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1404002431 716982 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1404002458 334416 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1404002606 2760 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404002647 148703 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net NICK :Guest98832 < 1404002681 264333 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404002703 310725 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404002905 367118 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404004818 612627 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: UNIVERSAL CHICKEN < 1404004822 293045 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404005709 807457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1404006197 312648 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404006354 783618 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1404006390 322657 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404006405 298573 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404007157 171639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn. i edited wikipedia's esoteric programming language article to update the links to the wiki and User:Agyle took it as an opportunity to go on a general deletion massacre against the wiki and other community links. (did you know: our wiki is neither a reliable source, nor mentioned in any?) < 1404007346 647425 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1404007347 512086 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404007385 958726 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-45-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1404007386 139737 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404007564 83281 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: iirc there is plenty of precedent for linking to established community wikis, though not as a source < 1404007709 334052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the bastard also removed the _entire_ section about the existence of a community. < 1404007934 148966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: e is presumably referring to point 12 in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided < 1404008074 830724 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, people will find the wiki anyhow < 1404008083 692888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANNA BET < 1404008098 749235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our wiki may be a reliable source for some things and may link to some reliable sources. < 1404008121 289373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the best kind of reliable source, but for some things it works. < 1404008142 359091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a technical wikipedia term. < 1404008175 509078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes madness if you try to compare it with the colloquial meaning. < 1404008179 942108 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway twke it to the talk page I guess (it'll be tedious) < 1404008185 668414 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*take < 1404008200 479389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Wikipedia consider to be reliable then? < 1404008221 928393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it depend on what you are looking for, and on how many sources there are for something? < 1404008293 857337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"should" and "wikipedia policy" are not well correlated concepts hth < 1404008364 822592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i cannot bear that kind of arguing. < 1404008390 595030 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1404008687 406762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead i passive-aggressively https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Agyle&diff=614833601&oldid=614551499 < 1404008786 639453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really all that passive < 1404008798 112990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that * turned into a bullet fo a bulleted list < 1404008801 48507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. what's the exact definition. < 1404008809 451825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized that a second too late, shachaf < 1404008823 190724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think editing it now would be even more pathetic :P < 1404008939 736298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stupid things are subject to muphry's law. just look at how long it took me to do the edits yesterday that provoked this. < 1404009788 604029 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404010066 665381 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404011483 299760 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts on his tin foil hat < 1404011642 184921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you stay away from the wizard robe < 1404012318 542620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if you found any more mistakes in AmigaMML program, in amigasam, or feature requests, and/or anything unclear/incorrect in the provided documentation. < 1404012825 909996 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404012895 105932 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404013071 903983 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404013182 118140 :Gregor``!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor < 1404013863 554058 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404014411 603534 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404014596 356800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Javamannen 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:CHIP16 controller.png10]]": Taken from the Machine Specification for CHIP-16. https://github.com/chip16/chip16/wiki/Machine-Specification < 1404014712 849951 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that smells like non-pd content < 1404014969 418493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is smelling like non-pd content? < 1404015274 901948 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the image < 1404015336 510101 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo has wiki updates blocked. < 1404015437 405497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the LICENSE file for the repository is GPL 3, and i can find no other license for the wiki part. < 1404015455 48466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What repository? < 1404015468 238629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the one in HackEgo's announcement < 1404015484 518945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What announcement? < 1404015510 299621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some announcements blocked. < 1404015513 89848 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:02 < HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Javamannen * uploaded "[[File:CHIP16 controller.png]]": Taken from the Machine Specification for CHIP-16. https://github.com/chip16/chip16/wiki/Machine-Specification < 1404015538 815049 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you aren't just blocking .*[wiki].* or something, i guess < 1404015585 390271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not just blocking .*[wiki].* < 1404015604 616839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exact specification of the filter I am using is: <1> i /:HackEgo![^ ]* PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[wiki\]/i < 1404015644 19018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the picture now; it has one extra dot it look like. < 1404015651 865802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use ignore rules then the reasonable bursen is on you to use logs or whatever to see stuff you missed, since it's a personal thing < 1404015662 677885 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02File:CHIP16 controller.png10]]": Copyright violation: As far as I can see, the repository that is from is GPL 3 < 1404015674 530169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose so < 1404015697 511097 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404015702 237479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you are referencing something on the wiki you should specify what you are referencing anyways though < 1404015742 579186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the buttons are different order from the Famicom order; you could use Famicom order instead, which is: A, B, Select, Start, Up, Down, Left, Right. < 1404015745 628270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: repeating information that was said on the previous irc line is a little silly < 1404015821 806876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i deleted it, anyway < 1404015831 186991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, unless you are trying to clarify something, of course. Because there can be a lot of people and messages on the IRC, it can sometimes be unclear, until you read it a second time < 1404015863 626713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we allowed to post messages on the talk page of a deleted file in wiki? < 1404015901 494928 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I'll ban you (not really) < 1404015953 669838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, I mean if the messages being posted will not have any copyright violations, can it be posted OK?) < 1404015971 863489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1404016024 263727 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404016203 500408 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404016508 740491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07File talk:CHIP16 controller.png14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39961 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+819) 10Created page with "This file was deleted, due to copyright violation (please post only public domain files here) (also the picture seem to have one extra dot). I can perhaps also suggest that yo..." < 1404016553 968306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made ASCII version is it better? < 1404016698 849867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope so < 1404016851 33335 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net QUIT : < 1404017116 830303 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: upon actually viewing the image, I suspect it is likely uncopyrightable < 1404017138 249035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1404017192 208788 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is a very simple, non-artistic arrangement of geometric shapes and digits < 1404017214 487982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the github code says it was from http://imgur.com/ExCAKZo btw < 1404017232 393485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that helps < 1404017255 141977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well if you're sure go ahead and restore it >:) < 1404017278 412529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Probably you are correct, I think, although I made ASCII version anyways in case it help more. < 1404017319 94454 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, the wiki is no longer my legal liability :P < 1404017320 784594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ASCII version include text labels as well as numeric, in the order they are found in Famicom, GameBoy, NES, etc) < 1404017325 529849 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the image is ugly < 1404017331 793763 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should just remake it. < 1404017343 386459 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ASCII is fine. < 1404017360 367252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's not mine either hth < 1404019450 872063 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send a description of the image to someone who hasn't seen the original so they can clean room reverse egnineer it? < 1404019477 908047 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what if the description is copyrighted, < 1404019533 383852 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use the original description, just make a new one based on looking at the chart? < 1404019557 626878 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the chart is copyrighted! < 1404019597 771632 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, that's why you send a desciption of it. < 1404019626 408869 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess to be sure you'd need the lawyer times. < 1404019661 653932 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not someone who just looked at the WIkipedia article on clean room reverse engineering for a bit. < 1404019716 518716 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd look at the article but it may also be copyrighted < 1404019768 246391 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION copyrights the word "copyright". < 1404019998 554998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION patents MDream < 1404020036 724043 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wel at least that expires after 20 years. < 1404020058 288877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Slide14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39962&oldid=39949 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+319) 10 < 1404020275 767462 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1404020475 250018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the probability of winning/losing/draw at a chess game if moves are selected at random using uniform probabilities for each legal move, and no draws are used except for lack of legal moves and infinity of future is necessary? < 1404020513 398331 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404020525 967272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Promotion counts as four possible moves, so it is four times as likely as another move.) < 1404020582 970216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07File talk:CHIP16 controller.png14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39963&oldid=39961 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+171) 10Sorry for the copyright violation, and thanks for the tip! < 1404020992 727199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds like the thing you could estimate by repeating it enough times, but which would likely be exponentially hard to calculate exactly < 1404020999 310725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kind of thing < 1404021023 232845 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And both players are playing like this, or? < 1404021065 229149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, it applies to both players. (Presumably, you do not actually play chess like this; it is entirely hypothetical.) < 1404021116 290391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe you. Perhaps it is easier if a variant with smaller board and less pieces? < 1404021293 778880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure. exponentially hard also become easy if the instance is small enough. < 1404021298 607066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*becomes < 1404021364 9863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it is possible to make up the "1 L" rule of linear logic out of the cut rule and "1 R" rule. < 1404021514 678659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is the similar thing with the rules for bottom, too) < 1404021540 169886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for every polynomial-time algorithm you have, there is an exponential algorithm that I would rather run" -- alan perlis, as quoted by dick lipton < 1404021673 535268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why do they have that? < 1404021770 483751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because exponential doesn't mean _always_ slower, presumably < 1404021799 505057 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get some serious approximations out to many decimals using taylor and mclaren series < 1404021845 275894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :redryder: for zzo38's problem? i doubt it. < 1404021866 739049 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ABOUT AN ORTHONORMAL BASIS OF BESSEL FUNCTIONS < 1404021911 136985 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besssel function, what are you trying to do build a nuclear reactor? lol < 1404021914 100723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the structure of legal moves is too complex to turn into an efficient formula < 1404021916 220544 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-139-14.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404021978 121519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :redryder: what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? < 1404021984 264185 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are planets where the atmosphere is so dense, you can look straight forward and see the back of your own head < 1404022001 716882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait was redryder someone's bot < 1404022038 49668 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that esotericly rich < 1404022049 931593 :redryder!~redryder@pool-71-172-187-93.nwrknj.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like bs < 1404022084 221048 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1404022084 498046 NAMES :#esoteric < 1404022109 328743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*redryder@*.nwrknj.east.verizon.net > 1404022109 350819 NAMES :#esoteric < 1404022109 513945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric redryder :You are annoying and speaking nonsense < 1404022112 71495 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1404022116 533598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1404022116 555585 NAMES :#esoteric < 1404022241 650489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, failing the turing test < 1404022455 551350 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404022493 778226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: my default assumption is a rude chatbot... < 1404022509 555669 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not complaining. < 1404022552 504695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39964&oldid=39957 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+530) 10 < 1404022571 30155 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404023072 711836 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404023237 510233 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1404023396 694963 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404023413 8863 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^0 < 1404023659 756969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1404024472 560396 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404025680 517596 :Guest42564!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1404025680 662001 :Guest42564!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1404025732 417993 :Guest42564!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1404026101 690141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39965&oldid=39964 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+12) 1060 MIPS overkill? < 1404026529 269952 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1404026639 957276 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404027569 157703 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1404027569 354001 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rrolfgrdekjqkwyw JOIN :#esoteric < 1404027603 241302 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/session QUIT :Changing host < 1404027603 400004 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-kdsskvtxotvrqbpb JOIN :#esoteric < 1404029204 984961 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1404029506 553394 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.131.85.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404029611 648826 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.131.85.3 QUIT :Client Quit < 1404030088 422555 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rrolfgrdekjqkwyw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1404030292 255286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it was a person pretending it's a bot pretending it's a person. < 1404030411 673137 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goooooood morning < 1404030450 261496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could a programming language be made for testing random number generator quality and calculating probabilities and distributions, as follows: Have one "$" instruction for "toss coin", which can split a program into two states with half a probability. There is a finite states subset, and when not used it can cancel any probability which is "too small", otherwise it can calculate exact probabilities even in case of infinite loop sometimes. < 1404030504 759993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39966&oldid=39959 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+0) 10/* Structures */ corrected name < 1404031506 428151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39967&oldid=39966 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+470) 10/* Indentation rules */ < 1404031977 899654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:SYCPOL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39968 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1550) 10Created page with "Another idea would be to fix it so that it will work even if the cards are placed in the wrong order. Such as, the division and/or section, and what it belongs to, must be men..." < 1404033296 259031 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-139-14.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404033737 910678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Braktif14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39969&oldid=19938 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+1065) 10/* Turing complete etc */ new section < 1404034486 520669 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404034713 461958 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1404035017 528899 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1404035122 917991 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404035123 206757 :Guest98832!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404035251 953287 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Processor/114]]4 10 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1404044922 430750 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1404045281 496786 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404045288 290662 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404045311 347276 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404046504 887706 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404047108 847627 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404047304 844841 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404048270 327871 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404048721 50196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:SYCPOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39971&oldid=39968 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1110) 10 < 1404048824 450935 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404049231 323473 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1404051018 322756 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404051187 852583 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MINIM CHICKEN < 1404051190 897398 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404051595 533291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Slide14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39972&oldid=39962 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+297) 10 < 1404052588 257726 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404053205 773454 :^0!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1404055618 729542 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404056107 551022 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404056363 739030 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404057062 466692 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1404057303 422369 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404058829 621690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, computers. My (USB, wired) keyboard does not work in the GRUB menu if a (USB) Bluetooth dongle is plugged in at boot time. < 1404058870 425781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS 1 : fizzie 0. < 1404058925 184883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they on the same USB bus? how much power does the Bluetooth dongle claim? Is there any left for the keyboard afterwards? < 1404059611 237457 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Quit: Ze Cat now leaves... < 1404060697 251903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that as "Machines 1 : Humans 0" < 1404060995 188902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what two states? < 1404061724 217474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Head and tails, of course. < 1404061761 670058 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1404061883 866962 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the downside of Data.Vector as opposed to Data.Array? < 1404062060 334662 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404062268 802802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one dimensional only < 1404062279 331201 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fuck < 1404062300 747141 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get arrays yet < 1404062340 836786 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector is nice < 1404062347 618055 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just nest them. < 1404062369 6154 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do index arithmetic manually < 1404062402 732403 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i do a fromList (map fromList foo) to turn [[a]] into a twodimensional vector? < 1404062432 760680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vector of vectors, isn't it < 1404062434 108304 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, though index arithmetic might be nicer < 1404062438 180381 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since less indirection < 1404062454 119100 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really matter? < 1404062454 592356 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that klist is square < 1404062457 573802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*list < 1404062462 372825 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1404062467 829009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually does not have to be < 1404062475 281424 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then nest vectors < 1404062481 249570 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can force it, but i don't want to if i don't have to < 1404062487 21544 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indirection is expensive, locality is nice, caching, etc. < 1404062496 223962 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see < 1404062513 451711 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, even without that it should be way faster than [[a]] < 1404062523 29357 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you storing? < 1404062533 732108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rail programm < 1404062561 476478 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. some plaintext < 1404062564 825406 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap (Int,Int) is underrated, also < 1404062580 540203 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1404062615 523605 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rail has a lot of blank space, doesn't it? maybe a hash map would be better. < 1404062622 779209 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something based on the actual graph, maybe < 1404062645 107133 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta lead the way towards esolang JITs < 1404062665 274207 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to access the cell at the current instruction pointer position < 1404062669 578425 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap is nice because you can update it with less overhead < 1404062671 648039 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the most used operation < 1404062679 525420 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less copying < 1404062687 161193 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rail programms won't be updated once created < 1404062755 842964 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then try vector and HashMap and see which you like more :) < 1404062768 319380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: A bit late, but the keyboard seemed to work post-boot. And the keyboard was in a (passive) hub connected to one of the back-of-the-box ports, while the USB dongle was in one of the front USB ports, but who knows how those are connected. < 1404062781 752487 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want a boxed vector of unboxed vectors < 1404062783 827244 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know maps < 1404062789 557310 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might get a little confusing < 1404062797 486395 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hashmap faster at accessing than map? < 1404062815 231809 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap is faster at almost everything < 1404062840 896041 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they reasonably cheap to update? < 1404062909 412665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1404062918 510600 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds perfect < 1404062923 908922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lsusb can be used to find out < 1404062944 138232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but as you describe it it sounds like a bug :) < 1404062977 858987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The same system has trouble booting at all if I forget the USB card reader (with a SD card from the camera) connected. < 1404063016 143807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second Bike's suggestion about "something based on the actual graph", since I guess Rail doesn't do self-modification? < 1404063056 449539 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be tricky for an dedicated rail editor < 1404063067 283379 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you just said it won't be updated... < 1404063070 314093 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashmap is pretty easy to adapt for that manner < 1404063078 235662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i am thinking ahead! < 1404063114 958851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thinking head thinks ahead. < 1404063144 82134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any advantage of Map instead of HashMap? < 1404063154 397414 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, why is there even a Map? < 1404063168 701561 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404063176 287020 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes by order not hash < 1404063186 349335 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can do more efficient queries based on key order < 1404063195 835171 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap is mostly just newer though. < 1404063344 965575 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does HashMap has O(1) access? < 1404063354 510807 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1404063435 562564 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1404063443 373018 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is log < 1404063446 740717 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason you can't make a structure editor maaaaan < 1404063480 981457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that may be true, but it makes things a lot harder < 1404063482 675963 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need O(1) though probably < 1404063503 711058 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw O(1) access and update are incompatible (for a persistent structure) < 1404063507 838702 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've already spent like half an hour wondering how to do text most efficiently. less thinking more making shit up < 1404063545 839 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we profiled our code and the most time is spent looking up characters < 1404063554 103794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think it's fair to work at this < 1404063562 935402 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would completely disappear with a graph. bam. < 1404063572 526732 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1404063591 623692 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the code that looks up actually makes a graph out of the code < 1404063599 908738 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rail code) < 1404063657 577949 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is this in haskell instead of self-hosting, you terrible person < 1404063683 68232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not my choice < 1404063689 257424 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had to do haskell or c++ < 1404063702 287178 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i obviously chose haskell! < 1404063726 621457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/choice/decission/ < 1404064414 611911 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, i don't have any efficient way of getting the "size" of a hashmap, have i? (or any reasonable upper bound) < 1404064501 233156 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size function? < 1404064513 2743 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is O(1) Ivthink. < 1404064518 448691 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect! < 1404064619 994729 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just have to write a function to convert that < 1404064899 833182 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1404065045 900523 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1404065219 514447 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-75-142.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1404065582 853924 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extracting something from the first line gets trickier, though < 1404065590 884985 :Sgeo_!~quassel@68.194.223.12 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404065601 471508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have a Redmine program for AmigaMML. < 1404065620 338308 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am not even surprised anymore < 1404065838 633489 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: a nested hashmap works too < 1404065936 447279 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think (Int, Int) is fine, this is one corner case that only gets done once per function < 1404066569 155650 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404066605 450307 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i will change to nested hashmaps < 1404066678 717112 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IntMap is also a thing but I think HashMap is faster. < 1404066704 909056 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though IntMap can do some specialised optiona faster, like Map < 1404066711 413429 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*operations < 1404067481 894885 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange thing there is no [a] -> IntMap a < 1404067511 845254 :Mathnerd626!~quassel@dsl-206-53-27-58.den.pcisys.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404067602 191578 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromList . zip [0..] < 1404067614 86482 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1404067616 767641 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1404067620 504421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've thought of that < 1404067629 657939 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i barely use zip < 1404067698 968081 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should probably use HashMap < 1404067705 365448 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1404067720 612738 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's faster than IntMap on the usual operations, unless that changed < 1404067737 803246 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange < 1404067756 583574 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap should he yiur default map structure unkess you know why you'd need something else. < 1404067762 605179 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can't type. < 1404068446 330056 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404068593 251122 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1404069475 803931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if there is anything unclear or any lies in the documentation? https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/attachments/download/353/amigamml.doc (it is a plain text, not Microsoft Word format) < 1404070048 407973 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1404070077 891947 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Befunge-98 interpreter :D < 1404070080 992153 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/TieSoul/befunge/blob/master/befunge-exec.py < 1404070090 324734 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't < 1404070090 670539 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware: Bad code. < 1404070162 248349 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume toList from HashMap Int Char gives no guarantee whatsoever of ordering < 1404070172 986034 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forgot to change a few things when refactoring < 1404070187 705646 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HashMap? < 1404070206 900430 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you're talking about them above here? < 1404070208 168130 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@5ED55308.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1404070214 521774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1404070704 783379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1404071026 296813 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404071256 380885 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-57-117.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1404071517 255623 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404071665 472070 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.151.219.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404071678 274509 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404071689 269995 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-161-206.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404071800 195438 :ket1v!~ket1v@1.151.219.42 QUIT :Client Quit < 1404072023 626547 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404072365 113436 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404072712 302607 :vifino_!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1404072880 878201 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1404073062 737015 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404073062 932505 :vifino!~vifino@ip-37-24-78-77.unitymediagroup.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404073062 932632 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404073176 6746 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404073234 755362 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1404073498 135717 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1404073575 257159 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortticat < 1404073593 349256 :nortticat!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1404073611 705346 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404073754 302107 :nooodl__!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN 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:not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404075432 546300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39973&oldid=39965 5* 03Javamannen 5* (-1711) 10Reboot & rethink. < 1404075577 680538 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now this diagram makes no sense whatsoever < 1404076324 944423 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ur a diagram < 1404076331 313310 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404076343 928505 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I make no sens < 1404076344 862733 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1404076796 25968 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404076902 749805 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404077586 420700 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1404077611 65322 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 JOIN :#esoteric < 1404077907 848655 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1404077975 101370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1404078343 280150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ndef++14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39974 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+413) 10This is the programming language of choice for the Demiurge < 1404078507 80447 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1404078511 773844 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deprecated: "HashMap is deprecated. Please use Map instead." < 1404078529 504338 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am confused < 1404078639 542345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you're looking at the "hashmap" package instead of the "unordered-containers" one? < 1404078653 286917 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i used that? < 1404078690 597527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: look at which package was loaded by ghci < 1404078717 50367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39975&oldid=39701 5* 03Javamannen 5* (+45) 10NDef++ < 1404078719 560537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.HashMap < 1404078729 77143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a module, not a package < 1404078754 283285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no such module in unordered-containers < 1404078759 648542 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, i'll use maps < 1404078761 304982 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404078772 187335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Data.HashMap.Lazy or Data.HashMap.Strict < 1404078777 712998 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404078812 64937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't deprecated when Data.HashMap is? < 1404078822 420270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, those are from unordered-containers < 1404078833 343322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :module names are not necessarily globally unique < 1404078867 104352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unordered-containers comes with the haskell platform, so is very much not deprecated) < 1404078871 171267 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will discuss that with people from the project < 1404078936 737161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Map will of course also work for just about everything < 1404078979 59949 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know, we are faster than the c++ team < 1404079004 429981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackage.haskell.org/package/unordered-containers-0.2.4.0 < 1404079021 149164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently the "HashMap is deprecated" notice in the Data.HashMap module of the hashmap package only refers to the fact that it's deprecated over the Data.Map module *in hashmap*. < 1404079024 751564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it the icfp contest? < 1404079035 844345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the whole package is marked as deprecated in favour of unordered-containers.) < 1404079048 947902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh < 1404079082 708001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean, the Map type in Data.HashMap, of course. < 1404079097 426932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, not the Data.Map Map. < 1404079132 927949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the haskell platform version is still on 0.2.3.0 < 1404079181 391358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the platform is about a year old. a new version is planned as soon as ghc 7.8.3 is out < 1404079248 359829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not the icfp contest < 1404079268 141836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: is this some other contest or if not why are there teams < 1404079293 93612 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a software project module of our university < 1404079301 52594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1404080011 993783 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4540:5b:69c2:7306:3dd8:9825 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404080034 290018 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqsnhetpramfcise QUIT :Changing host < 1404080034 434396 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1404080034 578798 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1404080034 578998 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqsnhetpramfcise JOIN :#esoteric < 1404080050 611091 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqsnhetpramfcise NICK :ggherdov < 1404081281 336342 :tony662!~tony662@on-campus-114-205.vpn.arizona.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1404081338 305327 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-161-206.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404081350 385787 :tony662!~tony662@on-campus-114-205.vpn.arizona.edu PART #esoteric :"Leaving..." < 1404081541 8323 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-200-41.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404082182 468865 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, one last thing: if i have data Foo = Foo { ..., bar :: Map ... } and at some point i make foo{x=5}, will it copy the map or reuse the existing one? < 1404082453 135446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reuse < 1404082522 924414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at runtime, the bar field in Foo is just a pointer to the map, after all. < 1404082526 346697 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1404082544 694964 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404082645 678859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the kind of type that it makes sense to unbox < 1404082688 362633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if it were, it would only happen with the right settings and a strictness annotation. < 1404083106 460520 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-200-41.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404083151 816396 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1404083211 171639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-144.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1404083445 460139 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1404083445 984103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1404083451 201249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1404083451 777501 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ? \ ¿ \ @ \ ؟ \ WELCOME \  \  \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ anonlog \ as86 \ aseen \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ complain \ complaints \ danddreclist \ define \ delquote \ delvs \ dis86 \ e \  < 1404083467 30555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball < 1404083467 624140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook good. < 1404083471 393220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1404083476 445605 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`allquotes < 1404083477 2429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 2) Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ 3) that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ 4) GKennethR: he < 1404083480 748817 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-217-144.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball < 1404083481 247837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1404083554 741587 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083555 598091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083560 497785 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083561 398030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/oerjan # wat: No such file or directory < 1404083565 468426 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/oerjan < 1404083565 987282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1404083573 662153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo < bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083574 226431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1404083576 783836 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1404083603 358723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run xargs echo < bin/oerjan # wat < 1404083604 71640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1404083607 947478 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learnt something today < 1404083668 293934 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404083695 162107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1404083709 981041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's only been 14 minutes afaict < 1404083835 331468 :nooodl!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1404084400 318566 :nooodl!~nooodl@16.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1404084498 321917 :nooodl_!~nooodl@233.156-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1404085019 574031 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1404085108 258505 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1404085571 294588 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1404085571 439289 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric