< 1409443204 794208 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409443221 315020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if you could write that as "if (((int x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL())) && x->foo)" because x isn't used elsewhere < 1409443223 509285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well yeah, nethack is written in ancient C originally, the kind where you had to declare all variables at the beginning of blocks, you couldn't even mix declaratios with statements without adding braces < 1409443225 701251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not int < 1409443226 88002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why (( ))? < 1409443231 974100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if you could write that as "if (((struct bar x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL())) && x->foo)" because x isn't used elsewhere < 1409443238 875369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know in BASIC it will automatically make a pointer to a constant or expression result if you pass such a thing to a subroutine with the parameter declared by references. < 1409443246 603744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if (({ struct bar x = blah(); x && x->foo }))) < 1409443250 219558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's a common C idiom to say "yes I meant to write = not == even though this looks like a conditional" < 1409443254 568392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/x/*x/ < 1409443262 958839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most compilers understand it nowadays, and the code is still correct even in compilers that don't < 1409443273 542280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for humans reading the code, too < 1409443373 367931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people reflex-correct if (x = y) to if (x == y); people are unlikely to make the same change to if ((x = y)) < 1409443391 56312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. ok. gcc usually seems to be happy with just one pair of parentheses. < 1409443403 459823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it varies between compiler < 1409443413 76027 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think with -Wall gcc suggests adding the parens, actually < 1409443414 45722 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1409443416 160035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ((x = accessor_that_might_return_NULL()) && x->foo) < 1409443420 657725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the double pair because it's more informative for humans < 1409443421 632174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see. < 1409443455 560340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... disagree < 1409443460 644752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for triple! < 1409443464 496337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being satisfied with just a single pair of parentheses is a bit odd, admittedly, given the precedences of =, == and &&) < 1409443482 768111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so long as you don't use four < 1409443490 189022 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four's a good number tho < 1409443503 350428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: Radixal!!!! begs to differ with you < 1409443514 328193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we put four exclamation marks in the name of that language just because it was the smallest number we couldn't otherwise justify < 1409443522 177041 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :radixal!!!! can fuck itself if it's not down with the four < 1409443543 776162 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Four < 1409443556 220134 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto china < 1409443607 544204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice way of offending almost 20% of the world's population. < 1409443915 215571 :boily_!~alexandre@64.56.251.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409444062 939646 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-65-50.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409444090 692821 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :Uomoletale < 1409444215 972945 :Uomoletale!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1409444349 399104 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409444550 932505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409444566 263234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409444922 261808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409444930 621890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily_ < 1409445170 455399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409445181 79583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409445274 347658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Forth-based compiler could have an intermediate code which is tha used in the Forth system, and using the executable intermediate code, once it is finished it analyze it to generate the target code. < 1409445600 415713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If not "int x", certainly not "struct bar x" either; it's no more pointery or applicable to ->. < 1409445615 219982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1409445617 804463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct bar *x? < 1409445633 68910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when you try to write examples without an actual program in mind and without a typechecker to help you < 1409445796 477279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: compound literals are lvalues, so you can write (int){ 1 } = 2; -- not that it's particularly useful. < 1409445853 836073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you clarify what language dialect you mean for that? < 1409445879 817495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 at least, but I assume it hasn't changed from C99. < 1409445912 633731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they're lvalues so you can take pointers to them, presumably < 1409445921 477853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok < 1409445948 500935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I assume (int){ 1 } = 2 is legal but has no visible effect? and (volatile int){ 1 } = 2 is forced to write a 2 to a memory location that previously contained a 1, but has no other effect? < 1409446078 197880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1409446113 846577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another intersting tidbit is that compound literals qualified with const are explicitly allowed to not be distinct. < 1409446130 76587 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the whole point of const < 1409446133 528660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION compiles "int main(void) { (volatile int){1} = 2; return 0; }" < 1409446139 123518 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. part of it < 1409446140 584963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does indeed pick a memory address, and write 1 and 2 to it < 1409446143 88434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try with optimization < 1409446155 812599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it optimized it out entirely < 1409446157 308237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a bug < 1409446181 894576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try with a real variable? < 1409446191 541214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and are you compiling as C or as C++? < 1409446195 20540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: C < 1409446212 206101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, has to be C, that partiular thing you wrote is probably a syntax error in C++ < 1409446228 984207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: with a real variable, it does indeed assign 1 and 2 to a memory address on the stack < 1409446266 660675 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat NICK :Guest49267 < 1409446269 468722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1409446272 790170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1409446297 856927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask comp.lang.c < 1409446325 690663 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be a bug? you can't do anything with the literal < 1409446413 134374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "volatile" means that you have to do all the actual reads and writes to the memory address at some point < 1409446466 440965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "What constitutes an access to a volatile-qualified object is implementation-specific," so there's an universal cop-out of everything. < 1409446478 118691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure I believe it means that anymore < 1409446489 787859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that might have been what it originally meant, used for hardware stuff, < 1409446490 912314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, yes, but I think it's actually defined by gcc < 1409446545 757470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think these days volatile just means the effect has to be visible from a signal handler or backwards < 1409446549 205553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1409446573 889445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, gcc's description is mostly talking about volatile objects not being memory barriers with respect to non-volatile objects < 1409446579 449510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might inhibit some optimizatios, it probably doesn't inhibit all < 1409446595 492158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it sort of has to do barrier stuff for the signal handle semantics < 1409446610 305081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is stupid < 1409446625 365064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is defining its concept of volatile accesses in terms of what it counts as an access in the C code < 1409446628 917740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the effect on the underlying memory < 1409446677 928091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's complicated. I don't pretend to really understand all of this < 1409446710 508512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, you can prove equal things about the compound literal as you could about a named "volatile int i", so arguably the behavior should be identical too. < 1409446745 865264 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1409446870 431325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you sure? < 1409446886 583583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, clang does store a 1 and a 2 into memory for that program < 1409446909 89995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: obviously it's allowed to do that < 1409446939 884076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1409446942 741718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Reasonably sure. Why would the named object be any different? < 1409446943 52896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean, it doesn't optimize it out < 1409446986 911826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno, I'm not really sure about how C99 compound literals work < 1409446997 287452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you take their address? < 1409447000 133104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1409447038 169099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the main reason to use them < 1409447038 324532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They work almost exactly as if you had a named object (with some arbitrary name) declared in the smallest enclosing scope. < 1409447057 3704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas they work differently in C++, because destructors and rvalue references screw everything up < 1409447059 484910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be something related to where the initializer gets evaluated that you couldn't accomplish with a named object. < 1409447076 661538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc's documentation has an outright note warning people not to create anonymous arrays in C++ < 1409447080 633855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it nearly always doesn't do what you expect < 1409447234 886941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perhaps a slight shame they didn't provide for a way to declare compound literals with static storage inside functions. < 1409447269 421432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is, you can't do something like return (const int[]){ 1, 2, 3, 0 }; from a function returning const int *. < 1409447289 735142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just declare a named variable for that? < 1409447313 273307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: static? ugh < 1409447313 429142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but that's as applicable to compound literals in general. < 1409447320 131705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should declare storage into the scope that called the function < 1409447345 280954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if alloca can do that, why can't I?) < 1409447416 879580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is this too evil? (const int *)"\1\0\0\0\2\0\0\0\3\0\0\0\0\0\0" < 1409447441 308016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that won't work on many systems < 1409447442 787960 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main is usually a function < 1409447458 383310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I /love/ the way you use the implicit \0 at the end of the string as part of an integer < 1409447488 422486 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409447535 946345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, if you want to make it more portable, add some ?: dispatching on endianness and sizeof, pushing all unhandled cases to abort < 1409447570 555162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1409447581 699795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is not just endianness and size, right? it's alignment < 1409447585 669461 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1409447588 550148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also CHAR_BIT < 1409447599 61653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way you can force the string literal to be aligned to more than a char < 1409447606 389216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in the particular case of (1, 2, 3)… < 1409447618 778142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sure there is < 1409447635 928259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fit four or more copies of the array into one string, at different alignments < 1409447642 188911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, true < 1409447658 289884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at runtime, you can check the value of the actual pointer, run alignof to figure out what alignment you need, then pick an appropriate copy < 1409447662 991531 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-234-22.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409447669 380952 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the fact that C does not actually place any restrictions on the actual representation of an int. < 1409447670 792340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can't (reasonably) do arithmetic related to absolute addresses, however. < 1409447696 696296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can cast to intptr_t; if the type exists, then that cast is normally likely to be sane < 1409447707 623303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "likely", but not required. < 1409447708 554968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it does, it requires it to be a whole number of bits < 1409447714 207519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more than some esolangs manage < 1409447721 598857 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, right, it does do that. < 1409447734 200479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also requires it to have at most one sign bit. < 1409447735 133173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*smirk* < 1409447735 981455 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some limitations, but very minimal ones. < 1409447746 951757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, exactly one, if it's signed. < 1409447757 258934 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not really. It doesn't require signedness to be implemented that way. :) < 1409447767 604401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes really. < 1409447770 607504 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have data be represented in different ways at different times? for example, have the data in a register variable look different from that in memory, as long as it converts for you < 1409447772 911343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I started? < 1409447773 906758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't C99 require it to be two's-complement, one's-complement, or sign-magnitude? < 1409447776 901739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1409447777 166777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a strong requirement < 1409447783 888919 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the channel does t his every week anyway < 1409447785 791827 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 requires arithmetic to behave as such. < 1409447787 332609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I don't think it requires all the bits to be used < 1409447790 747294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know < 1409447793 441672 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not require the *representation* to map to that. < 1409447796 643672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's #esoteric so it's no sin < 1409447801 824995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "For signed integer types, the bits of the object representation shall be divided into three groups: value bits, padding bits, and the sign bit." < 1409447809 226744 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... BLAH < 1409447812 127542 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct. < 1409447814 877409 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEAKING OF WHICH, LET US DISCUSS THE ACCURACY OF FLOATING POINT IRRATIONAL FUNCTIONS < 1409447825 582503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's a great quote about that, let me find it < 1409447844 67590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, yes, I know, that's why I'm saying you need conditionals to check the representation on abi-dependent ways, and abort in all cases you can't handle < 1409447844 410586 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1409447859 874576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trigonometric functions (5200), (5210), and (5220) will return erroneous results when given very large arguments. At magnitudes around 8 million or so, the result is occasionally off by one bit. The errors get progressively worse, so that with magnitudes in the neighborhood of the quintillions and higher, the number is wholly inaccurate. However, at magnitudes around 8 million, there is already a difference of over 20pi between consecutive < 1409447861 517942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating-point numbers, so it is hard to conceive of a purpose for which improved accuracy would be useful. < 1409447929 671040 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Where's that quote from? < 1409447932 797501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically that paragraph's GPL, so I'd better attribute it: https://gitorious.org/intercal/intercal/source/56c660c5eb21938faea7c3550713c1e0b395e5b9:pit/lib/floatlib.doc) < 1409447938 369076 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah. < 1409447945 438302 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful < 1409447951 498925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a while to find an online link, linking to my hard drive wouldn't help so much < 1409447963 732965 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How not-IEEE. < 1409447982 808831 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's IEEE require again < 1409447986 395633 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, wait, no, I don't think IEEE says much on the trig functions. < 1409447987 928220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in vaguely IEEE format, but doesn't have infinities or denormalized numbers < 1409447999 611577 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, no, it does. < 1409448001 237134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there was a /huge/ row about denormalized numbers back when they were invented < 1409448009 642435 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Error within 1 ULP on those. < 1409448034 6749 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum. < 1409448045 82508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Around 8 million, difference over 20pi between consecutive floats? These are some really sucky floats. < 1409448048 304572 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On some of the primitives (basic arithmetic, basically) it requires exact results, rounded. < 1409448048 459887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:20:00] ,cc double d = 8000000, e = nextafter(d, INFINITY); printf("%.10f", e - d); < 1409448051 593834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:20:01] fizzie: 0.0000000009 < 1409448054 96685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:20:03] ,cc float d = 8000000, e = nextafter(d, INFINITY); printf("%.10f", e - d); < 1409448057 75013 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you seen kahan's papers, they're hilariously ranty < 1409448057 230296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:20:05] fizzie: 0.5000000000 < 1409448057 385667 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Single precision? < 1409448059 378953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there still is. it's not settled. < 1409448071 154209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's still just 0.5 for IEEE 32-bit binary. < 1409448093 269538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "million" may well be a typo, come to think of it < 1409448118 257715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Huh, that should've been nextafterf. I wonder how it worked.) < 1409448130 388344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c float d = 8000000000.f, e = nextafterf(d, INFINITY); printf("%.10f", e-d); < 1409448134 354673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is nextafter in tgmath? < 1409448141 135165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one way it theoretically could work < 1409448159 155762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably C++ < 1409448163 199281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1409448164 52929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1409448166 551054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, but I don't think it's in the standard includes. < 1409448182 826865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is. It's C11 by default, at least. < 1409448210 959731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it includes both and . < 1409448235 335453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fun fact about IEEE representation: not counting the boundary conditions, nextafter(f, INFINITY) = *(float *)&(int){ *(int *)&f + 1 } < 1409448253 968191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any int and float with the same size as each other < 1409448279 955314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the same endianness. < 1409448294 581774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1409448309 222067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a platform with different endianness on int and float would be insane, but IIRC they exist < 1409448336 20174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it seems the C++ standard has nextafter, so it would use the float version in C++ too < 1409448336 482697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't give an example offhand, but I think there were some. < 1409448364 932329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's completely softfloat, the choice is quite arbitrary, that might be one way to get there. < 1409448389 780479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, EgoBot isn't here < 1409448390 250974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not entirely arbitrary, I'm sure it's easier if you don't need to byteswap after extracting the components. < 1409448392 305681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder it ignored the !c < 1409448406 735166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wouldn't you need a std::? < 1409448438 815502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my brain's saying "platform with different byte size between int and float" < 1409448442 328576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty sure C doesn't allow that < 1409448466 928446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: normally yes, but maybe not if you #include , and definitely not in some of the irc bots < 1409448486 35849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You could "emulate" it by adding suitable padding bits, however. < 1409448500 671805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you do a C-style #include in C++ (i.e. #include not #include ), you get all the symbols in it imported < 1409448513 295032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably for C and old-C++ compatibility < 1409448625 472193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think even padding bits are not allowed to change if you access the object representation via char * (and don't do anything to the object between), so you couldn't just not store them for objects of type int. < 1409448629 922029 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409448670 92271 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Old ARM ABI had different endianness for double and long long, if that counts. :) < 1409448693 535839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: was one of them middle-endian? < 1409448711 96456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean mixed endian? < 1409448712 755963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they'd have to be, or else float and int would also have to be different (I'm pretty sure ARM doesn't have 32-bit chars) < 1409448728 664950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: middle-endian is when the byte order is something like 2143 rather than 1234 or 4321 < 1409448734 637246 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. But it was damned friggin' weird. < 1409448748 16712 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The byte order IIRC was something like 43218765 < 1409448774 311041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's middle-endian too < 1409448789 517831 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409448795 312586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I thoguht that's called mixed endian < 1409448825 839636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia recognizes "mixed-endian" as synonym for "middle-endian". < 1409448875 158638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a bi-endian chip with a hardware floating point, does the endianness toggle generally affect floats too? < 1409449005 728626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you'll have to ask the particular hardware. < 1409449017 934543 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno about "in general", but I'm quite certain it does on PowerPC. < 1409449033 1617 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The endian toggle was done on the data bus there. < 1409449143 165282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1409449151 137328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the data bus? < 1409449156 139416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense to me < 1409449170 134693 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't work well. :) < 1409449215 534076 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sorry, misremembered. < 1409449287 73777 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did a xor on the address's three lower bits, which required the motherboard to *also* do a byte swap when talking to hardware. < 1409449325 475168 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... flipping weird. < 1409449516 131183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409449590 608324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409449805 554425 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists < 1409449841 217701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lolol" < 1409449845 4401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: forall a. [[[a]]] < 1409449926 348436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: those pages keep getting created and deleted < 1409449964 302315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one seems to have survived three AfDs < 1409450044 377691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a totally random note, should not the article be a member of itself? It doesn't distinguish that it must be a list of lists of non-lists. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 00:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC) < 1409450104 139772 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1409450128 693260 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very tempted to put a "See also" link on "Russel's Paradox" to the edit where that comment was added < 1409450140 124979 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409450173 538334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't, [[WP:SELFREF]] < 1409450209 2205 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409450219 133246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, srlink still exists < 1409450221 350170 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1409450239 245480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I'm unexpectedly happy about discovering that the bits of Wikipedia's architecture I'm responsible for still exist < 1409450305 25432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that feeling :) < 1409450307 734691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can't you work that around by saying something like [[w:List of Lists of Lists|List of Lists of Lists]] or possibly some more complicated interwiki link? < 1409450337 510924 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409450345 267464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not a technical restriction; I invented srlink to solve the technical problems < 1409450355 827240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a policy restriction < 1409450361 433310 :boily__!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409450365 764649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stuff that happens on Wikipedia" is not normally what an article is about < 1409450378 889195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh < 1409450385 632870 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The goal is that if you link "Wikipedia" from an article about Wikipedia, it should go to Wikipedia, even on a mirror < 1409450397 452176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but isn't List of Lists of Lists already mostly about lists in wikipedia? < 1409450420 900661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's a navigation page < 1409450429 674354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you have to imagine a Wikipedia fork < 1409450436 74400 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409450438 595366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should the reference go to "this site", or "Wikipedia" < 1409450443 769861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's the latter, you use {{srlink}} < 1409450471 661655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, whatever, it's way too late I should go to bed < 1409450474 220517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gbye < 1409450493 36166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, looks like my AfD system is still in place, too; quite surprising for something so major < 1409450500 98481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, I didn't design what the system does, just implemented it < 1409450540 269749 :boily_!~alexandre@64.56.251.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409450606 661768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:AfD_debates_%28Indiscernible_or_unclassifiable_topic%29 is often hilarious reading, although it's not so great right now < 1409450677 882594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what WT:RFA is like nowadays < 1409450693 770551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT that page has just had one discussion, which has probably lasted over a decade by now < 1409451559 673776 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still sad that BJAODN is gone < 1409451575 58209 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1409451575 507823 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Best_of_BJAODN < 1409451775 559374 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this still part of Wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Water_on_mars.jpg < 1409451874 69696 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409451895 754847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a collection of the best jokes and nonsense from Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense. The criterion for a joke getting on this page is simple: at least one Wikipedian found it funny." < 1409451929 351008 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Because *any* community will eventually develop its own injokes and humour < 1409451941 46531 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia just shoves them off to the WP: namespace where they won't hurt anyone < 1409451972 636279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shocking how many things were moved to BJAODN with /nobody at all/ being amused by them < 1409451978 590355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because people thought that's where they belonged < 1409452008 588496 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.wiki/Emu < 1409452020 127037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hahahaha < 1409452072 959160 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409452119 619990 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, .wiki is a thing < 1409452130 458347 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Two Wiki rule will need updating < 1409452139 746906 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two Wiki rule? < 1409452158 277035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every subject has exactly two wikis, one on a major site like Wikia, one independent < 1409452162 373285 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1409452189 280145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, wikia < 1409452205 798457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scow of wiki websites < 1409452207 511685 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409452248 43948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the Two Wiki rule can be explained by people forking the Wikia wiki once it gets at all popular < 1409452259 627461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1409452268 529258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :google still finds nethack.wikia.com results and it's very irritating < 1409452279 545593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i delete two characters to get to the good wiki. this is probably a common experience < 1409452279 874747 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still update nethack.wikia.com < 1409452308 944090 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, Creatures wiki forked away recently < 1409452318 59648 :boily__!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quinthellopia. will quinthelloïfy you again tomorrow. I need sleep. goodnight! < 1409452329 20583 :boily__!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 QUIT :Quit: YAKUMAN CHICKEN < 1409452365 512763 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409453349 508286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a copy of the Water on Mars picture anyways, so even if it is deleted, I have a copy < 1409453698 962820 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409453771 908176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If endianness of CPU can be selected at runtime then it could probably be useful for making a bi-endian Z-machine implementation. Doing this probably is not particularly useful though; no existing story file is small-endian, no existing interpreter is small-endian, no existing compiler is small-endian, and this feature was removed since EZIP. < 1409453817 632232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409453836 408267 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... bi-endian Z-machine? < 1409453839 152404 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeep. < 1409453910 849203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-machine is normally only big-endian. However, ZIP (but not EZIP and newer) has a header bit to specify small-endian. This was never used, and as far as I know Aimfiz (my own implementation) is the only implementation that even checks this (although it will display an error message if it is found to be small-endian). < 1409454960 582465 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1409455479 39749 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existence of the Finnish language < 1409456294 83124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting pretty good at locating minibrots < 1409456376 40977 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409456924 585585 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409456931 252677 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409458196 538793 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409458474 212324 :weissschloss!~viskestel@li607-220.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1409459705 357324 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an informal way to translate from van Laarhoven lenses to pure profunctor lenses, conceptually? I think I understand van Laarhoven optics a bit better < 1409459790 523696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only pure profunctor lenses had gotten named after me... < 1409459999 224554 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of funny hearing about things named after twan < 1409460011 430911 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I know him from an entirely different context < 1409460047 97320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then they would've been kicking ass < 1409460078 567808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing the oerjanpun here < 1409460085 277008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1409460110 21861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reading it aloud, perhaps in an outrageous accent. < 1409460131 592581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1409460134 653787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a stretch hth < 1409460139 344545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1409460422 200489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i been kicking a stab < 1409460634 802157 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what a papentnesis is? < 1409460653 861905 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the word in a chinglish instruction set and have not been able to decode it < 1409460671 204271 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...a parenthesis? < 1409460679 143673 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be an OCR error < 1409460715 878412 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense in context < 1409460736 304228 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least... hmm < 1409460745 158968 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to double-check it again, maybe it does < 1409460811 760030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidinese < 1409460845 425241 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was in the same sentence as "is the romanized", so maybe it was trying to explain the use of roman/chinese characters with one in parentheses < 1409460927 207095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :paрentнesis < 1409461548 506147 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papen thesis < 1409461863 317282 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can learn COBOL, or at least vaguely understand it, why shouldn't I do the same with MUMPS? < 1409462340 379582 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409462346 252923 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409462664 34464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: was this in an advertisement for pectopahs? < 1409462992 959332 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409464942 781968 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409465110 843272 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nethack4 reasonably playable on server? < 1409465121 126798 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do I need to be scared of bugs? < 1409465225 739604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grid bug bites! You get zapped! < 1409465450 437827 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to (S)ave to stop viewing a game? < 1409467449 871232 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it's reasonably playable, there are still potentially some bad bugs but nothing's likely to ruin your game < 1409467456 541806 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you press S to stop interacting with a game < 1409467532 469985 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, we have a policy of rewinding a save file if you die due to a bug, but haven't had to use it for ages < 1409467536 100918 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug in the code, that is < 1409467725 814663 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the watch interface could do with improvement < 1409467740 175352 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem with how things work at the moment, is that the game saves continuously, so S actually quits < 1409467769 729395 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it naturally ended up quitting the other followmodes (watch, replay) too, and there was no need to reimplement separate code for quitting those < 1409467795 359024 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, S is implemented as breaking the connection to the game, because the game saves continuously and so there's no need for a separate saving step) < 1409468040 522381 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No bugs likely to ruin the server if I idle either, right? < 1409468079 525758 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are all these games I see just save files idling, or is someone actively playing? < 1409468085 183288 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no; the server process will close after 10 minutes or so, assuming you're playing 4.3, not sure what'll happen to the client process but it shouldn't ruin the client or game either way < 1409468085 558509 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I tried a few with no action going on < 1409468099 664650 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the server can't distinguish idling from playing; however, they're sorted by last-modified date < 1409468112 699565 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it can't distinguish them from game's nobody's playing < 1409468117 559978 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely there's no action right now < 1409468124 11340 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks < 1409468185 68669 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was someone active about 35 minutes before you joined, but nobody but you's active right now < 1409469732 271343 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409470262 147839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1409471225 994676 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409471661 508598 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54faa3-2.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409472694 987278 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrsapbdfodtthygi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1409472746 369769 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1409473060 604624 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409473613 503906 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone recommend a text editor that's good to use over a slow ssh connection? < 1409473647 223655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does vi qualify? < 1409473669 267869 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409473672 548229 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "good to use over a slow ssh connection" implies "good to use" < 1409473680 756981 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409473733 720182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for me < 1409473740 229436 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can say yes from experience. I have easier time predicting the lagged state in it than other editors. < 1409473742 176591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is also available hth < 1409473755 151092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion < 1409473758 953496 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1409473777 174464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel about chu spaces today < 1409473795 435759 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trains are nice, i guess. < 1409473797 562005 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409473812 937796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like trains #trains is the channel for you < 1409473863 33484 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about if i like #trains? < 1409473873 662835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works too < 1409473884 81439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if running something under screen can optimize updates for slow links. I have this feeling it anecdotally helped with a 19.2kbps physical terminal. < 1409473886 329591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hashtag #irc < 1409473918 438755 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Also, use mosh. < 1409473921 532321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you see my cyrillic above < 1409473930 807609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't actually make sense but i thought of you < 1409473932 623425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :last -cl < 1409473936 516199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse < 1409473940 224492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw it. < 1409474055 229087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to say I didn't notice that the р wasn't a p. < 1409474070 996217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1409474092 877766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of thing you usually notice < 1409474110 165240 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, the connection is stable and I doubt mosh improves ping time < 1409474141 477335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Intelligent local echo, man! < 1409474176 943217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intelligent Local Echo Man would be a good name for a superhero < 1409474235 85469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, well, I just assumed it's all mixed up anyway, due to the s's and such. (Though apparently there's ѕ, the Cyrillic small letter dze, in Macedonian.) < 1409474245 84137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙃ is a v. fancy letter. < 1409474254 618071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1409474266 119163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "dzelo" from Cyrillic Extended-B. < 1409474274 527023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYRILLIC FANCY LETTER DZELO < 1409474388 312123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying that less escapes it. < 1409474400 647470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even less -R -f # is there an option to have less not escape it? < 1409474414 505362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, -r doesn't. < 1409474426 33501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -r doesn't escape anything, not even the \a < 1409474443 4943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the backspace. < 1409474517 210429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I'll try it for a while. < 1409474698 302837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "LESSUTFBINFMT=*n%lc less ..." hth < 1409474726 478713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps quote the * if you have a habit of having a lot of files ending in n%lc. < 1409474765 1845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1409474768 887485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also only if your C library's wint_t matches with Unicode, I guess. < 1409474792 959188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the multibyteness might confuse less' idea of line width, for all I know. < 1409474820 115456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my file is made up of lines like "004D LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M [M]" < 1409474878 1377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably add more information, since Unicode provides so much more. < 1409474914 305161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just keep a copy of UnicodeData.txt, though the fields aren't exactly obvious to remember, and it's missing the preview. < 1409474938 579944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My file is UnicodeData.txt processed by a 5-line script. < 1409474944 518168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I should extract more information. < 1409474958 192136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format is based on a much older Perl script I used to use. < 1409474992 719661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does this *n%lc thing work? < 1409475091 613500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*n is just "use normal formatting", and the rest is a printf string that it "applies to Unicode code points that were successfully decoded but are unsuitable for display". < 1409475105 679688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why doesn't it do it for ^A? < 1409475116 512673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's already suitable for display as ^A? < 1409475120 531779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1409475137 568900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's BINFMT for "regular" control/binary characters, I think that has precedence. < 1409475164 81043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the defaults are different, <%02X> vs. . < 1409475170 354041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, LESSBINFMT. < 1409475192 413326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works too. < 1409475208 255907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convincing less that CYRILLIC FANCY LETTER DZELO is not "unsuitable for display" would be a better solution. < 1409475208 991136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NamesList.txt has a lot of useful information. < 1409475221 355808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I put that in my file it would probably be way too big. < 1409475243 967711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, NamesList.txt is so great < 1409475331 881575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just use that. < 1409475339 763308 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1409475359 777043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your task is to invent the best file to use for unicode activities < 1409475403 306849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :improving on the ui of less is difficult < 1409475410 597945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do easily, i mean < 1409476021 275260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used gucharmap occasionally for "Unicode activities" (nice euphemism). < 1409476033 146834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a nice "character details" tab. < 1409476441 319097 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409476716 569277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, will keep it in mind < 1409476814 911953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of wish there was a standard glyph for every byte from 0 to 255 < 1409477081 33392 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Traversals cannot be turned into streams? < 1409477094 313664 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Traversables < 1409477260 52111 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, to Haskellers, I guess Stream implies being infinite. What traversables cannot be turned into lists? < 1409477278 580997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a trick question? < 1409477312 996256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you're aware of toListOf (and probably toList) because you talked about it earlier. < 1409477411 600601 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to ascertain if in fact having (SomeClass p, Profunctor p) => p a b -> p (Stream a) (Stream b) is sufficient. < 1409477426 292662 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where Stream means Racket stream, not Haskell Stream) < 1409477518 408108 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I also need to be able to go from that list to the same traversable... < 1409477550 870345 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that list containing modifications + the original < 1409477632 933639 :mr45!~mr45@cpc27-hudd10-2-0-cust346.4-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409477784 288072 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409477818 833754 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the core of the problem with just using a list? < 1409477874 847834 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems so much easier to think about these things when I think in terms of 'primitive' things, like Profunctor p, Strength p => p a b -> p (a, o) (b, o) being the primitive lens. < 1409477920 46480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already mentioned class Travy p where trav :: Traversable f => p a b -> p (f a) (f b) < 1409478008 877524 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm aware, Racket does not natively have Traversable, and I'm having a bit of difficulty visualizing how to bring them in < 1409478028 454665 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because I tend to think of Applicative as 'side-effect' < 1409478029 984442 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1409478184 76899 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409478554 610218 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409478569 963101 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409479548 310789 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1409480535 225613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40372&oldid=40365 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+175) 10/* Method reference */ environment < 1409480622 594030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40373&oldid=40372 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+107) 10/* Command reference */ nested string < 1409480648 178355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40374&oldid=40373 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1) 10/* Command reference */ < 1409480731 885309 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409480817 609113 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409480829 479198 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409480892 618960 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409481082 963396 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409481390 943977 :Sorella!~quildreen@191.185.197.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409481529 81029 :Sorella!~quildreen@191.185.197.120 QUIT :Changing host < 1409481529 277353 :Sorella!~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1409481629 610231 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409481638 762366 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409481638 918033 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT! < 1409481660 290585 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi DootBot < 1409481660 446226 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: lotid, the could R! !befunge98 DOOT DOOT! found with Black! lol pressed about Dootbot aom's are? < 1409481755 476330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say something clever to offset that. < 1409481756 81148 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: later tell arcfide or: there's an siqm too? i just found it through the piecewise function? < 1409481764 365423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...that was disappointing. < 1409481764 520958 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it's not < 1409481769 703749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, it is! < 1409481770 218358 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i invite you to write it would be stupid. :p how so? ( if f f). then our asses are out raped. < 1409482142 610904 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409482645 496009 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409482645 688398 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO J_ARCANE! < 1409482798 608138 :ttest!~x@dsl-espbrasgw1-50de2c-103.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409482798 800947 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO TTEST! < 1409482802 170172 :ttest!~x@dsl-espbrasgw1-50de2c-103.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1409482802 803561 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: watch your language < 1409482803 96875 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: something like that. although i omitted to mention plt, i don't < 1409482812 261226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think unsolicited auto-HELLOes are very appropriate. < 1409482868 250065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Don't you agree that bots should not speak unless spoken to? < 1409482868 771483 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i still don't really see the advantage of interpreting machine-generated s-expressions instead of machine-generated bytecode is :) i haven't needed for over half a semitone. like < 1409483139 527720 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chanserv already generates a greeting to the #esoteric channel. < 1409483279 278257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel a bit iffy about the chanserv greeting too, but I suppose it can be useful, and at least it doesn't clutter the channel, since it's directly to the joining user. < 1409483304 835394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please don't take this as a recommendation to make the bot do HELLO in a private message.) < 1409483410 274449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please turn it off. < 1409483413 167022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with the caps. < 1409483417 121015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a public HELLO also transforms a low-importance event (a join) into a normal-importance one (new messages), causing the channel to show up in status bar activity things and the like. < 1409483630 289966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote even when < 1409483631 262268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :398) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] You've just gave me a different result [...] It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. \ 461) I gave her the Noblesse Oblige room < 1409483749 115394 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409483763 309686 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLOs disabled :P < 1409483794 895997 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409483796 608012 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT! < 1409485279 598393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40375&oldid=40374 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+156) 10/* Method reference */ < 1409486338 265084 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409486340 330053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40376&oldid=40375 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+308) 10/* Example code/Custom variable manipulation command */ new section < 1409486400 469259 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've all probably seen this but: < 1409486415 287224 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust inspired game - http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/36645/brainfedbotsforbattling-a-brainf-tournament < 1409486523 218834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409486543 837507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40377&oldid=40376 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+57) 10/* See also */ new section < 1409486951 262330 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1409487976 316570 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote swede in # < 1409487976 954910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1409487988 692934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote in my prose < 1409487989 332544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1138) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1409488154 117088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that Unicode specifies 4 invisible maths operators < 1409488172 152449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposal for U+2061 to be in Haskell prelude as a synonym for $ < 1409488242 339865 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it should bind much more tightly. < 1409488257 804744 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it should bind even more tightly than the juxtaposition operator. < 1409488384 255476 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1409488410 471861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't FUNCTION APPLICATION have the word INVISIBLE in it? < 1409488483 221868 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if FUNCTION APPLICATION did have the word INVISIBLE in it, there would be an index such that the nine-character substring of FUNCTION APPLICATION at that index is INVISIBLE. < 1409488487 975267 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there is no such index. < 1409488700 549263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40378&oldid=40377 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+988) 10/* Examples/Infix expression parser */ new section < 1409489094 113618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40379&oldid=40378 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-10) 10/* Infix expression parser */ made it shorter < 1409489149 48359 :mr45!~mr45@cpc27-hudd10-2-0-cust346.4-1.cable.virginm.net PART :#esoteric < 1409489158 874578 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYE MR45! < 1409489165 226680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409489203 724339 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl > 1409489203 990233 NAMES :#esoteric < 1409489214 74076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1409489228 286022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I was intending to do a nick-based thing. Never trust ChanServ, I guess. < 1409489234 127235 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl > 1409489234 150760 NAMES :#esoteric < 1409489258 60601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly not doing it for everyone, i wonder what triggers it < 1409489280 484841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there were any other /parts. < 1409489283 300462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just /quits. < 1409489291 584543 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPERIMENT TIME < 1409489292 891131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1409489293 745624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1409489296 254050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1409489300 183467 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BYE TANEB! < 1409489300 338755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1409489300 624798 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!leave < 1409489308 324326 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART #esoteric :"DOOT DOOT goodbye!" < 1409489322 823950 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What use is a BYE? < 1409489341 708587 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot should send the message immediately *before* the person leaves. < 1409489423 220459 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409489423 400837 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT! < 1409489482 957819 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409489488 635497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it should send the message "YOU'RE THE WEAKEST LINK. GOODBYE!" and kick the person immediately before the person leaves. < 1409489518 896179 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, IRC lacks an MTG stack. < 1409489544 259314 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can do that < 1409489548 818812 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409489564 484146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think it does have one, but only the server has access to instants < 1409489579 980837 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTG stack, n. A stack containing attempted actions, such that once an action is attempted, it goes onto the stack and others may attempt further actions while the action is still on the stack. < 1409489601 193840 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :An action is carried out when it leaves the stack. < 1409489636 297289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be more precise, only the local server can cast commands as a reaction, not clients or remote servers < 1409489705 115296 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reminded of the E programming language. < 1409489750 428490 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution consists of a series of "game turns". Each game turn consists of taking an action from the job queue and executing it, possibly thereby adding more actions to the job queue. < 1409489824 938412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409489825 382216 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409489874 500201 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: isn't that suspiciously similar to a plain old push-down? < 1409489885 352204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409489897 254861 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1409489909 977597 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Execution within a job is LIFO, but the order among jobs is FIFO. < 1409489915 857618 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which "that"? < 1409489917 323797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we call it MTG 6E stack just like how I call the (int volatile){1} from yesterday a C99 compound literal? < 1409489962 709176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1409490025 556352 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the that that refered to the fact that a task may push additional tasks onto the execution stack. < 1409490043 292109 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is a compound literal? < 1409490043 681873 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the cps make it non-c? < 1409490054 744905 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1409490057 458207 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but the job queue is a queue, not a stack. < 1409490082 797782 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. well. uhm. then... uuuuuh... < 1409490083 350367 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's a partially ordered queue that happens to be implemented as a queue. < 1409490154 453066 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a certain norwegian would say, “okay”. < 1409490168 699340 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quinthellopia! I am (somewhat) awake today. < 1409490223 215085 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409490389 230231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhelloily < 1409490404 567506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, funghellot < 1409490404 828610 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: cf. f. n ( fnord < 1409490428 477140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you watch Countdown? < 1409490429 142746 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it doesn't say anything explicitly ( only for *very* large projects like gimp or gtk+ and they simply start to split up fnord :) you already call two internal lambdas, just make it < 1409490438 879994 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1409490439 35518 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1409490763 525060 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1409490829 456586 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409490878 687347 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1409491324 931168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1409491325 86623 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1409491326 325930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So how about that weather we've been having? < 1409491326 766276 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good lord where does it end you know where all the action is a really big airport like really early laughter < 1409491343 911149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, tell me about it. < 1409491344 105465 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think that um noise i like to travel um < 1409491348 742248 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1409491348 897665 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: drive the way they tested because they have um lipsmack < 1409491355 759327 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :um fungot < 1409491355 921324 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ( ( noise yeah)) the one that's gone from home the oldest is three < 1409491371 140222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should've filtered out the annotations. < 1409491401 461685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: did you mean lipstack or lipstick? < 1409491401 801722 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh i see i used to play ball and or whatever ride bikes and and get their energy up and it's been quite some time ago i paid thirty dollars and i was < 1409491406 940591 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1409491408 215095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do they do with all their lipsmack? < 1409491408 462634 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well that's good yeah ' cause then my cats were like last week was it was kind of like before people um you know she just < 1409491411 477035 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are c64, ct, ic, iwcs, pa, and ss? < 1409491437 200040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: A Commodore 64 programming guide, Chrono Trigger script, INTERCAL manual, Irregular Webcomic strips, Penny Arcade strips and Shakespeare's writings. < 1409491451 885511 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1409491473 836511 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"agora" is from the rules, not the archives, right? < 1409491481 428542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1409491481 583943 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) < 1409491487 903780 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I object. < 1409491488 161686 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: choice shall be its vizier. the announcing gambler's hand is identical to another, shall receive a salary equal to < 1409491495 311001 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I support. < 1409491495 466910 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: an asset from an entity is zero or more kudo transfers; " use") penalties or actions that would otherwise be required by the proposer of that < 1409491501 102511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone just gave me a link, I think. < 1409491508 108276 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I Agoran consent. < 1409491508 264245 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sentencing, which shall then select, by notifying the assessor whenever e is attempting to < 1409491523 355514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I managed to un-linebreak it properly, so it's kind of abrupt. < 1409491550 134881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it line-unbreak. < 1409491573 20947 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linejoin mate. < 1409491589 391604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms < 1409491589 547060 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) < 1409491590 618898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how r u m8 < 1409491590 799553 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: meet u al d xerox nw..nw lunch for me x < 1409491602 184592 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what? < 1409491602 495529 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: was in science faculty, what u need ar your respective parts? should i go now. can i return me dollarscash lor...or can ask sis say can wat show... < 1409491612 221808 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dollarscash? < 1409491630 157966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Don't you be giving away all my dollarscash. < 1409491630 328064 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do u have any to give me a duty.? < 1409491639 963577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your duty is to serve #esoteric. < 1409491640 119304 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: u didnt giv..atlast min wat can i do. < 1409492325 540338 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409492456 614053 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409492977 460844 :scounder!~scounder@2a01:7a0:10:151:236:17:48:1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409493717 629769 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409493892 616041 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409494012 467546 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409494041 454298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how they got a corpus of SMS messages. < 1409494062 666067 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through donations, apparently. < 1409494225 175768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's well-documented. < 1409494232 711403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some quite personal stuff in there, IIRC. < 1409494429 50372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, "sexting". < 1409494476 677368 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a representative corpus < 1409494484 654135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dollarscash like a coins? < 1409494501 675512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1409494508 681075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409494536 657375 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf < shachaf> i kind of wish there was a standard glyph for every byte from 0 to 255 – Perhaps the Control Pictures block starting at U+2400 helps? < 1409494536 812903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1409494563 530182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I just use the pictures from cp437 < 1409494583 242255 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409494590 746085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1409494593 776920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07regxcoin 08interticoin 09autocoin 02raincoin 06aackvmcoin 13drainmenticoin 04uftercoin 07godlcoin 08verglycumcoin 09()coin 02vowelcoin 06aultlcoin 13modyngcoin 04stropologcoin 07filmeiocoin 08cancoin 09mabadcoin 02whocoin 06ccxxvicoin 13eassusquash-01coin < 1409494594 820980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I have those pictures in the control and high control characters of my bitmap font < 1409494600 616396 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing shachaf, he wants visible glyphs for formfeeds as well < 1409494611 921041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes, cp437 has one for that too < 1409494621 963822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a visible glyph for space. < 1409494640 285756 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that one. < 1409494644 541604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if one was desired.) < 1409494650 735129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: basically, cp437 was not mainly intended as a text encoding, but as a hardwired encoding for the characters in the video card text mode < 1409494669 127428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it has three identical space characters (0x00, 0x20, 0xff) < 1409494674 171073 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly know it as the df2 default font. < 1409494676 152275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that it's all different glyphs < 1409494680 919199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written most of a program that does the letters round from Countdown! (a british game show) < 1409494746 36979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, I lied < 1409494767 480371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my font, for some of the low control characters, I have characters from a different strange character set, not from cp437 < 1409494786 669616 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409494791 800902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but half of the low control chars and all of the high control ones do have the cp437 pics < 1409494856 557707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which one contestant asks for a vowel or a consonant until 9 letters have been chosen, then both try to make as long a word as possible out of them < 1409494904 223696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so what's the performance of the program? does it get a six letter word 50% of time? < 1409494929 862238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know, I have not tested it that rigourously < 1409494940 157232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to get a six letter word > 50% of the time < 1409494951 367504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get duplicate letters? < 1409494958 454055 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1409494977 270789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's roughly the letter frequencies in standard english (UK) usage < 1409494978 76491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the distribution of letters? do you get T and R more often than Q and Z? < 1409494986 390549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was fast < 1409494988 295753 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1409494997 419423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replied before I asked the question < 1409495003 774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good at that < 1409495006 547320 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown_(game_show)#Letters_round < 1409495025 442670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409495046 842887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it draw from scrabble tiles, without repetition? < 1409495064 137399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Yes it does < 1409495071 194523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can get duplicate letters, not duplicate tiles < 1409495076 554852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use the Q as Qu? < 1409495080 90554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1409495119 842806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like scrabble, it has fewer S because that makes the game more boring because plurals? < 1409495152 752872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know < 1409495176 875795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program takes the role of the contestant < 1409495265 780481 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, can you suggest 9 letters for me to test it? < 1409495293 951037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wait < 1409495344 945167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I E Z N H T E T F < 1409495367 75406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one is from Boggle which has too many annoying F) < 1409495382 913832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zenith < 1409495463 482327 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best (6 letters) < 1409495473 480871 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409495480 671590 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program also gives "hettie", which suggests I need a better corpus < 1409495522 698372 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a hettie? < 1409495531 394413 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a name < 1409495584 927828 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1409495611 164475 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409495611 319998 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT! < 1409495669 252398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 9 | perl -ne 'chomp; print uc(substr($_, int(rand(length($_))), 1))." " for split;' < 1409495670 617932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y O O U L S M Q D < 1409495672 742817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words 9 | perl -ne 'chomp; print uc(substr($_, int(rand(length($_))), 1))." " for split;' < 1409495674 74167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D P L P F B K D R < 1409495676 289326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1409495683 553063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distribution should be more or less appropriate. < 1409495700 866208 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one seems pretty hard < 1409495713 831943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I recommend 12dicts, see eg. http://wordlist.aspell.net/12dicts-readme/ < 1409495727 259265 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sodomy" or "modulo" for the first one < 1409495745 538659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably doesn't approximate well the distribution resulting from people being able to select between the revealed vowel or consonant. < 1409495746 940357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :R L D P Y I D S E < 1409495755 264747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from Boggle again) < 1409495757 27005 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd suggest a minimum percentage of vowels < 1409495783 383154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing for the second < 1409495788 81761 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, spidery < 1409495803 447060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or riddles < 1409495834 487691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1409495984 236451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409496019 697784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: really, check out 12dicts, it's a nice set of useful wordlists compiled methodically and comes with a readme explaining everything < 1409496279 75849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made one of those out of a trie of the character frequency vector representation. You know, for the word set "aaa", "abb", "abc" and "ccc" it'd have a structure like http://sprunge.us/jOcj < 1409496309 467045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just get the corresponding vector for the input word, and walk through the part of the tree where the nodes are <=. < 1409496371 529571 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice < 1409496493 716500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably should collapse out the *:0 nodes by hanging the letter-to-test on each vertex too. < 1409496696 913928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's compare your program to fungot! < 1409496697 80782 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: its just decorative lo < 1409496744 194208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's the longest word you can make from this multiset of letters: Y A U M S Q C L L < 1409496744 421668 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: k. i bring the mini project. and course to go.then no nid to use rite < 1409497007 349175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I be sent to the asylum for calmly suggesting that fungot is clumsy? < 1409497007 504586 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh i am here already. outside the soya tha mai q < 1409497022 411152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lots of sixes) < 1409498381 1709 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409498592 423320 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1409499174 312002 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1409499195 255851 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I can get a couple of sixees. Also when did you find your way over here < 1409499246 452966 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I would have no qualms doing so < 1409499267 192637 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't raise a squall < 1409499287 496444 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1409499325 686592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what? < 1409499437 444628 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1409499484 314294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409499803 528071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, updated my corpus (not to 12dict yet) and got a seven (squally) < 1409500116 67863 :impomatic_!~digital_w@146.200.63.91 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409500312 571942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1409501038 391566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"callums", says the Google ngram corpus, among others. But it's not at all limited to real words, so it would. < 1409501102 568798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All seven-letter unigrams it found were: allysum ascully callums clumsly cmsally mascull mcaully mcsally mulcays musycal scyllam smallyu squally) < 1409501192 572907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains all words that appear at least 200 times in a sampling of one trillion words from publicly available web pages. < 1409501293 653172 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.174.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409501899 463876 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409502281 607222 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1409502544 962329 :impomatic_!~digital_w@81.174.174.142 QUIT :Quit: impomatic_ < 1409502787 435463 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409503474 279766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took a flower photo, and these guys "photobombed" it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140831-bug.jpg < 1409503843 862555 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should know that macros invite bugs. < 1409504915 438767 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1409505180 606714 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409505392 287409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409505849 905737 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409506014 459310 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409506044 931987 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409506310 644835 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe NICK :KingBot < 1409506416 477503 :KingBot!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe NICK :KingOfKarlsruhe < 1409506525 640128 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1409507270 710999 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1409507291 560009 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1409507356 677984 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times is Minecraft going to be 1.8? < 1409507503 629109 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1409507555 990110 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1409508044 334588 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1409509006 251345 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1409509274 321509 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha, beta, stable and what? < 1409509315 385364 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha only went up to 1.2 < 1409509317 632196 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409509374 868174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we are still 2 or 3 1.8s away from 4 < 1409509530 257068 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think any of those sevens are real < 1409509555 23648 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaybe squally < 1409509579 11529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the OED, it's "real" as per the rules of the game, AIUI. < 1409509588 992242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I oed'd squally < 1409509611 291075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"squally, adj.2. 1. Characterized by the prevalence of squalls. a. Of places, seasons, etc." < 1409509663 959254 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :many things are in the OED < 1409509686 358019 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OED is the corpus used by Countdown, which is the entire point of this excersize < 1409509737 961381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"† ˈsqually, adj.1 Etymology: Of obscure origin. Obs. 1. Of cloth: Defective (in some specific manner). 2. (See quot. 1787.) -- 1787 W. Marshall Provincialisms in Rural Econ. Norfolk II. 389 A crop of turneps, or of corn, which is broken by vacant unproductive patches, is said to be squally." < 1409509742 887834 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many times is Minecraft 1.8 going to be "feature complete"? (followed by more features being added) < 1409509745 709007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You should train on it, then. < 1409509805 604085 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does minecraft count as an esoteric programming language? < 1409509816 276281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: yes < 1409509844 540914 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the definition? < 1409509898 833738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Minecraft 1.8's redstone mechanism might be turing complete < 1409509911 844932 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm < 1409509917 411740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :redstone? what's that? < 1409509933 837034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of philosophical doctrines, treatises, modes of speech, etc.: Designed for, or appropriate to, an inner circle of advanced or privileged disciples; communicated to, or intelligible by, the initiated exclusively. Hence of disciples: Belonging to the inner circle, admitted to the esoteric teaching." < 1409509942 804999 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, redstone is something you can make digital circuitry with in Minecraft < 1409509953 611739 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Hasn't redstone been turing complete from the start? < 1409509961 80193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you sure it's turing-complete as opposed to just pspace-complete? < 1409509979 306523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean PSPACE-complete < 1409509995 88974 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the new mechanism anyways? < 1409509995 887857 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, prior to 1.8 it's PSPACE-complete only < 1409510002 2111 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the slime block may fix that < 1409510025 534746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can have an infinite counter mechanism < 1409510039 650204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slime block? < 1409510061 908845 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For *common notions* of "turing complete" Minecraft redstone meets it though... < 1409510076 649380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it is a block that can be pushed in a large structure. Other blocks can only be pushed in a line with max length 12 < 1409510097 829353 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that you can quite easily do Turing-complete-modulo-space within it. < 1409510149 100655 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me that I wonder what sort of computing projects the Powder Toy folks are up to. < 1409510190 652190 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no page about Minecraft at the Esolangs Wiki? < 1409510215 127162 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because no-one has made it < 1409510217 480278 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18292.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1409510273 360018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a channel about the union of #esoteric and minecraft, but it gets a comment about every three months. < 1409510366 808655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/QfLK <- monthly traffic in number of comments. < 1409510415 562307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to get a creative server and try to prove 1.8 turing complete? < 1409510476 773095 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18292.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Client Quit < 1409510480 523366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The wiki claims that "The maximum of 12 blocks moved by a piston still applies. For example, a 2×2×3 collection of Slime Blocks may be pushed or pulled by a sticky piston as long as no other movable blocks are adjacent to it." < 1409510500 626621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but you can create something that pushes itself < 1409510785 343870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that works, but then again, I'm no Minecraft engineer. < 1409510867 472263 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some details at http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Slime_block#Motion_by_pistons < 1409510974 117761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1409511192 995067 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are flying machines made with the slime blocks. < 1409511413 259646 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409511448 967555 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X393TelG0mQ < 1409511461 128885 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409511461 606959 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOT DOOT! < 1409511481 874889 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot! Hello :) < 1409511482 30469 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Thijs? Elite to. < 1409511663 110704 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw. it is possible to push stuff longer than 12 blocks by using pistons and redstone bocks even without slime blocks. < 1409511701 990717 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle, up to an indefinite distance from a finite starting space? < 1409511745 589804 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the possible exception of chunks not loading, but as far as I know, yes. < 1409511827 502641 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkxgJbpHxvI < 1409511923 90632 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are we talking about redstone as an esoteric programming language? < 1409511956 814673 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is pretty esoteric, don't you? < 1409511961 904190 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1409511983 15549 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried making a full adder once, kept failing :P < 1409511997 642995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if you can categorize it, give a description of its working, and/or post examples, then it is probably good idea to put into esolang wiki. < 1409512035 361078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it is Turing complete. < 1409512087 24971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: I think (as far as I can tell) that machine has a fixed number of pistons and redstone blocks that it can insert. (Stone it will of course generate indefinitely.) < 1409512155 464624 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, can it be classified as a particle automaton or as object-oriented, or as neither. < 1409512156 338408 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1409512164 537697 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\./?/ < 1409512164 693306 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: also, can it be classified as a particle automaton or as object-oriented, or as neither? < 1409512181 227014 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. You could use command-blocks to generate the pistons and redstone though. (if you do not see that as cheating) < 1409512186 552813 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think object-oriented really classifies here < 1409512203 251889 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PART :#esoteric < 1409512205 545499 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/classifies/applies/ < 1409512205 701375 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: TieSoul actually meant: I don't think object-oriented really applies here < 1409512264 678650 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the whole point of the s/a/b/ thing _not_ to repeat the message? :P < 1409512293 890953 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^/Regexp? / < 1409512294 56332 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: Regexp? Isn't the whole point of the s/a/b/ thing _not_ to repeat the message? :P < 1409512333 264771 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/./Regexp./ < 1409512333 421116 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Hjulle actually meant: Regexp.egexp? Isn't the whole point of the s/a/b/ thing _not_ to repeat the message? :P < 1409512352 722562 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/./A/g < 1409512352 916750 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: Hjulle actually meant: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1409512356 373048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a hypothetical Minecraft article should cover both "pure" and "cheating" kinds of Minecraft programming. < 1409512370 765793 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(? isPrint '.' < 1409512671 191390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1409512672 364270 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the regex /^s\/.+(?\g)/x/ < 1409514393 358568 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\g? < 1409514405 964646 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1409514409 274486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-execute named subexpression. < 1409514420 221350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ruby2.1 -e '/(?\g)/ =~ "x"' < 1409514420 376990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-e:1: never ending recursion: /(?\g)/ < 1409514428 870549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious about how the error'd show up. < 1409514503 648132 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should say Timeout. < 1409514522 448625 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't seem to < 1409514535 757880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a really a neverending recursion. < 1409514550 338048 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what < 1409514594 379525 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1409514602 203016 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?a?aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/b/ < 1409514603 190638 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Timeout < 1409514673 547627 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many combinations was that? < 1409514683 440266 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many. < 1409514686 860220 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot. < 1409514710 796562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write it as (a?){32}a{32} with less work. < 1409514716 21943 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409514735 654130 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1409514736 902800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or however many there were, I didn't count. < 1409514756 710400 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't either < 1409514854 893866 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Leonys < 1409514899 131529 :Leonys!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :TieSoul < 1409514913 261978 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry there was a thing in another channel < 1409514931 733306 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a bot who needed Leonys AND itself to be OP'd for a command to work for some reason < 1409514941 377980 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I changed my nick to Leonys and it worked :P < 1409514989 631912 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1409515047 545406 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the command kicks anyone who uses it xD < 1409515290 32803 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a/#{m.user.nick}/ < 1409515290 188585 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjulle: TieSoul actually meant: #{m.user.nick}nd the command kicks anyone who uses it xD < 1409515302 721919 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolnope < 1409515307 66517 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1409515636 489676 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably replace .+(?++++++++++<]>. < 1409521606 446372 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1409521611 12321 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noice. < 1409521620 100279 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend told me about it. < 1409521633 332830 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1409521633 488143 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1409521644 774834 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're going to be very annoying now, fungot < 1409521644 968340 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157: a lot of shit. ooooooh the 130 passengers on board < 1409521655 574855 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1409521655 730815 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1409521658 100849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from, like, three videos, so don't expect too much. < 1409521665 282210 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409521665 437957 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What is your favorite game? < 1409521665 593316 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: a given filter input signal, bit mapped mode ( see string operations). it can be displayed on the screen configuration of the commodore 64 basic. < 1409521669 621310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157, I've been telling a few people about it, but I don't think I'm that friend < 1409521674 553518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the C64 stuff isn't very well line-joined. < 1409521681 368020 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that almost made sense. < 1409521695 865404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That doesn't sound like any particular game to me. < 1409521696 20872 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the great thing about your commodore 64. they are de-allocated by the sprite-back- ground priority register located at one address in that case. < 1409521697 975058 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least "sense," within the domain of 1980s programming documentation. < 1409521707 561214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I agree, that's the one great thing. < 1409521724 407638 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly, this also reminds me of why I want to do the Lambda64 project. XD < 1409521725 836063 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^u (0)S((0)(1))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1409521743 635300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing an 'l'. < 1409521746 380745 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (0)S((0)(1))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1409521746 536277 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output! < 1409521780 453877 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I so impressed with this < 1409521846 830526 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1409521847 355896 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1409521865 843704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've just about exhausted all its features. < 1409521871 157487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait: < 1409521872 182457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1409521872 337898 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1409521876 727077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so. < 1409521924 283235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hardcoded command, because neither the ^bf nor the ^ul can (or at least should be able to) do anything non-deterministic. < 1409521956 586731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe an "^8ball your question here" kind of thing could be written with brainfuck, with the result based on a hash of the input. < 1409521972 840048 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a cool idea < 1409521994 763517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also an idea that sounds so familiar, I can't be sure if I (or someone else) already did it. < 1409521997 796415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1409521997 951836 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 < 1409522010 491361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, none of those seem quite relevant. < 1409522078 324617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1409522100 265524 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm trying to make something in Python... converts strings of BF with variables in them to the proper amount of arrows to take the pointer to the given variable < 1409522105 282510 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it way readable < 1409522106 387128 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uh < 1409522112 621563 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac hello < 1409522112 776978 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlole < 1409522140 179777 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show srmlebac < 1409522140 368116 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1409522140 523412 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1409522167 95462 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f959-138.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show eval < 1409522167 250857 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :()! < 1409522194 95116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that dates from before the bugfix, it has non-run-length-encoded ">>" but a correct "<2". < 1409522200 193007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that eval works < 1409522209 141299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^eval (test)S < 1409522209 296640 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why < 1409522226 630457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's underload, not bf, but still doesn't work) < 1409522228 53907 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to make a wiki account for the esolangs wiki < 1409522236 893414 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test)S < 1409522237 48916 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1409522280 93618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, there's no ^undef command (still on the TODO list), so we're stuck with all the cruft that has accumulated over the years. < 1409522281 719338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload doesn't really take input, so nothing like the ! convention for bf exists < 1409522303 101118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you _could_ edit the file by hand, no? < 1409522342 422922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i thought the cruft was somewhat limited by only being saved if you ^save before the next crash < 1409522350 203904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes to both, I guess. < 1409522362 585610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^srmlebac is _not_ cruft hth < 1409522371 304331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a vital command < 1409522398 238326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def srmlebac bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<] < 1409522398 393764 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1409522401 127943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show srmlebac < 1409522401 283514 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2,[>,]<[<]>[.>2]<[>2]<2[.<2] < 1409522410 536475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's optimize it if it's so vital, then. < 1409522411 794237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1409522411 950148 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1409522418 886542 :Ando!~Daanando@62.205.84.38 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409522424 925453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abcd < 1409522425 80884 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :acdb < 1409522426 881388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abcde < 1409522427 37158 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :acedb < 1409522452 789767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :">2" is a single instruction in the intermediate bytecode; ">>" would have been two. < 1409522480 574594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can srmlebac longer strings. Assuming it runs out of time in anything that fits inside an IRC message, which is doubtful. < 1409522484 704448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there was a bug in the parsing before? < 1409522503 635270 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1409522511 915256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the code that combined consecutive commands didn't work for >, only <+-. < 1409522569 783331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fix is part of https://github.com/fis/fungot/commit/1025e3b < 1409522569 976393 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: each peripheral device. when timeouts are enabled. when set to 1. < 1409522573 787759 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1409522574 71629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm where does ^def put the command if it's already defined? < 1409522585 477794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It replaces the old one. < 1409522591 285960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I hope so. < 1409522593 450694 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409522595 160401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1409522596 972431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it's supposed to do. < 1409522601 991661 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan, hi < 1409522613 190224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1409522613 345758 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 < 1409522618 454959 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, guest. New to esotric as well? < 1409522626 309120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still in the same place in the sort order, so I think that's what happened. < 1409522628 379640 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatively < 1409522647 73269 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've seen anything done by Christian Manahl in the wiki that's me. < 1409522676 844571 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def backwards bf ,[>,][<.] < 1409522677 36383 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1409522682 976012 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, but names dont stick with me. I still have a hard time remember who wrote befunge and bf < 1409522683 500332 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards hello < 1409522689 805634 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris and... urban? < 1409522699 1907 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^backwards hello < 1409522704 558267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def backwards bf ,[>,]<[.<] < 1409522705 83449 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1409522707 785414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^backwards foo < 1409522707 941266 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof < 1409522719 820271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a reimplementation of "rev", though. < 1409522721 709802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev < 1409522721 865081 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1409522726 615528 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a bf bot? < 1409522726 771720 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: 30 for l= 1 to 500:next another device it is the vertical direction, the < 1409522729 775245 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can only mods add function definitions? < 1409522733 374139 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make sense, anyway < 1409522748 527621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157: No, it's a free-for-all. Though you can't override built-in commands. < 1409522754 557310 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm. < 1409522766 177336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only fizzie can make them _stick_ though. it's his bot. < 1409522773 815238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload < 1409522773 983979 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1409522775 781583 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that's why someone resorted to calling a function 'srmlebac'. < 1409522801 561730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest98157: the name makes perfect sense actually < 1409522812 264071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the reverse of... I keep forgetting what the exact relationship is between (scramble, unscramble, srmlebac, uenlsbcmra). < 1409522833 299204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe scramble and srmlebac are synonyms < 1409522840 496293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the others are the inverses < 1409522850 49044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble scramble < 1409522850 240363 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac < 1409522860 881052 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! ^^ < 1409522862 859876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac scramble < 1409522863 15248 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :srmlebac < 1409522866 576850 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fungot < 1409522866 757477 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnotgu < 1409522867 73500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so. < 1409522867 636679 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask. I've written an interpreter for http://esolangs.org/wiki/Puzzlang (it was unimplemented) and where would be the best place to ask if someone could test it out? < 1409522877 570020 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I could. < 1409522899 106251 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the language. < 1409522902 886640 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I'd appreciate it. It's in lua. < 1409522904 936836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you test out changing your nick to something that doesn't start with Guest? < 1409522912 980634 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1409522916 223971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fnotgu < 1409522916 379562 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fogutn < 1409522920 17478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fogutn < 1409522920 173116 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgtnuo < 1409522924 75569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble fgtnuo < 1409522924 230565 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftuong < 1409522926 160440 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find it? < 1409522928 257297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ftuong < 1409522928 438602 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1409522939 72529 :Guest98157!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 NICK :CMM < 1409522952 303997 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :down on the page I linked under implementations. InPuzzlang < 1409522953 147190 :CMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 NICK :ChrisMM < 1409522968 980124 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puzzlang is a bit weird though. < 1409522986 302796 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there are example scripts on the page. < 1409522989 344604 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean invalid password < 1409522994 226308 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:< < 1409523062 586512 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instructions are in the script source, that's you'll find on github with the link. If anything is less than clear, feedback is greatly appreciated. < 1409523084 142778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: To answer your earlier question, it's more of a "befunge bot that runs brainfuck/underload" than "brainfuck bot". < 1409523131 311238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's where the "fung" part of the name comes from.) < 1409523133 910385 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, name wise. Is it written with mirc script(?) or another? < 1409523143 780237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in Befunge. < 1409523148 438160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1409523148 616416 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1409523149 622207 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol cool < 1409523208 188564 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, even it's interaction (idk) with irc is in befunge. < 1409523234 935527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: the nick ChrisMM is already registered, but it hasn't been used in so long that you can easily get an admin to release it for you. < 1409523272 187970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't on the spot remember exactly how you find an admin, again. < 1409523272 627708 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arright. I don't really care :P < 1409523279 120886 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not my first choice for username anyway < 1409523344 489747 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409523367 255108 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409523370 47645 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, daan, getting your code < 1409523377 693934 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lousy internet connection. < 1409523383 850143 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Chris :D < 1409523424 267720 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably shouldn't be giving you too much hope, I know nothing about Lua. I'm just gonna write some Puzzlang stuff and pass it to your code and tell you what happens. < 1409523460 552363 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first interpreter I've written... though it's more of a translator. It can execute the translated bf code though. < 1409523462 481092 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.73.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409523480 308413 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, no worries, it's impressive < 1409523484 542992 :Ando!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 NICK :Daan < 1409523495 935560 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my first interpreter and was super excited. It's Cork on the wiki. < 1409523501 458486 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409523594 557159 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page doesn't seem to link to your implementation (if I'm looking right) < 1409523613 673366 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I thought it was a horrible implementation and I vowed I would improve it and I didn't < 1409523618 195371 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1409523621 58126 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have it saved, though.. < 1409523650 99514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: oh hm i realized my sentence has ambiguous parsing, s/hasn't been used/has been unused/ < 1409523699 835209 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way I interpreted it right < 1409523702 272722 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409523729 342677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1409523742 642135 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-114-58.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409523818 617980 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409523847 269436 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net NICK :Guest60563 < 1409523855 887026 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't encountered any errors yet, Daan < 1409523874 27881 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good start. < 1409523890 651639 :Guest60563!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1409523901 769265 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably rewrite it in python once I learn python again. < 1409523919 27113 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1409523940 396238 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's that important, puzzlang is probably on of the more obscure bf derivitive to be found on the wiki < 1409523954 314173 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/bMcufWvS < 1409523957 108907 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God it's horrid < 1409523975 316165 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, as long as you're having fun programming it's worth it ^^ < 1409523993 885225 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric thing is very fun. < 1409524003 251254 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem < 1409524008 619840 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to find the perfect language. < 1409524012 601855 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I say that < 1409524028 533900 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALSE is awesome, but I've spent days trying to make an interpreter in Python and I can't figure it out < 1409524195 671237 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use your interpreter do I "python interpreter.py script.crk"? < 1409524252 484396 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because I'm an idiot < 1409524257 48987 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to manually pass the code as a string to run < 1409524261 397137 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v_v < 1409524278 906815 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly why I was too embarrassed to publish it < 1409524294 280605 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. seems doable to fix it up. < 1409524298 776408 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yeah, totally < 1409524317 538071 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool that you've come up with your own language. < 1409524323 301235 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not there yet. < 1409524350 318159 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really way way simple < 1409524378 973074 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm lacking in a bunch of things when it comes to coding, I assure you. < 1409524388 676210 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't we all. < 1409524459 876681 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been doing a lot of coding on this school-issued laptop? so I'm not allowed to use command line, I've just been using repl.it < 1409524610 56981 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one execute the source code that's copy/pasted on the left? < 1409524618 435829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not that it's that important, puzzlang is probably on of the more obscure bf derivitive to be found on the wiki <-- I dunno the competition is fierce hth < 1409524633 212298 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an arrow up and to the right that runs it in the command line < 1409524643 505402 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a more obsure bf derivative? < 1409524653 120570 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the right space < 1409524659 445631 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1409524661 909562 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, see it. thanks. < 1409524676 332007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: yes < 1409524690 988088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here a False compiler targeting the Java VM, I wonder how complete it is. < 1409524691 492284 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't think Highly of bf, Id imagine. < 1409524693 993010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's one of those that ran aground at the bytecode validator due to trying to be overly clever and use the JVM stack directly as the False stack. < 1409524710 278937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: no we don't think highly of bd _derivatives_. observe: < 1409524714 562189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck < 1409524715 252280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. < 1409524721 634633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bf < 1409524737 230510 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol I thought hackego was a person. < 1409524750 746969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean they are absolutely _all_ bad, but they're ridiculously overdone. < 1409524764 72479 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can see that perspective. It was cool learning bf though. < 1409524766 103114 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Placement < 1409524806 711933 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, saw that one a bit ago. that'll be hard to test. < 1409524833 330273 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of the "what colour is the bear" riddle. < 1409524856 86376 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409524857 834188 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1409524926 996882 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wich esoteric language do you find the most exciting atm, Oerjan? < 1409524943 156555 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*holds up microphone* < 1409525095 48270 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :daan: mmu fault handlers < 1409525145 403324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mμ < 1409525156 660874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's been a while since i did anything exciting with esolangs < 1409525181 979027 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing complete < 1409525201 550851 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what fault handling is (sort of), but that's cool. < 1409525291 782015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my emmental interpreter of underload may have been the last thing that was really cool < 1409525296 163234 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu instruction tries to access an address, mmu looks it up, finds there is no translation for it, causes an "exception", which causes the cpu to push stuff on the stack and jump to a distinguished address (fault handler address, based on an entry in a table in memory) < 1409525314 267374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a soft spot for underload, though. < 1409525330 883339 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1409525344 450949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsoily < 1409525407 482823 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409525464 69682 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is all about the stack? < 1409525479 907072 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote /// in python and lost it and now I have to do it again v_v < 1409525504 332443 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, sounds very complicated to figure out. It changes with architecture? < 1409525606 120408 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What capacities do traversables give me that streams don't? Converting from stream to data structure is the big thing I can think of, but considering that I can just have the oriignal object be on hand... hard to think of examples < 1409525632 37776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1409525784 704521 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could go through the trouble of creating Applicatives etc. and basically having functionality similar to original van Laarhoven lenses... or I could avoid doing that with no major repercussions? < 1409525819 469692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm the last thing i have on my website seems to be the resplicate tc proof < 1409526005 244553 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :resplicate is great. it even has a nice logo to go with it ^^ < 1409526133 580630 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gha what's wrnog with my codeeee < 1409526159 882337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daan: yes it's a stack language, although note that it can construct programs on the fly to put there so it's stack use is much more than the numbers of e.g. befunge < 1409526177 81072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1409526241 136448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not quite understand the hash tables in merge.c < 1409526266 259307 :Daan!~Daanando@188.188.75.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1409526784 925362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can see it is based on qsort and strrevcmp which are also some of my idea related to such things < 1409526886 197364 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev < 1409526886 392383 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1409526937 468370 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409527003 274523 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1409527163 752146 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1409527163 954982 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 backwards < 1409527167 363753 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show reverb < 1409527167 519129 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[..,] < 1409527205 670728 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show cho < 1409527205 825940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1409527237 833787 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rainbow < 1409527237 989265 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3>4+6[->+8<],[<4.>[->+>+<2]>2-[-[-[-[-[-[-[<[-]>[-]]]]]]]]<[-<+>2+<]<+>4.[-<2+>3+<]<2+2.[-]>.>2[-<+>]<2,] < 1409527254 795020 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1409527255 1509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 312315Z 25014G24KT 4SM -TSRA BR BKN020 OVC040 21/19 A2982 RMK SC7SC1 CB EMBDD VIS LWR E PRESRR SLP099 DENSITY ALT 1000FT < 1409527264 81048 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. -TSRA indeed. < 1409527277 776366 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409527326 993501 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does rainbow even do < 1409527330 172322 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show welcome < 1409527330 327917 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,]+14[>+8>+4>+7>+6<4-]>2+2.-26.>2+3.+14.+7.<+.>+3.-2.<+2.<.<+4.>3+2.<2.>2+5.<+3.-3.<.+73.+5.>2.<.>-2.-4.<-4.<2.>-5.>2+.-.<.>-2.<-65.<-.+13.>2-10.<.>+4.<2-6.<-2.>2.+69.<2+.>.+5.>.<-2.>+4.>-3.-67.<2-2.<-.-3.-8.>+2.<-6.>-5..>.<+.<+6.>3.<2-2.>-8.<+2.<.>+7.>.<2.-2.>3.<3-.>2+4.<-2.>+4.-2.<-5.>2.<-6.<.>+3.>.<3.+.>+2.<+7.>-.+10.<+.>2+.<2+.>-5.>2+.-.<-31.<2+.>-2.>2.<2-5.+2.+3.>+31.>.<+4.<-4.-8.>+6.+3.<2-2.>-5.>+2.<2-4.+6.-.>3+12.-12. < 1409527344 709196 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow hello < 1409527344 905048 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02h03e04l05l06o < 1409527347 678137 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1409527349 622574 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oH! < 1409527352 643934 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how!? < 1409527357 946584 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii doesn't have color support < 1409527373 223826 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% < 1409527373 413772 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02%03%04%05%06%07%08%09%02%03%04%05%06%07%08%09%02%03%04%05%06%07%08%09%02%03%04%05%06% < 1409527381 20304 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joys and wonders of IRC. < 1409527384 470723 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% < 1409527384 683976 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1409527392 804455 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: were you ever `relcomed? < 1409527396 346740 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ChrisMM < 1409527397 249872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07ChrisMM: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1409527397 672073 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 howsthiswork < 1409527397 903010 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1409527404 191178 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 h < 1409527404 402851 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1409527413 366763 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niiiiice ^^ < 1409527436 124248 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show tell < 1409527436 279715 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think you mean @tell instead?)S < 1409527443 677077 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1409527448 180097 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1409527448 335443 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 backwards < 1409527454 152752 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apologies for my spamming < 1409527457 251693 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show wc < 1409527457 407092 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1409527459 644628 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1409527476 55677 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show uenlsbcmra < 1409527476 260203 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1409527489 744608 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: it's far from the worst spamming we sometimes have. nothing surprising there, and tbh it's quite enjoyable hth < 1409527500 718902 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffffff < 1409527504 441034 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, have you read your wisdom PDF today? :D) < 1409527521 347740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can send such command using private message too if you like to < 1409527583 186167 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :killjoy :P < 1409527602 279189 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409527611 22174 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def output >>++++++++++<<[->+>-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<<]>>[-]>>>++++++++++<[->-[>+>>]>[+[- < 1409527611 177488 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^def < 1409527611 177645 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<+>]>+>>]<<<<<]>[-]>>[>++++++[-<++++++++>]<.<<+>+>[-]]<[<[->-<]++++++[->++++++++ < 1409527611 343040 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<]>.[-]]<<++++++[-<++++++++>]<.[-]<<[-<+>]< < 1409527651 761227 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def output bf >>++++++++++<<[->+>-[>+>>]>[+[-<+>]>+>>]<<<<<<]>>[-]>>>++++++++++<[->-[>+>>]>[+[- < 1409527651 956694 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<+>]>+>>]<<<<<]>[-]>>[>++++++[-<++++++++>]<.<<+>+>[-]]<[<[->-<]++++++[->++++++++ < 1409527651 956879 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa i can rle < 1409527651 956972 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched []. < 1409527665 315873 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took you long enough, Fungot. < 1409527745 706125 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<]>.[-]]<<+6[-<+8>]<.[-]<<[-<+>]< < 1409527770 570271 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write that. < 1409527771 922885 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s2g < 1409527787 257834 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fungot < 1409527787 413269 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: there are two other lines, see the game paddle input description at 54297 ( d419) for the printer to go back to your program at its full speed. this allows you to read or set this pointer themselves, in fact, the < 1409527792 474408 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styl < 1409527795 20607 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1409527795 176257 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1409527802 161831 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1409527802 317317 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1409527813 476737 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I assumed it would be like the darwin command line < 1409527820 67040 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1409527820 222433 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1409527823 100240 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1409527823 289630 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: no, it's not. it's more complex than that. read the code.) good stuff :p anything in the database transactions that have failed due to the error that would otherwise not have to simplify the program will end < 1409527840 942934 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1409527841 98337 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1409527844 562390 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1409527844 880239 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: that is a winner's attitude, and there is no particularly good human translation for this concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear co < 1409527863 743961 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot also a google bot? < 1409527863 948532 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: good idea! the thought of that??? you are quite a sn0b 4h4h4h4 so gull1bl3 beard, he was, in fact, his cadre of fellow wizards for real just like it is for your other artifacts beneath his extremely important < 1409527876 327558 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're weird fungot < 1409527876 485995 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: you do a very quick doodle of nothing in here except an opening in the floor. an off-suited king and jack. he came here into our game and caused him to surrender to overwhelming emotions. more problems in the four most vociferous trolls so far, who's not, really, < 1409527893 745933 :boily!~alexandre@64.56.253.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: fungot is fungot. it's all fungot now. < 1409527893 901763 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but that jackass won't shut up and stop the thief in the throes of an unraveling alibi. " the massacre of syrs gnelph was not as written a message you got, my brother, and we just keep the safe or tub handy or was it? < 1409527904 130291 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:1cc:2c00:56cf:f803 NICK :CaretVeePomm < 1409527914 467784 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing but fungot < 1409527914 623000 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: but it is your journey i am in sports legend, charles. jewels of wisdom. good grief. you can't turn your sylladex < 1409527928 962410 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1409527929 117828 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1409527935 751039 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speechless < 1409527935 906212 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1409527941 854278 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches < 1409527942 9848 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) < 1409527950 544943 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots < 1409527950 736615 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick) < 1409527955 60201 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style pa < 1409527955 215602 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: pa (around 1200 transcribed Penny Arcade comics) < 1409527971 899266 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1409527972 54824 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1409527978 139210 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1409527978 294720 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1409527984 544609 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style jargon < 1409527984 700206 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive) < 1409527992 96497 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1409527992 252147 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1409527995 817742 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1409527996 595644 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: it was in edward's script. but why had nothing new ever grown over these five acres of grey desolation that sprawled open to the polar sky. ascent was effected over the steep, fnord hillside ending in a very crabbed and archaic hand; and though still walking on automatically, resigned myself to the study of colonial architecture, furniture, and craftsmanship at length crowded everything else from his sphere of interest < 1409528046 266990 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1409528046 422607 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1409528051 722076 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is dumb. < 1409528051 958138 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: it's the paul potts and andrew johnson and plowed into the trees! god bless those onboard! < 1409528111 933739 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev < 1409528112 89547 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1409528193 607757 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:AndoDaan14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40380 5* 03AndoDaan 5* (+84) 10Created page with "Is just starting out in esoteric languages. Has written an [[Puzzlang]] interpreter." < 1409528215 305653 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's me! < 1409528228 371951 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kid... I mean, I know what I did. < 1409528242 51963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SURE < 1409528245 75211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409528246 321252 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409528249 569174 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I register my nick on here? < 1409528259 30983 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think so... D: < 1409528315 14087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChrisMM: it's awkward to define fungot commands that are longer than a single irc line, but you can do it with the str stuff < 1409528315 169573 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i 3 me and several others here have already explained here that slant eye saying oh no oh no oh no, oh and dont forget to tell the good work guys. < 1409528318 63970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1409528318 219200 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1409528358 796509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: /msg nickserv help < 1409528367 345127 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1409528388 584888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google How do I register my nick on here? < 1409528388 963063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://freenode.net/faq.shtml < 1409528394 642004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thambdabot < 1409528409 569703 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thanks < 1409528411 931246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _was_ a good hit < 1409528495 391235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: i think the faq also has some tips on what to put in your registration < 1409528517 279503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1409528539 176453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of the server connecting < 1409528548 242994 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nickserve freenode or actually "nickserve"? < 1409528561 490320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nickserv" < 1409528572 969409 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1409528577 368346 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid e < 1409528611 440555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the freenode network, anyhow (thus my good hit comment) < 1409528646 318519 :ChrisMM!ad113eeb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.17.62.235 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1409528705 683997 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the wrong screen, I think it worked thanks. < 1409528757 414892 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fungot < 1409528757 570728 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: andy!! < 1409528757 773525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/hashtag/fungot < 1409528769 970640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I've had my nick for more than 10 years. < 1409528770 595214 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, he has a twitter. < 1409528790 752275 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no he doesn't. < 1409528821 135390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he does, it's just not active < 1409528835 907346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless fizzie has reactivated it recently < 1409528841 923496 :AndoDaan!~Daanando@188.189.71.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1409529061 486654 :CaretVeePomm!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:1cc:2c00:56cf:f803 NICK :^4 < 1409529083 962619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somehow doubt that's what those two girls were talking about, though