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00:22:10 <Sgeo> Q.spawn(function*(){console.log("Hello"); yield sleep(1000); console.log("Goodbye");});
00:22:15 <Sgeo> (untested)
00:22:21 <Sgeo> That... looks almost livable
00:23:29 <Bike> what is livability
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00:30:39 <Sgeo> Here's an interesting thought: The Node.JS ecosystem seems somewhat fragmented when it comes to promises... but it really doesn't matter because there's a standard Node.JS style, and practically all promise libraries seem to offer conversions to and from it, so fragmentation probably doesn't cause significant problems, the way streaming libraries in Haskell could cause problems and reluctance to use them anywhere except at the application 
00:30:39 <Sgeo> level
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03:30:42 <Sgeo> http://dogeon.org/
03:37:46 <ion> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BhAP_yFe8oc/U1GovyKPkyI/AAAAAAAAA5c/P4zl6_P9v2o/w2560-h1920-no/14+-+1
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03:44:49 <kmc> \o/ my lint plugin thingy is working! https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/3409ece44ead6d280b8e
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03:50:22 <Sgeo> kmc: do you have any thoughts on my ecosystem fragmentation thoughts?
03:51:10 <Sgeo> kmc: custom linter?
03:51:29 <kmc> Sgeo: i did not see such thoughts, nor did I think them
03:51:39 <kmc> Sgeo: yeah, rustc will soon support custom lint plugins
03:51:54 <kmc> here's the draft spec (such as it is) https://github.com/kmcallister/rfcs/blob/lints/active/0000-loadable-lints.md
03:51:54 <Sgeo> kmc: neat
03:51:59 <kmc> has some motivating use cases
03:52:13 <Sgeo> 'Loadable lints produce more coupling of user code to rustc internals (with no official stability guarantee, of course).'
03:52:28 <Sgeo> So, is Rust about to become yet another language primarily defined by its implementation?
03:53:06 <kmc> well, maybe, but I think these lint plugins are more part of the implementation than part of the language
03:53:10 <kmc> clang and gcc also support plugins
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03:53:45 <kmc> I would say Rust has become yet another language where you have to enable a bunch of "extensions" to do anything fun
03:53:47 <Sgeo> Most people use GHC-specific things these days, people may end up using a lot of rustc-specific things
03:54:05 <Sgeo> kmc: huh, in that regard, only Haskell comes to mind
03:54:09 <kmc> in this case the extensions are less about deviating from the standard (because there isn't one) and more about using things we don't want to support from 1.0 to the end of time
03:54:31 <kmc> Sgeo: Linux kernel uses a bajillion GNU C extensions
03:54:37 <Sgeo> Ah
03:54:47 <Sgeo> Not that familiar with C or Linux kernel, sadly
03:54:49 <kmc> and in JS it's pretty common too (or, you compile the extensions away, which is pretty much the same)
03:54:49 <Sgeo> I should learn
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03:54:59 <kmc> Sgeo: another time I can talk your ear off about craaaazy Linux GNU C tricks
03:55:18 <Sgeo> kmc: I think Javascript's different. At least when you compile them away, the result should still hopefully run on several different JS runtimes
03:55:38 <Sgeo> kmc: sounds interesting
03:55:41 <kmc> Sgeo: anyway I can say that the Rust team is serious about standardizing Rust, but that'll come later, once it's more stable
04:00:25 <kmc> Sgeo: lint plugins have access to the typechecker, so they can do things that external syntactic analysis can't do easily
04:00:34 <kmc> and with marginal extra compile time
04:00:36 <Sgeo> kmc: neat!
04:00:54 <kmc> tomorrow I guess I should make some compelling demos.  and tests, gotta have tests
04:01:07 <Sgeo> Could I effectively write my own typesystem as long as it's stricter than the native one?
04:01:21 <kmc> you can certainly do some things like that
04:01:30 <kmc> for Servo we want to forbid certain types from appearing except in certain structs
04:12:17 <kmc> `coins
04:12:25 <HackEgo> ​dimecoin impercoin pavitcoin degunfrabcoin bchacoin evilcoin worsecoin rocrcoin gritumcoin standrafcoin returncoin vencoin grasscoin sansiscoin evptcoin liberecoin ozoicecoin mousecoin salcoin redisortoicoin
04:17:42 <kmc> dimecoin
04:25:19 <Bike> it'll never catch on
04:45:24 <monotone> Worsecoin is bettercoin.
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05:18:36 <kmc> Sgeo: all multithreaded C programs are using serious language extensions, in the sense that the spec doesn't assign any semantics to concurrency (before C11 that is)
05:19:32 <Bike> semantics shmemantics
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05:31:37 <Sgeo> "One often made mistake is to use closures inside of loops, as if they were copying the value of the loop's index variable."
05:31:44 <Sgeo> :( >:(
05:32:26 <Bike> i don't understand why people think there should obviously be a new binding every time
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05:44:02 <Sgeo> "The specification gives exactly one way of accessing the [[Class]] value, with the use of Object.prototype.toString."
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05:48:02 <Sgeo> "The automatic insertion of semicolon is considered to be one of biggest design flaws in the language because it can change the behavior of code."
05:48:15 <Sgeo> npm's style guide says to only use semicolons in specific circumstances
05:48:51 <Sgeo> https://www.npmjs.org/doc/coding-style.html#Semicolons
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05:53:27 <oerjan>  <-- i have this small urge to tell all the "label your axes" commenters that they would have failed the test.  (fortunately i have no imgur account.)
05:53:31 <oerjan> oops
05:53:34 <oerjan> <Sgeo> https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/28c6e42e <-- i have this small urge to tell all the "label your axes" commenters that they would have failed the test.  (fortunately i have no imgur account.)
05:53:49 <oerjan> wait
05:54:07 <oerjan> and i paste the wrong quote.
05:54:41 <oerjan> <ion> Seems legit. http://imgur.com/gallery/4nnbyru <-- i have this small urge to tell all the "label your axes" commenters that they would have failed the test.  (fortunately i have no imgur account.)
05:54:53 <oerjan> THAT WILL DO IT
05:55:02 * oerjan gets 29 points for effort
05:56:11 <ion> hah
05:56:49 <ion> oerjan: the Catholic Diocese of Peoria Star Wars watching?
05:57:26 <oerjan> ion: CDOP is like OCPD, but with the letters in the proper order.  it is actually relevant in this case.
05:59:27 <oerjan> (http://youtu.be/5GFW-eEWXlc)
06:00:04 <ion> TIL: OCPD
06:00:13 <ion> I knew OCD
06:01:47 <oerjan> basically if you think you have OCD but aren't completely weird, you probably have OCPD instead.
06:02:21 <oerjan> (above message completely failing at detangling wrong stereotypes)
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06:45:34 <int-e> "child death overview panel" is a creepy name for an institution
06:46:29 <oerjan> pretty sure they have a creepy job too hth
06:49:31 <kmc> oerjan: what if I am completely weird, but in ways that probably aren't related?
06:50:48 <oerjan> kmc: NOPE.  ZERO ON THE FINAL.
06:50:54 <kmc> :<
06:51:06 <oerjan> that polish one hth
06:51:28 <kmc> a polish final? i'd probably get zero anyway
06:52:36 <oerjan> my next joke is ruined by zero actually being zero in polish
06:56:46 <fowl> oerjan, most of the time when you say hth, i dont believe you really hope that helps
06:57:39 <Jafet> `? twh
06:57:40 <HackEgo> twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. hand.
06:58:03 <fowl> wut
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06:59:23 <Jafet> I think most schools will tend to not give students pass-1 marks
07:00:34 <oerjan> fowl: you may be starting to get it hth
07:02:14 <int-e> fowl: it's a bit more subtle. "hope that helps [but it would surprise me if it did]"
07:03:31 <int-e> (or perhaps that's just my own reading)
07:03:37 <fowl> aha
07:04:30 <int-e> Three letters can express so much! (And "twh" is worse because it could also stand for "that won't help")
07:06:51 <oerjan> would probably stick an n in there in that case
07:07:36 <int-e> that might help (tmh? hmm.)
07:08:41 <Jafet> twh is more optimistic. (wth?)
07:15:32 <ion> Ooh! http://www.dontstarvegame.com/blog/dont-starve-together-multiplayer-officially-coming-summer-2014
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08:00:43 <oerjan> fff ie11 refuses to open tunes.org logs as text
08:14:31 <FireFly> pretty sure "wth" stands for "what the hell", or did last I saw it used anyway
08:16:01 <slereah_> With the hand
08:16:09 <slereah_> Wither the heart
08:16:26 <slereah_> Whittle to hear
08:16:45 <slereah_> Wang the hooha
08:17:11 <slereah_> It could be many things
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08:22:01 <oerjan> lynx has a black background, and no simple way to choose a humane coloring style :(
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08:24:28 <oerjan> i think we are in the end times.  absolutely everything in the world is gradually getting annoying to use.
08:25:44 <oerjan> can you use wget as a pipe?
08:25:59 <slereah_> Maybe you are just getting old
08:26:05 <slereah_> Yelling at kids running on your lawn
08:26:11 <slereah_> DADBURN YONGUNS
08:26:15 <slereah_> IN MY DAYS
08:26:16 * oerjan swats slereah_ -----###
08:26:17 <slereah_> grumble
08:26:34 <slereah_> Aw Xchat doesn't have a trout command :(
08:26:54 <shachaf> oerjan: yoerjan
08:27:14 <oerjan> slereah_: you'll not be laughing when you realize this is all a plot by the new world order to drive us insane hth
08:27:26 <shachaf> did you disable the hth disabler
08:27:36 <oerjan> no just circumventing hth
08:27:50 <shachaf> you should just disable it hth
08:27:51 <Taneb> `unidecode th
08:27:52 <HackEgo> ​[U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H]
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08:28:08 <Taneb> I like the current arc in Gunnerkrigg Court
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08:28:28 <oerjan> Taneb: my trick leaves no trace in the output.
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08:28:34 <kmc> `unidecode θ
08:28:35 <HackEgo> ​[U+03B8 GREEK SMALL LETTER THETA]
08:28:39 <slereah_> `unicode 𓀀
08:28:40 <HackEgo> U+13000 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH A001 \ UTF-8: f0 93 80 80  UTF-16BE: d80cdc00  Decimal: &#77824; \ 𓀀 \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
08:28:51 <shachaf> hθ
08:28:53 <shachaf> hþ?
08:29:08 <kmc> the other day at dinner I told a bunch of people (including a CSS working group member) about good old U+A66E
08:29:39 <kmc> shachaf: isn't it rad when people denote days of the week by M T W Θ F?
08:30:18 <Taneb> What was the limeric, again?
08:30:30 <kmc> also "Jason D. Jfmamj" is a good fake name
08:30:33 <oerjan> ah stackexchange helpfully suggests -O -
08:30:34 <shachaf> S M T W Θ F Ϡ
08:30:43 <kmc> you can say it's Welsh or something
08:30:43 <slereah_> I am a bit sad that Klingon was rejected from Unicode
08:30:51 <kmc> slereah_: yeah, that came up too
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08:31:07 <kmc> I said that Unicode was only for very serious characters like PILE OF POO and SMILING CAT FACE
08:31:11 <shachaf> i told someone about U+A66E the other day too
08:31:28 <kmc> `unidecode Ϡ
08:31:28 <slereah_> Well Klingons do not have japanese cellphone company money
08:31:28 <HackEgo> ​[U+03E0 GREEK LETTER SAMPI]
08:31:37 <kmc> sampiday?
08:31:41 <slereah_> `unidecode 
08:31:42 <HackEgo> U+F8DF  - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef a3 9f  UTF-16BE: f8df  Decimal: &#63711; \  () \ Uppercase: U+F8DF \ Category: Co (Other, Private Use) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
08:31:44 <oerjan> `unicode U+A66E
08:31:45 <HackEgo> ​ꙮ
08:31:53 <slereah_> HackEgo : STOP IT D:
08:31:56 <kmc> `unidecode ꙮ
08:31:57 <HackEgo> ​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O]
08:31:58 <oerjan> `unicode ꙮ
08:31:59 <slereah_> AAAAAH
08:31:59 <HackEgo> U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O \ UTF-8: ea 99 ae  UTF-16BE: a66e  Decimal: &#42606; \ ꙮ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
08:32:03 <slereah_> The worst letter
08:32:05 <shachaf> oerjan: unidecode should be called icode hth
08:32:15 <slereah_> It is the spookiest letter of unicode
08:32:24 <slereah_> And I say this after looking at the Mayan unicode section
08:32:37 <shachaf> `run ln -s unidecode bin/icode
08:32:39 <HackEgo> No output.
08:32:44 <kmc> `run quote 1140  # Taneb
08:32:45 <HackEgo> 1140) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
08:32:50 <Taneb> kmc, thanks
08:32:59 <kmc> however this is an inaccurate limerick
08:33:04 <kmc> because ꙮ is Letter, Other
08:33:31 <kmc> it's almost as bad as that other limerick which makes dubious anatomical claims about the man from nantucket
08:33:57 <shachaf> what a failure of a limerick
08:34:03 <shachaf> i'll strive for maximal accuracy in the future
08:34:21 <kmc> hmm, "autofellatio" works in a double dactyl
08:34:37 <shachaf> it's never actually saying that ꙮ isn't alphanumeric, though.
08:34:45 <kmc> I guess so
08:34:57 <kmc> https://www.wordnik.com/lists/double-dactyl-words
08:35:03 <shachaf> in fact, given that it uses ꙮ, it's giving good evidence for the opposite
08:35:17 <kmc> but it's contrasting prose with poetry
08:35:20 <Taneb> shachaf, only if you are Swedish
08:35:30 <shachaf> Taneb: do you remember the original context
08:35:36 <Taneb> shachaf, not really
08:35:46 <shachaf> you also wrote a limerick
08:35:49 <Taneb> Probably
08:35:53 <Taneb> I'm trying to write one now
08:36:14 <kmc> https://www.wordnik.com/lists/double-dactyls
08:36:16 <oerjan> `unidecode ꙮhth
08:36:17 <HackEgo> ​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H]
08:36:18 <shachaf> http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/13.06.05
08:36:37 <oerjan> oh wait
08:36:46 <oerjan> `file bin/icode
08:36:46 <HackEgo> bin/icode: symbolic link to `unidecode'
08:36:51 <shachaf> `icode ꙮ hth
08:36:52 <HackEgo> ​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H]
08:36:52 <kmc> hm both "heterosexual" and "autofellatio" work as double dactyl words
08:37:17 <Taneb> I... am both proud and disappointed at my limerick ability
08:38:27 <kmc> "i am both proud and disappointed at my autofellatio ability"
08:38:33 <kmc> okay enough kmc.jerkcity.moed
08:39:03 <kmc> `unidecode ꙮerjan
08:39:04 <HackEgo> ​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0072 LATIN SMALL LETTER R] [U+006A LATIN SMALL LETTER J] [U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N]
08:39:28 <kmc> many-eyed seraphꙮerjan
08:40:03 <Taneb> There was a young man in York / Who read about Ankh-Morpork / "Discworld", he said / "Up with I am fed" / And instead watched Mindy and Mork
08:40:11 -!- kmc has set topic: The channel for CDOP Star Wars watching | AVOID SPIKES | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
08:40:47 <slereah_> ꙩꙫꙭꙮ
08:42:51 <oerjan> `icode ꙩꙫꙭꙮ
08:42:51 <HackEgo> ​[U+A669 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER MONOCULAR O] [U+A66B CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BINOCULAR O] [U+A66D CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DOUBLE MONOCULAR O] [U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O]
08:43:04 <kmc> mitꙮsis
08:43:16 <slereah_> This is how babies are made
08:43:27 <Taneb> (Disclaimer: I am not watching Mindy and Mork, or, indeed, the more exist-y Mork and Mindy)
08:43:40 * kmc -> zzz
08:44:21 <shachaf> Taneb: you gotta get the meter :'(
08:44:51 <Taneb> shachaf, it scans for me?
08:44:57 <shachaf> it does?
08:45:33 <Taneb> If I put on an RP accent
08:45:33 <shachaf> hm, perhaps we have different ideas of a limerick
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08:46:23 <shachaf> maybe it works
08:46:32 <shachaf> it doesn't help that i don't know how to prononuce a bunch of words
08:48:01 <shachaf> can you annotate your emphasis
08:48:10 <shachaf> what do you expect of a limerick
08:48:21 <Taneb> I have a very loose definition of limerick
08:48:59 <Taneb> Line 4 comes out sounding quite rushed
08:50:54 <Taneb> I think it's dactylic
08:52:23 <oerjan> Taneb: i think most of your lines have one syllable less than is acceptable
08:53:30 <oerjan> ok maybe not most.  but definitely the third and fourth.
08:54:10 <shachaf> what about the first, second, and fifth
08:54:30 <oerjan> i think the first is acceptable variation
08:55:40 <oerjan> oh actually not the fourth either, it's just bad
08:55:46 <shachaf> perhaps "morpork" is pronounced with emphasis on the second syllable and not the first
08:56:00 <oerjan> well that needs to be assumed.
08:56:13 <shachaf> is this actually the case
08:56:47 <Taneb> I can email people a recording of a reading maybe
08:57:49 <Taneb> If you want an email of me reading this limerick, pm me your address before 10:05 BST
08:58:09 <shachaf> email is not optimal
08:59:22 <shachaf> wait, i've heard "morpork" pronounced in _Discworld_ the computer game
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09:00:00 <Taneb> shachaf, I recorded it on my phone
09:00:13 <Taneb> I guess I could BlueTooth it to you, if you're within 30 meters
09:00:23 <Taneb> But then I mayswell just find you and read it to you
09:01:24 <Taneb> Hold on a second
09:02:25 <Taneb> I could send it THROUGH IRC
09:03:00 <shachaf> irc is not v. convenient
09:03:01 <shachaf> hm
09:05:07 <Taneb> Screw you guys I think this is poetic genius
09:08:44 <shachaf> now i'm writing a limerick but i can't finish the last line `h̀elṕ´
09:08:58 <shachaf> or any of the other ones, actually
09:10:29 <Taneb> There was once a Finn in CA / Who wrote a limerick one day / But trouble he had / That made him quite mad / No I can't finish this one either
09:10:48 <shachaf> a limerick's never been written / by those who reside in great britain; / as a parting good-bye wish, / their old pals, the irish, / decided: infringers get smitten!
09:10:58 <slereah_> There once was a man from Madrass
09:11:04 <slereah_> Whose balls were made of fine brass!
09:11:10 <slereah_> So in stormy beather
09:11:13 <slereah_> weather*
09:11:18 <slereah_> They both clanged together!
09:11:24 <Taneb> shachaf, wasn't Edward Lear from Britain?
09:11:25 <slereah_> And sparks came out of his ass!
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09:11:35 <slereah_> (the Leprechaun movies taught me a lot)
09:12:06 <shachaf> Taneb: and his limericks were generally utter scow
09:12:21 <shachaf> the first line and the last line ending with the same word
09:12:31 <shachaf> no sort of humor or story or flavour or anything
09:12:43 <shachaf> oops i half-ued my sentence
09:13:20 <Taneb> Filthy trans-atlantic scum
09:14:37 <shachaf> mr. lear's limericks are like stories that go nowhere
09:14:48 <Taneb> Well, that's true
09:15:03 <shachaf> barely rhyme or reason to them
09:16:03 <shachaf> I like the first quotation in http://www.poemhunter.com/edward-lear/
09:16:18 <shachaf> Then I looked it up and it looks like the ellipsis isn't part of the original poem.
09:16:23 <shachaf> But it's a very good ending.
09:17:10 <shachaf> Calico Pie, / The little Birds fly / Down to the Calico tree, / Their wings were blue, / And they sang "Tilly-loo!" / Till away they flew— / And they never came back...
09:18:48 <shachaf> A big improvement over the original, it turns out.
09:21:54 <shachaf> `? atriq
09:21:54 <HackEgo> atriq or two
09:23:10 <FireFly> `? ngevd
09:23:11 <HackEgo> ​�E�g˚��N��f�2���<�ܩX������]�.)�͂j��U���.��g�m�0��&��u-�C���Atު�)�o�I+�s�L��Mႍ�G���竹HGF.���[Ό�_4�ˌ�S���f�=}*}ܿ[��žG9�L�\�-��‚]��&D<���Y���4�wi��_���ܫ+έ'`��k�b�z��K�.��ɵ�8��h���b�t�qR[)�Q���h�O�h%9�<��.����������%��Ýi-�"n�.�m��.���꫟�Ꮬ褝�w&�ˆ!d*xAY_&o��GHZ�����5h|\v�# \ !S� \ R�
09:23:23 <FireFly> segmentation fault.
09:23:32 <Taneb> `? ngevd
09:23:33 <HackEgo> ​=�7l��!jh]i��il+b���-56�j����C�7���d�!B�m�}Λ�cp!����M�M���o?.Jw�#�F��|@/��4"I���_ʣ7*�y�O�3�T��jbY>qE�ygC���|t�X��U�.���L�}v_H�1��U��t�p���oP2afb��o\���.�)�vU}�P��������ũ��¥@z`3>&�s-Ko��L����gzј���>���K}�`Z�BD����sɐw�P�H2�l:�°���z�4m�Z.�v�1��`�0z������6fOqC��|do�.b \ �����*_�ƧlPᚲ!UX� U^�� \ ��kG��S�l�
09:23:44 <Taneb> `run echo < wisdom/ngevd
09:23:44 <HackEgo> No output.
09:23:49 <slereah_> Nooo my segmentation ;w;
09:23:52 <Taneb> `run cat wisdom/ngevd
09:23:53 <HackEgo> ngevd is a fake wisdom entry. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼
09:24:28 <shachaf> ¡leave this file alone!
09:25:56 <shachaf> `? oerjan
09:25:57 <HackEgo> Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl.
09:26:08 <Taneb> Is empty = forever (return ()); (<A
09:26:10 <Taneb> ...
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09:26:45 <Taneb> a <|> b = run a and b concurrently and kill the one that finishes last
09:26:57 <Taneb> A valid definition for an Alternative instance for IO?
09:27:01 <slereah_> Guys let's make an APL clone with unicode as a character set
09:27:09 <slereah_> It will have ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS
09:27:18 <shachaf> `run sed -i 's/a lying/an antediluvian/' wisdom/oerjan
09:27:20 <HackEgo> No output.
09:27:25 <FireFly> uh I think APL is an APL clone with (a subset of) unicode as a character set
09:27:33 <slereah_> No subset!
09:27:38 <slereah_> ALL THE CHARACTERS
09:27:56 <FireFly> even the private-use characters
09:27:58 <shachaf> Taneb: I don't know, what are the laws?
09:27:58 <FireFly> ?
09:28:05 <Taneb> shachaf, essentially the monoid laws
09:28:07 <slereah_> All the existing characters
09:28:12 <shachaf> That's it?
09:28:21 <Taneb> Yeah :(
09:28:23 <shachaf> No "distributes over Applicative operators" or anything?
09:28:29 <Taneb> Nothing documented
09:28:42 <shachaf> what a scow
09:28:54 <slereah_> Not sure what the egyptian penis hieroglyph would be
09:29:03 <shachaf> Did you know: An Alternative is a monoid in the category of endofunctors?
09:29:24 <slereah_> Functor? I hardly know her
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09:36:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39750&oldid=39548 * 92.16.148.172 * (+155) /* Computing components */
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10:34:46 <slereah_> Wasn't there some assembly languages that had jump instructions for every instructions
10:34:54 <slereah_> Well, not assembly
10:34:56 <slereah_> Machine code
10:35:02 <slereah_> I seem to recall such things
10:35:19 <slereah_> You could make it read backward I guess
10:36:41 <boily> the story of mel?
10:36:51 <slereah_> yeah
10:37:07 <slereah_> Good ol' Mel
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10:53:22 <boily> @tell MDude hi! who are you? you were quoted!
10:53:22 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
10:54:19 <oerjan> itym @ask hth
10:55:59 <boily> @ask MDude I may have meant ask?
10:56:00 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
10:56:31 <oerjan> worst xkcd pun in recent memory
10:58:56 <boily> I like it. it is beautiful.
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11:26:31 <slereah_> it reminds me of http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/facebook-fan-20100225-062900.jpg
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11:40:32 <impomatic> mroman: The results from the Spring Core War Tournament are up :-) http://corewar.co.uk/spring2014.htm
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12:23:51 <oerjan> @check True
12:23:54 <lambdabot>  +++ OK, passed 1 tests.
12:24:08 <oerjan> @check \x -> isAlpha x == isLetter x
12:24:10 <lambdabot>  +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
12:24:14 <oerjan> @check \x -> isAlpha x == isLetter x
12:24:16 <lambdabot>  +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
12:25:28 <oerjan> > and [isAlpha x == isLetter x | x <- [minBound..maxBound]]
12:25:31 <lambdabot>  True
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12:48:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[RAGE!!!]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39751&oldid=35531 * Malltog * (+415) Marked 'interpreter' as compiler (the interpreting is left to system python) and upgraded it a bit
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12:56:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:RAGE!!!]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39752&oldid=37831 * Malltog * (+575) 
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17:16:15 <Taneb> ADVICE
17:16:17 <Taneb> Do not climb trees with green bark
17:16:33 <FireFly> Thanks for the advice
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17:16:57 <Taneb> I am down to zero clean pairs of trousers
17:20:32 <fizzie> I am in room number 404.
17:20:52 <fizzie> I keep not finding it and walking past the door.
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17:27:59 <FireFly> Good thing it isn't 402
17:34:17 <fizzie> It's a hotel room, so it kind-of is.
17:34:34 <fizzie> For 403 I probably just wouldn't get the door open.
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17:45:02 <Taneb> I feel pretty crap
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17:53:41 * Melvar learns of another -l pun: libottery.
17:58:27 <newsham> -lol
17:58:50 <newsham> -Lame -lib
17:59:47 <newsham> ittle/libibrary.a ?
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18:27:16 <Melvar> newsham: I mean, that are actual libraries.
18:27:29 <kmc> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/3/17/525  "This feature encodes Oops messages into a QR barcode that is scannable by any device with a camera."
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18:35:05 <FireFly> eh
18:35:12 <FireFly> that is kind of neat
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20:07:06 <oerjan> `addquote <fizzie> I am in room number 404.  <fizzie> I keep not finding it and walking past the door.
20:07:08 <HackEgo> 1203) <fizzie> I am in room number 404.  <fizzie> I keep not finding it and walking past the door.
20:08:19 <kmc> >_<
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20:21:03 <shachaf> `quote
20:21:03 <shachaf> `quote
20:21:03 <shachaf> `quote
20:21:03 <HackEgo> 439) <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds?
20:21:04 <HackEgo> 42) <ehird> no Deewiant  <Deewiant> No?!  <Deewiant> I've been living a lie  <ehird> yep.  <Deewiant> Excuse me while I jump out of the window ->
20:21:04 <HackEgo> 423) <Sgeo> My memory passed  <monqy> rest in peace sgeos memory
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20:25:16 <FireFly> fungot: pumpkin seeds?
20:25:17 <fungot> FireFly: e405 program rejected for mental health reasons. icktemp on djgpp, where the preceding statement finishes executing. ( if an attempt is made to reverse-assign the same capital letters can be of either datatype ( that is `next'ed to and nor or ( which is not the while as a method of installing them).
20:25:43 <FireFly> ^style
20:25:43 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic* irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
20:26:06 <FireFly> the INTERCAL manual doesn't make for a good wordset, apparently
20:27:35 <FireFly> ^style irc
20:27:35 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
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20:27:35 <FireFly> fungot: þe olde irc style
20:27:35 <fungot> FireFly: your client is broken." :)
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20:45:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BF Joust strategies]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39754&oldid=39705 * Oj742 * (-119) 
20:46:48 <Taneb> Is a group homomorphism what it sounds like
20:47:55 <oerjan> what do you think it sounds like
20:47:56 <Bicyclidine> a homomorphism between groups?
20:49:00 <Taneb> A mapping, f, from a Group(+, G) to a Group (*, H) such that f(x) * f(y) = f(x + y)?
20:49:27 <oerjan> that would be correct.
20:49:48 <kmc> and f(0) = 1 (in your notation)
20:49:50 <kmc> but maybe that follows?
20:49:56 <oerjan> that follows.
20:49:58 <Bicyclidine> according to wikipedia
20:49:59 <kmc> kewl
20:50:16 <shachaf> a group homomorphism is just a functor
20:50:20 <shachaf> a group action is also just a functor
20:50:21 <shachaf> hth
20:50:24 <Taneb> kmc, I just used + and * because they are easy to write on a keyboard
20:50:31 <Taneb> shachaf, what is a group action
20:50:40 <shachaf> a functor hth
20:50:45 <Taneb> Also what is the standard acronym meaning "I would like a hth please"
20:50:59 <oerjan> iwlahp hth
20:51:05 <kmc> i,i algebraists do it in groups
20:51:06 <shachaf> in particular a functor : G -> Set, where G is your group
20:51:24 <Bicyclidine> "I want help"?
20:51:25 <shachaf> (represented as a category (groupoid) with one object)
20:51:30 <Bicyclidine> just atlk like a fucking human being you fucking nerd
20:51:58 <Taneb> oerjan, tdh thx
20:52:01 <kmc> Bicyclidine: o_O
20:52:02 <oerjan> Taneb: homomorphism for groups is just a special case of homomorphism for a universal algebra with arbitrary operations
20:52:03 <shachaf> Bicyclidine: :-(
20:52:25 <FireFly> it took me a second to realise "atlk" wasn't another obscure acronym
20:52:34 <Taneb> oerjan, imagine that I don't officially learn this until next year
20:52:41 <Bicyclidine> God Damn It
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20:53:32 <Taneb> Reading a textbook on Category Theory
20:53:50 <oerjan> Taneb: i don't think i _ever_ officially learned universal algebra hth
20:54:03 <oerjan> but it was so cool i had to pick up some
20:54:09 <shachaf> i don't think ever even learned regular algebra hth :'(
20:54:10 <Taneb> Am I right in thinking that matrix multiplication is an example of a semi-additive category?
20:54:46 <oerjan> Taneb: i suspect you can drop the semi
20:55:02 <Taneb> oerjan, I... can!
20:55:42 <oerjan> matrix multiplication is isomorphic to the category of finite-dimensional vector spaces
20:56:30 <Bicyclidine> psh finite
20:57:00 <oerjan> ", and so we can alternatively define an additive category to be a semiadditive category having the property that every morphism has an additive inverse."
20:57:12 <oerjan> and matrices have negatives, q.e.d.
20:58:34 <oerjan> "The algebra of matrices over a ring, thought of as a category as described below, is also additive."
21:00:30 <oerjan> Taneb: actually strengthen that to "abelian category", i see nothing infinite in the definition of that either
21:01:07 <oerjan> "As special cases of the two previous examples: the category of vector spaces over a fixed field k is abelian, as is the category of finite-dimensional vector spaces over k."
21:01:27 <Taneb> oerjan, I'm not up to abelian categories
21:04:02 <oerjan> they're what you need to start doing homological algebra hth
21:04:42 <oerjan> (you'll probably _never_ get up to that *MWAHAHAHA*)
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21:08:16 <Bicyclidine> man electrical engineers really dig infintesimals, wtf
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21:21:26 <shachaf> whoa, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union-closed_sets_conjecture
21:22:59 <Bicyclidine> that's... weird.
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22:38:40 <Taneb> http://imgur.com/82wfP6h
22:42:14 <Bicyclidine> oops.
22:43:53 <fowl> i'm american, whats the problem
22:44:31 <fowl> that looks correct :x
22:44:56 <Bicyclidine> finland and norway are switched.
22:44:59 <Bicyclidine> (i had to look it up)
22:44:59 <Slereah> Taneb : Close enough
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22:55:19 <FireFly> To be fair, if you gave me a map of some random US state and its neighbours I wouldn't be able to tell whether two of the states' names were switched
22:55:40 <Taneb> Oh, I definitely wouldn't
22:55:40 <FireFly> although if I were annotating maps of US states I would probably look it up
22:55:46 <Taneb> Some parts of Europe I get wrong
22:55:55 <Taneb> Most counties of England I'd get wrong
22:56:07 <fowl> i dont care about things outside of my bubble
22:56:07 <Bicyclidine> "To my surprise, the M-function mex calls a Perl function, which parses (not calls!) a BAT file" help me
22:56:08 <fowl> sue me
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23:09:06 <int-e> . o O ( Would next Tuesday be convenient for you? Yes? Great, see you in court then! )
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