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My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. 01:03:22 those quotes are terrible 01:09:07 -!- Bicyclidine has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:10:41 Person who keeps endorsing me for stuff on LinkedIn just endorsed me for PHP 01:10:52 Now I'm certain they're just clicking endorse all the time 01:10:56 Or whatever 01:11:04 copumpkin endorsed me for PHP as a joke. 01:11:07 -!- Bicyclidine has joined. 01:11:14 :) 01:11:56 copumpkin: if i get a php job i'll blame you 01:12:20 hah okay I'll keep that in mind :) 01:34:43 * oerjan swats FireFly for linking to an arxiv pdf instead of the abstract page -----### 01:35:04 -!- Bicyclidine has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:35:11 (which would have been http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.2832 hth) 01:35:42 wow is that all it takes 01:36:14 for FireFly, yes 01:36:31 he has special swatter attraction powers 01:36:47 (also, you _should_ always link to the abstract hth) 01:38:32 http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/01/17/207546.1-lg.jpg hth 01:43:12 * oerjan swats shachaf -----### 01:43:24 only because it took me far too long to get it 01:43:56 -!- HackEgo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:49:49 I don't get it 01:58:54 Make up more kind of pokemon cards, including SUPER IMPOSTER PROFESSOR OAK and RANDOM ENERGY and so on. 01:59:58 What does SUPER IMPOSTER PROFESSOR OAK do? 02:00:10 And is it the same as IMPOSTER SUPER PROFESSOR OAK? 02:00:19 (Make up that kind of card too.) 02:00:22 Opponent can draw ten cards, I suppose, instead of just seven. 02:00:56 (Sort of like how SUPER POTION can remove two damage and SUPER ENERGY REMOVAL can remove two opponent's energy cards.) 02:01:14 I don't know how Pokémon cards work. 02:01:54 -!- MoALTz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:03:01 -!- MoALTz has joined. 02:03:34 (Actually SUPER POTION remove four damage; the normal POTION can take out just one damage) 02:04:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:04:48 oerjan: probably a good idea, but I saw a link to the pdf elsewhere 02:05:57 zzo38: potion heals 20hp 02:06:09 That is, two damage counters 02:10:09 Sgeo: he didn't link to the abstract, but 02:11:08 "fill in here" 02:11:10 i get it 02:11:10 FireFly: Yes, two damage counters. I know that; I just made a second mistake somehow, I don't know why 02:11:29 um PUN UNINTENDED 02:15:49 -!- coppro_ has joined. 02:16:03 -!- coppro has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:16:37 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 02:17:11 -!- coppro_ has changed nick to coppro. 02:19:32 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:30:28 -!- shikhout has joined. 02:32:53 -!- yiyus_ has joined. 02:33:02 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 02:33:27 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:33:50 -!- viznut_ has joined. 02:36:43 -!- yiyus has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:36:43 -!- viznut has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:36:43 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:57:53 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 02:58:28 -!- CADD has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 03:09:32 -!- MoALTz has joined. 03:12:06 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:12:57 zzo38: did you ever play Waving Hands 03:13:14 quintopia: I have read about it 03:14:34 i want to find a way to play online (not email) 03:15:38 -!- bb010g has joined. 03:17:48 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:22:52 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:22:56 Did my message get through? 03:23:05 no 03:24:42 Does F# have the weird method/function distinction Scala has where methods can do all sorts of things except be first class? 03:35:44 * Sgeo installs Visual Studio Community 03:37:58 -!- S1 has quit (Quit: S1). 03:40:49 > map(map length.group)$replicateM 4[True,False] -- so wrong 03:40:50 [[4],[3,1],[2,1,1],[2,2],[1,1,2],[1,1,1,1],[1,2,1],[1,3],[1,3],[1,2,1],[1,1,... 03:45:00 -!- gammaplexer has joined. 03:45:14 I love gammaplex! 03:45:26 -!- gammaplexer has quit (Client Quit). 03:45:49 -!- gammaplexer has joined. 03:46:11 -!- gammaplexer has quit (Client Quit). 03:46:49 me too 03:47:28 Sgeo: is that scala thing due to the way the bitcode works? 03:47:49 coppro: no idea 04:03:00 -!- adu has joined. 04:08:07 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 04:09:12 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 04:09:29 -!- monotone_ has joined. 04:09:53 -!- coppro_ has joined. 04:12:03 -!- coppro has quit (Disconnected by services). 04:12:06 -!- coppro_ has changed nick to coppro. 04:12:31 -!- erdic_ has joined. 04:12:36 -!- Vorpal_ has joined. 04:12:37 -!- Vorpal_ has quit (Changing host). 04:12:37 -!- Vorpal_ has joined. 04:12:38 -!- InvalidC1 has joined. 04:12:40 -!- conehead has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:42 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:43 -!- monotone has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:47 -!- yiyus_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:48 -!- scounder has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:53 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:56 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:56 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:56 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:58 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:12:58 -!- InvalidCo has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 04:13:05 -!- shikhout has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:13:06 -!- yiyus has joined. 04:13:35 -!- erdic_ has changed nick to erdic. 04:13:50 -!- conehead has joined. 04:14:08 -!- ion has joined. 04:14:19 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:27:14 -!- Sgeo has joined. 04:43:34 -!- scounder has joined. 04:52:24 Why does the AI in Pokemon Card GB2 use FULL HEAL ENERGY so badly? Just now, while their active pokemon card was confused, they instead attached it to a bench pokemon card which requires only electric energy for its attacks. 04:52:32 (That card could not evolve, either.) 04:57:02 [wiki] [[ATZ]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40913&oldid=40907 * Thatguy25252525 * (+157) 04:57:22 [wiki] [[ATZ]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40914&oldid=40913 * Thatguy25252525 * (+1) 05:11:11 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:12:29 zzo38: AI was pretty bad in the first one too, and actively cheated. Never played GB2 though, didn't read Japanese. 05:13:15 Yes, although in the new one it is even worse; they run out of cards too often. 05:13:56 (First one also had no FULL HEAL ENERGY card.) 05:16:20 [wiki] [[ATZ]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40915&oldid=40914 * Thatguy25252525 * (+0) 05:16:35 But maybe even the AI for cheating is bad. 05:23:09 I am not sure. 05:23:16 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:25:07 -!- vanila has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:25:24 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 06:05:19 zzo38: why don't you write your own AI for it. i bet you could make one that doesn't suck 06:10:17 quintopia: I am not so good at writing AI 06:16:53 what? 06:19:03 -!- DTSCode has changed nick to dTSCode. 06:40:13 nyuszika7h: What what? 06:41:14 00:33:11 whoa, nyuszika7h has been here before? <-- yeah, I was here before, though I don't seem to remember that quote :P 06:55:22 -!- dTSCode has changed nick to DTSCode. 07:01:20 -!- InvalidC1 has changed nick to InvalidCo. 07:27:10 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 07:31:10 -!- centrinia has joined. 08:04:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:05:23 [wiki] [[Talk:Portal 2]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40916 * Rdebath * (+357) /* Is this proven TC ? */ new section 08:15:17 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 08:17:34 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:18:08 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:18:35 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:37:14 pff. 08:37:20 Skill-project.org has a limit on children? 08:43:01 how am I supposed to add thousands of programming languages then . 08:47:33 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Luser droog * New user account 08:52:24 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:03:15 Bike: oh, now that dual space thing makes sense to me 09:11:08 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 09:23:25 http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/11/12/wearable-power-assist-device-goes-on-sale-in-japan/ 09:29:23 [wiki] [[Inca]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40917 * Luser droog * (+2104) apl-based ascii language 09:39:27 http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2007/1227.html 09:42:13 -!- S1 has joined. 10:11:18 is there anything i should read if i want to do lexing on languages with 2 (or more) dimensions? 10:15:44 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:17:16 -!- erdic has joined. 10:18:06 -!- clog has joined. 10:21:35 myname: to create tokens? 10:22:10 well, i guess it have to be a graph, but basically yes 10:22:18 yes 10:22:27 but it depends if you can do arbitrary jumps to 2D locations or not 10:22:52 if you can just branch upwards/downwards/left/right I use branches in graphs 10:24:20 http://codepad.org/Um7WWfsN <- like that 10:24:34 that way compilation is not that inconvenient 10:24:40 if you have arbitrary jumps to locations 10:24:57 compilation is very not so cenvenient anymore 10:30:42 i know, i already did that 10:31:17 the point is, i want to write about it and would like to read other stuff if available 10:34:54 "How do you organize a space party?" "You planet." Gah, these emails have oerjan-level puns. 10:46:20 -!- S1 has changed nick to S0. 10:46:53 -!- S1 has joined. 11:01:45 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 11:04:26 -!- myname has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:04:27 -!- FreeFull has joined. 11:04:57 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:05:23 -!- myname has joined. 11:11:58 yaaaay for the endless recycling of the print keyword. 11:12:55 hm? 11:13:19 * J_Arcane is dealing with a name clash decision. 11:13:35 I have to decide which style of 'printing' Heresy's PRINT actually stands for. 11:13:49 oh 11:13:56 like print "foo" 11:14:00 if it should produce foo or "foo" 11:14:06 > print "foo" 11:14:07 11:14:12 oh. right. 11:14:21 lambdabot does that 11:14:28 BASIC just has PRINT, which roughly corresponds to how display works in Racket. But Racet also has print and write, both of which are pretty important. 11:14:46 mroman: Exactly. eg. file:///C:/Program%20Files/Racket/doc/guide/read-write.html?q=input 11:14:55 Whoops, forgot, local webdocs. 11:14:57 well 11:15:03 just give me access to your computer please ;) 11:15:31 http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/read-write.html 11:15:35 Yeah. 11:15:38 That one. 11:16:06 lol 11:16:18 actually, basic also has PRINT and WRITE 11:16:22 at least some variants of basic 11:16:26 and it also has PRINT USING 11:16:35 -!- boily has joined. 11:16:45 but WRITE is usally to file? 11:16:48 I forgot PRINT USING, though WRITE is a file I/O command usually isn't it? 11:16:57 basic WRITE prints strings double-quoted so it's easier to read back, 11:17:04 or was that a different command? 11:17:05 no wait 11:17:15 there's _four_ write commands, three of which can work to both stdout adn file 11:17:19 one is PRINT whcih prints normally, 11:17:30 one prints strings double-quoted so its' easier to read back 11:17:44 PRINT USING prints with formatting, 11:18:27 and there's one that prints fixed fields which works a bit magically: it involves preparing a buffer with another command such that some strings point _into_ that field and you must not reallocate them but only assign their contents with LSET, and then the command just writes the buffer 11:18:50 but I'm not sure whcih of these two other commands is WRITE and what's the other one called 11:19:43 three of these can be used pritning to stdout, or to a filehandle like PRINT#3,FOO where #3 is the file descriptor number, or to the line printer like LPRINT 11:19:56 and of course this all depends on the variant of basic 11:22:28 ECMA Standard BASIC has READ as well. XD 11:23:04 QBasic has PRINT, PRINT USING (to screen or file), LPRINT, LPRINT USING (to printer in LPT1), WRITE (to screen or file). 11:24:05 And the strange PUT. 11:24:17 But that's only to file, I think. 11:25:15 Oh weird, PRINT USING in ECMA is basically PRINTF, instead of like defining an output port. 11:25:29 You can PUT any variable, not just the (LSET/RSET) random-access buffer. 11:25:58 And it's a two line statement ... 11:27:53 And confusingly enough, READ does not (arguably) do any I/O, since it only reads values specified by DATA statements. 11:28:09 PRINT USING is always like printf, but with different directives 11:28:11 what else would it be? 11:30:05 I don't recall ever learning that use case, and I don't think older MS BASICs had it. 11:30:36 In ECMA it's a two statement pair: PRINT USING values, then IMAGE string-templat. 11:34:21 That's the trouble with BASIC, there never really was a standard anyone actually followed. MS was almost more standard than ANSI or ECMA, it's what most followed. 11:39:33 J_Arcane: I believe GWBASIC has PRINT USING too 11:43:58 i once read the basic standard and it was full of mind-boggling stuff i never saw implemented anywhere 11:45:44 "let" was mandatory but iirc there was also another alternative for "let" that could be used for defining vectors 11:48:58 alternative for LET? like DIM or some other keyword for declaring variables, or SET for assigning object identify, or READ? 11:49:17 mandatory LET is implemented in some basics of course 11:49:29 Yes. The standards define a MAT keyword that's used for defining all kinds of stuff to do with arrays. 11:49:37 hmm 11:49:38 There's even a MAT INPUT in ECMA. 11:49:51 well, there's so many basics that it's hard to be sure about "not implemented anywhere" 11:50:13 Yeah. There are a few standards compliant implementations but they were never particularly popular I don't think. 11:51:00 that could be because BASIC is or was popular not because it's a good language, but because it came with some personal computers, or bundled as a macro language into some programs (think of WordBasic, Visual Basic, and CorelScript) 11:51:32 I mean, BASIC was a not too insane language back when it was created, because it was small enough and easy to learn 11:51:48 microcomputer implementations were dominated by microsoft that defined things in its own way 11:51:56 Yeah. IT was easy to write and implement for certain kinds of computers, and was relatively easy to 'get'; it's hyper imperative code at its core, which in a weird way makes it easy to follow until programs get large. 11:52:11 even if a microcomputer basic wasn't actually from microsoft it was usually modelled after ms-basic 11:53:39 and basic was popular in early microcomputers not only because of microsoft but also because the pioneers had often used a time-shared mainframe basic in university/college 11:54:11 b_jonas: Yeah; in its original form it was just for solving simple algebra problems, it was often the first language or only language new students were exposed to, because they'd use it for math classes and such. 12:06:18 nowadays they use fortran . 12:08:13 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:10:16 -!- S1 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:11:07 @massages? 12:11:07 Sorry, no messages today. 12:12:01 No massage for you, sir 12:16:03 -!- S1 has joined. 12:30:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:33:39 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TOADY CHICKEN). 12:36:18 -!- S1 has quit (Quit: S1). 12:36:36 -!- S0 has changed nick to S1. 12:42:13 Part of me thinks I should just say fuck it and stick to a saner mapping direct to Lisp, PRINT = PRINT, INPUT = READ, though that does mean that Heresy would thus have an IEPD (input-eval-print-doloop).. 12:44:19 Improvised explosive printing device. 12:46:24 I actually haven't decided on the loop conventions yet either. It's a functional dialect, so a lot of them are worthless. 12:47:58 J_Arcane: what are you making? 12:48:42 b_jonas: to practice macros and teach myself better FP/Lisp fundamentals, I'm implementing a LISP/BASIC hybrid lang called Heresy. 12:48:57 I see 12:49:29 Mostly for the novelty, but it could be an interesting tool for getting BASIC programmers into trying Lisp. 12:51:56 Still on notes and tinkering stage now, but I think I'll have enough to write a draft definition of the core language soon. 12:52:31 that's one niche usecase 12:52:35 J_Arcane: um, how does that want to work? BASIC-like syntax with more functions, including statements turned to functions, or lisp-like syntax 12:52:39 ? 12:52:50 what kind of scoping? 12:53:12 It's mostly LISP syntax, with BASIC keywords and extra sugar. 12:55:43 I'm aiming to do this as a Racket #lang module, so a lot of stuff is 'for free'. 12:56:46 I'm sure BASIC programmers will either say one of these two things 12:56:56 a.) Too many parantheses. 12:57:15 b.) Where's Console.Out.WriteLine 12:57:22 Heh heh. 12:57:33 hm. Console.WriteLine actually 12:57:46 Well, I'm shooting less for the VB crowd than the FreeBASIC heads; there's actually some Lisp curiosity in that crowd. :D 12:58:08 It's been a long time since my VB.NET days 12:58:09 FB has TCO now, and a couple different Lisp implementations, one of them embeddable. 12:58:20 I stayed the hell away from VB. XD 12:58:39 It's a beautiful language once you learn to hate and love it at the same time. 12:59:03 fwiw it has all the features you need to program ;) 12:59:03 hehe 13:00:11 mroman: such as the way to shell out to a real program? 13:00:49 Sure. 13:00:57 .NET has that. 13:01:18 right. so you can just write your program in (your favourite language) and then run it 13:01:37 Sure. 13:01:53 But calling a VB.NET program inside a VB.NET program sounds pretty useless. 13:02:24 Dim fungot As Bot 13:02:24 mroman: fair enough. if she knew she'd just rest. :p 13:02:44 J_Arcane: see, and here my associations are, like, QBASIC 13:02:56 ReDim fungot As Human 13:02:57 mroman: shall we proceed? 13:03:01 VB and FreeBASIC and all that are so... depressingly capable 13:03:02 yes. we shall. 13:03:41 elliott: Yeah, I grew up on MS and QBASIC. 13:03:48 Does VB allow to define casts? 13:04:16 FORI=1TO16:FUNGOT(I)=0:NEXTI 13:04:31 [wiki] [[Container]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40918&oldid=40912 * 177.193.194.37 * (-45) /* Execution */ 13:04:38 to define what? 13:04:47 hm. it does 13:04:51 but you have to use CType 13:05:38 b_jonas: Public Shared Narrowing Operator CType(...) 13:05:51 or Public Shared Widening Operator CType... 13:06:17 Ia ia Ballmer ftagn? 13:06:52 mroman: I don't understand what that means 13:07:00 It defines a cast 13:07:17 or "Conversion Operator" if you're more familiar with that terminology 13:07:19 elliott: FreeBASIC is, strictly speaking, still a QB at heart, just one that was introduced to real programmers at some point who started wanting it to actually be useful agian. ;) 13:07:33 There's even recursive macros in FreeBASIC now apparently. 13:07:46 J_Arcane: let me guess, it has ghastly OOP extensions :) 13:07:47 i.e. if you create a data structure you can define a cast from string to your data structure 13:07:50 and stuff like that 13:08:05 like 13:08:11 elliott: I'm not sure, but possibly, it does have partial C++ lib support. 13:08:23 Brainfuckprogram prog = (Brainfuckprogram)"+++."; 13:08:26 if it were C# 13:08:34 And user-defined Types. O_o 13:08:41 I think QBASIC has structs... 13:08:42 VB has prog = CType("+++.", Brainfuckprogram) 13:09:01 maybe not 13:09:16 I don't think MS got structs until VB 13:09:16 mroman: ok 13:09:36 ok, let me dig up fizzie's qbasic manual 13:10:03 mroman: so can you also do like `dim prog as brainfuckprogram : prog = "+++."' 13:10:04 ? 13:10:10 yes 13:10:15 you can define implicit casts 13:10:15 ok 13:10:30 J_Arcane: it does: http://gamma.zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html#QEw4MDg3 13:10:37 and does it let automatically cast as you pass an argument to a function that requires a particular type? 13:10:39 J_Arcane: just nobody used them. or procedures, for that matter. :p 13:10:49 yeah, I never knew about them. 13:10:54 b_jonas: it should with implicit casts yes 13:11:09 great] 13:11:18 think of all the great things you can do with this 13:11:21 Probably a 4.5 or 7 feature; most people only used the QB 1.1 that came with DOS 13:11:33 (VB uses narrowing/widening as keywords, C# uses explicit/implicit as keywords) 13:11:39 http://gamma.zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html#QEw4MDIz you could even do things like this 13:11:57 hmm, I thought fizzie's manual was some old version 13:12:14 Fast program execution Use a Basic compiler (such as Microsoft 13:12:14 Visual Basic for MS-DOS) to translate your 13:12:14 Basic code into native machine code. 13:12:16 visual basic for ms-dos... 13:12:43 (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z5z9kes2.aspx) 13:12:57 also VB uses Shared for "static" 13:13:06 elliott: Hmm, yeah, Guess it must be, because it lacks switches for command line compliation, and has /EDITOR. 13:13:36 I think it was basically just that nobody knew or cared about the fancier stuff it has 13:13:40 Does anyone plan on porting .NET to MS-DOS? 13:13:47 so everyone remembers it as being goto global soup hell 13:14:12 like, "Line numbers, a concept often associated with BASIC, are supported for compatibility, but are not considered good form, having been replaced by descriptive line labels.[1]" ha ha 13:14:21 elliott: Yeah, it was always a weird hybrid thing, and the typing system in particular could be pretty hairy if you engaged with it responsibly. 13:14:36 mostly it's so slow. 13:14:42 like jaw-droppingly slow. 13:14:45 I didn't even use line labels after a very short time. 13:14:55 I was in looove with the IDE for subroutines. 13:15:06 you filthy structured programmer. 13:16:21 mroman: isn't "SHARED" for global variables and "STATIC" for static? 13:16:46 elliott: Honestly, if I refactored out some of my old code from the MS BASIC days it would look pretty similar. I tended to prefer GOSUB to GOTO. 13:18:44 I don't even remember which BASICs I used as a kid. I definitely used QBASIC but I don't know if I actually got much programming done with it. 13:18:51 it took until the ripe old age of 8 for me to start really programming 13:18:59 hehe 13:20:30 I do remember writing out some long program that did pretty things on the screen from a book REALLY CAREFULLY. I forget which computer that was even for though. it wasn't an atari or a c64... *maybe* it was a bbc micro? but I don't think so... oh, possibly an Amstrad? 13:20:54 I was lucky, I started with the CoCo3. Tandy manuals in those days were *amazing* learning books. Huge, detailed, easy to read. 13:21:18 (note: this would have been, like, 1998 or later. :p) 13:21:24 -!- monotone_ has changed nick to polytone. 13:21:45 But then later on high school finished, and I decided that I liked computers too much to do them for a living. I didn't want to not like them anymore. 13:22:01 In my mind, making them 'work' would suck out all the fun. 13:22:10 I managed to not like them without work... 13:22:46 -!- adu has joined. 13:23:05 -!- adu has quit (Client Quit). 13:23:10 J_Arcane: did you revise that decision later and end up working with computers anyway? 13:23:28 b_jonas: That's kinda what I've been fumbling about attempting to do now. 13:23:45 good, come join the dark side! 13:23:49 I actually wound up falling into cooking for about 10 years, then uni and tabletop RPG design. 13:23:51 sell yourself 13:27:12 ^style 13:27:12 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 13:27:19 good style, fungot 13:27:19 FireFly: not its offtopicness. that doesn't give you alt text. such is life 13:27:26 I am a hopelessly infatuated aspiring Scheme programmer with some entry-level Python skills as well. 13:27:29 such is life, indeed 13:27:51 wait, _cooking_? 13:28:23 b_jonas: yup. I cooked for a living for most of a decade. 13:28:30 cool 13:28:34 nice. 13:29:12 So uh, obviously you'd be very proficient in the Chef language 13:29:28 I'm proficient in IRP 13:29:32 but no Job offers so far. 13:30:01 [wiki] [[Container]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40919&oldid=40918 * 177.193.194.37 * (+0) /* Execution */ 13:30:22 mroman: is that like that webpage we found last time that advertized befunge certifications? 13:31:54 You had to use the menus for defining procedures, or so I vaguely recall. 13:32:13 fizzie: pretty sure typingw orked 13:32:14 (Is there big money in tabletop RPG design?) 13:32:15 *typing worked 13:32:19 but then you got shoved into a mini-editor thing 13:32:21 Yeah, unfortunately I became a Lisp convert *after* I moved to a country with virtually zero Lisp programmers in it. 13:32:23 with only that procedure 13:32:27 it's, like, structural editing! 13:32:42 J_Arcane: what, finland? 13:32:43 fizzie: this is about what IDE or something? 13:32:46 I guess fizzie's university did stop using SICP. 13:32:47 elliott: Yup. 13:32:54 b_jonas: The QBasic one. 13:33:06 J_Arcane: F-Secure was famously looking for Scheme programmers in their job ads. 13:33:14 J_Arcane: Ten years ago, though. 13:33:15 fizzie: actually, in qbasic, you can create a sub/function by just typing its head, 13:33:35 but then either you have to switch between subs from the dialog box, or switch that option that makes the whole source code show up together 13:33:36 There are fuckall Lispers here seems like. One CL shop, a couple Clojure shops. A lot of Haskellers and Erlangers though. 13:33:52 FP is kinda popular here, just not in Lisp form necessarily. 13:33:55 3 lisp shops is pretty impressive :p 13:34:07 I wonder hwo many there are in the UK. 13:34:10 *how 13:34:31 J_Arcane: doesn't matter. it's not just the languages that are important, but your theoretical understanding and competences. don't be affraid to get a non-scheme job. 13:35:02 b_jonas: I'm not afraid to, just not sure yet what I want to do, and kinda Java-phobic. 13:36:28 yeah... that's understanible 13:36:55 java is not a bad language (it's not a good one either), but java jobs want code monkeys 13:37:25 Java is everywhere here. In fact, if I don't want to go to uni after language school, my sole options from the trade school are either Java-EE or some buzzword nonsense about cloud architectures and so forth. 13:38:21 ugh... 13:38:32 and are you tied to your location by family or something? 13:39:17 I really like the city, and my wife is still in trade school for glasswork. 13:39:48 I see 13:39:58 buzzword nonsense is where them moneyz at. 13:40:34 also as long as you just write code I don't really care in what language 13:40:36 mroman: True. And that one actually gives a CS qualification instead of just programming, IIUC. 13:41:36 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:43:43 J_Arcane: Were you in Tampere, or do I remember wrong? 13:43:48 Yes. 13:43:59 Olen Tamperelainen. ;) 13:44:14 I was there yesterday. 13:44:21 Or, no, Tuesday. 13:44:26 finnjävlar 13:44:30 -!- visy_ has changed nick to visy. 13:44:31 We moved here for the language course. 13:45:50 hmm, so how many esolangers do you have in Finland? there aren't more than in the UK, are there? 13:46:21 I dunno to be honest. THere's always a few Finns around on IRC though. They invented the place. 13:46:32 there are tons of esolangers in finland 13:47:12 I quickly counted 7 in the nick list, but I could well have missed some. 13:47:24 Or 8 if fungot counts. 13:47:24 fizzie: sometimes but very rarely, i think it has something to do with energy. 13:47:27 at least 7 in here right now 13:47:33 heh 13:47:38 Maybe 7.5, then. 13:47:52 wow 13:48:04 this channel started with finns I think 13:48:09 well I guess lament isn't finnish 13:48:27 I think it is because of the whole demoscene culture and everything. 13:48:39 well, plus just finns being IRC addicts 13:48:52 I prefer the word "enthusiasts", thank you very much. 13:49:38 Yeah, still pretty active demoscene here. 13:51:26 My early logs show navigator with a .gr hostname, and lament, calamari and dbc from US-looking ISPs. 13:51:53 (And me and mooz from .fi.) 13:52:13 BRB, menen kaupaan. 13:53:14 sappuakivikauppas 13:53:38 Saippuakivikauppias, you mean. 13:53:54 (Also: "menen kauppaan".) 13:54:02 (But: "tulen kaupasta".) 13:54:23 I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason for one to be pp and the other just p. 13:54:41 fizzie: that's practically all finns. 13:55:21 "Sappikivi kippas" == "the gallstone tipped over". 13:55:55 fizzie: oops 13:56:52 fizzie: isn't that just that consonant gradation 13:57:44 perfectly regular, except i've learned recently that it's not always that 13:58:34 like, some centuries ago, it probably was perfectly regular, but then _more_ sound changes kept getting heaped on. 13:58:43 It might be regular, but the regulations aren't something one really thinks of. 13:59:25 "This sometimes creates difficulties in identifying the root (if the word is derived), because often seemingly basic words turn out to be derived, applying gradation in the process. For example, hake 'wood chippings gradates to hakkee-, not to *hae-, because it is already a gradated form (former *hak̆keh), derived from hakkaa- < 'hack' (whose infinitive is the weak grade haka|ta). However, ... 13:59:31 ... hake|a 'to get, to search' does gradate to hae-, as hake- is the original form." 13:59:34 Obviously. 14:00:08 and if what i vaguely hear about colloquial finnish is right, you'll soon be as complicated as estonian 14:03:38 [wiki] [[Container]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40920&oldid=40919 * 177.193.194.37 * (+104) /* Execution */ 14:08:52 -!- viznut_ has changed nick to viznut. 14:12:47 what, tatham's loopy puzzle can actually be zoomed by resizing? 14:12:53 this may change EVERYTHING 14:13:35 wtf is that humming noise 14:16:23 ok not everything. it is _still_ annoying to aim properly with my touchpad. 14:21:12 aka it's not precise, _and_ the buttons are not properly separated from the pointing area. 14:23:55 [wiki] [[Container]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40921&oldid=40920 * 177.193.194.37 * (+48) 14:24:18 [wiki] [[Dimensions]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40922&oldid=40903 * Oerjan * (+1) /* See also */ bullets 14:24:42 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:25:10 oerjan: I've offered to buy you a mouse before, right? 14:28:09 [wiki] [[User talk:TomPN]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40923&oldid=40863 * Oerjan * (+92) unsigned 14:28:21