00:10:25 -!- not^v has joined. 00:14:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:44:25 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 00:46:46 -!- MoALTz has joined. 00:47:11 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:49:28 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:52:19 -!- Guest5662 has joined. 00:53:51 Helloo 00:53:56 :-D 00:55:53 hola 00:55:59 -!- not^v has changed nick to ^4. 00:56:33 hola que hacen' 00:56:34 ? 00:57:20 -!- shubshub has joined. 00:57:20 si 00:57:45 ? que hacen? 00:57:58 si 00:57:59 -!- shubshub has quit (Client Quit). 00:58:12 porque dices si? 00:59:00 mi aerodeslizador es lleno de anguilas 00:59:24 :-Xque es esoooo????>:o 01:00:03 No sé lo que estoy haciendo. Yo ni siquiera sé español 01:00:46 a ok jajajaja 01:01:26 bueno que importa jajaja, pero como estas escribiendo español si no sabes ?=-O 01:02:20 https://translate.google.com/ 01:02:54 -!- prator has joined. 01:03:04 amm ok 01:03:14 pero quisieras hablar español conmigo?? 01:03:25 ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) 01:04:45 osea que no puedo estar en este grupo? :'( 01:06:01 Es posible, pero la mayoría de nosotros va a no entender si usted no habla Inglés. 01:06:09 -!- brrr has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:07:33 pero no pueden usar traductor? 01:08:13 es que todos los grupos estan en ingles :-/ 01:09:57 Es difícil hacerlo, porque tenemos que copiar y pegar todo en el traductor de google y viceversa. 01:10:34 de donde eres? 01:12:04 Estoy en Noruega. Otros de aquí son en su mayoría de América del Norte o Europa. 01:12:44 y los de europa hablan español :) 01:12:56 cuantos años tienes? 01:13:45 Realmente no hablo español, estoy utilizando Google ahora. 01:14:02 pero sabes algo de español? 01:17:22 No mucho. También es muy tarde y yo debería ir a la cama. 01:17:57 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Buenas noches). 01:18:54 -!- Guest5662 has left. 01:23:33 -!- edwardk has joined. 01:24:15 http://xorshammer.com/2011/07/09/a-logical-interpretation-of-some-bits-of-topology/ neat. 01:32:07 -!- ^4 has quit (Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif). 01:45:40 Bike: have you seen http://paultaylor.eu/ASD/ 01:45:52 I hear weed is legal where you are so maybe you can even understand it 01:46:08 they only opened a store like last week, it's dumb 01:46:15 my dad was trying to sell t-shirts celebrating it 01:46:41 this has a lot of italics. is it insane 01:47:18 -!- prator has changed nick to brrr. 01:48:06 brrr: are you cold 01:48:18 sometimes 01:54:32 http://pastie.org/9404065 01:54:42 Blah 01:55:19 Corrected version: http://codepad.org/Dt2Kssap 03:08:44 -!- Sorella has quit (Quit: It is tiem!). 03:11:03 A quiz predicts I am "84% Sitakaliist" (82 percentile). 04:05:35 -!- ^4 has joined. 04:08:09 -!- ^4 has quit (Client Quit). 04:31:13 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep). 05:12:25 -!- ds84182 has left ("Leaving"). 05:36:25 -!- Patashu has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:36:37 -!- Patashu has joined. 05:40:48 One commenter doesn't believe that arbitrary disjunctions of semi-decidable predicates is semidecidable. But, can't you run programs like: First run one step of the first program, and then run one step of the first two programs, and then run one step of the first three programs, and then run one step of the first four programs. 05:48:15 -!- ^v has changed nick to ^4. 05:52:37 -!- aloril_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:02:44 zzo38: http://lpaste.net/107738 06:05:40 -!- aloril_ has joined. 06:07:41 copumpkin: I do not know what all of those things mean. 06:10:20 oh, when you say arbitrary disjunctions, do you mean more than binary disjunctions? 06:10:35 I just proved the binary case there, not sure if it works for infinite ones 06:11:20 The part "[doesn't] believe that arbitrary disjunctions of semi-decidable predicates is semidecidable" is a quotation. 06:19:54 So, it isn't me who meant something by it. 06:36:23 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:37:16 -!- MoALTz has joined. 07:10:35 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 07:11:30 -!- drdanmaku has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:13:12 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 07:22:24 -!- brrr has quit (Quit: Cya!). 07:33:58 -!- conehead has joined. 07:48:00 -!- conehead has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:48:01 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 07:59:48 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 08:10:54 -!- Lorenzo64 has joined. 08:41:31 ion: hion 08:41:57 -!- augur_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:47:46 shachaf: hachaf 08:48:28 how sitakaliist are you 08:49:00 so what do "puhu" and "puhun" mean 08:55:14 -!- augur has joined. 08:57:03 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:57:58 “puhu” is a command to talk, “puhun” is “I talk” or “I am talking”. 08:58:06 puhua is the basic form. 08:58:11 “to talk” 08:58:20 what about "en puhu" 08:58:37 “I don’t talk” or “I won’t talk” 08:58:51 where does the “I” come from 08:59:49 i guess that one isn't very hard 08:59:54 From the way "en" is inflected. 08:59:58 The -n inflection 09:00:04 In both cases 09:00:13 is "en" a form of "ea" 09:00:17 ei 09:00:32 (no/not) 09:00:43 is it just special 09:01:40 en puhu, et puhu, ei puhu; emme puhu, ette puhu, eivät puhu: (I) don't speak, (you, singular) don't speak, (he/she/it) doesn't speak; (we) don't speak, (you, plural) don't speak; (they) don't speak. 09:02:12 Or puhun, puhut, puhuu; puhumme, puhutte, puhuvat for the non-negated version. 09:02:26 You can SEE the PATTERNS. 09:02:39 IT’S FULL OF INFLECTIONS 09:02:47 eivät? 09:02:59 but puhuvat? 09:03:41 vowel harmony something? 09:03:42 ua is easier to say than uä, iä is kind of easier than ia 09:03:58 Sounds better. Usually it's from vowel harmony, but "ei" technically doesn't need it. 09:04:24 The groups are [aou] and [äöy], with [ei] being somewhat neutral. 09:04:58 But e.g. puhuvat (they speak) vs. hyppivät (they leap). 09:05:19 u-a and y-ä. 09:05:38 Perhaps more "jump" than "leap". Anyway. 09:05:41 v. complicated 09:05:57 hyppi- is similar to the swedish word for jump (hoppa) 09:06:07 what's a good way to answer these sorts of questions without bugging people on irc 09:07:51 Get a net, come to Finland, catch a native Finnish speaker and keep it in your basement. 09:07:59 Just remember to give it some water and food. 09:08:10 i lack a basement 09:08:29 Then perhaps some sort of a cage, I don't know. 09:08:40 sounds like a good plan 09:09:03 what size of cage should you get for a finn? what do they eat? 09:09:40 olsner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_cuisine 09:09:55 The famous Finnish cuisine. 09:10:11 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:10:47 I don't suppose most people really think about which vowels there are and so on, since the right choice is almost always the one that "sounds right". 09:10:51 i have several finnish cuisines 09:11:12 and even more second cuisines 09:13:54 if you wrote y as the vowel groups would be even more regular 09:15:43 To the best of my knowledge, the thing in Finnish is considered vowel harmony. 09:19:42 fizzie: hm are you volunteering 09:20:11 or is that not how nets work 09:23:28 -!- TieSoul has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:23:29 -!- TieSoul_ has joined. 09:29:29 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:53:13 fizzie: how about "olet" vs. "olette" 09:53:16 or is it "olet te" 09:54:41 second person plural of some verb? 09:55:20 *first vs second person 09:55:45 eh, wrong again, I meant singular/plural 10:04:35 -!- Patashu has quit (Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .). 10:05:57 What olsner says. 10:06:16 "you (singular) are" vs. "you (plural) are". 10:07:22 sinä olet shachaf 10:07:25 te olette #esoteric 10:07:53 aha 10:08:13 malagassy has two "we", one with the person you talk to and one without 10:08:15 With the personal pronouns (sinä, te) completely optional. 10:08:24 but "te" can also be a formal/polite version of "sinä"? 10:08:39 Yes. ("Teitittely".) 10:09:09 In a decline, I'd say. 10:09:23 myname: Practically everything south-east Asian does. 10:10:53 oletteko #esoteric? 10:11:49 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:12:38 puhutteko suomea? 10:12:45 hebrew has some of this pronoun-dropping thing 10:12:50 Did English have teitittely when thou/ye were distinct? 10:13:18 yes 10:47:49 -!- oerjan has joined. 10:53:59 -!- conehead has joined. 10:59:32 ^ord � 10:59:32 239 191 189 10:59:51 ^ord � 10:59:51 239 191 189 11:00:25 olsner: your unicode is showing up as replacement character hth 11:00:39 in the logs, at least 11:02:42 i think this is the second time i've noticed this, except i'm not sure it was olsner the other time. 11:02:49 whichnicode 11:03:02 if you wrote y as � the vowel groups would be even more regular 11:03:15 02:13 if you wrote y as ü the vowel groups would be even more regular 11:03:27 huh interesting. 11:03:41 i bet it has to do with that weird irc encoding 11:03:45 because it shows up wrong in both codu and tunes. 11:04:05 which uses iso-8859-1 if everything in a line can be encoded that way 11:04:08 and otherwise uses utf-8 11:04:31 i think xchat does that by default? 11:04:35 apparently olsner's irc client is gnu sed 11:04:45 you'd think so, but manually changing the encoding of the log page did not help 11:05:06 oh hm 11:05:12 let me check tunes for that 11:05:37 oh tunes has it "right" 11:05:56 olsner: fix your irc client hth 11:05:59 so codu has started replacing iso-8859-1 with unicode replacement characters. 11:07:44 it's like we're in the gregorcalypse 11:08:17 shachaf: any day now 11:10:32 -!- Patashu has joined. 11:10:34 hm the raw codu log also keeps the ü 11:10:46 -!- augur has joined. 11:11:10 perhaps it's always been like this but i've only noticed since i started using the nicely formatted log version 11:12:01 yep, both .txt and -raw.txt have the ü 11:12:39 does this ü work better? 11:13:09 yep! 11:15:35 -!- conehead has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:30:38 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:32:53 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 11:38:36 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:01:28 http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/2b3tyx/computing_with_graphs/ 12:03:12 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:05:09 -!- conehead has joined. 12:26:24 is that, like, eodermdrome? 12:31:15 I don't know, I'm not familiar with Eodermdrome 12:40:21 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 12:56:44 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:59:00 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:59:39 -!- MoALTz has joined. 14:13:17 hey 14:13:22 ho 14:13:30 is everything back online yet 14:14:30 Not as such, no. 14:14:41 sucks 14:14:48 By which I mean a plain no. 14:15:24 It would help to get some sort of sign of life out of Gregor "idle for 5 days" Gregor. 14:15:44 fizzie: how many bitcoins would it take for you to put that XML dump on a read-only mediawiki install and point esolangs.org at it? 14:16:13 n.b. actual payment unlikely 14:17:43 I might do it for free tomorrow. 14:18:13 (Also I have a full mirror from April, I could use that.) 14:18:29 that's some odd time discounting. 14:18:39 fizzie: well, the XML dumps are actually rather complete 14:18:47 they have all pages and files and revisions 14:19:08 pretty much all you need on top of that is things like users and bans 14:19:14 not sure if it tracks protection or not 14:19:53 I guess, but I don't know how to use them. But perhaps I could get the mirror-installation up and running, and then import the dump on top of that. If that is a thing that's done. 14:20:31 his last name is richards iirc 14:20:57 no, GregorR = Gregor gRegor 14:21:05 fizzie: you just set up MW and then upload it to Special:Import through a browser 14:21:16 newtype Gregor = Gregor Gregor 14:21:20 Gregor of Erebor. 14:22:05 copy MW, use the command-line installer thing, copy whatever backup of LocalSettings you have, put $wgReadOnly in there, import the pages, run the cache generation script (optional), done 14:22:18 I guess you can import on top of a mirror, maybe 14:22:28 you might want to clear out the pages/files tables first 14:22:45 I sort of think having it be editable would be bad though, since all the edits would get lost whenever 'Regor wakes up. 14:23:19 Well. I'll attempt this tomorrow, or later today if I feel especially vigorous. 14:24:44 thought: you could distribute PGP-encrypted daily database dumps so you can restore users etc. without any privacy risk in future :) 14:24:53 not sure how big they'd be compressed, though 14:28:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:34:17 -!- Sorella has joined. 14:35:07 -!- boily has joined. 14:40:13 Taneb: you have been followed up hth http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/ 14:40:40 too bad he'll never know 14:42:15 -!- ^4 has changed nick to troll_detector. 14:42:46 -!- troll_detector has changed nick to ^v. 14:45:59 mezzacotta still updates? 14:48:01 hmm 14:48:25 we're actually only a month away from when the garfield [something that sounds like minus] garfield apocalypse would have been 14:49:34 ooh. 14:49:40 Phantom_Hoover: I've... forgotten what this is about 14:50:14 also, the people in the forum are planning a special for sromg 1978(?)-2014 14:50:59 (basically, have each comic be based on the anniversary garfield comic from that year) 14:51:07 elliott, well they had a ton of strips on that formula until dmm put a stop to it by riffing on terminator 2 14:51:20 sromg? SCSI Read-only Oh My God? 14:51:31 square root of minus garfield 14:52:50 scrotum renovation: only massive genitalia 14:53:14 for once, I am more scared of elliott than oerjan. today is going to be an interesting day... 14:53:39 aw c'mon. I'm plenty scary! 14:53:53 oerjan's p. scary though 14:53:55 he's norwegian 14:54:09 you're from the fucking south 14:54:16 anyway, sromg is going around nicely, dmm has a huge backlog of submissions which is growing. 14:54:54 mezzacotta itself is of course autogenerated, and as bad as ever. 14:55:08 lightning made of owls is barely hanging on. 14:55:35 awkward fumbles was essentially dead, but has had a couple recently. 14:56:28 elliott: http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=625 14:56:38 making the one-trick pony markov comic the flagship of mezzacotta seems shortsighted in retrospect 14:56:40 -!- vifino has joined. 14:56:53 if you look at the titles in the archive before that day, you can see how bad the meme had got 14:57:02 right, I do remember this. 14:58:31 that strip is a masterpiece 15:07:25 -!- boily has quit (Quit: POLYCHORON CHICKEN). 15:07:55 i calculate sromg 1928 will be on the prophesized date 15:08:15 -!- aloril_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:08:49 i assume dmm has long since queued comics beyond that. 15:09:43 -!- aloril has joined. 15:10:29 i am not sure whether to correct the misspelling or revel in it. 15:17:37 -!- edwardk has joined. 15:25:54 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Fleeing the noise again). 15:31:57 -!- fowl has quit (Quit: goodbye, cruel server). 15:36:10 -!- fowl has joined. 15:47:43 -!- edwardk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:19:49 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 16:22:45 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 16:27:33 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:33:55 What meme? 16:36:33 -!- drdanmaku has joined. 16:41:46 Variations on the "The world is constantly changing" Garfield strip. 16:43:17 http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=603 seems to be a particularly unfunny one to me 17:15:09 what is the most unfunny comic strip ever? 17:22:40 very likely garfield 17:23:34 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br0FAXbIQAAyIjg.jpg:large now, now, there are many other contenders 17:25:55 Why don't you store raw logs as actual raw data instead of converting? Sometimes (but rarely) it is posting something which is neither ISO-8859-1 nor UTF-8. Someone once posted something using Russian encoding. 18:11:07 -!- Lorenzo64 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:17:42 -!- nortti has changed nick to lawspeaker. 18:18:08 -!- lawspeaker has changed nick to nortti. 18:32:20 -!- nortti has changed nick to minirtti. 18:32:34 -!- minirtti has changed nick to nortti. 19:08:51 wow, wikipedia's page on CTCP is so incomplete 19:11:58 zzo38: are you sure that the raw logs (on codu) are decoded in any way? they look pretty raw to me, with some prefix added on each line. 19:14:39 they are filtered per channel 19:19:58 int-e: I don't know but it is something someone mentioned above. 19:20:22 elliott: Yes, although I think also ones that aren't filtered by channel are also available, it look like. 19:20:38 -!- brrr has joined. 19:21:41 Ruby, you see something using .each and want your own objects to implement it, it's 'obvious' that you just define each for your own class. Python, you see for ... in ... and want to write your own that supports it, you need to check the documentation to see that you need to define __iter__ 19:28:23 have we really gotten to this point, Sgeo 19:28:37 ruby vs. python, which one is more obvious 19:50:54 -!- nooodl has joined. 19:51:19 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 20:13:39 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:13:54 -!- ilmyrn has joined. 20:14:34 -!- Lorenzo64 has joined. 20:15:46 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 20:15:58 -!- FreeFull has joined. 20:21:43 Running importDump.php now. 20:22:10 Forgot to give the --report option, no idea how long it'll take. 20:24:14 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 20:24:34 -!- idris-bot has joined. 20:27:02 Well, based on a "select count(*) from revision;" in another terminal, it's importing at a blinding speed of 1 revision/second. 20:27:41 The dump has 32535 revisions in it. 20:28:01 So it'll be ready in just nine short hours. 20:28:17 What date is this dump from? 20:29:55 It's not very new, it's from April 21st. But it's only for a temporary read-only copy so that people have something to look at, while we're waiting to get the real one back up. (And only after that think about maybe moving it.) 20:30:05 OK 20:30:08 -!- ilmyrn has left. 20:30:53 -!- ^v has changed nick to uberasic. 20:30:56 -!- uberasic has changed nick to ^v. 20:31:24 the XML dump is from the last day the server was up, btw 20:32:23 You mean that is somewhere? 20:34:02 Because I haven't downloaded it, but if someone has, I could restore from that instead. 20:52:38 If I have a nine-bit value and want to convert so that the high four bits (one of which is in a separate register) are converted into the value that bit7 copies bit3, what is the fastest way to do that in a 6502 code without using up too much ROM/RAM space? 20:58:56 Currently I have the following twenty cycle code: LDX fizzie: I gave you a link 21:10:31 yesterday 21:10:36 23:37:29 fizzie: http://eso.mroman.ch/log2.txt http://eso.mroman.ch/wikidump/ 21:10:53 Well, did you also expect me to pay attention? 21:10:55 oh, it's... gone?? 21:10:59 I downloaded it but deleted it 21:11:01 mroman? 21:11:36 For the record, the thing has restored 25 pages, at a speed of 0.01 pages/sec, 1.24 revs/sec. 21:12:09 zzo38: does this work? LDA Evening 21:14:47 int-e: AND 0xF is clearly wrong. 21:15:23 Since, it clears the high bit. 21:15:34 zzo38: I could not parse your specification and you did not give us the contents of the PCDECOD table 21:16:00 int-e: The contents are $00 followed by $88 21:16:38 -!- impomatic_ has joined. 21:16:58 I see. 21:22:01 and there is no ASR. inconvenient. 21:32:34 zzo38: ok, I can't improve your code without going crazy with lookup tables (a 256 entries table for shifting to the right by 5 would do the trick, of course) 21:43:06 int-e: I know; I thought of that! 21:43:22 I also thought of using PHP and PLP somehow, but as it turns out that doesn't help either. 21:43:39 But I think someone else has finally told me an answer that is working OK. 22:01:13 -!- vifino has quit (Quit: Ze Cat now leaves...). 22:06:56 -!- Patashu has joined. 22:08:10 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:11:14 530 (0.10 pages/sec 1.98 revs/sec) fast as molasses 22:26:41 -!- edwardk has joined. 22:26:58 Is the statement "There are infinitely many rational numbers between any two different real numbers" true? 22:27:54 yeh 22:28:04 Sweet 22:39:12 -!- Patashu_ has joined. 22:39:12 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 22:44:39 Do you know if on a 6502 if the RTS instruction runs and the data popped from the stack is $FFFF, will the program continue at address zero? 22:46:54 No 22:52:17 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:54:52 zzo38: i would assume so 22:57:02 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 23:00:58 "If two or more threads use the catch_warnings context manager at the same time, the behavior is undefined." 23:01:00 * Sgeo sighs 23:11:32 Why don't you store raw logs as actual raw data instead of converting? Sometimes (but rarely) it is posting something which is neither ISO-8859-1 nor UTF-8. Someone once posted something using Russian encoding. <-- they are, but the formatted version *usually* looks better to me, but it has this problem. 23:12:00 Then they should fix it so that when converting raw to formatted, it will correct it! 23:12:32 (This should probably be done both for formatted plaintext and for HTML.) 23:13:19 well the formatted plaintext doesn't do any conversion. 23:13:33 so i can change encoding in the browser for that. 23:14:47 but it has the problem with lines not wrapping in my browser, which is usually more irritating. 23:15:22 and we're currently waiting for a chance to get Gregor to fix _anything_. 23:15:41 6 days idle, now. 23:15:54 at least he has a stable irc connection. 23:20:41 1939 (0.20 pages/sec 2.47 revs/sec) 23:20:52 Perhaps tomorrow we shall have a read-only wiki. 23:25:23 fizzie: great! then people will pester you to fix stuff in it by directly messing with the database, because normal edit won't yet work 23:27:27 i suspect that will not be a big problem. 23:28:21 Then you can discuss edits in the IRC, and since it is logged, then if any such edits do need to be made they can be made afterward. 23:31:37 is there an esolang yet whose goal is to make it easier to write programs that edit the esolang wiki entry for that same language? 23:32:14 possibly one that's restricted so editing that wiki entry is, in some way, the only thing programs in that language can do? 23:34:17 Has anyone tried the K framework? 23:34:22 I might start watching the tutorials 23:34:47 ( with Vect sequence [[1,2],[3,4]] 23:34:48 [[1, 3], [2, 4]] : Vect 2 (Vect 2 Integer) 23:45:39 ff weather forecast going ballistic again 23:46:47 I have found that Infocom's Z-machine interpreter for Commodore 64 takes 30 cycles to read one byte from the PC; my own interpreter for Famicom takes only 19 cycles. This is what time it usually takes; it can be longer. 23:48:55 My program is 25 cycles in worse case; their program is over 70 cycles in worse case. 23:57:25 zzo38: how does input work 23:57:36 playing zork on a nes controller sounds painful 23:57:55 nooodl: It is using the keyboard. 23:58:15 oh right! that's a thing 23:58:19 The Famicom does have a keyboard, although it is not hardwired like the gamepads are.