< 1405209638 623951 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you mutate the slice by a similar method itself < 1405209648 154767 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo"["fo"]["f"] = "g" < 1405209660 281008 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it become goo? < 1405209662 460603 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "abababab"["abab"] = "baba" do. < 1405209680 922320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, finish story!! < 1405209693 775729 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after the trauma the distribution changed < 1405209713 138571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it < 1405209714 978479 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Doesn't work because foo["fo"] returns a copy of the string. < 1405209720 112130 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i wrote, if that's what you mean < 1405209741 560730 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when you subsequently slice ["f"] and assign to it you mutate the copy, which is immediately discarded. < 1405209743 642994 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how closely i am expected to summarize twenty thirty year old pages < 1405209750 144464 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the thing that imperative languages used to find more comfortable than Haskell isn't actually that more comfortable in Ruby < 1405209750 324841 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to people who don't really have any reason to care < 1405209789 927329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed it was going somewhere from the general drive < 1405209803 5722 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. mostly 108 dB for two hours is more or less torture < 1405209827 385771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly I feel more ethical < 1405209835 726934 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norns aren't conscious as far as we know < 1405209846 275522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"neither are cats, so it's cool" < 1405209852 304580 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Replaces the first occurrence. < 1405209856 488663 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ethics hadn't been invented yet, so it's fine < 1405209903 404546 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works a lot like Python's slice syntax, in theory. Like, you can do a[1:3] = [4,5,6]. < 1405209917 752286 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :String and regex slices return the span of their first match. < 1405209957 731136 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting to think one of the big problems with mutation is it gives too much choice. Choice whether to return copy, original thing, choice what elements or subelements of a thing are mutable or not < 1405209959 386048 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: that is so boring :( < 1405209973 410354 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas with immutability everywhere, the API design is forced on you in that respect < 1405210145 755111 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Ruby's the wrong language to look at if I want 'constrains API design to make it easier and make people more likely to make idiomatic APIs' < 1405210244 656484 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby does have the convention of "!" methods versus non-"!" methods. < 1405210273 320868 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So String#gsub! changes the original string and String#gsub returns a copy. < 1405210513 5988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now I got Lemon to be able to parse the grammar G6 if a %split_states command is specified. < 1405210525 719126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the book more carefully and now I did it. < 1405211181 232734 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1405211283 335545 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1405211438 773173 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1405211967 115626 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :help. I just played a few games of Android Netrunner against the Pouti and I want more! < 1405212345 356060 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pouti? < 1405212488 182352 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HACKEGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! < 1405212512 459746 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my brother. he was in the chännel a few times. you can get some infos on him in the Infamous PDF. < 1405212543 946482 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1405213223 92355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TcpSocket and SslSocket do not name their read and write methods the same thing." < 1405213240 397348 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing this sort of thing wasn't magically fixed in Ruby 2.0? This blog post was written in 2013 < 1405213584 767126 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405214158 406334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405214647 636250 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :website is down? < 1405214735 220056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1405214737 499447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Gregor: < 1405214976 609867 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not responding to SSH either. < 1405214977 928739 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll send it a hard reboot. < 1405215172 481352 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the admin panel's down. < 1405215174 310533 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk. < 1405215189 102693 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloudatcost: Pay zero per month, get what you pay for. < 1405215211 471752 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr: heheh < 1405215250 742662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad luck :\ < 1405215253 951394 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1405215302 771834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, right, I saw a thing about everyone's cloudatcost vpses going down < 1405215321 255598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...esolangs.org is on cloudatcost? < 1405215454 471465 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey I have a cloudatcost account < 1405215463 871277 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use it. When CloudAtCost is stable again < 1405215524 667672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"when" < 1405215725 483779 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could just look for another host < 1405216794 376655 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405217001 963957 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could always use the cached versions < 1405217573 109098 :warrigal2!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405218089 919721 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: IMMOBILE CHICKEN < 1405218685 963831 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405218724 175745 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1405218933 903560 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-22-85.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405219789 53371 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you’re using Rails and you want to be secure, you should be protecting against mass assignment. Basically, without declaring attr_accessible or attr_protected, malicious users can set any column value in your database, including foreign keys and secure data." < 1405219804 847919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not do the opposite, attr_assignable or something? < 1405219821 750689 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this sort of thinking a major part of Ruby culture? That's scary < 1405220191 778729 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that during the battle of stalingrad, ten thousand people died per day, including many civilians of starvation < 1405220695 320038 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, reminds me of some class vs struct C++ debates < 1405220812 532047 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, struct default visibility is public, class default visibility is private) < 1405221145 521330 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1405221189 479047 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405222658 562094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least in C it would seem to make more sense to put the public members first, although I don't know how it works in C++. < 1405223078 683807 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405223253 969751 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405223282 209137 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1405223445 647181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Scream Tracker file in my computer where one instrument is labeled "* Hit Alt-V Here (in ST3) *". I don't have ST3, but looking at the waveform it is clearly an ASCII text file encoded as signed data. However, looking in a hex editor it contains unsigned sample data; doing a sign conversion I was able to read it. < 1405223463 753473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, why is it done like this, the text is encoded as signed data even though the file is unsigned? < 1405223506 447348 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting waveforms in ascii sounds weird < 1405223532 151510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean one of the instrument data is actually a ASCII text file rather than audio data. < 1405223582 302568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But from looking at the waveform, it is clear that it is ASCII data. However, somehow it got mixed up due to sign converison; I don't know why? < 1405224114 919022 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405224115 139335 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1405224115 139463 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1405225727 242469 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Ruby's begin like Scheme's begin? < 1405225803 779842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1405225882 172957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult might it be to make something in a C compiler so that you can write: if(__builtin_optimize_fork()) x=4; and then it causes undefined behaviour if x is nonvolatile and its value is not four, at this point in the program? < 1405226051 530351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby begin is special. < 1405226703 195059 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-97.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405227258 239995 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1405227272 858702 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1405227337 195911 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1405227580 199889 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-97.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405227805 610483 :warrigal2!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405228131 76658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1405229562 995036 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^3 < 1405229901 144743 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, begin is a try block < 1405229918 654472 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :er its like try{}catch{} in other languages < 1405229941 297885 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why did I see source code that didn't use it like tht? < 1405229967 388992 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also =begin/=end block comments < 1405229971 447759 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/sinatra/sinatra/blob/master/lib/sinatra/base.rb#L24 < 1405230065 649343 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not needed there < 1405230143 773973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle: what does "begin ... end while ..." mean < 1405230209 414853 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, thats a postfix while condition :) < 1405230242 951185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an answer. < 1405230263 514038 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts("empty the trash") while File.exists?("~/.trash") < 1405230337 798091 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :(print "."; sleep 1) while true < 1405230347 894301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: "begin foo end while bar" isn't the same as "foo while bar" < 1405230375 719205 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :whys that < 1405230405 452993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you even here anyway < 1405230407 66597 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin/end, foo, they're just expressions < 1405230464 189955 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sent from the future to give you a note but you aren't getting it now < 1405231717 677457 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405234879 890148 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405236106 187335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1405237532 213896 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1405238761 204878 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405238761 423961 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1405239243 588661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405239249 586262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is back.) < 1405239266 538106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hug < 1405239274 796533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL... < 1405239281 417272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1405239370 460042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up. < 1405239371 525649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site got back up a while ago < 1405239376 455616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just mean hackego < 1405239411 563888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hug: not found < 1405239456 508317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SnailEgo < 1405239485 10244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was exceedingly slow. < 1405239503 715574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird, since my SSH connection is working normally. < 1405239679 69273 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Quit: Cya! < 1405240125 548624 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405240665 941409 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405240953 167732 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1405241068 204462 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405241688 907800 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@81.164.41.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405242781 377298 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405243769 949142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1405243777 410122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1405243778 237307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1405243795 905465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think the wiki link may be broken < 1405244012 80737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean the IRC announcement thing? < 1405244041 583576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1405244044 359937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1405244055 577128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be correct. < 1405244056 570054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* fizzie < 1405244102 236244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i added your name to the Ligature Machine article < 1405244109 722775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have possibly restarted it. < 1405244115 321183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll see if it helped. < 1405244215 450182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg being helpful: "[output stream 0:0 @ 0x3ad1120] 100 buffers queued in output stream 0:0, something may be wrong." < 1405244950 380317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ligature Machine14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40139&oldid=40138 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Commutative Ligature Machine */ fursur a misspelling < 1405245346 231942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbrain14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40140&oldid=40114 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+10) 10I'd like to boldly underscore that alain turning never capitalized his name < 1405245757 207901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40141&oldid=40136 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+31) 10bold, author, spacing < 1405245766 689372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it a'works. < 1405245781 314439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whodathunk < 1405245942 263113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meander14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40142&oldid=40121 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Implementation */ more wikified < 1405246086 960279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meander/Implementation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40143&oldid=40122 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+35) 10author, backlink < 1405246147 995500 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish/Implementation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40144&oldid=40127 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10backlink < 1405246321 957794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there names for foldl (-) and foldl (/)? < 1405246332 966212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl (+) is sum and foldl (*) is product < 1405246340 816028 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's foldl (-) / foldl (/) called? < 1405246364 859437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather silly < 1405246389 256733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're basically summing all but the first element and then subtracting from the first < 1405246396 38460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1405246403 466114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with foldl1 < 1405246403 943152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtracting everything from the first < 1405246428 555699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically foldl (-) x l == x - sum l < 1405246430 385963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1405246456 487984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not immensely useful < 1405246469 281296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and foldl (/) is the same for product < 1405246523 976432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody has given those a useful name < 1405246524 277431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were foldr you would at least be alternating. but also blowing stack. < 1405246584 828286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, sum and product are useful because (+) and (*) are monoid operations < 1405246595 812067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (-) and (/) are not < 1405246610 548560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fold < 1405246611 468206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monoid m, Foldable t) => t m -> m < 1405246787 628821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this apartment complex is having a meeting to establish house rules. despite my hopeless sleeping cycle i am slightly tempted to go just to _ensure_ the paragraph about not letting your animals annoy the neighbors gets passed exactly as it's in the draft. < 1405246810 552656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: that bloody dog) < 1405246914 443663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1405248178 368367 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1405248178 619064 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405248500 415293 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1405249269 893967 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405249315 319942 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405249479 171865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1405249495 963939 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405249625 361873 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405249700 197934 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405249889 184474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40145&oldid=40130 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+8) 10/* Sample programs */ I'll just subtract these links from ehird's payment < 1405250108 773456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: give me and oerjan bitcoins < 1405250284 664887 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want btc too < 1405250300 652503 :vifino!~vifino@e180180255.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1405250341 263797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't do valuable wiki edits, sorry < 1405250641 671683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Spacechem Programming Language14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40146&oldid=40132 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+16) 10To boldly stub < 1405250676 927752 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405250724 191816 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405250756 981241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taworvor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40147&oldid=40135 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+44) 10boldly stub the author < 1405250916 328633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RCEM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40148&oldid=19979 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-8) 10boldly follow policy < 1405251072 312535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RCEM14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40149&oldid=40148 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-12) 10unsanctioned sectioning < 1405251079 630632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07X plus plus14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40150&oldid=37906 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-7) 10boldly dis-secting < 1405251142 237914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is taking bloody long to reload the pages < 1405251157 515763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it's running on a $0/month vps < 1405251178 532539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1405251241 790885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is php fpm having problems? < 1405251244 653295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting gateway timeout errors < 1405251262 852822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the cache and everything is still working :) < 1405251264 951108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whatever let it just keep those extraneous blank lines < 1405251301 487452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um... http://esolangs.org/wiki/X%2B%2B http://esolangs.org/wiki/X_plus_plus < 1405251327 449286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, I need to do a history merge. < 1405251384 965282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose me dos'ing the wiki with my customary self-diff check doesn't help. < 1405251394 662256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10deleted "[[02X++10]]": Deleted to make way for move from "[[X plus plus]]" < 1405251398 374689 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10moved [[02X plus plus10]] to [[X++]]: shfoop < 1405251419 684311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs at the slowness
< 1405251440 598271 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1405251468 37840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10moved [[02Talk:X plus plus10]] to [[Talk:X++]]: shfoop < 1405251468 505102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, did that move fail? < 1405251480 593727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1405251482 594333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just really, really slow < 1405251495 208459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my diffs loaded, anyway < 1405251509 749273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10restored "[[02X++10]]": 3 revisions restored: bop < 1405251557 553568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool messed up history now < 1405251742 343592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek that it is < 1405251770 536186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably I could have just moved X++ to X++/crap or something < 1405251774 899319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to figure out how to do that move if you want :) < 1405251855 917448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you saying _both_ pages existed and neither was a redirect? :( < 1405251881 679184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure my edit did not do all this http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=X%2B%2B&diff=40150&oldid=38198 < 1405251886 976368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. hence the um < 1405251901 517852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird diffs result from mediawiki having a linear view of history. < 1405251910 647867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just see the diff to the previous chronological edit < 1405252015 599718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the history can be split again if you really care < 1405252021 244432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sort of seems a fitting punishment for an article this bad < 1405252026 48184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can of course diff the right two revisions manually < 1405252029 720034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the article isn't bad < 1405252033 604885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the state of having two of them was. < 1405252328 836769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like hard to tell what _happened_ with the histories merged, you know. < 1405252426 845867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :history splits look like a pain thouuuugh < 1405252437 267687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just re-delete the revisions from the old article. < 1405252460 216128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been up for about 24 hours, I can't deal with more than one finnicky mediawiki thing < 1405252471 358274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i have to find which ones that _are_ before doing it. sheesh. < 1405252526 11549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although can i assume the messages above mean the old article only had three revisions? < 1405252570 135289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nod
< 1405252647 671250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 revision10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10Oerjan changed visibility of revisions on page [[02X++10]]: Leftover revisions from botched history merge < 1405252674 133946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the history merged wasn't botched! < 1405252678 903727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just didn't like it :P < 1405252684 370127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1405252693 153085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, change visibility is wrong < 1405252702 64501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's used for hiding things like offensive edits and personal information < 1405252714 462041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's wikipedia's "oversight" role) < 1405252716 127944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so what _do_ i do. < 1405252723 982677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay okay I'll do it < 1405252727 152079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you owe me some bitcoins, okay? < 1405252746 361167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have the ones quintopia owes me < 1405252748 48175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for future reference you go into delete < 1405252751 238412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can go per-revision < 1405252759 320136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh < 1405252761 496943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck how does it work < 1405252769 711688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you might have to delete the whole page and then restore the ones you want (sigh) < 1405252799 687616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 revision10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10Ehird changed visibility of revisions on page [[02X++10]]: brrrrrrk < 1405252829 534427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun to do this when nothing loads < 1405252862 417045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10deleted "[[02X++10]]": tptptptptptpptpttpppppppppppp < 1405252968 601398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10restored "[[02X++10]]": 18 revisions restored: glorp top blop < 1405253081 213072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is going to be a great edit I'm going to make sometime within the next 18 hours < 1405253113 335616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1405253118 322664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1405253128 352149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well now it's not loading at all < 1405253150 943792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke it. Sorry. < 1405253154 422081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sort of going to do a little more cleanup afterward < 1405253169 799654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, food -> < 1405253300 412486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07X++14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40155&oldid=40151 5* 03Ehird 5* (-22) 10bubbles idly. Let's eat the silk road < 1405253465 989406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun thing, my own edit to X++ now longer shows in recent changes < 1405253470 28287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1405253719 781590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I delete it by accident? < 1405253735 268935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just isn't listed < 1405254880 196571 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405255635 988497 :^3!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1405256011 484492 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405258474 875822 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1405258501 632819 :vifino!~vifino@e180180255.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405258504 607682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1405258863 662879 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1405258908 235927 :nys!~nys@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1405264344 523327 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405264358 300302 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405264440 497352 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1405265324 336049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode/Doublecode14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=40156 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+10953) 10Created page with "'''Doublecode''' is a twocode interpreter by [[User:GermanyBoy]] in Sve. == Usage == Interpreter reads lines from the standard input until a line with text "EOF" is encounte..." < 1405265357 826898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode/Doublecode14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40157&oldid=40156 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+4) 10link < 1405265399 180878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn Strings are still messy :( < 1405265424 356196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40158&oldid=40071 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-8) 10/* (summary/infobox) */ doublecode < 1405265425 810094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea was to have Strings just be lists of integers < 1405265430 328001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. a list of chars < 1405265450 336692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I don't know whether to print {65 66} or AB < 1405265811 194970 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1405265835 418841 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405265855 81757 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405265960 282509 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-30-175.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1405266005 461760 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405266205 748589 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1405266215 838671 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405266332 383719 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Me sais Laptop sleepy. < 1405266343 189912 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1405267751 327167 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan There's a policy? < 1405267751 507997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1405267826 221307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40159&oldid=40141 5* 0392.105.82.69 5* (-1) 10freezed -> frozen < 1405267928 196035 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-207-112-93-42.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1405267974 920934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taworvor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40160&oldid=40147 5* 03Feuermonster 5* (+197) 10 < 1405268660 352563 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405268823 988768 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405269186 760839 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405269933 680756 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405269933 866746 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405269997 482330 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405270333 553286 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Erlang has that exact problem. < 1405271496 891812 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CloudAtCost is losing the locks of their fiber channel locking technology, according to them. < 1405271510 425739 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds Dilbertesque, like misplacing the token of a token ring < 1405271522 420055 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:39b2:67f1:2023:49b0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405271539 911600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CloudAtCost has been experiencing extended storage outages due to the underlying Fiber channel Locking technology. Since our environment has grown so large we are constantly getting lost locks which is a manual process for us to track down and fix where the process of fixing one virtual server can take up to 15-20 minutes." < 1405271551 214499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I flag Lists as String now < 1405271591 108453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you can add a list to a list flagged as a string < 1405271603 858071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not something anybody should do, but it can be done < 1405271829 799110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the following COBOL program generates 570 error messages: PROGRAM-ID. ERRMSG. Is this some kind of test function in the compiler? < 1405271834 290678 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr JOIN :#esoteric < 1405272322 307647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been pinged < 1405272420 288676 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405273703 202889 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405273844 459220 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-47-32.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405273972 390353 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1405274119 437821 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405274156 416982 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:39b2:67f1:2023:49b0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405274183 407548 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:450:5c2f:b879:8826 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405274344 325316 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405274368 428956 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1405274429 878920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405274756 436051 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:450:5c2f:b879:8826 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405275672 581657 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there isn't even an identification division? < 1405275696 161859 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you change it from ERRMSG to something else? < 1405275820 955099 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lemme send you something I wrote. < 1405275863 626564 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://pastebin.ca/2820574 < 1405275874 526256 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a joke one, of course. < 1405275954 396765 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of animal that's split in parts? < 1405275976 555029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know; I only read elsewhere that that is the case. I don't know what happen in other cases, but apparently that one line is the entire program. < 1405275988 823490 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you read the entire thing? < 1405276041 624933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but can't really visualize it. Insertion behavior sounds like normal eating, discharge behavior sounds like pooping < 1405276057 309166 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's three animals < 1405276059 419994 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It describes humans. < 1405276088 855803 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two humans and a blowup doll < 1405276090 424735 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever < 1405276100 976932 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conceptualized -C as some sort of detatchable rear end < 1405276153 305390 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think humans have those, but pretty sure I'm just misvisualizing the whole thing < 1405276181 132951 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each of the three objects is a separate human. < 1405276209 362342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1405276230 744071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ‘by an opaque "skin"’ – i’d suggest ‘by an opaque surface’ < 1405276239 548112 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, two humans and a kid < 1405276242 192046 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, gross, either way < 1405276245 332198 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! -A and -B are babies, -C is breastfeeding -A? < 1405276256 487840 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-C is the baby and -A is breastfeeding -C. < 1405276258 251634 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Babies are 170 centimeters in length? < 1405276260 493273 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. kid. better < 1405276273 499047 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: c is 50 cm it says < 1405276295 852101 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word its confused me < 1405276342 811910 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to continue writing. < 1405276428 895483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice so far. < 1405276436 399612 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1405277164 267951 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP-1960-J is pretty excellent < 1405277245 440050 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen the phrase "XK-class end-of-the-world scenario" a few times. < 1405277257 918362 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there non-XK-class end-of-the-world scenarios or XK-class non-end-of-the-world scenarios? < 1405277294 454275 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. there's CK and stuff. < 1405277312 47731 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "SK-class dominance shift" i think it is, where another species becomes dominant over humans < 1405277392 822992 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here's a sort of list on 1985 < 1405277395 628369 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The list of distinct scenarios (without duplicates, and following the Jackson K-Class Classification System) includes ███ XK-class Type Alpha (scorched earth) end of the world scenarios, ███ XK-class Type Omega (religious) end of the world scenarios, ███ AK-class "madness" end of the world scenarios, ██ EK-class "consciousness-loss" end of the world scenarios, ███ NK-class "grey goo" end of the world scenarios, < 1405277404 370522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The list of distinct scenarios (without duplicates, and following the Jackson K-Class Classification System) includes ███ XK-class Type Alpha (scorched earth) end of the world scenarios, ███ XK-class Type Omega (religious) end of the world scenarios, ███ AK-class "madness" end of the world scenarios, ██ EK-class "consciousness-loss" end of the world scenarios, ███ NK-class "grey goo" end of the world ... < 1405277410 386089 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... scenarios, ███ CK-class restructuring scenarios, ███ RK-class "out-competition" restructuring scenarios, ███ SK-class dominance shift scenarios, ███ IK-class collapse of global civilization scenarios, [DATA EXPUNGED]» < 1405277414 383042 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1405277436 365561 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have jus tlinked it? < 1405277452 52977 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the middle of the page. < 1405277473 522094 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-164-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also remember zk reality failure < 1405277603 441258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it be better to put in the alphabetical orders? < 1405277656 423771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I buy breath strips? < 1405277666 761958 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're so addictive < 1405277683 981245 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I'm going to burn my tongue and stomach off < 1405277695 813725 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than cigarettes. < 1405277775 108154 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And getting 1 hour of sleep each night is better than dying in a car crash. < 1405278267 624063 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ate 24 breath strips < 1405278481 545411 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/2820590 – okay, this is as long as it's going to get. < 1405278511 441541 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might actually want to remove the part about food. < 1405278535 709449 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely want that last sentence to stay at the end. < 1405278987 256351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a program that a commutative ligature-counter machine is capable of but that either one individually cannot? < 1405279064 741886 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched Google for 'ligature counter machine'. The top result is an article titled "Accidental Ligature Strangulation by an Ironing Machine". < 1405279076 817794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is only in the esolang wiki < 1405279090 683862 :leahder!54ec0fb5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.236.15.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405279141 428251 :leahder!54ec0fb5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.236.15.181 QUIT :Client Quit < 1405279601 493401 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1405280836 309215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :breath strips are gross < 1405281493 851081 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1405281804 202171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1405281812 408958 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405282027 455808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1405282027 656403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman asked 3h 57m 56s ago: There's a policy? < 1405282042 749793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Policy < 1405282042 930353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1405282042 930513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like a tsume shogi game? < 1405282076 385294 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405283086 699241 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1405283137 612183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll be removing that comma then . < 1405283817 83429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what comma < 1405283964 190999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: also i don't know if you got the part of the discussion where i mentioned my last edit to X++ didn't show up in recent changes after that merging mess. < 1405284058 720391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's still in the page history though) < 1405284083 467263 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405284249 956447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all these new language/interpreter pages make it almost look like we should enable main space subpages. < 1405284269 165331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm _now_ elliott is idle. < 1405284480 520016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :taworvor, the language with only ugly types < 1405284989 893777 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1405284990 76315 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1405285326 300096 :Zerker!~zerker@c-98-210-153-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1405286401 806383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think it will be down to penalty shots? < 1405286613 977834 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405286700 702738 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1405286781 394460 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:cc70:789f:63:ae45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1405286781 615197 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:e15:cc70:789f:63:ae45 QUIT :Client Quit < 1405286860 439887 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1405286930 628933 :brrr!~brrr@trivialand/emeritus/brrr JOIN :#esoteric < 1405286996 548940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out probably no < 1405287107 109562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405287226 435473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1405287478 183360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405288021 958644 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405288181 424501 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There’s public, private, and protected to enforce access, instead of Python’s _voluntary_ underscore __convention__." < 1405288184 220362 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "enforce" < 1405288187 22390 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're so funny Ruby < 1405288204 34213 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405288239 351414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1405288262 717643 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1405288263 560964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ruby deliberately has multiple ways to break all kinds of encapsulation and scope rules < 1405288298 940774 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be deliberate about it in Ruby... but same with Python, kind of hard not to notice the convention < 1405288593 843956 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@81.164.41.134 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405289095 182576 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405289313 961317 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405289339 119703 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405289404 855867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1405289408 692953 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1405289430 840226 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do there exist any languages which require turing-completeness to accept? can we even formalize this notion? < 1405289457 290919 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting the obvious encodings of TMs < 1405289528 205063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly all proofs that languages require turing-completeness to accept go via encoding something eventually leading back to TMs. < 1405289623 874730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "nearly all" i mean "there's probably some exception but i cannot recall it") < 1405289659 929927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the C pre-processor is turing-complete, so the language of valid (C source/compiled C source) pairs should be such a language, yes < 1405290166 573769 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405290206 501206 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1405290293 543332 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C preprocessor isn't TC unless iterated. < 1405290375 791014 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Academic languages are implementing type systems that require a SAT-solver. A "correct" implementation requires TC to accept, but real implementations just give up. < 1405290728 910649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ghc seems to be getting that < 1405291459 700047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, isn't that just languages that can be recognized by an unrestricted grammar but not by a context-sensitive grammar? < 1405291523 700613 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bear in mind that I don't quite know what I'm talking about) < 1405291819 149665 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405291895 86228 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1405292019 966595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a bit imprecise. there are unrestricted grammars giving languages much weaker than TC. < 1405292024 295654 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405292067 471955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the whole complexity hierarchy above SPACE(O(n)) lies outside context-sensitive. < 1405292069 640813 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kkfrzfvbiuaswtzf JOIN :#esoteric < 1405292148 526043 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1405292227 742387 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405292305 753060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. primitive recursive functions give an intermediate class. < 1405292398 632768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we recently discussed how system F gives second-level logic provable termination, which is between _that_ and TC again. < 1405292461 448275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chomsky's grammar categorization is very coarse indeed by modern standards. < 1405292949 606994 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1405293058 884882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1405293116 382269 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1405293163 134079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1405293413 190634 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1405294389 299982 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1405295347 836258 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a problem with Ruby compared to Python may not be "There's more than one way to do it" as "There's more than one way to do it, very similar but with slight but significant differences that are hard to remember" < 1405295358 587946 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Ruby 2.0 went any way towards fixing that
< 1405295615 934530 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby lets you be extremely ad-hoc < 1405295620 302793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no type system to protect you < 1405295637 279172 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a recipe for lots of subtle, horrid bugs < 1405295848 905436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to like it right now. Not really sure why < 1405295856 98955 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's perl for you