00:00:53 h-have you looked at windows? 00:00:54 Sgeo: what would a well curated app store be like? isn't the basic problem that everyone thinks they can get rich form writing closed source apps that don't exist yet and selling them on appstore, but then a hundred people think the same, and so a hundred people write bad closed source apps individually and none get rich? 00:01:28 or are all the malware apps the problem? 00:01:58 malware + low quality apps (+ bad permission system) 00:02:40 Of course, if Apple had its way, and the web was brand new, they would not allow web browsers, iiuc 00:02:42 >:( 00:03:11 The official app store should be screened better so that you can check for malware and stuff. However, you should always be allowed to put your own programs without using app store at all, and I believe it more important to have the way to put files independently than to have an app store, although it is good idea to have both 00:03:48 seriously though, ms has an app store now, don't they? 00:04:01 i suppose it's pretty empty 00:04:18 but you can certainly go outside it, so the only thing left now is for people to write apps... 00:04:21 drdanmaku: my understanding is that that's only for 'Metro' apps, which seems like a bit of a shame, considering Windows isn't used just for Metro 00:04:32 I could be wrong 00:05:04 drdanmaku: no idea, I think nobody buys windows programs, everyone uses cracked ones with malware instead, so nobody knows about the store or if it exists 00:05:09 they seem to have distanced themselves from the Metro stuff in Windows 10, so maybe that'll change 00:05:33 haven't they just renamed it? 00:05:34 b_jonas: yeah, that sounds about right 00:06:17 b_jonas: well, they brought the normal desktop with the start menu back is what i mean. the apps are in normal windows instead of giant if you have a keyboard 00:06:47 i don't actually know the specifics of how "metro" worked since i didn't use windows 8 at all 00:07:20 drdanmaku: uh, but that's just the UI part. aren't metro style apps also about a saner permission system that doesn't allow all the kludges to support old programs that write their data directly to a hardcoded "C:\foo", to encourage better programming style? 00:08:30 If that was the primary end-user noticable thing about Metro, rather than the UI, I would gladly use Metro apps 00:09:08 Sgeo: as an end user, sure, but developers might not want to write them 00:09:19 and they especially might not want to port all their existing programs to it 00:09:30 Sgeo: maybe the problem with the app stores is that, if you're a big company putting lots of effort in to maintaining a store, why would you want to let people just go around it? 00:10:28 Because you could still look 'user-friendly' to people by maintaining it. I guess though a lot of developers might not bother putting their apps in if they can just tell users 'go around it' 00:10:38 If there's a difficult approval process 00:11:05 yeah, hard to approve + workaround doesn't seem like a stable setup 00:12:54 is it possible at all to make the app store more user friendly than the web in general if the content is 100 different 50 cent apps for letting you switch the built-in led of your phone as a flashlight while showing ads on the screen and uploading all your personal data? 00:13:53 That sounds like the Android app store, I don't know if the iOS app store is similar at all 00:14:04 and I guess there's also 100 apps that don't even bother to let you switch the led, they only put the flashlight thing in the name and icon and description so you download them. 00:14:20 Sgeo: it's got to be. the motivation of the developers is the same 00:14:41 Sgeo: well, maybe there's somewhat fewer apps on the ios store because more people try to develop for android? 00:14:44 dunno really 00:15:40 I don't know how smartphones work these days 00:16:20 I imagine it could depend a lot on how much the company policies and restricts what apps are allowed on the app store 00:16:37 sure, but they can't always make the developers keep those policies 00:16:46 surely they don't allow malware either 00:17:11 iOS has a review process, to my understanding 00:32:35 -!- Bicyclidine has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:14:47 -!- nisstyre has changed nick to cholera-virus. 01:27:30 b_jonas: the android app store is much more open than the ios one 01:27:58 apple exercise a lot of quality control (ymmv though -- there's still a ton of shitty flashlight apps but I don't think there's quite so much crap and outright lies compared to android) 01:34:14 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:35:03 iOS has a settings app rather than having the various apps put settings in undiscoverable menus, right? 01:35:23 Although I think Google's trying to get rid of menus, but ... Samsung still likes them I think :/ 01:41:54 I guess Settings is akin to Windows Control Panel, hmm 01:44:37 elliott: I see 01:49:12 this euclidean norm thing isn't making my haskell look any good 01:49:34 probably why no one else has tried. 01:50:06 it's trivial in haskell _except_ for getting the output format exactly right. 01:50:20 oerjan: then post a variant with saner output format 01:50:28 (i note fizzie complained about that in other places) 01:51:12 b_jonas: well i'm not sure there's _any_ format that wouldn't be awkward for some language. 01:51:54 even using a fixed number of decimals would only cut some of the cruft. 01:52:18 "Reconsider visual indicators of physicality and realism. Bezels, gradients, and drop shadows sometimes lead to heavier UI elements that can overpower or compete with the content. Instead, focus on the content and let the UI play a supporting role." 01:52:24 Isn't this a recent change of heart by Apple? 01:54:47 -!- boily has quit (Quit: TRANSNISTRIAN CHICKEN). 02:07:06 Sgeo: i like menus too 02:07:38 Sgeo: also, android has settings app like that 02:07:54 quintopia: Google's against them, and I kind of have to agree that if you don't have a menu indicator, having to guess whether or not there are menus is a bad thing 02:08:13 quintopia: for its own settings, or can third-party apps extend it? 02:15:49 it's not so much a change of heart so much as people getting usurped 02:16:20 aiui, jobs and forstall loved skeumorphism; ive hates it 02:18:01 Fits. 02:18:12 Jobs does seem to have always adored skeumorphism. 02:20:06 I don't like how obsessed with flat/borderless mush Ive seems to be from a usability perspective, but I am glad iCal no longer looks like http://cdn.arstechnica.net/2011/07/04/lion/ical-big.png. 02:23:02 I guess there's no chance of iOS and OSX supporting custom theming? 02:23:55 Also, I remember years ago seeing someone on iOS use an app, and some kind of number selector that looked like a wheel. Is that UI element still similar? 02:24:05 Like, one of those toy encryption thingies 02:25:29 http://timroadley.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/RolePicker.jpg 02:25:33 Looks very skeumorphic 02:26:12 that's pre-iOS 7. 02:26:40 iOS 7 was when Forstall got ousted and Ive got to put his grubby^Wspotless, pristinely crafted hands all over things. 02:28:11 What does that control look like in iOS 7? 02:30:04 Apparently, the answer is 'boring' 02:30:37 -!- cholera-virus has changed nick to nisstyre. 02:33:46 I tried compressing Zork I by using gzip and the result isn't very good. Do you know what can be better way? 02:34:09 -!- Xnuk has joined. 02:34:54 Invent algorithm intended to compress games in that format? 02:35:02 -!- Xnuk has left. 02:53:24 solution: Microsoft Bob (also solution to everything) 02:55:48 I know that DEFLATE expects 8-bit data, and Z-machine packed text contains 5-bit characters, so maybe this has something to do with it? However, the compression software cannot always guess correctly whether it is text or other data, and has to work regardless of such thing. 02:56:30 (It is also not always predictable the alignment of the data) 02:57:13 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Bob was there, too). 03:00:59 I also try to think of, how I can use shift-reduce parsing in text-adventure game. 03:04:34 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:14:57 -!- ^v has joined. 03:19:50 Do you know much about shift-reduce parser? 03:31:10 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:44:14 Macbuntu does't seem to be booting 03:59:05 -!- MDude has joined. 04:03:56 -!- nys has quit (Quit: sleep). 04:08:18 Why doesn't Ubuntu think my VirtualBox VM is x64? 04:08:35 probably it isn't or you booted a 32-bit operating system 04:08:51 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 04:09:09 You mean as host? Because guest failed due to seeing i686 instead of x86-64 it was expecting 04:10:26 Remaking VM and selecting Ubuntu (64-bit) seems to work 04:11:00 probably the vm was 32-bit. 04:11:24 I don't see a setting in the VM settings for that though 04:11:34 look harder :p 04:12:00 I believe it is in the processor tab 04:12:11 unless it has to be set at vm creation time 04:14:49 Ubuntu seems to be a bit Mac like with the menu and the launcher... exept launcher icons are too big and it's on the left, pretty sure latter can be changed at least. What was ais saying the difference between Mac doc and the other thing was? 04:16:57 Is installing Guest Additions in a LiveCD VM likely to confuse VirtualBox when the VM is shut down and guest additions aren't present anymore? 04:18:41 Oh, VirtualBox Guest Additions need a restart, don't they :/ 04:19:37 you can't move it from the left unless they compromised on that 04:19:39 also you can move the dock to the left. 04:19:44 -!- bb010g has joined. 04:20:18 I think he was talking about something relating to folders though 04:21:59 Doesn't pretty much /every other Linux distro/ come with virtual machine stuff in the kernel already? 04:22:04 Or... something? 04:22:16 At least, most of them have no problem quickly going fullscreen, which is all I really want 04:32:07 * Sgeo starts reading Thinking Forth 04:59:22 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 05:02:26 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 06:31:05 -!- TieSoul has joined. 06:35:17 -!- TieSoul has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:37:03 -!- TieSoul has joined. 06:44:27 -!- TieSoul has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 07:05:46 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:30:49 I should learn LLVM 07:33:42 http://safecode.cs.illinois.edu/ why isn't this used for all C and C++ code? 08:03:33 Re skeuomorphism, http://interfacehallofshame.eu/www.iarchitect.com/realcd.htm and most of the other in-depth reviews on the same site. 08:04:02 -!- Hjulle has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:11:40 Probably http://interfacehallofshame.eu/www.iarchitect.com/phone.htm even more so. 08:13:07 `slist 10/19 08:13:07 slist 10/19: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 08:13:28 `cat bin/slist 08:13:29 echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ Taneb \ atriq \ Ngevd \ Fiora \ Sgeo \ ThatOtherPerson \ alot 08:13:38 WHat was that thing about it deleting itself? 08:14:26 I think oerjan removed that feature. 08:14:35 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/8470be3ffda0 08:14:59 slist is back? 08:15:15 Oh, it's all written out but it's updating a bit at a time? 08:15:25 Oh well. 08:16:07 That's a fancy bash variable thing. 08:17:10 shachaf: not all written out, apparently 08:21:59 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:49:45 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep). 09:51:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:13:05 -!- S1 has joined. 10:42:52 @tell oerjan Oops, your hello hello world solution is much closer to my "local optimum" than I expected; apparently I had to rewrite the program in order to realize that the shared "world" string could be picked up from the final result list (having only one list helped). I had only tried a:b=["world","hello",a++"!"], resulting in 86 characters. Funny. 10:42:52 Consider it noted. 10:48:30 There may be an advantage to run-time metaprogramming compared to eariler-than-runtime-metaprogramming... it may be easier for other languages to call into that language without inadvertantly being forced not to use your metaprogramming constructs 10:48:59 Thinking of Factor's bindings into Python, where it can call things like getattr and setattr 11:10:59 -!- S1 has quit (Quit: S1). 12:02:24 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:03:04 -!- MoALTz has joined. 12:18:09 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:41:17 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 12:47:37 -!- boily has joined. 13:11:55 hi boily 13:13:31 "We like controlling the startup of the system with shell scripts that are readable" I wish prominent systemd criticism didn't almost always leave the distinct impression that the author has never actually seen or used sysvinit. 13:17:07 helloiott 13:17:27 quintopia: SYN SYN ENQ? 13:19:01 I firmly believe systemd is a huge step in the right direction. 13:19:38 whether or not systemd is the answer, sysvinit certainly isn't 13:43:17 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 14:38:15 "we see systemd being very prone to mission creep and bloat" is closer to my personal worries 14:41:17 (there's a bit too much policy baked into systemd already; a while ago I was looking for a hook for the action taken on closing the lid of a laptop, and there doesn't appear to be one, just a few options for tweaking the builtin policy of whether to suspend or not) 14:50:26 In any case, systemd is a better approximation of what I want than sysvinit. (Every serious distribution had its own infrastructure of init helper scripts for managing dependencies, and that functionality is better off in init itself. To me that would seem to be a good place to stop, but the systemd folks have bigger plans.) 14:51:19 yes. I think there is space for reasonable systemd criticism 14:52:24 unfortunately, all the /prominent/ criticism seems to amount to pure conservatism / very vague philosophical objections / accusing everyone in sight of corruption / outright personal nastiness 14:53:08 but what do you expect from someone threatening to create a fork named "Pure Debian by Veteran Unix Admins" 14:54:20 there is such a thing as PDVUA? bletch. 15:24:52 hmm. http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/stateless.html 15:25:43 so init modifies /etc/passwd /etc/shadow and /etc/groups, how quaint. 15:26:33 [where init=systemd] 15:29:36 tbf, "some component systemd does X" is very far away from "pid 1 does X" 15:30:13 *of systemd 15:30:56 So has anybody forked systemd yet? 15:31:24 I really dislike how it is used as a vehicle for pushing visions like this one, http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html 15:32:00 yes, but not the kind of people you'd want to associate with :p 15:32:19 by which I mean: yes, 4chan has, the worse parts of 4chan even 15:32:34 o-kay. 15:36:29 /a/ wrote a systemd fork? 15:36:38 int-e: a useless fork of systemd http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ 15:37:56 this debian fork website is cute 15:37:58 "Debian leaders can go on evaluating more init systems, just not impose one that ignores the needs of most of its users." 15:38:11 i don't think these guys actually know anything about the debian userbase 15:47:48 KingOfKarlsruhe: interesting, thanks 16:01:05 -!- nys has joined. 16:11:08 [wiki] [[Brainfuck bitwidth conversions]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40628&oldid=40259 * Rdebath * (+854) Rambling about I/O 16:12:03 -!- AndoDaan has joined. 16:25:34 -!- boily has quit (Quit: INCRIMINATING CHICKEN). 16:35:56 -!- nys has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:38:01 :\ 16:38:42 it annoys em when people use "called as" to mean "called". "called as" should be reserved for describing API calls 16:51:04 * MDude called as his mom's cell phone. 16:51:49 MDude: that's a serious identity crisis you're having there 16:52:57 * quintopia dials up MDude 16:53:15 wish there was an easier way to reach that guy 16:54:49 but here's one i saw: "Electrodes used in neuroscience are called as multielectrode array..." 16:56:16 so what's the author's native language? 16:57:10 yeah, that's just ungrammatical 16:57:47 my guess is english 16:58:22 also kind of nonsensical, sometimes you do use an electrode by itself 17:11:42 or call an electrode as itself 17:14:25 So that's what you mean by pointers? 17:14:57 why are we discussing dogs now? 17:15:36 What? 17:16:06 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointer_%28dog_breed%29 17:16:06 Page fetching 17:16:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 17:21:09 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:29:53 I'm going on a quest to get decent food on a Sunday evening 17:29:56 Wish me luck 17:33:33 Or I could make pasta! 17:34:02 Good luck making pasta 17:36:02 -!- AndoDaan_ has joined. 17:37:19 -!- AndoDaan has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:37:42 -!- tromp_ has quit (*.net *.split). 17:37:43 -!- nisstyre has quit (*.net *.split). 17:37:43 -!- applybot has quit (*.net *.split). 17:38:14 -!- tromp_ has joined. 17:39:25 -!- nisstyre has joined. 18:14:16 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:16:16 fizzie: there's selectwords :) 18:16:20 @wdjsiwD 18:16:20 Unknown command, try @list 18:17:17 mroman: you're gonna have to teach me how to use GO and GZ later... (if you feel like it) 18:17:45 sure 18:17:59 GO is ro{}m[ 18:18:00 i.e. 18:18:07 !blsq 10ro{?i}m[ 18:18:07 Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! 18:18:12 !blsq 10ro{?i}m[ 18:18:12 {2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11} 18:18:18 !blsq 10{?i}GO 18:18:18 {2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11} 18:18:54 If you want to map over a range from zero or one you can use GO/GZ 18:19:04 for example all squares from 0..9 18:19:15 !blsq 9{J.*}GZ 18:19:15 {0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81} 18:19:20 which is the same thing as 18:19:24 !blsq 9ro{J.*}m[ 18:19:24 {1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81} 18:19:49 Ah, that's good. 18:20:14 also B! automatically maps over lists 18:20:20 !blsq 99rz3B! 18:20:20 {"0" "1" "2" "10" "11" "12" "20" "21" "22" "100" "101" "102" "110" "111" "112" " 18:20:27 I see some of your best answer use it. 18:20:29 so you don't need m[ for that. 18:20:56 that's normally base right? 18:21:04 B! is base, yes 18:21:15 but like ?i for example, it auto-detects lists 18:21:18 !blsq {1 2 3}? 18:21:18 ERROR: (line 1, column 9): 18:21:19 !blsq {1 2 3}?i 18:21:19 {2 3 4} 18:21:26 ah this would work for hello hello world 18:21:30 yes 18:21:30 i think. 18:21:43 99rz{3B!}m[ is the same thing as 99rz3B! 18:21:46 i haven't looked at those post mortems yet. 18:21:56 my 44b was pathetic, lol. 18:22:46 the language ref mentions deepzip2 for ConvertBase (B!) 18:23:12 yeah, i never got into deepzip... can you give me the cliff notes? 18:23:27 i'm sure i've used it, but maybe with not much understanding. 18:23:31 if the lref mentions either deepmap, deepzip or deepzip2 it means that the command auto-detects lists and acts accordingly 18:24:03 AndoDaan_: deepmap means, that a Command that takes no arguments will map itself over a list if it's given a list 18:24:12 *a command that takes one arguments 18:24:31 Cos for example 18:24:35 !blsq 4Tc 18:24:35 -0.6536436208636119 18:24:40 !blsq {1 2 3}Tc 18:24:40 {0.5403023058681398 -0.4161468365471424 -0.9899924966004454} 18:24:45 !blsq {1 2 3}{Tc}m[ 18:24:45 {0.5403023058681398 -0.4161468365471424 -0.9899924966004454} 18:25:02 ^- Tc detects that you provided a list instead of a Number and will automatically call map (m[) for you 18:25:11 this behaviour is called deepmap 18:25:59 !blsq {10 11 12}{3 4 5}.% 18:25:59 {1 3 2} 18:26:22 .% has deepzip behaviour. That means it detects if you provide two lists and will call zipWith for you 18:26:28 !blsq {10 11 12}{3 4 5}{.%}Z] 18:26:28 {1 3 2} 18:26:43 ^- .% automatically calls Z] for you 18:26:58 hm 18:27:07 !blsq {1 2 3 4}{5 6}|| 18:27:07 {5 6} 18:27:11 !blsq {1 2 3 4}{5}|| 18:27:11 {5} 18:27:15 !blsq {1 2 3 4}5|| 18:27:15 {5 7 7 5} 18:27:25 Or (||) has deepzip2 behaviour 18:27:44 deepzip2 behaviour means, that the command will detect if you provided it a list and will boxcycle the non-list argument 18:27:50 so 18:28:04 !blsq {1 2 3 4}5bxcy{||}Z] 18:28:04 {5 7 7 5} 18:28:10 ^- this is deepzip2 18:28:19 || does the bxcy{}Z] automatically 18:28:33 !blsq {1 2 3 4}3B! 18:28:33 {"1" "2" "10" "11"} 18:28:36 this is actually 18:28:43 !blsq {1 2 3 4}3bxcy{B!}Z] 18:28:43 {"1" "2" "10" "11"} 18:29:38 {}m[ is deepmap, {}Z] is deepzip and bxcy{}Z[ is deepzip 18:29:46 *bxcy{}Z] is deepzip2 18:30:30 on the other hand: You just need to know that if there's a deep* mentioned for a command, that command will work magically with lists too :) 18:30:58 ps for example mentiones deepmap 18:30:59 this means 18:31:05 !blsq {"5 5.+" "6"}ps 18:31:05 {{5 5 .+} {6}} 18:31:15 magic. I like magic 18:31:26 will magically work :) 18:31:55 !blsq {" 5 5.+" "6"}{ps}m[p^ 18:31:55 {} 18:32:03 !blsq {"5 5.+" "6"}{ps}m[p^ 18:32:03 {5 5 .+} 18:32:16 this can be shortenend too 18:32:22 !blsq {"5 5.+" "6"}pe 18:32:23 {6} 18:32:33 *m[^p 18:32:52 AndoDaan_: The terminology is 18:33:03 applying a function to every element to a list is called a "map" 18:33:30 taking elements from two listts and apply a function to them is called "zipwith" 18:33:44 !blsq {1 2 3}{4 5 6}{.+}Z] 18:33:44 {5 7 9} 18:33:51 I really should know that, but it never solidifies in my brain. maybe this time. 18:34:02 ^- that's a zip. It's {(1 + 4) (2 + 5) (3 + 5)} 18:34:22 good stuff. 18:34:37 If you have a list and one non-list 18:34:40 i.e. {1 2 3 4}5 18:34:46 you can't use zipWith because 5 isn't a list 18:34:50 is there something that zip zips? 18:34:57 !blsq {1 2 3 4}5{.+}Z] 18:34:57 ERROR: Burlesque: (m[) Invalid arguments! 18:35:00 ^- wont work 18:35:01 or map zips, or stuff like that? 18:35:09 hmm 18:35:10 but you can convert the 5 into an inifinet list of 5s 18:35:18 !blsq {1 2 3 4}5bxcy{.+}Z] 18:35:18 {6 7 8 9} 18:35:19 right 18:35:41 ?+ does this automatically for you 18:35:41 Maybe you meant: v @ ? . 18:35:46 !blsq {1 2 3 4}5?+ 18:35:47 {6 7 8 9} 18:35:58 map zips? 18:36:03 zipWith is actually zip + map 18:36:09 !blsq {1 2 3}{4 5 6}z[ 18:36:09 {{1 4} {2 5} {3 6}} 18:36:17 hm 18:36:17 !blsq {1 2 3}{4 5 6}z[{p^.+}m[ 18:36:17 {5 7 9} 18:36:27 ^- that's what zipWithPush does 18:36:43 zipWith is zip followed by a map 18:37:04 @src zipWith 18:37:04 zipWith f (a:as) (b:bs) = f a b : zipWith f as bs 18:37:04 zipWith _ _ _ = [] 18:37:15 do you know Haskell? 18:37:42 anyway, the lref says Z[ "Defined as z[\/m[" 18:38:04 !blsq {1 2 3}{4 5 6}z[U[ 18:38:04 {4 10 18} 18:38:16 lol 18:38:23 i see 18:38:32 !blsq {1 2 3}{4 5 6}z[u[ 18:38:32 {4 5 6} 18:38:35 ah 18:38:36 u[ is unzip 18:38:45 that just reverse what a zip does 18:38:54 -!- not^v has joined. 18:39:22 I hope I made some things clear :) 18:39:42 if not.. just ask :) 18:39:47 a lot clearer. i'm sure i'll have some questions later. 18:39:50 thanks! 18:40:54 my solution is based no si for hello hello world 18:41:07 !blsq {1 2 3 4}{0 0 1 1 2 2}si 18:41:07 {1 1 2 2 3 3} 18:41:23 si takes a list and a list of indices 18:41:37 and it will pick the elements out from the first list 18:42:10 sw is selectwords which is si but it works on words 18:42:22 !blsq "hi there you cat"{0 2 1 3}sw 18:42:22 "hi you there cat" 18:43:12 *based on si 18:45:22 got to go. i'll bbl. thanks again. 18:50:07 -!- AndoDaan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:55:57 hm 18:56:00 Im approaching 130WPM 18:56:33 this is actually very impressing 18:56:45 that's 12 charecters per second. 18:56:51 characters 18:59:11 -!- not^v has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:23:51 `cat dontaskdonttelllist 19:23:52 cat: dontaskdonttelllist: No such file or directory 19:24:06 `cat donttelldonktasklist 19:24:06 cat: donttelldonktasklist: No such file or directory 19:24:09 hm 19:24:10 `ls 19:24:12 :-( \ a.out \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ etc \ factor \ head \ hej \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test.c \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 19:24:17 `ls bin/ 19:24:18 ` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ @ \ ؟ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ \ \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ as86 \ aseen \ bf \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ CoInS \ complain \ complaints \ danddreclist \ define \ delquo 19:24:25 `run ls bin/ | grep ask 19:24:26 dontaskdonttelllist 19:24:42 `cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist 19:24:42 echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./&/g' | xargs; exit \ quintopia \ coppro \ myname \ mroman(use query) 19:25:02 mroman: :( 19:25:08 highlight? 19:25:12 `dontaskdonttelllist 19:25:12 yeah 19:25:12 dontaskdonttelllist: quintopia coppro myname mroman(use query) 19:25:55 @ask ais532 can you do a "programming languages with no Hello world" list? 19:25:55 Consider it noted. 19:26:20 @ask ais523 can you do a "programming languages with no Hello world" list? 19:26:20 Consider it noted. 19:31:13 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 19:39:26 -!- zzo38 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:57:58 My new motto is 'minimize different' 19:59:21 It turns out vlc does not work over ssh X forwarding. Shouldn't have been surprising really 20:00:10 Might work better via xpra. 20:00:20 What is that 20:00:42 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:02:04 pikhq, interesting, without -X to ssh I get ASCII art 20:02:13 Also pulse is fucking up badly on this laptop 20:02:20 xpra is a fairly spiffy X forwarding thing. Basically it runs your app in Xvfb and acts as a compositing window manager to get the rendering of it. And then it encodes to h.264 before streaming over the network. 20:02:23 How do I disable pulse on Ubuntu... 20:02:32 I'll get jack or something instead... 20:02:42 pikhq, ugh 20:02:48 So basically it replaces X remoting with a much better protocol. 20:02:50 pikhq, so the quality will not be as good 20:03:20 Yes, but what do you *want* from a generic network display rendering schema? 20:03:26 True 20:03:37 Low-latency video encoding is pretty much the only viable solution. 20:03:37 pikhq, that is why X forwarding is nicer 20:03:49 vlc could just forward the video data as is 20:03:55 without re-encoding it 20:04:19 X forwarding *would be* nicer if a) Xlib didn't suck as bad b) users of X used its primitive operations instead of basically using it as a stupidly inefficient framebuffer renderer. 20:04:24 True 20:04:54 Note that using X forwarding for a video display program would be shoving the *decoded* video over the network. 20:05:07 Now how to solve: [0x7f8790000b78] main input error: ES_OUT_SET_(GROUP_)PCR is called too late (pts_delay increased to 300 ms) 20:05:07 [0x7f8790000b78] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called 20:05:09 Which, unless you're on quite an awesome link, Isn't Going To Work. 20:05:18 Which happens with locally playing the files 20:05:23 pikhq, this is lan 20:05:58 Is it a 10 gigabit lan? 20:06:14 pikhq, Nope, it is 1 gbit ethernet 20:06:42 pikhq, however, what I'm saying, since I'm playing a mp4 anyway, it can just forward that compressed data 20:06:54 And let it be decoded by the local GPU on the target system 20:06:57 But it *can't*! 20:07:02 X doesn't work that way. 20:07:10 Since if played locally vlc it would be decoded using the GPU 20:07:13 pikhq, no but it should 20:07:36 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 20:07:36 -!- nisstyre has joined. 20:08:53 In *theory* you can just barely do 1080p30 on that link, but you will literally be using all the capacity. 20:09:11 And that's assuming that you're doing nothing more than shoving the raw video on Ethernet frames... 20:09:16 Which you're not. :) 20:09:31 pikhq, well the video is 480p 20:09:38 But now I scped it to local 20:09:47 Also it is 30 fps 20:10:03 Oh, then if you're *not scaling* then it'll maybe hypothetically work over X on that LAN. 20:10:40 I've used mplayer -vo x11 over SSH-forwarded X. 20:10:46 More of a slideshow than a video feed, though. 20:11:09 pikhq: xpra supports multiple encodings, not just h.264 20:11:13 including lossless ones 20:11:27 Oh, right. It can stream PNG over the network too, can't it? 20:11:42 Heh 20:11:49 I think h.264 is the default though. 20:11:50 plus simpler RLE type stuff 20:11:58 it can even do vp8 if you want to for some reason 20:11:59