses, so that's great < 1416022365 199554 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone help me understand cyclic tag machine < 1416022400 435059 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia seems pretty straightforward < 1416022411 86738 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatchu havin problem with < 1416022417 366390 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : Initial word: baa < 1416022417 550209 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : acca < 1416022420 837966 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the a go < 1416022453 491976 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. That seems wrong. < 1416022480 57964 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you going off of? Wikipedia and esolang both would seem to say that's not how it works. < 1416022487 139660 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean acca is the product from baa < 1416022606 978087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: note the m here: "t(S) is the result of deleting the leftmost m symbols of S and appending the word P(x) on the right." ... in the example, m=2. < 1416022626 11697 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill try to implement this so i can undersatnd it < 1416022627 802296 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1416022690 448197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: that's a tag system, but not a _cyclic_ tag system. those are different. < 1416022707 464847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a 2-tag system, whereas tag systems are 1-tag systems < 1416022726 38432 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( this is so confusing < 1416022727 957922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence the m) < 1416022732 30156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: *cyclic tag systems < 1416022755 690980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no. < 1416022772 54623 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tag system is a deterministic computational model published by Emil Leon Post in 1943 as a simple form of Post canonical system < 1416022845 648208 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416022878 462799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um yes. < 1416022900 385930 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1416022909 527993 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(height of comedy) < 1416022968 142427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: or rather, ordinary 1-tag systems are uninteresting because not tc, or at least not proven so < 1416022968 326572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The Wikipedia article introduces tag systems, m-tag-systems (where tag systems arise as a special case by taking m=1), and then cyclic tag systems. < 1416022977 849758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure what you're trying to correct. < 1416022989 602615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... let me check that. < 1416023017 758840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also introduces cyclic tag systems further down in the article < 1416023059 450429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1416023063 460786 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im confused about all this < 1416023070 961479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, actually they say that m is implicit, with no default. < 1416023072 661802 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaeh it's all bullshit < 1416023088 303173 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still there's no cyclicity there at all. < 1416023112 208191 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416023121 500132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so there was something to correct, but your suggestion made it more wrong < 1416023148 649679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1416023187 68846 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01343730#page-2 < 1416023203 60598 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_i : s_i --> E_i, i = 1, .., n < 1416023240 401182 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the first symbol of a string is s_i then the first beta symbols are removed and E_i is appended at the end < 1416023254 699541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: the confusing thing here is that cook/wolfram changed the definition of tag systems because it was easier to make a pattern of gliders deal with single bits one at a time < 1416023293 966433 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the alphabet contains m symbols then n <= m < 1416023296 255027 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's odd < 1416023299 787055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was easy to change the gliders used from one step to the next since they're all part of the infinite setup. < 1416023334 636579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easy once you have found useable gliders in the first place) < 1416023367 289177 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: love the use of \beta without saying what it is first. < 1416023400 149073 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only is it not say first, but not said second either < 1416023411 437911 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I have no idea what beta is < 1416023412 364264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monogenic"?! < 1416023430 101173 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\beta seems to be the 'm' from wikipedia's article. < 1416023433 236383 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: is it sane to have a function called 'puts' that also works for terminal control sequences? i don't know if C puts does < 1416023460 742821 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess maybe < 1416023474 535973 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so hard < 1416023495 449981 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess beta is just a fixed constant < 1416023528 642530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. a positive integer < 1416023548 894011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no \0s in terminal control sequences are there? < 1416023574 363161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't that all puts demands < 1416023639 680160 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically this whole area is a confusing nightmare < 1416023645 935477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts does append a newline though... < 1416023670 734472 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess i'm not doing that < 1416023684 129622 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0612089 < 1416023685 164156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: um no, just a bit unfortunate naming, a cyclic tag system is not a tag system, but analogous to one < 1416023689 848657 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is more like fputs then < 1416023771 25873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1416023855 460048 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they barring symbols? beforelemma 1 < 1416023897 44306 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.78.157 QUIT : < 1416023987 246339 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't understand this < 1416024037 937399 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1416024080 636082 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1416024170 395932 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6107#files-area < 1416024172 381011 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416024231 352858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: those are 7 different variants each of 0 and 1: barred, dotted, barred with underset 1, possibly dotted, and plain with underset 2. ... ouch. < 1416024290 176829 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1416024305 489982 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found an explanatio of tag system which makes sense < 1416024442 21368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Lemma 1 is correct, but the Proof requires some doodling on paper to believe. < 1416024533 859292 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416024547 965882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key is that the x -> \epsilon rules delete pairs of characters, so you're left with \bar x_1 \dot\bar x_1 (and then x_2) if l is even or \dot \bar x_1 if l is odd. < 1416024566 259203 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah! < 1416024665 224999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's confusing because 'w' does not match the encoding of words introduced in the preceding paragraph. < 1416025174 816754 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/114334 < 1416025176 387439 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made this < 1416025200 228032 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should create a format so people can make .tag files for it to run < 1416025302 380411 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a programming challenge to #esoteric < 1416025332 399953 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a program which finds a fixed point combinator for SK combintors (or some language like that) < 1416025340 729810 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard... < 1416025432 213609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... http://sprunge.us/TRPL < 1416025470 311301 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declare int-e the winner < 1416025511 454691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have missed the earlier discussion on the topic < 1416025538 495442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1416025539 984110 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and i wrote a program to try this yesterday but it didnt wokr < 1416025588 666873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about 5 1/2 hours ago) < 1416025687 87406 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of those output are fixed point combinators? < 1416025758 253022 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is a proper one; the last three work in a Böhm tree model (and Scott topology, I presume); they have the property that M f unfolds to f (f (f (f (f ...)))) < 1416025775 528425 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416025818 561337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the program is unable to verify this.) < 1416025899 210890 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why you'd use tag systems for a CA with diagonal gliders < 1416025905 413690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones with [3] belong in the "unknown" category (where I think it's quite a safe bet that none of them are fixed point combinators, but there's no proof.) < 1416025920 558850 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really interesting, I wonder what they are! < 1416025925 967708 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should convert them to lambda terms < 1416026017 857525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is the difference between the proper and bohm tree model ones that M f isn't f (M f) but f (M' f) where M' f is f (M'' f) and so on? < 1416026046 221021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a fixed point combinator to me, since the Ms are essentially "implementation details"? < 1416026047 488781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, the shape of the combinator changes. < 1416026055 939164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there's no way to observe the difference as f, right? < 1416026084 165051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but the resulting limiting infinite tree (that's the Böhm tree) is the same < 1416026097 269257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right. < 1416026097 453220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1416026222 553752 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what tool i can use to investigate a lambda term < 1416026361 307443 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting that you can encode turing machines into tag systems < 1416026371 831297 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's an easier way to show them TC < 1416026473 715000 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/40300/simulate-a-cyclic-tag-system < 1416026632 856193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are so short... < 1416026763 146166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the first one is (\y f. y f y) (\f y. f (y f y)) < 1416026787 935102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods. (was that meant to be for vanila?)
< 1416026805 367264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1416026820 479616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a random nick selector.
< 1416026837 721916 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a y combinator to me! < 1416026842 8639 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very nice one too < 1416026869 144046 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://labs.orezdnu.org/lambda/ i foun d this which lets you manually reduce lambda terms < 1416027333 555096 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot damn is terminfo organized alpahbetically < 1416027388 781472 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the bot turn unlambda into lambda? < 1416027574 228652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: that would violate the second law of thermodynamics :p < 1416027601 589106 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1416028024 523267 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/114335 < 1416028030 931212 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are the terms then < 1416028415 966899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the ones that are conjecturally not fixed point combinators < 1416028457 881742 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah mi interested in those < 1416028465 3858 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :if theyre not fixed poits they must be something weird and cool < 1416028645 543166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: they could just be f (f (f (f (f (f _|_))))) or the like < 1416028659 581400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, less nesting probably < 1416028700 549813 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard to reduce it < 1416028710 989264 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried in the javascript program but if you make a mistake it gets loads bigger < 1416029156 848108 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416029662 62948 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.90.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416029685 856542 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.88.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416029722 877679 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1416029817 199483 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1416030336 658764 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.90.187 QUIT : < 1416030465 969199 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416031036 106256 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :update: i ate a calzone anyway. it was kind of a lot so i feel a bit sick but i'm sure i'll pull through, no thanks to you jerks < 1416031189 470348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :our uncertainty was meant to represent the idea of you eating half a calzone! < 1416034335 990463 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1416035082 52271 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1416036529 88630 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416037788 480970 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made something that works very poorly http://orteil.dashnet.org/randomgen/?gen=http://mdude1350.webs.com/generators/random-code/IBNIZ-simple-generator.txt < 1416037843 769022 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, it's not Windows. < 1416038179 238456 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416038179 459179 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1416039282 633124 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416039450 72433 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416040102 468244 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.66.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416040381 105036 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1416041303 62861 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1416041843 389930 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aitajwciuypttcwo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1416042071 807028 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cxbkqtcsrlybnifc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1416042386 489098 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416042777 798438 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416042850 367104 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream: IBNIZ! IBNIZ is rad. < 1416043279 266921 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to ahve some problems generating, though. < 1416043315 473218 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think however the generator code works might be expecting something special from question marks. < 1416043610 280706 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone interested in my slightly unusual approach to 99 bottles in Haskell? http://lpaste.net/2310281802079535104 < 1416043792 787364 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1416043844 73142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is such an abuse of show :) < 1416043878 280113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, technically you want toTitle there, but...) < 1416044037 165693 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyuszika7h: I actually did laugh out loud. :D < 1416046208 541569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1416048163 186264 :S1!~S1@p4FF93487.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416048580 700367 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.66.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416048610 861888 :S1!~S1@p4FF93487.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1416048626 233911 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416049804 226585 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416049889 893262 :fungot!~fungot@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1416050048 574235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Still feeling all right? < 1416050049 59620 :fungot!~fungot@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so the source is encoded in some meta language. to do what you want the suspend button to suspend or hibernate? granted, it's easy to implement all fingerprints in cfunge. < 1416052206 908706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on weekends is so relaxing. < 1416053130 325499 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416053950 411842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Does blsqbot need sha1? < 1416053950 595786 :fungot!~fungot@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1416053973 55236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why not? < 1416053973 353392 :fungot!~fungot@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's defined as a function? can't you use alien? beings) < 1416053985 826165 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if aliens know what sha1 is. < 1416054243 247150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're probably stuck with MD5 still. < 1416054595 521567 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HASH CHICKEN < 1416054746 17376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot means that it should be using sha-2 or sha-3, obviously. < 1416054746 201507 :fungot!~fungot@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there you go :d, say how you want to < 1416054756 191160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you tell 'em < 1416054756 433990 :fungot!~fungot@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: im even fnord. browse like that into the, syntax is discussed half as much mem < 1416054946 441822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lousy MD5 aliens. < 1416054987 818113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn MD5 is a hash algorithm mainly used by underdeveloped aliens. < 1416054989 575620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'md5': MD5 is a hash algorithm mainly used by underdeveloped aliens. < 1416055038 952285 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1416055367 668397 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416055423 320295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damnit I have no headphones < 1416055431 761615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looks like nobody's here anyway. < 1416055433 296870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*music* < 1416055682 591739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there are new "assisted suicides" debates flaming on. < 1416055756 350115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see the point in debating that though < 1416055764 490657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much obvious anyway < 1416055781 519131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the end of the spectrum you have the religious people who are against it for religious reasons < 1416055806 803032 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in the middle of the spectrum are regular people who have never been in the situation of thinking about suicide and think suicide is bad no matter what circumstances < 1416055823 599492 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the other end of the spectrum are those who say "who want's to do it shall be able to" < 1416055855 567658 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they should be debating about is whether the state/government has the right to keep a person alive against the person's will. < 1416055923 754982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then there are people who think all people thinking about suicide can be treated and healed) < 1416055998 120251 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056068 802440 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when people argue for themselves rather than for the state/government < 1416056084 840953 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056085 25112 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056164 815115 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056165 346274 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056204 829950 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056205 51292 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056227 393795 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pixbdjtbemraildb JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056294 843686 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056295 97124 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056520 695850 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056520 899059 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056601 738423 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056601 940596 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056641 477649 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056641 661506 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056681 427099 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056681 647512 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056691 411809 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056691 595822 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056721 450816 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416056721 634924 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1416056760 420635 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416057194 583489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[java.lang.RuntimeException](java.sql.SQLException: [SQLITE_MISUSE] Library used incorrectly (not an error)) < 1416057198 75475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1416057501 399921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1416058475 459313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :git can't handle multiple * in gitignore patterns? < 1416058539 944583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1416059198 158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my (admittedly small) tests, those worked just fine. < 1416059211 912301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Didn't test any interaction with ** though.) < 1416059242 875325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/sandboxes/sandbox_*/gen/* doesn't seem to work < 1416059285 321121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried http://sprunge.us/VPKe and it properly ignored a/b/c/foo and foo.baz.bar.quux but not the other two files. < 1416059322 782909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it added bar and foo? < 1416059346 434916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1416059370 656415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me test something < 1416059377 250412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It added a/b/c/bar and foo.bar.baz.quux, neither of which match the ignore patterns. < 1416059444 396608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose you remember that * doesn't match a /.) < 1416059600 432792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1416059601 149494 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1416059629 607257 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1416059708 291753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's what ** is for.) < 1416059955 333680 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish to know whether gcc is inlining certain function calls. How should I go about this? < 1416060062 790888 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Have you tried -Winline < 1416060095 869448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using -Winline will warn when a function marked inline could not be substituted, and will give the reason for the failure. < 1416060112 994197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this should tell you what it DIDN'T inline < 1416060133 705209 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :objdump -dlx a.out < 1416060138 925455 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I want to use inline, I’d have to transfer the functions to the header file I think. < 1416060147 164315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes < 1416060155 2241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work with linking < 1416060171 712595 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m specifying -flto both times. < 1416060171 896692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC doesn't cross-module optimizations afaik < 1416060180 888538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike ghc which does exactly that) < 1416060228 807045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. didn't know gcc hat lto < 1416060233 712935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had < 1416060274 31302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know that ghc favors optimization over binary compatibility :) < 1416060597 154379 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, looks like it inlined two of three and the code for the remaining one looks larger than expected. < 1416060625 254327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GCC can even do partial inlining? < 1416060808 416127 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it also gained a numerical suffix. < 1416060831 889082 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC even copies the same functions to different locations < 1416060850 950929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an awesome thing to do actually < 1416060884 495414 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the .2536 suffix on this function means. < 1416060884 719160 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416060908 594871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it guarantees that the function is in the instruction cache < 1416060970 854924 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that was some other compiler < 1416061039 223353 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416061113 970752 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, no, looks like I was wrong, it didn’t inline them after all. < 1416061193 32463 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll have to move them to the header and specify inline, I guess. < 1416061457 424330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no guarantee gcc will inline your functions btw < 1416061493 193079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you use __attribute__((always_inline)) ) < 1416061587 539153 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know much about gcc optimizations :( < 1416061607 675483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know that __builtin_expect makes a hell of a difference if used correctly < 1416061686 529975 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :With __builtin_expect my emulator suddently executed 10 MIPS more than without < 1416061696 818227 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, two of these are functions to index a C array, so they consist of a single small C statement. Since these are bindings, they each get called from one other function which gets called a bunch of times. < 1416061950 801043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how gcc implements atomic stuff on CPUs that don't have LOCK prefixes and the like < 1416061973 136792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't think gcc even targets more esoteric CPUs :D < 1416062080 410514 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In software, as usual < 1416062376 139839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is usually just CLI; do stuff; STI < 1416062386 262186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of other choices there I think < 1416062581 148325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which won't work for exceptions actually < 1416062742 140242 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AndoDaan you could write a MNNBFSL interpreter in Burlesque . < 1416062742 381018 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1416062817 816841 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreters in Burlesque for Esolangs: Brainfuck (doesn't support output), Deadfish < 1416062907 566220 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1416063032 22045 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and trivially Burlesque since there's eval) < 1416063053 549690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'5 5.+\'pe"pe < 1416063053 855220 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 10 < 1416063096 525702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\\5'\\'\'pe"pe < 1416063096 747619 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | '" < 1416063096 931835 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (\5)! < 1416063105 380945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\5'\\'\'pe"pe < 1416063105 615988 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | '" < 1416063105 799752 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Unknown command: (\5)! < 1416063108 178182 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1416063120 241243 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\'pe" < 1416063120 457441 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "\"\"pe" < 1416063123 56723 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\'pe"Q < 1416063123 336947 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ""pe < 1416063130 668754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\'\'pe\'pe"Q < 1416063130 882139 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | """pe"pe < 1416063139 42067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\'5\'pe\'pe"Q < 1416063139 283014 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ""5"pe"pe < 1416063144 867489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\'5\'pe\'pe" < 1416063145 115503 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "\"\"5\"pe\"pe" < 1416063149 184594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\'5\'pe\'pe"pe < 1416063149 441260 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments! < 1416063149 625275 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (ps) Invalid arguments! < 1416063149 625380 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 5 < 1416063158 244873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\'5\'pe\'pe"psQ < 1416063158 477997 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ["", 5, "pe", pe] < 1416063166 756089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks wrong < 1416063177 42204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\\'5\\'pe\'pe"psQ < 1416063177 281318 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ["\"5\"pe", pe] < 1416063182 522285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\\'5\\'pe\'pe"pe < 1416063182 791930 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 5 < 1416063212 819753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'\\'\\\\'5\\\\'pe\\'pe\'pe"pe < 1416063213 54627 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 5 < 1416063266 955737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: \' escapes " btw. < 1416063272 194576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure where that's documented. < 1416063276 368079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it even is documented < 1416063478 729371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'" < 1416063478 982704 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | "\"" < 1416063486 739998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will be printed as \", not as \' < 1416063494 283174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\"" < 1416063494 512617 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 5): < 1416063494 696392 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input < 1416063494 696636 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | expecting "\"" < 1416063500 172116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crafty. < 1416063508 536792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 4334ud[] < 1416063508 795048 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: ([[) Invalid arguments! < 1416063508 978931 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 4334 < 1416063508 979058 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: Burlesque: (ud) Invalid arguments! < 1416063513 689319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 4334{ud[] < 1416063513 973078 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ERROR: (line 1, column 10): < 1416063514 157278 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | unexpected end of input < 1416063514 157406 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | expecting "%", "g", "s", "S", "m{", "q", "{", "\"", "-", digit, "'", "(", "y" or "}" < 1416063531 330926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that it can now display more lines :) < 1416063622 872282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq '' < 1416063623 418484 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | '' < 1416063633 493072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ''Q < 1416063633 816750 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ' < 1416063635 905274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq '"Q < 1416063636 122187 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | " < 1416063638 420932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq '\Q < 1416063638 681293 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | \ < 1416063647 737340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :' doesn't require any escaping < 1416063660 651053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ' L[ < 1416063660 886303 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 'a < 1416063664 259145 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ' ** < 1416063664 498893 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 32 < 1416063674 698039 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ''** < 1416063674 934849 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | 39 < 1416063713 675113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10L[ < 1416063713 913449 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | ' < 1416063714 117956 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1416063736 549135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^- that's a newline char) < 1416063836 807050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1 0?/ < 1416063837 52638 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | That line gave me an error < 1416063979 600446 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I gotta go places. Not college, but places. < 1416064961 236508 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416065054 386579 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416065216 387625 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416065568 118987 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416065773 972569 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.0 PART :#esoteric < 1416065791 19908 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416066124 324419 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1416066416 887097 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1416066531 637490 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.73.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416067438 555983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so strange < 1416067463 199893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Mac (classic) emulator only works when running under strace or gdb < 1416067470 368764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it just locks up at startup < 1416067505 257853 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :which emulatOR? < 1416067525 35032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepshaver < 1416067547 500302 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepshaver is the most broken thing :/// < 1416067569 53925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, no kidding, are there any alternatives? < 1416067571 745667 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :( idnotknow any others) < 1416067571 994616 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:21: error: expected: "!!", < 1416067572 179303 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", < 1416067572 179438 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "***", "+", "++", "-", "->", < 1416067572 179513 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".", "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", < 1416067572 179588 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "::", ":::", ":=", "<", "<$",14↵… < 1416067573 612666 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1416067604 13644 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, Anyway BasiliskII has the same issue < 1416067604 965455 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i really wnat to emulate powermac :/ < 1416067627 376849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, anyway it doesn't run all the games I want. < 1416067645 201879 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely slow and painful but classic macs run in mess, minivmac might be better for non powr mac but it's very odd not sure how to even run it < 1416067705 555511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, mess? < 1416067729 124555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it related to mame? < 1416067731 544731 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416067742 305651 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its too slow now but one day might be good < 1416067770 977562 :olls!~olls@178.62.98.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416067783 862653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, Right, I want to play Escape Velocity Override. < 1416067800 348563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that isn't doing 30+ FPS it isn't going to play well < 1416067821 143360 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a TC for ev nova that might let you run that on an older version of mac os x < 1416067836 67454 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be easier to emulate that or run it on real hardware depending on what you have < 1416067857 808552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC? < 1416067867 254646 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :total conversion - it is official too < 1416067871 398410 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I never played nova, I wonder if it was any good < 1416067876 203794 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really good < 1416067921 50165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, Oh? Okay, so how do I emulate OS X? And where do I find EV Nova these days < 1416067952 503766 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know, i've never done this but it's just an idea that might be another way to do this < 1416068075 978114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, I do have an old first model iBook I can use. However, the battery is dead and the power connector is glitchy. Thus if you don't keep the computer perfectly still, the power is going to cut out < 1416068129 683825 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shame :( if you can repair that , I think it's the best bet < 1416068137 107287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how < 1416068220 166240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really good at doing that sort of stuff. Anyway, bbl, food is ready < 1416068341 868580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PearPC, OS X and the classic thing in it. (Not very likely to be any good.) < 1416068572 505138 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EV Nova was also available for Windows apparenty, and supports the same mods to run the first two games. < 1416068614 442852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can buy it for $30 from Ambrosia's web-store. < 1416068785 194713 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:8871:823d:6653:4155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416069318 929579 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sounds like a race condition . < 1416069336 313137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gbd has the property of making race conditions suddenly not buggy anymore < 1416069378 45616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1ng < 1416069378 248218 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | -1 < 1416069510 216609 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1}1+] < 1416069511 199370 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1 1} < 1416069513 792498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1}2+] < 1416069514 22446 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {2 1} < 1416069516 523620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1}2[+ < 1416069516 737742 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : | {1 2} < 1416069867 726177 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1416069896 509014 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1416069964 112821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) 10rzziq?*m^ < 1416069965 166128 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100} < 1416069968 944944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally blsq has this < 1416070081 783554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (<) [1,2,3,4] < 1416070083 130031 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Bool) < 1416070083 314391 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a00:d880:3:1::623f:813d PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal ‘1’ < 1416070654 229358 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {1 5 9 10 2 3 1 0}0{.>}LO < 1416070655 183705 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1 5 9 10} < 1416070661 533476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that. But I have no name for that one yet. < 1416070691 81577 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {1 5 9 10 2 3 1 0 99}0{.>}LO < 1416070691 800382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1 5 9 10 99} < 1416070704 263399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gives you a sequence of larger getting numbers in a list. < 1416070727 109986 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deletion sort < 1416070745 926189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq ) {1 5 9 10 2 3 1 0 99}100{.<}LO < 1416070746 862068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1 0} < 1416070991 171410 :fungot!~fungot@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1416071121 225727 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1416071281 807791 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1416071360 305404 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1416071546 630932 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1416071584 590722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Running after fungot < 1416071666 374695 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1416072228 793196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : EV Nova was also available for Windows apparenty, and supports the same mods to run the first two games. <-- ooh < 1416072250 716349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 30 USD for that old of a game is a bit of a stretch though :/ < 1416072348 930612 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: sounds like a race condition. <-- well strace too, but that use ptrace as well. Anyway, this program used to work, on this computer, on an earlier Ubuntu version < 1416072821 78758 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416072888 3777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not exactly a bargain price. < 1416073150 897844 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@2602:30a:c021:220:8871:823d:6653:4155 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416073159 966417 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh. < 1416073408 561635 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1416073472 873565 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION found a very nice bit of code for an infix code-block operator in Racket, which is sadly not licensed. Debating bribing the author ...
< 1416073503 140925 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see? < 1416073522 791689 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://artyom.me/learning-racket-2 < 1416073539 398425 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round about the end of the first section. < 1416073555 487425 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, “define” is too long. Why not use def instead? < 1416073557 517456 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1416073565 182754 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. :D < 1416073577 492696 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heresy actually does use def. < 1416073607 636534 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a bad page < 1416073610 418 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And while I love scheme/racket wordy function names, they can get a bit tedious (or would if I had to write nearly as much code as in other languages to do anything) < 1416073668 649447 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1416073675 951286 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :his : macro is so clever it's making me annoyed < 1416074001 756281 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416074140 419818 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I know, right? < 1416074158 61322 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've looked at some other libs and things for it, and none are have as clever or simple. < 1416074742 938717 :NATT_SiM!~tlewkow@172-2-16-34.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416075270 511214 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416075528 961291 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1416076425 280170 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0 < 1416076666 400760 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :SHIKHIN < 1416076706 33640 :SHIKHIN!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin > 1416077285 937727 JOIN :#esoteric > 1416077290 81459 JOIN :#esoteric > 1416077290 599168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1416077322 731942 JOIN :#esoteric > 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1416078040 348581 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1416078041 91000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1416078043 686451 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416078063 507818 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1416078155 7588 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.71.205 NICK :AndoDaan < 1416078313 617667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1416078378 714942 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1416078448 612407 :Bike_!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1416079260 107855 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT's weird to me how BASIC has so few predicate functions. < 1416079357 411314 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416079384 298520 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:9464:a873:a659:97df JOIN :#esoteric < 1416079525 11214 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:_Paul!~Paul@p5B0F5F97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats up dawgs < 1416080636 326991 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi] < 1416080641 356555 :_Paul!~Paul@p5B0F5F97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey nilla < 1416080648 635842 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to implement unlambda < 1416080654 320563 :_Paul!~Paul@p5B0F5F97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds greart < 1416081125 929536 :scounder!~scounder@phroa.lost.the.game.rikairchy.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416081332 956382 :NotJoel!561bf85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.27.248.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1416081427 584159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1416081429 973101 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda ``r`ci``s`k`c``s``s`ksk`kr.* < 1416081435 18223 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :,unlambda < 1416081476 646842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda `r`ci``s`k`c``s``s`ksk`kr.* < 1416081478 28631 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1416081485 360032 :_Paul!~Paul@p5B0F5F97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1416081489 193776 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intepreter fails on this program < 1416081520 566876 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's the c's < 1416081524 81292 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implement C wrong < 1416081590 768949 :nyuszika7h_!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416081604 887689 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Killed (sinisalo.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1416081605 45913 :nyuszika7h_!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net NICK :nyuszika7h < 1416081619 268630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416081641 157104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1416081650 527116 :viznut_!viznut@lowfidelity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1416081752 130496 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unlambda ``r`cd`.*`cd < 1416081752 493169 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ * \ ** \ *** \ **** \ ***** \ ****** \ ******* \ ******** \ ********* \ ********** \ *********** \ ************ \ ************* \ ************** \ *************** \ **************** \ ***************** \ ****************** \ ******************* \ ******************** \ ********************* \ ********************** \ *********************** \ ************************ \ ************************* \ ************************** < 1416081759 419132 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is very good < 1416081847 434896 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1416081872 419613 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:9464:a873:a659:97df QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1416081873 533884 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.madore.org/pub/madore/unlambda/CUAN/fibo.unl < 1416081876 440692 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really believe this program < 1416081883 995713 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1416081896 83916 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :a continuation? :/ < 1416081908 230048 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many extraneous features does this language have < 1416081918 686706 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416081919 464930 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416081920 355940 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pixbdjtbemraildb QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416081924 81489 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416081927 749077 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416081930 480181 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1416081932 460664 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416081979 90085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: that's just metanotation < 1416082012 887640 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.madore.org/pub/madore/unlambda/CUAN/pattern.unl < 1416082015 391875 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant run this either :/ < 1416082019 892079 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i run it but nithing happens < 1416082027 131084 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-myldztbrgvubnemn JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082032 531871 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082049 173512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you stripping comments? < 1416082052 692141 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416082073 27493 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.madore.org/pub/madore/unlambda/CUAN/prime_numbers.unl I have to support c if i want to run this.. but i dont know how to :( < 1416082077 353002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't use c or d at least < 1416082090 30494 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082090 182995 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082159 540707 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizzie < 1416082168 151075 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416082183 303596 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082183 625470 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i emit CPS terms i can < 1416082193 175631 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416082200 118692 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416082200 327931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416082204 484329 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/114354 so far < 1416082208 844556 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is wrong < 1416082261 260268 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416082266 891009 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082308 174814 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416082334 540867 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416082343 801717 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082490 86932 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1416082508 955032 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you rewrite this in cps < 1416082515 22790 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter itself, i mean < 1416082522 620125 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1416082562 301061 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082592 140045 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1416082646 464131 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.193 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1416082652 347837 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.188 NICK :AndoDaan < 1416083240 245500 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/114354 < 1416083251 975415 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i changed it to CPS but not sure how to fix c case still < 1416083340 956859 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mixed up parameter order in definition of c but even corrected it s not right < 1416083372 730425 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1416083375 781294 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i fixd it fully now < 1416083377 431846 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, this is the same paste as before < 1416083381 116889 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good! i guess! < 1416083398 895916 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/114355 < 1416083522 323894 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `dF function takes an argument Y and evaluates F, giving a function X, and returns the evaluation of `XY. < 1416083530 417647 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :now triangles works but I still can't run primes < 1416083537 81408 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't implement d < 1416083551 561179 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really understand it < 1416083573 561894 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it look like in lambda calculus? < 1416083591 549134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: `dX doesn't evaluate X < 1416083595 58821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite unlambda being otherwise strict < 1416083609 735498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, `dF doesn't evaluate F rather < 1416083613 496815 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dF = (lambda (y) (let ((x f)) (x y)) ? < 1416083614 59728 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dF: not found < 1416083625 984776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1416083633 721780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's memoised < 1416083635 331818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1416083638 715896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are some subtleties... < 1416083659 79284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan would work < 1416083662 589966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: note that you have to be able to do, like < 1416083665 310390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :``idF < 1416083665 849664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `idF: not found < 1416083673 25150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't just do d syntactically < 1416083678 417034 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1416083678 993654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also be passed as a parameter or whatever < 1416083680 929424 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like d < 1416083691 207710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do d < 1416083701 358890 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.madore.org/pub/madore/unlambda/CUAN/prime_numbers.unl < 1416083705 90076 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy *** thos uses a LOT of d < 1416083738 176549 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.madore.org/pub/madore/unlambda/CUAN/quine/ < 1416083738 748573 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1416083745 782316 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more quines in unlambda than there are any other programs < 1416083830 240780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen oerjan's self-interpreter? < 1416083864 582593 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.madore.org/pub/madore/unlambda/CUAN/unlambda_interpreter.unl < 1416083865 991432 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this it? < 1416083900 238251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/interpreter.unl < 1416083909 450607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe yours is the same thing but with fewer comments, I don't know < 1416083921 663633 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow his code looks really nice < 1416083924 549741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 1 2 8 < 1416083935 583890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2^(n(n-1)/2).[1,1,2,8,64,1024,32768,2097152,268435456,68719476736,3518437208... < 1416083944 837825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a nice character table < 1416083948 339999 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that is not the sequence I have < 1416083956 178757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that one you linked can't be complete because it doesn't < 1416083961 230536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next element is > 2E24 < 1416083982 616859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I mean ? < 1416084019 704482 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I'm doing is stupid, though < 1416084032 668192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/ has an unlambda compiler < 1416084037 330894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's hard to properly compile because of d though < 1416084044 170955 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :d is mean < 1416084085 151251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess it's essentially just call-by-name (or -need?), but... < 1416084405 126144 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1416084626 60233 :olls!~olls@178.62.98.205 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1416084932 441085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well fuck sheepshaver, I was trying to use a browser in it. That crashes sheepshaver < 1416084946 985609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both Netscape Navigator and Internet Explorer 5 < 1416084958 694546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, ^ < 1416085407 825857 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416085486 633299 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1416085495 342493 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepshaver is so weird howitwants you to identity map low memory area < 1416085505 355749 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you explicitly cant do that for security reasons... < 1416085509 912701 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its dodgy that they want it < 1416085523 49380 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course its something weird to do with how the emulatorworks butstill < 1416085526 212635 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont ilk eit < 1416085528 68073 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416085533 950400 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wishthere was good info about how to emulate powermac < 1416085535 910854 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems impossible < 1416085543 145762 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least without being a hardware RE exper < 1416085543 773804 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1416085551 593373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila, your spacebar is partially broken < 1416085635 876592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used SheepShaver "succesfully". < 1416085652 830327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yes, for a short while < 1416085692 140329 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416085713 859411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably easiest to just buy an old mac off ebay < 1416085720 766070 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1416085748 730645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a working Famicom now. Wheee.
< 1416085751 924308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: is it for security? I thought it was to just make sure *NULL segfaults < 1416085769 303984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or repair the power connector of my old first model ibook < 1416085797 328493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to vanila too < 1416085800 313482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seen ais recently? < 1416085801 844409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1416085823 43776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always qemu-system-ppc too. < 1416085825 201821 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416085828 603403 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that kernel data must live there < 1416085886 545888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought an old ppc mac off the-Finnish-version-of-eBay (and then sold it again). < 1416085901 243717 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416085925 422228 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Allowing processes to map low values increases the security implications of a class of defects known as "kernel NULL pointer dereference" defects' < 1416085940 115752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: less than two months ago < 1416085945 909402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-09-24 < 1416085946 318503 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was more to it than that, but I guess it's just what you said < 1416085949 927059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you keep logs? :p < 1416085959 353023 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416085959 732131 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais was here yesterday < 1416085967 602809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1416085968 638022 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to talk to zzo < 1416085981 278238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yeah he's just been using different nicks < 1416085997 592229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I guess that's getting the kernel to dereference a NULL pointer unwittingly? < 1416086002 59230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it panics or something? < 1416086010 932995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1416086033 205815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is the gist about the 0-page protection yes < 1416086036 375111 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1416086153 642329 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.188 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1416086186 200774 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-44-103.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1416087033 192021 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to design a simple lambda language to practice writing a compiler < 1416087067 437343 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to design it, I thought about giving it simple types and data type definitions, but work.. :/ < 1416087069 614055 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1416087306 820138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: do you want a compiler specifically, not an interpreter or something? < 1416087583 914801 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1416087849 318979 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1416088104 652049 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416088172 201603 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: I'd recommend checking out Build Your own LISP: http://buildyourownlisp.com/ < 1416088208 651624 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric < 1416088270 370258 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1416089978 247891 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1416090092 835507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I ought to learn OpenCL or something < 1416090157 278963 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp in small pieces < 1416090161 674524 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a good book < 1416090331 551906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chapter 1. The opening parenthesis. < 1416090475 267849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys, the GPGPU framework, not the lisp < 1416090522 114418 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i was talking in reference to paul2520's earlier recommendation < 1416090523 659397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there... isn't a lisp called OpenCL, as far as I know < 1416090529 570968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys was replying to vanila < 1416090534 325160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1416090534 594186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 152220Z AUTO 06007KT 020V100 9999 -SHRA FEW050 BKN060 12/07 Q0998 < 1416090537 759362 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416090559 579169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally someone would write an open-source common lisp implementation that runs on GPUs called OpenCL for maximum confusion < 1416090693 544209 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find lisp in small pieces hard < 1416090704 32641 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it is < 1416090705 758699 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the denotational semantics. < 1416090708 279800 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice and deep though < 1416090728 354551 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have experience with weird japanese text encodings < 1416091060 777922 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i call my lambda calculus language < 1416091066 357546 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure, no mutation < 1416091127 205727 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eel < 1416091136 665047 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1416091139 432917 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fat Calculus < 1416091229 443264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I was fiddling with things, enabled https:// for esolangs.org (at least experimentally). < 1416091233 18941 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416091251 26974 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok mobileirc is awful < 1416091294 500505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice! < 1416091310 248659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Next, a Gopher interface. < 1416091328 731265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw we really need a new featured language < 1416091342 446821 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote whatever vanila's doing < 1416091369 2304 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batch < 1416091380 319693 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jk < 1416091386 27585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub, is that you < 1416091391 562178 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would help to make a gopher version of esolangs < 1416091397 529045 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a nice idea < 1416091399 549624 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :read only < 1416091409 775951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice overkill RSA key < 1416091414 509292 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone make an app or something < 1416091447 968447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does startcom not have an SHA-2 intermediate cert? < 1416091453 97839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1416091455 830277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1416091471 373730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have SSL3 enabled < 1416091477 267286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*v3 < 1416091500 859855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS < 1416091522 773639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's offering like 3DES and stuff right now :p < 1416091522 946900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I copied the zem.fi SSL/TLS settings from there. < 1416091525 543145 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ zsync http://esolangs.org/dump/esolang.xml.zsync < 1416091529 439561 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this up to date < 1416091545 273632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see about fixing the esolangs nginx config too. < 1416091550 46773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's updated recently though, since poodle < 1416091554 276226 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if i managed to get this as a gopher will it be hosted? < 1416091556 499352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess 3DES is actually only disabled on the "modern" one there, sigh < 1416091587 921363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also it looks like you're on an old openssl < 1416091611 230992 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL about zsync. seems useful < 1416091618 482975 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks vanila < 1416091619 96759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, vanila. Thanila. < 1416091627 457174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least SSL labs claims you have exploitable CVE-2014-0224 (?!) and no TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV (but just disabling SSLv3 is better) < 1416091660 904508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't really been keeping the rest of the server updated (it's kind of outside the scope of my mandate), but I guess I could install security updates from the repository, at least. < 1416091679 708557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Gregor cares about that server :p < 1416091719 495509 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :any thoughts about gopher < 1416091732 233590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do gopher over TLS < 1416091739 258882 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1416091739 867429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure zzo38 would approve of gopher access < 1416091750 652573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all of this is kind of irrelevant without HSTS of course, but presumably that comes after < 1416091798 915766 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1416091799 127879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more like a MediaWiki extension that'd host a live Gopher (read) view, not a snapshot. < 1416091802 636207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there is one. < 1416091806 646063 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like zzo's gopher page < 1416091812 878235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like the kind of thing someone would have written, but perhaps not. < 1416091825 822505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If there is, it's probably horrible.) < 1416091836 175018 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was thinking of writing such a converter so that it could be hosted with a normal gopher server < 1416091908 198912 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. Why is Google telling me that AIM may harm my browsing experience? < 1416091933 392053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about how Gopher servers deal with dynamic content, but if they do, it could query the live pages via the MediaWiki API, of course. < 1416091987 456884 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1416091992 572726 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds better because it's up to date < 1416091996 138156 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its harder too < 1416092046 154216 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a new Python compiler that can still loop in JavaScript++ < 1416092087 218865 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas < 1416092152 300388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully the wiki has been replaced by a 502 Bad Gateway page so it's really easy to make a gopher version < 1416092210 799967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude had stalled in the middle of a PHP update, because it wanted to ask me a question. < 1416092224 239943 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1416092243 160428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the wiki was vulnerable to shellshock because of these upgrade practices :p < 1416092262 725450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1416092263 544703 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-26-148.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1416092274 975409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still 502 Bad Gateway even after finishing. Curious. < 1416092290 816080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe php-fpm didn't restart properly or something < 1416092326 390257 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it's still a bad gateway < 1416092360 338457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"connect() to unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock failed (13: Permission denied)" < 1416092403 876642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. "*tl;dr* It's complicated." < 1416092450 539481 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, gopher seems pretty simple < 1416092476 730328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the default listen.mode for the socket has been changed from 0666 to 0660. < 1416092499 19344 :Ethereal_!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1416092510 848841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be back in business. < 1416092528 466713 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check < 1416092546 985571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If not, then that's tough luck, since I'll be away for a few minutes.) < 1416092547 139780 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1416092573 500679 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works < 1416092685 777299 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Unreliable past is a weird name for a language < 1416092687 787529 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have to parse XML and then translate mediawiki syntax to gopher... < 1416092691 692931 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems too hard :( < 1416092755 13225 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"translate mediawiki syntax to gopher"? < 1416092759 153851 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1416092792 447598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, you don't seem to have forward secrecy(? maybe? SSL Labs says something about "with some browsers" but also that it doesn't work with their "reference browsers".) < 1416092960 350250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know why it would be saying that... < 1416092996 299018 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need more money for a new VPN but .. I need this money for the fobs < 1416093015 949295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's using ECDHE for me < 1416093073 454228 :Ethereal_!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 QUIT :Quit: I Burnt my food < 1416093164 317384 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing new Pidgin even though Pidgin keeps dying. Maybe someone's attacking me :/. Even if not and it's just Pidgin sucking majorly, why keep running insecure stuff < 1416093227 659511 :vanila!~user@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sory i dont think I will do this < 1416093485 841946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it saying that because some non-DH configurations are accepted? Like AES256-SHA... < 1416093528 375161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I guess. it would be weird to say that there's no PFS with "reference browsers" if those reference browsers can't do DH, but I guess maybe they can and just don't negotiate it with the current settings? < 1416093538 978910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://sprunge.us/PMYV ) < 1416093541 821021 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5: error: expected: "!!", < 1416093542 44239 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", < 1416093542 187520 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "***", "+", "++", "-", "->", < 1416093542 187653 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".", "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", < 1416093542 187731 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-168-187.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "::", ":::", ":=", "<", "<$",14↵… < 1416093548 150014 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: sorry. < 1416093574 479503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the cipher configuration is a mess. < 1416093601 643405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely 90% of those combinations have no right to exist? < 1416093602 760952 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken debuggers: the best or the bestest < 1416093622 649285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://forum.startcom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15742 SHA-2 intermediate certificates exist, happily < 1416093661 716300 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U.S. xabber or jappix if you are looking for an xmpp client < 1416093668 403517 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use• < 1416094168 761516 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb < 1416094181 139302 :Primal!4c1c9516@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.28.149.22 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1416094199 987719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Crafty. All the links in their instructions pointed at the SHA-1 hashed versions. < 1416094240 320162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think you understand. TLS is meant to be painful. < 1416094388 422663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally you're welcome to give me root if that would be less annoying than me bothering you about this :p < 1416094441 354451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The size of the prime number p constrains the size of the pre-master key PMS, because of the modulo operation. A smaller prime almost means weaker values of A and B, which could leak the secret values X and Y. Thus, the prime p should not be smaller than the size of the RSA private key." < 1416094511 980982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the DH parameter thing.) < 1416094542 386038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the problem is you have a 4096-bit RSA key? < 1416094546 967448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1416094558 477932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :openssl dhparam 4096 actually said, and I quote, "This is going to take a long time". < 1416094571 607342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4096 bits probably isn't buying you anything but a very slight slowdown for a year-long key if you have PFS anyway < 1416094602 737454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I can't switch it to anything shorter until the certificate expires. < 1416094606 997099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1416094623 136917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :certificates are such a mess < 1416094689 27924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait, what is it doing right now then? < 1416094703 302693 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:9464:a873:a659:97df JOIN :#esoteric < 1416094808 558954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I didn't configure a DH parameter file. Maybe it didn't advertise any EDH ciphers? < 1416094834 440551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"openssl dhparam" has now filled one screen with .s and +s. < 1416094845 985571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "The connection is encrypted and authenticated using AES_128_GCM and uses ECDHE_RSA as the key exchange mechanism.", fwiw. < 1416094852 657117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1416094881 19148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it finished, anyway, so I'll give it the generated parameters. < 1416094890 980331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope these aren't as slow to use as they are to generate. < 1416094963 257184 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw JOIN :#esoteric < 1416095016 618485 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cookies I've burned them < 1416095216 947535 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1416095316 59703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I believe you can fix the SHA-2 thing without getting a new certificate, since that part isn't signed, by the way < 1416095367 298567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, that should be fixed now. < 1416095390 66608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ssllabs test says overall A (subscores 100, 95, 100, 90). < 1416095402 911481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, cache was getting in the way < 1416095450 308442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Forward Secrecy: Yes (with most browsers) ROBUST" now too. < 1416095463 412287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't enable OCSP stapling, because the nginx version was too old for that. < 1416095494 440479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And didn't toggle on HSTS yet either, since, well. The canonical address is still the http:// one, anyway. < 1416095500 283010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think probably nobody cares about OCSP stapling < 1416095507 786404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I don't think anyone does revocation checking right now? < 1416095518 668444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, and I was just typing: thanks for the great work! ok, now how long until I can bug you to make it official and add preloaded HSTS? :p < 1416095538 814910 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.. I know a guy who still does < 1416095543 894100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why mozilla's cipher configuration includes CAMELLIA suites. < 1416095549 662908 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1416095556 652938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird japanese clients, maybe? < 1416095557 978056 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize that dwarf had turned into my pet < 1416095591 927982 :Dulnes!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-godtcamkranvwsqw PRIVMSG #esoteric :palemoon and waterfox are nice to play with < 1416095620 261060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you need to do to get A+ < 1416095635 136166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe it checks HSTS < 1416095670 175031 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the book was coated with contact poison!" < 1416095671 84430 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1416095697 323594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :InvalidCo: that's one of the failure to read effects < 1416095701 550301 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1416095705 501458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also only got 90 in the "cipher strength" category, possibly because I went with the "intermediate" list. < 1416095721 961113 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently was trying to read the spellbook of cancellation < 1416095736 243488 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this isn't nethack < 1416095736 895490 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1416095738 88585 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1416095748 526279 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/net/#net/ < 1416095772 758933 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to happen regularly < 1416095847 369602 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the intro comp media class as georgia tech involves the entire class writing programs in Chef < 1416095858 66600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, going with the modern one would be nice but would rule out firefoxes older than feb 2014, chromes older than sep 2012, IEs older than oct 2013, opera older than july 2013, safaris older than june 2013, etc. < 1416095864 209401 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sitting across from the poor sap who has to grade them < 1416095864 433491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't a great combination with https-only < 1416095888 634688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still... why camellia? < 1416095891 397058 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1416095899 725532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should figure out why they have that in there. < 1416095959 611159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Let's see if the 'pert adds DNSSEC glue too. (I asked them to update the nameserver list -- switching VPSes -- and added a postscript about optionally doing that. For the one person with a DNSSEC resolver. And of course those whose DNS it will break as a collateral damage due to overly long DNS replies or whatnot.) < 1416095974 519898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the, uh, 'pert? oh. < 1416095978 893780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: huh what... < 1416095982 552291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: will you support DANE??? < 1416095986 20195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chef? < 1416095990 457367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole half a person would benefit from that