< 1411430644 268143 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat106.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411431179 369826 :Guest81248!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk NICK :Puntastic < 1411431188 764882 :Puntastic!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Changing host < 1411431188 915455 :Puntastic!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411431347 672861 :Puntastic!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu_ < 1411431639 269893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what nobody told eddieconroy is that this #esoteric is just as prone to people thinking we're crazy as the other #esoteric < 1411431770 2167 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a bit unnatural to be so fascinated by something so abstract. < 1411431776 481935 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1411431951 190491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've considered bitching about fizzie using the same prefix for zemhill as for EgoBot, but i think zemhill obliterates the last real reason for keeping EgoBot alive so... < 1411432248 700006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought it just handled !bfjoust specifically < 1411432262 64163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, it's just as fine as glogbackup doing the same job as glogbot < 1411432269 435308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, why are they /both/ here? < 1411432358 294372 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for backup < 1411432370 234416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Gregor has given up on understanding why glogbackup keeps coming < 1411432398 829935 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we shouldn't hassle globackup about doing its fucking job how about that huh < 1411432410 847447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except if EgoBot _did_ return, we'd have two inconsistent hills < 1411432421 484588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that both reacted to the same command < 1411432445 402055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that'd be fine too, it'd make constant-tweaking harder < 1411432454 112565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1411432491 872143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1411432683 765490 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've given up on a lot of things. < 1411432852 88464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is EgoBot officially dead < 1411432986 605929 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may bother to revive it. < 1411432993 672825 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why it's down, and haven't bothered to check. < 1411433048 993638 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1411433240 662436 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that other elements of "life" are time consuming. < 1411433253 351879 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411433264 187062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1411433326 505464 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In more positive news, bacon is deliciousness itself. < 1411433524 673050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really wish people would stop it with the bacon thing < 1411433547 637054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well jew _would_ say that. < 1411433572 398985 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only say this because I am about to make some bacon. < 1411433586 612479 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For I hunger, and have bacon. < 1411433594 544214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have chocolate-covered peanuts. who wins? < 1411433602 712747 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody. < 1411433610 999741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i'm vegetarian hth < 1411433612 248935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how reasonable. < 1411433625 54598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1411434362 233559 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would certainly make keeping kosher easier. < 1411434418 123369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't know < 1411434435 611301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, i do know, vaguely. but it's not the sort of thing i pay attention to) < 1411434472 923258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.arizona.edu/~savitt/GTM.html < 1411437858 620140 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.92.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411437952 902390 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1411438541 99467 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.92.237 NICK :AndoDaan < 1411438960 334934 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411439342 623689 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.92.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411439412 436420 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-rpiigagbpdmtqivk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411439595 896578 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.76.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411440207 344468 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1411440942 318626 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1411441219 260581 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo... dangit < 1411441246 578717 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 Do you have opinions on the speed of various interpreters? Supposedly this game is very impacted by such things http://emshort.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/counterfeit-monkey/ < 1411441246 752875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1411441579 161002 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1411441609 678153 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1411442020 175562 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.78.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411442122 896994 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.76.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1411442496 184400 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.73.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411442641 175431 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.78.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1411443339 351446 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1411444228 202940 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411444506 411172 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1411445055 829059 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411445831 126895 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1411446192 961629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's with the thing where people call anything with "forall" in it "existential" < 1411446198 694315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did this start < 1411446232 437849 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all haskell's fault < 1411446240 701576 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was the opposite of existential < 1411446244 413370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1411446261 951812 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in much of haskell, the place you're most likely to find it is in an existential < 1411446287 535737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existentials are pretty rare in Haskell code compared to universals. < 1411446287 920483 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't understand why it's there or have a formal grounding, it seems fairly natural to assume it somehow means existential < 1411446300 580007 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the universals almost never use the forall keyword unless you're rank-2ing < 1411446376 494736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i ∀x. means x is scoped, right? < 1411446393 287326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's odd that so many people gravitate so strongly toward this misuse. < 1411446536 166490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard construction of the reals where a real number r is a function : Q -> Q where you give it an error and it gives you a rational approximation within that error? < 1411446577 240820 :BotAndAndAdo!~BotAndAnd@188.189.73.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411446834 242499 :BotAndAndAdo!~BotAndAnd@188.189.73.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1411446851 68805 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1411447166 490276 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like computable reals but without the computable part? < 1411447206 242259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1411447525 382531 :paul2520!~pi@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411448267 950946 :BotAndAndAdo!~BotAndAnd@188.189.73.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411448280 100421 :BotAndAndAdo!~BotAndAnd@188.189.73.0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1411449744 769840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My thinking was that people keep trying !bfjoust (well, it happened at least once) so it'd be nice if that did something, and I can always switch keywords if EgoBot does come back. < 1411449767 564876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1411450258 977012 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel (>+>-)*4>+[>(-)*128.+] < 1411450259 859492 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul.firstlel: points -32.45, score 6.84/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411450269 210560 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, rank 47/47 < 1411450279 203892 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel (>+>-)*4[>(-)*128.+] < 1411450279 542633 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul.firstlel: points -31.95, score 7.26/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411450287 767385 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly better :P < 1411450336 7781 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel (>+>-)*4(>(-)*128)*21 < 1411450336 304556 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul.firstlel: points -37.02, score 0.80/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411450351 356563 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow that's much worse for some reason < 1411450366 23553 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel (>+>-)*4(>(-)*128.)*21 < 1411450366 348196 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul.firstlel: points -29.57, score 8.51/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411450370 957392 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1411450372 450669 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1411450503 87342 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel >+>-(>(-)*128.)*28 < 1411450503 442414 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul.firstlel: points -35.52, score 5.97/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411450509 633375 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's worse < 1411450512 912976 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust firstlel (>+>-)*4(>(-)*128.)*21 < 1411450513 258545 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul.firstlel: points -29.57, score 8.51/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411450761 976883 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411450791 179640 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust MeatYouBait >>>>>------>+++++++>----->(<++++++<--)*4(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*7 < 1411450791 962237 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan_.MeatYouBait: points -34.02, score 2.69/100, rank 47/47 < 1411450794 177150 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.73.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1411450805 104759 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1411450880 767702 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 NICK :AndoDaan < 1411450902 456868 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate [ < 1411450902 651173 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: error: parse error: starting [ without a matching ] < 1411450911 250916 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate < 1411450911 401813 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: "!bfjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation. < 1411450932 914132 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*7 < 1411450933 315699 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -6.55, score 25.96/100, rank 34/47 (change: --) < 1411451008 988955 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)*1([(+)*14[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)([(-)*5[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*7 < 1411451040 967122 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)*1([(+)*14[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)([(-)*5[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*7 < 1411451041 826730 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -9.33, score 22.52/100, rank 46/47 (change: -7) < 1411451080 729128 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)*1([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*1[-]]>)([(-)*7[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*-1 < 1411451081 242760 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -6.33, score 26.57/100, rank 32/47 (change: +14) < 1411451105 968200 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, look at that < 1411452093 470699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1411452114 896303 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411452224 979070 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.68.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1411452348 59267 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.86.187 NICK :AndoDaan < 1411452642 522149 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-33-107.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1411452976 524027 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.86.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust MeatYouBait >>>>>---->+++++++>--->(<+++<--)*4(>)*10(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)*1([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*6[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*7 < 1411452977 63509 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.MeatYouBait: points -16.95, score 14.80/100, rank 47/47 < 1411453585 409928 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.85.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411453591 44913 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.85.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust MeatYouBait >>>>>---->+++++++>--->(<+++<--)*4(>)*10(([(+)*3[-]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>)([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)([(-)*4[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*-1 < 1411453591 885639 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan_.MeatYouBait: points -20.38, score 12.77/100, rank 47/47 < 1411453612 896582 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.86.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1411453622 644196 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.85.71 NICK :AndoDaan < 1411453709 965156 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.85.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust MeatYouBait (>+++>---->++++++>--->)*4(<+++<--)*4(>)*10(([(+)*3[-]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>)([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)([(-)*4[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*-1 < 1411453710 316967 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.MeatYouBait: points -20.45, score 14.55/100, rank 47/47 < 1411453746 88407 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.85.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust MeatYouBait (>+++>---->++++++>--->)*2(---<+++<--)*4(>)*10(([(+)*3[-]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>)([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)([(-)*4[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*-1 < 1411453746 804841 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.MeatYouBait: points -12.60, score 20.01/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411453853 887902 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.85.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust MeatYouBait (>+++>---->++++++>---)*2(<---<+++<--)*3(>)*7(+)*24(>)*2(([(+)*3[-]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>)([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*9[-]]>)([(-)*4[+]]>)*3([(+)*7[-]]>))*-1 < 1411453854 221524 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.MeatYouBait: points -45.33, score 0.30/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411454038 556397 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1411454066 447342 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.92.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411454146 409913 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.85.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1411454156 157582 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.92.145 NICK :AndoDaan < 1411455662 816599 :pi____!~pi@54-18.207.85.static.bluetone.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1411459297 758552 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhflqdogxqksdfit QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1411460548 301940 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.94.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411460620 423833 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.92.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1411460643 519042 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.188.94.178 NICK :AndoDaan < 1411460952 496820 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-uzyxudshhnzjtwuc JOIN :#esoteric < 1411460983 830205 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1411461084 49547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: I'll be back later < 1411461812 515335 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411463710 801171 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebode takes over an oauth2server all clients are pretty much screwed < 1411463713 656691 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*somebody < 1411463744 789517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you get your access token from it < 1411463770 888223 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that access token you ask oauthsrv for stuff like the user's username etc. < 1411463795 551150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you display SELECT * from usr_secrets WHERE uname = < 1411463840 708930 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if somebody manipulates the connection from foosrv to oauthsrv you can respond foosrv with an arbitrary username < 1411463915 577787 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if somebody can hack the oauthsrv < 1411463922 136733 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can also hack pretty much every client < 1411463939 974784 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.94.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How like is it for somebody to take over an oauth2server? < 1411464603 639292 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :very < 1411464654 895265 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.94.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds alarming. < 1411465121 846791 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :OAuth2 isn't really a single-sign-on system? < 1411465390 233836 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.94.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know. < 1411465484 341382 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1411466887 876881 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411467052 694921 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411467789 290183 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1411468544 278608 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.94.178 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1411468604 808880 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.83.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411468782 495495 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411469402 580666 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45ECA.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1411469936 265514 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1411469955 857460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411470008 244777 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strangely dark outside. kinda disturbing, too. < 1411470209 661030 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1411470567 337045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1411470993 698826 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ERODED CHICKEN < 1411473706 363358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411473952 395577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1411474212 713234 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411474315 966690 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.83.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411474530 499911 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411474580 420925 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host < 1411474580 581931 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1411474846 845490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what a cookie named __cfduid is generated by? it looks like a session cookie, but a) servers try to set it in images (one of my pet hates, it just means you get a bunch of contradictory session cookies), b) the name is common to tons of websites so it seems like it must be generated by some framework < 1411475040 733293 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411475049 893552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/59226/disable-cfduid-cookie-from-cloudflare < 1411475120 773555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that does not answer the question what it's used for though. The reference to security is flimsy at best. I would treat it as a tracking cookie.) < 1411475152 74386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that might be it < 1411475166 47377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also explains why it's on every page load, cloudflare probably doesn't look into the internals of pages < 1411475196 519203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "makes security work". < 1411475247 937959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: actually I'd translate that as "trust us, we know what we're doing" < 1411475314 796303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The __cfduid cookie is used to override any security restrictions based on the IP address the visitor is coming from. For example, if the visitor is in a coffee shop where there are a bunch of infected machines, but the visitor's machine is known trusted, then the cookie can override the security setting. It does not correspond to any userid in the web application, nor does the cookie store ... < 1411475320 868338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... any personally identifiable information. < 1411475321 191439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what their own support site writes. < 1411475324 197511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: This cookie is strictly necessary for site security operations and can't be turned off." < 1411475373 448493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just reject it < 1411475375 382621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :client-side < 1411475407 967978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, strikes me that that's exploitable simply by people sharing cookies < 1411475423 487809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's my next step, after randomly rejecting and accepting them < 1411475539 837478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, __cfduid doesn't seem to serve its intended purpose well because it's from the website's domain, not cloudflare's < 1411475605 594725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nor does the cookie store any personally identifiable information" < 1411475671 979832 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1411475691 46574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard copout, technically correct, but for all non-legal intends and purposes a straight lie. < 1411475768 931400 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you wish http://heh.fi/tmp/recaptcha-%C5%BFide.png < 1411475783 590263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The "website's domain" generally points at cloudflare's proxy servers, though, doesn't it? < 1411475941 977525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, it's normally the website that humans visit < 1411475957 110500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cookies are associated to the name not the IP < 1411476132 617759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I thought with CloudFlare the server that gets the human's request for www.example.com is CloudFlare's. < 1411476144 362559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they'd see cookies when getting to decide what to do. < 1411476241 504053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their tracking job gets so much easier if they have their own tracking cookie rather than having to identify each site's own cookies. < 1411476673 398203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is, they have a different own cookie for each site they accessed < 1411476759 110397 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages "丙正正 – Chinese C++" < 1411476789 227767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true, but cloudfare can related them based on IP addresses < 1411476999 144075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that completely defeats the point of a tracking cookie < 1411477013 407461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let's use some other method to identify people, so that we can figure out which person this tracking cookie belongs to" < 1411477105 469395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't. you get more reliable correlations. Same IP visiting site A, then B, then A again with A's cookie gives a pretty high confidence that B was the same ... well router. < 1411477140 161801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, it could well be two different people on the same router, one visiting site A, one visiting site B < 1411477151 267770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how the use of A's cookie gives you any additional useful information < 1411477221 709844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for many users, IP addresses change regularly. < 1411477256 365029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from mobile use, IP addresses tend not to change very quickly < 1411477265 182998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not perfect, but having such a cookie gives you quite a bit more data than pure IP addresses. < 1411477267 534944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: observing the effectiveness of blocks at Wikipedia) < 1411477271 127220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main exception was AOL < 1411477303 12707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my home ip address does change quickly < 1411477304 784717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually, Wikipedia blocked the whole of AOL from editing until AOL put a unique ID for each of their users in the headers, so that it was possible to distinguish one AOL user from another < 1411477333 694200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Germany users experience forced reconnnects every 24 hours, and get a new IP afterwards. < 1411477341 808164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the work ip address very rarely changes, and the university machine (from where I've connected to this irc) has an absolutely fixed ip address < 1411477388 766682 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1411477388 937173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, my internet connection at home is much more reliable than the one at work < 1411477413 897234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one at work has serious problems both at the local network connections and the internet connection :-( < 1411477511 396046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, yes, you get a site based tracking cookie, but I disagree with your assessment that it's worthless; it lets you identify users after IP changes and get a better idea of when those IP changes happen, so it's a significant improvement over tracking just based on IPs. < 1411477545 595839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention that the cloudflare cookie breaks the EU cookie laws (the site doesn't say what it's for) < 1411477553 851559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, fwiw, almost every site in existence breaks the EU cookie laws < 1411477565 901544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't; I don't set any cookies I don't need to, and I don't need any cookies < 1411477588 304573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's "EU cookie laws"? so that's what all the pointless crazy cookie warnings on websites are for these days? < 1411477592 463016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of these? < 1411477662 406324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: websites were setting cookies they shouldn't have been < 1411477675 443050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the EU told them to warn about cookies, explain what they were used for, and not include any unnecessary cookies < 1411477691 470630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most websites are adding a generic "this website uses cookies" warning, which probably doesn't comply with the restrictions < 1411477698 181022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than actually, you know, bringing cookie use down to a sane level < 1411477725 998309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want the theory or the practice? (in theory, users will make an informed choice of what kind of cookies they find acceptable and not use sites or site features which they find intruding on their privacy too much. in practice, I think you just have more policies to accept blindly before you can use sites.) < 1411477769 252973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I already reject cookies that don't have an obvious good reason < 1411477771 443929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like 99% of them < 1411477784 452809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have little confidence in a court ever ruling cookies unnecessary, there's too much technobabble for justifying their use. < 1411477785 703972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only ones I accept are cookies to retain login data (either per-session, or longer) < 1411477800 251514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, put it this way: if I reject most of the cookies and the site still works < 1411477802 471312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they weren't necessary < 1411477803 542862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same here, and maybe that's true for 1% of the web users. < 1411477824 889064 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookiechoice.eu < 1411477826 531013 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't really matter. < 1411477872 35507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it matters to me, you know how long it takes to click through all the cookie accept/reject boxes? < 1411477881 910884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know < 1411477899 913774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since I'm using firefox which is really awful at rejecting cookies the first time. < 1411477909 970424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when they come with images, say) < 1411477959 218549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :-( < 1411477963 854772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily you can hold down alt-d < 1411477991 119255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, this is the first time I've told someone that I manually accept cookies, and the response has been "I do that too" rather than people telling me I'm an idiot < 1411477992 621863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1411478026 489546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that too, but then I got too lazy, when switching browsers. < 1411478064 916393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a second browser with no persistent storage, for websites that are particularly badly written (e.g. Flash users) < 1411478073 280022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also doing cookies manually broke far too many payment/ordering systems. In retrospect, should've really made a separate browser profile for that. < 1411478083 439205 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I could disable cookies by default but I use the cookie dialog to catch webbugs, which I try to add to my adblock list) < 1411478105 61839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I learned that that needs a separate profile quite a while ago < 1411478121 686693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I automatically accept all cookies these days, and only very rarely delete a few particular ones. < 1411478175 360286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got Chromium set to "keep local data only until you quit your browser" mode, though. < 1411478179 707455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, do you also find the inconsistent spelling of firefox' command line options annoying? I mean this: firefox -ProfileManager -no-remote < 1411478193 165819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: firefox has that too, sure, and other browsers too < 1411478204 886673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: huh? I spell that as firefox -p -no-remote < 1411478232 292485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, that would work < 1411478233 750952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually I just have a script that invokes firefox with a particular profile like firefox -no-remote -P SomeProfile < 1411478245 412545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I rarely want to type this manually < 1411478251 43836 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still inconsistent. < 1411478256 561675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1411478314 888243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I'm running a firefox with an alternate profile for a particular broken internal website. the website has since been mostly fixed so it's now not as broken, but I'll keep it in the alternate profile for a few months until that's proven < 1411478389 914828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re the EU thing, the "in practice" meaning seems to have converged to some sort of a top/bottom bar you have to click to close. < 1411478435 82818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/ is a conventional example, where it's a top bar if you don't have it done. < 1411478463 691261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say they need to tell what the cookies are for? Well, they're there "to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website". < 1411478480 440449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1411478480 602895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a better experience on your device, try our mobile site. < 1411478493 993812 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hmm, I'm in Japan atm < 1411478504 833762 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and also they give you the choice of opting out, by telling you how to disable cookies in your browser < 1411478514 205372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's a more complete info page, which many sites probably lack. < 1411478546 13078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that groups them into categories and lists the names and all that. < 1411478562 556272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks the same when proxied via germany. I don't have javascript enabled and I guess that makes some difference :/ < 1411478601 740725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently clicking to "more information" was also enough to disable the prompt, since now the bar is gone. < 1411478617 410975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I've been sufficiently informed, so it counts. < 1411478622 849834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's what I was about to say < 1411478722 717942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zem.fi sets no cookies, or at least it should not. < 1411478763 155701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: firefox agrees with you, fwiw < 1411478784 493949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome's resource inspector says there's two items in local storage for zem.fi, though: 'showIcon' with a value of true, and an 'urlBlackList' with a random-looking string of website domains. < 1411478796 639223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wikipedia,tuenti.com,faqoverflow.com,postrank.com,mail.google.,mail.yahoo.,docs.google.com,facebook.,twitter.com,//feedly.com,netvibes.com,acidtests.org,bloglovin.com" < 1411478797 358213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever get round to running your BF stats thing, btw? < 1411478801 88092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a one-off would be interesting < 1411478803 516774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BF Joust < 1411478814 78321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're at http://zem.fi/egostats/ < 1411478819 775065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The names is a bit misleading now. < 1411478825 15951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/names/name/ < 1411478842 731755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And summary table has the "wrong" sort order. < 1411478843 96904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts margins last :-) < 1411478876 338449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the margins row/column are beautifully gray < 1411478881 413222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grey < 1411478915 302044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's the greyest program. < 1411478928 185322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1411478936 348170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_p20_pscores.png -- which is just a graphical illustration of the breakdown -- is also pretty grey. < 1411478951 243674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the per-tape-length chart for it is a really good illustration of the strategy < 1411478963 991863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :red on 10, faint red on 11, grey or slightly bluish grey the rest of the way < 1411478975 125615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: margins never goes below cell 12 under any circumstances < 1411479003 913286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :grey goo < 1411479072 583454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see preparation is screwing up the overall duel length chart < 1411479139 540398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's screwing up the "where on the tape these programs live" chart; as the first program that spends most of its time in the vicinity of cell 7, it's put the line right behind the legend < 1411479173 174992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1411479184 78022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I put the legend top-middle because it has conventionally been empty. < 1411479249 803520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell 8, actually < 1411479252 130926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well < 1411479261 48192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never figured out whether the cells are numbered starting at 0 or 1 < 1411479266 575520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of my comments are inconsistent < 1411479318 702413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see those things more clearly in the per-program plots, like http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_p24_ptapeheat.png for preparation. < 1411479338 32969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The averaged plot is a bit smooshed up since it averages across tape lengths. < 1411479371 646733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1411479377 751744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapeheat is actually a really good way to identify strategies < 1411479389 862037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hilarious for margins, it basically explains the entire strategy in one graph < 1411479391 684343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about -4.5, -3.5, ..., 4.5 for tape length 10, etc. ;-) < 1411479397 388835 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1411479398 530282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preparation's is a little more unclear < 1411479407 846764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you know where your flag is, but not the enemy's < 1411479417 854077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :P < 1411479419 366234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and comments are normally talking about what knowledge your program has < 1411479437 593920 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1411479437 753991 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411479473 710446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the choice is completely arbitrary. you could have your home flag at 42, and the opponent's between 13 and 33... < 1411479484 140182 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411479487 171092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it probably requires a change to your instrumentation, but "average changes made by this program to each cell" would be interesting too < 1411479507 417320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need to be logarithmic, though, some programs (increase) will raise cells by 100000 :-) < 1411479515 841633 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1411479570 34265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do that, and yes, it needs one more thing to track in cranklance. < 1411479605 217382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :growth has a pretty neat heatmap too, actually < 1411479617 636423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojsout gives a better idea of what it's doing, but even the heatmap gives a pretty good idea < 1411479645 99797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing that's /really/ encouraging about growth is that the brightest red is the enemy flag < 1411479652 705667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that basically never happens, and means that my strategy is working < 1411479671 138510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun fact: if a program starts unexpectedly winning against growth, I actually check that program to see if it's buggy) < 1411479681 306170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have caught more than one bug in my programs like that) < 1411479682 514645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a local EgoJSout installation at http://zem.fi/bfjoust/game/ now, but it's missing some features, like the permalink button does nothing at the moment. (You can make permalinks if you guess the URL syntax, though.) < 1411479698 706897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that < 1411479703 765063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it disallows editing the programs? < 1411479712 914621 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45ECA.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1411479751 768815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't do that, but I could've broken something. < 1411479771 235047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the textfields disabled, or does it do something stupid if you do try to edit? < 1411479779 645752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disabled, IIRC < 1411479786 654730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was from a while ago < 1411479795 316283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. Yeah, they were that before this morning. < 1411479826 626596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice for the matrix to link to egojsout < 1411479854 768619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now editing a program just switches the dropdown to the blank option, and disables the permalink button, since I'm only going to make that work for programs it can fetch from the gitweb URLs. < 1411479867 164924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, that's some serious stats you have generated there < 1411479868 429047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I just didn't get there yet. < 1411479879 33046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that seems sensible < 1411479935 598049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411479949 653484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411479979 136086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is there any easy way (e.g. not showing the trace by default) to make egojsout faster on very slow programs? < 1411479987 145840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought about adding a "submit this program" button there too, but it's a bit of a tradeoff: it could help reach people not interested in IRC, but it'd also remove an incentive to come here and talk about bfjoust. < 1411479988 281488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep running margins in it, then wishing I hadn't < 1411479994 825232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course both scenarios are somewhat hypothetical.) < 1411480014 263860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd save needing to have your own webserver to submit long programs < 1411480030 188778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it could announce the results in-channel, and give a link to Freenode's web interface ;-) < 1411480032 502607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can use a pastebin for that < 1411480038 681429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, probably best to keep it to IRC, to keep down spambots < 1411480040 344949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not easily < 1411480045 504838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most pastebins HTML-escape even the raw view < 1411480054 129406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge works but isn't exactly very web-friendly < 1411480055 636146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do they now? I don't think so < 1411480056 787505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try < 1411480103 238104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, this is text/plain => http://dpaste.com/09VYENJ.txt < 1411480131 557985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it is text/plain for reals, but you've cleverly chosen a program with no <>s for your example. :) < 1411480136 80510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? in that case it's probably vulnerable to the IE XSS attack < 1411480145 527999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: besides, html escaping doesn't even break bf programs < 1411480159 861767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1411480162 270649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> can't move right < 1411480172 451190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... true < 1411480173 322632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1411480197 268495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new esolang idea: HTML-BF < 1411480203 471189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's BF except < and > are < and > < 1411480209 501871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will revolutionarise computing < 1411480211 957272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE XSS attack? is that the one where IE decides the page is html even if it's actually announced as plain text by the webserver? < 1411480214 690944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes < 1411480219 309544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1411480230 775152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone sent oerjan to a shock site like that a while back via injecting JS into the #esoteric logs < 1411480243 307380 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the latest version of IE that did that? < 1411480255 443738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know 8 does, not sure about newer < 1411480263 636882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee... strange < 1411480286 828675 :pi____!~pi@54-18.207.85.static.bluetone.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1411480326 641891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try < 1411480365 574650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, browsershots.org doesn't have any MSIE version other than 8.0 < 1411480367 635772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't try < 1411480379 954029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsershots has really collapsed by not keeping up with the times < 1411480391 71149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get screenshots from old Opera but not from anything recent < 1411480395 365878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1411480396 361204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1411480406 799905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://code.google.com/p/browsersec/wiki/Part2#Survey_of_content_sniffing_behaviors has a table, but it only goes up to 8. < 1411480417 307116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did install IE6 on Linux (most recent version that runs well) in order to test that sites work in IE < 1411480420 448936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know their page is broken when trying to shoot pages with urls containing a question mark. they don't escape it somewhere. < 1411480424 207180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I disconnect from the Internet whenever I use it < 1411480435 205029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Windows 8.1 comes with something newer, I could just copy the HTML to the Windows partition < 1411480437 164663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1411480466 49811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'd test with IE 6, but I have tested with IE 8 or some other new version at some point from a windows machine. A bit. Not much. < 1411480544 248904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do much web development either though. < 1411480570 425535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do much, but I've done some < 1411480589 115133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember writing a database engine in JS, where the entire database + indexes were all one JSON literal generated previously via a separate Perl script < 1411480639 977040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... ok < 1411480651 919443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently on IE8 onwards you can work around it by adding a "X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff" header. < 1411480657 871535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dpaste doesn't seem to do that.) < 1411480708 175219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great design just there, requiring sites to send custom headers specific to your browser in order to avoid a security bug < 1411480716 975901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I wrote with javascript is a form where you can repeat a particular input field any number of times because you can want to add any number of that particular data. < 1411480727 208986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I made sure it works even without javascript < 1411480734 579843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: server-side? < 1411480745 903061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping there's some way to do it with really convoluted CSS < 1411480749 549521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there probably isn't :-( < 1411480751 293492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :server-side, yes < 1411480790 185144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the 'raw' links from gitweb are 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1'. < 1411480801 309880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should probably check where that charset value is coming from. < 1411480832 898830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have no javascript, then any such field shows up twice by default, but if you fill all copies of such a field and hit preview, you get one more copy < 1411480851 154135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$fallback_encoding: Gitweb assumes this charset when a line contains non-UTF-8 characters. -- The default is "latin1", aka. "iso-8859-1"." < 1411480854 275490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the main problem with margins is that it has close to a 0% chance of ever beating omnipotence < 1411480856 233701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus if you don't have javascript, a short usage notice about this shows < 1411480856 479277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that shouldn't be the case. < 1411480890 579253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eventually get it to work sane on all browsers I tried < 1411480906 615768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1411480910 588530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I have an idea < 1411481025 730510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the javascript code has to handle replicating the input box, together with making sure the label on the left and extra stuff on the right from the input field appear in a same way; plus when loading it enables a css so that the second input field and the usage note doesn't appear if you have javascript on < 1411481063 594325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :during that, I found that browsers handle alternate stylesheets in two different ways, so I have to be compatible with both < 1411481142 151020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I have something broken in my browser local config < 1411481158 738977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, here's the code for that replicatable field => http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=841827 < 1411481206 410151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually, I think there's something broken in this firefox version, or one of the plugins, not in my config < 1411481211 313607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1411481222 800243 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :azum4roll < 1411481258 373094 :azum4roll!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul < 1411481385 867390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck? < 1411481442 250879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some code specifically to beat full-tape clears but it wasn't running < 1411481442 925631 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1411481445 224985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got it working < 1411481480 719893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust margins http://nethack4.org/esolangs/margins.bfjoust < 1411481493 322101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will take a while :-) < 1411481494 377131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this firefox, it seems that in the settings if I disable page fonts, it doesn't even show text as monospaced when the page marks it as monospaced (not a particular monospaced font), not even if the site simply uses the tt tag < 1411481494 992117 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot got lots of messages built up for azum4roll so I ate them :P < 1411481498 535587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1411481520 715620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is clearly a bug, if I wanted the monospaced text to be not monospaced, I'd just change the default monospaced font to a non-monospaced font < 1411481534 311567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a bug in firefox, or in a plugin I have installed? < 1411481554 831139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be taking /that/ long, though < 1411481580 890355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's listed in breakdown < 1411481583 700147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill just hasn't posted here < 1411481628 173134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix hasn't been upsated < 1411481629 763336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*updated < 1411481645 886916 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be a plugin bug < 1411481687 376837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, htf is anticipation2 beating it < 1411481724 772369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, it hardly sets any decoys, meaning its counter-turtle works even at tape length 10 < 1411481754 653556 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's some sort of theory of perturbation applied to bfjoust programs to see which ones are more resilient and which are winning because of a particular set of decoy strategies or what-have-you < 1411481815 235134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: one thing I've considered is running repeatedly, with one program delayed 1 cycle, 2 cycles, 3 cycles, etc. at the start < 1411481829 189525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should throw off most constant-tweaking-related effects < 1411481839 354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the match is decisive, you should have a pretty sharp transition from winning to losing < 1411481850 609214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's to do with details of clashing decoys, the wins and losses will be all over the place < 1411481863 295725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's to do with things like probabilistic locks, you should get a repeating pattern < 1411482061 168047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has anyone hooked a full Sage interpreter to irc yet? with persistent state between lines, preferably < 1411482103 284906 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1411482108 903478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1411482353 216774 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like the hippie version of mathematica tweets < 1411483294 114105 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411483294 643031 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT! < 1411483475 806376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1411483501 779570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say about me that my immediate reaction to DootBot joining is "oh dear" < 1411483502 610198 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Tanelle- ass problem used a the listen again,! dunnl Moon like was rekt her the go? il Apple Leonys. < 1411483520 185526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EPgM I don't know why it didn't reply anything. < 1411483597 204769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the matrix doesn't appear to be loading: http://zem.fi/bfjoust/matrix/ < 1411483623 469371 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fungot < 1411483623 675750 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ' he ate more than the fnord of his dead self, he would surely rise to higher things! < 1411483643 387379 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411483668 724463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The JSON report file is empty. < 1411483679 222337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it < 1411483684 764879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust margins http://nethack4.org/esolangs/margins.bfjoust < 1411483690 5770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if we can just unstick it like this < 1411483690 901937 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.margins: points 2.38, score 45.65/100, rank 9/47 (change: --) < 1411483695 808098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1411483701 205686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's nonempty. < 1411483720 714128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what went wrong there, since it didn't output anything. < 1411483728 141468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it *is* the same place where it segfaulted, so. < 1411483933 222612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The interpreter has been tested only with a "Hello, world" brainfuck program, so it may contain horrible bugs. ← we have plenty of other test cases; Lost Kingdoms is a common one < 1411484095 410609 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.65.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411484293 398702 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.75.216 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1411484538 378917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40521&oldid=40400 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+10) 10/* summary/infobox */ perl has influenced < 1411484669 241628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40522&oldid=39610 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+168) 10/* Fortob */ new section < 1411484700 800884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40523&oldid=40522 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+0) 10/* Forobj */ < 1411485749 279727 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411485839 444583 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1411487097 377946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411487140 386429 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411487189 942313 :Sorella!~queen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host < 1411487190 154174 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1411487636 446049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40524&oldid=40521 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+630) 10/* Example code/99 bottles of beer */ new section < 1411487662 886600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40525&oldid=40524 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+18) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ < 1411487724 488321 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1411487737 491737 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411488460 735640 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411488532 28895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1411488533 510214 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411488776 514159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh. thanks. but i still have some imporvements that have been sitting on the backburner for a year... < 1411488805 929759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to see them, it's down to like #4 or #5 now < 1411488808 733210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on local conditions < 1411488829 70337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's one of the very few programs I can't consistently tune near-aribtrary strategies to beat < 1411488922 998635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned a lot getting growth to beat it (notably, this is without using any sort of cheating or special-casing, the changes that beat space_elevator helped against a bunch of other programs too) < 1411488973 900396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, its main weakness is its clear loop < 1411489020 439185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I'm muddling _elevator with _hotel < 1411489022 553618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i like that you use . as the separator now. I assume this is because valid IRC nicks can't contain .? < 1411489058 154240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_hotel has a better clear loop, I think < 1411489065 178916 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1411489065 329503 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "!bfjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation. < 1411489071 778128 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if the separator was > that could mean the nick goes in one cell and the program name in the next cell < 1411489083 12219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1411489104 930527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new project: get growth to beat space_hotel < 1411489144 374090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think growth is the future of BF Joust < 1411489176 360155 :atriq!90208ddb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.141.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411489179 649876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very close at the moment < 1411489192 778411 :atriq!90208ddb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.141.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am running into problems because templating engines aren't functional programming languages < 1411489216 655647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1411489235 58947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :template haskell? or future C++ where the compiler can do more stuff at compile time? < 1411489247 47602 :atriq!90208ddb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.141.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: jinja2, I'm afraid < 1411489277 532920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, _those_ kinds of templating languages < 1411489280 590198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the big problem is that space_hotel overpokes, which is almost impossible to beat something like growth < 1411489289 775824 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's quite a lot of fun watching growth run. it slowly grows its decoys while checking to see if they've been cleared? < 1411489295 158305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1411489310 646492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now i'm distracted from the work i need to be doing... < 1411489313 993429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, it assumes that the opponent started clearing at the ninth cell, and if it did, goes straight to the flag < 1411489318 760428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bfjous thing is crazy :) < 1411489332 538295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing is, if the opponent leaves a trail < 1411489345 268602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't see they were cleared "directly", but it'll shrink the trail while "growing" the decoy < 1411489357 528545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1411489361 440243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually the cell reads 0, at least on one polarity < 1411489390 266249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only way to throw it off is a) large trail or b) somehow match the trail with the original polarity < 1411489408 126759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which have downsides < 1411489409 217732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1411489410 188250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort of reminds me to Lambda: the Gathering, though it's a quite different game < 1411489437 268678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, most of growth's losses to space_hotel are due to the trail having the original polarity for long enough that you get too much of a head start < 1411489445 176239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably "large trail" is less of a disadvantage than it is an advantage in this case < 1411489449 619829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it juts wins via having a faster clear loop < 1411489452 296485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1411489467 638208 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411489475 676649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was an innovation I came up with a couple of days ago: basically you do an inflexible timer clear on a very short timer < 1411489490 62052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it hits a large decoy size (I arbitrarily chose 100), you turn off your offset clear on future tape cells < 1411489495 46276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just do a regular clear < 1411489502 540429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're not going to beat the enemy decoys anyway < 1411489524 114186 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1411489535 118508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time I've used a non-offset clear in /years/ < 1411489586 441723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, on kettle 24 < 1411489592 667203 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411489600 566470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :growth's decoys are smaller than your offset < 1411489602 971936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew this new hill implementation would spice things up here < 1411489608 352926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i don't get too distracted by it < 1411489616 182553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet growth /still/ wins < 1411489636 482544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this actually shocks me, and says a lot about constant tweaking < 1411489640 721856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because the flag is still high than the offset < 1411489717 105592 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has question: Do there exist positive integers a,b,c,d such that a²+b²=c² and a²/4+b²=d²? < 1411489732 204503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a homework question? < 1411489749 154997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess probably not, it sort-of looks like one though < 1411489752 340346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will become one if the answer is "yes" < 1411489762 128422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, reverse homework question, neat < 1411489762 476307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in this form < 1411489785 141915 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i will say yes without any thinking < 1411489791 851073 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because you will have to do homework < 1411489800 526747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remember the formula for generating solutions to a^2+b^2=c^2 < 1411489804 256442 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :your saying yes does not make the answer yes < 1411489805 531154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have Wikipedia, so I'll look it up < 1411489839 602543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m^2-n^2, 2mn, m^2+n^2 < 1411489858 758391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust assume1decoy >(>+>-)*3(>[ (>[+])*99])*99 < 1411489859 841751 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas.assume1decoy: points -18.67, score 15.29/100, rank 47/47 < 1411489882 818316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that sort of program /can/ work, but >[+] is a terrible clear loop for a fast rush program < 1411489903 733877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust assume1decoy2 >(>+>-)*3(>[ (>[+]..)*99])*99 < 1411489904 805145 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas.assume1decoy2: points -19.83, score 13.81/100, rank 47/47 < 1411489920 845825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that clear loop is even worse :-) < 1411489934 691114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, the best fast rush clear loops I know are quite long < 1411489955 955214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just want to try some simple strategies now < 1411489976 670457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust assume1decoy2 >(>+>-)*3(>[ (>(+)*120[+]..)*99])*99 < 1411489977 15966 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas.assume1decoy2: points -20.69, score 12.21/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411489989 373799 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< copumpkin> yes, but the universals almost never use the forall keyword unless you're rank-2ing – In Idris, of course, you use the dependent function syntax every time you want a dependent function, rather than just to construct existentials out of. < 1411489994 396991 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> (also, this is the first time I've told someone that I manually accept cookies, and the response has been "I do that too" rather than people telling me I'm an idiot) – I use CookieMonster for that purpose, so in total I have policy addons for scripts, cross-site requests, and cookies. < 1411490008 286691 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< int-e> heh, do you also find the inconsistent spelling of firefox' command line options annoying? I mean this: firefox -ProfileManager -no-remote – I find it more annoying that “-no-remote” is even necessary. Or actually, isn’t the current correct way to do it “-new-instance”? < 1411490031 170548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust heres_a_sample >(>+>-)*3(>[+[--[-[++++[(+)*100[+]>]-->++]++>+]+>-]->-])*21 < 1411490031 806839 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.heres_a_sample: points -20.71, score 13.10/100, rank 47/47 < 1411490047 994902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps I screwed up somewhere, that happens when you write clear loops from memory < 1411490050 961895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check egojsout < 1411490087 861040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, forgot the tripwire avoid < 1411490100 421754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust heres_a_sample >(>+>-)*3(>[>[+[--[-[++++[(+)*100[+]>]-->++]++>+]+>-]->-]])*21 < 1411490100 876293 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.heres_a_sample: points -15.71, score 17.32/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411490109 362809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that's starting to score now < 1411490112 88569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*score better < 1411490116 232445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1411490116 399336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it's still last < 1411490229 899760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I only went up to offset 2 < 1411490234 812093 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-014-114.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declare that the cutest program name listed is “Gregor.furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls”. < 1411490242 86694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust assume1decoy >(>+>-)*3(>[ (>(+)*123[+.+]..)*99])*99 < 1411490242 853700 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas.assume1decoy: points -26.50, score 8.10/100, rank 47/47 < 1411490246 163482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been known to go right up to 5 in that sort of clear loop, but at that point, you have to start writing loop escape mechanisms < 1411490252 867395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm messing around with the various pythagorean triple generating functions and it's not a way i'm able to think at the moment < 1411490266 323634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it quickly becomes too hard to fit into a oneline < 1411490268 104202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oneliner < 1411490284 191269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: deewiant could figure out how :P < 1411490289 429221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: have you tried to check for small solutions first? < 1411490295 630347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes < 1411490312 673740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some properties a solution must have < 1411490340 325498 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1411490342 28774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1411490343 247119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1411490346 459944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve it mod 2, and mod 3, to start off with < 1411490384 297437 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much how i count legal positions in Go < 1411490387 15910 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are finite fields, so you will always find solutions < 1411490392 714893 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are useless < 1411490407 127957 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i count mod 2^64-O(1) < 1411490407 829961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, mod 4, and 9, I mean < 1411490415 784284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you need mod 8 < 1411490431 425649 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't divide by 4 mod 4 < 1411490443 886438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you multiply instead < 1411490457 125554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, add d=a/2 < 1411490463 37031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can definitely multiply by 4 mod 4 < 1411490509 893717 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF92D79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1411490618 705871 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in any case it's possible to make this a homework question regardless of whether a pair exists < 1411490665 581484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it might be too hard for the students, we don't know what sort of class quintopia teaches < 1411490677 931917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes. (It used ~ for a while there, but I got some negative feedback about that.) < 1411491021 420285 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1411491223 573919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew where this whole #bisexualfacts thing started < 1411491231 988209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it amuses me < 1411491252 266952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A bisexual is a monoid in the category of endofunctors #bisexualfacts" < 1411491736 699718 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what the difference between football and rape is? < 1411491769 107688 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Women just hate rape. < 1411491778 854686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's normally a bad idea to bring rape jokes into any communication forum whatsoever < 1411491780 301929 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit! I fucked it up < 1411491785 64748 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hate football < 1411491808 198418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the fuckup came some time earlier than that < 1411491846 84684 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :naaah, also I mistook this channel from a different channel because of the bifact < 1411491860 636389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even really matter which channel it is < 1411491874 854166 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1411491879 771759 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Men don't date football.” < 1411491894 741092 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just means that I have another chance of tellign the joke right, in the right thannel :> < 1411491908 135267 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*channel < 1411491919 793544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: you'll be better off once you realise why the joke's a fundamentally bad idea < 1411491934 557487 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de97-172.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1411491953 882484 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you got something stick somewhere < 1411491957 230447 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stuck < 1411491977 121969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: this is what #xkcd has to say on the matter: http://www.xkcdb.com/6758 < 1411492016 535140 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tldr < 1411492040 245932 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411492044 141103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1411492045 950762 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411492076 705586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feature added: result matrix cells now links. (They invoke the EgoJSout autorun behavior, so clicking 'margins' links is potentially somewhat hazardous.) < 1411492110 867554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, margins is the BF Joust equivalent of trolling, in terms of bot behaviour < 1411492325 673946 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411492660 590904 :atriq!90208ddb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.141.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1411492663 326108 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-36-150.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411492746 242151 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411492759 870449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1411492762 480832 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1411492890 877815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1411492897 357412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411493621 358066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I found a bug in space_hotel: length 29 polarity inverted versus growth, it gets itself stuck in an infinite loop doing what looks like an anti-shudder < 1411493696 43960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is a good argument for antishudders being asymmetrical, although I do admit to having written [+--+] recently < 1411493734 712540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one innovation I'm wondering about for growth is to tune its growth loop so that it has a better chance of accidentally locking programs due to happening to grow at the right instant in their clear loop < 1411493997 527444 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1411494072 669604 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: next time that'll get you a +b < 1411494121 576202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even came with the op-insulting, too < 1411494127 131600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very close to a kick but I lost connection < 1411494140 114347 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your internet connection is too merciful < 1411494241 549887 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rap is not tragic :( < 1411494248 34693 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean some are i guess. < 1411494776 335783 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45ECA.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1411495048 789505 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbyyqkxqpfculmke JOIN :#esoteric < 1411495136 88996 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here who has played frog fractions? < 1411495159 101157 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: lol! you guys seem a tad i�verly sensitive < 1411495173 856891 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott_ > 1411495174 90883 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411495178 656497 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: it's fun < 1411495181 857133 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric Zuu :and you don't know how to take a hint < 1411495185 180676 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stuck < 1411495190 7917 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part < 1411495207 416544 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a wire on a strut, and a can under a spigot < 1411495218 401985 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't activate the spigot, or scoop up the goo with th can < 1411495303 831152 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that part < 1411495311 862542 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411495312 891225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: not objecting to that at all < 1411495318 677068 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I keep typing "ls" instead of "look" but it works anyways < 1411495326 436902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because I can't ever remember Zuu contributing anything useful < 1411495345 240304 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how does this go < 1411495347 753078 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the tape? < 1411495347 903594 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took some restraint not to add a +b < 1411495350 493712 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1411495353 827829 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's tape? < 1411495353 980679 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott_ > 1411495354 4252 NAMES :#esoteric < 1411495361 878016 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the machine < 1411495365 826729 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1411495365 977966 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :electrical tape or something < 1411495371 828229 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :to hold the note on I suppose < 1411495374 643541 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION experiments
< 1411495377 861677 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use it to fix the wire < 1411495386 61637 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looking at walkthrough, memory is hard.
< 1411495398 344693 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, something behind it < 1411495413 40926 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :covered in goop to render it unuseable -.- < 1411495424 80787 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it worked < 1411495465 340083 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, bacon < 1411495483 496767 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation was really interesting before I scanned up high enough to see that it's about frog fractions < 1411495490 100375 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like wtf are you doing < 1411495494 161554 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1411495510 324687 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You don't need to worry about the porn trading minigame at all - just order your staff to print money each turn, and buy the last upgrades" < 1411495540 802135 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :- game devs for pg game < 1411495603 836915 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't eat the note :( < 1411495616 787296 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking forward to frog fractions 2, which i have discovered through my spy network is half life three < 1411495685 105002 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goop is sleeping? < 1411495688 949096 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets more goop
< 1411495726 754257 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh... zorkmids? I thought that was a goop dispenser < 1411495748 958288 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1411495835 7497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1411495863 972733 :perrier!~perrier@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411495885 49391 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what's going on anymore < 1411495918 968873 :perrier!~perrier@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411496073 963380 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :>Score < 1411496084 32814 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know whith whom you want to score" < 1411496095 136719 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1411496098 739321 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :>Score with me < 1411496109 149847 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your score has gone up by three halves of a point" < 1411496125 10189 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do try to get onto the leaderboards < 1411496126 401526 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is amazing < 1411497065 908803 :shikhout!~shikhin@120.56.230.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411497094 134795 :shikhout!~shikhin@120.56.230.7 NICK :Guest73499 < 1411497168 653612 :Guest73499!~shikhin@120.56.230.7 QUIT :Client Quit < 1411497185 561487 :shikhout_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1411497264 27715 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411497300 847043 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the ddr part was rediculously difficult < 1411497314 328261 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've just got no groove < 1411497638 709246 :shikhout_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1411497788 445567 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I finished it < 1411497821 444776 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411497839 21099 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, a product sample for quality control http://i.imgur.com/wpwUbSW.png < 1411497870 917634 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another! http://i.imgur.com/gheWPmq.png < 1411497899 381842 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality is through the roof! < 1411497934 71396 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1411498106 6903 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the first time I played this I thought everyone was just making things up to confuse people < 1411498109 372508 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the light < 1411498119 834288 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i got bored in the first section < 1411498125 479325 :Bike!~Glossina@stepheast-v394-wired-gw.net.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is dumb" < 1411498294 681443 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to everyone else: It totally isn't just a fraction game < 1411498309 672282 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.83.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411498350 345116 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.188.65.179 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1411498964 557165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bike: the ddr part was rediculously difficult < 1411498981 75664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually matter how well you do in that section < 1411498985 229002 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :mashing buttons is cheating! < 1411498999 784976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: when elliott_ first linked me to frog fractions i thought it was called 'frog factions' < 1411499008 93035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was going to be some kind of frog-based strategy game < 1411499013 990210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :to this day i'm still a bit disappointed < 1411499017 469747 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's an rpg < 1411499032 434912 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude is lying. frog fractions is a game about learning and fractions and that is all there is to it. < 1411499044 470124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and about indignity! < 1411499443 3535 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidie < 1411499521 188825 :hvidie!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1411499537 903445 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1411500372 332121 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411500492 636547 :AndoDaan_!~Daanando@188.189.83.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411502423 5661 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>)*1([(+)*5[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([+++++++[-]]>))*-1 < 1411502424 21025 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -8.67, score 22.67/100, rank 44/47 (change: -13) < 1411502521 809174 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*3[-]]>))*-1 < 1411502522 220974 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -6.71, score 25.65/100, rank 35/47 (change: +9) < 1411502547 838182 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*3[-]]>))*-1 < 1411502548 821882 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -5.00, score 27.73/100, rank 29/47 (change: +6) < 1411502568 584561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-13+9+6 > 0 < 1411502600 564499 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cant be be too difficalt about elegance < 1411502623 102141 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking to increment up. < 1411502675 786315 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++>-)*2+>----->(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*3[-]]>))*-1 < 1411502676 805302 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -8.52, score 23.62/100, rank 40/47 (change: -11) < 1411502710 802862 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*3[-]]>))*-1 < 1411502711 906960 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -5.00, score 27.73/100, rank 29/47 (change: +11) < 1411502854 301816 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*3[-]]>[(-------)*3[+]]))*-1 < 1411502854 843646 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -5.00, score 27.73/100, rank 29/47 (change: --) < 1411502868 59675 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*3[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411502868 893687 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -5.00, score 27.73/100, rank 29/47 (change: --) < 1411502877 788835 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*3[-]]>[(------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411502878 836752 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -5.00, score 27.73/100, rank 29/47 (change: --) < 1411502908 892912 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411502909 921133 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -5.00, score 27.73/100, rank 29/47 (change: --) < 1411502946 927662 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411502948 93971 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -4.38, score 28.72/100, rank 27/47 (change: +2) < 1411503078 226361 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++)*3[-]]>[(-----)*4[+]]))*9([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))-1 < 1411503078 415913 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: error: parse error: terminating ) without a matching ( < 1411503112 224168 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++)*3[-]]>[(-----)*4[+]])*9([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))-1 < 1411503112 996003 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -39.17, score 2.35/100, rank 47/47 (change: -20) < 1411503149 662457 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++)*3[-]]>[(-----)*4[+]])*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))-1 < 1411503150 820988 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -39.17, score 2.35/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1411503179 866221 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411503180 236809 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -4.38, score 28.72/100, rank 27/47 (change: +20) < 1411503190 19278 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okey dokey. < 1411503252 462765 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gained 5 places with trial improvements. I'm coming for you Preperation < 1411503388 152514 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45ECA.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1411503661 380612 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3[-]>([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411503778 372836 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3[>>[-]]([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411503778 922909 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -4.60, score 28.44/100, rank 27/47 (change: +4) < 1411503814 866589 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3[>>>[-]]([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411503815 811457 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -4.60, score 28.79/100, rank 26/47 (change: +1) < 1411503821 870841 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3[>>>[-]]([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411503822 840916 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -4.60, score 28.79/100, rank 26/47 (change: --) < 1411503858 738866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1411503871 323928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what those sporadic problems are all about. < 1411503888 504239 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the input is identical < 1411503908 488957 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't seem to react until I send a new one twice < 1411503953 378748 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate (>------>+++++++)*4(+)*5>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3[>>>[-]]([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411503953 872415 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -4.10, score 29.43/100, rank 24/47 (change: +2) < 1411503974 669010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, it did the actual running just fine, it's just that some of the (NMatrix-based) score computations it does when writing the JSON report (for the website) make it do weird things. < 1411504012 219874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should try to either upgrade to the latest, or back down from the 0.1.0-rc5 I installed to 0.0.9. < 1411504035 284883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just annoying to compile, because of the not-enough-memory reasons. < 1411504207 284222 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.94.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1411504271 265574 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411505661 345329 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1411506052 894763 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n1 < 1411506071 942479 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate +(>------>+++++++)*4(+)*5>---[(+)*6[-]>>>>>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>[(+)*5[-]]>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*3[>>>[-]]([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1]>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>[(+)*5[-]]>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*3[>>>[-]]([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411506072 347459 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -6.60, score 26.62/100, rank 32/47 (change: -8) < 1411506112 893104 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust BeatYouMate +(>------>+++++++)*4(+)*5>(([(+)*6[-]]>)*3>([(+)*5[-]]>>)*1([(+)*8[-]]>)*3[>>>[-]]([+[-]]>)([(-)*6[+]]>)*3([(+++++++)*6[-]]>[(-------)*4[+]]))*-1 < 1411506113 302618 :zemhill!bfjoust@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -4.45, score 28.89/100, rank 25/47 (change: +7) < 1411506148 771581 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1411506168 61207 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to gain a better score by tailoring your code too much to one bot is a bad idea < 1411506263 297061 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 QUIT : < 1411506372 840574 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1411506740 900269 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411506885 633809 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bicyclidine < 1411507518 835312 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1411508051 158943 :pallokolmio!~muukalain@190-22-147-224.baf.movistar.cl JOIN :#esoteric < 1411508259 262805 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1411508371 300174 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1411508381 856416 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bicyclidine < 1411508660 446568 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411509053 318113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what language is zemhill written in? < 1411509270 388927 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1411509627 441832 :S1!~sheldon@p4FF92D79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH" - Konfuzius < 1411509901 668327 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1411510020 999441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ruby. < 1411510060 989483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I had one written in Python for all of maybe a day. < 1411510091 970954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't managed to find a plausible reason for the Ruby rewrite. Cosmic rays flipping bits, perhaps? < 1411510121 2881 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistical certainty < 1411510190 759707 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: does the game viewer http://zem.fi/bfjoust/game/ calculated the matches exactly like your ruby script? < 1411510262 737888 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Egojsout.js < 1411510263 800624 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411510282 953090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not Ruby that's running the games; that's gearlance/gearlanced, written in C. < 1411510285 961927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming Taneb meant the bot. < 1411510366 233406 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. He could have. I thought you meant ruby interprets and runs the matches, with only js beings used if you wanna watch a game. < 1411510422 75577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gearlance/gearlanced is automatically tested against EgoJSout, though with a fixed set of programs; currently, about 60: all the examples from the wiki plus a snapshot of the codu.org hikk from October 2013. < 1411510488 83521 :scounder!~scounder@2a01:7a0:10:151:236:17:48:1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411510533 517349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might consider having the test scripts also use zemhill submissions from now on, though then I'd have to switch from the n^2 full-round-robin format at some point. < 1411510537 791375 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grand. Not that I had any worries about it. < 1411510575 882413 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was kinda spamming the chat with my adjustments earlier. Sorry about that < 1411510636 945575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite okay; it's what it is there for. < 1411510669 388987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1411510741 302418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Now that I think of it, I have a feeling the (node.js-ified?) EgoJSout copy I have for testing gearlance against is significantly faster; I may have ripped the tracing out. Possibly an option for the web version for slow programs. < 1411510742 77045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1411510751 577183 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted also ask/suggest, if it was possible to toggle the debugger box output in esjoustTrace.js ? < 1411510786 11189 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@62.205.90.151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's a long match, the abundance of updates grinds my browser to a halt. < 1411510870 561853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 asked the same earlier. I don't know too much about EgoJSout (not my code), but it runs the tests quite fast (IIRC) so I probably did something to it. < 1411512672 490117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GeraldiFinney 5* 10New user account < 1411512909 217982 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekAfk < 1411513631 349745 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1411513787 669983 :GeekAfk!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1411514147 508862 :pallokolmio!~muukalain@190-22-147-224.baf.movistar.cl QUIT : < 1411514463 816165 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1411514479 211493 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1411514699 901888 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-xkrgllhnfmchvrtc JOIN :#esoteric < 1411514887 472218 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-uzyxudshhnzjtwuc QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1411516710 919616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer