< 1408147227 118210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also somewhat terrifying < 1408147259 141704 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever so slightly < 1408147260 653956 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yep :D sevilla, jerez, cádiz, gibraltar, marbella. < 1408147340 611442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: cool, fun? < 1408147476 189411 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was! lots of sun, old architecture, tapas... < 1408147789 109847 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408147800 875539 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408147862 209204 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to achieve sleep. 'night all! < 1408147872 49724 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, where is Taneb?) < 1408147880 628003 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: COMBINATORIAL CHICKEN < 1408148255 328849 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408149143 925766 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408149156 92499 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1408149238 439792 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408149590 587137 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408150402 876680 :scoofy!~blah@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1408150829 795488 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408151534 716730 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> length $ takeWhile (!= s) $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!" < 1408151536 241663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘!=’ < 1408151536 378627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1408151536 378758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘!’ (imported from Data.Array), ‘M.!’ (imported from Data.Map), < 1408151536 378882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘IM.!’ (imported from Data.IntMap)Not in scope: ‘scramble’ < 1408151593 733969 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> length $ takeWhile (/= s) $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!" < 1408151595 123846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘scramble’ < 1408151631 593774 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let scramble = concat . (_last %~ reverse) . transpose . chunksOf 2 < 1408151633 108125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1408151645 5109 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> length $ takeWhile (/= s) $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!" < 1408151646 562888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1408151660 508292 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13:27 > (\s -> length $ takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!" < 1408151806 530089 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> length $ takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "CHICKEN!" < 1408151808 279155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1408151932 930250 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "potato" < 1408151934 363947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1408151941 660813 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "arbitrary phrase" < 1408151943 254581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1408151959 392828 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "abc" < 1408151961 69211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1408151965 33861 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) "bcd" < 1408151966 594954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1408152001 348215 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) $ take 8 [1..] < 1408152004 115504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1408152025 715887 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :length "CHICKEN!" < 1408152031 497957 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "CHICKEN!" < 1408152033 51023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1408152097 622013 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) (take <$> length <*> id $ "CHICKEN!") < 1408152099 105872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1408152110 867886 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) (take <$> length <*> const [1..] $ "CHICKEN!") < 1408152112 673796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1408152149 7551 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((\s -> (+ 1) . length . takeWhile (/= s) $ tail $ iterate scramble s) . flip take [1..]) <$> [1..] < 1408152152 294360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,3,5,6,4,4,9,6,11,10,9,14,5,5,12,18,12,10,7,12,23,21,8,26,20,9,29,30... < 1408152202 213167 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. We got that earlier. :( < 1408153798 947144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to complain about Haskell on Reddit. < 1408153810 490706 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by Haskell, I mean one common example of a GHC language extension) < 1408155818 132517 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which extension? < 1408155970 947498 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeriveGenerics < 1408155983 191429 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess the Generics mechanism is closer to the actual issue < 1408155988 770916 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess that's not an extension? < 1408156003 69509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2douzn/problem_with_popular_ghcgenerics_example/ < 1408156399 632674 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5cff.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408156864 78017 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1408157049 281256 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157050 170519 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157050 814452 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157051 242307 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157051 379107 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157051 874865 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157052 12113 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157052 673944 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157054 295282 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157054 556507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157054 693477 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157055 36570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1408157144 924500 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Excess Flood < 1408158800 727972 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158800 865979 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158800 866085 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158800 866159 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158800 866228 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158800 866297 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158800 866379 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~KingOfKar@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158800 866447 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.142.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158800 866515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158804 900325 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :21WAAZFQ3 < 1408158805 40681 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1408158815 928447 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158816 65586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158816 65693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158816 65764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1408158837 959759 :21WAAZFQ3!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^4 < 1408160459 94466 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1408160521 646092 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1408164487 180551 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408164522 916318 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1408164892 627259 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5cff.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1408165843 884156 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvwzdbqgzihkdten QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1408167896 123348 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-134-53.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1408168664 807270 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1408168894 738961 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1408170968 222201 :^4!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1408172087 790803 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1408172779 267827 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1408172851 361463 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1408174635 46374 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1408178927 692607 :J_Arcane!~jarcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! 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< 1408184278 811233 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1408184635 109383 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1408185880 367440 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408186314 321750 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1408186708 232847 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408186898 221418 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-27-44.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1408187048 822626 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1408187383 735193 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408187937 984034 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1408188437 802295 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1408188520 730987 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408189128 992602 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408190269 661850 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1408190470 709393 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1408191066 436293 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1408191382 926311 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1408191773 637457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408192325 862949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408193258 622440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408193700 877423 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SECONDARY CHICKEN < 1408195241 200238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1408195259 89385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my windows partition now boots into system restore, which faffs around for a while and then says nothing can be done < 1408195488 372476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1408195617 494652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an analogy of my life < 1408195617 942696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpfully it also provides no meaningful diagnostic information < 1408195669 786963 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent this morning trying to fix broken graphics drivers in Debian only to discover that there's no fglrx-driver for jessie. < 1408195688 239887 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid kernel updates. < 1408196082 725304 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need fglrx for? < 1408197424 592093 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :opengl on my card is broken since the last kernel update. hell I don't even get proper framebuffer mode in the console. X still works, but Steam complains even starting and none of my games work because OpenGL is broken. < 1408197567 327658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to intel hell < 1408197568 620448 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1408197623 261205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i had a laptop with an intel chip there was some random driver update which made it crash if i ever used anything that tried to use shaders < 1408197630 658201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they worked fine before that, even! < 1408197883 859141 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1408198748 574033 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's a Radeon, actually, but that is still sort of the problem. < 1408198768 747159 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD cut support for anything prior to the 5xxx series, and I have a 4890. < 1408198769 836711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to anything-but-nvidia hell < 1408198801 230044 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I was an ATI loyalist for nearly a decade, but AMD has more or less murdered that with this card. < 1408198988 546869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I switch from X to a non-X virtual console, my machine beeps and irrevocably futzes up the display. Welcome to nvidia hell. < 1408198991 533792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly they say it doesn't play nice with framebuffer devices, but I haven't managed to disable the UEFI one in any way. < 1408199811 739442 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Radeon HD 4650, and it’s been running fine with the radeon driver ever since AMD stopped updating fglrx for it. < 1408199977 194650 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except a few days ago, when trying to get a game running in wine got the card to lock up, panicking the kernel. But between the support cut and a few days ago, I had no discernably graphics card related problems. < 1408199978 346980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ) < 1408200007 286126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: how long ago was the support cut? :p < 1408200376 184044 :J_Arcane!~JArcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: IF was on debian stable, it would've been fine, but there was a kernel update to testing, two actually in as many days, and ATI support broke with it. So unless someone patches it ... < 1408200477 550091 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-215-107.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I’m having a hard time finding it, but a few years certainly. < 1408200496 595175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: it would be funnier if the support cut, e.g. two months ago. < 1408200503 605708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it worked for weeks" < 1408200510 376786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was how I originally read it and I'm not sure why. < 1408200669 779014 :naor!~nbz@41.87.10.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408200856 753563 :naor!~nbz@41.87.10.22 PART :#esoteric < 1408202181 428404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1408204104 202310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1408204280 795619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408204375 581979 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:Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408223571 966274 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1408224358 522640 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45FF2.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1408224421 358949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408224544 41796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1408224547 544041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1408224575 716820 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1408224591 806589 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1408224884 525917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 23514624000 :: Int32 < 1408224886 293787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2039787520 < 1408225062 900343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t digitToInt < 1408225064 256902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char -> Int < 1408225077 453094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 23514624000 :: Int64 < 1408225079 259627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 23514624000 < 1408225114 369141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2091059712 :: Int32 < 1408225116 190746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2091059712 < 1408225226 641354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc13-sgyl31-2-0-cust486.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408225237 419762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc13-sgyl31-2-0-cust486.18-2.cable.virginm.net NICK :Guest31250 < 1408225275 923743 :Guest31250!~phantomho@cpc13-sgyl31-2-0-cust486.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1408225292 90156 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@cpc13-sgyl31-2-0-cust486.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408225293 280418 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@cpc13-sgyl31-2-0-cust486.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1408225363 874141 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1408225493 49226 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@cpc13-sgyl31-2-0-cust486.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1408225505 53657 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@cpc13-sgyl31-2-0-cust486.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1408225525 903384 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408225541 324052 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck me, virgin media have managed to ban all the torrentz proxies i can find < 1408225551 868638 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1408225564 440743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en#downloads < 1408225595 259276 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor seems p. heavy-duty... < 1408225616 616367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you click it, you open it, it's firefox, you use torrentz, job done? < 1408225644 568409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no reason to go around looking for website-specific proxies when tor does it better and just as easily < 1408225671 984645 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's changed a lot from when i last used it < 1408225692 68563 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1408225911 580984 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use bittorrent through tor? < 1408225915 607530 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how tor works, i think < 1408225926 256645 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, but you shouldn't. < 1408225932 336643 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408225932 908818 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-74-195.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1408225955 227941 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tor lets you essentially tunnel TCP streams through it. < 1408225977 396044 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using BitTorrent on it is just rude, because it really strains the network. < 1408225991 29135 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not planning on that obv. < 1408226014 676329 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. For that sort of thing you should just get some sort of VPN provider. < 1408226041 487382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's not just rude < 1408226043 245747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not anonymous < 1408226052 659625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea < 1408226068 545650 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, haah. < 1408226080 757061 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes perfect sense that it's doing that, but yeah. < 1408226090 692253 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's rude *and* defeats the point. < 1408226092 622896 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun stuff. < 1408226138 983547 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *right*, tracker communication is usually UDP. < 1408226150 605078 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uTP is tunneled over UDP as well. < 1408226155 940846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's understandable that the tor browser bundle defaults to scripts being on these days but it still makes me :/ < 1408226175 364119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they've gone to some length to minimise the fingerprinting you can do with it < 1408226188 754410 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gotten a lot faster in the last few years, i see < 1408226240 508756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you should stick to https:// versions of sites (torrentz does it) on tor if at all possible, since exit relays can do whatever they want with your traffic < 1408226254 413485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not a big deal for torrenting though < 1408226267 504717 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combination of the network getting much faster and the Tor browser bundle doing some stuff to make HTTP work better over a high-latency link. < 1408226285 570201 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408226286 418198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but entering passwords unencrypted over Tor is sort of a bad idea. (admittedly, that applies to the internet at large, but Tor makes it easier to be the man in the middle) < 1408226302 898446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: huh, what special stuff does it do? that sounds interesting < 1408226341 595866 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short, uses Polipo as a proxy. Main notable thing that Polipo does is HTTP pipelining. < 1408226352 918520 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which believe it or not *browsers still don't do*. < 1408226373 120648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember hearing a good reason for that, but I forget what it was < 1408226389 663241 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misbehaving servers screw it up. < 1408226422 744511 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why Polipo actually keeps data on whether or not a given server behaves. :) < 1408226447 356160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to live in a world where the Tor network was low-latency and high-capacity enough to run all traffic over it, and it supported UDP < 1408226462 819087 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other reason for using Polipo is that Polipo can just tunnel over SOCKS, which makes using Tor for HTTP stuff *really easy*. < 1408226476 909109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tor is already a SOCKS proxy < 1408226485 4158 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but Polipo is an HTTP proxy. < 1408226502 577255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, um, I guess I don't know what you mean by the line I replied to < 1408226515 400707 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can talk SOCKS instead of dialing out via normal TCP. < 1408226545 533095 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. you can do browser -> polipo -> tor. < 1408226549 125573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see. < 1408226572 349162 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *that* helpful for Firefox, but there's a lot of stuff that doesn't speak SOCKS but does speak HTTP proxy. < 1408226604 669164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take back my previous statement. it'd be nice to live in the world where the global network was anonymous, encrypted and authenticated by design. < 1408226611 432672 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1408226663 845957 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of incredibly stupid and pointless lacks-of-security in networking... < 1408226676 61866 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*CA*cough* < 1408226699 648611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally IP addresses would just be randomly-generated public keys, I think. < 1408226733 932061 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If designing from the ground up? Probably. < 1408226754 658211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes. how else are you going to get a network that's anonymous, encrypted and authenticated by design? < 1408226765 802001 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1408226810 607042 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity security's hard. < 1408226889 489633 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, magnets are just hashes of their files, right? < 1408226899 697171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: plus a list of trackers, often < 1408226907 451231 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnet URIs for BitTorrent? Basically, yeah. < 1408226929 485826 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly more complicated than that, but it amounts to just a hash of the contents. < 1408226931 803652 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know collisions are very unlikely under normal circumstances, but could you not construct two files with the same hash and use that to nefarious ends? < 1408226940 633173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: my ecommendation for getting torrents you found on torrentz is to use https://torcache.net/torrent/.torrent < 1408226944 898914 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes you could. < 1408226950 587098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can construct two files with the same hash, you can break a lot more than bittorrent < 1408226964 472143 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the hash is, of course, really dang hard to break. < 1408226973 915548 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially because the BT info hash is a hash of hashes... < 1408226981 922166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I sometimes worry the security-is-impossible fearmongering makes us all give up on security. < 1408226992 292025 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well MD5 collisions are within the range of normal people now, aren't they? < 1408226994 20414 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Quite likely. < 1408227006 979093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, bittorrent still uses md5? < 1408227009 74414 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Mostly length extension attacks. < 1408227013 650765 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never did. < 1408227016 22530 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, but my point is < 1408227018 97673 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BT uses SHA-1. < 1408227028 146195 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hashes once thought secure have a tendency to not be < 1408227030 413147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well, the idea is to move off a hash before there are practical breaks of it < 1408227031 178547 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know random hash collisions are almost impossible, and that engineering a hash collision for a predetermined file is just as impossible, but not what the situation was with two files you both picked < 1408227039 98483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: protocols should plan ahead for changing the hash they use < 1408227054 233730 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perversely BitTorrent totally has not. < 1408227080 580102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: if we know x, y s.t. hash(x) = hash(y) no matter how we derived x and y then that hash function is well beyond dead and buried, basically < 1408227100 605848 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I sometimes use MD5 when I want a hash that doesn't have random collisions, and don't care about it being a cryptohash < 1408227105 338108 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1408227116 247527 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: For that I'd actually recommend using CRC32. < 1408227117 52713 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the most likely to be in language stdlibs < 1408227124 337003 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least then you don't pretend it has security. < 1408227145 684687 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's got like a 1 in 60000 chance of random collisions because of the birthday paradox < 1408227150 253862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: finding x, y s.t. H(x) = H(y) is finding a collision; finding x s.t. H(x) = h for some known h is a preimage attack; finding y =/= x s.t. H(y) = H(x) for known x is a second-preimage attack < 1408227177 865538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :collisions are easier than preimage attacks. preimage attacks are what you need to break passwords, say < 1408227181 416705 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Well. True. *shrug* < 1408227194 885336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but being able to do any of them in practice means we should have moved off that hash years ago < 1408227211 373181 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1408227241 434794 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the current belief is that if a hash turns out to be even one bit less secure that people thought it was, it's likely going to be broken at some point and you should move on < 1408227281 181523 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better paranoid than hacked. < 1408227282 65870 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why people are dubious about SHA-1, there are no practical or even impractical attacks generally known, but IIRC there is a way to brute-force it slightly faster than the theoretical maximum < 1408227293 476376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://valerieaurora.org/monkey.html has some nice tables that may be outdated by now < 1408227305 193750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is definitely outdated; only goes to 2009 < 1408227320 870726 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I agree with that practice, basically if your hash isn't as strong as you thought it was, it means you don't understand it properly < 1408227327 297326 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone else might understand it better than you < 1408227758 152450 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1408227769 976341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1408228721 810742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408228906 828558 :jj2baile_!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :jj2baile < 1408229297 208049 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1408230427 806727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1408231950 168708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Νύξ < 1408232971 245330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408233336 780087 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1408233380 312705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1408233432 674483 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1408233480 761345 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric