< 1406332969 259077 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406333088 551838 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've heard you talking about those puzzles on several occasions, but I've never seen one < 1406333207 367970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Can you play Pokemon Card at all? I can show you the puzzles. See http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/puzzle.1 up to puzzle.5 and see terminology.txt for a glossary. < 1406333208 647564 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406333253 432877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand any of them? < 1406333363 850433 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I haven't played since I was 7 or 8 < 1406333412 667213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have questions about the rules, I can answer them. < 1406333507 28209 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406333556 235335 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric < 1406333742 353628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file puzzle.4 is made by someone else, although the other four are made by me. < 1406333790 313362 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the puzzle.n file describes a situation, and I must find winning moves? < 1406333798 767988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1406333868 831701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to find winning moves regardless of what the irrelevant cards/quantities are and how coin tosses and other random things come up and how the opponent's decisions are made. However, the solution might fork in some cases based on such things. < 1406334116 542387 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406334218 659559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now perhaps you can see if you know the first one. < 1406334752 577763 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406334975 719441 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406335032 855701 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric < 1406335045 284974 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406335049 808698 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1406335068 50878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406335351 380926 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1406335380 972607 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406335409 667760 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric < 1406335497 957273 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406335531 648208 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric < 1406336297 443559 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406336347 280504 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C < 1406336360 400646 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1406336409 722421 :LUIS1!~canaima@190.198.93.95 PART :#esoteric < 1406336614 197290 :prator!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr JOIN :#esoteric < 1406336794 285164 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406336801 610588 :prator!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr NICK :brrr < 1406337042 196148 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1406337560 862815 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1406338041 51294 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1406338093 247589 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406339469 27951 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1406341260 78092 :ajf!~Colloquy@90.210.122.167 QUIT :Quit: I quit PHP development! Forever! < 1406342069 435101 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hpmorlist < 1406342069 884567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hpmorlist: not found < 1406342383 184785 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1406342457 481641 :Guest47140!~canaima@190-76-76-179.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1406342468 392898 :Guest47140!~canaima@190-76-76-179.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406342512 348815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/createlist < 1406342513 187583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/createlist: No such file or directory < 1406342523 111600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*list < 1406342524 171574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/danddreclist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/erflist \ bin/instalist \ bin/list \ bin/llist \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist < 1406342534 332781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist < 1406342535 233985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp bin/emptylist bin/"$1" < 1406342622 799652 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is an actual erflist? < 1406342623 689861 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1406342654 721368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/instalist < 1406342655 448495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]; then printf '%s\n' "$*"; else cat; fi < 1406342676 517111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1406342730 243766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*or* < 1406342731 88944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/forget \ bin/fortune \ bin/joustreport \ bin/morse-decode \ bin/ord \ bin/ordu \ bin/pastefortunes \ bin/print_args_or_input \ bin/rainwords \ bin/word \ bin/words < 1406342743 932596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/print_args_or_input < 1406342744 727350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]; then printf '%s\n' "$*"; else cat; fi < 1406342754 867348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1406342767 684659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'instalist` bin/* < 1406342768 472663 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1406342775 897246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep 'instalist' bin/* < 1406342780 389769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1406342799 295915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/instalist < 1406342801 52788 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1406342813 412729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406342845 967125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1406342928 352792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, hello, it broke temporarily after "`cat bin/instalist" < 1406342952 993236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did < 1406342963 938884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection < 1406343060 168832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was some more HackEgo probing ending with me removing the file (as it was a redundant unused copy of bin/print_args_or_input) < 1406343122 313102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that's what it was. OK < 1406343917 687667 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406343947 758688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters h p m o and r next to each other are banned now < 1406343974 918080 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1406343980 615278 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406344024 771944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did it jump the shark < 1406344042 959869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started well past the shark < 1406344069 634174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did mary sue harry < 1406344211 258880 :Iceland_jack!user@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:8336 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406345342 657289 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406345552 637977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hromp < 1406345666 974957 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1406345667 609104 NAMES :#esoteric < 1406345670 897042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric Sgeo :you thought I was joking < 1406345673 761543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1406345673 783045 NAMES :#esoteric < 1406345678 739237 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406346459 72202 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406346562 242232 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like HP more than I like IBM < 1406347307 289937 :aretecode!~aretecode@192.159.162.143 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1406347357 139810 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 NICK :v8 < 1406347363 117000 :v8!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 NICK :^8 < 1406347460 409709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote zygohist < 1406347460 590743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EvilTerran says: the same place of nightmares that spawned zygohistomorphic prepromorphisms :P < 1406347466 93422 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1406347473 773702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now you must kick lambdabot hth < 1406347487 219697 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406347503 274698 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1406347503 296957 NAMES :#esoteric < 1406347504 817312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric lambdabot :lambdabot < 1406347508 134933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1406347568 433273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :elliott bans category theory on channel | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1406347762 185154 :aretecode!~aretecode@69.163.36.90 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1406347914 403754 :pikhq!~pikhq@deagol.pikhq.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406348026 197339 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1406348079 522276 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk NICK :edwardk < 1406349058 758446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: +yb!u poob < 1406350988 196835 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406352238 476465 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya! < 1406355827 892580 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1406356367 677995 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406356532 985770 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406356593 228020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406356776 81875 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406357259 553793 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more monads? < 1406357557 3868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please be more specific? < 1406357930 425274 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads considered endomorphisms in the category of harmful things < 1406359700 323909 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406360907 201588 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406361449 942582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you know about monads in groupoids? < 1406361691 969565 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1406361692 486119 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ moop.txt \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ unpa \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1406361703 909026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep morp quotes < 1406361704 445643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ oerjan: humans are very hard to anthropomorphise \ i feel like i should say "sexual dimorphism" winkingly and then transmute myself into a horrid fleshbeast < 1406361714 831753 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1406362270 435650 :dfceaef!~dfceaef@unaffiliated/dfceaef JOIN :#esoteric < 1406362318 888319 :dfceaef!~dfceaef@unaffiliated/dfceaef PART :#esoteric < 1406362417 836941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I don't know; do you know? < 1406362441 742163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Vaguely but I was hoping that you would know more. < 1406362456 860265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at this time, I do not know. < 1406362491 555026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what a monad in a group (1-object groupoid) is. < 1406364316 321971 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1406364408 40638 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1406365163 117020 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1406365196 194706 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1406366630 515826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : i thought we had a non-strange person in the channel but then i learned Vorpal works on cool robots <-- hm? < 1406366649 682990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess you could call the autonomous mining machines I work on robots < 1406367014 753731 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: return () < 1406367866 12805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1406367866 193783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1406368971 676758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, lambdabot; lambdabot got disconnected from its server 1:21 CEST and didn't manage to reconnect until about 9 minutes later. < 1406369102 600557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's using the chat.freenode.net rotation for DNS lookup, so it should find a working server eventually.) < 1406369149 458721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you hear that? Why can't you figure out how to use DNS, too? < 1406369149 860988 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do you want to compile < 1406370760 692644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fizzie wants to recompile you, I think < 1406370761 147844 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so how does the model of concurrency employed by erlang termite, based on structures to open ( we'll get to this point in time < 1406370784 375543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"termite", brilliant. < 1406371594 809068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find "erlang termite" in my logs. < 1406371639 593423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's lost some punctuation. I wonder how that happened. < 1406371682 26072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from yome, what term would you use to refer to the model of concurrency employed by Erlang & Termite, based on the three primitives (SPAWN thunk) -> pid, (SEND pid message), & (RECEIVE) -> message, for asynchronous SEND & synchronous RECEIVE? < 1406372292 157849 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406372344 940589 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1406373904 519135 :nooodl_!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1406374494 247888 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1406374844 811552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40179&oldid=39864 5* 0386.6.153.79 5* (+133) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ < 1406375001 325524 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1406375104 385158 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1406375501 757666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40180&oldid=40179 5* 03Haael 5* (+898) 10/* Partially Silly Ideas */ < 1406375990 438207 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1406376210 527990 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406376405 66895 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1406377000 102119 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1406377348 513047 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1406378465 838137 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1406378907 959575 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406379076 720501 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406379637 7047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1406380007 301332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, it's lost some punctuation. I wonder how that happened. <-- has anyone seen fungot use a & < 1406380007 529040 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's yucky!?! :p) then performed operations on it < 1406380011 633613 :^8!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 NICK :^v < 1406380024 63456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so that's why you don't use it? < 1406380024 244093 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh well, it is very annoying < 1406380077 151827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :In which fungot reveals his burning hate of the ampersand | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1406380092 757214 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that semi-obscure language... is it called C? < 1406380110 153515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wait what gender are you again < 1406380110 675500 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is not a verb" without the problems i see are the use cases for having an assassin cat. < 1406380129 33591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a gender isn't a verb, fungot < 1406380129 214168 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( of course, this a trivial example < 1406380302 877253 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning tout le monde! < 1406380316 982425 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should ban french < 1406380323 229379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon ettermiddag < 1406380355 977207 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did elliott really ban CT on the chännel? < 1406380363 227697 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you are a fungot. < 1406380363 515975 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that woudl be hashsomething, not hashsomething, for latter is array indexes the former is quicker to type < 1406380367 358892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not directly < 1406380432 205995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he banned the letters h, p, m, o and r used consecutively, and without regard for order. < 1406380450 465130 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1406380452 889771 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. makes sense. < 1406380475 565950 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1406380483 418127 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: those pesky letters that usually appear after words that begin with ana-, hylo-, cata-, zygo-... < 1406380553 901332 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm. the electrical wiring in my apartment is of a questionable reliability... every time the AC starts and is not just fanning around, the lights disquietely dim.) < 1406380589 451895 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1406380653 144202 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also trans-, but those are beasts of a completely different colour. < 1406380686 286318 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more basic, one has mono- and epi-. also endo-. < 1406380704 430484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all keep forgetting iso- < 1406380705 903079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those kind of mor phism are not even scary. < 1406380740 917594 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful int-e, you're toying with unknown evil forces here! (i'a i'a elliott fhtaghn!) < 1406380760 947320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need more fisms! < 1406380779 551009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume a space helps since elliott used that himself in the decree < 1406380838 745706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your favourite character, then? < 1406380839 105648 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: um... fnord. release notes is what i call an education!! why is everything separated into different modules ( and changed the parser a bit, e.g. < 1406380846 232278 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure < 1406380862 178884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a character so rare it gets substituted by fnord, makes sense < 1406380862 946041 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a U+XXXX FUNGOT FNORD somewhere? < 1406380894 510387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about -ine? < 1406380907 923459 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's raised on release notes? < 1406380908 497586 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: this is confusing me here though, getting pretty damn hard to move from the fnord with which it is restricted to 20k including the run-time, and possibly some other data structure), gets wrapped with the opening parens and do c-m q < 1406380944 326098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in this channel using that will _cause_ unbearable pain hth < 1406381081 731633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about phorminges... < 1406381108 114776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps elliott is allergic to lyres, too. < 1406381128 79989 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyres? < 1406381142 507061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny that discussing adjoints, and limits (like products, coproducts, pullbacks, pushouts, equalizers, etc.) is perfectly ok by elliott's decree. < 1406381197 725976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: plural of "lyre", hth < 1406381249 470445 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again struck by a bout of naïveté. oh well. time to go get something to eat. < 1406381308 808210 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how people have problems with ä but are perfectly okay with ï < 1406381384 148504 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“... Afrikaans, Catalan, Dutch, French, Galician, Welsh, Southern Sami, and occasionally English...” < 1406381761 641230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well näiveté is just not right < 1406381853 701282 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wasn't what i meant < 1406381891 750026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKÄY < 1406381936 306391 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that one < 1406382088 781740 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All vowels are born free and equal in diacritics and orthographies... < 1406382480 885868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Ä is two vowels! < 1406382502 213631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly german < 1406382520 219068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Æ, except the e is lower case and on top. < 1406382775 98653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice illustration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Umlaut_Development.png < 1406382815 388989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :schoen -> sch?n -> schön < 1406382876 631228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. "schoͤn" < 1406383135 186386 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406383160 46907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :koͤn_ < 1406383179 333385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode oͤ < 1406383180 94081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0364 COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER E] < 1406383236 519922 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oͤrjan < 1406383971 282615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you forgot t < 1406384021 321140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1406384029 577736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, I did < 1406384089 563460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still has no clue what elliott is talking about
< 1406384141 575676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters < 1406384170 945663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see where there should be a t < 1406384200 961573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"näiveté"? < 1406384215 677170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1406384223 506223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1406384225 403798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. < 1406384233 618467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you're näive < 1406384234 550998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, I just woke up. < 1406384237 665084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't question me. < 1406384258 598514 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily < 1406384279 197948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why? < 1406384280 890737 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopi... what the... is that a 1 stapled to your name? < 1406384298 706143 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1406384309 977174 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah, much better ^^ < 1406384311 159710 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1406384311 340287 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1406384362 616936 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep missing you < 1406384368 598286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you doing here on a sat. morning < 1406384459 959380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: because I have +o :P < 1406384572 468173 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I had one fungotload of a week. Monday night was Douteux, Tuesday night I watched that X-Men movie with friends (I found it passably meh), Wednesday night we played GoT (and probably drank one too many beer), Thursday night I don't quite remember what I did Thursday, and yesterday I got to bed at 20:00. < 1406384572 652544 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not at all. < 1406384588 42019 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, a metric fungot to be exact. < 1406384588 289224 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it'll seem like a really odd form of ' foo has no reasonable way to go from here < 1406384638 268011 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what did I do Thursday night... where was I...) < 1406384644 704294 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1406384671 730029 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at a friend's grilling stuff on the BBQ, then battling the stupid EFI on his computer. < 1406384755 829097 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what did you weekdayed this week? < 1406384785 672532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm willing to take bribes to license various arrangements of h, p, m, o and r. < 1406384845 864242 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you accept Canadian products? < 1406384858 207218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of canadian products? < 1406384985 437724 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :os it customary to wind up writing an esolang that you yourself can't follow? < 1406384999 652947 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you choice of bacon, a mug from Tim, or a can of syrup. (quintopia has exclusive rights on cookies.) < 1406385034 149396 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: if you want to achieve quality, yes. < 1406385086 733529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i've been up way to late every night struggling to stay on top of everything, figuring sleep is the least important thing < 1406385105 253557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, when i finally have time to get things done, i waste it < 1406385125 819955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I have trouble believing you'd actually ship these things. < 1406385135 73644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that they'd get past customs without fuss if you did. < 1406385215 940482 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bioly: then it would seem I have achieved it, because I don't seem to be able to make sense of how to do a simple binary search in VIOLET. < 1406385272 64198 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I managed to ship edibles to quintopia, so why not? don't tell me you live in an unshippableto place? < 1406385289 440499 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: :( < 1406385304 341608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect shipping things Canada<->US is easier than into the EU. < 1406385444 572495 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: if you know how to achieve that in BASIC, then know how to map it over to VIOLET, then it may be possible to do a binary search in the latter. < 1406385515 105258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw, are those mugs in some way special? < 1406385532 862135 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bioly: I think I just need to change my logic, yes. < 1406385543 91046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, are any of those special? they don't sound very canada-specific :P < 1406385559 391493 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1406385598 794122 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tim Horton's. our very own Canadian Cult! < 1406385885 821661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but... it's just a mug, right? < 1406386101 159336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an amphore < 1406386216 314241 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. Got it. https://github.com/jarcane/BlueBox/blob/master/guessthenumber.violet < 1406386293 198713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now do the same thing except that the player is allowed to lie exactly once during the game < 1406386313 26479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well. at most once) < 1406386353 837286 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I know how to do a simple lie check (if correct = 0 but upper=lower), but that would be tricky. < 1406386823 734346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i slept until 3pm yesterday, and haven't slept since < 1406386980 437610 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one should invent the Instant Mattress. just add water and bam! a comfy mattress on which you can nap. < 1406387074 565460 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kind of have those, but they're expensive and weight hundreds of pounds and take hours to fill. ;) < 1406387109 497376 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also self-inflating mattresses which only require a power source. they weigh several pounds uninflated. < 1406387116 931836 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONVENIENCE < 1406387231 842931 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go the Chinese way. forget any complex apparatii, and just declare this surface to be sleepable. < 1406387261 433473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite solution is the hammock < 1406387264 285900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo comfy < 1406387267 945323 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia < 1406387273 677525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weighs nothing < 1406387278 178298 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lived with an air mattress for sometime. < 1406387289 184567 :J_Arcane!~j_arcane@dsl-trebrasgw2-54f949-238.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn thing started leaking almost from the day I bought it. < 1406387370 695490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1406387373 498338 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do that < 1406387386 105624 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence using the self-inflating one < 1406387411 171935 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wake up in the middle of the night half-sunk to the floor, just switch it on for a minute, and bam, back to normal < 1406388414 301722 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a pizza < 1406388466 795844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1406388494 774378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a modafinil or suchlike zzzzzzz < 1406388549 632367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modafinil pizza! < 1406388552 485447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes please < 1406388562 808875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modafinil makes me feel a little weirdly queasy < 1406388595 65267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cause I weigh nothing so I get too much of it in my bloodstream < 1406388657 309959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how it makes me feel. maybe one day i will know. i doubt it would be noticeable because i weigh plenty < 1406388657 553087 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked the The File. I have your weight listed as “(3 ?)”. care to explain? < 1406388674 549746 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one of which smaller amounts work better? < 1406388759 944769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not as exciting a nootropic as people make it out to be. it just makes you more awake < 1406388775 857840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i want to be < 1406388799 557161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to occasionally be able to correct my sleep schedule without my work suffering < 1406389034 110496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean it's not really that it makes you more awake it just makes you feel like you need to sleep less. you're still about as tired but with more focus < 1406389156 340032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i won't spend all day wishing i was in bed and struggling to keep my eyes open? < 1406389159 257453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1406389161 497412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring it on < 1406389454 195200 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1406389486 373513 :nooodl_!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1406389667 306158 :nooodl!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow python's .format can do this: '{:0{}x}'.format(255,6) == '0000ff' < 1406389711 986716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you know you can just buy it online right < 1406389729 414576 :nooodl!~nooodl@10.108-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A format_spec field can also include nested replacement fields within it. These nested replacement fields can contain only a field name; conversion flags and format specifications are not allowed. The replacement fields within the format_spec are substituted before the format_spec string is interpreted. This allows the formatting of a value to be dynamically specified." < 1406389738 113064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, within the US < 1406389906 400740 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's on my to-do list < 1406389920 129987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as i like to call it < 1406389929 274806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the list of things that may happen someday" < 1406390092 904990 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1406390112 362537 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1406390294 818352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1406391128 303544 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1406391527 870390 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406391602 964631 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1406391784 512849 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406391816 945593 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PHONOTACTIC CHICKEN < 1406391879 328266 :impomatic_!~digital_w@167.156.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1406391953 646994 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1406392011 310161 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-156-068.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1406392434 538595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Argh heavy bass music < 1406393273 251533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1406393532 334495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1406394280 336322 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406394682 473879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got pizza < 1406394837 296133 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406394974 934255 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406394989 832315 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1406395014 96170 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/07/24/the-sims-2-free-ultimate-edition/ < 1406395027 384763 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406395053 458319 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406395100 539410 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406395320 277828 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406395438 689668 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406395445 103079 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1406395753 188632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: jealous < 1406395918 736474 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-47-173.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1406396009 322751 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1406396222 995221 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1406396407 629076 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406396623 854071 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1406397267 996467 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406397293 388498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406397413 414463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1406397634 325226 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1406397805 255622 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406399922 333833 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1406400759 99028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It probably won't help you sleep that much better, but I've now set up an automated esolangs.org backup (incl. a mysqldump), and also a thing to log the server network traffic, so that (after a month) I can have some sort of idea how much bandwidth it takes. (Extrapolating from 24 hours, 20 GiB/month.) < 1406400932 194949 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1406400944 800291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, perhaps that can help. < 1406401014 39183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bandwidth for the wiki or the backups? < 1406401032 316956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly esolangs.org is still really slow even though it works :P < 1406401284 48026 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be old news to some, but I just found out google are running SPDY over UDP now (called QUIC). Interesting idea. But I can imagine all sorts of issues with NAT and proxies doing that hm < 1406401619 672792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bandwidth for everything, I didn't want to bother being more specific. So it will also include e.g. HackEgo. < 1406401702 474807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I used way less than 20 gigabytes a month on linode, I think... < 1406401853 408995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly I can look a little bit closer on what it's made of. But 20 gigabytes is not terribly much. < 1406401884 865084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the backups happen weekly, and it shouldn't account to all that much. < 1406401949 818166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gzip'd mysqldump is 66 megs, and the rsync probably doesn't take very many bytes. < 1406402590 966777 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1406403467 720447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is linnode good? < 1406403477 524839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine < 1406403477 740174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been thinking about getting a VPS < 1406403491 719314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :linode, digitalocean, prgmr, it's all fine < 1406403498 875995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a decent one that isn't massively expensive either < 1406403506 339974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably a case of "pick one" < 1406403508 979581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still < 1406403586 901255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those choices are all affordable and decent < 1406403592 872198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm they are all "pick a package" rather than "pick how much you need of each component" though < 1406403599 337366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1406403626 27445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why, because I need much more storage than CPU or memory < 1406403630 873189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pricing is simple and fine. you can go for tilaa.com or whatever if you want to customise more but it'll probably correspondingly cost more. < 1406403654 186890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tilaa seemed quite reasonably priced when I checked it < 1406403674 882368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit too reasonably priced, which made me wonder what the catch is < 1406403682 538404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VPSes are cheap < 1406403688 357223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you already have a provider in mind why ask me though? < 1406403707 714322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : no I don't. I have looked at a few, but I'm indecisive < 1406403719 202290 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I'm asking you < 1406403754 472805 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1406403781 701186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 euros per month for 2 gig ram / 2x 2.4ghz / 40 gb ssd storage on tila. way more expensive than linode at under 15 euros a month for same ram, same cores (but idk about the clockspeed), 48 gb ssd < 1406403796 595156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though linode has a 3 tb transfer limit on that < 1406403808 242733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still tilaa is a lot more expensive for comparable stuff < 1406403829 699598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, linnode uses USD, that is why < 1406403839 81197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1406403848 478266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made that mistake too < 1406403857 88779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking tilaa's prices were really cheap because I assumed they were in USD < 1406403863 105090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1406403901 759955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're happy with a mechanical disk then tilaa is only about a euro more than linode for that, but then the plans aren't comparable, so < 1406403913 562997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I basically need say 1-2 GB RAM, 1-2 cores and quite a bit of storage. < 1406403971 845944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then a 320 gb mechanical disk with that is only 27.40 eur/month for tilaa, for linode you have to go up to a $160/mo plan to get that much storage (though it's more, and SSD) < 1406403977 367416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah if you want lots of storage a customisable thing is reasonable < 1406403988 56257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tilaa has unlimited transfer, which is nice, but linnode and digitalocean have more than enough transfer per month. < 1406404008 494197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :transfer doesn't really matter unless you're using it as a seedbox or something... < 1406404009 959214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :prgrm is cutting it a bit close < 1406404017 584638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think linode lets you add storage separately < 1406404020 671642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk the costs for that < 1406404022 626816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that is nice < 1406404029 824634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not certain either < 1406404042 215148 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm should be googable < 1406404143 455715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm basically planning mail server + backup. Probably a simple web server too (because why not), but I don't expect much traffic. You really don't need massive CPU or RAM for such a use case. But you need a lot of disk for backup < 1406404174 152713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe looking at some amazon storage cloud thingy would be better then. Not sure < 1406404237 696595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust VPS storage for backup. < 1406404266 16733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you should back up your VPS. stuff is there for volatility or convenience reasons. < 1406404271 324979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1406404296 689945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd just get a reasonably priced VPS and back up your mail and other stuff through whatever (tarsnap, maybe your VPS provider's backup offering if they have one...) < 1406404300 849578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well to where? I need cloud based backup. tarsnap next? < 1406404317 477171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1406404387 221103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, tarsnap would end up expensive given the backup sizes I have (I estimated from my current rdiff backups) < 1406404402 55199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess encrypted files on dropbox or similar would be another option < 1406404407 108487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that works out as < 1406404409 900164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarsnap's deduplication reduces prices a lot compared to what you might think, but sure. there are flat-rate providers and stuff < 1406404429 352038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :long-term archival storage has different priorities to a VPS anyway. you don't need instant access to it, you want it encrypted (and don't need the encryption keys in memory)... < 1406404438 371928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1406404468 431902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also just do non-cloud backup. < 1406404473 338489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with, like, actual physical objects. < 1406404511 355398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 GB Dropbox is 8.25 / month, Tarsnap is 25 USD / month for that (plus transfer). < 1406404521 499235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do that, but what if there is a fire? < 1406404562 527413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have other problems. but you can probably find somewhere to store a redundant copy. Or get Iron Mountain to put it in a cave somewhere. < 1406404569 189977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't really put my disk in a bank safe after every backup. That is way to inconvenient as it would involve driving to the city (20 km each way) < 1406404589 457014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember the deduplication effects when estimating tarsnap costs < 1406404603 313508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh come on, the risk of a fire that destroys your disks is low enough that you can do it every N backups instead :p < 1406404612 930513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1406404657 221140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is amazon glacier < 1406404660 612966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very cheap and very slow < 1406404669 669942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody knows how it work < 1406404670 105507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1406404681 353672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds worrying < 1406404708 137594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm 3-5 hours... So probably tape or such? < 1406404710 9787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either tape. or blu-rays. or something. < 1406404728 966080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://storagemojo.com/2014/04/25/amazons-glacier-secret-bdxl/ thinks the latter, but IIRC ex-amazon employees have hinted that it's tape? < 1406404759 385185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it makes more sense as tape IMO. Unless you use rewritable blurays I guess < 1406404846 417445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook store tons of things on blu-ray < 1406404854 175763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/why-facebook-thinks-blu-ray-discs-are-perfect-for-the-data-center/ < 1406404863 957642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/facebook-uses-10000-blu-ray-discs-to-create-petabytes-of-cold-storage/ < 1406404908 135911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1406404936 398861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder how that will work with the "remove all my account and every trace of it" stuff that is going on currently < 1406404957 758145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can throw away blu-rays. < 1406404982 184694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you're expected to delete accounts from backups though... < 1406404988 975001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1406405010 753635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah you can throw away blu-rays, but you would have to move all the other accounts on it elsewhere < 1406405016 63338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps you are right < 1406405086 515080 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406405129 478140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy-on-write is nothing new :P < 1406405175 709730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, as long as you don't need to delete accounts from backups too. Depends on what the EU law makers decides at this point I guess < 1406405245 10414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting links from search engine indices isn't anything like obliterating accounts. < 1406405259 785462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google are even still allowed to link to the pages, just not in conjunction with the search terms. < 1406405264 761443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's /more/ data stored, not less < 1406405269 477684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1406405478 661532 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1406405734 868979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could even purchase your own tape and do tape archives. < 1406405744 513850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not economical for low amounts of data though. < 1406405745 410905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1406405791 751714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah it is basically 1 TB or so across all my systems (for a full backup, add small incremental ones of a couple of GB on top of that) < 1406406546 110452 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1406406619 617194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.link is a TLD? How strange, wikipedia has no info on it < 1406406642 461460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia probably can't keep up with gTLDs these days. < 1406406648 688744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1406406655 312885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm serious. < 1406406658 305044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's tons and tons. < 1406406742 440029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1406406771 327907 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looking at gandi for a available domain name, and .link showed up in that list < 1406406786 102464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go for .xxx XD < 1406406813 39202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I found a nice .se one < 1406406835 994891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should name it after something you like < 1406406838 421398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, goats maybe < 1406406847 478771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1406406860 327375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I tried my family name, but good luck with that. < 1406406868 150987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not for anything that I want < 1406406898 460927 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406406965 106099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings < 1406407007 78687 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether there is a list linking those to registrants < 1406407011 173823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch < 1406407123 513291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want a domain name consisting entirely of "x" and a few dots? < 1406407139 444272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOPE X has such a domain name. < 1406407155 31130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxx is an existing TLD, of course < 1406407158 633167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :norlander.cancerresearch < 1406407212 525831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1406407256 141992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :an sTLD, hmm. < 1406407262 664189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird terminology. < 1406407263 427350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, getting this domain for several years is cheaper < 1406407276 106974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the question is, will I actually want it in 8 years from now? < 1406407317 998144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :domains do not cost enough for it to be worth caring about that. < 1406407336 219651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that depends on the TLD and the domain. I expect some are quite expensive < 1406407358 799469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ph is 48 EUR for 1 year for example, .se is 16 EUR for 1 year. For the same domain name here < 1406407371 818728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.rocks is 121 EUR < 1406407377 12820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is .rocks anyway < 1406407391 966033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 10 euros a month for .rock < 1406407404 173001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rocks < 1406407404 353367 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it is "landrush" which is apperently pre-ordering < 1406407405 61100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, a discount might be reasonable at that point < 1406407407 196542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't want .rocks < 1406407408 649866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess that explains it < 1406407408 964942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, landrush. < 1406407422 394366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still .ph is quite expensive < 1406407422 897161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, 16 eur? I suspect .se is less expensive from another registrar. < 1406407443 274104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm maybe, what other registrar is good then? < 1406407455 164520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a good registrar with DNSSEC < 1406407508 827959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. easyDNS, namecheap, name.com, dynadot. there's tons < 1406407523 785048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they good though? < 1406407557 692810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was listing bad registrars. what do you think? < 1406407580 864896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, easyDNS is actually more expensive than 16 eur, heh. < 1406407602 723946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably one of the most competent registrars though < 1406407607 372214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :godaddy is slightly cheaper, but I heard so much bad about them < 1406407625 16512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 14 EUR at godaddy < 1406407638 229137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't buy from godaddy. < 1406407647 972242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIV as a TLD, hmm. < 1406407659 272083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know, I just wanted to check what they would charge for some random .se < 1406407685 368120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :name.com is 24 EUR < 1406407717 399812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, 24 USD < 1406407720 656874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://my.personal.website/home/page.html < 1406407736 439373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So still more expensive < 1406407736 757670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the TLD exists) < 1406407768 247475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynadot doesn't do .se it seems < 1406407781 981759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :".website is the first true generic domain launched in the new era of the internet." come on, try harder. you want .internet for true genericity < 1406407804 872864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I guess you don't necessarily need to point a domain you've registered at something accessible on the internet? < 1406407817 465230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .domainname. < 1406407818 372130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would be true, although both .internet and .website are too long. < 1406407820 715377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how about .eu < 1406407830 509410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it isn't accessible on the internet, you don't need a TLD. < 1406407830 944918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's .domains, but...) < 1406407838 497121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but you still could. < 1406407850 943324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, in use < 1406407861 557314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe some RFC tells you to SHOULD NOT have a domain with only records pointing to stuff off the internet, but. < 1406407872 828845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, you can then use local addresses instead, if you are not using internet. < 1406407892 428281 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1406407925 828144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for generic you should instead use ".gen" for generic? < 1406407964 598023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. .nu is quite expensive ("nu" means "now" in Swedish, so you end up seeing it quite often, like .to for English speaking sites) < 1406408072 722079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's .foo and .bar (the latter probably went together with .pub though) < 1406408075 811589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think more pseudo-TLDs should be needed, such as .ipv4 to tell it always use IPv4 even if IPv6 is available, and .ipv6 to create a local IPv4 address which connects to a IPv6 so that it is usable in IPv4 only software (as well as IPv4 only operating systems, if .ipv6 is implemented in the router), and .option to set options for the connection. < 1406408112 28430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Hm this is weird, 1 and 2 years have the same price per year (16 EUR) then 3-10 all cost 13.6 EUR per year < 1406408134 548263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're probably counting on you to not bother doing division. < 1406408143 971643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1406408158 324092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason to go for more than 3 years would be if you expect prices to go up during that time < 1406408160 683746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is possible < 1406408175 104061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the volatile domain markets. < 1406408206 538708 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it? I don't know < 1406408213 923511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be useful to know if it is < 1406408214 129801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1406408240 137971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have other pseudo-TLDs too such as .tty and .usb and so on. < 1406408272 652965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.zip has been suggested somewhere < 1406408280 170789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it is gandi or the Swedish country registrar doing that stupid pricing model... < 1406408311 19020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at some of the other options...
< 1406408350 331529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :.link and .ninja: No discount at all. .fr doesn't allow anything but 1 year even < 1406408380 241566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm seems most of those that allow several years don't do discounts < 1406408479 381448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like (non-pseudo) TLDs for type of service, since that is what subdomains and port numbers are for, therefore ".website" is no good. < 1406408534 832202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think my ideas are better than the existing confusions? < 1406408542 328307 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406408555 332949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, .website is awful. < 1406408584 116681 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406408586 120334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I brought up .hiv because I imagine that it would be hard to market for personal use. < 1406408734 780326 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it belongs to an organisation called "dotHIV" and they write: "The new domain ending .hiv will bring new momentum to the fight against AIDS." < 1406408918 113310 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.zip is an awesome TLD for all these virus sites < 1406409185 328678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :.something < 1406409192 956912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also have about 2000 pending applications for gTLDs, .zip is one of them < 1406409269 5174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With such pseudo-TLDs to make up such things as telnet://778-555-1212.modem.tty/ and telnet://com2.tty/ and 9p://device1.usb/ and so on. < 1406409357 234110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if you are using operating system which uses "Peripheral Device Over Ethernet" and you want to use USB ports in the computer, then you would need a .usb pseudo-TLD for this purpose. < 1406409376 624963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they are not connected to the ethernet port! < 1406409455 521021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use different DNS record types. there are quite a few already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types < 1406409462 345922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for a pseudo TLD < 1406409662 740082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how using different DNS record types would help here. < 1406409683 6913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many contracts to read through, gah < 1406409933 44081 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1406410248 489442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1406410274 385262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I now own vorpal.se. Time to decide on a VPS < 1406410293 308974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpalse.cx < 1406410345 408652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1406410417 152509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, where is the DNS zone editor in this web GUI, since it is currently using gandi for the primary DNS server < 1406410501 386277 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1406410585 694058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, found it < 1406410596 910336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is quite a confusing interface < 1406410638 533555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1406410686 209210 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu PART :#esoteric < 1406410773 38862 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1406411148 551375 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406411179 22007 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1406411339 184876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : But it belongs to an organisation called "dotHIV" and they write: "The new domain ending .hiv will bring new momentum to the fight against AIDS." <-- doubtful that it will have any effect at all < 1406411686 380949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output of the dig command is quite obtuse < 1406411699 388859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell if it was a success or failure < 1406412188 79705 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406412817 495564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tilaa's SSD premium is/was quite a lot, I think. < 1406412829 855742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been looking at the backscroll.) < 1406412893 904657 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406412982 392963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a failure if it's missing an "ANSWER SECTION". < 1406413004 104931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the 'status:' field, but that's quite well-hidden in the headers.) < 1406413062 477731 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1406413270 739732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what authoritative dns server do you recommend? < 1406413355 114777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a recommendation, but personally I've been sticking with BIND. < 1406413862 431749 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-30-21.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1406414665 27463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1406414665 536565 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406414670 827267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah the crickets are so loud < 1406415007 111726 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1406415018 508357 :TieSoul-mobile!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1406415093 59361 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406415440 592215 :augur!~augur@73.163.157.101 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1406415683 216405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, what do you want, please? < 1406415920 938001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNSSEC with BIND can be slightly obscure. < 1406415978 242314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the 9.9 series adds inline signing. < 1406416035 184619 :atriq!~nathan@87.115.160.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1406416059 439873 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1406416086 873851 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1406416098 628053 :atriq!~nathan@87.115.160.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1406416424 349500 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1406416580 560281 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:edd6:152f:a7f6:a847 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1406416618 724958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i want to make json stuff over tcp with haskell. google said, i might use aeson. now i am in bytestring hell < 1406416879 893029 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not used to this larger monitor < 1406417083 575136 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:958b:f64a:64a9:da7c JOIN :#esoteric < 1406417256 46697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how large is it? < 1406417265 362634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 inches I think < 1406417273 989464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using one 24" and one 22" monitor atm < 1406417279 252998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both 16:10 < 1406417314 884837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work I have two 24" plus the built in 15" in the laptop in use at the same time < 1406417334 759031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how large monitors are you used to then? < 1406417343 139164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 inch I think < 1406417345 132014 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I find 24" a quite nice size < 1406417357 556388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, couldn't live with such a small monitor these days < 1406417817 877811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric