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Only statically-known variable name strings will work. 00:29:21 -!- imp9 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:29:52 [wiki] [[Talk:Lambda: the Gathering]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40228&oldid=40224 * Oerjan * (+50) unsigned 00:30:17 that's horrifying 00:31:04 Took me a day to get it working, too. 00:33:40 But it doesn’t actually break anything, all it does in the end is have the compiler fill in the actual variable in question. 00:34:40 -!- mhi^ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 00:47:43 -!- Gregor has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:51:24 -!- Gregor has joined. 00:51:49 -!- Gregor has changed nick to Guest17686. 00:55:39 -!- esowiki has joined. 00:55:43 -!- esowiki has joined. 00:55:44 -!- esowiki has joined. 00:55:47 -!- glogbot has joined. 01:20:29 (my _last_ answer was of course something trivial which just popped up and i couldn't resist because it would put me over 2000) <-- of _course_ this had to ironically end up as my most upvoted SO answer so far... 01:21:19 Which one? 01:22:40 the newtype Maybe a one 01:22:53 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:23:19 -!- augur has joined. 01:23:39 ugh, that one 01:24:13 is that the one you thought was so unclear i shouldn't have answered it? 01:24:48 i never said you shouldn't have answered it 01:25:07 good, good *puts swatter back down* 01:25:23 can you get a balloon to swat me with? 01:25:59 no. 01:27:33 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:41:59 -!- Gregor has joined. 01:42:54 there's a Gregor in the house. i believe he has a message. 02:33:23 blah, think soon i'll have to update my ubuntu LTS 02:34:04 i didn't know mormon were linux based 02:34:07 oops 02:34:22 puns are so bad when you misread a letter 02:34:30 also leave one out 02:34:55 latter tahg saints? 02:37:00 i didn't know minecraft had saints either 02:39:30 where did minecraft come from? 02:40:23 just google tahg hth 02:40:47 minecraft came from hell 02:43:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws70oI3yMBc 02:54:30 -!- augur has joined. 02:55:17 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:55:35 -!- augur has joined. 03:19:47 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 03:40:00 So, DotA vs League of Legends is reminding me a bit of NetHack vs some other roguelikes (Crawl and Brogue), in that the former supposedly tends to require more knowledge not immediately present in the UI for effective play 03:41:05 so you're saying in dota you can determine the nature of a ring by dropping it down a sink. 03:41:35 Bike: is that a primitive form of caller id 03:41:45 if that's a pun i'm not getting it 03:42:08 anyway, anyone here play dorfs? i am, swear to god, having trouble understanding how to navigate the help menu 03:42:15 "nature of a ring" [heh heh heh] 03:44:43 Bike: sounds Fun 03:59:36 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: Night). 04:15:14 Bike: I like reading about dorfs 04:20:49 -!- shikhin has joined. 05:03:58 -!- not^v has joined. 05:05:35 -!- not^v has quit (Client Quit). 05:11:31 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:26:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Might). 05:59:55 -!- skarn has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 06:11:12 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 06:45:17 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:47:32 -!- aloril has joined. 07:00:17 It's not possible to have a NUL-terminated UTF-32 string, is it? 07:00:44 Well, I guess codepoint 0 could terminate. Just NULL-terminated wouldn't work 07:24:16 You could terminate a big-endian UTF-32 string with a single byte, if you liked. 07:24:52 Not a 0, but e.g. ff, since the code points only go up to 0x0010ffff. 07:24:57 It'd be kind of hacky, though. 07:26:14 Sgeo: yes, codepoint 0 as terminator would be natural 07:26:30 but it's usually better to use an explicit length (or end pointer) 07:26:42 it comes with fewer bugs and usually easier code these days 07:27:08 Wha sort of data structures do word processors use? What about many years ago (e.g. what did Word 1.0 use)? 07:35:46 Ropes are not uncommon in editors, or so I've heard. 07:36:15 I have also gotten the vague impression that whatever's under the hood in LibreOffice is something quite paragraph-oriented. 07:53:34 fizzie: for a good time terminate it with a single byte and put that byte right at the end of a page 08:24:16 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:35:00 -!- shikhin has changed nick to sikhin. 08:36:02 -!- sikhin has changed nick to shikhin. 08:42:01 -!- mhi^ has joined. 08:42:22 -!- vifino has joined. 08:42:53 "Why do you have three bytes of padding at the start of your memory block?" "So that I could put the terminating byte right at the end of a page." 09:21:51 -!- vifino has quit (Quit: Ze Cat now leaves...). 09:52:23 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de). 10:00:04 -!- shikhout has joined. 10:02:04 -!- TieSoul has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:03:03 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:03:04 -!- TieSoul has joined. 10:19:52 hey 10:21:48 -!- TieSoul has quit (Excess Flood). 10:22:06 -!- TieSoul has joined. 10:23:59 -!- boily has joined. 10:25:28 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:32:58 "Ropes"? 10:33:48 ah 10:33:50 trees 10:33:51 alright 10:34:13 “"Ropes"?”? 10:42:17 mroman: the string type? 10:45:41 -!- ZuuTorvalds has changed nick to ZuuJobs. 11:01:02 yeah 11:01:06 the tree type 11:01:10 it's a tree 11:01:12 for strings 11:01:14 but it's still a tree 11:06:49 * impomatic_ is tempted to mine CthulhuCoins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294383.0 11:08:21 `coins 11:08:28 ​catcombcoin selfcoin peracoin alboxybeatnikcoin mcnecoin dislacoin negrcoin ctcoin musivecoin braincoin ztendidncoin perfectorcoin d1ffcoin poetercecoin beuvecoin inspooncoin befortlecoin kmancoin 1932coin ortecoin 11:08:37 ah, the command still exists! 11:09:26 -!- boily has quit (Quit: CYCLOPEAN CHICKEN). 11:15:03 -!- ion has joined. 11:23:28 -!- yorick has joined. 11:27:53 `analog 11:27:54 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: analog: not found 11:27:57 `analogy 11:28:01 part is to thia as squef is to hamplique 11:28:05 only took me about half an hour to get it working :D 11:36:50 -!- imp9 has joined. 11:57:23 -!- ZuuJobs has changed nick to Zuu. 12:08:46 -!- imp9 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:12:47 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:19:09 -!- imp9 has joined. 12:33:18 -!- mhi^ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 12:37:02 -!- Tritonio has joined. 12:39:32 -!- imp_9 has joined. 12:40:08 I would like some advice! 12:40:43 If a function doesn't pass the fairbairn threshold but the implementation is not obvious, what should I do 12:41:21 Hang on, I'm only using this function once 12:42:12 I guess that's pretty firmly on the "remove" side of things 12:42:33 -!- imp9 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:44:57 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:47:53 -!- imp_9 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:48:00 -!- Frooxius has joined. 12:48:09 -!- imp9 has joined. 12:55:42 -!- imp9 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:57:49 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 13:09:18 -!- Tritonio has quit (Quit: Tritonio). 13:15:05 -!- Gregor has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:15:09 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:15:10 -!- shikhout has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:15:10 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:15:17 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:15:18 -!- shikhin has joined. 13:15:18 -!- realzies has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:15:18 -!- atehwa has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:15:25 -!- atehwa has joined. 13:16:00 -!- ion has joined. 13:16:06 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 13:16:26 -!- Gregor has joined. 13:16:32 -!- realzies has joined. 13:16:32 -!- realzies has quit (Changing host). 13:16:32 -!- realzies has joined. 13:16:35 -!- ^v has joined. 13:18:04 -!- HackEgo has quit (Write error: Broken pipe). 13:18:23 -!- HackEgo has joined. 13:22:00 -!- mhi^ has joined. 13:30:05 -!- trn has joined. 14:11:43 [wiki] [[User:TieSoul]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40229&oldid=40163 * TieSoul * (+358) List of languages I've implemented 14:22:30 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:25:20 -!- mhi^ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 14:25:51 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:32:25 -!- Tritonio has joined. 14:35:31 Hello from the As-sembly. 14:39:16 Ass-embly 14:39:34 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 14:40:17 Asse-mbly. 14:47:09 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 14:48:17 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:49:50 -!- klotztest has joined. 14:50:29 -!- klotztest has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:50:37 -!- perrier has joined. 14:51:30 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:51:38 -!- perrier has joined. 15:01:40 `analogy 15:01:44 eight is to upgn as vam is to edney 15:01:57 Who made that dictionary? 15:02:37 you did hth 15:03:05 The Hoover did `words. 15:03:21 I meant words 15:03:22 upgn? 15:03:48 That's statistical models for you. 15:04:03 I think it's trigrams. 15:04:46 'pgn' sounds slightly unlikely, but sometimes the source dicts have abbrevs too. 15:05:41 `words --help 15:05:42 Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger dataset 15:06:01 from google, "fairbairn threshold" seems like a haskell/agda community thing 15:06:27 `words -l 15:06:29 valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M 15:06:36 um that was in response to Taneb in the logs 15:08:12 oerjan, it's "if a name of a function is about as long as its definition, ask yourself is it really worth having a name?" roughly 15:08:21 Ask edwardk 15:08:32 i did get the gist of the definition 15:08:42 it just didn't seem like a very widespread term 15:08:43 ? 15:08:55 oh fairbairn 15:08:59 edwardk, where does the Fairbain threshold come from? 15:09:03 Who was Fairbairn? 15:09:09 it was an early discussion on the libraries mailing list 15:09:16 about naming a simple composition 15:09:29 and he pointed out that it was better to have smaller combinators that folks could put together 15:09:35 than to name all the pairs of combinators 15:09:40 so then, does "fairbairn threshold" cross the fairbairn threshold? 15:09:51 because the latter is a less compositional vocabulary and it drives users to look up the solution in the dictionary 15:10:00 causing you to grow the dictionary further 15:10:38 on the other hand if you have simple compositional higher order functions then you get units of highly reusable functionality and don't cram the namespace full of trivial compositions 15:11:10 anywyas jon fairbairn has been around in the haskell community a long time, maybe 15 years or so, but he's kinda idle these days 15:11:38 Right 15:11:44 so he's responsible for killing equating, basically. 15:11:50 i use his threshold as a sort of litmus test to prevent core library explosion 15:12:05 well, i rather think of it as he's responsible for driving the creation of on 15:12:14 ah 15:12:21 I may have been misusing the threshold slightly 15:12:31 i'm personally okay with the addition of equating if only because it crosses another threshold 15:12:43 the point at which telling people no is taking more time than just adding the fucking thing 15:12:56 i've been calling that the co-"Fairbairn" threshold ;) 15:13:17 if the whole point of the former was to save people time, then there is a point at which we're in net productivity loss the other way too ;) 15:13:41 heh 15:14:09 i tend to re-evaluate my stance on something when it gets reinvented over and over every few months by different people 15:14:26 because obviously there is something there -- a need we arent satisfying 15:14:37 we're not at a local optimum, something wants to pull us along a gradient 15:15:57 Where did “co-” come from in the first place? 15:16:16 lens does not obey the afirbairn threshold :) 15:16:25 also, I can't type. 15:16:33 i was going to mention lens 15:16:55 to be fair, it does mostly obey it, it's just that it has to macro-expand the definition of the compositional language that is its operators. 15:17:02 lens is all about building a compositional vocabulary -- it just chose a bigger grain size 15:17:20 and morphology has structure to it 15:17:24 elliott, most of the operators are my fault 15:17:28 in a way that most of these one off things don't 15:17:41 yeah i blame taneb for everything 15:17:44 i'm totally innocent 15:17:46 Because I wanted <<+~ for a thing and I got slightly carried away 15:17:54 is morphology what we're calling optics now? 15:17:55 well the other libraries have some of that too, like _ M A 15:18:31 elliott: nah, just meaning the structure inside the name of a thing. the fact that our naming conventions agglutinate like prefixes and suffixes, etc. 15:18:36 :t preview 15:18:37 oh. 15:18:38 MonadReader s m => Getting (First a) s a -> m (Maybe a) 15:18:40 :t view . pre 15:18:42 MonadReader s m => Getting (First a) s a -> m (Maybe a) 15:18:44 see, morphology kinda works as a name for optics. 15:18:50 sorta. 15:19:16 i've been spending a lot of time with lenses in a more general categorical setting 15:19:29 isos on natural transformations are pretty awesome 15:19:39 emember all the quantified lens stuff we couldn't say? 15:19:47 bam, easy. 15:19:51 what kinda stuff? 15:20:10 take plated, now go write something that walks a syntax tree and takes statements to statements, expressions to expressions 15:20:22 or which preserves types 15:20:33 let's not and say I did :) 15:25:11 -!- TieSoul_ has joined. 15:28:21 -!- TieSoul has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:39:34 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 15:51:13 -!- TieSoul has joined. 15:54:35 -!- TieSoul_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:00:38 -!- shikhout has joined. 16:03:11 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:04:01 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 16:14:49 -!- mhi^ has joined. 16:18:58 wait. so words doesn't use a dictionary? 16:19:09 `words --eng-1m 16:19:11 spithwachardli 16:20:29 it would make sense to use a language model kind of how fungot does right? 16:20:30 quintopia: that's nice. you mean to simply pass the arguments to the call to call/ cc isn't a time machine module that returns the list? 16:21:40 It'd be much easier for german 16:21:45 just give a base dictionary 16:21:56 and then mix words together to construct compound words 16:22:02 It does exactly what fungot does. 16:22:02 fizzie: that's what i used 16:22:16 Except in characters and not words. 16:22:22 Flaschenhundsammelbeckenreinigungsfachmann 16:22:40 Also some minor other differences. 16:23:24 bottle dog collector tub cleaning specialist 16:32:41 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 16:46:02 Hey guys 16:47:29 Dutch also does that. Autobandenwieldopjesverzamelaarsbeurskaartjes is car tyre valve collectors' exchange tickets. 16:53:24 Finnish, unsurprisingly. 16:53:56 Though also with inflection, up to some degree. 17:19:35 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 17:27:06 -!- TodPunk has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:29:33 `words 17:29:35 pritonio 17:29:41 `words 10 17:29:42 usur atlan pxcelief oling eductor prainer moniah cochoppa villa poul 17:30:04 `cat words 17:30:04 cat: words: No such file or directory 17:30:07 `cat bin/words 17:30:08 ​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \ eval { \ require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \ }; \ #wa 17:30:16 `paste bin/words 17:30:17 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/words 17:30:23 does it have python? 17:30:31 also 17:30:33 `python --version 17:30:34 Python 2.7.3 17:30:37 how can you add such large files? 17:30:44 `help 17:30:44 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 17:30:56 ah 17:30:58 ok 17:31:00 hm 17:32:46 The `fetch has been occasionally broken. 17:33:23 Don't know about current state. 17:34:50 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:35:33 -!- perrier has joined. 17:35:47 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:36:29 -!- perrier has joined. 17:36:48 `words --german 17:36:50 yorken 17:36:55 `words --german 10 17:36:56 ausgesches quotenbetrieb großes vivo ungspolitätisch tantermorperan rechnungsplani öylen ficingabe frei 17:37:37 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:38:07 `words --german 10 17:38:08 hanienspekt extaufklärung vötigesundspitz hangendestielte reierudenkorreprac capitzers portelleticschwulfarbeschutz schenkvorrieder unbedürfnisinummis dnl 17:38:19 -!- perrier has joined. 17:38:41 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:39:09 `run words --german --finnish 10 # one of its best features 17:39:11 antabunktiv reuzstr geburyholh rach hefessalle sämmänä geograahekser sachtetesi terik ethalustel 17:40:48 -!- mhi^ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 17:43:17 -!- mihow has joined. 17:43:21 `words --german-medical 10 17:43:22 bewegungen adrezifisch glycetamin hyperidenomenfall pioidtumphase resierteropium expresensitiere anspuffiziös hyperationen explageburs 17:43:56 Neat. 17:47:06 -!- shikhout has changed nick to shikhin. 17:47:20 `ls share/WordData 17:47:21 Brazilian \ Bulgarian \ CanadianEnglishInsane \ Catalan \ Eng1M \ EngAll \ EngFiction \ EngGb \ EngUs \ Esolangs \ Finnish \ French \ Gaelic \ German \ GermanMedical \ Hebrew \ Irish \ Italian \ Manx \ Norwegian \ Ogerman \ Polish \ Portuguese \ Russian \ Spanish \ Swedish 17:50:34 you can't just chain german nouns though 17:50:46 there's the -s- that sometimes must be squished in 17:50:49 and case 17:50:56 although the -s- is regional 17:54:02 Also -n-. 17:57:27 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 17:58:43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinderkennzeichnungs-_und_Rindfleischetikettierungs%C3%BCberwachungsaufgaben%C3%BCbertragungsgesetz 17:58:45 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 18:06:46 where's the -n-? 18:07:02 ah 18:07:07 aufgaben 18:07:46 I guess these are actually just case endings 18:07:47 Well, that’s strictly a plural -n. 18:07:50 -s is genitive 18:07:54 and -n is plural 18:08:05 Verrechnung-s-steuer 18:08:22 In “Sonnenstrahl” however, the -n is historical genitive IIRC. 18:08:24 it's the steuer of the verrechnung 18:08:41 "Verrechnungs Steuer" really means the Steuer of the Verrechnung 18:09:22 No, “Verrechnung” is its own genitive form, nowadays anyway. 18:09:33 Really? 18:09:58 Des Verrechnung Steuer sounds weird 18:10:32 “der Verrechnung” – -ung nouns are feminine. 18:10:54 Oh. yeah 18:11:24 genitive for feminine nouns sounds weird 18:11:26 i.e. 18:11:28 Des Mannes Koffer 18:11:33 Der Frau Koffer <- ?? 18:11:47 help i'm trying to find the original source of the comic graph of "physics knowledge vs. how much sense the universe makes". i'm pretty sure it's SMBC, or if not that, then xkcd, but I can't find it 18:11:54 Using the genitive that way is rare in the first place. 18:12:04 Except for names. 18:12:42 I was born without a genitive :) 18:12:59 (swiss dialects generally lack genitive) 18:13:27 Der Koffer der Frau is a perfect sentence though 18:13:33 They use the dative instead, no? 18:13:46 in swiss german you'd say "Der Koffer von der Frau" 18:14:49 Which means you cant answer to question like "Welches Auto" with just "Papas" 18:15:00 you have to say "dem Papa seines" 18:15:23 Yeah. Dative. 18:15:38 or "em papi siis" to put it into real swiss german ;) 18:16:18 german is lacking a neutral "unbestimmter Artikel" though 18:16:28 ein/eine is all you guys have ;) 18:16:37 (officially) 18:17:13 and I've heard your definition of "obwohl" is broken, too. 18:17:22 “indefinite article” is the English term. 18:17:51 And what besides ein/eine/ein would we have? And what would you say “obwohl” means? 18:17:58 "Obwohl ich zur Bank ging, war sie geschlossen." 18:18:04 Never. 18:18:25 somebody said, this wouldn't imply that the speaker expects the bank to open just for him 18:18:37 That’s what it sounds like to me. 18:19:15 to me it's sounds like the speaker expects the bank to open for him 18:19:17 and 18:19:20 Yes. 18:19:24 "Ich ging zur Bank, obwohl sie geschlossen war" 18:19:30 is - to him - the same thing 18:19:42 wat 18:19:44 to me it implies that you knew that it was closed 18:19:48 but you chose to go anyway 18:20:01 Yeah. 18:22:01 So, I don’t know about your informant, but I would consider the first example to imply that the speaker expects the bank to be open just because he went there. 18:36:01 -!- imp9 has joined. 18:44:10 that's what I told him :) 18:51:36 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:57:07 So... My phone randomly rebooted and then went into a boot loop (in the boot loader, didn't even get to the kernel logo). Had to remove the battery and put it back in to fix that. How strange 18:57:41 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 19:02:35 -!- edwardk has joined. 19:03:46 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: g2g). 19:04:35 It seems more likely that the speaker has trouble with the subtleties of the German language. 19:05:54 (This was my first reaction, "this sounds off, what is the intended meaning likely to be?") 19:37:42 -!- TodPunk has joined. 19:38:02 you know what, I'm going to make a stack-based arbitrary-dimension language, because there seems to be a lack of that (with the exception of BeQunge) 19:38:19 And I just really enjoy multi-dimensional languages 19:44:11 there's an encoding problem 19:44:26 ? 19:45:19 it's easy enough to do computation in many dimensions 19:45:29 notation 19:45:30 yes 19:45:49 that will be done by putting the 2,3,4,5...-dimensional coordinates before the line 19:45:53 like Dimensifuck 19:49:28 In the time-honored Assembly tradition, nothing is working right here. 19:51:08 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 19:51:50 http://bpaste.net/show/tcsF1mXcInau1cr5ftKZ/ < what I'm planning for the language. Feedback? 19:55:17 oh, I forgot, new lines are denoted by ascii character 10 19:55:21 -!- mihow has joined. 20:00:46 I don't understand 20:03:57 What don't you understand? 20:06:29 how it works 20:07:02 maybe it doesn't 20:07:11 whatever "it" is. 20:09:38 do you mean the dimension thing? 20:09:44 `coins 20:09:45 ​wabetcoin jrowncoin aracketlancoin feracoin brbcoin smdcoin bubcoin bfjousiccoin devebantumbraidicoin producoin cicsends.jscoin gorycoin kayarcoin mkbcoin indecoin sumercoin grotorcoin minuongshawcoin self-brokeryedumberckcoin bitcoin 20:10:20 if you want a 3-dimensional program, and the first line is on 3D coordinate 1, you can do 20:10:27 0,1 (program) 20:11:08 I mean 20:11:11 0,1 (line) 20:11:36 then when you make another line, it will be on coords 1,1 if you don't specify anything 20:11:43 you've described a syntax, but what are the semantics? 20:11:52 http://bpaste.net/show/tcsF1mXcInau1cr5ftKZ/ 20:11:58 no 20:12:04 that's what I've read 20:12:12 then I clearly don't know what semantics means 20:12:42 what happens when the program is executed? 20:13:10 well, I haven't gotten that far yet 20:13:30 but there'll an IP that moves along with a delta 20:13:58 and there'll be instructions that the IP executes, and they can change the delta to any multi-dimensional vector 20:14:15 that's about as far as I've got 20:14:16 :P 20:15:05 (as long as that multi-dimensional vector fits within the amount of dimensions of the program 20:15:08 ) 20:16:32 -!- TieSoul-mobile has joined. 20:16:56 If you said anything after my last message I didn't see it :P 20:17:33 TieSoul-mobile: you could check the logs, but nothing was said in the meantime 20:17:48 Alright 20:19:54 i don't really see the benefit of all those dimensions 20:20:37 I don't really see the benefit of brainfuck 20:20:39 we can avoid intersection of code lines with only 3 dimensions 20:20:53 TieSoul-mobile: to create the smallest compiler possible 20:21:20 It's an experiment and a programming exercise for me. 20:22:39 ok i'll give you five bfjousicoin if you succeed 20:23:03 How much dogecoin is that worth? 20:23:57 ~0 20:24:01 Ah 20:24:03 Nice 20:24:27 `coins 20:24:29 ​razycoin malcoin belcoin colliiecoin ted!coin pointercacoin bestfrocercoin cloorthcoin l00coin phoniccoin .yacuaticoin spilecoin udacoin disilacoin uncitocoin dracoin capuicoin moustcoin oischemcoin audinava2coin 20:24:46 would you prefer some ted!coin? 20:24:59 `` printf "%u" $((~0)) 20:25:00 18446744073709551615 20:25:20 Lol 20:25:35 `` printf "%d" $((~0)) # alas... 20:25:35 ​-1 20:25:58 I'd rather have some colliiecoin. 20:26:30 I suggested "coercoin" a while ago but nobody reacted. 20:33:07 inrecommend unciteocoin for wikipedia sponsoring 20:39:59 -!- imp9 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:48:34 -!- TieSoul-mobile has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:58:17 -!- TieSoul-mobile has joined. 21:00:32 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:23:29 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:35:37 It would be fun if the coin thing was fed by markov chains and logs from here 21:36:51 fungot: give us a coin, please 21:36:51 int-e: it's a lot of pictures of fnord and strcat. so what is a ' cell tracker' for 9110, btw. 21:36:59 argl. 21:37:10 not the f-word! please! have mercy! 21:52:17 is the f-word fungot 21:52:17 shachaf: something stinks here. the lady replied... " but i had noticable slow down when conducting sisc upgrade test 21:56:31 -!- ais523_ has joined. 21:57:17 finally, I have success in the "get Windows to work again" direction 21:57:43 I'm not sure if I'm going to go beyond this and actually attempt to install Visual Studio 21:57:44 but I might 21:58:01 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:00:34 -!- shikhout has joined. 22:01:38 it was quite the adventure, I might write a blog post about it 22:02:05 hah 22:03:30 -!- shikhin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:04:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:17:52 help i'm trying to find the original source of the comic graph of "physics knowledge vs. how much sense the universe makes". i'm pretty sure it's SMBC, or if not that, then xkcd, but I can't find it <-- well googling your term doesn't give me any _copy_ of the graph either. 22:18:10 which makes it a little hard to get started. 22:19:53 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:20:15 there were numerous problems 22:20:26 and I only just resolved the last one (I was having the same problem as the last comment here: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/6119d4c0-c3c0-40bf-9c3e-46b46915e738/service-not-start-access-denied-software-protection-event-logs?forum=winservergen) 22:21:15 Herman Bonnie, I don't know who you are, but thanks for the advice, and thanks for letting me know about procmon 22:21:34 for several hours, I was thinking "if only I had a Windows version of strace, this would be easy to fix" 22:21:55 and procmon has a subset of strace's abilities, but fortunately, all the functionality I needed was in that subset 22:22:34 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:25:12 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 22:26:59 oerjan: i can find a link to a copy hold on 22:27:39 (however, note that this will not contain any references to the original source, so it will still be hard to get started) 22:28:21 kay 22:30:01 although with some luck maybe it'll jog my memory 22:31:32 http://www.quora.com/Religion/How-does-one-believe-in-so-called-God-when-Science-proves-everything 22:33:03 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:33:07 why are you linking to that, also i can only read the first answer 22:34:11 well that's where the image is 22:34:15 here's a direct link 22:34:17 http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dec081428190913d063e3ef0a62eb191?convert_to_webp=true 22:35:40 well that allowed me to google the first phrase properly 22:36:19 giving this, which credits zach weiner (of smbc) https://twitter.com/sndrclsn/status/486748250071126016 22:36:45 yes i was pretty sure that's where i saw it thanks 22:37:54 the reddit link points me on to the right comic http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2376 (red button) 22:39:06 i figured it was a votey too 22:39:08 ty 22:41:06 yw 22:43:09 damn smbc site doesn't say what license these are published on the main front page :( 22:43:26 it just says copyright 22:43:32 so i guess there is no license 22:46:39 in a shocking development, dmm's latest comic, planet of hats, isn't open licensed either 22:46:47 afaict 22:47:23 hm i guess darths & droids isn't either 22:47:41 but all the others that i remember 22:47:58 THEY'VE CORRUPTED HIM 23:03:40 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 23:06:22 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:10:50 the web keeps breaking here 23:10:55 internet works, web breaks 23:10:58 i don't get it 23:12:18 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:13:00 is some sort of proxy involved? 23:13:07 compare http and https, see if one is more reliable than the other 23:13:13 (either way round would be interesting) 23:14:29 i don't know of a proxy 23:21:25 there are approximately none 23:21:48 quintopia: the "compare http and https" was meant as an attempt to detect one 23:22:15 you might also want to try looking at https certificates to see if they're being replaced 23:24:45 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:25:47 it's funny how my favorite puzzles from simon tatham's have changed after i got a new laptop - solely because the new touchpad is more awkward for frequent precision clicks 23:27:02 i used to do lightup for a _long_ time, but now i get annoyed after a couple tries. 23:27:39 some of the awkwardness might be because i'm now actually keeping it in my lap. 23:27:58 but not all of it. 23:28:36 so i've sort of changed to doing more of the puzzle that have good keyboard shortcuts. 23:28:40 *+s 23:43:28 -!- edwardk has joined. 23:43:34 [wiki] [[RAGE]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40230 * 173.240.241.83 * (+21) Redirected page to [[RAGE!!!]] 23:54:47 -!- ais523 has joined.