< 1412553750 254092 :MoALTz__!~no@user-164-127-43-38.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1412553940 346897 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-43-38.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412553972 520296 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1412554271 953374 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412554275 477035 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412554300 905245 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412554461 424499 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412554545 451083 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412554552 755555 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1412554885 30442 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412555623 17314 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412555723 61390 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1412556059 450107 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $SHELL < 1412556059 980200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$SHELL < 1412556069 325640 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v.v < 1412556070 193600 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $SHELL < 1412556070 793867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh < 1412556075 946854 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1412556083 850775 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run $SHELL -v < 1412556090 526105 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use `run if you want to do most shell things < 1412556097 977561 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1412556100 253276 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run $SHELL --version < 1412556100 878324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh: 0: Illegal option -- < 1412556114 247988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412556122 754861 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file="hello"; while read -r $file; do echo "$file" ; echo "everyone" ; done < 1412556152 215105 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`readlink /bin/sh < 1412556152 410658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dash < 1412556153 327186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412556156 362398 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412556188 64292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nomyx.net/ < 1412556206 513221 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, -v is really verbose indeed < 1412556714 767198 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1412556995 58689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412557843 963288 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412558362 927555 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env f='() {;}; echo hi' echo x < 1412558363 594951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1412558396 599808 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env f='() {;}; echo hi' /bin/bash -c "echo x" < 1412558397 159070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/bash: f: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `;' \ /bin/bash: f: line 0: `f () {;}; echo hi' \ /bin/bash: error importing function definition for `f' \ x < 1412558414 160746 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env f='() {:;}; echo hi' /bin/bash -c "echo x" < 1412558414 672233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/bash: f: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ /bin/bash: f: line 0: `f () {:;}; echo hi' \ /bin/bash: error importing function definition for `f' \ x < 1412558416 252629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env f='() { true; }; echo hi' bash -c 'echo x' < 1412558416 838897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi \ x < 1412558423 376643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1412558427 23159 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :danke < 1412558452 985671 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1412558458 408393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not a big deal in HackEgo. < 1412558472 782095 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno.s omeone might inj on my irc cmds!@# < 1412559080 118163 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk < 1412559272 132352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a suitable way in a C code that a function can skip a part of the calling function? (That would work in Windows, Linux, and other systems including non-x86; however, it is still GNU C.) In my case, in case of an error, it breaks into a debugger, and if the instruction it is in the middle of interpreting is skipped, to just go back and continue with the next one as if nothing happened. < 1412559333 171197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe there is a better way < 1412559424 168526 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :longjumps? < 1412559446 99580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought longjumps don't alawys work properly for some reason? < 1412559507 665113 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty vague < 1412559583 830162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin seems to not include any documentation about such thing anyways < 1412559732 228266 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SUPERSCRIPT CHICKEN < 1412559775 198907 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, a lot of people have been sacrificed to that vending machine. < 1412559869 376849 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412559872 499012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/RFbQ5gY.jpg < 1412559872 977975 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1412559898 755372 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever wonder how they do that with their hair < 1412559906 172380 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or eyes, or lack of nose, or < 1412561884 222455 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :longjump is standard. should be the same in gnu on linux, in cygwin and in visual studio in windows < 1412561902 391461 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you want exception handlers, but not using c++ execption handlers? < 1412562255 502140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using C not C++ < 1412562299 708795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible in C anyways? < 1412562326 401164 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i understand correctly, longjmp should work < 1412562348 826238 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the caller you would if(setjmp(....)) { ... do stuff ... } ... stuff you want to skip to .... < 1412562370 364763 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in the callee you'd longjump, it would go back to the setjmp, but with a diff value < 1412562401 539959 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, if(!setjmp(..)) { .. rather < 1412562408 924550 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the firszt time setjmp returns zero.. goes into the if statement < 1412562419 647086 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :longjmp isn't very efficient < 1412562421 610063 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you longjmp, it goes back to the setjmp but you give another value except zero and it skips the iff < 1412562429 190838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin doesn't mention it in the documentations at all though < 1412562432 525213 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefull: impl specific. < 1412562438 370086 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1412562440 731060 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cygwin supports it. < 1412562443 175305 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's just standard c < 1412562444 562909 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its standard < 1412562446 726877 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not something that is used very often in C code < 1412562457 398629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I am using it for a debug break though, so it doesn't need to be particularly efficient. < 1412562458 736385 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see cygwin setjmp.h < 1412562493 647532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: O, but still I am using MinGW, not Cygwin; just MinGW doesn't have man pages. < 1412562540 54104 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gitorious.org/mingw/mingw-runtime/source/fe345a084b4e3d16e691515fed9c82910209c2ff:include/setjmp.h#L40 looks reliable < 1412562570 728849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I see I do have setjmp.h < 1412562733 5154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it might not work on Alpha, but I don't care much about that because the header file isn't part of the distribution of the program; if you want to compile it on a different computer it is your job to use a proper header file. < 1412562762 496086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to look in Wikipedia to see if it has a proper document perhaps? < 1412562815 484690 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use setjmp and complain to the implementors if it ain't workin < 1412563015 377882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case it might work even to simply ignore the return value of setjmp < 1412563066 24456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps: while(setjmp(buf)); Is such a thing necessary or not? < 1412563090 520223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if it would work at all, actually. < 1412563589 546908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia does say it is permitted to use it as the condition of if, switch, and iteration with or without "!" at front and it is also allowed to use as a statement by itself and ignore the return value. < 1412563675 823052 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham just suggested that pattern to emulate a try/catch sorta dealie < 1412563748 805851 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1412563782 102993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean is it OK to call longjmp twice with the same buffer (as long as whoever calls setjmp doesn't return before that)? < 1412564225 740119 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zdbkxwouqyvndeax QUIT :Excess Flood < 1412564249 546772 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ijvvygmjtgmowdfw JOIN :#esoteric < 1412564594 979591 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412564645 979027 :MoALTz__!~no@user-164-127-43-38.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412564963 971784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does say "The values of automatic variables are unspecified after a call to longjmp()..." in some circumstances, but I don't need any of those circumstances anyways since I will reinitialize them in the beginning of the loop that comes right after the setjmp() call. < 1412565183 857382 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.247 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish! < 1412565203 356247 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.78.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412565220 369162 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people here have an opinion on MealSquares/ < 1412566007 394747 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412566265 471322 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1412567143 510408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i considered doing the beta, but realized i didn't want to pay that much for food i might hate < 1412567174 775137 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering it but I want a working fridge first < 1412567206 245529 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also worried it could be dangerous. Not really planning on living solely on it, but in terms of there's at least one nutrient they've put a lot of in, etc < 1412567231 943191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they drop the price when it goes into production, i'd reconsider < 1412567881 400876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'm about to spend way too much on a hotel an hour from where I live, so < 1412567951 741508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On ##C channel they told me that it is not allowed to longjmp to the same buffer twice, so I need while(setjmp(buf)); instead. < 1412567968 137139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there are other programs having such an empty loop like that? < 1412567990 328099 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look that empty to me < 1412568012 448924 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very traditional, but it's not while(1); < 1412568014 258159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the condition is not empty; the body if the loop is empty, though. < 1412568050 232260 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I've seen abuses of the condition with empty body as a joke. < 1412568052 342338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of such thing < 1412568060 898477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the IOCCC :) < 1412568067 502622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, in this case it isn't as a joke. < 1412568069 759180 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also saw the gozto --> operator as a joke... and then saw it in production code. < 1412568085 139989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I mean specifically set setjmp as the condition, though. < 1412568096 390088 :Guest75924!~shikhin@120.59.229.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412568098 42716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nope < 1412568153 25686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i would expect something like while(handle_events()); in production code maybe. < 1412568154 610354 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still less WTFy than [censored] for [duration of time censored] < 1412568191 540916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have done things like that too, but cannot remember if I have seen it in other programs. < 1412568198 336822 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laughed when I heard it because it was so horrible < 1412568221 681914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: while (*dst++ = *src++); is the classic strcpy() implementation. < 1412568230 214768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, heard... something, but discoverd the censored thing myself < 1412568239 400091 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the thing I heard was another similar instance < 1412568250 612594 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't really remember < 1412568293 951997 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i don't get it < 1412568302 863286 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the gozto? < 1412568315 872894 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's x-- > 0, for example, just made to look like a single operator < 1412568329 952417 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(x --> 0) { /* stuff */ } < 1412568376 692640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe POSIX says that while(setjmp(buf)); is explicitly allowed. < 1412568381 238043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, the censored < 1412568398 974611 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff I still probably shouldn't reveal in public due to being work related. < 1412568428 13327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then don't even mention it at all? < 1412568435 329202 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Mikuru < 1412568438 805677 :Mikuru!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1412568447 401792 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that nick is classified... I mean registered < 1412569059 652046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The while(setjmp(buf)); comes just before the main loop of the interpreter, and the first part of that main loop is to read the next instruction to execute, so it should work if the debugger then interrupts the execution of the current instruction (which it will only do if you tell it to do so). < 1412569090 185685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example I have while(dstackptr==512) debugger("Data stack overflow."); and then the debugger function might do if(pc_changed) longjmp(exception_buffer,1); < 1412569790 461851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1412570799 386228 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412571110 606158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell it's most likely a buggy C interpreter <-- `cc interprets \n as newline, so you need to escape \'s. also it's useful becase `! c is currently broken for whole modules because gcc has become so flexible it accepts almost anything inside main (and i can find no option to turn allowing nested main() off.) < 1412571123 923763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lambdabot? < 1412571127 818371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: !!!!!!! < 1412571181 446115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that @tell would work anyway hth < 1412571187 732491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1412571206 327582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how often he's done that lately < 1412571216 770015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if log searched worked, i could find out < 1412571220 259642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*search < 1412571307 514391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: would it be too much to ask that @tell give an error message if the nick contains illegal characters? < 1412571314 554594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i count a whole buncha occurrences in the past couple of years but don't have recent logs for this year hth < 1412571340 468512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: At least @tell was "fixed" to make @tell nick: and @tell nick, work. < 1412571412 196168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT DOESN'T HELP US ABSENT-MINDED CLODS < 1412571601 195433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god reading the logs is annoying when you cannot @tell people < 1412571613 839728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "everyone" is sleeping < 1412571627 934040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :use memoserv hth < 1412571651 777526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :memoserv is so subtle that i have trouble noticing it when i get messages from it. < 1412571706 107567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides is just feels wrong < 1412571776 46338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas I'd say remove the jconn entry, he doesn't come here anymore <-- good look making fungot support unbalanced parentheses in its ^prefixes, that was the whole reason i suggested giving idris-bot the ( prefix < 1412571776 329425 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, more than 10 per cent of all national laws, we can only guess at the moment, as pointed out in his report. < 1412571933 137210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1412571933 376554 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1412572125 596408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist < 1412572126 237274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ < 1412572353 846196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's so annoying i'm going to skip the logs today. < 1412572870 265870 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412572899 926031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is? < 1412572966 230857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common in C are structures that never have any variables of that type and are not used for anything else either (and also not in a header file or macro)? < 1412573146 532353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'int main(void) { int main(void) { return 1; } return 0; }' | gcc -std=c11 -pedantic-errors -x c - -o /dev/null < 1412573147 126863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​: In function ‘main’: \ :1:18: error: ISO C forbids nested functions [-pedantic] \ :1:22: error: ‘main’ is normally a non-static function [-Wmain] < 1412573152 574861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^ < 1412573191 374684 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me i got a bizarre looking linker error because the aseembler uses the opposite link annotation convention from C, or suchlike < 1412573244 360080 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my main ended up static. oops < 1412573287 205937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course -pedantic-errors combined with a thing that doesn't show the error messages has its own drawbacks. < 1412573307 96250 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a seem bler < 1412573442 251415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well ok but that disables _all_ gcc extensions doesn't it? < 1412573450 354736 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412573473 104129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not being able to @tell. < 1412573892 925434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http:/oerjan.nvg.org/gcccomp < 1412573893 197953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: unable to resolve host address `http' < 1412573895 558295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but STANDARD C. < 1412573902 245335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/gcccomp < 1412573907 57424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-10-06 05:38:13 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/gcccomp [1386/1386] -> "gcccomp" [1] < 1412573947 79530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x gcccomp; mv gcccomp interps/gcccomp < 1412573948 561474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412573971 733254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main(void) { print("test"); } < 1412573973 80322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1412573983 291499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main(void) { printf("test"); } < 1412573984 389336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1412573993 833989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("test"); < 1412573994 658529 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1412574000 724938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1412574030 788544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "does not compile." is the most user-friendly thing in the world. < 1412574153 777915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1412574156 938047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1412574178 672379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it was a totally evil hack anyway. < 1412574193 949727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now the neighbor's dog is starting to bark, so my brain cannot do any more. < 1412574314 881295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it stopped immediately when i gave up, which tells me this was a message from the universe (and also, that God is evil.) < 1412574383 603732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Also, that I have had too little sleep today to stand being awake. < 1412574503 165028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ugh < 1412575796 102760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like John Stump's music? Does anyone write more difficult music? < 1412575841 70251 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main(void) { printf("Does not compile."); } < 1412575842 223021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412575854 797731 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what. < 1412575861 551464 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main(void) { printf("Does not compile.") } < 1412575862 519105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1412575873 852455 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main(void) { printf("Does compile."); } < 1412575874 874737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1412575888 459832 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, oerjan had issued `revert < 1412576179 393043 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412576950 316120 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412577304 196373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412577319 88448 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412577389 262459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Strange, the screen session lambdabot was running in died... no reboot, no core dump (err, ok,, < 1412577389 454203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412577466 984396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan (err, ulimit -c says I don't get any core dumps, that's something worth changing...), no relevant OOM kills. < 1412577467 189838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412577560 319471 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1412577665 85232 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412577944 275644 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412578188 502955 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.79.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412578254 386997 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.78.247 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412578492 463611 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.79.183 NICK :AndoDaan < 1412579496 933581 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.87.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412579530 455529 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.79.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1412580354 57596 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.87.192 NICK :AndoDaan < 1412580555 57246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan and now I have a cron job for restarting the screen session if it gets lost. let's wait and see how lambdabot fails next time. < 1412580555 235194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412582154 968933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1412582158 296812 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1412582158 474412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7d 7h 26m 21s ago: `learn "a b" is ab <-- we've always created multiword wisdom entries directly < 1412582158 474597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7d 7h 22m 58s ago: but it would be really huge if it were complete. <-- i'm secretly planning to split the table when it gets a bit wider. < 1412582169 521557 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1412582172 339933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are old < 1412582281 557605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess B! can do that @char < 1412582323 311007 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sigh. lambdabot should *also* save its state regularly rather than when it exits. < 1412583376 300986 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412583431 35491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Do those messages ever expire? < 1412583451 390784 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already @messages-louded them. < 1412583456 320532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant by "old" < 1412583469 199172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they're also old chronologically speaking. < 1412583475 163133 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1412583556 109156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think so, unless somebody wipes the state. < 1412583593 746750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But the problem is that lambdabot died without saving its state, so we get the state from the time it restarted last before it died... < 1412583756 475502 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it using acid-state? < 1412583763 63356 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412583778 510305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering how many messages-that-will-never-be-read it has accumulated. < 1412583809 213380 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hackage-story with "corrupt acid-state logs" made me really sceptical of using acid-state in future projects < 1412583840 226510 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if something breaks with acid-state you're really screwed. < 1412584899 125648 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ocitniyknfgufayf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1412585064 549596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412589340 18269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Profischnell 5* 10New user account < 1412589348 856687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1412589369 795548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not quite a TwopartName. < 1412589387 801673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I switched the CAPTCHA question the other day.) < 1412589393 83583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Profischnell14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40577 5* 03Profischnell 5* (+5963) 10Created page with "'''Good reasons Why you need to Understand some sort of Foreign language''' During the modern age, using globalization in it is top, understanding 1 or 2 extra 'languages' ha..." < 1412589399 266728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1412589411 160232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a good sign. < 1412589432 702886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose it could've been a human paid to spam. Didn't even trip any of the filters. < 1412589485 346860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should learn where the "this is a spammer" button is in the wiki. < 1412589524 626793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Any tips? < 1412589558 314295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there's a "block" link in RecentChanges, but I don't know what the standard settings for it are. < 1412589565 145897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it isn't based on a bayesian filter or the like < 1412589580 910044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to just block the user, hitting the block link takes you to a config page for the block < 1412589608 368873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it isn't, but I thought it was quite effective against the automated ones. < 1412589611 417008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what we usually do? < 1412589618 976864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard settings for something that is obviously a spambot, using a username, are a very long block (traditionally 24 years, but more recently normally indefinite), leave the autoblock on, deny account creation < 1412589645 661440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, the vast majority of our spam is caught by the spam filter, which is human-configured < 1412589657 586853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me go look at that page to see if there's anything it's doing that humans would never do < 1412589670 574101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ooh < 1412589673 984284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :username matches the site it's spamming < 1412589674 197322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Profischnell10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Spamming links to external sites < 1412589683 955995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe I did it right; who knows. < 1412589690 754987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that almost certainly means this is a one-off spambot < 1412589708 344257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally don't turn on "email disabled" because spambots have never in my experience actually sent one through the site < 1412589717 656875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gives a theoretical path to appeal a false positive < 1412589732 181789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spam page itself also needs to be deleted < 1412589747 113444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's email to the wiki admins? I wasn't sure what it was all about. < 1412589772 233112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a verified email address and so does the target user < 1412589782 31173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can email them through the site interface; you don't get to see their address, but they do get to see yours < 1412589792 377853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02User:Profischnell10]]": Spam: content was: "[not very interesting]" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Profischnell|Profischnell]]") < 1412589820 59710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, that spam structure looks quite easy to filter < 1412589826 920238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like bolding lines but using no headings are unlikely for humans to do < 1412590667 56911 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412590751 936181 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.87.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412590882 306794 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412591073 769930 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ping < 1412592195 316378 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hello world"1couN < 1412592195 494106 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : h < 1412592507 250019 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blqs "and now for something completely burlesque"2couN < 1412592515 180996 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sm. < 1412592517 484433 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1412592523 441671 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't type today... < 1412592525 234004 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blqs "and now for something completely burlesque"2couN < 1412592530 80021 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "and now for something completely burlesque"2couN < 1412592530 257771 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : an < 1412592546 182837 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "and now for something completely burlesque"13couN < 1412592546 360539 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : and now for s < 1412592570 867037 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. consecutive digits consecutively consecute. < 1412593172 868680 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1412593177 220256 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef"2co#s < 1412593177 398041 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{"ab" "cd" "ef"}} < 1412593182 405874 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef"3co#s < 1412593182 583757 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{"abc" "def"}} < 1412593185 585779 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs < 1412593188 583422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef"3CO#s < 1412593188 762158 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{"abc" "bcd" "cde" "def"}} < 1412593271 904912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef"3CO < 1412593272 82563 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"abc" "bcd" "cde" "def"} < 1412593342 857459 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there"1cosp < 1412593343 35699 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["h", "\n", "i", "\n", "", "", "\n", "t", "\n", "h", "\n", "e", "\n", "r", "\n", < 1412593495 926686 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there"' [] < 1412593496 142682 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "h i t h e r e" < 1412593498 102821 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1412593579 252023 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should store my submissions < 1412593588 330710 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes forget how the hell I got 7B on something < 1412593605 971117 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I haven't read the burlespecification at all, and I'm forming haphazard mnemonics as to what's happening (extractor raccouN, small coshes, big COshes...) < 1412593619 208528 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to do it, but then i get caught up and forget. < 1412593650 981652 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse your mnemonics < 1412593665 154990 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mnemonics"ps < 1412593665 332605 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: (line 1, column 10): < 1412593686 875408 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {mnemonics}ps < 1412593687 53089 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 14): < 1412593690 393584 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1412593700 773482 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ mnemonics" < 1412593702 84011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:20: < 1412593702 267689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at end of input < 1412593703 554048 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ "mnemonics" < 1412593705 85959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1412593707 360952 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's odd < 1412593714 247381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "mnemonics."ps < 1412593714 425151 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : {mn em on ic s.} < 1412593753 294435 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's racouN though < 1412593753 546942 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what if a J was in there? could it be odd then? < 1412593759 798242 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there""3"racouN < 1412593759 975897 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi < 1412593766 345732 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan_: then, yes < 1412593779 533073 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi there""3"racoun < 1412593779 710929 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi \nthe\nre" < 1412593940 765168 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zui438s what the fungot have you done to the learndb. < 1412593940 982597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412593941 675288 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, mr president-in-office, i hope that it will be extremely vigilant and use the funds previously used to export ships and for joint ventures should in future be obliged to put rather unrealistic growth hypotheses and reduce the working hours of those who thinks that by approving this protocol. it is therefore not insensitive to that concern. since 70 of the money goes into the reserve and made specific refere < 1412593968 100774 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.82.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412593977 508832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of spending money on exporting ships, we should spend it on unrealistic growth hypotheses < 1412593983 126263 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan there is stuff that has happened to the learndb. care to explain? < 1412593983 303860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412593985 246952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting opinion… < 1412594008 12468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I guess we could just revert to an old version, they're all online < 1412594017 388938 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1412594118 141209 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, but it's the easy way out. from what I grasp from the history, there's that “Atrocity”, and that big blob, and a few unimportant and/or uninspired things. < 1412594152 189125 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always could include these, apply a nuclearevert, then wait for people to further mangle the poor db. < 1412594164 827400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could delete the entire learndb without losing much, really, so I'm probably the wrong person to ask < 1412594178 457510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you asked oerjan rather than me, presumably < 1412594230 321674 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked these two mécréants because their names appear in the recent history. otoh, your opinion of the db is quite sane. < 1412594273 798124 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. time to shower, bus, food, job, and all that daylight sort of thing. < 1412594280 963069 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: INHERENT CHICKEN < 1412594552 366799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1412594588 402754 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atrocity < 1412594589 62685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atrocity is the capital of the Atrocious Empire. < 1412594769 331613 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. mroman_.slow is on 10 now? < 1412594771 762353 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth happened < 1412594811 210689 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1412594811 760906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DE2>@:8.U% \.E*nsBo.,o:Ԡ7`g(׀gj-/7k+}B$ϋA9r,a0*ǫ^\ө g/]4n G5j[HRI8.ۄy < 1412595534 635142 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-225.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1412595686 309589 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412596006 993000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently http://underhanded.xcott.com/ posted their judgings for last year's contest. they're probably trying to continue the ioccc tradition with how late they are. < 1412597028 368036 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone explain to me < 1412597052 597504 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the pesudocode for SHA-2 on the Japanese Wikipedia has comments in English? < 1412597068 99259 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1412597077 256309 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is the language used in code. < 1412597274 614501 :ais523_!93bcf8cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.248.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412597741 70444 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.82.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412597812 764175 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.82.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412598115 745217 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/? < 1412598116 387044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/%3F < 1412600151 119027 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: aren't english comments pretty normal in japanese code? < 1412600233 373169 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, rather. < 1412600236 507682 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing is in English < 1412600239 733050 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole pesudocode < 1412600246 766774 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1412600251 522918 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese pseudocode sounds kind of odd. < 1412600260 67068 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not unusual, but, I'd expect someone who can read English to be able to just use the English wiki. < 1412600278 410303 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess would be japanese programmers are just used to comments/keywords/etc. being english in code < 1412600282 363869 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I occasionally see code samples in Finnish, including the function names. < 1412600305 546298 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programming world does not have great multilingual support :/ < 1412600323 387358 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count Fjölnir. < 1412600326 531255 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas no. < 1412600382 108232 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :V. few non-English programming languages, probably because so much history is in the US. < 1412600437 600254 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java and Scala both deal fine with Japanese identifiers < 1412600471 683301 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haskell can do unicode, and Racket is as well. < 1412600493 557214 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the other thing is though is that I mostly find myself staring at OSS code, which is generally English anyway so that everyone can read it. < 1412600554 901180 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412600587 537367 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412600663 314206 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412600793 5437 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if programming first got popular in france or something < 1412600795 871315 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd be so fucked < 1412600901 21438 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was actually a French version of BASIC. XD < 1412600933 285341 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully while Finland has invented at least one programming language, its creator was sane enough to do it in English as well ... XD < 1412601083 925150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: nah, actually programming words are pretty much the same in French, so it would look the same basically < 1412601090 320767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not quite < 1412601104 480621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people actually use french words chosen specifically to look different from English < 1412601120 986924 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for !!purity!!, right? < 1412601157 822314 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages has a list. < 1412601179 892202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pureté?! < 1412601306 629105 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, now I can't remember what it was called either. < 1412601421 839983 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412601772 654299 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah hah! It was this one: http://www.survo.fi/muste/ < 1412601839 106505 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :All pseudo-code I've seen presented in courses, even by people insisting on using swedish CS terminology, have been in English FWIW < 1412601890 171727 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: learn french then < 1412601892 28122 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't so hard < 1412601895 679085 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just study it for 8 years < 1412602015 197672 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only took me about a year to get pretty good at puzzling out basic written French. I was useless for spoken though. < 1412602068 400638 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it too @study 8 years < 1412602073 107668 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only took me three years to forget it all < 1412602099 76798 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm learning Finnish, because I live here. < 1412602201 604787 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Haskell in my programming time. Because I like a challenge, I guess. < 1412602210 591783 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fucked by a swede, no less < 1412602284 869858 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_%28programming_language%29 < 1412602287 269832 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks fun < 1412602299 378132 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. A mad part of my brain just realized you could possibly express Haskell type declarations with Finnish suffixes instead of arrows ... < 1412602479 39381 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sanoa :: Merkkijonosta Merkkijonoon < 1412602493 860569 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could invent the Haskell/Finnish relative of Perligata < 1412602547 691215 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Oh my god, that is brilliant. < 1412602586 84060 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to force me to learn finnish? < 1412602589 673943 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1412602590 746919 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because god help me I will do it < 1412602603 850271 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of us, one of us ... ;) < 1412602616 432597 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-43-38.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1412602641 663344 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be so hard to learn if 6 Mio. people speak it . < 1412602698 968991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1412602705 421632 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :babys can do it < 1412602738 415050 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. I am in a *very* good course, but very intensive, and our class size is dropping out like new boot camp recruits. < 1412602741 859197 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could fungot learn finnish? < 1412602742 594405 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, i wish to express our positive, constructive suggestions in a recommendation three years ago, the commission is criticised for looking at things in a very unusual veil of secrecy finally going to agree on a common future for the many suggestions and ideas put forward by the commission is in favour of the data needed to develop criteria which can be studied at a later stage. < 1412602765 723954 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how you define "learn" and "finnish" < 1412602765 996649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take that as a "maybe" < 1412602772 137581 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot could learn finnish faster than most of us < 1412602772 372539 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what fungot is saying is it doesn't understand Finnish either. < 1412602773 99955 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: thank you very much for your support, must be to define rules and procedures have not been taken yet, the right priorities. the council has insisted on the objective of this regulation, ' fnord fnord est' or ' paper quotas' and that is a very unsatisfactory situation. i do not think this is an infringement. may i just give some clarification. < 1412602773 277958 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: the answer is brief and clear. we must beware of placing contracts for research work on cancer and other serious diseases, as well as fnord fnord. i am prepared to discuss it. < 1412602808 480950 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fnord fnord est" < 1412602811 993518 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There should be a substantial finnish europarl, at least) < 1412602814 576153 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very wise, fungot < 1412602815 110480 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, we have to clarify this point, i should like to ask, of course, the geneva convention guaranteeing that no-one is sent back to india by the greek authorities will themselves rectify the undesirable situation that has faced many women with insoluble conflicts. for in the maastricht treaty, i would like to tell you that the commission must be present in decision-making bodies and chang < 1412602865 11429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1412602865 188945 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1412602902 81316 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style pa < 1412602902 259059 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: pa (around 1200 transcribed Penny Arcade comics) < 1412602916 185667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot please tell me this isn't as bad as it sounds < 1412602916 363571 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'd like to see one of the worst beatings i ever saw a man take was... < 1412602922 277521 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuli tulli < 1412602926 117877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the fire wind < 1412602933 846687 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it is better than the sms fungot style < 1412602934 24404 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ebony and ivory, i think he wants to meet you! we have a letter worthy of emperor akihito! < 1412602934 783266 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kuusi palaa. < 1412602936 899792 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1412602937 863848 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuuli < 1412602939 163562 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1412602954 980911 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://33.media.tumblr.com/e62fddefef8392c16134d851e2db473e/tumblr_mwytwhtGel1so4xnko1_500.png < 1412602982 940636 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412603005 455835 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How accurate is that? < 1412603096 693837 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true. Those words are indeed synonyms (though "kuusi" -> "your moon", while correct, is obv. nonsense in most contexts not involving cheesy song lyrics) < 1412603254 29012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: do you have anything like the lion-eating poet in the stone den peom in Finnish? < 1412603259 54038 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poem < 1412603270 106108 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fun is that Finnish loooves to make similar sounding words as opposites. < 1412603341 535880 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a Finn they sound perfectly distinct, but for an american, "kuuma," (hot) "kulma," (corner) "kylmä" (cold) for instance aren't always so clear if spoken in a hurry... < 1412603510 477457 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard is finnish? < 1412603519 583515 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a scale from 1 to 3 < 1412603533 673272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :4?... wait, which is the easy end? < 1412603583 840172 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1412603590 242674 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jään bussilla. - I stay on the bus. Jään pois bussista. - I get off the bus (lit. "I stay away from the bus"). < 1412603623 455928 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kuusi, of course < 1412603700 448144 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D Generally speaking, I'd say "harder than French, easier than Chinese". < 1412603949 899369 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spelling is nice, at least. Some of the distinctions are hard for me to get write (Ä v. A, U v. Y), but as the Finnish writing system was essentially invented whole cloth, they were able to be completely consistent. Every word in Finnish is pronounced exactly as it's spelled. < 1412603971 804590 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even dipthongs largely fall into place naturally if you just sound out the component vowels. < 1412604012 349794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice typo. < 1412604046 886514 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1412604117 338343 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: perhaps they just don't see any reason to tell hot and cold apart :P < 1412604340 331444 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The way I saw it when I took it in uni, was maybe in the days before the climate here started to warm it, 'hot' was just relative to 'not as bite-ass cold'. ;) < 1412604412 27853 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... u is jast a u < 1412604415 65701 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and y is an ü < 1412604415 618394 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1412604435 463679 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ä is something like a german ä < 1412604446 246844 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1412604447 918892 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1412604457 914313 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm going to learn finish channel traffic here will increase < 1412604459 947169 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finnish . < 1412604536 585109 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many finns are in here? < 1412604579 773976 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a native, but I have emigrated to Finland permanently. < 1412604593 659474 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :minä puhun. < 1412604599 898804 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you emigrate? < 1412604605 216049 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hot in the US? < 1412604670 412114 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Married a Finn. < 1412604702 982852 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I was planning to emigrate after uni anyway; love and financial aid depts. conspired to hasten my escape. < 1412604756 474069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to where? < 1412604763 215420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412604789 904050 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably wouldn't have picked Finland first if I hadn't met my wife though ... XD < 1412605457 2105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1412605536 179596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: It's also non-nonsense in a scifi context where people regularly own moons. < 1412605553 95417 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412605634 652514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't think "jään bussilla" means much anything; "I stay on the bus" would be "jään bussiin". < 1412605637 599963 :ais523_!93bcf8cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.248.207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or where planets are sufficiently intelligent that talking to them would be non-crazy < 1412605664 364936 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinun täytyy tehdä se! < 1412605726 868006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regularity of the Finnish phonology is a boon for us speech-recognizer-writers; our lab's doesn't even use a pronunciation lexicon, it just generates phoneme sequences from grapheme sequences with very simple rules. < 1412605792 453197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the only planet that comes to mind is Solaris, and talking to it is always quite crazy < 1412605880 182256 :ais523_!93bcf8cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.248.207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of one that can be talked to quite sensibly, but it'd be a spoiler to discuss it and I'm not sure what this channel's spoiler policy is like < 1412605907 357853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoil away < 1412605908 398940 :ais523_!93bcf8cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.248.207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "your" would be weird, because the planet in question has some degree of pronoun issues < 1412605987 343077 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: also, "I'm Your Moon" is a great song and not cheesy at all *harumph* < 1412606135 548762 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412606177 521851 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412606188 742560 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are ais523_ and quintopia finns? < 1412606225 775233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we aren't even the same *other* nationality < 1412606228 775634 :ais523_!93bcf8cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.248.207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no, I'm British < 1412606290 429517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. then there's only fizzie and J_Arcane? < 1412606296 435850 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is french-ish. < 1412606300 811331 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I know. < 1412606731 204897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other Finns. < 1412606746 36 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less noisy ones, though. < 1412606798 219523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a desk now! < 1412606875 747280 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: so in finnish, if you're staying away from somebody, you're getting them off? < 1412606886 245969 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the culture < 1412607225 325175 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412607524 10072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: they say absence makes the heart grow fonder. and science says it makes ejaculations more copious as well... < 1412607831 132666 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412608358 558034 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tfgjpwdkxjmarkau JOIN :#esoteric < 1412609174 599517 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93D6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1412609400 631766 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk < 1412609467 537905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412610417 625438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ping < 1412610840 447862 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412611173 770903 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.82.126 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412611487 473855 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412612581 222446 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.80.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412613438 416904 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1412613589 458593 :ais523_!93bcf8cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.248.207 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1412613756 416911 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412614002 905808 :nisstyre!yourstruly@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe69:7f3d JOIN :#esoteric < 1412614297 729336 :nisstyre!yourstruly@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe69:7f3d QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1 < 1412614473 989170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412616287 510106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1412616699 362613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an appropriate channel for build system arguments/flamewars? < 1412616856 511276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :##workingset is vaguely related: "Tool chain support and discussion for Posix(tm)-like operating systems | We cover the range of development tools (compilers, assemblers, linkers, makefiles, debuggers, developer applications & utilities, etc.)" < 1412616878 108387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's where people on ##c send all the Makefile questions, I don't know anything else about it.) < 1412616896 157343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting < 1412616901 53644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe once aimake's finished, I'll take it there < 1412616909 669533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly specific to build systems, just toolchainery stuff in general. < 1412616914 134334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe I'll write a big "why aimake is better than…" article < 1412616921 920864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listing all the popular build systems < 1412618736 339869 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1412618852 35878 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1412619172 635993 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacker news bait < 1412619243 694295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes < 1412619255 637836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote massive hacker news bait by accident a while back, and posted it to reddit < 1412619264 177852 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1412619265 734943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hacker news thread was hilarious, the reddit thread a little more measured < 1412619271 647048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an article about memory management in C < 1412619276 566509 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, uh, surprising < 1412619278 225367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack4.org/blog/memory.html < 1412619295 243815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, because I think the reddit thread had more C programmers < 1412619362 532664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1412619606 54580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What about ping? < 1412620168 375508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1412620587 964949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1412620588 178926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 11h 59m 58s ago: Strange, the screen session lambdabot was running in died... no reboot, no core dump (err, ok,, < 1412620588 179087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 11h 58m 40s ago: (err, ulimit -c says I don't get any core dumps, that's something worth changing...), no relevant OOM kills. < 1412620588 179176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 11h 7m 12s ago: and now I have a cron job for restarting the screen session if it gets lost. let's wait and see how lambdabot fails next time. < 1412620588 179263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 7h 23m 24s ago: there is stuff that has happened to the learndb. care to explain? < 1412620639 23633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily are you referring to anything other than what i reverted because it was meaningless junk submitted outside the channel? < 1412620639 239032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412620819 64488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell it's most likely a buggy C interpreter <-- `cc interprets \n as newline, so you need to escape \'s. also it's useful becase `! c is currently broken for whole modules because gcc has become so flexible it accepts almost anything inside main (and i can find no option to turn allowing nested main() off.) < 1412620819 278767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412620873 90531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...darn < 1412620883 533274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 it's most likely a buggy C interpreter <-- `cc interprets \n as newline, so you need to escape \'s. also it's useful becase `! c is currently broken for whole modules because gcc has become so flexible it accepts almost anything inside main (and i can find no option to turn allowing nested main() off.) < 1412620883 711067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412620922 31680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Except options to exclude all non-standard extension wholesale. < 1412620922 239521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412620938 346730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 *+s < 1412620938 563151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412620973 31666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd say remove the jconn entry, he doesn't come here anymore <-- good look making fungot support unbalanced parentheses in its ^prefixes, that was the whole reason i suggested giving idris-bot the ( prefix < 1412620973 209236 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ben, your response. what the fuck? < 1412620979 461358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*luck < 1412621064 302903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas I'd say remove the jconn entry, he doesn't come here anymore <-- good look making fungot support unbalanced parentheses in its ^prefixes, that was the whole reason i suggested giving idris-bot the ( prefix < 1412621064 480828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412621064 480971 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know, professional courtesy. < 1412621113 774698 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'd jconn leave < 1412621132 910937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many other j bots, got crowded < 1412621166 579061 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I like fungot's responses there < 1412621166 756625 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: couldn't you have just shot my mom or something? < 1412621172 178793 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1412621194 275755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot may not be entirely sane. < 1412621194 453460 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pretty much, yeah. now say it in a girl voice. if you want. < 1412621211 484585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1412621227 868053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1412621228 45879 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa* qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1412621302 9813 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just near-verbatim quotes. < 1412621476 954154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, ais was here, you could ask him the question about terminals, but it's too late, he's gone. < 1412621503 980386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I've heared < 1412622338 830363 :evalj!~jeval@54000DEC.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412622594 960520 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like who? < 1412622600 674017 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot sure isn't finnish < 1412622601 292238 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: my favorite part about magic: the gathering is spitting on the people who play it. it took me a week to get this thing out of my ass. < 1412622610 316930 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1412622610 494817 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i don't need to be quicker? " sega makes murder porn." we've had to scale back our plans for freelancer somewhat but what we've got has a lot of mail from people who feel that penny arcade lacks! oh! it could be worse. < 1412622610 947817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir Fungellot cannot be stopped by that sword alone! < 1412622624 892970 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1412622632 537540 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sega makes murder porn? < 1412622641 686629 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even legal < 1412622693 674141 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I acquire this SEGA murder porn >_> < 1412622779 713255 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. right. < 1412622782 712434 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the porn guy < 1412622795 614464 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Gregor < 1412622796 239365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor took forty cakes. He took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible. < 1412622845 678688 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn forty means "in a fort-like manner" < 1412622847 342782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1412622853 612603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? forty < 1412622854 334058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forty means "in a fort-like manner" < 1412622861 606583 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412622886 967935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an adverb? < 1412623082 647517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1412623095 916972 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also an adjective < 1412623097 250819 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both < 1412623103 43847 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1412623109 305989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats lapsi, lapsen, lasta, lapsia < 1412623109 483609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He forty took them? < 1412623114 984785 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are "nominal types"? < 1412623121 768012 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Exactly. < 1412623265 596265 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1412623282 603420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish has >50 word categories that inflect differently? < 1412623285 326676 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you nuts? < 1412623391 753603 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have? < 1412623396 927497 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1412623397 515000 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1412623405 296577 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Finnish_nominal_inflection < 1412623428 784673 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently we do, then < 1412623446 574693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOTUS numberwang < 1412623722 734743 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do < 1412623724 83284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1412623730 290942 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's pretty much of a turn off then < 1412623750 12909 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not learning THAT MUCH freaking inflections just to tease the non-finns in here < 1412623750 631490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1412623769 422989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if the Finnish speakers in here didn't know about it, why should you? < 1412623779 121782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning the grammar of a language and learning the language are separate activities. < 1412623779 385103 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :know about what? < 1412623827 342225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: my guess is that they can be distinguished into (1) follows from relatively simple rules, and (2) are very few in number and so are what everyone else calls "irregular". < 1412623845 861126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but... < 1412623849 350970 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot < 1412623855 147694 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not even german has that many stuff to learn < 1412623864 142677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has more than 50 irregular things, I'm sure. < 1412623881 514375 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412623909 558135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which what's with hebrew plurals?? < 1412623941 197560 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t know about hebrew plurals, but I’m pretty sure they’re not as interesting as arabic ones. < 1412623956 221216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are arabic ones interesting < 1412623991 157065 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :english conjugation is pretty much straightforward < 1412623992 519841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffixes_in_Hebrew -- i wonder whether this counts as complicated < 1412624000 26710 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1412624001 523723 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.80.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1412624003 632620 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s a bunch of different patterns how the broken plurals work. < 1412624006 987000 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: but case endings are pretty much regular? < 1412624016 602359 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lik < 1412624019 772639 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lla and stuff < 1412624046 998480 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1412624067 708174 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the ones that are more complex still follow quite simple rules < 1412624067 885759 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1412624081 961563 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these kotus things < 1412624089 826432 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are just for the 3 cases genitive, partitive and illative? < 1412624106 727104 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? no, there are 14 (I think) < 1412624116 711730 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Let me just at this moment insert the funniness that arabic borrowed the word “film” from the west, and because it has three consonants in a usual pattern, it was decided that it had to take a broken plural form, so the plural is “aflam”. < 1412624121 65772 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language_noun_cases < 1412624150 179659 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are the -lla things < 1412624161 160653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i don't think mroman_ was asking how many cases there are < 1412624178 130835 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ic séo < 1412624182 987685 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: “ʼaflām”, more correctly. < 1412624201 968341 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does finnish_language_noun_cases list only one suffix < 1412624202 145977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many keeses are they? and are any of them not dutch? < 1412624205 642967 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly two suffixes < 1412624208 167559 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I think only genetive, partitive and illative need to be shown, as other cases follow same logic as those < 1412624214 797615 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some other page says there are 50 declension types? < 1412624220 240524 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ah. ic. < 1412624249 875558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well hebrew and arabic are both semitic languages, so there's no intrinsic reason why they couldn't share a particular insanity. < 1412624276 387574 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is oerjan a finn too? < 1412624285 224402 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian < 1412624297 234660 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, I just happen to know pretty surely that modern hebrew at least is much more regular in that regard. < 1412624299 836423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural suggests that this thing is most "productive" in arabic < 1412624301 494490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: atehwa, Deewiant and ineiros are all Finnish, too. < 1412624339 641040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a Finnish picnic of sorts yesterday. < 1412624372 372456 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are some other nationalities here? < 1412624378 400083 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's shachaf? < 1412624383 31164 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :british? < 1412624384 867072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is Finnish. < 1412624388 286778 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1412624397 124792 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1412624399 644424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. A Finnish citizen. < 1412624406 207812 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I really have to learn finnish < 1412624417 322506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only been there for two weeks. I don't speak Finnish or anything. < 1412624419 834081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "arguably Finnish" would be a good term. < 1412624429 732746 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh. then you don't count < 1412624431 241240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tease me by learning before I do. < 1412624435 789167 :impomatic_!~digital_w@87.113.116.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412624436 355214 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1412624449 673263 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be on the plus side of my imaginary pro/con list < 1412624465 539276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Enko ole suomalainen? :-( < 1412624468 533830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can you say that?) < 1412624468 711474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some Swedes here too. < 1412624474 566870 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *Enkö < 1412624481 996074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Why is it kö? < 1412624507 798983 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it defaults to front vowels, I think < 1412624526 736655 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is the only one here I know is a swede < 1412624530 660162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1412624535 642681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf doesn't know vowel harmony? < 1412624535 873683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's terrible. < 1412624541 186844 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so finnish is quite the dominant language here indeed < 1412624552 379607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's ö harmonizing with, exactly? < 1412624564 94281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, FireFly and Vorpal at least < 1412624569 786562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the e < 1412624587 150862 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i and e are neutral in regards to vowel harmony < 1412624588 12765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether you're making fun of me or I don't know something. < 1412624598 22201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not entirely neutral, they just don't control the word. < 1412624600 487771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not making fun < 1412624617 155632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the initial syllable: -- a neutral vowel acts like a front vowel, but does not control the frontness or backness of the word: if there are back vowels in non-initial syllables, the word acts like it began with back vowels, even if they come from derivational endings --" < 1412624639 114989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "en", there are no back vowels in non-initial syllables (or non-initial syllables at all), so it counts as front. < 1412624657 371462 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1412624686 135311 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. swedish < 1412624722 153024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: puhun heprea hth < 1412624722 810263 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :talar du svenska? < 1412624767 482678 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you mean "hepreaa". "heprea" is the nominative, "hepreaa" the partitive < 1412624787 762476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1412624795 95439 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1412624801 216170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1412624807 175809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish could work. < 1412624809 506758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got mixed up by the -a < 1412624818 318243 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is if Vorpal, olsner or somebody can convince me to learn it < 1412624848 872012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finnish < 1412624849 530616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish suomalaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapeliittaan. Ei saa peittää. Parasta ennen! < 1412624856 763252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? swedish < 1412624857 373092 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1412624930 39098 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kålle är nöjd med Ada. < 1412624943 122503 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Ada is a nice language... < 1412624953 470531 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can understand that Kalle is pleased about Ada < 1412624961 518772 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ada < 1412624962 163130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1412624964 456813 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1412625002 67928 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha! < 1412625003 261526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Swedish is the language of fine cuisine. < 1412625004 836031 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1412625007 697933 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have a desk AND donuts < 1412625027 399051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Don't eat the desk by accident, that would be TRAGIC. < 1412625048 248283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok the desk is probably topologically different < 1412625056 803535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware of the coffee cup, though < 1412625062 374905 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, my desk is quite different topologically < 1412625063 411593 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412625076 316115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1412625077 683005 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't drink coffee! I think I'm safe < 1412625091 111759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the fundamental group of your desk < 1412625107 673808 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :His desk is a non-commuting monoid < 1412625113 554854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo finnish vowels should be more like hebrew vowels < 1412625120 612265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew vowels: the simplest? < 1412625128 388624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My work desk is probably more or less equivalent to a donut, there's a hole for cables to go through. < 1412625136 325521 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412625143 604436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think standard arabic is simpler? < 1412625146 433037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a, i, u < 1412625163 326557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :short and long < 1412625165 868083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1412625200 42921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew has a e i o u, short only < 1412625207 763641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm tricky < 1412625258 539415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be some language that has only short a i u? < 1412625268 676613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the .il pronunciation anyway < 1412625273 765171 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn swiss german < 1412625275 849281 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun < 1412625477 766671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nearly all languages have at least three phonemic vowels, usually /i/, /a/, /u/ as in Classical Arabic and Inuktitut (or /ɐ/, /ɪ/, /ʊ/ as in Quechua), though Adyghe and many Sepik languages have a vertical vowel system of /ɨ/, /ə/, /a/" < 1412625573 85857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see also http://wals.info/chapter/2 < 1412625782 774979 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1412625802 38844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* 10New user account < 1412625916 31092 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem in Hebrew is that there is a significant amount of text which only has the consonants < 1412626176 944177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea, can we make Pokemon Card retropuzzle? < 1412626288 592786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's "retropuzzle" mean? < 1412626328 926663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Like chess retropuzzle, which is involving figuring out previous moves. < 1412626349 424629 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1412626360 972994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: retrograde analysis puzzle < 1412626365 675972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1412626383 996867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that's possible (as in practical) for Pokemon Card < 1412626419 554076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should list the possible cards, of course. < 1412626458 386701 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40578&oldid=40565 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (+13) 10/* A */ < 1412626723 651079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, barring un-cards like Chaos Confetti, cards can't just disappear, so they're always somewhere in the game state < 1412626731 3316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :present in some zone or something < 1412626770 106254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I mean all cards that might be present in the game are listed in one section, including cards that you cannot see where they are. < 1412626779 973317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1412626803 560597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know Pokémon Card, so when you say this, I'm trying to mentally substitute M:tG of course < 1412626816 843759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still have no idea how such a puzzle would look like, and how possible it is < 1412626838 749431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be done with M:tG too, I suppose. < 1412626868 594718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, there's only like twelve thousand different M:tG cards or so < 1412626895 707027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, only the cards mentioned in the puzzle (plus basic energy/basic lands) are allowed. < 1412626922 707886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1412626936 464011 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1412627036 390463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so how would such a puzzle work? < 1412627072 40036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the chess puzzle that shows you position of all pieces on the board (but doesn't tell you whose turn it is), and then asks you, on which squares did captures occur? < 1412627081 678769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1412627092 923544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least very similar ones < 1412627104 455010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like solving those kinds of puzzles < 1412627113 704954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't really resonate with me < 1412627121 385895 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412627155 306796 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GeorgeEpicGen14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40579 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (+274) 10Created page with "'''Oh hai!''' I'm George, this is my little page that I will probably spend 10 minutes on and then never come back to. ==My Languages== Below is a list of all of my language..." < 1412627158 848202 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412627167 338982 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412627174 82695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412627239 305474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArrayZ14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40580 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (+450) 10Created page with "ArrayZ is a BrainFu*k-derived esoteric programming language created by [[esolangs.org/wiki/User:GeorgeEpicGen|User:GeorgeEpicGen]] in 2014. It was created over the course of t..." < 1412627443 609696 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Below is a list of all of my languages. I was 15 when I made these" < 1412627451 352528 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ArrayZ is a BrainFu*k-derived esoteric programming language created by User:GeorgeEpicGen in 2014." < 1412627503 905144 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's a puzzle i can solve. < 1412627552 65928 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 NICK :AndoDaan < 1412627853 974912 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird to think we could easily have languages from people born in the 2000s on the wiki < 1412628035 79628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArrayZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40581&oldid=40580 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (+1147) 10 < 1412628078 278907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArrayZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40582&oldid=40581 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (+24) 10 < 1412628150 435234 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, I was born in the 2010w < 1412628163 479415 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1412628166 599164 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what) < 1412628213 529844 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what what) < 1412628219 981220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm 2) < 1412628338 257554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(despite the fact that I first appeared here in I think 2011) < 1412628343 888128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a broken user-page link in the ArrayZ page. < 1412628395 178468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 2010-09-06 Hello! I'm kinda new to this < 1412628418 700785 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that logs scares me a bit < 1412628428 194743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not in the logs again for a while after that < 1412628482 619773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i found a wikipedia error < 1412628537 35429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1412628777 939786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gently polishes his swatter < 1412628900 360923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArrayZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40583&oldid=40582 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (+1064) 10 < 1412629090 891080 :evalj!~jeval@54000DEC.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1412629269 619452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArrayZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40584&oldid=40583 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (+943) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1412629929 723468 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-225.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1412630342 478093 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412630533 443081 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412630692 325261 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1412630719 699033 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412630839 277828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman_ The hackage-story with "corrupt acid-state logs" made me really sceptical of using acid-state in future projects <-- afaiu it wasn't _really_ corrupted, the recovery just didn't know how to ignore the junk at the end of the log from the aborted transaction < 1412630840 79837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412631006 428440 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, doesn't it write atomically? < 1412631025 568653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, but the disk ran out of room < 1412631043 7803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1412631046 37380 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1412631166 301557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume they've fixed that in one way or the other < 1412631730 183903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/ௌ < 1412631730 783539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/ௌ: No such file or directory < 1412631758 923477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/௵ < 1412631759 537441 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/௵: No such file or directory < 1412631811 605384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like my reverts were successful, i guess boily just didn't notice < 1412631877 125542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily I always could include these, apply a nuclearevert, then wait for people to further mangle the poor db. <-- to clarify, i already had nucleareverted < 1412631877 342668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412632473 219780 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1412632656 995886 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a personalized email from a recruiter, but they probably know my online name so a bit worried about talking about it here < 1412632791 459528 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat100.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1412633101 67808 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF93D6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1412633798 774224 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412633800 702876 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1412634002 653035 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1412634838 391092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnu Bite < 1412635242 100522 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1412635682 839300 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1412635683 16906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 4h 10m 43s ago: are you referring to anything other than what i reverted because it was meaningless junk submitted outside the channel? < 1412635683 17071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 3m 25s ago: I always could include these, apply a nuclearevert, then wait for people to further mangle the poor db. <-- to clarify, i already had nucleareverted < 1412635717 634857 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan thanks for the irradiation! < 1412635717 812952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1412636182 947672 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1412636183 542181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ a.out \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ binpipes \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ crunchfuck \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ etc \ factor \ gcccomp \ head \ hej \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test.c \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1412636194 932052 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-( < 1412636195 414878 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☹ < 1412636201 287369 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1412636206 279032 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dog < 1412636206 744759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dog: not found < 1412636211 230529 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./a.out < 1412636211 680661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1412636223 969320 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dog :-) < 1412636224 409843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dog: not found < 1412636229 143599 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat test.c < 1412636229 563205 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1412636229 740864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main () { printf("hm"); } < 1412636241 810803 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat hello.c < 1412636242 245262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :const char main[] = "AXAYAZA[A\\ATX-pppp-0```- ///P^VTXH10XP4>40PZ414>P_\x0f\x05XATASARAQAP\xc3Hello, world!\n"; < 1412636248 510253 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1412636254 502244 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ain't c < 1412636267 340188 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is is? < 1412636273 337224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc -o /tmp/hello hello.c && /tmp/hello < 1412636273 712278 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./hello < 1412636273 890261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: fatal error: no input files \ compilation terminated. < 1412636274 201523 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1412636280 52576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gcc -o /tmp/hello hello.c && /tmp/hello < 1412636280 969401 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1412636294 407341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lgtm < 1412636300 835310 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1412636317 990 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like the raw char data for it or something? < 1412636348 377901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The character sheet, as it were. < 1412636407 372025 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1412636424 414517 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat gcccomp < 1412636424 828291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ LANG="$1" \ echo >>"$2" \ \ case "$LANG" in \ c) \ HEAD='#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \nint main(int argc, char **argv) {\nint main(void) { printf("Calling main from itself not supported.\n"); exit(1); }\n' \ TAIL='; return 0; }' \ < 1412636432 646896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That program is also way too long. What is it doing? < 1412636438 435656 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./gcccomp < 1412636438 974490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/gcccomp: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/gcccomp: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1412636459 142852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LordCreepity: Better to explore with /msg HackEgo once you go past a few lines (unless you're showing something in the channel). < 1412636479 425946 :LordCreepity!~davis@cpe-74-129-137-239.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1412636539 214120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1412636826 779968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1412636826 994701 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1412637181 379167 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1412637220 436893 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 QUIT : < 1412637545 76551 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXPLORATIVE CHICKEN < 1412638595 370081 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1412639409 370575 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.89.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1412639643 344900 :nisstyre!yourstruly@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe69:7f3d JOIN :#esoteric < 1412639700 228517 :nisstyre!yourstruly@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fe69:7f3d QUIT :Changing host < 1412639700 442761 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric