< 1409011210 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be incomplete, but I don't see why it would be inconsistent. < 1409011289 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's oerjan's proposed definition of "proofs"? < 1409011323 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: You can define "proofs" that way, but it will have unexpected properties, like provability of A and provability of B not necessarily implying provability of (A and B). ← that's not that unexpected if your axioms only have a finite amount of truth in them < 1409011335 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I'm not aware of logics that work like that < 1409011353 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tons where assumptions only have finite amounts of truth in them, but normally you can use the axioms as many times as you like < 1409011393 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409011395 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, there's a certain paradox here. < 1409011409 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :propositional logic comes close, but even there you can just make the statement's formula so big that it takes a while to write down a proof for it. < 1409011457 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no. you're aiming for something like "the smallest number that can not be defined in up to sixty characters" but you're missing the step that makes the notion circular. < 1409011471 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am? < 1409011476 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1409011490 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I can't parse your definitions, so I may be wrong. < 1409011513 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, consider this: "Theorem: One equals two. Proof: The first proof writable in less than ten words." < 1409011540 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose that a proof checker is capable of checking such proofs without being nonterminating. < 1409011553 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to be consistent, it will, of course, have to reject that proof. < 1409011576 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless one actually does equal two in that logic < 1409011592 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. s/sixty/eighty/ < 1409011612 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys. Guys. < 1409011638 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose that in modal logic, you take "necessary" to mean "provable in ZFC". < 1409011647 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "possible" to mean, of course, the dual of that. < 1409011656 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Gödel's incompleteness theorem has this delightful rendering: < 1409011663 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible." < 1409011719 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's put that in the topic < 1409011724 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, let's. < 1409011748 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible. < 1409011751 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Okay. So "the first proof of 'one equals two' writable in less than twenty words" is not a proof. < 1409011758 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409011769 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, apparently trying to change the topic crashes my IRC client < 1409011773 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least through the GUI < 1409011782 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, already been done < 1409011785 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1409011786 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523 < 1409011810 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I guess it's not obvious what it would mean for a proof system to accept that proof. < 1409011811 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1409011811 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: and it's quite possible that the object being defined, namely a proof of "one equals two" with fewer than twenty words doesn't exist. < 1409011859 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so since you treat it as a proof (which I would not), you get something that's actually circular. fine. < 1409011920 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of this in the curry-howard sense where proofs _are_ runnable programs. in which case that does seem obviously nonterminating. < 1409012014 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably won't typecheck either :P < 1409012017 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a "proof" in a Turing-complete proof system. < 1409012026 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such systems are incomplete. < 1409012027 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1409012029 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconsistent. < 1409012035 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type fix < 1409012036 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a < 1409012049 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type fix id < 1409012050 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1409012204 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, ok. what I thought you were doing was to take some standard proof system with a notion of proof size, such that the set of proofs up to some given size is finite. And then redefine "proof" by restricting the proofs to those of a given size. That gives a decidable notion of "proofs". < 1409012208 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sleep 20; if [ $(date +%M) = "15" ]; then echo did not write; else echo wrote; echo foo > tmp.txt; fi < 1409012250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not write < 1409012273 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, that was anticlimactic. < 1409012308 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what happens if the first iteration writes something to the repository, causing the bot to re-run it, and then on the second run it doesn't write anything. < 1409012355 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it makes sense that there's nothing to commit, so nothing interesting happens. :/ < 1409012455 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MINIATURE CHICKEN < 1409012458 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's the smallest number without its own Wikipedia article. < 1409012459 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it 247? < 1409012489 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant of the "smallest interesting number" thing? < 1409012535 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, it isn't a paradox, because not having a Wikipedia article isn't enough notability to get a Wikipedia article < 1409012587 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's an interesting experiment, but your timing seemed off: 01:14:48 `run sleep 20; if [ $(date +%M) = "15" ] ... < 1409012616 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The bot's timing is off, too. < 1409012627 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1409012628 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mon Aug 25 23:21:29 UTC 2014 < 1409012636 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm pretty sure it did what I expected, given that it took almost exactly 40 seconds (and not 20 seconds) to run. < 1409012638 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1409012640 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it's a bunch of seconds behind. < 1409012662 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the bot rerun something if the first iteration writes to the repository? < 1409012667 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: you should learn to use ntp ;) < 1409012732 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's slightly like STM. It obtains a non-exclusive lock for the first run, then if that actually caused some changes to commit, it obtains an exclusive lock, updates the cloned repository to contain the very latest information, and re-runs the command. < 1409012746 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So that nothing gets lost if you run concurrently two things that both write something. < 1409012864 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1409012888 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that doesn't sound very good for nondeterministic commands < 1409012910 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the wrong probability of stuff happening. < 1409012911 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess a reasonable optimization would be to only re-run the command if there actually have been any changes to the repository state.) < 1409012975 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The provided output is collected from the second run, and any changes the first run did are discarded, so it doesn't sound terribly bad either; you just get a different random sample. < 1409013066 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's slightly incorrect in terms of distributions; a .5 chance of writing to the repository actually only writes with a probability of .25, and so on. < 1409013211 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds quantum < 1409013258 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why the universe has those weird amplitudes < 1409013293 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing ever happens unless it happens twice < 1409013335 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this like that story about crashing the simulation? < 1409013619 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember that story, are you sure it happened *DUN DUN DUN* < 1409013701 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1409013701 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i played with cl a few of them are just really fast. < 1409013725 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm pretty sure i fixed that idris-ircslave, DID SOMEONE NOT SAVE? < 1409013734 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`show prefixes < 1409013735 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1409013738 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1409013743 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show prefixes < 1409013743 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !)S < 1409013778 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !)S < 1409013778 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1409013795 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes fizzie
< 1409013806 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what did you change? < 1409013812 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, idris-bot's name < 1409013821 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1409013822 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1409013826 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prefixes < 1409013830 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1409013841 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, pretty sure i fixed it on all three < 1409013874 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1409013874 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1409013888 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1409014079 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't find the story. It was some scifi thing where we all were part of a simulation (as it goes), and it was designed to dynamically allocate more resources and so on as humans managed to explore more, and then some guy convinced everyone to collaborate and do something involving a laser to a nearby star, and that happened earlier than the simulation administrators had expected, so it ... < 1409014085 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... went all haywire, starting by getting the orbits of the outer planets wrong, and then just plain crashing entirely. < 1409014129 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. i don't think i've heard of that. < 1409014142 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: were the effects as cute as https://xkcd.com/1409/ ? < 1409014294 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1409014311 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've located the "Simulated reality in fiction" WP article, but it's long, and some of the entries are missing descriptions. < 1409014333 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there it is. < 1409014358 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Touching Centauri", in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_Space_(book) < 1409014441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1409014459 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a short story. nice. < 1409014547 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409014548 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409015724 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409015737 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409016746 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409016936 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1409017134 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d1cd:f9ec:5e0c:f92c JOIN :#esoteric < 1409017160 0 :not^v!?@? NICK :^4 < 1409017788 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1409017899 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409018901 0 :hjulle_!?@? NICK :Hjulle < 1409019094 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409019323 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1409019380 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1409019507 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1409019901 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409020385 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvpdfylpvppafflb JOIN :#esoteric < 1409020982 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409021403 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1409021559 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409021567 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409021612 0 :Hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1409022048 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :silence < 1409022056 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no esoterics here tonight < 1409022093 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1409022100 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none < 1409022319 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1409022335 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :another useless product of the internet slavery < 1409022438 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1409022480 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409022545 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE mars639 < 1409022546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MaRs639: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1409022651 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why turing-complete? < 1409022691 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: do you know anything about the matrix of solidity? < 1409022731 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :àre these words pointing to an answer or another topic? < 1409022737 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1409022758 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda hard task < 1409022759 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda hard task < 1409022803 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like you < 1409022806 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool < 1409022806 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeing honest i have no cluse what makes an prog lang esoterically. < 1409022809 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :mars639 < 1409022831 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION happy
< 1409022836 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1409022838 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically. < 1409022846 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :esos means inner < 1409022887 0 :Tod-Autojoined!?@? NICK :TodPunk < 1409022918 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you explain endoderms < 1409022955 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does nooone answer my questions? < 1409023029 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1409023095 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1409023110 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, cool stuff here :P < 1409023138 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess the choice for the name was just ... to have a weird projection area :) < 1409023200 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine some complete hermetic sealed and sound syntax hehe < 1409023225 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge < 1409023248 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hermetic, but not turing-complete) < 1409023315 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin < 1409023325 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pritty much the same brainfuck < 1409023329 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry wrong chan :p < 1409023351 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing tapes kinda one-dimensional < 1409023363 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at befunge then < 1409023387 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say hello to mars639 < 1409023387 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bonus points for anyone who uses scm anymore. isn't chez closed? ( i'm in six channels related to scheme already. < 1409023416 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why are you obsessed about a language you are not written in? < 1409023416 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now i don't know it very well. < 1409023438 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some sense in that? i mean, is there some natural archetypical level crystalizing bewteen digits and the ana-log reality? or is this 'just" fun? < 1409023468 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just fun < 1409023478 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the no mostly? < 1409023566 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one in here managed to get a money prize from stephen wolfram once < 1409023573 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ancient chinese would be great start. < 1409023581 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ancient < 1409023591 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have post and preorders < 1409023610 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :grade of ancientness depends on the order you choose < 1409023637 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u want it reallt ancient just follow the line < 1409023645 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen, can I score a pound from you? < 1409023646 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre han < 1409023678 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have any chinese speakers here? i know some do japanese. < 1409023697 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know one, but he ain't talk much < 1409023722 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have a native korean < 1409023732 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no points for guessing north or south) < 1409023736 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :east < 1409023736 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they telepath/ < 1409023740 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1409023759 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a genetic thang < 1409023839 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there rumors about the cosmic arch language around < 1409023846 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :have u guys found that one? < 1409023867 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. turned out to be C++. kinda awkward. < 1409023869 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shall consist of the 256 original behaviours and things humans can group into. < 1409023883 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409023904 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow 60 of these things still remain in chinese/sanskrit and russian. < 1409023922 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, can I get that pound, it's even legal here mostly < 1409024005 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's also Biota, probably the world's only commercially successful esolang < 1409024013 0 :mauris__!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409024045 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously no idea what u are about < 1409024053 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am looking for telepaths < 1409024062 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i ended up here cause of the name confusion. < 1409024064 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1409024065 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1409024066 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1409024068 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :common mistake < 1409024073 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #esoteric on irc.dal.net < 1409024079 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am on it... < 1409024081 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: i already did that, maybe not very legibly < 1409024086 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know < 1409024097 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important to use the stock welcome when you actually want to welcome someone < 1409024100 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others are for, well < 1409024103 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure < 1409024105 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit < 1409024107 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing off how many welcome scripts you have, I thnk < 1409024109 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: it was pretty dead the one time i visited) < 1409024141 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the number of people who come to this #esoteric looking for the other one is pretty small < 1409024146 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are thse things calles 'esoteric'?? please dont lemmie go away like a fool. < 1409024169 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the name "esoteric" is a bit of a joke. < 1409024173 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're not mainstream, and have no intention of beign < 1409024175 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being < 1409024184 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, an "esoteric programming language" is one that's designed to be interesting or funny rather than useful. < 1409024204 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. esoteric = not main stream. (at least for freaky digital programmers). nice :) < 1409024222 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do tend to be difficult to understand. < 1409024251 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Googly thing defines the word as "intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest". So... yeah, they're that. < 1409024253 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. esoteric = *difficult to understand (cryptic, thats what programmers, well some, like) < 1409024354 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in 200 years it will be the bridge bewteen two the two major cults of this planet. so it has clearly great future. maybe you are not aware even of. listen to my vision :p < 1409024378 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us about the cults please < 1409024382 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cult of the left brainhalf and the cult of the right brainhalf < 1409024390 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND the cult of the balance of the two halfs. :) < 1409024392 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1409024401 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do have them all 3 in 1? < 1409024406 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks monadic :_) < 1409024421 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think music is a weird programming language. < 1409024428 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so analog. hard to control. < 1409024441 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :never the tunes twice < 1409024444 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonguing isn't that hard < 1409024480 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm the two brainhalfs fighting down in palestine < 1409024486 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :very old program conflict. < 1409024492 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :system failure sts < 1409024508 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah.... 200 years. minimum^^ < 1409024514 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old would you say the conflict involving a country not more than a hundred years old is, exactly < 1409024555 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conflict is as old as jerusalem is. < 1409024561 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :older < 1409024573 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is as old as jeru is and as salem is. < 1409024590 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is israel the left brain or the right brain < 1409024596 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the two. < 1409024600 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :two in fight. < 1409024604 0 :tempo!bcbc4dfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.188.77.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409024604 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :light 0 and 1. < 1409024615 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or day and night u know esoteric yin yang in not balance. < 1409024616 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "ascribe inscrutable motives to modern people because you're a fucking stupid racist" brain < 1409024623 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think all abrahamic religions are left brain, really < 1409024634 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much about books < 1409024645 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :good against evil. < 1409024661 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dia-ballein vs sym-ballein. < 1409024665 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is the good one mars639 (this is definitely where I want this conversation to go) < 1409024673 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being trolled pretty hard atm. < 1409024680 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good one is the BOTH in balance one. < 1409024692 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever saw day fighting the night or winter the summer? < 1409024698 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get over here so i can rip out your corpus callosum < 1409024699 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you promoting a one-state solution < 1409024715 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the illusive one the one where one party thinks it is the good one and the other is always the bad one. < 1409024736 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... in the end its one state. but no defined state. < 1409024762 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is it mars639 trolling you, or elliott_? < 1409024786 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is going on here < 1409024788 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, because these clichés actually irritates me, but elliott is still in who gives a shit mode < 1409024798 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: someone joined the wrong #esoteric < 1409024811 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Jeru and a Salem? < 1409024818 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike as you are referring to modern israel, yes. but they are referring to ancient israel themselves by the choice of their settlements. < 1409024821 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a salem, at least < 1409024839 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerusalem was founded when the two merged < 1409024840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: hm, new nick? < 1409024844 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523 < 1409024846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate nick < 1409024856 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old nick, indeed. < 1409024880 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, AFAICT the channel regulars are trying to make the conversation even more inscrutable than usual < 1409024886 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are even many jerus and salems, the crusaders copied and seeded the holy plaves. < 1409024888 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :*places < 1409024912 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I really want to know what this jeru and salem business is about < 1409024917 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1409024928 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :go digging in the mountain < 1409024931 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like reading snow crash all over again < 1409024933 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're saying Jerusalem is actually in Estonia, formerly the state of the Teutons. < 1409024942 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but beware of the mosque on top of it and that church. < 1409024959 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I just had a bad idea < 1409024965 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang based on esotericism < 1409024975 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: are you just stringing random words together because they sound deep < 1409024980 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike no i refer to the jerusalem in the orient aka palestine. < 1409024982 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do some bullshit about FUCKUP and the i ching and all that < 1409024985 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orient < 1409024986 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman empir jerusalem. < 1409024988 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you joking < 1409024991 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it east of < 1409025012 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1409025019 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the world is constructed, everything is east of everything else < 1409025020 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orient, aka palestine < 1409025034 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais you're saying we're in jeru salem right now < 1409025042 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some pkd shit right there < 1409025043 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw yeah < 1409025045 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerusalem in the orient aka palestine. < 1409025051 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :big hill < 1409025056 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempel of salomon. < 1409025058 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even live on a hill. < 1409025063 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Son of a bitch it all makes sense. < 1409025075 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: if you hadn't realised yet, this conversation has gone well beyond the point where it's going to make sense to anyone; the channel regulars are busy trolling each other < 1409025085 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I love this < 1409025091 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want more of mars639's nonsense < 1409025094 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse you, the only one i am being trolled by is irregular < 1409025099 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so explanations aren't actually going to make a whole lot of difference, because people are actively trying not to understand < 1409025104 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm < 1409025108 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dude hey < 1409025115 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually trying to parse as much meaning from every statement they make as possible < 1409025116 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already namedropped like three different mystic bullshitteries < 1409025118 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot is curious < 1409025121 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just very difficult < 1409025121 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am down with this shit < 1409025134 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that? FUCKUP? that's from illuminatus, motherfucker! < 1409025135 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the people who invented the division into occident and orient would have said jerusalem was in the center < 1409025143 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot what is diffucult < 1409025154 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hey i was reading that < 1409025157 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty deep, if i do say so myself. < 1409025158 0 :^4!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d1cd:f9ec:5e0c:f92c QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1409025166 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they must have made some kind of occident < 1409025180 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://everything2.com/title/Illuminatus%2521+bands the only important part < 1409025185 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d1cd:f9ec:5e0c:f92c JOIN :#esoteric < 1409025186 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone stated, that he would want to know more of that jeru and salem story. many archeologists would want too. they cant wait digging in teh hill. < 1409025191 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever read news? < 1409025200 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never. < 1409025210 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry then < 1409025210 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm literally googling "jeru and salem" < 1409025221 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you didn't just make this up entirely, mars639. are you sure. < 1409025222 0 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:d1cd:f9ec:5e0c:f92c QUIT :Client Quit < 1409025234 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I highly recommend snow crash < 1409025244 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.myth-weavers.com/showthread.php?t=273370 is this it mars639 < 1409025248 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: everytime i try an i ching reading i get frustrated because the damn thing is so conventional. < 1409025268 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i'm pretty sure this is sacrilegious somehow < 1409025287 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean can monks have hair that long i'm pretty sure they can't < 1409025293 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric : jerusalem was founded when the two merged < 1409025297 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the yaois, Bike < 1409025299 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know then? < 1409025309 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: like you I made it up < 1409025317 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like my yaois to be kosher < 1409025328 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats elliott_ because that's obviously what he wanted -----###
< 1409025331 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know i was born in jerusalem < 1409025336 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure you can just name drop me < 1409025344 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "As the same person, Jeru and Salem act the same in many ways. Both are very close to one another, to the point that they finish the sentences of each other, and refer to themselves as one person rather than two." see, this is exactly the kind of left brain, right brain, both brains in one brain stuff mars639 was talking about < 1409025344 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you left brained or right brained < 1409025351 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: whoa. < 1409025360 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they also gay then that doesn't make sense < 1409025363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: top brained < 1409025365 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need clarification on this point < 1409025370 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, front brained < 1409025376 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: b/c illuminati < 1409025379 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frontal lobe eh < 1409025379 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on which way i rotate my head < 1409025386 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my top ten lobes < 1409025400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be spined instead of brained < 1409025404 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1409025422 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now would you say you're more of a "neurohypophysis" or "adenohypophysis" kind of person < 1409025437 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which of your vertebrae would you say most reflects your actions in this muddled world < 1409025454 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: anyway, what do you think of yaoi < 1409025499 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike i would say < 1409025501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: cervical < 1409025506 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget your cathegories. < 1409025517 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And replace them with left brain and right brain? < 1409025560 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: you're dodging the question < 1409025562 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes the illuminati bullshit mindcrap fuck up industry neuroscience advertisments < 1409025572 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, do tell me about that. < 1409025576 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :are also aware of how to program humans. < 1409025581 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, I'm a neuroscientist. If I'm being fucked up I need to know. < 1409025590 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :all military does that/ < 1409025596 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :however. < 1409025602 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont be so rude. < 1409025613 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently worked for the VA. Am I the illuminati? Be honest, I can take it. < 1409025623 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1409025628 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :illuminati means blinder. < 1409025636 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u guys not even speak latin < 1409025638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you ever get an urge to immanentize the eschaton < 1409025651 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1409025657 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I just want to make sims go faster, though. < 1409025662 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's immanentization, at least. < 1409025693 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if what i'm immanentizing is simulated hearing damage. < 1409025702 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's how the world will end, really. < 1409025717 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immanentising the kant < 1409025756 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever read herman marcuse? < 1409025776 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm allergic to critical theory. < 1409025787 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause this binary domination shit is inherent in this technology. < 1409025823 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :on things is to think it the other to sense it. < 1409025831 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now both together :P < 1409025840 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, there are way better conspiracy theories you could be making. I'm just saying. < 1409025861 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sympathetic to ecological psychology, i don't believe in separating thought from sensation < 1409026019 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan u never tried. < 1409026070 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illuminati means blinder, eh? < 1409026095 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: never tried what? < 1409026101 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ching, probably < 1409026110 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i was going to quibble on that http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/illuminatus#Latin < 1409026120 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're sure it's not the plural of the past participle of "illuminare"? < 1409026138 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Jerusalem < 1409026152 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, what the fuck is a participle < 1409026162 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: illumino you barbaric infinitive-user < 1409026170 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u can also ask the next quantum. it will truly reflect your state of mind :) < 1409026189 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an inflected form of a verb that behaves kind of like an adjective sometimes? < 1409026200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible. < 1409026201 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quantum", there's another Latin word. I think it means "how much". < 1409026202 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just a binder < 1409026205 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you jerk < 1409026213 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :blinder < 1409026216 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a bider. < 1409026219 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bilnder < 1409026220 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know. Someone who bides. < 1409026234 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey i put the channel name in on purpose. also, did you change anything else? < 1409026248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oops, that was irssi completion striking again < 1409026258 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats true. how much of propability i guess. < 1409026276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you type /t and it auto-completes the topic, but if the topic starts with the channel name then it's read as /t #channelname newtopic) < 1409026283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible. < 1409026290 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the i gingg used to "read" the univers in u can read also teh local phone book. same effect. < 1409026306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was trying to get rid of the space at the end of the topic but apparently there wasn't one in the first place. < 1409026307 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a holographic universe u can read everything at avery corner. < 1409026313 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses a phonebook any more < 1409026325 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1409026330 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1409026346 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan what are u reading is your own intuition. < 1409026356 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sense. in realtime^^ < 1409026372 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a holographic universe? < 1409026374 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooone know how that truly works with that preception delay and stuff < 1409026394 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett thats the core principle of esoterics. < 1409026405 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least of hermetics: as above so below / < 1409026414 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :micro corresponds to micro < 1409026433 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the i ging is a mirror of you and reflects 1 to 1 your inner state. < 1409026439 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all - not much fancy. < 1409026446 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not the book - its you. < 1409026485 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: yes but my intuition is split in at least two incompatible parts. < 1409026493 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1409026499 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there was a New Scientist article about that a while back; apparently, because of all the different Theories of Everything with competing numbers of dimensions, a scientist came up with a method that they thought could pin down definitively how many dimensions the universe had, and thus which theory was correct < 1409026501 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turned out to be 2 < 1409026503 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :left... right... neuro... adeno... < 1409026509 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space dimensions, that is < 1409026527 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u have a deep question burning on your soul, you naturally, w/o any i ging from china, will call for your intutive brainfunction. < 1409026533 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a pretty good method < 1409026547 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the evidence is pretty conclusive that the number of ordinary spatial dimensions is actually 3. < 1409026560 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh < 1409026566 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever, like, actually seen down < 1409026578 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett can u imagine other number than 3? < 1409026580 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is best at its worst < 1409026592 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what special spatial dimensions < 1409026608 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1409026611 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so he proved the holographic hypothesis? great! < 1409026634 0 :tempo!bcbc4dfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.188.77.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1409026651 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this discussion could use some 4chan. let's pick a topic. < 1409026653 0 :Tempo!bcbd50df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.189.80.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409026654 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How many calories would be in a brick? How would you measure that?" < 1409026656 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: yeah. < 1409026661 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like, if all you did was eat things like bricks, bars of iron, panes of glass, etc, would you gain or lose weight? Ignoring the obvious nutritional deficiencies." < 1409026664 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can pretty easily imagine a two-dimensional universe. < 1409026667 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it true that the machines made us thinking digital? < 1409026677 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even logarithmical? < 1409026678 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a neuroscientist i can confirm that yes < 1409026687 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1409026692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is what /started/ the holographic hypothesis, I think < 1409026706 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People think digitally? < 1409026711 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theses electrical beeings are really going to take over the planet and enslave a to neurobots? < 1409026713 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pretty sure that the brain is mostly analog. < 1409026717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this channel is best at its worst ← I disagree, I think < 1409026727 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: that's a bit of a leap < 1409026735 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we certainly don't *know* what these electrical beings are going to do... do we? < 1409026736 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's digital in logic level, but analog in time < 1409026738 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett well we adapt more to the machine then the machine to us. < 1409026740 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh < 1409026745 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, that's true. < 1409026745 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it passed the turing test < 1409026747 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: perhaps. < 1409026751 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we didnt recogniced. < 1409026765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: what, it was better at pretending to be a woman than a human man was? < 1409026776 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, so I'm reading about quantum electrodynamics. < 1409026787 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How, when light travels from place to place, it actually takes every possible path simultaneously. < 1409026792 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the machine can now lie. < 1409026795 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :path integral formulation, right? < 1409026806 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not understand moral < 1409026810 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor humor. < 1409026811 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, the weirdest part of quantum electrodynamics is the fact that probabilities have a direction, and can cancel out < 1409026811 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter". < 1409026812 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lies. < 1409026816 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats is interesting. < 1409026820 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm dumb and I don't know what a Lagrangian is. < 1409026828 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I even spell Lagrangian right? That doesn't look right. < 1409026830 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :light taking every path simultaneously is minor compared to that < 1409026832 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: god, i read "probability per unit time per unit area" the other day and just gave up < 1409026835 0 :Tempo_!3ecd53aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.83.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409026847 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what am i supposed to do with that. < 1409026880 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, what I don't understand is how all this matches up with the "ordinary" behavior of waves. < 1409026883 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's like electrical flux" no, fuck you, i can't flip a lightswitch with probability flux < 1409026891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's what the directional probabilities are for < 1409026895 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, sound does a whole lot of the same things as Feynman's light. < 1409026897 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they rotate over time < 1409026900 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably actually pretty easy to understand. < 1409026907 0 :Tempo!bcbd50df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.189.80.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1409026916 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you think that < 1409026939 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsweet the signal is analog? < 1409026948 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actionpotential? < 1409026961 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pritty much binary < 1409026962 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is probably referring to time coding. < 1409026963 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :neural nets? < 1409026967 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :analog?? < 1409026973 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spikes are all or nothing, but take place at non-"digital" times. < 1409026974 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1409026977 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time. < 1409026978 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wave equation is simple. Light behaves like the wave equation. Therefore, light behaves simply. Or whatever. < 1409026981 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u are in advanced siddhis :) < 1409026982 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1409026990 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's siddhis? < 1409027005 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hiddena nd forbidden skills < 1409027006 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"spiritual, magical, paranormal, or supernatural powers acquired through sadhana (spiritual practices), such as meditation and yoga" < 1409027015 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :going through walls < 1409027018 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum tricks < 1409027024 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aerontautic and other stuff < 1409027027 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u know. < 1409027030 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do know < 1409027049 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a nice series of short stories set in a world where Planck's constant is much, much larger < 1409027055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that humans can diffract by walking through a line of trees, etc. < 1409027059 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it's called < 1409027091 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of... Greg Egan's Orthogonal? < 1409027109 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a certain sign is flipped and so time behaves the same way as space. < 1409027123 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think essentially, the universe had four spatial dimensions and no temporal dimensions. < 1409027125 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i write my esoteric language best in c++? < 1409027136 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah use python < 1409027138 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the language. < 1409027141 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple, hard to fuck up too badly < 1409027142 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett thats funny < 1409027150 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :#dimension i think its the same. < 1409027169 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u can view object at place A and at place B. < 1409027175 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think a two-dimensional written language would be cool. < 1409027184 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt matter in which system. < 1409027199 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and between u just _assume_ time. a state change. < 1409027200 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil has one of those < 1409027215 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Bike for suggesting anything other than haskell -----###
< 1409027218 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is a one-dimensional language. You can't say two words at the same time, and time is one-dimensional. < 1409027218 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: I'm curious, how old are you < 1409027220 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something only someone who's never seen a boustrophedon would say. < 1409027227 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot 18 and you? < 1409027230 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen boustrophedon. < 1409027235 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1409027235 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1409027237 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding < 1409027238 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afraid you'd be older than me < 1409027239 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1409027245 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wont tell u/ < 1409027248 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is 3, I think. < 1409027252 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's my baby cousin. < 1409027252 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 19. < 1409027255 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1409027255 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to much cathegorization. < 1409027255 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. < 1409027258 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My little kid cousin. < 1409027265 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: 26? < 1409027266 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: did you know that you have a little brother now? < 1409027268 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have told you. < 1409027270 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1409027270 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409027291 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's, like, 1 or something. < 1409027298 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm bad at keeping track of this stuff. < 1409027300 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more then exploiting the gift of countabily isnt with the digits. < 1409027310 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ends up in the upper three of the tree. < 1409027318 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What day was my dad born? Was it the... holy crap his birthday is in a couple of days? < 1409027320 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question of subatomic "decisions". < 1409027327 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was before and after. < 1409027330 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :defines what is? < 1409027336 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vice versa. < 1409027344 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: if you talked to someone who was talking the same way as you are now, would you understand what they're saying and be able to communicate ideas effectively with them? < 1409027357 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot intuitively yes. < 1409027362 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause its me, of course. < 1409027373 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: okay, but about different things, with different assumptions. < 1409027374 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but incidentically you do :) < 1409027409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well it's easier than talking to zzo38; mars639 explains preëmptively < 1409027413 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot notm necessarlily contraditcing. just on many levels at the same time (analog and synchron) < 1409027414 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm halfway through reading this book about quantum electrodynamics. < 1409027423 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I understand zzo38 way more than mars639 < 1409027430 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I mean the talking style < 1409027433 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey look, a diaëresis. < 1409027437 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38's easier to understand because the subject matter is more familiar < 1409027444 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it took me ages to remember the compose sequence for that < 1409027449 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I gave up and used altgr-[ < 1409027455 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman's even easier to understand. < 1409027473 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so u dont get that with the time. < 1409027483 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u still hold on 4 lines. fine. < 1409027490 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman says that QED explains everything except gravity and nuclear phenomena. < 1409027494 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mayans had an interesting view. < 1409027499 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... a really successful theory. < 1409027504 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pritty like time = energy = endless or so < 1409027518 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could say that about maxwell's equations, i guess. < 1409027528 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly "as successful as maxwell's equations" is also pretty good < 1409027534 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe sry for trolling but its too temptative < 1409027539 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you fetishise dead civilisations because you find yourself unable to think coherent thoughts in your present one < 1409027541 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may be forgiven
< 1409027551 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1409027559 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont fetishise. < 1409027571 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :u dont answer on the geometrical model u put up. < 1409027638 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was "time" as a concept of 'spatial changes' as newton and the ancients (greeks mainly) used it. < 1409027658 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. was nice talk so far :) < 1409027662 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this reminds me of the theory that the spacing of the planets around Earth is based on the densest possible nesting of platonic solids < 1409027662 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok really though how ancient are we talking < 1409027674 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayans, pre-han chinese, and classical greece are pretty far away, time wise < 1409027684 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did "ancient Greece" begin? < 1409027695 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah all these old concepts. < 1409027700 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably after the dark ages? < 1409027704 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine they lived in the same physics like we do! < 1409027710 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancient Greece after the Dark Ages? < 1409027711 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the magnets were what stronger hu < 1409027716 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greek dark ages. < 1409027724 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. The Greek Dark Ages. < 1409027725 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats interesting yes < 1409027727 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when homer was chillin', i believe. < 1409027736 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in china with buddha who knows. < 1409027737 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aristotle and plato and all them fucks were later. < 1409027770 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, pythagoras was like a hundred years years before plato too. < 1409027776 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :naja mind just doesnt matter. or does it? < 1409027786 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Ancient Greece began when Ancient Greek began. < 1409027790 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did people first start speaking Greek? < 1409027792 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buddhism didn't exist in china before the han dynasty, really. < 1409027829 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhas < 1409027833 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you remember qin shi huang. < 1409027835 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :existed since time exist. < 1409027838 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a buddhist. < 1409027842 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok great, but they weren't in china. < 1409027843 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the buddhists. < 1409027849 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are everywhere/ < 1409027859 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least according to buddhists. < 1409027866 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not in china :P < 1409027868 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've got you there, Bike. < 1409027869 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, dude, they weren't. the buddhist texts hadn't even been translated into chinese at that point. < 1409027886 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know buddhists. they ain't stupid. they know this. it's not some young earth bullshit. < 1409027890 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what "Buddha" refers to besides that Siddhartha Gautama guy whose name I'm probably misspelling. < 1409027899 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhas are enlightent beeings. < 1409027905 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have always existed. < 1409027911 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an enlightened being, of which there ahve been various, but i don't think any in the current iteration before siddhartha? < 1409027922 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont refer to siddharta < 1409027924 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fault < 1409027940 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yeah, siddhartha was the first in the yuga i guess. < 1409027955 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes in our time-cycle. < 1409027958 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's four billion years or so < 1409027959 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather pre-china < 1409027963 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1409027973 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did people first start speaking Chinese, eh? < 1409027973 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow u are informed **respect** < 1409027976 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, buddhists do not in fact believe that buddhas have always been in china. < 1409027985 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett good question. < 1409028008 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no Hindus belive that Buddhas existed always everywhere. < 1409028019 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you are right. < 1409028032 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: btw i'm pretty sure before the greek dark ages you had mycenaean and other non-"greek" things, so a good starting point for "ancient greece" imo < 1409028032 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buddhism sees itself as universal. < 1409028044 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bounded to nations, races, or whatever. < 1409028071 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we dont know shit form that time. < 1409028079 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in the west. < 1409028091 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm immersing myself in quantum electrodynamics, I find myself wondering about probability amplitudes of Buddhas manifesting at various places and times. < 1409028113 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of wondering? < 1409028127 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a nonzero probability that a Buddha who died tonight in New York City would reincarnate in France in the 1660s. < 1409028132 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that Buddhas are electrons. < 1409028147 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that wheeler? < 1409028148 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the process of a breath reflects the process of the universe. < 1409028149 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sorta. < 1409028149 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... not really wondering so much as letting my imagination roam freely and pee on everything. < 1409028155 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's kind of a pre-quantum theory. < 1409028163 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, maybe. < 1409028166 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wasn't what Wheeler? < 1409028168 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett lol < 1409028177 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe < 1409028189 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess not pre-quantum then. < 1409028212 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, maybe they are hidden in the protons or something" < 1409028261 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd need to have an anti-Buddha for a while though. < 1409028271 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some kind of benjamin button asura. < 1409028273 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1409028280 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :again in duality. < 1409028281 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a Buddha traveling from A to B is the same as an anti-Buddha traveling from B to A. < 1409028288 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be but always a surrounding ONE. < 1409028291 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, see. < 1409028296 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess there's another way you could think of it. < 1409028296 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uni-verse is not to split. < 1409028313 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :semper tertium est. < 1409028316 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for catholics. < 1409028319 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :are u? < 1409028321 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is that a Buddha is born in France in the 1660s, thereby also producing an anti-Buddha. < 1409028324 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1409028329 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they pushed the magic button at your backhead?? oO < 1409028341 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put the spoken quantum water over it? < 1409028346 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anti-Buddha then "reincarnates" as the Buddha dying in New York City. < 1409028363 0 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1409028374 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, bifurcation diagrams look so much like Feynman diagrams. < 1409028404 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett are u firm with electrics? < 1409028429 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am currently renovating.. well but what i mean can u maybe explain me one thing yeah? < 1409028431 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, really? can you give me an example? none of the bifurcation diagrams i've seen seemed too feynmany. < 1409028432 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :please? < 1409028467 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: depends on what you mean by "electrics". < 1409028478 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1409028484 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, 90% of the feynman diagrams i've seen have just been http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/fimg88.gif, and the rest were ones in GEB that i think were jokey < 1409028485 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so u cant. < 1409028508 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can u explain me what produces magentic forces?\ < 1409028508 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they're both directed graphs where the vertices obey whatever rules. < 1409028515 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving electrons. < 1409028522 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Bike said. < 1409028531 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for a deeper explanation than that? Nope, I have no idea. < 1409028537 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and electrics flowing electrons. < 1409028542 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about spinning electrons. < 1409028543 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that model does not hold. < 1409028555 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm taking electrodynamics this semester, so hopefully i'll understand at some point. < 1409028557 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha something. now its getting precies. < 1409028581 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause newton never found his contra-force. < 1409028586 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :he looked and looked < 1409028598 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right, i was going to read https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/ again, or rather attempt to do so. < 1409028599 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried to apply his own first principle. < 1409028620 0 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1409028633 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he couldnt find and after hiim some years later they continued assuming that there exists nothing like anti-grav and developed the model in a certain branch. < 1409028641 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a contra-force? < 1409028663 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the force produced by any force. < 1409028679 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the travelling buddhas. < 1409028711 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forces produce forces, eh? < 1409028718 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how photons can emit electrons which emit photons? < 1409028741 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes if u push the table, table starts mystically to push you (physicians say). < 1409028764 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicians < 1409028782 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :newton mechanics < 1409028796 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what's mystical about it. You've got electrons, the table's got electrons. Electrons repel electrons. < 1409028800 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newton's third law as applied to gravity tells you that the "contra-force" to gravity is in fact: gravity. < 1409028801 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :friction? < 1409028803 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2spooky. < 1409028815 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you bring your hand and the table really really close together, your electrons and the table's electrons push each other. < 1409028838 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike he himself looked for it and could not find it. but the law stated him to look for. i just refer to what this man left us. < 1409028849 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he found it, it was gravity < 1409028853 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1409028857 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, there are not many complicated feynman diagrams on google though < 1409028865 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he didnt and was very unhappy about. < 1409028890 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't give a shit, he figured god was doing everything < 1409028892 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tswett what induces magnetic forces on the earth? < 1409028903 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earth spins on its axis *guitar riff* < 1409028905 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars639: I have no idea. < 1409028921 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what kind of bifurcation diagram are you thinking about btw, i've never heard of a bifurcation diagram being a directed graph < 1409028954 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork_bifurcation#mediaviewer/File:Pitchfork_bifurcation_supercritical.svg how about this one? < 1409028968 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not really a directed graph. < 1409028973 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys was nice troll < 1409028976 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like a picture of a directed graph. < 1409028984 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think of it more as a vector field... < 1409028991 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish u many good karma and aother quantum fx :) < 1409029001 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting on that pound bro < 1409029001 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adiós, mars639. < 1409029015 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but look, there's a vertex right in the middle of the diagram! < 1409029019 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nn and nice room < 1409029022 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Circle_map_bifurcation.jpeg < 1409029025 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you know, confused < 1409029027 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :farewell mars639 < 1409029032 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do come again < 1409029037 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1409029040 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1409029058 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the circle map bifurcation diagram has a lot of detail. < 1409029060 0 :mars639!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: irc2go < 1409029060 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what these colors mean < 1409029086 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, a simple bifurcation diagram, that's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LogisticMap_BifurcationDiagram.png, then a point is just part of the stable set for the given parameter < 1409029103 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's different from the pitchfork bifurcation picture, which i'd call like... a diagram of a bifurcation? it's not the same thing, i dunno < 1409029122 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bifurcation diagram with just one bifurcation? < 1409029140 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "part of the stable set"? Is it a periodic point? < 1409029141 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i think i've literally never realized that < 1409029152 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the simple pitchforky diagrams are the same as the logistic bullshit one < 1409029153 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1409029155 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes. < 1409029169 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that's the wrong term huh. < 1409029171 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in my defense, < 1409029184 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit set, i think i meant, actually. < 1409029193 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that to show up on this picture, it has to be attractive. < 1409029200 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limit set, hmm. That sounds about right. < 1409029211 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. the set of points it ends up at. < 1409029228 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the stable set is uh, the set of points you can start at to get to whatever attracting point(s). < 1409029233 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why we should call everything manifolds < 1409029265 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1409029296 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else is like whatchamie diagrams? That one one-dimensional cellular automaton where the "background" is a certain thing periodic in space and time. < 1409029322 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaceships in it remind me of particles. < 1409029351 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what makes it a little bit compelling is the fact that there's essentially a conservation law. < 1409029391 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each spaceship, the background in front of it is shifted however many steps relative to the background behind it. Any collision between spaceships has to conserve this shift number. < 1409029401 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: rule 110? < 1409029442 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1409029448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to fit all your requirements, and I doubt there's another non-equivalent one that does < 1409029451 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the one. < 1409029492 0 :mars256!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409029505 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back < 1409029507 0 :mars256!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :open tab < 1409029510 0 :mars256!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rational-buddhism.blogspot.nl/2012/01/buddhism-quantum-physics-and-mind.html < 1409029577 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^)()~((())~:a~*):a~*~^!(~((!())(!:^(^)*)(!!:^(!^)*))~*^!!^):^(~((()())(:a~*:(*(!^)(:)S)~*~(!*(^)(^)S)~*):a~**((!^)~^!^)(!(^)~^^))~*^( )S!!a:(*)*~(~*)**^~*(()()(!)()(!)(:a~*:(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(^)*)))~*~(!^(!^((!^)*)(!(^)*))(!^((^)*)(!(!^)*)))~*):^)~*^!!!!!!~:^):^ < 1409029578 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^:^^^:^^^^^:^^^^^^:::^^^^^^^^:::^^^:^^^^::^ :^^^:^^^:::^^^::::^::^^::::::^::^^:^^^::^:^^ ^^:^^^:^::^^:^:::^^:^^^:::::^^:^^^^^:^:^^^^^ :^^^:^^^:^^^^^::^^^^^:^::::^^^^^:::^^^^^:::: ^^:^^^:^^^:::^:^^:::^^^:::^^:::^::^^:::^:::: ^^^^:^^^:^::^^^^^::^^:^::^^^::^^:^^^::^^:::^ :::^^^:^^^:^^:::^:^^^^^:^^:^:^^^^^:^:^^^::^^ ::^^:^^^: ...too much output! < 1409029584 0 :mars256!~mars@541A2A48.cm-5-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1409029595 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, why do they always go for copenhagen. < 1409029603 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many other interpretations! < 1409029609 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not bohm. it's insane, that's good in an interpretation < 1409029630 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the bohm interpretation? < 1409029636 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, /all/ quantum interpretations are insane < 1409029643 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the thing they're trying to interpret is insane < 1409029690 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is simple once you think about it for long enough. < 1409029692 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bohm interpretation is the one that's deterministic and only uses schrodinger's equation. it's also nonlocal tho. < 1409029704 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything depends on everything else at all times. v. budhdist i'm sure < 1409029710 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: Proofs of the Bolzano–Weierstrass theorem. < 1409029831 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it inspired the bell experiments or something? i just like it because nobody seems to believe it < 1409029928 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i disagree. the bolzano-weierstrass theorem is trivial hth < 1409029979 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember ever seeing a proof that didn't seem excessively complicated. < 1409030013 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on wikipedia seems simple enough < 1409030034 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, yeah, the proof on Wikipedia does seem simple enough. < 1409030049 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because i can picture it in my head < 1409030076 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the proof I saw was more like "just repeatedly divide space into arbitrarily chosen boxes and such-and-such happens infinitely many times". < 1409030092 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1409030096 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy. < 1409030134 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every interval contains uncountably many normal numbers, right? < 1409030164 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1409030254 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adjust initial digits of numbers you already know are normal to get them into the interval < 1409030266 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0, 0] < 1409030272 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate athiests < 1409030285 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits elliott_ with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1409030299 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*athiests and oerjan < 1409030363 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate oerjanists < 1409030364 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some interval contains uncountably many normal numbers, right? < 1409030387 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realizes that he took his phd in a subject that made him think of subdividing "space into arbitrarily chosen boxes" as trivial
< 1409030411 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad move < 1409030510 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: different proof: given that non-normal numbers have measure 0, they do not fill any non-trivial interval < 1409030551 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that and that any set of measure > 0 is uncountable. < 1409030629 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so strengthen that to: every set of measure > 0 contains a set of normal numbers of the same measure. < 1409030719 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subdividing space into arbitrarily chosen boxes is simple, yeah. < 1409030725 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems like it should be even simpler. < 1409030727 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1409030736 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an easy proof that the non-normal numbers have measure 0? < 1409030796 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure < 1409030819 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's using the law of large numbers, essentially < 1409030827 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the digit sequence < 1409030919 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically choosing a random number in [0,1] is the same as choosing every digit after the decimal point independently uniformly < 1409030955 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by the law of large numbers the probability is 1 that the density of a digit is 1/base < 1409031007 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy conceptually, but the assumptions may not be trivial to prove :P < 1409031064 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. I guess the product of countably many 1s is 1. < 1409031072 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, makes sense. < 1409031356 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1409031507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: can the product of uncountably many 1s be less than 1? < 1409032072 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nt < 1409032242 0 :Tempo_!3ecd53aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.83.170 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1409032965 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvpdfylpvppafflb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1409033102 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1409034634 0 :mauris__!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409034909 0 :mauris__!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409035095 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1409036010 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1409036220 0 :Tie-Soul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot < 1409036221 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tie-Soul: u puts have cant who SP what square. < 1409036899 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409036912 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409038658 0 :Tie-Soul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1409039179 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1409041278 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409041509 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@m83-187-213-252.cust.tele2.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409042950 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A small unknown company called Microsoft approached Onion Labs to help promote their "computing software" Internet Explorer 9. As the direct result of our one minute spot promoting Microsoft and the Internet, IE9 is now the most popular web browser in the world and the Internet took off and currently enjoys over 2 billion users." < 1409042950 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE9 and up are still not good despite all the claims by Microsoft) < 1409043173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that IE11 is finally good, but that might well be another rumour they started. < 1409043748 0 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1409043888 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a third-party cookie free way to confirm whether someone is authenticated by a co-operating domain? < 1409043909 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't parse your statement. < 1409043918 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean question. < 1409043919 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can imagine flows involving user clicking through < 1409043982 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :example.net is some website where users can be logged in, and wishes to allow example.com to know whether a given user is logged in. How does example.com find out whether a given user is logged in on example.net < 1409043996 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without third-party cookies. < 1409044029 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSONP to example.net? < 1409044070 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that not use a third-party cookie? example.com initiating a request to example.net causing example.net's cookies to get sent? < 1409044114 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you should see the cookie privacy policies we have in the EU, anyway < 1409044125 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every site pops up an overlay box telling you they're setting cookies, by law < 1409044134 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me P3P any day over that < 1409044147 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: without having a third-party cookie, how do you track the authentication information on THAT co-operating domain after all? < 1409044165 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If every major browser supported P3P, I would not have an issue with it < 1409044238 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly I don't believe example.com and example.net should be able to collaborate so easily.) < 1409044261 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("cooperation" in the eyes of administrators is not cooperation in the eyes of users.) < 1409044420 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have other complains about IE, come to think of it < 1409044481 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft maintains a list of sites that IE will act like older IE when visiting. At least for our site, an old portion of it was badly affected by IE pretending to not be IE while using the old IE rendering engine < 1409044502 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I know UA sniffing is evil. I did mention old portion of site) < 1409044541 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1409044551 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, microsoft don't want broken sites to break and people to blame IE < 1409044569 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've ever read the Old New Thing you shouldn't be surprised they do that kind of thing :p < 1409044589 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But being on the list broke the site anyway < 1409044613 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no granularity... they (and users) can't set a.example.com to one setting and b.example.com to a different setting < 1409044667 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep. Again. < 1409045311 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409045783 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1409045783 0 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409045986 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409046163 0 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1409046174 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409046185 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409047050 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409047216 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@m83-187-213-252.cust.tele2.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot < 1409047217 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: Keepo in if movesets battle? yet? befunge-98? DOOT what have often his xbax revive? you guys beedrill prophet hey interpretations! use and for. < 1409047331 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, in chess, how does a rook move? < 1409047346 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? fungot? where are you? < 1409047693 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@m83-187-213-252.cust.tele2.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doot, where's fungot? < 1409047693 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: because yes tadpole colress years! wut? I sense. across races, Leonys and (it that. becaus why response, far and get read with. < 1409047782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`where is fungot < 1409047782 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: where: not found < 1409047784 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@m83-187-213-252.cust.tele2.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems he's becoming sentient: "I sense." < 1409047787 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whereis fungot < 1409047788 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1409048146 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@m83-187-213-252.cust.tele2.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1409050144 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409051465 0 :alise!~alise@90.210.225.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409051486 0 :alise!~alise@90.210.225.28 PART #esoteric : < 1409051688 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409051867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409053161 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1409053214 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409053217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is. < 1409053460 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungellot. < 1409053460 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wrong channel? < 1409053474 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: right channel. < 1409053475 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: seems ok? 5) < 1409053480 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it is ok. < 1409053480 0 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, thanks. :) < 1409053493 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I love your bot. < 1409053684 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, what is a “5)” face? I can't picture the facial expression...) < 1409054188 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of specialized eyewear, I think. < 1409054194 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think Google Glass but different. < 1409054482 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Google Different.
< 1409054996 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MAKALÖSE CHICKEN < 1409056601 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1409057053 0 :mauris__!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409057490 0 :mauris__!?@? NICK :mauris < 1409058351 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409060638 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409061892 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1409062484 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409062746 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409062876 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1409062974 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409063708 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409063718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aheui14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40352&oldid=36391 5* 03223.62.169.75 5* (+55) 10/* External resources */ Interpreter in Ruby < 1409064211 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409064290 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Well, when you select from a continuous distribution, the probability of getting any particular number is 0, so you could say that the sum of uncountably many 0s can be 1. < 1409064291 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1409064399 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe they're called integrals. < 1409064476 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. an integral ain't exactly a sum. < 1409064530 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the integral of uncountably many points could be anything you want, so it isn't saying much to say it could be 1. < 1409064754 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands tswett the set of numbers not normal in base b
< 1409065258 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1409065314 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the point is that it doesn't have to be 0. < 1409065341 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION applies a bijection which turns them into the real numbers.
< 1409065973 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409066105 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409066195 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409066266 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409066279 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409066517 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409066536 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409066548 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1409066671 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409066686 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409066810 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409066826 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409066840 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "!dlroW olleH">:#,_@ < 1409066840 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1409066850 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry it won't work if EgoBot's online < 1409066891 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4(M.@ < 1409066891 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 < 1409066903 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 . < 1409066904 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program. < 1409066975 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's set at 300 chars of output or 800 ticks to say that. < 1409066987 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I up that? < 1409067066 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1409067068 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try something < 1409067083 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CPII"4(D@ < 1409067083 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program. < 1409067086 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1409067088 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1409067108 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ff0000"foo";@0.;# o1.@ < 1409067108 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 < 1409067131 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, what < 1409067133 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 y.@ < 1409067134 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1409067153 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1409067190 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you run the handprint converting program thing on it? :P < 1409067196 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "5 peels"=0.@ < 1409067206 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1409067212 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be reflecting on = < 1409067219 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1409067220 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is < 1409067225 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say anything with no input < 1409067229 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :output* < 1409067246 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should change it to say "no output" in that case < 1409067255 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 would be more convenient for one-liners < 1409067301 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 M.@.1 < 1409067302 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1409067318 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using !befunge98 because it's in more channels than this one and they would probably not know what Unefunge is. < 1409067331 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't prevent you from having both < 1409067337 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1409067338 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1409067338 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a line break character for !befunge? < 1409067363 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1409067369 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly < 1409067392 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I could convert \n to newlines < 1409067399 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :could do that easily actually < 1409067415 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 28'@'@:*:**:***-{@ < 1409067489 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1409067497 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you trying to do there? < 1409067506 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crash it :-P < 1409067524 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It exited successfully < 1409067589 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409067614 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409067617 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "@@@@}":*:*****:k:kk:1.@.0 < 1409067679 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's running the python mostly-mycology-passing one? < 1409067694 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!55+'tset'.....@ < 1409067698 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1409067706 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1409067708 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's running the ruby mostly-mycology one < 1409067711 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 55+'tset'.....@ < 1409067712 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program. < 1409067713 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ruby < 1409067731 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bignum anyway I guess < 1409067739 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 55+"tset".....@ < 1409067740 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :116 101 115 116 10 < 1409067747 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 55+"tset",,,,,@ < 1409067748 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1409067757 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a"tset">:#,_@ < 1409067757 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1409067773 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 ....@ < 1409067773 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 0 < 1409067787 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft optimization is a mug's game. < 1409067800 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 >v\n >5.@ < 1409067800 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1409067803 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1409067807 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n now works < 1409067820 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 >v\n >5.@ < 1409067821 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program. < 1409067830 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ;' ';' ' < 1409067830 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program. < 1409067838 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :v still works in unefunge mode right now < 1409067839 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1409067902 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprints too, you think? < 1409067917 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 "AMOR"4(M.@ < 1409067917 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 < 1409067921 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1409067929 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1409067950 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "AMOR"4(MMXVI-+++.@ < 1409067950 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 < 1409067955 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1409067956 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 ~.@.-10 < 1409067967 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409067972 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1409067980 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 @ < 1409067980 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1409068007 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 7y.@ < 1409068008 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1409068011 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :input won't work < 1409068021 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: unefunge should have dimensionality 1 instead of 2 < 1409068022 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still takes input from stdin < 1409068029 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know deew < 1409068036 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "deew". < 1409068041 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix it someday < 1409068053 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't have an unefunge mode < 1409068054 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!unefunge98 ay.by.cy.dy.@ < 1409068055 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 4 0 1 < 1409068061 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an alias without \n. < 1409068075 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1409068149 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaait < 1409068156 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ~ < 1409068169 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, never teminates < 1409068171 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1409068179 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409068325 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409068328 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :input functions will now not do anything < 1409068334 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ~.@ < 1409068334 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1409068341 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 1~.@ < 1409068342 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1409068344 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might want to make them reflect instead though < 1409068354 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a lot less surprising < 1409068395 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409068402 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!trifunge98 1, < 1409068411 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409068411 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no trefunge < 1409068417 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame < 1409068422 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ~.@ < 1409068422 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1409068431 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doomed to flatness. < 1409068435 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 1~.@.. < 1409068435 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 < 1409068448 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh what < 1409068457 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1409068458 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ reflects < 1409068465 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: ~ reflects. < 1409068466 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you made it duplicate for a sec < 1409068467 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1409068470 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case < 1409068476 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: ~ reflects ? < 1409068490 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: ~ reflects < 1409068522 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4(#@If.@ < 1409068522 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1409068530 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, even ESAB:I reflects < 1409068538 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASE:I < 1409068539 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1409068589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409068611 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 #.1# t5.@ < 1409068611 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much output or non-terminating program. < 1409068614 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1409068629 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1409068642 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 #.1# t5.@z < 1409068642 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 5 < 1409068666 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good right? < 1409068723 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needing the z isn't but otherwise looks right < 1409068740 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1409068759 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y.@ < 1409068759 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :1381320277 < 1409068768 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright how to decrypt this again? < 1409068770 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409068853 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y:4'@*%,4'@*/:4'@*%,4'@*/:4'@*%,4'@*/:4'@*%,@ < 1409068853 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :UFUR < 1409068862 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reverse < 1409068871 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too lazy to do that programmatically < 1409068908 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "≤".@ < 1409068908 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :8804 < 1409068971 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y:4'@*%\4'@*/:4'@*%\4'@*/:4'@*%\4'@/:4'@*% ,,,, @ < 1409068973 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y:'Ā%,'Ā*/:'Ā*%,'Ā*/:'Ā*%,'Ā*/:'Ā*%,@ A bit shorter glyphwise < 1409068973 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1409068987 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1409069009 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '≤.@,,,"DAB". < 1409069010 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :8804 < 1409069038 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug < 1409069056 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 'ꙮ,@,,,"DAB". < 1409069056 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ < 1409069069 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiocular O's < 1409069071 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409069088 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :doot :D < 1409069088 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: doot CAN the ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ the for still I at? I running one who going! < 1409069741 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409069757 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409069788 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!prolog X = 3. < 1409069892 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409069929 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409070637 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409070650 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409070814 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409070868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jell-E 5* 10New user account < 1409070925 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 01->1# +# :# 0# g# ,# :# 5# 8# *# 4# +# -# _@ < 1409070925 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 01->1# +# :# 0# g# ,# :# 5# 8# *# 4# +# -# _@ < 1409070971 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Huh?14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40353 5* 03Jell-E 5* (+207) 10Created page with "I have figured out how this language works by decompiling huh.exe. Should I put the source here or does that ruin the mystery? --~~~~" < 1409071008 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that would ruin the mystery :P < 1409071097 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409071114 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409071140 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source was inside the executable? < 1409071178 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric unglogged | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | If something is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible. | 987659473857929758374956789 < 1409071257 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone recognizes that digit string, right? < 1409071388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409071423 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409071441 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409071455 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409071491 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409071558 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409071576 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409071940 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CaneCode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40354&oldid=38815 5* 0362.205.95.44 5* (-3) 10/* External resources */ Fixed broken link < 1409072034 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1409072194 0 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.4-dev < 1409072224 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was me. < 1409072448 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409072752 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409072927 0 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1409074090 0 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-73-33.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1409074233 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409074420 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART #esoteric : < 1409074507 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 v\n5\n.\n@ < 1409074507 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 5 < 1409074949 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 :0g,:c-!#@_1+ < 1409074950 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :0g,:c-!#@_1+ < 1409074954 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compactified it a bit. < 1409075383 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1409075428 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "CPII"4(D@ < 1409075429 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409075435 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay dormant IP :P < 1409075466 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 . < 1409075466 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409075478 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "SDRT"4#;("yay"2k,@,k3"emal"; < 1409075479 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: emal < 1409075488 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1409075519 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 " egnufeB">:#,_ < 1409075520 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Befunge Bef (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409075754 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409075767 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 :0g,:a`#@_1+ < 1409075767 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :0g,:a`#@_1+ < 1409075777 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One less.) < 1409075949 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "@Z5O"5c"@@w"fb' **+***+***0p < 1409075977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Huh?14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40355&oldid=40353 5* 03Jell-E 5* (+3696) 10 < 1409076016 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "rZ5O"5c"@@w"fb' **+***+***0p#@ #. < 1409076029 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ern < 1409076031 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1409076034 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to crash < 1409076045 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Success, of sorts < 1409076105 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually says '<=' isn't a valid operator on nil. < 1409076110 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is odd < 1409076293 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409076309 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409076439 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Deew, was that out of yor number-encoder thing? < 1409076445 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1409076452 0 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-20-87.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409076456 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '☢, < 1409076457 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢☢ < 1409076457 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... program.) < 1409076470 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode breaks stuff it seems < 1409076480 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by stuff I mean IRC output < 1409076518 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4("AMOR"4(M1N@ < 1409076518 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ... < 1409076518 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ... < 1409076518 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ... < 1409076518 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409076523 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1409076564 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably not show that trick to the tppleague channel. They'll probably spam it. < 1409076653 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 8'}*k08'}*k,@ < 1409076654 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ... < 1409076654 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409076654 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409076654 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409076664 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409076683 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 0 is not '0 < 1409076707 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I think it should be calculating the visual size of the output, not the number of bytes/codepoints < 1409076734 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1409076752 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I forgot to make it cut off long non-space-separated strings < 1409076758 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1409076768 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409076811 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you fix the <= on nil stuff? < 1409076828 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, since I have no idea what causes it < 1409076844 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you have a testcase :-P < 1409076847 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409076850 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4("AMOR"4(M1N@ < 1409076852 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409076861 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4("AMOR"4(M:*1N@ < 1409076862 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409076868 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1409077257 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409077270 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ROMA? < 1409077293 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman numerals < 1409077305 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ESAB"4(05-1N@ < 1409077305 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: -00000 < 1409077317 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1409077324 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bicyclidine < 1409077360 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "enidilcyciB yeH">:#,_@ < 1409077361 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Hey Bicyclidine < 1409077365 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRC line length limit is in terms of bytes, so sometimes you have to consider both visual size and that. < 1409077401 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :enidilcyci-B sounds very medical. < 1409077406 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, TieSoul. < 1409077421 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds bio-chemical. < 1409077445 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm named after phencyclidine in the first place. < 1409077456 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange parents. < 1409077472 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi phen < 1409077598 0 :S1!~Sheldon@p57B9AC33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1409077643 0 :Tempo!3ecd5f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.44 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1409077730 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409077743 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409077907 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409077960 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409078024 0 :S1!~Sheldon@p57B9AC33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :":>" < 1409078093 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409078105 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409078957 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 t < 1409078976 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this will take a while < 1409079032 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409079038 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not a good idea < 1409079044 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409079083 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409079110 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1409079223 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409079502 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fixed now. < 1409079505 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409079510 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 t < 1409079511 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409079528 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; < 1409079528 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Infinite loop, thought I'd fall for that?) < 1409079552 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; Hello ; < 1409079552 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Infinite loop, thought I'd fall for that?) < 1409079570 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now its protection is complete < 1409079694 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has to move more than 50 spaces while in a comment or in spaces it gives the infinite loop message < 1409079712 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 5.@ < 1409079713 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 5 < 1409079717 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1409079719 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1409079739 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 < 1409079751 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1409079761 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem to even trigger the regex < 1409079768 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 " < 1409079769 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409079818 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 3y,@ < 1409079818 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: < 1409079827 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay it's a space < 1409079838 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :unknown characters output a space < 1409079850 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '€,@ < 1409079850 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: € < 1409079857 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1409079901 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 '☢,@ < 1409079901 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ☢ < 1409080015 0 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409080015 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2y.@ < 1409080016 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: -1 < 1409080026 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bignums) < 1409080179 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably not do this: < 1409080189 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 01-,@ < 1409080193 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gives an error < 1409080197 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409080233 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409080245 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@ < 1409080261 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409080273 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that < 1409080278 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409080279 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it wrong < 1409080321 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2cd1a'@*+**k:cd1a'@*+**k*.@ < 1409080325 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 249750523253596126986008191082508397745107284763545422942882318465786458116064337081871832833112412600791098611388963732504699915191404414072711783856187321879972240746841777331158760684327811981645006... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409080339 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409080346 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that? < 1409080355 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409080368 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^99998 < 1409080382 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409080451 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1409080456 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well was it correct? < 1409080457 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409080461 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409080487 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, looks like. I used 99996 and figured it'd be off by a bit due to how k works < 1409080513 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@ < 1409080638 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it didn't catch that < 1409080648 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@ < 1409080678 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or then your ulimits or whatever are working :-P < 1409080703 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then I should put a limit in k. < 1409080707 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1409080710 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409080728 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409080874 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409080881 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@ < 1409080897 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409080902 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the k limit is not working < 1409080908 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that Noam Chomsky is going to be a judge on X-factor? < 1409080921 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409080940 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409080942 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2"?!%"d***k:"?!%"d***k*.@ < 1409080944 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (TOO MUCH k.) < 1409081003 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2cd1a'@*+**k:cd1a'@*+**k*.@ < 1409081003 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (TOO MUCH k.) < 1409081035 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 5k.@ < 1409081035 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 < 1409081040 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409081057 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 aaa**2*k.@ < 1409081057 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409081064 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 aaa**2*1+k.@ < 1409081065 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... < 1409081065 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 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0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... < 1409081066 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... < 1409081067 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... < 1409081067 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... < 1409081068 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (TOO MUCH k.) < 1409081071 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohgod < 1409081076 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not good < 1409081095 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I get the feeling that the implementation of all these ad-hoc limits is in itself very ad-hoc < 1409081108 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409081127 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409081143 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah somehow I get the feeling I don't know what ad-hoc means < 1409081195 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1409081196 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. ad hoc -- (often improvised or impromptu; "an ad hoc committee meeting") < 1409081197 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1409081220 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes deew how did you know? < 1409081249 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 \$jy>:#,_1 < 1409081250 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul:
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ALLUSERSPROFILE=C:\ProgramDataAPPDATA=C:\Users\thijsel\AppData\RoamingCOMPUTERNAME=THIJS-PCComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exeCommonProgramFile... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409081252 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems like they weren't composing well < 1409081256 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :have some environment variables < 1409082110 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek. Chatzilla did not like that last DootBot messag.e < 1409082111 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I the 1 lotid it saying the them can of? DOOT YayBot in RIOT snogging get your.
ACTION ~ root at wanted! < 1409082206 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen gregor < 1409082207 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory \ not lately; try `seen gregor ever < 1409082224 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen gregor ever < 1409082225 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory \ not that I remember < 1409082243 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... < 1409082347 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logs, they are gone. < 1409082385 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Due to HackEgo moving to a different server.) < 1409082386 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-08-08T10:23:26Z Gregor (dlopen@libdl.so) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) < 1409082412 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs :P < 1409082414 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Log: http://sprunge.us/cWbV < 1409082476 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that one only goes two days back < 1409083119 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1409083258 0 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1409083595 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also !source < 1409083595 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12 < 1409083615 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :includes modified version of RubyFunge < 1409083754 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(8')f4'@*+**:R.@ < 1409083761 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 586876997669089452654708979872717640693786208435198134962134741380036139163380500787509566881909771662509654654910559288525538890772618823716520686427222855318484000702574189919040428742398741207850621... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409083813 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1409083814 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409083834 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4('8'!d'%***:R.@ < 1409083837 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some numbers < 1409083879 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's gonna take some time. < 1409083882 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409083886 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's just gonna not do anything < 1409083958 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@ < 1409083959 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 4 < 1409083960 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@ < 1409083961 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 6 < 1409083963 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay dice < 1409083964 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@ < 1409083965 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1 < 1409083965 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@ < 1409083965 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1 < 1409083965 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@ < 1409083966 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 2 < 1409083966 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+.@ < 1409083967 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 1 < 1409084015 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(aaaa***:R.@ < 1409084015 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409084032 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(aa*:*:*:*:R.@ < 1409084045 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel too large < 1409084049 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(aa*:*:*:R.@ < 1409084057 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(aa*:*:R.@ < 1409084057 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409084089 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why doesn't mycology have IMTH? :P (not serious) < 1409084127 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4(aE.@ < 1409084127 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 100000 < 1409084134 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too new < 1409084144 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4(aF.@ < 1409084144 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 3628800 < 1409084145 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came in RC/Funge-98 2 < 1409084154 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4(a6*F.@ < 1409084155 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 8320987112741390144276341183223364380754172606361245952449277696409600000000000000 < 1409084165 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look factorials < 1409084192 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4("AMOR"4(MF.@ < 1409084192 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 402387260077093773543702433923003985719374864210714632543799910429938512398629020592044208486969404800479988610197196058631666872994808558901323829669944590997424504087073759918823627727188732519779505... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409084209 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "HTMI"4("AMOR"4(M:*F.@ < 1409084238 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the algorithm it uses is actually O(n^2) < 1409084242 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this will take a while < 1409084333 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :either O(n^2) or O(n*log(n)), depending on what the big O is of the Array#inject method. < 1409084404 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no ulimit or anything? < 1409084412 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1409084418 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 0.@ < 1409084419 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 0 < 1409084423 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's still awake < 1409084426 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't freeze < 1409084431 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses separate threads < 1409084445 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how many CPUs are there < 1409084454 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 2 cores :P < 1409084486 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 2 cores :P < 1409084488 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1409084494 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow heat death < 1409084494 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :up arrow by accident < 1409084514 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the universe? < 1409084541 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just read that the universe soup would be luke-warm at best < 1409084551 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409084567 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :luke-warm and beige, iirc < 1409084568 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409084581 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 28'}**:k:kt1.@. < 1409084582 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409084589 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tch < 1409084629 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses separate ticks, not shared, to determine when to kill the process. < 1409084636 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is the 1d restriction of befunge turing complete? < 1409084653 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-93, quite likely not; -98, quite likely yes < 1409084662 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 v\n5\n.\n@ < 1409084662 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 5 < 1409084664 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much RAM on that box? < 1409084669 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 gigs < 1409084674 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1409084731 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(2" @@":*:***R.@ < 1409084740 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1409084741 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :too large < 1409084745 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby threw an error < 1409084754 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ruby doesn't have big enough bignums? < 1409084761 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1409084769 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your 2y should push the limit then :-P < 1409084784 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the limit and can't find it on the internet < 1409084797 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary search, shouldn't be too hard < 1409084905 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 {'@::*:**u0.@ < 1409085014 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 1-"HTMI"4('@::*:**N.@. < 1409085028 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit seems to be 2^31580670. < 1409085055 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a power of 2? < 1409085068 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^x is a power of 2 for any x by definition < 1409085083 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^pi < 1409085086 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1409085087 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1409085089 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1409085099 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 31580670 a power of 2 < 1409085102 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it nearly is < 1409085102 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what are you calculating? < 1409085108 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :31580670: 2 3 5 11 83 1153 < 1409085109 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit of ruby bignums < 1409085111 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: it's divisible by 5, so no < 1409085135 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :31580670 log 2 = 9506728.95317 < 1409085252 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409085268 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409085274 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2y.@ < 1409085274 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 31580670 < 1409085301 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the number of bytes, not bits < 1409085313 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1409085315 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1409085331 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409085386 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can translate brainfuck very easily into Unefunge -- e.g. with the tape extending to left and http://sprunge.us/FPZb -- which should be enough. < 1409085395 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409085399 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 2y.@ < 1409085399 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 3947583 < 1409085402 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy now? < 1409085426 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, the + and - are missing a \. Anyhow. < 1409085550 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the , be :~\p ? < 1409085684 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes. < 1409085690 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must not have been very awake. < 1409085699 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks. < 1409085725 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apropos nothing: GMP has a feature where it can leave some amount of bits at the top of each limb; these bits are called nails. < 1409085729 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... what language is that? < 1409085746 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it does that for some performance reasons on some systems < 1409085761 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is what? < 1409085786 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that punctuation stuff like :~\p ? < 1409085791 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and \. and stuff < 1409085809 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just Befunge. Or Unefunge in this case. < 1409085827 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1409086115 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] > (2^32 + 2^12) `div` 136 -- compare to 31580670; strange. < 1409086123 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2^32 + 2^12) `div` 136 < 1409086124 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 31580672 < 1409086178 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :136 = 8*17, and the 17 is a bit odd. (ok, it is odd, but that's not what I mean) < 1409086251 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 31580670 `mod` 8 < 1409086253 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1409086333 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409086349 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409086352 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409086353 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled. < 1409086360 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 " < 1409086365 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409086365 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled. < 1409086369 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 " < 1409086369 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409086374 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1409086393 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409086408 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409086413 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409086420 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1409086435 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL I can buy Baklava over the internet! I never need to leave the house again... < 1409086437 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!doot < 1409086437 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Commands I want the gone put! doot thats FOR yeah, mega? supised 0"Y+A+Y">:#,_@ liria time than can fault nutshell make! < 1409086462 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-ha. < 1409086472 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!source < 1409086473 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Source: https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/06fe15a20084430a8d12 < 1409086492 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: does it know about lambdabot now? < 1409086518 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1409086529 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1409086605 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409086702 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "toggling" mean in this context? < 1409086749 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :toggle whether or not the bot responds to (and executes) funge commands < 1409086874 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409086891 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409086951 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409086997 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409087000 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1409087013 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409087013 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled. < 1409087018 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409087018 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled. < 1409087059 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409087109 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409087116 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409087117 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled on. < 1409087121 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409087122 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled off. < 1409087125 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409087125 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled on. < 1409087128 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 " < 1409087134 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!togglefunge < 1409087134 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 successfully toggled off. < 1409087136 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 < 1409087140 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 " < 1409087140 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: ... (Too much output or non-terminating program.) < 1409087142 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1409087168 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409087184 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409087275 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/bignum.c#L6282 < 1409087338 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in bits or bytes? < 1409087375 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it seems to output a warning that the result *might* be too big, then continues < 1409087385 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do some unexplained float math? < 1409087494 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "fine" ... it produces Inf later on. ;-) < 1409087790 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge is toggled off guys, just so you don't try to DoS me with it < 1409087792 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gtg < 1409087793 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1409087799 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still don't get how 33554432 becomes 32537661, about 32/33 * 2^25... < 1409087837 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: why don't you just set some ulimit? surely ruby can do that in a sane way... < 1409088139 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409088145 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1409088148 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme try something < 1409088157 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409088160 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 < 1409088162 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 " < 1409088167 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Execution timed out. < 1409088174 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work < 1409088188 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "egnufeB">:#,_@ < 1409088189 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Befunge < 1409088197 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; < 1409088201 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: Execution timed out. < 1409088209 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1409088212 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works fine < 1409088220 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set a timeout time of 4 seconds < 1409088288 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409088305 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409088307 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 . < 1409088324 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409088338 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409088340 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 . < 1409088345 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Execution timed out.) < 1409088364 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 f. < 1409088368 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 (Execution timed out.) < 1409088378 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay works < 1409088490 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at this < 1409088494 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; < 1409088495 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; < 1409088496 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; < 1409088497 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; < 1409088497 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; < 1409088497 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 ; < 1409088499 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Execution timed out.) < 1409088499 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) < 1409088500 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) < 1409088501 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) < 1409088501 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) < 1409088502 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) (Execution timed out.) < 1409088510 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409088521 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1409088561 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+. < 1409088586 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1409088587 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1409088602 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops < 1409088610 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "PXIF"4(6D1+. < 1409088615 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: 3 3 3 5 5 6 5 4 6 1 6 5 5 1 1 3 3 5 4 1 6 1 5 4 4 5 5 4 5 3 2 4 5 3 3 6 6 6 2 1 3 2 4 2 2 4 1 3 3 1 1 6 1 4 3 6 3 4 2 3 5 6 4 3 3 1 1 3 6 3 4 1 1 1 2 2 6 5 6 5 6 1 6 6 6 4 1 5 1 4 5 2 3 3 2 1 3 4 4 4 5 (Execution timed out.) < 1409088624 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay dice rolls < 1409088677 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1409088681 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 1+?6$~40 < 1409088681 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 2 6 5 3 6 4 5 4 3 4 2 1 2 4 3 1 3 1 5 4 3 2 1 6 3 6 2 6 5 5 4 6 5 2 2 5 4 5 4 < 1409088687 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroe dice rolls < 1409088690 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 1+?6$~40 < 1409088691 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 1 6 4 6 6 1 5 2 3 4 5 1 6 6 4 6 3 2 1 2 4 4 3 2 6 4 3 2 2 5 3 1 3 5 4 1 1 5 1 < 1409088838 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 1+?6$~9e3 < 1409088838 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 3 3 5 3 3 2 2 4 5 6 3 5 2 5 4 2 2 2 4 2 2 2 4 3 6 3 4 5 6 2 4 2 5 4 4 5 1 4 4 4 6 2 5 6 1 3 1 6 4 3 1 4 3 6 1 3 4 6 4 2 2 1 2 4 2 6 1 2 4 2 4 4 1 1 1 3 2 6 4 1 1 4 5 4 4 2 3 4 5 4 2 4 4 2 6 5 5 1 6 1 6 4 6 5 5 4 5 5 5 4 6 2 3 4 4 1 6 2 3 5 1 6 4 5 4 4 2 6 2 3 2 1 4 2 2 1 6 5 4 2 6 1 4 3 6 2 1 5 4 2 6 5 3 1 2 3 3 4 3 5 4 2 4 4 4 4 3 2 3 6 5 5 4 2 5 6 4 3 1 6 2 5 1 1 3 6 4 6 2 2 3 6 ... < 1409088922 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] '(Execution timed out.)',~":1+?6$~123 < 1409088923 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 4 3 1 4 3 4 6 6 5 6 4 6 3 1 3 3 1 6 6 4 1 6 4 6 4 1 1 2 5 1 3 5 6 5 1 2 2 1 2 5 4 4 4 6 6 3 2 1 1 3 4 6 5 2 3 1 3 3 2 3 3 5 2 1 1 6 3 6 3 4 6 3 3 1 1 1 1 3 5 6 4 1 6 6 3 5 3 1 6 1 6 3 5 5 5 1 2 4 5 3 2 4 2 6 2 2 5 4 4 1 1 2 2 5 2 6 6 1 3 3 1 1 6(Execution timed out.) < 1409088933 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] ' (Execution timed out.)',~":1+?6$~123 < 1409088933 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 2 5 3 6 3 4 5 4 6 4 1 6 2 4 3 3 1 5 3 4 5 3 4 2 6 6 1 6 5 2 1 1 6 2 4 6 4 4 4 1 2 5 3 1 6 4 3 5 4 2 2 6 1 5 4 2 6 2 3 3 5 3 3 3 3 3 4 6 3 1 5 5 5 2 6 4 2 6 5 4 3 4 3 3 6 2 5 2 3 3 6 6 6 2 4 1 4 2 1 6 3 4 5 5 5 5 3 4 3 2 6 6 4 1 1 1 3 2 5 6 4 1 (Execution timed out.) < 1409089077 0 :evalj!~jeval@4E5C54EA.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409089260 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice mimick < 1409089443 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, lovely. "if (z != 1) v = rb_big_mul(rb_int2big(neg ? -z : z), v);" <-- if z were ever equal to 1, the code would be incorrect (namely, if neg is set as well) ... however, z never equals 1 at this point. So what's the 'if' doing there ... < 1409089885 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, when calculating 2^n, ruby first starts calculating with 'longs', until they overflow, then switches to bignums. so it ends up calculating (2^16)^(n `div` 16) or (2^32)^(n `div` 32), and then it estimates the number of bits in the result by multiplying the number of bits for 2^16 (2^32) by the exponent: 17*(n `div` 16) and 33*(n `div` 32), respectively. It punts if there are more than 32 * 1024 * 1024 bits by that... < 1409089892 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...estimate. < 1409089908 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's there to plant seeds of doubt, you get there knowing z can't be 1, but leave merely thinking it shouldn't be < 1409089987 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect the number of bits in 2^n to be a bit easier to estimate < 1409089994 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1409090022 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1409090024 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, it plants seeds of doubts; without the 'if', the code is more obviously correct than with the 'if'. < 1409090102 0 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1409090181 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 4;>;#+?$#;2;>;#+?$#;1;>;#+?$#;1+:6`!;>;#._$#; < 1409090186 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 6 1 6 6 5 2 5 1 4 2 3 4 5 4 4 1 2 6 2 6 4 4 5 6 3 2 6 3 1 5 2 4 1 1 4 2 5 4 5 5 3 6 1 6 1 1 4 1 1 6 5 6 1 1 6 2 3 4 1 3 2 4 1 2 3 4 6 4 3 1 3 3 2 3 3 2 4 1 4 6 5 6 2 5 3 2 5 6 4 1 4 2 6 3 5 4 3 5 5 1 5 (Execution timed out.) < 1409090193 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more dice rolls. < 1409090252 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the semicolon indicate a linebreak or is that just a straight line of code < 1409090259 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one line. < 1409090277 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The semicolon is the cheating-person's "jump to next semicolon" instruction, however. < 1409090288 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spoiler: uniform distribution for [1,8] based on three binary decisions, then rejection sampling to get [1,6].) < 1409090517 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A block like ;>;#X?Y#; does either X or Y with even odds.) < 1409090739 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1409091292 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1409091400 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((32*1024*1024) `div` 17 .|. 1) * 16 + (16-1)`div`2*2 - 1 < 1409091401 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 31580669 < 1409091422 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((32*1024*1024) `div` 33 .|. 1) * 32 + (32-1)`div`2*2 - 1 < 1409091423 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32537661 < 1409091461 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the maximum exponents for 2**n that work with ruby for 32 and 64 bit platforms, respectively. < 1409091485 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what awful code. < 1409091517 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and that's ignoring the integer overflows in the code) < 1409091597 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bignums? < 1409091614 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for (2**32)**558992244657865203 it "happily" starts crunching numbers. < 1409091656 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and running out of memory (that's for 64 bit ruby, but a similar idea works for the 32bit one) < 1409091685 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid! < 1409091770 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in the estimation of the number of bits in the result, here: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/bignum.c#L6284-L6289 < 1409091809 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(size_t)-1 < 1409091812 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not legal, is it < 1409091820 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1409091823 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question. < 1409091856 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1409091874 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :size_t is an unsigned type, and conversion from signed to unsigned is well-defined, and defined in terms of the mathematical value. < 1409091886 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though SIZE_MAX would be more obvious. < 1409091895 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was just gonna ask. < 1409091915 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's not ~(size_t)0. < 1409091939 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A number of C programmers won't even know what the ~ operator does.) < 1409091944 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise not? < 1409091945 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's legal < 1409091956 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you know ruby's GC depends heavily on C undefined behaviour and miscompiles when compilers use certain common optimisations? < 1409091965 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this causes actual bugs? < 1409091980 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversion to unsigned integers is defined as taking the value modulo 1+ the unsigned integer's maximum value. < 1409092003 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm not surprised < 1409092009 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, when i think of GC with undefined behavior, i think of that gc code that pulls register values out of a jmp_buf < 1409092038 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://timetobleed.com/the-broken-promises-of-mrireeyarv/ < 1409092061 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer: horrifying < 1409092231 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: though some of the undefined behaviour that gcc took advantage of for a while heavily bit the linux kernel folks, who generally know what they're doing. (I guess C is too high-level for kernel code.) < 1409092255 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly. < 1409092275 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna be using a PIC C compiler in class this term, i'm excited to learn how standard conformant it is < 1409092286 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: so I can sympathize with people relying on some undefined behaviour. For example, it's a useful assumption that pointer comparison gives a total order, but C will not give you that guarantee. < 1409092371 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm sure there are architectures that have separate memory based on data types, so that equally represented pointers point to different things) < 1409092419 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, C is sort of in a bad position. < 1409092421 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just separate code and data with the same effect. < 1409092432 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not actually sure what the language compiled by gcc/clang these days is useful for. < 1409092439 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's weird < 1409092442 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when you run into UB, that is) < 1409092460 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can write high-performance crunching code that doesn't do anything too platform-specific and it's good for that. < 1409092467 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm really not sure what the target market is, exactly. < 1409092474 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i'm not much of a hardware hacker but as far as i can tell everybody in python/whatever reasonably thinks that C doesn't work for their application, and everyone doing shit with memory has to fight C at every turn < 1409092499 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is that separate pointers thing allowed in C? you can go via intptr_t and stuff < 1409092534 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: hmm, not for dynamically allocated stuff, I guess. But for static arrays, I see no reason why not. < 1409092543 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: C is none of the safety with none of the power :) < 1409092549 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1409092571 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: since comparisons between pointers that point to different memory blocks (separately allocated, not sure what the precise term is in the C standard) are undefined. < 1409092583 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aforementioned class's professor only mentioned C and C++ as programming languages, to the predominantly EE audience < 1409092593 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: even if you cast to intptr_t first? < 1409092595 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an integer type < 1409092611 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x[100]; char y[100]; int main() { return ((intptr_t) x) == ((intptr_t) y); } < 1409092632 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess it could be allowed, but... < 1409092647 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what about (char *) (intptr_t) x? < 1409092651 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be y < 1409092652 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to check whether there's any guarantee about accessing (char*) ... < 1409092661 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're allowed to read an (int *) as a (char *). < 1409092669 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether you're allowed to cast through intptr_t like that. < 1409092673 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(char *) (void *) x, maybe. < 1409092697 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((char *) x) might demonstrate the point, but you could just say that gives you a different pointer to y, maybe.) < 1409092701 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: and of course there's no guarantee that those casts don't change the representation of the pointer. < 1409092712 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1409092726 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1409092726 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good to have access to the raw metal. < 1409092740 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right... maybe ((void *) x) and ((void *) y) could have tag bits, and ints and chars only get a small amount of the address space < 1409092764 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :char * and void * are guaranteed to have the same representation. < 1409092830 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: more reasonably, pointer comparison might be implemented by just comparing the lower word of a two-word representation, and it may be conformant. (think DOS "large" model with segment/offset representation) < 1409092852 0 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: bleh < 1409092863 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1409092864 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bleh/C/ < 1409092866 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for comparing two pointers converted to intptr_t, I'm sure that's *legal* in the sense that you can compare two integers, but you can directly compare two pointers *for equality* anyway. < 1409092885 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swapping (something) mod N #= 0 for something #= N*_ made my code 3 times faster :D < 1409092902 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#=, huh < 1409092909 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but is there a guarantee that p == q implies (intptr_t)p == (intptr_t)q? < 1409092921 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but why would you do that instead of p == q? < 1409092961 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie we're deep in lawyering now, you can't ask "why would you" questions < 1409092966 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to get an actual pointer comparison, maybe, if that's possible? < 1409092968 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just gauche < 1409093008 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the original question was just about comparing pointers to different objects, and for == and != that's fine. < 1409093016 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably (intptr_t)p == (intptr_t)q implies that p and q point to the same thing in memory, provided that they have the same type (but not vice versa) < 1409093056 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conversion to intptr_t is only defined from a pointer to void. < 1409093070 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine < 1409093099 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :T *p; p == (T *)(void *)p is ensured, you can cast to (void *) and back. < 1409093123 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then p == (T *)(void *)(intptr_t)(void *)p follows. < 1409093187 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Two pointers compare equal if and only if both are null pointers, both are pointers to the same object -- or function, both are pointers to one past the last element of the same array object, or one is a pointer to one past the end of one array object and the other is a pointer to the start of a different array object that happens to immediately follow the first array object in the address ... < 1409093193 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... space." < 1409093208 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think (intptr_t)(void *)p == (intptr_t)(void *)q is any different from (void *)p == (void *)q. < 1409093219 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i didn't know there was even an address apce concept exactly < 1409093222 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except if the optional intptr_t type does not exist. < 1409093258 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should figure out how much of this rust avoids < 1409093343 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trimmed-out part was "same object (including a pointer to an object and a subobject at its beginning)". < 1409093512 0 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-73-33.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409093514 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Interesting. The "only if" is new w.r.t. C99. < 1409093619 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- quit: boily (Quit: MAKALÖSE CHICKEN) <-- i seem to be having an effect on boily < 1409093801 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1409093836 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-old < 1409093837 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett said 8h 14m 26s ago: Well, when you select from a continuous distribution, the probability of getting any particular number is 0, so you could say that the sum of uncountably many 0s can be 1. < 1409093855 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. < 1409093876 0 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.47.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a friend of mine wrote about exactly that in a blogpost today. weird < 1409093904 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the "void * and char * have the same representation -- [which is] meant to imply interchangeability as arguments to functions, return values from functions, and members of unions" rules mean that for T *p, p == (T *)(char *)(void *)p is also guaranteed, and that the conversion to void * is required to yield an identical representation than a conversion to char * for the same ... < 1409093910 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... object. < 1409093922 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :p == (T *)(char *)(T *)(void *)p is obviously true. < 1409093997 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett Rather, we say that measures are not uncountably additive. < 1409093998 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1409094030 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409094041 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1409094067 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay < 1409094194 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I would go out on a limb and call 6.5.9.6 (Two pointers compare equal etc.) wrong; for comparison, look at all the cases that 6.5.8.5 (When two pointers are compared, etc.) leaves undefined... < 1409094223 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's for an entirely different set of comparison operators. < 1409094249 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding the "only if" was just a quick way to fend off the idea of implementing pointer equality as always giving true. < 1409094249 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't require relational operators and equality operators to have the same rules. < 1409094464 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ok, let me argue differently: How is a compiler supposed to implement that definition? As stated, the comparison operator has to figure out whether a pointer points to some object or not; p == p is only true if p actually points to something (or is a null pointer). < 1409094659 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409094671 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⋔ < 1409094672 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+22D4 PITCHFORK] < 1409094683 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⫚ < 1409094684 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2ADA PITCHFORK WITH TEE TOP] < 1409094755 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "qirta olleH">:#,_@ < 1409094756 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: Hello atriq < 1409094779 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois Ngevd < 1409094780 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whois: not found < 1409094785 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1409094785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​&}F­ðqu¾ÃÔÔr—‹ŽÙJo,U„¼ø©áwS9i׀ù\ŽB |©Ai6"Ãò ø¼øîÕÞéÛ~wñ|:Öÿpoµqì=@gŽ5†sr©©ÃwCõTÞk$ȼLÑgÚ\¾&Œ§†]ykL1l흖¥ú{OF±^ì[B)Ô÷àøíl[#ÒØ8lÜ¡}"ß7Ÿ™²ÁÖàŸ'wO~]tÖEvìÎÖeA×碷e:Cšv¥!¼¹‰¹ËêôyFÙ×Ðm!KUÔ¯§òßO˜Ë‘L²Újg£ˆî4èˆ ÖÏ×»KgxÙû¡ÖˆæÀ€õ‹U™WòœBŠ)¶óéñ0ò•†¡¡ûl~zœÈìá£~n!RÒÞ)n+àFÊlGÒG0ZÊ/ð`Ž).x0öl!h§-ñ’ˆÏJŒíâµÎð°£%9@Ô~ñ¨¬É›¹s¸I¥?aJ• < 1409094787 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!log < 1409094789 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: Log: http://sprunge.us/YVIT < 1409094795 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1409094879 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409095272 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1409095325 0 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409095331 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409095365 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409095413 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409095429 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409095433 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409095438 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "ILPC"4 (7943DO@ < 1409095438 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul-mobile: 2+0i < 1409095496 0 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay complex numbers < 1409095528 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1409095537 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1409095557 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1409095651 0 :Taneb-!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1409095689 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle- < 1409095692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409095693 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1409095711 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409095753 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well. There seems to be no way of a strictly conforming program to construct a pointer value that wouldn't be null or point to an object without risking undefined behavior, so you could vaguely argue that p == p need not make that determination. (If it was a pointer to an object that has reached the end of its lifetime, its value has now become indeterminate, and p == p is undefined; if ... < 1409095759 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it was constructed by manipulating the bits of the representation, there's no way to be sure it is not a trap representation.) < 1409095762 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But I do agree the "only if" is a bit dubious. Still, I think they at least wanted to imply that "p == q" should never be true if p and q point to different objects. < 1409096003 0 :mauris_!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096011 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my bouncer, which for one reason or another I am not using, is playing up < 1409096019 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1409096035 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89 draft has: "If two pointers to object or incomplete types compare equal, they point to the same object. If two pointers to functions compare equal, they point to the same function. If two pointers point to the same object or function, they compare equal." < 1409096039 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a relatively silly footnote "40. If invalid prior pointer operations, such as accesses outside array bounds, produced undefined behavior, the effect of subsequent comparisons is undefined." < 1409096090 0 :polytone_!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096191 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409096199 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096205 0 :J_Arcane_!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096208 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409096209 0 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096218 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409096219 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409096219 0 :DootBot_!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096243 0 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1409096249 0 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096276 0 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409096276 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@001ff33d5bb8.click-network.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409096276 0 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409096276 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409096277 0 :Gracenotes_!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096286 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1409096289 0 :J_Arcane_!?@? NICK :J_Arcane < 1409096290 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096321 0 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zeadfhvhwvzcpqpa QUIT :Ping timeout: 261 seconds < 1409096331 0 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096364 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096455 0 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: outrageous. < 1409096455 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I agree that they probably intended that. I've found another obstacle to the typed memory idea (without tagging the pointers somehow): memcpy works on memory representations of objects (6.2.6.1.4). so I guess that leaves the (not too unusual) code/data separation. < 1409096466 0 :mauris!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096475 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096477 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096504 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096504 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pity ;-) < 1409096507 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : though that one only goes two days back <-- i think he meant searchable logs. the tunes logs are still doing fine otherwise. < 1409096541 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably the codu logs will be fine if gregor ever returns < 1409096557 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409096557 0 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409096557 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409096557 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1409096564 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not searchable. < 1409096594 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, I think you need to tag char *s and void *s; but I think you can get some leverage out of the different memory spaces, so that an int *p and double *q can have identical memory representations while pointing at different objects. (You might need to stick unions into some lowest-common-denominator memory space, and make the tagged-char-pointer comparison operation slightly hairy.) < 1409096629 0 :DootBot_!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1409096648 0 :mauris_!~mauris@220.113-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 282 seconds < 1409096654 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because for union { int i; double d; } u you must have (char *)&u.i == (char *)&u.d. < 1409096666 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096726 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All the oodles of code freely dlsym'ing out functions through void * straws might object to the code/data separation too.) < 1409096762 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX did guarantee conversion of function pointers to void * and back, IIRC. < 1409096781 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1409096799 0 :atriq!5c12dc6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.18.220.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is weird < 1409096805 0 :polytone_!?@? NICK :monotone < 1409096839 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1409096846 0 :DootBot!~cinch@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096881 0 :Daan!~Daanando@188.189.80.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096890 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1409096966 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Embedded C" standard adds the concept of named address spaces, though it's orthogonal to the type specifiers; they're just additional type qualifiers. < 1409096996 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote TIL I can buy Baklava over the internet! I never need to leave the house again... < 1409096997 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1216) TIL I can buy Baklava over the internet! I never need to leave the house again... < 1409097025 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those address spaces can nest, and a pointer to a type qualified with one can point to objects in that or in all the subset address spaces.