< 1413590762 964414 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413590796 722261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1413593743 229346 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1413593901 438495 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.81.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413594052 615803 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1413594908 264314 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413595217 795705 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much truth is there to the Apple claim that only allowing their hardware lets them focus on it? I mean, it seems to make sense to me, anyway, just very few sets of drivers to develop and maintain < 1413595318 235438 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1413595511 968631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when people say Macs are overpriced... by how much? I can live with a few hundred extra... not a few thousand extra though < 1413596517 19055 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1413598062 499041 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1413598471 795895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1413598850 647220 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1413599050 566168 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1413599212 942083 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1413599395 977220 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413599488 272917 :impomatic_!~digital_w@92.77.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1413601173 984158 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.77.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413601234 533532 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.81.89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413601342 508779 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413601369 685121 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1413601762 934958 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1413601964 982455 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413601990 586534 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1413602151 823476 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1413602228 494072 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1413602392 942657 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1413602402 320638 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1413602436 975770 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413603121 811743 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.91.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413603136 988978 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.77.77 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413603584 161097 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1413604748 266616 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1413604792 599796 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1413604798 183002 :Hjulle!~hjulle@46.239.101.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1413604896 293851 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1413606503 460477 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1413607601 922410 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.93.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413607657 929618 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.91.110 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413610436 508502 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413610469 990676 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.93.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413613312 6315 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.91.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413613355 345913 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF923C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1413613405 520619 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1413615743 976665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyvää huomenta. < 1413616300 868364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyvää iltaa. < 1413616575 241650 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1413617518 806089 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pygzdbkxsyvwoyzo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1413617572 595773 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: moi. < 1413617574 177730 :brandons1!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413617648 491239 :brandons1!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1413617714 85923 :brandons1!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413617789 924413 :brandonson!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1413618453 63527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this consonant gradation thing? < 1413618785 558629 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the weak and strong forms? < 1413618805 416215 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1413618807 863266 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pitää vs. minä pidän and so forth? < 1413618846 727621 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just more fun with Finnish, basically. It does sort of make sense, English is full of those little shortcuts, it's just trying to define a rule for it turns out to be a lot of damn rules to remember ... < 1413619235 291325 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pronunciation aid in it's original form, I think, just like the vowel harmony; in normal speech a lot of those simplifications and switches roll off the tongue better, but remembering them all as a foriegner is tricky. < 1413619337 478527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :inessive is weak? < 1413619348 725184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :always or just for some kotus type thingies? < 1413619370 102655 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I'm a native English speaker and trying to think of all the ways that we do that makes my head hurt < 1413619376 531761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as Quebec French though < 1413619467 837077 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: English is like the hardest language. XD I think the reason it survives (beyond a lot of problematic history) as a global language is because it's still largely tolerant of error. < 1413619487 512157 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can be bad at English, really bad, and still get your point across. < 1413619524 542849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's english hard? < 1413619547 373089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cases, no conjugation, few exceptions < 1413619597 261178 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no "la/le" "der/die/das" stuff < 1413619616 377204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no genders) < 1413619666 682400 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has a very difficult relationship between spelling and pronunciation, it is full of idioms that make little sense, there is parallel latin and germanic vocabulary for just about anything, etc < 1413619735 430560 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grammatical basics are simple, but the basics are seldom enough for fluency < 1413619746 264089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : strong grade is used in the syllable, which is open (ends with vowel), weak grade when syllable is closed (ends with consonant) < 1413619749 847629 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Because there's so many exceptions and special cases, you can ignore them and pretend they don't exist, except when trying to transition from one to another. < 1413619772 287284 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :English *does* have cases, and conjugation, and so forth, it's just not *taught* that way because the rules are no rules at all. < 1413619797 767457 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead we tend to just teach 'well you use this word for this tense, and that word for this one, etc. etc.' < 1413619809 960317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kukasta is weak, but ends with a vowel < 1413619815 302977 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dear god, the ambiguous prepositions ... < 1413619847 218199 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ku-kas-ta, s is a consonant < 1413620347 552464 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF923C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1413620481 565669 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :English does not have noun cases < 1413620493 580067 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except pronouns < 1413620504 641615 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, I should say, it doesn't have declension except for pronouns) < 1413620548 185899 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has verb conjugation, but there are at most five true forms for any verb other than 'be' < 1413620575 823048 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the rest is done by auxiliaries < 1413620607 294183 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i count the 's-genitive as a noun case < 1413620620 852792 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's fair < 1413620730 241703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413622757 596385 :brandons1!~SingingBo@d50-98-172-234.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3-dev < 1413623105 363397 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.91.193 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1413623926 302829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1413625144 507513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, English is hard < 1413625170 896621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, Hungarian is hard too, it's just that it's not always hard in the same ways < 1413626569 897763 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: compared to other languages the conjugation are very simple < 1413626582 624887 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, there are tenses. < 1413626838 381735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm definitely not going to say no if you're offering! I love weird old hardware. not sure how much of a fuss the logistics of getting them to me would be, I guess they're too bulky to reasonably ship off in a normal package? I have to do the sleeping thing now, though. (also, I assume this means congratulations on getting the job?!) < 1413626993 887188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I mean, I got a definite offer, but I haven't accepted it yet, since I've yet to hear from the other place I applied to. < 1413627039 855758 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist 10/18 < 1413627040 478510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slist: not found < 1413627045 198509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1413627083 687217 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes < 1413627271 127294 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1413627477 643342 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1413631973 297431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. This 'highlight' tool supports all kinds of niche languages I've never even heard of ("Biferno"? "ABAP/4"? "MoonScript"? "SuperX++"?), but not Forth. < 1413632020 945509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, there's not that much syntax to highlight, but there's at least numbers, comments, and well-established parsing words like : ; ." and so. < 1413632209 332825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :MoonScript? < 1413632231 564321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles to Lua o_O < 1413632470 244831 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PART :#esoteric < 1413632676 762341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it sounded vaguely familiar. < 1413632681 875564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least familiarest of those. < 1413632687 763134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a non-exhaustive list. < 1413632708 892074 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1413632720 716428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also "Not eXactly C" and "Yaiff" and "Yang" and "Zonnon", for example. < 1413632738 288228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Squirrel" with file extension .nut, which sounds familiar though I can't quite place it. < 1413632738 465355 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be especially bad if you were trying to use ColorForth! < 1413632786 597578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wrote a BOLG POST about some golf entries; my "blog engine" uses highlight for codey bits.) < 1413633740 225049 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413634811 582206 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1413637216 329436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1413637689 279656 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1413638171 320881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1413638172 539969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1413638273 965022 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did a bit of catching up. < 1413638277 556110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 3920 < 1413638278 440098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find file to patch at input line 4 \ Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? \ The text leading up to this was: \ -------------------------- \ |diff -r 324c6be2e35a -r bbeb9415a2eb bin/slist \ |--- a/bin/slist Fri Oct 18 03:08:30 2013 +0000 \ |+++ b/bin/slist Fri Oct 18 03:09:16 2013 +0000 \ -------------------------- \ File to < 1413638296 711808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone fix `undo please :( < 1413638381 427902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sed -i 's|rm bin/slist; ||' bin/slist < 1413638381 956676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script- < 1413638387 772317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's|rm bin/slist; ||' bin/slist < 1413638389 444829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413638398 617066 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1413638485 717685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i vaguely recall there was some joking rationale for making that file self-deleting, but my humor keeps deteriorating. < 1413638541 881920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we no longer have log search. < 1413638578 137016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/undo < 1413638578 816241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/undo < 1413638876 354134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 3920 | paste < 1413638878 715919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.25739 < 1413638933 931058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 3920 | patch -R --dry-run < 1413638934 759746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find file to patch at input line 4 \ Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? \ The text leading up to this was: \ -------------------------- \ |diff -r 324c6be2e35a -r bbeb9415a2eb bin/slist \ |--- a/bin/slist Fri Oct 18 03:08:30 2013 +0000 \ |+++ b/bin/slist Fri Oct 18 03:09:16 2013 +0000 \ -------------------------- \ File to < 1413638972 625865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 5069 < 1413638973 923797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1413638975 977675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you were not involved, apparently: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2013-10-18 (03:01 ... 03:18) < 1413638981 248392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 3920 | patch -R --dry-run < 1413638982 91126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find file to patch at input line 4 \ Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? \ The text leading up to this was: \ -------------------------- \ |diff -r 324c6be2e35a -r bbeb9415a2eb bin/slist \ |--- a/bin/slist Fri Oct 18 03:08:30 2013 +0000 \ |+++ b/bin/slist Fri Oct 18 03:09:16 2013 +0000 \ -------------------------- \ File to < 1413638990 383675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 3920 | patch -p0 -R --dry-run < 1413638991 311303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find file to patch at input line 4 \ Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? \ The text leading up to this was: \ -------------------------- \ |diff -r 324c6be2e35a -r bbeb9415a2eb bin/slist \ |--- a/bin/slist Fri Oct 18 03:08:30 2013 +0000 \ |+++ b/bin/slist Fri Oct 18 03:09:16 2013 +0000 \ -------------------------- \ File to patch < 1413638993 338210 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413638995 765961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now do I want to figure out what slist was? I guess not.) < 1413638997 794963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 3920 | patch -p1 -R --dry-run < 1413638999 297051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file bin/slist < 1413639007 479697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1413639009 370346 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys < 1413639059 182104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1413639060 474849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1413639101 941327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/-R/-p1 -R/' bin/undo < 1413639103 370421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413639127 212990 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1413639138 532488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's some way that will break for other files. < 1413639202 217214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg diff -c 5074 < 1413639203 114143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff -r 5ac8a6965ce8 -r 08a929427374 bin/undo \ --- a/bin/undo Sat Oct 18 13:30:29 2014 +0000 \ +++ b/bin/undo Sat Oct 18 13:31:12 2014 +0000 \ @@ -1,2 +1,2 @@ \ #!/bin/sh \ -hg diff -c "$@" | patch -R \ +hg diff -c "$@" | patch -p1 -R < 1413639253 854014 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm writing another Funge-98 interpreter, and I'm having some trouble with Mycology (again) < 1413639262 111712 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives this output: < 1413639264 162593 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: u with a positive count transfers cells correctly BAD: u with a positive count transfers cells incorrectly < 1413639280 698496 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is GOOD up to that point < 1413639285 329558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm particularly worried about the /dev/null case, so i hope that's special cased. < 1413639348 546624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: `slist is homestuck iirc < 1413639449 670484 :atriq!9020b390@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413639456 889387 :atriq!9020b390@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat hello.c < 1413639457 482443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :const char main[] = "AXAYAZA[A\\ATX-pppp-0```- ///P^VTXH10XP4>40PZ414>P_\x0f\x05XATASARAQAP\xc3Hello, world!\n"; < 1413639463 985001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist 10/18 < 1413639464 534551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist 10/18: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1413639477 623579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg diff -c 895 < 1413639478 354825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff -r b1c3b71f6b09 -r b69bb8ef2199 quotes \ --- a/quotes Thu Nov 22 23:35:11 2012 +0000 \ +++ b/quotes Fri Nov 23 08:58:56 2012 +0000 \ @@ -1,4 +1,3 @@ \ - I used computational linguistics to kill her. \ EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as < 1413639485 109073 :atriq!9020b390@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good timing < 1413639512 227598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i'm just repeating the command Sgeo did because `slist had been made self-deleting. < 1413639515 381421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. I'd expect -p1 to be necessary < 1413639533 138279 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/5e1c1f3d6df7 < 1413639534 47602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um yes it is? that's what i changed. < 1413639624 2005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think it happens to work when the files are in HackEgo's home directory or something, since broken `undo has often strewn files there. < 1413639682 537453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, I'm looking at logs, http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2013-01-24#211227Gregor ff. < 1413639764 366407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have no clue how a plain -R can work, even by accident. < 1413639780 269451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gregor: some explanation would be nice. < 1413639932 902327 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, just read the documentation. "not specifying -p at all just gives you blurfl.c" [the example path is /u/howard/src/blurfl/blurfl.c] < 1413639947 121541 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes it only works for files in the root directory. < 1413639958 270935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -p1 is clearly the right thing to do. < 1413640018 495091 :atriq!9020b390@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone link me an explanation of the char[] main stuff? < 1413640037 517276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: huh, in what context? < 1413640044 183237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i think it's just machine code as a string? < 1413640067 536840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since C's linker isn't typed, it treats that as if it's a defined function. < 1413640071 66921 :atriq!9020b390@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd prefer something more detailed, such as how to make one myself < 1413640075 625864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1413640080 246535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's that IOCCC entry, yes. that just defines a symbol "main" or ("_main") pointing to machine code. < 1413640177 364698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may or may not work; usually that code would end up in the data section and that may not be executable. < 1413640183 28027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION not good with assembler
< 1413640427 637911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :char main[]="\xc3"; ==> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. < 1413640461 930028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0xc3 is retq, it's an empty function. but the data segment cannot be executed, hence it dumps core instead.) < 1413640545 304546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is on x86_64 < 1413640592 917207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the const matters? < 1413640594 949447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same code works on x86, apparently. < 1413640644 51155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION not good with C whatchamacallits either
< 1413640669 836990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd imagine if data is for changeable data, consts might be stored in the code segment < 1413640686 717716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with const it'll end up in .rodata, right that helps. interesting. < 1413640729 118988 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the linker and kernel agree that .rodata is nonexec, you'll get a segfault anyway < 1413640746 745698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it helps = that does work for me. < 1413640761 26227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting = I wonder why. :) < 1413640776 496388 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they disagree, and rodata is executable < 1413640789 303232 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes = pretty often < 1413640894 643400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: grmbl why do you always beat me on the golfs where i think i've been particularly clever. < 1413640905 781737 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413640915 621204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: confirmation bias at work) < 1413640931 404201 :atriq!9020b390@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.144 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1413640937 659560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: henkma did it first. < 1413640945 38984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL < 1413641006 272496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and I was feeling the same about hello hello world. < 1413641029 39197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1413641185 151142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and actually the statistics helped me on that one) < 1413641204 37008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. how can you have so many fewer alphanums than me when the main (insignificant) change i can see is changing an operator to a function to get _more_ < 1413641244 717193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1413641278 774302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, gvim, you're _not_ supposed to stupidly resize when i focus. < 1413641443 785845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, funny. I have a solution of length 85 with 52 alphanums, none with more. < 1413641493 929335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I can push that to 54 < 1413641502 40832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no more :P < 1413641529 641738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oops. no, that doesn't work.) < 1413641676 824269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you specify the result of {jorne} or {lasna}? the best I can think of is to add a {fi'o sumji} or {fi'o ve jmina} modal place < 1413641689 469789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, wrong channel < 1413641690 274799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1413641708 390215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds perfectly esoteric < 1413641710 680145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#lojban is thataway < 1413641716 717751 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- that way, yes < 1413641748 885616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nah, it's just like perl. you can do sane things or esoteric things in it, but the esoteric stuff is funnier < 1413641803 517914 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1413642749 19495 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93F9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1413645034 47076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413645225 38427 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413645449 136903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1413645738 983432 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Gregor: some explanation would be nice. // I'm not sure what you're asking me to explain. < 1413645817 701826 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1413646332 707656 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua JOIN :#esoteric < 1413646856 391126 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1413647525 893047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how you ended up putting no -p1 in `undo, i guess. although the log linked showed some confusion about it. < 1413647595 983870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the answer is probably "because someone tested it without in the particular case where it actually doesn't break". < 1413647605 6628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*accidentally < 1413647627 435702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone being either you or elliott) < 1413647672 134173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this was after something changed that made the old version break. < 1413647695 818609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was an old version, maybe not. < 1413647830 543454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $HOME < 1413647831 41822 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413647831 195124 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp < 1413647880 854460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah square root of minus garfield has started its birthday special sequence < 1413647914 270577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $PWD < 1413647914 423897 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1413647914 843816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1413647928 158199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1413647928 705108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1413647953 173776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` env pwd < 1413647953 811842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1413647961 387572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :all agree, a miracle! < 1413647977 301280 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd $HOME; pwd; env pwd < 1413647977 916657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp \ /tmp < 1413647986 257233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's not an evil conspiracy. < 1413647993 607180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not. < 1413648019 597751 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright guys < 1413648022 837490 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros: good or evil? < 1413648035 443652 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just found my self writing an in-place-macro < 1413648044 214232 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the sole purpose of being able to inline code generating code < 1413648044 623770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s tmp /mtp; cd /mtp; pwd; env pwd; rm /mtp < 1413648045 190805 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: failed to create symbolic link `/mtp': Permission denied \ bash: line 0: cd: /mtp: No such file or directory \ /hackenv \ /hackenv \ rm: cannot remove `/mtp': No such file or directory < 1413648053 120926 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I gone too far? < 1413648064 616657 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what on earth are you doing? < 1413648067 670585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s /tmp mtp; cd mtp; pwd; env pwd; rm mtp < 1413648069 229212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/mtp \ /tmp \ rm: cannot remove `mtp': No such file or directory < 1413648092 62006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hackenv ... grr. < 1413648110 771133 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of like maru's model, where a macro is just a normal function wrapped in a container that makes the evaluator and compiler do the right semantics. < 1413648111 957125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/ < 1413648133 668471 :InvalidCo!invalidco@makkara.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's maru? < 1413648152 445824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1413648152 929875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1413648166 455796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1413648189 304779 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about five pounds! < 1413648191 29498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? Done, but not done?! < 1413648201 460849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls mtp < 1413648202 452168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access mtp: No such file or directory < 1413648203 720382 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1413648232 123133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i am not convinced you reverted the right thing < 1413648254 258656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's gone, but why isn't it in codu's log... < 1413648271 506453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1413648276 531253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a symbolic link < 1413648290 76802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well that's a known bug, it doesn't work well with empty files < 1413648306 848954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -l / < 1413648308 803157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l / < 1413648309 780090 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 32 \ drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Jan 29 2014 bin \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Jan 29 2014 dev \ drwxr-xr-x 4 0 0 0 Oct 18 16:04 etc \ drwxr-xr-x 14 5000 5000 4096 Oct 18 16:02 hackenv \ drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 0 Oct 18 16:04 home \ drwxr-xr-x 11 0 0 4096 Jan 29 2014 lib \ drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Jan 29 2014 lib6 < 1413648319 573797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1413648320 109227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ a.out \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ etc \ factor \ head \ hej \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test.c \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1413648325 372899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls / < 1413648326 343827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr < 1413648332 793288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test >mtp < 1413648333 803889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413648336 812818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm mtp < 1413648337 362476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413648341 803915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm mtp < 1413648342 255019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `mtp': No such file or directory < 1413648345 401128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1413648360 597104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it still doesn't show up < 1413648367 287935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo mtp >test < 1413648368 825843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413648385 408573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1413648387 980809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm test < 1413648389 344158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413648398 731857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls mtp < 1413648399 345644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413648414 188400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l mtp < 1413648414 762334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1413648420 547835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l mtp < 1413648421 290475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 4 Oct 18 16:05 mtp -> /tmp < 1413648433 336192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm mtp < 1413648434 790827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413648437 168409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the real question is why there was a commit for a change that should've been in the hackenv subdirectory < 1413648508 114034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this transaction business is somewhat flaky. < 1413648508 885331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the repo and hackego are now out of sync. < 1413648520 78034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think they're back in sync now < 1413648523 2558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls mtp < 1413648523 606413 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access mtp: No such file or directory < 1413648527 979543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not < 1413648542 623793 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1413648556 291725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1413648561 205898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they are, thanks < 1413648586 873497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I still don't get what happened. < 1413648614 200838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both symbolic links and empty files can confuse things, so the way to fix things is to turn the mess into an _ordinary_ file, then rm it normally. i think. < 1413648625 245069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does restarting the transaction change the cwd somehow? < 1413648658 763773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo abc > abc < 1413648659 303782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc > abc < 1413648661 299610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :``echo abc > abc < 1413648661 796520 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found < 1413648663 694008 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo abc > abc < 1413648665 375716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413648681 662055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm abc < 1413648683 32278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413648721 542802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, I forget that /hackenv *is* the root of the repo. Sorry. < 1413648813 420991 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was a fun day < 1413648816 589972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it would be nice if `revert didn't break the repository <-> actual directory contents correspondence when empty files are involved twh < 1413648869 825021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so that it would be possible to see whether things are broken or fixed, like. < 1413648908 163299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not too many casualties, i hope. < 1413648987 280268 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Capture-The-Flag competition run by BAE's Computer Intelligence people < 1413648994 94482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1413649001 852822 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of challenges involving cryptography and cybersecurity < 1413649006 776411 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which was to write brainfuck < 1413649022 652660 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only two teams got that < 1413649026 536615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think the thing to do is (1) get the repository and actual directory to agree whether the file _exists_ (2) rm it properly. < 1413649029 61309 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one of which (me) did it properly < 1413649084 39827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT < 1413649156 699195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure how there can _be_ an actual directory if there are simultaneously running programs, though. < 1413649161 590053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two programs were needed to complete the challenge, one of which was to print a certain string, easy enough) < 1413649164 869363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with transactions. < 1413649191 983590 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the second was to read a line from input that starts with an ASCII digit, then repeat the line that digit number of times) < 1413649247 412977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a language that compiles to itself. < 1413649265 315717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how metacircular. < 1413649310 662948 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itself being? < 1413649332 37207 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it EchoLang < 1413649343 115649 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo being the compiler for it < 1413649344 587477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1413649345 102511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1413649361 994391 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1413649388 90072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,------------------------------------------------>,[>,]<[<]<[->>[.>]<[<]<]!3test < 1413649403 212245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not. < 1413649435 773907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,------------------------------------------------>>,[>,]<[<]<[->>[.>]<[<]<]!3test < 1413649435 927853 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :testtesttest < 1413649573 877040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Superx++ is an object-oriented language that is entirely based on XML's syntactical structure. Superx++ conforms with the XML version 1.0 specification as published on the W3C web site. Programming in XML itself has great potential and Superx++ pushes the envelope!" < 1413649577 829755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1413649587 837276 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1413649595 321960 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's terrifying. < 1413649621 709270 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems someone had a bad case of XSLT. < 1413649645 25093 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION TITLECASE CHICKEN
< 1413649652 666636 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: argh. stupid IRC. < 1413649687 405059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The advantage of creating esolangs based on XML is that you can easily parse it < 1413649698 269295 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with JAXB (Java) for example < 1413649706 771209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you essentially get XML-parsing/writing for free < 1413649713 535977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can even generate an XSD for it < 1413649952 927046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: lowercase allosaurus < 1413651605 573841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, superx++ has a "short" format which ... http://xplusplus.sourceforge.net/Samples/ArrTest_shx.htm ... err, looks like C++ with a couple of extra semicolons? < 1413651637 865794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless < 1413652284 290323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's useless < 1413652361 768306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : finally complete. It has been released on the web site of Emergent Logic LLC, the company I formed to promote Superx++ < 1413652371 199034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he created a company to promote SuperX++ < 1413652418 825207 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although emergentlogic.com isn't a registered domain < 1413652486 986192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xplusplus.sourceforge.net/FAQ.htm < 1413652490 839074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1413652493 481892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ART PRIZE [ITALY]: Marina de Tommaso, Michele Sardaro, and Paolo Livrea, for measuring the relative pain people suffer while looking at an ugly painting, rather than a pretty painting, while being shot [in the hand] by a powerful laser beam." < 1413652503 900441 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to write SuperX++ by hand < 1413652529 199444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ig Nobels are always worth looking at, and the 2014 ones were awarded relatively recently.) < 1413652547 594068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is more serious about his SuperX++ than I'm about Burlesque < 1413652614 714057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... if XML is so cool < 1413652619 543692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did he invent the C-like syntax < 1413652620 968531 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1413652629 291790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If XML is so cool, then why aren't you rich? < 1413652636 404473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He kinda made SuperX++ because he thinks XML-Syntax > C-like Syntax < 1413652643 10418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then suddenly he adds C-like syntax < 1413652654 118643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why would XML make me rich? < 1413652686 781170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just a "if it's so X then why aren't you Y" thing. < 1413652705 81018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1413652707 559386 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1413652722 53812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still think it's somewhat contra his initial opinion < 1413652743 667198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the best benefits of SuperX++ is, that it's XML < 1413653056 784846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, this says gcc 4.9 libstdc++ has the make_unique function! < 1413653189 428427 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1413653555 889309 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If C++ is so cool then why do I not like it? < 1413653601 151916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably mostly because too much line noise, references vs ptrs, you have to do your own memmgmt < 1413653617 388557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks weird... < 1413653642 881415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much const (auto_ptr)&*std:<>>make_ptr:uniqiu_potr < 1413653706 835175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1413653723 218421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's just a rant. Not to start a discussion. Pls don't relpy to the above. thx) < 1413653819 673937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ __ < 1413653820 491595 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: __ < 1413653861 516319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 12 < 1413653861 925989 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 12 < 1413653867 849480 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 12 12* < 1413653868 337859 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: |syntax error < 1413653868 500881 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: | 12 12* < 1413653900 577505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 12 * 12 < 1413653901 109676 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 144 < 1413654001 371774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How infix. < 1413654093 370275 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot uses [ now? And is not named jconn? < 1413654296 871136 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Factor dead? I do seem some development on it, but not sure if it's just a little bit < 1413654532 556820 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's forks of the same bot ran by different people < 1413654551 432586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like eight different names used so far by about six people running that bot < 1413654564 442991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use its full name < 1413654567 659844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: __ < 1413654568 192016 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: __ < 1413655175 904865 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It occurs to me that Factor might be exactly the sort of language where if you're writing lenses, you really, really, want to be able to use native function composition < 1413655427 557815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Andrew Melrose 5* 10New user account < 1413655833 787342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413656489 283381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413657360 839534 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413658414 321002 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1413660055 735855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Now I need to circumvent your spam protections < 1413660064 662230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my language generation bot needs that < 1413660080 22028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many generated languages shall it publish a day :D? < 1413660093 468130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if it's something that would seriously benefit the wiki, I can give it an exemption < 1413660118 99175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if you're generating unboundedly many languages, may as well just write a page about the generator, unless they're all individually interesting < 1413660119 679825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't benefit anything < 1413660141 182654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esolangs.org/wiki/TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL < 1413660193 524822 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93F9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1413660606 873294 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1413660649 54157 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1413660862 969717 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1413660949 606443 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93F9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1413660951 167655 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93F9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1413661097 89317 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1413662625 957069 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1413663845 122598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, well, I suppose I'd better wish you luck in getting a better offer then :p < 1413664416 871755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be counterproductive from your point of view, since the other place's in Germany, though. < 1413664435 718693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it shows how selfless and caring I am, see? < 1413664450 91020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, right, I see. Of course. < 1413664470 684916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way if you get a good offer in germany you'll be overcome by guilt at not being able to reward my kindness, and be forced to turn it down. < 1413664503 268093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like how you were bemused at either me having a non-selfish bone in my body, or possibly anyone at all having a non-selfish bone in their body.) < 1413664510 254882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter. < 1413664793 893937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for physically moving those things, they are kind of heavy. I mean, I'm sure the post would take them, but I think it'd be at least a "Medium Parcel". < 1413664798 343636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we were thinking of doing some trips to Scotland (depending on how vacations and the like happen), and I guess most of the rest of UK would be more or less on the way there. < 1413664802 337260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we'll see. This all would most likely be start of next year at the earliest. < 1413664822 32362 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413664839 391800 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1413664874 109718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I am a little worried that this would put us at a very critical mass for a UK #esoteric meetup. < 1413664957 911407 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to be a problem when you start fissioning and irradiate the place < 1413664979 198816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds nice < 1413665066 261589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes like a day to travel from Scotland to the south of the UK < 1413665079 756898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess Hexham's quite close to the south part of Scotland < 1413665096 355486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make all the others travel to scotland instead then < 1413665115 561703 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you planning an #esoteric meetup in UK? < 1413665124 66974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had enough trouble keeping track of all the Finnish people, I have no idea (a) how many UKers there are, and (b) how they've spread across the place. < 1413665147 271676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no < 1413665150 475125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're scared of the possibility < 1413665169 68904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely because it'd raise the chance of elliott and Taneb knowingly meeting a long way above zero < 1413665183 368257 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go team Canada! < 1413665210 130297 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, where's that madbr guy...) < 1413665214 134277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of the people who are around these days, I think me, ais523, ph, taneb, impomatic? < 1413665234 231457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that impomatic was British, but in retrospect, I should have guessed < 1413665287 895251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Lord British British, by the way? < 1413665299 826359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"British / American", says Wikipedia, so I guess kinda. < 1413665316 993092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Lord British Postulate is hilarious < 1413665348 508534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, the defining characteristic of Lord British the fictional character is indestructability; thus, whenever he's placed in a computer game, people inevitably find some way to kill him) < 1413665434 487573 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you meet lord british on the road, eh < 1413666135 160783 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1413667315 334433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1413667753 15303 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, impomatic is british? < 1413667765 848571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I'm seriously mistaken < 1413667842 599889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, the logs about the `slist self-deletion which were linked were exactly one year ago. which caused me some confusion just now when trying to bring up today's logs from the address bar :P < 1413667863 3329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the gigapause was a year-long < 1413667868 913831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost precisely < 1413667870 11830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1413667901 703557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION corrects a 3 to 4
< 1413667991 725671 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I fear we've lost a bftxtgen < 1413668009 131874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm what? < 1413668017 53850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bf_txtgen hi! < 1413668017 694327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_txtgen hi!? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1413668020 669230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1413668024 553227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen hi! < 1413668028 937737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :43 ++++++++[>+++++++++++++>++++>><<<<-]>.+.>+. [187] < 1413668071 832250 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh I did not know you could do that < 1413668084 342687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've got most of the things ported to HackEgo from EgoBot mostly working now. there probably are still exceptions. < 1413668126 495940 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-164-186.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1413668137 898440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413668138 469264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/help: not found < 1413668144 695098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, maybe that should do something? < 1413668149 42598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok maybe not that one. < 1413668228 248913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, `! c still has the flaw that it no longer supports whole modules are arguments, because gcc now accepts so much junk inside main that everything tends to compile with the inside-main version first. < 1413668248 130425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the `cc command does the whole module version, so it's no disaster. < 1413668256 159749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as arguments < 1413668292 522331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it might be confusing for people who expect `cc to work as a synonym for gcc < 1413668295 539550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1413668341 31979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc b;main(a){for(;a<501;)printf("%d\\n",b+=a&-a++);} < 1413668341 862006 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c:1:1: warning: data definition has no type or storage class [enabled by default] \ /tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:1:23: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’ [enabled by default] \ 1 \ 3 \ 4 \ 8 \ 9 \ 11 \ 12 \ 20 \ 21 \ 23 \ 24 \ 28 \ 29 \ 31 \ 32 \ 48 \ 49 \ 51 \ 52 \ 56 \ 57 \ 59 \ < 1413668355 375722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting caught by the \n \\n thing. < 1413668361 564882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and HackEgo doesn't have haskell. the infrastructure for _calling_ haskell from `! is all there, just not an actually installed ghc. < 1413668374 228342 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-164-186.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible in Windows Vista to make a custom keyboard layout and set it for only one account? < 1413668375 254824 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will this channel do without haskell < 1413668418 998896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _do_ still have lambdabot. < 1413668427 283335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it doesn't accept whole modules. < 1413668452 157007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fueue 65 H < 1413668452 779826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1413668461 387293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/fueue < 1413668461 970106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/fueue: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0x917b248982ab816231581ea2110accfe9423e4ec, not stripped < 1413668486 73548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall which fueue interpreter that was generated from. < 1413668516 294861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and of course all the `userinterps from EgoBot haven't been transferred afaik. < 1413668536 983346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes some implementations of esolangs in other languages. < 1413668594 347349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/! < 1413668594 685352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/%21 < 1413668754 950762 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1413668785 84667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo "echo '"'The ! command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `ls ibin/` for a list.') >ibin/help < 1413668786 676905 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413668794 480913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413668795 49403 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/help: Permission denied < 1413668802 629313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x ibin/help < 1413668804 431308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413668805 856271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413668806 452426 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/help: 3: ibin/help: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string < 1413668814 205642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/help < 1413668814 702603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/help: No such file or directory < 1413668818 514206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/help < 1413668819 3567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo 'The ! command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `ls ibin/` for a list. < 1413668848 379521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "2s/$/'/" ibin/help < 1413668849 850290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413668857 508105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413668858 144600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `ls ibin/` for a list. < 1413668863 361670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1413668875 866950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "2s/` for/ for/" ibin/help < 1413668876 393606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1413668884 868426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s/` for/ for/' ibin/help < 1413668886 328361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413668889 58820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413668889 716557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `ls ibin/ for a list. < 1413668897 222243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls ibin/ < 1413668897 798410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ u < 1413668910 619804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url ibin/ < 1413668911 343342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/ibin < 1413668969 526892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s/ls /url /' ibin/help < 1413668970 930542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413669002 727425 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just written the most commented brainfuck file I have ever written < 1413669007 975167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run url ibin/; echo hi < 1413669008 628343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/ibin \ hi < 1413669018 209256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413669018 770977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! command calurl various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `ls ibin/ for a list. < 1413669023 73896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff < 1413669032 336673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1413669033 631418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1413669055 162181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s/ls ibin/url ibin/' ibin/help < 1413669056 687949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413669059 214671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413669059 841012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! command calurl various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `url ibin/ for a list. < 1413669065 692814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now < 1413669065 924633 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1413669079 374584 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/calurl/calls/' ibin/help < 1413669080 866636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413669086 103112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your privmsg got in the way < 1413669133 46389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is not polite to do other changes while someone is trying to edit a file hth < 1413669139 107208 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/Taneb/ed9bb3db765d16bf6c3f < 1413669153 624778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could just unpack a ghc/hp tarball probably < 1413669156 175347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's enough disk < 1413669157 504052 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was for the CTF today) < 1413669160 392215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary tarball that is < 1413669172 111022 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input must begin with an ASCII digit and be newline-terminated) < 1413669204 935152 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does hackego not have a ghc in it already < 1413669223 702555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghc --version < 1413669224 193933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ghc: not found < 1413669228 242439 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1413669240 658549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does `! glass need a cache anyway. < 1413669271 878080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413669272 489623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `url ibin/ for a list. < 1413669289 746400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only two teams solved the brainfuck challenge and the other team only solved it for some inputs) < 1413669293 398246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: thanks < 1413669312 816794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can store things in it i think < 1413669436 632130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: HackEgo used to have ghc but then it moved servers. < 1413669471 417703 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will this channel do without haskell < 1413669472 30028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think I was at least consciously doing any changes. < 1413669479 226546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are probably still broken haskell-based commands in it. unless they were all statically linked. < 1413669492 453277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah `! glass has a cache for some reason. < 1413669499 14299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nasty. < 1413669502 822716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! glass {M[mxA!yO!a<1>=b<0>=c<20>=/ccc*<1>xs.?=b*y(on).?" "yo.?ba*aa*b*xa.?==\]} < 1413669503 484572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181 < 1413669509 197319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do like Glass.) < 1413669540 794497 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1413669544 920842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it took me an absurd amount of attempts to get that written, as the version history shows. < 1413669558 559838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely do seem to recall glass used to have some preserved state, yeah < 1413669565 169540 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, I started learning Racket this week and I know this is shocking but I think I like it a lot < 1413669583 39242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: put it on the wiki < 1413669609 816148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is already a Fibonacci sequence in the wiki, though a lot longer. < 1413669614 741596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1413669625 109334 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't know racket < 1413669650 336338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably more proper, there's a "f" function and it uses locals instead of object-scope variables even though those involve (_x) in place of x. < 1413669669 108613 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, it's like Scheme < 1413669678 369537 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that much < 1413669683 699923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's like Scheme in the way that GHC is like Haskell < 1413669685 207500 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatever gibberish sgeo comes up with < 1413669690 873435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1413669696 187823 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ghc is more standards conformant than racket < 1413669724 524147 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :racket kinda does its own thing, i mean it used to be "PLT Scheme" but now it ain't < 1413669745 379867 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to specify language r6rs or wetf < 1413669753 930726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2s/command/or interp command/' ibin/help < 1413669755 359801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1413669759 462511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! help < 1413669760 33471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ! or interp command calls various language interpreters transfered from old EgoBot. Try `url ibin/ for a list. < 1413669771 937246 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the 2 for < 1413669779 585781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to only affect the second line < 1413669786 637356 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1413669801 396950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard HAskell should just run directly with GHC, right? Standard Scheme isn't always valid Racket code < 1413669809 687844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of redundant there, but i just kept editing my first version < 1413669816 395252 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket uses iimmutable cons cells < 1413669831 686718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: actually ghc deviates from the standard in some minor points. < 1413669866 906401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 7.10 will get far worse, although hopefully it will come with a new standard version. < 1413669911 37733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the main point until now is that ghc drops Eq and Show as superclasses of Num.) < 1413669957 170765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand Num not requiring Show < 1413669964 358687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Num not requiring Eq's a bit hard to get my head around < 1413669966 901918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it for things like CReal? < 1413669986 276143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is some discussion going on about exactly _how_ much 7.10 will change. someone started protesting the Prelude changes. < 1413669995 35871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.10 is doing AMP, right? < 1413670002 773403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah and also for things like Num b => Num (a -> b) < 1413670011 378925 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adenosine monophosphate < 1413670047 269189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how popular are non-ghc Haskell impls? < 1413670049 975849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, but there's also a plan to move Foldable and Traversable to the Prelude, which has caused controversy. i'd know more but all the golfing recently has caused my r/haskell reading to slip :P < 1413670055 147299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :popular enough for anyone to care about compatibility with them? < 1413670069 986722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it just the regular "nothing should change ever" < 1413670075 675841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nope :) < 1413670080 361178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is it because it'd make foldr more polymorphic and so errors and such? < 1413670086 685088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my friends and I were going to write one, though < 1413670096 469160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well they're planning to change the types of foldr in the Prelude, for example. < 1413670097 666661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a Haskell impl? interesting < 1413670099 793166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1413670101 256653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1413670104 481370 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num (a -> b) <-- what < 1413670106 237824 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the best thing about Racket is the emphasis on error reporting < 1413670113 947961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: like in mathematics. < 1413670118 38264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f + g)(x) = f(x) + g(x) < 1413670118 191596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: pointwise addition, multiplication etc. < 1413670119 940505 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on the basis that YHC is unmaintained, we were going to make a New York Haskell Compiler < 1413670124 687010 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god. < 1413670126 759579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: f + g = \x.(f x + g x) < 1413670135 313516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is this purely just for the name? < 1413670139 721292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah < 1413670146 535142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, we're in York < 1413670167 878873 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :every passing moment i grow more and moe sure that maths notation is the world's enemy < 1413670175 700056 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did lenses in Factor, I'm going to need to do them in reverse < 1413670188 523024 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway someone define the inner product space of square integrable functions in haskell for me, thx < 1413670198 5248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is /a/ York Haskell Compiler < 1413670201 922070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: my notation was verity, at least the bit past the = < 1413670204 519363 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's new relative to YHC < 1413670214 151779 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not that part < 1413670229 438500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a lambda look in Haskell? \x -> ? < 1413670260 395694 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> x) 4 < 1413670264 115936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1413670267 827441 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so < 1413670280 204210 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm just grumpy because vector calculus notation is really stupid on several levels < 1413670293 987100 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw don't use the word "grumpy" on twitter, i have two different grumpy cats spam-following me < 1413670302 717585 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-164-186.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to invent a kind of Z-machine terminal codes and then write the interpreter so that it optionally can use them. I wanted to know how to write C program that can connect to other program using its stdin/stdout and interpret them in this way. < 1413670306 731685 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(id -> x) -> x) 4 < 1413670308 984382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1413670312 168572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: btw the pointwise Num thing can be extended to (Num a, Applicative f) => Num (f a) hth < 1413670326 515456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: err, what? < 1413670330 824029 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so glad we have a strongly typed language to do all our duck typing in < 1413670340 752162 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: view patterns < 1413670341 184904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have strong duck types < 1413670346 451799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that doesn't help < 1413670370 745570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(id -> x) is a pattern that runs id thingtomatch and then matches that against x < 1413670375 378104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, equivalent to x < 1413670376 441592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: lambdabot _used_ to have the Num b => Num (a -> b) instance, but it was removed, i think they must have considered it too confusing < 1413670391 57364 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 2 3 < 1413670394 503658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> a1 -> t)) < 1413670394 657334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_1123’ < 1413670394 657488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num (a -> a2 -> t), < 1413670394 657585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Num.Num a2, < 1413670394 657682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : GHC.Num.Num a) < 1413670414 928614 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway where's my inner product chop chop < 1413670438 431084 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exterior product would be good too let's get this algebra motherfuckery goin < 1413670450 283119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let import Data.NumInstances < 1413670452 780995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1413670459 2627 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-15-107.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1413670475 140492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1413670492 540219 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these @let imports channel scoped? < 1413670497 437695 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or user scoped? < 1413670504 924328 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just hoping that it's not bot scoped < 1413670506 6010 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 2 < 1413670516 117892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1413670522 457194 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1413670533 466778 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1413670537 739310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: for an inner product of (a -> b) you need your a to be a finite type, like a Bounded Enum. < 1413670542 996559 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know q? or k, i guess? < 1413670549 537644 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the apl thing < 1413670551 38861 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just hit hacker news: http://www.kparc.com/$/edit.k < 1413670555 956063 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Bicyclidine i think so < 1413670568 309871 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yea, there was an article about that < 1413670572 554197 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that file implements a "text editor", for some definition of text editor < 1413670590 192951 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's some weird-as calculus < 1413670592 572748 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ass < 1413670596 306070 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird asssss < 1413670633 627892 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: apl is notoriously terse http://catpad.net/michael/apl/ < 1413670648 487918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: well a is just your list of coordinate indices, really < 1413670649 327980 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :k is one of a few languages based on it but not using the weird fuckin character set < 1413670651 137807 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i've seen it before, but i was wondering if anyone here actually knew it < 1413670659 789133 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-15-107.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1413670663 975469 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a tiny bit. i have a copy of the book somewhere < 1413670672 615884 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also have a bot for j < 1413670676 375006 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 8 < 1413670681 103428 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 8 < 1413670682 305218 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the character, though. < 1413670684 485495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot changed name and prefix < 1413670686 488953 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo does. thank god < 1413670688 37474 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 9 < 1413670688 470330 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 9 < 1413670691 430656 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1413670698 778024 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 1 2 3 + 4 5 6 < 1413670699 333570 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 5 7 9 < 1413670711 247753 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I just saw it in use today I think < 1413670721 902836 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if apl used prefix or postfix notation i'd have a chance of understanding it < 1413670724 610078 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone did bring up the point that bugs have been reliably correlated with LOC < 1413670724 828850 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is i'm pretty lost < 1413670735 662284 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :but edit.k seems...i don't know if i want to go that far *-* < 1413670735 932500 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha did they do those studies in apl < 1413670738 329177 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a guess: no < 1413670755 260242 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is kind of like somewhat prefix. < 1413670766 289230 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and that's more confusing than actually prefix, you know? < 1413670770 89711 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's bot scoped. < 1413670787 739763 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a prof once who found apl really inspiring < 1413670794 709390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1413670799 563987 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does automata fpgas and wrote sort in vax microcode < 1413670800 599070 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: unless properly documented and commented and explained, APL is impossible to read. < 1413670800 876203 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd dude < 1413670821 606793 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automata fpga? I fail to grasp the link between the two concepts. < 1413670837 855072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1413670850 221641 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1413670853 127992 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, some kind of general purpose processor based on spatially coordinated automata... i hvaen't looked at it in a while. < 1413670883 903772 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, not helping hth < 1413670887 69420 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: one of these days we'll figure out a way to be online at the same time for more than a handful of minutes, eh? < 1413670910 47856 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll look it up i guess. < 1413670914 393792 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the k people are implementing a "kOS" with graphics and input and stuff, that is a little exciting if only for the weird factor < 1413670922 990875 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: indeed. we ought to synchronize our ircing. also, did you just canadian-eh me? < 1413670949 276966 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not canadian anymore! anyone can do it now! < 1413670962 874626 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiculturalism, eh? < 1413670981 588354 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i cannot get online during the hours you can, so i think it is not possible < 1413670985 568817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like staying up late < 1413671011 963787 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, guess he moved < 1413671022 483480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on non-workdays we could? < 1413671025 782978 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be having had up stayed late, but the last few weeks were a little bit overworking. < 1413671028 191165 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: who? < 1413671032 106139 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually he was only there for five months, random < 1413671061 912955 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we could. like this weekend there's nothing special, so about 9am~9pm. < 1413671078 834899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we in trondheim don't want none of your imperialist canadianism, sjø < 1413671088 687587 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cellmatrix.com/entryway/entryway/core.html there we go < 1413671093 46854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i will probably find a period of time between those hours tomorrow < 1413671106 336240 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sjø? is that like «tsé»? < 1413671117 621782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um not much? < 1413671138 70744 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL ought to be simple-ish to read since it only has two (IIRC) levels of precedence < 1413671147 162758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposedly a contraction of "ser du ~ you see", i think < 1413671154 716778 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: otherwise, I'm there Mon-Fri 6am~7am and 7pm~9pm, Sat-Sun Random~Random. < 1413671175 45587 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tsé → tu sais → you know → y'know. < 1413671190 609859 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mao ts�tung < 1413671202 140970 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :si seulement c'était aussi simple... < 1413671261 47509 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1413671261 201077 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1413671270 870898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ok so essentially similar < 1413671295 643511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsétsé fly < 1413671299 511205 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1413671320 57935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf < 1413671324 307864 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that one really is spelled like that. (or with an hyphen?) < 1413671408 668758 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. “Tsetse include all the species in the genus Glossina, which are generally placed in their own family, Glossinidae.” < 1413671414 16098 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at Bicyclidine
< 1413671417 996906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm asleep 6am-7am mon-fri, and at work mon-thurs 7pm-9pm. 7pm-9pm friday would be possible if i had no social life :P < 1413671437 740875 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1413671455 561715 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1413671460 634009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: I know some things about K < 1413671463 190350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: I know J better < 1413671468 489969 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, social life... even Taneb yielded to having a social life. < 1413671480 423977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the HN comments on that story are the predictable boring complaints about unreadability when I saw it < 1413671503 864478 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, the HN thread is useless, but i'm still interested in K < 1413671508 564325 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily so did this channel < 1413671525 387368 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did find https://github.com/kevinlawler/kona/ < 1413671543 845959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if you could just get on from work :P < 1413671544 38334 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that article seemed to claim the k interpreter "outperformed" c, do you know how that could be the case? < 1413671547 460022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: yes. it is difficult to play with K because everything is buried under things costing trillions of dollars or whatever. < 1413671556 730822 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers a quote about K and its implementation fitting into a screenful of C (at one point)
< 1413671593 710470 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't help that the C implementation of Kona is written in the style of K < 1413671598 485621 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. https://github.com/kevinlawler/kona/blob/master/src/0.c < 1413671600 528427 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and J < 1413671603 791078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: because the K code and the C code would do different things, basically... you could write the equivalent C just as well but language implementations can optimise things like tight inner loops of operations and make efficient patterns idiomatic and natural for certain use-cases < 1413671614 807215 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.vector.org.uk/art10501320 mentions the C thing < 1413671615 464478 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how i'm going to learn anything about this language if even the impl is unreadable :< < 1413671624 167490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: actually that code looks nothing like the true K style, imo < 1413671645 68647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: http://www.nsl.com/papers/origins.htm < 1413671673 88182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nsl.com/ is generally a nice resource < 1413671689 288437 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one character identifers ;_; < 1413671693 573968 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That snippet is also on the J page: http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/Incunabulum < 1413671739 837745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that interpreter fragment isn't actually that hard to read, you just have to spend a little bit of time familiarising yourself with the definitions it's using first < 1413671760 635915 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have nightmares about chaitin apl lisp, ok < 1413671767 24235 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am also googlehangoutable, which probably is the best way to chat with me on Monday nights. < 1413671787 62206 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and during the day, but then you'd have to find a way to find my work e-mail address :P) < 1413671814 498922 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which isn't very hard to find, and or reconstruct.) < 1413671836 593860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: anyway, J and K have a lot of similarities (though they are by no means identical), J isn't open source but it is freely available unlike the K stuff, http://jsoftware.com/, and it has a pretty nice graphical environment with a lot of interactive-ish tutorials and good documentation < 1413671893 552769 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the main difference between them? i'm probably going to stick with K/Kona because it's open source < 1413671897 822987 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :J is open-source actually, since 2012 IIRC < 1413671904 128911 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it < 1413671908 628196 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source-code is GPL-licensed nowadays < 1413671922 99217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, huh < 1413671923 493616 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jsoftware.com/source.htm < 1413671945 446970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: I wonder if Kona actually implements, e.g. the GUI stuff that many K programs use. < 1413671956 995548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not be the best thing to learn K with < 1413671986 459062 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language environment aimed at financiers is going to be hard to play with for the reasons you mentioned above, though < 1413672001 488487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J/K don't really have that much of a language/implementation divide, so unofficial interpreters might not really be what you want < 1413672005 263519 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnociiosucafumua PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unfortunate, it looked interesting < 1413672014 626448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drdanmaku: yeah :) you can find a copy of an older version, K3, if you poke around enough < 1413672020 473631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J is a lot more accessible < 1413672044 359173 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also #jsoftware for J and other APL-family languages, by the way < 1413672657 835433 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much discussion of APL itself is there on #jsoftware? < 1413673022 393052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have to find a font that supports the discussion first. < 1413673945 198255 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the people there knows only APL at least < 1413673998 781428 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though most of the discussion is about J, when there is any discussion at all < 1413675399 564674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1413676559 707536 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really too much to want both a well-curated app store and the option to go outside it? < 1413676710 90015 :zzo38!~zzo38@d154-5-164-186.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, I think it is a good idea, at least. < 1413676734 905443 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple fights against option to go outside it, Android marketplace is not really well maintained