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< 1407078783 226317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Europe looks impressively thundery.
< 1407078787 675699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nothing in our corner.)
< 1407079323 118786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, though it hasn't really reached us yet
< 1407079327 745625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will in the evening
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< 1407090873 964813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are making a new kind of Huffman coding where once a character is output it just leads to another state instead of necessarily starting over from the first state, then what is this called?
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< 1407091300 306424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it would be nice if HTML5 had heredocs or something.
< 1407091338 382258 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a bunch of articles on compression with weighted finite automata. they probably use arithmetic coding on top of that but there's no reason why that couldn't be done by a huffman code.
< 1407091360 797714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I agree with such thing; things that compile into HTML5 (as well as various other formats too) could convert such heredocs
< 1407091408 256893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What is a weighted finite automata?
< 1407091446 540556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a finite automaton with some sort of weights on the transitions; in the data compression case, the weights will be probabilities.
< 1407091526 638668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I was thinking of, there are no weights after it is compiled; each state consists of: next state in case of 0, next state in case of 1, character output in case of 0, character output in case of 1; all parts are optional.
< 1407091723 844643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unrelated to data compression, there are finite automata with output: Moore and Mealy machines. (Personally, I never found those concepts very helpful.)
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< 1407092268 913405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so, a Markov Chains?
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< 1407092370 587759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: With probabilities as weights: yes.
< 1407092501 237419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ah, no, but the concepts are closely related. The difference is, with a weighted automaton you have multiple transition matrices; which one is used depends on the input.
< 1407092549 677065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um, ok
< 1407092845 921802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this sentence (from Wikipedia) is illustrative of the difference: "A finite state machine can be used as a representation of a Markov chain. Assuming a sequence of independent and identically distributed input signals (for example, symbols from a binary alphabet chosen by coin tosses), if the machine is in state y at time n, then the probability that it moves to state x at time n + 1 depends only on the current...
< 1407092851 918138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...state."
< 1407092878 83997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the assumption that the sequence be i.i.d.; in practice that assumption will not hold for, say, text inputs.
< 1407093028 886403 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And this problem does not simply go away by considering higher order Markov chains; weighted automata can track properties that depend on the whole history of events so far. For example, they could tell whether the number of 0 bits seen so far is odd or even.)
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ACTION wonders if he's making any sense.

< 1407093306 957990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: dunno, sorry
< 1407093315 988874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think of such stuff now
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< 1407093957 877386 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Never seen this in a programming book before: "Exercise 12. Now relax, eat, sleep, and then tackle the next chapter. "
< 1407094520 329757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fast is a Commodore 64 compared to Nintendo Famicom?
< 1407094578 393507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ask on #tasvideos
< 1407094813 326874 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What would a heredoc be in the context of html5?
< 1407094836 14302 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, the processor is the same, so it reall comes down to how the support chips make things easier or not for the CPU.
< 1407094853 513212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: something to let you have a bunch of text that doesn't need escaping, for code snippets.
< 1407094876 109603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 
< 1407094877 859544 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it not have CDATA?
< 1407094905 953129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, would that work for <pre>?
< 1407094910 666984 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that XML-only?
< 1407094925 502645 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 6502 in the NES clocks higher.
< 1407094926 624087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3302648/should-i-use-cdata-in-html5 XHTML5 only and only allowed in certain elements
< 1407095122 142391 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: This post lacks hard numbers, but seems a reasonable summary: http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14988
< 1407095211 618367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't the c64 have a proper 6502 whereas the famicom has a cheaper variant?
< 1407095330 134815 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm "proper"
< 1407095344 419066 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki says the Ricoh chip in the NES is missing BCD mode but otherwise seems to add more things than it removes.
< 1407095346 735453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "all the undocumented opcodes that hackers love work"?
< 1407095378 55021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: is that one of those that add some 16-bit stuff?
< 1407095401 898500 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, so in HTML5 it’s only allowed in embedded XML. In XML to the best of my understanding it’s allowed anywhere literal text is.
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< 1407095667 704847 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricoh_2A03
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< 1407095860 692790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: All unofficial opcodes of NMOS 6502 do work; only decimal mode doesn't work.
< 1407095919 784219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but msot of those unofficial opcodes don't do anything useful, do they? except for one right shift instruction that was found a big buggy so it was deemed unofficial, or something
< 1407095955 188029 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This all reminds me that I've a c64 assembly tutorial I wanted to play with soon.
< 1407095997 550384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No, maybe half of the unofficial opcodes are useful, I think.
< 1407096000 710890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This year's Assembly's "oldskool demo" competition had a total of two (2) entries, both for the Amiga 500 (500).
< 1407096035 559143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game "Attribute Zone" uses several unofficial opcodes.
< 1407096056 843265 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: really? wow
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< 1407096083 245288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the "real wild" compo had two Commodore PETs and a VIC-20.
< 1407096103 852125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, if you say so
< 1407096113 517599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a silly quirk in the rules that the "oldschool platforms" are limited to a fixed set, instead of the released-commercially-in-the-given-timeframe criteria they used to have.
< 1407096146 186231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the other hand, the party organizers provide the hardware for running them, so I guess the fixed set is just what they and their friends had.)
< 1407096149 390556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are not useful because they are unstable; others are the same function as official opcodes so they could be used if you want those specific bit patterns for the instructions rather than other ones.
< 1407096197 697689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The set consists of: C64, Plus/4, A500, Atari STf and 130xe, MSX1, Speccy 128k and an Amstrad CPC6128.)
< 1407096226 677168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/CPU_unofficial_opcodes and http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/Programming_with_unofficial_opcodes for details about unofficial opcodes.
< 1407096440 886204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 has an undocumented opcode "in f, (c)" which reads from an I/O port into the flags register.
< 1407096503 296720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suppose it is normally not useful unless you are connecting special devices to the I/O port; if you are then it probably can help though.
< 1407096546 449199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can (theoretically, anyway) be useful if you're interested in a bit that happens to coincide with one of the flags for which there are conditional jumps.
< 1407096611 969833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the "z80undoc" document mentions something about "some older Z80" locking up.
< 1407096797 5059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a left shift that 1-fills the least significant bit, that can be useful. (It's there in the instruction set where the "missing" shift instruction out of the "{logical, arithmetic} shift {left, right}" quadruplet should be.)
< 1407096936 181088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the same as a "scf; rl" pair, except in one instruction.)
< 1407096978 129295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it can be useful; 6502 has no such single instruction
< 1407097539 528897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, interesting; it's not really the opposite of an arithmetic shift right
< 1407097547 529962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would fill the low bit only if the number was odd
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< 1407098144 358996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: "Logically" (no pun intended) the opcode in fact corresponds to a *logical* shift left; the "arithmetic shift left" opcode is the regular left shift.
< 1407098161 796451 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right
< 1407098172 592190 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arithmetically, it's a times-2-plus-1 operation
< 1407098181 641024 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is certainly something I've used in the past
< 1407098282 884047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is in fact the very useful thing
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< 1407099489 227633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: the thing I linked said you can only use it with script and style in XHTML5 I think
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< 1407103124 261735 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.65.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow z80 code golf is pretty mindblowing! here's one i made earlier http://bpaste.net/raw/552075/
< 1407103701 791980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now can you do a 6502 code golf?
< 1407103963 236934 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.65.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tried. this works with anarchy golf's z80 emulator's IO which is just "putchar at $8000, getchar at $8003"; i guess you could do the same on a 6502
< 1407104403 686394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unofficial MagicKit uses the same address for putchar and getchar on standard I/O (however, this function is rarely used anyways since MagicKit is a compiler, so standard I/O is normally only used for debugging).
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< 1407105671 681677 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gently mapoles fungot before his vacation

< 1407105672 29540 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: see? who cares about ie". i guess it's just because he doesn't ever talk. i'd like to design a good embedded scheme user environment.
< 1407105694 800988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, are we going to be boilyless?
< 1407105710 504862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i use ie hth
< 1407105710 954462 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( or put it up somewhere else, 1 sec... one school put up some text on the distinction between tags and types aren't first-order. take the list monad
< 1407105734 378876 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. I'll be on the other side of the Great Puddle until August 12.
< 1407105760 989304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my side!
< 1407105783 5062 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but I'll be a little be South.
< 1407105807 560923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in the francophonie?
< 1407105825 479680 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more South. in the South of Spain.
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< 1407105870 762876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware of the spanish inquisition.
< 1407105907 107033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never has been in spain, which makes him an unusual norwegian.

< 1407105948 604362 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean I'll be meeting a lot of Norwegians?
< 1407105968 446971 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares himself for spotting tall blond people in the field

< 1407105969 54251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible.
< 1407105982 529881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially retired ones.
< 1407106017 921778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my aunt spends most of her time in the canaries these days.
< 1407106027 281117 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the European version of snowbirds. I understand.
< 1407106060 721452 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :retired Québécois all flock down to Florida.
< 1407106060 920164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it
< 1407106250 784329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, that's the traditional place that first got them.  nowadays there are also a lot in turkey and some in thailand, and probably other places.
< 1407106412 392468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't been any of those places either.

< 1407106469 204458 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never went to Florida. I should try Thaïland some day, to learn more about their cuisine.
< 1407106582 103993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1407106629 327543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ï confuses me a bit, because the ai is pronounced as one syllable; but then i remember that french uses it to mean it's not a single vowel.
< 1407106762 70232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they eventually stop making VCRs record LP?
< 1407106840 400066 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: everything is a single vowel in French, except when it isn't.
< 1407106847 596153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm getting a parse error from that.
< 1407106855 165081 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: LP?
< 1407106870 13306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"long play" (record, presumably vinyl)
< 1407106873 706948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o caille
< 1407106886 286362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that may be my mistake.
< 1407106911 696244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, also mine
< 1407106922 567609 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.65.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <ai> is /ɛ/ in french
< 1407106932 436026 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that only confuses me more. what has a vinyl record got to do with a VCR.
< 1407106932 634742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean vinyl records; I mean a recording mode where the tape is four hours long.
< 1407106938 304534 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.65.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<aï> is /ai/)
< 1407106961 555996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i know that
< 1407106962 558616 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: je proteste. <ai> is /e/, not /ɛ/.
< 1407106991 384302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it's called VCR-LP.
< 1407107008 944057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: except that in "caille", it's apparently /ɑ/
< 1407107024 599964 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1407107032 170154 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«caille» is /kaj/.
< 1407107040 28281 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.65.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: contre-argument: t'es québécois
< 1407107048 476642 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(câille, on the other hand...)
< 1407107062 520930 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: en effet.
< 1407107079 906920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caille#Pronunciation
< 1407107097 273645 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY LIE! IT'S NOT TRUE!
< 1407107153 115867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does québécöís have the /ɑ/ vs. /a/ distinction?
< 1407107166 712753 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course.
< 1407107173 539171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VCR I have cannot record onto VHS in LP mode; only SP and EP are supported. It can record onto DVD in SP, LP, and EP mode, though.
< 1407107183 215878 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh. québécöís. :D)
< 1407107277 388164 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.65.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently belgian french makes the distinction but i was taught metropolitan french even though i live in belgium
< 1407107304 847977 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.65.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whispers to himself "patte. pâââââte. patte")
< 1407107330 785634 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :poil. poêle. la. là.
< 1407107368 216032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can't help you there. SP has best quality, EP has the longest recording time; perhaps LP is a compromise that few people desire. Supporting three recording speeds would make the device more complex (mechanically). OTOH for DVD it's just a matter of specifying a target bit rate to the encoder.
< 1407107375 848165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mainly remembers the word "caille" from the dish in babette's feast ("Caille en Sarcophage avec Sauce Perigourdine")

< 1407107447 500545 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1407107520 419122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babette's_Feast
< 1407107545 433149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babette's_Feast#The_menu
< 1407107598 823357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's of course an enormous spoiler if you haven't seen the movie
< 1407107702 929202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pope Francis has identified Babette's Feast as his favorite film."
< 1407107738 491883 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no click for me then.
< 1407108838 632838 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/infiniteworldproblems ← nothing better to keep you sane. saaaaaaaane.
< 1407108913 646009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought fifthworldproblems was already sane enough
< 1407109626 546665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea; using the Famicom's tape port to connect together two Famicom units.
< 1407109657 210343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be doable even just using the expansion port and not using the tape port, but if the software is using the keyboard, then you can use the tape port.
< 1407109658 667226 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :networking
< 1407109684 292376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it is two players game with two keyboard and two screens.
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< 1407111110 682262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh my reddit bug report got an answer
< 1407111130 208438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a CEO no less
< 1407111158 329845 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dun ♪
< 1407111190 889480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to get a list of cookies in IE 11
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< 1407112650 851981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, turns out i was blocking the cookies from the site.  although since this is with default IE settings, i hope they might still want to know.
< 1407113003 633801 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE loves blocking third party cookies unless you make legal claims about what you do with them
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< 1407113039 283721 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fb.me/p3p
< 1407113056 35603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that seemed to be the case, the site didn't have a compact privacy policy
< 1407113088 784647 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ironic thing is I can imagine scenarios where there are websites that are _more_ secure under IE because of this
< 1407113098 233671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1407113104 588128 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION senses a great disturbance in the force

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< 1407113201 421084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's essentially IE trying to be _good_ but failing because no one else follows the standard
< 1407113285 427010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i should have mentioned i was using IE in my original post.  was being slightly cowardish there.
< 1407113321 660676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i got downvoted _anyhow_.)
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< 1407120106 743435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw someone made a circuit and software for displaying text on a oscilloscope.
< 1407120696 407228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coolness
< 1407120729 294418 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you mean this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36m5Q_BKYrU
< 1407120759 930360 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oscope = birth of graphics
< 1407120779 965279 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector graphics
< 1407121121 797696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; it wasn't on YouTube though, but this design makes raster graphics
< 1407121147 763537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gw7.no-ip.com/scopegraphics1b.jpg
< 1407121177 359304 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool.. now you can have the raster crt you  always wanted!
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< 1407128443 530173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit i got a fanatic badge
< 1407129705 587557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re oscilloscopes and text: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g
< 1407129722 851206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's driven by a regular computer and a sound card, though.
< 1407129945 902488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You use IE even though he doesn't ever talk? 
< 1407129974 38817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1407130024 954923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Please recommend a good talking browser.
< 1407130025 404358 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or one such ip, i think i'll try instrumenting it to see if bush will be fnord when i realised my mistake, sorry.
< 1407130168 471102 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vectrex
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< 1407148937 731484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX is hyphenating "forcing" into "forc-ing"? Is that quite all right? 
< 1407149083 607924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no idea,I don't know how hyphenation works. make sure you haven't accidentally chosen hyphenation for the wrong language, and maybe check in a dictionary or something.
< 1407149145 382915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: seems good enough to me. latex is better at hyphenating than anything else i know of, so i assume it's right by default
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< 1407149680 90704 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
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< 1407149941 261458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;>;# t0"oof";0"rab"#;>:#,_@
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< 1407150006 158484 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to figure out if the IP inherits stack. Seems it does.
< 1407150010 482399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does.
< 1407150029 103867 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it's in the spec
< 1407150035 369970 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't look well enough :P
< 1407150090 105199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "321";>;# t"oof";"RAB"#;>:#,_@
< 1407150090 748361 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fBoAoR112233
< 1407150941 118479 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell
< 1407151101 968205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, at least they've still got their own stacks.
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< 1407151221 802928 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, I think I have concurrency implemented correctly now
< 1407151328 973006 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel I have concurrency implemented before stringmode
< 1407151339 508991 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a new interpreter btw, in Ruby
< 1407151372 512500 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my old one was too messy :P
< 1407151453 627670 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not concurrent. And it didn't have i or o. And Mycology infinite-looped on it.
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< 1407171250 974150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about the "DGD" MUD driver?
< 1407171343 664306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
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< 1407171945 8162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to use programs written in a variant of C.
< 1407172114 625173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some rooms and policy and stuff already in there, but I don't like this policy so I can change it, and currently it doesn't allow the user to set the species, strength, weight, height, etc of the player character so hopefully I could learn how to fix that too.
< 1407172389 491034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is library called Phantasmal and Lovecraft, which has these example things in here but isn't good enough yet. It includes some rooms (including a university and a hostel), and two mobile objects (a dog and a moving turnip). It seems to lack classrooms however. This could be fixed though, too.
< 1407172603 598233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the permadeath, but I don't want to have these levels and stuff and instead just a high score which has no effect on the game.
< 1407172793 306256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it shouldn't reset too much. I don't quite know how to fix it though
< 1407172801 127710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone else to know?
< 1407172816 833567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like making "x" an abbreviation for "examine" should be easy to fix, though.
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< 1407174831 511434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a fast and small way in 6502 assembly language to XOR bit7 of accumulator with the carry flag?
< 1407175074 199077 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcc skip; eor #0x80; skip: ....    ?
< 1407175099 184362 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcc = 2 cycles, eor immediate = 2 cycles
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< 1407176040 153999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've seen DGD; it implements a variant of LPC. A perhaps better known descendant of LPC is Pike ...
< 1407176116 612156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've not really used DGD, I have more experience with lpmud, later ldmud, and MudOS.
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< 1407176511 137397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have installed DGD (including Phantasmal and Lovecraft); I have not set it up yet though, so starting it just displays a blank window and the menu to start it is gray
< 1407176949 883644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DGD is AGPL3; apparently there might be some incompatibility with others and I prefer to use one which is compatible with free software (of course, free software is itself compatible with free software, so that works)
< 1407177112 830470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know things about its working though then maybe you might be able to help later if you know LPC at all?
< 1407177194 57421 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lpc the language from lpmud?   lpc the vocoder?
< 1407177495 941290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the programming language in use appears to be a variant of C, with inheritance and maps and stuff
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< 1407178617 854214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no official CGI-Support for Pike?
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< 1407192044 600953 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what you're pointing out is that Dota 2 is 'stateless.' "
< 1407192068 163911 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, first time I've seen someone other than me use 'stateless' in a non-programming context. I'm not actually sure if I've used it in a non-programming context.
< 1407192249 930190 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i recommend some interesting looks at the nature of stateless people in international diplomacy http://www.hrw.org/reports/2013/04/22/all-you-can-do-pray-0
< 1407192336 308164 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, communist theory.
< 1407192357 520736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things don't sound like programming languages Bicyclidine
< 1407192383 83895 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah, so, non-programming context.
< 1407192398 736549 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a stateless state.
< 1407192467 183019 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo confirmed for marxist
< 1407192839 659193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i've talked about stateless and stateful computer games in presumably exactly that context before
< 1407192843 370237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bicyclidine
< 1407192847 229850 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407192864 82505 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1407192872 183574 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah. Sorry about forgetting
< 1407192879 183882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1407192885 376405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably wasn't in conversation with you
< 1407193202 428489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you mean it's stateless in that everyone starts at the same place in every game?
< 1407193220 692840 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More that there's no retained state between games
< 1407193244 65846 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No leveling up of your character between each match, for example. No collecting cards.
< 1407193248 437884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely, achievements unlocked constitute state?
< 1407193270 458083 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. non-Writer state?
< 1407193316 556027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, state that doesn't influence gameplay, even though it can be influenced by gameplay
< 1407193353 264725 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"output"
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< 1407197327 317136 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 & id .~ 6
< 1407197328 796219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6
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< 1407209709 796097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the progress coming zzo38 
< 1407210265 134600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What progress?
< 1407210336 256342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about "No leveling up of your character between each match, for example. No collecting cards." and yes it is one way to do it; like, to play Magic: the Gathering or whatever in Limited format, any cards you may collect don't affect any further games played, they only affect that one so it doesn't affect later on.
< 1407210621 610084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just "hello" & _Just <<<>~ "world"
< 1407210623 502472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("hello",Just "helloworld")
< 1407210667 837494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these & and _Just and <<<>~ operators here?
< 1407210685 35334 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<<<>~)
< 1407210686 438558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoid r => Optical' (->) q ((,) r) s r -> r -> q s (r, s)
< 1407210695 367103 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad we've transcended letterforms
< 1407210698 332892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are from lens.  & is just flip ($)
< 1407210706 845263 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :give a man a (<<>~) or teach a man to (<<<>~)
< 1407210713 510889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Just is a prism for Just
< 1407210720 998440 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.65.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<>~ is a good operator
< 1407210756 362506 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoooth operator
< 1407210786 157202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just "hello" & _Just <<%~ (<> "world")
< 1407210787 770651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("hello",Just "helloworld")
< 1407210844 469806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<>~ combines <<%~ with <>, the latter is mappend.
< 1407210905 674105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<%~ applies a function to the targets of a traversal (prisms are traversals) and also returns the old value
< 1407210910 958941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1407210933 842564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just ["hello ", "goodbye "] & traverse <<%~ (<> "world")
< 1407210935 451228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘GHC.Types.Char’ with ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’
< 1407210935 689128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [[GHC.Types.Char]] -> [GHC.Types.Char]
< 1407210935 918768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: [GHC.Types.Char] -> [GHC.Types.Char]
< 1407210937 883044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1407210961 738465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ["hello ", "goodbye "] & traverse <<%~ (<> "world")
< 1407210963 598023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("hello goodbye ",["hello world","goodbye world"])
< 1407211009 43852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it uses <> to combine old values
< 1407211325 630936 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "o" <> "hai"
< 1407211327 315737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ohai"
< 1407214580 164100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 55
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< 1407215475 448832 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well do I have to play wisp in dota 2 to read and write files in Haskell?
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< 1407216167 57138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since i don't know how to do the former at all, but do know some ways of doing the latter, i am guessing "not at all" hth
< 1407216441 223735 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Wisp
< 1407216525 809192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess remains hth
< 1407218262 122199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps you have a latent ability to do the former
< 1407218335 746030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also io jokes are old-hat hth
< 1407218439 246172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i didn't connect that.
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< 1407222199 397637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) & _2 <.~ 3
< 1407222201 251086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3,(1,3))
< 1407222286 921044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncurry (id <.~)
< 1407222288 262162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t, b) -> (t, t)
< 1407222299 894751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncurry (id <<.~)
< 1407222301 153971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t, s) -> (s, t)
< 1407222422 595459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t view swapped
< 1407222423 183848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Swapped p, MonadReader (p a b) m) => m (p b a)
< 1407222425 269216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pft
< 1407222427 894398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t view swapped :: (a,b) -> (b,a)
< 1407222429 81915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a, b) -> (b, a)
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< 1407224522 424692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "I wrote you OHHEA in Finnish instead ONNEA!= that means luck. ( because in Russian H=N)"
< 1407224525 976049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystery solved
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< 1407225092 164455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh! thanks for the update
< 1407226397 528241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it when people use H when they mean Н. :/
< 1407226446 128373 :scoofy!~blah@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do u like instead
< 1407226463 490999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they just use Н, if that's what they want.
< 1407226576 656633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel when they use O when they mean О
< 1407226591 796207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similarly for E/Е and A/А
< 1407226675 940662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost the same.
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< 1407231403 746576 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about a language with neither lazy nor eager evaluation but something inbetween
< 1407231494 956451 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For stream processing
< 1407231514 356724 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can do "give me as many as you can of these in 2 seconds"
< 1407231541 406961 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "have this computing in the background"
< 1407231600 59607 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be able to do that in Haskell with Conduit or Pipes or something
< 1407231652 187832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know those libraries well enough
< 1407231910 383448 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I want this for a Python program
< 1407231946 730872 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1407231973 171500 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that sounds fairly easy to implement at the low level
< 1407232036 675037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick method of timing as choice; while (timeout > 0) { select(args, timeout); do stuff; recalculate the timeout; }
< 1407232076 498567 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only do the check after the select call
< 1407232107 492833 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can get whatever is instantaneously available
< 1407232260 350300 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Conduit/Pipes wouldn't actually help with this, except inasmuch that they abstract the notion of a source so that the consumer of the input doesn't need to care what you're doing in the background
< 1407232271 122715 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For background computing, look into joinable threads
< 1407232277 889444 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can renice threads independently on Linux
< 1407233357 730349 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "renice" mean?
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< 1407234092 456200 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: change the priority
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< 1407246730 969281 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be implementing things in my Befunge-98 interpreter in the wrong order lol, I'm doing fingerprints before I've implemented p.
< 1407247251 131853 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try mycology order if you want feedback on what you're doing
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< 1407248200 178995 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bug if ` reflects, it says "BAD: ects" lol
< 1407248222 761504 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology
< 1407248360 547092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the mycology ` test code, and it seems fine to me.
< 1407248417 443949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially like the way how it sums up '2' and '3' to get 'e'.
< 1407248624 693984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relevant code is http://sprunge.us/GfVT and it seems like it should print "BAD: ` reflects" if interpreted correctly.
< 1407248708 266310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your ] is the wrong way around.
< 1407248738 201931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that would take it directly from "stce" to " :DAB".
< 1407249294 555886 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1407249297 5055 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be
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< 1407251252 267381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit hard for mycology to test for things being broken in every possible order
< 1407251288 610188 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1407251302 503632 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does decently by using the method of not using an opcode until it's been fully tested
< 1407251698 15954 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how mycology just exits without a BAD message when ; reflects.
< 1407251715 969591 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1407251717 978919 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1407251724 415640 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :; shouldn't reflect
< 1407251729 30221 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1407251744 710635 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's doing something with k and ;?
< 1407251749 552144 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :; isn't really an instruction, it's more of a method of making the playfield even less euclidean
< 1407251758 400988 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, k with ; is the sort of thing Mycology tests
< 1407251767 834442 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it likes looking at corner cases in the spec
< 1407251788 745001 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, k isn't implemented yet
< 1407251825 366220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what...
< 1407251849 915685 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it's doing something like ;;;
< 1407251859 104631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this semicolon thing? what funge variant?
< 1407251869 127059 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98, comments.
< 1407251879 666621 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :skips until next ;
< 1407251901 18785 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also be a nop if there's no other ; on the line lel
< 1407251903 115754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work...
< 1407251916 613886 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1407251928 153594 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 5;3;.@
< 1407251930 101538 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :5
< 1407251957 19020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the three characters ";3;" are still part of the field, right?
< 1407251964 232321 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's not exactly a nop, just the same ; is seen as the first and second ;
< 1407251967 25848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a jump instruction that finds the next ";" in the direction
< 1407251969 359918 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the next ; on the same lahey-line
< 1407251978 860923 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not a jump instruction because it isn't an instruction
< 1407251991 842605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ok, so how does it work?
< 1407252000 779738 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "xxx"3k.
< 1407252001 393587 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0 120 120 120 0
< 1407252005 883317 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "xxx"3k.@
< 1407252006 402947 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 120 120 0
< 1407252017 711591 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so that program runs the "." four times
< 1407252034 759290 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 3k. repeats the . three more times
< 1407252041 254341 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "xxx"3k;this is a comment;.@
< 1407252041 712619 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 120 120 0
< 1407252049 423385 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes the interpreter treat anything between the ;s as spaces, including the ;s themselves.
< 1407252051 407109 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if ; were an instruction, the k would copy the ; rather than the .
< 1407252068 132231 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because it isn't an instruction, the k just ignores it and looks for the next actual instruction, which is the .
< 1407252074 942952 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1407252150 93684 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40245 5* 03106.120.28.78 5* (+2571) 10Wang-B Machine
< 1407252157 840458 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait wait. I made it incredibly hard for myself to implement k without making the code almost twice as long because executing a character isn't a function :S
< 1407252175 570979 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go refactor
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< 1407252199 430815 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering how k interacts with "
< 1407252218 882447 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it toggles stringmode x amount of times I would think
< 1407252229 75685 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "xxx"1k"y""z"5k.@"q"5k.@
< 1407252229 618129 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1407252240 246643 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "xxx"1k"y""z"5k.@""q"5k.@
< 1407252240 757665 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :113 64 46 107 53 65
< 1407252244 68220 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better
< 1407252273 175803 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm still not sure exactly what the code did
< 1407252279 238869 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're right, I guess the y actually executed
< 1407252281 353556 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :try replacing the .s with ,s
< 1407252290 696536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember nested k being fun.
< 1407252290 922566 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "xxx"1k"y""z"5k,@""q"5k,@
< 1407252291 454506 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :q@,k5A
< 1407252304 376940 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, no, that looks like part of the program
< 1407252313 962615 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is the result of "x"y
< 1407252319 181826 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1407252327 838975 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest of it is just part of the program being interpreted literally
< 1407252331 659352 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1407252334 901173 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "xxx"1k"y""z"5k,@""q"fk,@
< 1407252335 469569 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :q@,k5Axx
< 1407252414 858473 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, it toggles stringmode x times.
< 1407252513 337122 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember back when cfunge was being brought up to 100% compliant with the mycology spec
< 1407252524 620518 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which interp !befunge98 is using, and I've also forgotten how to find out
< 1407252526 255474 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks it up

< 1407252571 718042 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the link on esolangs.org is broken
< 1407252582 261202 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal 214]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40246 5* 03106.120.28.78 5* (+2414) 10Portal 2
< 1407252584 297055 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a web search suggests quadium.org for the funge-98 spec
< 1407252678 327283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal 214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40247&oldid=40246 5* 03106.120.28.78 5* (-2) 10
< 1407252738 472 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y:,884**/:,884**/:,884**/:,@
< 1407252738 580181 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUFC
< 1407252741 385243 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge
< 1407252753 989965 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 4y.@
< 1407252754 414027 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :90
< 1407252761 246718 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the version number
< 1407252997 3346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: The 5 is executed in an unrelated code path, the $ is just compensating.
< 1407253005 750248 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1407253014 191898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology does quite a lot of "push and pop" as opposed to "# over push", even in places where it could.
< 1407253067 139282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot does a couple of space-saving uses of things like _ for a combination of (say) $ and > when it's known that there's a zero on the stack.
< 1407253067 359076 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it wouldn't make any profit :p. i think cl has a macro system
< 1407253078 956077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it doesn't make any profit.
< 1407253146 936907 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it avoids $
< 1407253150 979453 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it possibly make any profit
< 1407253227 501943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why don't you mine some bitcoins or something to earn your living? 
< 1407253228 108973 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is scheme48 compared to r5rs? :) ( i.e. how are things going these days, right? assume non-tail recursion is free to rearrange the order to squeeze out the last files from the server
< 1407253240 840347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bitcoin-mining on Funge-98: probably not cost-effective.)
< 1407253327 581672 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think you need the "probably" qualifier there
< 1407253355 895246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current instance of the bot has been running since July 15th (approx. 21 days) and used a total of 17 minutes of CPU time, so at least it's not costing terribly much to run.
< 1407253705 356791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay Portal 2 has a great name
< 1407253715 948717 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's mention fungot a lot so he's more expensive to run :P
< 1407253716 454637 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: but it was unnecessary. that's why they picked, it looks good to all people), internet multiplayer and it gives you back that function's setter function. functions)
< 1407253734 947512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make a conway's game of life variant with half the complexity so it can be called Half-Life
< 1407253760 27407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"half the complexity", hmm. looking only at 4 neightbours rather than 8?
< 1407253778 542537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Portal 2 was better when I thought Portal wasn't created just now
< 1407253786 435617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where did that 't' come from? I must have typed it, but why?)
< 1407253791 280892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: something like that. as long as you can justify it as being life but half I'm down with it.
< 1407253798 582145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a silent t.
< 1407253803 386108 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I immediately checked that to see if it was spam, and decided it wasn't
< 1407253805 814431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the first t in my name.
< 1407253816 15632 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it would be better if Portal were older
< 1407253825 701745 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You should upgrade to Trefunge.
< 1407253825 901526 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: well it fnord about?)
< 1407253844 611614 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it already run Trefunge?
< 1407253943 907653 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot doesn't run Befunge, in much the same way as thutubot doesn't run Thutu
< 1407253944 107204 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: " pretty fast" has a problematic connotation i had no interpreter to tets them with _my mind_, though
< 1407254118 954901 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a typo in fungot.
< 1407254119 190237 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: you sure have it easy.
< 1407254410 820216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1407254501 514405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a command to execute "raw" Befunge-98, but it's owner-only, since it's potentially dangerous.)
< 1407254523 402647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Also your mind *is* an interpreter.
< 1407254523 690594 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's weird, either the melatonin or my low adrenal state is making time seemingly pass very slowly. or maybe it's supposed to snow today
< 1407254550 87390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo in the source or typo in the babble?
< 1407254554 723267 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :babble
< 1407254568 826155 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>tets them with _my mind_
< 1407254648 221570 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :very minor, but meh
< 1407254693 669035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005-07-28 21:12:34 <calamari> GregorR: I think I write the conversions, yeah.. but I had no interpreter to tets them with
< 1407254713 169110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where it's derived from.
< 1407255032 30466 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1407255357 165206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407255430 169867 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407255431 33271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1407255704 856478 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in mycology, I get this:
< 1407255716 790087 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: n does not clear 15-cell stack,  _v#nv#fkf>5 executes 5 thrice
< 1407255783 699745 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that fragment would execute 5 at all
< 1407255795 146401 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1407255805 273556 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait lel
< 1407255811 167134 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1407255812 262557 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1407255815 103931 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is weird
< 1407255841 806493 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind my last 4 posts
< 1407255844 62942 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :5
< 1407255846 536774 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :6
< 1407255848 494149 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1407255914 910313 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right wrapping
< 1407255935 746363 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so erm that can't be right since n does clear the stack D:
< 1407255948 479372 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does "ip.stackstack[-1] = []"
< 1407255959 836669 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see how that would not clear a stack.
< 1407256050 770272 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be "ip.stackstack[-1].clear" but I changed that because of this error.
< 1407258442 388369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1407258442 587631 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1407258554 922756 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407258612 381572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it starts in this really "structured Befunge" mode with comments and one-conceptual-operation-per-line and all that, then devolves a little bit to a more spaghetti-y mess by the time it gets to IRC PRIVMSG parsing, and then finally the babbling code actually looks a bit like real Befunge.
< 1407258653 201169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf [+]
< 1407258653 400224 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1407258665 262247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is just faffing
< 1407258691 109273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[] does take a moment of CPU time, I'm sure.
< 1407258695 147139 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1407258719 240482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1407258789 431705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[]   ...just checking
< 1407258793 581878 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1407258825 347392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^code 99*:9p
< 1407258845 73280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, /proc/pid/sched's "se.vruntime" went from 231243698.908466 to 231248532.202064 and nr_switches incremented by 95 for a single +[].
< 1407258854 923316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the unit for the former, though.
< 1407258859 539981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^code 99*:g.
< 1407258868 602656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't run ^code from untrusted sources.
< 1407258877 497099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also even if it did, the . wouldn't go to IRC.
< 1407258880 994197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you crafty bastard!
< 1407258943 673019 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you used p wrong
< 1407259014 840088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1407259032 337651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The value goes on the bottom.
< 1407259048 312764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :123p puts a 1 at the place where 23g would read it from.
< 1407259074 312261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1407259089 44806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i read the spec wrong
< 1407259424 148827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, when I said 17 minutes back there, it was in fact 17 seconds instead.
< 1407259431 24877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[]   one more try
< 1407259435 172828 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1407259446 223777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That takes a whopping 4 CPU seconds.
< 1407259449 135387 :visnu!ThrashIRC@unaffiliated/visnu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407259484 310639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at 30 seconds now. So today accounts for approximately half of its total CPU use for the last three weeks.
< 1407259498 41048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How about if I ask you to babble? 
< 1407259498 312823 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does anybody else here who ever wrote ( and ( x z) ( y x))
< 1407259507 443845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.02 seconds.
< 1407259757 776728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I just DOS'd it...
< 1407259765 711192 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :should s wrap or expand space?
< 1407259772 845872 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should expand :P
< 1407259802 346046 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space is conceptually infinite
< 1407259831 620725 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't be infinite in practice, but your job as a Funge-98 implementor is to hide that
< 1407259835 561319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since it says to write in (position + delta), that's probably what it should do.
< 1407259840 607384 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1407259840 806875 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, not quite infinite due to not using bignums
< 1407259842 339021 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1407259853 678425 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Ruby automatically uses bignums.
< 1407259855 452036 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, can you write outside the playfield bounds like that?
< 1407259884 182993 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '.s
< 1407259884 772721 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
< 1407259891 662427 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, seems it wraps
< 1407259927 417897 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think cfunge passed Mycology
< 1407259954 86874 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology maybe isn't perfect
< 1407259959 824768 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we find bugs in it sometimes, whenever a new Funge implementation comes along
< 1407259985 82778 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be worth asking Deewiant, who is the expert on whether a particular behaviour is a Mycology bug, Funge specification bug, or not a bug at all
< 1407260058 94925 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I was trying to figure out what caused mycology to say that 'vs doesn't place v (it does)
< 1407260092 12700 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Which behaviour is it now?
< 1407260102 994879 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wrapping behaviour of s
< 1407260104 57103 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '.s
< 1407260104 527360 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
< 1407260161 785970 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what does BAD: getting (-3 -2) after putting there results in wrong value mean
< 1407260173 561198 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints just after k tests
< 1407260183 482722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: p is put and g is get
< 1407260190 489243 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1407260194 468621 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So g gave back something that wasn't p'd
< 1407260196 965861 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that wrong
< 1407260197 816145 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1407260240 607178 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to me that s shouldn't wrap, so space after executing the s should be  '.s.
< 1407260291 992753 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would not result in an infinite loop of 0 output.
< 1407260307 712645 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW this is how CCBI seems to behave
< 1407260340 272831 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, CCBI and cfunge disagree on something? Vorpal isn't here, though, so I can't meaningfully ping them to complain
< 1407260366 252293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: There was also another disagreement last time TieSoul was around, IIRC.
< 1407260392 520702 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am happy with Funge-98 development conversation, it normally leads to interesting esolanging discussions, even if they're of the "pin-down-the-spec" form
< 1407260394 368545 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've been the "y as pick instruction" thing, which cfunge had flipped?
< 1407260400 851351 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the guy who points out Funge inconsistencies lol
< 1407260403 569260 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-195-223.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407260405 844437 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 has half the advantages of a nomic
< 1407260429 245296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;@.g0+aa.g00;#;_1'xs
< 1407260429 747392 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :59 32
< 1407260434 233042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ I don't quite get that.
< 1407260443 475887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is s again
< 1407260450 161048 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"store character"
< 1407260454 561054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The x did not end up to (0, 20) -- the cell after the s -- but it did not end up at (0, 0) either.
< 1407260462 616308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must've messed something up, but I'm not sure what.
< 1407260555 483596 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge doesn't have a debugger so who knows
< 1407260591 232979 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-195-223.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1407260615 534898 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has gdb, but that's stretching a little
< 1407260633 166321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say that Vorpal would probably retort with gdb
< 1407260651 198549 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, what you could do
< 1407260655 893299 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is insert line labels into the code
< 1407260658 385892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he had a set of gdb macros or something that made it more bearable. And/or just "workflows".
< 1407260661 593151 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, its tracer doesn't say where the s wrote to, only that the next cell it went to was the ; at (0, 0) so it can't have been there
< 1407260662 289182 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could debug it with COME FROM statements
< 1407260663 694060 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what y should push TOSS length again?
< 1407260671 541010 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, NEXT FROM, you need to resume afterwards
< 1407260688 14441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :case 's': ip_forward(ip); fungespace_set(stack_pop(ip->stack), &ip->position); break;
< 1407260691 443492 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely remember the y offsets
< 1407260737 197303 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1407260744 637432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip_forward does do wrapping, so that's arguably "wrong".
< 1407260744 836508 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually I don't think there's a set one for TOSS length but there is for BOSS length)
< 1407260779 961121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;@.g0-10;#;_1'xs
< 1407260780 488872 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :120
< 1407260785 602176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*There* it is.
< 1407260786 858765 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 yby.@
< 1407260787 372697 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1407260789 538987 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1407260791 877175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ends up at (-1,0).
< 1407260794 71401 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 yay.@
< 1407260794 507074 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1407260800 983647 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ycy.@
< 1407260801 597425 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1407260808 767029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could make a nice funge-98 debugger with lldb or something.
< 1407260864 415499 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh right, this is because of cfunge's Mycology optimization and its strange way of handling markers (or only semicolon)
< 1407260886 8810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Mycology/fungot trick is so ridiculous.
< 1407260886 207960 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, opennic also mirrors the standard icann tlds.
< 1407260888 625453 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It preallocates a space just large enough to include all of Mycology, including the negative areas it dynamically writes to (I still refuse to call this a coïncidence)
< 1407260899 719073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot too, I think?
< 1407260899 945972 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whatever the os finds appropriate.'
< 1407260902 918046 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And evidently ip_forward skips over spaces but not semicolons
< 1407260904 558077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only because fungot is strictly smaller though
< 1407260904 757278 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how can i
< 1407260922 809467 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think fungot's underload and whatever interpreters can go quite far out
< 1407260923 128752 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: which do you prefer books or tv? umm......do you like the climate in atlanta? what about it
< 1407260933 45745 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the program, of course
< 1407261125 971132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Having "s" at edge of the playfield causes the placed character to go where wrapping puts it; there seems to be a vague consensus that s should not wrap. See http://sprunge.us/dZdS for most of the relevant context.
< 1407261126 522396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1407261132 236067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope sprunge doesn't time-out that.
< 1407261159 468714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know their paste-expiration schedule.)
< 1407261203 783354 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge rhymes with funge
< 1407261216 44735 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence? I think KNOT
< 1407261235 860534 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407261239 979577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TONK"4(
< 1407261261 403155 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an excellent name for a fingerprint :-D
< 1407261277 331072 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is there actually a KNOT fingerprint? If there isn't I'll have to find an application.
< 1407261290 307548 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's fun to write TONK
< 1407261290 533044 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest it applies knot-theoretic concepts to Funge-Space
< 1407261372 801489 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would only be applicable in Trefunge?
< 1407261438 266541 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'm sure you could do something to make it work in lower dimensions, e.g. infer imaginary z-values from the cell values or something
< 1407261454 375016 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm... Is there a brainfuck-like memory fingerprint yet?
< 1407261468 668361 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that'd have some use
< 1407261480 133395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called g/p
< 1407261490 983249 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 1+/1-
< 1407261534 345654 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure but that requires more effort to keep track of :P
< 1407261543 181649 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slightly)
< 1407261571 877940 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always write brainfuck verbatim in your funge code and write a small interpreter for it inline
< 1407261619 111818 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writing things like "110gg1+110gp" is kind of tedious
< 1407262036 736424 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1407262106 980208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's brainfuck interpreter keeps the X index of the input program on top-of-stack, and X index of the brainfuck tape pointer below that.
< 1407262107 299410 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this?). in the vi section. something came up at work. we're largely a perl shop.
< 1407262110 356630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard would it be to come up with a code golfing challenge specifically designed to require more characters in GolfScript than in some particular other (reasonably compact but otherwise arbitrarily chosen TC) language?
< 1407262189 868632 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there was that anarchy golf "compression challenge" where you had to output a particular sequence of digits
< 1407262202 815060 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just happened to be that generated by a particular RNG with its default seed
< 1407262224 114926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1407262382 229587 :visnu!ThrashIRC@unaffiliated/visnu QUIT :Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated
< 1407262631 120477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: that's great
< 1407262650 873585 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty clever
< 1407262690 209342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: it might have been unintentional
< 1407262702 922176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: if you want to create random data for your challenge so that it's incompressible...
< 1407262722 559400 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes
< 1407262748 237342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the golfscript solution to this is REALLY CHEAP: http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Ghost+leg+solver but I have to admit I've solved problems the same way before :P
< 1407263185 834479 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so what is wrong with this code http://bpaste.net/show/aGXL8WSB8OrmE4MngGBd/
< 1407263199 311894 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the storage offset part.
< 1407263219 845931 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Mycology says that's wrong
< 1407263304 524042 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://bpaste.net/show/V20S5hIpeAbR21vHsVXE/ <here's the p code, the way I handle negative fungespace is really weird btw.
< 1407263470 387697 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know I have much too many globals, will refactor someday
< 1407263839 931069 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you have the x value in ip.storeoffset[0] those pushes seem to be the wrong way around, the y should be on top
< 1407263864 332356 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the { code I mean
< 1407263965 137892 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I used to have them that way around but then for some reason I thought to reverse it :P
< 1407263982 162651 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I reversed it because of the error
< 1407263997 614193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks okay to me otherwise
< 1407264015 545621 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the p code, otherwise that it's really funky?
< 1407264016 61829 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407264022 598485 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that*
< 1407264094 553867 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea what's going on with the bounds stuff but otherwise seems right :-P
< 1407264140 38014 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found it
< 1407264141 381754 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messing with ip.x and ip.y seems error-prone, you might have to correct ip.storeoffset as well?
< 1407264161 809948 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :g seems to not use the $origin variable
< 1407264202 984707 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1407264226 659674 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright that does not fix it
< 1407264279 915906 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, origin functions pretty much like an additional storage offset
< 1407264395 742749 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, so for some reason, the origin alterations and stuff seems to be bork'd
< 1407264413 504572 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the y coordinate is negative.
< 1407264414 781021 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do ip.x/ip.y relate to ip.coords
< 1407264428 770676 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliases for ip.coords[0] and ip.coords[1]
< 1407264431 741989 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :respectively
< 1407264467 830987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then ip.storeoffset = ip.coords.clone may need some $origin correction?
< 1407264515 477405 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! Thanks!
< 1407264593 61280 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright that was the problem
< 1407264615 207072 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I find out my } code is bork'd
< 1407264627 186816 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1407264630 686444 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1407264641 603291 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd suggest grepping over every use of ip.x/ip.y/ip.coords and check that $origin is used appropriately
< 1407264688 232274 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip.coords/ip.y/ip.x is not used in }
< 1407264690 540189 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's fine
< 1407264710 743818 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't mean you don't have other issues lurking :-P
< 1407264758 830412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is $origin
< 1407264782 500317 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's the offset of (0,0) from where his stored funge-space starts
< 1407264798 621565 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, it's the negation of the minimum stored point
< 1407264821 84005 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1407264827 198454 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what it is
< 1407264844 94876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like TieSoul could use abstracting away the fungespace.
< 1407264904 98314 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean when Mycology says "10 0 0 " after the "BAD: } transfers cells incorrectly"?
< 1407264918 238936 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it output the stack after that or something?
< 1407264931 613743 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically that means that something got confused, lemme check
< 1407265041 929723 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to me like your interpreter got lost and shouldn't be doing that
< 1407265068 708194 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright then
< 1407265070 243540 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should say "Stopping due to fear of corrupt stack stack..." and then stop
< 1407265070 502104 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1407265083 989026 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does say that, but after it says "10 0 0 "
< 1407265103 919068 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it says it without parens
< 1407265106 550813 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strange because the code executed to print that corruption fear is >:#,_@
< 1407265162 540737 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway, I've got to go now. I'll fix it tomorrow :P
< 1407265166 619211 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1407265174 767511 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye
< 1407265211 426311 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology is the mycologiest
< 1407265232 725727 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Re. ; you can usually get the same cheating effect with ", it's just not as convenient
< 1407265352 373146 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1407265714 262998 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And re. push-then-pop vs. #-over-push that might be because I prefer using an instruction from multiple directions whenever possible, even if it's executed only in order to move across it; not sure how much thought I've given it, though
< 1407265800 72359 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407266300 379388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use " to cheat either.
< 1407266344 224485 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the fact that it has other uses makes it less of a "cheater's command"
< 1407266630 533609 :MoALTz__!~no@user-164-127-195-223.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407266811 258536 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-195-223.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1407266836 908187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Substantial noninfringing uses" is the term, I think.
< 1407266969 854997 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be argued that # is as cheating as ;, or are there any necessary uses for it?
< 1407266992 5914 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is great for tight loops
< 1407267024 676272 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and ; also helps with making tight code, which I took as the essence of the "cheating" :-P
< 1407267088 677313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not cheating if it was in Befunge-93, is my definition. :p
< 1407267107 117150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if it's in "the spirit of" '93, like a..f.
< 1407267137 333726 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see :-P
< 1407268195 609899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Darkgamma/SB214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40248&oldid=40242 5* 0394.68.93.112 5* (+1429) 10/* Variables */
< 1407268251 36634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Darkgamma/SB214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40249&oldid=40248 5* 03Darkgamma 5* (-1) 10/* Variables */
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< 1407268688 662682 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Darkgamma/SB214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40250&oldid=40249 5* 03Darkgamma 5* (+261) 10/* Variables */
< 1407268772 682 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Darkgamma/SB214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40251&oldid=40250 5* 03Darkgamma 5* (+13) 10/* Language Idea */
< 1407269361 31337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I am the BytePusher. I have two hundred and sixteen colors, sixteen megabytes of RAM, eight bit sound, sixteen keys, and a single instruction CPU, and I'm, like, so minimalist and sexy, but I can't keep running properly unless my window is in focus.
< 1407269766 124527 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh.
< 1407269910 225392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't find it sexy
< 1407269930 390133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then to each their own taste
< 1407270127 411135 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doyou need tables to do math in bytepusher?
< 1407270180 104418 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. how do youdo conditionals?
< 1407270504 112640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 216 colors seems a bit excessive
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< 1407272458 75945 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening
< 1407272497 164829 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1407272731 348846 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw an interesting talk this evening wherein a webhosting company person described a number of interesting failures they've had
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< 1407273125 609545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i have no opinion on its sexiness. in fact, i like ibniz more. but i was merely quot< 1407275316 779034 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-115.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN #esoteric
< 1407275357 810629 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-115.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1407275437 307207 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can see your d&d games?
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< 1407275458 871220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: There is the recording.
< 1407275485 897060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type it after each session. It is: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex and level20.dvi for the compiled one
< 1407275973 266093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know a language based on reshaping unlabeled binary trees?
< 1407276001 794242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1407276022 888004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, most combinator calculus are reshaping labeled binary trees
< 1407276036 567959 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can be interpreted as such
< 1407276191 762992 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you interpret many things based on rewriting in such a way
< 1407276196 528069 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like haskell probably
< 1407276503 560921 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1407276626 72014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Darkgamma/SB214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40252&oldid=40251 5* 03Darkgamma 5* (+211) 10/* Language Idea */
< 1407276863 30816 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1407276900 107553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, that's not trivial, esp. with explicit recursion
< 1407276925 993904 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407277399 160707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407278747 556713 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would like a language with configurable laziness
< 1407278772 907201 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something more... tweakable than.... here, here's a box, peak and the box is evaluated, and you can never close the box again, 
< 1407278837 799528 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to manipulate the box as needed
< 1407278873 670495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Darkgamma/SB214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40253&oldid=40252 5* 03Darkgamma 5* (+119) 10/* Variables */
< 1407279071 635626 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How else do you want to manipulate the box?
< 1407279097 233656 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reclaiming the memory and turning it back into its original thunk
< 1407279127 42611 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If, e.g., the results of evaluation are significantly larger than the thunk
< 1407279177 208314 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Store the function for producing the box along with the box and replace the box with a new one when you want?
< 1407279259 303271 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the box already contained the function
< 1407279267 695155 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just loses it when it's opened
< 1407279271 295827 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1407279437 428903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GML14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40254&oldid=39196 5* 0368.10.94.234 5* (+94) 10
< 1407279442 985978 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function to compute the *result*; I mean you store the function that makes the *box*, so you can replace the forced one with a fresh one later.
< 1407279566 344664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1407281289 875559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to point out that at least in ghc, the box contains merely a pointer to the function, as well as any needed arguments.
< 1407281319 384685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether or not this is smaller than the result, may depend.
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< 1407283183 941749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <ais523_> Funge-98 has half the advantages of a nomic
< 1407283185 735063 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1214) <ais523_> Funge-98 has half the advantages of a nomic
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< 1407289520 851098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 
< 1407289523 660240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+EF01  - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ee bc 81  UTF-16BE: ef01  Decimal: &#61185; \  () \ Uppercase: U+EF01 \ Category: Co (Other, Private Use) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
< 1407289551 159359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1407289557 113604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this  business
< 1407289581 559124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, someone made it in stackoverflow by accident with a phone
< 1407289642 27686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's just private-use
< 1407289649 772457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does my thing render it
< 1407289664 286871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i'm seeing a square
< 1407289686 311236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emoji, maybe?
< 1407289689 367909 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seeing it rendered, as some kinda diacritic
< 1407289695 286864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==Bike
< 1407289784 711809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s6.fi/ef01.png
< 1407289891 745475 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit more bent for me, but basically the same.
< 1407289896 859334 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1407289899 930366 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a forwardtick too
< 1407289920 673572 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using uh, i think this is dejavu sans mono.
< 1407289921 94655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing is longer than a forwardtick
< 1407290046 582579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unassigned in CSUR...
< 1407290060 747938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION --> sleep

< 1407290085 653086 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unassigned in MUFI
< 1407290132 840612 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode (  )
< 1407290133 829446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS \ UTF-8: 28  UTF-16BE: 0028  Decimal: &#40; \ ( \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \  \ U+EF00  - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ee bc 80  UTF-16BE: ef00  Decimal: &#61184; \  () \ Uppercase: U+EF00 \ Category: Co (Other, Private Use) \ Bidi: L (L
< 1407290259 278181 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl?start=61184&number=128 man i have all the way up to ef19, wtf
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< 1407292925 120102 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: even a pointer to a function and its arguments would presumably prevent the function and its arguments from being GCed...
< 1407293083 756919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the function itself is never GCed, as it's part of the program code...
< 1407293123 760817 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its arguments, plus closure (what would that component be called? context?)
< 1407293148 529088 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special kind of argument?
< 1407293262 9445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a little confusion here, i'm not really talking pointers to haskell functions, but to the C or assembly code used underneath.
< 1407293266 808878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*machine
< 1407293317 814047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just for haskell closures, but for arbitrary "enterable" boxes.
< 1407293413 21496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell closures of course are represented similarly, with the arguments to the C code dividing up into arguments for the closure itself and the "context" you mention
< 1407293498 783866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/Rts/Storage/HeapObjects#Typesofobject
< 1407293620 526917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"free variables" is the term used
< 1407293775 819296 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407293816 85488 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ is so curteous.
< 1407293864 149486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the message is a changeable channel setting, anyway
< 1407293930 105596 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but most channel topics and the like are along the lines of "No pastes, use pasebin. Don't ask to ask, just ask. No LOL"
< 1407294001 317541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not big enough to need that kind much, i think
< 1407294192 463044 :visnu!ThrashIRC@unaffiliated/visnu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407294255 681637 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully nobody asks to ask since most people here are jerks
< 1407294271 701374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1407294411 143717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree you don't need to ask to ask, just ask; if you do ask to ask you should ask the intended question at the same time, atleast!!!
< 1407294424 743320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i
< 1407294441 862173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 lives by that motto
< 1407294481 923578 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a big fan of any words that add little to no meaning to a sentance
< 1407294486 353192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: should you what?
< 1407294497 331784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what i just did?
< 1407294517 196115 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what did you just do?
< 1407294523 261146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: 'm not fan'f meaningless words
< 1407294571 252353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you drunk
< 1407294578 21486 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1407294583 446051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured
< 1407294737 920002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized that using ARR #$FF helps me to save one cycle in the predicate decoding routine of this Famicom Z-machine implementation.
< 1407294762 216604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot use that instruction, it's piracy
< 1407294798 984063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no I can use it as much as I want to.
< 1407294820 347576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr shiver me timbers
< 1407294821 10770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy mateys
< 1407294822 469006 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's okay arrrrjan. i laughed
< 1407294862 428673 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yey@
< 1407294928 178419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaningless words are positively frabjous
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< 1407297045 974861 :wildebeest!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :hyena
< 1407297051 140628 :hyena!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
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< 1407300546 723403 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GML14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40255&oldid=40254 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-94) 10Waste of time; YoYo GML is just a gutted C++ clone.
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< 1407305223 442397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal 214]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40256&oldid=40247 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10gmr, bullets
< 1407306276 950392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck bitwidth conversions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40257&oldid=31446 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+724) 10The old code wasn't working; this code works and is very easy to prove at COMPILE time
< 1407306680 808604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the Portal 2 comment was about a thing in the wiki. That makes more sense.
< 1407306687 788014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Darkgamma/SB214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40258&oldid=40253 5* 03Darkgamma 5* (+1) 10/* Variables */
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< 1407306955 525066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wiki descriptions of Portal{, 2} are lacking the <> instructions.
< 1407306999 336705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's very confusing the way the official description uses the word "the pointer" interchangeably for the data and code pointers.
< 1407307145 595187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck bitwidth conversions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40259&oldid=40257 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+2) 10Regularise the pointer positions so that the > and < needed for cell double/quad code are in the code part.
< 1407307151 146659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :going throuh the portal should switch those, surely
< 1407307154 188499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+g
< 1407307498 619184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "goging" means.
< 1407307816 159653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL LEAN SOM ENGLISH
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< 1407308926 449798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that bit0 of the flag register of 6502 corresponds to the carry flag, must be really useful. At least, it is useful to me.
< 1407309280 116411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an example of what I mean:   http://sprunge.us/IHMF
< 1407309311 970067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously enough, the carry flag is also bit 0 on the Z80 and the x86. Not that I've ever taken advantage of it.
< 1407309346 40382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like that for the purpose of taking advantage of it?
< 1407309356 329079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is there a different reason?
< 1407309731 376377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. But it does make some sort of sense that you might want to get a 1 or 0 based on the carry flag.
< 1407309750 781002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though in x86 these days you could "setc al" no matter which bit it was.)
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< 1407310367 38500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing it in a 6502 code so you can't make "setc al", nor would it seem to help with what I did anyways.
< 1407310448 22427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What I am doing is effectively trying to use two carry flags at once.)
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< 1407311149 148601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my program sensible to you?
< 1407311357 558780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40260&oldid=40082 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+2069) 10/* Sandbox -- Evil tables  */ new section
< 1407311370 107562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GML14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40261&oldid=40255 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+206) 10YoYo GML is not a C++ clone, and even if it was, it is still a language.
< 1407311514 318331 :visnu!ThrashIRC@unaffiliated/visnu PART #esoteric :"Silentium est aureum"
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< 1407313100 359826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not much of a 6502 person. But I did catch the summation of two carry flags. I don't know the "<foo" notation, though. Low byte of a symbol? 
< 1407313330 175979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40263&oldid=40131 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+86) 10/* Performance Matrix */
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< 1407313549 28903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how is it useful for you that the carry flag is in bit 0? I admit I don't really remember much of how the 6502 works.
< 1407313599 968466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40267&oldid=40266 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-1) 10/* Current Version of the awk based converter */
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< 1407314100 353025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You can push the flags, pull them to the accumulator and and with 1; then you can do an add-with-carry operation to essentially increment something by 0, 1 or 2 depending on two "carry flags".
< 1407314116 762997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: At least something approximately like that seemed to be going on.
< 1407314384 755665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but can't you also just LDA #0; ADC #0; to load the carry flag more easily? on the 6502, apparently the load and bitwise instructions don't change the carry flag, but change other flags.
< 1407314421 544096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is push-pull-and faster?
< 1407314547 164371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternately, maybe just push the flags, do the other operation, then do the first increment, then pop flags, then do an ADC #0
< 1407314625 837621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's an even better way
< 1407314659 188399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDA #0; ROL; loads the carry flag too, and is one byte shorter. or is the rotate operation too slow in runtime?
< 1407314669 318223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It changes the carry flag.
< 1407314672 52016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does adc.
< 1407314726 604410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADC changes the carry flag of course, I'm saying LDA or XOR doesn't. let me check another manual thouhg
< 1407314729 119078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could at that point push it, and only then do whatever it is you want to do to get the second carry flag, though.
< 1407314745 604699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bitwise operations don't, that is correct.
< 1407314783 332701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, ROL is no good, it takes way more time than ADC
< 1407314794 201983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slow shifts. sounds like the 386.)
< 1407314812 405638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those do involve wasting the value that was in a after you computed whatever it was to get that first carry flag, though.
< 1407314828 852810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The php-pla-and #1 sequence doesn't.)
< 1407314849 662593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean you want to keep the carry flag and store it?
< 1407314852 843009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1407314872 161501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the carry flag, the value in A, for further use.
< 1407314878 698017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1407314887 934365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "php" just stores it sneakily, and then you can continue on with whatever.
< 1407314941 69242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1407314972 398165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "pla; and #1" is clearly shorter than something like "plp; lda #0; adc #0" that you'd have to do to if the carry flag wasn't bit 0.
< 1407314982 106034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disclaimer: I'm not the one making the claim it's a useful property.
< 1407315021 869114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd do the first addition, store the accumulator, then do the LDA #0; ADC #0; to get the carry flag, save it, but I guess what you're saying could make sense sometimes
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< 1407315099 169022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it avoids one instance of "store the accumulator, then restore when the carry flag is safe".
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< 1407317347 438933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.dota2.com/wp-includes/js/jquery/jquery.js
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< 1407320932 602512 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys
< 1407321045 65712 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi TieSoul
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< 1407321452 987016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes the Befunge? 
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< 1407321568 453511 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1407321579 478130 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out why Mycology says my } isn't working.
< 1407321640 572038 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the code for it: http://bpaste.net/show/rHfjWmCOwBCIh3eY7NGi/
< 1407321655 988603 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also tested it and it seems to be working correctly.
< 1407321693 409345 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it doesn't transfer correctly
< 1407321760 217709 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1407321775 160834 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my code for if n > ip.stackstack[-1].length is wrong.
< 1407321832 121390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was about to say so. It seems to prepend 0s to the SOSS itself, not the copied block.
< 1407321864 108280 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1407321944 672547 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after fixing this Mycology still says it transfers incorrectly.
< 1407321968 395301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not sure about the number of 0s. If n is 5 and ip.stackstack[-1].length is 3, (n-ip.stackstack[-1].length-1) = (5-3-1) = 1 zero, not two.
< 1407322056 281697 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, I fixed that too
< 1407322064 721414 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology still BADs
< 1407322081 296948 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no BADs before that btw
< 1407322171 978956 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also I found a minor Mycology bug, it has three dots that are supposed to be in stringmode but aren't.
< 1407322231 838641 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a corrupt stackstack error
< 1407322444 797518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, so it seems.
< 1407322527 953115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Deewiant mycology.b98, line 72, columns 128..148 (1-based):  "upt stack stack"...a  should presumably have the ... inside string mode.
< 1407322528 435328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1407322532 47791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best to report these things.
< 1407322616 457281 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, so do you know what could cause that BAD? I think my } code works correctly now.
< 1407322662 891723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't catch anything in the code. Of course, I didn't see the new one. (Which BAD message it was, exactly?)
< 1407322684 26915 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an @clear-messages or something
< 1407322685 610118 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1407322689 417457 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: } transfers cells incorrectly
< 1407322703 873443 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stopping due to fear of corrupt stack stack...
< 1407322766 463751 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fixed as of Thu Nov 1 13:44:46 2012 +0200
< 1407322775 942046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1407322781 55026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my version that old? 
< 1407322794 300007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just went with what I had unzipped in ~/tmp/mycology/ in ages past.
< 1407322795 143610 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :new code here http://bpaste.net/show/N1asth8vqyMpcvvZ8SP3/
< 1407322809 20119 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? I just redownloaded Mycology and it had that in
< 1407322813 302678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the command is exactly @clear-messages.)
< 1407322837 949331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The latest version, 2010–04–01".
< 1407322843 298136 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possibly I haven't made a newer release
< 1407322961 670017 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/iGNa anyway that's what you're missing so it's not a big deal
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< 1407323369 578747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 9876543215{$$$$$$542}......@
< 1407323370 86202 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 5 6 7 8 9
< 1407323395 11067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: You get the same output from the above? It's the simplified version of what mycology tests, though it also does the storage offset tests that complicate things.
< 1407323420 204433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And all those $s are actually w's testing the {.)
< 1407323431 372586 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't, I get 4 5 5 6 7 8 for some reason
< 1407323458 532109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious. Well, that's a lot simpler test case, at least.
< 1407323464 39528 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/4rf9GJaJDTOBCpZfPtBX/
< 1407323472 385051 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the debug mode output for that program
< 1407323518 182610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, that 5 is left in both the TOSS and SOSS.
< 1407323541 533865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stack: [5, 4, 3, 2, 1]"  "SOSS: [9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 0, 0]"  around line 115.
< 1407323551 928789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps double-check your {, then.
< 1407323587 4946 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1407323658 335243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology seems to be kind of testing both the { and the } simultaneously there, in that it looks for 4 5 6 7 8 9 where the "4 5" is transferred with 2} and the "6 7 8 9" should be left behind by the earlier 5{.
< 1407323733 588936 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip.stackstack[-2] = ip.stackstack[-2][0..-n] is where the error lies
< 1407323745 384006 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing that to ip.stackstack[-2] = ip.stackstack[-2][0..-n-1] should fix the error
< 1407323765 445401 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1407323766 959485 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1407323768 942567 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not it
< 1407323865 523826 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that was it
< 1407323866 442889 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1407323886 797496 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, no errors in u
< 1407323890 228085 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to implement y.
< 1407324712 301658 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407325035 625186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind if there was something simpler than {0{2un02-u0} or some-such to do "{ except no storage offset change". (The quoted bit is not even really that; that would be something uglier like fyey0{2u\0{2u0} for 0{ or even worse for a non-zero argument of {.)
< 1407325075 877028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming I could make myself to use the stack stack in the first place, that is.)
< 1407325265 164755 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1407325870 382092 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407325882 566906 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407325945 91856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, there's a Famous Guy giving a talk on the current state-of-the-art in speech synthesis, and I'm going to miss it. :/
< 1407325946 531805 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found { useful in some of the fingerprint tests in mycology, possibly just because the y coordinate was getting tediously big
< 1407326054 471011 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I had a great idea for representing fungespace in an interpreter
< 1407326059 753191 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :map fungespace to your address space
< 1407326079 818004 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then whenever you want to access a particular area of space, you mmap an allocation over it if the memory's currently unaddressable
< 1407326085 850282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds vaguely familiar.
< 1407326095 351315 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would probably require reducing the size of an int to, say, 24
< 1407326121 295320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly even less than that, since there's only 47 bits of userland address space on Typical Systems.
< 1407326152 480955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And perhaps you'd want to use some of it for, say, the program.)
< 1407326289 673260 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was assuming the entire 64-bit address space could be logical addresses, if not physical
< 1407326300 835595 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't even get logical access to most of it, that makes things worse
< 1407326307 688612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, no. The 48-bit canonical address restriction applies to virtual addresses.
< 1407326324 180543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it wouldn't save in the number of page table hierarchy levels you'd need.
< 1407326339 860198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And address translation hardware and whatnot.)
< 1407326345 417843 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this team number thing btw?
< 1407326363 94661 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A relic, ignore it
< 1407326370 135606 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can just push 0
< 1407326371 441252 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1407326378 700345 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1407326384 219308 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
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< 1407326431 135517 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree, I am closed to convinced that ccbi and cfunge are on different teams
< 1407326441 245100 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :Guest90901
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< 1407326450 315596 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, perhaps
< 1407326454 535278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it's not quite kosher spec-wise, I'm sure a reasonable number of actual programs would run even in systems where the (potential) funge-space dimensions don't match the cell size.
< 1407326466 796578 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1407326482 771267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also if you just mask out higher bits, you get an interesting space where the contents are duplicated in a grid-like thing.)
< 1407326500 882173 :Guest90901!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :augur_
< 1407326503 692075 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1407326505 14781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analogous to having ROM pages visible at several addresses or whatnot.
< 1407326523 986790 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that /would/ break many programs, if a lahey-line happened to hit one of the copies
< 1407326534 986338 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll call my interpreter RubyFunge
< 1407326542 608681 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can have the handprint RUFU
< 1407326552 521793 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1407326559 846255 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your handprint doesn't have to match your interpreter's name
< 1407326593 148844 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1407326604 739096 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want it to
< 1407326605 680708 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1407326627 150115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Possibly not as much for non-flying deltas.
< 1407326631 173569 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you convert it again?
< 1407326642 49887 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: was trying to work that out
< 1407326655 779264 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orthogonals would be OK, but even diagonals would be bad
< 1407326663 401417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print unpack('N', 'RUFU');
< 1407326663 891352 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1381320277
< 1407326673 410738 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1407326717 366653 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I push as cell size? Ruby automatically uses bignums on overflow.
< 1407326720 308204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no x's in fungot either, I'm (again) "proud" to say.
< 1407326720 507168 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can always make a subclass called fnord and writes img fnord" in the list. i guess
< 1407326738 786259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I shouldn't be so terribly proud of being unable to leverage the language features.
< 1407326739 270684 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I push -1?
< 1407326755 313099 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 and 0 have been the two typically used with bignums, IIRC
< 1407326766 616341 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the fungespace also bignum?
< 1407326782 76346 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 seems like the best option, though, it's infinity in one's complement
< 1407326790 230314 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 0 is infinity in two's complement
< 1407326818 940987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There should be a program that starts with a diagonal x and uses only ] and [ to change delta from then on
< 1407326835 238127 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is ais
< 1407326847 61529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How would you feel like being tilted 45 degrees? 
< 1407326847 367910 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i laughed out load at pikhq's last-but-one sentence in which you evaluate the whole thing from the outside?
< 1407326898 204547 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering what pikhq's last-but-one sentence is
< 1407326905 492860 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without the logs in HackEgo, it's hard to tell
< 1407326974 275885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this channel, I believe it's  2014-07-20 03:15:13+0300   pikhq   As it only uses lines that are on the cartridge port, you could just have a weird cartridge with a parallel port on it.
< 1407326975 219413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It was in fact you doing the laughing, so you ought to remember.
< 1407326997 256308 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not sure if I remember everything I've laughed at in the past
< 1407326997 970977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: You also got a funny look from the person sitting next to you.
< 1407327027 458698 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I've got in trouble for laughing too much at #esoteric before now
< 1407327054 429815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helpful log fairy: http://sprunge.us/VdiZ
< 1407327091 289490 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As it only uses lines that are on the cartridge port, you could just have a weird cartridge with a parallel port on it."
< 1407327101 361483 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well someone already got it
< 1407327131 435484 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, the line in question made me laugh /again/
< 1407327134 798789 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I guess it's funny
< 1407327208 959276 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what you could do instead
< 1407327215 741361 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be for if(x); to set a global flag
< 1407327221 954349 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then(y); to run y if the flag was true
< 1407327227 762056 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :else(z); to run z if the flag was false
< 1407327231 362476 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't FORTH do something like that?
< 1407327366 804635 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sane option is of course if_else(x,y,z);
< 1407327541 229778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTH syntax is   <condition> IF <true-branch> ELSE <false-branch> THEN
< 1407327559 939009 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1407327575 339619 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the point where someone explains it to me again because I know it's for a good reason but I can't remember what it is
< 1407327617 980267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's all just jumps. The IF word pops a value, and jumps past the matching ELSE/THEN word if it was false, otherwise proceeds.
< 1407327641 27460 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I did some searching of my own
< 1407327650 144636 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's written the way it is because the else is optional
< 1407327654 726466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1407327669 824983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<condition> IF <true-branch> THEN is also just fine.
< 1407327680 419033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gforth (IIRC) provides a (recommended?) alias of "ENDIF" for "THEN".
< 1407327718 787249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it  a IF b ENDIF  or  a IF b ELSE c ENDIF  depending on if an else is present.
< 1407327775 436597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be recommended, since the non-reference section of the manual on selection statements -- https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/Docs-html/Selection.html -- only mentions the ENDIF.
< 1407327777 671660 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this page also suggests that it's idiomatic to use + for boolean-or, and AND for boolean-and
< 1407327788 390993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's there, I just missed it.
< 1407327795 444240 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess this is because true is -1
< 1407327801 991300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can use THEN instead of ENDIF. Indeed, THEN is standard, and ENDIF is not, although it is quite popular. We recommend using ENDIF, because it is less confusing for people who also know other languages (and is not prone to reinforcing negative prejudices against Forth in these people)."
< 1407327803 197964 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1 * -1) + -1 is 0
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< 1407327832 551626 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need at least one of AND and OR in order to get working logicals
< 1407327855 308862 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need both because you can get the other one via arithmetic
< 1407327866 217589 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's also the chance of integer overflow if you use both + and * on booleans
< 1407327882 767822 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because addition is cheaper than multiplication, I guess you use + and AND
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< 1407328433 386253 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? Mycology says z takes 0 ticks when it doesn't and 5kz takes more than 3 ticks when it takes exactly 3.
< 1407328556 714722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's testing that multiple IPs are properly in sync, any number of things could be wrong
< 1407328560 369741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!forth  true 64 0 [?do] dup + [loop] .  true 64 0 [?do] dup or [loop] .
< 1407328560 978679 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -1
< 1407328573 476465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ^ it's still a bit of a problem.
< 1407328599 558493 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get better at Forth, really
< 1407328615 595406 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one idea I've had is a completely from-the-metal compiler stack where everything that happens can easily be manually inspected
< 1407328618 374701 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using minimal compilers, etc.
< 1407328655 670130 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to start with 6502 machine code because it's a) reasonably legible, b) there are /tons/ of emulators, c) the bare metal is not impossible to find, d) it's old enough that it's unlikely to have a strong AI in it rewriting any programs that run to include backdoors
< 1407328681 828889 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, we can probably assume that there's a certain filesize below which strong AI is impossible, that would make things easier
< 1407328898 741247 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 bytes
< 1407328964 667715 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be too small to do other, useful, non-strong-AI things, though
< 1407329306 122972 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, I made it through Mycology with only a few BADs :D
< 1407329331 8225 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/Te5ks6DC5LQiEgfBvyYU/
< 1407329337 951390 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the output :D
< 1407329397 626911 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw you can see my environment variables because I forgot to snip lol
< 1407329412 364817 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I mind terribly
< 1407329531 546792 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, now my Ruby implementation is better than my Python one was :P
< 1407329610 508416 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: FWIW I've planned to make that topmost UNDEF a BAD, just haven't got around to it
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< 1407329805 595864 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those 0 outputs from BASE also seem questionable
< 1407329852 913256 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set it to output 0 if it encounters an ArgumentError
< 1407329886 577781 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflection would make more sense
< 1407329934 244835 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've had an idea for a Mycology test
< 1407329943 769121 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407329948 942734 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the int size from y; place " signs at opposite ends of the playfield
< 1407329955 414731 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then see how many spaces the resulting string contains
< 1407329967 187540 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :Guest17804
< 1407329979 760804 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not portable due to bignum interpreters
< 1407329986 60597 :Guest17804!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :augur_
< 1407329994 738057 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's already UNDEF: the empty string wrapped around the edge of space contains 1 character(s) (hopefully spaces)
< 1407329999 131024 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could UNDEF it on those
< 1407330002 877284 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that UNDEF is what inspired me
< 1407330008 237766 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be different if you hit the edge of the playfield
< 1407330014 698652 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, fair enough
< 1407330070 667758 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it actually output unary (00000...) and reflect on all other unrecognized bases now.
< 1407330163 660584 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://bpaste.net/show/cANhkUMEU3eQTolZXhbj/
< 1407330213 48357 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps Befunge2K would work better if all instructions had a random chance of reflecting, rather than if all instructions had a random chance of doing nothing
< 1407330224 704022 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in the latter version, ; was still 100% reliable
< 1407330239 940194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the former version, r is still 100% reliable ;-)
< 1407330276 267695 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but that's what you'd expect from the semantics
< 1407330279 294976 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than being a special case
< 1407330298 213848 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting thought experiment, though, trying to write 100% reliable Funge-98 programs if the instructions themselves are unreliable
< 1407330312 651185 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I vaguely liked the concept of Java2K, but the implementation is awful
< 1407330319 574496 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wanted to make a better language
< 1407330332 597370 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1407330359 897240 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that ; is a marker instead of an instruction, like space
< 1407330390 537380 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :RubyFunge is so much faster than my Python implementation :P
< 1407330417 232573 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, that's why I felt OK special-casing it
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< 1407330501 133597 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit
< 1407330513 436823 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int foo(void){}; int main(void){if(0) {asm volatile("comefrom foo"); puts("test");} foo(); return 0;}
< 1407330517 83995 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1407330523 923185 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1407330543 701819 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it normally do that on invalid programs? I forgot the colons
< 1407330553 185869 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int foo(void){}; int main(void){if(0) {asm volatile("comefrom foo" : : ); puts("test");} foo(); puts("bar"); return 0;}
< 1407330555 327375 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1407330564 970812 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void){
< 1407330566 478869 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile.
< 1407330584 7891 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused :-(
< 1407330597 802135 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void){puts("Hello, world!"); return 0;}
< 1407330599 824360 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1407330600 568043 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1407330613 371843 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c puts("Hello, world!");
< 1407330615 451968 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1407330623 184865 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I guess I redefined main inside main, then didn't run it
< 1407330641 447859 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int foo(void){}; if(0) {asm volatile("comefrom foo" : : ); puts("test");} foo(); puts("bar"); return 0;
< 1407330643 548262 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bar
< 1407330647 73674 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1407330652 392378 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407330942 144375 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {puts("test");} main();
< 1407330944 207227 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1407330966 69205 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {int main(void) {puts("another test");} puts("test"); main();} main();
< 1407330968 213914 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :test \ another test
< 1407330979 896306 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems useful for the IOCCC, even though it isn't standard
< 1407331073 875741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an automatic main wrapper in !c? Didn't remember that.
< 1407331119 942606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also didn't know that GCC nested functions can have the same name as the containing function, though in retrospect it's reasonable enough, since variables can, too.
< 1407331267 595735 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't think there was either, but that should be conclusive proof
< 1407331286 365475 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1407331303 792431 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there was some debate over whether compilers should be required to optimise out asm statements in untaken conditionals
< 1407331315 833513 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when Mycology loads ROMA then MODU it says M reflects, but when I try it in a test program it works fine.
< 1407331319 912674 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever compiler EgoBot's using (presumably gcc) seems to, at least, even with asm volatile
< 1407331356 144059 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be optimizing out my comefrom statement :-(
< 1407331510 146678 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AMOR"4("UDOM"4(#@M.@ outputs 0 in my implementation but Mycology says M reflects in this case.
< 1407331590 127534 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!funge98 "AMOR"4("UDOM"4(#@M.@ 
< 1407331602 800907 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4("UDOM"4(#@M.@
< 1407331603 288311 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1407331606 63436 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1407331644 234051 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AMOR"4("UDOM"4(#@\M.@
< 1407331648 775503 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1407331652 323144 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4("UDOM"4(#@\M.@
< 1407331652 873929 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1407331672 763263 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also outputs 1 in my interpreter
< 1407331750 406009 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4("UDOM"4(#@\M."UDOM"4)#@M."AMOR"4)#@M.@
< 1407331750 934995 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1000
< 1407331790 447340 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does this in RubyFunge
< 1407331862 812658 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4("UDOM"4(n#@M.@
< 1407331863 422304 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1407331881 631269 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that makes a difference?
< 1407331903 604727 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1407331905 710510 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see
< 1407331924 567777 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, that seems to reflect
< 1407331951 523517 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally made it reflect if a == 0
< 1407331961 7350 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :b == 0*
< 1407332037 317953 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now it's all GOODs
< 1407332039 861165 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1407332047 37379 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part anyway
< 1407332089 574935 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you unload ROMA and then M has ROMA semantics :P
< 1407332190 436824 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was an important test for some interpreter IIRC, likely RC/Funge-98
< 1407332349 191852 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/aUqZJFMrDzTbpc8jIduD/
< 1407332350 401466 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1407332568 611675 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :When MODE is unloaded, should hover/invert/switch/queuemode be disabled?
< 1407332589 211870 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should other IPs inherit those modes in concurrent Funge?
< 1407332655 129203 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: why are you looking for unloaded commands on the playfield?
< 1407332666 964887 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: That's output from his interpreter
< 1407332672 906134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Somewhat UNDEF, though I'd suggest no and yes respectively
< 1407332675 757071 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "encountered"
< 1407332685 304944 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: oh, right
< 1407332690 488392 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to change it to that too
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< 1407333080 207834 :Guest50711!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk NICK :Zuu
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< 1407337154 248062 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40268&oldid=40227 5* 03Nucular 5* (+108) 10New VM implementation
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< 1407339761 6601 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/counting/ < this has got to be the best place on the internet.
< 1407339796 662662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that unlikely for a place starting with reddit.com
< 1407339819 984159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is pretty terrifying
< 1407339884 285094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/counting/comments/2bj5fg/live_counting/ ...
< 1407339886 182511 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good subreddit
< 1407339898 450369 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We reached 10k today (Congratulations to /u/KingCaspianX for the get).
< 1407339905 185378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think these people have even emptier lives than I do.
< 1407339913 856477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :live
< 1407339914 835355 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~10 viewers
< 1407340400 986365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to have given up
< 1407340478 208630 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the normal counting threads
< 1407341101 430294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh huh
< 1407341107 967693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit killed the epic thread
< 1407341841 617221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshit a NEW implementation of bytepusher?
< 1407341916 535049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well JsBP works but the audio is terrible :/
< 1407342069 766738 :nucular!~BAAH@unaffiliated/nucular PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1407342082 662716 :nucular!~BAAH@unaffiliated/nucular PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hi :P
< 1407342088 615806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1407342338 287675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: killed howso?
< 1407342425 169430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they changed the archiving logic, now you can't reply to a comment if the original submission's over 6 months old
< 1407342505 81329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah
< 1407343463 492115 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what epic thread?
< 1407344402 101586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now read the replies to my message about the carry flag in bit0. I can tell you that using shift/rotate instructions on the accumulator is not slow; it is slow if operating on memory.
< 1407344479 943935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in MagicKit, the < prefix means zero-page operation.
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< 1407344828 750747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul, google 'epic thread reddit', that should help
< 1407345128 4356 :vjoba!~quassel@ip-89-177-133-209.net.upcbroadband.cz PART #esoteric :"http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."
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< 1407346295 474385 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stapler14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40269 5* 03Mobac 5* (+2699) 10Created page with "'' 'Staple' '' - [[esoteric programming language]], created in 2011 [http://speccy.info/Kakos_nonos Alexander Zavgorodny].   On the official website there is documentation on ..."
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< 1407356733 751247 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to archive a website which will disappear soon and is getting rather annoyed.

< 1407356810 724655 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Polish and the text looks slightly different to the original when viewed on archive.org
< 1407356853 742465 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some characters change, e.g. "Podstaw�" -> "Podstaw?"
< 1407356919 354620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an encoding issue
< 1407357124 716535 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That question mark displays as an a-ogonek here.
< 1407357163 977059 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if the browser sometimes picks a charset depending on the TLD.

< 1407357203 603732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless, if the header (or META, for HTML documents) specifies a charset it should use that one instead if possible.
< 1407357237 804466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's http header stuff.
< 1407357244 566356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably adjust the charset used in your browser's menus
< 1407357409 708882 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The header specifies Windows-1250 so I don't understand why it displays differently. I'll convert it to UTF-8 when I figure which is correct...
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< 1407362411 821622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Deewiant <Deewiant> Is there an @clear-messages or something <-- yes.
< 1407362412 312644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1407362430 866086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cl
< 1407362431 451382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: clear-auto-reply clear-messages clear-topic pl
< 1407362439 784146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1407362442 644775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-m
< 1407362443 244558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
< 1407362583 109359 :nucular!~BAAH@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Client Quit) (Don't be sad
< 1407363437 645614 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oerjan, Bike: I have found out about U+EF01 in DejaVu Sans, namely that it and the surrounding glyphs are pieces to compose tone contours with. This particular one appears to be the high-to-extrahigh element used for the sequence ˦˥ , which compare with  .
< 1407363593 342093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll like point out i cannot read most of your other characters either
< 1407363596 602738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+to
< 1407363900 993474 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ˦˥
< 1407363901 602139 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+02E6 MODIFIER LETTER HIGH TONE BAR] [U+02E5 MODIFIER LETTER EXTRA-HIGH TONE BAR]
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< 1407368071 368192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION made a comment on the sillies /r/counting thread he found

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< 1407373754 865034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let repl1 x n = x:replicate (n-1) x in fix $ concat . zipWith repl1 (cycle [1,2])
< 1407373759 174680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1407373764 607340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
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< 1407376997 633731 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm being asked to interview someone soon
< 1407377005 404984 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1407377012 731377 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of questions, but I wonder if they're too ... trivia-ish...
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< 1407379916 262799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interview for what position?
< 1407380635 389223 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :web developer, mostly just helping with bugfixes
< 1407380755 671831 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the obvious thing to do is give them a piece of buggy code
< 1407380765 392509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like yahoo's foo.js
< 1407380799 525013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if they can identify the bugs from the listing and write up a fix for them
< 1407380978 161725 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard of yahoo foo.js before
< 1407380992 211166 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Google isn't helpful
< 1407381034 69386 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could use actual bugs we've fixed I guess, if we have simple ones
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< 1407395589 168008 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever again doubt why pure profunctor lenses are better in a strict environment than van Laarhoven lenses, remind me that the pure profunctor lenses may automatically be giving me apporpriate laziness
< 1407395608 1578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pure profunctor lenses are the best.
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< 1407414109 180627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random trivia fact: in the Finnish translation of William Gibson's Neuromancer, the "Turing cops" (who watch over AIs) are translated as "Torinon kytät", lit. "the cops of Torino", after the Italian name of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin
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< 1407415229 213194 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty dumb.
< 1407415338 546405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the longest time, I thought they just happened to have their HQ in Turin or something.
< 1407415766 446575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1407417051 435748 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to read Neuromancer again...

< 1407417302 400448 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what's a fun research paper that everyone should read?
< 1407417314 433632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you've read the Shannon one? 
< 1407417332 779282 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have I don't know it by that name
< 1407417340 159788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Mathematical Theory of Communication.
< 1407417353 812811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have
< 1407417370 765764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www3.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/vol27-1948/articles/bstj27-3-379.pdf
< 1407417374 286911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's famous, at least.
< 1407417402 502956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And influential. The "fun" aspect might be debatable.
< 1407417426 924710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of fungot-speak in it, that's fun.
< 1407417427 145868 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or is it more to my taste than cl does some similar kind of cases
< 1407417656 898865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tends to pop up on those "important papers in CS and related fields" lists, along with the Turing one.
< 1407417813 114370 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask because I have printer credit to use up
< 1407417868 633698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know something about the classics (and good recent reviews) of speech stuff (and maybe some machine learning staples), but I don't think any of those really fall into "everyone should read" category.
< 1407417891 888833 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407417895 430329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "might be interesting to Taneb" category
< 1407417903 404376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're interested in.
< 1407417914 985905 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407417931 175825 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, neither do I, for the most part
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< 1407418032 856704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Individual famous algorithms can be a fun read, perhaps. There's any number to choose from.
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< 1407418134 81791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_important_publications_in_theoretical_computer_science has quite a few things that sound plausible.
< 1407418145 290704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's not such a terribly long list.)
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< 1407420198 249019 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a little Mycology-like test suite for some fingerprints that aren't in Mycology :P
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< 1407423455 73253 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I've got so far: http://bpaste.net/show/bwcFMj6vcyhvMyhwstWq/
< 1407423504 882379 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, it still doesn't work right
< 1407423505 869160 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1407423563 343955 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/iGTKPBIvpWpjPsrzsx4h/ think I fixed it
< 1407423575 41879 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no I didn't
< 1407423649 618583 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/6ASOe0ccG6ok8kuaxI52/ this one is fixed
< 1407423688 931237 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it doesn't work if you don't have IMTH
< 1407423794 427344 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/KoCfMK1c8GKPkGnBxnPo/ this one should work if you don't have IMTH :P
< 1407423811 885936 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for posting so much I just failed making Befunge code and wanted to rectify it :P
< 1407423868 641397 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/onmp6DNdhWnzHzRdwlCj/ I found ANOTHER failure in the code and fixed it. This one should work. :P
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< 1407424244 291693 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it goes into an infinite loop of saying " Not l " if you don't have it :S
< 1407424312 388382 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I don't see why it would do that.
< 1407424342 434656 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whoops I had the old version saved
< 1407424344 242564 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind
< 1407424445 119657 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how bpaste has befunge syntax highlighting.
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< 1407427009 670105 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul
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< 1407427480 872325 :qlkzy_!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com NICK :qlkzy
< 1407427974 540755 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40270&oldid=40260 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+199) 10plainly so
< 1407428589 400609 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16485.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407429738 559210 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ttyl
< 1407429813 383011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1407430840 228154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1407433614 455605 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/lE84Cd59n8pIc7HLS79o/ I added a whole lot of fingerprints to RubyFunge.
< 1407434300 456172 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16485.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1407434687 767119 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-output/fp-fixp/Language-Befunge.txt made me laugh.
< 1407434715 296893 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean seriously, 900000?
< 1407434717 545671 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1407434944 161605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $a = $ip->spop / PRECISION; $ip->spush( int ( rad2deg( asin_real($a) ) * PRECISION ) );
< 1407434952 603505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it is.
< 1407435013 670194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math::Trig, asin_real: "Return a real-valued arcus sine if the input is between [-1, 1], inclusive the endpoints. For inputs greater than one, pi/2 is returned.  For inputs less than minus one, -pi/2 is returned."
< 1407435017 674137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've just inherited that.
< 1407435125 73917 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1407435174 179353 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcus sine, huh
< 1407435279 453838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "arkussini" in Finnish.
< 1407435675 781564 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Arcussinus” in German.
< 1407435700 904349 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a synonym for a sneeze, i assume
< 1407435934 341082 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it arcosine or arccosine in english i wonder
< 1407436249 527978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: no, it's arcsine
< 1407436262 96528 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1407436298 399550 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16485.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407436376 101711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: i've nevre seen arcosine
< 1407436610 243392 :scoofy!~blah@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also called cos^(-1)
< 1407436782 636071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc'o'Sine.
< 1407437018 345640 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's what it actually means though
< 1407437201 729453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40271&oldid=40243 5* 03Madflame991 5* (+604) 10/* Compilation */ Added info on the Befunjit compiler
< 1407437463 345456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it sounds like a pirate thing.
< 1407437675 456393 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.145.113 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407438206 806633 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so happy that I've made a Befunge interpreter that gets all the way through Mycology :D
< 1407438271 596172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you just have to remove all the BADs, then you can be twice as happy.
< 1407438278 466761 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1407438291 650084 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :And add some of the more tricky fingerprints
< 1407438374 280830 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for now
< 1407438378 691091 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bed
< 1407438381 107920 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya guys
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< 1407445204 992715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still writing some Z-machine compiler.
< 1407445241 16096 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407445601 48925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: compiler to z-machine or from z-machine?
< 1407446102 938028 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fun! I'm on the design stages of an 8-bit stack machine.
< 1407446269 527678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407446330 615462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Into Z-machine
< 1407446353 505879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-machine is not very good for compiling *from*, as it isn't a Restricted Harvard machine.
< 1407446387 876942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This compiler is only compiling for ZIP, not EZIP or XZIP; I plan to then make another one which targets XZIP.
< 1407446413 688389 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XZIP IT!
< 1407446487 359115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, OASYS binaries use a Restricted Harvard format so you can compile from them easily enough as you can compile into them.
< 1407446676 858189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are some example codes accepted by this compiler:  [DEFINE TANDY? [ [BTST [GETB 0 1] 8] ]] [DEFINE STATUS-LINE? [ [NOT [BTST [GETB 0 1] 16]] ] [DEFINE PRINTER-ON [ [PUT 0 8 [BOR [GET 0 8] 1]] ] [DEFINE ZORKID [ [ASSIGN 0 1 #] ]] [DEFINE ZERO? [ [CUSTOM-VALUE 128 2 #$] ]]  and so on
< 1407446694 254473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All of this is part of the standard library, so you don't need to type them in yourself.)
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< 1407446914 213679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good or problem or what?
< 1407446921 685481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: OK let's see, what did you make up so far?
< 1407447154 828127 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Basically just the instruction list and some very basic ideas about the architecture. I'll start actually putting it to code tomorrow.
< 1407447389 388613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. What idea did you have?
< 1407447405 533983 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the gist: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3hWDeEiNI5abERGUkJPNXFfZzg/edit
< 1407447425 163235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have one that isn't Google Docs? Do you have it in HTML or text?
< 1407447454 607624 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I'll pastebin it.
< 1407447457 921712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1407447521 468130 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/zRtcHXjL
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< 1407449756 622701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have description of some of the instructions?
< 1407449835 406195 :Guest14905!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407450301 756853 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not yet. Need to extend my notes to a proper documentation. Most of it's pretty much as you'd expect, save for some of the more arcane abbreviations (PuFA - "Push From Address", PoTA "Pop To Adress", JIF "Jump IF", and the IOPush/Pop sets (TRM = terminal, TAP = tape)
< 1407450329 246606 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do a full LyX doc for it soon.
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< 1407453462 552012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Actually I guessed what those stood for. Now I know my guess is correct. It still doesn't explain some of them very much, though.
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< 1407457009 315960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phys.org/news/2014-08-language-accommodates-multiple-languages.html
< 1407457028 492058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultimate polyglot. these people are true esolangers.
< 1407457629 703316 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :composable languages?
< 1407457641 730407 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This related to what Racket fails utterly horribly at?
< 1407457667 572293 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you can compose languages that are designed to be composed in Racket
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< 1407459503 492869 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it did make a reference to previous attempts failing
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< 1407468586 475994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made this 6502 variant:  http://zzo38computer.org/misc/more_misc/opcode6502.htm
< 1407468601 513749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the document is given there; there is not the implementation.
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< 1407471395 711836 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.145.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a four-letter 6502 mnemonic?!
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< 1407475607 49826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are supposed to be only three letters long.
< 1407475637 180618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the signal names can be different length than such things.
< 1407477698 286965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have filled in all 256 instruction opcodes, with no duplicates.
< 1407477992 447055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: uh, I don't understand that 6502 variant. is there some explanation somewhere?
< 1407478195 202033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is all written on there, I think, isn't it?
< 1407478234 562535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh wait!
< 1407478243 976138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructions marked in green are ordinary 6502 instructions. The ones in red are unofficial instructions, which are official in this variant.
< 1407478268 691078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the AMP changes the address mode from the first address mode listed to the second address mode in the list at the top, right?
< 1407478270 757360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue indicate new instructions (some have similar functions as already existing ones, so they have the same name).
< 1407478274 380721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes.
< 1407478293 631182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the W and Q are extra index registers, but there seems to be no instructions to directly store them
< 1407478387 91020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there NOP instructions with one or two bytes of arbitrary arguments (possibly with a memory load as a side effect)? 6502 has those as unofficial instructions and I think those can be useful in self-modifying code, and you will do self-modifying code in 6502 anyway
< 1407478389 171138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are extra registers with a few uses, but there are several limitations
< 1407478415 185284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes; they are called IGN here.
< 1407478427 109902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! I was searching for NOP
< 1407478436 525574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1407478478 99206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The effect is the same as you describe, though.)
< 1407478542 124918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's an addresss mode like ($00),IP++
< 1407478549 262867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds quite complicated
< 1407478599 452216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads a two-byte address from zero-page and a two byte address from the IP register, and adds them, to get an address, and increments the two-byte IP?
< 1407478614 676674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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< 1407485991 633178 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would that be useful for?
< 1407486007 722318 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :("that" being the "($00),IP++" address mode)
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< 1407493043 133063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, Google doesn't do time zone conversions for queries of the form "X TZ1 in TZ2".
< 1407493047 872168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like it does for units and such.
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< 1407505681 667265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HarryCuningham 5*  10New user account
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< 1407506936 396509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JPeroutek 5*  10New user account
< 1407506986 399836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40273&oldid=40185 5* 03JPeroutek 5* (+0) 10Corrected a minor misspelling.
< 1407507116 444293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good to see people willing to register user accounts for fixing typos.
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< 1407509028 902432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to, do you...?
< 1407510572 189563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of, no.
< 1407510594 304624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess then you're just a lower-class IP address person.
< 1407510597 860386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peer pressure and all that.
< 1407510710 676052 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40274&oldid=39225 5* 0380.220.227.141 5* (+38) 10I edit anonymously and I VOTE
< 1407510738 171587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you don't have to.
< 1407510840 529908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not ipv6.
< 1407510842 902280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again.
< 1407511576 772327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40275&oldid=40274 5* 030:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 5* (-38) 10How about this then?
< 1407511600 742996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VPS doesn't have an IPv6 address, I had to make some sacrifices.
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< 1407514165 554324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you need letters to see MW's freaky uppercase ipv6 addresses.
< 1407514497 65170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ips of the upper class
< 1407514871 917003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could've gotten the link-local fe80:: one to happen. Oh well.
< 1407517021 437160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is down?
< 1407517030 917675 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no
< 1407517034 336548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just incredibly slow
< 1407517062 151057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to blame CloudAtCocks again.
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< 1407518847 364643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I was thinking if you want auto increment reading, although maybe that isn't the best way.
< 1407518860 980943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could certainly change some things if it would help.
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< 1407519943 921586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More esolangs.org traffic statistics: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140808-data.png
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< 1407526438 528189 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A diamond worth �12K was dropped from the sky near here for a treasure hunt today!
< 1407526534 307357 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find it?
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< 1407527190 396683 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :-(
< 1407527236 245944 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It landed somewhere within a 10 mile diameter circle.
< 1407527288 994468 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I tied to find something I had the grid reference (location to approx 100 metres) and still didn't find it!
< 1407527496 920141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to get out those fake diamonds
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< 1407527770 709807 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
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< 1407528476 272862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1407528483 649409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if they dropped it from a plane
< 1407528492 112244 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the route was known of the plane
< 1407528495 902327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the winddirection
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< 1407533028 30761 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it was dropped from a weather balloon 20m high
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< 1407533159 96564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1407533184 73133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :must've been a very light diamond then. or perhaps you meant 20km
< 1407533221 778087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or miles? but 'm' is not the right abbreviation then)
< 1407533263 429840 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mi"
< 1407533274 919934 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh misread.
< 1407533729 992160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropped from a height of 20 miles "tails" prowers
< 1407533891 308188 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that less than 20 meters
< 1407534039 330628 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: did they have a tracking device on it?
< 1407534138 815306 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: apparently it was tracked somehow.  Might be the easiest way to find it.
< 1407534295 622494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I tried to find Knuckles' height for reference but it looks like that part of The Legend of the 10 Elemental Masters is no longer on the internet.
< 1407534324 473288 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use the sonic fanon wiki
< 1407534363 124205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ulillillia. nvm i understand completely
< 1407534433 893195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I recall he's pretty tall.
< 1407534439 440528 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: indeed. figuring out how it is signalling its location, and follow that signal
< 1407534441 18594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and purple
< 1407534445 558088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/07/27/the-pondiferous for reference.
< 1407534456 650488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like me
< 1407534473 747167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1407534475 338762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Knuckles resembles a human, but with differences. Knuckles is neither male nor female, though referred to as a "he". Three-quarter-inch-thick dark-violet-colored (FFA000E0) fur covers his entire body. He is only 25 1/3 inches tall, 4 inches wide and 2.5 inches deep. Knuckles gets his name from his large hands, 40% bigger than a human his size would have."
< 1407534475 610802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to remember which comic I was trying to find and came across that one.)
< 1407534484 294362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: unless they put it on a timer to not start signalling its location until the event is over. in which case, you need to have a lot of people in place to beat them to it
< 1407534485 239526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay he's not very tall
< 1407534514 691839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait his fur has alpha translucency. nice
< 1407534527 712621 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, fur is never totally opaque!
< 1407534535 152730 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell does he use inches
< 1407534665 607644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, RGB ain't pretty either
< 1407534688 112606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's ARGB I guess? so the fur is opaque
< 1407534695 654623 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's common. who the hell uses thirds of inches? we don't even do that in the united states
< 1407534729 377905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulillillia is not common
< 1407534740 455846 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so.
< 1407534923 118372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who writes ARGB hex? 
< 1407534973 63632 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulillillia
< 1407535050 120531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q. I bought your book but it seems to be the wrong story. What do I do?
< 1407535111 64629 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't keep us waiting
< 1407535125 470380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just google. :p
< 1407535130 605284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
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< 1407539919 267954 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the wikipedia article
< 1407539922 663899 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 'microwave oven'
< 1407539931 695408 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an audio recording
< 1407539936 833547 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :of someone microwaving a cup of tea
< 1407539940 83855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for twenty seconds
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< 1407545156 418142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Blacktime14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40276 5* 03Threeifbywhiskey 5* (+5948) 10Blacktime is born.
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< 1407548119 441573 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Christy1302 5*  10New user account
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< 1407561008 474496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not found MUD systems having the features I am looking for. I don't want system reset, for one. I also want various kind of triggers, based on sensing, quests, beliefs, etc. The ifMUD system (based on PerlMUD) can't do these kind of triggers, although it doesn't do a system reset, so that part OK. Also seems to slow down too much, and has no system for allowing a character to die while the account remains. Other systems I have look at are a
< 1407561160 498819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any suggestion though?
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< 1407582463 362042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm. of course not.)
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< 1407619484 354988 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has finally decided google is evil and is busy removing all google scripts from his websites!

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< 1407619996 854736 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: what brought you to this revelation?
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< 1407620192 671425 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: just one thing after another. No one particular thing :-)
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< 1407620895 644344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: I'll be back!
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< 1407621146 894682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles his thumbs.

< 1407621156 980058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407621181 650273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1407621189 29044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 092120Z AUTO VRB02KT 9999 FEW009 BKN028 16/15 Q1019
< 1407621226 971523 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always wondered what would happen if you twiddled someone else's thumbs, it probably ends in getting punched in the nose.
< 1407621604 457342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls edwardk's eyes.

< 1407621615 192095 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls them back.

< 1407621625 884858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a room
< 1407621639 743207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :children don't need to see this kind of mutual thumb twiddling and eye rolling
< 1407621659 237020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about nose picking?
< 1407621680 473237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew.
< 1407621744 107339 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
< 1407621755 138402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK
< 1407621761 134066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1407621768 871211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not even read the prefix.
< 1407621783 681407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoambdabot
< 1407621783 880462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is metasepia's fault
< 1407621799 50686 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it were more stable...
< 1407621800 961381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK
< 1407621801 267345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 092150Z 26002KT CAVOK 16/14 Q1011 NOSIG
< 1407621808 486166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How come you can't do something like that? 
< 1407621812 22331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1407621831 107614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Be that way, then! 
< 1407621935 827483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so when is lambdabot going to usurp fungot's chatting too?
< 1407621936 66084 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks. got it bookmarked and everything.
< 1407622069 218639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, not likely to happen.
< 1407622818 67342 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.145.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: but can you pick your nose's friends
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< 1407626498 161509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar NZSP
< 1407626498 542158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1407626504 884321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1407626508 192896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSA
< 1407626508 499294 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 092250Z 18009KT CAVOK 20/17 Q1009 TEMPO 4000 RA
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< 1407626728 880589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hah. no new data in the last 2 hours
< 1407626739 844416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for NZSP)
< 1407626746 238511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, not that surprising
< 1407626755 380239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all NZSP is the south pole
< 1407626763 682566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know (now)
< 1407626771 891110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You looked it up?
< 1407626776 164856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1407626782 600152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay
< 1407626797 884194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NZSP 091750Z 00000KT 3200 BR OVC026 M54/ A2839 RMK CLN AIR 00000KT ALL WNDS GRID
< 1407626815 756937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what "ALL WNDS GRID" mean
< 1407626828 347548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:50, and it's 23:25 now.
< 1407626838 188770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole remarks section is strange everywhere
< 1407626845 60497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more so for NZSP
< 1407626863 36231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I checked NZSP (every now and then for years) it said ALL WNDS GRID
< 1407626895 402920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for most places on earth, 2 hours seems to be a reasonable bound, I don't think I'm going to change it just for NZSP :)
< 1407626896 114046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best guess is that it uses a different coordinate system for wind directions to deal with the singularity that is the pole
< 1407626947 848372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, why filter old results at all?
< 1407626962 342481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC NZSP updates like a couple of times per day
< 1407626968 616273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Query must be constrained by time; "
< 1407626978 847484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And quite sporadic
< 1407626980 969195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, huh?
< 1407626998 872602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just googled and http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/NZSP.TXT which has the latest data
< 1407627012 858972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found*
< 1407627079 993008 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't find that; I'm querying an ADDS server and that demands a time limit. otoh, it could potentially return historic data, too.
< 1407627091 334357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1407627143 995892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, yeah I think NZSP updates like twice a day or when they expect a flight
< 1407627152 458269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's 10 days worth of data for NZSP: https://aviationweather.gov/adds/dataserver_current/httpparam?dataSource=metars&requestType=retrieve&format=csv&hoursBeforeNow=240&stationString=NZSP
< 1407627152 657028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on some casual observations
< 1407627203 341544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, Twice a day seems correct
< 1407627207 221507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not quite 10 days)
< 1407627298 130684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 days, apparently.
< 1407627497 779384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lambdabot> fizzie said 4d 5h 44m 33s ago: Having "s" at edge of the playfield causes the placed character to go where wrapping puts it; there seems to be a vague consensus that s should not wrap. See http://sprunge.us/dZdS for most of the relevant context. <-- I'll look into it
< 1407627524 399370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Does mycology test the s wrapping?
< 1407627524 598423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1407627622 380228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not if cfunge passes :p
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< 1407627805 34083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. And you could make an argument for UNDEF, anyhow, though you could also argue that the wording in the spec is at least biased towards not wrapping.
< 1407627908 573485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah mycology could test it as UNDEF
< 1407627922 556906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I will take a look tomorrow probably
< 1407627930 723881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1407627949 677931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A search thing that could ignore "obvious" stringmode strings would be useful in finding tests in mycology.
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< 1407631704 182391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much can you mulligan in Magic: the Gathering, down to zero or down to one?
< 1407631877 797418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Note that if a player’s hand size reaches zero cards, that player must keep that hand.)"
< 1407631955 727183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some players only mulligan down to one card though
< 1407632004 978906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's hard to see an advantage in having no cards at all
< 1407632152 103551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you want more cards in your library you can just make it larger than 60 cards to begin with)
< 1407632356 976419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the last time I downloaded the MtG comprehensive rules, they were still available as text files.
< 1407632372 387811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been 5 years or more.
< 1407632707 169702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a Limited format the minimum is 40 cards though, rather than 60
< 1407632773 951288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although you normally you can still add however many basic lands you want)
< 1407632925 28087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"minimum"
< 1407632951 2198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maximum number of cards which are not basic lands is normally 45, as far as I can tell.
< 1407632998 913256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not stipulated by any rule. see 100.5.
< 1407633075 934497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't one of the rules of the game, but you won't have more cards than that, therefore there is a hard limit of 45 even though the rules do not specify any maximum.
< 1407633232 372016 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-52-216.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1407633440 988088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also for mulligan, possibly your opponent has a lot of cards too and not only you, or some opponent's effect (or possibly one of your own effect) based on number of cards in your hand.
< 1407633548 285974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The change is pretty recent.
< 1407633579 200126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You mean in draft format in particular?
< 1407633658 104122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, in a standard draft the hard limit is 45. In other formats there are other limits. (For example in a standard Constructed format the hard limit is four times the number of non-banned cards in the current block.)
< 1407633681 915666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It could be more with http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=382298
< 1407633826 703007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If that set is being drafted, then yes. I didn't see that card before. I like this.
< 1407633861 690981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also heard of cards that are banned before they are released, therefore meaning they are only usable in Limited formats.
< 1407633898 540773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it has other cards affecting drafts too.
< 1407633942 511207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=205082
< 1407633967 42491 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how is that a real card?
< 1407633973 391768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems almost like those old cards with ante
< 1407634011 611869 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1407634012 575488 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a Conspiracy afoot, and it appears that the main objective is to introduce all sorts of awesome mechanics into drafts around the world. "
< 1407634102 442276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1407634156 83012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's another one, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=370746
< 1407634187 973129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it needs it ... "Sacrifice six creatures named "Shadowborn Apostle: ..."
< 1407634253 771238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means there is no limit in Constructed when M14 is the set being used and it is not banned.
< 1407634342 158982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can use card to change the name of other cards!!!
< 1407634360 760239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but that's usually a lot more effort :)
< 1407634458 492065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i shadowborn apostle + progenitor mimic
< 1407634499 619691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might need it if you are making up a kind of Limited format that not only has a card like Shadowborn Apostle or something similar, but also other sets also used that have card to allow changing name of other cards too.
< 1407634738 480214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, "probably". " You can choose not to copy anything. In that case, Progenitor Mimic enters the battlefield as a 0/0 Shapeshifter creature and is probably put into the graveyard immediately."
< 1407635009 536305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip three coins. if you lose any of the flips, progenitor mimic is put into the graveyard immediately. otherwise, progenitor mimic is put into the graveyard as a state-based action
< 1407635031 257188 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Progenitor is a tricky card.
< 1407635039 967440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not what they mean :)
< 1407635093 892943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :state-based actions aren't actually "immediately", i found out
< 1407635200 423884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, if something costs {G}+sacrifice a creature, you can pay for it by putting a -0/-1 counter on Wall of Roots, which brings it to 0/0, and then sacrificing it
< 1407635239 96033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of the counter?
< 1407635273 329964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=220566 -- you get {G} by doing it
< 1407635339 936049 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1407635369 183572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no one gets priority so state-based actions aren't checked
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< 1407635820 806620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, stupid mana abilities.
< 1407636316 204912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems odd to me that you don't just pay for spells with mana that's in your pool.
< 1407636330 900592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But instead you first announce the spell, then get the mana to pay for it.)
< 1407636353 15543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it makes sense for things like convoke, though?
< 1407636774 164172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you might already have the mana but maybe not, then
< 1407636828 238470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: The Gathering is too complicated
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< 1407637614 24413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I like the Magic: the Puzzling.
< 1407638031 577862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Pokemon card though?
< 1407638276 816583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1407638455 648385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, this new Magic: the Gathering set has a new card type; all Conspiracy cards are banned by definition, it seems, so they are used only in Limited formats.
< 1407638523 690037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1407638547 131423 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conspiracy is actually quite a fun format.
< 1407639551 987082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also look many cards have features design for more than two players too but can also work even if the game has only two players at a time.
< 1407639599 987162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's meant for multiplayer games.
< 1407639606 849234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(> 2)
< 1407639665 960540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A variant could be to use private voting when only two players remain, or add additional conditions too.)
< 1407639767 424956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer only two players in a single game though
< 1407639982 970759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least not more than three players anyways
< 1407640288 671424 :kyhwana_!kyhwana@snowleopard.kyhwana.org PART :#esoteric
< 1407640551 896832 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1407640777 441370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is an idea: Start with three players; after one player is eliminated then the remaining players each gain 1 life. Furthermore, voting is public whenever more than two votes are to be made (even if they are made by only two players), and private if only two votes are to be made (including if there are three players but an effect prohibits one player from voting).
< 1407640919 788346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a card someone made up once was "Altar of Unimaginable Power", meaning that whenever a player loses the game, choose one--target player gains 20 life or target player loses 20 life.
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< 1407648808 360846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> @metar EFHK <-- what. this changes EVERYTHING.
< 1407648831 800445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1407648832 127438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 100520Z 15010KT 120V190 CAVOK 19/09 Q1000 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 18016G30KT
< 1407648927 998546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :lambdabot takes over metasepia's metar duties due to the latter's abysmal attendance | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1407648960 371716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was inevitable, really. (how long has lambdabot had @metar?)
< 1407649042 198774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh looks like int-e just added it.
< 1407649314 691443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<edwardk> you can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose. <-- i see several counterexamples on google hth
< 1407649428 870607 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub pages is so slow
< 1407649435 584827 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fsck JSONP
< 1407649777 884899 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407650389 305774 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.github.io/tagpromusic.htm
< 1407650401 664100 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides no longer needing to run unsafely, I killed the jQuery dependency
< 1407650418 249341 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops wrong channel
< 1407650551 505322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You wrote "data LeftCo m f x = forall z. LeftCo (f (m z) -> x) (f z)" in a comment once. Where did that type come from?
< 1407650574 580247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do not remember?
< 1407650586 101537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was ~2 years ago.
< 1407650593 935377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://comonad.com/reader/2011/monads-from-comonads/
< 1407650640 197477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know.
< 1407650651 229695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Do you have any idea what it might be?
< 1407650748 475397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I cannot think of it right now
< 1407651263 462514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let diag [] = []; diag [[]] = []; diag ((x:_):ys) = x : diag (map (drop 1) ys)
< 1407651265 340300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1407651275 637778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> diag [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]
< 1407651276 800141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,5]
< 1407651315 515544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let diagMaybe l | (length . nub $ map length l) == 1 = Nothing | otherwise = Just (diag l)
< 1407651316 810450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1407651545 681562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \ll -> (do l1 <- diagMaybe =<< diagMaybe ll; l2 <- diagMaybe =<< mapM diagMaybe ll; return ((l1 :: Int) == l2)) /= Just False
< 1407651547 111198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Types.Int’
< 1407651547 310323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[t0]’ Relevant bindings include l2 :: [t0] (bound at <inte...
< 1407651557 378446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \ll -> (do l1 <- diagMaybe =<< diagMaybe ll; l2 <- diagMaybe =<< mapM diagMaybe ll; return ((l1 :: [Int]) == l2)) /= Just False
< 1407651558 814810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! (after 7 tests and 3 shrinks):
< 1407651559 14134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Exception: L.hs:(149,1)-(151,48): Non-exhaustive patterns in function diag [...
< 1407651572 872968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1407651597 714381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1407651607 721623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef
< 1407651607 920813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined.
< 1407651617 970700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let diag [] = []; diag [[]:_] = []; diag ((x:_):ys) = x : diag (map (drop 1) ys)
< 1407651619 95615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1407651626 200892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let diagMaybe l | (length . nub $ map length l) == 1 = Nothing | otherwise = Just (diag l)
< 1407651627 296247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1407651633 993539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \ll -> (do l1 <- diagMaybe =<< diagMaybe ll; l2 <- diagMaybe =<< mapM diagMaybe ll; return ((l1 :: [Int]) == l2)) /= Just False
< 1407651635 264094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘[t0]’ with ‘GHC.Types.Int’
< 1407651635 463041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [GHC.Types.Int] Actual type: [[t0]] Relevant bindings include...
< 1407651653 923066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t diag
< 1407651654 746412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[t]]] -> [[t]]
< 1407651657 884763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t diagMaybe
< 1407651658 616385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[t]]] -> Maybe [[t]]
< 1407651719 374643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why is it suddenly not type checking
< 1407651732 556907 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are unworthy
< 1407651742 79409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DID NOT CHANGE THAT FUNCTION
< 1407651763 684107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1407651775 981095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :diag has too many []'s in its type now
< 1407651779 371744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1407651782 836187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef
< 1407651783 35233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined.
< 1407651794 989212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let diag [] = []; diag ([]:_) = []; diag ((x:_):ys) = x : diag (map (drop 1) ys)
< 1407651796 133824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1407651804 844414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let diagMaybe l | (length . nub $ map length l) == 1 = Nothing | otherwise = Just (diag l)
< 1407651805 840174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1407651813 127482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \ll -> (do l1 <- diagMaybe =<< diagMaybe ll; l2 <- diagMaybe =<< mapM diagMaybe ll; return ((l1 :: [Int]) == l2)) /= Just False
< 1407651814 308736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 17 tests and 17 shrinks):
< 1407651814 507832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[[0],[]],[[],[0,0]],[]]
< 1407651829 337994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there you go
< 1407651865 274680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> diagMaybe [[[0],[]],[[],[0,0]],[]]
< 1407651866 589511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just [[0],[0,0]]
< 1407651870 35832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know the monads-from-comonads thing
< 1407651896 924861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just vaguely heard "every comonad is a monad transformer"
< 1407651903 671910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points at edwardk 

< 1407651911 324655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we were talking about it in the other channel
< 1407651923 777973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i talked to someone else about this but i don't remember who
< 1407651937 671253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mapM diagMaybe [[[0],[]],[[],[0,0]],[]]
< 1407651939 57694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just [[0],[],[]]
< 1407651968 525622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> diagMaybe =<< diagMaybe [[[0],[]],[[],[0,0]],[]]
< 1407651969 889591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just [0,0]
< 1407651991 258242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's wrong.
< 1407652001 485532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> diagMaybe [[0],[0,0]]
< 1407652002 916193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just [0,0]
< 1407652010 909119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should give Nothing, hmph
< 1407652030 177254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i've reversed the bloody test...
< 1407652033 533054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef
< 1407652033 731933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined.
< 1407652034 981689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does diagMaybe mean?
< 1407652047 276688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let diag [] = []; diag ([]:_) = []; diag ((x:_):ys) = x : diag (map (drop 1) ys)
< 1407652048 385419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1407652050 67143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I can see it above
< 1407652073 250498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let diagMaybe l | (length . nub $ map length l) > 1 = Nothing | otherwise = Just (diag l)
< 1407652074 282771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1407652092 56728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \ll -> (do l1 <- diagMaybe =<< diagMaybe ll; l2 <- diagMaybe =<< mapM diagMaybe ll; return ((l1 :: [Int]) == l2)) /= Just False
< 1407652093 311694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1407652095 346333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1407652098 748977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \ll -> (do l1 <- diagMaybe =<< diagMaybe ll; l2 <- diagMaybe =<< mapM diagMaybe ll; return ((l1 :: [Int]) == l2)) /= Just False
< 1407652099 982713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1407652102 651482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \ll -> (do l1 <- diagMaybe =<< diagMaybe ll; l2 <- diagMaybe =<< mapM diagMaybe ll; return ((l1 :: [Int]) == l2)) /= Just False
< 1407652103 790531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1407652108 50587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i feared
< 1407652155 667122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove that ZipList isn't a Monad, you _have_ to consider joins of lists that aren't immediate what they should be from the Applicative operations
< 1407652174 445227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, unless counterexamples are too hard for @check)
< 1407652189 729553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. joins of non-rectangular lists of lists
< 1407652226 983728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the real meaning of diagMaybe is to be a diagonal function which censors non-rectangular lists)
< 1407652239 520713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ of lists
< 1407652334 118631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep coming back to this problem because although it's haskell folklore that it is impossible, i have never seen a rigorous proof that doesn't guess at what join / (>>=) "should" be.
< 1407652365 179843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know join has to be taking the diagonal for rectangular lists.)
< 1407652406 864276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that much is believed clear; I can see that clearly enough.
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< 1407652747 218879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was thinking this morning that i didn't remember seeing a proof that you cannot get a contradiction simply from using join on rectangular lists, and decided to put that through quickcheck.
< 1407652772 425699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems that doesn't work to get a counterexample.
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< 1407658434 760723 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/LyOgG9R.png
< 1407658441 620830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some weird looking fractal thingy
< 1407658595 770692 :shikhout_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407658806 335168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The general style looks a lot like the usual (x*y)%N plot, with some sort of an extra tweak.
< 1407658815 8598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+%28x*y%29+mod+0.1%2C+x%3D-1..1%2C+y%3D-1..1
< 1407658843 514419 :scoofy!~blah@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias city...
< 1407659010 538363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. I just stumbled upon an attack POC that someone said "Do not disclose" next to
< 1407659845 980153 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi TOPIC #esoteric :Do not disclose | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
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< 1407663296 498760 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any useful value in a POP instruction that sends the popped data nowhere? ie. just deletes the top of the stack?
< 1407663364 796956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1407663375 982475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :immensely useful in underload :P
< 1407663525 92655 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The machine spec I'm working on has two pop instructions. POP (h60) simple pulls the top of the stack and does nothing with it, POTA (h61) actually returns the value to the designated address.
< 1407663546 159427 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems somewhat counter to expected operation re: most pop instructions I'm finding from other machines.
< 1407664455 945231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: depends
< 1407664470 588383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can just adjust the Stack Pointer
< 1407664474 307596 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like add sp, 4
< 1407664480 773959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no, such a POP instruction would be useless
< 1407664503 356574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than it might be a 1-byte instruction which add sp, 4 might not be
< 1407664537 105802 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, the stack pointer is internal, so it does seem like the easiest way to simply clear the stack. 
< 1407664588 392974 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make POTA the default behavior, and make a DEL instruction that does the delete top stack thing, but I think I like the current method better.
< 1407664642 642319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1407664648 959698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you introduce a NULL-register
< 1407664652 67210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like /dev/null
< 1407664658 4321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e POP NULL
< 1407664661 73996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1407664665 421612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which writes to nirvana
< 1407664695 6419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's pretty stupid
< 1407664702 138457 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D Yeah.
< 1407664709 173915 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you probably would only use it in conjunction with POP
< 1407665041 907922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Latër
< 1407666349 300201 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS' r0 acts as a /dev/null register, IIRC
< 1407666363 956350 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, as /dev/zero when read and as /dev/null when written to
< 1407666409 471459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how /dev/zero acts when written to.
< 1407666416 145632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can just say it acts as a /dev/zero register.
< 1407666460 697413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i /dev/full register
< 1407666472 603901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing to it causes a processor exception? 
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< 1407668743 968470 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, makes sense that writing to /dev/zero would do nothing
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< 1407673050 846802 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am back on IRC, ho ho
< 1407673927 988234 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little weird downloading software from a server I've seen
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< 1407675523 285952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> It's a little weird downloading software from a server I've seen <-- oh?
< 1407675872 959979 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, visited Bytemark, who have a Debian package mirror
< 1407675959 75321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I could get a bus to the magic internet place where software comes from
< 1407675982 383583 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16485.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Tritonio
< 1407675989 317217 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1407676232 919842 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And suddenly the magic isn't so magic any more?
< 1407676242 878595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this may come from having grown up with the internet
< 1407676276 356285 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I guess it was never magic for me to begin with
< 1407676312 91463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, But then we didn't have Internet at home, until I was about 5 or 6. And that was a 28 kbit modem
< 1407676330 988738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't get always-connected until like 2004 or 2005?
< 1407676336 939018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that
< 1407676339 185863 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADSL
< 1407676343 271112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still have bloody ADSL
< 1407676496 946998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you have a test program for the wrapping s thing?
< 1407676506 294609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can test it doesn't wrap properly
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< 1407677651 848513 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote package manager
< 1407677652 777913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1056) <elliott> you know, when people talk about emacs being an OS I doubt what they had in mind was that it needed a package manager
< 1407677881 913068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Do you have a test program for the wrapping s thing?
< 1407677882 112394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1407679278 11735 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1407679353 464508 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-163-205.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris doesn’t need ZipList.
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< 1407680430 218937 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i start playing spacechem again
< 1407680433 648782 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have i done to myself
< 1407680667 86452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think something like what I tested with,    ;@.g0+6a;#;_1'xs    (and nothing else in the program) should print 120 if I counted right. If not, you can adjust the a6+ part to see what's what.
< 1407680688 117794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was supposed to @tell that.
< 1407680696 50355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try it again.
< 1407680701 514955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal I think something like what I tested with,    ;@.g0+6a;#;_1'xs    (and nothing else in the program) should print 120 if I counted right. If not, you can adjust the a6+ part to see what's what.
< 1407680701 714347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1407680833 627015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;@.g0-10.g0+ca;#;_1'xs
< 1407680834 53428 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 120
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< 1407680842 774479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that should print "120 32" instead of "32 120".
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< 1407699976 164388 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a virtual machine. Not sure if it counts as an esolang, but I thought folks might be interested: https://github.com/jarcane/MicroMini
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< 1407700172 84479 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is racket
< 1407700192 264768 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :plt scheme
< 1407700258 123072 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google racket language
< 1407700259 405051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://racket-lang.org/
< 1407700259 604062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: The Racket Language
< 1407700271 244135 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun on your educational journey!
< 1407700347 775887 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo
< 1407700520 641655 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice post, "Chief philosophy officer"
< 1407700582 233541 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Racket is a Scheme derivative, formerly known as PLT Scheme. It's a Lisp, with a special focus on teaching and custom language/dialect development. 
< 1407700816 709906 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently the meaning of PLT will never be known. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3aRacket_%28programming_language%29#What_does_PLT_stand_for.3F
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< 1407704306 246888 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fuck you spacechem
< 1407704322 258404 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point they patched the mechanics so old solutions don't work any more
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< 1407704403 460701 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:2466:cb81:434f:f680 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that was veeery long ago wasn't it
< 1407704417 852560 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's happening to me on solutions from 2014
< 1407704418 901113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suddenly reminded of Minecraft patching out buggy physics so that minecart boosters don't work.
< 1407704430 150987 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if you can get this to work: http://spacechem.net/solution/exploding-head-syndrome/76029
< 1407704441 376579 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nb. link has abruptly broken, try archive.org)
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< 1407704471 767397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, it's not been indexed
< 1407704511 951139 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, remember the ridiculous boat mechanics?
< 1407704540 1895 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be something to do with the bonder priority though; machines trying to recombine two H-O molecules to and H-H and O=O are the ones that keep failing]
< 1407704580 60597 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you could literally be launched for meters upward in a boat
< 1407704594 791307 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember that
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< 1407704606 637449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal's castle had it
< 1407704626 689231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, I vaguely recall boatlevators.
< 1407704678 4496 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if that's how i'd describe a boatlevator
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< 1407704728 421519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Terraria infinite water/lava/obsidian generator the other day, and now I wonder when they are going to change their physics for that not to work any more.
< 1407704804 944289 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sounds very Dwarf Fortress
< 1407704832 360051 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:2466:cb81:434f:f680 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was late for minecraft physics being very dumb :(
< 1407704843 773247 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress <3
< 1407704855 631558 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if DF physics will ever not be dumb
< 1407704857 771465 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not
< 1407704911 138342 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a quote somewhere that DF physics were so preposterous that they caused Isaac Newton to spin in his grave fast enough to power an entire fortress
< 1407704931 768655 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are various ways to construct perpetual motion machines in DF
< 1407704952 218136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: The way it works in Terraria is that liquids these days get subtly more volume when they run down stairs (they used to do it when just falling, but apparently that might not be quite the case now), so you just make a zigzag staircase in an enclosed space, then put a inlet pump at the bottom and outlet pump at the top, and it'll eventually fill the entire enclosure with the liquid.
< 1407704956 461809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watermill and archimedes screw
< 1407704958 171007 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all of them are just a pump bolted to a water wheel
< 1407704966 751032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faster if it's water, since lava is more viscous.
< 1407705329 653131 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well great, the spacechem solutions website is well and truly down
< 1407705376 642583 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find your own solution
< 1407705460 562426 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave up on bothering some time ago, i just want to watch the story and look at cool solutions now
< 1407705531 177030 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm crap at spacechem
< 1407705587 930952 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1407705605 932284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they added to the storyline or anything? I played it quite far through back then.
< 1407705618 201107 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i've just never gotten that far
< 1407705645 788022 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I think I got to the second planet?
< 1407705682 511468 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got to... a bit of the way through the third before giving up
< 1407705717 96186 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think spacechem really scales elegantly to more complex puzzles
< 1407705737 24566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did at least the laser thing.
< 1407705748 86894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some sort of a space shooter thing.
< 1407705755 625327 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with its limited control structures
< 1407705936 919578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I actually finished the very last level, but I at least got to it.
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< 1407706214 958270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the savefile SQL db, and  select id, passed from Level where id like '%-boss';  says I've passed six bosses but not one.
< 1407706272 880708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one of the boss fights I had a really crummy solution, and actually getting through was pretty much a fluke.
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< 1407708634 516446 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2d56oy/software_engineers_will_understand/cjmc2yk
< 1407708738 111830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1407708802 210791 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not unexpected
< 1407708818 232140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know someone who is porting an old fortran code base to python or something)
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< 1407710563 390684 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some random person said "Its well written code Sgeo"
< 1407710565 992538 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of an ego boost
< 1407710600 959284 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice :)
< 1407710610 834550 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get more practise working on larger codebases
< 1407710652 24297 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a very small codebase, so that's convenient
< 1407710746 286220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what codebase?
< 1407710758 755872 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Sgeo/sgeo.github.io/blob/master/tagpromusic.htm
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< 1407712077 325519 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need to learn a different lisp.
< 1407712552 866382 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/wR3ZxfB
< 1407714538 855049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Harpyon14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40281&oldid=21665 5* 03Harpyon 5* (-65) 10removed dead link
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< 1407728449 881797 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a C struct like struct foo { bla bla bla; char bar[1]; } what's the number do?
< 1407728523 556587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What number are you meaning, the array length?
< 1407728529 953682 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1407728630 995551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, it is the length of the array; it has one element.
< 1407728640 230962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is how much space is allocated in the structure.
< 1407728683 592679 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code i'm looking at allocates more than that, though, is why i'm wondering
< 1407728708 810057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean?
< 1407728780 816265 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct symbol_s { size_t length; char string[1]; } symbol_s; and then for a symbol it allocates offsetof(symbol_s, string) + length + 1
< 1407728821 402100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a workaround for the lack of the GNU extension allowing an array length to be zero.
< 1407728849 123058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If GNU extensions are used you can avoid this by declaring the array length as zero, therefore allocating no space at all in the structure. It is pretty useful actually.
< 1407728876 855794 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it conformant? like, does that let you have the string be longer?
< 1407728889 141049 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1 is for a null terminator so not being zero is okay, i guess
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< 1407734162 170616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The "struct hack" is generally considered to not be 100% kosher.
< 1407734179 837772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's possibly why C99 added the flexible-length array members as a workaround.
< 1407734181 380215 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well known enough to be named, huh
< 1407734198 385770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1407734199 501884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c-faq.com/struct/structhack.html
< 1407734215 888766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact it's so common is possibly why C99 added the flexible-length array members as a workaround.
< 1407734256 601037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days you can write  struct foo { size_t length; char string[]; }  and it'll be somewhat like the GCC zero-length array.
< 1407734262 206539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are slight differences.)
< 1407734317 331001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that C99 thing twice? Uh. Well, I just woke up.
< 1407734359 357403 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, link's perfect, thanks
< 1407734379 808378 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :char string[] is more what i'd expect, though, good to know
< 1407734402 658528 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wasn't sure if foo[1] in a struct actually meant "length one" instead of like in function arguments (?) where it's bullshit
< 1407734403 176715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still avoid C99 features. I mean, it's just 15 years by now.
< 1407734417 555128 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even old enough for a driver license
< 1407734429 306023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And admittedly it's not like MSVC still supported it.
< 1407734435 740647 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, at my job I can't use C99, so like -_-
< 1407734462 683203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the GNU zero length arrays because it is more sensible to me. They also don't even have to be at the end of a structure, and zero-length arrays can be used in unions too, I think; isn't it?
< 1407734463 538679 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that this is for work.
< 1407734571 346938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they can; I think you can put a zero-length array anywhere a regular array can go.
< 1407734629 312005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though having it in the middle of a struct does not sound incredibly useful.
< 1407734664 744503 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you want multiple ones in one struct?
< 1407734681 6862 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still at the end so you can use offsetof on everything else, i guess
< 1407734728 559140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another use of zero-length arrays might also be for use of sizeof in macros, for example sizeof(((struct XYZ*)0)->array0[0]) or whatever might be used
< 1407734729 36576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there any source for the reading of the spec which forbids it?
< 1407734732 676445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would this work?
< 1407734768 50720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think having it in the middle can be useful, not only if you want multiple ones, but also for purposes of offsets in many cases, I believe.
< 1407734807 814121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/docs/rr/dr_051.html
< 1407734844 533870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think comp.lang.c disagreed even on the "safer idiom" presented there.
< 1407734950 375396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the safer one looks more dangerous to me
< 1407734955 471483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even have a full object
< 1407734969 649339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't dereference p
< 1407734998 990019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. And there was something about accessing structure members.
< 1407735041 192245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason for rejecting the original program seems rather fishy
< 1407735061 327533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's extending an implementation freedom way beyond what it'd actually be able to do without breaking the language
< 1407735124 389200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bounds-checking by "fat" pointers that contain the declared length was explicitly allowed somewhere, I think.
< 1407735145 958626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the usual justification; it could throw some sort of an assertion error on access beyond that.
< 1407735413 481612 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Dennis Ritchie has called it ``unwarranted chumminess with the C implementation,''» i might be more sympathetic to this if i'd ever seen a conforming program in my life
< 1407735433 324661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) { return 0; } /* there you go */
< 1407735452 810337 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this code does https://twitter.com/mnxmnkmnd/status/498249666216357889 so i'm just asking for pedantry reasons
< 1407735660 69842 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in C before 99 there's no way to lay out a pascal string, is what i'm getting out of this
< 1407736146 336686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so "natively". You can have a char * and treat the first byte or few differently.
< 1407736247 153142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A char * can alias anything, so macros doing #define DATA(x) ((x) + sizeof (size_t)) and SIZE(x) (*(size_t*)x) should be okay, I think.
< 1407736280 414965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a pair of parens around x in the latter.
< 1407736283 830326 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't like c's typos, i think.
< 1407736286 558679 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :types.
< 1407736288 26548 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1407736334 777779 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just abused tables I think
< 1407736350 786474 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Momentarily tricked myself into thinking "playback button and two download links" counts as tabular data
< 1407736570 593306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day, I did a "table with no table", by having <form> <p> <label ... /><input ... /> </p> <p> ... </p> ... </form> and then CSS  form { display: table; }  form > p { display: table-row; }  label, select, input { display: table-cell; }
< 1407736575 468786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that's good or bad.
< 1407736589 743407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc would know
< 1407736655 968281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the thing I made was a JavaScript port of a 12 years old poem generator. I'd've linked it here, but it's all in Finnish.)
< 1407736683 779376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd written "sources coming soon" in the original, and for a decade now a friend had been reminding me of it.)
< 1407736707 677485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it generate poems similar to ones written by 12-year-olds
< 1407736714 610664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(12-year-olds can write some good poems)
< 1407736830 591411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on the 12-year-old, I'm sure.
< 1407736836 887710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/runogen/
< 1407736931 505044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> That's the usual justification; it could throw some sort of an assertion error on access beyond that.
< 1407736943 888107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does that interact with allocating space for 10 structs and using a pointer to that, in general?
< 1407736956 463968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am amused at the finnish for "oh no"
< 1407736977 130525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the general expectation is that only declared arrays would be bounds-checked.
< 1407736996 379015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some RTTI-style thingamajick.
< 1407737051 760544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know. Certainly it would sound to make more sense to just deal with bytes, and have malloc return something that contains the bounds of the allocated space.
< 1407737404 226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I'm just wondering if you can actually construct a conforming implementation that breaks the hack
< 1407737430 826866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another scenario where I could possibly imagine the struct hack to fail is a segmented memory architecture, like the x86-16. You have to be careful with objects larger than 64k, and the compiler might look at the struct declaration, and compile those array accesses into something that is not careful, on account of the object always being small enough.
< 1407737513 495635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks that you have to reimplement structs on top of char arrays to get it to work nicely
< 1407737517 774420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe you could make macros for that?
< 1407737529 596677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[08:52:40] <fizzie> A char * can alias anything, so macros doing #define DATA(x) ((x) + sizeof (size_t)) and SIZE(x) (*(size_t*)x) should be okay, I think.
< 1407737531 793098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a struct define the data layout but allocate it as char * and use offsetof and casts
< 1407737533 839529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that essentially it? 
< 1407737536 62021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you could do it more generally.
< 1407737572 789464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. You'd probably have to spell the type in each invocation of the macro, though.
< 1407737600 892749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike regular member access.
< 1407737607 518720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you allowed to do like...
< 1407737633 251673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&(((struct repr *)charptr)->array[100])
< 1407737636 319135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not.
< 1407737658 967906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ((char *) (((struct repr *)charptr)->array))[100] is probably okay?
< 1407737691 656500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothetical segmented-memory breakage: compile "a = s->p[b]" into "load canonicalized address s into fs:bx, then add b to bx without worrying about overflow".
< 1407737722 973939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/add b/add offset of p and b/
< 1407737852 171385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Segmented architectures are good for breaking "pointers are integers" assumptions.)
< 1407737931 277884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would a segmented architecture work with allocating a big (char *)?
< 1407737955 289780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just represent pointers with (canonicalized) segment:offset pairs.
< 1407737976 251631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, okay.
< 1407737991 334067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that the compiler might (legally) look at the declared sizeof (struct s) and be all "I don't need to do the complicated address calculation since the object is small enough".
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< 1407741376 328477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> fuck, it's not been indexed <-- i am concluding that you've been transfered here from a parallel universe, and it never existed here hth
< 1407741434 429173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(your computer was also transfered.  expect mysterious bugs.)
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< 1407755764 571026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 111050Z 07006KT 040V120 9999 FEW008 SCT022 BKN070 18/16 Q1016 NOSIG
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< 1407756233 682495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just not right
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< 1407756240 330554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 111050Z 13014KT 9999 VCSH SCT057 21/09 Q0999 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 15020KT
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< 1407764492 399014 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge's RNG seems slightly less than robust:  diehard_bitstream|   0|   2097152|     100|0.00000000|  FAILED
< 1407764709 848632 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/XNhL
< 1407765366 748686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a small p.
< 1407765510 468016 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand the man page correctly, that's the p of the 100 test run ps
< 1407765730 728425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cfunge ? is just "random() % 4" though.
< 1407765891 39415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it has poor low bits. Though I thought that was just an urban legend in modern systems.
< 1407766147 48980 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZSNC  well, this program gives the same result on that system so yep 
< 1407766453 999687 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, outputting all of random() also fails
< 1407766653 889074 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On two quite different systems, maybe glibc's random() is just rather less than good
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< 1407769779 459717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arc4random time
< 1407769787 151150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge crypto
< 1407769988 464620 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :arc4random does a better job (unsurprisingly?)
< 1407770341 294763 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really putting a damper on my funge port of openssl
< 1407770441 292878 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people don't realize the magnitude of this discovery; it means fungot hasn't realized its full potential
< 1407770441 530584 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so continue getting up in the same file?) tomorrow. :p
< 1407770455 374291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: :p
< 1407770455 643821 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it might be worth considering using memq or memv...) idiom sounds like a good idea
< 1407770596 660954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: surely arc4random or whatever is a bit slow for general purpose ?, though.
< 1407770600 689376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess funge is slow.
< 1407770617 742126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how slow *is* ccbi2/cfunge/whatever, compared to a realer interpreted language?
< 1407770674 347015 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you don't need a crypto-quality RNG to not fail that hard in dieharder
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< 1407770718 876105 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty sure you'd have to something stupid like k? to make RNG the bottleneck in a non-JIT funge interpreter
< 1407770725 240466 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+do
< 1407770771 7454 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And re. "how slow" my intuition says "very"
< 1407770791 840055 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think a proper comparison has ever been done though
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< 1407771214 771209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be much slower than the original MRI, right? :)
< 1407771273 442189 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby was the first comparison I thought of too but it's a bit of an outlier :-P
< 1407771984 659255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying funge-98 can't power web 4.0?
< 1407771998 991768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before they all move to intercal because it's faster, or something.
< 1407772003 823924 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it can, it just needs some more hardware than alternatives might
< 1407772050 196995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay, people love throwing money at EC2
< 1407772088 755674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, feel free to write a somewhat time-consuming program in Ruby and translate it to Befunge-98 and give them a spin
< 1407772287 448758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever written a -98 program in my life.
< 1407772304 713128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it seems like it'd depend a lot on the kind of code structure you end up with.
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< 1407772584 893870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did you test glibc's rand() too? 
< 1407772586 174507 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So write it compactly :-P
< 1407772597 894879 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No but I can
< 1407772704 552504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also lrand48.
< 1407772732 491766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite get out of the glibc manual whether rand() and random() share the PRNG.
< 1407772737 710978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus far seems to fail similarly
< 1407772751 856038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter's API allows for a larger state, at least.
< 1407772787 490248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, "There is no advantage to using [random() and friends] with the GNU C Library", and "The BSD and ISO C functions provide identical, somewhat limited functionality."
< 1407772814 87925 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dieharder has built-in support for "rand48" which I guess is the same as lrand48 since its man page specs the generator
< 1407772847 923139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it's standardized.
< 1407772900 434582 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to fail but in different ways
< 1407772910 231531 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407772953 36700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"idiom sounds like a good idea."
< 1407773016 705788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I generated some europarl test babble here, and one gem came out of it:
< 1407773017 744346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i wish to draw your attention to the dangers for small publishers, we are unable to drink alcohol for health reasons."
< 1407773216 662107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware with a kind of two dimensional address increment already exists, but it cannot run backwards. However, it should not be too much difficult to extend to make new thing which can run backward and forward too.
< 1407773292 32609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were going to design a Befunge-y coprocessor on a "computer hardware architecture" course project, but then never did.
< 1407773434 329120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1407773505 53486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the hardware I was refering to was the Nintendo Family Computer; the PPU (picture processing unit) has two dimensional address increment. I have taken advantage of this address increment for this other than graphics, actually.
< 1407773613 399473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that the amendment from mrs auroi requesting the deletion of annex xv as an implicit violation of the principles of the world in the twenty-first century.
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< 1407778539 513899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think of this so far?   https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/Super_ASCII_MZX_Town   You are expected to complain about it please.
< 1407778707 33307 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, that takes me back.
< 1407778734 935507 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't messed with MZX in years.
< 1407778809 842129 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16485.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407778954 566193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much have you done with it at all?
< 1407779027 301643 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a damn thing in over a decade. 
< 1407779098 731991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when you did, how much did you work on it?
< 1407779176 654208 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to play around with ZZT as a kid, but never got far learning to actually make much. I knew about MZX then, but couldn't run it on my mono-screened 8086 and 286, but I tinkered with it later when I finally got a real computer.
< 1407779341 130496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used ZZT; I have figured out several things about it, and made good guesses as to other things. I have managed to decode the internal table of the kind of pieces, and have tried tampering with it to test my hypotheses, which turned out correct. This reveals why water has a forced color only in the editor.
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< 1407783134 876831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40282&oldid=40278 5* 0387.217.28.236 5* (+90) 10/* Befunge-93 */
< 1407783300 895706 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: 900pg doesn't get 9
< 1407783309 937925 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bzzt, try again
< 1407783405 19921 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat awkfunge
< 1407783427 457030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pun is _too_ obvious.
< 1407783493 957463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the pun.
< 1407783496 374978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you should add pass/fail marks to all of the listed interpreters twh
< 1407783508 311205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it's a little awkward to explain
< 1407783526 715744 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i demand sedfunge
< 1407783562 372867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can reuse the featured article gif
< 1407783575 752390 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not interested enough in -93, those things are a dime a dozen
< 1407783627 791530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a gif
< 1407783646 531369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is.
< 1407783650 620477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a png.
< 1407783663 833738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't finished checking that.
< 1407783929 570999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some predefined class? the mention in common.css has no image
< 1407783953 589082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector.css handles the rest
< 1407783960 607216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other skins it's just text in {{featured language}}.
< 1407783968 733815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the CSS to move an icon into the right place is skin-specific.
< 1407783986 871625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1407784083 638900 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407784088 880564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not reusable for this as is
< 1407784502 24915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *really* should finish up that sedfunge.
< 1407784567 96694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I started writing one at one point.)
< 1407784605 872197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much it does.
< 1407784628 184240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some comments about stringmode, and implementations for 0..9 to push stuff.
< 1407784634 589231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And + and @.
< 1407784645 912889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the entirety of implemented commands.
< 1407784654 493405 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as it has a ? that passes dieharder I'm happy
< 1407784672 197330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a ? at all, which probably doesn't count.
< 1407784714 727389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the bit that extracts the current command from the playfield, though: http://sprunge.us/GPKM
< 1407784760 861503 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having a ? counts as "always produces the same value" or "crashes" neither of which will make dieharder happy
< 1407784788 554885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always produces the same value, in this case.
< 1407784793 685324 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This interpreter looks slow
< 1407784801 326315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it doesn't have a "," either, so your test code would not generate any output.
< 1407784869 9572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something zipper-like might've made the main loop faster.
< 1407784932 236936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the stringmode doesn't exist either.
< 1407785003 174463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the binary arithmetic is reasonably compact.
< 1407785033 155264 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it use GNU features or is it solaris-compatible
< 1407785054 142875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember what GNU features are. It's just t, s and b.
< 1407785119 570643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's anything non-POSIX. But it's *really* incomplete.
< 1407785293 917049 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eFLQRTvWz are GNU-only commands, ailrsw= have some GNU-specific stuff, and the address and pattern formats of course have some GNU extensions as well
< 1407785306 84460 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Based on a quick browse of the info page)
< 1407785394 575506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably certain there's none of those.
< 1407785426 518528 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1407785532 485350 :lawspeaker!~juhani@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
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< 1407785694 999999 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 NICK :Bicyclidine
< 1407786021 417328 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1407786102 266203 :lawspeaker!~juhani@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1407787681 710393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there opensource license that can be altered?
< 1407787696 713192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. extended with my own conditions or changed otherwise
< 1407787705 204551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the ones i know say any alterations require the name to be changed
< 1407787732 422392 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-10-98.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407787758 272946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfpl
< 1407787763 439689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no problem changing the Name of the license
< 1407787763 639120 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, no alterations are allowed when modifying a work already released under a particular license
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< 1407787778 568017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is - however - if it's legal to change the license text of an existing license
< 1407787786 562009 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The FSF permits people to create new licenses based on the GPL, as long as the derived licenses do not use the GPL preamble without permission. "
< 1407787791 547233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. the license itself might be under some copyright law or something)
< 1407787793 704040 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPL's copyrighted though.
< 1407787803 992468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :licenses are copyrighted like any other work, sure
< 1407787813 944906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless legal documents are exempt from copyright?
< 1407787817 564763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like it could be a thing in some jurisdictions
< 1407787821 650463 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer something simple like BSD-style licenses
< 1407787823 634231 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD license is public domain
< 1407787829 857701 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia. so go crazy
< 1407787855 270400 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there have been court cases about being able to sell legal documents, it's pretty funny
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< 1407788098 408391 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one photocopier thing, now that i think about it
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< 1407789441 125481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the opposite of free of charge btw?
< 1407789480 164769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on context. "at cost", say
< 1407789555 45828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully charged hth
< 1407789559 907279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "charged", as in, charged part..
< 1407789562 128750 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :form an arm and a leg
< 1407789564 72264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ruin my thing. :/
< 1407789571 538644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SORRY
< 1407789666 451651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait
< 1407789674 938554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I write some Foo.c
< 1407789682 139130 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say I put it under BSD
< 1407789694 999547 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1407789695 265474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody modifies it and redistributes it
< 1407789704 870466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a the sole copyright holder?
< 1407789715 935986 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume not
< 1407789726 984082 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what's the distinction between copyright holder and contributor then?
< 1407789800 429475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. let's say I don't care if they don't disclose the source as long as they donnate some money to a charity organization for example
< 1407789808 309437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you both hold copyright over the resulting Foo.c.
< 1407789813 923203 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are such condtions even legal?
< 1407789814 448919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you own sole copyright over the original Foo.c.
< 1407789857 612935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone holds copyright on the contributions they made, but disentangling them from the whole means that any itemisation of ownership beyond, say, function-level granularity is iffy
< 1407789906 850279 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of thing that leads to the GNU not accepting patches unless you cede copyright
< 1407789956 759650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more because they want to be able to litigate violations of the license and change the license
< 1407789957 322311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux kernel doesn't, and as a result it now has a metric billion of copyright owners.
< 1407789973 320510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's something you want for legal action, at least?)
< 1407790004 648422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who would be able to sue for someone violating Linux's license. maybe the N top contributors joint or something
< 1407790014 781258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407790048 467812 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class action intellectual property suit. let's do it.
< 1407790062 382036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means nobody can change the license, since it's utterly impossible to get permission from every contributor.
< 1407790161 818587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that e.g. Apache doesn't quite do copyright assignments, but instead has a separate thing you sign (the Contributor License Agreement) that gives them a very permissive license to e.g. further sublicense your stuff.
< 1407790217 661680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45:56 <@elliott> that's more because they want to be able to litigate violations of the license and change the license
< 1407790218 41454 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: apply http://homepages.law.asu.edu/~dkarjala/opposingcopyrightextension/commentary/MacaulaySpeeches.html to linux somehow
< 1407790238 490962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the parts of legalese that work by the "let's look at the dictionary for all possible related terms" principle.
< 1407790276 849915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this section) patent license to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell, import, and otherwise transfer the Work, --"
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< 1407790392 192929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A license to offer to sell, but not to sell, sounds useful.
< 1407790667 282258 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can imagine it. like, a firm that advertises but when it comes to the actual sale they refer you to the seller and get a finder's fee
< 1407790872 40328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For random number tests, I know there is Diehard and stuff but I have the other idea, where basically you have a program of type ((Eq x, Ord x, Enum x) => Free ((->) Bool) x) for some kind of x.
< 1407790904 52067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well do you expect such thing to work?
< 1407790908 571206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have more ideas about LeftCo now?
< 1407790998 797187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in fact I realized what it was the next day after you showed me but may have forgotten to mention it.
< 1407791046 29456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I forgot the type so can you remind me again please?
< 1407791064 168173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"data LeftCo m f x = forall z. LeftCo (f (m z) -> x) (f z)"
< 1407791211 539011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes it appears to be a comonad:  duplicate (LeftCo x y) = LeftCo (\a -> LeftCo (x . fmap join) (return <$> y));  I think. Maybe I made a mistake though...
< 1407791402 466802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this looks like correct to you?
< 1407791430 240797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, I think (return <$> y) is probably wrong, I guess
< 1407791435 863070 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407791441 349077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure.
< 1407791442 896973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just y by itself I think
< 1407791446 379570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did the type come from?
< 1407791453 18742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are m and f?
< 1407791519 383085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where it come from
< 1407791534 330650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently "m" means monad and "f" means functor, though
< 1407791552 871514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f is used twice, which is a bit odd.
< 1407791596 351462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with data Oc m a = forall x. Oc x (m x -> a) (which is just LeftCo with f=Id) before seeing your post
< 1407791604 369054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't work very well
< 1407791613 448488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm wondering what the function of f is.
< 1407791835 478254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know
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< 1407799863 791495 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1407800520 160587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what would you think of this new kind of probability stuff I proposed too?
< 1407802950 727941 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407803215 151337 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How soon until Backpack becomes the Haskell way to do things?
< 1407804269 690191 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1407805009 834898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :once it stops being what you carry to hike a long way
< 1407807342 680366 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1407807635 891292 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1407808711 585910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ask #haskell
< 1407808860 878107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haskell can be a convenient notation for describing many things (in a kind of mathematical kind of way), whether or not the program is actually written in Haskell (or even if it is not a computer program at all).
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< 1407811926 236184 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have told someone that dynamically making an SQL query is not necessarily that terrible... after checking that the possible insertion is one of a fixed number of possibilties
< 1407811946 334601 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/PoseidonAW/Py_RPG/commit/dd00ec6dc0653a5a54bc67fea79a1a269c2c5d9e#commitcomment-7349049
< 1407812730 307209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: seems sane to me
< 1407819940 300986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1407820768 675343 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1407821004 615046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: (Assuming that 'name' is an unique field,) how is the behavior of that select-and-fetch-and-update any different from the single query  UPDATE players SET foo = foo + ? WHERE name = ?
< 1407821045 168723 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't write the code nor look at it that closely, but I can make the suggestion
< 1407821047 932797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You don't get to print the old and new values with that, of course, but that seems more of a debugging thing.)
< 1407821094 466238 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you can do math in SQL?
< 1407821207 99553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The behavior might be slightly different on overflow.
< 1407821281 745081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes of course you can do math in SQL.
< 1407821311 830066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a full programming language.
< 1407821330 250603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Python addition will switch from 'int' to 'long' (bignum), and I'm not entirely sure whether the insert of a too large value will do exactly the same thing than what the database would do on overflow during expression evaluation. But it doesn't seem to be carefully considering that in any case.
< 1407821419 192010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is/becomes necessary to know whether the update affected any rows (like for calling update_stats or not), testing for cursor.rowcount > 0 is an option.
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< 1407821956 54916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does python call bignums long anyway
< 1407822029 870318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're so long. (Really, it's v. confusing.)
< 1407822085 12265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me wonder if an early Python had fixed-but-different-size int and long.
< 1407822153 40890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also its ints are C longs.)
< 1407822607 803365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 3 calls both types 'int' and just handles the distinction between fixnums and bignums internally.
< 1407823012 144145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs long long.
< 1407823067 845126 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-170-198.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the long bignums, used to represent numbers too large for positional numeral to be practicable
< 1407825795 313919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And LiterallyUnbelievable misses the joke... http://literallyunbelievable.org/post/93775401734/i-suspect-genetics-plays-a-role
< 1407825830 751906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it doesn't just do people who take The Onion literally
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< 1407826369 1094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So please propose topics both in Finnish and English! (and if possible for you, Swedish would be useful, too. We have a couple students wiring in Swedish each semester.)"
< 1407826378 272086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how Swedish wiring differs from the regular sort.
< 1407826455 382886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407827023 912422 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was supposed to say "writing"?
< 1407827157 706704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe! 
< 1407827280 840186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's a holdoff from the 50s when the swedes drove on the left side
< 1407827605 427530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that continued a bit into the 60s actually
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< 1407831058 524096 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick poll: how many of you can reliably ping uwaterloo.ca?
< 1407831071 733524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1407831090 615381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 

< 1407831147 914166 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated: america again is an excellent book
< 1407831176 75017 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a wonderful story about the aynt and the grasshopper, which ends with Ayn Rand crushing them both underfoot because the ant colony reminded her of communism
< 1407831675 825832 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhmmmm... I need a machine I can reverse tunnel through :
< 1407831855 680414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AOL!
< 1407831908 474556 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-76-125.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407832079 28711 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the most complicated thing I have ever done in assembly. https://github.com/jarcane/MicroMini/blob/master/helloworld.mmasm
< 1407832242 310780 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next to make a Quine of it. :D
< 1407832325 322643 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what assembly is that? MMIX?
< 1407832342 697171 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MicroMini, the virtual machine I built (code is elsewhere in that repo).
< 1407832581 417622 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, cool
< 1407832637 321719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conundrum with assembly quines: are they intrinsically cheating or not
< 1407832667 902468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they don't have to be
< 1407832802 98376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think intrinsically cheating would usually be done in higher-level languages like c
< 1407832811 69312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in assembly you would just write the instruction
< 1407832812 743732 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually come to think of it I am not sure how I'd even do a quine with that. I guess maybe I could just change the test so that the printer loops over the entire program.
< 1407832848 198351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i mean, it is usually considered cheating for a quine to access its program code directly
< 1407832866 255072 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that'd just produce a lot of garbage. And if I printed everything from a data string, that data string would itself have to contain the data string ad infinitum.
< 1407832878 523968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: presumably an assembly quine would need to print the assembly input, not the generated code
< 1407832884 81358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1407832892 281591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway it was just trying to be an "intrinsic" pun of some sort
< 1407832900 965538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1407832909 798547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_function
< 1407832910 836130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1407832921 756326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not succeed at this
< 1407832936 692949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like watching a train wreck.
< 1407832939 847141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The place where puns go to die | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1407832947 350774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yep
< 1407832955 46766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't think I've ever watched one.
< 1407832981 170810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#trains is probably the channel for them
< 1407832982 706451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1407833056 933343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<J_Arcane> [...] And if I printed everything from a data string, that data string would itself have to contain the data string ad infinitum. <-- you're not very well acquainted with quines, i take.
< 1407833082 928593 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not really, beyond the wiki entry and a few mentions here.
< 1407833093 606334 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I've misunderstood the directive.
< 1407833101 120913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :directive?
< 1407833121 664307 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, words failing, brain tired: read instead intent/instructions/etc.
< 1407833204 35819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the clue is that you use the data string _twice_, once to print the data string and once to print the rest of the code. (possibly not in order.)
< 1407833210 42275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The prime directive is to not interfere with natural quine development.
< 1407833217 426532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oops
< 1407833250 666782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to that i say, what evidence have we that quines have _ever_ developed naturally
< 1407833302 833041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sweeps the body of godel under the rug

< 1407833394 841099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the universe is a quine that has always existed, and the others are mere subcopies of it.
< 1407833406 91811 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think it's cheating to access the program code directly
< 1407833416 548966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP*
< 1407833423 389589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heretic!
< 1407833478 237402 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be?
< 1407833491 850425 :scshunt_!449046fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.144.70.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quine is just a fixed point
< 1407833696 193131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a C program that printed out its machine code would be cool
< 1407833708 119529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean, its compiled executable
< 1407833779 952997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can print any computable function of the code, so that shouldn't be too hard
< 1407833781 440990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if it works with multiple OSes and compilers
< 1407833793 367023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in less code than gcc, preferably :)
< 1407833799 836523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH
< 1407833809 889276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not actually that hard.
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< 1407834136 158114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One think I want to do is write a standards-compliant but horrible C implementation
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< 1407834174 305965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure it doesn't support the struct hack
< 1407834178 843393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean a DS9K simulator? 
< 1407834193 620250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_either_ 1 or MAXSIZE form
< 1407834217 249099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, along those lines
< 1407834218 841172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a DS9K
< 1407834273 523263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been some attempts, but I don't know of anything that really went anywhere.
< 1407834394 973274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds9k.com is... a blog about freeware programs? 
< 1407834400 837456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unexpected.
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< 1407834528 79711 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got as far as having part of a preprocessor and most of a tokenizer
< 1407834553 579172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's longer than the most prominent Google hit of https://github.com/nitrix/ds9k
< 1407834569 973219 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1407834639 784137 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Removing the hard drive from the PC and hitting it with a large hammer will stop easy access to the data but will not stop a more determined attacker unless you use a very large hammer."
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< 1407834662 507975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- actual text of a university policy here
< 1407834748 47944 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, I've got some 1500 lines of Haskell that probably doesn't compile against modern library versions
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< 1407834898 640763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty safe bet
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< 1407841883 450896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :aretecode!aretecode@69.163.36.90##fixyourconnection
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< 1407841974 517471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody syntax
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< 1407842334 472992 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:29df:9fdc:c3ff:b926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm: isn't befunge's thing where it "tries to be hard to compile" sort of meaningless
< 1407842374 445125 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:29df:9fdc:c3ff:b926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean an interpreter in C with fixed source code is pretty much "compiled befunge"
< 1407842490 823843 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much but not really
< 1407842626 96292 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:29df:9fdc:c3ff:b926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's admittedly kind of a cheaty solution but what's really the difference!
< 1407842627 697744 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, when done like that, ahead-of-time compilation doesn't improve performance over plain interpretation
< 1407842677 989489 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is something that you'd usually expect to be the case and is I guess the original main reason for compiling stuff
< 1407842686 16205 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C7C9.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407842714 969098 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:29df:9fdc:c3ff:b926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1407843623 267836 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess to do it 'properly' you'd have to incorporate a JIT compiler into the final executable
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< 1407844707 94048 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that counts any more than embedding an interpreter does
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< 1407845898 819912 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, eh, i think it satisfies the criterion that separarates compilers from 'interpreters bundled with source'
< 1407846086 397555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good old compiler debate rears its ugly head.
< 1407846167 391569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does ##fixyourconnection exist? 
< 1407846208 956781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently.
< 1407846225 421422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :##c auto-redirect-bans to ##stop_join_flood, so I guess there's competition in the market.
< 1407846416 745918 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "JIT compiler bundled with source" seems like a variant of the latter to me
< 1407846487 933905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How did it feel when you were compiled?
< 1407846488 132901 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just had a blank program.
< 1407846498 601462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must've been terrible.
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< 1407846676 773680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not necessarily bundled with source, just used on the result of g/p instructions
< 1407846689 502461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which, now i think about it, is the same as the actual source
< 1407846701 508411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky bastards
< 1407846719 491294 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
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< 1407859209 144852 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike
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< 1407862447 775630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI
< 1407862448 258956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 121620Z 07004KT 040V110 9999 FEW025 SCT055 BKN065 17/12 Q1015 NOSIG
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< 1407862818 608407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and LOWI is the ICAO code for the local airport.
< 1407862853 489831 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrong channel)
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< 1407864755 13972 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=63944
< 1407864924 982316 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I was thinking about base -2 arithmetic
< 1407865230 941680 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-151-186.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like symmetric base 3.
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< 1407865579 801309 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:7176:d495:e0bb:1101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i have no clue how to run this
< 1407865605 165001 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:7176:d495:e0bb:1101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link in the readme is just broken too wow
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< 1407866262 494622 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: run   npm install   in the directory, and then   node app.js
< 1407866275 261823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had trouble figuring it out myself
< 1407866286 325355 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yeah, it's called negabinary
< 1407866463 960462 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is evil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_base
< 1407866501 615007 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not evil.
< 1407866565 191083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though counting takes some getting used to. 0 1 110 111 100 101 11000 ...
< 1407866603 197530 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :_:D
< 1407866660 362387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. the last one should be 11010.
< 1407866757 423518 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nega-zeckendorf representation is worse.
< 1407867114 768764 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane, not so evil as quarter-imaginary
< 1407867138 531007 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or golden ratio base, every time i think i understand that i forget the details
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< 1407869571 68546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! haven't seen you around here in a bit...
< 1407869713 302485 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1407869716 497916 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from Spain!
< 1407870192 917767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened in spain?
< 1407870232 397346 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was with my parents, enjoying the sun, the narrow streets, the tapas, the architecture...
< 1407870238 303268 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:7176:d495:e0bb:1101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens in spain stays in spain
< 1407870263 348615 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: sadly yes. I'll miss the food.
< 1407870276 716040 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls the taste of the delicious chipirónes...

< 1407870617 164254 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407871733 334955 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407872213 458986 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1407872556 139439 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1407873051 692442 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407873239 818201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, gedit (I use it occasionally to look at clipboard, as opposed to selection) has turned into something completely different-looking. It no longer has regular menu bars, instead it just has a combined toolbar-titlebar thing, and a rounded-corners-and-drop-shadow window that it draws itself. With a XMonad-drawn solid red border hovering a centimetre away.
< 1407873273 817356 :nooodl!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:7176:d495:e0bb:1101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407873298 650994 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: disgraceful!
< 1407873379 993581 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-149-209.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1407873568 762208 :nooodl!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:7176:d495:e0bb:1101 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1407874015 873835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140812-gedit.png   just look at that stuff
< 1407874094 41930 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407874155 487098 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407874223 189593 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the humanity.
< 1407874242 339134 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nice fungot backdrop, tho.)
< 1407874242 636804 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you want a bit of a functional solution first if i can put it on pretty much everything is better nekkid
< 1407874254 280673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for oversized buttons and fonts
< 1407874260 930543 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like your source code naked, you kinky bot you ;)
< 1407874261 270529 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yeah, that too. seemed to confirm people's satanic conspiracy theories about lucent... but then, i have no clue what you are
< 1407874277 705791 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I am an abnormally tanned Canadian.
< 1407874277 942173 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( b)? no way, twb, but he's doing an excercise, so that's good.
< 1407874280 294310 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-151-186.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1407874280 881243 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-151-186.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1407874292 28392 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes way.
< 1407874292 221660 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's 22 tokens in all.
< 1407874303 82402 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I have a 5 euro bill. will that do?
< 1407874314 145144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's up with this recent averseness to menu bars?!
< 1407874354 416401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "cogwheel button" pops up a giant menu with everything in it.
< 1407874373 102112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, nice?!
< 1407874415 721327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save functionality, search and replace, fullscreen mode, spell-checking, syntax highlighting, help, about, close, quit.
< 1407874418 714829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all there.
< 1407874427 755357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all related to cogwheels.
< 1407874436 109036 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: GNOME developers have started drinking the tablet koolaid, sadly.
< 1407874451 327668 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of a big schism right now. 
< 1407874451 644103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, only "save as" and "save all". The regular save is the button with the arrow.
< 1407874456 879408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the cogwheel is nicer than firebox's "menu bar" bars
< 1407874472 965698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The three parallel horizontal bars? 
< 1407874481 642086 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my floppy! how will I know what newfangled button will save?
< 1407874482 485819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from a purely aesthetic point of view)
< 1407874486 728063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes that one
< 1407874488 595458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got that in both Chromium and Icedove here, it must be some kind of a standard.
< 1407874506 185957 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have it in firefox anymore, but it took some effort ;)
< 1407874509 112527 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Man, the Firefox menu button doesn't even make *sense*. At least the one on Chrome actualyl brings up a list; the FF menu is actually an icon bin.
< 1407874523 333487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cogwheels are everywhere in Android, too.
< 1407874545 60481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's this userChrome.css entry: #PanelUI-button { display: none !important }
< 1407874570 327964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Icedove/Thunderbird menu bar button menu (...) is a two-panel menu.
< 1407874581 608183 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1407874601 276732 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407874678 390736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140812-icedove.png
< 1407874693 486705 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just implemented Deadfish in TI-BASIC. Reminds me why I avoid programming in it.
< 1407874694 408358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's mostly a two-column menu except with some icons thrown in.
< 1407874733 790201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1407874775 60952 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ice*dove*, not iceweasel.
< 1407874808 695877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks the same here. for some reason I don't notice the button so much though
< 1407874847 779308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it to quit.
< 1407874850 301308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it.
< 1407874858 212069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason is actually simple - I have a search bar at the rightmost end of the iceweasel tool bar, and that gets displaced by the useless menu button)
< 1407874877 919345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I activated the menu bar in icedove.
< 1407874924 250717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd quit using Ctrl-Q.
< 1407874946 41569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never remember whether it's ctrl-q or ctrl-shift-q or what in which program.
< 1407874952 405791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromium does ctrl-shift-q.
< 1407874962 738657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get those two mixed up.
< 1407874978 191885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "compose a new message" window in Icedove has a regular menu bar.
< 1407874980 741897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be ctrl-q
< 1407874993 180677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :icedove really messes me up with its redefined ctrl-f
< 1407875020 595859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, "forward" is not important enough to steal a standard keybinding.
< 1407875371 371940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407875625 737506 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION playfully mapoles oerjan

< 1407875687 960008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know metasepia has been fired
< 1407875699 800283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot took eir job
< 1407875706 650437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1407875707 90922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 122020Z 16006KT 100V220 CAVOK 18/08 Q0994 RMK WIND 670FT 19019KT
< 1407875732 919664 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... EEEEEEH?
< 1407875737 98824 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
< 1407875747 742951 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1407875748 105844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 122000Z 15021KT 15SM FEW055 BKN085 OVC220 27/14 A2993 RMK CU1AC4CI3 SLP136 DENSITY ALT 1400FT
< 1407875751 815414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never metasepia i didn't like
< 1407875757 85558 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens when you log out your bot, boily
< 1407875760 967836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently int-e did
< 1407875763 75593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, but you cannot expect a bot to keep a channel job with that kind of spotty attendance.
< 1407875766 767736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would never have happened if metasepia had actually been here reliably.
< 1407875778 43820 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :je proteste.
< 1407875794 864595 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles shachaf for that horrible pun.

< 1407875804 182654 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. such is life.
< 1407875825 280927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you should be proud. ~metar was so useful that I missed it when it wasn't there :P
< 1407875835 770420 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: heh :D
< 1407875841 161939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proper punishment for meta-puns is the falling anvil hth
< 1407875890 830739 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an official Chännel Änvil?
< 1407875902 646908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mostly i'm the one getting crushed by it
< 1407875913 381295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i supposed it's rare these days.
< 1407875916 753003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-d
< 1407875989 805574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you could have looked it up in the logs, back when HackEgo had them >_>
< 1407876040 102801 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complex for my jetlagged brain.
< 1407876046 629777 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides, I think I'm hungry.)
< 1407876098 370640 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do anvils work on irc anyway?
< 1407876114 270397 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the same as they do in minecraft?
< 1407876125 285688 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know. I never touched an anvil.
< 1407876280 346943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well, it's simple: you drop the anvil; the target feels suitably smashed; life goes on.
< 1407876305 499922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(step 2 is optional)
< 1407876570 526747 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407876574 635479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2 is the most important one
< 1407876725 764931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think step 1 is the optional one - the anvil is not to be trusted.
< 1407876860 103659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 3 is not so much optional as irrelevant
< 1407876963 437595 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1407877034 677438 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407877062 30397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but step 3 is a crucial difference between IRC and real life
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< 1407877800 998292 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1407877991 334313 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1407877998 67905 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I musn't be tempted by the mattress. I mustn't be tempted by the mattress. I mustn't be tempted by the mattress. my mind is pure and completely devoid of any visions of sleep.
< 1407878008 870042 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407878330 109674 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated!
< 1407878352 64216 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407878452 898507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. z Z
< 1407878505 183643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℤ
< 1407878554 498361 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't be that easily corrupted by those earthly delights.
< 1407878726 938753 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1407878832 204184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. 𝕫 ℤ
< 1407878865 683897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝕾𝕷𝕰𝕰𝕻.
< 1407879577 368355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, 𝕫
< 1407879584 532834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's advanced
< 1407879635 196322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 𝕫="sleep" in 𝕫
< 1407879636 742731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "sleep"
< 1407879719 748096 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated!
< 1407879735 346871 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407880707 897194 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1407881326 290232 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surrender.
< 1407881332 397683 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SPANISH CHICKEN
< 1407881873 80381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: 𝕫𝕫𝕫𝕫
< 1407883159 339002 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated!
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< 1407883759 386754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1407886353 939476 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
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< 1407887895 864268 :IIXII!~Emp@197.28.99.191 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1407887910 200255 :nooodl!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:7176:d495:e0bb:1101 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1407888190 86767 :nooodl!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:7176:d495:e0bb:1101 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1407888224 906934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407890114 886260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist
< 1407890115 690932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion
< 1407890136 915571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deluxe subscribers have already been notified, naturally
< 1407890420 121648 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they not done this joke like 3 times before
< 1407890643 312572 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1407891041 10465 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1407892424 924853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't a whistle and a bassoon get along harmoniously?
< 1407892537 691390 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :historical racial attitudes formerly encouraged by a colonial power for the sake of simplifying their hegemony
< 1407892556 468340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah righto
< 1407892623 309777 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ this city's going insane.
< 1407892897 424145 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane! this city's going jesus christ
< 1407892968 631672 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only.
< 1407892988 415946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we get to hear why
< 1407893012 480942 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure. St Louis is on its third day of riots triggered by a police officer shooting a black kid in the back.
< 1407893031 180435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I had no idea where you lived.
< 1407893034 633964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were in colorado.
< 1407893039 707282 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I moved a year ago.
< 1407893075 617854 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. I swear, did someone open a portal to 1965 or something?
< 1407893084 364002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :daresay the shooting is more the thing than the protests
< 1407893096 387590 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound terribly unusual
< 1407893106 788166 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The police response to the protests is also quite 1965 though.
< 1407893121 922410 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unaware that sniper rifles had a significant role in crowd control.
< 1407893130 637730 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor that media blackouts or no fly zones did.
< 1407893132 734059 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sniper rifles with actual bullets?
< 1407893147 130291 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. Non-lethal rounds are designed for shotguns.
< 1407893179 543214 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, i've only been hearing about ferguson, it's extended to saint louis?
< 1407893194 997099 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ferguson is essentially Saint Louis.
< 1407893195 253558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that cops shooting black kids is nothing really new or particularly 60s, right
< 1407893220 706244 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Particular details are most similar to that period though.
< 1407893222 522475 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the 1960s is the usual go-to for violent responses to protests, possibly most famously at kentucky U.
< 1407893238 52168 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in united states culture, i mean.
< 1407893288 632853 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how do i pre declare types in C or something. i have typedef struct cons { ... obj *car, *cdr; } cons; and then later typedef union obj { ... cons cons; } essentially
< 1407893323 582977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah I just mean, the US does not really seem to be massively outside the status quo in any way here, sad as that is
< 1407893330 250891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: struct cons;
< 1407893339 61808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I think you can do
< 1407893345 800066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct cons cons; ... struct cons { ... }
< 1407893347 155673 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is with obj, gcc doesn't know what an obj is yet
< 1407893357 908920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef union obj obj;
< 1407893361 496100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct cons cons;
< 1407893363 891073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct cons { ... }
< 1407893366 78198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :union obj { ... }
< 1407893372 472363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*; *; *fuck
< 1407893379 868034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idae
< 1407893382 436984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea
< 1407893385 731516 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. this syntax seems weird
< 1407893394 222897 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also weird is i realized i haven't heard any comparisons to rodney king yet
< 1407893395 273320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite simple really, though it is weird
< 1407893405 693636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(struct TAG) and (enum TAG) are types defined by struct TAG { ... } and enum TAG { ... }
< 1407893415 12507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are also types
< 1407893417 368471 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is hard :(
< 1407893424 276938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they jsut specify what that type is)
< 1407893432 577935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can refer to them before they're defined
< 1407893443 61986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"typedef type typename;" makes typename an alias for type
< 1407893497 254689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so typedef struct { ... } foo; works because it's making foo an alias for the anonymous struct type (struct { ... }). typedef struct tag1 { ... } tag2; is the same except the type is now a named struct, and it defines (struct tag1) to be that struct
< 1407893499 254613 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooohhhh goody. We've got militia nuts walking in now.
< 1407893520 336255 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe now the police's "equipped for invading Iran" stance makes sense.
< 1407893525 979980 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guns will solve this problem
< 1407893535 703816 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd kind of guessed that, but it's just... i dunno. weird
< 1407893538 847439 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guns solve all problems!
< 1407893541 969669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is weird, yeah.
< 1407893551 73910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fairly orthogonal, weird part of the language. like most of C.
< 1407893557 903018 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in happier news, did you hear that the first woman to win a fields medal has been erased, as well as the first iranian
< 1407893563 149105 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1407893564 353394 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :announced
< 1407893564 587342 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FWIW I'm actually quite a ways away from the neighborhood where this is all going on, I'm just going "oh fucks' sake" at it)
< 1407893566 256719 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1407893585 679751 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual i don't understand a thing she does
< 1407893592 13692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: our shadowy agenda is doing well. have you edited her out of all the photos yet
< 1407893616 161746 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :her name is "Mirzakhani" which is just incredible sounding
< 1407893618 99649 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirzakhani
< 1407893620 952712 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't erase that
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< 1407893642 205298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can erase my being awake. bye
< 1407893652 551618 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later
< 1407893690 995164 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a bad year for violence eh
< 1407893694 430312 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1407894197 390760 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now when i have "obj data[1];" in a struct i'm told that's incomplete
< 1407894508 728733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incomplete?
< 1407894575 111069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type does have to be defined before it is used in that way, so make sure "obj" is defined.
< 1407894575 912107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You need to define obj before actually using it like that, presumably.
< 1407894593 877131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pointer to obj is fine, but if you have an actual obj you need to know much memory it'll take.
< 1407894612 923050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, define the actual structure, so that the size is known.)
< 1407894631 859067 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a union i define after this struct because it includes that struct! argh
< 1407894652 774380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it would take an infinite amount of memory and it won't work
< 1407894663 931429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1407894673 735683 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1407894675 895217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that code allocates one "obj" cell.
< 1407894691 857428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :union obj; struct cons { struct obj *car, *cdr }; union obj { cons cons; };
< 1407894803 194267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If obj then also allocates data of type of this structure, then how can you know the proper amount of memory? It doesn't work!
< 1407894836 568876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"struct cons cons;", rather
< 1407894850 246588 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers work, not an array though
< 1407894931 881828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because for an array you need to know what size it is
< 1407894934 523910 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok the code i'm going off of has an array of union*, not union
< 1407894939 380698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do here
< 1407894940 675316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1407894945 508416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense then
< 1407894955 905792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there you go
< 1407894957 763403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://spl.smugmug.com/Humor/Lambdacats/i-XwKHSBM/2/O/boxed%20cat%20has%20a%20uniform%20representation.jpg
< 1407894964 225576 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, there i go.
< 1407894995 831065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An array allocates the memory for its contents; declaring a pointer does not, it allocates memory for the address instead.
< 1407895663 572760 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yeah, i get what you're saying but i thought the code (which i know works) was doing an array anyway, so i was confused.
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< 1407900420 521425 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you declare multiple functions in one line? Like "void foo, bar(void);" say. that sounds amusing.
< 1407900490 892457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean void foo(void), bar(void);
< 1407900520 508930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :function declaration syntax is not different from variable declaration syntax
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< 1407900563 316023 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5cff.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's a whole community for esoteric programming languages...but is there one for esoteric file formats and/or protocols?
< 1407900576 551685 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5cff.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or operating systems?
< 1407900657 553604 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: boring
< 1407900737 595879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: whoa is your nick a split infinity thing
< 1407900744 389017 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5cff.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ?
< 1407900755 888242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not
< 1407900757 739067 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5cff.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a Mega Man thing
< 1407900766 167818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1407900794 480645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you know the thing where you can call a function with (********f)(...)
< 1407900821 892869 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, if you mean names referring to function pointers, yeah.
< 1407900842 245997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions are distinct from function pointers
< 1407900861 796919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example you can't take the sizeof a function
< 1407900870 315614 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatred of C growing
< 1407900878 321047 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: file formats have even more of a tendency to be undocumented crap than programming languages, so why bother
< 1407901072 340489 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5cff.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's not about being undocumented, it's about intentionally being weird
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< 1407901100 894881 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crap", i said
< 1407901114 543008 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i know, let me find an example i ran into a few weeks ago
< 1407901173 254327 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Level_7 pretty much all of these
< 1407901208 817064 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arden_syntax#Arden_Syntax_Example this MLM is an example for reading data and writing a message;;
< 1407901265 346416 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5cff.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's so bad about it?
< 1407902185 695368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what UPS should i buy
< 1407902822 42635 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/pull/212/files#diff-9222e0f7e94c703c713184a57132c5fbL1183 i'm afraid
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< 1407907436 72090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (*********f)() thing works because "[except sizeof, _Alignof, unary &] a function designator [expression with function type] with type 'function returning /type/' is converted to an expression that has type 'pointer to function returning /type/'."
< 1407907440 138274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "f" has function type, but it's not one of the exceptions so it's converted to a pointer; "*f" again has function type, but it's still not one of the exceptions so ...; and so on up to (********f) which is also converted to a pointer to function, and used in a function call.
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< 1407907987 2751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referring back to backlog, you can't refer to an enum with "enum foo" before declaring its constants.
< 1407907989 992010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except as a GCC extension.
< 1407907990 424949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule that allows "typedef struct s s; struct s { ... };" is specific to structs and unions.
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< 1407915201 89645 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1407/ I feel like there ought to be a bit with "no survivors" in it
< 1407916198 714409 :scoofy!~blah@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always some survivors
< 1407916257 670715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably if there are no survivors from one hurricane then people in that area would remember a different one
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< 1407916888 554520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm wondering what the sweet spot of survival rate is for a hurricane to be remembered as the worst one
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< 1407919592 15669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<quintopia> this is a bad year for violence eh <-- no it's a good year for violence.  it's a bad year for the victims.
< 1407919745 903666 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good moerjaning.
< 1407919795 362098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'daily
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< 1407924644 51888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (960)
< 1407924644 948508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (960): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1407924652 548319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1407924765 507183 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dun ♪
< 1407924787 227786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use rss or something fancy like that
< 1407924802 415705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not on olist yourself
< 1407924825 645071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just do it as a public service; I'm using Feedly to feed myself.
< 1407924850 902106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it annoying how you don't get the image embedded in the oots rss feed
< 1407924895 51065 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can't miss it.
< 1407924906 829019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone told it was so i made an rss feed that has an image embedded
< 1407924939 148987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *that* annoying. Though I do miss my previous RSS reader that you could configure (per feed) to "instead of showing the message, show the linked page".
< 1407924964 170471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also made one for smbc-comics.com that shows the "votey" picture
< 1407924978 436896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a number of comics where the RSS feed is image-less, presumably due to ad reasons? 
< 1407924999 634478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist doesn't have ads on the comic page
< 1407925008 507930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually use rss myself, anyway
< 1407925056 752210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a Perl script that watched non-RSS-enabled webcomics, extracted the image (and possibly some metadata like titles or whatnot) and made a composite feed.
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< 1407936431 325614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun perl fact: "1 + rand" is not the same at all as "rand + 1".
< 1407936679 925896 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Use of "rand" without parentheses is ambiguous
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< 1407936795 183011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a warning. Handy.
< 1407936813 386506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't try this fact, I just picked it from #perl.)
< 1407936876 627004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print rand+1," ",1+rand'
< 1407936877 299284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Use of "rand" without parentheses is ambiguous at -e line 1. \ 0.504177718962641 1.73521801721969
< 1407936917 644614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets parsed as rand(+1).
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< 1407939367 856792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't that apply to anything with a prototype or whatever?
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< 1407940545 95223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant union, not enum, yeah, sorry
< 1407940551 812670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I didn't know you can't actually do that
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< 1407964387 21785 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now
< 1407964421 973105 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1407964508 218019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode's a-breaking.
< 1407964639 359679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan
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< 1407965799 611128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hintopia
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< 1407969967 402308 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net NICK :Guest68490
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< 1407970107 702962 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem
< 1407970188 240977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did HackEgo not ping me?
< 1407970189 321639 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407970208 463325 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name's there, Quassel just decided it wasn't a ping
< 1407970212 65282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it was before I left?
< 1407970248 470155 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack
< 1407970249 143679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D
< 1407970264 540133 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still alive, fsvo alive.
< 1407970311 52511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume he's referring to the `olist
< 1407970333 911099 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1407970349 963387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it ping you when i say Sgeo like this
< 1407970355 23233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1407970372 570555 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1407970373 24456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 132200Z 13014KT 8SM -RA SCT006 OVC045 18/18 A2968 RMK SF3SC5 SLP052 DENSITY ALT 800FT
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< 1407970817 70077 :zalweasel!~quassel@ip68-231-241-223.hr.hr.cox.net PART :#esoteric
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< 1407971489 955827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK
< 1407971490 253615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 132250Z 24018KT 8000 TSRA SCT010 BKN030CB 13/11 Q1008 TEMPO 6000
< 1407971502 874351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all TSRA here.
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< 1407980000 82429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an exciting day in esoteric
< 1407980581 64778 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an exciting day!
< 1407980589 725954 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything here is doing something more exciting than chatting here
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< 1407987471 282781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me
< 1407987671 95235 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407988208 367782 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1407988279 421199 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, go watch people play video games
< 1407988297 465838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, to play the game by yourself
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< 1407997574 236236 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is heading towards static type checking?
< 1407997617 598313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not part of CPython
< 1407997733 816928 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2014-August/028618.html
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< 1408000921 175710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40283&oldid=40005 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+39) 10/* Optimizing implementations */
< 1408002348 648228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40284&oldid=40283 5* 0381.84.26.109 5* (+132) 10Add my brainfuck interpreter
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< 1408004632 407391 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40285&oldid=38193 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+7) 10/* Power Series */ punctuation
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< 1408022011 930119 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys
< 1408022067 530625 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone feels like decrypting some extremely obfuscated Ruby code, I made this https://gist.githubusercontent.com/TieSoul/08f0642d90b29310ba4e/raw/d9fab88899f7f4566d248ee17bcc46bd6bc59bb6/obf
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< 1408023488 869493 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff too many alphanumeric characters left in there
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< 1408023546 721687 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ruby program can be rewritten using only punctuation you know! like perl
< 1408023673 172037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or JavaScript.
< 1408023862 354816 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez i don't remember where i read about this :(
< 1408023923 507165 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you see what it does? :P
< 1408023931 779700 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is related though http://shinh.skr.jp/obf/sym_poly_quine.txt
< 1408023940 894322 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby-perl-js punctuation polyglot quine
< 1408023977 869666 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1408024223 237658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part with that sort of quine is the first few characters
< 1408024234 887630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that it's not so bad
< 1408024273 321445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to exploit the fact that $_ is a valid variable name in all three languages
< 1408024286 123643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the only one that is, in fact
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< 1408024559 219570 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :!tell ais523 $__ $___ $____... are valid in all three as well
< 1408024561 371905 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: $__: $___: $____...: are: valid: in: all: three: as: well:
< 1408024571 167749 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1408024575 853027 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 $__ $___ $____... are valid in all three as well
< 1408024575 989939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408024646 586707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that !tell is the best.
< 1408024773 783983 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what's going on there
< 1408024782 59427 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does EgoBot's do
< 1408024788 355370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something silly.
< 1408024820 128741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show tell
< 1408024820 367967 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh xargs printf "%s: "; sed 's/.*# *//g' interps/$1
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< 1408025023 307239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
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< 1408026584 522376 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent the past, like, half-hour, dissecting my own obfuscated code :P
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< 1408026796 241164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: yeah, that happens
< 1408026818 594416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than spending hours to understnd your old non-obfuscated code
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< 1408027034 100467 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.githubusercontent.com/TieSoul/08f0642d90b29310ba4e/raw/d9fab88899f7f4566d248ee17bcc46bd6bc59bb6/obf First one to tell me what it does without running it wins :P
< 1408027094 898464 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.githubusercontent.com/TieSoul/7a66f3172198fdf7d57b/raw/f8f6a3abbe67166fffea1486be9e623abdacac26/obf.rb and here's another one :P
< 1408027195 62215 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ruby if you didn't notice
< 1408027197 997552 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
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< 1408029235 207075 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/7xgBf3mI9Qvllwd7q6h6/ translates any ruby program into one using only punctuation
< 1408029259 75415 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :example output http://bpaste.net/show/EclHWAT4CWo5TSnPLR06/
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< 1408033316 257917 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ones in the output.
< 1408033665 784664 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the output programs are much too large
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< 1408033700 784775 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and literally just copy the characters in the source
< 1408033704 121251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for the record, there's https://github.com/alcuadrado/hieroglyphy for the corresponding JavaScript operation.
< 1408033781 554773 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the ruby thing breaks
< 1408033812 796220 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just fed it my SNUSP interpreter and the output program threw a syntax error.
< 1408035541 532289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed it to a BANCStar interpreter instead
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< 1408038804 930428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody mentioned BANCStar \o/
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< 1408038845 592835 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!party
< 1408038849 797933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1408038854 510146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^party
< 1408038855 893917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`party
< 1408038856 692738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: party: not found
< 1408038858 858617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1408038860 65667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^party
< 1408038863 290673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1408038865 835211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PARTY THEN
< 1408038866 936520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1408038888 5181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1408038892 813896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, where are you? 
< 1408038893 66559 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ergo the " stop fnord" criterion involved. both of those
< 1408038908 763815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1408038908 900757 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
< 1408038909 340885 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c |
< 1408038909 478131 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ c.c  >\  |\|   |    /<  c.c  >\    |    /^\|/^\ c.c /|
< 1408038909 759765 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               (_|¯`¯|_)              /'\
< 1408038910 313472 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                    (_| |_)
< 1408038929 469815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1408038931 73653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't party, we celebrate. It's more civilized.
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< 1408039938 889831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AguedaKling 5*  10New user account
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< 1408040409 513622 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prose
< 1408040410 239427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1138) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1408040641 115271 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the ꙮ supposed to be a rectangle? :P
< 1408040725 588060 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ
< 1408040726 278537 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O]
< 1408040754 837027 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rhymes, and if you assume the "cyrillic letter" bit isn't in, scans.
< 1408040850 402241 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, "I might use, in my prose, multiocular O's" does fit well.
< 1408040904 383692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't render here either, but I deduced it was the multiocular O from the context.
< 1408040919 227783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official mascot codepoint of #esoteric? 
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< 1408041436 586458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was kmc's personal codepoint
< 1408041857 480256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/XeDO   I guess so
< 1408041936 519 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1408041995 852119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mascot codepoint... hehe
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< 1408048689 250401 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40287&oldid=23603 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-95) 10The implementation and current definition are not TC, though, what is 'recursive' supposed to mean?
< 1408049593 636422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't show it "NOT Turing complete", it just discombobulates the reduction of brainfuck to BrainCursion.
< 1408049698 100259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at the very least it skips quite a lot of steps.
< 1408049957 635634 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408050200 71778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40288&oldid=40287 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+246) 10Proper proof/disproof of TC left as an exercise to next editor.
< 1408050407 139313 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1408050434 412073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40289&oldid=40288 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+50) 10/* Computational class */ Minor further clarification.
< 1408050477 851782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, that's not quite right, sorry about that.
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< 1408050696 98088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, with conditional #(@...) and one loop (end the program with #%), this is quite obviously TC.
< 1408050719 159937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40290&oldid=40289 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-4) 10/* Computational class */ I will never edit again this tired.
< 1408050780 506694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even wrote "BrainCopter" there temporarily. Today has not been a good day.
< 1408050780 998471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1408050790 109991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want (#@...), of course.
< 1408050846 118873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... I should not use ( at all.
< 1408050857 132938 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :braincopter
< 1408050866 50689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But you can use #@...) freely.
< 1408050881 282732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1408050923 724696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that could be pointed out, I'm sure there's a sketch of a TC proof along those lines somewhere in the wiki.
< 1408050985 658672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to make any more edits, though; next time I'll call it BrunkSporsion or something. (I was so sure BrainCopter was an actual language, but apparently there's a limit even to BF derivatives.)
< 1408050988 290457 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really that obvious yet i don't think?
< 1408051028 276294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some languages with only the "entire program is one large loop" looping construct, and conditional execution inside.
< 1408051036 915138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone must've done the details for one of those.
< 1408051073 298594 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but to do pretty much anything inside that loop in brainfuck (e.g. so much as clear or move a cell!) you need nested loops
< 1408051246 558642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: the basic pattern will be repeated blocks of #@...%)-, followed by #%. That gives you a goto program with 255 labels. You need some funny tricks to exploit the conditional in the '...' part, centered around @> following by some fixup code to realign the pointer.
< 1408051277 153875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: of course there may well be something simpler.
< 1408051302 474738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that [-] becomes @-@-@-@-@-, so creating constants is not hard.
< 1408051321 255347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1408051325 418667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mixing up @ and # here.
< 1408051336 759881 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I mean #> and #-#-#-#-#-.
< 1408051367 849602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are even some without conditional execution inside and they still work
< 1408051372 648973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to simulate conditionals
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< 1408051446 403750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an arguably even simpler construction: use the first K cells of the tape to encode a "current state" value in a 1-in-K encoding, and write the entire program in the form   >+<( >#@aaaa) >#@bbbb) >#@cccc) {...} <<< #%)   you have K labels and no fancy code.
< 1408051484 531133 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :do a minsky machine!
< 1408051498 889510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not quite, now you can only access a finite amount of memory.
< 1408051518 354999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some trickery so the 'state' moves with the pointer
< 1408051557 530156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. Well, the "spec" doesn't mention whether the cells are bounded or not.
< 1408051559 696253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's why I wanted to use a single cell, which should be plenty to encode a universal machine, which is all we need)
< 1408051594 169918 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:b914:823d:a352:1c9c PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like this might be turing incomplete with bounded cells
< 1408051631 821330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not essential that the state fits into a single cell either; you can interleave the "real" cells with blocks of zeros that are enough to hold a state.
< 1408051653 250059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that works better, yes.
< 1408051863 886455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, #@...%)- blocks don't quite make a goto program with labels, because # will skip the @ and enter the block for any nonzero value, so it'd run all the blocks but one.
< 1408051876 48111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I considered the 1-in-K version.
< 1408051911 518109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.
< 1408051943 337309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :#>#@...) looks like a viable alternative
< 1408051968 650574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely, #>#@ ... %)<
< 1408052010 616607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that still just skip both the > and @ for any nonzero state label? 
< 1408052021 81868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And happily proceed down to ....
< 1408052069 615266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. Ok, once more:  #<>#@ ... %)<
< 1408052085 381875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(testing a cell that is followed by a cell holding 0)
< 1408052136 450290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems reasonable. You can easily use only every third cell for real data, anyway.
< 1408052324 779306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll summarize this to the discussion page for someone to write it up.
< 1408053005 443663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf, the interpreter is an exe file.
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< 1408053384 866281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BrainCursion14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40291 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+1096) 10Summarize interesting TC discussion on #esoteric.
< 1408053406 8635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given my track record for today, that probably contains something badly enough wrong to set the server on fire.
< 1408053445 145443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes; #-#-#-... is not a zero idiom, since it will skip the -s if nonzero. I keep getting that the wrong way around.
< 1408053529 124246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. doesn't matter :)
< 1408053672 221678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40292&oldid=40291 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+56) 10/* TC proof sketch */ Avoid a cell-zeroing idiom that's not.
< 1408053683 832338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in the interests of correctness.
< 1408053721 989100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> I don't want to make any more edits, though; next time I'll call it BrunkSporsion or something. (I was so sure BrainCopter was an actual language, but apparently there's a limit even to BF derivatives.) <-- um there is, except without the camelcase.
< 1408053735 235645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I found that out later.
< 1408053762 422272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So I guess there's no limit to BF derivatives; all is well in the world.)
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< 1408054239 140573 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird hanging out with people who are into crypto, when I know next to nothing on the subject
< 1408054276 187636 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "Didn't that cypher have 56 bits of entropy" [raucous laughter]
< 1408054287 333192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's me sat there not having a clue what's going on
< 1408054487 318664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of that joke about the guys numbering their jokes
< 1408054553 437881 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little of that
< 1408054569 885001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40293&oldid=40292 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+101) 10/* TC proof sketch */ I'm having a competition: how many bugs can you fit in a snippet this short.
< 1408054579 710583 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more that I feel like an outsider, like, I know some of the words but I don't get the jokes
< 1408054588 698532 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or know quite what's going on
< 1408054605 985410 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the entropy joke seems fairly easy to reverse-engineer
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< 1408055817 414423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40294&oldid=40293 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-36) 10/* TC proof sketch */ Actually, that was overcomplicated as anything; simplify a whole lot.
< 1408055823 506049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm really done with it.
< 1408056001 36149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40295&oldid=40294 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+73) 10/* TC proof sketch */ Fix the halting test to conform to simplified form.
< 1408056014 443629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to wake up and go rent a car in four hours, why am I not stopping.
< 1408056057 273521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :procrastinapping
< 1408056081 406622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :great idea, rent a car while drunk with sleep
< 1408056120 560028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've booked everything, that's the way it's gots to go.
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< 1408059644 262221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Here is a full reduction from brainfuck to BrainCursion: http://sprunge.us/TJPQ?py
< 1408059644 399196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408059919 736377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie (If cells are limited to 0..255, it will work for programs containing up to 127 loops.)
< 1408059919 873541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1408061400 913585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40296&oldid=40290 5* 03212.95.7.162 5* (+740) 10provide sufficient evidence for Turing completeness
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< 1408076200 88506 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1408076394 382314 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net NICK :newsham
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< 1408087832 919677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40297&oldid=40284 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+209) 10Scanned for deadlinks,  not yet for resurrections.
< 1408088749 1104 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, 85 hours of testing later it turns out that CCBI is dieharder-clean
< 1408089564 825784 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408089831 633852 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408090428 133393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so ccbi is your recommended interpreter for hard crypto?
< 1408090537 159094 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think diehard/er have anything to do with CSPRNGs
< 1408090592 813074 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a CSPRNG should pass but passing doesn't mean it's any good for crypto
< 1408090616 574710 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, not recommended for crypto, just recommended for randomness-heavy apps in general
< 1408090630 13182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISAPPOINTING
< 1408090722 163806 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like Befunge by itself is good for crypto anyway, you should define a crypto fingerprint
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< 1408092015 536689 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTH_ -- nothing to hide, with a rot13 primitive.
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< 1408092190 113379 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There's no rule saying they have to be 4 characters
< 1408092411 352087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. according the the ISP there has been a ddos attack against the lambdabot host, that's a first. Not targeted though, I guess. "The rolling DDoS attack continues to impact several IP blocks in our NL location."
< 1408092459 383911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nevertheless that seems to be the convention
< 1408092474 596164 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I wouldn't add a _ just for that
< 1408092497 358767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTSH hth
< 1408092513 935740 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOWT
< 1408092555 354127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIAAC
< 1408092583 107741 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs > 32-bit interpreter, not that that prevents making it
< 1408092612 838112 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you map it to the modulo 2^32 value, I guess
< 1408092648 50256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just dropping a letter
< 1408092694 104113 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is isn't it
< 1408092703 599563 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's IAAC
< 1408092749 172584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok the C was sort of unnecessary
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< 1408104912 457807 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/
< 1408104912 823788 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1408104912 960659 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1408105186 395583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1408105188 909531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 151150Z VRB02KT 9999 -SHRA FEW015 SCT050 BKN060 16/11 Q1015 NOSIG
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< 1408107513 956176 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408107634 116000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40298&oldid=39091 5* 03184.7.83.126 5* (+40) 10
< 1408107785 66004 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40299&oldid=40298 5* 03184.7.83.126 5* (+2) 10
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< 1408108447 968986 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1408108538 721445 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408108668 48631 :jj2baile_!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408108842 711221 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1408117447 624561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL
< 1408117448 325233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 151452Z 31003KT 10SM FEW045 SCT250 27/16 A3007 RMK AO2 SLP170 T02720161 51007
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< 1408119598 189199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40300&oldid=40225 5* 03109.240.133.80 5* (+30) 10
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< 1408126180 575462 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408126212 590214 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So today I thought I'd come up with a way to calculate busy beaver numbers using programs shorter than the corresponding busy beaver programs.
< 1408126224 864991 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought, "I've probably made a mistake somewhere."
< 1408126243 625204 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, what I really should have been thinking was one letter different. "I've provably made a mistake somewhere."
< 1408126260 863548 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the program would have been the following.
< 1408126312 983860 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Generate all programs of length 1,000. 2. Run all of them simultaneously until N of them halt (where N, hard-coded into the program, is the number of programs of length 1,000 that halt). 3. Output the running time of the longest-running program.
< 1408126360 248325 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, there's a problem with this program. And it's not that N is uncomputable.
< 1408126393 740848 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to compute N beforehand seems like kind of a bummer
< 1408126407 131718 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle machines are expensive
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< 1408126539 927563 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bummer, yeah, but the problem here is that N can't be written concisely enough to make the program shorter than the busy beaver.
< 1408126567 663486 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N is perfectly computable. We just don't know which program to use to compute it.)
< 1408127137 345822 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: this is like the proof that the halting proability is incompressible
< 1408127165 152738 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that pretty much is this proof.
< 1408127196 674642 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose that the halting probability is compressible. Then you can use this construction to write a program busier than any busy beaver. Contradiction.
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< 1408127777 142618 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map toLower "TΤТ"
< 1408127778 918137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "t\964\1090"
< 1408127832 572738 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to get lambdabot to output the actual string?
< 1408127880 328228 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1408127897 717598 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to do it. But it's really easy.
< 1408127932 194239 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just say '> [some function] (map toLower "TΤТ")'.
< 1408127953 652184 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408127967 861333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var (map toLower "TΤТ") -- Melvar
< 1408127969 556139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : tτт
< 1408127982 611657 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1408127997 496604 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t var
< 1408127998 625414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Expr
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< 1408128942 298020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text (map toLower "TΤТ") -- alternatively
< 1408128944 49612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : tτт
< 1408128971 812546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t text
< 1408128973 32534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Doc
< 1408128992 806193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different routes, same destination.
< 1408128999 597454 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "What's up, Doc?"
< 1408129001 53821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's up, Doc?
< 1408129167 470675 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1408129431 522053 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "blah\nblah"
< 1408129433 323099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah
< 1408129433 505298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah
< 1408129453 214439 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "blah\0blah"
< 1408129454 811552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : blahblah
< 1408129608 82806 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s = " in text $ \"> let s = \" ++ show s ++ s" in text $ "> let s = " ++ show s ++ s
< 1408129610 102134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : > let s = " in text $ \"> let s = \" ++ show s ++ s" in text $ "> let s = " ...
< 1408129622 895426 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo.
< 1408129691 106618 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s="in text$\">let s=\" ++show s++s"in text$"> let s="++show s++s
< 1408129692 881015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : > let s="in text$\">let s=\" ++show s++s"in text$">let s=" ++show s++s
< 1408129699 487665 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh.
< 1408129707 238545 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s="in text$\">let s=\"++show s++s"in text$"> let s="++show s++s
< 1408129709 89015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : > let s="in text$\">let s=\"++show s++s"in text$">let s="++show s++s
< 1408129731 759218 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s="in text$\"> let s=\"++show s++s"in text$"> let s="++show s++s
< 1408129733 914791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : > let s="in text$\"> let s=\"++show s++s"in text$"> let s="++show s++s
< 1408129848 146409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to do in MediaWiki to tell to start a numbered list at something other than number 1, and/or to use other formats for list numbering?
< 1408129895 364507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: try html tags like <ol><li>. mediawiki allows most of those.
< 1408129930 211734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it not be done using the # syntax?
< 1408129934 335632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately make an indented list (preface lines with colon) and just write the numbers by hand
< 1408129944 106971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it can be, but I'm not sure
< 1408130261 265891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List
< 1408130393 51978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in particular, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:List#Specifying_a_starting_value
< 1408130911 490422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's how you do it.
< 1408130934 22217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have already fixed a list on another wiki by using <ol> already though
< 1408131600 206108 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408133483 981266 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What are you trying to do? Quine?
< 1408133664 322714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the last one was "trying" any more. Modulo the unavoidable space.
< 1408133776 98074 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Devour, "foo")
< 1408133778 263458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (
< 1408133870 493476 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [Devour, Devour]
< 1408133872 332774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [
< 1408133873 285097 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Devour
< 1408133874 499930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devour
< 1408133896 662711 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show Devour
< 1408133898 449219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ""
< 1408133912 679903 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show Devour ++ show 42
< 1408133913 807063 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, i like Devour.
< 1408133914 487066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "42"
< 1408133921 649698 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> putStrLn $ show Devour ++ show 42
< 1408133923 472652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <IO ()>
< 1408133927 706081 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just defined it with @let just now.
< 1408133944 997977 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ show Devour ++ show 42
< 1408133946 172717 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (showsPrec 5 42 . showsPrec 5 Devour . showsPrec 5 42) []
< 1408133946 779480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42
< 1408133947 709679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "42"
< 1408133962 332956 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1408134052 50782 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What’s its canonical name btw?
< 1408134136 24962 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1408134145 304645 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s whose canonical name?
< 1408134155 516855 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showsPrec 5 Devour
< 1408134156 751050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ShowS
< 1408134172 316400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408134173 337161 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ShowS
< 1408134173 630106 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That of Devour.
< 1408134173 766928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :type ShowS = String -> String
< 1408134179 736075 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1408134189 559057 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devour has a canonical name?
< 1408134201 829741 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Something to do with const ""?
< 1408134224 394983 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you said “Hah, i like Devour.” as though you knew it.
< 1408134237 431517 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why show Devour ++ whatever works, but shows composition fails
< 1408134244 951444 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bb010g: instance Show Devour where showsPrec _ _ _ = ""
< 1408134270 936698 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl showsPrec _ _ _ = ""
< 1408134271 347037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :showsPrec = const (const (const []))
< 1408134287 887446 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :melvar: I had not seen it before.
< 1408134329 540036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1408134354 298938 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now …
< 1408134365 485718 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("foo", Devour, "bar")
< 1408134366 987058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("foo",>°) Om nom nom
< 1408134432 390096 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :•••ᗤ
< 1408134445 148732 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1408134970 589803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data Chomp = Chomp; instance Show Chomp where showsPrec n _ s = drop n s
< 1408134971 984936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1408134985 685796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Chomp, [1..])
< 1408134987 450432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (,[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,2...
< 1408135003 219105 :Mattry!~canaima@190.142.186.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408135008 354912 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-27-44.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408135025 142472 :Mattry!~canaima@190.142.186.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1408135037 36302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido Mattry 
< 1408135037 947148 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mattry: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
< 1408135067 329299 :Mattry!~canaima@190.142.186.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gracias
< 1408135092 16904 :Mattry!~canaima@190.142.186.33 PART :#esoteric
< 1408135111 791645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i forgot to ask how they found us
< 1408135147 715933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Just Chomp, [1..])
< 1408135149 664098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Just ,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,3...
< 1408135300 90041 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (42, Zalgo, "chaos")
< 1408135300 226868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow my mind blanks on any data structures shown with intermediate precedence operator constructors
< 1408135301 638269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (42,HE COMES,̫̣̳ͤ͋͛̈̑̌̅"̳̟̱̗̐̋̔̏̆͠c̐̏̂̈̔ͨ͑ẖ̱̰̂ạͫͧ͠ͅö̴͚͇͉̤̣̠̆̒s̭̜̙̩ͨ͡"̅͗͊ͩ...
< 1408135389 531226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data Rev = Rev; instance Show Rev where showsPrec _ _ = reverse
< 1408135390 908307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1408135403 394763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (42, Rev, Zalgo, Chomp)
< 1408135404 767032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘Chomp’
< 1408135410 4447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1408135416 22403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (42, Rev, Zalgo)
< 1408135417 742960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (42,̳̣̫̅̌̑̈͛͋ͤ)SEMOC EH,
< 1408135423 332992 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, i screwed up and had to @undefine once
< 1408135460 623017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (42, Rev, Zalgo, Rev, "chaos")
< 1408135462 266074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (42,̳̣̫̅̌̑̈͛͋ͤ,̅ͥ͂͟"͇̭̞ͧͩ͊͗̅c̩̙̜̭ͨ͡h̴̠̣̤͉͇͚̒̆̈ạͧͫ͠ͅô̰̱̱s͑ͨ̔̈̂̏̐"̗̱̟̳̆̏̔̋̐͠...
< 1408135491 168740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((,) Rev) [1..10]
< 1408135493 32863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(,2),(,4),(,6),(,8),(,10)](,)9,(,)7,(,)5,(,)3,(,)1,
< 1408135503 996726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1408135510 487596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((,) Rev) "scramble"
< 1408135512 202494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(,'c'),(,'a'),(,'b'),(,'e')](,)'l',(,)'m',(,)'r',(,)'s',
< 1408135512 898820 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1408135546 812666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (flip (,) Rev) "scramble"
< 1408135548 478114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [('s',),('r',),('m',),('l',)],'e'(,),'b'(,),'a'(,),'c'(,)
< 1408135554 43605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scramble
< 1408135554 180577 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac
< 1408135641 838 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PART #esoteric :"Leaving..."
< 1408135715 163967 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scramble
< 1408135715 300970 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac
< 1408135745 707447 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Does_anyone_wonder_what_the_period_of_this_sentence_is?
< 1408135745 844374 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :De_noewne_httepro_fti_etnei?s_censsh_odie_h_awrdo_nyaso
< 1408135752 858113 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble De_noewne_httepro_fti_etnei?s_censsh_odie_h_awrdo_nyaso
< 1408135753 32069 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D_owehtpofieniscns_deharonaosy_dw__iohse_?et_t_ret_nene
< 1408135759 72596 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble D_owehtpofieniscns_deharonaosy_dw__iohse_?et_t_ret_nene
< 1408135759 240493 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doetoinsn_eaoas_w_os_e__e_eenntrtt?ehi_dyonrhdsciefphw_
< 1408135803 626672 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ012
< 1408135803 763387 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegikmoqsuwyACEGIKMOQSUWY021ZXVTRPNLJHFDBzxvtrpnljhfdb
< 1408135813 134759 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "Dtdaspen_ds_h_ohtorssofeiiynewear?etc__enoho____enetniw"
< 1408135815 559225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 55
< 1408135821 487465 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble acegikmoqsuwyACEGIKMOQSUWY021ZXVTRPNLJHFDBzxvtrpnljhfdb
< 1408135821 624729 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeimquyCGKOSW01XTPLHDzvrnjfbdhlptxBFJNRVZ2YUQMIEAwsokgc
< 1408135823 308679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we discussed the period as a function of length at one time
< 1408135848 433982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly found the sequence on OEIS
< 1408135871 793534 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble seclrbam
< 1408135871 930636 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scramble
< 1408135899 767233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble scramble
< 1408135899 940315 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seclrbam
< 1408135928 221279 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit!
< 1408135959 603435 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408135998 265458 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OEIS surely has the sequence corresponding to the highest period of any element in the group S_n.
< 1408136035 299531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but is that the same, we don't get _all_ permutations here
< 1408136097 326871 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not the same.
< 1408136109 440209 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let scramble = concat . (_last %~ reverse) . transpose . chunksOf 2
< 1408136111 318525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1408136119 288177 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scramble "seclrbam"
< 1408136121 69691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "scramble"
< 1408136151 940149 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\x xs -> x:reverse xs) "seclrbam"
< 1408136153 198503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <[Char] -> [Char]>
< 1408136157 779555 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\x xs -> x:reverse xs) [] "seclrbam"
< 1408136159 104398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "scramble"
< 1408136180 82493 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1408136223 490629 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let slength = ((\(x:xs) -> 1 + length (takeWhile (/= x) xs)) . iterate scramble)
< 1408136225 136966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1408136237 198523 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map slength [[1..n] | n <- [1..]]
< 1408136240 736828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,14,5,5,12,18,12,10,7,12,23,21,8,26,20,9,29,30...
< 1408136297 364879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10
< 1408136301 51886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a(n) = card {cos((2^k)*Pi/(2*n-1)): k in N}.[1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,1...
< 1408136309 530459 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first 1 is bogus
< 1408136320 102385 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10
< 1408136323 530461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Least number m such that 2^m == +- 1 (mod 2n + 1).[0,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,...
< 1408136351 946518 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hm, i guess not
< 1408136363 926299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list oeis
< 1408136364 252467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeis provides: oeis sequence
< 1408136378 327532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sequence 0,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10
< 1408136382 29468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Least number m such that 2^m == +- 1 (mod 2n + 1).[0,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,...
< 1408136387 8589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1408136420 297374 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,14,5,5,12,18,12,10,7,12,23,21,8,26,20,9,29,30
< 1408136422 316671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a(n) = card {cos((2^k)*Pi/(2*n-1)): k in N}.[1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,1...
< 1408136425 302306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there should be a command to get the link page
< 1408136474 195091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: that 2^m think does ring a vague bell
< 1408136493 600644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i may have once understood why that gives the same thing
< 1408136507 450480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing
< 1408136514 12447 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/A216066
< 1408136600 985598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one is https://oeis.org/A003558
< 1408136619 726671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is linked from the former with "essentially the same as"
< 1408136671 744414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40301&oldid=39669 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+7610) 10/* Syntax highlighting. */ new section
< 1408136677 627095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the old buubot plugin I made did give the link, but buubot is dead
< 1408136722 416974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1408136922 695426 :thisisausername!~djf@72.42.90.72 PART :#esoteric
< 1408137507 748690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually
< 1408137519 622031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :its descendant perlbot still has that plugin working
< 1408137549 202356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :try /msg perlbot oeis: 3,20,28
< 1408137565 916334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you want on a channel, try /msg #buubot perlbot oeis: 3,20,28
< 1408137677 742571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> catalogNums <$> lookupSequence [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4]
< 1408137679 786704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just ["A072451"]
< 1408137692 35446 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh
< 1408137732 679135 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lookupSequence [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4]
< 1408137734 860951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just (OEIS {catalogNums = ["A072451"], sequenceData = [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,8,9,6...
< 1408137757 835592 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t OEIS
< 1408137759 142256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[String] -> SequenceData -> SequenceData -> String -> [String] -> [String] -> [String] -> [String] -> String -> Int -> Int -> [(Language, String)] -> [String] -> [String] -> [Keyword] -> [String] -> OEISSequence
< 1408137781 599260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/oeis-0.3.5/docs/Math-OEIS.html#t:OEISSequence
< 1408137799 346739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lookupSequence
< 1408137800 544729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SequenceData -> Maybe OEISSequence
< 1408137807 550810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... the buubot oeis plugin doesn't provide this detail, you have to follow the web link if you need the details
< 1408137829 307716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a crazy use of unsafePerformIO ... not sure that it should be trusted.)
< 1408137871 764117 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1408137907 740761 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1408137912 537011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the buubot plugin isn't written in haskell, does that makeit less crazy?
< 1408137926 836508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you could DOS OEIS with it, perhaps?
< 1408137962 762997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not effectively, I think
< 1408137971 996490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to timeouts etc)
< 1408138045 721671 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl' getSequenceByID $ repeat "A000042"
< 1408138047 359694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe Math.OEIS.Types.SequenceData’
< 1408138047 589136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :               with ‘a -> GHC.Base.String’
< 1408138047 726197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: GHC.Base.String -> a -> GHC.Base.String
< 1408138047 726328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: GHC.Base.String
< 1408138047 726423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                -> Data.Maybe.Maybe Math.OEIS.Types.SequenceDataCouldn't matc...
< 1408138066 517291 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp
< 1408138075 293396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you could try with buubot too
< 1408138102 98495 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> getSequenceByID <$> repeat "A000042"
< 1408138106 51490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Just [1,11,111,1111,11111,111111,1111111,11111111,111111111,1111111111,1111...
< 1408138141 726455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, not very effectively, because the http queries to oeis will be serialized within one command you give to buubot 
< 1408138159 325437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try to use buubot's web interface to work around the irc rate limiting, but even then
< 1408138165 831134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not very effective
< 1408138174 858999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to ddos oeis, there are probably better ways
< 1408138181 994614 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:27:39 <bb010g> > foldl' (\x->getSequenceByID x`seq`()) $ repeat "A000042"
< 1408138182 420443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't do that even if you can
< 1408138186 533807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
< 1408138208 904596 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x->getSequenceByID x`seq`()) <$> repeat "A000042"
< 1408138213 37714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1408138295 727235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeis really doesn't deserve that kind of malice. nor does lambdabot, imho
< 1408138626 596528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like buubot/perlbot, in case you haven't noticed. I helped make its macro system, which is I think more powerful than lambdabot's
< 1408139107 331662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only it's not very well documented, except by some cryptic single-line descriptions)
< 1408139505 289143 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408139783 38179 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408139829 651952 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408139938 93565 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
< 1408140390 144990 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scramble ""
< 1408140392 68226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ""
< 1408140468 299493 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1408140610 871151 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t chunksOf
< 1408140612 971653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> [e] -> [[e]]
< 1408140715 983030 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D that oeis library
< 1408140808 74097 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scramble "CHICKEN!"
< 1408140810 281529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "CIKN!ECH"
< 1408140819 656588 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scramble "CIKN!ECH"
< 1408140821 359040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "CK!CHENI"
< 1408140829 115269 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scramble "CK!CHENI"
< 1408140830 619323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "C!HNIECK"
< 1408140837 174163 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it ever rechicken?
< 1408140887 594530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map scramble (repeat "CHICKEN!")
< 1408140889 447011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH...
< 1408140900 346232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map scramble (repeat "CHICKEN!")
< 1408140903 547924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH","CIKN!ECH...
< 1408140911 476745 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate scramble "CHICKEN!"
< 1408140913 329292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["CHICKEN!","CIKN!ECH","CK!CHENI","C!HNIECK","CHICKEN!","CIKN!ECH","CK!CHENI...
< 1408140970 314261 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was one scrambled chicken away from the unomeletted form.
< 1408141173 749423 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408142625 518735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "unchecked permit" == sort "permuted chicken"
< 1408142627 36358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1408142697 230988 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoooah... deep.
< 1408143067 2492 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408143253 610137 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408143369 559509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are scrabble players good at finding anagrams? (I employ the help of computers for finding them)
< 1408143491 627048 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably so.
< 1408143497 94696 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, images.google.ca is dead :(
< 1408143675 579794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you can be good at playing at Scrabble if you can find anagrams, especially if it is Anagram Scrabble.
< 1408143702 830777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: bon quit
< 1408143757 527078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, for Scrabble you just have to memorize the crazy wordlist, especially of the short words and the words with high scoring letters
< 1408143779 289751 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to keep up the list as they rewise the scrabble dictionary
< 1408143808 931422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe they did that only once, but that time they added "QI" which like changes the whole game
< 1408143944 247934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Scrabble_Players_Dictionary says the current English dictionary is the fourth edition, but a fifth edition is planned
< 1408144080 834145 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1408144281 252462 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408144757 121665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually just knowing all of the words isn't good enough for Scrabble; it is part of it but there is other strategy involved too.
< 1408144913 932170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's some more
< 1408144972 18356 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a move made only because you want to hear your opponent exclaim “oh fungot” is perfectly valid.
< 1408144972 417523 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: only in an extremely indirect way you can have more than one
< 1408145008 201387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's so true
< 1408145008 513398 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: argl... do i *have* to eat the donuts, everyone!
< 1408145020 903052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so what do you think really happened to her? 
< 1408145021 40371 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a programming language of the future
< 1408145039 637827 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: which her? remember, fungot has two girlfriends.
< 1408145039 873429 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: maybe rtfm actually stands for rich text format.
< 1408145040 25605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: uh... but how?
< 1408145040 162789 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there was fnord in front of
< 1408145050 256265 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1408145393 681412 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the weather down South?
< 1408145474 784115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? Now I wrote many thing of Super ASCII MZX Town and level20.tex story into the "All The Tropes". See if you like them, or want to complain about them, add more stuff if you have more idea to add, found mistakes and you can fix it, etc? We can make multiple views rather than only my own biased kind of opinions of it.
< 1408145495 637079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warm
< 1408145735 419554 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss warm. I was near LEZL last week.
< 1408145748 207518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1408145770 432740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :family?
< 1408145854 111261 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on vacation with my parents :D
< 1408145948 469686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're more than welcome to vacation again down here. it should be warm for at least another month, and I'll point you to the vacationy places.
< 1408145994 622142 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by warm i mean "at least 26")
< 1408146046 201913 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough for me. it's been raining here since I got back, we've had day with 16 °C max... uuuurgh.
< 1408146239 684589 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine you're stuck there though, what with work and Responsible Adult Living
< 1408146348 173601 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuck: check. Adult: check. Living: uhm... I'll go with check, just to be on the safe side.
< 1408146650 536025 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you are silent on the subject of Responsible
< 1408146734 32935 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :♪ LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA ♪
< 1408146767 904827 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, I am responsible. it's just a drag.
< 1408146991 609305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you were in saville, spain?
< 1408147018 825430 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408147054 708645 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I wrote a chunksOf : (n : Nat) -> List a -> (List (Vect (S n) a), BoundedList n a)
< 1408147173 745867 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408147196 428930 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am most amused by the video on wikipedia of an antlion throwing sand at an ant to prevent it escaping its trap. insects are pretty cool.
< 1408147227 118210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also somewhat terrifying
< 1408147259 141704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever so slightly
< 1408147260 653956 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yep :D sevilla, jerez, cádiz, gibraltar, marbella.
< 1408147340 611442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: cool, fun?
< 1408147476 189411 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was! lots of sun, old architecture, tapas...
< 1408147789 109847 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408147800 875539 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408147862 209204 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to achieve sleep. 'night all!
< 1408147872 49724 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, where is Taneb?)
< 1408147880 628003 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: COMBINATORIAL CHICKEN
< 1408148255 328849 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408149143 925766 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408149156 92499 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408149238 439792 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408149590 587137 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408151534 716730 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> length $ takeWhile (!= s) $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!"
< 1408151536 241663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘!=’
< 1408151536 378627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1408151536 378758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ‘!’ (imported from Data.Array), ‘M.!’ (imported from Data.Map),
< 1408151536 378882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ‘IM.!’ (imported from Data.IntMap)Not in scope: ‘scramble’
< 1408151593 733969 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> length $ takeWhile (/= s) $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!"
< 1408151595 123846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘scramble’
< 1408151631 593774 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let scramble = concat . (_last %~ reverse) . transpose . chunksOf 2
< 1408151633 108125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1408151645 5109 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> length $ takeWhile (/= s) $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!"
< 1408151646 562888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1408151660 508292 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13:27 <bb010g> > (\s -> length $ takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!"
< 1408151806 530089 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> length $ takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!"
< 1408151808 279155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1408151932 930250 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "potato"
< 1408151934 363947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5
< 1408151941 660813 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "arbitrary phrase"
< 1408151943 254581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5
< 1408151959 392828 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "abc"
< 1408151961 69211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1408151965 33861 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "bcd"
< 1408151966 594954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1408152001 348215 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) $ take 8 [1..]
< 1408152004 115504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1408152025 715887 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :length "CHICKEN!"
< 1408152031 497957 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "CHICKEN!"
< 1408152033 51023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1408152097 622013 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) (take <$> length <*> id $ "CHICKEN!")
< 1408152099 105872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1408152110 867886 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) (take <$> length <*> const [1..] $ "CHICKEN!")
< 1408152112 673796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1408152149 7551 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) . flip take [1..]) <$> [1..]
< 1408152152 294360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,14,5,5,12,18,12,10,7,12,23,21,8,26,20,9,29,30...
< 1408152202 213167 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. We got that earlier. :(
< 1408153798 947144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to complain about Haskell on Reddit.
< 1408153810 490706 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by Haskell, I mean one common example of a GHC language extension)
< 1408155818 132517 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which extension?
< 1408155970 947498 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeriveGenerics
< 1408155983 191429 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess the Generics mechanism is closer to the actual issue
< 1408155988 770916 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess that's not an extension?
< 1408156003 69509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2douzn/problem_with_popular_ghcgenerics_example/
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< 1408195241 200238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1408195259 89385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my windows partition now boots into system restore, which faffs around for a while and then says nothing can be done
< 1408195488 372476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1408195617 494652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an analogy of my life
< 1408195617 942696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpfully it also provides no meaningful diagnostic information
< 1408195669 786963 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent this morning trying to fix broken graphics drivers in Debian only to discover that there's no fglrx-driver for jessie. 
< 1408195688 239887 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid kernel updates.
< 1408196082 725304 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need fglrx for?
< 1408197424 592093 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :opengl on my card is broken since the last kernel update. hell I don't even get proper framebuffer mode in the console. X still works, but Steam complains even starting and none of my games work because OpenGL is broken.
< 1408197567 327658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to intel hell
< 1408197568 620448 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.

< 1408197623 261205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i had a laptop with an intel chip there was some random driver update which made it crash if i ever used anything that tried to use shaders
< 1408197630 658201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they worked fine before that, even!
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< 1408198748 574033 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's a Radeon, actually, but that is still sort of the problem.
< 1408198768 747159 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD cut support for anything prior to the 5xxx series, and I have a 4890.
< 1408198769 836711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to anything-but-nvidia hell
< 1408198801 230044 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I was an ATI loyalist for nearly a decade, but AMD has more or less murdered that with this card.
< 1408198988 546869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I switch from X to a non-X virtual console, my machine beeps and irrevocably futzes up the display. Welcome to nvidia hell.
< 1408198991 533792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly they say it doesn't play nice with framebuffer devices, but I haven't managed to disable the UEFI one in any way.
< 1408199811 739442 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Radeon HD 4650, and it’s been running fine with the radeon driver ever since AMD stopped updating fglrx for it.
< 1408199977 194650 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except a few days ago, when trying to get a game running in wine got the card to lock up, panicking the kernel. But between the support cut and a few days ago, I had no discernably graphics card related problems.
< 1408199978 346980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: )
< 1408200007 286126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: how long ago was the support cut? :p
< 1408200376 184044 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: IF was on debian stable, it would've been fine, but there was a kernel update to testing, two actually in as many days, and ATI support broke with it. So unless someone patches it ...
< 1408200477 550091 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I’m having a hard time finding it, but a few years certainly.
< 1408200496 595175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: it would be funnier if the support cut, e.g. two months ago.
< 1408200503 605708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it worked for weeks"
< 1408200510 376786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was how I originally read it and I'm not sure why.
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< 1408225541 324052 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck me, virgin media have managed to ban all the torrentz proxies i can find
< 1408225551 868638 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks
< 1408225564 440743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en#downloads
< 1408225595 259276 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor seems p. heavy-duty...
< 1408225616 616367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you click it, you open it, it's firefox, you use torrentz, job done?
< 1408225644 568409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no reason to go around looking for website-specific proxies when tor does it better and just as easily
< 1408225671 984645 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's changed a lot from when i last used it
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< 1408225911 580984 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use bittorrent through tor?
< 1408225915 607530 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how tor works, i think
< 1408225926 256645 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, but you shouldn't.
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< 1408225932 908818 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1408225955 227941 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tor lets you essentially tunnel TCP streams through it.
< 1408225977 396044 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using BitTorrent on it is just rude, because it really strains the network.
< 1408225991 29135 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not planning on that obv.
< 1408226014 676329 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. For that sort of thing you should just get some sort of VPN provider.
< 1408226041 487382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's not just rude
< 1408226043 245747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not anonymous
< 1408226052 659625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea
< 1408226068 545650 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, haah.
< 1408226080 757061 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes perfect sense that it's doing that, but yeah.
< 1408226090 692253 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's rude *and* defeats the point.
< 1408226092 622896 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun stuff.
< 1408226138 983547 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *right*, tracker communication is usually UDP.
< 1408226150 605078 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uTP is tunneled over UDP as well.
< 1408226155 940846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's understandable that the tor browser bundle defaults to scripts being on these days but it still makes me :/
< 1408226175 364119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they've gone to some length to minimise the fingerprinting you can do with it
< 1408226188 754410 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gotten a lot faster in the last few years, i see
< 1408226240 508756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you should stick to https:// versions of sites (torrentz does it) on tor if at all possible, since exit relays can do whatever they want with your traffic
< 1408226254 413485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not a big deal for torrenting though
< 1408226267 504717 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combination of the network getting much faster and the Tor browser bundle doing some stuff to make HTTP work better over a high-latency link.
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< 1408226286 418198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but entering passwords unencrypted over Tor is sort of a bad idea. (admittedly, that applies to the internet at large, but Tor makes it easier to be the man in the middle)
< 1408226302 898446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: huh, what special stuff does it do? that sounds interesting
< 1408226341 595866 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short, uses Polipo as a proxy. Main notable thing that Polipo does is HTTP pipelining.
< 1408226352 918520 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which believe it or not *browsers still don't do*.
< 1408226373 120648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember hearing a good reason for that, but I forget what it was
< 1408226389 663241 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misbehaving servers screw it up.
< 1408226422 744511 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why Polipo actually keeps data on whether or not a given server behaves. :)
< 1408226447 356160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to live in a world where the Tor network was low-latency and high-capacity enough to run all traffic over it, and it supported UDP
< 1408226462 819087 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other reason for using Polipo is that Polipo can just tunnel over SOCKS, which makes using Tor for HTTP stuff *really easy*.
< 1408226476 909109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tor is already a SOCKS proxy
< 1408226485 4158 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but Polipo is an HTTP proxy.
< 1408226502 577255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, um, I guess I don't know what you mean by the line I replied to
< 1408226515 400707 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can talk SOCKS instead of dialing out via normal TCP.
< 1408226545 533095 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. you can do browser -> polipo -> tor.
< 1408226549 125573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see.
< 1408226572 349162 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *that* helpful for Firefox, but there's a lot of stuff that doesn't speak SOCKS but does speak HTTP proxy.
< 1408226604 669164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take back my previous statement. it'd be nice to live in the world where the global network was anonymous, encrypted and authenticated by design.
< 1408226611 432672 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed.
< 1408226663 845957 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of incredibly stupid and pointless lacks-of-security in networking...
< 1408226676 61866 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*CA*cough*
< 1408226699 648611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally IP addresses would just be randomly-generated public keys, I think.
< 1408226733 932061 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If designing from the ground up? Probably.
< 1408226754 658211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. how else are you going to get a network that's anonymous, encrypted and authenticated by design?
< 1408226765 802001 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1408226810 607042 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity security's hard.
< 1408226889 489633 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, magnets are just hashes of their files, right?
< 1408226899 697171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: plus a list of trackers, often
< 1408226907 451231 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnet URIs for BitTorrent? Basically, yeah.
< 1408226929 485826 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly more complicated than that, but it amounts to just a hash of the contents.
< 1408226931 803652 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know collisions are very unlikely under normal circumstances, but could you not construct two files with the same hash and use that to nefarious ends?
< 1408226940 633173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: my ecommendation for getting torrents you found on torrentz is to use https://torcache.net/torrent/<torrent hash from the torrentz url>.torrent
< 1408226944 898914 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes you could.
< 1408226950 587098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can construct two files with the same hash, you can break a lot more than bittorrent
< 1408226964 472143 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the hash is, of course, really dang hard to break.
< 1408226973 915548 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially because the BT info hash is a hash of hashes...
< 1408226981 922166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I sometimes worry the security-is-impossible fearmongering makes us all give up on security.
< 1408226992 292025 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well MD5 collisions are within the range of normal people now, aren't they?
< 1408226994 20414 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Quite likely.
< 1408227006 979093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, bittorrent still uses md5?
< 1408227009 74414 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Mostly length extension attacks.
< 1408227013 650765 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never did.
< 1408227016 22530 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but my point is
< 1408227018 97673 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BT uses SHA-1.
< 1408227028 146195 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hashes once thought secure have a tendency to not be
< 1408227030 413147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well, the idea is to move off a hash before there are practical breaks of it
< 1408227031 178547 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know random hash collisions are almost impossible, and that engineering a hash collision for a predetermined file is just as impossible, but not what the situation was with two files you both picked
< 1408227039 98483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: protocols should plan ahead for changing the hash they use
< 1408227054 233730 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perversely BitTorrent totally has not.
< 1408227080 580102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: if we know x, y s.t. hash(x) = hash(y) no matter how we derived x and y then that hash function is well beyond dead and buried, basically
< 1408227100 605848 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I sometimes use MD5 when I want a hash that doesn't have random collisions, and don't care about it being a cryptohash
< 1408227105 338108 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1408227116 247527 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: For that I'd actually recommend using CRC32.
< 1408227117 52713 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the most likely to be in language stdlibs
< 1408227124 337003 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least then you don't pretend it has security.
< 1408227145 684687 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's got like a 1 in 60000 chance of random collisions because of the birthday paradox
< 1408227150 253862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: finding x, y s.t. H(x) = H(y) is finding a collision; finding x s.t. H(x) = h for some known h is a preimage attack; finding y =/= x s.t. H(y) = H(x) for known x is a second-preimage attack
< 1408227177 865538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :collisions are easier than preimage attacks. preimage attacks are what you need to break passwords, say
< 1408227181 416705 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Well. True. *shrug*
< 1408227194 885336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but being able to do any of them in practice means we should have moved off that hash years ago
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< 1408227241 434794 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the current belief is that if a hash turns out to be even one bit less secure that people thought it was, it's likely going to be broken at some point and you should move on
< 1408227281 181523 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better paranoid than hacked.
< 1408227282 65870 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why people are dubious about SHA-1, there are no practical or even impractical attacks generally known, but IIRC there is a way to brute-force it slightly faster than the theoretical maximum
< 1408227293 476376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://valerieaurora.org/monkey.html has some nice tables that may be outdated by now
< 1408227305 193750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is definitely outdated; only goes to 2009
< 1408227320 870726 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I agree with that practice, basically if your hash isn't as strong as you thought it was, it means you don't understand it properly
< 1408227327 297326 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone else might understand it better than you
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< 1408260955 933680 :scarf!~ais523@147.188.254.149 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1408261267 313091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408261311 200916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu is down?
< 1408261324 606158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1408261325 253299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1408261355 975306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the website
< 1408261498 719170 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408268726 234560 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408270581 345119 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1408271427 911721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408272424 324470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1408272464 858717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho
< 1408272484 632906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu
< 1408272494 701642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1408272524 638940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1408272614 732024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hꙮ
< 1408272633 868750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hö
< 1408272649 239935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hæ
< 1408272654 148468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hå
< 1408272678 114874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hı
< 1408272688 372514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hy (Also what the crap was ꙮ?)
< 1408272701 202713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prose
< 1408272701 940024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1138) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1408272712 430446 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1408272743 90144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've been away too long, Vorpal.  also, you must be the wrong swede.
< 1408272762 621483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah I guess so. I don't what that thing is supposed to be, it is just a blur on my screen
< 1408272788 675581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ
< 1408272789 468258 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O]
< 1408272800 108985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice tool
< 1408272840 467219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a pain to write
< 1408272870 124113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy and paste is your friend
< 1408272903 936164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I mean with a pen
< 1408272915 928914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, presumably it originated in a non-digital age
< 1408272925 525859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a calligraphic one, blessed by the patriarch hth
< 1408272933 338571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408273016 179016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's original use was solely for a single spot in some manuscripts of the cyrillic bible
< 1408273020 568802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-'
< 1408273032 828492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1408273061 998847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the o in the word meaning "many-eyed")
< 1408273069 616422 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1408273246 217115 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-148-1.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408273291 279572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, if you're a medieval monk, you can get your doodles copied and eventually embedded in unicode.
< 1408273303 6002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1408273397 720595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway I don't rhyme (thyme), so that Swede wouldn't be me, see?
< 1408273410 733241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :See when I try to rhyme it ends up being terrible
< 1408273437 983514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1408273469 842130 :nooodl!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408273614 788099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I should setup a znc on my VPS so I can be here more. By being here I mean idle of course
< 1408273619 195597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of being disconnected
< 1408273827 236225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1408273849 732523 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408276517 523665 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning! anybody alive today?
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< 1408276704 689761 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408282794 271428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: brains...
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< 1408283166 106679 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: brains?
< 1408283197 571888 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, I need to disappear. will probably be back tomorrow.)
< 1408283209 807254 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: JUNIPER CHICKEN
< 1408283279 418905 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1408285281 663262 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
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< 1408285729 942763 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408288093 738246 :Sorella!~quildreen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408288774 932955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1408289400 382268 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1408291689 587015 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408298286 273353 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408299146 61561 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/RubyFunge look it's RubyFunge :P
< 1408299160 924722 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new Befunge-98 interpreter
< 1408299935 608117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some idea about how to use sizeof in a C code with zero length arrays and zero length data structures. It would involve the compiler to use a kind of lazy evaluation when multiplying and dividing by zero.
< 1408299966 144889 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1408300021 178306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, are there any programming languages that will use lazy evaluation if you try to divide by zero?
< 1408300298 146606 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
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< 1408300877 542455 :Sorella!~quildreen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408303454 778709 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PART :#esoteric
< 1408303990 402438 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1408303999 410075 :nooodl!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 NICK :mauris
< 1408306819 818912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone say wikileaks
< 1408306928 542619 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just did
< 1408306936 328798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who isn't me :p
< 1408306974 331545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you know about julian assange?
< 1408306974 993847 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is there any other major dialects of lisp. so, there is no case in your macro language inside scheme code) on how to graphically visualize this list of defaults: http://www196.pair.com/ lisovsky/ scheme/ io.txt
< 1408307059 924637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google collateral murder
< 1408307060 829090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
< 1408307062 134891 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh heh.
< 1408307086 184478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now all we need a bot to display the title of that page
< 1408307094 887369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (k)(i)(w)SSS(i)S(s)(ak)(e)(l)SSSS
< 1408307095 24353 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikileaks
< 1408307235 279782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess that script isn't actually loaded even though it's in ~/.irssi/scripts.
< 1408307241 415503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should load it.
< 1408307690 107230 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swears at emacs some more

< 1408307699 433523 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can put scripts in ~/.irssi/autorun
< 1408307793 276544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: this script may not be the best thing to put in autorun.
< 1408307815 805822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know what it does :P
< 1408307821 107613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google wiki of leaks
< 1408307821 988008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wikileaks.org/
< 1408307827 644442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hm.
< 1408307854 362503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's broken.
< 1408307879 282936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone wants to have fun, set their username and nick to include wikileaks, and then join, and say something with wikileaks in it.
< 1408307886 895273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fun" is hereby defined as being automatically kickbanned.
< 1408307925 405681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it was meant to match on any one of those.
< 1408307995 940173 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: quick, what's the key combination to undo C-x n n  ? ;-)
< 1408308010 146437 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fuckin' clue. i'm still a noob. :D
< 1408308048 423008 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just tinkering with eww and 24.4 at the moment. 
< 1408308060 34616 :mauris!~nooodl@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408308220 30496 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, trying to fix doc-view-mode after setting up 24.4. I think I have a version mismatch in my dlls inherited from 24.3
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< 1408309105 942747 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah! I am victorious. Mostly. I now have emacs 24.4 with working eww and PDF viewing. 
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< 1408312273 879961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu logs still down
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< 1408313814 149184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lambda14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40302&oldid=37874 5* 0371.34.6.155 5* (+56) 10Replaced dead link with Internet Archive version
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< 1408314180 11672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lambda14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40303&oldid=40302 5* 0371.34.6.155 5* (-44) 10Didn't know about the wayback template
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< 1408316912 164953 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what happened to warrant such measures?
< 1408316989 322150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: someone spamming
< 1408317096 952595 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most auto-spamming that i've ever seen would be easily prevented in a +m channel that gives users voice after they've been in the channel for 30 seconds.
< 1408317123 300847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't auto.
< 1408317124 948642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was manual.
< 1408317169 676481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. in that case, i know of no way except banning and banning and banning
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< 1408317282 201708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a channel that had a regular spammer who would just come in the channel and constantly repeat the topic and minor variations on it. This behavior stopped when we changed the topic to "I am a horrible uncreative spammer." and left it like that. Last time they came in, said something like "fuck you guys" and left.
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< 1408320148 768635 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep
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< 1408321323 383077 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9453
< 1408321327 314144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee
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< 1408330542 584895 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did ASP.NET and Netscape Navigator live concurrently?
< 1408330564 60235 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a website with an FAQ talking about Netscape Navigator, but written in ASP.NET
< 1408331748 68860 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.sss.gov/RegVer/wfContentRegistrationFAQs.aspx
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< 1408334676 260273 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad seems to assume I was automatically registered, because this is the computer age, and 'Uncle Sam knows all!'
< 1408334687 397223 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. That was meant for a different channel.
< 1408334722 938661 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is meant for here. Especially that which isn't.
< 1408334772 985061 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the FAQ could have just been imported automatically somehow
< 1408334794 855671 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i hope you ain't talkin bout SSS
< 1408334797 446128 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's scarier. Technical FAQ for a site unrelated to the FAQ
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< 1408334852 443856 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but anyway Netscape made Mozilla and later Firefox based releases thru 2007
< 1408334863 192863 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASP.NET released january 2002
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< 1408335350 974490 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does this PDF exist? http://www.sss.gov/SSSYOU/sss&you.pdf
< 1408335495 55101 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck sgeo, haven't you already graduated college?
< 1408335783 683494 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408336544 887973 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most notable feature of those Netscape releases was that it had AIM built in too.
< 1408336550 23220 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why but it totally did.
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< 1408344370 713633 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can register until you turn 25.  in later life government jobs and such may autoreject you if you never registered, but not care if you registered late.  so registering soon before their 25th birthday is a thing people do.
< 1408344402 824992 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but i thought you needed SSS to get federal loans for school, see
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< 1408349254 388040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40304&oldid=40297 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+40) 10Normal implementations: Found a few zombie links
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< 1408353082 660629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff today's tunes logs aren't recognized as text again :(
< 1408353100 694593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and codu logs are still down)
< 1408353139 928086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well time to pipe through wget
< 1408353173 20325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just not read the logs for a few days
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< 1408353258 487205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i wouldn't know what was happening :(
< 1408353310 148401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's just today.  it seems to happen whenever HackEgo makes a wiki announcement near the beginning of the logs; the ^Cs confuse IE to think it's not text
< 1408353364 665286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for yesterday's logs, it recognizes that it's text, but not that it's utf-8
< 1408353656 424569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is an IE thing, not a server-side content-type thing?
< 1408353834 458700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's presumably a combination
< 1408353856 398772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the server does nothing and IE tries to guess
< 1408353951 360274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe the server sends text/plain and IE tries to be too clever
< 1408354081 69775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-maybe
< 1408354093 979116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION found the right option to show the headers with wget

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< 1408355416 537969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah putting http://tunes.org in restricted zone disables it
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< 1408357230 710989 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what wisdom have you to share?
< 1408357240 450485 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot?
< 1408357244 625769 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGOT!?
< 1408357249 321310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ?
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< 1408357261 398173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brave sir fungot ran away
< 1408357328 937901 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. hellørjan.
< 1408357385 839008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boillo
< 1408357470 884111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternoily
< 1408357521 539058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have mail addressed to a person which was accidentally delivered to me
< 1408357532 48137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the best strategies on getting it to that person
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< 1408357987 872058 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: regular mail, or internal or something exotic?
< 1408358006 1988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular mail
< 1408358010 888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: try to meet the postman when he comes to your house, and give the mail to him or her telling it's misdelivered
< 1408358034 27968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mail was delivered some months ago to a mailbox some hundreds of miles away
< 1408358043 716776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more hundreds of miles than months)
< 1408358173 570215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a game: if your operation is "translate from language X to Y, then transliterate from Y to X", how long of a chain can you make of this operation?
< 1408358217 916465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a chain of 3 from short words or something. chain of 2 is easy of course
< 1408358247 319152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I think you can make an infinite chain from a simple fixed point
< 1408358256 576271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count?
< 1408358292 304973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess fixed points make it too easy
< 1408358309 986867 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: XBox 360 support sucks
< 1408358313 133452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you count only the number of unique edges?
< 1408358329 556851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you can say that
< 1408358351 780203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let me think what was the length 3 chain
< 1408358983 906895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could get choose(n,2) edges from a set of n synonms that work in two related languages
< 1408358990 159600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1408358997 385743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*(n-1) edges actually
< 1408359015 729546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say you want a subjectively nice chain
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< 1408359386 639942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the transliteration is trivial if they share an alphabet
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< 1408360253 300920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i'd allow you to change the spelling in some cases
< 1408360266 703962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also pick the optimal reasonable translation to make the chain work
< 1408360273 308695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1408361779 856731 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm solving Project Euler in Befunge :P
< 1408361789 201642 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 that is
< 1408361817 52309 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've now solved problems 1, 2 and 6 in Befunge
< 1408361899 376129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: nice
< 1408361918 473559 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could solve 5 too
< 1408361921 685312 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
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< 1408365158 787193 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO I AM BACK
< 1408365174 490212 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: o rly
< 1408365174 718032 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but don't force applications to be written to at some point add " if already defined, override the old one
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< 1408365522 721324 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay fungot is back
< 1408365522 915919 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: i need to convince to get one, but i am
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< 1408372130 877630 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I am registered for the selective service
< 1408372513 475675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you registered when you were 18...?
< 1408372525 757276 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few months late, but yes.
< 1408372539 890212 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of forgot I did it. And my dad's response when I asked yesterday was not reassuring
< 1408372576 520817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is being eligible for conscription reassuring
< 1408372611 111469 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eligable for an unlikely conscription that I'm required by law to register for
< 1408372632 764356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay in school and don't do drugs
< 1408372778 536719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I do tend to be a rules follower, with some exceptions
< 1408373072 171735 :Zuu_!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk NICK :Zuu
< 1408373079 910951 :Zuu!~zuu@0x5e911bd1.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Changing host
< 1408373080 48400 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408373257 790033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who think following the law is moral scary
< 1408373263 373493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are scary
< 1408373563 775813 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACKWARD MESSAGE BACKWARD MESSAGE BACKWARD MESSAGE
< 1408373573 209801 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat
< 1408373598 370500 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be an esolang called BACKWARD MESSAGE BACKWARD MESSAGE BACKWARD MESSAGE now
< 1408373599 111823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey there's actually a relevent hit when I google that
< 1408373612 123883 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be like Text
< 1408373615 174009 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but backward
< 1408373658 120692 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh in 5 min need to take really bad tasting medicine
< 1408374005 639091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you have permission for that?
< 1408374005 925801 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you don't mind kicking the original oklopol off and speak swedish too. that's what i'm trying to figure out how
< 1408374015 619276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, true
< 1408374029 522976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fungot, next time, ask for permission in advance
< 1408374029 836964 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: prolog or another logic language, obviously you'll need to write a program that can traverse the network and files and parsers. this is an infinite loop, it's obvious
< 1408374039 839233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1408374328 94968 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION survived

< 1408374605 371054 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :grats
< 1408374645 233256 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :survived what?
< 1408374649 177703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the medicine?
< 1408374693 82325 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1408375419 912425 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408376018 323093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egassem Drawkcab is probably someone's name.
< 1408376781 291225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1408376920 865324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love google. 1st page "About 1,360 results", second page "Page 2 of about 1,360 results", 3rd page "Page 3 of about 1,360 results", 4th page "Page 4 of 39 results"
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< 1408377339 989436 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1408377674 485726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I wonder how they actually estimate those result counts.
< 1408377698 365919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, presumably they're not entirely random, but also presumably they devote sufficiently little of their tiny time budget to it that they must be doing something incredibly rough.
< 1408377710 617289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they seem to consistently overestimate, which I guess is the right thing to do if you want to look impressive.
< 1408377794 671164 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-67-37.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1408378364 559362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, first they compute the counts before the elimination of duplicates ("similar results"); with those included, for the same query, I get "Page 46 of 456 results" on the last page, and a factor of 3 is far more reasonable than a factor of 40.
< 1408378419 63717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wow, I didn't know they counted so many things as duplicates
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< 1408379455 201831 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro
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< 1408382815 155856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140818-calc.jpg   we had a calculator almost exactly like this at my (late) grandmother's.
< 1408382847 488592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That one's from a shop window in Rauma.)
< 1408382902 579863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow a crank generally makes things better.
< 1408382944 460287 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1408383123 741090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can shift the lower portion to do decimal positional multiplication, at the cost of (at most) 9*K crankings, where K is the length of the shorter multiplicand.
< 1408383176 971958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And IIRC the bottom-left part counts the number of crankings so that you don't lose track.)
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< 1408384959 789941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I tried one of those calculators once. they're really nice.
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< 1408392146 275921 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does statically typed Python excite me but statically typed Racket scare me? I may be insane
< 1408392189 498264 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever spent a few hours methodically writing insults on paper, and then ripping them up and arranging them into statuettes
< 1408392231 687176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1408392243 592896 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to hear
< 1408392253 793444 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-21-232.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408392313 329266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nooodl I didn't think that $__ was legal in Perl, you'd have to write it ${'__'}
< 1408392313 752355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408392333 99053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $__ = 4; print "$__\n"
< 1408392335 392779 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1408392345 31566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nooodl well according to EgoBot, I'm wrong
< 1408392345 596919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408392370 849727 :mauris!~mauris@d8D8661CB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i didn't actually know for sure but apparently it's legal!
< 1408392384 682785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because _ isn't technically a punctuation mark
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< 1408392630 651558 :d45611!~d45611@unaffiliated/d45611 QUIT :Quit: Goodbye....
< 1408392696 927264 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Perl scares me :/
< 1408392707 285998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet APL intrigues me
< 1408392711 764624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with that
< 1408392976 52001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a machine in a museum.
< 1408392988 217095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wrote stuff on pieces of paper, and then fed it to the machine.
< 1408393000 340166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it did an overly elaborate shredder act.
< 1408393014 480634 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do some J
< 1408393029 748414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea was that you wrote negative things on the paper, and hence got rid of them.
< 1408393112 316815 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I kind of want the crazy character set
< 1408393152 530789 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1408393177 600081 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know where I can buy an APL or blank keyboard?
< 1408393185 140738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For like cheap
< 1408393204 475894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is beautifully incomprehensible, Perl is uglily incomprehensible
< 1408393251 188936 :mauris!~mauris@d8D8661CB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: stickers!
< 1408393369 964793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I never understood what the fuss about blank keyboards was. I don't look at the keyboard, so why would it be a problem if it has irrelevant keycaps written on it?
< 1408393385 2816 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :style
< 1408393400 778795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, learning more than anything
< 1408393403 989310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I am forgetful
< 1408393476 443281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: could you use some sort of opaque silk scarf veil covering the whole keyboard and you slide your hands under it?
< 1408393483 598189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I've never tried that, it might not work
< 1408393533 913230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think proper touch typing courses have some sort of screen that goes over the keyboard
< 1408393538 749725 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408393572 929801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: right, that's what I said, but I'm not sure how realistically possible that is
< 1408393591 90583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, without making typing or seeing the screen too inconvenient
< 1408393624 817575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you an anecdote
< 1408393657 970259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the issue is that I don't know the keyboard layout, so either I do a touch-typing thing before I even begin to learn the language, or I look at the keyboard
< 1408393667 333103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point I almost bought a used mobile phone with russian letters on the keypad. my father didn't understand why I'd use such a thing. I didn't understand why not: it's not like I look at the letters when typing on the keypad anyway.
< 1408393680 89222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using that phone, but that's for reasons other than the keypad.
< 1408393701 148887 :mauris!~mauris@d8D8661CB.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408393703 112127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: use a chart either on a paper on the wall, or on screen
< 1408393711 482579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a possibility
< 1408393715 73864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :either of those are easier to change than the keycaps anyway
< 1408393726 603535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the keycaps aren't impossible to change either, just much harder)
< 1408393738 346731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used a paper chart once when learning dvorak
< 1408393745 770842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't use dvorak. it turns out it's a bad layout.)
< 1408393813 501109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: an on-screen or paper legend can also show more modal or shifted meanings for the keys than would fit on the keyboard itself,
< 1408393826 16753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1408393826 154034 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1408393834 168123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can see a paper or on-screen chart without having to move your hands off the normal position on the keyboard
< 1408393851 71541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be useful if you want to learn proper touch-typing
< 1408393874 70800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you can move your hands the way you should touch-type, only possibly slowe
< 1408393876 966073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1408393884 81666 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 NICK :mauris
< 1408393905 786332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point
< 1408393959 248945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think the blank keyboards are just a show-off, the blank labels are for people other than the one typing on the keyboard
< 1408394085 868765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now of course keycaps can be important on public terminals that untrained people want to use, but those terminals rarely have good keyboards because good keyboards are easy to vandalize. they have touchscreen or sturdy metal buttons
< 1408394089 881479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a blank keyboard and never write on the keys
< 1408394105 837352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a set of blank dice which I occasionally roll for amusement value in situations where a genuine dice roll is needed
< 1408394119 531361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Taneb started by asking where to buy blank keyboards
< 1408394124 252532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe, blank dice
< 1408394127 734072 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1408394152 460116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a blank keyboard would probably work better than my current work keyboard
< 1408394159 572702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is set to UK layout but has AZERTY key caps
< 1408394177 614918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm asking again, why do the keycaps matter?
< 1408394194 268305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that work better than a UK layout one set to US layout?
< 1408394195 905719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know why the layout matters, eg. 101 keys vs 102 keys, crazy arrow keys, etc
< 1408394207 116659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because it seems I subconciously look at the difference between punctuation and letters to position my hands
< 1408394216 764564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I keep hitting m when I mean , etc.
< 1408394230 304250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, on the UK set to US layout I have a huge pain finding the punctuation
< 1408394237 34378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh I just realized that I no longer have this problem, I bought a new keyboard two months ago)
< 1408394242 462510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use the knobs on f and j to orient your hands
< 1408394248 559061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I move my hands too much
< 1408394251 977164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that sometimes happens to me and confuses me for round parenthesis specifically, but I should just try not to look. 
< 1408394255 804656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :home row is too slow
< 1408394256 539411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so now it's US/US)
< 1408394257 837018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to drum on them when idling
< 1408394275 461860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, often my right hand's on hjkl
< 1408394282 870096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. NetHack, although vi invented it
< 1408394288 780988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I never put my hands on hjkl
< 1408394299 708903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put my hands on jkl; and type hjkl in nethack that way
< 1408394301 266359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Just buy the Optimus. (Are they still even selling that?)
< 1408394305 135539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use vi, mind you
< 1408394305 511082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdw is so much nicer :P
< 1408394311 918576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: NO!
< 1408394313 626021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wow, you're missing half the adnnatage of vikeys there
< 1408394314 620611 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi inherited that from some more ancient place
< 1408394317 967776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1408394337 956858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? because yb are harder to type this way?
< 1408394342 273313 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the only reason why I can even use vim for small edits is that it understands cursor keys.
< 1408394350 685773 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow which azerty
< 1408394360 370602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: also you have h and j on the same finger, that slows you down
< 1408394365 368737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I assume French
< 1408394378 757209 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think that matters
< 1408394381 856490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, though, I'm not an expert on azerty
< 1408394383 349402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reaching yb might matter
< 1408394386 347380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CERN keyboards were azerty.
< 1408394390 603933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yb is hard
< 1408394391 627207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meant a lot of misplaced q's.
< 1408394409 80752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought azerty was german, but maybe the french have it too
< 1408394424 418161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german is qwertz
< 1408394430 957862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :german is qwertziopü
< 1408394433 417050 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok
< 1408394443 952136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that one because "add a way to swap y and z" is one of the most common FRs to NetHack from German players
< 1408394468 343714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes
< 1408394510 993681 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest problem that I had when switching from german to US layout was that I kept minimizing my emacs window when copying stuff
< 1408394518 492986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because C-y became C-z.
< 1408394522 956612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland has different keyboards at the different language areas, I presume.
< 1408394543 392835 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keyboard has an unshifted µ key that's how you know it's good
< 1408394554 977455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I sometimes set C-z on the "show a confirm before using this" setting
< 1408394557 81154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so annoying to typo
< 1408394557 720767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: useful.
< 1408394558 435245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, two people typing on the same keyboard can be confusing: I do that a little at work such that I use either english or hungarian qwerty, whereas other people use hungarian qwertz, so the yz swaps are crazy
< 1408394572 812646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just downloaded a Firefox extension so that I could unbind C-q in Firefox, for similar reasons
< 1408394579 972797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keyboard has an unshifted § key, that's p. useful too.
< 1408394582 353421 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: numbers are shifted though!!
< 1408394585 757796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g., if you write a lot of laws.
< 1408394603 584392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I have 1234567890 reasons against that
< 1408394607 908691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's q on azerty? next to s?
< 1408394612 383920 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1408394614 29872 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsdfghjklm
< 1408394653 780460 :heroux!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408394705 740837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still wonder if I should try another keyboard layout
< 1408394717 880941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't dared yet after the failure with dvorak
< 1408394743 71899 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: failure how so
< 1408394775 407970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I learnt it a bit, but it turns out dvorak is stupid, it doesn't combine with Hungarian text well:
< 1408394812 408399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak is based on the principle that the vowels are under your left hand and the consonants are on the right, but Hungarian has two extra vowels that are very common and seven more that are less common
< 1408394824 247681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dvorak only works for Englih
< 1408394843 153448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other part is that Hungarian has "k" common and "h" rare, the opposite of English
< 1408394855 838599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do Hungarian keyboards have different keys for each vowel? or do you use modifiers for the accents?
< 1408394893 155065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hungarian has the nine vowels on where English has punctuation marks:
< 1408394906 335077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two most common vowels are on ; and '
< 1408394912 521361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1408394912 839628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the right of L that is
< 1408394923 178062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why you're less willing to move your home position to the left, at least
< 1408394932 795250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the Finnish/Swedish keyboard layout puts öä.
< 1408394935 932303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there one in the position where # is on a UK keyboard?
< 1408394939 416668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? do you do that for typing English too? not just for vi or nethack?
< 1408394939 603632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And å next to p.
< 1408394947 528466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't type Hungarian in nethack
< 1408394969 750001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, and German is something similar too
< 1408394970 586169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I read that as ; and ' being vowels in hungarian
< 1408394979 712297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I move my hands dynamically as I type
< 1408394987 879017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have any extra vowels in the number row, though.
< 1408394991 468844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in the above sentence, I typed the "y" of "dynamically" with my left hadn
< 1408394993 707733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hand
< 1408394998 806564 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, if you type lots of numbers you put yoru hands on the number row
< 1408395000 106487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my right hand is further right typing the "l" just before it
< 1408395020 169524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my fingers memorize a word at a time and I use the most appropriate hand movements for that word
< 1408395033 654416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure that's what's happening, because sometimes I type a homophone rather than the word I want)
< 1408395038 969730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where are your vowels?
< 1408395039 417244 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so i'd best name my vm primitive fnord, which is like boolf with trinary numbers instead, and most probably unrelated to the interface to dumping fasls may be somewhat more intuitive to me but
< 1408395046 322063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, y and b and 6 are a corner case, they're hard to reach with either hand so I can sometimes type with the wrong hand, 
< 1408395054 166989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean I move the base position of my hands
< 1408395146 247781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I move the base position when I type lots of numbers, or when I press the cursor keys or similar a lot, or for some non-nethack games
< 1408395188 116499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when I type with one hand, or holding something in my hand
< 1408395234 709897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort of understand changing hand base position for a game like nethack, but I don't think it's useful for nethack's current layout
< 1408395280 585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was, that probably meant the diagonal directions are just bound to the wrong keys, and yb should have functions you press less often in rapid sessions
< 1408395308 659819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you have one orthogonal on each finger
< 1408395313 921984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get any less hand movement than that
< 1408395343 352727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's not the h but the yb that requires difficult hand movements
< 1408395354 582050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is not harder to press then uio is
< 1408395362 911251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm not talking about difficult
< 1408395365 354901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about easy
< 1408395370 20120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl are all very trivial to press
< 1408395371 726289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is /no/ movement
< 1408395373 313331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1408395375 903971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to, if your hand is on jkl;
< 1408395378 77879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do move diagonally too
< 1408395378 484833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to move for the h
< 1408395384 194437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy, but it's still some amount of movement
< 1408395388 822591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most moves are orthogonal
< 1408395393 92650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they?
< 1408395407 676919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought like almost half moves are diagonal
< 1408395411 738839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in nethack, not in vi
< 1408395429 632397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you press hjkl much more than yubn, that probably means you don't use g or 9 enough for corridors
< 1408395486 600908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe there are more orthogonal moves in sokoban 
< 1408395488 308036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate soko
< 1408395495 976680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a bug ticket for that
< 1408395526 315778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#117
< 1408395616 172652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I use shift-direction for corridors
< 1408395639 494984 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then why are you getting most moves orthogonal?
< 1408395659 292920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because most rooms aren't square and don't have doors on opposite corners
< 1408395673 618604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1408395727 553980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I think I understand
< 1408395772 524882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I play much more slowly, most of my move keystrokes are local moves for combat or item manipulation or similar; far travel takes few keystrokes relatively.
< 1408395785 783494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you play fast, so most of your moves are for discovery or traversing the dungeon the first time
< 1408395791 245967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could make a difference, and could explain this
< 1408395819 400052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I play quite fast
< 1408395824 555364 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I use more orthogonal move for first discovery of a dungeon too
< 1408395884 555333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course lots of the directional keystrokes are for targetting stuff, such as for farlook or travel, 
< 1408395893 362290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and diagonals come handy for that, especially shift-diagonals
< 1408395954 917783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whether you have more orthogonals or diagonals on targeting depends on whether the difference between the x and y coordinates is more than a factor of 2 or not
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< 1408396024 196316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but also a lot of far targetting is just _<; or _>; so the directional key targetting goes nearer
< 1408396024 562238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: try ttyrec2ing your play some time
< 1408396029 634878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see whether you use orthogonal or diagonal more
< 1408396033 683690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be interested
< 1408396039 556247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have ttyrecs
< 1408396045 407245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think I'll check
< 1408396050 193328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can send them to you if you want
< 1408396090 204899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ttyrecs of almost all of that wizard game on nh4.2 that's sort of on a hiatus now
< 1408396100 535535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should ascend it eventually
< 1408396112 767968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, I mean ttyrec2
< 1408396116 95428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it records input as well as output
< 1408396129 290176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just look through the logfiles for diagonal movement commands, though
< 1408396149 283380 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1408396152 519083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it record password?
< 1408396183 292393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a key combo you can use around your password to tell it not to
< 1408396186 581298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise yes
< 1408396337 765901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logfile doesn't record location prompts though, and I don't know how easy it is to find out about repeated or travel movement from it
< 1408396517 242286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does record location prompts
< 1408396531 202472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but not the keystrokes I pressed for them
< 1408396534 504932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd need to parse the save file backups to work out where the player was before the prompt
< 1408396537 271694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't tell how I moved the cursor
< 1408396549 221760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might not press the optimal keypresses for a location prompt 
< 1408396553 584328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's lot of farlook too
< 1408396570 253621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :farlook isn't recorded
< 1408396572 716683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I might be using shortcuts like _< 
< 1408396575 357444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do that with the mouse nowadays
< 1408396585 641400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I don't mouse for nethack
< 1408396589 624812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way
< 1408396592 784527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can at least be sure of that
< 1408396673 663810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408396923 95025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got used to mouse for farlook from Brogue, where the keyboard farlook controls are awful
< 1408396958 242330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, and of course the location prompt controls could be improved too (I think I have a bug report), but they're not bad
< 1408396968 520690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have to search it now
< 1408396970 232436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1408396991 175646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #113
< 1408396997 45454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're so on the wrong channel by the way
< 1408397006 626076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really
< 1408397028 476036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when #esoteric talks about nethack and #nethack talks about python lambdas, somethign is strange
< 1408397065 596400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is talking about keyboards :-)
< 1408397147 105019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> int-e: I wonder how they actually estimate those result counts. <-- my guess is they have the number of instances of each word, and calculate the probability for several words as if they were independent.
< 1408397170 858741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, that's /very/ rough
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< 1408397185 854101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps with some exceptions for words that are commonly together
< 1408397231 607270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced a query on google is either a straight AND or OR query these days, even with lots of fudging.
< 1408397418 547981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's damn hard to get google to show relevant hits for what you want
< 1408397438 697907 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1408397488 257170 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408397503 982659 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to find help for nero-mode in emacs last night and was utterly incapable of getting google to spit out anything useful.
< 1408397516 325547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when without quotes is too fudged and with quotes is too strict
< 1408397537 590498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try pluses
< 1408397547 649003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it can be difficult
< 1408397562 614352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do pluses do something still?
< 1408397576 633385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were completely abandoned as different from quotes
< 1408397602 934721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with quotes is never too strict these days
< 1408397606 837953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I'm not sure quotes do anything
< 1408397613 652160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah plusses were removed
< 1408397614 744684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think pluses can make the query more like a straight AND query
< 1408397621 236375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroe like, not exactly the same
< 1408397621 373789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got deprecated
< 1408397622 955233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because google+
< 1408397625 845354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do nothing now.
< 1408397649 599776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what...
< 1408397652 243435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes still do something
< 1408397664 256347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: e.g. http://www.wired.com/2011/10/google-kills-its-other-plus-and-how-to-bring-it-back/
< 1408397664 393386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed they used to be more strict
< 1408397668 210738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, quotes are certainly different
< 1408397679 637390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://searchengineland.com/google-sunsets-search-operator-98189
< 1408397695 756992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, they do something, but it sure as hell isn't anything close to "exactly match this string" :)
< 1408397720 223603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sometimes add a quote to just a single word when google insists on showing lots of hits that leave it out.
< 1408397744 212554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it also helps with words that are not actually on the page. sometimes.
< 1408397761 96029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I see
< 1408397808 256303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically afaik google doesn't really have a search _language_, just searching hints...
< 1408397816 582101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1408397854 229950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sometimes searches for variations of a word, or for words not appearing on a page but in other pages linking to that page, both of which can be sometimes useful, sometimes wrong
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< 1408398063 25381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I get sick of google but then I try duckduckgo and I remember how kinda nice it is to have all your searches optimised based on your history and a strong AI behind every query.
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< 1408398168 333661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that using those history/strong AI often get in the way though (although, it can sometimes help)
< 1408398189 923185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1408398235 174401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience was duckduckgo was fine for everything except computery/programming stuff (ironic considering how google's inability to search for symbols is an obstacle there too)
< 1408398246 955097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that it just gave mostly useless results and I think the targetting helps google a lot there.
< 1408398325 606039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want relevant stuff, looking on Wikipedia tends to help better, however it doesn't have as many things as Google. (This is why there is less irrelevant stuff involved)
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< 1408401412 347429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Taneb14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40305&oldid=38146 5* 03Taneb 5* (+116) 10Added another quote
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< 1408416697 0 :S1!~S1@p4FF92B36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will the Brainfuck survey be used for?
< 1408416712 0 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-67-37.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1408416812 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman is master of all he surveys.
< 1408417174 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408419154 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to think a bit more about a programming language meant for writing the effects of cards in Magic: the Gathering, and perhaps also such game as Pokemon card, Yu-gi-oh, The Aberration Hater Card Game, etc
< 1408419191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Sandwich - The Card Game?
< 1408419192 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I thought something like Lisp, but maybe something resembling Haskell data structures (alrebraic and GADTs) might help a bit.
< 1408419234 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. Card game such as hearts and Napoleon clearly does not need them
< 1408419269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would especially like to play Professional Octopus of the World.
< 1408419614 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you want to play the game involving you have to prevent all of the magnets from touching each other?
< 1408419627 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I?
< 1408419647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!
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< 1408421852 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like Operation For Many Hands
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< 1408428587 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log Chess 2
< 1408428588 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/log: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ grep: ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory
< 1408428594 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`greplog chess 2
< 1408428595 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: greplog: not found
< 1408428599 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1408428600 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ? \ ¿ \ @ \ ؟ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \  \  \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ as86 \ aseen \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ CoInS \ complain \ complaints \ danddreclist \ define \ delquote \ delv
< 1408428609 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facedesks

< 1408428630 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | grep log
< 1408428631 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogy \ anonlog \ etymology \ log \ logurl \ pastalog \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastlog \ randomanonlog \ searchlog
< 1408428640 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`searchlog chess 2
< 1408428640 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :searchlog: error while loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
< 1408428649 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not my fault I think.
< 1408428665 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/searchlog
< 1408428665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF............>.....p5@.....@.......Ðg.........@.8..@.(.%.......@.......@.@.....@.@.....À.......À............................@......@............................................@.......@.....L3.....L3....... ............P3.....P3k.....P3k.....8œ......XW........ ...........€3.....€3k.....€3k.....ð.......ð................
< 1408428679 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. Ok. halp.
< 1408428939 0 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep
< 1408428946 0 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's an ELF binary)
< 1408428953 0 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/searchlog
< 1408428954 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/searchlog: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0x9c503c564def63c21bb1d9a1222d2f6c4b9afd78, not stripped
< 1408429406 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be great if file could detect what language the binary was written in. e.g. looking for the GHC Haskell runtime
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< 1408429599 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some programming languages I expect such a thing would not work so well though
< 1408429654 0 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do ghc programs link libc
< 1408429667 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that reminds me, I was originally searching logs because I was wondering what your opinion of Chess 2 is
< 1408429732 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is another chess variant. It is not bad
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< 1408444673 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the codu website is up, but glogbot isn't logging...
< 1408444904 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: HackEgo hasn't had access to the channel logs since the server move
< 1408444918 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo_ HackEgo hasn't had access to the channel logs since the server move
< 1408444919 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408445070 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :searchlog hasn't been changed since the repository history was wiped or what they call it
< 1408445383 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1408445384 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ unpa \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
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< 1408445389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck.fu \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ ploki \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ ul.emm
< 1408445394 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls share
< 1408445395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8ballreplies \ awesome \ cat \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ hello.c \ lua \ maze \ maze.c \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ units.dat \ WordData
< 1408445425 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball
< 1408445426 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very doubtful.
< 1408445467 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat Test.hs
< 1408445467 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Data.List(inits);main = let p = 1 : zipWith (+) (map (*4) p) (map (sum . zipWith (*) p . reverse) (inits p)) in print $ p !! 1000
< 1408445483 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm Test* test
< 1408445484 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `Test* test': No such file or directory
< 1408445491 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm Test* test
< 1408445493 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408445578 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Bike> do ghc programs link libc <-- they link gmp, which was mentioned in the error
< 1408445594 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike <Bike> do ghc programs link libc <-- they link gmp, which was mentioned in the error
< 1408445594 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408445669 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`strings bin/searchlog
< 1408445671 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 \ l/-"x \ librt.so.1 \ __gmon_start__ \ _Jv_RegisterClasses \ libutil.so.1 \ libdl.so.2 \ libgmp.so.3 \ __gmpz_tdiv_qr \ __gmpz_and \ __gmpz_tdiv_q \ __gmpz_tdiv_r \ __gmpz_fdiv_qr \ __gmpn_gcd_1 \ __gmpz_ior \ __gmpz_mul_2exp \ __gmp_set_memory_functions \ _fini \ __gmpz_sub \ __gmpz_xor \ __gmpz_com \ __gmpz_gcd \ _
< 1408445704 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` strings bin/searchlog | tail
< 1408445705 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noexec \ TMPDIR \ /tmp \ /var/tmp \ /dev/shm \ HOME \ /etc/mtab \ /ffiXXXXXX \ {ZX! \ {ZX!
< 1408445727 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` strings bin/searchlog | paste
< 1408445730 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.25326
< 1408445874 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike strings reveals that it is definitely haskell
< 1408445875 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408446441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` strings bin/searchlog | grep zh
< 1408446441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stg_delayzh \ stg_mkWeakzh \ stg_mkWeakForeignEnvzh \ stg_makeStableNamezh \ stg_finalizzeWeakzh \ stg_atomicallyzh \ stg_getMaskingStatezh \ stg_maskAsyncExceptionszh \ stg_maskUninterruptiblezh \ stg_catchzh \ stg_catchRetryzh \ stg_catchSTMzh \ stg_checkzh \ stg_decodeDoublezu2Intzh \ stg_decodeFloatzuIntzh \ stg_delayzh \ stg_deRefWeakzh \ stg_
< 1408446506 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there are more obvious strings in there, like ghc error messages
< 1408446665 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's a /hackenv/bin/log just before strings about process-1.1.0.0, so something tells me that program was meant to shell out to `log
< 1408446694 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/log
< 1408446695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ if [ "$1" ]; then \     grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | shuf -n 1 \ else \     file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \     echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ fi
< 1408446735 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me wonder what was the original point of wrapping it in haskell.  if we could only search the logs...
< 1408446740 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408446787 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily. i seem to be making a fool of myself on the french wikipedia, despite not knowing enough french to write commit messages in it...
< 1408446867 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*edit summaries
< 1408446902 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. how come? what have you done?
< 1408446934 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cl%C3%A9ment_Ader&action=history
< 1408447051 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the difference between start and finish in both the english and french articles, it seems the original error was a stupid month/date swap
< 1408447070 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the joy of dates...
< 1408447079 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe_!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :
< 1408447081 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it took a while to get that sorted out
< 1408447277 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408447584 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning!
< 1408447635 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon mataneb!
< 1408448553 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lambda14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40306&oldid=40303 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10newest working capture
< 1408449297 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40307&oldid=40299 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-42) 10NAH.
< 1408449346 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah?
< 1408449418 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say NAH to that previous edit.
< 1408449462 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nah. tdh.
< 1408449472 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw.
< 1408449474 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not altogether helpful?
< 1408449481 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1408449525 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moldy and yellow, but excellent?
< 1408449545 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nah
< 1408449545 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah no ambiguity here
< 1408449573 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: could you expand PERHAPS?
< 1408449636 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausibly entertaining ridicule has a peculiar serenity
< 1408449644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is almost certainly not what oerjan meant
< 1408449852 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ shachaf
< 1408449852 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf
< 1408449887 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is NOW
< 1408450130 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MEANINGFUL CHICKEN
< 1408450831 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know where I can get an APL keyboard layout?
< 1408451105 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will a bananaphone do?
< 1408451121 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it
< 1408451476 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a phone with a peel
< 1408451620 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but even a thousand peels wouldn't help me type weird unicode characters without memorizing a whole bunch of codes
< 1408452445 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Make yourself compose sequences that make sense to you?
< 1408452698 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar, that's a possibility, hmm
< 1408452828 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though composing would be required anyway to produce all the symbols if you used the original keyboard layout.
< 1408453104 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a newer keyboard that includes the combinations is https://web.archive.org/web/20120316083521/http://www.users.on.net/~farnik/upload/APL2union.gif
< 1408453122 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you could in theory write a layout file from.
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< 1408458328 0 :PupUser75bda2Wil!~PupUser75@14.97.226.196 PART #esoteric :
< 1408458619 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408459368 0 :scorpiona!~scorpion@pool-71-164-186-50.dllstx.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408459372 0 :scorpiona!~scorpion@pool-71-164-186-50.dllstx.fios.verizon.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1408460835 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408461818 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: (set-jarcane-connect! J_Arcane #f)
< 1408463486 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408464477 0 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two people dead, five missing at Chess Olympiad in Norway http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/aug/15/deaths-world-chess-olympiad-norway
< 1408464762 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1408466475 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408467462 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1408467952 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408469227 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408470613 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't hear about the missing people
< 1408470776 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a whole team going missing, that sounds like fun
< 1408471010 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408471101 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408471138 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1408471274 0 :Froox!?@? NICK :Frooxius
< 1408471321 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My poor, useless eyes! http://hometowns.cyber-net-village.com/Orlando/7302/Rick/sportzone/misc/folders/Jean/
< 1408471326 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Almost certainly deliberate)
< 1408471332 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408471597 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: where's the animated gif? a page cannot be truly horrible without an animated gif. preferrably as the background image.
< 1408471694 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that yellow on pink is astonishingly readable. imagine a green text color instead.
< 1408472230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, missing people???
< 1408472357 0 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-67.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:04 < ion> Two people dead, five missing at Chess Olympiad in Norway http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/aug/15/deaths-world-chess-olympiad-norway
< 1408472414 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god
< 1408473797 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, doing an unfounded statistical computation, the life expectance of the players at the Chess Olympiad was 35 years. That doesn't seem too bad.
< 1408473804 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expectancy
< 1408475724 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-117-210.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408477284 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408477619 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408477664 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408477944 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408477950 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408478047 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408478546 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
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< 1408478857 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
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< 1408479841 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408480141 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408480232 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408480387 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408480413 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408480448 0 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-174-117-210.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408480523 0 :MoALTz__!~no@user-31-174-117-210.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408480622 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-117-210.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1408480727 0 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-174-117-210.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1408481193 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408481221 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408481647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language for complex card games like I have described a bit before, I have some more ideas of it too. Using a kind of algebraic data types like described before, it can become something like "Lisp with types". Although, these types can then be defined as open or closed types; a "additive open" type can add more constructors later on; a "multiplicative open" type can add more fields but can only have exactly one constructor.
< 1408481784 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also then rules, which can manipulate the data, and macros, and "foreign codes", and the compiler can try to figure out which rules are invoked and use that to compile it into a C code or whatever; it can use a intermediate code so that you can compile into C or a MUD variant of C or Ada/CS or Inform or whatever you are using.
< 1408481859 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no lazy evaluation and function types and so on.
< 1408481887 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1408482244 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408482875 0 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.hsi14.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408482876 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:9a5:62da:4e51:d2f6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1408483302 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :*!*mauris@*$##fixyourconnection
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< 1408487960 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> ah, a whole team going missing, that sounds like fun <-- being from africa, the stereotypical assumption would be that they're trying to immigrate.
< 1408488093 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't read about this in the local paper; currently he finds the news depressing enough that he doesn't read any on the web.

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< 1408550777 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Two14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40308&oldid=39517 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+5) 10
< 1408550865 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not convinced that Two solves the halting problem
< 1408551353 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does
< 1408551383 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It does for standard turing-complete languages: Write an interpreter for a universal machine that takes a maximum number of simulation steps as its argument; make it loop forever if the number of steps is exhausted. Use I to guess the necessary number of iterations until the program terminates.
< 1408551393 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it does not solve the Halting problem for itself.
< 1408551413 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh
< 1408551414 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1408551450 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah.
< 1408551461 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I is not well-defined; consider +>>I[-[>]<<[]>-] (which halts if I produces an even number, and loops forever otherwise)
< 1408551474 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least that's my intention, I have not tested the code)
< 1408551576 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that discern between even and not even?
< 1408551614 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's basically [--] with a test for zero in the middle.
< 1408551628 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1408551655 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1408551663 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loops basically forever regardless though
< 1408551699 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :since | represents infinity
< 1408551734 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a capital I
< 1408551785 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1408551791 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense I guess
< 1408551811 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess the specification doesn't really say anything about the values of the cells. I assumed natural numbers, but indeed you can add an infinity.
< 1408551829 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is not modified by + nor -)
< 1408551887 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's crucial that I does not simply use that value unless all smaller values violate its specification
< 1408551968 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and worse, the infinity itself has to be excluded from its considerations. I[-] is supposed to terminate, but if I sets the cell to infinity, it would run forever.
< 1408551971 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky.
< 1408552094 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I also got the halting problem reduction slightly wrong (it reduces the halting problem to another one); instead of looping forever when the number of iterations is exhausted, it should print "No", while upon successful termination, it should print "Yes".
< 1408552230 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's an example I[->.<] which clarifies the behaviour of I.
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< 1408555127 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not mention how the halting problem is solved.
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< 1408558492 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it correct that I[->.<] is improper but that I[-.] is OK?
< 1408558555 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are both proper
< 1408558617 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that I is an infinite loop if it is improper; does this mean the I instruction itself or the data is made infinite?
< 1408558644 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doens't say "improper"
< 1408558652 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it doesn't say "improper"
< 1408558652 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing improper
< 1408558707 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely a program such as ]]I]]]]-[ would be improper, isn't it?
< 1408558729 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :peharps. the specification does not say
< 1408558777 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :peharps!
< 1408558788 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws peas at harps

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< 1408559463 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mentione above that it is not well defined   +>>I[-[>]<<[]>-]   see?
< 1408559500 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although then they say it is infinite
< 1408559591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since sometimes it is impossible to do what it says it is supposed to do
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< 1408559796 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any better ideas for defining a programming language to define effect of cards in Magic: the Gathering and Pokemon card and so on, other than solely what I have written in the past few days? Perhaps, something based on those but better or more defined?
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< 1408560318 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd agree that I[-.] should terminate, because of . being a nop for non-unicode code points.
< 1408560371 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, that is what I would see, too. (Even if extended to a longer range, as long as it is still a limited range of codepoints it is still OK)
< 1408560383 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it would print all of unicode in reverse order
< 1408560392 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: right
< 1408560416 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I[--.] wouldn't be well defined though!
< 1408560444 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are correct
< 1408560449 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny.
< 1408560533 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: as the comment below the table says, in that case I would loop forever; the result would be a program that loops forever without output.
< 1408560671 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that it ought to simply be an error instead; where an error is considered as not halting.
< 1408560945 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would raise the question whether errors are distinguishable from nontermination
< 1408561148 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer must be whichever way does not cause a paradox. (I am not sure that a paradox can be caused anyways, but possibly it can be considered??)
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< 1408561210 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that I[-.] should do nothing and never halt
< 1408561238 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if I+ is the same as I++ is the same as I+++, then so also should I be the same as I- and I--
< 1408561251 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think that is what it means.
< 1408561295 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose what you say is true but that's because the "I" command then uses different values to compensate for such thing.
< 1408561313 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to imply, to me, that I[-.] should then never halt.
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< 1408561382 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rereading, the print all code points and halt also makes sense
< 1408561440 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I[--.] as a program that loops forever without output also makes sense in the hyperreals
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< 1408561847 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The codu logs seem to be down...
< 1408562043 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me there ought to be an online IPA phonics to speech synthesiser, but I can't find one :-(
< 1408562312 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot find such a program, maybe you can write one? Do you know how to write one?
< 1408562434 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loquendo had one (I don't recall if they had a demo), but their website seems to have been discombobulated now that Nuance bought them.
< 1408562510 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can feed raw SSMP into http://www2.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php but I doubt their voices cover all of IPA.
< 1408562556 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, SSML. I don't know where I got the P from.
< 1408562560 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably from SMTP.
< 1408562587 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to sort a partial ordering in a C program?
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< 1408562808 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :<phoneme alphabet="att_sampa_english" ph="k { t">dummy</phoneme> sounds like a cat, but <phoneme alphabet="ipa" ...> doesn't work, so you're limited to what you can find in English SAMPA.
< 1408562883 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you cannot get X-SAMPA then either, I suppose.
< 1408562883 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, actually alphabet="ipa" does something too, if you hex-entity-encode the IPA stuff.
< 1408562924 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I got plain <phoneme alphabet="ipa" ph="kæt">...</phoneme> out too, so I guess I just typoed something.
< 1408562934 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I doubt you can stick any IPA in there and expect it to work.
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< 1408563020 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, at least ɸ doesn't come out at all.
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< 1408563334 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's made a bookmarklet -- http://johntantalo.com/blog/ipa-tts-bookmarklet/ -- around the AT&T demo, that's about all freely available I can find.
< 1408563458 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: we've got a visitor from University of Edinburgh's speech synthesis group (home of Festival) at our lab/group/organizational-unit this month.
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< 1408563615 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know, that in Hero Hearts, a fire extinguisher not only extinguishes fire, but it also extinguishes lava, too?
< 1408563675 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much luck trying to feed "kʀiːk deːɐ̯ kɛʁnə" into TTS!
< 1408563684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a card game which is a variation of Hearts?
< 1408563701 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1408563708 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a computer game
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< 1408564067 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i could pronounce it for you!
< 1408564152 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no luck with the bookmarklet in Chrome. It's not even working on his examples.
< 1408564200 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may have changed the interface.
< 1408564238 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about http://forvo.com/word/krieg/#de http://forvo.com/word/der/#de http://forvo.com/word/kerne/#de
< 1408564241 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: thanks, if you shout it really, really loud that should do the trick.
< 1408564294 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's actual language and not just some made-up thing? 
< 1408564311 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just write "krieg der kerne" in Google Translate and ask it to play it back.
< 1408564339 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that of course
< 1408564655 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've said this before, but having GT speak English words with their Finnish voice is p. amusing. It's a very close approximation of the stereotypical bad English Finns are supposed to speak.
< 1408564659 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comes with having a more or less phonemic orthography, I'm sure.
< 1408564661 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably most of the joke is lost on non-Finnish people.
< 1408564710 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it
< 1408564763 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're missing the context of jokes about "tankero-englanti".
< 1408564773 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankero   ooh, notable
< 1408564847 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, google translate sounds close to the forvo pronunciation. I'm still surprised there isn't an IPA to speech tool online though.
< 1408564864 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make one to rectify this.
< 1408564883 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could call it "the IPAmatic".
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< 1408579871 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, is there any immediately obvious reason why that wouldn't exist yet, really
< 1408579886 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds easier than normal text to speech!
< 1408579891 0 :mauris!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "ipa is just big"
< 1408580113 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should be.
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< 1408584794 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZoon
< 1408585794 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan what is a zzoon?
< 1408585794 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408585804 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh. for once I used the right @command :D )
< 1408586262 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I'm stupid.
< 1408586276 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never, ever do $(echo 726d202d7266202a | xxd -r -p) in your home directory.
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< 1408587312 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good advice
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< 1408587832 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this thing comes with some moderately clever packaging here (from an IRC topic line): "Root exploit: root(){ root|root& };root | OpenSSH remote root exploit: ssh $(echo 726d202d7266202a|xxd -r -p)@example.com -p 22"
< 1408588103 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 726d202d7266202a | xxd -r -p
< 1408588103 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf *
< 1408588364 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so that does ssh rm -rf '*'@example.com -p 22...?
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< 1408588839 0 :lexande!arapp@lara.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs another set of $()s
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< 1408593296 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may be temporarily replacing '3 slices of pizza' with 'chicken + brocolli from Chinese food place' in his diet

< 1408593303 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that's worse health-wise
< 1408593331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you do not like to eat same things all the time, then it is good, though.
< 1408594267 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, right. it should be $($(...))
< 1408594307 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or perhaps it wasn't meant to be truly evil
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< 1408599457 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mauris I'd say it's easier to do badly (no need for pronunciation dictionaries) but harder to do "naturally" (no way of guessing correct prosody without knowing the language, except for the IPA stress and tone markers that probably aren't even always there, and anyway don't mark up everything, plus probably no available single-voice audio corpora that'd cover all the sounds).
< 1408599457 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1408602061 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should need a more elaborate syntax, then, would be all, I think
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< 1408604483 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would need to also specify various parameters and envelopes for speech, as well as markers used not only in IPA but an extension of it.
< 1408604701 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will GNU GPL version 42 ever be made up?
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< 1408620366 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1408620367 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 9h 36m 12s ago: what is a zzoon?
< 1408620384 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily It is Zzleep, coming zzoon hth
< 1408620385 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1408620531 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. for a fraction of a second i had what seemed like a vertical tab menu, the kind i've been missing since i updated from IE 8.
< 1408620545 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no idea what i pressed.
< 1408620597 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan!
< 1408620611 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it's just IE's own icon which has changed it's menu. yay!
< 1408620687 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemsktmyckeheily
< 1408620709 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t
< 1408620714 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemskt... *cough*
< 1408620719 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-'
< 1408620722 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hoily is that?
< 1408620745 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4-h9-s2g8
< 1408620922 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Hey Hey terriblement BONJOUR»
< 1408620983 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that song was even cheesier than i remembered.
< 1408621061 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what was what I just watched, except that it wouldn't feel out of place on a Monday night.
< 1408621141 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "hemskt" is something like an intensifier, no _actual_ terrible intended.
< 1408621174 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a terrible amount of hi.
< 1408621208 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surprisingly feel quite bonjoured today with that incomprehensible video clip :D
< 1408621216 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but what is a micket?)
< 1408621221 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! yw.
< 1408621239 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:mycket = en:much
< 1408621410 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also recommends den makalöse manicken that youtube suggests

< 1408621425 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you'll find that incomprehensible too.
< 1408622305 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Finnish cover of it.
< 1408622309 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that helps.
< 1408622314 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that help? I don't think it helps.
< 1408622486 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a Help Scale, measured in HTHs.
< 1408622608 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might help, by having nothing to comprehend in the first place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2qsC-PuJQ
< 1408622776 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hubba hubba zoot zoot! hebba hobba zaat zaat! :D ♪
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< 1408623814 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE7TOaTv3SI   let's get that Finnish action here too, then
< 1408623835 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :My headset is temporarily borrowed away, so I can't check if it is in fact the same thing.
< 1408624087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except by playing it back out loud with the integrated speakers while everyone else around will stop and stare.)
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< 1408625556 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well it is.  but the swedish was better hth
< 1408625590 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what my wife says, too, IIRC.
< 1408625595 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess everything's better in Sweden.
< 1408625613 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the finnish professor just doesn't sound crazy enough.
< 1408625629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's best in life? 
< 1408625629 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: tell me how to write a procmail-replacement in scheme. no sense in null termination. if it's not easier, at least
< 1408625671 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot knows the true pleasures
< 1408625671 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but most implementations do though? ( x 256) is clearer.
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< 1408632340 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k []
< 1408632342 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> *
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< 1408632616 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k [Maybe, (,) Bool]
< 1408632617 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Illegal type: ‘'[Maybe, (,) Bool]’
< 1408632618 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Perhaps you intended to use DataKinds
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< 1408633492 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode |
< 1408633492 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+007C VERTICAL LINE]
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< 1408637595 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1408637601 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a great idea today
< 1408637608 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esolang
< 1408637624 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has latin.
< 1408637627 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is latin
< 1408637629 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's latin
< 1408637636 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it Latin#
< 1408637643 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because generic name
< 1408637689 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, there's already Lingua Romana Perligata
< 1408637716 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to make it so all valid Latin sentences are also valid in Latin#
< 1408637726 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit ambitious though
< 1408637768 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40309&oldid=40117 5* 03213.152.181.66 5* (+4) 10
< 1408637783 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Taneb/lingua_abstrusa
< 1408637799 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1408637806 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lingua_abstrusa
< 1408637898 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the idea of making "speech" verbs like vocare control I/O
< 1408637904 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CJam14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40310 5* 03213.152.181.66 5* (+177) 10Created page with "CJam is a stack-based programming language inspired by [[GolfScript]].  Link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cjam/  Code example (factorial of 5):  <pre>5 ,:):*</pre>  {{stub}}"
< 1408637931 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, having "voco" print something, "vocas" would get input, and "vocat" would print to stderr
< 1408637944 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quidquit latine dictum sit, accumulatorem increscit.
< 1408637986 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean quidquid?
< 1408637997 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPID AUTOCORRECT
< 1408638005 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it sneak into putty
< 1408638038 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that which is said in Latin, increments the accumulator?
< 1408638040 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1408638114 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what should I use as for example an end-if?
< 1408638118 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an end-while
< 1408638129 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just general end
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< 1408638143 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINIS
< 1408638175 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right fin
< 1408638176 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408638186 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :finis*
< 1408638188 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408638213 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Taneb is probably better at this.
< 1408638340 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I want to give it a try :P
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< 1408643148 0 :Bike_!?@? NICK :Bicyclidine
< 1408643159 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ¦
< 1408643160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00A6 BROKEN BAR]
< 1408643257 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the vaguest feeling that also keyboards hereabouts used to have the ¦ symbol printed on the keycap in place of the |.
< 1408643317 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, UK layouts had/have both? 
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< 1408643879 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My keyboard (German type 1) has ¦ printed where | would be if I were using the matching layout. It’s on the third level, and the Linux standard upper levels have the fourth-level equivalent be ¦ .
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< 1408644297 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This (Finnish) one I'm using has a | printed (third level in the key left of z, with < > | printed on it), and there is indeed ¦ generated by altgr-shift.
< 1408644321 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1408644335 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The equally Finnish keyboard in the laptop has a printed ¦.
< 1408644342 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the machine's from Germany.
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< 1408648555 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this (sv) keyboard has a solid |, but I have another (us) keyboard with ¦
< 1408648633 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK keyboards have both, but both keys are interpreted the same way on Linux: | (left of Z), | (altgr-`)
< 1408648644 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're interpreted differently on DOS/Windows
< 1408648672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, I've seen a new development in 419 spam
< 1408648697 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this spam is pretending to be a followup to existing spam that's already been fallen to, in the sense of "now I have the money, please contact person X for further details"
< 1408648705 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the spam equivalent of a virus, rather than a bacterium
< 1408648711 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relies on some other scammer having done the hard work
< 1408648834 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a better deal than the normal nigeria spam, someone else has already paid for the transfer, all you need is to collect the reward
< 1408648958 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, that too
< 1408649290 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really "new". And you see it also in the form of "stop talking to these other people, they are out to scam you, we need to take care of this".
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< 1408649354 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't quite know how it proceeds from there into you giving them money.)
< 1408649362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it's the first time I've seen it
< 1408649382 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've seen the "we're police investigating scams, if you've been scammed tell us about it and we'll try to get your money back"
< 1408649391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is followed by the normal methods of getting money)
< 1408649717 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of a followup too.
< 1408649728 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the ones I've seen don't ask "if you've been scammed", they just assume.
< 1408649767 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: err, right, yes
< 1408649847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been getting a lot of "We considered your resume to be very attractive and we thought the vacant position in our company could be interesting for you" at the webmaster@ address lately, even though there's nothing very much like a resume or a CV at the site in question.
< 1408649860 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's a bit of a profile of myself that might have some keywords.
< 1408649923 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are offering a job as a "destination representative" with duties including "document and payment control of our clients" offering "flat wage from 1200 EUR up to 3,000 EUR per month".
< 1408650013 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These job postings are an attempt to lure you into accepting and cashing counterfeit checks into your bank accounts. You are being recruited to wire transfer these funds via WESTERN UNION or MONEYGRAM from your bank into a DOMESTIC BANK  or OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNT."
< 1408650018 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was guessing it was something like that.
< 1408650106 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a counterfeit check make you transfer money from your bank?
< 1408650133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you cash the counterfeit check, then wire 90% of the money to the people who sent it to you
< 1408650142 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a flat fee in this case, I guess.
< 1408650287 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's apparently also a new targeted phishing attack going around our university; at least we got a warning about one from the IT folks.
< 1408650330 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've gotten an instance of it too, it was in the spam folder.
< 1408650360 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dear User, This is your webmail administrator. Please,be informed that the email server has just been upgraded and your email needs to be reset immediately. This process is to keep Aalto University system server updated and protected as always."
< 1408650420 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you go to Aalto University?
< 1408650425 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's doing better than 90% of spam
< 1408650432 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the "reset your email" link has the actual Aalto webmail address as the link text. (The URL is to http://www.trimitra-indolestari.co.id/templates/... though.)
< 1408650447 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's being sent to an @aalto.fi address, so it's very targeted.
< 1408650448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't copy links you find in spam, in case someone clicks on them
< 1408650460 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the full link.
< 1408650477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1408650483 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I actually have one spam on my work mail (in the last month, or however long gmail keeps them before autodeleting)
< 1408650519 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the warning, there's a form at the link that asks for your username and password.
< 1408650526 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I'm not sure spam is that much of a problem any more
< 1408650543 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have zero spam filtering on my nethack4.org address, and the spammers have nonetheless mostly given up on it
< 1408650700 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get maybe a 10-20 pieces of spam at the zem.fi (or gehennom.org; it goes to the same place) address daily, and approximately 95% of them are redirected to the spam folder by the most trivial of filtering rules ever, which is just  id=RULE-01 ; rbl=zen.spamhaus.org,bl.spamcop.net ; rblcount>=1 ; action=PREPEND X-Zem-DNSBL: BAD [$$dnsbltext]
< 1408650738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, is that also a nethack-related address?
< 1408650754 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a public nethack server there back in time.
< 1408651080 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I'm providing a couple of subdomains for friends; these have nothing whatsoever to do with the domain name, but have just become established, and therefore don't want to move out.)
< 1408651181 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spammers are stupid.
< 1408651193 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They try to make money by selling me medical drugs.
< 1408651209 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I couldn't get them for free in the drug store anyway
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< 1408651239 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a paper about how to send personalized spam
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< 1408651333 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a bot...
< 1408651337 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in haskell
< 1408651341 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for academic purposes
< 1408651370 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using quasiquoters
< 1408651373 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever those are
< 1408651825 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you misunderstand the business
< 1408651852 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: thinking of filter criteria for spam is wasted effort when you can use that time to send spam to more people
< 1408651860 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people will do the filtering for you
< 1408651960 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think that most people who send spam make their money off spam-sending services, which they sell to the people hoping to /actually/ make money
< 1408651983 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1408652431 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After 26 days, and almost 350 million e-mail messages, only 28 sales resulted". (Kanich et al., "Spamalytics: An Empirical Analysis of Spam Marketing Conversion", where they infiltrate the Storm botnet and collect statistics.)
< 1408652467 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost more than i'd expect
< 1408652482 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than one per day?
< 1408652498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder spam is so prevalent
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< 1408652596 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam has been likened to the Tragedy of the Commons, for good reason.
< 1408652598 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The paper refers to an estimate that buying spam delivery by retail costs $80/million messages, which probably wouldn't make that a particularly cost-effective figure.
< 1408652673 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :email spam, not paper spam?
< 1408652681 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1408652685 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a pretty expensive price, really
< 1408652703 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. I didn't bother to follow through the reference they got the number from.
< 1408652723 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is slightly old work (2008), which might make a difference.
< 1408652842 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their "Pharmacy" dataset had 347,590,389 spam targets, an estimated 82,700,000 (23.8%) recipients where the responsible mail server actually accepted the message, 10,522 (0.00303%) visits to the spam site, and those 28 (0.0000081%) sales.
< 1408652937 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's a pretty bad conversion rate after clicking the link, I thought that'd be higher
< 1408652949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many of those visits were intentional, and how many were someone accidentally clicking the link?
< 1408652964 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, looks like a DDOS could /completely/ throw off the statistics
< 1408652969 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some browser doing prefetching
< 1408652994 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I imagine is quite possible in connection with webmail)
< 1408653020 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine spam generating reasonable profit
< 1408653110 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the 28 sales, 27 were for "male-enhancement products", with an average purchase price of about $100.
< 1408653117 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sending spam dosn't cost that much
< 1408653143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now I wonder if those products even actually worked
< 1408653148 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't buying those products in your local pharmacy much cheaper?
< 1408653162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, apparently the first ever spam message (for lawyers, on Usenet) worked quite well, and it was massively controversial
< 1408653168 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably even covered by insurance
< 1408653179 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The direct extrapolation (which might be off by quite a whole lot) yields a revenue estimate of $3.5M/year for the Storm botnet entire.
< 1408653233 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although covered by insurance doesn't imply that it's free
< 1408653260 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your franchise
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< 1408653366 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They speculate that Storm's operators are "vertically integrated" (such a wonderful phrase) and are doing the spamming themselves, and not someone else buying botnet time from them. Based on the fact that the same pharmacy campaign was running a long time and therefore was somewhat likely to be profitable.
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< 1408653499 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possibly a bit moot now that Storm's I guess mostly just a memory.
< 1408653546 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also people might be more comfortable buying their male-enhancement products online instead of at the local pharmacy.
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< 1408653744 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have this vague feeling that here you'd need to demonstrate a medical condition in order to receive reimbursements. (I don't know really anything about insurance-based healthcare systems.)
< 1408653790 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can be reimbursed for the cost of medicines that a doctor has prescribed to you for the treatment of an illness. -- The reimbursement only covers necessary medicine expenses. To qualify for a reimbursement, you must take the medicine as instructed and purchase it for 3 months' use at a time in the most economical package size."
< 1408653840 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works in the UK, is that the doctor prescribes medicine, then you can buy it from a pharmacist for a stock (and very small, less than £10) price
< 1408653843 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the government pays for the rest
< 1408653847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Further, the medicine, emollient cream or clincal nutrient you are purchasing must have been confirmed as reimbursable and as having a reasonable wholesale price by the Pharmaceuticals Pricing Board, which operates in affiliation with the Ministry of Social Affairs and Health."
< 1408653875 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite close to the system here, except the reimbursement is generally some percentage off the "reasonable wholesale price" mentioned there.
< 1408653948 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if there are several equivalent alternatives in a group, the reimbursement amount is computed based on the least expensive of them.
< 1408654002 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Basic rate" is a 35% discount, "lower special" rate is a 65% discount, and "higher special" rate is a 100% discount except for a fixed 3 eur "copayment".
< 1408654060 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you have to buy more than €610 worth of medicine per year, the costs above that are reimbursed in full, except for a fixed €1.50 payment.
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< 1408654215 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish system is pretty much price-fixed + an automatic discount, with possible further reimbursement through the social services.
< 1408654244 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, well. Nordics. :D
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< 1408654815 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the bikes are invading
< 1408654871 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like living in the Netherlands.
< 1408654879 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or copenhagen
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< 1408655231 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of you course you need to demonstrate a medical condition
< 1408655252 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's where your family doctor comes into place
< 1408655317 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they usually don't hesistate writing prespriction
< 1408655436 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't know very much about male-enhancement prescriptions
< 1408655494 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're unscrupulous enough you can get free massages through your doctor
< 1408655567 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real problem of that system is if you want to visit another doctor
< 1408655570 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a specialist
< 1408655601 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially free income for the doctor since he needs to re-assign you to another doctor
< 1408655606 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doctors do nothing for free
< 1408655638 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they charge around 50 CHF just for a 2 min phonecall
< 1408655728 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's very similar to the system here, except for the "government" part.
< 1408655737 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most drugs are not covered by public healthcare, and private plans are needed
< 1408655742 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you have health insurance pay instead?
< 1408655753 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1408655775 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also difficult to leave the doctor's office without meds
< 1408655779 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much standard for any employer worth their salt to provide a health + dental plan; student associations arrange them for students
< 1408655791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is pretty similar to the US system
< 1408655799 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1408655810 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the actual consultation with the doctor is covered publicly
< 1408655860 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in switzerland employers actually HAVE TO provide health plan
< 1408655860 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also the case in the UK, there are numerous doctor surgeries you can just drop into or make an appointment with
< 1408655871 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you're covered by the NHS (which is true if you're British and normally true if you're EU)
< 1408655878 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of health plan
< 1408655892 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :empolyers are required to insure you for injuries
< 1408655905 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but insurance for illnesses in general is something you have to buy private
< 1408655911 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by have to buy I mean you HAVE TO
< 1408655920 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by law you are required to have health insurance
< 1408655958 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when is it not true for EU citizens?
< 1408655989 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well your own government has to cover the cost, and you have to have documentation of that
< 1408656001 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes it's simpler to pay on travel insurance instead
< 1408656004 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1408656008 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there is a mandatory public insurance program here for on-the-job injuries
< 1408656428 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure we have very many individual private doctors. I mean, I'm sure they exist (especially individual specialists), but when I think of private healthcare, I think of a couple of big companies that provide an array of services. Basically, the same as the public clinics except with more cost and (on average?) less suck.
< 1408656433 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many (most?) employers have a corporate account with one of them. All university faculty goes to Terveystalo.com, for example.
< 1408656451 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except perhaps for dental care, for which there's mostly a number of smaller, maybe even one-doctor outfits.)
< 1408656842 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :People keep calling Terveystalo (lit. "Health house") Arvaustalo (lit. "Guessing house"), though.
< 1408657610 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle palace
< 1408657612 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
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< 1408659401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god i still can't believe that the english base university entrance on gcse results
< 1408659431 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1408659437 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like SAT in terms of: being shit
< 1408659454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you sit them when you're like— young!
< 1408659494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even doing the next two years of school for!
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< 1408659686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, well this year the standard news headline is "exam results are up overall but there has been a decline in english scores"
< 1408659720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess which subject the tory education minister picked out for particular interest?
< 1408659731 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1408659847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :his 'force schools to use only TRUE BRITISH LITERATURE' policy was a particular highlight
< 1408659876 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wouldn't be public education without nationalism.
< 1408659911 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in britain, where you're so serious about it you even imposed it in colonies :D
< 1408659952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, we're better than the french
< 1408659982 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also hitler and belgium. congrats!
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< 1408660176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you be worse than belgium
< 1408660213 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the minds of the greatest historians have deliberated on this question but have yet to find an answer
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< 1408689076 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's anyone who's tried something like document.title = undefined; because they want to set the title to the word undefined, then got confused when they tried to change it to something else
< 1408689268 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to work out (in Chromium's JS console, anyway) just fine.
< 1408689286 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or by "something else" do you mean trying to not use quotes for something else too? 
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< 1408691436 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant trying to not use quotes for something else too
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< 1408693478 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that makes more sense. I mean, I read it first as if there was some JS weirdness that, I don't know, setting it to undefined would make it not be associated with the DOM any longer and not have it affect the title when set to something else.
< 1408696633 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of spam (like yesterday): "Series of meetings have been held over the past 7 months with the secretary general of the United Nations Organization. This ended 3 days ago. It is obvious that you have not received your fund which is to the tune of $16.5million due to past corrupt Governmental Officials who almost held the fund to themselves for their selfish reason and some individuals ...
< 1408696639 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... who have taken advantage of your fund all in an attempt to swindle your fund which has led to so many losses from your end and unnecessary delay in the receipt of your fund."
< 1408696761 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION uses @sidney.k12.mt.us addresses. That's the site for the public schools at Sidney, Montana.
< 1408696792 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as the sender. For replying, they use @e-mail.ua, which sounds very legit.
< 1408696844 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We will be issuing you a custom pin based ATM card which you will use to withdraw up to $5,000 per day from any ATM machine that has the Master Card Logo on it and the card have to be renewed in 4 years time which is 2018."
< 1408696853 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just any card, one with the Master Card Logo on it!
< 1408696871 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misread. :/
< 1408696884 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just ATMs with the Master Card Logo. Perhaps my card won't even have it. :\
< 1408696958 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because we have signed a contract with FedEx which should expire by the end of september 2014 you will only need to pay $180 instead of $420 saving you $240 so if you Pay before the one week you save $240 note that any one asking you for some kind of money above the usual fee is definitely a fraudsters and you will have to stop communication with every other person if you have been in contact ...
< 1408696964 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... with any."
< 1408696966 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love these sentence structures.
< 1408696974 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Watch and learn.
< 1408696975 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's it??? cool
< 1408696998 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's that simple.
< 1408697010 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sign me up $180 is a steal
< 1408697082 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also remember that all you will ever have to spend is $180.00 nothing more! Nothing less! And we guarantee the receipt of your fund to be successfully delivered to you within the next 24hrs after the receipt of payment has been confirmed. Note: Everything has been taken care of by the Government of Cambodia,The United Nation and also the FBI and including taxes, custom paper and clearance ...
< 1408697088 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... duty so all you will ever need to pay is $180. -- reduce from the actual fee of $420 to $180 nothing more and no hidden fees of any sort!"
< 1408697091 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it certainly is.
< 1408697114 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because we are so sure of everything we are giving you a 100% money back guarantee --" what
< 1408697153 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So even if I don't get my $16.5 million, I'll at least get my money back. So there's no risk at all! 
< 1408697187 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, ask them to take the $180 from the account they are giving you.
< 1408697220 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will then be the real way of having no risk at all.
< 1408697249 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they'd have some good explanation as to how they can't touch that money before I officially receive it.
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< 1408697322 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the tone of the message, I'm a bit surprised they're not saying they'll include a free steak knife set or something if I reply within 24 hours.
< 1408697433 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to write a very careful authorization form.
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< 1408703928 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did there used to be a bot in here that could execute J?
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< 1408704402 0 :^v!?@? NICK :^v|CedarPoint
< 1408705731 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jconn".
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< 1408708375 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I watched HHHMH again. you corrupted me.
< 1408708375 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1408709535 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
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< 1408709975 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1408709976 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 26m 40s ago: I watched HHHMH again. you corrupted me.
< 1408709982 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is HHHMH
< 1408710001 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, he sneakily escaped.
< 1408710020 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1408710055 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon we'll have boily addicted to swedish novelty songs
< 1408710139 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i could remember more than those two.
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< 1408711100 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZKBe   I'm sure this is a good sign.
< 1408711248 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't "have to assume", they just don't know how to test it: bad sign.
< 1408712459 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's curious-ish because few lines earlier it's all  "checking size of short... 2"  "checking size of int... 4"
< 1408712470 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you test that when cross-compiling, incidentally? 
< 1408712605 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"undefined reference to `__imp_ntohl'" hmm.
< 1408712647 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x = 1 / (sizeof(int) - 4);  cross-compile this, if it fails the size is 4
< 1408712693 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :char x[sizeof(int)];  and then objdumping the result might be checkable if objdump has similar output for different object formats
< 1408712694 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 1 / 0 is guaranteed to fail at compile time, but right, yes, any static-assert thing will.
< 1408712701 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like negative-length arrays or whatnot.
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< 1408712756 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed  static int test_array [1 - 2 * !(((long int) (sizeof (int))) <= 0)];  is what autoconf is using.
< 1408712788 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not too familiar with pre-C11 static assertion methods
< 1408712795 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :With increasing values in place of the 0.
< 1408712828 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tries 0, 1, 3 and then compiles correctly with 7.
< 1408713070 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an attempt to cross-compile something on Linux for Windows with mingw-w64, and as far as I can figure out, the __imp_ntohl error is because libflac does  case "$host" in *-*-cygwin|*mingw*) MINGW_WINSOCK_LIBS=-lwsock32 ;;  ("only needed because of ntohl() usage, can get rid of after that's gone") but then I'm trying to link everything statically.
< 1408713096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should just resign myself to having a bundle of DLLs.
< 1408713310 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can remove a 'dllimport' somewhere
< 1408713419 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could just stick in a private ntohl, really.
< 1408713430 0 :mauris__!?@? NICK :mauris
< 1408713432 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a copout
< 1408713496 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to make "real DLLs" out of mingw that I could use on Windows, all these autotools project with --host=x86_64-w64-mingw32 generate just some libfoo.dll.a files in the installation directory.
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< 1408713662 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've made some in the past with just regular Makefiles, but all these things go with autoconf and libtool.)
< 1408714073 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replaced the ntohl with __builtin_bswap32 since I'm building this whole heap with GCC in any case.
< 1408715485 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :  --enable-speed          optimize for speed over accuracy
< 1408715485 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :  --enable-accuracy       optimize for accuracy over speed
< 1408715490 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny ./configure flags.
< 1408715500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it does with --enable-speed --enable-accuracy.
< 1408715574 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the latter
< 1408715689 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no.
< 1408715718 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC_ARG_ENABLE(accuracy, -- if test "$optimize_for" = "speed"; then optimize_for="both"; --
< 1408715736 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :if test "$optimize_for" = "both"; then AC_MSG_ERROR(cannot optimize for both speed and accuracy); fi
< 1408715740 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute.
< 1408716013 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying
< 1408716028 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you can pass --disable-speed or similar
< 1408716051 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being able to override options passed earlier is convenient
< 1408717156 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble frumble CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH is set to /some/path and there is a foo.h file there, but FIND_PATH(FOO NAMES foo.h) goes all missing: FOO.
< 1408717191 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH: Path used for searching by FIND_FILE() and FIND_PATH(). Specifies a path which will be used both by FIND_FILE() and FIND_PATH(). Both commands will check each of the contained directories for the existence of the file which is currently searched."
< 1408717195 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDGI.
< 1408717303 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same applies to CMAKE_LIBRARY_PATH and a FIND_LIBRARY call.
< 1408717377 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've verified these things with message()s before and after the FIND_PATH.
< 1408717531 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace
< 1408717722 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh.
< 1408717725 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1408717798 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the cross-compilation "CMAKE_FIND_ROOT_PATH_MODE_INCLUDE ONLY" setting, it prefixes all paths with the mingw /usr/i686-w64-mingw32/ thing.
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< 1408732221 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched a VDSL2 modem from model A to model B, and it was all for naught.
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< 1408738422 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "for naught" seems to be a synonym for "yielding horrible connection problems".
< 1408740242 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Brainfuck interpreter that also gives you a nice IDE-ish shell thingy that highlights your code and saves to a file and runs your code if you run the program without args.
< 1408740244 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408740296 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very fancy, it's just you type bf code and it gets highlighted
< 1408740318 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it gets saved to a file and run when you exit
< 1408740811 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1408740821 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should help with nethack >_>
< 1408740863 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saved to "a file"? Just any random file? 
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< 1408744885 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By setting your repositories to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view and fork your repositories."
< 1408744897 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "fork repository" include "modify the code"?
< 1408744908 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much unclear what that's supposed to mean to me
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< 1408744962 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on github? it means they make a copy which they can modify
< 1408744969 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't affect yours
< 1408745029 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1408745029 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1408745039 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "fork" is basically a copy
< 1408745043 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1408745054 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forking" doesn't grant you permission to compile the code?
< 1408745092 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uh, if you have a copy, you can compile it, no?
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< 1408745119 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you've smuggled DRM into gcc i guess
< 1408745130 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can, but are you allowed to?
< 1408745163 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Per Github ToS I allow you to "fork" my repository
< 1408745174 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't necessarily mean that I allow you to make use of my software
< 1408745284 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc their ToS somehow require that public repos are open source too, but unless you actually give the project an open-source license it somehow isn't
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< 1408745331 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1408745343 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but open source doesn't mean I don't want to sell licenses
< 1408745347 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allow people to use
< 1408745350 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1408745354 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if you see the code
< 1408745359 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to use it please pay me ;)
< 1408745433 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I intend to do that right now
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< 1408747247 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: anyone could just remove your license-checking code
< 1408747301 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to argue that you can offer source code to people but legally forbid them from compiling it in their own private time without even signing a contract, well, sorry, no.
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< 1408749811 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be considered as true that:  A Turing machine halts if and only if it is provable that it halts.
< 1408749823 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It looks like it to me!)
< 1408750026 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You shall defend GitHub against any claim, demand, suit or proceeding made or brought against GitHub by a third-party alleging that Your Content, or Your use of the Service in violation of this Agreement, infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property rights of a third-party or violates applicable law, and shall indemnify GitHub for any damages finally awarded against, and for ...
< 1408750032 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... reasonable attorney’s fees incurred by, GitHub in connection with any such claim, demand, suit or proceeding; provided [some conditions]."
< 1408750035 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that was in there.
< 1408750087 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's basically a question of whether your proof system is omega-consistent
< 1408750098 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is, then yes, but otherwise, maybe not.
< 1408750196 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it is strong enough to test any TM for an arbitrary number of steps.
< 1408750197 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
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< 1408750228 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it looks to me is that if it is halting, then one possible proof must consist of showing that the initial state implies the next state and so on until you finally reach the halting state, therefore the initial state implies the halting state therefore it halts; another way would be for the halting state to be an axiom and the initial state to be a theorem, so the possible previous states of a state are theorems made up from the previous theor
< 1408750342 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the problem is in the other direction, if it doesn't halt but your proof system says there exists an n such that it halts after n steps but doesn't (since it obviously cannot) actually give you the n.
< 1408750382 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case then it seems that the proof system is not corresponding to Turing machines then.
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< 1408784756 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :build a reversed trie? :D
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< 1408797675 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fizzie, to answer your question about my bf highlighter thing from yesterday, you can specify a file to save the code into.
< 1408797997 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pasteboard.co/2uPkjgiP.png also here's a sample program highlighted.
< 1408798074 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :highlights are brighter in loops :D
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< 1408798315 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan.
< 1408798863 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :høily
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< 1408810119 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ??
< 1408810120 0 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:120b:c3de:7aa0:296c:1f35:8f12:9f33 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1408810120 0 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:120b:c3de:7aa0:296c:1f35:8f12:9f33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1562366s
< 1408810130 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1408810136 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? just asks for the version string wth
< 1408810136 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : just asks for the version string wth
< 1408810143 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 5
< 1408810144 0 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:120b:c3de:7aa0:296c:1f35:8f12:9f33 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5
< 1408810144 0 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:120b:c3de:7aa0:296c:1f35:8f12:9f33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s
< 1408810147 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq ??
< 1408810147 0 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:120b:c3de:7aa0:296c:1f35:8f12:9f33 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Burlesque - 1.7.2b"
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< 1408810156 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1408810185 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsqbot please do quit
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< 1408818909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:RISBF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40317&oldid=40316 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+122) 10
< 1408818929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wordfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40318&oldid=37556 5* 03173.17.62.235 5* (+113) 10Added a Python conversion tool I made this morning.
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< 1408819229 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wordfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40319&oldid=40318 5* 03173.17.62.235 5* (+664) 10
< 1408819361 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking that should use word ngrams to bias the word selection to be more reasonable.
< 1408819401 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think I'm going to have to write that, though probably tomorrow.
< 1408819671 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those programs aren't even syntactically valid english? Weak.
< 1408819729 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what disappointed me too.
< 1408819844 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://www.cs.jhu.edu/~sam/ccs243-mason.pdf)
< 1408820000 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Placement14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40320 5* 03173.17.62.235 5* (+774) 10Created page with "'''Placement''' is a programming language designed to be unusable to people who aren't at one of Earth's poles. The interpreter is connected to a GPS and accepts only three co..."
< 1408820109 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Placement14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40321&oldid=40320 5* 03173.17.62.235 5* (+0) 10
< 1408820173 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A literal turning tarpit. I like it
< 1408820205 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wordfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40322&oldid=40319 5* 03173.17.62.235 5* (-1) 10
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< 1408820882 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm imagining someone traveling around the world in order to make a Hello World! Placement program.
< 1408820902 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a Placement shell of course
< 1408820909 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1408820992 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For best performance, use a stop-the-world collector
< 1408821380 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, just got a new version of https://github.com/TieSoul/RubyFunge out. Now fingerprints are actually implemented in a sensible manner and it's much easier to add more fingerprints.
< 1408821419 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I learned about attr_accessors
< 1408821429 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes the ip.rb file much much shorter
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< 1408823663 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bicyclidine
< 1408823710 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :h
< 1408823769 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/h/hi
< 1408823774 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1408823775 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1408823800 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's another chat in which there's a bot that uses that
< 1408823804 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in
< 1408823810 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :another chat I'm in
< 1408823820 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in another chat you're in?
< 1408823824 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it was this one and it's gone now
< 1408823829 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408823832 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1408823837 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in another chat I'm in.
< 1408823939 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.4-dev
< 1408823967 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1408824125 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408824307 0 :variable!?@? NICK :constant
< 1408824353 0 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408824887 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408825493 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Wordfuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40323 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+287) 10Converter bug report
< 1408825498 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope that reaches the author.
< 1408825553 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1408826089 0 :mauris__!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:6817:fa38:5c15:4083 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408826223 0 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:6817:fa38:5c15:4083 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408826458 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wordfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40324&oldid=40322 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+1500) 10/* Sample Hello World program */ There can never be too many helloes.
< 1408826708 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408827642 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the Magic: the Gathering card that in one version of the rules it tries to phase in but can't, and in another version it does phase out and in normally?
< 1408827689 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408828034 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1408828393 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408828537 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1408829001 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408829406 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408829747 0 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408829943 0 :mauris__!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:6817:fa38:5c15:4083 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1408831222 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Wordfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40325&oldid=40323 5* 03173.17.62.235 5* (+212) 10
< 1408831358 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wordfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40326&oldid=40324 5* 03173.17.62.235 5* (+4) 10
< 1408831412 0 :heroux!sandroco@50708355.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1408831906 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408831910 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wordfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40327&oldid=40326 5* 03173.17.62.235 5* (+0) 10fixed converter
< 1408832191 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCursion14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40328&oldid=40296 5* 03212.95.7.162 5* (+27) 10/* Computational class */ no need for '('
< 1408833368 0 :mauris__!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408833533 0 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408833636 0 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408833776 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1408833953 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408833965 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1408834556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408834841 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408835498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408835856 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408835884 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo (\f -> do { old <- get; val <- f; set old})
< 1408835885 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ f -> get >>= \ old -> f >>= \ val -> set old)
< 1408835895 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww
< 1408835905 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1408835909 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo (\f -> do { old <- get; val <- f; set old; return val})
< 1408835910 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ f -> get >>= \ old -> f >>= \ val -> set old >> return val)
< 1408835917 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That did not make it any less eww.
< 1408835986 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl undo (\f -> do { old <- get; val <- f; set old; return val})
< 1408835987 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(get >>=) . (. ((. return) . (>>) . set)) . (>>=)
< 1408836011 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's very clear.
< 1408836100 0 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1408836108 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f -> (get <* f) <>>= set    (it uses a <>>= which I have made up for this purpose)
< 1408836123 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no that's not it either
< 1408836265 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f -> snd <$> (liftPair (get, f) <>>= set . fst)     (is that it???)
< 1408836309 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t liftPair
< 1408836310 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘liftPair’
< 1408836523 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftPair (x, y) = liftA2 (,) x y;    --or--    a <*> b = (\(x, y) -> x y) <$> liftPair (a, b);
< 1408836546 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408836565 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a <>>= b = a >>= \x -> x <$ b x;
< 1408836593 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<>>=)
< 1408836594 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘<>>=’
< 1408836594 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1408836594 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘>>=’ (imported from Control.Monad.Writer),
< 1408836601 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<<>=)
< 1408836603 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MonadState s m, Monoid r) => LensLike' ((,) r) s r -> r -> m r
< 1408836686 0 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408836772 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can see, <<>= is not the one I meant, clearly
< 1408836876 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall your operator from earlier
< 1408836892 0 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1408837173 0 :mauris__!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408837194 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zoom
< 1408837195 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Zoom m n s t, Control.Lens.Internal.Zoom.Zoomed n ~ Control.Lens.Internal.Zoom.Zoomed m) => LensLike' (Control.Lens.Internal.Zoom.Zoomed m c) t s -> m c -> n c
< 1408837985 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408838135 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \t f g -> getCompose . t (Compose . fmap f . g)
< 1408838137 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘getCompose’
< 1408838137 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor ‘Compose’
< 1408838140 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff
< 1408838422 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing as a filesystem module for SQL?
< 1408838449 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So that you can load it using CREATE VIRTUAL TABLE and then use SELECT to list files, UPDATE to rename files, etc)
< 1408838691 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. getCompose.
< 1408838707 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408838763 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1408838796 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \g s -> s <$ g s -- is this a legal traversal?  it breaks the first _lens_ law, of course.
< 1408838798 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> f b) -> a -> f a
< 1408838825 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let ignoreResult g s = s <$ g s
< 1408838829 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1408838892 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> zoom ignoreResult f
< 1408838894 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Zoom m n t t, Functor (Control.Lens.Internal.Zoom.Zoomed m c), Control.Lens.Internal.Zoom.Zoomed n ~ Control.Lens.Internal.Zoom.Zoomed m) => m c -> n c
< 1408838913 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the reason that Data.Functor.* are not used by \-bot is that the imports are based on mtl, not transformers.
< 1408838914 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408838915 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's essentially Sgeo's function
< 1408838982 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408839002 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in spirit.
< 1408839112 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am uncertain what fmap (t f) . t g ≡ getCompose . t (Compose . fmap f . g)
< 1408839133 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :really means, and if t = ignoreResult satisfies it.
< 1408839162 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1408839185 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ignoreResult pure
< 1408839186 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => b -> f b
< 1408839209 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cannot really be anything other than pure, so the first traversal law holds
< 1408839216 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can view it as morally t (fmap f . g) I think
< 1408839220 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just using functor composition
< 1408839248 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would become (\s -> fmap (s <$) (g s)) I think
< 1408839283 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um where did the f go
< 1408839431 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\t f g -> getCompose . t (Compose . fmap f . g) <-- the point of Compose is that every use of fmap in 't' on the argument becomes fmap . fmap instead.
< 1408839491 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap (t f) (t g s) = fmap (t f) (s <$ g s) = t f s <$ g s,  i think
< 1408839567 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getCompose (t (Compose . fmap f . g) s) = getCompose (s <$ Compose (fmap f (g s)))
< 1408839573 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anything known about 't'?
< 1408839598 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: t h s = s <$ h s, t = ignoreResult above
< 1408839680 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := fmap (fmap (const s)) (fmap f (g s))  if i understood int-e correctly
< 1408839735 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := fmap (fmap (const s) . f) (g s)
< 1408839806 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := fmap (\s' -> s <$ f s') (g s)
< 1408839878 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not convinced that's the same as (s <$ f s) <$ g s
< 1408839932 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with q n = [1..n :: Int], fmap (t q) . t q $ 2 == [[2,2],[2,2]] while getCompose . t (Compose . fmap q . q) $ 2 == [[2],[2,2]]
< 1408840064 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1408840070 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1408840238 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s = 2; g n = [1..n] in fmap (fmap (const s) . f) (g s)
< 1408840239 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr (f a0))
< 1408840240 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_121’
< 1408840240 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr (f a),
< 1408840240 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   GHC.Num.Num b,
< 1408840240 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   GHC.Base.Functor f)
< 1408840263 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1408840277 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s = 2; q n = [1..n] in fmap (fmap (const s) . q) (q s)
< 1408840279 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[2],[2,2]]
< 1408840302 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s = 2; q n = [1..n] in (s <$ q s) <$ q s
< 1408840304 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[2,2],[2,2]]
< 1408840316 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least my simplifications give the same thing
< 1408840347 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things
< 1408840347 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically the traversal laws are like the functor laws
< 1408840352 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pure one is identity and this one is composition
< 1408840369 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1408840433 0 :Zuu!?@? NICK :Puntastic
< 1408840478 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let q n = [1..n] in (q (q 2), q (map (const 2) (q 2)))
< 1408840480 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show b0)
< 1408840480 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of ‘M124707236027649399331234.show_M1247072360276493993...
< 1408840480 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous
< 1408840480 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances:
< 1408840480 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   instance [safe] GHC.Show.Show
< 1408840493 0 :mauris__!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408840496 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let q n = [1..n] in (map q (q 2), map q (map (const 2) (q 2)))
< 1408840498 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([[1],[1,2]],[[1,2],[1,2]])
< 1408840639 0 :Puntastic!?@? NICK :Zuu
< 1408840683 0 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408842254 0 :mauris__!?@? NICK :mauris
< 1408842517 0 :xeedlog01!~xeedlog01@cpe-065-191-109-108.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408842569 0 :xeedlog01!~xeedlog01@cpe-065-191-109-108.nc.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408842627 0 :xeedlog01!~xeedlog01@cpe-065-191-109-108.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408842897 0 :xeedlog01!~xeedlog01@cpe-065-191-109-108.nc.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408843394 0 :xeedlog01!~xeedlog01@cpe-065-191-109-108.nc.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408845438 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cork14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40329&oldid=40314 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+81) 10fmt
< 1408845510 0 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1408845824 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCursion14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40330&oldid=40328 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+12) 10fmt
< 1408845906 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCursion14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40331&oldid=40330 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+25) 10missed two, also spellling
< 1408846229 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin
< 1408847039 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a part of a compiler with many optimizations; what else I want to do is to make something to reorder the instructions in the way that can cause the optimization to be improved.
< 1408847636 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
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< 1408847897 0 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408849650 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@2601:7:2480:283:223:12ff:fe1b:3213 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1408851269 0 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408851453 0 :mauris__!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1408855246 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've known this would be taken already. XD
< 1408855268 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Numberwang_%28brainfuck_derivative%29
< 1408855953 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's numberwang!
< 1408858731 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1408858891 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408859031 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe
< 1408859086 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been invited to a programming challenge to try and come up with the best sample code built with the original Dartmouth BASIC. Though I might try an esolang, but Dartmouth only supports numeric input.
< 1408859381 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408859640 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are numeric esolang too.
< 1408860592 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implement bancstar
< 1408861259 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just made up a new kind of poker game. It is: Each player gets five cards. Each player expose a card, and then bet, and then can discard/draw, expose another card, bet, deal a community card, discard/draw, expose, bet, discard/draw, expose, bet, showdown.
< 1408861343 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you expose you can choose which card to expose, and when you discard/draw you can choose none or up to all of your unexposed cards to discard, and draw replacements. If there is four players then it is not allowed to discard all of your unexposed cards at once (but once one player is eliminated, it is then allowed).
< 1408862309 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ... if ever you wanted further proof of the evils of the banking industry, one need only look at their programming software ...
< 1408862653 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408862763 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BANCSTAR does not look to be *that* bad for its intended application. There are some problems, such as lack of documentation, limitations in the number of strings/variables (this could be fixed by making a 32-bit version of BANCSTAR), the file format (no comments or macros are possible), and the hard-coded data formats
< 1408863739 0 :mauris_!~mauris@2a02:1810:4d0d:7e00:cc4f:ef2c:281d:f6e6 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408864969 0 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408865005 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1408867712 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.47.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1408869010 0 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1408870659 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40332&oldid=40275 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+0) 10Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.22.9, start thinking about 1.23.
< 1408872205 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1408875655 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408878395 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408878407 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, DootBot is my bot :P
< 1408878407 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: DOOT DOOT!
< 1408878431 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bot/creation
< 1408878431 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: Yay, Dootcreation is my creation :P
< 1408878435 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1408878438 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dootcreation
< 1408878438 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: DOOT DOOT!
< 1408878468 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408878483 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais
< 1408878493 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a chat bot :P
< 1408878520 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called DootBot.
< 1408878520 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: DOOT DOOT!
< 1408878537 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it compare to fungot?
< 1408878542 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very well
< 1408878549 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do s/regex/replacement though
< 1408878555 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having it recognize unterminated s/// expressions and then be both case-insensitive and global by default is rather dubious.
< 1408878571 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/very
< 1408878572 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: very very well
< 1408878586 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dubious/genius
< 1408878586 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: fizzie actually meant: Having it recognize unterminated s/// expressions and then be both case-insensitive and global by default is rather genius.
< 1408878591 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not supposed to be "s/regex/replacement", it's supposed to be "s/regex/replacement/".
< 1408878597 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1408878608 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably change that then
< 1408878613 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408878648 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the implementation seems to be more akin to s/regex/replacement/ig. Though I'm sure it's mostly going to be the Perlists that complain.
< 1408878680 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, off to a thing. ->
< 1408878754 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408878757 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1408878762 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see if it still works
< 1408878769 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/see/try/
< 1408878769 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: lemme try if it still works
< 1408878777 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/try/see/
< 1408878777 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: lemme see if it still works
< 1408878780 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1408878784 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it still works
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< 1408878901 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty replacements didn't work just now.
< 1408878905 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/replacements//
< 1408878906 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: empty  didn't work just now.
< 1408878912 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they do
< 1408878966 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/  / replacements /
< 1408878966 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: empty replacements didn't work just now.
< 1408878981 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay enough testing
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< 1408879398 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1408879560 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(?{die})how/why/
< 1408879582 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not implementing Perl regexes correctly
< 1408879583 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately
< 1408879870 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b a b A
< 1408879873 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a/c/
< 1408879873 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fizzie actually meant: c b c b c
< 1408879880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still case-insensitive and global, I see.
< 1408879937 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still gone, too.)
< 1408880016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test 1
< 1408880018 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/1/2/
< 1408880018 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ais523 actually meant: test 2
< 1408880022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/1/2/s/1/3//
< 1408880023 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ais523 actually meant: te1t 2
< 1408880035 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring :-(
< 1408880143 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses Ruby's Regexp.new(string) for regexes, I don't see why s/(?{die})how/why/ didn't get accepted.
< 1408880242 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives an error: Undefined group option: /(?{die})how/i
< 1408880254 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that mean
< 1408880317 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the (?{}) option is for running arbitrary Perl embedded into a regex
< 1408880320 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet relay slashes
< 1408880330 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1408880340 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not surprising that Ruby, not wanting to carry a whole Perl interpreter, doesn't implement it
< 1408880348 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1408880348 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "die" would cause the bot to break the connection if it ran
< 1408880357 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1408880372 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40333&oldid=39370 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+7128) 10Okay, as no one said anything I'll assume you like it.
< 1408880383 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus demonstrating the vulnerability without anyone being able to exploit it
< 1408880753 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, Perl is pretty much immune to that sort of situation nowadays, because that feature requires a pragma to be in scope to work if the expression to evaluate isn't hardcoded
< 1408880881 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw
< 1408880883 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!commands
< 1408880883 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands for me: http://pastebin.com/gs35MvVb
< 1408881119 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I did some maintenance on C-INTERCAL recently
< 1408881130 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automake's a Red Queen situation, you have to keep moving just to stay still
< 1408881421 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408881440 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408881441 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to test some stuff for DootBot now
< 1408881441 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: DOOT DOOT!
< 1408881451 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408881479 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1408881483 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!clearlogs
< 1408881524 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1408881535 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408881577 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408881581 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1408881591 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408881596 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408881704 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408881803 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1408881804 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408881810 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1408881812 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!clearlogs
< 1408881874 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408881922 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408882094 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408882108 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408882321 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408882339 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408882359 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408882370 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about all the reconnecting
< 1408882376 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408882464 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408882649 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408882734 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408882741 0 :mauris_!~mauris@122.186-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408882751 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408882893 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408883051 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I'm gonna test something
< 1408883053 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408883054 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log since connection: http://pastebin.com/5BpjUM6T
< 1408883066 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/test/not test/
< 1408883066 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: alright, I'm gonna not test something
< 1408883068 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408883068 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log since connection: http://pastebin.com/xnyvruWd
< 1408883076 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay good
< 1408883625 0 :mauris_!?@? NICK :mauris
< 1408883897 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408884976 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408886403 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Feather14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40334&oldid=35254 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+283) 10Make the IRC text easier to read; turn on wrapping.(PS: Sounds like Forth)
< 1408886535 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will have been Forth all along!
< 1408886580 0 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408886624 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is /not/ a good time for me to think about Feather
< 1408886630 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I've been thinking about scapegoat recently
< 1408886696 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHAAAAAHAAA*CACK*COUGH**
< 1408886725 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh. That actually does remind me why I never managed to get into Smalltalk either ...
< 1408886737 0 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1408886824 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> (write ominously about self in third person (also, we could really do with an explanation/warning here, rather than the previous inadequate explanation); horizontal scrolling left in to deter casual readers)
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< 1408898927 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1408898929 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408898945 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1408898947 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
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< 1408899055 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try that again
< 1408899056 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408899057 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Log: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/d457e6cbc5e60e0d409c/raw/01cff627f53f11b40335857776d783911950e9b4/a.rb
< 1408899063 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works
< 1408899096 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the order of posts is all wrong
< 1408899097 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408899098 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Log: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/d6958c1ab0a0550f3ae1/raw/ec7353855a3e65c4815355f0596ffba5c71e74d7/a.rb
< 1408899127 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, we'll see.
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< 1408899730 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know we already have logbots, right? :p
< 1408899731 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408899744 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's an appropriate use of gists.
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< 1408899808 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know but pastebin has a limit
< 1408899819 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm too lazy to find an alternative
< 1408899838 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1408899860 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1408899879 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40333&oldid=39370 holy crap
< 1408899883 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be a better way to do this than that
< 1408899924 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are bots that use sprunge.us for (overlong) replies; it's easy to use, doesn't have any particular limits that I know of, and expires pastes so that they don't clutter up things for the rest of time.
< 1408899963 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what on earth value people find in BF syntax highlighting of individual instructions

< 1408900002 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holy HTML, Batman."
< 1408900023 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like there's probably some css insanity that could be used to make that less shitty looking
< 1408900027 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (bug 45020) Make preferences "Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist" and "pages and files I edit" true by default.
< 1408900030 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (bug 45022) Make preference "Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed" true by default.
< 1408900033 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1408900037 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo
< 1408900048 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds       fun
< 1408900049 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that in the changelog.
< 1408900058 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wondered whether it affects existing accounts.
< 1408900061 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they're doing that for Wikipedia.
< 1408900080 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next wikimedia fundraiser: "please give us enough to buy ten mail servers"
< 1408900100 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please give us enough to buy a spam botnet"
< 1408900104 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You can relax for a while, it's a 1.23 change and not yet in.
< 1408900282 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf, the watchlist change is probably good enough for small wikis, just not the email one
< 1408900520 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408900569 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also re BF syntax highlighting of individual instructions, it can make it more obvious if you've accidentally included an instruction in a comment.
< 1408900578 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408900669 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody have a list of esolangs and their corresponding file extension(s)?
< 1408900691 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work them into an ESOSC recommendation
< 1408900811 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can feed me languages and I'll output file extensions.
< 1408900827 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, but different colours?
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< 1408900860 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can see highlighting [] differently and non-instructions differently. but highlighting +- differently from <> differently from ,. seems a little silly.
< 1408901228 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a true.
< 1408901244 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess maybe you can see contiguous sequences more clearly? It's a pretty marginal benefit.
< 1408901332 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Codu logs are still down :-(
< 1408901881 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie, would you happen to know how to use sprunge in Ruby?
< 1408902117 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the logging function is mainly for another chat DootBot's in.
< 1408902117 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: DOOT DOOT!
< 1408902660 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mime-types'll probably be application/x.esolang-brainfuck
< 1408902675 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because x doesn't require registration
< 1408902936 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could run a file extension finder through the esoteric file archive
< 1408903107 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxx-brainfuck
< 1408903511 0 :mauris_!~mauris@122.186-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408903656 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/0FHZnZfa
< 1408903662 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- extensions in the git erpo
< 1408903663 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*repo
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< 1408904245 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I don't really know about Ruby, but sprunge needs a single POST request, so any generic HTTP client should make it p. easy.
< 1408904297 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"application/x.foo" seems weird, aren't those usually "application/x-foo"? 
< 1408904425 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The "standard" (recommended) file extension for Befunge-98 is .b98. There's probably not a well-established extension for {Une,Tre}funge-98 files.
< 1408904469 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think x- is deprecated
< 1408904565 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: PyFunge has used .u98 and .t98 for auto-detecting dimensionality (and CCBI's test suite has used .t98)
< 1408904565 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288#section-3.4
< 1408904581 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen a .t98 file somewhere.
< 1408904610 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Well, that doesn't exactly prefer x. over x-.
< 1408904667 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1408904671 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it discourages x. and x-
< 1408904674 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in favor of prs.
< 1408904681 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but prs. requires a registration
< 1408904706 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1408904707 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But it doesn't encourage "x." over "x-", just allows it "for convenience and symmetry" with the vnd. and prs. trees.
< 1408904712 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try register a mime type
< 1408904736 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever seen a "x." subtype, and there are none in my mime.types list, but there are 247 types with the "x-" prefix.
< 1408904798 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :including "esolang-" in the MIME types is inappropriate.
< 1408904843 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some random Swedish guy has registered an audio/prs.sid type.
< 1408904897 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably
< 1408905002 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/prs.esolang.brainfuck?
< 1408905006 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound much better :)
< 1408905040 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:EOF14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40335&oldid=19996 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+799) 10The devil is in the details.
< 1408905164 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: application/multiparadigm-c++
< 1408905178 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/concatenative-factor
< 1408905189 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/procedural-c
< 1408905193 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can see the problem here
< 1408905211 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1408905227 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/x-brainfuck is my recommendation
< 1408905227 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stupid.
< 1408905240 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@application/proce...
< 1408905240 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1408905250 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-brainfucking-brainfuck
< 1408905281 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648 deprecates x-
< 1408905314 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also deprecates x.
< 1408905316 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1408905317 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1408905319 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1408905447 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only non-deprecated official possibility is application/prs.eso
< 1408905448 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in MIME types too?
< 1408905455 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and than we own every sub-type within prs.eso
< 1408905457 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that RFC would have you use application/brainfuck instead.
< 1408905460 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e application/prs.eso.brainfuck
< 1408905482 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but that requires registration of every esolang :)
< 1408905484 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe.)
< 1408905489 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no. you misunderstand the point of the RFC
< 1408905512 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1408905514 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not "eliminate unregistered names", it is "eliminate the textual distinction between registered and unregistered names".
< 1408905521 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AIUI.)
< 1408905552 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or example:
< 1408905554 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for
< 1408905557 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   3.  Does not recommend against the practice of private, local,
< 1408905557 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       preliminary, experimental, or implementation-specific parameters,
< 1408905557 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       only against the use of "X-" and similar constructs in the names
< 1408905557 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       of such parameters.
< 1408905559 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   4.  Makes no recommendation as to whether existing "X-" parameters
< 1408905562 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ought to remain in use or be migrated to a format without the
< 1408905564 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       "X-"; this is a matter for the creators or maintainers of those
< 1408905567 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       parameters.
< 1408905616 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Creators of new parameters to be used in the context of application
< 1408905616 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   protocols:
< 1408905616 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   1.  SHOULD assume that all parameters they create might become
< 1408905616 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       standardized, public, commonly deployed, or usable across
< 1408905616 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       multiple implementations.
< 1408905618 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   2.  SHOULD employ meaningful parameter names that they have reason to
< 1408905621 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       believe are currently unused.
< 1408905624 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   3.  SHOULD NOT prefix their parameter names with "X-" or similar
< 1408905626 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :       constructs.
< 1408905634 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intent is clear: use application/brainfuck, whether registered or not
< 1408905642 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1408905651 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of the registration process then?
< 1408905678 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the purpose of describing protocols that are already in use in an RFC?
< 1408905689 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is dependent wholly on your opinion of standardisation.
< 1408905700 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :who describes protocol already in use in an RFC?
< 1408905705 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff is usually used before it becomes standardised; existing protocols are the root of RFCs.
< 1408905711 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: um... everyone.
< 1408905730 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFCs generally do not describe protocols nobody has used in practice.
< 1408905780 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not using an esolang- prefix however, could lead to collisions with existing mime types
< 1408905786 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that an RFC like the one you linked, coming later than RFCs it contradicts and being about deprecation, is obviously intended to reflect changed beliefs and intent
< 1408905810 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang- is as inappropriate as concatenative- and multiparadigm-. the classification as an esolang is subjective metadata
< 1408905830 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should at least google for MIME types to see if they're used for other things before using them, of course
< 1408905837 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what the point of all of this is though.)
< 1408905874 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1408906093 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/x-D
< 1408906250 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm working towards something like codepad for esolangs
< 1408906335 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :incl. an API through which you can submit files and the language is detected based on the MIME-Type
< 1408906339 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's the plan :)
< 1408906499 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that RFC6648 "Does not override existing specifications that legislate the use of "X-" for particular application protocols" does make it sound like you should at least attempt to follow the RFCs specifically about MIME types, such as RFC6838, which (a) deprecate "x-" and "x." to reflect the ideas of RFC6648, and (b) provide the faceted trees like vnd. for "media types associated with ...
< 1408906505 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... publicly available products", and prs. for "media types created experimentally or as part of products that are not distributed commercially".
< 1408906508 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though clearly the concept of brainfuck source code is not associated with any particular product (either commercial or non-), and application/brainfuck should be the "correct" MIME type for it.
< 1408906512 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I'm not sure what the MIME type is for. If it's going to be used strictly internally within the system, you can use the x. tree for "private, local environments".
< 1408906521 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. Brainfuck belongs into the standards tree
< 1408906548 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't that mean legislating "x-something" for some specific value of something?
< 1408906555 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was under the impression that it's discouraged to just invent a mime-type on your own in the standard tree
< 1408906585 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it seems like a rather ineffectual RFC if it doesn't override things that said to use x- in the past
< 1408906675 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408906687 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The example it mentions ("the "x-name" token in [RFC5545]") that it's not overriding is not for a specific value of something, since it just reserves all "X-" in that context "for experimental use".
< 1408906705 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1408906714 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe the intention is that individual protocols should update themselves to follow the RFC6648 practices as they see fit.
< 1408906744 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sigh

< 1408906748 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that'll ever happen
< 1408907157 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can get out the list of later documents referring to 6648 itself from the system somehow. Neither of the rfc-editor.org or tools.ietf.org sites make that obvious.
< 1408907166 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the graph, since they've cross-linked the references.
< 1408907255 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is just downloading all the RFCs is a thing you can do?
< 1408907258 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't be that big
< 1408907282 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was an officially sanctioned bulk download way.
< 1408907326 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/mini-index   best page
< 1408907341 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esp. with visited links indicated in different color.
< 1408907350 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it your goal to turn the whole page red.
< 1408907408 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a good table.
< 1408907413 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming it'd be a list with titles.
< 1408907414 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are some numbers unused
< 1408907433 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: classified
< 1408907459 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only O5's are allowed to view rfc 0
< 1408907471 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The gaps in the biggest numbers probably reflect some sort of a queue somewhere, but I don't know about the middle gaps.
< 1408907492 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you navigate to them, it just says "RFC X was never issued."
< 1408907512 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not a suspicious reply at all, no.
< 1408907514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they were rejected?
< 1408907537 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the numbers are used for things other than RFCs
< 1408907566 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely firmly believing that RFCs are just a front for the SCP Foundation now. it makes too much sense
< 1408907591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they could be secret too like you mention
< 1408907600 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :rfc-editor's index also includes those numbers but says "Not Issued".
< 1408907657 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rfc truthers?
< 1408907705 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a short list of RFC numbers that were issued to documents that were never actually published. This explains the occasional gap between numbers. The current procedures are set up to try very hard to avoid this situation in the future; in particular, RFC numbers are never reserved, rather they are assigned at the last moment in the editorial process."
< 1408907706 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obama was part of the OSI stack?
< 1408907716 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the official explanation for the sheeple, of course.
< 1408907717 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for the early ones I believe that institutions reserved IDs in advance, but some were then never released. But I thought that changes after a couple of years from the first RFC to not reserve a number in advance of publication.
< 1408907748 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't published because they were too dangerous.
< 1408907783 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the government deleted them...
< 1408907787 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still some gaps even up there in quite high numbers, ones that are not in the "short list".
< 1408907799 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tp fn=husein ln=obama
< 1408907855 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those numbers are even not in the rfc-editor's list, they're just left out completely.
< 1408907951 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like 6523, 6524.)
< 1408907998 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Authors' Final Review (AUTH48 State): Once an RFC has been edited [and given a number] and is ready for publication, the author(s) are given "48 hours" (in practice, this often stretches over weeks) to look over their document for errors, editorial and otherwise."
< 1408908018 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the late missing numbers are just cases of having very long 48 hours.
< 1408908945 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: an edit to a user page makes it start with an h2 tag 
< 1408908950 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- wtf?
< 1408908962 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Feuermonster14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40336&oldid=33225 5* 03Feuermonster 5* (+111) 10+ url.
< 1408908966 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1408908967 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1408908968 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1408909070 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Feuermonster14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40337&oldid=40336 5* 03Feuermonster 5* (+26) 10/* Others */  My mirror is deprecated
< 1408909076 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP is everywhere, it seems
< 1408909090 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1408909097 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wikidump mirror is up and running again though
< 1408909814 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't afford to keep a 10day backup
< 1408909820 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 0.5GB
< 1408909828 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to tune it down to 6days
< 1408910184 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically this is a huge DoS vulnerability for my server
< 1408910197 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you smuggle me a 40GB file to download my server will crash
< 1408910658 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep that in mind.
< 1408910697 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't think the number of days matters terribly much, as long as it won't throw away old files if it can't download a new one.)
< 1408910773 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1408910781 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The schedule does not need to be uniform if you want to balance both temporal coverage and freshness, but that's getting quite fancy.)
< 1408910906 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my script just deletes files that are older than a threshold :)
< 1408911089 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1408911125 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could extend it to not delete files if there aren't at least 3 left
< 1408911326 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody knows how to achieve that with shellscript :)
< 1408911346 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with wc ore something
< 1408911573 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1408911653 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I do `foo | wc -l` > 4?
< 1408911655 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with bash?
< 1408911669 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [ `foo | wc -l` -gt 4 ] isn't exactly working
< 1408911771 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be correct, and it works in my (albeit brief) test.
< 1408911822 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1408911828 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/dUfj
< 1408911864 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "yes | head -n N" is just a silly way to get something with N lines.
< 1408912114 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you can store them incrementally
< 1408912117 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., with rdiff-backup or something
< 1408912129 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no SQL module for listing files?
< 1408912138 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day is like a few kilobytes at most
< 1408912143 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to duplicate everything
< 1408912153 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is then probably it can do some of these things at least; with more extensions it can do more.
< 1408912293 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 6 days back should be enough
< 1408912301 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've now even added a safety guard
< 1408912305 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still wasting tons of space.
< 1408912317 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't delete old stuff if it couldn't download new stuff
< 1408912329 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no reason to keep more than one day, really, anyway.
< 1408912338 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo an admin going on a deletion spree
< 1408912340 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5GB? That's a few ounces of space
< 1408912354 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5GB is 25% of my total space
< 1408912359 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :total available
< 1408912448 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should change my hoster someday
< 1408912458 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's utterly overpriced for 300MB RAM and 4GB diskspace
< 1408912469 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :today you can get triple that for half the money
< 1408912471 0 :Tod-Autojoined!?@? NICK :TodPunk
< 1408912472 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5GB is not 25% of 4GB, though.
< 1408912484 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1408912486 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1408912489 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4/0.5
< 1408912490 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.0
< 1408912494 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1408912496 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 12.5
< 1408912501 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mathz
< 1408912513 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck hard at math
< 1408912554 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hard i have an A in discrete mathematics and cryptography
< 1408912594 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means those courses are really, really, really, easy
< 1408912598 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the worst set up to a humblebrag, dude.
< 1408912614 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :humblebrag?
< 1408912630 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you just did.
< 1408912630 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "humblebrag" even a real word?
< 1408912632 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how well rdiff-backup reverse-diffs would work without uncompressing the dump. It can internally compress the increments, but I don't think it can deal with changing compressed files terribly well. I mean, it's no zsync.
< 1408912637 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic.
< 1408912666 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just meant to say: Getting an A around here is incredibly easy and doesn't say shit about your skill 
< 1408912701 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is on the internet, at least.
< 1408912718 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant uncompressing the dump, yeah. (can you use zsync to restore old revisions? I guess you must be able to)
< 1408912733 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of the class got an A on their bachelor thesis
< 1408912743 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're really handing those A's out in masses 
< 1408912808 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't see anything about that use case on its page, but I think it should work in theory.
< 1408912823 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I mean can the tool do it.
< 1408913420 0 :mauris_!?@? NICK :mauris
< 1408913615 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It probably can if it's being compressed with gzip --rsyncable at least.
< 1408913913 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder if "gzip --rsyncable" is just the usual rolling-hash-N-bits-zero kind of thing, or something else.
< 1408913976 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it just resets at fixed offsets, but that doesn't sound like it'd help if the small change is an addition or deletion inside the file.
< 1408914338 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the former, apparently.
< 1408914366 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that a new option? man gzip doesn't document that here
< 1408914380 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not part of upstream gzip at all, it seems.
< 1408914385 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian includes it as a patch.
< 1408914402 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the debian man page lacks info on it
< 1408914413 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine does document it. Perhaps it's new.
< 1408914429 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wheezy?
< 1408914434 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip (1.6-1) unstable; urgency=low; * restore rsyncable docs to man page, closes: #688305
< 1408914437 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :jessie.
< 1408914438 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :--help has it, but man doesn't
< 1408914439 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1408914469 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, what are you trying to do?
< 1408914507 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in particular, this was just about archiving the esolang wiki backups.
< 1408914523 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1408914624 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I should look into adding incrementals to my own weekly scheduled esowiki backup also, currently it's just a rsync + mysqldump overwriting the local copy.)
< 1408914678 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I still think you should offer the complete mysqldump signed by/encrypted to yourself.
< 1408914696 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way handover is a lot easier if something horrible happens.
< 1408914717 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can restore the full wiki elsewhere even if the hosting provider goes totally down.
< 1408914809 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfs is a strange file system on Linux. It does a lot of stuff on it's own. I was reading up on how disk quotas work under Linux. There seem to be two cases: xfs, and all other (supported) file systems. Same goes for file attributes.
< 1408914812 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And many other things
< 1408914896 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll think about that too, though if it's horrible enough to wipe the triplicate copies I have stored locally, there's perhaps no reason to assume I'll be around to open any encrypted files either.
< 1408914967 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the Long Now Foundation could help in some form.
< 1408915020 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could put the private key for decrypting it in escrow with a dead man's switch service that sends it to some trusted person if you're gone for too long! (but keep the signing key private)
< 1408915028 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, You should encrypt so that if 3 out of 7 key holders are available it can be decrypted or something
< 1408915048 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a fancy key signing ceremony like they did for the dnssec thing
< 1408915072 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hereby volunteering to be a Key Keeper, no matter what danger it places me in
< 1408915076 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will swear the oath
< 1408915083 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dodge the assassins.
< 1408915098 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did/do.
< 1408915108 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DNSSEC keys get renewed on a regular basis. :)
< 1408915127 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it involves robes.
< 1408915261 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please, it's keymaster and gatekeeper.
< 1408915262 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1408915343 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody likes gatekeepers.
< 1408915346 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or keymasters, come to think of it
< 1408915579 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's rolling-hash-N-bits-zero thing.
< 1408915598 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, the simple implementation that's actually effective.
< 1408915612 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with a sum as the hash function; I peeked at the source.
< 1408915636 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the rsync hash IIRC.
< 1408915891 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Huh, why is XFS weird like that?
< 1408915900 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from being a bit of an import to Linux.
< 1408916032 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should store the backups in the blockchain
< 1408916111 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408917474 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408917885 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems someone managed to DoS dootbot on another channel
< 1408917886 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: DOOT DOOT!
< 1408917914 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :By abusing s/regex/replacement/
< 1408918048 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408918057 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408918159 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1408918293 0 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408918300 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408918320 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know much about compiler optimizations?
< 1408918348 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1408918466 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408918623 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott?
< 1408918640 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?
< 1408918648 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing an optimizing Z-code compiler, so I ask such thing.
< 1408918650 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you kick dootbot?
< 1408918650 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: DOOT DOOT!
< 1408918677 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has vulnerability issues
< 1408918682 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408918689 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1408918695 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just quit the process yourself?
< 1408918701 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't
< 1408918707 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1408918712 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't access my computer
< 1408918716 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1408918717 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.
< 1408918722 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, reboot it?
< 1408918726 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kicking it won't make your computer accessible
< 1408918734 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'll still be running and stuff.
< 1408918741 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1408918755 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not physically near my computer
< 1408918756 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1408918759 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric :DootBot
< 1408918762 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1408918770 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1408918770 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I was imagining someone managed to completely freeze your computer over IRC.
< 1408918774 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you had to scramble onto your mobile
< 1408918779 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh
< 1408918789 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not quite that bad
< 1408918830 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408918913 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408918920 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm thinking about having DootBot only recognize strings instead of regexes for its s/regex/replacement function, or just disabling it.
< 1408919271 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdkfxtcldrblivyc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408919292 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1408919301 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408919717 0 :mauris_!~mauris@122.186-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408919925 0 :mauris!~mauris@122.186-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408920110 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:8879:f271:a6b1:7bdd JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408920456 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1408920537 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1408920577 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if Briscola Bastarda is based on Napoleon?
< 1408920710 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-159.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408920751 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-159.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1408920751 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408920937 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408921644 0 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408921817 0 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1408922243 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:8879:f271:a6b1:7bdd QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1408922323 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1408922415 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408922794 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408922840 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408922840 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408922846 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<impomatic_> I think the Codu logs are still down :-( <-- given that glogbot hasn't been here for days...
< 1408922855 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:8879:f271:a6b1:7bdd JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408922879 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1408922885 0 :not^v!?@? NICK :^v
< 1408923015 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408923053 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408923162 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408923247 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least a Befunge bot here, to continue the topic from over there.
< 1408923265 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have any other written-in-esolang bots at the moment? 
< 1408923309 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen Thutubot in a long while.
< 1408923452 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to my knowledge
< 1408923470 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1408923474 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, where's fungot?
< 1408923511 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what ankadagen is

< 1408923515 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408923526 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: have you been off scheming again
< 1408923526 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: software development in brainf*ck hurts my brain less to write something in funge that changed a funge interpreter with bignum cells" section title and all.
< 1408923540 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it some sort of a duck day? 
< 1408923549 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:  Anka is my nickname and Dagen is my former roommates nickname
< 1408923549 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, but which duck
< 1408923556 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1408923563 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Hjulle 
< 1408923564 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Hjulle: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.)
< 1408923578 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That was remarkably coherent, at least initially. Are you feeling quite all right? 
< 1408923579 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and this language is more-or-less a souped-up minsky machine.
< 1408923617 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: so are you more like kalle or more like arne?
< 1408923745 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why do you need to soup up minsky machines, they're already TC
< 1408923745 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mit-scheme is just a good cigar or a whole scheme system? probably. might be useful for
< 1408923765 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i knew it, you _have_ been scheming, you rascal!
< 1408923766 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the same for interactive and scripting use that for coordination languages"
< 1408923774 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think it's more a Scheme system than a good cigar.
< 1408923774 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's what wheel mice are for fnord
< 1408923794 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to end up on some sort of a watch list due to that bot, I'm sure.
< 1408923823 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:  Nither, I'm just an ordinary duck.
< 1408923835 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's a wheel mouse?
< 1408923835 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: if the course is called " boxing" means something like ' taalla taas olisi fnord mutta fnord fnord, forcer.
< 1408923839 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok there's no way they'll be smart enough to prevent fungot from taking over the world anyway
< 1408923840 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is aimed at anyone, in principle you need to declare a new hypothesis. it is actually
< 1408923866 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's boily and metasepia when you need them
< 1408923866 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: I think it's the kind of mouse that runs in a hamster wheel.
< 1408923984 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: i think mice had wheels before they invented lasers hth
< 1408924001 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what's hth
< 1408924004 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408924014 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1408924014 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1408924016 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1408924020 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth
< 1408924021 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
< 1408924037 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see, your script is working.  also, 3000 rep.
< 1408924040 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1408924057 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now go for ten times that :)
< 1408924061 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1408924061 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo
< 1408924062 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing.
< 1408924083 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm
< 1408924094 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to read up on unix hax0ring.
< 1408924095 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the scroll wheel in the mouse though, it is scrolled too much accidentally; sometimes I want to just touch middle button instead though and it might scroll too much when I tried
< 1408924097 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is fungot written in?
< 1408924097 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: if i have xscheme.el and xscheme.elc by the new one :) ( confused me the first 3 properly
< 1408924118 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Befunge-98.
< 1408924121 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1408924121 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1408924129 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1408924129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1408924143 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1408924144 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ unpa \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1408924164 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quines
< 1408924164 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: quines: Is a directory
< 1408924185 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cd quines
< 1408924185 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cd: not found
< 1408924192 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: If you're going to do an excessive amount of stuff, it's possibly preferrable to do it in a query.
< 1408924195 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly our quine command broke when HackEgo moved
< 1408924198 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can then do the interesting parts here.
< 1408924213 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Query?
< 1408924243 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points at TieSoul-mobile.  "noob!"

< 1408924253 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I'm a noob
< 1408924254 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: aka /msg
< 1408924261 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1408924269 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just say PM then
< 1408924271 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408924313 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi calls it /query for some reason, although /msg works as well, i think they can be set up to work slightly differently
< 1408924357 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then what is the difference?
< 1408924381 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait let me check
< 1408924388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're quite different. I don't think plain /msg will actually open a query.
< 1408924401 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that depends on settings, though.
< 1408924437 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halp I don't even unix
< 1408924443 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's the autocreate_own_query setting.
< 1408924462 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for me plain /msg opens a window.  although i see for /query the actual message is optional.
< 1408924469 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1408924485 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you disable autocreate_own_query, it will not open a query but just send a message.
< 1408924516 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok so /query opens a window and optionally sends a message, while /msg sends a message and optionally (with settings) opens a window.
< 1408924541 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have /^msg which does not open a window, though.
< 1408924564 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i use it with my chanserv op alias.)
< 1408924569 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The client I use supports neither command; it currently has no support for multiple windows anyways
< 1408924588 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a /query command dates back at least to ircII.
< 1408924602 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-(
< 1408924602 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☹
< 1408924604 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lel
< 1408924607 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when i used ircII i only used one window, anyway, iirc
< 1408924628 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don
< 1408924628 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ircII support multiple windows anyways?
< 1408924659 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t remember if it supported them, if so i never found until changing to irssi which does it obviously.
< 1408924666 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember ircII's window handling; I'm pretty sure it supports having multiple items (channels, queries) you can swap between.
< 1408924684 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPIC did windows, I'm pretty sure.
< 1408924720 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: as for `cd quines, HackEgo as no permanent shell state between commands, so if you do cd, you need to do the rest of your commands in the same line.
< 1408924754 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for actual shell commands you must use `run  or ``
< 1408924813 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling for ircII help files suggest it does windows.
< 1408924832 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if my .ircrc is still somewhere.
< 1408924833 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has no
< 1408924866 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd quines; ls # you can do this, but it won't remember where it was until the next command line
< 1408924866 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat \ perl \ python \ q \ ruby
< 1408924917 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, having all those (except q) be the trivial empty-program quine makes for a p. poor showing.
< 1408924923 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's that way "ironically".
< 1408925011 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds .ircrc from 2006 and .ircrc.old from 1998

< 1408925094 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quines/cat
< 1408925095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408925106 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quines/q
< 1408925106 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF............>.....°@.....@.......Ð	..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@.....À.......À............................@......@............................................@.......@.....¬......¬........ ............°......°`.....°`.................... ...........Ø......Ø`.....Ø`..... ....... ................
< 1408925134 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/quine.sss
< 1408925139 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-08-24 23:03:22 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/quine.sss [1497/1497] -> "quine.sss" [1]
< 1408925164 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv quine.sss quine/slashes
< 1408925165 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: cannot move `quine.sss' to `quine/slashes': No such file or directory
< 1408925174 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv quine.sss quines/slashes
< 1408925175 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408925186 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now there's at least one interesting one *cough*
< 1408925236 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which slashes
< 1408925237 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408925301 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408925327 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is definitely a channel i will stay in. Although it will probably reduce my productivity. ;)
< 1408925350 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/ircslashes.pl
< 1408925358 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-08-24 23:07:01 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/slashes/ircslashes.pl [566/566] -> "ircslashes.pl" [1]
< 1408925389 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x ircslashes.pl; mv ircslashes.pl bin/slashes
< 1408925391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408925400 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashes quines/slashes
< 1408925401 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/\/\/\/\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//\/\/\/\\\/\/\\////\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\////\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\///\\\//
< 1408925450 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that is not the whole program, which won't fit on an irc line.
< 1408925500 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1408925500 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1408925503 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408925532 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hejly
< 1408925542 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1408925550 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not proper protocol
< 1408925554 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-boily: 
< 1408925580 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps
< 1408925581 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​  PID TTY          TIME CMD \   286 ?        00:00:00 init \   288 ?        00:00:00 sh \   290 ?        00:00:00 ps \   291 ?        00:00:00 cat
< 1408925611 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan? why isn't it propotocol?
< 1408925634 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a sudden enlightenment moment.

< 1408925648 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus boily. indeed, it ain't protocorollary.
< 1408925671 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellularyment
< 1408925737 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Well, there can be good thing to read in this channel much, especially if you like esoteric programming and related things such as mathematics and other computer programming, but also many other things too. So, good you can stay. OK
< 1408925764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408925789 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please leave, nature abhors a vacuum
< 1408925799 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also phantoms
< 1408925801 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :four years
< 1408925808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :four years it took you to come up with that
< 1408925829 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you haven't been here longer than that?
< 1408925833 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't please leave if you do not like to leave. But if you do like to leave, then, yes please leave right away
< 1408925836 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38:  It seems like a lot of fun and not that much of the boring productive stuff that infests the other channels.
< 1408925865 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're definitely good at avoiding boring productive stuff
< 1408925866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Yes, it can certainly be.
< 1408925892 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: have you read the PDF in the /topic? ↑
< 1408925907 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any of logs?
< 1408925915 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1408925932 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the wiki, of course
< 1408925935 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the esolang wiki?
< 1408925947 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't worry, i haven't read any of them all through either.)
< 1408925967 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i was around for when a great part of it was made, i guess.
< 1408925974 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent a lot of time reading the esolang  wiki
< 1408925980 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good
< 1408926031 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, any idea involving esolangs and vegetables are mine. quintopia can vouch.
< 1408926103 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what a bunch of horseradish
< 1408926104 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've submitted competative bf solutions to code golfing challanges at codegolf.stackexchange.com too.
< 1408926130 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice
< 1408926168 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except bf kinda sucks
< 1408926170 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen the anarchy golf though? It is the code golf made by Japanese people.
< 1408926183 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised that it actually was of similar length to other contributions.
< 1408926192 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no
< 1408926221 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've been here like 7-8 years. that's so weird.
< 1408926222 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one anarchycally golf?
< 1408926241 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does bf suck?
< 1408926253 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: soon I'll be 20 and old.
< 1408926272 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're not 20????????6?????pointd'interrogation6???
< 1408926284 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for it being too mainstream) ;)
< 1408926286 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why does bf suck?
< 1408926286 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i really don't
< 1408926286 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 19.
< 1408926288 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you are confusing bf with its derivatives hth
< 1408926292 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old did you think I was?
< 1408926299 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eleven
< 1408926305 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: late twenties?
< 1408926310 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that whole stuff alltogether
< 1408926310 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408926321 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people thought I was early-mid twenties when I was 10-11. I don't get it.
< 1408926324 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aldo, i don't think bf deserves its name
< 1408926332 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's way too easy
< 1408926335 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have coated ur messages in snot
< 1408926343 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I did, more or less.
< 1408926358 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it less snot because that won't work, ou need more
< 1408926375 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, its more tedious than difficult to program in BF.
< 1408926421 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should implement feather.
< 1408926427 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do I look like some kind of fountain of snot to you?
< 1408926440 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this @ is too heavy.
< 1408926441 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where else would you hear that a language sucks because it's too easy to program in? =D
< 1408926442 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you did when you were eleven, probably
< 1408926443 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
< 1408926446 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing you through my timeoscope
< 1408926449 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how old are you, anyway?
< 1408926451 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and people keep guessing i'm something like ten years younger than i am, and have for a while.
< 1408926455 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eleven
< 1408926475 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 25.
< 1408926477 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's based on visual appearance, i think
< 1408926481 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess I am approaching the age where being mistaken for younger will be a compliment.
< 1408926492 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I have completed two elevenses already!
< 1408926492 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are 40
< 1408926507 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is 48, 49, 50, I think?
< 1408926522 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't let me be wrong. I can't take the swatting.
< 1408926534 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait, you're early 40s. ...are you? aaaaa
< 1408926574 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, all that happens when you hit 20 is you start IRCing less.
< 1408926596 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why 20?
< 1408926601 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- 44
< 1408926602 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How closely can you guess someone's age if you know the aspects between planets (not counting sun and moon, which aren't planets anyways) at the time of that person's birth?
< 1408926625 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With exact coordinates you can do a search, but here there are no exact coordinates.)
< 1408926648 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :within eleven years
< 1408926668 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No reason.
< 1408926681 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what is it called if a poker game has spread limit before the flip and pot limit after the flop?
< 1408926693 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I expect my life to contain ample time for IRC for at least the next few years.
< 1408926710 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever print out the IRC?
< 1408926724 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1408926736 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's gonna be sad when MI6 come along and force a move to Somaliland
< 1408926740 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not exactly the same, but i recall the people following xkcd's "time" story calculated the date > 10000 years in the future when it likely happened based on the positions in the sky shown in the night scene
< 1408926783 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what could possibly be a more important use of time, after all?
< 1408926811 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that was with the assumption that randall munroe had made it accurate.  he certainly had _tried_ to.
< 1408926814 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at girlfriend

< 1408926823 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, OK that is of some interest at least.
< 1408926864 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my girlfriend through the previous job's intranet IRC channel, so I don't see how the two can conflict...
< 1408926868 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: only an amateur lets that interfere with IRC time.
< 1408926879 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an amateur girlfriendhaver
< 1408926882 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have priorities?
< 1408926964 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you know somaliland has _excellent_ mobile service, right?
< 1408926975 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least that's what i read.)
< 1408926979 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses irc on mobile
< 1408926985 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you take elliott for
< 1408926992 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has done so before
< 1408927016 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've managed to be the top talker in here with only 4 hours on an iPhone a day before.
< 1408927033 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I'm near the top these days.
< 1408927077 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <boily> I got my girlfriend through the previous job's intranet IRC channel, so I don't see how the two can conflict...
< 1408927078 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1215) <boily> I got my girlfriend through the previous job's intranet IRC channel, so I don't see how the two can conflict...
< 1408927091 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there we go...
< 1408927101 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been too long since you had an update
< 1408927125 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you could hire me to IRC for you when you're too busy with less important things.
< 1408927143 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: had I missed some lately?
< 1408927150 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the "people pay me to go to an office 8 hours a day" thing.
< 1408927171 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, dropbox is synching.)
< 1408927220 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and that's higher-priority than IRC to you?? you can IRC from an office!
< 1408927244 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need money to live! ... and pay for video games
< 1408927247 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so many video games
< 1408927275 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is free ;)
< 1408927307 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think it was your job to know that stuff. the repository is thataway.
< 1408927312 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought
< 1408927338 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surrepticiously looked at the repo. it wasn't addquoted in a long time.
< 1408927365 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all aren't being funny enough
< 1408927393 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't pay us enough
< 1408927446 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be funny. nor any emotion right now. I'm home from the otakuthon, where I was one of the event hosts.
< 1408927462 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman <mroman> This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: an edit to a user page makes it start with an h2 tag  <-- that was a heuristic that caught a lot of spambots but very few others
< 1408927463 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1408927472 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely drained, only a hollow shell of my past self.
< 1408927486 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1408927495 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speaking of hollow shells, my estomac is empty. time to food...)
< 1408927508 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a ghost in the shell, check
< 1408927534 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should admit to only knowing the name of that

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< 1408927580 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd food if i could get through the logs
< 1408927587 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I hate Firefox. 
< 1408927595 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1408927608 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: why? it's the most bestest browser!
< 1408927613 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing yourself quit is uncanny.
< 1408927616 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this sounds exciting
< 1408927650 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 45 threads and .75GB on idle isn't really "best" in my book. :P
< 1408927668 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as Chrome/Chromium seems to get more evil with every update ...
< 1408927674 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh i was referring to your poker variant. i think i would like it better without drawing and with more community cards though.
< 1408927678 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is the only one of the main browsers with a decent vim-like interface
< 1408927688 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1408927694 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: O, well, soon after I wrote it I thought, there is too much drawing, too.
< 1408927716 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs his daily pentadactyl fix.

< 1408927720 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia!
< 1408927745 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to think of a name for a blog
< 1408927749 0 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:8879:f271:a6b1:7bdd QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408927749 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead when there are two exposed cards you cannot draw anything, and when you have three exposed cards you are not allowed to exchange more than one card.
< 1408927771 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Perhaps, "quintopia blog" can be?
< 1408927795 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I tried firemacs, but I just kept fighting muscle memory. I was gonna install conkeror, but 1) it hasn't been updated in a year, and 2) it won't build on FreeBSD.
< 1408927795 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it is actually about something, in which case, don't call it that.
< 1408927820 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it will be about math and computer science and education and who knows what all. not a personal blog.
< 1408927837 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably magic too
< 1408927843 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then call it "math and computer science and education and who knows what all blog".
< 1408927848 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1408927851 0 :mauris_!~mauris@122.186-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"probably magic" is a good blog title
< 1408927852 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then call it "math and computer science and education and who knows what all blog and probably magic too".
< 1408927859 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to be hard to fit all that in a subdomain name though
< 1408927864 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Magic More Magic”
< 1408927869 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad
< 1408927877 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then abbreviate it to make up the domain name.
< 1408927878 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just more magic
< 1408927938 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"upside down double-u upside down double-u upside down double-u dot quintopia dot com"
< 1408927960 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how about you can only draw on the first round, immediately after exposing a card, and you can draw up to four. after that, you're stuck with what you have. this incentivizes exposing your best card on the first round.
< 1408927976 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Ah, yes that can be good.
< 1408928147 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1408928210 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, perhaps adding a second community card (not dealt at the same time) can also help, then you have seven cards with which to make up your hand.
< 1408928280 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh FFS. Twitter filters your own bloody timeline unless you turn off personalization, which you can't do if you've set Do Not Track ...
< 1408928296 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1408928298 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: just call it mathemagical themas HTH
< 1408928310 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But I think there is already a book called that isn't it?
< 1408928321 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust zzo38 to ruin the joke
< 1408928331 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: here's the right question: "How can you personalize my timeline if you're not tracking me?"
< 1408928341 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Can you tamper with the cookies and headers to fix it somehow?
< 1408928437 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookie tampering is a capital offense in china hth
< 1408928455 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the food scandals, you see
< 1408928470 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought you meant personalized fortunes
< 1408928489 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than, you know, random ones
< 1408928505 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408928576 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No idea. I'm just trying to find a stupid code snippet I don't think I saved anywhere else because I didn't think I'd need it. I posted it on FB too, but of course that means scrolling my entire history ...
< 1408928665 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell do you post stupid useless code on facebook?
< 1408928827 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408928856 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell do you post on facebook?
< 1408928901 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1408928909 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it was when I was learning Racket. I'd figured out how to write my own for loop. Never saved it anywhere else because why the hell do I need to know that, you know?
< 1408928926 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: familial and friend inertia ...
< 1408929024 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhetorical question.
< 1408929361 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's called metamagical themas hth
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< 1408929389 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i like the idea of an extra community card though
< 1408929390 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops
< 1408929428 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathemagic was something else
< 1408929548 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1408929697 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then by the last round you have two community cards and three exposed cards and two hidden cards, which is the same number of exposed/hidden cards each player has in texas hold-em
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< 1408929765 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1408935976 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know that in Z-machine, if you want to write a number outside of the range 0 to 255 into a variable, use of the BCOM (bitwise complement) instruction will be shorter than using the SET instruction meant for this case? This is only in ZIP and EZIP. In XZIP, it is only true if the number to write is in range -256 to -1.
< 1408936101 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore in XZIP, you can make it four bytes if the number is in range 256 to 510, or if it is a positive composite number that can be written as a product of two numbers in range 2 to 255.
< 1408936146 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In all other cases it will be five bytes long.)
< 1408936574 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (`the` Int) 5
< 1408936575 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:2: error: no implicit
< 1408936575 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    arguments allowed
< 1408936575 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    here, expected: ")",
< 1408936575 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    dependent type signature,
< 1408936575 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    expression, name14↵…
< 1408936577 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means a compiler that targets XZIP will need to include the function to factor numbers.
< 1408936582 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1408936593 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it is going to optimize.)
< 1408936813 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`the` 5) Int
< 1408936814 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘the’Not in scope: data constructor ‘Int’
< 1408936815 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1408936815 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ‘In’ (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted),
< 1408936815 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   ‘InR’ (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted)
< 1408936817 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (`the` 5) Int
< 1408936817 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:2: error: no implicit
< 1408936817 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    arguments allowed
< 1408936817 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    here, expected: ")",
< 1408936817 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    dependent type signature,
< 1408936817 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    expression, name14↵…
< 1408936823 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever.
< 1408936842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you even pass the argument that way?
< 1408937092 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1408938517 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww, when did the DOM inspector lose its menu bar
< 1408938657 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do I inspect an xul window now. grrrrr
< 1408938733 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm being stupid. There's now an "Inspector" and a "DOM inspector". I mistook the former for the latter.
< 1408938790 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be wary if any of them start speaking in a fake french accent.
< 1408939712 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the ((a : Type) -> a -> a) the
< 1408939712 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a
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< 1408946364 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what's actually going on with TrueCrypt? It's been a while, maybe something new happened
< 1408946597 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1408946604 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made three backup copies of 7.1a.
< 1408947062 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is TrueCrypt (7.1a) likely sufficient to protect my data if I send in my laptop for repairs?
< 1408947145 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be more careful, remove the harddrive if possible.
< 1408947179 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent in my laptop for repairs and after repairs Dell sent it back to someone in Tennessee.
< 1408947185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately I had removed the hard drive.
< 1408947446 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I was capable of removing hard drive I would be capable of fixing issue myself...maybe?
< 1408947452 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to be even more careful, run memtest86 after removing the hard drive, if it is still capable of running memtest86! (This should eliminate the possibility that someone can somehow recover it from the RAM.)
< 1408947463 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think loose connection to monitor)
< 1408947525 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On many angles, some grey images become kind of blue)
< 1408947623 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible in C for a variable marked as "register" to use address of operator?
< 1408947665 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, IIRC.
< 1408947829 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The operand of the unary & operator shall be either [...], or an lvalue that designates an object that is not a bit-field and is not declared with the register storage-class specifier."
< 1408947853 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1408947896 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :register is a stupid storage class
< 1408947933 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *definitely* do not send your hard drive away for repair
< 1408947956 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you absolutely cannot avoid it, make sure you have a backup and then thrash the disk if you don't want people accessing its contents
< 1408948067 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef is the stupidest storage class, because it's only a storage class for syntactic convenience.
< 1408948644 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok granted;
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< 1408949043 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:16:44 <Sgeo> (On many angles, some grey images become kind of blue)
< 1408949046 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds more like you bought a TN panel
< 1408949070 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sending an encrypted drive is just fine, if you have a backup
< 1408949236 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes, but not if you're trying to encrypt to hide data
< 1408949247 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's been encrypted since the start, sure
< 1408949266 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: any encryption software worth its salt is not going to leave a trace of the original data.
< 1408949322 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it 
< 1408949375 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliott_: Not on the first read. But it seems pointless to thrash a disk before encrypting as a routine measure, since usually you format a new filesystem as encrypted rather than encrypting an exisiting one.
< 1408949408 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who releases encryption software that encrypts an existing drive while making it feasible to access the original data is a charlatan
< 1408949424 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the truecrypt developers are /that/ incompetent, but I don't know; I don't use it.
< 1408949442 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a) that's not the normal usecase and b) encryption has many uses other than to hide data
< 1408949462 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) sure it is. common advice is "hey, get truecrypt and encrypt your drives! encryption is good!"
< 1408949482 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) TrueCrypt cares a hell of a lot about hiding data. see the hidden volume stuff etc.
< 1408949496 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but your discussion of encryption software was general
< 1408949498 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, neither of us know.
< 1408949571 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kinds of compiler optimizations are most common and which are most useful?
< 1408949690 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I don't mean angle I view it, I mean angle of the monitor to the base
< 1408949705 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I want to make it to do is to try to group instructions together in order to allow further optimizations to be performed.
< 1408949716 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh.
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< 1408953840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ROT13 encoder/decoder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40338&oldid=8014 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+26) 10Zombie link
< 1408954410 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I had a laptop with a similar problem, whacking the display on the side would fix it for a while
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< 1408960007 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told OpenBLAS to DYNAMIC_ARCH=1 expecting it to, I don't know, maybe build both SSE and non-SSE versions, but instead it compiled separate copies for every particular microarchitecture it knows of.
< 1408960013 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have a 26-meg BLAS library.
< 1408960134 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're building it for x86-64 you've already got SSE and SSE2 guaranteed
< 1408960509 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not, though.
< 1408960509 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFLAGS="-march=native"
< 1408960517 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not going to be used on this computer.
< 1408960552 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live on the edge, the bleeding edge
< 1408960560 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't gmplib do something similar
< 1408960729 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, but this knows of  P2 KATMAI COPPERMINE NORTHWOOD PRESCOTT BANIAS YONAH CORE2 PENRYN DUNNINGTON NEHALEM SANDYBRIDGE ATOM ATHLON OPTERON OPTERON_SSE3 BARCELONA SHANGHAI ISTANBUL BOBCAT BULLDOZER SSE_GENERIC VIAC3 NANO  when building for x86.
< 1408960843 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several of those are x86-64
< 1408960859 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But I think it was building them all even when building for x86-32.
< 1408960876 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like they wouldn't run 32-bit binaries, after all.
< 1408960896 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if all the latest instruction set extensions also work in 32-bit mode, I guess they do
< 1408960909 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wouldn't want blazing fast linear algebra on via chips
< 1408960971 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I did TARGET=P2 (hopefully quite generic) without DYNAMIC_ARCH=1 now, to save time when testing this build system stuff, and it failed with bazillion "undefined reference" errors for symbols matching _[sc]gemm_i[tn]copy.
< 1408960996 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that target is not tested very often
< 1408961029 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSE_GENERIC not lowest-common-denominator enough?
< 1408961043 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's listed under the "VIA chips" group, but perhaps it could be.
< 1408961047 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those µarch names don't match gcc's, so they must be from some internal database.
< 1408961075 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's the best accepted practice for building this library when the use case is "we'll be giving a binary containing it to some random people to test on their random home computers".
< 1408961106 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TARGET=SANDYBRIDGE and give them a nickel if they can't run it on their current home computers
< 1408961108 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tell them it'll only work on Windows Vista or later"
< 1408961292 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I tried to do the same thing with TARGET=SSE_GENERIC and now it crapped out with "/usr/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-ar: sgemm_kernel.obj: No such file or directory".
< 1408961317 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, you're cross-compiling too
< 1408961323 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was the 26-meg one so bad? :-P
< 1408961369 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not too bad, it's just that I'm trying to get this whole thing under a single CMake build (in retrospect, maybe I should just do it more or less manually) and building all those architectures takes so long when testing.
< 1408961404 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly using a release that's only 7 days old straight from the GitHub is not the wisest idea either.
< 1408961415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I mean, they've tagged it, so presumably they've tested it too.
< 1408961504 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building a TARGET=CORE2 (that doesn't sound too fancy, ISA-wise) worked out right.
< 1408961652 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40339&oldid=40280 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1334) 10Add BSD extras and better sectioning.
< 1408961777 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core 2 is the latest before the i[357]s started appearing, latest ones came out in 2008 and earliest in 2006
< 1408961808 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all have SSE3 and SSSE3
< 1408961812 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40340&oldid=40339 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+13) 10Use code font
< 1408962043 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40341&oldid=40340 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+131) 10Hmm, how did I do that; and add the rest
< 1408962061 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course this CMake's built-in FindBLAS module doesn't support looking for OpenBLAS directly, so I need to convince it.
< 1408962459 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FindBLAS convinced, FindLAPACK not. (Even though the "cheev_" symbol is in there.)
< 1408962666 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"undefined reference to `__gfortran_compare_string'" but of course.
< 1408963319 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40342&oldid=40341 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+278) 10Expand number description
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< 1408963544 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40343&oldid=40342 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-49) 10Move it
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< 1408964077 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dc14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40344&oldid=40343 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+242) 10Hints
< 1408966189 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lattice_rescore.cc:112:46: error: too many arguments to function ‘int mkdir(const char*)’"
< 1408966204 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice little details; the Windows variant doesn't take a mode argument, of course.
< 1408966270 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought OpenBLAS was Windows-capable? Or is this something else now.
< 1408966290 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something else.
< 1408966316 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I (think I) managed to convince everything to use OpenBLAS, so it's now trying to build our own code.
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< 1408967003 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowza, I think that's the most undefined references I've ever seen.
< 1408967015 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printed out, anyway.
< 1408967070 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :642 of them, plus ten "more undefined references follow" cop-outs.
< 1408967171 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seemed longer, but that's probably because some of them are the typical C++ template error message style.
< 1408967884 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"--enable-static=yes --enable-shared=no CXXFLAGS=-fPIC"   isn't that kind of a strange combination? 
< 1408967892 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who wrote that.
< 1408968084 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on commit logs, it seems to be related to the SWIG-built interface to the code; building the external library for static linking, but with -fPIC so that the entire final combination can be made a shared object.
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< 1408969956 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down from 640 undefined references, through ~140 or so, to 1.
< 1408970501 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one remaining one is quite puzzling, though.
< 1408970670 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, libvorbis is split into three libraries. Well, that's fine.
< 1408972336 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408973315 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is neat
< 1408973515 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it esoteric?
< 1408973602 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not usually counted as. But it's certainly closer than $BORING_LANGUAGE.
< 1408974470 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I actually just googled that. With this channel, it's sometimes hard to tell the joke names from real languages. ;)
< 1408974572 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think mediawiki allows it.
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< 1408975456 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :What have 'Lymia', 'Lymee' and 'Madoka-Kaname' done?
< 1408975462 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/src/95f4757ad6412a820efec34566a7e99b70e8d6fe/multibot_cmds/PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd?at=default
< 1408975533 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something demonic, no doubt
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< 1408975683 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just something annoying, if I recall correctly.
< 1408975691 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of bot-noise, that sort of thing.
< 1408975813 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make HackEgo noisier than yourself? It only responds with a single line per query.
< 1408975868 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it some kind of trigger-bot with bot thingey?
< 1408975992 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-//
< 1408976063 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo fungot: Hello!
< 1408976063 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: it's actually real progress, i'll probably do that for me...
< 1408976064 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hello!
< 1408976105 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an ignore list on fungot. And HackEgo prefixes all non-alphanumeric initial characters with a zero-width space to avoid botloops.
< 1408976106 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am now immune to the sorts of apps that it makes my head spin in a pleasant way... thanks, will do.) it's an oldish o2 box, so it's more accurate and faster :d
< 1408976168 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense
< 1408976390 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't managed to do the same zero-width space trick on fungot, so you can make small chains via that.
< 1408976391 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's no get function for it to correct me
< 1408976403 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo `echo
< 1408976403 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `echo
< 1408976404 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`echo
< 1408976488 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^echo `echo fungot
< 1408976488 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: and what are you doing
< 1408976499 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo `echo fungot
< 1408976499 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo fungot `echo fungot
< 1408976500 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot `echo fungot
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< 1408976699 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo `sleep 20
< 1408976699 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sleep 20 `sleep 20
< 1408976700 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep: invalid time interval `20 `sleep 20' \ Try `sleep --help' for more information.
< 1408976738 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo `run sleep 20s
< 1408976738 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sleep 20s `run sleep 20s
< 1408976738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1408976766 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo `sleep 20s
< 1408976766 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sleep 20s `sleep 20s
< 1408976767 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep: invalid time interval `20s `sleep 20s' \ Try `sleep --help' for more information.
< 1408976775 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use the silly echo.
< 1408976796 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sleep 20
< 1408976816 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408976819 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even if you want to go through the bot.
< 1408976821 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!`run sleep 5; echo foo
< 1408976821 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sleep 5; echo foo
< 1408976826 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1408976856 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
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< 1408976888 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there more bots you can chain?
< 1408976908 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408976936 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not at the moment. lambdabot adds a space in front of replies, I think.
< 1408976974 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: help
< 1408976987 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1408977000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1408977000 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1408977012 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That list keeps getting outdated.
< 1408977029 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was more bots than I expected
< 1408977041 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The >0.1 bot age has passed.
< 1408977055 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for x in `seq 10`; do echo a$x >> x; sleep 1; done
< 1408977060 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for x in `seq 10`; do echo b$x >> x; sleep 1; done
< 1408977082 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408977093 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408977100 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat x; rm x
< 1408977100 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: x; rm x: No such file or directory
< 1408977104 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat x; rm x
< 1408977105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b1 \ b2 \ b3 \ b4 \ b5 \ b6 \ b7 \ b8 \ b9 \ b10 \ a1 \ a2 \ a3 \ a4 \ a5 \ a6 \ a7 \ a8 \ a9 \ a10
< 1408977118 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't expect that.
< 1408977162 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expect what?
< 1408977170 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it looks atomic.
< 1408977172 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having b's first.
< 1408977254 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? I still find it strange
< 1408977334 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the version control stuff, the fact that edits are atomic is not too surprising.
< 1408977382 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why would b come before a?
< 1408977428 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run for x in `seq 10`; do echo a$x >> x; sleep 1; done
< 1408977433 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run for x in `seq 10`; do echo b$x >> x; sleep 1; done
< 1408977526 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for x in `seq 10`; do echo a$x >> x; sleep 1; done
< 1408977530 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for x in `seq 10`; do echo b$x >> x; sleep 1; done
< 1408977552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408977563 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408977567 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat x; rm x
< 1408977569 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b1 \ b2 \ b3 \ b4 \ b5 \ b6 \ b7 \ b8 \ b9 \ b10 \ a1 \ a2 \ a3 \ a4 \ a5 \ a6 \ a7 \ a8 \ a9 \ a10
< 1408977587 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The multibot machinery is a fork-exec thing, so process scheduling might get slightly random.
< 1408977602 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command itself does an exclusive lock on a lockfile, which will serialize them.
< 1408977637 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that shouldn't give consistant reverse ordering?
< 1408977651 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for x in `seq 10`; do echo a$x >> x; sleep 1; done; cat x
< 1408977673 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a1 \ a2 \ a3 \ a4 \ a5 \ a6 \ a7 \ a8 \ a9 \ a10
< 1408977676 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for x in `seq 10`; do echo b$x >> x; sleep 1; done
< 1408977712 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat x; rm x
< 1408977720 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408977732 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a1 \ a2 \ a3 \ a4 \ a5 \ a6 \ a7 \ a8 \ a9 \ a10 \ b1 \ b2 \ b3 \ b4 \ b5 \ b6 \ b7 \ b8 \ b9 \ b10
< 1408977734 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two tests is hardly enough to call it. Anyway, there might be some systematic bias involved.
< 1408977789 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sleep 10; echo a
< 1408977795 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sleep 10; echo b
< 1408977800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1408977806 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b
< 1408977836 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't involve files, so I guess it's not the same
< 1408977883 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right; the locking is only for the version control commit.
< 1408977921 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, it's a shared reader-lock during the actual execution, and an exclusive lock if a write was made.
< 1408978065 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the command is re-executed after updating the checked-out copy to the latest, which explains why it always has both the a's and the b's.
< 1408978242 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains it. The first command is waiting for a wright lock while the second one has a read lock. Then it probably prefers not to context swith or something
< 1408978337 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have to be preempted between unlocking the shared lock and locking the exclusive.
< 1408978414 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software transactional linux, I like it
< 1408978427 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not even any unlocking; you can "upgrade" a fcntl lock.
< 1408978450 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is not done according to the code
< 1408978459 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's true.
< 1408978508 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could lead to deadlock if you try to upgrade instead of unlocking first
< 1408978569 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Converting a lock (shared  to exclusive, or vice versa) is not guaranteed to be atomic: the existing lock is first removed, and then a new lock is established.  Between these two steps, a pending lock request by another process may be granted, --"
< 1408978574 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be any different.
< 1408978587 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1408978607 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1408978613 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408978639 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to get going again. ->
< 1408978672 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1408978882 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I tell HackEgo to launch_the_missiles and save the results to a file, the missiles will be launced twice, and only the output of the second launch will be saved. Is that correct?
< 1408979685 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408979743 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408981233 0 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408981244 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408981341 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey doot
< 1408981341 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: yay gets 
< 1408981350 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made doot somewhat akin to fungot
< 1408981350 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: I it site 
< 1408981350 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: fnord you might find this slightly different approach easier. try fnord it has great libraries ( for a wiki, though. see this thread from comp.lang.scheme: 1380 articles fetched ( to fnord reality) with the supplied continuations. table-entry will then probably have ( multi fnord 0)
< 1408981368 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets random words from a log :P
< 1408981373 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot!
< 1408981373 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: a 
< 1408981375 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1408981376 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1408981378 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1408981420 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this log is shared across both chats it's in
< 1408981436 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll see some crazy shit from #tppleague and they'll see some from here :P
< 1408981439 0 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot
< 1408981439 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul_: lelwat 
< 1408982326 0 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408982542 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see what doot does now.
< 1408982543 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: doot go OF 
< 1408982547 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1408982550 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright doot.
< 1408982551 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: also get get to pc
 a 
< 1408982955 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408982969 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408983000 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1408983149 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi doot
< 1408983149 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION down doot by HIT so hi doot THE will 
< 1408983212 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo doot
< 1408983213 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: azum that site 
< 1408983213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot
< 1408983213 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: I don't cool call name. :( hi sort approach now pick 
< 1408983232 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408983244 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:-]
< 1408983320 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  Is it some kind of markow chain or just pure random?
< 1408983344 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo `echo doot
< 1408983344 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo doot `echo doot
< 1408983344 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Ok. log it too word NO should put 
< 1408983344 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: dootdoot is 
< 1408983344 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot `echo doot
< 1408983345 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DootBot: about hash-table-question, is it? but version 0.1 doesn't look encouraging?' and someone replied with subject ' my wife woke up...'. i might take advantage of
< 1408983345 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: >_> doot it the why hi again 
< 1408983345 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: dootbot one random a 
< 1408983346 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DootBot: i like kterm... nice color theming abilities: i have no idea what the number is for.
< 1408983346 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a get you cool as shit shut ON a |, log? 
< 1408983346 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DootBot: i think i'll add a short hand for if-then-else
< 1408983347 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: doot its like doot nice 
< 1408983347 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DootBot: what problem does cwif present to multi? ( i never used anything in mode...
< 1408983348 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...is hey jr. hey hi of so 
< 1408983349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:BFFB14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40345&oldid=33011 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+532) 10/* Simple TC Proof. */ new section
< 1408983352 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BFFB14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40346&oldid=33003 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-275) 10Is Turing complete by simple construction.
< 1408983356 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1408983398 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily fungot had some kind of protection :)
< 1408983399 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: for starters, try simply writing a " web service" which was so nonportable i think it loads all of the numbers of f to the functional value that you give a specific list of moves
< 1408983412 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just post the source for that in a gist
< 1408983452 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.githubusercontent.com/TieSoul/8494092055b746730d26/raw/501ba6c6e3ac9f6af8bc26ead719c069e4f19fd2/gistfile1.txt
< 1408983464 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doofbot is a bot doot has had problems with before
< 1408983465 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: As time do WORKING name. to 5* 
< 1408983465 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408983560 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also shout-out to #esoteric with the fnord variable. I felt like it.
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< 1408984195 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40347 5* 0346.193.138.167 5* (+323) 10Created page with "[[Xo]] is a turing-complete, [[esoteric programming language]] created by Nax.  == The XVM ==  Xo runs on a virtual machine. The official virtual machine is called XVM and can..."
< 1408984225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit disheartening how people sometimes seem to think the aim of an esolang is to be TC
< 1408984275 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1408984275 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tc?
< 1408984283 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's to be as fun as possible :d
< 1408984285 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D*
< 1408984288 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right doot?
< 1408984288 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Hi up to too ACTION!!!
 the action hi 
< 1408984306 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :First result when googling is Tom Cruise
< 1408984310 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoken like a dootbot.
< 1408984311 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :/me starters, hilarious didnt a as
< 1408984316 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...dammit
< 1408984321 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get it to action?
< 1408984325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::d, the 'i have something stuck on my upper lip' smiley
< 1408984334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle, turing complete
< 1408984372 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: /me is a client side command that sends a CTCP ACTION.
< 1408984376 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing tarpits are usually esoteric
< 1408984474 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lambda calculus considered a turing tarpit?
< 1408984483 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they are far from the only kind of esoteric languages
< 1408984489 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408984499 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed actions for dootbot
< 1408984500 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1408984505 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408984508 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey doot
< 1408984508 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I he on twice. the color to dootiness acc- 
< 1408984513 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do an action doot
< 1408984513 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: yes too what make so 
< 1408984517 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot come on
< 1408984517 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: xfix do drunkard to coherence actually shut (+532) 
< 1408984523 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dootiness is a nice word
< 1408984524 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Bowser riot comes 
< 1408984526 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dootbot?
< 1408984526 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: make doot `echo see language regexes one hi ( 
< 1408984530 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bowser riot comes lel
< 1408984542 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot do an action
< 1408984542 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: And FOR him name) add much 
< 1408984544 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT
< 1408984544 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: temporarily* gets get doot! try actually sometimes well, 
< 1408984553 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, will have to wait until he actions
< 1408984572 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does doot do actions?
< 1408984573 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: doot! for 
< 1408984596 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomly, doot
< 1408984596 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: this one I the happen they 
< 1408984605 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happened in another channel already
< 1408984609 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's good
< 1408984613 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works :D
< 1408984620 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1408984647 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still triggered by other bots?
< 1408984651 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1408984679 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( "doot"
< 1408984679 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I too this happens RIOT 
< 1408984721 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408984790 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( "doot"
< 1408984790 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"doot" : 12String
< 1408984790 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: anyway, you do posting is in taste paste ( flaafy 
< 1408984790 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: anyone doot it complaining from 
< 1408984831 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarting so it doesn't reply to any bots I know of.
< 1408984842 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408984855 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408984919 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot just said "also is ledge esoteric word" in the other chat lel
< 1408984920 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: :P DOOT fixed. times 
< 1408984937 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo do""ot
< 1408984938 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot
< 1408984978 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( "do" ++ "ot"
< 1408984978 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"doot" : 12String
< 1408984980 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a"doot">:#,_@
< 1408984981 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: DOOT you it doot! 
< 1408984986 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge98 a"doot">:#,_@
< 1408984986 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: forgot it azum hey IT too its abilities: 
< 1408984986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: befunge98: not found
< 1408984998 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!`echo doot
< 1408984998 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo doot
< 1408984998 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Do you'll is 
< 1408984998 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot
< 1408984998 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1408985009 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^befunge98 a"doot">:#,_@
< 1408985009 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: hello like you to too much from 
< 1408985018 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1408985030 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what command is befunge-98?
< 1408985044 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge-98 a"doot">:#,_@
< 1408985044 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: right does fixed. do disabled doot doot problems upper a's 
< 1408985048 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`befunge-98 a"doot">:#,_@
< 1408985048 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: doot doot doot
 think for 
< 1408985048 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: befunge-98: not found
< 1408985053 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :^befunge-98 a"doot">:#,_@
< 1408985053 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: DOOT going comes AN is 
< 1408985057 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1408985059 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408985067 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said doot three times in one sentence
< 1408985067 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: afk it's doot ping channel this 1 #esoteric. considering 
< 1408985068 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1408985168 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot is saying strangely coherent stuff :P
< 1408985168 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: IT actually do""ot doot! though for action 
< 1408985241 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1408985245 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log now uses sprunge
< 1408985247 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Log: http://sprunge.us/LWXR
< 1408985328 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1408985764 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408985777 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408985786 0 :coppro_!?@? NICK :coppro
< 1408985923 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408985939 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408986466 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408986482 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408986501 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408986562 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408986575 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408986617 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408986701 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log
< 1408986703 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Log: http://sprunge.us/gihX
< 1408986747 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408986762 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408986966 0 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1408987500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have been !befunge98, but EgoBot seems to have left us.
< 1408987733 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-159.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408987741 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408987772 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-159.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1408987772 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408988149 0 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408988232 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408988246 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408988263 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408988990 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1408988997 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who names their male son "Isolde"?
< 1408989014 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :List on https://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/level20.tex
< 1408989120 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is one of the list items
< 1408989273 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their... son
< 1408989295 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who thinks they know more opera than they do?
< 1408989459 0 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone
< 1408989492 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1408989577 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408989592 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408989593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1408989615 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trope page is now listed for three characters.
< 1408989641 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT
< 1408989641 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: hey I it clearing in another 
< 1408989645 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!source
< 1408989645 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12
< 1408989685 0 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-dphuzozqzbbzfcsm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408989843 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sleep 20
< 1408989864 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1408990098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408990182 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1408990346 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408990372 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1408990382 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fixed hard timeout of 30 seconds, in case you are feeling adventureous about all those `sleeps.
< 1408990651 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408991131 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sleep -5
< 1408991131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep: invalid option -- '5' \ Try `sleep --help' for more information.
< 1408991159 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sleep --version
< 1408991160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep (GNU coreutils) 8.13 \ Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>. \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \  \ Written by Jim Meyering and Paul Eggert.
< 1408991271 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily spam: "We are starting a very big research project in Usa. This project takes place every month. We need to recruit Research shoppers to join our project to work as a detectives and you will earn  $-300 per evaluation."
< 1408991276 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, so I need to pay them $300? 
< 1408991664 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408991705 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds fair, just think of all the excitement.
< 1408991764 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your salary and Detective payment will be issued and sent to you in form of a Bank Certified Legal Tender. You will be required to get from your bank,deduct your salary and have the rest used for the Detective-Survey."
< 1408991772 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the excitement of going to a bank, and filling surveys.
< 1408991860 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, why would I cash in a $-300 bank note?
< 1408991883 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many questions
< 1408993040 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408993740 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT
< 1408993740 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: aside just I exec: 
< 1408993903 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408993916 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408994376 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP is clearly lacking a "Blame" function
< 1408994742 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiBlame is for, I believe, though it's clearly inferior to a "git blame"ish view.
< 1408994772 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a "binary search for a revision that added a particular string" tool.)
< 1408994804 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you write cheques for negative amounts?
< 1408994805 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say yes
< 1408994825 0 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check injection vulnerability?
< 1408995145 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408995162 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408995227 0 :maurer_!?@? NICK :maurer
< 1408995236 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408995252 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408995297 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot now has channel-specific babble list
< 1408995300 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot
< 1408995300 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: doot now has channel-specific babble list? doot now has channel-specific babble list. doot now has channel-specific babble list! 
< 1408995313 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah
< 1408995731 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1408995747 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408995786 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I decided non-channel-specific babble lists were better, doot
< 1408995786 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Kappa Is it praise are to this DoofBot? showdown! ooh `echo time! dootbot.rb of. 
< 1408996116 0 :monotone_!?@? NICK :polytone
< 1408996317 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You don't even know that channels exist, right? 
< 1408996318 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where can i find these scripts? c code?
< 1408996429 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot
< 1408996429 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this is a soundtrack for something.) the namestring is not portable, but i'm sure that fiz will proofread this now, so i cover up that sloppiness by using double precision. heh.
< 1408996455 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, double precision namestrings, good move
< 1408996611 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DootBot: What are your thoughts on fungot?
< 1408996611 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: doot much doot, two round! or actually it? 
< 1408996611 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: like eine klein nacht fnord! function calls and no variable scoping makes it a little
< 1408996756 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I am picturing that as real-valued variable names
< 1408996802 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot much doot sounds fun.
< 1408996803 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: but YayBot to! [wiki] my that contests flaws dog characters. doot IMPEACH is TO Misty language,! 
< 1408996847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I don't think I've been called "fiz" in quite a while.
< 1408997821 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:b182:3089:503:bf85 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408997844 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408998513 0 :trying!6dc4f7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.196.247.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408998767 0 :trying!6dc4f7fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.196.247.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1408999776 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1408999810 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40348&oldid=40347 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+101) 10Bold for the name, stub and correct classification WRT bounded memory.
< 1409000010 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409000037 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Xo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40349&oldid=40348 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+102) 10Some categories, and an ETA taken from commit times (please confirm)
< 1409000168 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a'oi
< 1409000612 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409000946 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409001357 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:b182:3089:503:bf85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1409002738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40350&oldid=40267 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+7204) 10/* Performance Matrix */
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< 1409006169 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1409006194 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot
< 1409006194 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: doot actually YayBot yay sums? !summon bot say long people? 
< 1409006500 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1409006527 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!loghth
< 1409006528 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: Log: http://sprunge.us/ZTJU
< 1409006669 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the hth for?
< 1409006673 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than an oerjan reference?
< 1409006750 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a reference
< 1409006766 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put anything after !log
< 1409006773 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!source
< 1409006773 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12
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< 1409008306 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1409008307 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 252150Z AUTO 28004KT 9999 FEW050 BKN090 14/12 Q1015
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< 1409010009 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical nondeterminism hypothesis!
< 1409010022 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mathematical statement is actually true or false until someone somewhere either proves or disproves it.
< 1409010032 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until then, it could go either way.
< 1409010094 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riemann is True! P=NP! Mathemapocalypse!
< 1409010285 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1409010286 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 252150Z 10004KT CAVOK 10/10 Q1010 RMK WIND 670FT 35001KT
< 1409010293 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/10? woooah...
< 1409010295 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1409010296 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 252200Z 20009KT 30SM FEW050 SCT190 BKN250 27/17 A3009 RMK CU1AC3CI3 CU TR SLP189 DENSITY ALT 1300FT
< 1409010310 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting autumny
< 1409010327 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it _is_ about midnight.
< 1409010332 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite yet here. about 6 more weeks, until it oranges full force.
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< 1409010346 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranges?
< 1409010346 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523
< 1409010361 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard about canadian winters though
< 1409010375 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative mathematical nondeterminism hypothesis:
< 1409010380 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to orange: v. when trees become orange, and red, and yellow, and very autumny.
< 1409010408 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: winter is winter. it obliterates all your memories of anything different than Great White Piles of snow.
< 1409010415 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mathematical statement is actually true or false unless it can be either proved or disproved using at most one million symbols.
< 1409010419 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  well it's not that far here yet either, i'm thinking temperature.
< 1409010439 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's no concise proof, the statement is meaningless.
< 1409010466 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what if the proof is a brute-force search for a proof? you can run it on a computer and confirm that it terminates
< 1409010469 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it works as a proof
< 1409010471 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it is useless
< 1409010473 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that sounds more dubious than the first one
< 1409010483 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why one million?
< 1409010527 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if there's no upper bound on the time spent searching, it's not really a proof.
< 1409010530 0 :Tie-Soul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot
< 1409010530 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tie-Soul: .... Success can too to of the weird... Trout only SUMMONED heyheyhey way to. Hi sounds self 
 you be fights. 
< 1409010550 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: because it's a number that's very large, but not incomprehensibly large.
< 1409010554 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tie-Soul: doot doot ♪
< 1409010554 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Erm with going out! Tie-Soul: was you go I than her that Huge? My potato +0200 hypothesis: again a lolo have? 
< 1409010564 0 :Burton!?@? NICK :mazelrella
< 1409010564 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone created a proof exactly one million symbols long, it would fit snugly into an ordinary book.
< 1409010566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can fit the upper bound into the search itself and still have it less than a megabyte long
< 1409010571 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: if error rate in proofs bothers you, you can always employ the help of a computer. (see the recently finished flyspeck project)
< 1409010575 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, a book is about a megabyte
< 1409010589 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was idly wondering about converting my 3,2 Turing machine proof to machine readable recently
< 1409010600 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of proof that seems like it would benefit from that treatment
< 1409010625 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, suppose that in one thousand symbols, you can say "Check every proof of length at most ten thousand symbols".
< 1409010641 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the proof search would be recursive.
< 1409010653 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1409010657 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh they finished it?
< 1409010662 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking every proof of length at most 10,000 involves checking the proof "check every proof of length at most 10,000", since its length is at most 10,000.
< 1409010672 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: two weeks ago.
< 1409010724 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's fine, because all it proves is that an algorithm exists that checks every proof of length 10k.
< 1409010745 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/math has slipped too far down my reddit queue :(
< 1409010746 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at most 10k)
< 1409010823 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, perhaps I should say: "The first proof of the statement whose length is at most ten thousand symbols".
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< 1409010968 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose any proof system that allows you to express "proof: by checking every proof less than N symbols" in less than N symbols will necessarily be nonterminating or inconsistent.
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< 1409011002 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1409011022 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I find strange things every time I look in this channel
< 1409011057 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proof: the first proof using less than 10,000 symbols" really isn't a valid proof unless you can, in fact, prove that it's possible to search every candidate proof using less than 10,000 symbols.
< 1409011059 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. i find great things every time i look in this channel
< 1409011075 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you can only do if you can prove that your proof checking algorithm terminates.
< 1409011092 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well you have two proof checking algorithms
< 1409011094 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one which always terminates
< 1409011100 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one which happens to terminate for that proof, but doesn't always terminate
< 1409011113 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then you have two different styles of proof.
< 1409011153 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can define "proofs" that way, but it will have unexpected properties, like provability of A and provability of B not necessarily implying provability of (A and B).
< 1409011210 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be incomplete, but I don't see why it would be inconsistent.
< 1409011289 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's oerjan's proposed definition of "proofs"?
< 1409011323 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> oerjan: You can define "proofs" that way, but it will have unexpected properties, like provability of A and provability of B not necessarily implying provability of (A and B). ← that's not that unexpected if your axioms only have a finite amount of truth in them
< 1409011335 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I'm not aware of logics that work like that
< 1409011353 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tons where assumptions only have finite amounts of truth in them, but normally you can use the axioms as many times as you like
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< 1409011395 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, there's a certain paradox here.
< 1409011409 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :propositional logic comes close, but even there you can just make the statement's formula so big that it takes a while to write down a proof for it.
< 1409011457 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no. you're aiming for something like "the smallest number that can not be defined in up to sixty characters" but you're missing the step that makes the notion circular.
< 1409011471 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am?
< 1409011476 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1409011490 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I can't parse your definitions, so I may be wrong.
< 1409011513 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, consider this: "Theorem: One equals two. Proof: The first proof writable in less than ten words."
< 1409011540 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose that a proof checker is capable of checking such proofs without being nonterminating.
< 1409011553 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to be consistent, it will, of course, have to reject that proof.
< 1409011576 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless one actually does equal two in that logic
< 1409011592 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. s/sixty/eighty/
< 1409011612 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys. Guys.
< 1409011638 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose that in modal logic, you take "necessary" to mean "provable in ZFC".
< 1409011647 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "possible" to mean, of course, the dual of that.
< 1409011656 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Gödel's incompleteness theorem has this delightful rendering:
< 1409011663 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible."
< 1409011719 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's put that in the topic
< 1409011724 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, let's.
< 1409011748 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible.
< 1409011751 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Okay. So "the first proof of 'one equals two' writable in less than twenty words" is not a proof.
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< 1409011769 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, apparently trying to change the topic crashes my IRC client
< 1409011773 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least through the GUI
< 1409011782 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, already been done
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< 1409011786 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523
< 1409011810 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I guess it's not obvious what it would mean for a proof system to accept that proof.
< 1409011811 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.
< 1409011811 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: and it's quite possible that the object being defined, namely a proof of "one equals two" with fewer than twenty words doesn't exist.
< 1409011859 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so since you treat it as a proof (which I would not), you get something that's actually circular. fine.
< 1409011920 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of this in the curry-howard sense where proofs _are_ runnable programs. in which case that does seem obviously nonterminating.
< 1409012014 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably won't typecheck either :P
< 1409012017 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a "proof" in a Turing-complete proof system.
< 1409012026 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such systems are incomplete.
< 1409012027 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1409012029 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconsistent.
< 1409012035 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type fix
< 1409012036 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a
< 1409012049 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type fix id
< 1409012050 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1409012204 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, ok. what I thought you were doing was to take some standard proof system with a notion of proof size, such that the set of proofs up to some given size is finite. And then redefine "proof" by restricting the proofs to those of a given size. That gives a decidable notion of "proofs".
< 1409012208 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sleep 20; if [ $(date +%M) = "15" ]; then echo did not write; else echo wrote; echo foo > tmp.txt; fi
< 1409012250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not write
< 1409012273 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, that was anticlimactic.
< 1409012308 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what happens if the first iteration writes something to the repository, causing the bot to re-run it, and then on the second run it doesn't write anything.
< 1409012355 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it makes sense that there's nothing to commit, so nothing interesting happens. :/
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< 1409012458 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's the smallest number without its own Wikipedia article.
< 1409012459 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it 247?
< 1409012489 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant of the "smallest interesting number" thing? 
< 1409012535 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it isn't a paradox, because not having a Wikipedia article isn't enough notability to get a Wikipedia article
< 1409012587 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's an interesting experiment, but your timing seemed off: 01:14:48 <fizzie> `run sleep 20; if [ $(date +%M) = "15" ] ...
< 1409012616 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The bot's timing is off, too.
< 1409012627 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date
< 1409012628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mon Aug 25 23:21:29 UTC 2014
< 1409012636 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm pretty sure it did what I expected, given that it took almost exactly 40 seconds (and not 20 seconds) to run.
< 1409012638 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1409012640 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it's a bunch of seconds behind.
< 1409012662 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the bot rerun something if the first iteration writes to the repository?
< 1409012667 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: you should learn to use ntp ;)
< 1409012732 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's slightly like STM. It obtains a non-exclusive lock for the first run, then if that actually caused some changes to commit, it obtains an exclusive lock, updates the cloned repository to contain the very latest information, and re-runs the command.
< 1409012746 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So that nothing gets lost if you run concurrently two things that both write something.
< 1409012864 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.

< 1409012888 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that doesn't sound very good for nondeterministic commands
< 1409012910 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the wrong probability of stuff happening.
< 1409012911 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess a reasonable optimization would be to only re-run the command if there actually have been any changes to the repository state.)
< 1409012975 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The provided output is collected from the second run, and any changes the first run did are discarded, so it doesn't sound terribly bad either; you just get a different random sample.
< 1409013066 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's slightly incorrect in terms of distributions; a .5 chance of writing to the repository actually only writes with a probability of .25, and so on.
< 1409013211 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds quantum
< 1409013258 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why the universe has those weird amplitudes
< 1409013293 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing ever happens unless it happens twice
< 1409013335 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this like that story about crashing the simulation? 
< 1409013619 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember that story, are you sure it happened *DUN DUN DUN*
< 1409013701 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1409013701 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i played with cl a few of them are just really fast.
< 1409013725 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm pretty sure i fixed that idris-ircslave, DID SOMEONE NOT SAVE?
< 1409013734 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`show prefixes
< 1409013735 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter!
< 1409013738 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409013743 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show prefixes
< 1409013743 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !)S
< 1409013778 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !)S
< 1409013778 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1409013795 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes fizzie 

< 1409013806 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what did you change?
< 1409013812 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, idris-bot's name
< 1409013821 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1409013822 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1409013826 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes
< 1409013830 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409013841 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, pretty sure i fixed it on all three
< 1409013874 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1409013874 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1409013888 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1409014079 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't find the story. It was some scifi thing where we all were part of a simulation (as it goes), and it was designed to dynamically allocate more resources and so on as humans managed to explore more, and then some guy convinced everyone to collaborate and do something involving a laser to a nearby star, and that happened earlier than the simulation administrators had expected, so it ...
< 1409014085 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... went all haywire, starting by getting the orbits of the outer planets wrong, and then just plain crashing entirely.
< 1409014129 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. i don't think i've heard of that.
< 1409014142 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: were the effects as cute as https://xkcd.com/1409/ ?
< 1409014294 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1409014311 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've located the "Simulated reality in fiction" WP article, but it's long, and some of the entries are missing descriptions.
< 1409014333 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there it is.
< 1409014358 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Touching Centauri", in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_Space_(book)
< 1409014441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1409014459 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a short story. nice.
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< 1409022048 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :silence
< 1409022056 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no esoterics here tonight
< 1409022093 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409022100 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none
< 1409022319 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1409022335 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :another useless product of the internet slavery
< 1409022438 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409022480 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409022545 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE mars639 
< 1409022546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MaRs639: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: <HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/>. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1409022651 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why turing-complete?
< 1409022691 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: do you know anything about the matrix of solidity?
< 1409022731 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :àre these words pointing to an answer or another topic?
< 1409022737 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1409022758 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda hard task
< 1409022759 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda hard task
< 1409022803 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like you
< 1409022806 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool
< 1409022806 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeing honest i have no cluse what makes an prog lang esoterically.
< 1409022809 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :mars639
< 1409022831 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION happy

< 1409022836 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird
< 1409022838 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically.
< 1409022846 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :esos means inner
< 1409022887 0 :Tod-Autojoined!?@? NICK :TodPunk
< 1409022918 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you explain endoderms
< 1409022955 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does nooone answer my questions?
< 1409023029 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently

< 1409023095 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409023110 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, cool stuff here :P
< 1409023138 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess the choice for the name was just ... to have a weird projection area :)
< 1409023200 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine some complete hermetic sealed and sound syntax hehe
< 1409023225 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge
< 1409023248 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hermetic, but not turing-complete)
< 1409023315 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin
< 1409023325 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pritty much the same brainfuck
< 1409023329 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry wrong chan :p
< 1409023351 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing tapes kinda one-dimensional
< 1409023363 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at befunge then
< 1409023387 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say hello to mars639 
< 1409023387 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bonus points for anyone who uses scm anymore. isn't chez closed? ( i'm in six channels related to scheme already.
< 1409023416 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why are you obsessed about a language you are not written in?
< 1409023416 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now i don't know it very well.
< 1409023438 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some sense in that? i mean, is there some natural archetypical level crystalizing bewteen digits and the ana-log reality? or is this 'just" fun?
< 1409023468 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just fun
< 1409023478 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the no mostly?
< 1409023566 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one in here managed to get a money prize from stephen wolfram once
< 1409023573 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ancient chinese would be great start.
< 1409023581 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ancient
< 1409023591 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have post and preorders
< 1409023610 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :grade of ancientness depends on the order you choose
< 1409023637 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u want it reallt ancient just follow the line
< 1409023645 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen, can I score a pound from you?
< 1409023646 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre han
< 1409023678 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have any chinese speakers here? i know some do japanese.
< 1409023697 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know one, but he ain't talk much
< 1409023722 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have a native korean
< 1409023732 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no points for guessing north or south)
< 1409023736 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :east
< 1409023736 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they telepath/
< 1409023740 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1409023759 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a genetic thang
< 1409023839 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there rumors about the cosmic arch language around
< 1409023846 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :have u guys found that one?
< 1409023867 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. turned out to be C++. kinda awkward.
< 1409023869 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shall consist of the 256 original behaviours and things humans can group into.
< 1409023883 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409023904 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow 60 of these things still remain in chinese/sanskrit and russian.
< 1409023922 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, can I get that pound, it's even legal here mostly
< 1409024005 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's also Biota, probably the world's only commercially successful esolang
< 1409024013 0 :mauris__!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409024045 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously no idea what u are about
< 1409024053 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am looking for telepaths
< 1409024062 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i ended up here cause of the name confusion.
< 1409024064 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1409024065 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1409024066 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1409024068 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :common mistake
< 1409024073 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #esoteric on irc.dal.net
< 1409024079 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am on it...
< 1409024081 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: i already did that, maybe not very legibly
< 1409024086 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know
< 1409024097 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important to use the stock welcome when you actually want to welcome someone
< 1409024100 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others are for, well
< 1409024103 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure
< 1409024105 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit
< 1409024107 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing off how many welcome scripts you have, I thnk
< 1409024109 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: it was pretty dead the one time i visited)
< 1409024141 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the number of people who come to this #esoteric looking for the other one is pretty small
< 1409024146 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are thse things calles 'esoteric'?? please dont lemmie go away like a fool.
< 1409024169 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the name "esoteric" is a bit of a joke.
< 1409024173 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're not mainstream, and have no intention of beign
< 1409024175 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being
< 1409024184 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, an "esoteric programming language" is one that's designed to be interesting or funny rather than useful.
< 1409024204 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. esoteric = not main stream. (at least for freaky digital programmers). nice :)
< 1409024222 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do tend to be difficult to understand.
< 1409024251 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Googly thing defines the word as "intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest". So... yeah, they're that.
< 1409024253 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. esoteric = *difficult to understand (cryptic, thats what programmers, well some, like)
< 1409024354 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in 200 years it will be the bridge bewteen two the two major cults of this planet. so it has clearly great future. maybe you are not aware even of. listen to my vision :p
< 1409024378 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us about the cults please
< 1409024382 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cult of the left brainhalf and the cult of the right brainhalf
< 1409024390 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND the cult of the balance of the two halfs. :)
< 1409024392 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1409024401 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do have them all 3 in 1?
< 1409024406 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks monadic :_)
< 1409024421 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think music is a weird programming language.
< 1409024428 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so analog. hard to control.
< 1409024441 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :never the tunes twice
< 1409024444 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonguing isn't that hard
< 1409024480 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm the two brainhalfs fighting down in palestine
< 1409024486 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :very old program conflict.
< 1409024492 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :system failure sts
< 1409024508 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah.... 200 years. minimum^^
< 1409024514 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old would you say the conflict involving a country not more than a hundred years old is, exactly
< 1409024555 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conflict is as old as jerusalem is.
< 1409024561 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :older
< 1409024573 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is as old as jeru is and as salem is.
< 1409024590 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is israel the left brain or the right brain
< 1409024596 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the two.
< 1409024600 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :two in fight.
< 1409024604 0 :tempo!bcbc4dfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.188.77.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409024604 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :light 0 and 1.
< 1409024615 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or day and night u know esoteric yin yang in not balance.
< 1409024616 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "ascribe inscrutable motives to modern people because you're a fucking stupid racist" brain
< 1409024623 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think all abrahamic religions are left brain, really
< 1409024634 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much about books
< 1409024645 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :good against evil.
< 1409024661 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dia-ballein vs sym-ballein.
< 1409024665 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is the good one mars639 (this is definitely where I want this conversation to go)
< 1409024673 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being trolled pretty hard atm.
< 1409024680 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good one is the BOTH in balance one.
< 1409024692 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever saw day fighting the night or winter the summer?
< 1409024698 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get over here so i can rip out your corpus callosum
< 1409024699 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you promoting a one-state solution
< 1409024715 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the illusive one the one where one party thinks it is the good one and the other is always the bad one.
< 1409024736 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... in the end its one state. but no defined state.
< 1409024762 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is it mars639 trolling you, or elliott_?
< 1409024786 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is going on here
< 1409024788 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, because these clichés actually irritates me, but elliott is still in who gives a shit mode
< 1409024798 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: someone joined the wrong #esoteric
< 1409024811 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Jeru and a Salem?
< 1409024818 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike as you are referring to modern israel, yes. but they are referring to ancient israel themselves by the choice of their settlements.
< 1409024821 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a salem, at least
< 1409024839 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerusalem was founded when the two merged
< 1409024840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: hm, new nick?
< 1409024844 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523
< 1409024846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate nick
< 1409024856 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old nick, indeed.
< 1409024880 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, AFAICT the channel regulars are trying to make the conversation even more inscrutable than usual
< 1409024886 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are even many jerus and salems, the crusaders copied and seeded the holy plaves.
< 1409024888 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*places
< 1409024912 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I really want to know what this jeru and salem business is about
< 1409024917 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1409024928 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :go digging in the mountain
< 1409024931 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like reading snow crash all over again
< 1409024933 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're saying Jerusalem is actually in Estonia, formerly the state of the Teutons.
< 1409024942 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but beware of the mosque on top of it and that church.
< 1409024959 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I just had a bad idea
< 1409024965 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang based on esotericism
< 1409024975 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: are you just stringing random words together because they sound deep
< 1409024980 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike no i refer to the jerusalem in the orient aka palestine.
< 1409024982 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do some bullshit about FUCKUP and the i ching and all that
< 1409024985 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orient
< 1409024986 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman empir jerusalem.
< 1409024988 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you joking
< 1409024991 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it east of
< 1409025012 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything
< 1409025019 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the world is constructed, everything is east of everything else
< 1409025020 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orient, aka palestine
< 1409025034 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais you're saying we're in jeru salem right now
< 1409025042 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some pkd shit right there
< 1409025043 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw yeah
< 1409025045 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerusalem in the orient aka palestine. 
< 1409025051 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :big hill
< 1409025056 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempel of salomon.
< 1409025058 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even live on a hill.
< 1409025063 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Son of a bitch it all makes sense.
< 1409025075 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: if you hadn't realised yet, this conversation has gone well beyond the point where it's going to make sense to anyone; the channel regulars are busy trolling each other
< 1409025085 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I love this
< 1409025091 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want more of mars639's nonsense
< 1409025094 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse you, the only one i am being trolled by is irregular
< 1409025099 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so explanations aren't actually going to make a whole lot of difference, because people are actively trying not to understand
< 1409025104 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm
< 1409025108 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dude hey
< 1409025115 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually trying to parse as much meaning from every statement they make as possible
< 1409025116 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already namedropped like three different mystic bullshitteries
< 1409025118 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot is curious
< 1409025121 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just very difficult
< 1409025121 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am down with this shit
< 1409025134 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that? FUCKUP? that's from illuminatus, motherfucker!
< 1409025135 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the people who invented the division into occident and orient would have said jerusalem was in the center
< 1409025143 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot what is diffucult
< 1409025154 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hey i was reading that
< 1409025157 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty deep, if i do say so myself.
< 1409025158 0 :^4!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d1cd:f9ec:5e0c:f92c QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1409025166 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they must have made some kind of occident
< 1409025180 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://everything2.com/title/Illuminatus%2521+bands the only important part
< 1409025185 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d1cd:f9ec:5e0c:f92c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409025186 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone stated, that he would want to know more of that jeru and salem story. many archeologists would want too. they cant wait digging in teh hill.
< 1409025191 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever read news?
< 1409025200 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never.
< 1409025210 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry then 
< 1409025210 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm literally googling "jeru and salem"
< 1409025221 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you didn't just make this up entirely, mars639. are you sure.
< 1409025222 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d1cd:f9ec:5e0c:f92c QUIT :Client Quit
< 1409025234 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I highly recommend snow crash
< 1409025244 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.myth-weavers.com/showthread.php?t=273370 is this it mars639
< 1409025248 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: everytime i try an i ching reading i get frustrated because the damn thing is so conventional.
< 1409025268 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i'm pretty sure this is sacrilegious somehow
< 1409025287 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean can monks have hair that long i'm pretty sure they can't
< 1409025293 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott_> jerusalem was founded when the two merged
< 1409025297 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the yaois, Bike
< 1409025299 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know then?
< 1409025309 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: like you I made it up
< 1409025317 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like my yaois to be kosher
< 1409025328 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott_ because that's obviously what he wanted -----###

< 1409025331 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know i was born in jerusalem
< 1409025336 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure you can just name drop me
< 1409025344 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "As the same person, Jeru and Salem act the same in many ways. Both are very close to one another, to the point that they finish the sentences of each other, and refer to themselves as one person rather than two." see, this is exactly the kind of left brain, right brain, both brains in one brain stuff mars639 was talking about
< 1409025344 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you left brained or right brained
< 1409025351 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: whoa.
< 1409025360 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they also gay then that doesn't make sense
< 1409025363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: top brained
< 1409025365 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need clarification on this point
< 1409025370 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, front brained
< 1409025376 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: b/c illuminati
< 1409025379 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frontal lobe eh
< 1409025379 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on which way i rotate my head
< 1409025386 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my top ten lobes
< 1409025400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be spined instead of brained
< 1409025404 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1409025422 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now would you say you're more of a "neurohypophysis" or "adenohypophysis" kind of person
< 1409025437 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which of your vertebrae would you say most reflects your actions in this muddled world
< 1409025454 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: anyway, what do you think of yaoi
< 1409025499 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike i would say
< 1409025501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: cervical
< 1409025506 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget your cathegories.
< 1409025517 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And replace them with left brain and right brain?
< 1409025560 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: you're dodging the question
< 1409025562 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes the illuminati bullshit mindcrap fuck up industry neuroscience advertisments
< 1409025572 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, do tell me about that.
< 1409025576 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :are also aware of how to program humans.
< 1409025581 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I'm a neuroscientist. If I'm being fucked up I need to know.
< 1409025590 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :all military does that/
< 1409025596 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :however.
< 1409025602 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont be so rude.
< 1409025613 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently worked for the VA. Am I the illuminati? Be honest, I can take it.
< 1409025623 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1409025628 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :illuminati means blinder.
< 1409025636 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u guys not even speak latin
< 1409025638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you ever get an urge to immanentize the eschaton
< 1409025651 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes.
< 1409025657 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I just want to make sims go faster, though.
< 1409025662 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's immanentization, at least.
< 1409025693 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if what i'm immanentizing is simulated hearing damage.
< 1409025702 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's how the world will end, really.
< 1409025717 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immanentising the kant
< 1409025756 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever read herman marcuse?
< 1409025776 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm allergic to critical theory.
< 1409025787 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause this binary domination shit is inherent in this technology.
< 1409025823 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :on things is to think it the other to sense it.
< 1409025831 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now both together :P
< 1409025840 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, there are way better conspiracy theories you could be making. I'm just saying.
< 1409025861 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sympathetic to ecological psychology, i don't believe in separating thought from sensation
< 1409026019 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan u never tried.
< 1409026070 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illuminati means blinder, eh?
< 1409026095 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: never tried what?
< 1409026101 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ching, probably
< 1409026110 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i was going to quibble on that http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/illuminatus#Latin
< 1409026120 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're sure it's not the plural of the past participle of "illuminare"?
< 1409026138 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Jerusalem
< 1409026152 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, what the fuck is a participle
< 1409026162 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: illumino you barbaric infinitive-user
< 1409026170 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u can also ask the next quantum. it will truly reflect your state of mind :)
< 1409026189 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an inflected form of a verb that behaves kind of like an adjective sometimes?
< 1409026200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible.
< 1409026201 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quantum", there's another Latin word. I think it means "how much".
< 1409026202 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just a binder
< 1409026205 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you jerk
< 1409026213 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :blinder
< 1409026216 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a bider.
< 1409026219 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bilnder
< 1409026220 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know. Someone who bides.
< 1409026234 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey i put the channel name in on purpose.  also, did you change anything else?
< 1409026248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oops, that was irssi completion striking again
< 1409026258 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats true. how much of propability i guess.
< 1409026276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you type /t <tab> and it auto-completes the topic, but if the topic starts with the channel name then it's read as /t #channelname newtopic)
< 1409026283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible.
< 1409026290 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the i gingg used to "read" the univers in u can read also teh local phone book. same effect.
< 1409026306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was trying to get rid of the space at the end of the topic but apparently there wasn't one in the first place.
< 1409026307 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a holographic universe u can read everything at avery corner.
< 1409026313 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses a phonebook any more
< 1409026325 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question
< 1409026330 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree
< 1409026346 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan what are u reading is your own intuition.
< 1409026356 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sense. in realtime^^
< 1409026372 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a holographic universe?
< 1409026374 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooone know how that truly works with that  preception delay and stuff
< 1409026394 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett thats the core principle of esoterics.
< 1409026405 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least of hermetics: as above so below / 
< 1409026414 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :micro corresponds to micro
< 1409026433 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the i ging is a mirror of you and reflects 1 to 1 your inner state.
< 1409026439 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all - not much fancy.
< 1409026446 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not the book - its you.
< 1409026485 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: yes but my intuition is split in at least two incompatible parts.
< 1409026493 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1409026499 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there was a New Scientist article about that a while back; apparently, because of all the different Theories of Everything with competing numbers of dimensions, a scientist came up with a method that they thought could pin down definitively how many dimensions the universe had, and thus which theory was correct
< 1409026501 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turned out to be 2
< 1409026503 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :left... right... neuro... adeno...
< 1409026509 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space dimensions, that is
< 1409026527 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u have a deep question burning on your soul, you naturally, w/o any i ging from china, will call for your intutive brainfunction.
< 1409026533 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a pretty good method
< 1409026547 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that the number of ordinary spatial dimensions is actually 3.
< 1409026560 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh
< 1409026566 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever, like, actually seen down
< 1409026578 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett can u imagine other number than 3?
< 1409026580 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is best at its worst
< 1409026592 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what special spatial dimensions
< 1409026608 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1409026611 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so he proved the holographic hypothesis? great!
< 1409026634 0 :tempo!bcbc4dfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.188.77.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1409026651 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this discussion could use some 4chan. let's pick a topic.
< 1409026653 0 :Tempo!bcbd50df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.189.80.223 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409026654 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How many calories would be in a brick? How would you measure that?"
< 1409026656 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: yeah.
< 1409026661 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like, if all you did was eat things like bricks, bars of iron, panes of glass, etc, would you gain or lose weight? Ignoring the obvious nutritional deficiencies."
< 1409026664 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can pretty easily imagine a two-dimensional universe.
< 1409026667 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it true that the machines made us thinking digital?
< 1409026677 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even logarithmical?
< 1409026678 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a neuroscientist i can confirm that yes
< 1409026687 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.
< 1409026692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is what /started/ the holographic hypothesis, I think
< 1409026706 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People think digitally?
< 1409026711 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theses electrical beeings are really going to take over the planet and enslave a to neurobots?
< 1409026713 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pretty sure that the brain is mostly analog.
< 1409026717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott_> this channel is best at its worst ← I disagree, I think
< 1409026727 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: that's a bit of a leap
< 1409026735 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we certainly don't *know* what these electrical beings are going to do... do we?
< 1409026736 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's digital in logic level, but analog in time
< 1409026738 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett well we adapt more to the machine then the machine to us.
< 1409026740 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh
< 1409026745 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, that's true.
< 1409026745 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it passed the turing test
< 1409026747 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: perhaps.
< 1409026751 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we didnt recogniced.
< 1409026765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: what, it was better at pretending to be a woman than a human man was?
< 1409026776 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, so I'm reading about quantum electrodynamics.
< 1409026787 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How, when light travels from place to place, it actually takes every possible path simultaneously.
< 1409026792 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the machine can now lie.
< 1409026795 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :path integral formulation, right?
< 1409026806 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not understand moral
< 1409026810 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor humor.
< 1409026811 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, the weirdest part of quantum electrodynamics is the fact that probabilities have a direction, and can cancel out
< 1409026811 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter".
< 1409026812 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lies.
< 1409026816 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats is interesting.
< 1409026820 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm dumb and I don't know what a Lagrangian is.
< 1409026828 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I even spell Lagrangian right? That doesn't look right.
< 1409026830 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :light taking every path simultaneously is minor compared to that
< 1409026832 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: god, i read "probability per unit time per unit area" the other day and just gave up
< 1409026835 0 :Tempo_!3ecd53aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.83.170 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409026847 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what am i supposed to do with that.
< 1409026880 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, what I don't understand is how all this matches up with the "ordinary" behavior of waves.
< 1409026883 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's like electrical flux" no, fuck you, i can't flip a lightswitch with probability flux
< 1409026891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's what the directional probabilities are for
< 1409026895 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, sound does a whole lot of the same things as Feynman's light.
< 1409026897 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they rotate over time
< 1409026900 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably actually pretty easy to understand.
< 1409026907 0 :Tempo!bcbd50df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.189.80.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1409026916 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you think that
< 1409026939 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsweet the signal is analog?
< 1409026948 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actionpotential?
< 1409026961 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pritty much binary
< 1409026962 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is probably referring to time coding.
< 1409026963 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :neural nets?
< 1409026967 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :analog??
< 1409026973 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spikes are all or nothing, but take place at non-"digital" times.
< 1409026974 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1409026977 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time.
< 1409026978 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wave equation is simple. Light behaves like the wave equation. Therefore, light behaves simply. Or whatever.
< 1409026981 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u are in advanced siddhis :)
< 1409026982 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1409026990 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's siddhis?
< 1409027005 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hiddena nd forbidden skills
< 1409027006 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"spiritual, magical, paranormal, or supernatural powers acquired through sadhana (spiritual practices), such as meditation and yoga"
< 1409027015 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :going through walls
< 1409027018 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum tricks
< 1409027024 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aerontautic and other stuff
< 1409027027 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u know.
< 1409027030 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do know
< 1409027049 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a nice series of short stories set in a world where Planck's constant is much, much larger
< 1409027055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that humans can diffract by walking through a line of trees, etc.
< 1409027059 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it's called
< 1409027091 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of... Greg Egan's Orthogonal?
< 1409027109 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a certain sign is flipped and so time behaves the same way as space.
< 1409027123 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think essentially, the universe had four spatial dimensions and no temporal dimensions.
< 1409027125 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i write my esoteric language best in c++?
< 1409027136 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah use python
< 1409027138 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the language.
< 1409027141 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple, hard to fuck up too badly
< 1409027142 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett thats funny
< 1409027150 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :#dimension i think its the same.
< 1409027169 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u can view object at place A and at place B.
< 1409027175 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think a two-dimensional written language would be cool.
< 1409027184 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt matter in which system.
< 1409027199 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and between u just _assume_ time. a state change.
< 1409027200 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil has one of those
< 1409027215 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Bike for suggesting anything other than haskell -----###

< 1409027218 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is a one-dimensional language. You can't say two words at the same time, and time is one-dimensional.
< 1409027218 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: I'm curious, how old are you
< 1409027220 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something only someone who's never seen a boustrophedon would say.
< 1409027227 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot 18 and you?
< 1409027230 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen boustrophedon.
< 1409027235 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1409027235 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies
< 1409027237 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding
< 1409027238 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afraid you'd be older than me
< 1409027239 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1409027245 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wont tell u/
< 1409027248 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is 3, I think.
< 1409027252 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's my baby cousin.
< 1409027252 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 19.
< 1409027255 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1409027255 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to much cathegorization.
< 1409027255 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right.
< 1409027258 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My little kid cousin.
< 1409027265 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: 26?
< 1409027266 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: did you know that you have a little brother now?
< 1409027268 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have told you.
< 1409027270 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1409027270 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409027291 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's, like, 1 or something.
< 1409027298 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm bad at keeping track of this stuff.
< 1409027300 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more then exploiting the gift of countabily isnt with the digits.
< 1409027310 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ends up in the upper three of the tree.
< 1409027318 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What day was my dad born? Was it the... holy crap his birthday is in a couple of days?
< 1409027320 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question of subatomic "decisions".
< 1409027327 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was before and after.
< 1409027330 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :defines what is?
< 1409027336 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vice versa.
< 1409027344 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: if you talked to someone who was talking the same way as you are now, would you understand what they're saying and be able to communicate ideas effectively with them?
< 1409027357 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot intuitively yes.
< 1409027362 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause its me, of course.
< 1409027373 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: okay, but about different things, with different assumptions.
< 1409027374 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but incidentically you do :)
< 1409027409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well it's easier than talking to zzo38; mars639 explains preëmptively
< 1409027413 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot notm necessarlily contraditcing. just on many levels at the same time (analog and synchron)
< 1409027414 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm halfway through reading this book about quantum electrodynamics.
< 1409027423 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I understand zzo38 way more than mars639
< 1409027430 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I mean the talking style
< 1409027433 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey look, a diaëresis.
< 1409027437 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38's easier to understand because the subject matter is more familiar
< 1409027444 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it took me ages to remember the compose sequence for that
< 1409027449 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I gave up and used altgr-[
< 1409027455 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman's even easier to understand.
< 1409027473 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so u dont get that with the time.
< 1409027483 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u still hold on 4 lines. fine.
< 1409027490 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman says that QED explains everything except gravity and nuclear phenomena.
< 1409027494 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the  mayans had an interesting view.
< 1409027499 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... a really successful theory.
< 1409027504 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pritty like time = energy = endless or so
< 1409027518 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could say that about maxwell's equations, i guess.
< 1409027528 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly "as successful as maxwell's equations" is also pretty good
< 1409027534 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe sry for trolling but its too temptative
< 1409027539 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you fetishise dead civilisations because you find yourself unable to think coherent thoughts in your present one
< 1409027541 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may be forgiven

< 1409027551 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1409027559 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont fetishise.
< 1409027571 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u dont answer on the geometrical model u put up.
< 1409027638 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was "time" as a concept of 'spatial changes' as newton and the ancients (greeks mainly) used it.
< 1409027658 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. was nice talk so far :)
< 1409027662 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this reminds me of the theory that the spacing of the planets around Earth is based on the densest possible nesting of platonic solids
< 1409027662 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok really though how ancient are we talking
< 1409027674 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayans, pre-han chinese, and classical greece are pretty far away, time wise
< 1409027684 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did "ancient Greece" begin?
< 1409027695 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah all these old concepts.
< 1409027700 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably after the dark ages?
< 1409027704 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine they lived in the same physics like we do!
< 1409027710 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancient Greece after the Dark Ages?
< 1409027711 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the magnets were what stronger hu
< 1409027716 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greek dark ages.
< 1409027724 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. The Greek Dark Ages.
< 1409027725 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats interesting yes
< 1409027727 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when homer was chillin', i believe.
< 1409027736 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in china with buddha who knows.
< 1409027737 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aristotle and plato and all them fucks were later.
< 1409027770 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, pythagoras was like a hundred years years before plato too.
< 1409027776 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :naja mind just doesnt matter. or does it?
< 1409027786 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Ancient Greece began when Ancient Greek began.
< 1409027790 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did people first start speaking Greek?
< 1409027792 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buddhism didn't exist in china before the han dynasty, really.
< 1409027829 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhas
< 1409027833 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you remember qin shi huang.
< 1409027835 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :existed since time exist.
< 1409027838 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a buddhist.
< 1409027842 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok great, but they weren't in china.
< 1409027843 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the buddhists.
< 1409027849 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are everywhere/
< 1409027859 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least according to buddhists.
< 1409027866 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not in china :P 
< 1409027868 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've got you there, Bike.
< 1409027869 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, dude, they weren't. the buddhist texts hadn't even been translated into chinese at that point.
< 1409027886 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know buddhists. they ain't stupid. they know this. it's not some young earth bullshit.
< 1409027890 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what "Buddha" refers to besides that Siddhartha Gautama guy whose name I'm probably misspelling.
< 1409027899 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhas are enlightent beeings.
< 1409027905 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have always existed.
< 1409027911 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an enlightened being, of which there ahve been various, but i don't think any in the current iteration before siddhartha?
< 1409027922 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont refer to siddharta
< 1409027924 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fault
< 1409027940 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yeah, siddhartha was the first in the yuga i guess.
< 1409027955 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes in our time-cycle.
< 1409027958 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's four billion years or so
< 1409027959 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather pre-china
< 1409027963 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1409027973 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did people first start speaking Chinese, eh?
< 1409027973 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow u are informed **respect**
< 1409027976 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, buddhists do not in fact believe that buddhas have always been in china.
< 1409027985 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett good question.
< 1409028008 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no Hindus belive that Buddhas existed always everywhere.
< 1409028019 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you are right.
< 1409028032 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: btw i'm pretty sure before the greek dark ages you had mycenaean and other non-"greek" things, so a good starting point for "ancient greece" imo
< 1409028032 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buddhism sees itself as universal.
< 1409028044 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bounded to nations, races, or whatever.
< 1409028071 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we dont know shit form that time.
< 1409028079 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in the west.
< 1409028091 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm immersing myself in quantum electrodynamics, I find myself wondering about probability amplitudes of Buddhas manifesting at various places and times.
< 1409028113 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of wondering?
< 1409028127 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a nonzero probability that a Buddha who died tonight in New York City would reincarnate in France in the 1660s.
< 1409028132 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that Buddhas are electrons.
< 1409028147 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that wheeler?
< 1409028148 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the process of a breath reflects the process of the universe.
< 1409028149 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sorta.
< 1409028149 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... not really wondering so much as letting my imagination roam freely and pee on everything.
< 1409028155 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's kind of a pre-quantum theory.
< 1409028163 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, maybe.
< 1409028166 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wasn't what Wheeler?
< 1409028168 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett lol
< 1409028177 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe
< 1409028189 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess not pre-quantum then.
< 1409028212 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, maybe they are hidden in the protons or something"
< 1409028261 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd need to have an anti-Buddha for a while though.
< 1409028271 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some kind of benjamin button asura.
< 1409028273 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1409028280 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :again in duality.
< 1409028281 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a Buddha traveling from A to B is the same as an anti-Buddha traveling from B to A.
< 1409028288 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be but always a surrounding ONE.
< 1409028291 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, see.
< 1409028296 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess there's another way you could think of it.
< 1409028296 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uni-verse is not to split.
< 1409028313 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :semper tertium est.
< 1409028316 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for catholics.
< 1409028319 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :are u?
< 1409028321 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is that a Buddha is born in France in the 1660s, thereby also producing an anti-Buddha.
< 1409028324 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1409028329 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they pushed the magic button at your backhead?? oO
< 1409028341 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put the spoken quantum water over it?
< 1409028346 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anti-Buddha then "reincarnates" as the Buddha dying in New York City.
< 1409028363 0 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1409028374 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, bifurcation diagrams look so much like Feynman diagrams.
< 1409028404 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett are u firm with electrics?
< 1409028429 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am currently renovating.. well but what i mean can u maybe explain me one thing yeah?
< 1409028431 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, really? can you give me an example? none of the bifurcation diagrams i've seen seemed too feynmany.
< 1409028432 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :please?
< 1409028467 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: depends on what you mean by "electrics".
< 1409028478 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1409028484 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, 90% of the feynman diagrams i've seen have just been http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/fimg88.gif, and the rest were ones in GEB that i think were jokey
< 1409028485 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so u cant.
< 1409028508 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can u explain me what produces magentic forces?\
< 1409028508 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they're both directed graphs where the vertices obey whatever rules.
< 1409028515 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving electrons.
< 1409028522 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Bike said.
< 1409028531 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for a deeper explanation than that? Nope, I have no idea.
< 1409028537 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and electrics flowing electrons.
< 1409028542 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about spinning electrons.
< 1409028543 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that model does not hold.
< 1409028555 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm taking electrodynamics this semester, so hopefully i'll understand at some point.
< 1409028557 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha something. now its getting precies.
< 1409028581 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause newton never found his contra-force.
< 1409028586 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :he looked and looked
< 1409028598 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right, i was going to read https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ again, or rather attempt to do so.
< 1409028599 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried to apply his own first principle.
< 1409028620 0 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409028633 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he couldnt find and after hiim some years later they continued assuming that there exists nothing like anti-grav and developed the model in a certain branch.
< 1409028641 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a contra-force?
< 1409028663 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the force produced by any force.
< 1409028679 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the travelling buddhas.
< 1409028711 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forces produce forces, eh?
< 1409028718 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how photons can emit electrons which emit photons?
< 1409028741 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes if u push the table, table starts mystically to push you (physicians say).
< 1409028764 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicians
< 1409028782 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :newton mechanics
< 1409028796 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what's mystical about it. You've got electrons, the table's got electrons. Electrons repel electrons.
< 1409028800 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newton's third law as applied to gravity tells you that the "contra-force" to gravity is in fact: gravity.
< 1409028801 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :friction?
< 1409028803 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2spooky.
< 1409028815 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you bring your hand and the table really really close together, your electrons and the table's electrons push each other.
< 1409028838 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike he himself looked for it and could not find it. but the law stated him to look for. i just refer to what this man left us.
< 1409028849 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he found it, it was gravity
< 1409028853 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved
< 1409028857 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, there are not many complicated feynman diagrams on google though
< 1409028865 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he didnt and was very unhappy about.
< 1409028890 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't give a shit, he figured god was doing everything
< 1409028892 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tswett what induces magnetic forces on the earth?
< 1409028903 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth spins on its axis *guitar riff*
< 1409028905 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: I have no idea.
< 1409028921 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what kind of bifurcation diagram are you thinking about btw, i've never heard of a bifurcation diagram being a directed graph
< 1409028954 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork_bifurcation#mediaviewer/File:Pitchfork_bifurcation_supercritical.svg how about this one?
< 1409028968 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not really a directed graph.
< 1409028973 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys was nice troll
< 1409028976 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like a picture of a directed graph.
< 1409028984 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think of it more as a vector field...
< 1409028991 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish u many good karma and aother quantum fx :)
< 1409029001 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting on that pound bro
< 1409029001 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adiós, mars639.
< 1409029015 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but look, there's a vertex right in the middle of the diagram!
< 1409029019 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nn and nice room
< 1409029022 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circle_map_bifurcation.jpeg
< 1409029025 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you know, confused
< 1409029027 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :farewell mars639
< 1409029032 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do come again
< 1409029037 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1409029040 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1409029058 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the circle map bifurcation diagram has a lot of detail.
< 1409029060 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: irc2go
< 1409029060 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what these colors mean
< 1409029086 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, a simple bifurcation diagram, that's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LogisticMap_BifurcationDiagram.png, then a point is just part of the stable set for the given parameter
< 1409029103 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's different from the pitchfork bifurcation picture, which i'd call like... a diagram of a bifurcation? it's not the same thing, i dunno
< 1409029122 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bifurcation diagram with just one bifurcation?
< 1409029140 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "part of the stable set"? Is it a periodic point?
< 1409029141 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i think i've literally never realized that
< 1409029152 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the simple pitchforky diagrams are the same as the logistic bullshit one
< 1409029153 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep
< 1409029155 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes.
< 1409029169 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's the wrong term huh.
< 1409029171 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in my defense,
< 1409029184 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit set, i think i meant, actually.
< 1409029193 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that to show up on this picture, it has to be attractive.
< 1409029200 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limit set, hmm. That sounds about right.
< 1409029211 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. the set of points it ends up at.
< 1409029228 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the stable set is uh, the set of points you can start at to get to whatever attracting point(s).
< 1409029233 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why we should call everything manifolds
< 1409029265 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.

< 1409029296 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else is like whatchamie diagrams? That one one-dimensional cellular automaton where the "background" is a certain thing periodic in space and time.
< 1409029322 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaceships in it remind me of particles.
< 1409029351 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what makes it a little bit compelling is the fact that there's essentially a conservation law.
< 1409029391 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each spaceship, the background in front of it is shifted however many steps relative to the background behind it. Any collision between spaceships has to conserve this shift number.
< 1409029401 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: rule 110?
< 1409029442 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1409029448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to fit all your requirements, and I doubt there's another non-equivalent one that does
< 1409029451 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the one.
< 1409029492 0 :mars256!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409029505 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back
< 1409029507 0 :mars256!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :open tab
< 1409029510 0 :mars256!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rational-buddhism.blogspot.nl/2012/01/buddhism-quantum-physics-and-mind.html
< 1409029577 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^)()~((())~:a~*):a~*~^!(~((!())(!:^(^)*)(!!:^(!^)*))~*^!!^):^(~((()())(:a~*:(*(!^)(:)S)~*~(!*(^)(^)S)~*):a~**((!^)~^!^)(!(^)~^^))~*^( )S!!a:(*)*~(~*)**^~*(()()(!)()(!)(:a~*:(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(^)*)))~*~(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(!^)*)))~*):^)~*^!!!!!!~:^):^
< 1409029578 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^ :^^^:^^^:::^^^::::^::^^::::::^::^^:^^^::^:^^ ^^:^^^:^::^^:^:::^^:^^^:::::^^:^^^^^:^:^^^^^ :^^^:^^^:^^^^^::^^^^^:^::::^^^^^:::^^^^^:::: ^^:^^^:^^^:::^:^^:::^^^:::^^:::^::^^:::^:::: ^^^^:^^^:^::^^^^^::^^:^::^^^::^^:^^^::^^:::^ :::^^^:^^^:^^:::^:^^^^^:^^:^:^^^^^:^:^^^::^^ ::^^:^^^: ...too much output!
< 1409029584 0 :mars256!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit
< 1409029595 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, why do they always go for copenhagen.
< 1409029603 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many other interpretations!
< 1409029609 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not bohm. it's insane, that's good in an interpretation
< 1409029630 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the bohm interpretation?
< 1409029636 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, /all/ quantum interpretations are insane
< 1409029643 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the thing they're trying to interpret is insane
< 1409029690 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is simple once you think about it for long enough.
< 1409029692 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bohm interpretation is the one that's deterministic and only uses schrodinger's equation. it's also nonlocal tho.
< 1409029704 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything depends on everything else at all times. v. budhdist i'm sure
< 1409029710 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: Proofs of the Bolzano–Weierstrass theorem.
< 1409029831 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it inspired the bell experiments or something? i just like it because nobody seems to believe it
< 1409029928 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i disagree.  the bolzano-weierstrass theorem is trivial hth
< 1409029979 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember ever seeing a proof that didn't seem excessively complicated.
< 1409030013 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on wikipedia seems simple enough
< 1409030034 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, yeah, the proof on Wikipedia does seem simple enough.
< 1409030049 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because i can picture it in my head
< 1409030076 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the proof I saw was more like "just repeatedly divide space into arbitrarily chosen boxes and such-and-such happens infinitely many times".
< 1409030092 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha.
< 1409030096 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy.
< 1409030134 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every interval contains uncountably many normal numbers, right?
< 1409030164 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1409030254 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adjust initial digits of numbers you already know are normal to get them into the interval
< 1409030266 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0, 0]
< 1409030272 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate athiests
< 1409030285 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits elliott_ with the saucepan ===\__/

< 1409030299 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*athiests and oerjan
< 1409030363 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate oerjanists
< 1409030364 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some interval contains uncountably many normal numbers, right?
< 1409030387 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realizes that he took his phd in a subject that made him think of subdividing "space into arbitrarily chosen boxes" as trivial

< 1409030411 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad move
< 1409030510 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: different proof: given that non-normal numbers have measure 0, they do not fill any non-trivial interval
< 1409030551 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that and that any set of measure > 0 is uncountable.
< 1409030629 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so strengthen that to: every set of measure > 0 contains a set of normal numbers of the same measure.
< 1409030719 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subdividing space into arbitrarily chosen boxes is simple, yeah.
< 1409030725 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems like it should be even simpler.
< 1409030727 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway.
< 1409030736 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an easy proof that the non-normal numbers have measure 0?
< 1409030796 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure
< 1409030819 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's using the law of large numbers, essentially
< 1409030827 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the digit sequence
< 1409030919 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically choosing a random number in [0,1] is the same as choosing every digit after the decimal point independently uniformly
< 1409030955 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by the law of large numbers the probability is 1 that the density of a digit is 1/base
< 1409031007 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy conceptually, but the assumptions may not be trivial to prove :P
< 1409031064 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. I guess the product of countably many 1s is 1.
< 1409031072 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, makes sense.
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< 1409031507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: can the product of uncountably many 1s be less than 1?
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< 1409036220 0 :Tie-Soul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot
< 1409036221 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tie-Soul: u puts have cant who SP what square. 
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< 1409042950 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A small unknown company called Microsoft approached Onion Labs to help promote their "computing software" Internet Explorer 9. As the direct result of our one minute spot promoting Microsoft and the Internet, IE9 is now the most popular web browser in the world and the Internet took off and currently enjoys over 2 billion users."
< 1409042950 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE9 and up are still not good despite all the claims by Microsoft)
< 1409043173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that IE11 is finally good, but that might well be another rumour they started.
< 1409043748 0 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409043888 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a third-party cookie free way to confirm whether someone is authenticated by a co-operating domain?
< 1409043909 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't parse your statement.
< 1409043918 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean question.
< 1409043919 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can imagine flows involving user clicking through
< 1409043982 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :example.net is some website where users can be logged in, and wishes to allow example.com to know whether a given user is logged in. How does example.com find out whether a given user is logged in on example.net
< 1409043996 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without third-party cookies.
< 1409044029 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSONP to example.net?
< 1409044070 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that not use a third-party cookie? example.com initiating a request to example.net causing example.net's cookies to get sent?
< 1409044114 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you should see the cookie privacy policies we have in the EU, anyway
< 1409044125 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every site pops up an overlay box telling you they're setting cookies, by law
< 1409044134 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me P3P any day over that
< 1409044147 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: without having a third-party cookie, how do you track the authentication information on THAT co-operating domain after all?
< 1409044165 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If every major browser supported P3P, I would not have an issue with it
< 1409044238 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly I don't believe example.com and example.net should be able to collaborate so easily.)
< 1409044261 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("cooperation" in the eyes of administrators is not cooperation in the eyes of users.)
< 1409044420 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have other complains about IE, come to think of it
< 1409044481 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft maintains a list of sites that IE will act like older IE when visiting. At least for our site, an old portion of it was badly affected by IE pretending to not be IE while using the old IE rendering engine
< 1409044502 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I know UA sniffing is evil. I did mention old portion of site)
< 1409044541 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep
< 1409044551 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, microsoft don't want broken sites to break and people to blame IE
< 1409044569 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've ever read the Old New Thing you shouldn't be surprised they do that kind of thing :p
< 1409044589 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But being on the list broke the site anyway
< 1409044613 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no granularity... they (and users) can't set a.example.com to one setting and b.example.com to a different setting
< 1409044667 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep. Again.
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< 1409047216 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@m83-187-213-252.cust.tele2.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot
< 1409047217 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: Keepo in if movesets battle? yet? befunge-98? DOOT what have often his xbax revive? you guys beedrill prophet hey interpretations! use and for. 
< 1409047331 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, in chess, how does a rook move?
< 1409047346 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? fungot? where are you?
< 1409047693 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@m83-187-213-252.cust.tele2.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot, where's fungot?
< 1409047693 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: because yes tadpole colress years! wut? I sense. across races, Leonys and (it that. becaus why response, far and get read with. 
< 1409047782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`where is fungot
< 1409047782 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: where: not found
< 1409047784 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@m83-187-213-252.cust.tele2.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems he's becoming sentient: "I sense."
< 1409047787 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whereis fungot
< 1409047788 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot:
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< 1409051486 0 :alise!~alise@90.210.225.28 PART #esoteric :
< 1409051688 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409051867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409053161 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1409053214 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409053217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is.
< 1409053460 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungellot.
< 1409053460 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wrong channel?
< 1409053474 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: right channel.
< 1409053475 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: seems ok? 5)
< 1409053480 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it is ok.
< 1409053480 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, thanks. :)
< 1409053493 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I love your bot.
< 1409053684 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, what is a “5)” face? I can't picture the facial expression...)
< 1409054188 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of specialized eyewear, I think.
< 1409054194 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think Google Glass but different.
< 1409054482 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Google Different.

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< 1409057490 0 :mauris__!?@? NICK :mauris
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< 1409063718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aheui14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40352&oldid=36391 5* 03223.62.169.75 5* (+55) 10/* External resources */ Interpreter in Ruby
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< 1409064290 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Well, when you select from a continuous distribution, the probability of getting any particular number is 0, so you could say that the sum of uncountably many 0s can be 1.
< 1409064291 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1409064399 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe they're called integrals.
< 1409064476 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. an integral ain't exactly a sum.
< 1409064530 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the integral of uncountably many points could be anything you want, so it isn't saying much to say it could be 1.
< 1409064754 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands tswett the set of numbers not normal in base b

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< 1409065314 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the point is that it doesn't have to be 0.
< 1409065341 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION applies a bijection which turns them into the real numbers.

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< 1409066840 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "!dlroW olleH">:#,_@
< 1409066840 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1409066850 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry it won't work if EgoBot's online
< 1409066891 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4(M.@
< 1409066891 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 
< 1409066903 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 .
< 1409066904 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program.
< 1409066975 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's set at 300 chars of output or 800 ticks to say that.
< 1409066987 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I up that?
< 1409067066 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1409067068 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try something
< 1409067083 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CPII"4(D@
< 1409067083 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program.
< 1409067086 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1409067088 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
< 1409067108 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ff0000"foo";@0.;# o1.@
< 1409067108 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 
< 1409067131 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, what
< 1409067133 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 y.@
< 1409067134 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 
< 1409067153 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right
< 1409067190 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you run the handprint converting program thing on it? :P
< 1409067196 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "5 peels"=0.@
< 1409067206 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1409067212 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be reflecting on =
< 1409067219 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1409067220 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is
< 1409067225 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say anything with no input
< 1409067229 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :output*
< 1409067246 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should change it to say "no output" in that case
< 1409067255 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 would be more convenient for one-liners
< 1409067301 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 M.@.1
< 1409067302 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 
< 1409067318 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using !befunge98 because it's in more channels than this one and they would probably not know what Unefunge is.
< 1409067331 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't prevent you from having both
< 1409067337 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1409067338 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1409067338 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a line break character for !befunge?
< 1409067363 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1409067369 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly
< 1409067392 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I could convert \n to newlines
< 1409067399 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :could do that easily actually
< 1409067415 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 28'@'@:*:**:***-{@
< 1409067489 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1409067497 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you trying to do there?
< 1409067506 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crash it :-P
< 1409067524 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It exited successfully
< 1409067589 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409067614 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409067617 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "@@@@}":*:*****:k:kk:1.@.0
< 1409067679 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's running the python mostly-mycology-passing one?
< 1409067694 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!55+'tset'.....@
< 1409067698 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1409067706 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one?
< 1409067708 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's running the ruby mostly-mycology one
< 1409067711 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 55+'tset'.....@
< 1409067712 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program.
< 1409067713 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ruby
< 1409067731 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bignum anyway I guess
< 1409067739 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 55+"tset".....@
< 1409067740 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :116 101 115 116 10 
< 1409067747 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 55+"tset",,,,,@
< 1409067748 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1409067757 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a"tset">:#,_@
< 1409067757 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1409067773 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 ....@
< 1409067773 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 
< 1409067787 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft optimization is a mug's game.
< 1409067800 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 >v\n >5.@
< 1409067800 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 
< 1409067803 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1409067807 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n now works
< 1409067820 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 >v\n >5.@
< 1409067821 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program.
< 1409067830 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;' ';' '
< 1409067830 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program.
< 1409067838 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :v still works in unefunge mode right now
< 1409067839 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S
< 1409067902 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprints too, you think?
< 1409067917 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 "AMOR"4(M.@
< 1409067917 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 
< 1409067921 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1409067929 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.
< 1409067950 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4(MMXVI-+++.@
< 1409067950 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 
< 1409067955 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1409067956 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 ~.@.-10
< 1409067967 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409067972 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1409067980 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 @
< 1409067980 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409068007 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 7y.@
< 1409068008 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 
< 1409068011 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :input won't work
< 1409068021 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: unefunge should have dimensionality 1 instead of 2
< 1409068022 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still takes input from stdin
< 1409068029 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know deew
< 1409068036 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "deew".
< 1409068041 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix it someday
< 1409068053 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't have an unefunge mode
< 1409068054 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 ay.by.cy.dy.@
< 1409068055 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 4 0 1 
< 1409068061 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an alias without \n.
< 1409068075 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh
< 1409068149 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaait
< 1409068156 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ~
< 1409068169 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, never teminates
< 1409068171 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1409068179 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409068325 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409068328 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :input functions will now not do anything
< 1409068334 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ~.@
< 1409068334 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 
< 1409068341 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 1~.@
< 1409068342 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 
< 1409068344 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might want to make them reflect instead though
< 1409068354 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a lot less surprising
< 1409068395 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409068402 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!trifunge98 1,
< 1409068411 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409068411 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no trefunge
< 1409068417 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame
< 1409068422 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ~.@
< 1409068422 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409068431 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doomed to flatness.
< 1409068435 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 1~.@..
< 1409068435 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 
< 1409068448 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh what
< 1409068457 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right
< 1409068458 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ reflects
< 1409068465 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: ~ reflects.
< 1409068466 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you made it duplicate for a sec
< 1409068467 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1409068470 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case
< 1409068476 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: ~ reflects ?
< 1409068490 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: ~ reflects
< 1409068522 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4(#@If.@
< 1409068522 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409068530 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, even ESAB:I reflects
< 1409068538 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASE:I
< 1409068539 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1409068589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409068611 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 #.1# t5.@
< 1409068611 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program.
< 1409068614 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1409068629 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1409068642 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 #.1# t5.@z
< 1409068642 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 5 
< 1409068666 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good right?
< 1409068723 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needing the z isn't but otherwise looks right
< 1409068740 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1409068759 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y.@
< 1409068759 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1381320277 
< 1409068768 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright how to decrypt this again?
< 1409068770 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409068853 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y:4'@*%,4'@*/:4'@*%,4'@*/:4'@*%,4'@*/:4'@*%,@
< 1409068853 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :UFUR
< 1409068862 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reverse
< 1409068871 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too lazy to do that programmatically
< 1409068908 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "≤".@
< 1409068908 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :8804 
< 1409068971 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y:4'@*%\4'@*/:4'@*%\4'@*/:4'@*%\4'@/:4'@*% ,,,, @
< 1409068973 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y:'Ā%,'Ā*/:'Ā*%,'Ā*/:'Ā*%,'Ā*/:'Ā*%,@  A bit shorter glyphwise
< 1409068973 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :U
< 1409068987 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1409069009 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '≤.@,,,"DAB".
< 1409069010 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :8804 
< 1409069038 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug
< 1409069056 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 'ꙮ,@,,,"DAB".
< 1409069056 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ
< 1409069069 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiocular O's
< 1409069071 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409069088 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot :D
< 1409069088 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: doot CAN the ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ the for still I at? I running one who going! 
< 1409069741 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409069757 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409069788 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prolog X = 3.
< 1409069892 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409069929 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409070637 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409070650 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409070814 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409070868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jell-E 5*  10New user account
< 1409070925 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 01->1# +# :# 0# g# ,# :# 5# 8# *# 4# +# -# _@
< 1409070925 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 01->1# +# :# 0# g# ,# :# 5# 8# *# 4# +# -# _@
< 1409070971 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Huh?14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40353 5* 03Jell-E 5* (+207) 10Created page with "I have figured out how this language works by decompiling huh.exe. Should I put the source here or does that ruin the mystery? --~~~~"
< 1409071008 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that would ruin the mystery :P
< 1409071097 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409071114 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409071140 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source was inside the executable?
< 1409071178 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible. | 987659473857929758374956789
< 1409071257 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone recognizes that digit string, right?
< 1409071388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409071423 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409071441 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409071455 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409071491 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409071558 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409071576 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409071940 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CaneCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40354&oldid=38815 5* 0362.205.95.44 5* (-3) 10/* External resources */  Fixed broken link
< 1409072034 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1409072194 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.4-dev
< 1409072224 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was me. 
< 1409072448 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409072752 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409072927 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1409074090 0 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-73-33.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409074233 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409074420 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART #esoteric :
< 1409074507 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 v\n5\n.\n@
< 1409074507 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 5 
< 1409074949 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 :0g,:c-!#@_1+
< 1409074950 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :0g,:c-!#@_1+
< 1409074954 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compactified it a bit.
< 1409075383 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1409075428 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CPII"4(D@
< 1409075429 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409075435 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay dormant IP :P
< 1409075466 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 .
< 1409075466 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0  (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409075478 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "SDRT"4#;("yay"2k,@,k3"emal";
< 1409075479 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: emal
< 1409075488 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1409075519 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 " egnufeB">:#,_
< 1409075520 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Bef (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409075754 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409075767 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 :0g,:a`#@_1+
< 1409075767 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :0g,:a`#@_1+
< 1409075777 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One less.)
< 1409075949 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "@Z5O"5c"@@w"fb' **+***+***0p
< 1409075977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Huh?14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40355&oldid=40353 5* 03Jell-E 5* (+3696) 10
< 1409076016 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "rZ5O"5c"@@w"fb' **+***+***0p#@ #.
< 1409076029 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ern
< 1409076031 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1409076034 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to crash
< 1409076045 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Success, of sorts
< 1409076105 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually says '<=' isn't a valid operator on nil.
< 1409076110 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is odd
< 1409076293 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409076309 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409076439 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Deew, was that out of yor number-encoder thing? 
< 1409076445 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1409076452 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409076456 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '☢,
< 1409076457 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢
< 1409076457 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... program.)
< 1409076470 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode breaks stuff it seems
< 1409076480 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by stuff I mean IRC output
< 1409076518 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4("AMOR"4(M1N@
< 1409076518 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ...
< 1409076518 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ...
< 1409076518 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ...
< 1409076518 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000  (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409076523 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1409076564 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably not show that trick to the tppleague channel. They'll probably spam it.
< 1409076653 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 8'}*k08'}*k,@
< 1409076654 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ...
< 1409076654 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 
< 1409076654 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 
< 1409076654 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 
< 1409076664 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409076683 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 0 is not '0
< 1409076707 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I think it should be calculating the visual size of the output, not the number of bytes/codepoints
< 1409076734 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1409076752 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I forgot to make it cut off long non-space-separated strings
< 1409076758 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1409076768 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409076811 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you fix the <= on nil stuff?
< 1409076828 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, since I have no idea what causes it
< 1409076844 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you have a testcase :-P
< 1409076847 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409076850 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4("AMOR"4(M1N@
< 1409076852 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409076861 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4("AMOR"4(M:*1N@
< 1409076862 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409076868 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1409077257 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409077270 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ROMA?
< 1409077293 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman numerals
< 1409077305 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4(05-1N@
< 1409077305 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: -00000 
< 1409077317 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409077324 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bicyclidine
< 1409077360 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "enidilcyciB yeH">:#,_@
< 1409077361 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Hey Bicyclidine
< 1409077365 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRC line length limit is in terms of bytes, so sometimes you have to consider both visual size and that.
< 1409077401 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :enidilcyci-B sounds very medical.
< 1409077406 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, TieSoul.
< 1409077421 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds bio-chemical.
< 1409077445 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm named after phencyclidine in the first place.
< 1409077456 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange parents.
< 1409077472 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi phen
< 1409077598 0 :S1!~Sheldon@p57B9AC33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409077643 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1409077730 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409077743 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409077907 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409077960 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409078024 0 :S1!~Sheldon@p57B9AC33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :":>"
< 1409078093 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409078105 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409078957 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 t
< 1409078976 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this will take a while
< 1409079032 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409079038 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not a good idea
< 1409079044 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409079083 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409079110 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409079223 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409079502 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fixed now.
< 1409079505 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409079510 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 t
< 1409079511 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409079528 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;
< 1409079528 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Infinite loop, thought I'd fall for that?)
< 1409079552 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; Hello ;
< 1409079552 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Infinite loop, thought I'd fall for that?)
< 1409079570 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now its protection is complete
< 1409079694 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has to move more than 50 spaces while in a comment or in spaces it gives the infinite loop message
< 1409079712 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98                                                                                  5.@
< 1409079713 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 5 
< 1409079717 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1409079719 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1409079739 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
< 1409079751 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1409079761 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem to even trigger the regex
< 1409079768 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "
< 1409079769 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409079818 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y,@
< 1409079818 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  
< 1409079827 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay it's a space
< 1409079838 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :unknown characters output a space
< 1409079850 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '€,@
< 1409079850 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: €
< 1409079857 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh
< 1409079901 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '☢,@
< 1409079901 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ☢
< 1409080015 0 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409080015 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2y.@
< 1409080016 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: -1 
< 1409080026 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bignums)
< 1409080179 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably not do this:
< 1409080189 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 01-,@
< 1409080193 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gives an error
< 1409080197 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409080233 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409080245 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@
< 1409080261 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409080273 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that
< 1409080278 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409080279 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it wrong
< 1409080321 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2cd1a'@*+**k:cd1a'@*+**k*.@
< 1409080325 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 249750523253596126986008191082508397745107284763545422942882318465786458116064337081871832833112412600791098611388963732504699915191404414072711783856187321879972240746841777331158760684327811981645006... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409080339 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409080346 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that?
< 1409080355 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409080368 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^99998
< 1409080382 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409080451 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1409080456 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well was it correct?
< 1409080457 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409080461 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409080487 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, looks like. I used 99996 and figured it'd be off by a bit due to how k works
< 1409080513 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@
< 1409080638 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it didn't catch that
< 1409080648 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@
< 1409080678 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or then your ulimits or whatever are working :-P
< 1409080703 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then I should put a limit in k.
< 1409080707 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1409080710 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409080728 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409080881 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@
< 1409080897 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409080902 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the k limit is not working
< 1409080908 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you  know that Noam Chomsky is going to be a judge on X-factor?
< 1409080921 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409080942 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@
< 1409080944 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (TOO MUCH k.)
< 1409081003 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2cd1a'@*+**k:cd1a'@*+**k*.@
< 1409081003 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant:  (TOO MUCH k.)
< 1409081035 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 5k.@
< 1409081035 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 
< 1409081040 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409081057 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 aaa**2*k.@
< 1409081057 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409081064 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 aaa**2*1+k.@
< 1409081065 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081065 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081065 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081065 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081065 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081065 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081066 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081067 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081067 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
< 1409081068 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0  (TOO MUCH k.)
< 1409081071 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohgod
< 1409081076 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not good
< 1409081095 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I get the feeling that the implementation of all these ad-hoc limits is in itself very ad-hoc
< 1409081108 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409081127 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409081143 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah somehow I get the feeling I don't know what ad-hoc means
< 1409081195 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1409081196 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. ad hoc -- (often improvised or impromptu; "an ad hoc committee meeting")
< 1409081197 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1409081220 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes deew how did you know?
< 1409081249 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 \$jy>:#,_1
< 1409081250 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 
  i/
	  
ALLUSERSPROFILE=C:\ProgramDataAPPDATA=C:\Users\thijsel\AppData\RoamingCOMPUTERNAME=THIJS-PCComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exeCommonProgramFile... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409081252 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems like they weren't composing well
< 1409081256 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :have some environment variables
< 1409082110 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek. Chatzilla did not like that last DootBot messag.e
< 1409082111 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I the 1 lotid it saying the them can of? DOOT YayBot in RIOT snogging get your. 
ACTION ~ root at wanted! 
< 1409082206 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen gregor
< 1409082207 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory \ not lately; try `seen gregor ever
< 1409082224 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen gregor ever
< 1409082225 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory \ not that I remember
< 1409082243 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm...
< 1409082347 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logs, they are gone.
< 1409082385 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Due to HackEgo moving to a different server.)
< 1409082386 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-08-08T10:23:26Z   Gregor (dlopen@libdl.so) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
< 1409082412 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs :P
< 1409082414 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Log: http://sprunge.us/cWbV
< 1409082476 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that one only goes two days back
< 1409083119 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1409083258 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409083595 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also !source
< 1409083595 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12
< 1409083615 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :includes modified version of RubyFunge
< 1409083754 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(8')f4'@*+**:R.@
< 1409083761 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 586876997669089452654708979872717640693786208435198134962134741380036139163380500787509566881909771662509654654910559288525538890772618823716520686427222855318484000702574189919040428742398741207850621... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409083813 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1409083814 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409083834 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4('8'!d'%***:R.@
< 1409083837 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some numbers
< 1409083879 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's gonna take some time.
< 1409083882 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409083886 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's just gonna not do anything
< 1409083958 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@
< 1409083959 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 4 
< 1409083960 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@
< 1409083961 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 6 
< 1409083963 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay dice
< 1409083964 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@
< 1409083965 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1 
< 1409083965 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@
< 1409083965 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1 
< 1409083965 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@
< 1409083966 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 2 
< 1409083966 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@
< 1409083967 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1 
< 1409084015 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(aaaa***:R.@
< 1409084015 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409084032 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(aa*:*:*:*:R.@
< 1409084045 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel too large
< 1409084049 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(aa*:*:*:R.@
< 1409084057 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(aa*:*:R.@
< 1409084057 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409084089 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why doesn't mycology have IMTH? :P (not serious)
< 1409084127 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4(aE.@
< 1409084127 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 100000 
< 1409084134 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too new
< 1409084144 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4(aF.@
< 1409084144 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 3628800 
< 1409084145 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came in RC/Funge-98 2
< 1409084154 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4(a6*F.@
< 1409084155 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 8320987112741390144276341183223364380754172606361245952449277696409600000000000000 
< 1409084165 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look factorials
< 1409084192 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4("AMOR"4(MF.@
< 1409084192 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 402387260077093773543702433923003985719374864210714632543799910429938512398629020592044208486969404800479988610197196058631666872994808558901323829669944590997424504087073759918823627727188732519779505... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409084209 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4("AMOR"4(M:*F.@
< 1409084238 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the algorithm it uses is actually O(n^2)
< 1409084242 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this will take a while
< 1409084333 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :either O(n^2) or O(n*log(n)), depending on what the big O is of the Array#inject method.
< 1409084404 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no ulimit or anything?
< 1409084412 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1409084418 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 0.@
< 1409084419 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 0 
< 1409084423 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's still awake
< 1409084426 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't freeze
< 1409084431 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses separate threads
< 1409084445 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how many CPUs are there
< 1409084454 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 2 cores :P
< 1409084486 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 2 cores :P
< 1409084488 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409084494 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow heat death
< 1409084494 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :up arrow by accident
< 1409084514 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the universe?
< 1409084541 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just read that the universe soup would be luke-warm at best
< 1409084551 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409084567 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :luke-warm and beige, iirc
< 1409084568 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409084581 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 28'}**:k:kt1.@.
< 1409084582 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409084589 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tch
< 1409084629 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses separate ticks, not shared, to determine when to kill the process.
< 1409084636 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is the 1d restriction of befunge turing complete?
< 1409084653 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-93, quite likely not; -98, quite likely yes
< 1409084662 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 v\n5\n.\n@
< 1409084662 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 5 
< 1409084664 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much RAM on that box?
< 1409084669 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 gigs
< 1409084674 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409084731 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(2" @@":*:***R.@
< 1409084740 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1409084741 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :too large
< 1409084745 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby threw an error
< 1409084754 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ruby doesn't have big enough bignums?
< 1409084761 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1409084769 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your 2y should push the limit then :-P
< 1409084784 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the limit and can't find it on the internet
< 1409084797 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary search, shouldn't be too hard
< 1409084905 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 {'@::*:**u0.@
< 1409085014 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 1-"HTMI"4('@::*:**N.@.
< 1409085028 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit seems to be 2^31580670.
< 1409085055 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a power of 2?
< 1409085068 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^x is a power of 2 for any x by definition
< 1409085083 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^pi
< 1409085086 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409085087 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks

< 1409085089 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1409085099 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 31580670 a power of 2
< 1409085102 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it nearly is
< 1409085102 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what are you calculating?
< 1409085108 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :31580670: 2 3 5 11 83 1153
< 1409085109 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit of ruby bignums
< 1409085111 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's divisible by 5, so no
< 1409085135 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :31580670 log 2 = 9506728.95317
< 1409085252 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409085268 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409085274 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2y.@
< 1409085274 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 31580670 
< 1409085301 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the number of bytes, not bits
< 1409085313 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1409085315 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1409085331 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409085386 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can translate brainfuck very easily into Unefunge -- e.g. with the tape extending to left and http://sprunge.us/FPZb -- which should be enough.
< 1409085395 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409085399 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2y.@
< 1409085399 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 3947583 
< 1409085402 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy now?
< 1409085426 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, the + and - are missing a \. Anyhow.
< 1409085550 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the , be :~\p ?
< 1409085684 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes.
< 1409085690 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must not have been very awake.
< 1409085699 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks.
< 1409085725 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apropos nothing: GMP has a feature where it can leave some amount of bits at the top of each limb; these bits are called nails.
< 1409085729 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... what language is that?
< 1409085746 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it does that for some performance reasons on some systems
< 1409085761 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is what?
< 1409085786 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that punctuation stuff like :~\p ?
< 1409085791 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and \. and stuff
< 1409085809 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just Befunge. Or Unefunge in this case.
< 1409085827 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1409086115 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] > (2^32 + 2^12) `div` 136 -- compare to 31580670; strange.
< 1409086123 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2^32 + 2^12) `div` 136
< 1409086124 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 31580672
< 1409086178 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :136 = 8*17, and the 17 is a bit odd. (ok, it is odd, but that's not what I mean)
< 1409086251 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 31580670 `mod` 8
< 1409086253 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6
< 1409086333 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409086352 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409086353 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled.
< 1409086360 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "
< 1409086365 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409086365 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled.
< 1409086369 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "
< 1409086369 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409086374 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1409086393 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409086408 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409086413 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409086420 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1409086435 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL I can buy Baklava over the internet! I never need to leave the house again...
< 1409086437 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!doot
< 1409086437 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Commands I want the gone put! doot thats FOR yeah, mega? supised 0"Y+A+Y">:#,_@ liria time than can fault nutshell make! 
< 1409086462 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-ha.
< 1409086472 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!source
< 1409086473 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12
< 1409086492 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: does it know about lambdabot now?
< 1409086518 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1409086529 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1409086605 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409086702 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "toggling" mean in this context? 
< 1409086749 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :toggle whether or not the bot responds to (and executes) funge commands
< 1409086874 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409086951 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409087000 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1409087013 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409087013 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled.
< 1409087018 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409087018 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled.
< 1409087059 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409087116 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409087117 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled on.
< 1409087121 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409087122 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled off.
< 1409087125 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409087125 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled on.
< 1409087128 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "
< 1409087134 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge
< 1409087134 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled off.
< 1409087136 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98
< 1409087140 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "
< 1409087140 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.)
< 1409087142 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
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< 1409087275 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/bignum.c#L6282
< 1409087338 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in bits or bytes?
< 1409087375 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it seems to output a warning that the result *might* be too big, then continues
< 1409087385 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do some unexplained float math?
< 1409087494 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "fine" ... it produces Inf later on. ;-)
< 1409087790 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge is toggled off guys, just so you don't try to DoS me with it
< 1409087792 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gtg
< 1409087793 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1409087799 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still don't get how 33554432 becomes 32537661, about 32/33 * 2^25...
< 1409087837 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: why don't you just set some ulimit? surely ruby can do that in a sane way...
< 1409088139 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409088145 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1409088148 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try something
< 1409088157 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409088160 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98
< 1409088162 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "
< 1409088167 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Execution timed out.
< 1409088174 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work
< 1409088188 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "egnufeB">:#,_@
< 1409088189 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Befunge
< 1409088197 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;
< 1409088201 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Execution timed out.
< 1409088209 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1409088212 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works fine
< 1409088220 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set a timeout time of 4 seconds
< 1409088288 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409088305 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409088307 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 .
< 1409088324 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409088338 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409088340 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 .
< 1409088345 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088364 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 f.
< 1409088368 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15  (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088378 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay works
< 1409088490 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at this
< 1409088494 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;
< 1409088495 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;
< 1409088496 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;
< 1409088497 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;
< 1409088497 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;
< 1409088497 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;
< 1409088499 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088499 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088500 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088501 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088501 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088502 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:  (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088510 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1409088561 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.
< 1409088586 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1409088587 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1409088602 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops
< 1409088610 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.
< 1409088615 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 3 3 3 5 5 6 5 4 6 1 6 5 5 1 1 3 3 5 4 1 6 1 5 4 4 5 5 4 5 3 2 4 5 3 3 6 6 6 2 1 3 2 4 2 2 4 1 3 3 1 1 6 1 4 3 6 3 4 2 3 5 6 4 3 3 1 1 3 6 3 4 1 1 1 2 2 6 5 6 5 6 1 6 6 6 4 1 5 1 4 5 2 3 3 2 1 3 4 4 4 5 (Execution timed out.)
< 1409088624 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay dice rolls
< 1409088677 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409088681 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 1+?6$~40
< 1409088681 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 2 6 5 3 6 4 5 4 3 4 2 1 2 4 3 1 3 1 5 4 3 2 1 6 3 6 2 6 5 5 4 6 5 2 2 5 4 5 4
< 1409088687 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroe dice rolls
< 1409088690 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 1+?6$~40
< 1409088691 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 1 6 4 6 6 1 5 2 3 4 5 1 6 6 4 6 3 2 1 2 4 4 3 2 6 4 3 2 2 5 3 1 3 5 4 1 1 5 1
< 1409088838 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 1+?6$~9e3
< 1409088838 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 3 3 5 3 3 2 2 4 5 6 3 5 2 5 4 2 2 2 4 2 2 2 4 3 6 3 4 5 6 2 4 2 5 4 4 5 1 4 4 4 6 2 5 6 1 3 1 6 4 3 1 4 3 6 1 3 4 6 4 2 2 1 2 4 2 6 1 2 4 2 4 4 1 1 1 3 2 6 4 1 1 4 5 4 4 2 3 4 5 4 2 4 4 2 6 5 5 1 6 1 6 4 6 5 5 4 5 5 5 4 6 2 3 4 4 1 6 2 3 5 1 6 4 5 4 4 2 6 2 3 2 1 4 2 2 1 6 5 4 2 6 1 4 3 6 2 1 5 4 2 6 5 3 1 2 3 3 4 3 5 4 2 4 4 4 4 3 2 3 6 5 5 4 2 5 6 4 3 1 6 2 5 1 1 3 6 4 6 2 2 3 6 ...
< 1409088922 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] '(Execution timed out.)',~":1+?6$~123
< 1409088923 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 4 3 1 4 3 4 6 6 5 6 4 6 3 1 3 3 1 6 6 4 1 6 4 6 4 1 1 2 5 1 3 5 6 5 1 2 2 1 2 5 4 4 4 6 6 3 2 1 1 3 4 6 5 2 3 1 3 3 2 3 3 5 2 1 1 6 3 6 3 4 6 3 3 1 1 1 1 3 5 6 4 1 6 6 3 5 3 1 6 1 6 3 5 5 5 1 2 4 5 3 2 4 2 6 2 2 5 4 4 1 1 2 2 5 2 6 6 1 3 3 1 1 6(Execution timed out.)
< 1409088933 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] ' (Execution timed out.)',~":1+?6$~123
< 1409088933 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 2 5 3 6 3 4 5 4 6 4 1 6 2 4 3 3 1 5 3 4 5 3 4 2 6 6 1 6 5 2 1 1 6 2 4 6 4 4 4 1 2 5 3 1 6 4 3 5 4 2 2 6 1 5 4 2 6 2 3 3 5 3 3 3 3 3 4 6 3 1 5 5 5 2 6 4 2 6 5 4 3 4 3 3 6 2 5 2 3 3 6 6 6 2 4 1 4 2 1 6 3 4 5 5 5 5 3 4 3 2 6 6 4 1 1 1 3 2 5 6 4 1 (Execution timed out.)
< 1409089077 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409089260 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice mimick
< 1409089443 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, lovely. "if (z != 1) v = rb_big_mul(rb_int2big(neg ? -z : z), v);" <-- if z were ever equal to 1, the code would be incorrect (namely, if neg is set as well) ... however, z never equals 1 at this point. So what's the 'if' doing there ...
< 1409089885 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, when calculating 2^n, ruby first starts calculating with 'longs', until they overflow, then switches to bignums. so it ends up calculating (2^16)^(n `div` 16) or (2^32)^(n `div` 32), and then it estimates the number of bits in the result by multiplying the number of bits for 2^16 (2^32) by the exponent: 17*(n `div` 16) and 33*(n `div` 32), respectively. It punts if there are more than 32 * 1024 * 1024 bits by that...
< 1409089892 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...estimate.
< 1409089908 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's there to plant seeds of doubt,  you get there knowing z can't be 1, but leave merely thinking it shouldn't be
< 1409089987 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect the number of bits in 2^n to be a bit easier to estimate
< 1409089994 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1409090022 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409090024 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, it plants seeds of doubts; without the 'if', the code is more obviously correct than with the 'if'.
< 1409090102 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409090181 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 4;>;#+?$#;2;>;#+?$#;1;>;#+?$#;1+:6`!;>;#._$#;
< 1409090186 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 6 1 6 6 5 2 5 1 4 2 3 4 5 4 4 1 2 6 2 6 4 4 5 6 3 2 6 3 1 5 2 4 1 1 4 2 5 4 5 5 3 6 1 6 1 1 4 1 1 6 5 6 1 1 6 2 3 4 1 3 2 4 1 2 3 4 6 4 3 1 3 3 2 3 3 2 4 1 4 6 5 6 2 5 3 2 5 6 4 1 4 2 6 3 5 4 3 5 5 1 5 (Execution timed out.)
< 1409090193 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more dice rolls.
< 1409090252 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the semicolon indicate a linebreak or is that just a straight line of code
< 1409090259 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one line.
< 1409090277 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The semicolon is the cheating-person's "jump to next semicolon" instruction, however.
< 1409090288 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spoiler: uniform distribution for [1,8] based on three binary decisions, then rejection sampling to get [1,6].)
< 1409090517 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A block like  ;>;#X?Y#;  does either X or Y with even odds.)
< 1409090739 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409091292 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1409091400 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((32*1024*1024) `div` 17 .|. 1) * 16 + (16-1)`div`2*2 - 1
< 1409091401 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 31580669
< 1409091422 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((32*1024*1024) `div` 33 .|. 1) * 32 + (32-1)`div`2*2 - 1
< 1409091423 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32537661
< 1409091461 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the maximum exponents for 2**n that work with ruby for 32 and 64 bit platforms, respectively.
< 1409091485 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what awful code.
< 1409091517 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and that's ignoring the integer overflows in the code)
< 1409091597 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bignums?
< 1409091614 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for (2**32)**558992244657865203 it "happily" starts crunching numbers.
< 1409091656 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and running out of memory (that's for 64 bit ruby, but a similar idea works for the 32bit one)
< 1409091685 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid!
< 1409091770 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in the estimation of the number of bits in the result, here: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/bignum.c#L6284-L6289
< 1409091809 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(size_t)-1
< 1409091812 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not legal, is it
< 1409091820 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409091823 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question.
< 1409091856 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1409091874 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :size_t is an unsigned type, and conversion from signed to unsigned is well-defined, and defined in terms of the mathematical value.
< 1409091886 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though SIZE_MAX would be more obvious.
< 1409091895 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was just gonna ask.
< 1409091915 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's not ~(size_t)0.
< 1409091939 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A number of C programmers won't even know what the ~ operator does.)
< 1409091944 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise not?
< 1409091945 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's legal
< 1409091956 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you know ruby's GC depends heavily on C undefined behaviour and miscompiles when compilers use certain common optimisations?
< 1409091965 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this causes actual bugs?
< 1409091980 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversion to unsigned integers is defined as taking the value modulo 1+ the unsigned integer's maximum value.
< 1409092003 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm not surprised
< 1409092009 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, when i think of GC with undefined behavior, i think of that gc code that pulls register values out of a jmp_buf
< 1409092038 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://timetobleed.com/the-broken-promises-of-mrireeyarv/
< 1409092061 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer: horrifying
< 1409092231 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: though some of the undefined behaviour that gcc took advantage of for a while heavily bit the linux kernel folks, who generally know what they're doing. (I guess C is too high-level for kernel code.)
< 1409092255 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly.
< 1409092275 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna be using a PIC C compiler in class this term, i'm excited to learn how standard conformant it is
< 1409092286 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: so I can sympathize with people relying on some undefined behaviour. For example, it's a useful assumption that pointer comparison gives a total order, but C will not give you that guarantee.
< 1409092371 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm sure there are architectures that have separate memory based on data types, so that equally represented pointers point to different things)
< 1409092419 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, C is sort of in a bad position.
< 1409092421 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just separate code and data with the same effect.
< 1409092432 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not actually sure what the language compiled by gcc/clang these days is useful for.
< 1409092439 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's weird
< 1409092442 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when you run into UB, that is)
< 1409092460 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can write high-performance crunching code that doesn't do anything too platform-specific and it's good for that.
< 1409092467 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm really not sure what the target market is, exactly.
< 1409092474 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i'm not much of a hardware hacker but as far as i can tell everybody in python/whatever reasonably thinks that C doesn't work for their application, and everyone doing shit with memory has to fight C at every turn
< 1409092499 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is that separate pointers thing allowed in C? you can go via intptr_t and stuff
< 1409092534 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hmm, not for dynamically allocated stuff, I guess. But for static arrays, I see no reason why not.
< 1409092543 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: C is none of the safety with none of the power :)
< 1409092549 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo
< 1409092571 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: since comparisons between pointers that point to different memory blocks (separately allocated, not sure what the precise term is in the C standard) are undefined.
< 1409092583 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aforementioned class's professor only mentioned C and C++ as programming languages, to the predominantly EE audience
< 1409092593 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: even if you cast to intptr_t first?
< 1409092595 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an integer type
< 1409092611 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x[100]; char y[100]; int main() { return ((intptr_t) x) == ((intptr_t) y); }
< 1409092632 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess it could be allowed, but...
< 1409092647 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what about (char *) (intptr_t) x?
< 1409092651 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be y
< 1409092652 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to check whether there's any guarantee about accessing (char*) ...
< 1409092661 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're allowed to read an (int *) as a (char *).
< 1409092669 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether you're allowed to cast through intptr_t like that.
< 1409092673 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(char *) (void *) x, maybe.
< 1409092697 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((char *) x) might demonstrate the point, but you could just say that gives you a different pointer to y, maybe.)
< 1409092701 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: and of course there's no guarantee that those casts don't change the representation of the pointer.
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ACTION shrugs

< 1409092726 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1409092726 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good to have access to the raw metal.
< 1409092740 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right... maybe ((void *) x) and ((void *) y) could have tag bits, and ints and chars only get a small amount of the address space
< 1409092764 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :char * and void * are guaranteed to have the same representation.
< 1409092830 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: more reasonably, pointer comparison might be implemented by just comparing the lower word of a two-word representation, and it may be conformant. (think DOS "large" model with segment/offset representation)
< 1409092852 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: bleh
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< 1409092864 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bleh/C/
< 1409092866 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for comparing two pointers converted to intptr_t, I'm sure that's *legal* in the sense that you can compare two integers, but you can directly compare two pointers *for equality* anyway.
< 1409092885 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swapping (something) mod N #= 0  for   something #= N*_  made my code 3 times faster :D
< 1409092902 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#=, huh
< 1409092909 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but is there a guarantee that p == q  implies (intptr_t)p == (intptr_t)q?
< 1409092921 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but why would you do that instead of p == q? 
< 1409092961 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie we're deep in lawyering now, you can't ask "why would you" questions
< 1409092966 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to get an actual pointer comparison, maybe, if that's possible?
< 1409092968 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just gauche
< 1409093008 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the original question was just about comparing pointers to different objects, and for == and != that's fine.
< 1409093016 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably (intptr_t)p == (intptr_t)q implies that p and q point to the same thing in memory, provided that they have the same type (but not vice versa)
< 1409093056 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conversion to intptr_t is only defined from a pointer to void.
< 1409093070 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine
< 1409093099 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :T *p; p == (T *)(void *)p  is ensured, you can cast to (void *) and back.
< 1409093123 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then p == (T *)(void *)(intptr_t)(void *)p follows.
< 1409093187 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Two pointers compare equal if and only if both are null pointers, both are pointers to the same object -- or function, both are pointers to one past the last element of the same array object, or one is a pointer to one past the end of one array object and the other is a pointer to the start of a different array object that happens to immediately follow the first array object in the address ...
< 1409093193 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... space."
< 1409093208 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think (intptr_t)(void *)p == (intptr_t)(void *)q is any different from (void *)p == (void *)q.
< 1409093219 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i didn't know there was even an address apce concept exactly
< 1409093222 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except if the optional intptr_t type does not exist.
< 1409093258 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should figure out how much of this rust avoids
< 1409093343 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trimmed-out part was "same object (including a pointer to an object and a subobject at its beginning)".
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< 1409093514 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Interesting. The "only if" is new w.r.t. C99.
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< 1409093837 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett said 8h 14m 26s ago: Well, when you select from a continuous distribution, the probability of getting any particular number is 0, so you could say that the sum of uncountably many 0s can be 1.
< 1409093855 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow.
< 1409093876 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a friend of mine wrote about exactly that in a blogpost today. weird
< 1409093904 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the "void * and char * have the same representation -- [which is] meant to imply interchangeability as arguments to functions, return values from functions, and members of unions" rules mean that for T *p, p == (T *)(char *)(void *)p is also guaranteed, and that the conversion to void * is required to yield an identical representation than a conversion to char * for the same ...
< 1409093910 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... object.
< 1409093922 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :p == (T *)(char *)(T *)(void *)p is obviously true.
< 1409093997 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett Rather, we say that measures are not uncountably additive.
< 1409093998 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1409094041 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1409094067 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay
< 1409094194 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I would go out on a limb and call 6.5.9.6 (Two pointers compare equal etc.) wrong; for comparison, look at all the cases that 6.5.8.5 (When two pointers are compared, etc.) leaves undefined...
< 1409094223 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's for an entirely different set of comparison operators.
< 1409094249 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding the "only if" was just a quick way to fend off the idea of implementing pointer equality as always giving true.
< 1409094249 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't require relational operators and equality operators to have the same rules.
< 1409094464 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ok, let me argue differently: How is a compiler supposed to implement that definition? As stated, the comparison operator has to figure out whether a pointer points to some object or not; p == p is only true if p actually points to something (or is a null pointer).
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< 1409094671 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⋔
< 1409094672 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+22D4 PITCHFORK]
< 1409094683 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⫚
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< 1409094755 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "qirta olleH">:#,_@
< 1409094756 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: Hello atriq
< 1409094779 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois Ngevd
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< 1409094785 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd
< 1409094785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​&}F­ðqu¾ÃÔÔr—‹ŽÙJo,U„¼ø©áwS9i׀ù\ŽB |©Ai6"Ãò	ø¼øîÕÞéÛ~wñ|:Öÿpoµqì=@gŽ5†sr©©ÃwCõTÞk$ȼLÑgÚ\¾&Œ§†]ykL1l흖¥ú{OF±^ì[B)Ô÷àøíl[#ÒØ8lÜ¡}"ß7Ÿ™²ÁÖàŸ'wO~]tÖEvìÎÖeA×碷e:Cšv¥!¼¹‰¹ËêôyFÙ×Ðm!KUÔ¯§òßO˜Ë‘L²Újg£ˆî4èˆ ÖÏ×»KgxÙû¡ÖˆæÀ€õ‹U™WòœBŠ)¶óéñ0ò•†¡¡ûl~zœÈìá£~n!RÒÞ)n+àFÊlGÒG0ZÊ/ð`Ž).x0öl!h§-ñ’ˆÏJŒíâµÎð°£%9@Ô~ñ¨¬É›¹s¸I¥?aJ•
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< 1409094789 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: Log: http://sprunge.us/YVIT
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< 1409095496 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay complex numbers
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< 1409095753 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well. There seems to be no way of a strictly conforming program to construct a pointer value that wouldn't be null or point to an object without risking undefined behavior, so you could vaguely argue that p == p need not make that determination. (If it was a pointer to an object that has reached the end of its lifetime, its value has now become indeterminate, and p == p is undefined; if ...
< 1409095759 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it was constructed by manipulating the bits of the representation, there's no way to be sure it is not a trap representation.)
< 1409095762 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But I do agree the "only if" is a bit dubious. Still, I think they at least wanted to imply that "p == q" should never be true if p and q point to different objects.
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< 1409096011 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my bouncer, which for one reason or another I am not using, is playing up
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< 1409096035 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89 draft has: "If two pointers to object or incomplete types compare equal, they point to the same object. If two pointers to functions compare equal, they point to the same function. If two pointers point to the same object or function, they compare equal."
< 1409096039 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a relatively silly footnote "40. If invalid prior pointer operations, such as accesses outside array bounds, produced undefined behavior, the effect of subsequent comparisons is undefined."
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< 1409096455 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: outrageous.
< 1409096455 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I agree that they probably intended that. I've found another obstacle to the typed memory idea (without tagging the pointers somehow): memcpy works on memory representations of objects (6.2.6.1.4). so I guess that leaves the (not too unusual) code/data separation.
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< 1409096504 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pity ;-)
< 1409096507 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<TieSoul> though that one only goes two days back <-- i think he meant searchable logs.  the tunes logs are still doing fine otherwise.
< 1409096541 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably the codu logs will be fine if gregor ever returns
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< 1409096564 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not searchable.
< 1409096594 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, I think you need to tag char *s and void *s; but I think you can get some leverage out of the different memory spaces, so that an int *p and double *q can have identical memory representations while pointing at different objects. (You might need to stick unions into some lowest-common-denominator memory space, and make the tagged-char-pointer comparison operation slightly hairy.)
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< 1409096654 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because for  union { int i; double d; } u  you must have (char *)&u.i == (char *)&u.d.
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< 1409096726 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All the oodles of code freely dlsym'ing out functions through void * straws might object to the code/data separation too.)
< 1409096762 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX did guarantee conversion of function pointers to void * and back, IIRC.
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< 1409096799 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is weird
< 1409096805 0 :polytone_!?@? NICK :monotone
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< 1409096966 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Embedded C" standard adds the concept of named address spaces, though it's orthogonal to the type specifiers; they're just additional type qualifiers.
< 1409096996 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <impomatic_> TIL I can buy Baklava over the internet! I never need to leave the house again...
< 1409096997 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1216) <impomatic_> TIL I can buy Baklava over the internet! I never need to leave the house again...
< 1409097025 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those address spaces can nest, and a pointer to a type qualified with one can point to objects in that or in all the subset address spaces.
< 1409097825 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, aaaah I don't have access to a computer from which I can comfortably program
< 1409097857 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: me too (programming is uncomfortable)
< 1409097860 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1409097861 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq:
< 1409097869 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: sorry
< 1409097919 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we can not program comfortably together, or something
< 1409097961 0 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :np, elliott:-)
< 1409097973 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I'm not ready for that kind of commitment
< 1409098028 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: :( but I understand
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< 1409099960 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. I'm now stuck with the makalösa manicken in my head, and discovered the Real Group by the same occasion the other day.
< 1409100029 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell impomatic congrats! your first real quote in the Infamous PDF!
< 1409100029 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1409100085 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have any advice on starting a nomic?
< 1409100115 0 :TwoSwords!~Daanando@188.188.94.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, have extroardinary friends.
< 1409100143 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwoSwords: great, that's step 1 complete
< 1409100146 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's step 2
< 1409100158 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: shuffle a few decks of apples to apples and fluxx and CAH and bridge together, with a few tarot major arcana mixed in for good form.
< 1409100183 0 :TwoSwords!~Daanando@188.188.94.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on.
< 1409100262 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TwoSwords: great, I can do that
< 1409100288 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "impomatic never did anything weird enough to get into this database." <-- change "never" to "once" ;-)
< 1409100381 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? impomtic
< 1409100381 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomtic? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1409100384 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? impomatic
< 1409100385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic never did anything weird enough to get into this database.
< 1409100427 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq
< 1409100428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two
< 1409100437 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ain't gonna happen. otoh, I can add an additional footnote hth
< 1409100440 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, a pun
< 1409100448 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if you think of something better feel free
< 1409100461 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb # is my main nick
< 1409100461 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb # is my main nick? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1409100467 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ? Taneb # is my main nick
< 1409100468 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: a: command not found
< 1409100471 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run \? Taneb # is my main nick
< 1409100471 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards, and five genders. (See also: tanebventions)
< 1409100522 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there, a footnote.
< 1409100543 0 :TwoSwords!~Daanando@188.188.94.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. I remember seeing someones archived game (looked well kept) maybe a week ago. But I cannot remember the link.
< 1409100566 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache Wave would be a great tool for Nomic
< 1409100576 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache Wave would be great if anyone used it :(
< 1409100608 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: excellent
< 1409100611 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss google wave :(
< 1409100623 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves at atriq

< 1409100635 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks, but it's not the same
< 1409100638 0 :int-e!?@? NICK :go0gle
< 1409100642 0 :go0gle!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves at atriq

< 1409100644 0 :go0gle!?@? NICK :int-e
< 1409100655 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1409100675 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that reveals that some smartfungot out there uses the google /nick éhontément.
< 1409100676 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: look at everything2.com at the toplevel? you're just looking for a paper. it's too simple, yet.
< 1409100781 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409100848 0 :TwoSwords!~Daanando@188.188.94.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1409100875 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dootbot, what are your thoughts on fungot?
< 1409100876 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: am i missing something? is it happening through some automatic update of the site is pretty fucked up: http://www.misterkitty.org/ extras/ stupidcovers/ fnord
< 1409100876 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: !befunge it's scary those? know! 438 "olleH">:#,_@ not gonna Iwam the tired, size things /me for. 
< 1409100881 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1409100900 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409100955 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: die
< 1409100955 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: making its author like looking like a random windows glitch
< 1409100973 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait found it.
< 1409100980 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/
< 1409100981 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles int-e. “don't diss the Fungot!”

< 1409101034 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it did use the f-word, I was merely defeding myself.
< 1409101045 0 :Daan!?@? NICK :TwoSwords
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< 1409101169 0 :TwoSwords!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 QUIT :
< 1409101177 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: *MWAHAHAHAHAHA* (det är en evighetskmaskin!)
< 1409101371 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: technically the wisdom and the quotes are not the same database hth
< 1409101570 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn he left before i could tell em agora is still alive
< 1409101575 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e
< 1409101606 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora is still alive!?
< 1409101616 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly
< 1409101633 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what is that loud beeping noise
< 1409101640 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's having trouble filling its offices lately
< 1409101673 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that may be the universe warning you not to let me suck you into agora. (i'm just watching btw.)
< 1409101725 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT BEEPS LOUDLY
< 1409101726 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what kind of beeping? you'll have to be more precise hth
< 1409101734 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be a fire alarm
< 1409101745 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At family house, they've made changes
< 1409101747 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's a Maybe Fire Alarm.
< 1409101750 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like having a fire alarm
< 1409101757 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know.
< 1409101967 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1409102515 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409102536 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> darn he left before i could tell em agora is still alive
< 1409102572 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomic wise?
< 1409102591 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1409102627 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A game or the community. Either would be impressive.
< 1409102663 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well people come and go
< 1409102671 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that site is just a site to track the contracts that was used by a recordkeeper once
< 1409102676 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an archive of the game proper or anything
< 1409102701 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1409102705 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ was a player until recently
< 1409102722 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on the lists but just watching
< 1409102783 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.agoranomic.org is more official
< 1409102849 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.82.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20years 
< 1409103211 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin
< 1409103787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409103941 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to plastify my teeth. 'night all!
< 1409103960 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PLASMODIC CHICKEN
< 1409104241 0 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, wot
< 1409104312 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't question boily's sanity-preserving measures tdnh
< 1409104421 0 :Tod-Autojoined!?@? NICK :TodPunk
< 1409104832 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.65.195 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409104840 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: perhaps boily prefers grinding plastic over grinding teeth
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< 1409107930 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1409111022 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aren't finnish wild strawberries delicious
< 1409111029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much better than other strawberries
< 1409111110 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to sing a song about mono-traversable to the same tune as Mother Necessity
< 1409111147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mono-traversable is scow
< 1409111173 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flat-bottomed boat with a blunt bow?
< 1409111179 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1409112255 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1409114939 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409115030 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1409118688 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1409118895 0 :newsham_!?@? NICK :newsham
< 1409119623 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1409120038 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1409120945 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.92.25 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1409123891 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data (f :|: g) x = L (f x) | R (g x)
< 1409123904 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks so much like a function definition
< 1409123908 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that |
< 1409124234 0 :mazelrella!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-dphuzozqzbbzfcsm PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1409124435 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's actually possible?
< 1409124439 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1409124458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1409124510 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you use that?
< 1409124531 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe :|: []) Int
< 1409124550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call it :+:
< 1409124601 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell functors are even a monoidal category with (:+:) and Void1
< 1409124611 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also with :*: and Proxy.)
< 1409124641 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was probably not helpful to say.
< 1409124707 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: operators which start with : are reserved for types
< 1409124772 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1409124806 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does :*: does there? f . g x?
< 1409124823 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as an american I find the native Finnish berries sometimes more sour than I really expect. 
< 1409124843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*: is product, (f x, g x)
< 1409124855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::.: is composition, f (g x)
< 1409124856 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1409124864 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and +?
< 1409124871 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one makes a monoidal category too. But everyone knows that one.
< 1409124880 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::+: is sum, Either (f x) (g x)
< 1409124917 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the difference between + and | in that context
< 1409124950 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No difference. That's why I said I would call it :+:
< 1409124968 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1409124994 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1409125468 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409128702 0 :Tahetark!c1280ab2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.40.10.178 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409128736 0 :Tahetark!c1280ab2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.40.10.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1409128883 0 :Tahetark!c1280ab2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.40.10.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any cellular automatas made to efficiently simulate a turing machine?
< 1409128928 0 :Tahetark!c1280ab2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.40.10.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By efficiently I mean, fast and with reasonably small space, Conway's turing machine looks kind of slow
< 1409128938 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about efficiently, but Wolfram has done a lot of work in that araa.
< 1409128960 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, conway is awful for that.
< 1409129006 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think rule... 130 (1d ca is turing capable)
< 1409129042 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :110 sorry
< 1409129148 0 :Tahetark!c1280ab2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.40.10.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1409129180 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UniversalCellularAutomaton.html best place to look.
< 1409129205 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, one of these days I need to buckle down and write some automata
< 1409129227 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or evolve them
< 1409129240 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :evolve finite tree automata?
< 1409129243 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems hard
< 1409129254 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I need to do. It's just going to be pain
< 1409129271 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easiest thing in the world, as long if you have all the time in the world
< 1409129282 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually should probably write some computer code for this
< 1409129283 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your goal?
< 1409129303 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to understand equation systems defining minor-closed classes of graphs
< 1409129316 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do this I need to produce some, and to do that I need to generate some automata
< 1409129333 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for any but the most trivial of classes)
< 1409129351 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.82.109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds complicated.
< 1409129378 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1409131062 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
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< 1409131224 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1409132258 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1409134079 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409134125 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the name for a binary tree where all leaf nodes are the same distance from the root?
< 1409134288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect?
< 1409134509 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, that seems to fit the description.
< 1409134784 0 :Tahetark!c1280ab2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.40.10.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sad that we don't use fruit metaphors for trees
< 1409135109 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full/perfect/complete triplet gets slightly mixed up by different authors, I believe.
< 1409135564 0 :Tahetark!c1280ab2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.40.10.178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ $37.95 to read one article
< 1409135565 0 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   |
< 1409135565 0 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  /´\
< 1409135681 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to describe a Core War binary imp launch in terms of a perfect binary tree!

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< 1409144412 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Maybe . List
< 1409144412 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Maybe 09. 12List : 12Type -> 12Type
< 1409144421 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< shachaf> :.: is composition, f (g x) – ↑
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< 1409158806 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainfuck ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1409158806 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1409158810 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainfuck ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1409158810 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1409158816 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainf*** ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1409158816 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1409158821 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainfart ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1409158822 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1409158827 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainflip ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1409158827 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
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< 1409160172 0 :yorick_!?@? NICK :yorick
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< 1409164089 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> 5 ** 99
< 1409164089 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1577721810442023610823457130565572459346412870218046009540557861328125
< 1409164126 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> "Hello" + 523.chr('UTF-8')
< 1409164126 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloȋ
< 1409164739 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping 1.0 would be a method call, but looks like it’s not.
< 1409164769 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> dootbot.part('#esoteric')
< 1409164769 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART #esoteric :
< 1409164771 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
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< 1409167362 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys
< 1409167370 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to break dootbot by using rb> commands
< 1409167370 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: doot yaybot, want bider. head. Yaybot that? YayBot she's metronome? Lol :P fight about a as anyway... 
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< 1409167386 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> # executes ruby code
< 1409167543 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> I don't like ruby
< 1409167563 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to do anything
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< 1409167952 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rp> # print "I wish you were lisp"
< 1409167957 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> # print "I wish you were lisp"
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< 1409167979 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> 9 ** 99
< 1409167979 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :29512665430652752148753480226197736314359272517043832886063884637676943433478020332709411004889
< 1409167996 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> (1..10).to_a.inject(:*)
< 1409167996 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :3628800
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< 1409169949 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know any good libraries for working with automata (e.g. DFAs, NFAs)
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< 1409170418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know sam hughes used something for his regex and-er thing, but he may have written it himself
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< 1409170548 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm looking to do some transformations on automata, tree automata specifically
< 1409170636 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming I have to write the code myself, I am trying to decide between going Agda, which would be awesome and I'll regret, Haskell which will lead to runtime errors, or C++ which would be awesome and I'll regret for entirely different reasons
< 1409171069 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that one Java thing, JFLAP.
< 1409171079 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's for good for any serious use.
< 1409171120 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also possibly not so relevant for tree automata.
< 1409171123 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AndoDaan 5*  10New user account
< 1409171175 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.73.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's me... wtf
< 1409171198 0 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409171247 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to add a note on Esolang:Community_portal that the wiki RC feed is also on #esoteric these days.
< 1409171251 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I didn't.
< 1409171409 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal More of those always-as-interesting hotel room views: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140827-scandic_tampere_station.jpg
< 1409171410 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1409171549 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that window say beer and billiards?
< 1409171683 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: omg, I live there.
< 1409171822 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It does.
< 1409172273 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.64.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409172312 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409172340 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.73.198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409172485 0 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409172508 0 :Bike_!?@? NICK :Bicyclidine
< 1409172921 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1409174224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409174743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409175702 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hi
< 1409175811 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1409175838 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, kind of grey isn't it?
< 1409175860 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but I can't spot the seams, so that is good
< 1409176112 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409176622 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see one, two, three seams, but not easy to find.
< 1409176977 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.189.64.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1409176991 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/seam.jpg
< 1409176999 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.78.194 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409177023 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yeah, I didn't spend too long with it.
< 1409177108 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works well enough anyway :)
< 1409177135 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409177242 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also from the same trip:  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140827-bridge1.jpg  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140827-bridge2.jpg
< 1409177634 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409177665 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I imagined this to be *much* more perceptible. http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/waterseam.jpg
< 1409177704 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using curved lines is a nice touch)
< 1409177732 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all entirely automatical, blended with enblend.
< 1409177843 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140827-scandic_pori.jpg it has opted to cut a car in half.
< 1409177868 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another hotel.)
< 1409177917 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity about the messed up sign in https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140827-bridge2.jpg
< 1409177961 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I didn't even notice that, since the outlines were okay.
< 1409177967 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also something is off with the lighting in the rightmost picture)
< 1409177981 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there was a bit of an accident there.
< 1409178012 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had set the camera to manual exposure but forgot ISO to auto.
< 1409178073 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes it do its usual exposure calculations but use the ISO setting as the only free parameter to achieve what it thinks is good.
< 1409178140 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, "good" had quite blown-out highlights in the sand, and Hugin's photometric optimilization thing has just brought the overall level down to match the neighbor.
< 1409178277 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case it works amazingly well
< 1409178299 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a full 360 degrees, so I probably should've put the wraparound point at that seam, actually. Then it would be less noticeable.
< 1409178346 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409178352 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even find some of the seams when I'm looking for them.
< 1409178472 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :These were all handheld. With a tripod and a panorama head configured to rotate around the correct no-parallax point, it's really hard to find any seams, unless there's been some motion.
< 1409178585 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really surprised about how well the close water surface worked)
< 1409178652 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean without the arrows, http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/waterseam.jpg would probably not look odd at all, unless you stare at it for a while.
< 1409178678 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a small detail of the big picture :)
< 1409178733 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/9246704558/in/set-72157634561814470  is an indoor scene (so lots of potential parallax motion) made out of 48 shots (3 rows of 16 directions) with a tripod and a hand-made panorama head (and a different camera).
< 1409178805 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The automatic control point finding did have some trouble when given two photos of a more or less blank white wall, though.
< 1409178852 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.76.204 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409178858 0 :jameseb-!?@? NICK :jameseb
< 1409178938 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.78.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409179093 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409179159 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409179266 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<coppro> myname: operators which start with : are reserved for types <-- actually that is no longer true, the : requirement was removed.  (the slight downside is you no longer can use operator type _variables_.)
< 1409179299 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data a + b = a :+ b
< 1409179301 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1409179310 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Int :+ Bool
< 1409179311 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1409179311 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: data constructor ‘Int’
< 1409179311 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1409179311 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘In’ (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted),
< 1409179318 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409179334 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t () :+ True
< 1409179335 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Ambiguous occurrence ‘:+’
< 1409179335 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    It could refer to either ‘L.:+’,
< 1409179335 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             defined at /home/lambda/.lambdabot/State/L.hs:161:16
< 1409179338 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1409179350 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It could refer to either X."
< 1409179355 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures it was already used for something.
< 1409179359 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef
< 1409179360 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined.
< 1409179364 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (:+)
< 1409179366 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a -> Complex a
< 1409179378 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i should have remembered that one
< 1409179397 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data a + b = A a | B b
< 1409179399 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1409179404 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t A 0
< 1409179405 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a + b
< 1409179429 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the : requirement still holds for _data_ constructor operators.
< 1409179459 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell coppro <coppro> myname: operators which start with : are reserved for types <-- actually that is no longer true, the : requirement was removed.  (the slight downside is you no longer can use operator type _variables_.)
< 1409179460 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1409179521 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the kind promotion and stuff the syntax is getting messy.
< 1409179572 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k '[Int]
< 1409179573 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Illegal type: ‘'[Int]’ Perhaps you intended to use DataKinds
< 1409179592 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: WHY YOU MISSING EXTENSIONS
< 1409179610 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn everything safe on, i say
< 1409179625 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i sincerely _hope_ DataKinds are Safe)
< 1409179635 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I thought that was still only a proposal
< 1409179651 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also I'm right here you know
< 1409179653 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC is moving so fast
< 1409179662 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409179714 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you said nothing, and i don't trust people who have been idle for > 30 minutes and who say nothing not to ping out before they see my message.  except quintopia by special request.
< 1409179774 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :let data a + b = A a | B b
< 1409179776 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘:’
< 1409179785 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :let data a + b = A a | B b
< 1409179786 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined
< 1409179788 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I so request
< 1409179807 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure my memory has room for more than one person on the request list.  we'll see.
< 1409179821 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t A 0
< 1409179821 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer:
< 1409179821 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        No such variable A
< 1409179825 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It will be interesting to see if it's a stack or a queue.
< 1409179832 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t A
< 1409179832 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable A
< 1409179843 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :unlet
< 1409179843 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :command not recognized or not supported
< 1409179866 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.<
< 1409179891 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409179895 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t (+)
< 1409179895 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Classes.(+) : 12Num 13a => 13a -> 13a -> 13a
< 1409179895 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Fin.(+) : 12Fin 13n -> 12Fin 13m -> 12Fin (13n 09+ 13m)
< 1409179909 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t a
< 1409179909 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :12a : 12Type
< 1409179912 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw linked a mention on twitter i think that they're putting Foldable and Traversable into the Prelude.  which is natural once Applicative goes in there, i guess.
< 1409179933 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i've only seen that one mention yet, so am not entirely trusting it.
< 1409179944 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently datadecl parsing is broken, in a way …
< 1409179988 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are too many of them
< 1409180027 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be funny if ghc ran out of some limit if you tried to enable all extensions
< 1409180120 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i know.  except i need to be sure it doesn't ping people...
< 1409180131 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls *list
< 1409180131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bdsmreclist
< 1409180136 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*list
< 1409180137 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/danddreclist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/erflist \ bin/list \ bin/llist \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist
< 1409180145 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist
< 1409180146 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp bin/emptylist bin/"$1"
< 1409180165 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409180168 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelist dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409180169 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409180211 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo +
< 1409180211 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+
< 1409180270 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1409180334 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo 'quin ​topia'; echo 'cop ​pro') | sed 's/ //g' >bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409180335 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409180349 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oops
< 1409180350 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oops: not found
< 1409180354 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409180355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409180362 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo 'quin ​topia'; echo 'cop ​pro') | sed 's/ //g' >>bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409180363 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409180370 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409180371 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: quin​topia cop​pro
< 1409180433 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that successfully not pinging you
< 1409180456 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose i could make that automatic
< 1409180468 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409180469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409180490 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... bdsmreclist?
< 1409180578 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409180623 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i don't remember
< 1409180786 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' ​' | sed 's/ /./'
< 1409180787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.​
< 1409180842 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409180849 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1409180860 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/xargs/sed 's/1/
< 1409180861 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 16: unknown option to `s'
< 1409180884 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' ​' | sed 's/ /1/'
< 1409180884 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1​
< 1409180968 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\1​/' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409180969 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 33: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
< 1409180974 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409180988 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/\\(.\\)/\\1​/' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409180988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 37: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
< 1409181003 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sheesh
< 1409181047 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' ​' | sed 's/ /&/'
< 1409181047 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ​
< 1409181055 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um...
< 1409181115 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' ' | sed 's/ /\&/'
< 1409181115 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​&
< 1409181162 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: i don't think you see what that did hth
< 1409181179 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' ​' | sed 's/ /\&/'
< 1409181179 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​&​
< 1409181195 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :& on the RHS means the whole match.
< 1409181240 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\\&​' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181243 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181245 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, misread, no I probably didn’t then.
< 1409181251 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181251 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./\xargs​' | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409181262 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409181274 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409181275 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409181336 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181336 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409181368 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\\\\\&​' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181369 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181374 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181375 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./\&​' | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409181396 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181397 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: sed: -e expression #1, char 9: unterminated `s' command
< 1409181402 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff
< 1409181411 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409181413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409181431 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\\\\\&​/' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181432 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181437 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181437 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: &​uin​topia &​op​pro
< 1409181448 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409181449 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409181589 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\\\\\\&​/g' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181590 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181593 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​ xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​xargs​
< 1409181605 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409181607 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409181610 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :escaping is hard.
< 1409181692 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs.
< 1409181698 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\\\\\\&​/g' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181699 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181709 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181709 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./\\xargs​/g' | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409181716 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409181717 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409181745 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\\\\\&​/g' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181747 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181749 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181750 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./\&​/g' | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409181772 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wtf was that the right number
< 1409181776 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it
< 1409181792 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1409181792 0 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-115-27.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409181795 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409181796 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409181828 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\\&​/g' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181834 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181834 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./\xargs​/g' | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409181838 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409181840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409181847 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\\\&​/g' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181848 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181851 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181851 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./\xargs​/g' | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409181855 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1409181858 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1409181859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409181879 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "s,xargs,sed 's/./\\&​/g' | xargs," bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181880 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409181884 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181884 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | sed 's/./&​/g' | xargs; exit \ quin​topia \ cop​pro
< 1409181896 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409181897 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​​​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​​​p​r​o​
< 1409182095 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2,3s&&​&' bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409182097 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 0: no previous regular expression
< 1409182124 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2,3sdontaskdonttelllist' bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409182125 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 23: unterminated `s' command
< 1409182130 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :àrgh
< 1409182155 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409182158 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '2,3s&​&&' bin/dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409182160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409182166 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dontaskdonttelllist
< 1409182167 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ c​o​p​p​r​o​
< 1409182178 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally
< 1409182429 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right the shell doesn't treat & specially in strings
< 1409182437 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409182450 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why my escaping guesses were off by one
< 1409182494 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: did any of this HackEgo mess ping you?
< 1409182533 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if not, good)
< 1409182547 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1409183024 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1409183041 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409183174 0 :jj2baile!~jon@high-fructose-corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409183409 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1409183470 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell TieSoul i hope your rb> command isn't unsecured
< 1409183471 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1409183741 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409183957 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.75.55 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409184018 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1409184035 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409184061 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.76.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1409184169 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@198.109.114.66 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1409184393 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.87.37 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409184538 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.75.55 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1409184600 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409184742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409185206 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409185474 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1409185762 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409186160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409186369 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are the popular Haskell streaming libraries all pull based?
< 1409186430 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lizard conspiracy.
< 1409186909 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspired by lazy evaluation
< 1409188115 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: istr pipes has both pull- and push-based combinators...
< 1409188162 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409188296 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/pipes-4.1.2/docs/Pipes-Core.html#g:5
< 1409188396 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but pull is te one exposed by default, and preferred for end users... if I start using push, might that not mix well with the majority of pipes in the ecosystem which are likely pull?
< 1409188436 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure, maybe
< 1409188480 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull is what you want for interactive use, anyway.
< 1409189230 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothetically, I have a source of data that I am receiving from an event handler. I could put it in some sort of STM channel or queue, but that risks either hitting a bound or using  unbounded memory
< 1409189248 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean interactive use?
< 1409189411 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.87.37 QUIT :
< 1409189554 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double letters are still a bit tricky for me :'(
< 1409189565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. kyllä vs. kylää
< 1409189587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe esp. double vowels at the end of a word
< 1409189997 0 :Tod-Autojoined!?@? NICK :TodPunk
< 1409191017 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anything where the input is user commands and the user wants to see the output before giving the next one
< 1409191084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409191569 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1409191924 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I am going to write the automaton library to end all automaton libraries
< 1409191933 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because it goes insane and murders them in its sleep or something
< 1409192749 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is something like stm-conduit an adequate solution?
< 1409193368 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like in the pipes world it's what pipes-concurrent is for
< 1409193380 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems like basically the same thing but simpler... except for that performGC thing
< 1409194043 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should maybe point out he's never got to use pipes for anything and haven't even installed (afahk) conduit.

< 1409194104 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably wipe my Haskell install, install new Platform, and get EclipseFP working
< 1409194851 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, xkcd "time" won a hugo
< 1409195037 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seriously?
< 1409195046 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yep
< 1409195055 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive
< 1409195065 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a work that is basically impossible to read in its original format :P
< 1409195081 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best graphic story, well that makes sense
< 1409195089 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i'm reading it in today's girl genius (the foglios were otherwise among the obvious favorites)
< 1409195113 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best novella was stross
< 1409195127 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best film is gravity, eh
< 1409195150 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i thought that fact was pretty cool too.
< 1409195159 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BEST SEMIPROZINE"
< 1409195170 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a good sci-fi tale after all
< 1409195175 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ell
< 1409195181 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :speculativ3e i guess is the better word
< 1409195331 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :best prepromorphzine
< 1409195397 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bicyclidine
< 1409196684 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading the chat archive on the hugo site and apparently cory doctorow accepted the award for munroe

< 1409196734 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :""
< 1409196734 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :9:28 
< 1409196735 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mur Lafferty: Cory dons the cape and goggles  
< 1409196769 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would you put newlines between fields displayed on the same line...
< 1409196962 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/Jourdan_Cameron/status/501104457577668609
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< 1409201992 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am looking at this SO question http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25540407/median-of-a-list-of-haskell-records#25540407
< 1409202030 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am suddenly imagining this as use case for "applicals": forall f. Traversable f => (f a -> b) -> (f s -> t)
< 1409202041 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone thought of those yet
< 1409202170 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409202226 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this uniplate thing anyway?
< 1409202304 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a generic programming package for haskell
< 1409202368 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lens interface for it
< 1409202376 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly reimplementation
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< 1409202478 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Functor would also suffice for that use case
< 1409202507 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a colens then?
< 1409202576 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except those are supposed to be prisms
< 1409202656 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm those co-/representable things...
< 1409202790 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they need mono-applicative...
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< 1409205103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens has an implementation of a big part of uniplate in lensy terms
< 1409205109 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which allow it to be more efficient)
< 1409205135 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :taka, takka, taakka, takaa; all entirely different words.
< 1409205159 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "forall g. ... g => (g a -> b) -> g s -> t" doesn't turn out to be very useful.
< 1409205173 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it can do is return different ts.
< 1409205213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can write "forall f g. (... f, ... g) => (g a -> f b) -> g s -> f t", and that's more useful.
< 1409205250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Copointed g, Strong f) gives you a lens, and (Costrong g, Pointed f) gives you a prism (i.e. a colens)
< 1409205256 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Strong is just Functor in Haskell)
< 1409205291 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, once you do that, you might as well go all the way to "forall p. p a b -> p s t", which is much nicer.
< 1409205302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a constraint on p, of course.)
< 1409205345 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always pick p x y = g x -> f y, but there are usually better choices.
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< 1409206154 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it is somewhat important that it be able to be used in that SO problem.
< 1409206168 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i didn't see that
< 1409206208 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i just realized you can only really make that work if the data type is isomorphic to e -> Double, which is iirc what representable means
< 1409206237 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always forget which one is commonly referred to as representable and which one as corepresentable
< 1409206248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that edwardk switched them at one point
< 1409206255 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do like me and never learn it hth
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< 1409207867 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust srsly ((-)*6>[-----[.+]]--)*100000
< 1409207901 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... does this still work? :P
< 1409208102 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, was (trying to) test an evolver for terminal stupidity
< 1409208496 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot has been out to lunch for quite a while now.
< 1409208506 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Gregor also, so it's hard to get an ETA for repairs.
< 1409208593 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Quite a while" == "since 2014-08-19" for Egobot, "since 2014-08-08" for Gregor.)
< 1409208690 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1409208788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who runs Gregor
< 1409208930 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bots all the way up.
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< 1409210932 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does conduit have =$= vs $$ while pipes just has >-> ?
< 1409210948 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with runEffect that Pipes requires?
< 1409211037 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: $$ is essentially a special case of =$=. $$ fuses a source and a sink together
< 1409211042 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just for aesthetics
< 1409211048 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1409211056 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prefers the aesthetics of one operator

< 1409211349 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would probably be considered ugly/unreadable by anyone reading my code
< 1409211350 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1409211472 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gather output values asynchronously from an action in the base monad and then yield them downstream. This provides a means of working around the restriction that ConduitM cannot be an instance of MonadBaseControl in order to, for example, yield values from within a Haskell callback function called from a C library."
< 1409211481 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That  is pretty much literally my intended use case
< 1409211511 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lymia
< 1409211517 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi~
< 1409211833 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no see
< 1409211980 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nod

< 1409212201 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: basically the idiom is to use $= to denote the source and =$ to denote the sink
< 1409212219 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :source $= filter =$= map =$= something =$ sink
< 1409212231 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :while this won't be enforced by the compiler any more, it is pretty
< 1409212252 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was under the impression the idiom was to throw a $$ somewhere in there
< 1409212379 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$ is used only if your source and sink are adjacent
< 1409212408 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although you can throw one in because depending on how you associate, any prefix is a source and any suffix is a sink)
< 1409212418 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I'm totally wrong and I should shut up
< 1409212425 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more likely I'm right and the universe is wrong
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< 1409212980 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell Snoyman that he's using Conduit wrong https://gist.github.com/snoyberg/a422d558e9142e37d2aa
< 1409212986 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer your convention
< 1409213361 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: done
< 1409213370 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/scshunt/status/504888438441906177
< 1409213393 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> I may not have meant that literally
< 1409213436 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I still prefer your convention and/or the convention of just using one operator
< 1409213811 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: these don't look synonymous: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/conduit-1.2.0.2/docs/src/Data-Conduit-Internal-Conduit.html#%24%24
< 1409213852 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I think $$ is separate from the others
< 1409214571 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. wow, I'm surprised my evolver works somewhat. It can't add instructions to an empty gene.
< 1409214575 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't believe I miseed that.
< 1409214577 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed*
< 1409214638 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Life finds a way," like they say.
< 1409214796 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, it can in a roundabout way.
< 1409214798 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that roundabout way sucks.
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< 1409217598 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hmm, now that I think of it, $$ might actually be required to get the pipe to execute
< 1409217601 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget
< 1409217641 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but $$ desugars into connectResume eventually, which looks similar
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< 1409218912 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I found out why it's hard to write the introduction of my thesis. I have to write it in such a way that if a normal person reads it, they don't want to put it down because it all sounds abstract algebraic nonsense.
< 1409218959 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I started the introduction the way I want to start, then it would sound as abstract algebraic nonsense.
< 1409219032 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your thesis topic? I am a mathematician so don't worry about being too layman-y, but be warned I'm going to go to bed as soon as I finish this sentence so I won't see your response until later
< 1409219597 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's graph chromatic number and similar invariants. it doesn't have to be layman-like, but it can't be such that only about that 1/e part of mathematicians that have an algebraist point of view can understand it well.
< 1409219756 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have at least two theorems where I will give the same proof in two different ways: one algebraist described with homomorphism stuff, and one more concrete. 
< 1409220509 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if the thesis is about abstract algebraic nonsense then the introduction should reflect it.
< 1409220771 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about abstract nonsense, but combinatorial nonsense, not algebraic.
< 1409220794 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using algebra only as a tool to look at some of the questions differently.
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< 1409221938 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40356 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+9) 10Created page with "Err...Hi."
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< 1409237501 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Puzzlang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40357&oldid=37025 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+148) 10/* Implementation */  Added mention and link to a Puzzlang interpreter.
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< 1409238631 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> BOTS
< 1409238632 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :["fungot", "DoofBot", "HackEgo", "YayBot", "idris-bot", "EgoBot", "lambdabot"]
< 1409238632 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :DootBot: you cram these words into mine ears, against the people who used to frequent and occasionally other nationalities too. :) in fact, at 5:30 :( and :) for the first
< 1409238637 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bots I should add to that?
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< 1409241282 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> 123
< 1409241691 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopej
< 1409241693 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope*
< 1409241701 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disabled it for everyone but me
< 1409241761 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow whatever happened to the first amendment
< 1409241841 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in the Three Laws of Robotics.
< 1409241926 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, three laws of robotics say the robot has to calculate 123 for me unless it would harm another.
< 1409241941 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow wh atever happened to the first law of robotics
< 1409241972 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even allowed to stop me, say, deleting all its code with rb>, since second law overrides third
< 1409241976 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got decremented hth
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< 1409242068 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, second law, right
< 1409242077 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These form an organizing principle and unifying theme for Asimov's robotic-based fiction, appearing in his Robot series, the stories linked to it, and his Lucky Starr series of young-adult fiction." who knew lucky star was based on asimov
< 1409242099 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very, very loose adaption
< 1409242099 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of several animes using asimov explicitly, so hey
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< 1409242416 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it actually possible for something being possible to imply the possibility of nothing being possible?
< 1409242449 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1409242718 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, the possibility of nothing being possible would, by definition, imply said possibility.
< 1409242737 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that thing in the topic is a rephrasing of godel's theorem into modal logic
< 1409242764 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with possible = not disprovable, iiuc
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< 1409243282 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1409243295 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohyes
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< 1409243636 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409244105 0 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.93.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409244270 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it was something like that
< 1409245353 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1409245576 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Darths & Droids: "Leia: Oh... I totally should have seen this coming." :D
< 1409245589 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409245929 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409245935 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello dootbot
< 1409245935 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: what just DOOT! Balance! TOP] of. !praisehexil FOR MOAR concise? doot you comes 5? 
< 1409245941 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/./\0\0/
< 1409245941 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: HHeelllloo  ddoooottbboott
< 1409245960 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409245982 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we just get another trigram based language model blather generator?
< 1409246002 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot does not blather.
< 1409246002 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's just like mode... :( but i will certainly bought it on sale years a go
< 1409246008 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :trigram based?
< 1409246021 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's markov chains (I think that's what it is)
< 1409246023 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sorry. the word "babble" wouldn't come to mind
< 1409246092 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4(M.@
< 1409246092 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1000 
< 1409246096 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does that
< 1409246106 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainfuck ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1409246106 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1409246107 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that
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< 1409246262 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think these bots are bad, note that clog spews pretty much the same garbage and then some.
< 1409246271 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:5d82:fd29:e762:b6e8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409246422 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1409246427 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i don't have to see it
< 1409246443 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1409246594 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1409246970 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1409248863 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409249423 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409249575 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409249591 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1409249597 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hey/hey/
< 1409249597 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Regex /hey/ not found.
< 1409249605 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hey/he/i
< 1409249605 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: Hey
< 1409249610 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1409249639 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1409249647 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409249661 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409249663 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1409249666 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hey/he/i
< 1409249667 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: Hey
< 1409249669 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409249671 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1409249689 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Hey/he/
< 1409249689 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: Hey
< 1409249692 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1409249693 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409249715 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409249729 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's an off-by-one error
< 1409249730 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409249730 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be insensitive by default?
< 1409249736 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic off-by-one error
< 1409249744 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409249749 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it shouldn't
< 1409249761 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i/test/
< 1409249761 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: technically it shouldn't
< 1409249765 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409249769 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i/test/g
< 1409249770 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: techntestcally testt shouldn't
< 1409249782 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :........
< 1409249789 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i/test/1
< 1409249798 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/e/test/1
< 1409249811 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409250605 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very botsy day.
< 1409250891 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-165-85.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409251115 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TieSoul is trying to replace fungot!
< 1409251115 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but pesoix could be done with shift reset. would you mind looking over my infix-to-prefix conversion guide? i can't
< 1409251134 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you don't even have one of those!
< 1409251134 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so something has to be some mixed information about it, and restricting it to 2003 gave it a name
< 1409251586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What would yo do with an infix-to-prefix converter? Your language is so stacky.
< 1409251587 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " it has a kludge to implement the whole tower of control operators) was withdrawn, or was it some feature done " server-side"?
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< 1409252595 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing testing 1 2 3
< 1409252605 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/./\0\0\0\0\0/5
< 1409252605 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: testiiiiing testing 1 2 3
< 1409252617 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/./\0\0/g
< 1409252618 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: tteessttiiiiiiiiiinngg  tteessttiinngg  11  22  33
< 1409252627 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice it works
< 1409252639 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i/\0\0/2
< 1409252639 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: nice iit works
< 1409252645 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@tccd250-2.tccd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409252645 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@tccd250-2.tccd.edu QUIT :Changing host
< 1409252645 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409252653 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Lumia
< 1409252656 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/u/y/
< 1409252656 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: hey Lymia
< 1409252996 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409253382 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409254528 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "4+3*2+1"0{2u$$> #;1u::'/`\':\`*;;#,_:!;@_,#! #:<;#$_11p;>$# ,#_ #\ #0 #! #` #g #1 #1 #: #;# :# _$11g;
< 1409254533 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it went away.
< 1409254561 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Anyhow, there's an infix-to-RPN conversion for you hth
< 1409254561 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's mildly educational, though. do you think its usable?
< 1409254588 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Well, I mean. It only does + and *. Possibly in very limited circumstances.
< 1409254588 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're wasting good memory for things like remembering conversations and the like will not work right on that, imho.
< 1409254612 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have to be so negative all the time?
< 1409254612 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the new images would cover throat cancer, rotting teeth/ gums and gangrenous feet. ashley fnord, chief advisor on public health, says written warnings aren't as effective as showing you some bad ass examples :)
< 1409254710 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ew
< 1409254727 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative and just plain gross.
< 1409255022 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1409255022 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1409255034 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what irc channels did you train it with???
< 1409255061 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one, #scheme, and #douglasadams of IRCnet.
< 1409255079 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel uncomfortable
< 1409255080 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is only something like 5% of the source material, so it's quite rarely seen.
< 1409255126 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that particular "gem" is a verbatim quote from there.
< 1409255154 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the surname, and a few words in the end.
< 1409255174 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original ended "-- aren't as effective as pictures." with no emoticon.
< 1409255241 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's originally from Wikipedia.
< 1409255268 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, you can find one of those described images from the "New Zealand" subsection of the "Tobacco packaging warning messages" article, but I wouldn't.
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< 1409255603 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409255774 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 67*.
< 1409255778 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42 42  (Execution timed out.)
< 1409255787 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot an @. (That was just testing.)
< 1409255795 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "4+3*2+1"0{2u$$> #;1u::'/`\':\`*;;#,_:!;@_,#! #:<;#$_11p;>$# ,#_ #\ #0 #! #` #g #1 #1 #: #;# :# _$11g;
< 1409255812 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1409255819 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked in cfunge. :/
< 1409255828 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually errored
< 1409255842 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you somehow managed to get a nil on the stack.
< 1409255846 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1409255864 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will try to 1u from an empty SOSS, at least.
< 1409255878 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, I don't think it does anything especially strange.
< 1409255896 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other stuff on an empty (top) stack, perhaps.
< 1409255911 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 0"4+3*2+1"0{2u$$> #;1u::'/`\':\`*;;#,_:!;@_,#! #:<;#$_11p;>$# ,#_ #\ #0 #! #` #g #1 #1 #: #;# :# _$11g;
< 1409255911 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 123*+4+
< 1409255922 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guesstimating it's the 1u from an empty SOSS.
< 1409255930 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That version just had an explicit 0 down there.)
< 1409255973 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup it's u from empty SOSS
< 1409255993 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to add a clause for empty SOSS
< 1409256001 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409256031 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 0"4+3*2+1"0{2u$$> #;1u::'/`\':\`*;;#,_:!;@_,#! #:<;#$_11p;>$# ,#_ #\ #0 #! #` #g #1 #1 #: #;# :# _$11g;
< 1409256031 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 123*+4+
< 1409256038 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409256047 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "4+3*2+1"0{2u$$> #;1u::'/`\':\`*;;#,_:!;@_,#! #:<;#$_11p;>$# ,#_ #\ #0 #! #` #g #1 #1 #: #;# :# _$11g;
< 1409256048 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 123*+4+
< 1409256051 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1409256052 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :works
< 1409256060 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed
< 1409256259 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If needed, one could make it free of p/g by replacing the middle "11p" with "01-u", the last "11g" with "1u" and the middle (#ified) "11g" with "1u:01-u".
< 1409257302 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "8*7+6*5|4+3*2+1"0{2u$$> #;1u::'/`\':\`*;;#,_:!;@_,#! #:<;#$_11p;>$# ,#_ #\ #0 #! #` #g #1 #1 #: #;# :# _$11g;
< 1409257302 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 123*+4+56*78*+|
< 1409257306 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that it only does + and * was a bit of a misnomer, since any non-digit character is an operator with unique precedence based on ASCII order.
< 1409257368 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409257444 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409257530 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409257897 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1409258037 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409258384 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1409258437 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409258447 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the wiki down?
< 1409258530 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1409258567 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No route to host" for SSH.
< 1409258576 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps CloudAtCocks struck again.
< 1409258601 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have a closer look soon, though if it is, there's not much I can do, except try to motivate myself to move the thign.
< 1409258651 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1409258717 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a webhosty thing in York that seem pretty at least open when things go awry
< 1409258844 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bytemark)
< 1409258903 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why am i advertising them)
< 1409259101 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409259271 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard reasonable things about DigitalOcean.
< 1409259280 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have my own stuffs running on Tilaa.
< 1409259310 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen gregor
< 1409259347 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not since 2014-08-08.
< 1409259401 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolang wiki seems to be down here. Also gregor's logging.
< 1409259416 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were just talking about the former.
< 1409259423 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logging has been down a bit longer.
< 1409259460 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409259475 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo ping-timeouted about 5.5 hours ago, I assume that was related.
< 1409259482 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 days for logging. I hope it's stored somewhere and will uploaded at some point. (It's the only logging we have on #corewars)
< 1409259498 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbackup seems to be up.
< 1409259511 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think Gregor has ever merged glogbackup logs.
< 1409259514 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409259553 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Are the glogbackup logs located somewhere else?
< 1409259575 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they are publicly available, though I could be wrong.
< 1409259605 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, the idea is that they would be merged into the normal glog logs when the service is restored.
< 1409259645 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wouldn't want to go (again) through all the hassle to set up the temporary read-only esolangs.org page, if this is just a temporary blip.
< 1409259697 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409259720 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1409259791 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409259793 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing particularly recent about cloudatcost in the Twittosphere (unlike the last time). It's just not worky.
< 1409259812 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409259828 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the wiki hosted at cloudatcost?
< 1409259835 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1409259867 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Gregor's account, with myself as the person looking after the MediaWiki installation.
< 1409259874 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby sandbox ACTIVATE
< 1409259881 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> 10 ** 300
< 1409259881 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... (Too much output)
< 1409259894 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have cloudatcost control panel/console level access, so I can't try to see what's up there.
< 1409259905 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> (0..1000).to_a.inject(:*)
< 1409259905 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0
< 1409259910 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> (1..1000).to_a.inject(:*)
< 1409259910 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 402387260077093773543702433923003985719374864210714632543799910429938512398629020592044208486969404800479988610197196058631666872994808558901323829669944590997424504087073759918823627727188732519779505... (Too much output)
< 1409259911 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1409259988 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor seems to be online on IRC, he's whois-ing strongly
< 1409260024 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"idle 1 days 21 hours 43 mins 45 secs" does not fill me with confidence.
< 1409260072 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yuck
< 1409260127 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've asked.
< 1409260173 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can ping him on Facebook?
< 1409260275 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to.
< 1409260281 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hunt him down like a wounded deer.
< 1409260299 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have done so
< 1409260380 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1409260611 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1409261138 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:5d82:fd29:e762:b6e8 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif
< 1409261194 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409261359 0 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-96-189.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409261438 0 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409261613 0 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-96-189.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409263109 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409263110 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409263308 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> $"
< 1409263318 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1409263321 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dootbot isn't here
< 1409263327 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409263331 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> $"
< 1409263332 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ["wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this is typed?", "wait... this ... (Too much output)
< 1409263337 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in the other channel did this
< 1409263354 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb> $".map {|x| x.length}.inject(:+)
< 1409263355 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 16975616
< 1409263359 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1409263362 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1409263532 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: is that Ruby?
< 1409263539 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1409263558 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost completely secure sandbox though
< 1409263562 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg
< 1409263563 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1409263565 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the words of one of my friends, who was heavily inebriated at the time but still decided to go on IRC, "dat ruby"
< 1409263591 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, he was talking about an excerpt of Clojure)
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< 1409263992 0 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Client Quit
< 1409264252 0 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: return ()
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< 1409264634 0 :Lymia!~fujoshi@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1409264736 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1409265830 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409267001 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409267599 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah norwegian apples, dark red outside, sour inside
< 1409267630 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i bought them because they're currently the reddest in the shop, because i _don't_ like sour apples)
< 1409267648 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I like the confectionary known as sour apples
< 1409267663 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember that
< 1409267704 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to get some bread instead

< 1409267712 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are very sour
< 1409267728 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And small (about half an inch in diameter) and green
< 1409267893 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like the kind of thing i'd never try voluntarily :D
< 1409267920 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have too many at once and end up with a blister on my tongue
< 1409267928 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm heading to bed now, goodnight!
< 1409267932 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight
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< 1409269776 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-219.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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> 1409276157 683349 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409276159 308172 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1409276181 157039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huzzah!
< 1409276268 171440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :All glogged up again | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible. | 987659473857929758374956789
< 1409276388 485691 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I genuinely have no clue why it wasn't on...
< 1409276410 381134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :out taking over the world maybe?
< 1409276416 159983 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1409276525 490628 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409276870 847643 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409276935 130690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \f g x -> ((maybeToList . ((f :: Bool -> [()]) <=< g)) (x::())) == ((maybeToList . f) <=< (maybeToList . g)) x
< 1409276936 801421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘[]’ with ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe’
< 1409276936 882276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: GHC.Types.Bool -> Data.Maybe.Maybe () Actual type: GHC.Types....
< 1409276945 731974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409276952 351139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the other way
< 1409276996 810095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine tekmo you win this one
< 1409277325 761213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \f g x -> ((listToMaybe . ((f :: Bool -> [()]) <=< g)) (x::())) == ((listToMaybe . f) <=< (listToMaybe . g)) x
< 1409277327 975651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 3 tests):
< 1409277328 99813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <Bool -> [()]> <() -> [Bool]> ()
< 1409277343 944895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one i misread it as initially
< 1409277397 476653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm quickcheck could do with some better printing of function counterexamples :P
< 1409277519 384699 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\True -> [()])
< 1409277521 148511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <Bool -> [()]>
< 1409277615 104536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = (); g _ = [False,True]; f = flip when [] in ((listToMaybe . ((f :: Bool -> [()]) <=< g)) (x::())) == ((listToMaybe . f) <=< (listToMaybe . g)) x
< 1409277617 10178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1409277620 717975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409277624 510726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1409277711 219166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = (); g _ = [True,False]; f = flip when [] in ((listToMaybe . ((f :: Bool -> [()]) <=< g)) (x::())) == ((listToMaybe . f) <=< (listToMaybe . g)) x
< 1409277713 499991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1409277717 629491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1409277838 715092 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (<=<)
< 1409277840 585178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (b -> m c) -> (a -> m b) -> a -> m c
< 1409277888 454953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like compose, except in a monad (kleisli) category.
< 1409277910 400928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is compose in that category
< 1409277940 674515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: remind me what the thing about the kleisli category being the category of free algebras was?
< 1409277998 990906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :long since forgotten, although istr all monads essentially coming from varieties of universal algebras
< 1409278061 400538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you get a monad by combining the adjunctions of the free and underlying functions of such a variety...
< 1409278077 175003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1409278091 843371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*combining the adjoint free
< 1409278094 659446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, variety is a technical word
< 1409278101 418865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1409278125 422364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically "defined by equations", like monoids, groups or rings
< 1409278199 726271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can also have implications between equations, you have a quasi-variety
< 1409278208 241954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1409278238 531524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fields don't count because you need to be able to have an implication from an _in_equality (x /= 0 => x has inverse)
< 1409278260 339049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more complicated than the thing about free algebras
< 1409278290 303787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one of the things about varieties is that they _have_ free algebras.
< 1409278318 144192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure on the spot if quasi-varieties do too, but e.g. fields don't.
< 1409278391 226220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hm
< 1409278411 792047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> m b  means of course a function from a to the free algebra on b, in this picture
< 1409278425 23211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1409278447 341816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, to the underlying set of the free algebra
< 1409278447 557964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what's an algebra here
< 1409278462 602198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for [] the algebras are monoids
< 1409278469 296234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(category_theory)#Algebras_for_a_monad
< 1409278499 130526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe that page answers my question
< 1409278527 464052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope so
< 1409278570 600383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it does, it just claims it's true
< 1409278612 69590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not about to try and understand that again
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< 1409278880 457558 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quickcheck found a counterexample:      f = (\<lambda>x. [])(False := [()])      g = \<lambda>x. [True, False]      x = ()"
< 1409278939 757509 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This took longer than it should have, because HOL doesn't have proper monads)
< 1409278983 284065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly the same example, isn't it :P
< 1409279004 802161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that f syntax is weird
< 1409279100 286268 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses function update syntax
< 1409279136 694278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still _think_ it's equivalent to the f = flip when []  that i wrote.
< 1409279182 660387 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like that's the only counterexample, up to permutations
< 1409279208 364837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think you could have more elements in the [()] list
< 1409279213 844987 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(flip unless [] would also work, for example)
< 1409279259 360111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more elements in the [True,False] list as well
< 1409279394 306269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f needs to return [] for the first element in the list g returns, and non-[] for some other element
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< 1409288594 363526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki-to-IRC pipe should also be back up now.
< 1409288599 140903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not automagicalized.)
< 1409288640 217779 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1409288649 608136 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I insane for wanting to do math in agda?
< 1409288661 169681 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've lost track of what sane is these days
< 1409288691 144509 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been prescribed psychoactive drugs by a health maintenance institution
< 1409288819 986649 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1409288830 934649 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because I've been avoiding the shrinks
< 1409288838 91375 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the grows, but that's less urgent
< 1409289070 777387 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know some of us are actually mentally ill
< 1409289156 126979 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies
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< 1409289583 223513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hey stop scaring away the normals.  both of them.
< 1409289615 113513 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1409289617 340532 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we're all normal here. i'm normal. you're normal.
< 1409289626 172867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weirds are *out there*
< 1409289630 108773 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shudders

< 1409289631 719043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i'm normal.
< 1409289642 637492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're here aren't you?
< 1409289655 684920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1409291141 335370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Why not do math in brainfuck?
< 1409291312 605169 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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< 1409302075 882567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Gregor just miss EgoBot too, or was that intentional? 
< 1409302491 525174 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu
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< 1409302771 798544 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thanks for fixing the logging.
< 1409302860 389804 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible for me to have the #corewars glogbackup logs check? (I generally follow up on any questions, comments etc from when I'm offline)
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< 1409307574 730458 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can breathe!
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< 1409308546 724320 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: <boily> dextromethorphan hydrobromide, pseudoephedrine hydrochloride, guaifenesin, and acetaminophen.
< 1409308557 712875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Are you TRYING to get us on some sort of a watch list? 
< 1409308748 904074 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, you have flu :-(
< 1409308766 454293 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: me? nah. nothing surprising at all in here. it's only cough syrup with some paracetamol in it.
< 1409308793 738184 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_: yup.
< 1409308821 984218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: People do drink DXM for fun, you know.
< 1409309019 193253 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people make purple drank for fun too. that's their problem, not mine.
< 1409309048 452438 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like that time my stupid cousin went to a bar one time, and downed a whole bottle of syrup during the night. I wonder how he's still alive.)
< 1409309568 512257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a moot point, since a quick log-grep reveals (2011-07-02) someone conversing about how they "just cant seem to stop doing -- dissociative hallucinogens -- whether it be Ketamine or dextromethorphan". (In a discussion which I'm sure was very on-topic.)
< 1409309591 481158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's on-topic, it's just the wrong topic, since it goes into "crowleyan magick" and "charging sigils" immediately after.
< 1409309620 51025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we've seen many "wrong kind of esoteric" visitors as of late.
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< 1409309777 823050 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the multiple wrong kinds, I don't think I have seen any hispanophones here lately.
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< 1409309809 838669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? what's the problem with hispanophones? spanish isn't esoteric a language enough?
< 1409309818 276326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess English is more esoteric
< 1409309843 734737 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from their channel topic, I believe #selinux has a related problem.
< 1409309878 330089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I parsed that as "Swedish Linux" before even thinking of SELinux.
< 1409309920 425070 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: same thing with us here. “spanish oteric”. we've got people from Colombia and Venezuela, mainly.
< 1409309933 927580 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oteric
< 1409309941 642222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oteric? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1409310223 415286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
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< 1409310270 784198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought most channels that are language-specific versions of other channels have a language code at the end of the name following either a "-" or a "." separator
< 1409310276 482066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course the confusion can make sense
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< 1409310409 21950 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The english-speaking channel for all emacs distributions, #emacsenen.
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< 1409311094 787943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOH!
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< 1409311808 86631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh weird
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< 1409311984 455776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on with  this server
< 1409312164 566134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409312289 490889 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: There appears to be a ddos attack going on again.
< 1409312313 908317 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: same story, different attackers
< 1409312628 68251 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1409313101 801635 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1409313195 759244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hello whats up
< 1409313380 915142 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dooot
< 1409313695 324827 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-146-2.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409313769 791342 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot :P
< 1409313770 5434 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: PogChamp seems everybody's roll say. pew three? essentially be bot get? ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ ##bottesting OR? 
< 1409313840 502491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot seems to make slightly more sense
< 1409313840 761771 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: indeed you do, replace those square brackets make plt code hard to read
< 1409313968 196769 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: whatcha working on now
< 1409314002 846950 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really anything at the moment
< 1409314016 631253 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot
< 1409314016 834022 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: lotid, anyways cole over seen? I've because of the 3 shit that reason have! 
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< 1409318649 607927 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot
< 1409318650 158810 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION it'd TPP talked is could! KILL curve why on be. anyway. were is certain.

< 1409318669 908923 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bots
< 1409318675 167583 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bots
< 1409319286 192009 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1409319286 402072 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1409319293 591157 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes
< 1409319296 853147 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1409319297 380480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1409319370 503600 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time in the future we won't be able to write anything without triggering a bot
< 1409319534 253466 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that several of the listed ones seem to be missing, I am not worried.
< 1409319534 604425 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409319790 685833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is (hopefully) only temporarily gone; there's the whole bfjoust community to take care of, after all.
< 1409319811 812474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And metasepia's intermittently here.
< 1409319864 625377 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Quit: Tritonio
< 1409320161 354121 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far as I can tell, jconn has been disappeared since May. I was going to say I don’t know I’ve seen blsqbot, but it’s been around.
< 1409320616 174907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I don't run jconn continuously, only start it occasionally from my home computer. The alternative is j-bot which fftw runs, and was in on #jsoftware about five hours ago, it just isn't set up to join this channel. 
< 1409320625 878312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, jconn?
< 1409320629 559377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not my instance.
< 1409320645 583008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instance I run at home occasionally is evalj, with the prefix ]
< 1409320650 686291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prefix for j-bot is [
< 1409320652 351185 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409320656 204200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for jconn it's ) , yes
< 1409320661 540294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all of them listen to their name too
< 1409320697 446328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall whose jconn is
< 1409320705 990232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's jconn that's fftw's?
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< 1409325389 430507 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.openworm.org/post/96090226275/any-advanced-math-wizards-out-there
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< 1409327978 110920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Does "fftw" have anything to do with FFTW? 
< 1409328159 53833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I believe that's where he's got his nick
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< 1409331936 930124 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul_
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< 1409332939 852933 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a function (a -> Bool) -> Traversal' a a such that the traversal it makes traverses only when its argument gives back true?
< 1409332982 811254 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling a function of that type might be a bit.. essential in a dynamically typed setting
< 1409333053 98568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because you can pass back in an a that would fail the predicate, breaking the laws
< 1409333107 843730 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't there used to be a function that could break the laws?
< 1409333121 363413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it exists, yes.
< 1409333363 991100 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul_
< 1409333369 372234 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul
< 1409333550 289165 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncurry id
< 1409333551 475996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> c, b) -> c
< 1409334153 144818 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceweasel (31.0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
< 1409334154 580792 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Since version 30.0, NTLMv1 authentication has been disabled because it's known as insecure. Companies and organizations still deploying the older protocol should upgrade to NTMLv2, unfortunately, it's not supported by iceweasel.
< 1409334637 724933 :myndzl!myndzi@kingofstackers.com NICK :myndzi
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< 1409336968 267298 :Guest26100!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor
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< 1409339447 103097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jeLQ -- this (picked up from ##c) was quite amusing. (Undefined, of course.)
< 1409339546 710133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course)
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< 1409339615 823067 :`^_^!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1409339901 993988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aHQj is kind of analogous except relying on non-finite math rather than undefined stuff.
< 1409340010 154137 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the UB in the first one?
< 1409340032 742441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wonder about scanf(...) == 1, well, you know how GCC can be, all "warning: ignoring return value of 'scanf', declared with attribute warn_unused_result", so I just wrote an ion. (That's an assertion without the assert.)
< 1409340073 290217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it's generating a trap representation -- an object representation that does not represent a value of the type.
< 1409340097 918947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not the generating, the act of reading it.
< 1409340102 831729 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :representation of _Bool, I assume.. e.g. it might be a byte and might require that the byte be either 1 or 0
< 1409340114 570598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's very conventional.
< 1409340144 354326 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409340148 970177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if (v.c) could perhaps generate something like if (v.c == true), which would then fail
< 1409340150 921923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Certain object representations need not represent a value of the object type. If the stored value of an object has such a representation and is read by an lvalue expression that does not have character type, the behavior is undefined." (C11 6.2.6.1p5)
< 1409340230 177966 :pillow_!~pillow@59.96.204.92 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1409340384 137727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite close. Actually, with optimizations off, it does "xorl $1, %eax; testb %al, %al; je skip_over_the_true_branch" to perform the !v.c test.
< 1409340423 119683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With optimizations on, it might generate something else, but it also assumes (quite rightly) a boolean and only tests once.
< 1409340426 446069 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-175-192.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409340446 694557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact, my test case of  if (x) f(); if (!x) f();  got turned into  f();  alone.)
< 1409340488 317420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xor thing is odd though, if it does the test anyway, why not just do jne instead?
< 1409340512 136917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, it's a straight-forward translation.
< 1409340524 312937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it was optimization off
< 1409340539 775939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The "!" is the "xorl $1, %eax" part, and then comes the if (...) part.
< 1409340783 310524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously enough, this clang (with optimizations off) ands the _Bool value by 1 before doing any testing. With them on, it assumes, but also just tests once for nonzeroness. So both "work".
< 1409340935 562702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In LLVM there is the i1 type for booleans
< 1409341215 190105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it would also be better the way Pascal does it; the type specifies the range of possible values.
< 1409341502 785783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can write it is 0 to 255, or whatever
< 1409342044 846793 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409342070 495222 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409342126 865981 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(5R#@6.@
< 1409342127 25314 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: 6 
< 1409342137 291643 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that supposed to happen?
< 1409342188 579412 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(5K#@6.  @
< 1409342192 807521 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul:  (Execution timed out.)
< 1409342196 123304 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(5K#@6.   @
< 1409342200 344907 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul:  (Execution timed out.)
< 1409342202 846083 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1409342506 328380 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409342527 192778 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409342535 43394 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(5R#@6.@
< 1409342535 269431 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: No output.
< 1409342559 597208 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1409342565 863760 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should output 6 I think
< 1409342583 164297 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(5K#@6.@
< 1409342587 274635 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul:  (Execution timed out.)
< 1409342598 187548 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(4K#@6.@
< 1409342598 399368 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: No output.
< 1409342604 776305 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(1K#@6.@
< 1409342604 945005 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: No output.
< 1409342607 881947 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(2K#@6.@
< 1409342608 37613 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: 6 
< 1409342623 286119 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CEXE"4(2R#@6.@
< 1409342633 861944 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(2R#@6.@
< 1409342634 123403 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: No output.
< 1409342677 256470 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4('#1X@5.@
< 1409342677 448604 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: 5 
< 1409342684 28124 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4('#2X@5.@
< 1409342684 251241 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: 1 
< 1409342762 673993 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(cA#@5.@
< 1409342762 829600 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: 5 
< 1409342781 445879 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(d0A#@5.@
< 1409342781 601460 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: 5 
< 1409342785 7034 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409342790 874549 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shouldn't happen I think
< 1409342807 530431 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1409342809 343287 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind
< 1409342817 569290 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(e01A#@5.@
< 1409342817 724821 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: 5 
< 1409342820 208461 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1409342840 23237 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CEXE"4(d01A#@5.@
< 1409342840 201366 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiesoul: No output.
< 1409342841 779316 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1409342843 811822 :Tiesoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409342957 984864 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep
< 1409343261 710077 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1409343316 668570 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I saw Guardians of the Galaxy, for the third time
< 1409343337 789337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think makes it the movie I have seen the most number of times in a cimema
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< 1409344000 3689 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit!
< 1409344030 570405 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409344077 308896 :KingOfKarlsruhe_!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de NICK :KingOfKarlsruhe
< 1409344087 139700 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host
< 1409344087 295844 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409345114 981559 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.4-dev
< 1409345219 988357 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409345773 229519 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb 
< 1409345774 842457 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1409345783 620118 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen it
< 1409345795 658936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fun, light-hearted sci-fi movie
< 1409345811 138627 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend it
< 1409345917 992947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1409345930 720914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about snowpiercer
< 1409346033 83396 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen it
< 1409346123 345214 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1409346622 430823 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:e846:1e77:a1de:d3c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409346741 43067 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409346864 354992 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tncuxgfwqjsytgan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409347046 509499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DootBot: !help
< 1409347046 819653 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: !guess can you change shit Kappa yourself! 
< 1409347055 449306 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1409347077 554473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1409347205 451026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1409347936 376902 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1409348155 235502 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cillian Murphy!
< 1409348633 979592 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-32-101.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409348780 323706 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1409348832 66823 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409348904 347000 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1409348909 29742 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409348950 525042 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409348985 738861 :jarcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409349110 35478 :KingOfKarlsruhe_!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409349116 325816 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1409349121 732391 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409349168 57715 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1409349173 81464 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409349173 990051 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-32-101.play-internet.pl QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409349174 787609 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409349176 160800 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409349176 160941 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409349194 763077 :KingOfKarlsruhe_!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de NICK :KingOfKarlsruhe
< 1409349226 283670 :mauris!~mauris@91.176.188.212 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409349227 462921 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host
< 1409349227 618233 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409349373 339558 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409349494 933282 :jj2baile!~jon@high-fructose-corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409349702 685658 :mauris!~mauris@91.176.188.212 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1409349710 566318 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat99.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1409349712 484586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP HOW TO EXORCISE LAPTOP
< 1409349948 26662 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409350273 862887 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409350287 14406 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-32-101.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409350287 171374 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409350363 575745 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-32-101.play-internet.pl QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1409350372 408225 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 305 seconds
< 1409350434 590194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no seriously there is a demon in this computer
< 1409350578 29437 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1409350674 159495 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I suggest dunking it in holy water.
< 1409350731 186055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i don't have enough money to buy a replacement :/
< 1409351072 455282 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409351141 966021 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409351163 204442 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com NICK :Guest21595
< 1409351171 169628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening
< 1409351201 110813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm reading the classic textbook Aho, Ullman, "The Theory of Parsing, Translation, and Compiling", (1972),
< 1409351222 106754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems like a really good book that tells what I wanted to learn about context-free languages in a style I like
< 1409351248 134506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a sentence in it that seems as if it's written to address the community of this channel specifically
< 1409351334 230271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after stating that there are context-free languages that have no unambiguous context-free grammars, and that these are called inherently ambiguous, it states “no inherently ambiguous programming languages have been devised yet”
< 1409351575 553722 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409351578 331282 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1409351600 321481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409351623 831881 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey œrjan
< 1409351697 235692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello TieSoul
< 1409351698 198181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1409351715 575396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hijsel (your nick is a pun on your real name, right?)
< 1409351721 930881 :evalj!~jeval@5400EF77.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409351768 415239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1409351776 964472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to TieSoul-mobile 
< 1409351850 354185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw his windows username in something he pasted
< 1409352069 981589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i being creepy
< 1409352136 668391 :Guest21595!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1409352136 823876 :Guest21595!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409352154 499559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40358&oldid=40351 5* 03B jonas 5* (+487) 10/* Mathematics */ inherently ambiguous context-free language
< 1409352161 380380 :Guest21595!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn
< 1409352172 385009 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409352362 745900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not at all, Mr. Johansen.
< 1409352455 722596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okeikki
< 1409352481 694672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure it counts when we put it openly in the real name field
< 1409352495 83912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ircname
< 1409352517 352103 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409352580 280061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does such a language already exist?
< 1409352632 227072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall oklopol had a language that guessed the meaning from the types
< 1409352639 942604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1409352841 657663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: asking "is anyone around?" when you have a specific question isn't very nice
< 1409353112 983389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \p -> prism' id (mfilter p)
< 1409353114 96528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Choice p, Applicative f) => (a -> Bool) -> p a (f (Maybe a)) -> p (Maybe a) (f (Maybe a))
< 1409353184 102950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3,4] & traverse.prism' id (mfilter odd) %~ (+2)
< 1409353185 792484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type:
< 1409353185 948056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   a ~ Data.Maybe.Maybe a
< 1409353185 948232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: a -> Data.Maybe.Maybe a
< 1409353185 948322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   Actual type: a -> a
< 1409353189 164963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1409353209 874798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mfilter
< 1409353211 233665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadPlus m => (a -> Bool) -> m a -> m a
< 1409353222 788749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right hm
< 1409353247 450121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3,4] & traverse.prism' id (mfilter odd.return) %~ (+2)
< 1409353249 392965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,2,5,4]
< 1409353264 940926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ^ *MWAHAHAHAHA*
< 1409353295 665164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3,4] & traverse . filtered odd %~ (+2)
< 1409353297 386825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,2,5,4]
< 1409353313 293105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :prism??
< 1409353313 457735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't find that where i looked
< 1409353323 392868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
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< 1409353342 107619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can only traverse one item after all >:)
< 1409353349 497402 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3,4] & traverse . filtered odd %~ (+1)
< 1409353351 401873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,2,4,4]
< 1409353370 232947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose making it not a prism discourages using it in even more evil ways
< 1409353438 832965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even more law-violating as a prism
< 1409353454 223769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no guarantee that the predicate applies to the thing you're constructing
< 1409353485 38007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot is this?
< 1409353490 165502 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders a Detect profunctor, that just contains a hashmap of symbols to bools, starting them all at true, and as various capabilities are used, setting them false as needed

< 1409353496 961038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but it breaks for the same reason - not treating the selected subset as a closed type
< 1409353502 74663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think.
< 1409353517 263328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed?
< 1409353537 188116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "closed under whatever arbitrary operation/value you provide"
< 1409353539 851259 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. using dimap sets 'id to #f, using strong/etc. sets 'iso to #f
< 1409353585 292108 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So effectively determining the 'type' of optic even though they're all functions in a dynamically typed language
< 1409353607 851427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds horrible
< 1409353647 103028 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1409353679 849754 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, actually, dimap id id would fail to be id, hmm
< 1409353712 286475 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409353758 5343 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, it reveals what will and will not throw an exception
< 1409353782 30559 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if dimap blah id id should be morally equivalent to blah, it isn't because blah might not be a profunctor
< 1409353793 698301 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ok, so I'm changing order of arguments a bit)
< 1409354211 384653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm filtered is in Control.Lens.Fold because that's the only use that's definitely safe
< 1409354223 981659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's defined such that it allows cheating
< 1409354240 608452 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409355140 568824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh inherently ambiguous is a technical term
< 1409355157 468268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I tried to explain what it means
< 1409355162 450010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case i _really_ doubt any have been made
< 1409355172 496385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doubt?
< 1409355191 270289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe by accident
< 1409355200 372895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's so many esolangs, and this fact isn't something secret, it's in many other books about formal languages too, even if not formulated as a call for challenge
< 1409355210 263994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a more advanced concept than most esolangs use, frankly
< 1409355285 581699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i haven't read the wiki article yet, i need to catch up on the wiki later
< 1409355293 963021 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409355412 309503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't have to read what I wrote on the wiki, I just said the same thing on this channel 70 minutes ago
< 1409355419 922285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even a very simple construction might work,
< 1409355472 979569 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as a brainfuck variant where if the program doesn't have balanced brackets then it's considered a brainfuck program with an alternate symbol set where <> are the loop delimiters and [] are the head move operators
< 1409355536 944227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be nicer if the language wasn't a brainfuck variant of course
< 1409355668 367614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i take it the language of unbalanced brackets isn't context-free then?
< 1409355811 602689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language of unbalanced brackets is context-free
< 1409355812 419057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually i doubt that
< 1409355830 616048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i recall defining a monoid of bracket matching state
< 1409355849 942652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case i doubt your language actually is inherently ambiguous
< 1409355859 374327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book proves that the complement of any language recognized by a deterministic push-down automaton can also be recognized by a deterministic push-down automaton, which proves it's context-free
< 1409355879 766432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1409355887 393924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's obvious
< 1409355888 202158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point here is that if the brackets are balanced, then the program is still valid, with the original brainfuck semantics
< 1409355910 831745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that doesn't mean it's intrinsically ambiguous
< 1409355934 277987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the set of valid programs is the language of strings with balanced brackets unioned with the language of strings with balanced angle brackets,
< 1409355938 118329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to separate the two legal sublanguages into disjoint context-free languages
< 1409355972 898306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm not completely sure it's intrinsically ambiguous yet, so you might need a somewhat different construction, yes
< 1409355989 805109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it is
< 1409356025 983388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well the latter is an intersection language, so not necessarily context-free
< 1409356104 387406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that doesn't prove you cannot split in a different way
< 1409356116 260994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you go ahead finding a proof :P
< 1409356155 324076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, but more importantly define a similar language that isn't a brainfuck derivative, because we don't need another brainfuck derivative
< 1409356178 445771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1409356255 527405 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like at or ix (not sure which) that allows for a default if the key isn't found? I assume that's only safe if the user promises to treat "no value present" as "this value is the default" consistently
< 1409356282 874900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: for what data structure?
< 1409356292 392832 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map
< 1409356299 593990 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the thing I most have in mind
< 1409356327 299306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guessing yes, let me look it up
< 1409356373 155254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you use those together with non
< 1409356402 464863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t non
< 1409356404 311941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Profunctor p, Functor f, Eq a) => a -> p a (f a) -> p (Maybe a) (f (Maybe a))
< 1409356429 854003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.6.3/html/libraries/containers-0.5.0.0/Data-Map-Lazy.html#v:findWithDefault
< 1409356445 531990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: he's talking about lens
< 1409356466 27854 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1409356470 985501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so that's why those names "ix" and "at" are so strange
< 1409356486 170995 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this always forcibly deletes the entry if you try to set to the value given to the non
< 1409356488 493711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :("at" would make sense in C++)
< 1409356502 854951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes that's considered a feature?
< 1409356512 49059 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1409356560 479601 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love simple :: Iso' a a.
< 1409356594 683668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _is_ pretty simple
< 1409356614 844513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not Equality'?
< 1409356638 886645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is Equality'.
< 1409356665 687755 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Equality' what I called 'id, or something else?
< 1409356671 927029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1409356807 696350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has the usual four stabs
< 1409356816 764089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1409356829 424951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is apostrophically blind

< 1409357039 524080 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you do with equalities that you can't do with isos?
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< 1409357511 921803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name "Equality'" reads scary to me,
< 1409357551 805822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sort of reminds me to SML which doesn't have real typeclasses but only a few built-in ones, so "'a" is an ordinary type variable and "''a" is an Eq-constrained one
< 1409357705 24889 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 'a
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< 1409357713 796073 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ''a
< 1409357713 951876 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:2: error: expected: name
< 1409357714 107671 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :''a<EOF> 
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< 1409358094 152285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can we make applicative LR parsers in Haskell?
< 1409358152 589277 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1409358222 942482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t inon
< 1409358224 229262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘inon’
< 1409358224 384972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1409358224 385111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘inone’ (imported from Control.Lens),
< 1409358268 726254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Lemon, the tokenizer calls the parser. To do it with Haskell you would make the parse state to be a function that receives a token and returns the next parse state. Using this you could perhaps make parsers to form a category too, for example simply the composition of the tokenizer with the parser.
< 1409358324 496459 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not haskell until you make a category out of it.
< 1409358453 72607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The identity would then be a program consisting of a single token and the parsed value also consists of exactly the single token. It doesn't seems very useful but it would be mathematically the identity morphism anyways.
< 1409358488 605129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409358523 90786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if it is based on (Free ((->) token)) then it looks like it, but it doesn't seems like you are making a applicative LR parser out of that; it looks like LL parser. So, how can you make applicative LR parser?
< 1409358579 872392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems like it would also have to be one which isn't a monad, and is only applicative?)
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< 1409360538 259608 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t inon
< 1409360539 472027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘inon’
< 1409360539 627891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1409360539 628056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘inone’ (imported from Control.Lens),
< 1409360542 773552 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t inone
< 1409360544 45883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FoldableWithIndex i f => (i -> a -> Bool) -> f a -> Bool
< 1409360554 759227 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t id <$> pure id <*> pure id
< 1409360556 16166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => f (a -> a)
< 1409360582 462788 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How lazy should traversals be to make them useful?
< 1409360599 651332 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess always having them target every point is not actually too useful in many circumstances
< 1409360681 811312 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a lens is an iso from a value to a pair of the original value and a focus, can I have a traversal be an iso from a value to a pair of the original value and a list of of focuses, or something?
< 1409360728 442427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened, every time I look in here the discussion is about lenses ...
< 1409360753 729188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #haskell-lens hth
< 1409360774 135072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i'm not sure what i was looking for with inon actually exists
< 1409360790 808812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that
< 1409360802 196211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed version of non
< 1409360812 498382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh can I find non-lens discussions there?
< 1409360817 578846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :frequently
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< 1409360931 217895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in fact there don't seem to _be_ indexed Isos
< 1409361015 346903 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I'm trapped in an agda
< 1409361092 567556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i don't think a lens is that hth
< 1409361121 113555 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor p => p (a, o) (b, o) s t
< 1409361156 927133 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that meaningful as a Lens s t a b?... argh
< 1409361209 113345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's forall p then it's an Iso
< 1409361221 504163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does a profunctor have four arguments
< 1409361229 514166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too.
< 1409361250 766391 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor p => p (a, o) (b, o) -> p s t
< 1409361251 304315 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
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< 1409361262 678739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still an Iso.
< 1409361266 275197 :lorenzo__!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-234-22.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409361282 546207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're looking for unlenses
< 1409361300 694083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is the o supposed to be forall'ed too
< 1409361310 353554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is edwardk when we need him
< 1409361320 259565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably in #haskell-lens, right?)
< 1409361329 43935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Unlensy p where unlensy :: p (e, a) (e, b) -> p a b
< 1409361339 767005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey profunctor lenses are my thing
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< 1409361346 596447 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doens't know what unlenses are

< 1409361350 832952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right.  what are unlenses?
< 1409361367 25341 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to think of that type because after I use strong I think it's what's left to define
< 1409361372 713865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall p. ... p => p a b -> p s t) is the "normal" direction for optics.
< 1409361379 271818 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by strong I mean first'
< 1409361383 576564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can make a dual class where it's (forall p. ... p => p t s -> p b a)
< 1409361409 542619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of Iso the dual of Profunctor is Profunctor, of course. Instead of (s -> a, b -> t) it's (b -> t, s -> a) but that's the same thing.
< 1409361423 14361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For various restrictions of p you get different classes.
< 1409361438 959650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Lensy p where lensy :: p a b -> p (e,a) (e,b)
< 1409361445 436974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Unlensy p where unlensy :: p (e,a) (e,b) -> p a b
< 1409361474 867799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Un p a b s t = Un { runUn :: p t s -> p b a }
< 1409361509 320245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Lensy p => Unlensy (Un p a b)
< 1409361516 598723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Unlensy p => Lensy (Un p a b)
< 1409361523 799366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ycnaf
< 1409361533 392928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a bizarro dual world of optics hiding there
< 1409361539 242121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ycnaf?
< 1409361557 745790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can now apply functions
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< 1409362109 572218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lot simpler than that hth
< 1409362121 586994 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( reverse "ycnaf"
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< 1409362126 479347 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1409362149 270611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1409362182 538373 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( reverse "ycnaf"
< 1409362182 694074 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"fancy" : 12String
< 1409362184 386516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coöerjan
< 1409362235 488703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i read _The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents_ i didn't know how "cooperate" was pronounced
< 1409362248 632926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed it was like "recuperate" is pronounced but without the "re"
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< 1409362641 886492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is best way I can do optimization involving reordering instructions in order to allow further optimizations?
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< 1409364640 666925 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can have profunctor only lenses, but the price is that you can no longer use "traverse" and similar as a lens"
< 1409364643 423244 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that about?
< 1409364810 369719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p a b -> p s t) and (traverse :: (a -> f b) -> s -> f t) don't unify.
< 1409364849 611835 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't really make sense to use traversals as lenses, unless you insist on monoidness
< 1409364868 174008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it means traverse as a traversal.
< 1409364899 88159 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1409364909 653984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fold as a fold iirc
< 1409364914 410490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Foldable.fold
< 1409364915 416260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monoid m, Foldable t) => t m -> m
< 1409364928 784821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no
< 1409364928 940325 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads an old version of a gist that has a Bazaar definition in it

< 1409364935 938021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Foldable.foldMap
< 1409364936 806239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monoid m, Foldable t) => (a -> m) -> t a -> m
< 1409364985 747506 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*understandable Bazaar definition
< 1409364989 658127 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/sjoerdvisscher/7043326/92492c6bb8e1e1ca9c0b96eb04e67eecc0c6b1e0
< 1409365007 777806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That type isn't quite the same as Bazaar.
< 1409365022 710881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only because of things like infinite traversals.)
< 1409365027 722562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it seems more complicated than Bazaar to me.
< 1409365070 263121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traversal s t a b = forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
< 1409365087 377823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traversal s t a b ~~ s -> forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t
< 1409365092 474153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~ s -> Bazaar a b t
< 1409365093 362622 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a pure profunctor ttraversal, is it?
< 1409365094 219240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1409365104 293150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1409365112 547391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is about pure profunctor lenses.
< 1409365134 528257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stil think the FunList definition is more confusing than, say, representability.
< 1409365152 609017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is where you pick p f x y = (x -> f y)
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< 1409367624 182955 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (961)
< 1409367625 100466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (961): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1409367873 903170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olists are so infrequent these days that this feels like a waste :'(
< 1409367883 426181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after i gain more information i'll think differently
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< 1409369675 414287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "register forwarding format" makes more sense to me than the standard "single static assignment".
< 1409369775 989345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is that there are no phi functions; instead, each label which is a possible branch target takes parameters.
< 1409369802 590217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also therefore looks like easier to compile into Haskell do-notation)
< 1409369840 456910 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure those are isomorphic.
< 1409369885 784545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably is, although still they would have different advantages and disadvantages, I think.
< 1409369914 495993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the person with the hair is secretly on the vampire's side
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< 1409370197 150199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any programs use this register forwarding format though?
< 1409371246 756075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: EMBRACE THE OLIST
< 1409373354 612943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make an optimization where if a text string is a suffix of another one, it can combine them. This is Z-machine strings, so it should only do if the prefix and suffix are both at least three characters long. Also due to the way the text packing works, in some cases it can be used even if it is not a suffix.
< 1409373382 915907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if two strings are "It doesn't work!" and "It broke and now it doesn't work!" then the first one can be considered as a suffix of the second one even though it isn't.
< 1409373464 853310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have advice of it?
< 1409373629 489030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this example, you would have to ensure that the prefix ("It broke and now ") ends up in temporary shift state 1. Modulo the number of Z-characters by 3 to determine the sequence it needs to end with: If zero, the sequence is 544. If one, the sequence is 54544 or 55544. If two, the sequence is 4. (In the example, it happens to contain 18 Z-characters, so the sequence is 544.)
< 1409374248 4278 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :int-e
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< 1409378320 902266 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to combine two lenses to get a traversal?
< 1409378337 475278 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if I want to manipulate targets of both (at "hi") and (at "Bye") at the same time
< 1409378338 722086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the lenses overlap, that can make an invalid traversal.
< 1409378369 843835 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1409379792 526702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't cross the lenses
< 1409379943 761626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40359&oldid=40304 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+0) 10Syntax
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< 1409382044 369122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you know some things about these optimization, because I do not know how to efficiently make such a thing.
< 1409382090 199906 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro
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< 1409382221 698780 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would there be anything wrong with me using a function of the type SomeClass p => p a b -> p [a] [b] to enable Traversals?
< 1409382240 754469 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a dynamically typed language?
< 1409382273 152558 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deeply sinful
< 1409382294 459338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traversable f => p a b -> p (f a) (f b)
< 1409382301 547082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, traversals aren't lists.
< 1409382312 611776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Folds aren't lists. They're trees.
< 1409382583 330881 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Folds aren't in my mental model yet
< 1409382656 318121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable behaves a lot like class Foldable f where toList :: f a -> [a]
< 1409382662 411271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not exactly that. Why not?
< 1409382829 378763 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efficiency reasons? I don't know
< 1409383006 932375 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably be sleeping
< 1409383214 711539 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toListOf
< 1409383216 219829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting (Endo [a]) s a -> s -> [a]
< 1409383229 201632 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs somewhere in the opposite direction

< 1409383291 237878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many patterns does a peephole optimizer normally have?
< 1409383293 566506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These types aren't that scary.
< 1409383320 135287 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Lists are a specific traversable... who is forcing the traversable to a specific instance? The traversal, or the function running the traversal (e.g. toListOf), or something else?
< 1409383330 471709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written one; it is not yet complete, but so far it consists of over 200 patterns.
< 1409383469 418913 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I be wrong in suspecting it's the traversal that forces the Traversable to be a specific instance?
< 1409383517 70089 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the one calling ... whatever the Traversable f => p a b -> p (f a) (f b).... which as I understand wouldn't appear in the specific type... although p needs to support that function
< 1409383577 580501 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was sort of having an idea of having a function for lists, a function for stream, etc... if any of my thinking is correct, I could generalize that, maybe. Thanks shachaf.... (thank you even if I'm way off base)
< 1409383624 42283 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1409385329 378701 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whats the latest in esoteric proglangs
< 1409385331 758783 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything good?
< 1409386501 882186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1409387089 530502 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: shame :(
< 1409389689 732908 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409389696 251802 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys
< 1409389729 895019 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing FPSP and FPDP in RubyFunge, and I was wondering if I should round the output.
< 1409390034 839728 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409390069 919677 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PDPF"4(2FQP@
< 1409390070 112782 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1.4142135623730951 
< 1409390090 877179 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PDPF"4(2FQ..@
< 1409390091 32983 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1073127582 1719614413 
< 1409390307 16403 :Tiesoul_!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409390318 215574 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409390320 533353 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you
< 1409390508 66289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you
< 1409390656 902200 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409390661 973031 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is going around using my name
< 1409390665 797898 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that
< 1409391159 379365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1409391161 211854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your IP
< 1409391284 102998 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It knows where you live
< 1409391483 326187 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1409391539 754815 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1409391541 145949 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dafuq
< 1409391729 707526 :Tiesoul_!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1409391758 991619 :Tiesoul_!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409391764 276358 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK
< 1409391772 355302 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone knows my password
< 1409391774 394418 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my IP
< 1409391781 245139 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is somehow logged in at my IP
< 1409391785 49462 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck
< 1409391876 423 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409392056 577764 :Tiesoul_!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1409392095 795587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ...
< 1409392104 42681 :Tiesoul_!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409392105 432301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's just another client running on your computer or something.
< 1409392118 157318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:29 [freenode] [ctcp(TieSoul_)] VERSION 
< 1409392118 313180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:29 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from Tiesoul_: CIRC 0.6.5.8 Chrome
< 1409392118 313336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:31 [freenode] [ctcp(TieSoul)] VERSION 
< 1409392118 313429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:31 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from TieSoul: CIRC 0.6.5.8 Chrome
< 1409392125 474998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're even using the same client as you!!
< 1409392129 746044 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1409392135 796826 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it connect twice
< 1409392143 429088 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why only to #esoteric huh?
< 1409392152 267151 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in more than that
< 1409392166 201459 :TieSoul!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409392166 441969 :Tiesoul_!~Tiesoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409392181 610806 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409392183 387727 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the butler
< 1409392205 143669 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel sorry for freaking out
< 1409392224 120528 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty weird though how it was named Tiesoul_ and not TieSoul_.
< 1409393858 991449 :KingOfKarlsruhe_!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de NICK :KingOfKarlsruhe
< 1409393866 124220 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host
< 1409393866 279780 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409394909 416391 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-234-22.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409394987 890913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409395139 865830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about CIRC, but irssi is p. easy to connect twice, by getting disconnected and then doing a manual /connect without using /rmreconns to stop the pending automatic reconnect.
< 1409395287 336178 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in any case, it seems RubyFunge is slower (at least with ys) than any of the interpreters listed in http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-comparison.html, based on the HRTI part
< 1409395380 420520 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409395401 740310 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409395420 73483 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(MyT.@
< 1409395420 229094 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 8999 
< 1409395424 303831 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1409395427 155033 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :y takes 9 ms
< 1409395439 504783 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(M0yT.@
< 1409395439 676025 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 2999 
< 1409395443 603023 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(M1yT.@
< 1409395443 759017 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 3000 
< 1409395446 835397 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(M5yT.@
< 1409395446 990807 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 3999 
< 1409395455 637474 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1409395472 56773 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(MnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyT.@
< 1409395472 248780 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 108000 
< 1409395513 458915 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty slow
< 1409395538 757157 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(M"AMOR"4(T.@
< 1409395538 913255 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1999 
< 1409395827 342904 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(S.@
< 1409395827 498314 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 812999 
< 1409395830 85225 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(S.@
< 1409395830 240917 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 529000 
< 1409395830 601150 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(S.@
< 1409395830 756750 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 72000 
< 1409395831 7360 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(S.@
< 1409395831 162687 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 479000 
< 1409395831 423155 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(S.@
< 1409395831 578589 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 894999 
< 1409395834 403778 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems
< 1409395847 179755 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Ruby can't handle microseconds
< 1409395856 989690 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409395894 997055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "y benchmark" is kind of silly.
< 1409395902 513120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody really executes y in a tight loop, after all.
< 1409395948 840603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, it can be a costly instruction and affect overall mycology runtime, but mycology's not exactly actual production code either.
< 1409396006 686446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be good if someone were to construct a benchmark involving the kind of operations that real-world business-critical Befunge code performs.
< 1409396166 338745 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, seems DootBot can't handle microseconds in HRTI, but when I run RubyFunge normally it does do microseconds.
< 1409396166 494443 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: I is it's it starter cly? FlyingMamo: looking are feedback nerf to. You me Nowi, a potatoes the the! 
< 1409396237 737153 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ITRH"4(MT.@
< 1409396237 892880 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 
< 1409396246 291039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes that babble almost seems like a unigram model.
< 1409397576 384550 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409397603 421992 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409397704 955295 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might very well be
< 1409397865 179229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly the "the the" part, which would presumably be quite low on any bigram (or Markov-chain-with-context) thing.
< 1409398172 68996 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409398175 736766 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1409398177 175001 :Guest2171!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409398177 577444 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1409399175 894272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409399359 865438 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409399444 49814 :hogeyui____!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409399476 472029 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409399476 676516 :hogeyui___!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1409399827 716239 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1409399985 828177 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1409400059 842065 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@static.84.17.63.178.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host
< 1409400060 5394 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409400120 993366 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409400169 141224 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-234-22.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409400475 461492 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409400600 558879 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409400837 441045 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1409401273 161025 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1409401371 996156 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409401441 407329 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409401525 461431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1409401546 425652 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409401579 507553 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly NICK :FireFly
< 1409401671 132856 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409401734 945637 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2
< 1409401760 77396 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409401760 983199 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409401776 686962 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409402055 929062 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409402263 818517 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, erm, my funge-98 interpreter has working file IO, but Mycology says it doesn't work.
< 1409402271 471516 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I performed the same tests Mycology does.
< 1409402277 46035 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :They work.
< 1409402410 35684 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409402914 685579 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409403058 82026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 530 seconds
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< 1409403080 963634 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409403131 516497 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409403433 287571 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1409403463 255020 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-219.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409403508 509296 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-219.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1409403508 664646 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409403534 617170 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409403596 528178 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1409409484 104653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40360 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1701) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Fortob |paradigms=imperative, [[:Category:Self-modifying|self-modifying]] |author=[[User:GermanyBoy]] |year=[[:Category:2014|2014]] |memsys=:Categor..."
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< 1409409713 784998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone happen to remember which language it was where there was a three-class circular thing on the top of the class hierarchy? 
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< 1409410911 5139 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is too tired to do functional programming right now.
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< 1409411101 87631 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone out there should publish a nice FP-lite language. (use monads with 33% less brain power!)
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< 1409411356 646209 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did a couple Project Euler exercises but my solutions, while correct, were full of set!s. 
< 1409411402 546666 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you have used a named let?
< 1409411485 717285 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what "class hierarchy"?
< 1409411514 28112 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they were on let variables. So at least I wasn't just using a bunch of global defines.
< 1409411632 333994 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :par example: http://pasterack.org/pastes/61660
< 1409411832 971045 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :en effet.
< 1409411914 717518 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is also too tired (same flu from yesterday), so I can't offer precise advice (don't even think about working one), but my feeling here is that you should put x an y directly into the fib-loop, and call the whole thing with initial values.
< 1409411920 719165 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that, or a nice recursive lambda.)
< 1409411935 525207 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should prevent the set!s for the most part.
< 1409411957 151802 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. That's what the Rosetta Code example for a fib sequence does. Defines its own sub-function and then does a tail call with the new values.
< 1409412022 555367 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting over something myself though, so I was just having trouble getting my brain in gear on how to even adapt it. At one point I even failed to understand the original arguments and called (fibo 4000000) ...
< 1409412057 122814 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo linear algebra
< 1409412062 995018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Perhaps "type system" would have been a better term. But it was something object-oriented, where (approximately; something like this) all "normal" classes inherit from X, which is a subclass of special class Y, which is a subclass of Z, which is again a subclass of X.
< 1409412103 109076 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure it was all subclassing, not instances of?
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< 1409412285 335131 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah. Racket let functions can indeed take arguments.
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< 1409412696 909266 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a bit cleaner one: http://pasterack.org/pastes/87538
< 1409412907 450270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think ruby has some sort of circular foundation like that
< 1409412913 482072 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not literally, but close to
< 1409413037 387537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: now just make 'sum' one more argument.
< 1409413071 793708 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right! Of course. I was trying to figure out where to put that.
< 1409413223 895689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Incidentally, every third Fibonacci number is even (and the rest are odd), and you can iterate through all the even ones reasonably simply.
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< 1409413401 75254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without explicitly computing the odd ones, I mean.)
< 1409413424 740480 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pasterack.org/pastes/76442
< 1409413477 588880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite reasonable. Or you could combine the first two and do (fib-loop y tmp (if (= ...) (+ sum tmp) sum)).
< 1409413681 112623 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Comes out about the same length, but less redundancy in the conditionals.
< 1409413706 187426 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pasterack.org/pastes/91926
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< 1409414341 139158 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about making a primes fingerprint for Funge-98. Should I make that PRIM or PRME?
< 1409414363 705839 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, why does every fingerprint have four letters?
< 1409414757 694323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ruby?
< 1409414762 283681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object and Kernel or whatever
< 1409414799 318342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and ObjectBase or BaseObject or something
< 1409414837 915232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Object is the superclass for most classes, ObjectBase is the superclass of Objects and a superclass of every class, and Kernel is a module mixed into ObjectBase
< 1409414843 110354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there might be a fourth one
< 1409414976 728908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not eevn the strangest part of ruby
< 1409414985 604873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's complicated and I never really bothered to understand all the rules
< 1409415171 509635 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah! This is neat. http://pasterack.org/pastes/4837
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< 1409415606 284303 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tellin ya. [[0 1][1 1]]^1000 * [0 1], done
< 1409416526 638772 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to turn that into a solution for the problem though, I only barely understand how Lazy Racket or that code snippet works.
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< 1409417058 793937 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just a literal translation of the easy definition of the fibonacci numbers. "the fibonacci numbers are 1, 1, and then the sums of each fibonacci number with the next"
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< 1409417113 735838 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys.
< 1409417135 209894 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey.
< 1409417137 678987 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey.
< 1409417233 567901 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I need a job, or something job-like I can put on a resume.
< 1409417278 540415 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mickey d's
< 1409417284 994292 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mathematical talents are pretty nice.
< 1409417289 931459 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an option, yup.
< 1409417327 567080 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But guy-who-is-good-at-math isn't a position that companies seem to be hiring a lot of.
< 1409417405 109058 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's about what I figured. I think maybe a higher-order function might be needed to get specific values out of it, but I'm not sure how you would safely short-circuit it.
< 1409417409 500442 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cept, I dunno, IBM?
< 1409417433 639331 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: so you don't just need a value? i forget how this euler problem goes
< 1409417442 910573 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a sum of even entries or some shit
< 1409417455 335576 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sum of all even values of the sequence under 4 million.
< 1409417621 418526 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let ([sum 0] [switch #t]) (let/cc escape (map (lambda (x) (unless (< x 4e6) (escape sum)) (when switch (set! sum (+ sum x))) (set! switch (not switch))) fib)))
< 1409417624 973342 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. i do not know racket
< 1409417635 636918 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is slow as fuck, but you knew that
< 1409417670 678765 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: be a quant clearly
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< 1409417718 895222 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think the trouble is it's Lazy Racket, which has a more limited set of functions. It can call standard Racket functions, but it won't necessarily work (for instance, you can't call for/sum on the list, because it's not a list per se, it's a 'promise' of a list)
< 1409417751 754144 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no overloading? boo.
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< 1409418505 453217 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can force a list with (!!) but I'm not sure if that would be correct here.
< 1409418642 38401 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that just makes an infinite loop, obc.
< 1409419942 493707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in sum . filter even . takeWhile (<4000000) $ fibs  -- obligatory "fibs" thing
< 1409419943 776683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4613732
< 1409420123 103507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let evenFibs = 0:2:zipWith (+) evenFibs ((4*) <$> tail evenFibs) in sum . takeWhile (<4000000) $ evenFibs  -- or with math(tm)
< 1409420124 639370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4613732
< 1409420197 643150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on F_{3n} = 4*F_{3(n-1)} + F_{3(n-2)}, OEIS A014445.
< 1409420777 628964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40363&oldid=40360 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1531) 10/* Command reference */ new section
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< 1409420806 816252 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT!
< 1409420818 192024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40364&oldid=40363 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+7) 10/* Number from 0 to 9 */ renamed
< 1409420828 935696 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in findIndex (>4000000) fibs
< 1409420830 277372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 33
< 1409420889 744017 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in (fibs !! 34) - 1 -- lessee
< 1409420891 15794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9227464
< 1409420897 560374 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in (fibs !! 33) - 1
< 1409420898 858382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5702886
< 1409420904 76091 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in (fibs !! 33)
< 1409420905 326403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5702887
< 1409420908 949555 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat.
< 1409420913 769500 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in (fibs !! 32)
< 1409420915 309328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3524578
< 1409420963 32497 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 0:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in (fibs !! 32)
< 1409420964 466154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2178309
< 1409420967 328580 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 0:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in (fibs !! 33)
< 1409420968 736192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3524578
< 1409420971 323542 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 0:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in (fibs !! 34)
< 1409420972 780193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5702887
< 1409420978 530286 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh.
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< 1409421983 765657 :Sasmit!~chatzilla@122.167.177.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1409422611 467418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40365&oldid=40364 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1431) 10/* Method reference */ new section
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< 1409424075 228810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Infobox proglang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40366&oldid=40084 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+100) 10influenced
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< 1409424286 623549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40368&oldid=40211 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+95) 10fortob
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< 1409425175 569126 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :let fibs = 0 :: 1 :: [| fibs + tail fibs |]
< 1409425175 808260 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:26:When elaborating an application of function 09Prelude.Applicative.<$>:
< 1409425175 963575 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        No such variable fibs
< 1409425188 364519 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :let fibs : Stream Nat; fibs = 0 :: 1 :: [| fibs + tail fibs |]
< 1409425188 523273 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined
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< 1409435176 259218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's curious, I took a photo of a flower (or a piece of vegetation, anyway) and somehow it turned out to look a lot like some stock desktop background image, except for the vertical aspect ratio: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140830-bg.jpg
< 1409435203 863617 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409435214 719149 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone background, duh
< 1409435268 928304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone is more or less landscape-only, so I didn't even think of that.
< 1409435424 330730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1409436262 923924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo_ <Sgeo_> Would I be wrong in suspecting it's the traversal that forces the Traversable to be a specific instance? <-- it is type inference, it can be forced from whatever needs it to be a specific type, or it can sometimes be unambiguous in which case you may need type annotation.
< 1409436263 116743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1409436308 44408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: being /unambiguous/ means you need the annotation?
< 1409436313 844290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1409436321 845583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo_ *ambiguous
< 1409436322 984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1409436333 36115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least idris-bot stopped outputting several lines of errors if you asked it what 6 was
< 1409436337 877380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of all the possible 6s you could mean
< 1409436341 599096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefies
< 1409436344 304067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1409436344 459482 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1409436346 558436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 6
< 1409436346 713875 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :046 : 12Integer
< 1409436356 352048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it just picks an appropriate type
< 1409436366 346525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 6
< 1409436368 72314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a
< 1409436387 511224 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m pretty sure it’s had Num defaulting all the time.
< 1409436406 981180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well haskell has a defaulting rule (default (Integer, Double)), presumably idris has something similar
< 1409436525 955884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( +
< 1409436526 152383 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: no implicit
< 1409436526 152554 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    arguments allowed
< 1409436526 152648 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    here, expected: ":",
< 1409436526 152779 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    dependent type signature,
< 1409436526 152878 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    end of input14↵…
< 1409436529 801179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (+)
< 1409436529 956507 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer:
< 1409436529 956751 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Can't disambiguate name: 09Prelude.Classes.+, 09Prelude.Fin.+
< 1409436536 995038 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional literals aren’t overloaded yet, so the only default is Integer.
< 1409436550 742541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it that produced the huge lists of ambiguity?
< 1409436564 128663 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :List syntax?
< 1409436575 347218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( []
< 1409436575 540434 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer:
< 1409436575 540589 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Can't disambiguate name: 04Effects.Env.Nil, 04Data.HVect.Nil, 04Prelude.List.Nil, 04Data.Vect.Quantifiers.Nil, 04Prelude.Vect.Nil
< 1409436593 45002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that isn't that bad nowadays
< 1409436595 470547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [6]
< 1409436595 626357 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer:
< 1409436595 626541 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Can't disambiguate name: 04Effects.Env.::, 04Data.HVect.::, 04Prelude.List.::, 04Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, 04Prelude.Stream.::, 04Prelude.Vect.::
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< 1409436967 993150 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but a pure profunctor lens cannot specify which incoming profunctor it's being given, that's forced upon it
< 1409436980 652541 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc
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< 1409437119 220045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, but you were asking about Traversable and traversal
< 1409437148 871752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that traverse is a traversal which is entirely polymorphic in its Traversable, so if you use that the information _cannot_ be coming from it
< 1409437190 337046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still one of the most useful ones
< 1409437210 979275 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can I write traversals which are specialized for a specific traversable? What traversal gets used for both?
< 1409437212 233205 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both
< 1409437214 1941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Bitraversable.Bitraversable r, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> r a a -> f (r b b)
< 1409437236 777806 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toListOf both (1,2)
< 1409437237 918601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => [a]
< 1409437240 621363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"traversals" don't need to have any Traversable involved at all, they're a generalization of Traversables
< 1409437262 860289 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toListOf both (1,'a')
< 1409437263 814793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    No instance for (Num Char) arising from the literal ‘1’
< 1409437264 1256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: 1
< 1409437264 1466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of ‘toListOf’, namely ‘(1, 'a')’
< 1409437275 126291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even doing Sgeo_
< 1409437318 46110 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to figure out how to get traversals into my mental model of how to do this stuff using pure profunctors in a dynamically typed language
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< 1409437456 448372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most common Bitraversable instance would be (,), presumably.
< 1409437554 958778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t traverseOf
< 1409437556 127884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over p f s t a b -> p a (f b) -> s -> f t
< 1409437607 237099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well as if i have any idea
< 1409437629 596189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverseOf = id hth
< 1409437686 779217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote unsafeCoerce
< 1409437686 972773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin says: holy shit, I'm unsafeCoerce
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< 1409437725 747163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote unsafeCoerce
< 1409437725 902644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e says: What, unsafeCoerce# is kind-preserving? how boring :/
< 1409437729 697466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1409437753 526341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many languages /don't/ have an unsafeCoerce equivalent?
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< 1409437806 161886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of all these languages, the only ones I feel should be allowed to get away with it are C, C++, and Rust, incidentally; C and Rust because reinterpreting sections of random memory is actually something the languages need to be able to do for their intended purpose, and C++ because it wants to be compatible with C)
< 1409437809 709630 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you're willing to consider equivalence, i say
< 1409437835 120186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about prolog? (I don't know)
< 1409437851 691993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why is it justified for Rust and not (directly) for C++?
< 1409437903 968458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because the set of common uses for C++ is different from the set of common uses for C
< 1409437910 648936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The question is open to interpretation. Does any language with a C FFI have an equivalent of unsafeCoerce in your view?
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< 1409437931 794842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Prolog isn't typed; the closest thing it has to unsafeCoerce is =.., which is awesome
< 1409437941 877842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined as [a,b,c] =.. a(b,c)
< 1409437943 928507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way round
< 1409437958 814898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that anything expressible in Prolog can be converted to lists of atoms
< 1409437977 125291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there are other ways to convert atoms to and from lists)
< 1409437994 466093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not technically the same as reinterpreting memory, but it does have a way to cast anything to anything else
< 1409438002 472806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I might have got the arguments to =.. backwards)
< 1409438020 284568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a single level expression-to-sexpression operator.
< 1409438042 172256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and vice versa, I supppose, this being prolog)
< 1409438062 435489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1409438095 398159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing a Prolog-to-C FFI where you had to define a different C function for each possible combination of inputs and outputs the function accepted
< 1409438113 868893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but I asked about Rust.
< 1409438160 256141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in Rust, you can only use it inside unsafe{} blocks, whose purpose is to do low-level bit twiddling
< 1409438166 292292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw that quote predates datakinds by several years.
< 1409438175 14047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, they often get the memory from elsewhere, where it's a u8* (that is, unsafe pointer to byte)
< 1409438185 34470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in haskell the accepted use of unsafeCoerce is when _you_ know the values _are_ the same type, but you don't have a way to get the type system to realize it.
< 1409438190 760020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being able to transmute that is very helpful if the actual type of the data is wrong
< 1409438225 175617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that seems like an unsafe operation even if you know it's safe, because if the compiler thinks the two expressions have different types, it might represent them differently in memory
< 1409438306 349442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can only use unsafeCoerce on boxed types, which are essentially pointers.
< 1409438337 908024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: represent the things they point to differently in memory, then
< 1409438381 464321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my favourite use is for reifying single-method class dictionaries, converting between Foo a => b and Foo_method_type a -> b, where Foo is a single method class. That's completely implementation-dependent, of course.
< 1409438447 434546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the Any type exists for that purpose, as a type that's guaranteed not to do anything unsafe with the pointer it contains.
< 1409438462 990543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it basically just copies the pointer around?
< 1409438480 430517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, what if whatever it's pointing to gets deallocated? or do all types have identical GC properties?
< 1409438489 992151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the conversion between newtype and its base type, but the representation aware "coerce" should mostly take over there.
< 1409438510 184405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all types have a representation that includes enough information for the GC
< 1409438516 903485 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: tswett
< 1409438529 935781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for ghc of course.
< 1409438530 91011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and that representation is stored in memory, rather than just being a property of the type?
< 1409438556 825880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the built-in types with # don't do any garbage collection, but they have a different kind anyways
< 1409438558 272690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm reasonably annoyed with OCaml because I've actually had to start using :>
< 1409438577 751132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically a hint to the type-checker that tells it where to convert something from one type to another
< 1409438610 53660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can use :> to cast something from [`Foo | `Bar] to [`Foo | `Bar | `Baz], which is obviously a safe conversion, and something that the type checker can sometimes figure out itself but can't always
< 1409438620 463325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, see https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/Rts/Storage/HeapObjects#HeapObjects
< 1409438640 341782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course unsafeCoerce can be useful when the way the types are used cannot be expressed
< 1409438649 784936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: beware, there are too many # things, some of those are garbage collected
< 1409438658 338733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of OCaml, which basically reserves one bit of every word to mean "this is a pointer"
< 1409438664 590176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the GC doesn't need to know anything about the type system to work
< 1409438688 519367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how it handles unboxed floats and the like, which might potentially have the bit set incorrectly
< 1409438688 852943 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrsapbdfodtthygi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409438760 508016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can unsafe{} blocks be useful for optimization too rather than only to indicate that it is using low-level bit twiddling?
< 1409438779 781135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they often come with another interesting assumption though: for example, an Array# value is never an indirection.
< 1409438804 636062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor a thunk)
< 1409438814 489376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, normally in situations where you know an optimization is safe but the compiler doesn't
< 1409438986 2465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ocaml floats are all boxed I think
< 1409439091 105340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there has to be a box /somewhere/, but you can form unboxed arrays of floats which just store them all consecutively
< 1409439107 380006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the GC must treat arrays differently
< 1409439111 508335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else would it know when to stop scanning?
< 1409439119 904373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I think you might only be able to manipulate it through accessor functions which presumably have special GC propreties
< 1409439124 687213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there has to be a special case there
< 1409439220 389288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also what i'm saying applies to ghc.  the unsafeCoerce documentation has a note that "•In nhc98, the only representation-safe coercions are between Enum types with the same range (e.g. Int, Int32, Char, Word32), or between a newtype and the type that it wraps."
< 1409439243 71418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably that compiler _does_ use varying representations.
< 1409439312 908166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suppose even there it would be safe to convert from a type to itself even if the compiler doesn't know at that point they're identical
< 1409439508 358888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it relatively hard to imagine a type system in which two types can be identical without looking identical
< 1409439530 622980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the situation where you have a function along the lines of a -> b -> a except you know that b always has the same type as a in practice?
< 1409439545 266233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah things like that.
< 1409439555 224086 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \n => Vect (n + 0) Integer
< 1409439555 379486 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13n => 12Vect (09plus 13n 040) 12Integer : 12Nat -> 12Type
< 1409439572 921334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/ghc-prim-0.3.1.0/GHC-Prim.html#v:unsafeCoerce-35-
< 1409439581 425839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: \ => is a lambda?
< 1409439588 746896 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1409439664 962732 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Vect (n + 0) a) doesn’t unify with (Vect n a) even though it is the same type. In this case however one can prove they are the same and use the proof to convert them.
< 1409439692 360729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: but you're using dependent typing, where determining whether two types are the same is uncomputable
< 1409439707 108267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, even in much simpler languages, it can be difficult
< 1409439729 18329 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it’s “a type system in which two types can be identical without looking identical”, as you said.
< 1409439731 80295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a trick question: in an Algol-like language, are (a, b) -> c and a -> (b -> c) the same type?
< 1409439743 175208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: dependent typing is cheating for type system questions :-)
< 1409439761 238567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason it's a trick question is that you can write several chapters on the subject; it's a major part of my PHD thesis)
< 1409439781 917431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409439788 268219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the main reason is because I used the syntax "(a, b)" without defining it, and there are at least two reasonable definitions)
< 1409440047 52931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one use of unsafeCoerce i remember is when elliott hacked together (on my suggestion, but i did _not_ suggest he implement it that way) a combination of Data.Sequence (essentially, finger tree based deques) with Data.Thrist (a form of list where the elements are _not_ the same type, but each is connected to the next like category composition)
< 1409440101 495941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he simply took the original Data.Sequence implementation and sprinkled it with unsafeCoerce in the right places so that he could use Any as the underlying type and just convert back and forth.
< 1409440111 309476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of http://homepages.cwi.nl/~ploeg/papers/zseq.pdf
< 1409440116 138799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i haven't actually read yet
< 1409440149 59331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _could_ obviously implement that structure without unsafeCoerce, but it would have required defining entirely new data types and changing all of Data.Sequence to use them.
< 1409440242 851816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, he did not sprinkle unsafeCoerce _in_ the Data.Sequence implementation
< 1409440257 789759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made a thin wrapper around it with such sprinkling.
< 1409440278 57164 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why is it called Thrist? It seems to be the reflexive-transitive closure operator.
< 1409440288 357923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: threaded list, i assume
< 1409440311 124727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be the free category on a graph
< 1409440369 647486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it would have been called FreeSomething if invented these days.
< 1409440370 393916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflexive-transitive is the sort of thing i'd associate with relations, but you can have distinct values :: K A B
< 1409440378 778418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :free hugs
< 1409440519 801781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thrist is to category as list is to monoid.
< 1409440652 110194 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :CarrotveePomm
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< 1409440737 216923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sort of
< 1409440770 814373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thrist isn't a free category on/over (what's the word?) a set
< 1409440779 822943 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Category looks exactly like a Preorder on Type.
< 1409440981 126668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a preorder is the same as a skeleton category iirc
< 1409440990 226857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1409441007 276050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a skeleton makes a preorder into a partial order
< 1409441010 71174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing terms here
< 1409441039 700993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a preorder is a category with at most one arrow : A -> B for each A and B
< 1409441231 436759 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you actually restrict that?
< 1409441234 138438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, that's sort-of twisting the definition of category to some extent
< 1409441246 292566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the category axioms basically just give you reflexivity and transitivity there
< 1409441293 109102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean?
< 1409441303 430323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well the idea of a category is that it's very general
< 1409441313 310966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you can fit a preorder into the categorical framework
< 1409441320 692833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because you can fit almost /anything/ into a categorical framework
< 1409441339 996168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was responding to 16:23 <oerjan> a preorder is the same as a skeleton category iirc
< 1409441360 636706 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set is a category with only identity morphisms
< 1409441361 914292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1409441370 272355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that's not really true
< 1409441379 575974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a monoid is a category with one object
< 1409441383 281021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1409441386 348666 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1409441389 409644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was responding (wrongly) to Melvar 
< 1409441389 711079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't that many algebraic structures that can be expressed directly as a category like that
< 1409441405 647718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a category is in a useful/interesting way a generalization of a monoid and of a preorder
< 1409441406 276768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: something that is both a monoid and a set has one element, with no useful operations
< 1409441421 424477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of a set, because preorders are sets)
< 1409441458 643059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what I do at work, the main categorical structures I care about are those where objects can be interpreted as types, and morphisms as functions
< 1409441460 221028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a category isn't a generalization of a ring or what-have-you
< 1409441481 450955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know I've had to convert semirings to categories at my job
< 1409441486 808426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well that's the usual Hask category
< 1409441488 655996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still work fine as categories, you just need side conditions
< 1409441494 914305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it describes a large range of categories
< 1409441495 950267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can talk about a category *of* rings or whatever structures you have but that's not the same thing
< 1409441506 83358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the subset of categories that work vaguely like type systems is pretty large and useful
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< 1409442298 379270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This quotation was found on Lambda the Ultimate: "Seriously now, I don't think such bloated languages are needed. What is needed is a programming language that is assembly, has nice S-expression syntax, and can also be 'executed' in compile-time. Then all other constructs can be made with this basic mechanism."
< 1409442314 948948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think, being 'executed' in compile-time is one of the main features of Forth.
< 1409442332 614113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also one of the main features of Perl
< 1409442352 930794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Perl is unusual in that it switches between compiling and running frequently, on the fly
< 1409442380 651517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the syntax BEGIN { ... } which tells the compiler to, as soon as it finishes compiling the inside of the BEGIN block, to run it
< 1409442383 399822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it goes back to compiling
< 1409442394 873317 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: forth with quotation, maybe
< 1409442395 400049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eval allows you to invoke the compiler at runtime
< 1409442398 900442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what it does?
< 1409442412 971558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: What is Forth with quotation?
< 1409442416 336164 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :common lisp has something like begin, with the notoriously bizarre eval-when operator
< 1409442432 351237 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the assembly with "nice" syntax bla bla bla
< 1409442458 295416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, this means that a begin block can control the way that subsequent code is compiled, for instance
< 1409442556 463714 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In idris, evaluation is needed for typechecking, and providers allow you to execute IO actions whose results can be used in typechecking.
< 1409442636 539576 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a lisp implementation i should finish that will ideally allow a slightly more usable version of sbcl's "define compiler intrinsics at runtime" stuff, but, dumb
< 1409442648 639923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: O, I didn't know it is possible to tamper with the typechecking in idris, but I suppose yes it can help
< 1409442702 350887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: given that you didn't know what BEGIN does, I should probably explain "use", too; "use Foo::Bar;" is basically a synonym for "begin { require "Foo/Bar.pm"; Foo::Bar->import() } " except that IIRC it's a little cleverer about locating the file to import
< 1409442723 776082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of thing explains how syntax like "use constant" works, and why it starts with use
< 1409442733 248959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a file constant.pm which injects constants into your namespace when you import it
< 1409442735 244389 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haa, it really is like CL, that's hilarious
< 1409442767 792767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in general, the "import" function's purpose is to inject stuff into its caller's namespace)
< 1409442823 953500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let me note that ruby specifically does not have this kind of escape from compile time to runtime, the BEGIN keyword in ruby runs a block early at runtime like perl's UNITCHECK, though of course ruby has an eval function to compile stuff at runtime
< 1409442861 713106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as for a different note, I borrowed this classic book Aho, Ullman, "The Theory of Parsing, Translation and Compiling" (1972) which does seem like the book about formal languages I wanted
< 1409442871 600063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, what shocked me more was discovering what syntax like "\ 4" does (that means "a reference to 4", sort-of like writing &4 in C)
< 1409442889 800184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reference is actually to the 4 in the parse tree of the compiled code
< 1409442890 904059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I have seen of Perl programs, it also requires that the included file returns 1 at the end.
< 1409442904 720953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a read-only reference, so the fact doesn't matter, but I still think it's ridiculous
< 1409442924 195552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it is. perl is full of crazy historical cruft like that that can't be changed now
< 1409442924 350872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "require" errors out if the required file doesn't evaluate to a truthy value
< 1409442935 764832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any truthy value can be used, but 1 is traditional
< 1409442967 132286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, it's useful syntax, and thinking about it, there's no particular reason /not/ to do it like that
< 1409442978 953469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a read-only copy of 4 to take a reference to
< 1409442981 641618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and look, you have one already
< 1409443012 195712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is that so that you can make the program to check if it is unusable and to have other files to read the return value to see if it is OK before continuing?
< 1409443012 368045 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reference is actually to the 4 in the parse tree of the compiled code <- man that's almost as good as the regex introspect thing
< 1409443034 53573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it's so that you have a way to signal that something went wrong
< 1409443037 444999 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, can you do &4 in C
< 1409443040 224333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1409443044 139740 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok.
< 1409443058 27846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor in C++ (just learned that one today)
< 1409443070 870678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, in modern C, you can take pointers to struct literals
< 1409443075 327135 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday i learned that you can declare variables in if expressions in C++. i don't get C++'s deal
< 1409443075 482817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&(struct foo){1, 2}
< 1409443090 825969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: huh, wonder if that works in C
< 1409443100 389379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple of points in NetHack where that actually seems useful
< 1409443100 702652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it does these days in C99 or C11, yes
< 1409443101 411859 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so and hope not
< 1409443115 375939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's quite useful for for statements especially,
< 1409443120 640214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess you only get the one assignment
< 1409443123 434487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: obviously it's useful for for
< 1409443127 280037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the syntax is just a limited shortcut
< 1409443128 151413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1409443130 312902 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't even like doing it in for.

< 1409443143 541629 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the scope is to the rest of the if statement, you can reassign it
< 1409443155 716244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: oh right, for some reason I thought it'd only be for the conditional
< 1409443157 409507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: it's nice to stop iteration variables leaking up to the scope of the caller
< 1409443163 972297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, scope of the function
< 1409443172 263969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes do it in perl
< 1409443180 537170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NetHack's full of stuff like if (((x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL)) && x->foo())
< 1409443186 347593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, remove the parens
< 1409443191 124155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (((x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL)) && x->foo)
< 1409443197 52978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (((x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL())) && x->foo)
< 1409443199 529248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it eventually
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< 1409443221 315020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if you could write that as "if (((int x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL())) && x->foo)" because x isn't used elsewhere
< 1409443223 509285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well yeah, nethack is written in ancient C originally, the kind where you had to declare all variables at the beginning of blocks, you couldn't even mix declaratios with statements without adding braces
< 1409443225 701251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not int
< 1409443226 88002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why (( ))?
< 1409443231 974100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if you could write that as "if (((struct bar x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL())) && x->foo)" because x isn't used elsewhere
< 1409443238 875369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know in BASIC it will automatically make a pointer to a constant or expression result if you pass such a thing to a subroutine with the parameter declared by references.
< 1409443246 603744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if (({ struct bar x = blah(); x && x->foo })))
< 1409443250 219558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's a common C idiom to say "yes I meant to write = not == even though this looks like a conditional"
< 1409443254 568392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/x/*x/
< 1409443262 958839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most compilers understand it nowadays, and the code is still correct even in compilers that don't
< 1409443273 542280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for humans reading the code, too
< 1409443373 367931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people reflex-correct if (x = y) to if (x == y); people are unlikely to make the same change to if ((x = y))
< 1409443391 56312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. ok. gcc usually seems to be happy with just one pair of parentheses.
< 1409443403 459823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it varies between compiler
< 1409443413 76027 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think with -Wall gcc suggests adding the parens, actually
< 1409443414 45722 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1409443416 160035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ((x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL()) && x->foo)
< 1409443420 657725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the double pair because it's more informative for humans
< 1409443421 632174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see.
< 1409443455 560340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... disagree
< 1409443460 644752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for triple!
< 1409443464 496337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being satisfied with just a single pair of parentheses is a bit odd, admittedly, given the precedences of =, == and &&)
< 1409443482 768111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so long as you don't use four
< 1409443490 189022 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four's a good number tho
< 1409443503 350428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: Radixal!!!! begs to differ with you
< 1409443514 328193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we put four exclamation marks in the name of that language just because it was the smallest number we couldn't otherwise justify
< 1409443522 177041 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :radixal!!!! can fuck itself if it's not down with the four
< 1409443543 776162 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Four
< 1409443556 220134 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto china
< 1409443607 544204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice way of offending almost 20% of the world's population.
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< 1409444215 972945 :Uomoletale!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
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< 1409444930 621890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily_ 
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< 1409445274 347658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Forth-based compiler could have an intermediate code which is tha used in the Forth system, and using the executable intermediate code, once it is finished it analyze it to generate the target code.
< 1409445600 415713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If not "int x", certainly not "struct bar x" either; it's no more pointery or applicable to ->.
< 1409445615 219982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes
< 1409445617 804463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct bar *x?
< 1409445633 68910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when you try to write examples without an actual program in mind and without a typechecker to help you
< 1409445796 477279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: compound literals are lvalues, so you can write  (int){ 1 } = 2;  -- not that it's particularly useful.
< 1409445853 836073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you clarify what language dialect you mean for that?
< 1409445879 817495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 at least, but I assume it hasn't changed from C99.
< 1409445912 633731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they're lvalues so you can take pointers to them, presumably
< 1409445921 477853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok
< 1409445948 500935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I assume (int){ 1 } = 2 is legal but has no visible effect? and (volatile int){ 1 } = 2 is forced to write a 2 to a memory location that previously contained a 1, but has no other effect?
< 1409446078 197880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1409446113 846577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another intersting tidbit is that compound literals qualified with const are explicitly allowed to not be distinct.
< 1409446130 76587 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the whole point of const
< 1409446133 528660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION compiles "int main(void) { (volatile int){1} = 2; return 0; }"

< 1409446139 123518 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. part of it
< 1409446140 584963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does indeed pick a memory address, and write 1 and 2 to it
< 1409446143 88434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try with optimization
< 1409446155 812599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it optimized it out entirely
< 1409446157 308237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a bug
< 1409446181 894576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try with a real variable? 
< 1409446191 541214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and are you compiling as C or as C++?
< 1409446195 20540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: C
< 1409446212 206101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, has to be C, that partiular thing you wrote is probably a syntax error in C++
< 1409446228 984207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: with a real variable, it does indeed assign 1 and 2 to a memory address on the stack
< 1409446266 660675 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat NICK :Guest49267
< 1409446269 468722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1409446272 790170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1409446297 856927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask comp.lang.c
< 1409446325 690663 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be a bug? you can't do anything with the literal
< 1409446413 134374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "volatile" means that you have to do all the actual reads and writes to the memory address at some point
< 1409446466 440965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "What constitutes an access to a volatile-qualified object is implementation-specific," so there's an universal cop-out of everything.
< 1409446478 118691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure I believe it means that anymore
< 1409446489 787859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that might have been what it originally meant, used for hardware stuff,
< 1409446490 912314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, yes, but I think it's actually defined by gcc
< 1409446545 757470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think these days volatile just means the effect has to be visible from a signal handler or backwards
< 1409446549 205553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1409446573 889445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, gcc's description is mostly talking about volatile objects not being memory barriers with respect to non-volatile objects
< 1409446579 449510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might inhibit some optimizatios, it probably doesn't inhibit all
< 1409446595 492158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it sort of has to do barrier stuff for the signal handle semantics
< 1409446610 305081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is stupid
< 1409446625 365064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is defining its concept of volatile accesses in terms of what it counts as an access in the C code
< 1409446628 917740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the effect on the underlying memory
< 1409446677 928091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's complicated. I don't pretend to really understand all of this
< 1409446710 508512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, you can prove equal things about the compound literal as you could about a named "volatile int i", so arguably the behavior should be identical too.
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< 1409446870 431325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you sure? 
< 1409446886 583583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, clang does store a 1 and a 2 into memory for that program
< 1409446909 89995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: obviously it's allowed to do that
< 1409446939 884076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1409446942 741718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Reasonably sure. Why would the named object be any different? 
< 1409446943 52896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean, it doesn't optimize it out
< 1409446986 911826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno, I'm not really sure about how C99 compound literals work
< 1409446997 287452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you take their address?
< 1409447000 133104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1409447038 169099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the main reason to use them
< 1409447038 324532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They work almost exactly as if you had a named object (with some arbitrary name) declared in the smallest enclosing scope.
< 1409447057 3704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas they work differently in C++, because destructors and rvalue references screw everything up
< 1409447059 484910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be something related to where the initializer gets evaluated that you couldn't accomplish with a named object.
< 1409447076 661538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc's documentation has an outright note warning people not to create anonymous arrays in C++
< 1409447080 633855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it nearly always doesn't do what you expect
< 1409447234 886941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perhaps a slight shame they didn't provide for a way to declare compound literals with static storage inside functions.
< 1409447269 421432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is, you can't do something like  return (const int[]){ 1, 2, 3, 0 };  from a function returning const int *.
< 1409447289 735142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just declare a named variable for that?
< 1409447313 273307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: static? ugh
< 1409447313 429142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but that's as applicable to compound literals in general.
< 1409447320 131705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should declare storage into the scope that called the function
< 1409447345 280954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if alloca can do that, why can't I?)
< 1409447416 879580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is this too evil? (const int *)"\1\0\0\0\2\0\0\0\3\0\0\0\0\0\0"
< 1409447441 308016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that won't work on many systems
< 1409447442 787960 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main is usually a function
< 1409447458 383310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I /love/ the way you use the implicit \0 at the end of the string as part of an integer
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< 1409447535 946345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, if you want to make it more portable, add some ?: dispatching on endianness and sizeof, pushing all unhandled cases to abort
< 1409447570 555162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1409447581 699795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is not just endianness and size, right? it's alignment
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< 1409447588 550148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also CHAR_BIT
< 1409447599 61653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way you can force the string literal to be aligned to more than a char
< 1409447606 389216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in the particular case of (1, 2, 3)…
< 1409447618 778142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure there is
< 1409447635 928259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fit four or more copies of the array into one string, at different alignments
< 1409447642 188911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, true
< 1409447658 289884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at runtime, you can check the value of the actual pointer, run alignof to figure out what alignment you need, then pick an appropriate copy
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< 1409447669 380952 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the fact that C does not actually place any restrictions on the actual representation of an int.
< 1409447670 792340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can't (reasonably) do arithmetic related to absolute addresses, however.
< 1409447696 696296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can cast to intptr_t; if the type exists, then that cast is normally likely to be sane
< 1409447707 623303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "likely", but not required.
< 1409447708 554968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it does, it requires it to be a whole number of bits
< 1409447714 207519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more than some esolangs manage
< 1409447721 598857 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, right, it does do that.
< 1409447734 200479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also requires it to have at most one sign bit.
< 1409447735 133173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*smirk*
< 1409447735 981455 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some limitations, but very minimal ones.
< 1409447746 951757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, exactly one, if it's signed.
< 1409447757 258934 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not really. It doesn't require signedness to be implemented that way. :)
< 1409447767 604401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes really.
< 1409447770 607504 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have data be represented in different ways at different times? for example, have the data in a register variable look different from that in memory, as long as it converts for you
< 1409447772 911343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I started?
< 1409447773 906758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't C99 require it to be two's-complement, one's-complement, or sign-magnitude?
< 1409447776 901739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes.
< 1409447777 166777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a strong requirement
< 1409447783 888919 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the channel does t his every week anyway
< 1409447785 791827 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 requires arithmetic to behave as such.
< 1409447787 332609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I don't think it requires all the bits to be used
< 1409447790 747294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know
< 1409447793 441672 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not require the *representation* to map to that.
< 1409447796 643672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #esoteric so it's no sin
< 1409447801 824995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "For signed integer types, the bits of the object representation shall be divided into three groups: value bits, padding bits, and the sign bit."
< 1409447809 226744 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... BLAH
< 1409447812 127542 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct.
< 1409447814 877409 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEAKING OF WHICH, LET US DISCUSS THE ACCURACY OF FLOATING POINT IRRATIONAL FUNCTIONS
< 1409447825 582503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's a great quote about that, let me find it
< 1409447844 67590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, yes, I know, that's why I'm saying you need conditionals to check the representation on abi-dependent ways, and abort in all cases you can't handle
< 1409447844 410586 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409447859 874576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trigonometric functions (5200), (5210), and (5220) will return erroneous results when given very large arguments. At magnitudes around 8 million or so, the result is occasionally off by one bit. The errors get progressively worse, so that with magnitudes in the neighborhood of the quintillions and higher, the number is wholly inaccurate. However, at magnitudes around 8 million, there is already a difference of over 20pi between consecutive 
< 1409447861 517942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating-point numbers, so it is hard to conceive of a purpose for which improved accuracy would be useful.
< 1409447929 671040 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Where's that quote from?
< 1409447932 797501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically that paragraph's GPL, so I'd better attribute it: https://gitorious.org/intercal/intercal/source/56c660c5eb21938faea7c3550713c1e0b395e5b9:pit/lib/floatlib.doc)
< 1409447938 369076 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah.
< 1409447945 438302 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful
< 1409447951 498925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a while to find an online link, linking to my hard drive wouldn't help so much
< 1409447963 732965 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How not-IEEE.
< 1409447982 808831 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's IEEE require again
< 1409447986 395633 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, wait, no, I don't think IEEE says much on the trig functions.
< 1409447987 928220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in vaguely IEEE format, but doesn't have infinities or denormalized numbers
< 1409447999 611577 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, no, it does.
< 1409448001 237134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there was a /huge/ row about denormalized numbers back when they were invented
< 1409448009 642435 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Error within 1 ULP on those.
< 1409448034 6749 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum.
< 1409448045 82508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Around 8 million, difference over 20pi between consecutive floats? These are some really sucky floats.
< 1409448048 304572 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On some of the primitives (basic arithmetic, basically) it requires exact results, rounded.
< 1409448048 459887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:20:00] <fizzie> ,cc double d = 8000000, e = nextafter(d, INFINITY); printf("%.10f", e - d);
< 1409448051 593834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:20:01] <candide> fizzie: 0.0000000009 
< 1409448054 96685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:20:03] <fizzie> ,cc float d = 8000000, e = nextafter(d, INFINITY); printf("%.10f", e - d);
< 1409448057 75013 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you seen kahan's papers, they're hilariously ranty
< 1409448057 230296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:20:05] <candide> fizzie: 0.5000000000 
< 1409448057 385667 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Single precision?
< 1409448059 378953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there still is. it's not settled.
< 1409448071 154209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's still just 0.5 for IEEE 32-bit binary.
< 1409448093 269538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "million" may well be a typo, come to think of it
< 1409448118 257715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Huh, that should've been nextafterf. I wonder how it worked.)
< 1409448130 388344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c float d = 8000000000.f, e = nextafterf(d, INFINITY); printf("%.10f", e-d);
< 1409448134 354673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is nextafter in tgmath?
< 1409448141 135165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one way it theoretically could work
< 1409448159 155762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably C++
< 1409448163 199281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1409448164 52929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1409448166 551054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, but I don't think it's in the standard includes.
< 1409448182 826865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is. It's C11 by default, at least.
< 1409448210 959731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it includes both <math.h> and <tgmath.h>.
< 1409448235 335453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fun fact about IEEE representation: not counting the boundary conditions, nextafter(f, INFINITY) = *(float *)&(int){ *(int *)&f + 1 }
< 1409448253 968191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any int and float with the same size as each other
< 1409448279 955314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the same endianness.
< 1409448294 581774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes
< 1409448309 222067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a platform with different endianness on int and float would be insane, but IIRC they exist
< 1409448336 20174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it seems the C++ standard has nextafter, so it would use the float version in C++ too
< 1409448336 482697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't give an example offhand, but I think there were some.
< 1409448364 932329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's completely softfloat, the choice is quite arbitrary, that might be one way to get there.
< 1409448389 780479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, EgoBot isn't here
< 1409448390 250974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not entirely arbitrary, I'm sure it's easier if you don't need to byteswap after extracting the components.
< 1409448392 305681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder it ignored the !c
< 1409448406 735166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wouldn't you need a std::?
< 1409448438 815502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my brain's saying "platform with different byte size between int and float"
< 1409448442 328576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure C doesn't allow that
< 1409448466 928446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: normally yes, but maybe not if you #include <math.h>, and definitely not in some of the irc bots
< 1409448486 35849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You could "emulate" it by adding suitable padding bits, however.
< 1409448500 671805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you do a C-style #include in C++ (i.e. #include <math.h> not #include <cmath>), you get all the symbols in it imported
< 1409448513 295032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably for C and old-C++ compatibility
< 1409448625 472193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think even padding bits are not allowed to change if you access the object representation via char * (and don't do anything to the object between), so you couldn't just not store them for objects of type int.
< 1409448629 922029 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409448670 92271 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Old ARM ABI had different endianness for double and long long, if that counts. :)
< 1409448693 535839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: was one of them middle-endian?
< 1409448711 96456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean mixed endian?
< 1409448712 755963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they'd have to be, or else float and int would also have to be different (I'm pretty sure ARM doesn't have 32-bit chars)
< 1409448728 664950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: middle-endian is when the byte order is something like 2143 rather than 1234 or 4321
< 1409448734 637246 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. But it was damned friggin' weird.
< 1409448748 16712 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The byte order IIRC was something like 43218765
< 1409448774 311041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's middle-endian too
< 1409448789 517831 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409448795 312586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I thoguht that's called mixed endian
< 1409448825 839636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia recognizes "mixed-endian" as synonym for "middle-endian".
< 1409448875 158638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a bi-endian chip with a hardware floating point, does the endianness toggle generally affect floats too? 
< 1409449005 728626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you'll have to ask the particular hardware. 
< 1409449017 934543 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno about "in general", but I'm quite certain it does on PowerPC.
< 1409449033 1617 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The endian toggle was done on the data bus there.
< 1409449143 165282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1409449151 137328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the data bus?
< 1409449156 139416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense to me
< 1409449170 134693 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't work well. :)
< 1409449215 534076 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sorry, misremembered.
< 1409449287 73777 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did a xor on the address's three lower bits, which required the motherboard to *also* do a byte swap when talking to hardware.
< 1409449325 475168 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... flipping weird.
< 1409449516 131183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1409449805 554425 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
< 1409449841 217701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lolol"
< 1409449845 4401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: forall a. [[[a]]]
< 1409449926 348436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: those pages keep getting created and deleted
< 1409449964 302315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one seems to have survived three AfDs
< 1409450044 377691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a totally random note, should not the article be a member of itself? It doesn't distinguish that it must be a list of lists of non-lists. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 00:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
< 1409450104 139772 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1409450128 693260 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very tempted to put a "See also" link on "Russel's Paradox" to the edit where that comment was added
< 1409450140 124979 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409450173 538334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't, [[WP:SELFREF]]
< 1409450209 2205 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409450219 133246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, srlink still exists
< 1409450221 350170 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1409450239 245480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I'm unexpectedly happy about discovering that the bits of Wikipedia's architecture I'm responsible for still exist
< 1409450305 25432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that feeling :)
< 1409450307 734691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can't you work that around by saying something like [[w:List of Lists of Lists|List of Lists of Lists]] or possibly some more complicated interwiki link?
< 1409450337 510924 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409450345 267464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not a technical restriction; I invented srlink to solve the technical problems
< 1409450355 827240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a policy restriction
< 1409450361 433310 :boily__!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409450365 764649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stuff that happens on Wikipedia" is not normally what an article is about
< 1409450378 889195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh
< 1409450385 632870 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The goal is that if you link "Wikipedia" from an article about Wikipedia, it should go to Wikipedia, even on a mirror
< 1409450397 452176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but isn't List of Lists of Lists already mostly about lists in wikipedia?
< 1409450420 900661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's a navigation page
< 1409450429 674354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you have to imagine a Wikipedia fork
< 1409450436 74400 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1409450438 595366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should the reference go to "this site", or "Wikipedia"
< 1409450443 769861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's the latter, you use {{srlink}}
< 1409450471 661655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, whatever, it's way too late I should go to bed 
< 1409450474 220517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gbye
< 1409450493 36166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, looks like my AfD system is still in place, too; quite surprising for something so major
< 1409450500 98481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, I didn't design what the system does, just implemented it
< 1409450540 269749 :boily_!~alexandre@64.56.251.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409450606 661768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:AfD_debates_%28Indiscernible_or_unclassifiable_topic%29 is often hilarious reading, although it's not so great right now
< 1409450677 882594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what WT:RFA is like nowadays
< 1409450693 770551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT that page has just had one discussion, which has probably lasted over a decade by now
< 1409451559 673776 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still sad that BJAODN is gone

< 1409451575 58209 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1409451575 507823 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Best_of_BJAODN
< 1409451775 559374 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this still part of Wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Water_on_mars.jpg
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< 1409451895 754847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a collection of the best jokes and nonsense from Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense. The criterion for a joke getting on this page is simple: at least one Wikipedian found it funny."
< 1409451929 351008 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Because *any* community will eventually develop its own injokes and humour
< 1409451941 46531 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia just shoves them off to the WP: namespace where they won't hurt anyone
< 1409451972 636279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shocking how many things were moved to BJAODN with /nobody at all/ being amused by them
< 1409451978 590355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because people thought that's where they belonged
< 1409452008 588496 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.wiki/Emu
< 1409452020 127037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hahahaha
< 1409452072 959160 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409452119 619990 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, .wiki is a thing
< 1409452130 458347 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Two Wiki rule will need updating
< 1409452139 746906 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two Wiki rule?
< 1409452158 277035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every subject has exactly two wikis, one on a major site like Wikia, one independent
< 1409452162 373285 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1409452189 280145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, wikia
< 1409452205 798457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scow of wiki websites
< 1409452207 511685 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409452248 43948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the Two Wiki rule can be explained by people forking the Wikia wiki once it gets at all popular
< 1409452259 627461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1409452268 529258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :google still finds nethack.wikia.com results and it's very irritating
< 1409452279 545593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i delete two characters to get to the good wiki. this is probably a common experience
< 1409452279 874747 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still update nethack.wikia.com
< 1409452308 944090 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, Creatures wiki forked away recently
< 1409452318 59648 :boily__!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quinthellopia. will quinthelloïfy you again tomorrow. I need sleep. goodnight!
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< 1409453349 508286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a copy of the Water on Mars picture anyways, so even if it is deleted, I have a copy
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< 1409453771 908176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If endianness of CPU can be selected at runtime then it could probably be useful for making a bi-endian Z-machine implementation. Doing this probably is not particularly useful though; no existing story file is small-endian, no existing interpreter is small-endian, no existing compiler is small-endian, and this feature was removed since EZIP.
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< 1409453836 408267 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... bi-endian Z-machine?
< 1409453839 152404 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeep.
< 1409453910 849203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-machine is normally only big-endian. However, ZIP (but not EZIP and newer) has a header bit to specify small-endian. This was never used, and as far as I know Aimfiz (my own implementation) is the only implementation that even checks this (although it will display an error message if it is found to be small-endian).
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< 1409455479 39749 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existence of the Finnish language
< 1409456294 83124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting pretty good at locating minibrots
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< 1409459705 357324 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an informal way to translate from van Laarhoven lenses to pure profunctor lenses, conceptually? I think I understand van Laarhoven optics a bit better
< 1409459790 523696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only pure profunctor lenses had gotten named after me...
< 1409459999 224554 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of funny hearing about things named after twan
< 1409460011 430911 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I know him from an entirely different context
< 1409460047 97320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then they would've been kicking ass
< 1409460078 567808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing the oerjanpun here
< 1409460085 277008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1409460110 21861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reading it aloud, perhaps in an outrageous accent.
< 1409460131 592581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1409460134 653787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a stretch hth
< 1409460139 344545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1409460422 200489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i been kicking a stab
< 1409460634 802157 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what a papentnesis is?
< 1409460653 861905 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the word in a chinglish instruction set and have not been able to decode it
< 1409460671 204271 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...a parenthesis?
< 1409460679 143673 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be an OCR error
< 1409460715 878412 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense in context
< 1409460736 304228 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least... hmm
< 1409460745 158968 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to double-check it again, maybe it does
< 1409460811 760030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidinese
< 1409460845 425241 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was in the same sentence as "is the romanized", so maybe it was trying to explain the use of roman/chinese characters with one in parentheses
< 1409460927 207095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :paрentнesis
< 1409461548 506147 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papen thesis
< 1409461863 317282 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can learn COBOL, or at least vaguely understand it, why shouldn't I do the same with MUMPS?
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< 1409462664 34464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: was this in an advertisement for pectopahs?
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< 1409465110 843272 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nethack4 reasonably playable on server?
< 1409465121 126798 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do I need to be scared of bugs?
< 1409465225 739604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grid bug bites! You get zapped!
< 1409465450 437827 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to (S)ave to stop viewing a game?
< 1409467449 871232 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it's reasonably playable, there are still potentially some bad bugs but nothing's likely to ruin your game
< 1409467456 541806 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you press S to stop interacting with a game
< 1409467532 469985 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, we have a policy of rewinding a save file if you die due to a bug, but haven't had to use it for ages
< 1409467536 100918 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug in the code, that is
< 1409467725 814663 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the watch interface could do with improvement
< 1409467740 175352 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem with how things work at the moment, is that the game saves continuously, so S actually quits
< 1409467769 729395 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it naturally ended up quitting the other followmodes (watch, replay) too, and there was no need to reimplement separate code for quitting those
< 1409467795 359024 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, S is implemented as breaking the connection to the game, because the game saves continuously and so there's no need for a separate saving step)
< 1409468040 522381 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No bugs likely to ruin the server if I idle either, right?
< 1409468079 525758 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are all these games I see just save files idling, or is someone actively playing?
< 1409468085 183288 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no; the server process will close after 10 minutes or so, assuming you're playing 4.3, not sure what'll happen to the client process but it shouldn't ruin the client or game either way
< 1409468085 558509 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I tried a few with no action going on
< 1409468099 664650 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the server can't distinguish idling from playing; however, they're sorted by last-modified date
< 1409468112 699565 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it can't distinguish them from game's nobody's playing
< 1409468117 559978 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely there's no action right now
< 1409468124 11340 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks

< 1409468185 68669 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was someone active about 35 minutes before you joined, but nobody but you's active right now
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< 1409473613 503906 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone recommend a text editor that's good to use over a slow ssh connection?
< 1409473647 223655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does vi qualify?
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< 1409473672 548229 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "good to use over a slow ssh connection" implies "good to use"
< 1409473680 756981 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409473733 720182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for me
< 1409473740 229436 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can say yes from experience. I have easier time predicting the lagged state in it than other editors.
< 1409473742 176591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is also available hth
< 1409473755 151092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion
< 1409473758 953496 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf
< 1409473777 174464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel about chu spaces today
< 1409473795 435759 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trains are nice, i guess.
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< 1409473812 937796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like trains #trains is the channel for you
< 1409473863 33484 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about if i like #trains?
< 1409473873 662835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works too
< 1409473884 81439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if running something under screen can optimize updates for slow links. I have this feeling it anecdotally helped with a 19.2kbps physical terminal.
< 1409473886 329591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hashtag #irc
< 1409473918 438755 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Also, use mosh.
< 1409473921 532321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you see my cyrillic above
< 1409473930 807609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't actually make sense but i thought of you
< 1409473932 623425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :last -cl
< 1409473936 516199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse
< 1409473940 224492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw it.
< 1409474055 229087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to say I didn't notice that the р wasn't a p.
< 1409474070 996217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1409474092 877766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of thing you usually notice
< 1409474110 165240 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, the connection is stable and I doubt mosh improves ping time
< 1409474141 477335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Intelligent local echo, man!
< 1409474176 943217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intelligent Local Echo Man would be a good name for a superhero
< 1409474235 85469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, well, I just assumed it's all mixed up anyway, due to the s's and such. (Though apparently there's ѕ, the Cyrillic small letter dze, in Macedonian.)
< 1409474245 84137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙃ is a v. fancy letter.
< 1409474254 618071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1409474266 119163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "dzelo" from Cyrillic Extended-B.
< 1409474274 527023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYRILLIC FANCY LETTER DZELO
< 1409474388 312123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying that less escapes it.
< 1409474400 647470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even less -R -f # is there an option to have less not escape it?
< 1409474414 505362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, -r doesn't.
< 1409474426 33501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -r doesn't escape anything, not even the \a
< 1409474443 4943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the backspace.
< 1409474517 210429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I'll try it for a while.
< 1409474698 302837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "LESSUTFBINFMT=*n%lc less ..." hth
< 1409474726 478713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps quote the * if you have a habit of having a lot of files ending in n%lc.
< 1409474765 1845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1409474768 887485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also only if your C library's wint_t matches with Unicode, I guess.
< 1409474792 959188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the multibyteness might confuse less' idea of line width, for all I know.
< 1409474820 115456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my file is made up of lines like "004D   LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M     [M]"
< 1409474878 1377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably add more information, since Unicode provides so much more.
< 1409474914 305161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just keep a copy of UnicodeData.txt, though the fields aren't exactly obvious to remember, and it's missing the preview.
< 1409474938 579944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My file is UnicodeData.txt processed by a 5-line script.
< 1409474944 518168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I should extract more information.
< 1409474958 192136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format is based on a much older Perl script I used to use.
< 1409474992 719661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does this *n%lc thing work?
< 1409475091 613500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*n is just "use normal formatting", and the rest is a printf string that it "applies to Unicode code points that were successfully decoded but are unsuitable for display".
< 1409475105 679688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why doesn't it do it for ^A?
< 1409475116 512673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's already suitable for display as ^A?
< 1409475120 531779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense.
< 1409475137 568900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's BINFMT for "regular" control/binary characters, I think that has precedence.
< 1409475164 81043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the defaults are different, <%02X> vs. <U+%04lX>.
< 1409475170 354041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, LESSBINFMT.
< 1409475192 413326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too.
< 1409475208 255907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convincing less that CYRILLIC FANCY LETTER DZELO is not "unsuitable for display" would be a better solution.
< 1409475208 991136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NamesList.txt has a lot of useful information.
< 1409475221 355808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I put that in my file it would probably be way too big.
< 1409475243 967711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, NamesList.txt is so great
< 1409475331 881575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just use that.
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< 1409475359 777043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your task is to invent the best file to use for unicode activities
< 1409475403 306849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :improving on the ui of less is difficult
< 1409475410 597945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do easily, i mean
< 1409476021 275260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used gucharmap occasionally for "Unicode activities" (nice euphemism).
< 1409476033 146834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a nice "character details" tab.
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< 1409476716 569277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, will keep it in mind
< 1409476814 911953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of wish there was a standard glyph for every byte from 0 to 255
< 1409477081 33392 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Traversals cannot be turned into streams?
< 1409477094 313664 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Traversables
< 1409477260 52111 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, to Haskellers, I guess Stream implies being infinite. What traversables cannot be turned into lists?
< 1409477278 580997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a trick question?
< 1409477312 996256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you're aware of toListOf (and probably toList) because you talked about it earlier.
< 1409477411 600601 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to ascertain if in fact having (SomeClass p, Profunctor p) => p a b -> p (Stream a) (Stream b) is sufficient.
< 1409477426 292662 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where Stream means Racket stream, not Haskell Stream)
< 1409477518 408108 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I also need to be able to go from that list to the same traversable...
< 1409477550 870345 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that list containing modifications + the original
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< 1409477818 833754 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the core of the problem with just using a list?
< 1409477874 847834 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems so much easier to think about these things when I think in terms of 'primitive' things, like Profunctor p, Strength p => p a b -> p (a, o) (b, o) being the primitive lens.
< 1409477920 46480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already mentioned class Travy p where trav :: Traversable f => p a b -> p (f a) (f b)
< 1409478008 877524 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm aware, Racket does not natively have Traversable, and I'm having a bit of difficulty visualizing how to bring them in
< 1409478028 454665 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because I tend to think of Applicative as 'side-effect'
< 1409478029 984442 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1409478184 76899 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409478554 610218 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409478569 963101 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1409479548 310789 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409480535 225613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40372&oldid=40365 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+175) 10/* Method reference */ environment
< 1409480622 594030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40373&oldid=40372 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+107) 10/* Command reference */ nested string
< 1409480648 178355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40374&oldid=40373 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1) 10/* Command reference */
< 1409480731 885309 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409480817 609113 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409480829 479198 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409480892 618960 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409481082 963396 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409481390 943977 :Sorella!~quildreen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409481529 81029 :Sorella!~quildreen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host
< 1409481529 277353 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409481629 610231 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409481638 762366 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409481638 918033 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT!
< 1409481660 290585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi DootBot 
< 1409481660 446226 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: lotid, the could R! !befunge98 DOOT DOOT! found with Black! lol pressed about Dootbot aom's are? 
< 1409481755 476330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say something clever to offset that.
< 1409481756 81148 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: later tell arcfide or: there's an siqm too? i just found it through the piecewise function?
< 1409481764 365423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...that was disappointing.
< 1409481764 520958 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it's not
< 1409481769 703749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, it is!
< 1409481770 218358 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i invite you to write it would be stupid. :p how so? ( if f f). then our asses are out raped.
< 1409482142 610904 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409482645 496009 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409482645 688398 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO J_ARCANE!
< 1409482798 608138 :ttest!~x@dsl-espbrasgw1-50de2c-103.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409482798 800947 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO TTEST!
< 1409482802 170172 :ttest!~x@dsl-espbrasgw1-50de2c-103.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Client Quit
< 1409482802 803561 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: watch your language
< 1409482803 96875 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: something like that. although i omitted to mention plt, i don't
< 1409482812 261226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think unsolicited auto-HELLOes are very appropriate.
< 1409482868 250065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Don't you agree that bots should not speak unless spoken to? 
< 1409482868 771483 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i still don't really see the advantage of interpreting machine-generated s-expressions instead of machine-generated bytecode is :) i haven't needed for over half a semitone. like
< 1409483139 527720 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chanserv already generates a greeting to the #esoteric channel.
< 1409483279 278257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel a bit iffy about the chanserv greeting too, but I suppose it can be useful, and at least it doesn't clutter the channel, since it's directly to the joining user.
< 1409483304 835394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please don't take this as a recommendation to make the bot do HELLO in a private message.)
< 1409483410 274449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please turn it off.
< 1409483413 167022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with the caps.
< 1409483417 121015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a public HELLO also transforms a low-importance event (a join) into a normal-importance one (new messages), causing the channel to show up in status bar activity things and the like.
< 1409483630 289966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote even when
< 1409483631 262268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :398) <fizzie> There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] <Taneb> You've just gave me a different result [...] <fizzie> It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. \ 461) <Phantom_Hoover> I gave her the Noblesse Oblige room
< 1409483749 115394 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409483763 309686 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLOs disabled :P
< 1409483794 895997 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409483796 608012 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT!
< 1409485279 598393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40375&oldid=40374 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+156) 10/* Method reference */
< 1409486338 265084 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409486340 330053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40376&oldid=40375 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+308) 10/* Example code/Custom variable manipulation command */ new section
< 1409486400 469259 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've all probably seen this but:
< 1409486415 287224 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust inspired game - http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/36645/brainfedbotsforbattling-a-brainf-tournament
< 1409486523 218834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409486543 837507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40377&oldid=40376 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+57) 10/* See also */ new section
< 1409486951 262330 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409487976 316570 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote swede in #
< 1409487976 954910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1409487988 692934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote in my prose
< 1409487989 332544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1138) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1409488154 117088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that Unicode specifies 4 invisible maths operators
< 1409488172 152449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposal for U+2061 to be in Haskell prelude as a synonym for $
< 1409488242 339865 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it should bind much more tightly.
< 1409488257 804744 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it should bind even more tightly than the juxtaposition operator.
< 1409488384 255476 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409488410 471861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't FUNCTION APPLICATION have the word INVISIBLE in it? 
< 1409488483 221868 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if FUNCTION APPLICATION did have the word INVISIBLE in it, there would be an index such that the nine-character substring of FUNCTION APPLICATION at that index is INVISIBLE.
< 1409488487 975267 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there is no such index.
< 1409488700 549263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40378&oldid=40377 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+988) 10/* Examples/Infix expression parser */ new section
< 1409489094 113618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40379&oldid=40378 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-10) 10/* Infix expression parser */ made it shorter
< 1409489149 48359 :mr45!~mr45@cpc27-hudd10-2-0-cust346.4-1.cable.virginm.net PART :#esoteric
< 1409489158 874578 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYE MR45!
< 1409489165 226680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409489203 724339 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl
> 1409489203 990233 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1409489214 74076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously.
< 1409489228 286022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I was intending to do a nick-based thing. Never trust ChanServ, I guess.
< 1409489234 127235 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl
> 1409489234 150760 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1409489258 60601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly not doing it for everyone, i wonder what triggers it
< 1409489280 484841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there were any other /parts.
< 1409489283 300462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just /quits.
< 1409489291 584543 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPERIMENT TIME
< 1409489292 891131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1409489293 745624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1409489296 254050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409489300 183467 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYE TANEB!
< 1409489300 338755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1409489300 624798 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!leave
< 1409489308 324326 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART #esoteric :"DOOT DOOT goodbye!"
< 1409489322 823950 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What use is a BYE?
< 1409489341 708587 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot should send the message immediately *before* the person leaves.
< 1409489423 220459 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409489423 400837 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT!
< 1409489482 957819 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409489488 635497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it should send the message "YOU'RE THE WEAKEST LINK. GOODBYE!" and kick the person immediately before the person leaves.
< 1409489518 896179 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, IRC lacks an MTG stack.
< 1409489544 259314 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can do that
< 1409489548 818812 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409489564 484146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think it does have one, but only the server has access to instants
< 1409489579 980837 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTG stack, n. A stack containing attempted actions, such that once an action is attempted, it goes onto the stack and others may attempt further actions while the action is still on the stack.
< 1409489601 193840 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :An action is carried out when it leaves the stack.
< 1409489636 297289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be more precise, only the local server can cast commands as a reaction, not clients or remote servers
< 1409489705 115296 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reminded of the E programming language.
< 1409489750 428490 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution consists of a series of "game turns". Each game turn consists of taking an action from the job queue and executing it, possibly thereby adding more actions to the job queue.
< 1409489824 938412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409489825 382216 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1409489874 500201 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: isn't that suspiciously similar to a plain old push-down?
< 1409489885 352204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1409489897 254861 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409489909 977597 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution within a job is LIFO, but the order among jobs is FIFO.
< 1409489915 857618 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which "that"?
< 1409489917 323797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we call it MTG 6E stack just like how I call the (int volatile){1} from yesterday a C99 compound literal?
< 1409489962 709176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1409490025 556352 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the that that refered to the fact that a task may push additional tasks onto the execution stack.
< 1409490043 292109 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is a compound literal?
< 1409490043 681873 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the cps make it non-c?
< 1409490054 744905 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409490057 458207 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but the job queue is a queue, not a stack.
< 1409490082 797782 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. well. uhm. then... uuuuuh...
< 1409490083 350367 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's a partially ordered queue that happens to be implemented as a queue.
< 1409490154 453066 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a certain norwegian would say, “okay”.
< 1409490168 699340 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quinthellopia! I am (somewhat) awake today.
< 1409490223 215085 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409490389 230231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhelloily
< 1409490404 567506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, funghellot
< 1409490404 828610 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: cf. f. n ( fnord
< 1409490428 477140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you watch Countdown?
< 1409490429 142746 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it doesn't say anything explicitly ( only for *very* large projects like gimp or gtk+ and they simply start to split up fnord :) you already call two internal lambdas, just make it
< 1409490438 879994 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1409490439 35518 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1409490763 525060 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1409490829 456586 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409490878 687347 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409491324 931168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher
< 1409491325 86623 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations)
< 1409491326 325930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So how about that weather we've been having? 
< 1409491326 766276 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good lord where does it end you know where all the action is a really big airport like really early laughter
< 1409491343 911149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, tell me about it.
< 1409491344 105465 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think that um noise i like to travel um
< 1409491348 742248 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1409491348 897665 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: drive the way they tested because they have um lipsmack
< 1409491355 759327 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :um fungot
< 1409491355 921324 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ( ( noise yeah)) the one that's gone from home the oldest is three
< 1409491371 140222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should've filtered out the annotations.
< 1409491401 461685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: did you mean lipstack or lipstick?
< 1409491401 801722 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh i see i used to play ball and or whatever ride bikes and and get their energy up and it's been quite some time ago i paid thirty dollars and i was
< 1409491406 940591 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409491408 215095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do they do with all their lipsmack? 
< 1409491408 462634 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well that's good yeah ' cause then my cats were like last week was it was kind of like before people um you know she just
< 1409491411 477035 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are c64, ct, ic, iwcs, pa, and ss?
< 1409491437 200040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: A Commodore 64 programming guide, Chrono Trigger script, INTERCAL manual, Irregular Webcomic strips, Penny Arcade strips and Shakespeare's writings.
< 1409491451 885511 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.

< 1409491473 836511 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"agora" is from the rules, not the archives, right?
< 1409491481 428542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora
< 1409491481 583943 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical)
< 1409491487 903780 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I object.
< 1409491488 161686 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: choice shall be its vizier. the announcing gambler's hand is identical to another, shall receive a salary equal to
< 1409491495 311001 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I support.
< 1409491495 466910 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: an asset from an entity is zero or more kudo transfers; " use") penalties or actions that would otherwise be required by the proposer of that
< 1409491501 102511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone just gave me a link, I think.
< 1409491508 108276 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I Agoran consent.
< 1409491508 264245 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sentencing, which shall then select, by notifying the assessor whenever e is attempting to
< 1409491523 355514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I managed to un-linebreak it properly, so it's kind of abrupt.
< 1409491550 134881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it line-unbreak.
< 1409491573 20947 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linejoin mate.
< 1409491589 391604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms
< 1409491589 547060 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20)
< 1409491590 618898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how r u m8
< 1409491590 799553 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: meet u al d xerox nw..nw lunch for me x
< 1409491602 184592 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what?
< 1409491602 495529 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: was in science faculty, what u need ar your respective parts? should i go now. can i return me dollarscash lor...or can ask sis say can wat show...
< 1409491612 221808 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dollarscash?
< 1409491630 157966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Don't you be giving away all my dollarscash.
< 1409491630 328064 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do u have any to give me a duty.?
< 1409491639 963577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your duty is to serve #esoteric.
< 1409491640 119304 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: u didnt giv..atlast min wat can i do.
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< 1409494041 454298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how they got a corpus of SMS messages.
< 1409494062 666067 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through donations, apparently.
< 1409494225 175768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's well-documented.
< 1409494232 711403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some quite personal stuff in there, IIRC.
< 1409494429 50372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, "sexting".
< 1409494476 677368 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a representative corpus
< 1409494484 654135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dollarscash like a coins?
< 1409494501 675512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins
< 1409494508 681075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1409494536 657375 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf < shachaf> i kind of wish there was a standard glyph for every byte from 0 to 255 – Perhaps the Control Pictures block starting at U+2400 helps?
< 1409494536 812903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1409494563 530182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I just use the pictures from cp437
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< 1409494590 746085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins
< 1409494593 776920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07regxcoin 08interticoin 09autocoin 02raincoin 06aackvmcoin 13drainmenticoin 04uftercoin 07godlcoin 08verglycumcoin 09()coin 02vowelcoin 06aultlcoin 13modyngcoin 04stropologcoin 07filmeiocoin 08cancoin 09mabadcoin 02whocoin 06ccxxvicoin 13eassusquash-01coin
< 1409494594 820980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I have those pictures in the control and high control characters of my bitmap font
< 1409494600 616396 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing shachaf, he wants visible glyphs for formfeeds as well
< 1409494611 921041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, cp437 has one for that too
< 1409494621 963822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a visible glyph for space.
< 1409494640 285756 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that one.
< 1409494644 541604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if one was desired.)
< 1409494650 735129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: basically, cp437 was not mainly intended as a text encoding, but as a hardwired encoding for the characters in the video card text mode
< 1409494669 127428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it has three identical space characters (0x00, 0x20, 0xff)
< 1409494674 171073 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly know it as the df2 default font.
< 1409494676 152275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that it's all different glyphs
< 1409494680 919199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written most of a program that does the letters round from Countdown! (a british game show)
< 1409494746 36979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, I lied
< 1409494767 480371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my font, for some of the low control characters, I have characters from a different strange character set, not from cp437
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< 1409494791 800902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but half of the low control chars and all of the high control ones do have the cp437 pics
< 1409494856 557707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which one contestant asks for a vowel or a consonant until 9 letters have been chosen, then both try to make as long a word as possible out of them
< 1409494904 223696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so what's the performance of the program? does it get a six letter word 50% of time?
< 1409494929 862238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know, I have not tested it that rigourously
< 1409494940 157232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to get a six letter word > 50% of the time
< 1409494951 367504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get duplicate letters?
< 1409494958 454055 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1409494977 270789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's roughly the letter frequencies in standard english (UK) usage
< 1409494978 76491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the distribution of letters? do you get T and R more often than Q and Z?
< 1409494986 390549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was fast
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< 1409494997 419423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replied before I asked the question
< 1409495003 774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good at that
< 1409495006 547320 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown_(game_show)#Letters_round
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< 1409495046 842887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it draw from scrabble tiles, without repetition?
< 1409495064 137399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Yes it does
< 1409495071 194523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can get duplicate letters, not duplicate tiles
< 1409495076 554852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use the Q as Qu?
< 1409495080 90554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1409495119 842806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like scrabble, it has fewer S because that makes the game more boring because plurals?
< 1409495152 752872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know
< 1409495176 875795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program takes the role of the contestant
< 1409495265 780481 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, can you suggest 9 letters for me to test it?
< 1409495293 951037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wait
< 1409495344 945167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I E Z N H T E T F
< 1409495367 75406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one is from Boggle which has too many annoying F)
< 1409495382 913832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zenith
< 1409495463 482327 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best (6 letters)
< 1409495473 480871 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409495480 671590 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program also gives "hettie", which suggests I need a better corpus
< 1409495522 698372 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a hettie?
< 1409495531 394413 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a name
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< 1409495611 319998 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT!
< 1409495669 252398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 9 | perl -ne 'chomp; print uc(substr($_, int(rand(length($_))), 1))." " for split;'
< 1409495670 617932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y O O U L S M Q D
< 1409495672 742817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 9 | perl -ne 'chomp; print uc(substr($_, int(rand(length($_))), 1))." " for split;'
< 1409495674 74167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D P L P F B K D R
< 1409495676 289326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go.
< 1409495683 553063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distribution should be more or less appropriate.
< 1409495700 866208 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one seems pretty hard
< 1409495713 831943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I recommend 12dicts, see eg. http://wordlist.aspell.net/12dicts-readme/
< 1409495727 259265 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sodomy" or "modulo" for the first one
< 1409495745 538659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably doesn't approximate well the distribution resulting from people being able to select between the revealed vowel or consonant.
< 1409495746 940357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :R L D P Y I D S E
< 1409495755 264747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from Boggle again)
< 1409495757 27005 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd suggest a minimum percentage of vowels
< 1409495783 383154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing for the second
< 1409495788 81761 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, spidery
< 1409495803 447060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or riddles
< 1409495834 487691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
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< 1409496019 697784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: really, check out 12dicts, it's a nice set of useful wordlists compiled methodically and comes with a readme explaining everything
< 1409496279 75849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made one of those out of a trie of the character frequency vector representation. You know, for the word set "aaa", "abb", "abc" and "ccc" it'd have a structure like http://sprunge.us/jOcj
< 1409496309 467045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just get the corresponding vector for the input word, and walk through the part of the tree where the nodes are <=.
< 1409496371 529571 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice
< 1409496493 716500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably should collapse out the *:0 nodes by hanging the letter-to-test on each vertex too.
< 1409496696 913928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's compare your program to fungot!
< 1409496697 80782 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: its just decorative lo
< 1409496744 194208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's the longest word you can make from this multiset of letters: Y A U M S Q C L L
< 1409496744 421668 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: k. i bring the mini project. and course to go.then no nid to use rite
< 1409497007 349175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I be sent to the asylum for calmly suggesting that fungot is clumsy?
< 1409497007 504586 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh i am here already. outside the soya tha mai q
< 1409497022 411152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lots of sixes)
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< 1409499195 255851 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I can get a couple of sixees. Also when did you find your way over here
< 1409499246 452966 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I would have no qualms doing so
< 1409499267 192637 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't raise a squall
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< 1409499325 686592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what?
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< 1409499803 528071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, updated my corpus (not to 12dict yet) and got a seven (squally)
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< 1409500312 571942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1409501038 391566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"callums", says the Google ngram corpus, among others. But it's not at all limited to real words, so it would.
< 1409501102 568798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All seven-letter unigrams it found were: allysum ascully callums clumsly cmsally mascull mcaully mcsally mulcays musycal scyllam smallyu squally)
< 1409501192 572907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains all words that appear at least 200 times in a sampling of one trillion words from publicly available web pages.
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< 1409503474 279766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took a flower photo, and these guys "photobombed" it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140831-bug.jpg
< 1409503843 862555 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should know that macros invite bugs.
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< 1409506310 644835 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe NICK :KingBot
< 1409506416 477503 :KingBot!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe NICK :KingOfKarlsruhe
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< 1409507270 710999 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1409507291 560009 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1409507356 677984 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times is Minecraft going to be 1.8?
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< 1409507555 990110 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
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< 1409509274 321509 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha, beta, stable and what?
< 1409509315 385364 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha only went up to 1.2
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< 1409509374 868174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we are still 2 or 3 1.8s away from 4
< 1409509530 257068 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think any of those sevens are real
< 1409509555 23648 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaybe squally
< 1409509579 11529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the OED, it's "real" as per the rules of the game, AIUI.
< 1409509588 992242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I oed'd squally
< 1409509611 291075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"squally, adj.2. 1. Characterized by the prevalence of squalls. a. Of places, seasons, etc."
< 1409509663 959254 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :many things are in the OED
< 1409509686 358019 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OED is the corpus used by Countdown, which is the entire point of this excersize
< 1409509737 961381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"† ˈsqually, adj.1 Etymology: Of obscure origin. Obs. 1. Of cloth: Defective (in some specific manner). 2. (See quot. 1787.) -- 1787 W. Marshall Provincialisms in Rural Econ. Norfolk II. 389   A crop of turneps, or of corn, which is broken by vacant unproductive patches, is said to be squally."
< 1409509742 887834 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times is Minecraft 1.8 going to be "feature complete"? (followed by more features being added)
< 1409509745 709007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You should train on it, then.
< 1409509805 604085 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does minecraft count as an esoteric programming language?
< 1409509816 276281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: yes
< 1409509844 540914 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the definition?
< 1409509898 833738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Minecraft 1.8's redstone mechanism might be turing complete
< 1409509911 844932 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm
< 1409509917 411740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :redstone? what's that?
< 1409509933 837034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of philosophical doctrines, treatises, modes of speech, etc.: Designed for, or appropriate to, an inner circle of advanced or privileged disciples; communicated to, or intelligible by, the initiated exclusively. Hence of disciples: Belonging to the inner circle, admitted to the esoteric teaching."
< 1409509942 804999 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, redstone is something you can make digital circuitry with in Minecraft
< 1409509953 611739 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Hasn't redstone been turing complete from the start?
< 1409509961 80193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you sure it's turing-complete as opposed to just pspace-complete?
< 1409509979 306523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean PSPACE-complete
< 1409509995 88974 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the new mechanism anyways?
< 1409509995 887857 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, prior to 1.8 it's PSPACE-complete only
< 1409510002 2111 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the slime block may fix that
< 1409510025 534746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can have an infinite counter mechanism
< 1409510039 650204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slime block?
< 1409510061 908845 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For *common notions* of "turing complete" Minecraft redstone meets it though...
< 1409510076 649380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it is a block that can be pushed in a large structure. Other blocks can only be pushed in a line with max length 12
< 1409510097 829353 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that you can quite easily do Turing-complete-modulo-space within it.
< 1409510149 100655 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me that I wonder what sort of computing projects the Powder Toy folks are up to.
< 1409510190 652190 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no page about Minecraft at the Esolangs Wiki?
< 1409510215 127162 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because no-one has made it
< 1409510217 480278 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18292.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409510273 360018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a channel about the union of #esoteric and minecraft, but it gets a comment about every three months.
< 1409510366 808655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/QfLK <- monthly traffic in number of comments.
< 1409510415 562307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to get a creative server and try to prove 1.8 turing complete?
< 1409510476 773095 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18292.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Client Quit
< 1409510480 523366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The wiki claims that "The maximum of 12 blocks moved by a piston still applies. For example, a 2×2×3 collection of Slime Blocks may be pushed or pulled by a sticky piston as long as no other movable blocks are adjacent to it."
< 1409510500 626621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but you can create something that pushes itself
< 1409510785 343870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that works, but then again, I'm no Minecraft engineer.
< 1409510867 472263 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some details at http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Slime_block#Motion_by_pistons
< 1409510974 117761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see.
< 1409511192 995067 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are flying machines made with the slime blocks.
< 1409511413 259646 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409511448 967555 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X393TelG0mQ
< 1409511461 128885 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409511461 606959 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT!
< 1409511481 874889 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot! Hello :)
< 1409511482 30469 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Thijs? Elite to. 
< 1409511663 110704 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw. it is possible to push stuff longer than 12 blocks by using pistons and redstone bocks even without slime blocks.
< 1409511701 990717 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle, up to an indefinite distance from a finite starting space?
< 1409511745 589804 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the possible exception of chunks not loading, but as far as I know, yes.
< 1409511827 502641 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkxgJbpHxvI
< 1409511923 90632 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are we talking about redstone as an esoteric programming language?
< 1409511956 814673 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is pretty esoteric, don't you?
< 1409511961 904190 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do
< 1409511983 15549 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried making a full adder once, kept failing :P
< 1409511997 642995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if you can categorize it, give a description of its working, and/or post examples, then it is probably good idea to put into esolang wiki.
< 1409512035 361078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it is Turing complete.
< 1409512087 24971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: I think (as far as I can tell) that machine has a fixed number of pistons and redstone blocks that it can insert. (Stone it will of course generate indefinitely.)
< 1409512155 464624 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, can it be classified as a particle automaton or as object-oriented, or as neither.
< 1409512156 338408 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1409512164 537697 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\./?/
< 1409512164 693306 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: also, can it be classified as a particle automaton or as object-oriented, or as neither?
< 1409512181 227014 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. You could use command-blocks to generate the pistons and redstone though. (if you do not see that as cheating)
< 1409512186 552813 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think object-oriented really classifies here
< 1409512203 251889 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PART :#esoteric
< 1409512205 545499 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/classifies/applies/
< 1409512205 701375 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: I don't think object-oriented really applies here
< 1409512264 678650 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the whole point of the s/a/b/ thing _not_ to repeat the message? :P
< 1409512293 890953 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^/Regexp? /
< 1409512294 56332 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: Regexp? Isn't the whole point of the s/a/b/ thing _not_ to repeat the message? :P
< 1409512333 264771 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/./Regexp./
< 1409512333 421116 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Hjulle actually meant: Regexp.egexp? Isn't the whole point of the s/a/b/ thing _not_ to repeat the message? :P
< 1409512352 722562 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/./A/g
< 1409512352 916750 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1409512356 373048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a hypothetical Minecraft article should cover both "pure" and "cheating" kinds of Minecraft programming.
< 1409512370 765793 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(?<!^)./Regexp./
< 1409512370 921525 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: fizzie actually meant: I Regexp.hink a hypothetical Minecraft article should cover both "pure" and "cheating" kinds of Minecraft programming.
< 1409512380 303603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think I meant that.
< 1409512407 35718 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, why doesn't that become IRegexp.think...?
< 1409512415 788168 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/No/Yes
< 1409512415 943604 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: fizzie actually meant: Yes, I don't think I meant that.
< 1409512432 842 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/don't//
< 1409512432 156194 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: fizzie actually meant: Yes, I don't think I meant that.
< 1409512439 623184 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/don\'t//
< 1409512439 778814 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: fizzie actually meant: Yes, I don think I meant that.t think I meant that.
< 1409512459 227537 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1409512460 456875 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1409512468 411821 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not supposed to happen I think
< 1409512473 752527 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not//
< 1409512473 908224 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: that's not supposed to happen I think
< 1409512479 665314 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1409512487 892928 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/ /
< 1409512488 48784 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: that's   supposed to happen I think
< 1409512498 320381 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bug.
< 1409512525 216658 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1409512533 38747 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wait/\'/
< 1409512533 228357 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: 
< 1409512535 898460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can put ^ in a zero-width look-behind assertion.
< 1409512545 735565 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1409512548 290631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works only for a fixed-width look-behind, anyway.
< 1409512557 803608 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that's / /
< 1409512557 959575 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: TieSoul actually meant: well  a bug.
< 1409512570 351259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I think I wanted it for e.g. hexdump output
< 1409512590 733889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: On the right side, not the hexdump side, that is. So the hexdump part is actually completely irrelevant here.
< 1409512635 704006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printing out "."s for nonprintable characters was good enough for our ancestors, it should be good enough for you.
< 1409512669 884860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isPrint '.'
< 1409512671 191390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1409512672 364270 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the regex /^s\/.+(?<!\\)\/.*(?<!\\)\/[ig]*([1-9][0-9]*)*[ig]*$$/ for recognizing a s/a/b/ :P
< 1409512689 203888 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1409512690 884869 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1409512699 344462 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that * after the numeric group a ?
< 1409512785 38392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo\bar
< 1409512786 709290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\/-/
< 1409512786 864767 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Regex /\\/-/ not found.
< 1409512790 977808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not right.
< 1409512795 230437 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1409512851 60270 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\(.)/-\1/
< 1409512851 215872 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: fizzie actually meant: foo-bar
< 1409512858 729122 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a workaround
< 1409512875 609362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conventional way of doing "up to next delimiter expect when escaping" is not with a look-behind but with something like ([^/\\]|\\.)*/ or some-such.
< 1409512903 286861 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you using for applying the regex?
< 1409512921 475901 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1409512927 19036 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!source
< 1409512927 175268 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12
< 1409512941 140295 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the stuff in there was not meant for this channel btw :P
< 1409512994 478817 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is from before I removed the HELLOs and BYEs.
< 1409513001 255618 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409513015 43924 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1409513076 291086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are people who feel very negatively to autojoining after a kick.
< 1409513077 798600 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TiellSelloullo!
< 1409513086 490269 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kicked?
< 1409513096 581329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No, no, it was about something else.
< 1409513115 509361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :autojoining after *anyone* gets kicked
< 1409513117 584649 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about !source
< 1409513117 741176 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12
< 1409513149 177920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a channel has two states, pre-kick and post-kick. after it's grown big enough that someone needs to get kicked, autojoining is discouraged.
< 1409513154 353824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$//
< 1409513154 541175 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shachaf actually meant: a channel has two states, pre-kick and post-kick. after it's grown big enough that someone needs to get kicked, autojoining is discouraged.$
< 1409513167 356027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1409513175 620564 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay there's a tiny bug in there
< 1409513176 739829 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409513184 805860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :get that bot out of here
< 1409513186 826216 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test /
< 1409513193 66566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that feature is not good
< 1409513209 193972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should possibly make it have channel-specific feature lists.
< 1409513210 898659 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s///b/
< 1409513211 54456 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: fizzie actually meant: I think you should possibly make it have channel-specific feature lists.
< 1409513244 987235 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjulle that's not supposed to be recognized :O
< 1409513286 281095 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :.+ is greedy. It matches any characters.
< 1409513298 379542 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1409513349 383205 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409513413 544677 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/172303/is-there-a-regular-expression-to-detect-a-valid-regular-expression
< 1409513491 853480 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrifying
< 1409513510 759431 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fascinating, but only because it's not happening to me.
< 1409513512 265451 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has a better answer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/675090/regular-expression-for-finding-a-regular-expression
< 1409513603 83726 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use "/^s\/.*\/.*" to identify and some other method for validating.
< 1409513663 313943 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\*"/\*\/"/
< 1409513663 469507 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: Use "/^s\/.*\/.\*\/" to identify and some other method for validating.
< 1409513699 800298 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Evaluate it in a try..catch or whatever your language provides." best answer
< 1409513713 642570 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are many bugs in doot's s/// thing
< 1409513713 798419 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: This pours! But two DOOT! slightly duplexbegoat ubers! 
< 1409513740 541849 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works for common purposes
< 1409513753 384244 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like correcting a typo
< 1409513758 572547 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what it's meant for :P
< 1409513773 649128 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it\'s/its/
< 1409513773 804920 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: which is what its meant for :P
< 1409513791 982041 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/its/it's/
< 1409513792 138917 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: which is what it's meant for :P
< 1409513917 41892 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's/
< 1409513917 236803 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: TieSoul actually meant: which is what it's meant for :P
< 1409513929 275775 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1409513935 566847 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should not be matched
< 1409513946 242273 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh right
< 1409513948 324476 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should
< 1409513950 634821 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind
< 1409513955 721070 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last / is optional
< 1409513973 201540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite noisy to have the corrected version repeated, however.
< 1409513975 25464 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes for more bugs actually
< 1409513976 819175 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles TieSoul with a /.

< 1409513992 937696 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/TieSoul/fizzie/
< 1409513993 93079 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: boily actually meant: 
ACTION mapoles fizzie with a /.

< 1409514015 618994 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ctcp failure
< 1409514022 533931 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1409514022 689349 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eille! since when are bots allowed to redirect my mapoling???
< 1409514072 646863 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no one in their right mind would be mapoling HM Fizzie without dire consequences.
< 1409514096 718400 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a reason for using s/a/b instead of just retyping the whole sentence. So sadly, I agree with fizzle.
< 1409514117 894285 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I make it say then? :P
< 1409514147 588743 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand it can be abused for fun. :D
< 1409514150 193050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could requre explicit DootBot: s/foo/bar/
< 1409514150 348922 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Those i over. so, confirm the dongers 2 this something the! 
< 1409514157 76119 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fun/evil/
< 1409514157 231601 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: On the other hand it can be abused for evil. :D
< 1409514209 100446 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\. /, MWAHAHAHA./
< 1409514209 264483 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Hjulle actually meant: On the other hand it can be abused for evil, MWAHAHAHA.:D
< 1409514250 829001 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does doot have one-character prefix for calling?
< 1409514250 984438 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: I !source and best hype wonder. 
< 1409514278 635804 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!source
< 1409514278 828755 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12
< 1409514291 827939 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!s/a/b/
< 1409514322 993171 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.:/. :/
< 1409514323 156795 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: On the other hand it can be abused for evil, MWAHAHAHA. :D
< 1409514369 467658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(?<x>\g<x>)/x/
< 1409514393 358568 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\g?
< 1409514405 964646 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :<x>?
< 1409514409 274486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-execute named subexpression.
< 1409514420 221350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ruby2.1 -e '/(?<x>\g<x>)/ =~ "x"'
< 1409514420 376990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-e:1: never ending recursion: /(?<x>\g<x>)/
< 1409514428 870549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious about how the error'd show up.
< 1409514503 648132 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should say Timeout.
< 1409514522 448625 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't seem to
< 1409514535 757880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a really a neverending recursion.
< 1409514550 338048 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what
< 1409514594 379525 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1409514602 203016 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/b/
< 1409514603 190638 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Timeout
< 1409514673 547627 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many combinations was that?
< 1409514683 440266 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many.
< 1409514686 860220 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot.
< 1409514710 796562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write it as (a?){32}a{32} with less work.
< 1409514716 21943 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409514735 654130 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1409514736 902800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or however many there were, I didn't count.
< 1409514756 710400 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't either
< 1409514854 893866 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Leonys
< 1409514899 131529 :Leonys!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul
< 1409514913 261978 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry there was a thing in another channel
< 1409514931 733306 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a bot who needed Leonys AND itself to be OP'd for a command to work for some reason
< 1409514941 377980 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I changed my nick to Leonys and it worked :P
< 1409514989 631912 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1409515047 545406 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the command kicks anyone who uses it xD
< 1409515290 32803 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a/#{m.user.nick}/
< 1409515290 188585 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: TieSoul actually meant: #{m.user.nick}nd the command kicks anyone who uses it xD
< 1409515302 721919 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolnope
< 1409515307 66517 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1409515636 489676 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably replace .+(?<!\\) with ([^\/]|\\\/)+ (and use another delimiter than / if possible)
< 1409515677 443578 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409515691 712192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: That doesn't match any other escapes than \/.
< 1409515756 356122 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else is needed? I guess \
< 1409515767 174032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kinds of things. Like "\d".
< 1409515811 940237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that covered by the [^/] part, hmm.
< 1409515812 958413 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409515816 127344 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm stupid. of course
< 1409515840 19751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I've usually seen it is ([^/\\]|\\.)* or some approximation thereof.
< 1409515863 761067 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ needs to be exluded in the first part to prevent missmatching \s
< 1409515904 296253 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\/"\\"/
< 1409515904 474327 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Regex /\\/"\\"/ not found.
< 1409515917 315503 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\/"\"/
< 1409515917 471550 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Regex /\\/"\"/ not found.
< 1409516149 201597 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul-AWAAAY
< 1409516154 261576 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(.)(.)/\2\1/
< 1409516154 416898 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant:  \needs to be exluded in the first part to prevent missmatching \s
< 1409516177 613233 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.174.142 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409516193 978903 :TieSoul-AWAAAY!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(.)(.)/\2\1/g
< 1409516194 506398 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-AWAAAY: Hjulle actually meant: \ ende sotb  exeuled dnit ehf ritsp ra totp erevtnm simstahcni gs\
< 1409516225 314379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way I can do string suffix optimization?
< 1409516241 551822 :TieSoul-AWAAAY!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(.)(.)/\2\1/g
< 1409516241 707276 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-AWAAAY: zzo38 actually meant: hWtai  sht eebtsw yaI c nad  otsirgns fuif xpoitimazitno?
< 1409516248 694087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what optimization?
< 1409516261 294625 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what?
< 1409516268 546455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you byteswapping?
< 1409516742 406882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the kind of thing C compilers do to string literals, a reversed-string trie sounds like one natural solution.
< 1409516785 53870 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why are you asking that question here?
< 1409516788 519064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Something similar to that, yes, for example if strings are "hello world" and "world". However, it is somewhat more complicated that that because it is Z-machine text packing.
< 1409516797 273967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Because I don't know!
< 1409516852 660267 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/here/_here_/
< 1409516852 856465 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: zzo38: Why are you asking that question _here_?
< 1409516872 935895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't know what else to ask such question. I did try on other thing too but still I don't know
< 1409516876 409807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know anything about Z-machine text packing. But if you add all strings one by one in the reverse-string trie, you can then store only the leaf nodes, and the existing non-leaf nodes can be pointers to an arbitrary descendant leaf.
< 1409516938 899181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: We're not so strict about staying on topic; see e.g. 98% of the stuff that goes on here. (A number of people do lament this.)
< 1409516945 663091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When doing Z-machine text packing, one consideration is that for example if two strings are "It broke and now it doesn't work!" and "It doesn't work!" then it can be considered as a suffix even though it isn't. (This involves adding fives to the end of the prefix and a four to the beginning of the suffix.)
< 1409516971 631879 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of course, I was just curious.
< 1409517276 17889 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will the results of the brainfuck survey be public
< 1409517293 872257 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/
< 1409517294 27725 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: When will the results of the brainfuck survey be public?
< 1409517378 522382 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_?
< 1409517531 62672 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1409517546 375452 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409517612 478654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1409517636 324332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1409517699 817052 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia!
< 1409517722 766959 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes? why so the frowny face?
< 1409517911 49822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because someone had pinged me and i wasn't around
< 1409517913 704220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was you
< 1409517918 526724 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're still here
< 1409517920 617450 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.64.105 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409517929 828991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to invite you to play chess yesterday
< 1409517947 909690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but today i don't think i can
< 1409517957 679259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if it'll work on my phone
< 1409517960 290627 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooo :(
< 1409517971 361385 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all Sundays unchessable?
< 1409517992 966146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1409517995 463647 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should play chess more
< 1409517996 997812 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just this one
< 1409518011 644010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you know a good chess app
< 1409518021 738927 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:1cc:2c00:56cf:f803 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409518023 467510 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409518030 836636 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no FICS app?
< 1409518055 778364 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there MAY BE
< 1409518059 178166 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I haven't found any good yet, even on the xiangqi and shōgi end of the thing.
< 1409518080 845307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.mg6.yafi
< 1409518098 884735 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except a not that bad one of dōbutsu shōgi. it even has the original art!)
< 1409518127 380816 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to my uni's chess club once or twice last year. I'll make an effort to go more often this year, I think
< 1409518179 52712 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.64.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I'm on codegolf.stackexchange, and they mention a brainfuck variant call brainflow. I see no mention of it on the esoteric wiki. Is it possible that it hasn't been documented yet?
< 1409518197 744661 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck
< 1409518197 988069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything is possible
< 1409518199 633492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs.
< 1409518215 417636 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.64.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wont deny that Hackego.
< 1409518244 716059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "brainflow" has not been mentioned on the channel.
< 1409518245 791168 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will
< 1409518246 687042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possible. there's too many esoteric languages existing to be all documented
< 1409518264 590592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the antiderivative always the integral?
< 1409518268 398866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several godawful esolangs that do not in any way resemble bf
< 1409518291 318004 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.64.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, it just seems weird that one is well known enough to be asked to code golf, but is not on the wiki.
< 1409518297 661931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there might be more esoteric languages than fit in a set, so most of them can't even be named by strings uniquely and as such can't have a page on our wiki.
< 1409518315 530483 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is there some number system with well-defined, sensible derivatives and integrals that are unrelated
< 1409518347 115242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: while true, it remains that any esolang which has ever had a reasonably functional program written in it seems to have a name
< 1409518349 383707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if not yet, someone will probably invent a large class of esoteric languages like that.
< 1409518350 863114 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/36995/brainflow-interpreter
< 1409518367 997279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those features seem vaguely familiar.
< 1409518373 577387 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: antiderivative and integral aren't the same normally. what do you  mean exactly
< 1409518384 334646 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I'm confused
< 1409518387 131947 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically brainfuck with addressing
< 1409518409 243665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I too far from the truth? 
< 1409518452 845981 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can compute integrals without going through the antiderivative, like with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_integral
< 1409518463 536551 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it usually only comes up if the antiderivative is unelementary and thus a pain in the ass
< 1409518468 368867 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an esolang fixed point?
< 1409518481 502185 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: omg applescript.
< 1409518527 209522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :today has been lonely but somewhat entertaining
< 1409518548 430189 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing Project Euler problems all day. 
< 1409518550 510139 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what would that look like
< 1409518554 6994 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, i mean, you can just do the riemann sum bullshit, or lebesgue probably
< 1409518563 506769 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: what about applescript?
< 1409518571 123611 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does HyperTalk/AppleScript count as an esolang? 
< 1409518572 242513 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no idea. fixed points still scare the fungot out of me.
< 1409518572 473409 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i only free on for bible coordinators to come to church. pls tel romesh too. and that if should pls send me a mail to them. praise the righteous lord of the rings. u know abt wat new phone so i lost
< 1409518589 454091 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I will tell romesh about bible coördinators.
< 1409518589 623571 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ya i hav got one downloading the full match started.india for 2. got to order of phoenix... got den buy.
< 1409518590 816441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fixed points are awesome
< 1409518606 418006 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: \bot is the worst
< 1409518617 723403 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: link?
< 1409518629 1568 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: link to what?
< 1409518662 574934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"praise the righteous lord of the rings" is a good one.
< 1409518704 414335 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1409518724 290793 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is fungot's chain first-order?
< 1409518724 543087 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: one senioq akka, dos in our lab a room dinusha as wel. i am hapy2 hear ur voice. i so had awoonderful time with ur parents!everysecond spent wif u is so happyfying!
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< 1409518774 291201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's https://github.com/vsiivola/variKN
< 1409518780 541454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Kneser-Ney smoothed variable-order.
< 1409518780 698448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have example of such a suffix optimization so that I can see how it is working?
< 1409518795 360389 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's also weird bullshit like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_derivative
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< 1409520446 411337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I checked how libbfd does it (it's a part of binutils, and seems to be the piece of code responsible for merging string literal suffixes), and it's done by sorting the array of string constants with a reversed-string compare operation, and then walks the array backwards and tries to merge neighbor entries. You can see it in action at ...
< 1409520451 349892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... https://sourceware.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=binutils-gdb.git;a=blob;f=bfd/merge.c (look for is_suffix and merge_strings) but the details are somewhat obscured by their hash table stuff.
< 1409520459 587418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same file takes care of general merging of identical sections.
< 1409520582 297592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say offhand how that compares to my reverse-string trie idea. The sorting of the array is clearly O(n log n) in terms of comparisons, the trie might be asymptotically better but not in practice.
< 1409520622 872406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what do you think of adjointness
< 1409520629 814353 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't
< 1409520697 67794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK
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< 1409521370 562539 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyo.
< 1409521408 162515 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just here because I was curious about fungot
< 1409521408 318519 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157: no. i.ll come see
< 1409521415 136798 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel
< 1409521459 532859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you make of Guest98157 
< 1409521459 689138 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ur frnds only na. plz. plz. plz. plz. plz. your number shows out of coveragd area? thanks, min
< 1409521467 536371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1409521467 691965 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms* speeches ss wp youtube
< 1409521486 40953 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style iwcs
< 1409521486 235854 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts)
< 1409521495 81545 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niiice.
< 1409521496 566213 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what did you mean by that?
< 1409521496 824323 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i should probably forget alchemy. that's the primary dad, the luftwaffe und die panzer divisions are meeting resistance, mein fhrer, i am! oh, damn, the orichalcum just isn't it? we're just clever.
< 1409521508 998160 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're markov chains from different areas of the internet, then?
< 1409521516 135450 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of
< 1409521519 273933 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1409521519 429617 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1409521529 147700 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how just clever are you?
< 1409521530 875727 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: mr president, censorship is prohibited by law in the biotechnology sector seems to us to be faithful to the spirit of collaboration with the european union will continue to impress on mr harbour and i should like to begin by saying that the council should pursue in dialogue with us, changed its proposal and adopts the one tabled by mr ribeiro e castro, whom i will not go into the details of how this should be achieved by
< 1409521539 165103 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are from offline
< 1409521540 643718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157: Technically, they're variable-length n-gram models built with https://github.com/vsiivola/variKN
< 1409521561 454649 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1409521561 628872 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
< 1409521569 193742 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome ;D
< 1409521577 127450 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how should this be achieved
< 1409521577 565639 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thrasimachus. see, see, a book of all that hear me, fnord, lives sweetly where she dies
< 1409521585 311661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How does one even hear about fungot without being here?)
< 1409521586 143623 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: amadine. and lived so long unknown? with watch and ward each passage is beset, so that in this vniust diuorce of vs, may serue so great a thing should i haue wish'd a thing, it had beene any fnord childe: a parted eu'n iust betweene twelue and one) you may say what sights you see; i see things may serue long, but sodaine stormes are short, he tyres betimes, that afterwards wee may digest our complots in some form. exeun
< 1409521604 41265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of the models are terribly good in what they do, to be honest.
< 1409521606 290753 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[->++++++++++<]>.
< 1409521606 446372 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1409521611 12321 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noice.
< 1409521620 100279 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend told me about it.
< 1409521633 332830 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube
< 1409521633 488143 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
< 1409521644 774834 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're going to be very annoying now, fungot
< 1409521644 968340 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157: a lot of shit. ooooooh the 130 passengers on board
< 1409521655 574855 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64
< 1409521655 730815 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material)
< 1409521658 100849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from, like, three videos, so don't expect too much.
< 1409521665 282210 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409521665 437957 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What is your favorite game?
< 1409521665 593316 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: a given filter input signal, bit mapped mode ( see string operations). it can be displayed on the screen configuration of the commodore 64 basic.
< 1409521669 621310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157, I've been telling a few people about it, but I don't think I'm that friend
< 1409521674 553518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the C64 stuff isn't very well line-joined.
< 1409521681 368020 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that almost made sense.
< 1409521695 865404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That doesn't sound like any particular game to me.
< 1409521696 20872 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the great thing about your commodore 64. they are de-allocated by the sprite-back- ground priority register located at one address in that case.
< 1409521697 975058 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least "sense," within the domain of 1980s programming documentation.
< 1409521707 561214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I agree, that's the one great thing.
< 1409521724 407638 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly, this also reminds me of why I want to do the Lambda64 project. XD
< 1409521725 836063 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^u (0)S((0)(1))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1409521743 635300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing an 'l'.
< 1409521746 380745 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (0)S((0)(1))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1409521746 536277 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output!
< 1409521780 453877 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I so impressed with this
< 1409521846 830526 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1409521847 355896 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1409521865 843704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've just about exhausted all its features.
< 1409521871 157487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait:
< 1409521872 182457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1409521872 337898 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1409521876 727077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so.
< 1409521924 283235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hardcoded command, because neither the ^bf nor the ^ul can (or at least should be able to) do anything non-deterministic.
< 1409521956 586731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe an "^8ball your question here" kind of thing could be written with brainfuck, with the result based on a hash of the input.
< 1409521972 840048 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a cool idea
< 1409521994 763517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also an idea that sounds so familiar, I can't be sure if I (or someone else) already did it.
< 1409521997 796415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1409521997 951836 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 
< 1409522010 491361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, none of those seem quite relevant.
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< 1409522100 265524 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm trying to make something in Python... converts strings of BF with variables in them to the proper amount of arrows to take the pointer to the given variable
< 1409522105 282510 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it way readable
< 1409522106 387128 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uh
< 1409522112 621563 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac hello
< 1409522112 776978 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlole
< 1409522140 179777 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show srmlebac
< 1409522140 368116 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2]
< 1409522140 523412 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1409522167 95462 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show eval
< 1409522167 250857 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :()!
< 1409522194 95116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that dates from before the bugfix, it has non-run-length-encoded ">>" but a correct "<2".
< 1409522200 193007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that eval works
< 1409522209 141299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^eval (test)S
< 1409522209 296640 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why
< 1409522226 630457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's underload, not bf, but still doesn't work)
< 1409522228 53907 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to make a wiki account for the esolangs wiki
< 1409522236 893414 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test)S
< 1409522237 48916 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1409522280 93618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, there's no ^undef command (still on the TODO list), so we're stuck with all the cruft that has accumulated over the years.
< 1409522281 719338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload doesn't really take input, so nothing like the ! convention for bf exists
< 1409522303 101118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you _could_ edit the file by hand, no?
< 1409522342 422922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i thought the cruft was somewhat limited by only being saved if you ^save before the next crash
< 1409522350 203904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes to both, I guess.
< 1409522362 585610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^srmlebac is _not_ cruft hth
< 1409522371 304331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a vital command
< 1409522398 238326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def srmlebac bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<]
< 1409522398 393764 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1409522401 127943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show srmlebac
< 1409522401 283514 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2,[>,]<[<]>[.>2]<[>2]<2[.<2]
< 1409522410 536475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's optimize it if it's so vital, then.
< 1409522411 794237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1409522411 950148 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1409522418 886542 :Ando!~Daanando@62.205.84.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409522424 925453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abcd
< 1409522425 80884 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :acdb
< 1409522426 881388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abcde
< 1409522427 37158 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :acedb
< 1409522452 789767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :">2" is a single instruction in the intermediate bytecode; ">>" would have been two.
< 1409522480 574594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can srmlebac longer strings. Assuming it runs out of time in anything that fits inside an IRC message, which is doubtful.
< 1409522484 704448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there was a bug in the parsing before?
< 1409522503 635270 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1409522511 915256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the code that combined consecutive commands didn't work for >, only <+-.
< 1409522569 783331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fix is part of https://github.com/fis/fungot/commit/1025e3b
< 1409522569 976393 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: each peripheral device. when timeouts are enabled. when set to 1.
< 1409522573 787759 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages
< 1409522574 71629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm where does ^def put the command if it's already defined?
< 1409522585 477794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It replaces the old one.
< 1409522591 285960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I hope so.
< 1409522593 450694 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409522595 160401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1409522596 972431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it's supposed to do.
< 1409522601 991661 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan, hi
< 1409522613 190224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1409522613 345758 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 
< 1409522618 454959 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, guest. New to esotric as well?
< 1409522626 309120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still in the same place in the sort order, so I think that's what happened.
< 1409522628 379640 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatively
< 1409522647 73269 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've seen anything done by Christian Manahl in the wiki that's me.
< 1409522676 844571 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def backwards bf ,[>,][<.]
< 1409522677 36383 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1409522682 976012 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, but names dont stick with me. I still have a hard time remember who wrote befunge and bf
< 1409522683 500332 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards hello
< 1409522689 805634 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris and... urban?
< 1409522699 1907 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^backwards hello
< 1409522704 558267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def backwards bf ,[>,]<[.<]
< 1409522705 83449 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1409522707 785414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^backwards foo
< 1409522707 941266 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof
< 1409522719 820271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a reimplementation of "rev", though.
< 1409522721 709802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev
< 1409522721 865081 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<]
< 1409522726 615528 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a bf bot?
< 1409522726 771720 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: 30 for l= 1 to 500:next another device it is the vertical direction, the
< 1409522729 775245 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can only mods add function definitions?
< 1409522733 374139 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make sense, anyway
< 1409522748 527621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157: No, it's a free-for-all. Though you can't override built-in commands.
< 1409522754 557310 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm.
< 1409522766 177336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only fizzie can make them _stick_ though.  it's his bot.
< 1409522773 815238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload
< 1409522773 983979 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded.
< 1409522775 781583 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that's why someone resorted to calling a function 'srmlebac'.
< 1409522801 561730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157: the name makes perfect sense actually
< 1409522812 264071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the reverse of... I keep forgetting what the exact relationship is between (scramble, unscramble, srmlebac, uenlsbcmra).
< 1409522833 299204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe scramble and srmlebac are synonyms
< 1409522840 496293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the others are the inverses
< 1409522850 49044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scramble
< 1409522850 240363 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac
< 1409522860 881052 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! ^^
< 1409522862 859876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac scramble
< 1409522863 15248 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac
< 1409522866 576850 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fungot
< 1409522866 757477 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnotgu
< 1409522867 73500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so.
< 1409522867 636679 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask. I've written an interpreter for http://esolangs.org/wiki/Puzzlang (it was unimplemented) and where would be the best place to ask if someone could test it out?
< 1409522877 570020 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I could.
< 1409522899 106251 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the language.
< 1409522902 886640 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I'd appreciate it. It's in lua.
< 1409522904 936836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you test out changing your nick to something that doesn't start with Guest?
< 1409522912 980634 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1409522916 223971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fnotgu
< 1409522916 379562 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fogutn
< 1409522920 17478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fogutn
< 1409522920 173116 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgtnuo
< 1409522924 75569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fgtnuo
< 1409522924 230565 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftuong
< 1409522926 160440 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find it?
< 1409522928 257297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ftuong
< 1409522928 438602 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1409522939 72529 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 NICK :CMM
< 1409522952 303997 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :down on the page I linked under implementations. InPuzzlang
< 1409522953 147190 :CMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 NICK :ChrisMM
< 1409522968 980124 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puzzlang is a bit weird though.
< 1409522986 302796 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there are example scripts on the page.
< 1409522989 344604 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean invalid password
< 1409522994 226308 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1409523062 586512 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructions are in the script source, that's you'll find on github with the link. If anything is less than clear, feedback is greatly appreciated.
< 1409523084 142778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: To answer your earlier question, it's more of a "befunge bot that runs brainfuck/underload" than "brainfuck bot".
< 1409523131 311238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's where the "fung" part of the name comes from.)
< 1409523133 910385 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, name wise. Is it written with mirc script(?) or another?
< 1409523143 780237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in Befunge.
< 1409523148 438160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1409523148 616416 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1409523149 622207 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol cool
< 1409523208 188564 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, even it's interaction (idk) with irc is in befunge.
< 1409523234 935527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: the nick ChrisMM is already registered, but it hasn't been used in so long that you can easily get an admin to release it for you.
< 1409523272 187970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't on the spot remember exactly how you find an admin, again.
< 1409523272 627708 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arright. I don't really care :P
< 1409523279 120886 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not my first choice for username anyway
< 1409523344 489747 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409523367 255108 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409523370 47645 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, daan, getting your code
< 1409523377 693934 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lousy internet connection.
< 1409523383 850143 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Chris :D
< 1409523424 267720 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably shouldn't be giving you too much hope, I know nothing about Lua. I'm just gonna write some Puzzlang stuff and pass it to your code and tell you what happens.
< 1409523460 552363 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first interpreter I've written... though it's more of a translator. It can execute the translated bf code though.
< 1409523462 481092 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409523480 308413 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, no worries, it's impressive
< 1409523484 542992 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 NICK :Daan
< 1409523495 935560 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my first interpreter and was super excited. It's Cork on the wiki.
< 1409523501 458486 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1409523594 557159 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page doesn't seem to link to your implementation  (if I'm looking right)
< 1409523613 673366 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I thought it was a horrible implementation and I vowed I would improve it and I didn't
< 1409523618 195371 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1409523621 58126 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have it saved, though..
< 1409523650 99514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: oh hm i realized my sentence has ambiguous parsing, s/hasn't been used/has been unused/
< 1409523699 835209 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way I interpreted it right
< 1409523702 272722 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409523729 342677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1409523742 642135 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409523818 617980 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409523847 269436 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net NICK :Guest60563
< 1409523855 887026 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't encountered any errors yet, Daan
< 1409523874 27881 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good start.
< 1409523890 651639 :Guest60563!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1409523901 769265 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably rewrite it in python once I learn python again.
< 1409523919 27113 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409523940 396238 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's that important, puzzlang is probably on of the more obscure bf derivitive to be found on the wiki
< 1409523954 314173 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/bMcufWvS
< 1409523957 108907 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God it's horrid
< 1409523975 316165 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, as long as you're having fun programming it's worth it ^^
< 1409523993 885225 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric thing is very fun.
< 1409524003 251254 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem
< 1409524008 619840 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to find the perfect language.
< 1409524012 601855 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I say that
< 1409524028 533900 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE is awesome, but I've spent days trying to make an interpreter in Python and I can't figure it out
< 1409524195 671237 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use your interpreter do I "python interpreter.py script.crk"?
< 1409524252 484396 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because I'm an idiot
< 1409524257 48987 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to manually pass the code as a string to run
< 1409524261 397137 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v_v
< 1409524278 906815 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly why I was too embarrassed to publish it
< 1409524294 280605 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. seems doable to fix it up.
< 1409524298 776408 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yeah, totally
< 1409524317 538071 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool that you've come up with your own language.
< 1409524323 301235 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not there yet.
< 1409524350 318159 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really way way simple
< 1409524378 973074 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm lacking in a bunch of things when it comes to coding, I assure you.
< 1409524388 676210 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't we all.
< 1409524459 876681 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been doing a lot of coding on this school-issued laptop? so I'm not allowed to use command line, I've just been using repl.it
< 1409524610 56981 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one execute the source code that's copy/pasted on the left?
< 1409524618 435829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Daan> Not that it's that important, puzzlang is probably on of the more obscure bf derivitive to be found on the wiki <-- I dunno the competition is fierce hth
< 1409524633 212298 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an arrow up and to the right that runs it in the command line
< 1409524643 505402 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a more obsure bf derivative?
< 1409524653 120570 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the right space
< 1409524659 445631 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish
< 1409524661 909562 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, see it. thanks.
< 1409524676 332007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: yes
< 1409524690 988088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here a False compiler targeting the Java VM, I wonder how complete it is.
< 1409524691 492284 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't think Highly of bf, Id imagine.
< 1409524693 993010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's one of those that ran aground at the bytecode validator due to trying to be overly clever and use the JVM stack directly as the False stack.
< 1409524710 278937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: no we don't think highly of bd _derivatives_.  observe:
< 1409524714 562189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck
< 1409524715 252280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs.
< 1409524721 634633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bf
< 1409524737 230510 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol I thought hackego was a person.
< 1409524750 746969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean they are absolutely _all_ bad, but they're ridiculously overdone.
< 1409524764 72479 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can see that perspective. It was cool learning bf though.
< 1409524766 103114 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Placement
< 1409524806 711933 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, saw that one a bit ago. that'll be hard to test.
< 1409524833 330273 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of the "what colour is the bear" riddle.
< 1409524856 86376 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409524857 834188 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1409524926 996882 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wich esoteric language do you find the most exciting atm, Oerjan?
< 1409524943 156555 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*holds up microphone*
< 1409525095 48270 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :daan: mmu fault handlers
< 1409525145 403324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mμ
< 1409525156 660874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's been a while since i did anything exciting with esolangs
< 1409525181 979027 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing complete
< 1409525201 550851 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what fault handling is (sort of), but that's cool.
< 1409525291 782015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my emmental interpreter of underload may have been the last thing that was really cool
< 1409525296 163234 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu instruction tries to access an address,  mmu looks it up, finds there is no translation for it, causes an "exception", which causes the cpu to push stuff on the stack and jump to a distinguished address (fault handler address, based on an entry in a table in memory)
< 1409525314 267374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a soft spot for underload, though.
< 1409525330 883339 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan.
< 1409525344 450949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsoily
< 1409525407 482823 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409525464 69682 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is all about the stack?
< 1409525479 907072 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote /// in python and lost it and now I have to do it again v_v
< 1409525504 332443 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, sounds very complicated to figure out. It changes with architecture?
< 1409525606 120408 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What capacities do traversables give me that streams don't? Converting from stream to data structure is the big thing I can think of, but considering that I can just have the oriignal object be on hand... hard to think of examples
< 1409525632 37776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing
< 1409525784 704521 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could go through the trouble of creating Applicatives etc. and basically having functionality similar to original van Laarhoven lenses... or I could avoid doing that with no major repercussions?
< 1409525819 469692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm the last thing i have on my website seems to be the resplicate tc proof
< 1409526005 244553 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :resplicate is great. it even has a nice logo to go with it ^^
< 1409526133 580630 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gha what's wrnog with my codeeee
< 1409526159 882337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: yes it's a stack language, although note that it can construct programs on the fly to put there so it's stack use is much more than the numbers of e.g. befunge
< 1409526177 81072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1409526241 136448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not quite understand the hash tables in merge.c
< 1409526266 259307 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1409526784 925362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can see it is based on qsort and strrevcmp which are also some of my idea related to such things
< 1409526886 197364 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev
< 1409526886 392383 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<]
< 1409526937 468370 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1409527003 274523 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409527163 752146 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1409527163 954982 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 backwards 
< 1409527167 363753 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show reverb
< 1409527167 519129 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[..,]
< 1409527205 670728 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show cho
< 1409527205 825940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>]
< 1409527237 833787 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rainbow
< 1409527237 989265 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3>4+6[->+8<],[<4.>[->+>+<2]>2-[-[-[-[-[-[-[<[-]>[-]]]]]]]]<[-<+>2+<]<+>4.[-<2+>3+<]<2+2.[-]>.>2[-<+>]<2,]
< 1409527254 795020 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1409527255 1509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 312315Z 25014G24KT 4SM -TSRA BR BKN020 OVC040 21/19 A2982 RMK SC7SC1 CB EMBDD VIS LWR E PRESRR SLP099 DENSITY ALT 1000FT
< 1409527264 81048 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. -TSRA indeed.
< 1409527277 776366 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1409527326 993501 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does rainbow even do
< 1409527330 172322 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show welcome
< 1409527330 327917 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,]+14[>+8>+4>+7>+6<4-]>2+2.-26.>2+3.+14.+7.<+.>+3.-2.<+2.<.<+4.>3+2.<2.>2+5.<+3.-3.<.+73.+5.>2.<.>-2.-4.<-4.<2.>-5.>2+.-.<.>-2.<-65.<-.+13.>2-10.<.>+4.<2-6.<-2.>2.+69.<2+.>.+5.>.<-2.>+4.>-3.-67.<2-2.<-.-3.-8.>+2.<-6.>-5..>.<+.<+6.>3.<2-2.>-8.<+2.<.>+7.>.<2.-2.>3.<3-.>2+4.<-2.>+4.-2.<-5.>2.<-6.<.>+3.>.<3.+.>+2.<+7.>-.+10.<+.>2+.<2+.>-5.>2+.-.<-31.<2+.>-2.>2.<2-5.+2.+3.>+31.>.<+4.<-4.-8.>+6.+3.<2-2.>-5.>+2.<2-4.+6.-.>3+12.-12.
< 1409527344 709196 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow hello
< 1409527344 905048 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02h03e04l05l06o
< 1409527347 678137 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1409527349 622574 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oH!
< 1409527352 643934 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how!?
< 1409527357 946584 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii doesn't have color support
< 1409527373 223826 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
< 1409527373 413772 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02%03%04%05%06%07%08%09%02%03%04%05%06%07%08%09%02%03%04%05%06%07%08%09%02%03%04%05%06%
< 1409527381 20304 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joys and wonders of IRC.
< 1409527384 470723 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
< 1409527384 683976 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output!
< 1409527392 804455 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: were you ever `relcomed?
< 1409527396 346740 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ChrisMM 
< 1409527397 249872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07ChrisMM: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04<http://esolangs.org/>. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.)
< 1409527397 672073 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 howsthiswork
< 1409527397 903010 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output!
< 1409527404 191178 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 h
< 1409527404 402851 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output!
< 1409527413 366763 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niiiiice ^^
< 1409527436 124248 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show tell
< 1409527436 279715 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think you mean @tell instead?)S
< 1409527443 677077 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1409527448 180097 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1409527448 335443 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 backwards 
< 1409527454 152752 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apologies for my spamming
< 1409527457 251693 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show wc
< 1409527457 407092 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]
< 1409527459 644628 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1409527476 55677 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show uenlsbcmra
< 1409527476 260203 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>]
< 1409527489 744608 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: it's far from the worst spamming we sometimes have. nothing surprising there, and tbh it's quite enjoyable hth
< 1409527500 718902 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffffff
< 1409527504 441034 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, have you read your wisdom PDF today? :D)
< 1409527521 347740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can send such command using private message too if you like to
< 1409527583 186167 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :killjoy :P
< 1409527602 279189 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1409527611 22174 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def output >>++++++++++<<[->+>-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<<]>>[-]>>>++++++++++<[->-[>+>>]>[+[-
< 1409527611 177488 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^def <command> <lang> <code>
< 1409527611 177645 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<+>]>+>>]<<<<<]>[-]>>[>++++++[-<++++++++>]<.<<+>+>[-]]<[<[->-<]++++++[->++++++++
< 1409527611 343040 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<]>.[-]]<<++++++[-<++++++++>]<.[-]<<[-<+>]<
< 1409527651 761227 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def output bf >>++++++++++<<[->+>-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<<]>>[-]>>>++++++++++<[->-[>+>>]>[+[-
< 1409527651 956694 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<+>]>+>>]<<<<<]>[-]>>[>++++++[-<++++++++>]<.<<+>+>[-]]<[<[->-<]++++++[->++++++++
< 1409527651 956879 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa i can rle
< 1409527651 956972 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched [].
< 1409527665 315873 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took you long enough, Fungot.
< 1409527745 706125 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<]>.[-]]<<+6[-<+8>]<.[-]<<[-<+>]<
< 1409527770 570271 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write that.
< 1409527771 922885 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s2g
< 1409527787 257834 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fungot
< 1409527787 413269 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: there are two other lines, see the game paddle input description at 54297 ( d419) for the printer to go back to your program at its full speed. this allows you to read or set this pointer themselves, in fact, the
< 1409527792 474408 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styl
< 1409527795 20607 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1409527795 176257 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1409527802 161831 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin
< 1409527802 317317 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
< 1409527813 476737 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I assumed it would be like the darwin command line
< 1409527820 67040 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot
< 1409527820 222433 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
< 1409527823 100240 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1409527823 289630 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: no, it's not. it's more complex than that. read the code.) good stuff :p anything in the database transactions that have failed due to the error that would otherwise not have to simplify the program will end
< 1409527840 942934 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck
< 1409527841 98337 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673)
< 1409527844 562390 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1409527844 880239 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: that is a winner's attitude, and there is no particularly good human translation for this concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear co
< 1409527863 743961 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot also a google bot?
< 1409527863 948532 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: good idea! the thought of that??? you are quite a sn0b 4h4h4h4 so gull1bl3 beard, he was, in fact, his cadre of fellow wizards for real just like it is for your other artifacts beneath his extremely important
< 1409527876 327558 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're weird fungot
< 1409527876 485995 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: you do a very quick doodle of nothing in here except an opening in the floor. an off-suited king and jack. he came here into our game and caused him to surrender to overwhelming emotions. more problems in the four most vociferous trolls so far, who's not, really,
< 1409527893 745933 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: fungot is fungot. it's all fungot now.
< 1409527893 901763 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but that jackass won't shut up and stop the thief in the throes of an unraveling alibi. " the massacre of syrs gnelph was not as written a message you got, my brother, and we just keep the safe or tub handy or was it?
< 1409527904 130291 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:1cc:2c00:56cf:f803 NICK :CaretVeePomm
< 1409527914 467784 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing but fungot
< 1409527914 623000 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: but it is your journey i am in sports legend, charles. jewels of wisdom. good grief. you can't turn your sylladex
< 1409527928 962410 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1409527929 117828 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1409527935 751039 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speechless
< 1409527935 906212 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1409527941 854278 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches
< 1409527942 9848 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg)
< 1409527950 544943 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots
< 1409527950 736615 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick)
< 1409527955 60201 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style pa
< 1409527955 215602 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: pa (around 1200 transcribed Penny Arcade comics)
< 1409527971 899266 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp
< 1409527972 54824 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
< 1409527978 139210 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher
< 1409527978 294720 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations)
< 1409527984 544609 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon
< 1409527984 700206 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive)
< 1409527992 96497 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft
< 1409527992 252147 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
< 1409527995 817742 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1409527996 595644 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: it was in edward's script. but why had nothing new ever grown over these five acres of grey desolation that sprawled open to the polar sky. ascent was effected over the steep, fnord hillside ending in a very crabbed and archaic hand; and though still walking on automatically, resigned myself to the study of colonial architecture, furniture, and craftsmanship at length crowded everything else from his sphere of interest
< 1409528046 266990 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube
< 1409528046 422607 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
< 1409528051 722076 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is dumb.
< 1409528051 958138 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: it's the paul potts and andrew johnson and plowed into the trees! god bless those onboard!
< 1409528111 933739 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev
< 1409528112 89547 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<]
< 1409528193 607757 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:AndoDaan14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40380 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+84) 10Created page with "Is just starting out in esoteric languages. Has written an [[Puzzlang]] interpreter."
< 1409528215 305653 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's me!
< 1409528228 371951 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kid... I mean, I know what I did.
< 1409528242 51963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SURE
< 1409528245 75211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1409528246 321252 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1409528249 569174 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I register my nick on here?
< 1409528259 30983 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think so... D:
< 1409528315 14087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: it's awkward to define fungot commands that are longer than a single irc line, but you can do it with the str stuff
< 1409528315 169573 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i 3 me and several others here have already explained here that slant eye saying oh no oh no oh no, oh and dont forget to tell the good work guys.
< 1409528318 63970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1409528318 219200 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1409528358 796509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: /msg nickserv help
< 1409528367 345127 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks.
< 1409528388 584888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google How do I register my nick on here?
< 1409528388 963063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://freenode.net/faq.shtml
< 1409528394 642004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thambdabot
< 1409528409 569703 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thanks
< 1409528411 931246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _was_ a good hit
< 1409528495 391235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: i think the faq also has some tips on what to put in your registration
< 1409528517 279503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1409528539 176453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of the server connecting
< 1409528548 242994 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nickserve freenode or actually "nickserve"?
< 1409528561 490320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nickserv"
< 1409528572 969409 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1409528577 368346 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid e
< 1409528611 440555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the freenode network, anyhow (thus my good hit comment)
< 1409528646 318519 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
< 1409528705 683997 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the wrong screen, I think it worked thanks.
< 1409528757 414892 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fungot
< 1409528757 570728 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: andy!!
< 1409528757 773525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/hashtag/fungot
< 1409528769 970640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I've had my nick for more than 10 years.
< 1409528770 595214 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, he has a twitter.
< 1409528790 752275 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no he doesn't.
< 1409528821 135390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he does, it's just not active
< 1409528835 907346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless fizzie has reactivated it recently
< 1409528841 923496 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1409529061 486654 :CaretVeePomm!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:1cc:2c00:56cf:f803 NICK :^4
< 1409529083 962619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somehow doubt that's what those two girls were talking about, though