< 1398902431 814926 :CodingBat!57401cdf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.28.223 QUIT : < 1398902910 754384 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398903611 719175 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1398903748 452175 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398905495 729850 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-22.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398905998 679932 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398906033 915255 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1398906194 755057 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-136-22.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1398907144 229045 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398907177 792280 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398907242 815207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398907434 951453 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398907532 49033 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/function/package-summary.html < 1398908187 843461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful < 1398908366 711689 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398908394 700007 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398908620 646558 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398909323 239400 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398909350 738824 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398909450 834568 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1398909886 942443 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1398911139 185913 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398912032 693428 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398913280 791928 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398913563 878419 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398913567 385936 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1398916771 124203 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398917143 35118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/function/Supplier.html < 1398917145 560746 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How functional. < 1398917175 990902 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, so it makes perfect sense in any impure language) < 1398917242 960214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Java 8 out yet? < 1398917280 333086 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1398917286 258444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1398917295 382959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :java has lambda now < 1398917331 950416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly the future is upon us < 1398917357 75501 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The CheckPerson interface is a functional interface. A functional interface is any interface that contains only one abstract method. (A functional interface may contain one or more default methods or static methods.) Because a functional interface contains only one abstract method, you can omit the name of that method when you implement it." incredible imo < 1398917532 333107 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :roster.stream().filter(p -> p.getGender() == Person.Sex.MALE && p.getAge() >= 18 && p.getAge() <= 25).map(p -> p.getEmailAddress()).forEach(email -> System.out.println(email)); < 1398917544 530851 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :love me some dot chains < 1398917615 872709 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without syntax support there tends to be difficulty interleaving multiple sources in a non-ugly (syntactically) way, what does that look like here? < 1398917716 174355 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"local variables referenced from a lambda expression must be final or effectively final" weak < 1398917797 748692 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty excited to find out if "effectively final" is supposed to be reliable < 1398917926 427506 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398918436 807821 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1398919079 357119 :password2!~password@197.78.155.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398919178 727220 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398919208 428173 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1398919212 724693 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398920769 510588 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398920797 698914 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398921559 930008 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398921949 393950 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398922760 832724 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398922788 709572 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398923521 72015 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1398924031 12157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean mutability inference < 1398924128 603439 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently < 1398924140 303215 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't find a solid definition before i got bored < 1398924153 412465 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically "it could be declared final no problem" < 1398924383 126663 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1398924803 585341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i used Sgeo as a verb would people understand what i mean < 1398924887 904064 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1398925043 830337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to do with every language beingc close to perfect but no cigar < 1398926209 379524 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1398926773 114832 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398926800 627538 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398926975 332345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A local variable or a method, constructor, lambda, or exception parameter is effectively final if it is not declared final but it never occurs as the left hand operand of an assignment operator (§15.26) or as the operand of a prefix or postfix increment or decrement operator (§15.14, §15.15)." < 1398927006 924228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In addition, a local variable whose declaration lacks an initializer is effectively final if all of the following are true: * It is not declared final. * Whenever it occurs as the left-hand operand of an assignment operator, it is definitely unassigned and not definitely assigned before the assignment; that is, it is definitely unassigned and not definitely assigned after the right-hand ... < 1398927012 932863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... operand of the assignment (§16 (Definite Assignment)). * It never occurs as the operand of a prefix or postfix increment or decrement operator." < 1398927015 937661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you were wondering. < 1398927102 18565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition (npi) of definite assingment is unfortunately too long to quote. < 1398927124 451131 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :very exciting. < 1398927140 103678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1398927149 348040 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gday oerjan < 1398927164 956636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be in your country in two days! < 1398927215 68313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1398927223 466205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, charming! < 1398927288 802574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might even have to eat your food < 1398927302 689911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean...your country's food < 1398927317 847921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good clarification. < 1398927422 432980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double letters are my nemesis < 1398927448 93620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be avoiding it though, since i hear it costs half a day's dsalary to get dinner < 1398927506 408745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i was wondering if it was still season for skreimølje < 1398927539 282789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also realizes he hasn't eaten it himself in a long time < 1398927579 75600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you being stalked by the evil ZZ? < 1398927639 726765 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398927657 114191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i came back here and misread my own statement as "fancy C++ mushrooms" < 1398927658 847981 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1191) i came back here and misread my own statement as "fancy C++ mushrooms" < 1398927778 765100 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is skrei < 1398927824 163163 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reverse of ierks < 1398927848 896635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeerks? aaaaaaaah!!! < 1398927874 818457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cod, except not just any cod, but the best kind < 1398927927 817073 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that sounds safer. < 1398927948 985079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is norwegian national liquor < 1398927964 242262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aquavit < 1398928042 149213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try it even if its bad < 1398928136 300487 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398928155 955210 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try it some time. < 1398928165 123168 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398928629 251455 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398928769 693149 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1398928939 763969 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it shouldn't even be possible to write a forall f. (Functor f) => f a -> a < 1398929096 779655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: waiting < 1398929112 148423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: consider f = Const b < 1398929141 674770 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be = isn't < 1398929142 838762 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, < 1398929148 767316 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do I deal with this: < 1398929154 335092 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> class Walk p => Settable p where < 1398929154 482601 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mapping :: Functor f => p a b -> p (f a) (f b) < 1398929155 757203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1398929155 904347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (p1 ~ (->)) < 1398929156 51717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Base.Functor f) < 1398929156 51800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of < 1398929156 51836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : it :: GHC.Base.Functor f => p a b -> p (f a) (f b) < 1398929157 757994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : at Top level < 1398929162 222378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: PARSE ERROR < 1398929180 289261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, can you use ~ on non-* kinds < 1398929205 689889 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how would I dimap on the result of that mapping? < 1398929218 656034 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like I would have to write a (Functor f) => f a -> a < 1398929238 966069 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I wanted another p a b < 1398929281 203472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um that's a class it's not supposed to be implementable for all p is it? < 1398929318 674441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (->) it would be the usual fmap, no? < 1398929323 992847 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not asking for a fully general implementation, just trying to see how to use it to implement a... setter, I think < 1398929337 712289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even doing < 1398929343 655457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, never mind, don't answer that < 1398929346 883125 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may be pattern matching the dimap on usage of whatever a bit excessively < 1398929357 873328 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f g -> dimap blah blah . first' < 1398929359 699217 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1398929533 772874 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make class definitions in lambdabot? < 1398929556 953016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I do need the walk instance, which I don't understand yet < 1398929763 857133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: with @let class ... < 1398930183 834298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, happy International Workers' Day, you filthy capitalist americans! < 1398931194 728872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy hug day < 1398931247 262867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find your calendar to be off https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hug_Day < 1398931299 905116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm referring to international hug day, obviously < 1398931307 413234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1398931319 413084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid wikipedia redirects hug day to that. < 1398931343 859376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo linux should support hug pages < 1398931392 354720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :machines cannot hug. right fungot? < 1398931392 501942 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there now ensued a mighty fnord and foaming in the noisome pits; the awful formula which had yielded such nameless fnord the message in ordinary english. i boarded it and looked vainly about for the light fnord as i was pushed slowly and inexorably toward the < 1398931394 174132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day is hug day < 1398931415 83854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, fungot cares nothing for hugs. < 1398931415 253779 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they now slid along at great speed, once passing and fnord another galley of kindred form, but generally it would produce no effect at all, but floated easily in the blue harbour, and watched at the head of the glen. someone telephoned the news to others and gather such troops as might be necessary. < 1398931416 906653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://pbfcomics.com/115/ < 1398931422 396838 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: international free hugs day is reportedly july 5 this year < 1398931432 767497 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your day is for nonfree hugs < 1398931438 378602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cofree hugs < 1398931439 919629 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't seem great < 1398931448 520864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in hugs < 1398931506 50368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :free hugs were invented when somebody left adjoint where a mathematician could find it < 1398931563 225227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, today is hug day, ok < 1398931566 70599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i say so < 1398931572 696597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm at least as reliable on this matter as wikipedia < 1398931637 858261 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like this day is pretty heavily booked already < 1398931668 151769 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with generic-month-change-thigns and maypoles and international workers and outdoor fucking starts today < 1398931729 834466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, it's pay-rent-day or something < 1398932031 970082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailman reminder day < 1398932237 103233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1398932289 919524 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy shachaf hug day < 1398932301 547112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day is kmc hug day < 1398932318 785324 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is every day hug kmc? < 1398932321 75062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :day < 1398932326 819706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1398932329 505459 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1398932333 514547 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1398932335 29153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1398932338 794212 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not mean to part < 1398932345 610789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I was going to say < 1398932359 757821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm sorry I haven't hugged you on any hug kmc day so far, kmc! < 1398932368 824658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1398932371 107465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs Taneb < 1398932453 819080 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1398932612 905240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: when you come to bayhac we can have a special hugs group where we refuse to use ghc and also we hug people < 1398932619 53927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaaaaaay < 1398932630 357793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc probably won't be there though i heard he was invited or something < 1398932653 714730 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it will be a long time before I can bayhac < 1398932658 628152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am slightly on the wrong continent < 1398932668 692533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And too much a student to be able to afford things < 1398933361 546931 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys should meet halfway in waterloo < 1398934076 700756 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398934365 218611 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1398934913 142427 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1398935000 864798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What were the restrictions on .fi domains, again? < 1398935014 531388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two-letter domains were generally reserved? < 1398935055 348206 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://domain.fi/info/en/index/hakeminen/kukavoihakea.html < 1398935145 623503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 to 63 characters < 1398935146 574788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1398935147 592556 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. The last time i looked, a domain consisting of some arbitrary digit and some arbitrary letter was free. I ended up picking heh.fi. < 1398935174 847361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :roconnor has r6.ca < 1398935191 576669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of using that pattern but I'm not so sure. < 1398935397 151249 :password2!~password@197.78.155.208 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398935507 397023 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s6.fi is free. < 1398935518 543720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1398935541 394516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But previously I tried to register a reserved domain name and it showed up as "free" and failed after taking my payment.) < 1398935556 625774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which was refunded to my account as registrar credit. But still.) < 1398935670 610143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s6 is slightly difficult to pronounce. < 1398935724 946111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like "Essex". < 1398935737 149207 :password2!~password@197.78.185.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398935743 395156 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, /æsku:si/ < 1398935783 702069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1398935806 777773 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or /æsku:s/ in spoken Finnish < 1398935824 390944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo swedish would also be valid < 1398935951 625422 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-dkduvjgkrnyfapeg JOIN :#esoteric < 1398935951 801776 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-dkduvjgkrnyfapeg QUIT :Changing host < 1398935951 801847 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1398936193 672420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :6f might be another option... < 1398936224 426878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably starting with a digit is a bad idea. < 1398936870 492621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398937218 208608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with low-contrast UI design? < 1398937222 298393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complete scow. < 1398937273 806855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's so we know who to put against the wall when the revolution comes hth < 1398938070 200961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's for people who buy modern displays and still set them to 100% contrast, 100% brightness. < 1398938189 541769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've never heard of low contrast UI design before.) < 1398938198 410456 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398938264 153939 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1398939286 838373 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398939345 598303 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1398939857 594261 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF9106E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1398939857 867632 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF9106E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1398939858 15423 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1398940747 203547 :password2!~password@197.78.185.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398941550 849043 :password2!~password@197.78.185.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398941847 304042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1398942132 98672 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DISSOLVED CHICKEN < 1398943498 598955 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good afternoon, #esoteric < 1398943505 934643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoon < 1398943515 848101 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoon < 1398943521 479638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoying the long weekend, if you have one? < 1398943563 291929 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stupidly didn't take tomorrow off, so it's a very short weekend today < 1398943580 948759 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe I have much time off at all < 1398943595 727691 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although right now I don't seem to have much time on, either < 1398944400 642730 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this weekend special? < 1398944753 123297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, there's going to be a zoo opening in my university to relieve exam stress < 1398944810 912332 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can watch animals in prison < 1398944820 628631 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will relax you < 1398944969 610347 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-129-222.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398945055 917490 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-129-222.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398945150 388667 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1398945336 479431 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398945418 668813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could go and do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ12DDe4ag0&t=42s < 1398947269 874411 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone here is interested in the history of computer viruses, but I can't remember who... < 1398947286 413026 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll just leave this here :-) http://corewar.co.uk/creeper.htm < 1398947350 441380 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the one did not explode < 1398947392 161673 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1398947419 523308 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398947617 396685 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic : I like how it seems to be written on a receipt < 1398947617 960947 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, nothing like that. Most users wouldn't even be away it had visited. < 1398947654 385747 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aware ? < 1398947665 592952 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: greenbar listing paper! < 1398947728 263865 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading a PhD thesis written in the 60's < 1398947732 620756 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entirely on typewriters < 1398947736 474853 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of theoretical physics < 1398947745 519331 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading quantum mechanics on typewriter isn't fun < 1398947756 999297 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I'm rubbish at multitasking! Results in typos, talking nonsense, etc :-D < 1398947901 406835 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398948026 171216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write more things on typewriter < 1398948066 631054 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you posses one? < 1398948069 352859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1398948102 322966 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are replacement "ink tapes" still available? < 1398948107 260809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1398948230 628612 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware < 1398948239 764806 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NSA will steal your ribbons < 1398948256 843367 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that just with electric ones? < 1398948279 498639 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just with the mechanical ones < 1398948524 440724 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the electricity scares the NSA away < 1398948684 595598 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cizodljuqjovagqe QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1398948744 610311 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398949564 603119 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398949970 487781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398950139 544624 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaper_(antivirus) is one the most inaccurate pages I've seen on Wikipedia! 21 errors in 24 sentences. < 1398950171 104822 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398950183 8071 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would fix it, but my Spanish isn't up to scratch. < 1398950364 65620 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"En este suceso esta inspirado el enemigo final de la serie de anime Digimon Tamers" vital facts < 1398950375 175510 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398950383 787475 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.stackexchange.com/a/261036 "int 1/(x+1) dx = int 1/x + 1/1 dx = int 1/x dx + int 1/1 dx = log x + log 1 = log (x+1) + C" < 1398950779 2349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1398950817 127192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: http://www.xkcd.com/759/ < 1398950833 465493 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-245.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398950931 480875 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398951062 707350 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398951212 229860 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long ago the minecraft side-channel was actually used < 1398951241 509525 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what minecraft side-channel? < 1398951273 129839 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have our own minecraft server! < 1398951296 375456 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, interesting < 1398951764 596171 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398952407 647707 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398953879 467379 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 254 seconds < 1398954378 699718 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1398955472 532605 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398955649 886887 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398957179 951220 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1398957419 658635 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398957419 899243 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398957503 903093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to ramble about data structures for a bit < 1398957513 32201 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a bit of caffeine and sugar so this may not make sense < 1398957569 494428 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by a bit of sugar, I mean it says on the bottle that in 250ml there's 29% of the RDA for an average adult) < 1398957582 648311 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've had about 7 times that) < 1398957628 63746 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398957653 436623 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I want to have some sort of queue < 1398957664 879248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also want to be able to move things to the back of the queue? < 1398957666 821648 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398957743 704883 :nucular_!~MOO@p4FF9106E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1398957751 126668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's less of a queue and more of a "everything has an associated time" < 1398957770 585733 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398957885 496237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the queue is sorted by the associated time? sounds like a priority queue < 1398957931 334509 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of those are not great at removing/re-queueing items but rather made for popping the head of the queue < 1398958155 106775 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khmrzysgkwjmxwmm JOIN :#esoteric < 1398958478 899031 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming | http://youtu.be/m-wQhSuf6mM?t=1m50s < 1398958581 855602 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398958761 421046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ramble more but then I played QWOP for a bit < 1398959143 847494 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398959274 845950 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398959699 695720 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398959870 732379 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1398960398 869244 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know what my gf is talking about? < 1398960453 681571 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100000 individual videos on Youtube uploaded over the last two year, all showing a shape and a colour. She said it's part of a code? < 1398960733 601058 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27238332 - weird < 1398961200 759757 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398961234 694282 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398961375 285085 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398961402 704600 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398962086 249673 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1398962590 785233 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398962647 6397 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would anyone happen to be familiar with openGL and also good design practices in C#? < 1398962670 543082 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure where else I would find someone to get advice from < 1398962700 804803 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you change your nick to spirity? < 1398962705 804358 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1398962767 144961 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398962773 573337 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398962826 514643 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I'm creating a class that wraps an openGL buffer objects < 1398962848 225780 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-an < 1398962888 354086 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so most operations on buffers in openGL require that you bind a buffer as active < 1398963013 120096 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a VertexBuffer Bind method that takes an Action callback. BoundVertexBuffer is a (public) nested type inside VertexBuffer that exposes OpenGL calls which require a bound buffer < 1398963062 635235 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly public nested types are bad practice, but I'm not really seeing the drawback of using one here. < 1398963064 329088 :CodingBat!5bb26932@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.178.105.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398963107 181500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they bad? < 1398963133 565422 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know man. That's why I'm using it. :P < 1398963145 781619 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping someone could convince me that they're bad or show me a different way. < 1398963150 431975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law < 1398963213 52766 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1398963222 310446 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenGL has to be the most confusing thing I've ever attempted to use. < 1398963340 267426 :nucular_!~MOO@p4FF9106E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :nucular < 1398963359 432294 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF9106E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1398963359 579546 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1398963476 170246 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398963608 613948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398963686 528344 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398963715 710790 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398964556 167542 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1398964983 304529 :CodingBat!5bb26932@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.178.105.50 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1398965462 541093 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1398965622 212944 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398966109 665802 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1398967429 544877 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398968183 450252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398968391 422317 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398969231 768469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398969602 996968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I just looked out of the window and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140501-sunset.jpg < 1398969620 835096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're at a place.) < 1398969659 803258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1398969751 137054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably compensating for the day being quite rainy. < 1398970018 245830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398970904 766064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398973929 446817 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1398974430 230555 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1398974694 271194 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1398975744 493786 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398976221 359497 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1398976222 136888 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-245.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398976646 967777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Lucasieks14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39431&oldid=37909 5* 03Lucasieks 5* (-491) 10Replaced content with "Talk with me clicking on ' ''add topic'' '." < 1398977684 17667 :impomatic!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398978072 676012 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398978982 867730 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1398979106 741270 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398979106 888535 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398979206 433688 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398979376 783139 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398979631 692661 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1398980228 368154 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to phone < 1398981472 140455 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398981524 121967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1398981855 387238 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398982380 316220 :CodingBat!57403be9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.59.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398983765 376358 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398983928 395312 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1398983928 542280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 2d 22h 45m 4s ago: `` echo 'A mathematimu is a quantum of mathematics. If you observe it, its codepoint can change.' >wisdom/mathematimu <-- WHY DID I EVEN BOTHER TO MAKE `learn UNDERSTAND ARTICLES < 1398983952 60797 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hellørjan. because I am dumb. < 1398983961 691754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1398983985 65964 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I mistrust any sign of intelligence and practicality coming from the Silicon World. yes, fungot, I'm looking at you.) < 1398983985 231481 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: of my frantic ascent of the slope whose presiding demon beckoned to me with pale faces when they saw the slim, deceptively fnord figure with its yellow hair and blue eyes, who are you?' a very strange person, believed to have been. < 1398984016 43934 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :f-ngot needs a couple seconds delay < 1398984020 348250 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: my figure isn't that fnordish, you know. I've been training! also, I'm boily. < 1398984020 496398 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: published in march 1924 in weird tales, vol. fnord, 44, fnord: arkham house, fnord < 1398984048 96144 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fellowl. < 1398984052 652175 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive always wanted an irc bot to sit in #(programming language channel) and ask questions that have been asked before < 1398984075 798223 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellos < 1398984108 572981 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a reverse-robot9000? < 1398984150 824232 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could always start with #haskell, and periodically post “have you read ?” < 1398984225 563434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a way to get banned. < 1398984325 614472 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard of the work of our Lord Brainfuck-Derivative? < 1398984375 629566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't get banned from #haskell for being unhelpful < 1398984384 507191 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398984387 984020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: see http://dev.stephendiehl.com/hask/#eightfold-path-to-monad-satori < 1398984445 537390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aww < 1398984448 82094 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look on the bright side, you'll get some humans banned as well. < 1398984450 508161 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bummer. < 1398984468 188545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if I was in charge... < 1398984485 519767 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: なるほど。 < 1398985428 866738 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. still hearing opera singing coming over from the next apartment. I really wonder who the lady is... < 1398985554 428307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1398985593 484251 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1398985651 220350 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398985670 525285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is canada < 1398985674 148042 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold. < 1398985676 176986 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. < 1398985683 699869 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398985688 491963 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JE VEUX QU'IL FASSE CHAUD, TAB*****! < 1398985704 629537 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it stopped raining today. < 1398985708 801140 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1398985709 401490 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 012300Z 22016KT 15SM FEW025 SCT090 BKN120 14/08 A2963 RMK CU1AC4AC1 CU TR SLP033 DENSITY ALT 300FT < 1398985776 474261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see metasepia still doesnt know how to translate metar to english :P < 1398985857 995718 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1398985862 262797 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :la la la my bot isn't vaporware it transcends mere unimplementation la la la ♪ < 1398985865 454935 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me what units that temp is in < 1398985871 471496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it was snowing here today hth < 1398985884 872401 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Celsius. < 1398985887 693829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1398985888 364505 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 012250Z 28015KT 9999 VCSH FEW010CB SCT014 SCT024 03/01 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 29014KT < 1398985901 768420 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but you live in a country that Exists. I don't have that luxury here. < 1398985904 978989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that doesnt look that cold < 1398985915 205187 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's an optical illusion. < 1398985944 134580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: whats your favorite europe < 1398986060 557457 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northern. < 1398986075 732941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which state < 1398986087 452401 :CodingBat!57403be9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.59.233 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1398986150 251938 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... that's a tough one... < 1398986153 136960 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iceland? < 1398986179 111134 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one < 1398986396 309961 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398986443 869396 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398986471 535112 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eritzap: did you ever go to Iceland? < 1398986488 808777 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never < 1398986501 68620 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why asking that? P: < 1398986523 312786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an air transit there once < 1398986580 67019 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you like stroopwaffeln < 1398986583 90634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eritzap: boily likes to confuse people, also it was mentioned just before you joined. < 1398986601 297629 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1398986628 503202 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck stroopwaffeln < 1398986629 279493 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1398986636 275412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells a belgian (it's the waffles) < 1398986661 273833 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck stroopwafel < 1398986661 690636 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stroopwafel (English translation: syrup waffle, treacle waffle, or caramel waffle; lit "syrup waffle") is a waffle made from two thin layers of baked dough with a caramel-like syrup filling in the middle. < 1398986681 537883 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the look of it, it sounds delicious. < 1398986704 183048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm those aren't belgian < 1398986783 581423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm en.wikipedia has an article on rømmegrøt but not rømmevaffel < 1398986815 645159 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell they aren't Belgian waffles, and I know my subject, I AM Belgian :U < 1398986826 996685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW IT < 1398986965 146155 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1398986975 543621 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eritzap: vlaming or wallon? < 1398987008 568602 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wallon < 1398987043 119665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The increasingly French speaking channel | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1398987058 227262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that should have been in french < 1398987061 638184 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increasingly French? :o < 1398987073 386104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eritzap: well you just increased it by one < 1398987090 151325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boily keeps swearing in quebecois thinking we don't understand < 1398987091 666623 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ça alors! < 1398987109 635051 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah tiens, c'est vrai qu'on est rendus avec plusieurs belges... < 1398987136 363931 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I REALLY need to bring back Roujo in the chännel. we're being out-frenchcanadianed.) < 1398987155 451491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i could try to send you some if you can't buy them there < 1398987194 151967 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, I think I think I could find some places over here that should sell them, but I expect them to be waaaaay overpriced. < 1398987237 784863 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to type and read english on the internet, so french is a bit unusual for me < 1398987239 967961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd have to find them myself first < 1398987248 103778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :starbucks has them sometimes < 1398987263 558460 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the supermarket occasionally < 1398987292 826977 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eritzap: that's a very belgian thing < 1398987309 882782 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: want me to send you something québécois on the way? < 1398987336 268803 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398987344 85508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what < 1398987379 942008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you send cuddles in the mail? the day that is possible, whoever does it will be rich < 1398987397 663993 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are cuddles particularly québécois < 1398987413 40299 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :quebecois cuddles are < 1398987442 631571 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1398987628 626811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a letter off from curdles < 1398987639 693410 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is raking his brain over trying to find something québécois, but not too heavy... < 1398987929 481112 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398987977 876089 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I found out computing additions using only logarithms and powers are impracticable < 1398988127 631185 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eritzap: did you take a look at SELECT.? → http://esolangs.org/wiki/SELECT < 1398988164 273117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job including the . in the name < 1398988176 316247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it doesnt have to be quebecois < 1398988186 611080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stroopwaffels are dutch < 1398988194 833538 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1398988246 867897 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Canadian, then. < 1398988271 487840 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vietnam < 1398988436 703024 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nem_chua.jpg ? < 1398988539 1038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it will definitely survive the postal system < 1398988621 102742 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we once tried mailing yak cheese from China. it didn't work. < 1398988651 290864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you gave me a craving for yak butter tea :( < 1398988655 440013 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well that's interesting < 1398988660 299313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid yaks. < 1398988672 873832 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't they live in a normal part of the world. < 1398988731 712285 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried YBT. it was. it was... < 1398988735 817458 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders in abject terror < 1398988766 751472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that delicious huh < 1398988788 69168 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes and fixes himself a stiff gin tonic... < 1398988917 324153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to remind haskellers here and especially edwardk that you can write {-# LANGUAGE Extension1, Extension2, Extension3, ... #-} hth < 1398989033 685129 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what? neoballs can't be sold in Canada/USA anymore? but I bought some last month!) < 1398989116 612276 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Sgeos a bit < 1398989131 265714 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1398989133 500093 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've been starting to get the impression that people consider that ugly < 1398989194 404502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1398989224 972219 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that's the case, or if people really did forget that that's possible < 1398989240 944232 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm jjust basing it on how common one extension per LANGUAGE pragma seems to be < 1398989259 984320 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1398989285 696146 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398989726 254122 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I deliberately don't < 1398989740 923883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1398989743 621597 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way when I grep -r LANGUAGE src I can take all the results, sort and uniq them < 1398989762 34174 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are smashed together that becomes awk-ward < 1398989780 835686 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how else would you make a nice ascending chain? < 1398989786 288767 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: that too < 1398989792 380771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1398989795 322534 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the reason was more to do with 'other-extensions:' for cabal < 1398989815 137903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Homfrog14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39432&oldid=37002 5* 03Homfrog 5* (-44) 10 < 1398989949 300251 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i tend to sort them by length < 1398990001 869812 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MyExtensionIsLongerThanYoursSoTheres < 1398990045 871266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff < 1398990619 622427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1398991128 123382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any deep reason that K_4 is planar and K_5 isn't? < 1398991145 819873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that for a torus there are hundreds of forbidden minors and the exact set isn't known (or wasn't at the time) < 1398991241 200572 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles. kuratowski's theorem? eh what do i know < 1398991274 488495 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398991402 447848 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398991575 619883 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is a torus forbidden mirror? < 1398991575 895880 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: after two more quarries the inhabited part of inquanok seemed to end the business, but i felt that i had no knowledge of what legrasse had learned of simon or jedediah orne of salem. with these men he was often at the ward home to be present when the detectives arrived. allen's destruction or imprisonment or curwen's if one might regard the tacit claim to reincarnation as valid he felt must be accomplished at any cost. a < 1398992480 392139 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398992579 801820 :_1_Shingeki3!~18820008@50.88.187.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398992597 511165 :_1_Shingeki3!~18820008@50.88.187.36 PART :#esoteric < 1398992714 428751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor, boily, not mirror < 1398992874 702552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a graph contains any of these graphs as a minor, it can't be embedded in a torus without edges crossing < 1398992900 453970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :H is called a minor of the graph G if H can be formed from G by deleting edges and vertices and by contracting edges < 1398992927 946746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's minors not subgraphs because (for example) K_5 is not planar, but clearly it doesn't become any more planar if you stick a node in the middle of each edge < 1398992981 485120 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this devastates me. < 1398993000 962879 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall quit and drown my sorrows in a dreamless sleep. < 1398993012 547722 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TOROÏDAL CHICKEN < 1398993016 57766 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398993029 174418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1398993954 693329 :password2!~password@197.78.185.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1398994484 336032 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398995647 745142 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1398995724 397290 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398995764 263584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1398995765 714608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sansisesocoin ntchalcoin tomoufcoin scricoin baktecoin piralcoin sephcoin iincommodacoin braktivecoin tricoin brelumcoin luigcoin revicoin elpicoin excelumcoin wherimcoin brococoin suzcoin bankcoin etartricoin < 1398995769 253003 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398995967 697235 :Eritzap!57430c2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.12.45 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1398996046 812406 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1398996272 183801 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398996396 888266 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who here is an expert in biophysical applications of computational fluid dynamics < 1398996442 432639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me hth < 1398996526 736570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you an expert in biophysical applications of computational fluid dynamics < 1398996526 884962 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: his name with fnord fervour fnord. it was very < 1398996573 366092 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398996762 45584 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1398997932 447679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1398998078 497512 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398998572 177835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398999004 930349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1398999449 697927 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399000162 670925 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-174-161-59.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399000317 848368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what kind of biowhatsit are you doing < 1399000379 26140 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking at https://github.com/openworm/Smoothed-Particle-Hydrodynamics < 1399000397 410852 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-53-157.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399000475 965808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1399000482 750938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fork C. elegans on GitHub! < 1399000525 130962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openworm/openworm-a-digital-organism-in-your-browser < 1399000545 262865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it's low on details of how it actually does contraction, which is a bit irritating since the contraction simulation in my own lab is way, way, way different and i'm not sure how < 1399000584 390391 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'll have to ask on the......... mailing list < 1399000754 297293 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, i am sure how it's different. i don't know how to explain this. the methods are incredibly divergent < 1399000803 939443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399000839 601239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of tripping out on the idea that there's a kickstarter where the reward is an uploaded organism < 1399000893 789686 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how 'uploaded' it is. the connectome is obviously stable but i wonder where they get membrane parameters < 1399000944 110257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean for an initial state of the nervous system? < 1399001002 483675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what happens when you simulate inputs that are physically impossible < 1399001014 523310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallucinating, disembodied worms in your web browser < 1399001041 329154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if they are disembodied then they are hallucinating by definition. in a manner of speaking < 1399001058 539770 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have captured the full 3D morphology of the C. elegans connectome in NeuroML format, and we are currently working to integrate electro-physiology. " hm, so i guess they haven't yet < 1399001088 489468 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :includes the initial state and also the transitions, probably. membrane physics is hard :D < 1399001134 112899 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was talking with my boss's old boss today and he said modern physics is insufficient to model cells in enough detail < 1399001289 629421 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cytoplasm violates too many convenient assumptions~ < 1399001361 234333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang < 1399001387 777841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't know how particle physics is going, you could probably like, run the standard model < 1399001392 440959 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not very efficient" < 1399001436 550420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need a quantum computer < 1399001524 165390 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399001596 227239 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, one myosin molecule is probably, iunno, 50 kDa or some shit, so that's like a hundred thousand particles to simulate. and then a fibril's gonna have a few hundred of those < 1399001600 238587 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo sensible < 1399001807 216104 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well do quantum computers do at physics sims, anywho < 1399002325 918115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly they are good for simulating quantum mechanics < 1399002389 127641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sciencemag.org/content/273/5278/1073.abstract good abstract < 1399002414 481858 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :son of a fuck i don't have Science access for 96? fuck < 1399002503 691127 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02650179 hm i'll have to read this later < 1399002518 219436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :son of a fuck < 1399002772 683694 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: should focus a bit < 1399003087 680143 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1399003128 801850 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have any of you heard of Funge-98? < 1399003137 363729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399003145 944202 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who hasn't < 1399003152 189852 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1399003152 815503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1399003153 405778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would ask fungot but he left :( < 1399003154 16658 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1399003192 723586 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admire Funge-98 for it's audacity to think outside the box :) < 1399003377 723415 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399003480 138877 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most multidimensional languages do that < 1399003493 394208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think outside the box and inside the torus? < 1399003535 5431 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any programming language that requires topological reasoning is fine by me. < 1399003555 341493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we're in french now? ♫ debout, les damnés de la terre ♫ < 1399003565 68277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: you might like homotopy type theory < 1399003615 124209 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu, you sounded like a jehovas witness for befunge98 just then lol < 1399003637 329782 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard the good word of multidimensional programming? < 1399003684 891417 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a matter of fact, we currently have a project for building a compiler for rail < 1399004150 919506 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1399004207 529870 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399004224 55621 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: what kind of rail? < 1399004268 268574 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399004277 537402 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Rail that kind < 1399004478 795442 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hmm < 1399004507 507887 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1399004704 970528 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It works dammit! Leave me alone! < 1399004705 153834 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :causes heart bleed 2.0" < 1399004710 155233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But that didn't work" < 1399004715 33122 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It did what it was supposed to, and it did some more as well." < 1399004732 836764 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/24g6al/i_have_officially_failed_at_programming/ch76623 < 1399004763 914912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have arrived too late to play in the bleeding heart show < 1399005267 343943 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1399005347 679144 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1399005419 574234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399005420 932824 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:myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it kinda cute < 1399007132 818086 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like "dude, did you hear about brainfuck????" < 1399007337 441256 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399009848 731096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1399010136 747287 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399010936 480662 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1399011181 688667 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-174-161-59.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1399012202 347160 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399012283 257692 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khmrzysgkwjmxwmm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399014206 870420 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are campaigns to get governments to use 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02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39453&oldid=39431 5* 03Ehird 5* (+1034) 10restore thread + comment < 1399042214 426446 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-245.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399042481 812152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://esolangs.org/forum/forum/ should be http://esolangs.org/forum/ < 1399042585 209463 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399042980 318492 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1399043039 246671 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399043102 997591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1399043525 701961 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :/forum/ just links to /forum/forum/, though < 1399043847 882069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1399043862 629552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't < 1399043960 141893 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399044627 996504 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399045105 247357 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399045105 565310 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399046195 134407 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ebduotppywtlbsjj JOIN :#esoteric < 1399046233 371787 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399046497 957322 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399046660 933509 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Math test < 1399046830 35742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a fixed. < 1399046835 834116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it ended up nested like that. < 1399047548 529461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399048058 110643 :Eritzap!574002f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.2.245 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399048987 837759 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399049804 831403 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399050449 634763 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399050659 740823 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399050688 751753 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399050927 387085 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-139-206.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399051203 347899 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-139-206.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399051700 725565 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-222-134.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399051786 110689 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com NICK :shachaf < 1399051796 966574 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1399051797 113862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1399052017 534744 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399052306 877726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: prolly my fault < 1399052367 475158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, we bought a teapot. < 1399052446 824838 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399052452 875159 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bicyclidine < 1399052511 754785 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399052532 557424 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399052990 754743 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1399054228 681152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: No tea. < 1399054785 243846 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make a bong out of it < 1399054793 781204 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Class < 1399054806 292445 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits could help me make a bong out of it < 1399054868 308833 :Eritzap!5bb274b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.178.116.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399055023 804570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how bongable it is. < 1399055030 827885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess you can make one out of just about anything. < 1399055079 652791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one was in the hotel room, and it looked nice and useful, and they had one for sale in the reception. < 1399055097 905058 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399055121 254301 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399055159 848318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140502-teapot.jpg < 1399055180 249665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's the kind of a wire mesh tea-holder thing in the top hole.) < 1399055291 590272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399056211 962724 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1399056598 252171 :password2_!~password@197.78.134.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399057079 363861 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399057625 718957 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399057827 121511 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399058835 393872 :Eritzap!5bb274b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.178.116.177 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399060541 602224 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can boil water in that to reconstitute cup of noodle or such < 1399060561 604329 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it appears to also be a kettle < 1399060683 631353 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/michaeljhudson/status/462103006410858496/photo/1/large xD < 1399060693 28776 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399060763 957500 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399060784 732128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a Microsoft product or just branded swag < 1399060795 657707 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :implications are painful < 1399060879 509869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with products having several uses < 1399060949 382820 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is: where do you get 4 spherical usb covers < 1399060950 475022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those exposed ports will be a problem though < 1399060957 69273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's iron, I don't know if it's really a kettle too. < 1399060963 224820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, officially. < 1399061008 503103 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ports is what i meant < 1399061031 303947 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean it's a purely decorational teapot? < 1399061035 659837 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems useless < 1399061061 643837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, I think the officially designated way is to pour hot water in it. < 1399061065 181804 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know, you can use them, but they are far from practical < 1399061080 284621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than putting it on a stove or some such. < 1399061088 232909 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those pots tend to get pretty hot < 1399061117 889362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since it doesn't seem to have any parts that are not cast iron, you could use a pole and put it on an open fire or something. < 1399061129 922091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mixing of conversations here is amusincg < 1399061138 204376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The handle didn't seem to get especially hot, anyway. < 1399061164 832318 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what mixing? :p < 1399061165 188334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the hotel had a regular whatchamacallit, water-boil-o-mater. < 1399061168 497007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yes, things that go in your butt should not have exposed ports < 1399061175 532107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex toys are the killer app for inductive charging < 1399061184 248601 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1399061208 663755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's unclear about that statement < 1399061256 715223 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't say "unclear" < 1399061265 939132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if they could be inductively charged/powered while in use too, should be theoretically possible I guess < 1399061298 883069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, cords are pretty great compared to uncharged batteries < 1399061336 859361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399061355 524271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much for insertable items though :P < 1399061458 125872 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399061465 887214 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used a metal teapot like that and it was fine. Didn't boil the water in it but I don't see why that wouldn't work. Cast iron is actually a very poor conductor of heat (as metals go). < 1399061508 269826 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess it's good enough to burn your hand < 1399061536 940097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a version of the We-Vibe that's powered by the, er, natural mechanical action of using it < 1399061555 736101 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :m, like a self-winding watch, very useful < 1399061573 755319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1399061574 418705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1399061590 442973 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't burn my hand on the handle, but it's not like using a potholder is terribly impractical. < 1399061597 893494 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a more serious side note: i do think they should do that for smartphones < 1399061615 915373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it charge fast enough? < 1399061664 374839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly not < 1399061676 31817 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, but it could expend the time between charging < 1399061692 854010 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you'd use a thermal charger instead, for one < 1399061704 313027 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: yeah < 1399061709 659112 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason to not do both < 1399061735 149186 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think phones touch the skin enough for a self-winder to be practical. < 1399061743 167573 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much as the idea of a phone with a mainspring amuses me < 1399061756 235290 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: you never played ingress, do you? < 1399061769 367778 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399061796 968022 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ARG? what are you, some kind of nerd? < 1399061816 253141 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1399061828 164081 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AR is best R < 1399061876 793547 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like more real than reality? < 1399061890 155369 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more than that! < 1399061906 764984 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: if you don't dislike anime, watch dennou coil < 1399062066 978913 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3683374135/c637bfc5e4055c9d3a6d007aa1297b24_400x400.jpeg no, i am the big anime fan < 1399062147 649964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find a teardown to get the battery capacity :/ < 1399063650 115159 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: play the oboe < 1399063650 443105 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: bloody hell. i totally missed it. :) < 1399065307 730861 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god, the guy who played Anakin in Episode I of Star Wars is 5 years older than me < 1399065310 715136 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399065360 863922 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1399065371 279627 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Powerlist14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39454 5* 03CodingBat 5* (+19915) 10Created the article < 1399065381 977773 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1399065412 507095 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399065543 276403 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399065594 397646 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399065845 725921 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-245.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399066577 398794 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399066616 675210 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399066682 370677 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399066720 702753 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1399066720 850238 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399066911 546540 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399067947 97998 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for ssl stuff, explicit_bzero is a function that the compiler refuses to optimize out, right? would a regular bzero be optimized out if, like, the variable goes out of scope after the call? < 1399068004 255786 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably yes < 1399068038 533775 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the smartness of the compiler but smart enough one would < 1399068090 547869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: explicit_bzero is openbsd-specific < 1399068095 902250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfyi < 1399068109 765407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but the idea of it, which ssl had independently of bsd for instance < 1399068148 19114 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that a real problem that everyone else ignores or are the bsd people just a bit crazy? < 1399068175 303244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BSD people aren't the only ones who do it, I don't think. < 1399068255 386745 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kqueue.org/blog/2012/03/05/memory-allocator-security-revisited/ right, so C is impossible < 1399068283 170193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399068336 104740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, nicely broken page, everything except the quoted code is blank < 1399068442 132215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to reload it for that to go away. < 1399068488 922865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that worked for me too < 1399068646 530243 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399068702 894377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Powerlist14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39455&oldid=39454 5* 03CodingBat 5* (+1487) 10Added categories and a proof of Turing-completeness < 1399069105 129856 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399069119 308179 :Eritzap!57400d9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.13.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399069217 305141 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399069359 60396 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-222-134.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399069541 736530 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-222-134.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399070084 797584 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399070828 120155 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399071164 245817 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1399071164 393144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1399071274 501581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o < 1399071286 101483 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1399071286 248946 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1399071286 609962 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1399071286 804762 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/´\ c.c /<   >\|   |    /`\ c.c /<     |     |\| >\ c.c /< < 1399071287 686700 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  /´¯|_)              /´\ < 1399071287 868449 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                (_|                 (_| |_) < 1399071334 324801 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. < 1399071352 348732 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strangely, you're still the only one I address in the vocative case.) < 1399071361 317529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbyely < 1399071366 773585 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I need to get some sleep) < 1399071400 697414 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if myndzi works on PM < 1399071432 921833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem like it :( < 1399071456 883933 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: please correct this outrageous and egregious bug asap twh kthxbye. < 1399071699 662820 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, have fun in Canadaland or wherever the hell you are < 1399071703 502183 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm off to bed < 1399072012 946136 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb I always am at Canada, modulo some rare lapses spent on other continents. < 1399072013 133526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399072603 853231 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Never go to the US < 1399072607 358572 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1399072632 780495 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1399072649 474278 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already went to the US. multiple times. on my own volition. < 1399072660 91583 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "I always am at Canada ... other continents." < 1399072689 553519 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Canada's a country, not a continent < 1399072709 845563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1399072719 240518 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only transit through the US. except when I was younger and we family-vacationed on the East Coast. < 1399072731 434541 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399073001 386422 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399073315 320686 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399073630 220423 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399074245 446499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where on the east coast? < 1399074496 703407 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Boston, Washington DC., Baltimore (nice aquarium by the way). Michigan too, but that's not quite eastcoastian. < 1399074507 991447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never saw the b'more aquarium < 1399074518 595360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boston has a pretty good one, but the best part was closed when I went :/ < 1399074534 36392 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an aquarium in boston and nobody told me? aaaaargh! < 1399074541 461296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1399074570 102175 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like aquariums. they have interesting floating things that move. < 1399074575 618902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399074578 155862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :osaka has a nice one < 1399074589 869235 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to the ōsaka one :D < 1399074595 226579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1399074646 582739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monterey bay aquarium is supposed to be one of the best, and it's not too far from where I live < 1399074649 634314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could bike there in two days < 1399074741 661084 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399074758 263690 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are tempting me with scenic places. < 1399074790 260000 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: clearly there's an aquarium in boston, since it has a subway station named after it < 1399074909 996737 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever used Boston's subway. < 1399075023 769894 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but according to the plan, I can get from Honoré-Beaugrand over to Lechmere through the Green Line Extension to Canada. < 1399075319 178738 :Eritzap!57400d9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.13.154 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399075781 583090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1399075791 675331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it true that gravity probe b was pointless? < 1399075811 253779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember reading that somewhere and being mildly sceptical but i've never been able to find another mention of it < 1399075921 33769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless cosmology < 1399076035 971568 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picture the Universe as having the shape of a grain of cottage cheese. < 1399076043 35665 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very large grain. < 1399076068 99795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet. What a fool I was to defy him. < 1399076178 324708 :Eritzap!57400d9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.13.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399076201 614517 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's a quote by hunter s thompson??? < 1399076206 106164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399076206 442213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha < 1399076207 735784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahaha < 1399076218 818322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i was writing that in the kerbal space program channel < 1399076237 700141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerbal space drugs < 1399076532 107335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399077688 318936 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1399077718 547977 :Eritzap!57400d9a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.13.154 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399078153 676837 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399078212 986997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39456&oldid=39421 5* 03CodingBat 5* (+16) 10Added Powerlist < 1399078318 245155 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399078696 911884 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when I seem to be reading some comments on reddit for the first time, and then a wild orange arrow appears, attached to a six month old comment. < 1399078715 218084 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles his memory back into working condition < 1399078957 965692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key to making good use of your memory is to forget such stuff you have no use for < 1399079010 335894 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. so... forgetting reddit comments is a good thing? < 1399079057 623025 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles himself up the head a few more times, just to be sure and drive the point home. «c'est pour... ow!... mon bien!» < 1399079094 735430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when I seem to be reading some comments on reddit < 1399079117 844198 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1399079230 38321 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpfh! phillistines... < 1399079656 985320 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1399079682 735722 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399079759 732151 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399079806 789955 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399080510 698563 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399080571 180314 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399082297 854401 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CHALLENGING CHICKEN < 1399082802 951504 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399083137 23107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399083138 536715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :resocoin umbercoin codecoin millcoin msgcoin hydrivarmycoin liccoin iincecoin brainvigatacoin quiercoin jgdcoin fadrompcoin hevercoin alcedcoin 960096coin ometcoin *coin cuylicoin blacrcoin mazacoin < 1399083313 376778 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :msgcoin < 1399083509 698721 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399083515 472083 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399083610 196824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom < 1399083896 761618 :pdurbin!~pdurbin@server1.greptilian.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399083901 972717 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1399084203 480413 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399084248 526084 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399084250 709270 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 NICK :nooodl < 1399084358 696272 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399084414 707231 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399085369 469045 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399086126 690616 :ludmilaa!~alumno@host223.190-226-89.telecom.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric < 1399086143 437222 :ludmilaa!~alumno@host223.190-226-89.telecom.net.ar PRIVMSG #esoteric :hol< < 1399086148 167026 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399086155 517080 :ludmilaa!~alumno@host223.190-226-89.telecom.net.ar PRIVMSG #esoteric :bika} < 1399086158 922737 :ludmilaa!~alumno@host223.190-226-89.telecom.net.ar PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1399086162 353273 :ludmilaa!~alumno@host223.190-226-89.telecom.net.ar PRIVMSG #esoteric :alguno de 13 < 1399086170 5803 :ludmilaa!~alumno@host223.190-226-89.telecom.net.ar PRIVMSG #esoteric :qe able españool?? 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< 1399100051 176936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goooood morning < 1399100058 824671 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399100242 92070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can you write a function :: forall k s t a b. (forall p. Profunctor p => (forall f x y. k f -> p x y -> p (f x) (f y)) -> p a b -> p s t) -> (exists f. k f) < 1399100259 829812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all about lenses these days, right < 1399100430 208914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a lens combinator which is analogous to the advanced cnidarian optics in the bio paper Bike linked < 1399100596 652302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I can't even make that typecheck and you've given me the signature < 1399100598 828664 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i use coq to show that box jelly lenses allow more visual acuity than is actually possible due to the retinal distance < 1399100681 780844 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's some sense in which proofs in the sciences are generally simpler than ones in mathematics, since the main 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:nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104413 885421 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104413 885494 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104413 885521 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104413 885546 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104413 885572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104413 885597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104529 114480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104619 152319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netsplits are fun < 1399104716 375449 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kjxlirmyejzdzfwt JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104716 524365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104716 524438 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104716 524466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104716 524492 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104716 524517 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104716 524542 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104716 524568 :jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1399104716 524593 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399105040 170597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://twitter.com/michaeljhudson/status/462103006410858496/photo/1/large xD <-- ok what is wrong with that or am i not getting a reference. < 1399105202 509889 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1399105206 383164 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like cloaca beads < 1399105224 195297 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just pooped a little < 1399105289 681455 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ThkQTo8-jI < 1399105358 915331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1399105384 170621 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1399105429 933493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it interesting that google suggests "cloaca beads" but shows up no relevant hits < 1399105505 164540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not doing safe search, do you? < 1399105506 48924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact putting it in quotes doesn't help. < 1399105516 88172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the thing where you have two representations of something, where one is a collection of arguments and the other is a polymorphic result after applying one argument? < 1399105520 589652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that applies to _text_ < 1399105521 612127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Yoneda and CoYoneda, Mu and Nu. < 1399105539 746156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it really does < 1399105552 663870 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1399105572 724845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Density and Codensity (only in one direction each) < 1399105578 641987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i definitely don't have safe search on. < 1399105594 258298 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1399105600 742694 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget u mammals have anuses instead of cloaca < 1399105604 242821 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd creatures < 1399105616 791367 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1399105635 671142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's fowl being foul < 1399105733 948373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm enlightened. < 1399105757 178117 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gratz < 1399106827 884742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it true that gravity probe b was pointless? <-- i also read that by the time they got any results, others had bypassed them in quality. < 1399106865 847307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they never managed to control the stray em fields as well as they wanted to, iirc < 1399106903 830903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover is it true that gravity probe b was pointless? <-- i also read that by the time they got any results, others had bypassed them in quality. because they never managed to control the stray em fields as well as they wanted to, iirc < 1399106903 977556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399106911 137647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you a kan extension expert < 1399106917 919671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely not. < 1399106947 92093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i don't think i've ever known the definition. < 1399107083 393604 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kjxlirmyejzdzfwt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399107161 819164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: it's a quote by hunter s thompson??? <-- somehow remided me of the first story in I, Robot < 1399107244 665157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one with the robot creating a religion worshipping an item in the space station < 1399107316 841906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, tem < 1399107342 196448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_(short_story) < 1399107357 900970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoilers, of course) < 1399107413 975674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if you link to the text of a short story, should you annotate the link with "(spoilers)"? < 1399107558 759569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conundrum < 1399107571 819933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reminded < 1399109150 10431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a word list with pronunciation metadata. < 1399109170 921149 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just switch to a more sane language < 1399109192 60648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. number of syllables, emphasis, rhyming or enough information that you can deduce rhyming... < 1399109241 871934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an unusually unhelpful answer. < 1399112212 452117 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399115156 797918 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399115815 301067 :kallisti!~adam@h128.3.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399115950 719663 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF9145A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399115950 891671 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF9145A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399115951 39304 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399116254 160907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399116918 573605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399117867 431176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a dictionary like http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/cmudict might help. < 1399118045 718249 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399118931 709635 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399119864 345326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the BEEP, and some others. < 1399119903 860349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://svr-www.eng.cam.ac.uk/comp.speech/Section1/Lexical/beep.html < 1399120242 451989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1399120309 98220 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bppftvdyuezmzbdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1399120717 744563 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399120744 699091 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399121302 518879 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399121656 72130 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399121727 372251 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399122234 246834 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399123108 970417 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399123995 692639 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399123998 696503 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. < 1399124753 919856 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399124855 739090 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. < 1399125036 331886 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1399125412 184718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Hey. < 1399125431 174279 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399125515 680400 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi! < 1399125519 728640 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thus. < 1399125691 12565 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys. < 1399125695 246700 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick question in BF. < 1399125701 278497 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1399125715 868976 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make it that the pointer moves according to the input. < 1399125722 44046 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aknwqbleatbesefm QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399125736 187536 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way I can think of is laying down a "1" to make a path. < 1399125760 113574 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, that would be a problem, because you might overwrite useful data. < 1399125797 603674 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much you can do about that < 1399125817 726014 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.... self modifying code's probably the only way then, huh? < 1399125839 21033 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self modifying code in BF... < 1399125841 136838 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my God. < 1399125855 889319 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even start thinking of what may happen. < 1399125877 764289 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: How about an array of IF statements? < 1399125896 749203 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called http://esolangs.org/wiki/Aura < 1399125961 188293 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: of course you can write self-modifying BF code :D just write a BF interpreter in BF, augment the innermost language spec with self-modifying instructions, then embed the code in the interpreter. < 1399125981 309175 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pointer moves according to the input"? < 1399125995 421380 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should use a higher-level language on top of BF anyway < 1399126012 56589 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I seriously don't know enough programming terms to talk properly. :< < 1399126033 660390 :JZTech102!jztech101@crabhost.org NICK :JZTEch101 < 1399126034 449034 :JZTEch101!jztech101@crabhost.org QUIT :Changing host < 1399126034 596254 :JZTEch101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399126035 380674 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mean an arbitrary amount. < 1399126104 678931 :JZTEch101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 NICK :JZTech101 < 1399126146 98383 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are brainfuck data structures, such as arrays. Some even use constant additional space. < 1399126146 853454 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm... < 1399126150 209575 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of a good way. < 1399126159 604018 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I "stole" it from someone. < 1399126185 251686 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa that's not really acceptable in the high-stakes legally fraught world of brainfuck programming, < 1399126198 476148 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol. < 1399126217 854004 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll have none of that "scare quoting" around here < 1399126256 344417 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really stealing though, because I just took his idea. < 1399126403 973704 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what if I use “fancy” «quotes»? < 1399126463 376681 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ahalqnxhiiohgapx JOIN :#esoteric < 1399126680 782166 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :„⎡Nope⎦” < 1399126786 591488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no self-modifying code in regular brainfuck. < 1399126841 780129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was sort-of pointed out, I guess. < 1399127635 362774 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399127838 247984 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399128886 727656 :password2!~password@197.78.143.224 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399129819 513636 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unless you put the cells in the same memory space with the instructions. < 1399131148 230950 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1399131688 246595 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nuculaway < 1399133062 767255 :password2!~password@197.78.173.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399134331 277978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but then it's not regular brainfuck. < 1399134381 521514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399135265 38158 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399135366 571174 :nuculaway!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nucular < 1399135655 99352 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399136315 629284 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1399136323 151734 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Good point. < 1399137265 70157 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:255794 #kmc < 1399137303 126535 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm modular < 1399137313 340845 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iso standard bonghits < 1399137487 775841 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBong? what has this poor world come to... < 1399137546 254418 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399137876 142833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399138084 687444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: you don't need self-modifying code, although you need at least two extra cells for shuffling things around with. < 1399138128 436188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest is to have extra cells between all pairs of "data" cells. < 1399138182 262531 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 NICK :nooodl < 1399138199 10134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fbrandel/ParisHilton.js < 1399138231 626749 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I already know how. < 1399138241 709921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1399138266 599697 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: heh :D < 1399138658 380540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : OpenBong? what has this poor world come to... <-- it could get worse, just consider the obvious letter substitution. < 1399138761 614659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gongs aren't bad, hth < 1399138893 266932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1399138932 261633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stackoverflow is so fickle. < 1399138972 616065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this answer with most votes but it isn't the accepted one. and earlier i got accepted an answer with zero points when someone else had more. < 1399138973 818832 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1399138974 515691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "song" - have people tried using 3d printers for making records? (needs more resolution than 3d printers usually have, but I think I like the idea) < 1399139221 501766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose the latter was because i answered a two day old question. < 1399139335 951734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OpenKong, for your giant primate needs < 1399139429 669773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399139552 286660 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amandaghassaei.com/3D_printed_record.html < 1399140145 495618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399140179 952945 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsLiV4WJfkTEHH0b9PmRklw < 1399140209 176828 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I reject your letter substitution and substitute my own. < 1399140264 794934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i didn't say what it was, how can you be sure you haven't just substituted it for itself twh < 1399140344 325860 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://makerlove.com < 1399140353 600542 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more interested with the substitutions between substitutions. kinda like a substitution functor. < 1399140412 465976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: covariant or contravariant? *gets hit by anvil dropped by overhead swallow* < 1399140435 523619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: conjugated actually < 1399140445 503326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how substitution on a substitution works if it's invertible < 1399140453 495845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i'm so not surprised. < 1399140472 526821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O KAY < 1399140630 685123 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Team < 1399140638 163562 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps < 1399140640 336811 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1399140649 416625 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maaa < 1399140659 212935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at the space bar < 1399140665 63406 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate virtual keyboars with a passio . < 1399140684 418905 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs his mechanical keyboard < 1399140722 482949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely thinks boily hugs a lot of things < 1399140746 577859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a side effect of this sanity he keeps speaking about. < 1399140771 311169 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one vaguely think? < 1399140807 413068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well you sorta like really in this way sometimes. < 1399140818 90827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're the expert here. < 1399140818 293014 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( that that there can be more than one < 1399140829 831446 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it's one of the perks of being sane. it opens up all kinds of thinking! < 1399140858 202374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i thought i was doing the vague thinking, and i don't recall making any claims of sanity. < 1399140895 741403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1399140896 408244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1399140908 159930 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot! my sanity is creeping up on oerjan ^^ < 1399140917 49012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1399140969 564660 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCO!?!?!? < 1399140982 435395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fate worse than too horrible too contemplate. < 1399140988 145019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: problems? < 1399140993 776490 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric : brb < 1399140998 403866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they added trollface to unicode yet < 1399141023 854574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode TROLL FACE < 1399141024 734996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399141035 278008 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was being idiotic with my typing, turns out something was manipulating le keypresses. < 1399141037 190580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointing. < 1399141052 930311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ghost in the machine < 1399141053 156651 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keypress is feminine. «la keypress». < 1399141078 846297 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even ealized I switched channels already. < 1399141090 246642 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck virtual keyboards. < 1399141097 564786 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1399141112 732773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode TROLLFACE < 1399141113 622958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399141114 854366 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you probably want U+1F638 GRINNING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES. < 1399141134 812396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't think that's the image i'm imagining. < 1399141136 377692 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...20-bit unicode? ._. < 1399141139 590125 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, HackEgo is on Python 2, therefore no shiny complete SMP support.) < 1399141146 4153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+1F638 < 1399141146 590813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​😸 < 1399141151 570007 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1399141168 816877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: WRONG < 1399141200 274554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode GRINNING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES < 1399141201 142574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F638 GRINNING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES \ UTF-8: f0 9f 98 b8 UTF-16BE: d83dde38 Decimal: 😸 \ 😸 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1399141210 574681 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...lolwat < 1399141213 850357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit verbose about them, though. < 1399141243 742861 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? there was an upgrade? ooooooh... < 1399141263 63526 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I missing somethng here or is UTF-8 4 bytes according to that? < 1399141268 248358 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399141292 264167 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: U+1F638 is far, far away. therefore, four bytes. < 1399141295 845413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: quite possibly. < 1399141305 186729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Char < 1399141306 364574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\1114111' < 1399141316 221330 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Or 24-byte. :D < 1399141324 564431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 1114111 "" < 1399141325 648976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "10ffff" < 1399141341 874587 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: *bit ? < 1399141342 963208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the official max unicode value, unless they've changed it again. < 1399141357 921650 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Hank you. < 1399141362 194803 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank* < 1399141366 740538 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thank AndroidKitKat < 1399141367 291489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: thank: not found < 1399141372 349815 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: Hank you, too < 1399141372 619726 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks AndroidKitKat < 1399141373 214492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, AndroidKitKat. ThAndroidKitKat. < 1399141374 631328 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any change to the bounds will cause an introduction of surrogate-surrogates < 1399141392 55996 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthellorasiir. < 1399141401 970196 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1399141404 321431 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't they learned that surrogate pairs are evil once? < 1399141422 64248 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still evil as UTF-16 is still in use < 1399141426 19154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm not sure if it's an upgrade or simply downloading a better working unicode program. < 1399141436 692176 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it *will* continue to be used due to the pervasiveness of ECMAScript) < 1399141466 896406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right :( < 1399141469 75388 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you change anything re HackEgo recently? < 1399141499 935025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it wasn't Gregor < 1399141549 579043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although V8 can store strings as ASCII too < 1399141559 164366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SpiderMonkey people are considering doing something similar < 1399141564 165122 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: meh. < 1399141576 561384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if they don't, I want Servo to store UTF-8 in the DOM and only convert to UTF-16 when necessary < 1399141586 445949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it seems to be Jafet's work < 1399141676 572544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with a `fetch of a debian file < 1399141773 941056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of wish that Unicode had assigned compatibility codepoints for lone surrogates < 1399141787 741086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are basically individual characters in UCS-2 as implemented by ECMAScript < 1399141804 322984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Unicode is supposed to be round trip compatible with legacy character sets < 1399141845 40945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've sort of met something like that < 1399141898 856396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: namely, when we changed perlmonks' official encoding to cp1252 (new version), for a while we've had the problem of how to encode into xml the few bytes that aren't valid characters in that encoding < 1399141921 291047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think eventually we made them encoded to the high control characters with the same code < 1399141932 417588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth would you change encoding to cp1252... < 1399141948 358932 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to keep everybody on their toes < 1399141951 32188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was iso-8859-1 before, < 1399141960 599918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but unicode exists. < 1399141961 634278 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbage in garbage out < 1399141969 460627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: come on, it's like 15 years old now! < 1399141987 165376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the gods don't have time to apply even my simplest patches < 1399141989 48262 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't new perl use like, guillemets and shit? cp1252 must be a fucking adventure < 1399141995 108554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :converting the whole thing to unicode would be impossible < 1399142035 17030 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self, do not start using perl < 1399142056 60883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, you can put any character in the posts by amp-escaping them < 1399142071 33000 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you know you want to. < 1399142071 367176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except in magical code tags where you can't, which is bad, but it's not easy to solve) < 1399142096 759513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symbols14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39458&oldid=39439 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-12) 10against policy < 1399142098 10246 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't, if this is what they're doing < 1399142108 666625 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have enough trouble with line endings < 1399142320 326988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ND14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39459&oldid=39440 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10lowercase template < 1399142380 814555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tubes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39460&oldid=39449 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-17) 10Undo revision 39449 by [[Special:Contributions/Lucasieks|Lucasieks]] ([[User talk:Lucasieks|talk]]) (Against policy) < 1399142469 57424 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=37905 this is good stuff oerjan < 1399142504 99638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my prediction doesn't seem to have held yet < 1399142524 42439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what prediction? < 1399142555 766409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in the previous edit summary, which was also a Lucasieks undo < 1399142578 353316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, < 1399142581 486714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1399142917 755350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Powerlist14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39461&oldid=39455 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2) 10sp < 1399143258 80535 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: NAP < 1399143259 995530 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399144167 773276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I will block if it happens again < 1399144177 619124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did leave a message. < 1399144268 258531 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tubes looks interesting, but too bad it's not fully specified in the article < 1399144280 720090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should buy peanuts. wait i have peanuts, i just think of them as chocolate because they're covered in it. < 1399144350 590846 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain the difference between the movers in tubes? < 1399144402 800171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399144405 530242 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE it is < 1399144531 972801 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i still don't get it < 1399144779 465339 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory is 2d? < 1399144806 223756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think you'd need 3d for tubes to work < 1399144822 267564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wire-crossing problem and all that < 1399144858 804316 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't get what the double-tubes in the first example are for < 1399144859 840382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can't you avoid that by like using spare scratch memory cells that you set to the right value to cross a crossing? < 1399144902 558932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm not talking about the actual Tubes language here < 1399144909 990757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, me too < 1399144911 43076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just musing about the meaning of the words < 1399144924 997438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399144931 498138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're _not_ talking about the tubes language < 1399144932 4466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1399144941 555401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about what then? < 1399144963 620395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have heard about this real-life thing called "tubes". < 1399144973 112232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399144976 588461 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with water and gas < 1399144983 938888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones in the wall carry water, the ones outside carry gas < 1399144985 173887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which fluids may pass. they can be used for computation. < 1399145000 16613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've seen such a thing too but it's impractical < 1399145020 494304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have much gas tubes in norway. < 1399145048 476053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you don't, you just pay for all the electricity and don't care about how inefficient it is. I know most countries are like that. < 1399145060 666949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier in more densely populated areas like here, mind you < 1399145074 938096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually norway has the cheapest electricity in europe. used to be even cheaper. < 1399145086 58230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i'm gravely mistaken. < 1399145100 837050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because our country is littered with hydroelectric dams. < 1399145125 695130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this new apartment actually has remote water heating. < 1399145141 418682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hardly existed a few decades ago. < 1399145255 895368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I hear it's hard because the ground is too cold and if it stops for just a few minutes for an error during the winter all the pipes freeze and are impossible to restart < 1399145273 93023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have that problem because the pipes that are just a few meters below never freeze < 1399145284 590333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399145321 575832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing bad happened over the winter here, but they were closed for repairs during summer. < 1399145357 950942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it might work better than what I imagine because they actually do regular maintenance there :) < 1399145402 388199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a new building, they'd better get it working to start with. < 1399145416 901384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that, norway isn't known for being good at maintenance. < 1399145437 159367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the government. < 1399146430 401999 :password2!~password@197.78.173.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399147337 869775 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfoLe5oWb9I < 1399147632 558668 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thank you < 1399147931 6655 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399148142 700419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399148144 74992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :havecoin larcoin kvilcoin enigcoin mimsyoncoin eplatlcoin mortgcoin miccoin zsakingpetudecoin dna#coin fugicoin waduliecoin self-modicoin etarelacoin bookcoin villerecoin sercoin lawocoin chrcoin ryecoin < 1399148158 264950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-modicoin!!! < 1399148163 126908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's nice < 1399148261 7835 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof of work is submitting a new proof of work method < 1399148386 776489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nice < 1399148394 920126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's a comic for that < 1399148465 833438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.xkcd.com/1121/ < 1399148522 952471 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C7E6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399148628 121863 :Scaev!~adrien@5400C416.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399148717 269246 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1399148950 348766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an xkcd comic about how there is always a relevant xkcd comic, i cannot recall < 1399149072 924826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't either. It's only partly that there's always a relevant xkcd strip, the other half is how it's also possible to find it. < 1399149106 57321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other comics where I keep wanting to find the relevant strip, but there's no transcript and the comic is long and not in any sort of sane order and has no sane strip titles. < 1399149151 598630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always have to reread about half of isometric before I can find what I'm looking for. < 1399149171 340570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is always a relevant goatkcd comic < 1399149230 754459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the xkcd comic about those xkcd comics which are not relevant to themselves < 1399149265 671497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to use the relevantxkcd site to find the xkcd relevant to there always being a relevant xkcd, but the result wasn't very relevant. < 1399149295 969696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you probably got it mixed up with ironic hth < 1399149715 836077 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1399149954 846907 :Scaev!~adrien@5400C416.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1399150255 483420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1399151450 876472 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1399152217 114267 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-222-134.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1399152228 409249 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-222-134.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399152254 617638 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399152386 311881 :Eritzap!5bb25382@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.178.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399153201 390754 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C7E6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399153523 25178 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399153610 509294 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1399153688 150134 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1399153698 343676 :Eritzap!5bb25382@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.178.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399153768 125385 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399153802 409553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i was going to look at rust but now ~ is going away or something?? < 1399153841 466464 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399154464 398847 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Being replaced with Box to allow for things like custom allocators < 1399154465 594552 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399154477 899484 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think Uniq would be a better name < 1399154596 391381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"~" is about as long as a pointer kind/type/thing can get before it starts to be annoying though < 1399154694 889111 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, rust is desugaring atm < 1399154701 924833 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if i like that < 1399154718 753561 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might resugar when they figure out which family of pointers to keep < 1399154890 311569 :Eritzap!574035cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.53.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399155209 701507 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399155694 359927 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399157215 363883 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1399157599 403487 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399157607 313628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq Can Haskell make shachaf happy? < 1399157607 460716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ < 1399157653 153931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read that as a "no" < 1399157679 215761 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I couple of people are sad about the change but nobody actually complained (where I could see). < 1399157691 756228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1399157698 320469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couple -> a couple, and I should sleep :) < 1399157721 472638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there another command that has the old behaviour? < 1399157724 408643 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399157724 666540 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399157734 89623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oldfaq Can Haskell make shachaf happy? < 1399157734 236781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1399157739 198660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1399157759 268847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msg #esoteric Yes! Haskell can do that! < 1399157759 416279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! Haskell can do that! < 1399157764 414569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not count :) < 1399158949 249014 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399158974 920370 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399158993 388031 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399159346 688656 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399159348 146226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d1 < 1399159348 294698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 1 < 1399159361 484359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d0 < 1399159361 631614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected end of input: expecting digit < 1399159392 161224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1000000d2 < 1399159392 456689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 1500224 < 1399159435 705847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1000000d1000000 < 1399159435 852996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 499558438973 < 1399159478 22598 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d-4 < 1399159478 210475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected 'd': expecting digit, operator or end of input < 1399159504 902871 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1+2 < 1399159505 50638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected end of input: expecting digit, operator, "+", "-" or end of input: no rolls in expression < 1399159579 490474 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d10/d5 < 1399159579 638391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 7 / 2 => 7/2 => 3.5 < 1399159583 430510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1399159596 374961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that it supported division :) < 1399159622 344959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d10/(d1-d1) < 1399159622 533883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 1 / (1 - 1) => Divide by zero! < 1399159652 299774 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d2*d2 < 1399159652 446725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: 1 * 2 => 2 < 1399159677 252325 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d2/4 < 1399159677 435558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: 1 / 4 => 1/4 => 0.25 < 1399159681 171099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice -d4 < 1399159681 318772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "-": expecting number, "d" or "(" < 1399159684 233937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d1-d4 < 1399159684 381022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 1 - 4 => -3 < 1399159787 544058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :To demystify the above, it approximates d by a normal distribution if n > 100. < 1399159837 673497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 100000000000000000000d1 < 1399159837 820764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 100000000000000000000 < 1399160096 891810 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring < 1399160115 206254 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but effective < 1399160131 44876 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected something more like a stack overflow in sum for large inputs < 1399160169 132656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just do it for n <= 100 too? < 1399160238 6346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's noticably different for the small n that matter, most notably n=1. < 1399160508 704354 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399160814 322503 :AndroidKitKat!~androidki@louise.jnylen.nu PART :#esoteric < 1399160980 801682 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399161051 531102 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399161487 545150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399162758 404618 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have some advice! < 1399162766 109750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are running to give someone a hug < 1399162776 880672 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they look like they are preparing to rugby tackle you < 1399162781 566546 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abort hug immediately. < 1399162822 775661 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399162833 21884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, my jaw still hurts < 1399162910 398203 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :get huggier friends < 1399163177 489191 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399163206 727566 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399163226 250820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: esolangs.org is down < 1399163234 372767 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399165360 900363 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should register theenemysgate.ca and point it to an IP address that doesn't have a server < 1399165554 142397 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1399165752 10139 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinion based question: it is a good idea to change your online name? If one were to do this, what would they need to do and what would be the implications of this? < 1399165866 709002 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat, youll need new profile pictures too. just get them from your most handsome facebook friend < 1399165939 479409 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work if I had facebook. < 1399165976 397332 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bascially, I'm thinking of changing my many online accounts from david_werecat to Cyskus. < 1399166007 466622 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels less 'transparent'. < 1399166011 918199 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check the inernet nickname registry to make sure cyskus isnt taken < 1399166043 724679 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currenly it does not exist anywhere that Google can find. < 1399166044 294573 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've changed names a billion times, mon < 1399166067 130259 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a form you should fill out and submit to ICANN < 1399166098 776075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: you know this channel is publicly logged and indexed by google, right? :P < 1399166129 977604 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... thwarted again! < 1399166173 438662 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, letting everyone know how to find your new account is another reason I'm here. < 1399166211 282352 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carrying information forward between iterations is the most difficult part. < 1399166285 81818 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, so those metal things i find when i google you arent you, they're some previous bike? < 1399166303 288480 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm actually made of organic compounds < 1399167412 694250 :Eritzap!574035cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.53.205 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399168036 820236 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399168207 727153 :david_werecat!~david_wer@135-23-117-34.cpe.pppoe.ca PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1399169196 962797 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1399169259 146934 :speckle!~speckle@c-76-111-8-161.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399169490 777326 :speckle!~speckle@c-76-111-8-161.hsd1.md.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!" < 1399169907 196978 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399170857 435842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399171129 145745 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399174170 783644 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399174208 163828 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399175548 690602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1399176695 401758 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399177014 456370 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399177098 917082 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399177554 967648 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org NICK :monotone < 1399178040 212306 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399178682 997839 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399178709 706581 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399179010 908171 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1399179823 859255 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399180767 265827 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.104.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399180767 659647 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.104.11 QUIT :Changing host < 1399180767 811970 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399180856 488906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my GF addicted to Suzumiya Haruhi < 1399180883 388891 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bppftvdyuezmzbdd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399181004 123973 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399181156 357896 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399181172 265365 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.104.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399181172 619438 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.104.11 QUIT :Changing host < 1399181172 619512 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399181176 248153 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399181367 736643 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1399181382 436158 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.104.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399181382 766526 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.59.104.11 QUIT :Changing host < 1399181382 913761 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399181703 330376 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399182435 303794 :password2!~password@197.78.173.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399182614 459935 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399182748 284502 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399182848 370670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I used Huffman for abnormal purpose; I wanted to encode a bit string in alphabetics so I made up a Huffman tree for twenty-six equally probability data. < 1399183068 230315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called to do such things as this? < 1399183126 41402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Huffman for abnormal purpose" < 1399183362 489119 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1399184076 433066 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1399186815 62162 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lessmilk.com/games/12/ < 1399186904 129770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399187667 852224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d1.2 < 1399187668 65614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '.': expecting digit, operator or end of input < 1399187756 260395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it should use poisson distribution to approximate @dice 1000d1.001 < 1399187822 851761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d1+2+3+4+5+6 < 1399187823 38241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 => 21 < 1399187848 90892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d1*2*3*4*5 < 1399187848 239175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 => 120 < 1399187861 829244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d1*2*3*4*5 < 1399187861 976750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1 * 2 * 3 * 4 * 5 => 120 < 1399187881 719543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have a calculator with a d prefix < 1399187920 125063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d1+hi < 1399187932 903109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d1+2)*3 < 1399187933 50487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (1 + 2) * 3 => 9 < 1399187949 981581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(1+2)*3 < 1399187985 524106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d1^3 < 1399187990 219098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas < 1399188010 703724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 3(3d1) < 1399188010 851704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '(': expecting digit, operator or end of input < 1399188147 658324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a p. misleading calculator when your calculation doesn't happen to start with a 1 < 1399188148 871323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not any more, apparently. < 1399188179 386847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Have some advice! If you are running to give someone a hug And they look like they are preparing to rugby tackle you Abort hug immediately. Seriously, my jaw still hurts < 1399188180 745860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1192) Have some advice! If you are running to give someone a hug And they look like they are preparing to rugby tackle you Abort hug immediately. Seriously, my jaw still hurts < 1399188185 743170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OKAY < 1399188214 445602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean when my scalp itches a ot < 1399188229 701582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i guess technically it has a d1 infix, to be placed after any number inside < 1399188276 144631 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399188283 15235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 d1 < 1399188283 165493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 20 < 1399188290 887264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 + 4 d1 < 1399188291 34554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 20 + 4 => 24 < 1399188311 903408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: either you need a better dandruff shampoo, or you're allergic to something (i've experienced both) < 1399188337 27109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in spring, in seattle, i think it was the trees. < 1399188337 321744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you're allergic to dandruff shampoo < 1399188346 887450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa you were in seattle < 1399188351 739967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: too horrible to contemplate < 1399188357 792535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 1996 < 1399188385 653539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was alive in 1996 so ha < 1399188407 397613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was at canada in 1995 hth < 1399188430 783042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and australia in 1988) < 1399188444 341051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo is that even a year < 1399188454 830620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exhausts the times i've been outside europe, i think. < 1399188552 547878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm pretty sure i'm "allergic" to the strongest dandruff shampoo, which i use once a week. < 1399188568 201782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the week i use head & shoulders < 1399188592 423190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my scalps itches when i think about this < 1399188595 212723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1399188660 811539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't they make sound isolation that isolates against humans speaking loudly < 1399188663 523139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why don't you use arithmetic coding for that? I mean, huffman to 26 letters would be very wasteful unless your input has lots of symbols, because you have to encode very common symbols with a single letter. < 1399188711 925643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, carpenting and loud bass music < 1399188741 628396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, why is sound isolation imperfect. < 1399188772 941044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.xkcd.com/666/ ? < 1399188831 908740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It will be okay after we remove your ears and replace them with something that has a firmware upload function hth < 1399188842 318839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh < 1399188867 199400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like http://www.xkcd.com/644/ ? < 1399189176 951168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask coppro I should register theenemysgate.ca and point it to an IP address that doesn't have a server <-- what about a server that responds to pings, but _nothing_ else twh < 1399189177 137369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399189185 356417 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :All a dream of http://www.xtcian.com/CalvinHobbesNailTable%28bl%29.jpg < 1399189270 312425 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A server that communicates by the length of time it waits before closing incoming connections < 1399189661 420387 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399189696 268601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.lessmilk.com/games/12/ <-- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1399189703 228386 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399189920 773073 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :29 < 1399189999 663698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i had 28 when i gave up < 1399190030 184848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :games that give me nausea: -1 < 1399190449 720806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of that one #drugz game. < 1399190456 207910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what its name was. < 1399190499 432361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tetripz, yes. < 1399190520 977833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See Google image search for a good overview.) < 1399191077 52043 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399191242 240775 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399193191 380492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1399193251 424752 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399193326 251927 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399193780 478534 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399193860 45537 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty #drugz. < 1399194338 300182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399194782 896511 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1399197427 376328 :password2!~password@197.78.173.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399199834 269904 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i die whenever i collect the dot after it rotated a little? Oo < 1399200234 589771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :white on light grey, seriously?! < 1399200534 81059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i don't recall that happening. < 1399200563 418149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting killed when it rotates a whole lot instead of a little bit. < 1399200569 416501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 40, and esp. after 45. < 1399200572 266429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: possibly you get confused about which keys turn which way? < 1399200593 303264 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i move in circles a bit to make sure < 1399200619 733347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't feel like trying that game again < 1399200635 758082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried it twice now, and gotten 41 and 46. < 1399200654 545952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I liked the "white on bright yellow" even less than "white on light gray". < 1399200764 533886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays some 2048 just to be anti-hipster (and also because he hasn't managed to win it yet ihrc) < 1399200783 348587 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how many dimensions? < 1399200802 196013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary 4*4 2d < 1399200812 26185 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1399200817 402272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3d i tried was too easy < 1399200873 572157 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may try 4d or 5d :p < 1399200943 114996 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should play flappy 2048 < 1399201004 578615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried < 1399201007 925447 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I played too much of that < 1399201028 16973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard for me < 1399201034 69929 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :High score 37 < 1399201110 81729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 43 < 1399201116 461135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1399201131 730695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong game, sorry, I should read more context < 1399201197 68122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There are at least two different flappy2048s. < 1399201219 540414 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://flappy2048.com/ this one < 1399201228 981859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, there's also http://hczhcz.github.io/Flappy-2048/ < 1399201247 486542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that as first hit the other day, and flappy2048.com as the second. < 1399201253 303765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today it seems the other way around. < 1399201395 950315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think both are crap < 1399201397 582452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can confirm they're both awful hth < 1399201418 566503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My printer keeps getting paper jams. :/ < 1399201501 855494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you should convert to virtual printing hth < 1399201530 935091 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just invent paperless printers < 1399201594 828518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :london has only had mayors since 2000? < 1399201976 329826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. not to be confused with the Lord Mayor of London. < 1399202133 252452 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399202153 295028 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399202195 446344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A female Lord Mayor or an unmarried male Lord Mayor may appoint a female consort, usually a fellow member of the corporation, to the role of Lady Mayoress." < 1399202203 405381 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399202218 249159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399202228 989823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I print using the manual feeder, it doesn't jam, but it writes "x0Y" on the top-left corner, and scales the actual printout to occur in the bottom-right two-thirds of the page. < 1399202260 21695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1399202290 101389 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This calls for a four-pass printing process < 1399202299 363352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399202300 694884 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399202320 996005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thou shall not pass process < 1399202369 520413 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399202377 739522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm *you < 1399202804 403335 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamut the Grey, protector of the halftones, wielder of the flame of Linotype < 1399202806 736264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've printed all this stuff at work, instead of trying to do it here at home. < 1399202827 342045 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399202972 128835 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399203497 466347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399203517 120166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the crazy snake game start doing arbitrary affine transformations at some point (including reflections?) < 1399204688 321581 :quintflam!d911dfe7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.17.223.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399204716 920620 :quintflam!d911dfe7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.17.223.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what up < 1399204825 660779 :quintflam!d911dfe7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.17.223.231 QUIT :Client Quit < 1399205123 147214 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? up < 1399205123 759843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1399205158 330532 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fungot up < 1399205158 889144 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i think it would be nice, if scheme is then forth is that you can keep that nic for now if you meet someone who's smarter than you look < 1399205186 762724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy snake game? < 1399205321 444981 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399206016 725554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://www.lessmilk.com/games/12/ < 1399207013 377150 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF905E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399207013 654502 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF905E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399207013 801686 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399209269 467422 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399209860 461603 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399210150 154799 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399210941 467816 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399213221 517293 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to past topics, we have >100% bots, and we increasingly speak in French. fungot, parles-tu français? < 1399213221 819669 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you want to bind it locally and then return :) here's my attempt at aesthetics < 1399213245 313094 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: local language binding... and EDSL, then? < 1399213245 492164 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord/ 2008/ 02/ fnord/ fnord < 1399213263 368435 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ah. the monadic fnord composition. < 1399213263 592720 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so... i suck at them somewhere in arithmetica! loophole! < 1399213308 413568 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you suck fungots between numbers? isn't that a bit... morally wrong? < 1399213308 601593 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: off the top of the stack < 1399213320 308717 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: blertch! that's gross! < 1399213418 157048 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399213508 21466 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399214497 693176 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399214597 234600 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399214758 254576 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399214986 41033 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399216161 534770 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :driyoyleujiy < 1399216168 518773 :driyoyleujiy!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1399216197 755947 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhout < 1399217163 148116 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399218662 482149 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399219308 570369 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BRUNCHICKEN < 1399219839 761304 :Languager_!~Languager@bcp72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399219870 851252 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399221804 708971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399221806 85316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nandecoin brograinscoin avercoin wikillcoin gildcoin nuouslykelxxvhis=thacoin sothropofedenentertastomialcoin ]coin divilcoin beckocoin ntcycoin autocoin orkcoin restcoin gigationcoin hargdcoin spaldcoin finingthis=thacoin cation2coin kollocoin < 1399222329 279585 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399222390 632153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuouslykexxvhwhat? < 1399222423 430833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so-thropo-fedenen-tertas-tomial-coin < 1399222453 316173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice ones < 1399222478 272770 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399222654 811141 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's thacoin < 1399222677 680067 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :]coin is my favourit < 1399222679 118154 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1399223022 375478 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399223480 108066 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399223483 110132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399225432 447217 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oobljehhshjawspy JOIN :#esoteric < 1399225895 713118 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399227010 51964 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cation2coin, eh? < 1399227639 883777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399227641 351091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09glassenborcoin 02fernandballycoin 06councoin 13misccoin 04ortlcoin 07binalcoin 08vaggonataeterberinglebrahildmenstricoin 09twofifcoin 02gotcoin 06calcoin 13majorgh!coin 040x2000coin 07tinycoin 08alpinkeymakicoin 09sendecoin 02pavlcoin 06nooncoin 13heliumcoin 04cescoin 07splcoin < 1399227664 275949 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's easy to remember! vaggonataeterberinglebrahildmenstricoin < 1399227693 564535 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in yellow < 1399227695 835907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1399227707 328500 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really easy to read < 1399227711 962860 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heliumcoin is very stable < 1399227722 921038 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody interacts with it? < 1399227723 68391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boredcoin < 1399227729 500681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strategic heliumcoin reserve < 1399227759 867819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was a small child people seemed to be very impressed that I could spell "antidisestablishmentarianism" and knew what it means < 1399227788 343402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even close to the longest English word, though < 1399227815 216722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're going to have just one command with excessive colors i prefer `relcome to `coins hth < 1399227822 919275 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the longest? < 1399227839 659335 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it relcome, anyway? < 1399227857 664226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: *r*ainbow w*elcome* < 1399227864 925154 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1399227888 393474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *was, it was deleted < 1399227932 92778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it's _stable_ but it keeps seeping out of your wallet < 1399227949 299607 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longest word is methionyl[etc]isoleucine, obviously < 1399227961 828994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You need to store it in a gas canister < 1399227971 863558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: even those seep helium < 1399227982 544536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no known storage method that doesn't < 1399228017 47636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1399228021 913520 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than hydrogen though < 1399228072 28736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what's the longest English word that isn't built from smaller forms that would be known to the average speaker < 1399228100 632543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think that's still methionyl[etc]isoleucine < 1399228107 125424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that doesn't count < 1399228145 647485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION comes up with a way to encode arbitrary binary data as syntactically valid sequences of word-parts < 1399228224 147699 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well methionine isn't really known to the average speaker :V < 1399228286 840265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: was my point. < 1399228329 809343 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of funny that it begins literally every polypeptide, but hey < 1399228660 252637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399229703 782934 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399230341 261465 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399230526 524300 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399230613 312328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399230630 496299 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1399230838 370174 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399230948 268152 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399230954 569519 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399230970 880521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399230973 885901 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1399231319 708044 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399231512 529778 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399231513 887601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1399231590 827790 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399231600 246323 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399231688 493862 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399231696 450902 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399231747 345005 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1399231860 531169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399231868 582053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399232774 875303 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-244.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399233439 478622 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399233442 21265 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does the input to a counter machine go, and how do we know if said counter machine accepts or rejects the input? < 1399233454 754566 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399233475 333989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: in the counters < 1399233506 631152 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, so if I were to reserve a counter for the input, I could Godel-encode a string and it'd be like a Turing machine? < 1399233571 605424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's the idea < 1399233592 850939 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would I need another counter to go with it? < 1399233601 777834 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can I just use the one Godel-encoded one? < 1399233613 128265 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assume the Lambek instruction set; inc, dec, jz, and halt) < 1399233674 958255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: you need 2 counters for tc-ness < 1399233682 269109 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-222-134.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1399233704 293512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you need to encode the string extra for that to work < 1399233746 898734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, first you encode your string as one counter value, then you encode all your starting counter values as 2 < 1399233748 53738 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So the first goes to the Godel-encoded input, the second goes to what? The current state? < 1399233762 327109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the state is separate < 1399233783 202727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, look at fractran < 1399233792 357755 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399233792 624676 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399233807 404794 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I start off all the counters but one (which goes to input) with 2? < 1399233822 103350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second may start as 0, it is only there as intermediate storage. < 1399233841 929737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why"? < 1399233861 996703 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK. I always thought that the states were maintained only with the counters--counter machines have their own FSMs like Turing machines or PDAs do? < 1399233874 704827 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399233884 572311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in general. < 1399233913 554305 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399233956 697858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you _can_ encode the state too, that's how you program in fractran. < 1399233991 443774 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then let's say I want to simulate a 2-counter machine with a 2-stack PDA (or vice versa). Does this mean I first have to push the input to one of the stacks (and equivalently, Godel-encode the input in one of the counters) before I can do anything? < 1399233992 795436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you still have the fractran state of where you are in the list of fractions. and then you can encode all that as 2 counters. < 1399234028 216187 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm assuming classic counter machines don't have a notion of an input tape like a Turing machine or even a PDA does, does it? < 1399234030 308727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well PDA's generally have input as well, don't they. < 1399234042 451050 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399234063 975650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add an input command of course. but you don't need it for TC-ness once you have encoded the starting input as a counter. < 1399234120 641912 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. So that first counter == whatever input the stack machine gets. Push to stack si == increase counter ci by the next prime number to the power of its Godel mapping? < 1399234309 856319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement a 2 stack pda quite naturally with 3 counters, then simulate those with 2 counters using Gödel tricks, e.g. 2^a3^b5^c. < 1399234341 229063 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that I get--one stack goes to the input, the others just correspond to uni-symbol stacks. < 1399234499 406926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does remind me of the work i did on 3-cell brainfuck. i found out how to load input into the cell but not how to print the output properly afterwards. < 1399234645 767538 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-222-134.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399234646 929446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-cell brainfuck is almost like 2-counter machine, but slightly more cramped so you cannot do a full fsa directly. < 1399234714 520026 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell question: does anybody know how to make more than one expression for the same branch in a case? < 1399234724 889320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(every time you end a loop a cell must be 0, so you have only 2 cells you can preserve throughout) < 1399234727 405541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that mean myname < 1399234750 500119 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :case somechar of <'x' or 'y'> -> ... < 1399234760 941245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not expression, that's pattern. < 1399234779 574873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot. well maybe with the newest extensions. < 1399234781 593899 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, a pattern then < 1399234787 313749 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1399234819 969271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you can use e.g. a guard < 1399234828 226191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's too bad < 1399234837 268864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust allows that, but its patterns are worse in other ways < 1399234874 902879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a faq, pretty sure i saw it on SO the other day. < 1399234914 274021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know of a proof that 2-cell brainfuck is not Turing complete? < 1399234929 35003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i had an evil idea. < 1399234931 873868 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :x | x .&. (ord 'x' .|. ord 'y') < 2 -> < 1399234957 952487 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: woah < 1399234965 590977 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot express how ugly that is < 1399234972 197211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also not correct in general, is it? < 1399234977 875243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm my memory is vague but i think maybe you can enumerate all the possibilities for what a program can do then. < 1399235006 640448 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's correct in admiral < 1399235019 305078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasat < 1399235038 916976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what if you combine pattern guards with lambdacase? < 1399235054 209045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not pattern guards < 1399235069 168095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing < 1399235086 883160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is too bad that you cannot make such a pattern; it should make such an extension, I think it would be a good idea. You can already make a case block with multiple choices to the same branch in C and in BASIC. < 1399235106 434788 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\case 'x' -> Just 'x'; 'y' -> Just 'y'; _ -> Nothing -> Just x -> x) 'x' < 1399235107 578696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:3: parse error on input ‘case’ < 1399235121 533302 :JZTech101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 PART #esoteric :"Now What?" < 1399235195 857975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ityn ((\case 'x' -> True; 'y' -> True; _ -> False) -> True) < 1399235200 136403 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Actually, intuitively I'd expect that it is TC, because 2 counter machines run into the same limitation: they loop (or terminate quickly) until one of the counters reaches 0, then they can branch off. < 1399235204 60979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*itym < 1399235216 164563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust hasn't got pattern guards :/ < 1399235223 413616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they call the regular guards "pattern guards" which is mega confusing < 1399235253 713445 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote x.->.x < 1399235254 236205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark says: for example: "head (filter (\x -> x > 5) [1..])" in a strict language, you can't easily play with infinite lists In a strict language, you would write that as "6" :) < 1399235257 317944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but they have full fsa branching ability < 1399235265 72948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but with BF the transitions that you get are limited, so it's not straight-forward. obviously you know that. < 1399235274 184414 :Languager_!~Languager@bcp72.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399235279 473257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i _believe_ 2-cell bf is not tc. < 1399235280 558139 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust still got a good mixture of functional and imperative programming imo < 1399235308 140449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i think that ((\case 'x' -> True; 'y' -> True; _ -> False) -> True) technically works >:) < 1399235312 336749 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok. < 1399235323 718369 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \\x.->.case < 1399235323 865900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :benmachine says: let (\x -> case x of (\x -> x -> x) -> x -> x) = 0 in x / best view pattern evar < 1399235326 767935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires LambdaCase and ViewPatterns < 1399235327 635336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Haskell has a better mix, in a sense < 1399235333 37605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Rust has an unusual set of design constraints < 1399235342 142184 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1399235350 269271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eww! < 1399235354 193832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what < 1399235364 998907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that looks correct < 1399235372 357991 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean with unusual set of design constraints < 1399235415 442346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have garbage collection or other things that require a heavyweight runtime < 1399235422 986941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it will eventually have optional garbage collection) < 1399235447 522775 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do find that pretty interesting < 1399235456 510872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the choice between a runtime with green threads and libuv, or basically no runtime just making system calls the way a C program would < 1399235464 691267 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take a look at rust for quite some time < 1399235486 892324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the latter case you can even compile without libc and write an EFI binary, a kernel, a Linux kernel module, a microcontroller program, etc. < 1399235511 499473 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. x == \x -> x -> x < 1399235561 249662 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wish for rust to become stable < 1399235573 819554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehe < 1399235577 532520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are things for "bare metal" programming in Haskell as well but it's a big pain < 1399235595 233408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is the antithesis of stability, ask any engineer < 1399235607 40721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think the parentheses are redundant in that pattern < 1399235609 309005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Rust is a modern language that's basically compatible with the traditional C world of native compiling and linking < 1399235612 383170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you will get your wish this year, is the plan < 1399235630 263818 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: great to hear < 1399235636 557317 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i so want to do stuff with it < 1399235646 294166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, you could make a quasiquote wrapping that up < 1399235653 610702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (\case x -> x) 1 < 1399235654 743184 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:3: parse error on input ‘case’ < 1399235675 581167 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now only documentation needs to get better *g* < 1399235676 604668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't think the extension is enabled? < 1399235676 884998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i work on a 100,000 line Rust project and it is a pretty big pain keeping up with the language, yeah < 1399235678 188710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run let id -> x = 0 in x < 1399235679 320363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:8: parse error on input ‘->’ < 1399235686 510829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too early to learn the core concepts, though < 1399235692 253837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't gonna change much < 1399235694 145685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is quicker than checking the source :) < 1399235716 357069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: indeed, it just is disappointing :D < 1399235750 520222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm a bit surprised that nobody has requested those extensions to be enabled in \-bot yet. < 1399235877 17561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1399236060 396084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this works: let (\(\x -> x -> x) -> x -> \x -> x -> x) = 0 in x < 1399236147 488189 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399236181 536968 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, on simulating a 2-stack PDA with a 4-counter machine; one counter goes to the input, two go to stacks, and one is unused. Handling the inc and dec instructions is easy. What about the jump-if-zero instruction? < 1399236284 423016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you have to go through some intermediate encoding < 1399236290 356342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to look at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran < 1399236301 159093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should give you some ideas about compiling things to counter machines < 1399236353 409754 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-244.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399236387 476275 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399236387 744429 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399236778 803133 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399237082 700462 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399237370 338943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: Ah, I was ignoring input (assuming it goes to a stack) when I said that 3 counters work easily. < 1399237901 101297 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heck? < 1399237911 433194 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just downloaded a tutorial-game for something < 1399237927 246873 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the comments.... "Contributors: Julio Monteiro, Sgeo, TheMonkeyDidIt, Deadron" < 1399237933 610192 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't... remember contributing to it < 1399237936 469353 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What game? < 1399237941 298461 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two Steps BYOND < 1399237956 393153 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: So what would that imply? < 1399237975 534418 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Link? < 1399237984 938519 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.byond.com/developer/deadron/stepbyond < 1399237993 759266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It currently isn't compiling :( < 1399238008 472944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get transformations that increase runtime double exponential < 1399238033 618313 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Me? < 1399238108 845223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally Sgeo discovers his **** clone < 1399238381 548479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck clone? < 1399238453 636715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is only one of the many wonderful possibilities of having a clone < 1399238573 402743 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399238853 229266 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399238864 28120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399238865 366276 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1399239008 932558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbackup: yeah. but double exponential might be an exaggeration. I don't follow how efficient counter machines are these days, maybe they're single exponential < 1399239110 814042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keys are like right next to each other. < 1399239196 947688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1399239382 423150 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399240171 950255 :password2!~password@197.78.141.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399240414 265171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1399241121 901671 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399242702 350802 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399242937 442011 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399243122 459967 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399243155 780953 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaawn < 1399243184 321960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that thing where I go to sleep before I need to go to sleep and then wake up two hours later really groggy < 1399243185 93384 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly prods Taneb awake with his mapole < 1399243253 307899 :Eritzap!574307c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.7.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399243273 971275 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUQM0ib2CI < 1399243451 407709 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1399243494 329905 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHE TOOK IT ALLLLLLLLLLL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1399243685 794797 :Eritzap!574307c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.67.7.193 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399244091 318884 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :?wa 700 + 132 + 942 + 732 < 1399244097 278472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "700". < 1399244097 426062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "+". < 1399244097 426133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "132". < 1399244097 426171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "+". < 1399244097 426206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "942". < 1399244099 279213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "+". < 1399244103 280203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "732". < 1399244110 475038 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1399244114 177620 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot how to match < 1399244115 317477 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :math* < 1399244338 763115 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399244359 225043 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399244543 482092 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.152.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399244732 673366 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399244955 910085 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?wa? < 1399244956 57360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: wn what faq ? < 1399244968 315417 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?what < 1399244968 501393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : @where , return element associated with key < 1399244974 269104 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?what what < 1399244974 416366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about what. < 1399245046 58914 :password2!~password@197.78.141.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399245200 36831 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@? wa < 1399245200 184122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : wa < 1399245290 250949 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wa < 1399245290 859197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wa? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1399245448 168886 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its another channel that uses ?wa < 1399245455 248289 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :for wolfram alpha < 1399245868 396580 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: does lambdie have the same features across all channels? < 1399246297 697463 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make your client able to /calc < 1399246407 346531 :witschge!~nmapspy.b@37.189.153.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399246501 181807 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: too logical. < 1399246522 174496 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1399246545 916182 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant justify writing a plugin for something i can just jump into a terminal and do (or google) < 1399246648 562815 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddya need a plugin for, just do some alias to /exec whatever dc < 1399246803 181005 :witschge!~nmapspy.b@37.189.153.20 PART :#esoteric < 1399247272 790916 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1399248636 860717 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399249097 112659 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1399249124 919473 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399249637 389690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots fall on fungot falls < 1399249965 839460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :700 + 132 + 942 + 732d1 < 1399249966 5784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 700 + 132 + 942 + 732 => 2506 < 1399250004 856046 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+2 < 1399250007 660320 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+2d1 < 1399250007 807956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: 1 + (1+1) => 3 < 1399250013 302486 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1399250042 595062 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399250092 246605 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION screams «AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA» at fizzie for having unfungotted the channel < 1399251350 422521 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1399251424 565630 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399251491 475102 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399251500 80669 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itzzzrvxmdxrwnan JOIN :#esoteric < 1399251766 935405 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SAXOPHONIC CHICKEN < 1399253211 256497 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LIPB < 1399253606 567219 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399254968 22420 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2+0d1 < 1399254974 970127 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2+1d0 < 1399254984 674435 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+2+1d1 < 1399254984 821864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: 2 + 2 + 1 => 5 < 1399255004 944694 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3*5-1+1d1 < 1399255005 130201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: 3 * 5 - 1 + 1 => 15 < 1399255697 523338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :50d1 < 1399255697 670551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 50 < 1399255706 21948 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5d2 < 1399255706 169254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 6 < 1399255709 188227 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaay < 1399255715 178724 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :50d50 < 1399255715 326052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1291 < 1399255831 940408 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1399257995 585786 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x1d1 < 1399258054 521611 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like a tagged union, correct? data List a = Nil | Cons a (List a) < 1399258078 929609 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2**2d1 < 1399258085 307170 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*2d1 < 1399258085 454816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: 2 * (1+1) => 4 < 1399258095 79978 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^2d1 < 1399258096 9538 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: uhhuh < 1399258119 690774 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ttrpgs use exponentiation of random numbers? asking for a friend < 1399258146 207300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: It can mean a empty list or a list consisting of a value and a list, so it is like a tagged union < 1399258148 670204 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d1*2 < 1399258148 817923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: (1+1) * 2 => 4 < 1399258157 104187 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :do "Nil" and "Cons" have any meaning outside of the list? (are they even defined?) < 1399258159 419365 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d1^2 < 1399258166 876667 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: they're constructors. < 1399258172 764142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: Nil and Cons are constructors of the datatype called List. < 1399258213 98863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Can you explain how you want to use exponentiation of random numbers? You can do 2 to the power of 1 to 6 if you use a backgammon doubling cube, perhaps. < 1399258229 368090 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care how it's used, i just want to see how it is used < 1399258263 127651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added various things into the SQL such as a CREATE FUNCTION, CREATE COLLATION, CREATE MACRO, CREATE NAMESPACE, and the ability for trigger programs to contain SAVEPOINT, RELEASE, ROLLBACK TO, but still some missing thing such as traps, while-loops, overrides, etc < 1399258273 248124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, I don't know. < 1399258689 221577 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399258699 368907 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399258807 87958 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone in here familiar with JFLAP? < 1399258833 752795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is. What is that? < 1399258877 343718 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a program for simulating various abstract machines ("Java Formal Languages and Automata Package"), including Turing machines, FSMs, PDAs, and a few others. < 1399258912 605608 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial differential assistant < 1399259110 280733 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1399259210 271975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nah i've never used it. < 1399259564 803800 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I'm wondering why the majority of my states in a 2-tape Turing machine are highlighted as nondeterministic. < 1399261892 137332 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399261924 424549 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399261985 315665 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399262204 410419 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399262414 465886 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pixelcomic.net/287.php < 1399262419 626259 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very "new", but it's new to me < 1399262839 466441 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itzzzrvxmdxrwnan QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399262839 614279 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399262849 712464 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399262878 709289 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399263031 632296 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-diwpkvmvmnhfqllz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399263378 573210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used JFLAP. < 1399263391 281745 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399263444 906096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was quite a long time ago, and I have to board a flight any minute now. < 1399264973 76085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1399265025 911210 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1399265381 239003 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone give me two binary numbers likely to trip up an amateur's Turing machine that's supposed to add them. < 1399265518 111561 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399265545 454641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :18, 2^32-1 < 1399265602 610685 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, one sec < 1399265629 79537 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then -1, 0 < 1399265640 632189 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta be non-negative. < 1399265745 348173 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that failed, when added in both orders < 1399265816 968158 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something's wrong with my carry state < 1399266920 160270 :password2!~password@197.78.141.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399268580 4156 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399269159 861441 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1399269722 191782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399269723 734070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04uobcoin 07grailcoin 08durcoin 09calcoin 02rktureheading-bookcoin 06dividencoin 13omhncoin 04acicoin 07hunthenamecoin 08bestcoin 09refcoin 02orrhycoin 06bigcoin 13concoin 04omnisccoin 07mincoin 08origicoin 09anycoin 02penrcoin 06mushelmsiecoin < 1399269942 940212 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399270344 159199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399270690 637530 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-222-134.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1399270940 354550 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :concoin, describes all coins? < 1399270947 605568 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok probably not really) < 1399271010 228784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a coinspiracy < 1399271035 203020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers he hasn't checked bitcoinity in a while < 1399271075 736131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fairly stable for the last weeks < 1399271114 321781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's still that downward trend < 1399271230 353884 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1399272652 93083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cairns < 1399272652 626012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cairns: not found < 1399272709 682263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399272711 183293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06bringcoin 13automailmentraunterating-boobuminuspicoin 04l00pcoin 07odbcocoin 08irifycoin 09cobincoin 02rociecoin 06capuracoin 13wikincoin 04elogycoin 07exconcoin 08thilcoin 09minuscoin 02tminarycoin 06nhohtcoin 13camolzcoin 04tagcoin 07kiplecoin 08x-dcoin 09quatcoin < 1399272719 947653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice colorful coins < 1399272918 272244 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399273185 222434 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399273943 125267 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399275590 501165 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399276361 145723 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we had quinecoin yet? < 1399276875 591114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1399276928 378837 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399278684 446006 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399278845 680461 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-diwpkvmvmnhfqllz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399280081 56100 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399280081 290948 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399282727 290661 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399283089 349809 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399283253 67088 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399284547 986942 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399284740 26897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (951) < 1399284740 645048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (951): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1399284815 334476 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachellof. < 1399285298 652782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1399285811 160163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a survivor bias joke but people seem to think it's just an "in"flammable joke < 1399285929 102431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seemed to think that too < 1399286942 337876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399287083 416226 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oobljehhshjawspy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399287204 415457 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1399287429 196687 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399288214 150582 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: RECAPITULATING CHICKEN < 1399289981 546622 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399289994 449496 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF919AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399289994 691109 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF919AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399289994 838183 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399290002 568844 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399290636 133907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399291187 261665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it's "in"flammable joke too, < 1399291207 722768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399291219 477637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then most of the airship is made of wood and textile (also hydrogen if they're relaly unlucky), so most of it is inflammable < 1399291504 644283 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helium doesn't have the same lift and is expensive < 1399291568 404288 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399291808 207837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I can believe that 2-cell brainfuck is not TC; it seems that the halting problem is decidable for those, but it gets messy and I have no formal proof. What if we have 2 counters and a "landing field" that is always zero and cannot be modified (say, any attempt to do so would halt the program)? < 1399291808 772656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399291921 121348 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that you need like 6 cells or so for TC brainfuck < 1399291965 487941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: that's certainly too much < 1399291997 29816 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1399292002 45436 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is just vague recollection < 1399292218 624183 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-cell can simulate 2-counter machines, which are undecidable < 1399292442 642048 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399292462 398656 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399292486 842303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 4 cells are easy, 3 cells need work. < 1399292517 292070 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-cell is easy, 2-cell needs work < 1399292537 909892 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would not immediately rule out the possibility that 2-cell is undecidable) < 1399292683 610642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The problem is that only innermost loops can have unbounded values in both counters, and they cannot communicate with loops outside (they terminate because one of the counters is zero, and you cannot even use the position of the pointer because there's no way to check it.) < 1399293142 558961 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with 2 cells, any terminating inner loop takes (ma,b) to (0,b+na) < 1399293211 382386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399293246 717401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it's not known what the exact lowest number of cells is that's enough < 1399293501 560320 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it may be possible to simulate fractran < 1399293874 556386 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :p/q ==> while(A) { if (A==1) { while(B) { A+=q, B-=p; } swap(A,B); } else if (A==2) ... else if (A==q-1) { ... } else A-=q, B+=p; } < 1399293950 288540 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That converts (A, 0) -> (0, pA/q) if q|A, otherwise (0, A) < 1399293992 174542 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try writing a two-cell oracle and seeing if there are any inputs that could possibly have it provide the wrong anwer < 1399293995 220189 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer* < 1399294014 686409 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there aren't any, you know it's not turing-complete < 1399294031 939760 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it will take a lot of seeing. < 1399294084 920491 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to find a way to cover all the cases < 1399294128 562468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you even do fibbonacci with just two cells? < 1399294129 112359 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399294162 304080 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399294173 307265 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.eff.org/privacybadger < 1399294229 555135 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+<[.[->+<]>.[-<+>]] < 1399294255 342948 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which bf < 1399294255 891355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399294262 726753 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :o kay < 1399294437 225646 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399294623 431676 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I should really just null-route all ad networks < 1399294631 356399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :~bf < 1399294634 34352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf < 1399294634 205168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1399294645 72527 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done what? < 1399294830 327993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has run the whole program < 1399294833 890848 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it might be hard to write the conditionals with no extra space. < 1399294839 659620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf >+<[.[->+<]>.[-<+>]] < 1399294839 870390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1399294844 588730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1399294861 388733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that won't produce any output < 1399294868 945411 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf >+[.[-<+>]>.[->+<]<] < 1399294869 91885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1399294874 657282 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399294878 66940 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +[] < 1399294883 172090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1399294887 477826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++[>++++<-]>{<++++>-]<. < 1399294887 674758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bf: Ix{Int}.index: Index (-1) out of range ((0,15)) < 1399294893 984059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++[>++++<-]>{<++++>-]>. < 1399294894 131806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bf: Ix{Int}.index: Index (-1) out of range ((0,15)) < 1399294899 590692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++[>++++<-]>[<++++>-]>. < 1399294899 777940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1399294904 872625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++[>++++<-]>[<++++>-]<. < 1399294905 19761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ < 1399294927 74958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. two spaces, that's odd. < 1399294942 428156 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +[.+] < 1399294942 578452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghij... < 1399295045 45161 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +[>+<+++]>. < 1399295045 192341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : U < 1399295118 444409 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did +[] terminate? < 1399295130 565392 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot was done with it. < 1399295138 942921 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(duh) < 1399295144 26243 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still just prints Done. even for infinite loops? < 1399295152 896247 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf .+[] < 1399295157 240007 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the brainfuck interpreter sets resource limiits < 1399295157 637907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1399295161 540757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets killed, without output. < 1399295165 117979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=.+[] < 1399295170 234486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. < 1399295174 479397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :=?! < 1399295188 615443 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck+= < 1399295266 951493 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added the = accidentally < 1399295274 530543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter since it gets ignored < 1399296719 338974 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1399296804 469647 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399296842 240407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf >+++++++++[->+>++++<<]>[->.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+<] < 1399296842 432483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : $%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmn... < 1399296917 578752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e printf"%c",$_ for 32..127 < 1399296918 60843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ < 1399297130 484645 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net NICK :Melvar < 1399297189 564286 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1399297208 598193 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1399297437 254563 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399297529 222022 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399297823 396297 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399298161 13988 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399299154 455075 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1399299177 444887 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399299629 256670 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EOF is a controversial issue. Many implementations return 0, some return -1, and several notable brainfuck programmers [...]" whoa notability < 1399299715 589511 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399299799 46456 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399300857 800524 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399301017 795484 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notabliest < 1399301026 275681 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what do those several ones return! < 1399301065 478947 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399301245 276613 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399301610 84730 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399301827 700851 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1399302381 720341 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399302648 265282 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399303651 793567 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399303893 981477 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399304248 1188 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : total heap usage: 666 allocs, 666 frees, 312,688 bytes allocated < 1399304251 542465 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: D: D: < 1399304517 790513 :password2!~password@197.78.141.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399304524 161688 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1399304702 258468 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the freelist of the beast < 1399304790 373851 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The things I had to do to plug those leaks~ < 1399304797 422617 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First born son and all tat < 1399305151 784602 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399305405 830343 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399305502 981643 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilfkonhgqrgvxywm JOIN :#esoteric < 1399305761 873196 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399307241 969963 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-137-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399307525 168989 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399307662 218627 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399307792 381980 :password2!~password@197.78.185.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399308152 767014 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399308369 458632 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm trying to either prove or disprove that the language {M where M is a Turing machine that, given blank input, will write a non-blank symbol somewhere} is decidable. Can't I just have a Turing machine B that halts if M writes a non-blank and loops if not? < 1399308454 571397 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but during the loop you might never know definitively that you can stop looping < 1399308569 304090 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that make the language I specified undecidable? < 1399308603 138505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :decidable means total, so, your recognizer needs to halt on all inputs, no? < 1399308626 819252 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1399308655 45940 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your recognizer isn't going to halt on any M that doesn't halt and doesn't write a non-blank symbol < 1399308697 958113 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. So the input M doesn't have to halt, it just has to write a non-blank symbol. < 1399308785 570488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it never writes a non-blank symbol then I would think an infinite loop is detectable? < 1399308799 97701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can ignore the tape position) < 1399308832 858956 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1399308835 837820 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399309117 472046 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, zzo38? < 1399309291 590637 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo's saying that it's probably computable to see if a turing machine that never writes a non-blank symbol halts. < 1399309318 693555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the number of states is finite then you can look for a loop in the state considering that the symbol is first at blank, that it leads to one you have been on before when the written symbol is also blank. < 1399309413 261660 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So it's similar to solving the halting problem for FSMs? < 1399309486 84542 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :313.9 - 101.77 < 1399309490 56032 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, turing machines have "infinite states" because they can write all the symbols they want, but you're restricting that < 1399309491 58079 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :313.9 - 101.77d1 < 1399309505 229103 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget enough about strict during machines to remember if you can do something weird with blanks in unary, though < 1399309546 353227 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399309623 518213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is only one kind of blank symbol and the tape is infinite both ways then any tape position on a blank tape is the same as any other < 1399309649 241660 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it starts out all blank. < 1399309659 969989 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But it *might* write a non-blank symbol. < 1399309690 74981 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm trying to prove; whether the language of all Turing machines that write a non-blank symbol given blank input is decidable. < 1399309711 535233 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine you can look at all states to see which can write a non-blank symbol, and see if any of those are reachable from the starting state on a blank tape < 1399309743 306295 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but what if we loop forever with blank input? < 1399309769 821235 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you've found no non-blank writing you're just dealing with an FSM < 1399309784 134758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, that is what I meant. < 1399309982 817436 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then what happens if I have a Turing machine B that takes some M as input, and halts iff it runs M and then M writes a non-blank symbol? < 1399310064 493938 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I get it. < 1399310169 848782 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual definition of L is L = { M where M is a Turing Machine which, when started with a blank input tape, will finally write some non-blank symbol on its tape.} Does that "finally" change anything? < 1399310282 721222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "eventually"? < 1399310330 277201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other interpretation, though unlikely, is "in its last step".) < 1399310469 913519 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume that the professor just means it'll write a non-blank symbol at some point, as opposed to halting on a non-blank symbol. < 1399310480 935353 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, that detail changes the answer. < 1399310482 38803 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I have other problems to do and this homework is due at midnight. < 1399310513 430499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399310522 975316 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it change the answer? < 1399310528 253400 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then what happens if I have a Turing machine B that takes some M as input, and halts iff it runs M and then M writes a non-blank symbol? <-- like i said, that's not sufficient. you could have the machine that writes nothing and doesn't move but doesn't halt. < 1399310530 112989 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399310584 526580 :b_jonas_!~x@152.66.83.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399310585 309126 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399310599 694970 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my solution: < 1399310600 118396 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let L=\left\{ \string M|\mbox{\ensuremath{M} is a Turing machine that will write a non-blank symbol on its tape if the input is blank}\right\} < 1399310600 265337 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : . We will prove that L < 1399310600 265490 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is decidable. Note that Turing machines have a finite number of states. Thus, they have a finite number of transitions of the form \delta\left(q,\square\right) < 1399310600 265627 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : . If, for a given M < 1399310602 104771 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : and q < 1399310604 115941 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : , we see \delta\left(q,\square\right) < 1399310606 117410 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : more than once before we write a non-blank symbol, then we know that M < 1399310609 131275 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : won't halt. So let's have a decider \decider L < 1399310610 122175 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : that takes some \string M < 1399310614 171856 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : as input and runs M < 1399310616 135070 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : on \varepsilon < 1399310618 158770 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : , and accepts if M < 1399310620 177046 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : writes a non-blank symbol and rejects if M < 1399310622 127407 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is deduced to loop forever before writing a non-blank symbol. Hey, look, \decider L < 1399310624 158295 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : exists, thus L < 1399310624 962612 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real problem is this: a typical TM interpreter will put non-blank symbols on the tape. < 1399310626 136944 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is decidable. \qed < 1399310628 159103 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1399310630 138263 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, shit < 1399310662 286653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: yes, you shouldn't have pasted it here, but that looks about correct. < 1399310681 335029 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all the newlines that snuck in there. < 1399310705 718206 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: starting with blank input is part of the conditions, though < 1399310721 499137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... hmm. or not. I'm not sure what you're doing at "o let's have a decider \decider L". < 1399310805 616970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The TM degenerates to a finite automaton or a single counter machine (depending on whether you can test for the left tape end or not) if it can't write (non-blank symbols) to the tape. < 1399310863 274166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1399310872 54595 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'm not sure what you meant by "the real problem" < 1399310919 983436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: at that point I was assuming that we wanted to show that L is undecidable by the usual diagonalization. I probably misread something. < 1399310930 543021 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1399310933 101142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399310978 951023 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does M *writing a non-blank then halting* change the answer? < 1399311022 831028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: as I meant it it would allow M to also write non-blank symbols at other times, only the final write would count. < 1399311055 963462 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OK, would that affect decidability, then? < 1399311072 679319 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe it wouldn't. < 1399311100 6650 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it would. < 1399311110 516874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: obviously. Just take any turing machine and make sure it writes a non-blank symbol in its halting state. < 1399311128 333133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(introducing a new halting state in the process) < 1399311134 190514 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. If you wanna be pedantic, check the cells immediately to its left and right. < 1399311143 471371 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what happens if you don't halt? < 1399311155 395115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there won't be a final step < 1399311175 718786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence no non-blank symbol written in the final step < 1399311184 470635 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to solve the halting problem, though, since now you're not limited to what's effectively an FSM. < 1399311195 989066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1399311202 284618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the point < 1399311238 731400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yell oerjan HI! < 1399311238 878750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399311315 458413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-LOUD < 1399311315 641483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1399311361 79971 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: School labs/lunch < 1399311362 872380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-yold < 1399311363 20065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 5h 25m 54s ago: I can believe that 2-cell brainfuck is not TC; it seems that the halting problem is decidable for those, but it gets messy and I have no formal proof. What if we have 2 counters and a "landing field" that is always zero and cannot be modified (say, any attempt to do so would halt the program)? < 1399311363 167282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 19m 23s ago: (Re: 2-cell brainfuck) I found the following refinement of the insight that loops terminate with zeros helpful: At each point outside of innermost loops, one of the counters is bounded by a constant. < 1399311363 167355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 2m 4s ago: HI! < 1399311399 973965 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, problem 4 solved. 5 more to go. < 1399311419 789565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yold is past participle of yell, right? < 1399311544 407426 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye old < 1399311603 551535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah yes. i recall thinking about that constant thing. except that it's almost decidable _exactly_ which constant. at least in some spots. < 1399311632 970668 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm trying to prove that you can simulate a 2-stack machine with a 4-counter machine (or vice versa). P2 is the 2-stack PDA and C4 is the 4-counter Lambek machine. This is my proof: http://i.imgur.com/aNDr8BE.png Any thoughts? < 1399311637 356488 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language of turing machines that halt and write some certain output at the same time is fairly obviously undecidable so your prof probably didn't mean that, but you might want to mention the ambiguity < 1399311652 517694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's some branching possible when you return to the beginning of a loop. < 1399311668 292345 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yeah, I just went ahead and did that. < 1399311707 747488 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: c1 and c2 are stack pointers, c3 and c4 are godel-encoded stacks? makes sense to me. you might be able to reduce the time complexity by using a less dumb coding but you're just being asked about decidability, so < 1399311750 25664 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Strictly speaking, the problem is this: "Compare the running time (i.e., number of steps) of the following equivalent machines: (c) two-stack machine and a four-counter machine." < 1399311766 523341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's an odd question. < 1399311794 44048 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I clarified it. He said to just describe what it would take to simulate one with the other. We're given that they're Turing-equivalent, at least. < 1399311803 732914 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well alright. < 1399311803 947360 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yeah, I had the professor clarify it. < 1399311815 645855 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a prefix coding or something for the stacks, then. don't need no stinkin primes. < 1399311839 130305 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prefix coding? < 1399311856 664435 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a code where no codeword is a prefix of another codeword < 1399311871 943316 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if your alphabet is AB, you could encode A -> 1, B -> 01, end of stack -> 00 < 1399311896 227434 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really the prefix isn't necessary, you can just use a block code, eh. < 1399311942 959186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399311946 920628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure you can simulate two stacks with 3 counters pretty easily, without even gödel encoding, just base representation. < 1399311957 728952 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say A -> 11, B -> 01, end of stack -> 00, then it's obviously linear to get somewhere on the stack. < 1399311972 679915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the two stacks can share their "temporary" storage counter < 1399311981 83844 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and increment and decrement of the stack pointer are just increment and decrement. < 1399311994 732468 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about godel coding is that it makes sense mathematically but it's really fucking dumb practically speaking :V < 1399312020 367400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with gödel encoding you only need 2 counters, of course. < 1399312039 841942 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd use Godel encoding for simulating 2 counters with 2 stacks (or vice versa)? < 1399312099 37520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a stack doesn't need a pointer. you just pop off the top hth < 1399312112 200988 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What if the stacks have more than one unique symbol each? < 1399312114 298980 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. uh. right < 1399312125 86333 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i gave you two RAMs then < 1399312130 576129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: what? < 1399312136 667524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, with 2 stacks you just use them as a turing tape, and use something simpler than gödel. < 1399312145 854939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, interleaved binary < 1399312192 551895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prime number stuff is really only needed to get down to 2 counters. < 1399312195 545944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: apparently there is a separate input stream. < 1399312212 858972 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's how we arrived at 4 counters yesterday. < 1399312220 657636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1399312232 805098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then. < 1399312239 843766 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave a second counter for the input because, well, the counters themselves give input. < 1399312252 230285 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where else would I encode the input to the 2-stack PDA? < 1399312256 513675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I agree with 3 of course. < 1399312267 249193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: initial contents of one of the stacks < 1399312295 281003 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp it's official, never not going to read PDA as PDE < 1399312306 742136 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I can do that? < 1399312323 592923 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do anything, if only you believe in yourself < 1399312324 541604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: it depends on your definitions, obviously. < 1399312434 87226 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's go back to 2 stacks, 2 counters. I can simulate the counters with stacks easily, just have an alphabet of two symbols, and push one symbol only to c1, and one symbol only to c2. I could Godel-encode the input as a really big monosymbol stack. But what about the jump-if-zero instruction? < 1399312457 36637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I seem to recall that you need like 6 cells or so for TC brainfuck <-- SOME OF US HAVE MADE LATER PROGRESS HTH < 1399312475 741822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki Collatz_function < 1399312486 200697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie!!!!! < 1399312505 910439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function < 1399312650 735408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: jump-if-zero becomes jump-if-stack-empty? i don't see the problem... < 1399312695 186477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have stack-empty testing, add a special bottom symbol, i guess. < 1399312770 961309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait do you need different symbols for c1 and c2, anyhow < 1399312795 315212 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, but where do I jump to? < 1399312805 835385 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, wait, this becomes the problem of the states, not the stack. < 1399312835 875091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you have nearly the same underlying FSA in both cases, i should think < 1399312848 678996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a little different interpretation of what the transitions mean < 1399312911 94969 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that makes sense. < 1399312930 114809 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each instruction in a CM roughly corresponds to a state in a FSM? < 1399312978 509069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Jafet: simulating fractran is precisely what that link does for 3-cell bf. < 1399312989 209591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case any of you haven't seen it yet. < 1399313011 82557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Jafet seems idle < 1399313062 743272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: yeah. < 1399313104 513593 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. Thanks. Three problems to go. < 1399313105 37168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a matter of representation whether you write things down as something assembly like or as a big table of state transitions + commands. < 1399313141 301395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course your professor presumably has chosen one such representation for you. < 1399313149 197467 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So assembly is closer to CS-theoretic abstract machines than, say, Java? < 1399313162 195154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the assembly :P < 1399313175 849234 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always vax's eval poly instruction < 1399313196 176316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUBLEQ assembly is pretty darn abstract < 1399313275 882082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet simulating fractran is precisely what http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function does for 3-cell bf. < 1399313276 29326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399313368 667170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet and it took some munging to get that to fit. i don't think 2-cell can work. < 1399313368 853495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399313662 982138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet note that your if ... else if construction can easily require 4 cells if you are not very careful. (and swap needs 3 anyway.) < 1399313663 169610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399314742 766093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1399314761 193175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No 'got? < 1399314873 341562 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1399314891 660615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bit hard with only a tablet thing. < 1399314901 648530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm at a conference, I only took this thing with me.) < 1399314914 151394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello from Florence, Italy, anyway. < 1399315000 974389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buona sera! < 1399315052 654344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bottle of olive oil in the conference bag. < 1399315103 187211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth < 1399315412 151590 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1399315419 895195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399315444 19931 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I am going to use the Haskell FFI! < 1399315525 845880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally you get the chance to make ghc segfault! < 1399315535 778009 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've done that already. < 1399315545 287467 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You remember my factorial calculator? < 1399315555 51462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1399315569 277703 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one written in pure, (<*>), and unsafeCoerce? < 1399315578 270367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1399315589 678061 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce? < 1399315604 24589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce does tend to be risky < 1399315604 864504 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm oddly curious how that works out < 1399315674 761555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I'm done! foreign import ccall "math.h sin" csin :: CDouble -> CDouble < 1399315681 293570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: iirc Taneb used it as I in ski calculus, because haskell cannot type the usual tricks used for recursion in ski calculus but unsafeCoerce brutally circumvents the typing < 1399315692 189524 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's right < 1399315702 218998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure is K and (<*>) is S btw < 1399315704 233762 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was incredibly slow, and only worked up to 11 < 1399315709 770173 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that it crashed < 1399315717 945408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399315737 996990 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce is I < 1399315753 308811 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1399315771 13349 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was already said. Should have looked at more than the last four lines. < 1399315779 180560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YOU SHOULD < 1399315813 110113 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, YOU AGREE? < 1399315841 802757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hm, i don't think you can actually cause a segfault _purely_ with those three, can you? < 1399315857 90250 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did when I was working it out < 1399315873 872319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, when I had got it wrong < 1399315878 444080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there would always be corresponding to a lambda term < 1399315882 977306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1399315919 780881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you applied it to something to get numbers didn't you, at that point things can go wrong < 1399315946 580932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still doesn't know whether one can implement unsafePerformIO with unsafeCoerce and IO's (>>=) in a way that works across platforms and in conjunction with garbage collection < 1399316004 479589 :SerialDreamer!~Sumpherie@voi38-3-78-233-200-57.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399316026 201091 :SerialDreamer!~Sumpherie@voi38-3-78-233-200-57.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1399316039 653802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!welcome SerialDreamer < 1399316041 858494 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :SerialDreamer: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! 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(For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1399316051 433338 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are monads needed for IO? < 1399316053 541693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the handling of the realWorld# token is slightly magical) < 1399316064 184441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: that's a myth. < 1399316072 862071 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not needed, they just make it easier < 1399316081 636955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: the monadic IO interface is just convenient < 1399316087 153124 :SerialDreamer!~Sumpherie@voi38-3-78-233-200-57.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1399316093 170241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: it's just the most convenient pattern to enforce ordering of side effects < 1399316133 250844 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :the diff is like printf(file, "str") vs cout << "hello " << there ? < 1399316142 942360 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :cout << being the monandic version < 1399316173 748289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to say "wat" but i'm not _entirely_ sure that analogy is nonsense. < 1399316208 630052 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty nonsense < 1399316209 598544 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be more akin to >>= etc vs. do-notation < 1399316243 628322 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well from what i read monad is like a transformation on a value, ofstream's << doesnt transform the ofstream, but it does return it to allow chaining < 1399316262 633447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's half a state monad then < 1399316265 86751 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remembered that if make a burrito joke i will be banned < 1399316266 662779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it misses the return value. < 1399316287 691989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh?! < 1399316318 362785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Does this apply to just you or is that a general rule? < 1399316326 296851 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell confuses me so much. im pretty sure its either a big inside joke _or_ haskellers just love self-flagellation < 1399316337 335296 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1399316337 380191 NAMES :#esoteric < 1399316341 665801 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it confuses you? < 1399316383 165874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's test < 1399316397 8576 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: if this is about monads, forget that you ever heard the term and simply use 'do' notation for doing I/O. that should get you pretty far. < 1399316426 729999 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can functions only take one argument? whats the deal with returning functions to get around this, surely there is overhead in creating closures < 1399316455 510361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: ghc doesn't allocate closures if a function is fully applied < 1399316465 951050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tries to be reasonably smart about this. < 1399316483 245315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: ah but we like to think of it differently. a function takes n arguments, but we can apply it partially, giving only 1,..., up to n of the arguments and leaving the rest for later. < 1399316500 747112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: and indeed ghc also implements it that way. < 1399316507 273680 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO is like a burrito. an IO Int is a burrito full of delicious ints, but we can't eat it "until the haskell program has been reduced", which in the metaphor means who cares. sometimes you want to mash up two burritos, like an IO Int and an IO String, to get you something that lets you eat an int first and then a string. it also so happens that this mashup operation is nice to generalize to other foods, so, we package up these ... < 1399316513 327389 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... operations in an API and call it "monad" because we hate leibniz but love burritos < 1399316535 118972 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this would explain why ghc is so ... large. < 1399316543 765028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Bike :You forgot the jalapeños < 1399316549 23397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1399316549 35750 NAMES :#esoteric < 1399316554 457365 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399316563 643306 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really should have eatne lunch before putting that together < 1399316593 719101 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe you wouldn't've forgotten the jalapeños < 1399316634 588989 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not gonna eat some fucking shitass pepper < 1399316731 652127 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1399316742 348740 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems like more of a badge of honor than a useful thing < 1399316807 42611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Haskell cabal. < 1399316811 79278 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i don't even use haskell and i can see why you'd generalize this. it's basic design principles. < 1399316847 381506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*that*'s an inside joke. A weak one, but still.) < 1399316866 331808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is no cabal. < 1399316878 202724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Cabal then. And cabal-install. < 1399316884 420776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's an extremely _old_ inside joke) < 1399316887 77930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, remember that one story by heinlein < 1399316899 665235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I may be too young for it. < 1399316903 671822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If This Goes On—" < 1399316917 364390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it goes back to the Usenet age. < 1399316933 226769 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that? i remember the title < 1399316939 300803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one with the cabal < 1399316948 169248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a prophet or something < 1399316986 871187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah. I remember usenet, but I wasn't very active there (and really only in its german subpart anyway, where TINC wouldn't make much sense. (I found a wikipedia page on the subject)) < 1399317006 796505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i never read it < 1399317013 382471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TINC. HTH. HAND. < 1399317047 123970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should know better and write "Usenet" and "subhierarchy". < 1399317056 730113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1399317077 642788 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: Haskell supports a single tuple of arguments just fine, but it's pretty convenient to be able to apply a function partially without jumping through hoops. < 1399317110 32666 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which currying enables < 1399317214 561598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does jalapeñoing enable, i wonder. < 1399317246 144282 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python: map(lambda ys: map(f, ys), xs). Haskell: map (map f) xs < 1399317373 198052 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does python not have apply < 1399317382 200107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, haskell supports tuples with more than two elements rather awkwardly. < 1399317426 386492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly by design, to discourage using them as ersatz datatypes. < 1399317431 95797 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cos (define (curry f x) (lambda (ys) (apply f (list* x ys)))) and then (map (curry map f) xs) < 1399317449 403295 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can call that a hoop but it's not much of one. < 1399317459 562678 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page i read about haskell tuples looked like its very flimsy, in a tuple of 2 (_ x _) matches the second item, without an error? what if you tried (_ _ x), would it just fail to match? < 1399317477 633183 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/flimsy/forgiving/ < 1399317494 808122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: you've missed the commas < 1399317506 678260 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1399317510 170273 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was drunk too < 1399317510 319097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it would match the third item < 1399317529 26348 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a tuple of 2"? < 1399317530 276945 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there is no third item in (1,2) < 1399317541 664309 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_, x, _) wouldn't match (1,2) I'm pretty sure < 1399317543 76129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(_,x,_) -> x) (3,4,5) < 1399317544 565634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1399317549 932800 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1399317553 512441 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because they have different types < 1399317553 659860 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait, duh. < 1399317554 656435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: in that case neither would match, the pattern needs to have the same number of commas < 1399317556 278209 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(_,x,_) -> x) (3,4) < 1399317557 392503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(t0, t, t1)’ < 1399317557 540169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘(t2, t3)’ < 1399317559 325621 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1399317560 408953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (_, x, _) = ("compile", "error") in x < 1399317561 645151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(t0, t2, t1)’ < 1399317561 798679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘([GHC.Types.Char], [GHC.Types.Char])’ < 1399317561 798751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include x :: t2 (bound at :1:9) < 1399317568 514095 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if i can find the page i was reading < 1399317665 705884 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.fpcomplete.com/school/to-infinity-and-beyond/pick-of-the-week/Simple%20examples#tuples < 1399317695 776393 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses fst and snd for the 2-tuple, not the first and second it defines < 1399317704 324507 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see that now >_> < 1399317718 756912 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399317721 211478 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was drunk < 1399317724 510967 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :last night <)< < 1399317736 415963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1399317739 583555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah fpcomplete is so heavy < 1399317801 250561 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hah, i just noticed the same thing when opening the link with my phone. < 1399317810 836325 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly there should be a ThingYouCanTakeFirstOf typeclass with instances for (,) and (,,) < 1399317837 837609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a library for that < 1399317843 558416 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1399317856 333694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2,3) ^. _1 < 1399317857 841591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1399317934 854722 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say I have a Turing machine that can only write to a given cell once (including the part of the tape the input's on). I want to prove that this is still Turing-equivalent. If the input is w, and I write to, say, the 2nd cell, next time I want to write to it can I go to the |w| + 2nd cell instead, and the time after that the 2*|w| + 2nd cell, etc.? < 1399318007 931157 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you a working area limited to the size of the input, no? < 1399318039 971961 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The browser tab gets stuck for over a minute when loading that page. < 1399318040 119037 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, true... < 1399318113 896484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yeah and then i have to press return in the address line for it to relocate to the actual anchor which has been completely shifted away by all the expanding stuff < 1399318118 330383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sorcery is ^. < 1399318120 720012 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: IIRC Idris has sugar where (x, y, z) = (x, (y, z)). That seems nice to me. < 1399318131 607251 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: lens < 1399318190 63164 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What if every time I write in cell n, I splice in another tape (thus pushing every non-blank symbol to the right one cell, starting from the left; i.e. XXX -> X_XX -> X_X_X) < 1399318221 66619 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go see if i can't find a burrito to eat < 1399318249 4542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why stop there, eat a whole burro < 1399318270 55013 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel a monad joke coming. < 1399318277 613636 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm, no, that's writing more than once... < 1399318329 422666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mo 'nads mo problems < 1399318525 503482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you still eat burritos every day < 1399318618 261624 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399318679 4851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1399318692 331329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also feliz cinco de mayo everyone < 1399318759 155741 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399319198 524254 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad news i had pizza < 1399319209 226664 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone explain how lenses are like pizza < 1399319279 843186 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well both are round < 1399319300 263046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think lenses hit your eye in a similar fashion to a big pizza pie, or something along those lines < 1399319304 144922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i've got it wrong < 1399319311 152044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had too much of them both yesterday < 1399319316 667642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void nsHtml5TreeBuilder::MaybeComplainAboutCharset(...) < 1399319362 778990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 complain about charset everyday < 1399319378 675426 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i only had a few slices, not the whole round < 1399319391 100553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's increasingly clear that I don't know enough C to use Haskell's FFI < 1399319394 511814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the slices you ate are like a lens from the whole pizza < 1399319397 95562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a traversal < 1399319405 939095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a fold. did you fold your pizza. < 1399319412 405406 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I folded my pizza < 1399319424 870212 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I had two slices at once < 1399319432 844213 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is the parallel of a prism in this analogue? < 1399319445 630609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lasagne < 1399319451 607543 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1399319452 900087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your puns needs some review. < 1399319456 339798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1399319465 613097 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399319690 679091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your FFI troubles Taneb? < 1399319734 826164 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399319758 940878 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, basically, I don't know C < 1399319803 977910 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://animalnewyork.com/2014/artists-notebook-ramsey-nasser/ this is neat < 1399319811 360353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399319814 978770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing C considered useful < 1399319904 762966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about something I wanted to do, and thought "this would actually be easier with pointers and mutability" < 1399319920 378912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already written a good deal of the program in Haskell and don't want to rewrite it < 1399319990 164957 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like, if I implement this queue as a doubly-linked-list I can remove things from the middle really easily < 1399319990 372833 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn to actually *use* Haskell for something < 1399320008 955464 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove the four color conjecture with the type system < 1399320045 971473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399320049 184908 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Taneb/webqueues/blob/master/Main.hs is the code I've written so far < 1399320087 45506 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :getUUID is poorly named and documented < 1399320130 257378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could make it ContT () ActionM UUID < 1399320161 493657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that'd make everything else awkward? < 1399320215 263078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :define TanebUUIDThing = ContT () ActionM, problem solved < 1399320225 264055 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1399320308 170345 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :getAction doesn't get an action but rather is the action to be performed on a GET request < 1399320752 40854 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm heading out < 1399320821 195904 :b_jonas_!~x@152.66.83.24 NICK :b_jonas < 1399321053 768312 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399321161 544492 :password2!~password@197.78.185.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399321198 528226 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399321205 233560 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1399322040 829814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm Rust sort of has an overloadable assignment operator now: http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/std/clone/trait.Clone.html#method.clone_from < 1399322049 239646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot not really < 1399322131 714469 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399322282 973262 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399322353 678518 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say I have a language L = {M is a Turing machine that halts on all words w in L(aa*)}, and I need to prove that it's undecidable. Can't I just define a Turing machine T that takes in another Turing machine H, and H's input h, and halts if H doesn't halt and stops if H does? < 1399322379 925337 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399322427 590900 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399323102 483051 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399323302 349764 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399323705 37645 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399324095 791057 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399324095 938187 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399324226 144436 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399324836 915672 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399325034 722472 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399325044 70587 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. are you asleep? < 1399325556 962211 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399325934 332038 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399326016 940578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: all that's left is to desugar = into clone_from calls? < 1399326035 795710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Narght < 1399326281 574001 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399326374 282048 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399326517 153223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think that will never happen, though, thankfully < 1399326538 100285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean we don't insert implicit clone() calls anyway < 1399326546 656222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only POD can be implicitly copied < 1399326601 971225 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399326783 333219 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399326802 461270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird, my toy program in rust went fairly well and I thought rust was great, but now I'm trying to do something real (porting the microkernel I was working on) and rust is complaining a lot about my code and nothing works < 1399326829 589998 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399327019 194769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's great that function-sections etc is working in rust now, I read an old thread that implied it would never ever be supported in rust for silly reasons < 1399327188 498653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's nice < 1399327379 437361 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, with LTO I think it's theoretically possible to get better results in a single section < 1399327815 533986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I found a way to optimize away the stack checks - I just sed 's/ "split-stack"//' on the LLVM output < 1399328232 928139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399328610 209327 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140421221237] < 1399328851 78862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take refuge in clean living < 1399328870 293018 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omfg I finally got firefox running right again. < 1399328933 961754 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me embarassingly long to remember that a cranky firefox should be started in safe mode first. < 1399328982 900403 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm losing it < 1399329012 915359 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was looking at the latest Onion cartoon, and wondering why the turtle (tortoise?) was saying a hand. Turned out to be my cursor < 1399329054 373997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying a hand? < 1399329111 846974 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a speech bubble, and I thought there was a pointing hand in it < 1399329148 310936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which finger was the hand pointing? < 1399329379 609277 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Index < 1399329444 47356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is kmc in #rust also you? < 1399329498 560816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399329695 961038 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why he wouldn't be < 1399329706 181966 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is the only true kmc < 1399329713 843234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399329715 320208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06catinecoin 13equaicoin 04chanocoin 07cabracoin 08licecoin 09pringcoin 02blocoin 06.coin 13parereacoin 04jumacoin 07zubanquixcoin 08sqirrisingcoin 09cripplithcoin 02bankingperlcoin 06rposiscoin 13liecoin 04wikacoin 07cuccoin 08ted!coin 09oraocumcoin < 1399329730 395565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some good coins < 1399329742 165306 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially licecoin and liecoin < 1399329767 710350 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bankingperlcoin might be the best < 1399329952 148239 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark blue is hard to read on black < 1399329975 923251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's light blue here < 1399330294 897206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not here < 1399330302 329506 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cuccoin hinting at Cukoo Cycle for proof-of-work? < 1399330313 825324 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuckoo Cycle i mean < 1399330337 889934 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --german 20 < 1399330339 148899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04afsignalcoin 07parzrhythmecoin 08repartungcoin 09vorschromgebotstrecoin 02bilderlandcoin 06erenblatcoin 13kursabsetzcoin 04pensivocoin 07bammenhanencoin 08lacederbandecoin 09panomeräthemincoin 02modecoin 06bayentgedrincoin 13theitercoin 04reitsdiencoin 07herungsordnungcoin 08mannzungcoin 09seitcoin 02allycoin 06ingesorgeco < 1399330374 947702 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ingesorgeco? < 1399330377 102354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :german words are too long, it got cut off < 1399330388 30953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn german < 1399330413 774003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I was at the pub < 1399330433 852581 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should go so I have time to sleep before I get up < 1399330865 201926 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: same thing. < 1399331022 793616 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure I was awake < 1399331233 944979 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1399331267 57006 :BlueProtoman!~smitty@ool-457b5eca.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399331369 65040 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --polish 10 < 1399331370 89902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09sankizowałybycoin 02fularomowiłbycoin 06uszegijskiewrcoin 13ukowacoin 04nieopadorszczcoin 07lokatnowymcoin 08obnychizującacoin 09reptyczamicoin 02uczarżanecoin 06przeczkocoin < 1399331384 424964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --finnish 10 < 1399331385 288162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04suomallansacoin 07huonomillännecoin 08säilemilleecoin 09hillannecoin 02yltymännecoin 06käsicoin 13putoimastacoin 04osuvaltammecoin 07heijailläcoin 08miekkaltanicoin < 1399331704 518128 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --lojban 10 < 1399331705 401467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: lojban < 1399331843 414985 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-137-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399331941 642733 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, did you want to ask me something? < 1399331991 968208 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-137-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399332298 835237 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not "ask" anything. I just wanted to say that I slept during the day to an Idiosyncratic Schedule Sleep Expert. < 1399332441 762410 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1399332445 595097 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fancy < 1399332536 619750 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399333949 556539 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399334444 685647 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: mapole ↓ < 1399334447 531484 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1399334448 238887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. < 1399335189 639764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399336011 641687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399336774 757900 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399336819 543068 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399336940 354975 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1399337017 404740 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ingesorgeco < 1399337018 140931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ingesorgeco? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1399337034 589948 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --french 12 < 1399337035 959770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09commantecoin 02vertielcoin 06limeubwecoin 13gaêtancrcoin 04surguercoin 07faciencoin 08reuccoin 09substrumcoin 02autopécoin 06deyroncoin 13physiavacoin 04djerontcoin < 1399337065 45049 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CHICKENCOIN < 1399337108 240924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --canadian-english-insane 10 < 1399337109 272405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07refrankedcoin 08mastaicoin 09finlidcoin 02brutcoin 06capcoin 13bionarcheterimcoin 04leurinacoin 07mimmarkcoin 08sabillecoin 09phicablecoin < 1399337125 60255 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am all about bionarcheterimcoin < 1399337705 401065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399338842 71234 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399338843 663902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02chacoin 06judicacoin 13lazycoin 04teqcoin 07tmlibergcoin 08mircoin 09tetneycoin 02camecoin 06filecoin 13frainfcoin 04etaplecoin 07wikmanlarcoin 08foblefoodcoin 09dvenghacoin 02hyanickethaxcoin 06blaccoin 13watchacoin 04v--coin 07monofcoin 08headcoin < 1399339676 161003 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people still use quicksort when radix sort exists? < 1399339713 349121 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because quicksort has "quick" in the name. < 1399339730 445681 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see how radix sort is relevant though: quicksort is honestly a blatant misnomer. < 1399339746 814382 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's literally got O(n^2) worst case performance. < 1399339959 412289 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399339974 807065 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399339997 578882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's faster than merge sort on average though < 1399340009 10050 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And merge sort is O(n log n) < 1399340021 546213 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radix sort is just O(nk) though < 1399340037 942068 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, merge sort is guaranteed O(n log n) < 1399340079 146879 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radix sort blows quicksort out of the water < 1399340120 553345 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1399340544 270484 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if k <= log(n). < 1399340593 391845 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a sparse distribution of numbers over some large range it's going to be very inefficient. < 1399340620 415896 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true < 1399340636 228050 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would quicksort for such a distribution be better than merge sort or even insertion sort? < 1399340772 767126 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1399340786 433431 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radix sort is O(nk) but not constant in memory usage. < 1399340794 268258 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell sort is bitchin'. < 1399340834 909284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is in-place radix sort, although it's not quite the same < 1399340893 152712 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main thing with quicksort *in particular* is, in general what you want from a sorting algorithm is not absolute fastest time, but rather consistently not-slow time. < 1399340902 293123 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when dealing with, say, a library function. < 1399340912 631624 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you Want to be robust against potentially malicious input. < 1399340981 863913 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Usually fast, but sometimes ungodly slow" is not a good thing. < 1399341183 157767 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you have n 128-bit numbers, it's going to take radix sort the same amount of time to sort them no matter what they are < 1399341219 592869 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Radix sort is a good algorithm, and should probably be used when applicable. < 1399341235 120372 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My complaints were with quicksort, not radix sort. < 1399341281 445416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell sort seems to have the same asymptotic complexities as quicksort, so simplicity and constant factors would be the thing to consider < 1399341310 580289 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell sort has worst-case O(n log n). < 1399341319 48124 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait. < 1399341321 313301 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smooth. < 1399341323 790776 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant. < 1399341331 358662 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze, I must be sleepy today. < 1399341341 392992 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell sort is not at all what I meant to recommend. :) < 1399341369 810838 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your being confused at me is very understandable. < 1399341545 31028 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell sort isn't stable, but in-place quicksort isn't either < 1399341559 519113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort did you mean then? < 1399341853 236150 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoothsort. < 1399341876 418082 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... well. At least something that isn't worst-case suboptimal. < 1399341898 315785 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is definitely not shell. :) < 1399342433 686827 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, heapsort variation < 1399342446 802410 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That takes advantage of runs < 1399342484 235401 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1399344750 608841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you can't always use radix at all < 1399344767 223377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might only have pairwise comparison < 1399344812 176129 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399344835 694440 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399346164 550204 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1399346175 61434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Suicide14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39462&oldid=17129 5* 0376.100.81.188 5* (+70) 10Tagged < 1399346347 436021 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know who, if anyone, owns the rights to 65xx processors? like, MOS is gone, can anyone make them now? < 1399346584 475491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gerbil14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39463&oldid=23533 5* 0376.100.81.188 5* (+51) 10Tagging < 1399346962 129652 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399346995 433766 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1399346995 581423 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399347095 237725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should lie and tell people that the Finnish language has case for punctuation and that { is actually considered a lower case version of [ < 1399347116 460301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or someone can try now to convince me that this is actually true, that might be a fun game < 1399347539 412068 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i thought it was { is the upper case version of [ < 1399347631 737994 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no i guess not < 1399348660 299075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '[{' | iconv -f iso646-fi < 1399348660 484195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ää < 1399349261 37318 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399349298 880696 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0303625/ neat paper people might like. does CAs! < 1399349393 261571 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ']}\|' | iconv -f iso646-fi < 1399349394 55077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ÅåÖö < 1399349816 758367 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399349848 735255 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399350094 727495 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399351550 569660 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399352818 968853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you are wrapping a mobius strip of videotape around and around the math/porn part of my mind < 1399352842 888162 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... don't know what that means? or where i got video tape nowadays < 1399352897 597847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means mind = blown < 1399352951 875499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a VHS rewinder next to a trash can the other day < 1399353969 360825 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399353985 336999 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399354403 165496 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people still sort when you can just put it in a replicated nosql cloud < 1399354418 443201 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort what? < 1399354427 817943 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stolen Flickr passwords < 1399354477 84262 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1399354533 77211 :password2!~password@197.78.185.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399354586 127011 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this one? < 1399354615 696904 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunter2 obv < 1399354631 951575 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's what you use as a password for everything < 1399354999 177724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1399355541 108651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399355882 331041 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399356354 205712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Ingesorgeco is when a German is worrying that their money might get cut short. < 1399356355 687835 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1399356958 699713 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-137-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1399357664 515949 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399357883 500529 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilfkonhgqrgvxywm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399358058 403123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/ perhaps ... but there may be more companies holding licenses to make 65xx chips < 1399358081 550262 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the licensor doesn't exist any more far as i can tell < 1399358096 827795 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :legalities are hard < 1399358128 115971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm not sure who/what they'd have a license from, presumably commodore (who bought MOS) exists in a shell somewhere < 1399358182 628748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :patent trolls from beyond :o < 1399358202 691568 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, no, they split from commodore, and apparently it was later "liquidated", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology#GMT_Microelectronics < 1399361038 327644 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399361393 387928 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399362148 376979 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399363693 936229 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399364187 727015 :impomatic!~john_metc@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399364671 466327 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399365238 251864 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399368688 367581 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1399368697 748361 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399368725 729006 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399369398 752669 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a C type specific to probabilities? < 1399369411 27325 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating points are pretty bad at it < 1399369421 5310 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not uniform and bad range < 1399369458 95320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :long long int hth < 1399369470 330872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1399369474 650607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that unsigned < 1399369487 201127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very uniform. < 1399369543 914454 :lexande_!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399369841 908127 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1399369846 260856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1399369919 936744 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399370280 680486 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399370365 202948 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1399371121 147341 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a long long int 128 bits anywhere? < 1399371494 41258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks they must have finally fixed the annoying tab bug in IE 11 < 1399372319 745913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, the address bar suddenly seems not to give the entirely wrong completion suggestions any more... < 1399372364 598886 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :__int128 is 128 bits everywhere < 1399374381 757414 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: no < 1399374407 582163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: What about long long long long long long ints? < 1399374473 452381 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long must we long for long long long! < 1399374557 309320 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Would it comply with the standard? < 1399374567 867383 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :long long is guaranteed to be 64bits < 1399374582 852552 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it < 1399374619 892080 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: You mean, exactly 64 bits, not ≥64? < 1399374643 620532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "at least" < 1399374667 852377 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that’s what I would have expected. Thanks. < 1399374672 99441 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no required integer type required to have an exact bit size < 1399374691 407003 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C standard only defines the manimum range of a long long < 1399374719 586684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*minimum < 1399374751 60300 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is so that WG14 sponsors can make a 32-bit sandwich toaster and advertise support for ISO standard C < 1399374752 786067 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use int128_t if you wan't exactly 128bits < 1399374761 581381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure how much support compilers have for intN_t < 1399374780 591346 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it why compilers use non-standard stuff like __int128 < 1399374786 874464 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they could just use int128_t < 1399374823 488218 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I was just wondering; I don’t need a 128-bit type for anything. < 1399374840 362696 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You better use inttypes . < 1399374860 331364 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a reason to use long long < 1399374867 922378 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a reason to use int for that matter < 1399374876 474441 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's broken < 1399374900 692686 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int i = 0; i < 10000; i++) { /* hurray, I'm crappy unportable code */ } < 1399374909 659345 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*100000 < 1399374956 355209 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: My opinion on those regular C types is "They suck" < 1399374960 790774 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a feature to prevent idiots with obsolete computers from enjoying the software < 1399374969 215384 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly! < 1399374982 744352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no guarantee an int can hold 100k < 1399374999 667390 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my obsolete computer . < 1399375026 531109 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did once program a microcontroller with a 16-bit int, I think. < 1399375036 626951 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the real problem is that int is no longer mapped to machine words by any amd64 compiler (and on most of them, not even long) < 1399375044 24293 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int is at least 2^16 < 1399375055 125902 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have people writing int left and right and the compiler has to sign-extend them all < 1399375058 857253 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody said it can hold 32bit values < 1399375067 120806 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's p. efficient < 1399375116 821840 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1399375124 15912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's int_fast32_t! < 1399375169 498935 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that's still mapped to int to appease the peasants < 1399375177 292386 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, if you use on a 64bit machine probably gives you an int64_t? < 1399375199 280113 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that you better not rely on 32bit wrap-arounds . < 1399375207 569177 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't know any compiler that maps int to int64_t < 1399375220 65297 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think posix requires int to have at least 32 bits, though < 1399375236 50317 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any compiler that maps int to int64_t < 1399375242 477657 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a compiler is allowed to do so < 1399375258 575128 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, it's not going to happen < 1399375276 406738 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1399375293 83733 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will break milljeeons of programs < 1399375295 103601 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could imagine that int64_t is faster < 1399375308 730921 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I don't care about breaking millions of crappy written programs . < 1399375310 477518 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1399375324 231046 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you rely on int to be 32bit you don't know C < 1399375327 437365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing you're not writing compilers, then < 1399375331 665141 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or programs < 1399375394 336448 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one relies on 32-bit wraparounds, it needs int32_t and -fwrapv at least, I believe. < 1399375433 445485 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1399375439 469150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrap-arounds are evil anyway < 1399375452 484611 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what kind of evil stuff were people doing so that the code breaks if int is suddenly 64bit wide? < 1399375476 55752 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(relying on wrap-arounds would be one thing) < 1399375495 218604 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not evil, just stupid < 1399375499 104663 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Int maxBound < 1399375499 305347 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12MaxBound 12Int < 1399375533 211101 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it won’t actually be known … < 1399375554 182608 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $'#include \n#include \nmain(){ printf("%zu %zu %zu", sizeof(int_least32_t), sizeof(int32_t), sizeof(int_fast32_t)); }\n' > /tmp/a.c && gcc /tmp/a.c -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out < 1399375554 815652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$'#include \n#include \nmain(){ printf("%zu %zu %zu", sizeof(int_least32_t), sizeof(int32_t), sizeof(int_fast32_t)); }\n' > /tmp/a.c && gcc /tmp/a.c -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out < 1399375566 892587 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \nmain(){ printf("%zu %zu %zu", sizeof(int_least32_t), sizeof(int32_t), sizeof(int_fast32_t)); }\n' > /tmp/a.c && gcc /tmp/a.c -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out < 1399375567 749088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 4 8 < 1399375583 648944 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, gcc fucks the peasants < 1399375663 5554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1399375671 161128 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like int_fast32_t is 64bit < 1399375725 977724 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm currently reading something about "you can fit more 32bit ints into the cache so it's faster" < 1399375737 585526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You certainly can fit more 32bit ints into a cache line < 1399375765 395650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1399375840 375722 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do 32bit computations on 16 integers < 1399375845 375775 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fit neatly into a cache line < 1399375852 633222 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherease 16 64bit integers wouldn't! < 1399375887 479485 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1399375893 748570 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should test that < 1399376034 792585 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gcc is probably 32bit though < 1399376035 363674 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399376062 537700 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on itanium < 1399376200 993586 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399376205 347922 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#!/bin/sh\necho "$@" > /tmp/a.c && gcc /tmp/a.c -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out' > bin/cc && chmod +x bin/cc < 1399376206 397533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they blocked me on the 64bit machine < 1399376206 707221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399376222 773213 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to something important running on it :D < 1399376238 46069 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \nmain(){ return 1/0; } < 1399376238 926810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:2:17: warning: division by zero [-Wdiv-by-zero] \ Floating point exception < 1399376310 323380 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \nmain(){ puts("\n\n\n"); } < 1399376310 970959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:2:14: warning: missing terminating " character [enabled by default] \ /tmp/a.c:2:1: error: missing terminating " character \ /tmp/a.c:5:1: warning: missing terminating " character [enabled by default] \ /tmp/a.c:5:1: error: missing terminating " character \ /tmp/a.c:5:1: error: expected expression at < 1399376321 889879 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \nmain(){ puts("\\n\\n\\n"); } < 1399376322 697646 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399376340 462670 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \nmain(){ puts("\\n\\n\\n☃"); } < 1399376341 294716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ \ \ ☃ < 1399376719 118217 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399376838 68027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399376978 476299 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399376982 530804 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399376982 785049 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399377137 93156 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu NICK :b_jonas < 1399377303 451863 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399379131 786623 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :very snowman < 1399379392 715144 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399379462 952903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zero14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39464 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+1493) 10Created page with "Zero is a language invented by Tailcalled. 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Not even once. < 1399394050 83384 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399395135 281186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399395145 500200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399395163 604343 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1399395695 431969 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-137-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399395722 795533 :atriq!9020800e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.14 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399396639 399618 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20401.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399396837 381853 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20401.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399397474 220078 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Sacrificing a goat to the sun god. < 1399397601 347166 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20401.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399397727 607420 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel dirty using nested wheres in haskell < 1399397758 338098 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20401.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399397801 406297 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those dirty where nests < 1399397826 754401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote some rust code with early return inside a match inside a macro inside a guard < 1399398070 432887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :match () { _ if match self.lookahead_and_consume(6, |s| s.eq_ignore_ascii_case("public")) { None => return true, Some(r) => r } => go!(to AfterDoctypeKeyword Public), ... } < 1399398223 449589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does go! do? < 1399398247 307801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I approve of that case-insensitive equality operation < 1399398296 992858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is ascii mentioned there? < 1399398304 935248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it respect other types of cases? < 1399398322 429458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't do Unicode case folding, which is very complicated and also not what's in the relevant spec < 1399398359 448406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's another macro I defined, a DSL for writing HTML tokenizer actions in a concise way https://github.com/kmcallister/html5/blob/master/src/tokenizer/mod.rs#L475-L543 < 1399398360 184547 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399398368 122575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a bunch of ways to do case folding < 1399398372 859616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII case folding is at least well-defined < 1399398383 721838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well-defined, simple, fast, not locale-dependent < 1399398497 260362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HTML parsing spec mostly doesn't interpret non-ASCII characters < 1399398511 902788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not like past software has handled them consistently < 1399398696 808619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also handy because a parser operating on UTF-8 can do most operations on bytes without decoding them to codepoints < 1399398711 489710 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399398837 369623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn makes it easier to use SIMD instructions < 1399398877 668264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIMD parsing :-) < 1399398894 137674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't UTF-32 be faster for that, if you had to handle Unicode codepoints, but didn't care about grapheme clusters? < 1399398917 567607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that would probably suffer from caching issues < 1399398938 38095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, increasing memory traffic 4x will probably kill other gains < 1399398947 433617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most content comes off the wire as UTF-8 so you would need to convert it first < 1399398965 551136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and basically no content comes as UTF-32; I'm not sure it's even allowed) < 1399398981 522057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a UTF-graphemecluster < 1399398990 471333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's hundreds of bytes per cluster < 1399398997 521774 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399399000 166774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's how ncursesw works internally < 1399399042 640247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that grapheme clusters are relevant to any part of the web stack < 1399399119 758432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :high quality text shaping for proportional fonts can map any number of codepoints to any number of (translated, scaled, etc.) glyphs < 1399399168 129325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the input to the shaping library might be a sequence of grapheme clusters? i've forgotten < 1399399326 804933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in servo I mean < 1399399506 78535 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, I forgot that Rust is made by a browser company < 1399399508 561902 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking in general < 1399399516 669137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399399616 209682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing a HTML parser for Servo but I want it to be a generally useful library, which is tricky because browsers have some unusual requirements < 1399399816 79638 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399399832 564879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are a lot of open questions about API design in Rust generally < 1399399844 744659 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Servo Rust's only killer program so far? < 1399399862 395592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the need to accommodate library users with different memory management strategies, in a safe API < 1399399879 469590 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be quite influential to Rust's design < 1399399921 398783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I care more about getting higher-kinded polymorphism after considering its use with lifetime variables < 1399399967 443344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well, what do you mean by killer program? < 1399399979 478672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it may be the motivating application < 1399399990 101830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo is probably the second largest program written in Rust, but it's not usable for anything real yet < 1399399990 751624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, aimake is mostly used on NetHack, because that's what I needed it for < 1399400007 315216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's like 100k SLoC) < 1399400015 674197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rustc is like 300k < 1399400022 568885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, self-hosting already? < 1399400023 79687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the bundled libs etc < 1399400028 278519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, for some years now < 1399400041 83650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Rust, I think that makes sense < 1399400041 232044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the runtime system is also self hosting, which is a lot more unusual < 1399400045 875846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some debate about whether languages should self-host < 1399400054 291422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something with Rust's aims should probably be able to < 1399400061 374176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, not every language is a good choice for writing a compiler < 1399400065 576278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1399400068 98751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there isn't a general answer to the question of "should you self-host" < 1399400074 106176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, we identify the languages that aren't < 1399400075 588946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I think for Rust it's a defensible decision at least < 1399400081 585304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then write self-compilers in them anyway < 1399400113 843033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler still makes heavy use internally of the deprecated refcounted @-boxes < 1399400116 963839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1399400121 818778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have been removed in favor of a Rc library type < 1399400134 962329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-hosting is a big pain when your language is still evolving so rapidly < 1399400154 485751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to change from one to the other in an automated way? < 1399400159 292479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the syntax for ~-boxes is also changing < 1399400164 240318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been the big Rust news recently < 1399400172 556444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've done some automated refactorings I know < 1399400175 513888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone seems to expect a huge outcry, yet it never emerges < 1399400180 624100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcwalton wrote a big perl script < 1399400185 325768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i whined about it in #rust yesterday < 1399400206 216275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was expecting something parsetree-based, but I guess it's hard to preserve comments when doing that < 1399400207 788415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:36 <@kmc> for f**ks sake < 1399400207 935804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:36 <@kmc> at this rate in another year Rust will be the SK calculus < 1399400230 608066 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a SK-calculus self-compiler? < 1399400245 332926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has a syntactic concept of a "token tree", which is useful for macros and automated refactoring < 1399400257 375027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if other languages have this < 1399400274 717441 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp macros? < 1399400276 403686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: there are Unlambda self-compilers < 1399400285 921789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about as close as you'll get < 1399400290 839686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, self-interps < 1399400293 649749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tree of balanced parentheses (and brackets etc.) where the leaves are tokens < 1399400299 868771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are basically SK + C + I/O < 1399400303 713756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yeah, I guess it is similar to manipulating code as S-expressions < 1399400308 995310 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably closer to an AST than s-expressions are? < 1399400340 686674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Rust has a lot more expression grammar than Lisp; it's just that you can manipulate code before the stage at which that grammar is implemented < 1399400362 126564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm fond of pointing out that Lisp also secretly has a lot of expression grammar < 1399400418 77411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Servo has been influential to Rust's design, certainly, but I think somewhat less than one might expect < 1399400423 300878 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not-secretly. the BNF for loop is a couple pages long < 1399400429 798209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399400451 240718 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop really is a beast < 1399400475 573525 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1399400481 607548 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shivers's loop is the same way, so there go any "uh but loop isn't REALLY lisp" crapola < 1399400498 867209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only a few people who do lots of work on both Rust and Servo < 1399400515 797528 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :r u one < 1399400532 589131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1399400676 197118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only landed a few patches to rust < 1399400683 876648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :opened a lot of bugs though :P < 1399400729 318503 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399400739 336206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically consider compiler bugs part of the fun < 1399400744 958977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only hit a few really nasty ones, though < 1399400884 716342 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only hit one so far < 1399401270 19895 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399401339 106698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399401906 590379 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.162 QUIT :Quit: cel_reloaded < 1399401925 489531 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399402172 692121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pcworld.com/article/2150775/amd-announces-skybridge-chips-to-bring-together-x86-and-arm.html < 1399402409 589101 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how would that work? < 1399402474 677488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not x86+arm in one cpu chip, but different pin-compatible x86 and arm cpus, I guess < 1399402522 477427 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1399402530 757569 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it's a hardware translator between those two < 1399402543 844238 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a ARM chip that also supports x86 < 1399402553 70117 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1399402563 405680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get almost that with qemu, I think < 1399402567 553248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be the same as you said :) < 1399402567 753730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could almost do that in microcode < 1399402574 715660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a customizable-microcode chip, really < 1399402582 910153 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my paper at http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/cl/cl.html has an SK self-interpreter < 1399402595 295604 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's bigger than the lambda calculus self-interpreter < 1399402597 797490 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they've finally given up on drag racing intel < 1399402666 597350 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is under 26 bytes < 1399402704 112603 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary lambda calculus? < 1399402806 167848 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1399402878 453278 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399402976 180461 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.185 QUIT :Quit: cel_reloaded < 1399403175 565573 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399403508 178153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1399403653 503509 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399403782 453110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399404516 127102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: um how can Zero be both unusable for programming and turing-complete < 1399404573 879545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "unusable for programming" was supposed to be in terms of practicality < 1399404589 985883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in _our_ community? < 1399404599 504891 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fair point < 1399404608 794174 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why I had that idea < 1399404687 487661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although looking at the actual language, i think it's more likely that it's not tc.. < 1399404720 994990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the unusual way of not having any computable reduction from a turing machine to it. < 1399404746 182971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um or the other way, for that matter. < 1399404832 224002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually it _might_ be possible to reduce some universal bf program with input to it. < 1399404875 73092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the halting sequence will only start being undecidable from some point on, and that point may very well be pretty large < 1399404987 164319 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like saying "is BF with a source code limit of 200 bytes TC?" < 1399404994 813357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1399405007 790408 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be very hard to prove that the answer is no, but if the answer is yes, a proof would likely be trivial < 1399405170 453953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: also you run into L problems < 1399405209 535971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1399405212 848412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curly-L-coplete < 1399405214 661702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complete < 1399405242 774306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks for that Haskell help you gave me a few days ago; how should I credit you in my PhD thesis? < 1399405250 916094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I credited your nick, but it looks a little unprofessional < 1399405262 635147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf the Terrible, Lord of all Mankind hth < 1399405315 706159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sha Chaf is not shachaf's real name?! < 1399405326 54899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it is < 1399405336 196999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well without the space < 1399405353 570527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he used to have his surname in the /whois but i see it's gone < 1399405523 833170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to an IBM recruiting event today, and they made a snide joke at Google's expense. < 1399405531 150858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it might actually possible to program in zero entirely, if undecidable points in the halting sequence are sparse enough. < 1399405579 638652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you at least force such points to never be an unmatched bracket? < 1399405588 164670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, the first one is going to mess up your bracket matching < 1399405601 98804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I have a feeling that Zero may be uncomputable < 1399405619 926927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the main problem, you need to have no 3 in a row. < 1399405663 200685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually 2 in a row is also a problem if they're the first two in a triple < 1399405711 233368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fun" exercise: write a program in Zero that halts if and only if it doesn't halt < 1399405717 434267 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399405736 297112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not sure that's possible to achieve < 1399405742 720967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither am I < 1399405747 402015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it is, it'd say something about the language < 1399405777 334196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all the programs tested for the halting sequence are logarithmically shorter than the program you are constructing. < 1399405806 182748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could insert a bunch of NOPs, but even then it'd cause problems < 1399405816 179115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you couldn't reliably make them NOPs < 1399405827 179189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it'd work if you had "immutable NOPs", Malbolge-style < 1399405837 868722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also programming in Zero would be very easy if you did) < 1399405841 971594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think the specification of Zero has some weak points. like the fact that ordinary lexicographic order isn't isomorphic to the natural numbers. < 1399405860 517208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, what happens to malformed programs tested in the halting sequence < 1399405862 185700 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomorphic is so 90s < 1399405872 23108 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we say isographic < 1399405884 225710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION categorically swats fowl -----### < 1399405888 129885 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :read in the same tone you would read "reaganomics" < 1399405928 568850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm pretty sure Zero is uncomputable if you make no attempt to avoid the undecidable points in the halting sequence. < 1399405982 592736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and come to think about it, avoiding 3 undecidables in a row also seems impossible, even if you can assume malformed programs have an easy value. < 1399406007 366306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the undecidables take quite a while to show up < 1399406008 881311 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399406016 73359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399406019 707359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hmm, I guess "Shachaf Ben-Kiki" would work. < 1399406025 892165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which Haskell help was this? < 1399406036 843934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm thinking of translating general bf programs to it < 1399406037 22812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rank-2 polymorphism declaration < 1399406068 832459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to give an example of "this program can type with this type in at least one widely used language, but the inference algorithm can't figure it out itself" < 1399406106 936326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that. OK. < 1399406204 155560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'll remove the argument altogether because it turned into a bit of a mess < 1399406233 776348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zero14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39466&oldid=39465 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+18) 10I'm going to assume you meant this, as the original doesn't give a sequence order < 1399406262 888608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh, I thought that name was familiar; I looked at the monitor on my desk, and it has the YAML spec open < 1399406267 14501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the authors is Oren Ben-Kiki < 1399406279 827303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and another has a surname of "döt Net") < 1399406376 774405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the help, anyway < 1399406383 57877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am thinking that if you could only avoid undecidable brackets in zero (which alas i don't think you can), then all other problems could probably be solved with the ][...] comment trick. < 1399406396 279171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that would probably work < 1399406416 302784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could just pad out with 3^n +-+-+-+- < 1399406426 347428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and create a paradoxical program < 1399406439 902380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some level above uncomputable, I think < 1399406456 731798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just "cannot be implemented without an oracle", but "an implementation directly causes a paradox" < 1399406473 215292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i wasn't thinking of paradoxes here < 1399406483 14064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just general translation to zero < 1399406499 531091 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399406508 659843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you can translate any BF program to zero in linear time < 1399406511 6510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can produce a paradox < 1399406512 576498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are right about the padding, that means you can find equivalent elements further out in the sequence < 1399406553 601060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1399406559 537975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ancestor of mine < 1399406600 406046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm imagining that the YAML spec is hundreds of years old, which is an awesome mental image < 1399406696 798777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1399406746 678938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the proper answer "himc", I wonder. < 1399406756 238805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm i don't think you can make a paradoxical program in Zero, because the encoding is not self-referential in the right way - the halting sequence tests _unencoded_ programs. < 1399406779 254774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it doesn't have to test itself for halting < 1399406783 944509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a program that is equivalent to itself < 1399406817 367629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what i'm saying is Zero programs cannot actually do halting tests once they're up and running. < 1399406877 2307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hum on rereading the spec it implies the ordering skips unmatched programs. < 1399406922 47529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I see; they can test most of themself < 1399406940 68284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't test the unsure instruction that they're testing without first knowing what it'll be < 1399406962 798621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we think as a program as a function from the haltingness of a particular other program P to a termination status < 1399406973 170166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then P cannot equal the entire /function/, just the application of that function to some argument < 1399406982 737118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that argument has to be defined as a constant, it can't come from a halting oracle < 1399407007 497325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my real argument is that as written, the halting sequence is mathematically well defined, and so therefore is the semantics of a zero program, and so there cannot be any paradox. < 1399407029 731553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1399407034 174230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to expose the hole in my argument < 1399407039 52194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the hole in yours < 1399407040 866324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I found it < 1399407112 543018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no the proper response is kmcello hth < 1399407463 373549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm starting to wonder if you may have enough control of consecutive elements in the halting sequence to at least know whether they give the _same_ bit or not. < 1399407508 203817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, programs that don't end in brackets will come in groups of 6, all of which must do the same thing. < 1399407516 315134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afa halting is concerned) < 1399407544 501597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is enough to avoid encoding brackets with them < 1399407788 80509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the trouble happens with programs ending with ] < 1399407880 584393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and those can do wild things, like P+] P-] P>] P<] are consequtive in the order. < 1399407973 478460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is almost certainly enough to encode switching between two independent undecidable subprograms. < 1399408225 501975 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399408251 245866 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399408268 488830 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem < 1399409496 710992 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399409642 220611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :higan < 1399409709 387070 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399410019 350605 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399410289 934724 :password2!~password@197.78.136.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399410418 481884 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399410418 677151 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399410660 779548 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399410777 525037 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399410974 447677 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399411217 581442 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Ascending to God form < 1399411226 65074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I like languages with strong safety guarantees, but I seem to spend a lot of my time learning about ways to break the rules :) < 1399411448 562347 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399412534 415970 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have any computers other than PDP-11 got a single instruction which copies itself through the entire memory? The PDP-11 instruction is MOV -(PC),-(PC) < 1399412674 631580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: you should talk to impomatic about that, pity impomatic isn't online < 1399412691 774769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a major part of CoreWars strategy, the fact that Redcode has an instruction that does that < 1399412725 491829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote john_metcalf: you should talk to impomatic about that, pity impomatic isn't online < 1399412726 846049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1193) john_metcalf: you should talk to impomatic about that, pity impomatic isn't online < 1399412744 358260 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same person! jm is my real name :-P < 1399412755 683663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, it's useful advice, just advice that can't be actd on < 1399412759 638332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not for the reason I expected < 1399412769 197284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1399412770 500551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1399412777 594537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's funnier with the context < 1399412786 284924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't it always. < 1399412787 577417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to readd < 1399412789 547683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that why you reverted, to add the context? < 1399412827 704723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1399412838 790730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most processors don't have PC-relative addressing < 1399412848 651190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because compilers typically know where their output is in the program < 1399412856 252093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that true? < 1399412882 885086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :X86-64 does, ARM does (IIRC). < 1399412894 952916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not with dynamic linking < 1399412895 189954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, to let others add it if they wish < 1399412908 66281 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the processors I've used allow anything similar to be created. < 1399412934 151115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for dynamic linking it's desirable to emit position-independent code, and in that case PC-relative addressing is very useful < 1399412937 679234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might manage it on a processor where the PC is memory-mapped /and/ indirect addressing is supported < 1399412958 993483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIC has a pretty severe performance penalty on 32-bit x86 because of the need to reserve a register for an offset < 1399413041 722818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic linking is relatively recent compared to the history of programmers, though, isn't it? < 1399413042 506427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it count if you need to set registeres to particular values before the one instruction? < 1399413063 782190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: some sort of movsw instruction? < 1399413071 677877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic linking isn't that recent, but there are different implementation strategies and they don't all require PIC < 1399413081 477964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iecc.com/linkers/ has lots on this < 1399413082 936930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically *di++ = *si++, if you make di the next line and si the current line < 1399413089 982541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should keep going until di overflows < 1399413129 509626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it'd stop there. < 1399413156 806630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming all address space is mapped and rwx, anyway. < 1399413241 884980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though a rep stos with the maximum count sounds approximately the same. < 1399413270 191284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a REP MOVSB instruction overwrites itself, the repetition stops after the next processor interrupt < 1399413289 922009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something emulators tend to implement incorrectly < 1399413290 675385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://repzret.org/p/rep-prefix-and-detecting-valgrind/ < 1399413301 643289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that wasn't a rep. < 1399413318 56625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, though. < 1399413320 764194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not a rep, you're copying the movsb onto the next instruction < 1399413324 541391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is a tangent < 1399413324 813976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then executing the new copy < 1399413327 78819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imp-style < 1399413327 227665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bizarre fact < 1399413341 740940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, detecting valgrind is easy < 1399413351 555913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of client requests? < 1399413355 571486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399413358 926254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399413365 835462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there really should be a way to disable those, but I didn't find one < 1399413379 394400 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that is cool < 1399413381 886191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember fixing JPC-RR to do pipeline flushing on self-modifying code < 1399413390 830387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to just run the old version of the code, and it has a very long pipeline < 1399413392 711348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if e.g. Native Client code running in Valgrind could use client requests to escape the sandbox < 1399413395 816558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed to do that so that NetHack would run correctly < 1399413407 260194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there's a client request for "run this on the real CPU", so trivially < 1399413443 928875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399413464 113397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how hard is it to set up a NaCl toolchain so i can write a PoC < 1399413493 194946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaCl uses valgrind? < 1399413499 927614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1399413507 70145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can run a NaCl program in Valgrind, like any other program < 1399413509 950277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1399413516 696229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in this case it makes it less secure, not more :) < 1399413526 623147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still using the prctl-based sandbox? or has it moved to a different sandbox? < 1399413542 9517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prctl's basically undefeatable because it limits the syscalls you can use and there's no way to undo it < 1399413568 261543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you need to find a kernel bug to get around it no matter how many layers of emulation are used, so long as the emulator runs the prctl call itself < 1399413581 250983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, NaCl is used for sandboxing within a process, aiui < 1399413590 314681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1399413594 259976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a different sandbox entirely < 1399413607 950757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think NaCl in Chrome will run in a process sandbox too < 1399413610 194162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's separate < 1399413611 382735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaCl's the "run a static analyser on the code to make sure it doesn't try to do anything nasty, then run it unmodified" system < 1399413622 254231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaCl uses a conservative subset of x86 with well behaved static semantics < 1399413628 2220 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOVSB imp doesn't work because of the prefetch queue. (Works in a debugger though). < 1399413628 644460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus segmentation < 1399413654 10196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :john_metcalf: huh, pipeline behaviour causing problems on real processors? < 1399413661 49557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wondered about memory ordering with self-modifying code < 1399413664 409119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about in 8086 mode? < 1399413684 914933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no way to put a read barrier before the other CPU's fetch < 1399413685 954077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that NetHack overwrites the argument of an int instruction, then runs that instruction immediately afterwards < 1399413702 800767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to run arbitrary interrupts < 1399413748 784473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1399413780 558060 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be done on a Z80 without looping. (Demo here) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPqDksPdNiE < 1399413786 66233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a "movsd; jmp $+2" one? (Modulo instruction length issues. And not a single instruction.) < 1399413837 874690 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manuals do mention self-modifying code with multiple cpus, basically saying "don't do that" < 1399413838 876926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there might even be room for a NOP in there < 1399413877 3000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fuck tha police < 1399413912 661105 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399413925 535322 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399414226 603831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399414390 172198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually I remembered that wrong, they instead describe some appropriate synchronization procedures for getting cross-modified code to run properly < 1399414459 208770 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399414464 629953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically use a memory flag to indicate when your modification is complete, then do cpuid before you jump to any of the modifying code < 1399414522 665062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpuid's a memory barrier? < 1399414525 875020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-processor? < 1399414529 373906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird instruction to use < 1399414571 608444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not for memory, I think, but for serializing and emptying pipelines and the whatnots < 1399414592 481734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, instruction cache barrier < 1399414610 146065 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not cross-cpu doing a jump is enough (but cpuid also works) < 1399414768 904031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPUID is a memory barrier but there are better memory barrier instructions < 1399414784 299371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it's also a barrier to OOE < 1399414790 700268 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399414797 844618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which other instructions are < 1399414839 720544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some hypervisors virtualize CPUID which makes it very slow for this purpose < 1399414847 885212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there totally are legitimate use cases for multi-threaded self modifying code < 1399414976 720096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self modifying codes can be very useful < 1399415036 318989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPUID isn't a very good idea < 1399415091 243621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1399415175 317599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399415437 370366 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-20401.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399415597 492067 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399415711 426716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1399416375 577558 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399416424 452632 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1399416647 570919 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399416660 477345 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399418528 573948 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1399418559 320605 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399418576 517762 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399418590 756071 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399418608 38317 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399418636 707519 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399418728 533971 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399419810 209826 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399420054 720161 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399420059 418467 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399420265 672066 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399421156 579617 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399421188 332826 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399421331 624506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep boop < 1399421371 479277 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bÿÿp < 1399421445 312248 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat97.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399421549 480173 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399421733 361171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399421756 67992 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399422056 451512 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-55-113.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399422141 515092 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-137-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399422955 78978 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399422979 521116 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399423153 588507 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399423179 303664 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399423791 311274 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lofi/four-sided-fantasy-a-game-about-the-limits-of-the < 1399423824 72494 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399424098 41717 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: COMMUNICATING CHICKEN < 1399424462 501488 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399424957 304494 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399425830 430449 :sevenqueue!~sevenqueu@67.8.163.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399426045 379146 :sevenqueue!~sevenqueu@67.8.163.186 PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.0-dev" < 1399426142 722269 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399426269 365057 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399426282 207556 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-55-113.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399426321 272185 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-55-113.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399427006 733870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hofstadter's book mentions BlooP, which has only loops limited by the number calculated ahead of time, and FlooP, which adds "MU-LOOPS", which the limit doesn't need to be known ahead of time. SQL has only the first kind, which is sometimes insufficient. < 1399427325 219825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1399427345 961598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can SQLite's WITH RECURSIVE do the latter? < 1399427378 616978 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :in postgres a recursive CTE can do arbitrary things, I think < 1399427391 280264 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I assume sqlite is implementing too < 1399427395 658163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, although only for read-data, not for calling triggers and so on. < 1399427426 594370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the RECURSIVE keyword is optional and doesn't do anything; it is there for compatibility and to remind you if you need reminding.) < 1399427460 158258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399427575 840144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When inserting into a view with triggers attached (it is an error to insert into a view without triggers attached), the SELECT statement is first run completely before the trigger is fired even once, so if a recursive WITH clause in the SELECT statement giving the data to insert results in an infinite number of result rows, it will run out of memory before the trigger is fired. < 1399427662 707454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written an extension to add new syntax such as CREATE FUNCTION, CREATE MACRO, CREATE NAMESPACE, CREATE COLLATION, but cannot quite figure out how to add a proper syntax for traps and "mu-loops" which are usable inside of trigger programs. < 1399427897 641645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399428005 473242 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399429872 700853 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399430718 30329 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( how much of the web runs on JSONP? < 1399430928 302350 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it < 1399430980 424488 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse. I'd rather use an invisible iframe if it comes down to it. Which it is. < 1399431127 797757 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo will die on this hill < 1399432579 71680 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399432679 321301 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399432733 337791 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399433036 707441 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399433475 232102 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399433957 362611 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399435637 739611 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399435638 27615 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399435813 445568 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399436007 23244 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399436182 70990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EsoAPI14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39467&oldid=31127 5* 03Sprocklem 5* (+13) 10 < 1399436337 660411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EsoAPI14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39468&oldid=39467 5* 03Sprocklem 5* (-13) 10Undo revision 39467 by [[Special:Contributions/Sprocklem|Sprocklem]] ([[User talk:Sprocklem|talk]]) < 1399436349 653202 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399436367 692486 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399436711 710013 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399436909 473956 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399437017 517369 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399437221 637263 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399437244 417348 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399437779 684815 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN 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:jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399441283 588701 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcrezodwioxitvfy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399441329 715671 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399441338 476405 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.157 QUIT :Client Quit < 1399441370 387704 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399441679 553604 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399441998 362588 :jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1399443330 576616 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.157 QUIT :Quit: cel_reloaded < 1399444025 547382 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-55-113.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1399444027 263675 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.178.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399444857 108775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399445710 996544 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.178.96 QUIT :Quit: cel_reloaded < 1399446235 182425 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.178.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399446274 968468 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.178.96 QUIT :Client Quit < 1399446717 872876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://assbaka.tumblr.com/post/84284936715/a-leucistic-red-winged-blackbird < 1399446782 159528 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.178.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399447346 586586 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.178.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399447559 724085 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399447707 729359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone really wants us to be artists https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Esoteric_programming_language&curid=53398&diff=607370289&oldid=605551525 < 1399447724 334618 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE WE NOT < 1399447769 1948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but that section still makes me slightly embarassed. < 1399447781 414300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it will pass. < 1399447826 187622 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy will discover some new hip thing to brag about < 1399447834 391176 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he will forget all about esolangs < 1399447846 511169 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He will take up glassblowing < 1399447851 652081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then he'll have to make a new nick! < 1399447858 68023 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: re: theenemysgate.ca I like that idea < 1399447870 468960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wat < 1399447883 172180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what that was < 1399447910 862721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fix HackEgo's log access please ;_; < 1399448034 326879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you sure i'm the right person, i vaguely remember that domain name but it's not in my browser log afaict... < 1399448040 57382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the cited pressey article is better than the entire section, of course < 1399448113 273830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think that could have been ion < 1399448176 223122 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or another finn? < 1399448194 657403 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me. < 1399448247 430366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might help if coppro quoted people properly twh hth < 1399448321 630886 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1399448828 558133 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399449001 671421 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan asked 1d 21h 54m 48s ago: I should register theenemysgate.ca and point it to an IP address that doesn't have a server <-- what about a server that responds to pings, but _nothing_ else twh < 1399449024 6669 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just ignore messages matching ^<.oerjan>.*h$ < 1399449110 165369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinking < 1399449136 960896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY ;_; < 1399449173 283633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame the mind control rays for wiping my memory hth < 1399449209 630690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait does that mean coppro cannot see this twh < 1399449383 370722 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399451199 402206 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399451218 435214 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399451218 789071 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399451731 465609 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399452214 740945 :password2!~password@197.78.136.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399452564 589387 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399452571 779212 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1399452571 926529 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1399455107 952165 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399457132 759048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicateM < 1399457133 715205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => Int -> m a -> m [a] < 1399457252 361923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicateM 2 [True,False] < 1399457253 837712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[True,True],[True,False],[False,True],[False,False]] < 1399458244 512196 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399458404 85038 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1399458418 45064 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is true/false guaranteed to correspond to 1/0 in C? < 1399458463 59197 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just "nonzero"/0? < 1399458657 924534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle hFlush < 1399458658 540239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO hFlush :: Handle -> IO () < 1399458658 686701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.IO.Handle hFlush :: Handle -> IO () < 1399458658 686779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.IO.Handle hFlushAll :: Handle -> IO () < 1399458781 948368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each of the operators yields 1 if the specified relation is true and 0 if it is false" okay < 1399458857 611837 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes. ;) < 1399458876 757823 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399458900 534603 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhi^: huh, I didn't know you were in here < 1399458931 663160 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Someone must have edited my auto-join list! < 1399458944 348655 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Seriously, I joined ~2 weeks ago, I think. < 1399458971 205447 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha < 1399458999 327539 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is convinced all channels he's in on freenode will eventually converge < 1399459037 895018 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly's law of IRC. < 1399459056 60352 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, does that apply to channels you aren't in? < 1399459147 737008 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, possibly < 1399459197 38231 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although yes, I think the only channel I'm in that doesn't have people I'm not in other channels with is #dwarffortress < 1399459343 673337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, you can draw a sort of graph of channels I'm in and there are other people in multiple channels I'm in < 1399459357 432555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's the only disconnected one < 1399459564 668070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are there isolated clusters? < 1399459639 606228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember if that rail compiler guy has been on the channel. < 1399459745 335583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if we had, like, a way to search the channel logs... < 1399459787 31521 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399459859 647128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: hm have you been away for a while? < 1399459884 107888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my memory is not working any more and it's all Gregor's fault < 1399459984 873515 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*log* < 1399459985 628309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/anonlog \ bin/etymology \ bin/log \ bin/logurl \ bin/pastalog \ bin/pastelog \ bin/pastelogs \ bin/pastlog \ bin/randomanonlog \ bin/searchlog < 1399460023 289167 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/etymology < 1399460024 730683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/etymology < 1399460047 285545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, etymonline < 1399460216 848186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: bin/ is not where the problem resides hth < 1399460225 832753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log whereami < 1399460226 440421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/log: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ grep: ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1399460390 476049 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1399460403 308180 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious roughly how many log-related commands we have that broke because of it < 1399462241 529471 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91404.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399462241 852047 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91404.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399462241 999190 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399462260 905052 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399462300 745435 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399462721 219061 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1399462742 798392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoami < 1399462743 358145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5000 < 1399462749 685713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1399462769 38889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1399462769 781957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=5000 < 1399462816 690413 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399463152 273360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399463181 360818 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399463388 798083 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399463810 641130 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399463828 112899 :cel_reloaded!~cliberal@80.215.210.19 PART :#esoteric < 1399464029 108103 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399464690 713542 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399466426 555619 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id -Z < 1399466427 113645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :id: --context (-Z) works only on an SELinux-enabled kernel < 1399466952 281996 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399466987 916912 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399468382 407543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399468572 860352 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vi Hart on Net neutrality http://youtu.be/NAxMyTwmu_M < 1399471244 913587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person in the next row spent most of the plenary playing 2048 on her phone. < 1399471256 164006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such disrespect. < 1399471304 639417 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neutral to the talk < 1399471355 420510 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399472308 762113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did they win? < 1399473493 940703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. I wasn't concentrating on it, though. < 1399475157 850938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MULTIOCULAR O < 1399475158 688930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O \ UTF-8: ea 99 ae UTF-16BE: a66e Decimal: ꙮ \ ꙮ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1399475376 820007 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zero14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39469&oldid=39466 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (-134) 10brainderp < 1399475402 366679 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1399475693 597795 :Cineribus!9f8cfe60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.159.140.254.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399475708 746433 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399475717 10593 :Cineribus!9f8cfe60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.159.140.254.96 PART :#esoteric < 1399476818 401706 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399477794 271944 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399477920 94676 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399478947 720032 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399479157 371286 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399481724 320509 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-55-113.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399482049 67336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399483015 198785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Zero14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39470 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+641) 10Created page with "== clarification needed == My questions: * what constitues "correct grammar" of a pseudoprogram? * does the Halting sequence represent only grammatically-correct pseudoprogram..." < 1399485201 105837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399486295 558238 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder < 1399486318 795206 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write a simple exponential function if you use non-floating points functions? < 1399486367 207394 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a fixed point real < 1399486392 758960 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1399486399 152511 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :log2 might < 1399486411 214489 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what? < 1399486430 483488 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can write exp for other representations. < 1399486459 565584 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Zero14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39471&oldid=39470 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+846) 10My guesses etc. < 1399486498 950004 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just wondering if there is one that doesn't require some long ass series representation < 1399486531 520163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the series for exp is about as simple as they come. < 1399486546 945536 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but they don't use that one! < 1399486577 975651 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It converges way too slowly and only around a particular point < 1399486599 359918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399486601 292928 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399486609 429805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's faster the closer you are to that point. < 1399486628 682106 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementations I've seen usually use the Remez algorithm < 1399486629 708677 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, slereah's right, the taylor series really isn't adequate. actual implementations use other polynomials < 1399486632 705621 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1399486647 897529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1399486649 614956 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, polynomials are pretty simple, though < 1399486658 401976 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1399486660 741670 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399486664 150991 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just wondering if you can < 1399486666 577717 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO FASTER < 1399486679 557490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it red hth < 1399486694 526532 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it is not Ork arithmetics < 1399486728 60079 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use the iterated log representation and define exp as adding one to the exp tower < 1399486731 77279 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. easy < 1399486747 578315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't actually played WH40K but he's visited the wiki < 1399486771 860842 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_level-index_arithmetic it's actually used! almost sorta) < 1399486797 965331 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat~ < 1399486824 224163 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more practically there's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal%27s_accurate_tables and a bunch of other shit i imagine < 1399486827 228670 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tables ftw < 1399486848 679493 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table-maker%27s_dilemma#The_table-maker.27s_dilemma on the other hand < 1399487021 944021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fascinating < 1399487155 974691 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wonder if having a fraction type might be useful for precision < 1399487173 259256 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose the risk is having 1000/2000 for 1/2 < 1399487204 8051 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could reduce to common denominators if it overflows I guess < 1399487295 802998 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme actually has fraction type, iirc < 1399487328 946473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you try to use a fraction type with series you'll overflow even the reduced term pretty fast. < 1399487346 836857 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1399487362 739811 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1399487382 17744 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-55-113.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399487392 95553 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any languages use some totally symbolic representations for math? < 1399487397 478677 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside of Mathematica, I guess < 1399487401 854387 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the fraction type is stored as 2xbigint < 1399487410 271780 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most lisps have a rational type, yes < 1399487411 214172 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, *2 bigints < 1399487413 859109 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's basically 2 bigints < 1399487417 181113 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like keep exp(x) as e^x < 1399487422 325156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: then you'll eventually run out of memory. < 1399487424 145730 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for the duration of the computation < 1399487437 686132 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then apply arithmetic rules to it < 1399487439 610758 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it reduces fractions so there's no risk s mentioned < 1399487449 706641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: yeah, sure. < 1399487457 778704 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399487461 748263 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's one http://www.haible.de/bruno/MichaelStoll/reals.html < 1399487464 798439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that if you add n fractions with relatively prime denominators, the new denominator is the product of all of them... < 1399487478 427086 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1399487498 415413 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i suppose haskell CReal or whatever does that too < 1399487505 669727 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : but is that different from fixed point reals < 1399487515 805466 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-55-113.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399487539 51963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: well fixed point reals will lose precision instead... < 1399487540 295180 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for totally different ways to compute exp, you could simulate the ODE for a while, that would be fun and implausible < 1399487565 994472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not as much for addition i guess < 1399487572 374149 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for different representation you could use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_continued_fraction_formula#The_exponential_function ~ < 1399487609 630580 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many ridiculous possibilities. < 1399487613 323904 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knooow < 1399487614 248051 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399487642 245174 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markov did a neat little paper on ways to represent computable real numbers < 1399487673 220723 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov the younger, or what < 1399487674 61054 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did it as three µ-recursive functions, f(x) - g(x) / h(x) < 1399487707 206362 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right markov the younger worked in computability, i totally forgot < 1399487766 540659 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and schonhage, i.e. /that/ schonhage, does stuff with complexity of analytics http://www.iai.uni-bonn.de/~schoe/topics.html < 1399487771 360364 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) < 1399487790 616579 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a usual positional representation, of course < 1399487832 187488 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how matrix multiplication has some very "fast" algorithms < 1399487843 469786 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so fast" < 1399487848 616335 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they are so ridiculously overcharged with calculations that they are basically never useful < 1399487888 407922 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, schonhage multiplication (of scalars, not matrices) /is/ actually practical for some numbers < 1399487913 266685 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for when you have, like, numbers that are 3 KB long, but that's not too bad :V < 1399487937 331985 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often do you have numbers 3 kB long < 1399487942 189323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Zero14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39472&oldid=39471 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+556) 10/* clarification needed */ < 1399487959 846926 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? never. but it's in GMP!! < 1399487971 410606 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like < 1399487975 409670 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^924 < 1399487976 885170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... < 1399487977 985276 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an INTEGER < 1399487980 881304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why did i think k was capitalized... < 1399487990 988016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiloBikes < 1399487995 165609 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Applications of the Schönhage–Strassen algorithm include mathematical empiricism, such as the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search and computing approximations of π, as well as practical applications such as Kronecker substitution, in which multiplication of polynomials with integer coefficients can be efficiently reduced to large integer multiplication" < 1399488031 267429 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical empiricism is so great. the polynomials for bifurcation constants own < 1399488031 485487 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the fast matrix multiplication is useful if the matrix is a few thousand entries wide < 1399488043 549269 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which happens a fair bit! < 1399488054 84952 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i work with big matrices at work. linear algebra's too useful. < 1399488458 268876 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399488678 793095 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1399488682 385059 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about < 1399488690 289135 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, nothing < 1399488693 87764 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a good idea < 1399489070 155246 :password2!~password@197.78.190.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399489792 92030 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399489818 352373 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399489979 169632 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399489989 783170 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399490081 397484 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399490186 54188 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399490209 705459 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399490411 363735 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399490516 428193 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399491373 370177 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whitneymusicbox.org/index.php?var=v0 < 1399491502 951536 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxerzzhzkdzqaybe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399491993 620060 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: The situation where you can end up with faster matrix exponentiation than multiplication < 1399492043 378897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1399492857 153563 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts a cookie in Taneb's yawn < 1399492975 491688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1399493062 825816 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat the cookie, Taneb, eat it < 1399493086 822998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it poisoned? < 1399493109 149928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just the usual harmless but annoying tracking device? < 1399493555 898149 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has chocolate in it < 1399493602 54052 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't really answer the question < 1399493651 870907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mines himself some paranoiacoins. < 1399493685 453655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399493686 984087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​060x3coin 13djtcoin 04bagdalcoin 07bubnccoin 08wiecoin 09hevecoin 02brzelcoin 06ihaxcoin 13mesheencoin 04minicoin 07>coin 08cheminicoin 09prolamcoin 02carumcoin 06zetarcoin 13nehuntumcoin 04nuishcoin 07siminingcoin 08msgcoin 09brocoin < 1399493700 379167 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>coin < 1399493708 997987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zetarcoin is almost metarcoin < 1399494099 698875 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihaxcoin < 1399494170 407261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cookiecoin. < 1399494195 644808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seemed to be no traps at that Google recruiting event I talked about previously. < 1399494215 698081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seemed to be no recruiting to speak of going on either, on the other hand. < 1399494349 370831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you sure you're not still there, inside a virtual reality room < 1399494383 622106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're concentrating that more on their stand at the conference, but it makes me wonder if the event had much of a purpose. Though I guess purely by accident there must've been a couple recruiting-related Googler/non-Googler interactions. < 1399494400 606226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of that, but at least the view was nice. < 1399494415 461750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :overt recruitment might trigger defensive responses < 1399494450 823366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so they're just being sneaky and underhanded. < 1399494482 909030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stuffed droids looked sympathetic, I give them that. < 1399494494 950473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Green and furry.) < 1399494517 166306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no parachute required? < 1399494540 646337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I recall you were making plans for an emergency exit < 1399494549 496135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just took the elevator down. Assuming I ever left. (Cf. oerjan) < 1399494552 775343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or people made them for you, my memory is hazy on that point :) < 1399494558 726690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter, I think. < 1399494586 906909 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar COIN < 1399494590 748372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did speak to two Google people, but of quite inconsequential topics. < 1399494642 281235 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you'll have to wait for metasepia and/or boily < 1399494759 626910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You entered "COIN" < 1399494760 747885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, either there are no data available for your request or you did not enter any valid ICAO airport abbreviations < 1399494775 983858 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad < 1399494808 265126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :COIN is the name of the "centre of excellence" (a funding-related construct) I worked for, or possibly still do. < 1399494837 325152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an acronym (or at least approximately), but I forget what it stands for. < 1399494844 471824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "inverse" was in there somewhere. < 1399494859 948058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre of inverse non-excellence? < 1399494893 28776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Finnish Centre of Excellence in Computational Inference Research (COIN) --" < 1399494904 596807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :COmputational INference, I guess. < 1399494910 601948 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess too < 1399494923 806630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mputation and co-mputation. < 1399494932 792446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Interferences Research < 1399494962 924190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I see it didn't even have "inverse" in the name. < 1399495006 115149 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399495111 649903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh. The "Centre of Excellence in Inverse Problems" is a separate CoE, and it doesn't have an acronym. V. confusing. < 1399495168 212172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cabal Of Interfering Numismatists < 1399495168 397477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :INPR probably sounded too silly. < 1399495194 130927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd think it was a myers-briggs classification. < 1399495222 555925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a valid one? I always forget the letters. < 1399495248 985135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there is no R and the P goes last. < 1399495259 258975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them should be T/F, I guess. < 1399495322 764419 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399495431 244292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introvert-intuitive-programmed-random, perhaps. < 1399495495 183423 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird: when someone mentions a number of big names in your field and they are Mystic Amazing Mathematician #1, Mystic Amazing Mathematician #2, and the guy I took a course from last year < 1399496200 508713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: has your guy ever been seen together with Mystic Amazing Mathematician #3 ? < 1399496210 462137 :nycs!~nycs@ip-64-32-224-203.nyc.megapath.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399496282 107522 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm pretty sure it's his secret identity < 1399496312 820522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1399496358 220808 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399496638 975056 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399496639 166540 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1399496639 314807 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1399496745 123209 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399496824 209847 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1399496827 239238 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399496919 420904 :nycs!~nycs@ip-64-32-224-203.nyc.megapath.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399497243 587543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, can any of you folks (no need for more than one or two answers) DNS-resolve zem.fi? It works from my university shell account, but not from this hotel, nor via Google's 8.8.8.8, yet doing it with dig manually (@a.fi zem.fi ns and so on) seems just fine. < 1399497267 879485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I did something wrong w.r.t. DNSSEC key expiration. < 1399497271 802042 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can even see your ltree. < 1399497281 888896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :164.138.29.87 via my router < 1399497285 329232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing via 8.8.8.8 < 1399497310 178906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read from somewhere that 8.8.8.8 does DNSSEC these days. < 1399497337 399031 :password2!~password@197.78.190.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399497435 807821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, those RRSIGs have expiration times today. I think I tried to tell them not to do that. < 1399497459 917210 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Quit: realz < 1399497718 299696 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399497998 750855 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399498367 424351 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399498367 571411 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1399498394 325969 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1399498864 669604 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399498994 827330 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399499163 676539 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1399499456 942806 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399499660 354947 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399499694 249207 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:Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399557333 417794 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1399557495 768927 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399558690 751448 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399559029 948666 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399559854 630681 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1399560524 790735 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399560563 441678 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399560637 926923 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-anfwthlhnxzeojdh JOIN :#esoteric < 1399560920 948568 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1399560931 187595 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does Java get a more powerful typesystem? < 1399561427 344776 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399561433 715353 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399561488 295268 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399561633 790067 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would Java do anything < 1399561785 337177 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, easy now < 1399561811 412302 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399561819 31621 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their fabled lambdas still haven't landed in a stable version < 1399561843 723826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399561870 578516 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, whoa, lambdas in a stable version of a language? Sounds scary < 1399561879 729279 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Lisp < 1399562019 137549 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds scary < 1399562141 695490 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaat, C has a native complex type? < 1399562146 281075 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in C99 apparently < 1399562158 418082 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is blown < 1399562223 899394 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>:] < 1399562405 397936 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399563016 772265 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399563362 708911 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399563674 716597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399563701 390111 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399563945 536806 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399563965 415612 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399564008 469467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399564442 652170 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rasen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39477&oldid=39474 5* 03Wolgr 5* (+647) 10 < 1399564573 472789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rasen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39478&oldid=39477 5* 03Wolgr 5* (+57) 10 < 1399564792 792274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Wolgr14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39479&oldid=38383 5* 03Wolgr 5* (+26) 10 < 1399565036 730542 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399567028 263809 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399567082 819003 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399567429 450630 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399567593 942861 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :atriq < 1399567676 795853 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb < 1399568372 471717 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399568461 476819 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu NICK :b_jonas < 1399568646 163443 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399568735 901474 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07hello < 1399568749 205367 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07hola < 1399568844 71513 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07o.o < 1399568901 181956 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1399568901 717270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found < 1399568926 304684 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07hi < 1399568936 683129 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07pues nada < 1399568948 972825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nick_1, hello < 1399568975 90749 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07bonjour < 1399569027 859337 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07hello mroman < 1399569051 519049 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07hello pahntom_hoover < 1399569067 869623 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07phantom* < 1399569150 944584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what brings you to #esoteric then < 1399569259 577819 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07thanks < 1399569391 317132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1399569608 803226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399569747 274667 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07no much is spoken here < 1399569849 592271 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07i from spain < 1399569990 72443 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399570438 176744 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399570555 381831 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ < 1399570659 795623 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07>"< < 1399570676 696251 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nick_1: why art thou speaking in yellow? < 1399570690 315671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399570747 618878 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physics http://i.imgur.com/ton5Pwz.gif < 1399570758 262128 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399570786 372679 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07mIRC < 1399570817 701190 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01ok < 1399570834 835507 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you use the standard text colour, those are disctracting? < 1399570857 940270 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1399570868 759811 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3why would he do that? < 1399570871 591532 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01ok,change it < 1399570946 355643 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01some topic? < 1399570998 479621 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are still using a non-default colour, but I do give you that dark grey is nicer than yellow < 1399571049 857529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a happy user of '/set hide_colors on' in irssi < 1399571060 999937 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though that means I've never had a genuine relcome experience) < 1399571063 339058 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01o_o < 1399571109 758616 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you interested in esoteric programming languages? < 1399571343 74774 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01i interested in esoteric < 1399571357 544679 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01i,m < 1399571366 221223 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of esoteric? < 1399571409 489639 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01all < 1399571440 979694 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you might want to be at #esoteric at dalnet (?) < 1399571442 608873 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01energy,tarot, < 1399571445 308049 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01etc < 1399571464 911922 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nick_1: would you please change your text color? I cannot see what you are writing, because i'm using a dark background color < 1399571467 214613 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is about unorthodox uses of computer science < 1399571531 831606 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and main topic of discussion is anything except that < 1399571617 831834 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01ok < 1399571634 767277 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399571638 928643 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :01bye < 1399571644 892346 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I cannot see anything since that is black-on-black < 1399571665 76525 :Nick_1!~ircap@47.59.124.154 PART :#esoteric < 1399571878 694305 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399571883 695932 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :95% of IRC discussions are off topic < 1399571900 511782 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not statistics, nor science. It's a rule. < 1399571961 127543 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399572164 703887 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399572262 576063 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399572464 516753 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399572480 332286 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399572503 334709 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399572516 245683 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399572516 469406 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1399572516 616662 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1399573268 455348 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399573279 168999 :password2!~password@197.78.164.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399573399 264105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote topic < 1399573399 918830 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :414) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry \ 837) FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion \ 86 < 1399574969 437336 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399577193 500978 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399577337 350191 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399577771 451613 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399578001 145555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I missed Norway's ESC entry. #sorryoerjan < 1399578060 874805 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/koerperkirmes/status/464397340905078784/photo/1 oh dear < 1399578091 606265 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"new concentration" < 1399578144 234260 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399578323 737232 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399578817 940436 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this classy macedonia intro < 1399578841 372209 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399578940 631745 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399579116 205850 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'll wait for the final < 1399579700 731340 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399579766 465202 :impomatic!~john_metc@37.152.203.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399580265 134494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399580291 275508 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399580319 711581 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399580450 470117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 'sok, i barely know it's ongoing. < 1399580460 505179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no idead what the norwegian song is. < 1399580464 282494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-d < 1399580587 565966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you know it's your duty to be clean. < 1399580749 589947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm probably breaking german laws just by making that joke. < 1399580855 55717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also common decency but it's ok because no one will get the reference.) < 1399581967 251868 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: nice < 1399582521 405705 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399582524 80820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: heh < 1399582539 522413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^.) < 1399582540 356997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting a s a -> a < 1399582591 783102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chinese grocery stores in the US tend to have names like Super 88, 8 being a lucky number < 1399582595 20864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly awkward < 1399582823 717763 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399582890 755162 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 88 a special significance? < 1399582922 887518 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that lucky for certain people a few decades ago. < 1399582928 68889 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a code for HH < 1399583008 277024 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a funeral hearse drives past, you must hide your thumb in a fist. This is because the Japanese word for thumb literally translates as "parent-finger" and hiding it is considered protection for your parent. If you don't, your parent will die." < 1399583014 626352 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_superstitions#Linguistic_superstition < 1399583048 426328 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think olsner might not be a Nazi. < 1399583052 408136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there we go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#In_white_nationalism < 1399583053 221777 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of an easy way to get your parents killed < 1399583060 817806 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: :D < 1399583083 525175 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :HH didn't ring a bell either... 88 is a quite popular swedish ice cream stick though < 1399583124 325845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitler on a stick < 1399583139 805893 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1399583152 996965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1399583204 433724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HH is short for Helly Hansen. < 1399583221 921477 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well, so's walking on a crack. < 1399583252 777583 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The letter H is eighth in the English alphabet, whereby 88 becomes HH" i'm sorry but this is far too dumb to take seriously < 1399583266 390826 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for white nationalists, who are already pretty fuckin dumb < 1399583281 852733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Nazis aren't known for their shining brightness. < 1399583294 153003 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You think so? 18 for Adolf Hitler is quite popular among them, too. < 1399583310 224848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you know all this? is everyone a secret nazi? < 1399583321 158498 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just too silly. t hey might as well be wearing white cloaks and pointy ahts < 1399583323 312397 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18 < 1399583324 163537 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hats < 1399583347 556262 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Either that or German. ;p < 1399583348 95551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nazi schmatzi < 1399583365 99469 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the later < 1399583382 632189 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about the others here, though < 1399583406 905086 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the anti-nazi laws in germany i'm going to assume everyone is arrested when they turn 88 years old < 1399583441 218472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently sweden won some chef's competition with: truffel-stewed pig's foot with blood crust < 1399583479 328099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think edibility would be included in the scoring somewhere < 1399583486 755098 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: with that logic there should be no nazis in germany because of those laws < 1399583494 777630 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399583500 614079 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1399583514 313736 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that < 1399583550 143410 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (+ ord 'A') . subtract 1) [3,1,3,3,7] < 1399583551 587624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "CACCG" < 1399583552 32280 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you doubt the long arm of the law? for shame < 1399583625 373427 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any difference between substract and -? < 1399583646 529842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: opposite argument order < 1399583669 713125 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399583682 244042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1+) 3 < 1399583683 46851 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could've used (- 1)? < 1399583683 726620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1399583692 350282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, that's unary minus < 1399583702 770778 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1399583720 876147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtract only exists because of that syntax quirk < 1399583723 955664 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a controversial kluge. < 1399583743 663452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type negate < 1399583744 505864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a < 1399583763 13860 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I've heard the ice cream 88 was once controversial because of the alleged nazi connection < 1399583819 16298 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: g2g < 1399583887 734546 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard Nazis were once controversial because of the alleged Nazi connection. < 1399584083 709890 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-anfwthlhnxzeojdh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399584324 674925 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399584745 450760 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399585232 704145 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399587075 185769 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399587567 480694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zero14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39480&oldid=39475 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+2029) 10add hello world < 1399587961 493026 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140421221237] < 1399588169 347454 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.146.209 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1399589134 619960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399589316 452790 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399589372 369574 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399589837 405545 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399589906 328780 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399589945 349364 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399590104 210291 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399590721 693140 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399591681 357573 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399592468 9925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399592716 64839 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1399592716 253434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly said 14h 17m 4s ago: not particularily much, no < 1399592743 864739 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: FirelloFly. what wasn't much that which it approximatively wasn't? < 1399593267 330418 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399593505 476866 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399593519 858582 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you know what isn't, but not very? < 1399593520 427824 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: whereas the spec has one stack for each of your target application isn't usually a difficult task... even without knowing it's in rinkworks. hm. are you happy? < 1399593534 944560 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I am. < 1399593535 388178 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's an i386 slackware package too.)) yields the cartesian product of as and bs. :p they even give you the option of not getting killed... < 1399593565 850723 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I ain't used the slack in a long time. I'm still an Arch fanboy, even if my laptop runs ubuntu. < 1399593566 33658 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sadol doesn't support file i/ o < 1399593589 256364 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I rest my case. < 1399593589 403101 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: table-size just returns a random factoid for the given task < 1399593601 811556 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: your momma's a random factoid. < 1399593636 760470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hashes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39481&oldid=35043 5* 0393.115.84.195 5* (+0) 10/* example */ < 1399593674 512377 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399594335 92681 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399594356 693575 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399594796 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:tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399598523 969093 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399598630 89478 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399598734 700144 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399598742 951437 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399598784 251461 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399598966 794176 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399599094 701813 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399599193 871307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Gs30ng14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39482&oldid=20546 5* 03Gs30ng 5* (+499) 10Reply to Chris Pressey < 1399599278 246638 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT 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:#esoteric < 1399619700 333368 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399619904 276500 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399620197 475841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : compiled for your viewing pleasure https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/67b3ffb982fa31eb9b65 <-- a view into the mind of a Very Sane Man. sadly not chronological. < 1399620268 652679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399620335 342183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/EYT9clp.png finally < 1399620426 870836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now you can quit < 1399620427 234754 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i the only one who feels weird about an erotic shop doing a mother's day lottery? < 1399620456 540976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1399620516 489070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it MILF day < 1399620590 534938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: doubtful < 1399620863 381226 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's V-E Day, in moscow anyway < 1399621015 754040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :privet tovarish < 1399621059 595717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399621061 102895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04aubercoin 07rnassingcoin 08intfull+coin 09ockcoin 02kipplexcoin 06shacccccccoin 13bdacoin 04stackcoin 07splcoin 08oortecoin 09snuskelloucoin 02emiacoin 06genheaperumcoin 13bogkcoin 04rvelyardshinrcoin 07traincoin 08poinecoin 09arbazocoin 02wallcoin 06alpotcoin < 1399621188 569061 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :pong < 1399621193 864805 :pong!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1399621234 762217 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399621275 448910 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTL in hard mode without pausing http://www.twitch.tv/lethalfrag < 1399622194 996033 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as stealth, lol < 1399622483 742154 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrwabeflpxltrxoj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399624389 829399 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.113.153.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399625869 474209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I passed a grocery store which displayed the slogans "My Mouth Can Make Sounds But These Sounds Are Not Words" and "Every Vegetable Is A Word" < 1399625922 579583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Have No Mouth But I Need My Veggies < 1399625977 129584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1399627102 251339 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399627529 487145 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399627874 919489 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399628327 120450 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1399629082 246644 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399629656 418908 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399629696 838728 :password2!~password@197.78.164.152 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399629819 388058 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399629877 496556 :password2!~password@197.78.180.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399629926 428375 :password2!~password@197.78.180.252 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1399629976 472167 :password2!~password@197.78.180.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399630552 451950 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399630898 67420 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399631043 699844 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1399632069 378393 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399633041 382724 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1399633141 552512 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399634233 308109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399634853 378456 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399635159 409881 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's anyone other than me whose first programming language was esoteric < 1399635269 353602 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399635575 957523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/898b104158d < 1399635578 314449 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get this. < 1399635599 464592 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This kind of compression inevitably discards information. " < 1399635616 599527 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4, 6, 8, 12, 14, 18, 20, 24…. This is an infinite series defined as: odd primes plus 1." < 1399635641 481084 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how 4,6,8 => odd primes + 1 is a lossy compression < 1399635870 607235 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, was the first programming language you learned esoteric? < 1399635904 282973 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1399635974 235944 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.clonk.de/docs/en/sdk/script/index.html < 1399635982 968707 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that was the first programming language I learned < 1399636039 550087 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html < 1399636042 115489 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- mine < 1399636061 308106 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a scripting language for a 2D-Game < 1399636084 917021 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399636087 931531 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allowed players to create own stuff for it < 1399636089 81897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, if I hadn't seen that language my life would be very different right now < 1399636128 854001 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :better or worse ;)? < 1399636157 425174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, probably worse < 1399636164 97927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't have met you < 1399636176 908403 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or like most of the people I know < 1399636204 856811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not quite true < 1399636219 708256 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found Piet via Irregular Webcomic < 1399636233 194188 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I hadn't read that I wouldn't have met most of the people I know < 1399636387 120788 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1399636444 865806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nice < 1399636579 436278 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF902EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399636579 621750 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF902EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399636579 621822 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399636845 126346 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :my whole internet experience sorta cascaded down from a single seed too. i guess dosgames.com! i wonder what life would've been like had i picked another one < 1399637100 204116 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what all the seeds were for me. I'm quite sure I found perlmonks early, and that stickmanstickman (now at "http://stickman.qntm.org/index.php") was the first webcomic I read, < 1399637186 569873 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my seed was ohjelmointiputka.net, which I first used by printing some of the qbasic code snippets out so I could type those in on my computer (which lacked internet) < 1399637471 879846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the first esoteric programming language was that I've heared of. Could have been either intercal or unlambda. < 1399637854 138907 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399637861 427923 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.113.153.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399637933 698380 :impomatic!~john_metc@87.113.153.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399639731 444807 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399640652 972071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it was Befunge that was the first esolang I came across, but I have no recollection where. < 1399640679 785064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Think of it, if that hadn't happened, you might not exist! < 1399640680 90843 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: speaking of which i can't upload from work _) are done only after beating the other guy < 1399641310 665687 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399641700 593420 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.208.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399641800 719697 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399642073 374623 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399643174 726216 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399643478 396451 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399644721 291487 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :sign < 1399644881 402328 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.208.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399645215 716348 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1399645254 440525 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399645496 2167 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399645778 386313 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399646479 266291 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eovfxsgzuhajnlhu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399646488 626080 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399646579 625145 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399646753 789255 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399647093 730057 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399647248 803902 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399647365 651945 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hnzjzyypjuvzrkwo JOIN :#esoteric < 1399647378 344427 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399648017 766715 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399648055 33683 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrhxsokojkkjwvsj JOIN :#esoteric < 1399648220 448904 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399648867 513985 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolang I first came across was either Brainfuck och Argh! < 1399648968 415185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the former, although I think the first I wrote a program in is the latter < 1399648970 774927 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"och"? < 1399648980 856033 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or* < 1399648982 146654 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, I think it was probably Brainfuck or INTERCAL. < 1399649012 575199 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much language context-switching, I suppose < 1399649039 822462 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it was definitely brainfuck first, then either befunge 98 or Lazy K < 1399649059 927185 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1399649083 536557 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc I found the wiki through befunge, so it probably was second < 1399649122 614742 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm founding the Esoteric Standard Committee (ESOSC). Who's in? :P < 1399649132 808808 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, why not < 1399649152 837052 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the spirit! < 1399649170 745763 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it do? < 1399649177 578429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what would that do < 1399649198 529753 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399649206 741861 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, ESC is all over the news already < 1399649251 774538 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurovision song contest final tomorrow night! < 1399649690 901451 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Issuing standards < 1399649725 97139 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for esolang related stuff < 1399649764 109847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, can we create a "normalized brainfuck" standard? < 1399649800 598895 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what sort of standards? < 1399649989 633698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, nortti: Some standardized brainfuck < 1399649990 925464 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm < 1399649993 165652 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :standardizing EOF < 1399649995 516070 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that kinda thing < 1399650004 568453 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EOF for Brainfuck) < 1399650012 158804 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1399650029 756164 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrap-around for cells, tape etc. < 1399650029 903554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not sound like a real standards body. You need a lot more bureaucracy. Working groups and so on. < 1399650053 199796 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1399650059 53227 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are working groups, right? < 1399650060 480558 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1399650065 257927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I'd say normalized brainfuck for ease of interpretation < 1399650070 214931 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, no comments/whitespace < 1399650075 313088 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8bit cells, wrap-around, eof-is-0? < 1399650076 645576 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1399650091 91507 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like uhm. < 1399650092 326836 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can make a number of brainfuck standards! < 1399650127 635219 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOSC 2014-2 requires for a normalized bf programm to only contain chars [.,+-><]? < 1399650140 322095 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything else isn't ESOSC conform < 1399650144 828873 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1399650167 547507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't conform to ESOSC 2014-2 "Normalized brainfuck (nbf)" < 1399650180 981183 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1399650188 975756 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we also need to define the semantics of the language < 1399650194 947232 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a draft :D < 1399650242 160610 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what happens to newlines in envs where newline is not 0x10 < 1399650243 432892 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that's left to do is finding someone who can draw a fancy logo < 1399650262 363297 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're good < 1399650375 459489 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399650475 585658 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you can count me in < 1399650489 423643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that's only first normal form of bf < 1399650547 293802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: second normal form bf programs further don't have the sequence ][ nor >< nor +- nor -+ < 1399650565 30863 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no ][ ? < 1399650574 846907 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1399650582 940211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: the second loop never runs. it's used as a form of comment. < 1399650590 772026 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking "that is not a null" < 1399650612 529449 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I realized the second loops never runs since first one ends with a 0 < 1399650624 997595 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be third? < 1399650635 492269 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :second should be like no unmatched brackets and stuff? < 1399650651 33118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? you need no unmatched brackets in any valid bf program < 1399650652 610648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, that can be done with a simple CFG < 1399650713 58446 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a simple sentence < 1399650720 273072 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1399650831 224775 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1399650855 705400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :S -> AS|λ < 1399650867 521429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A -> +|-|<|>|,|.|[S] < 1399650913 407939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks about right. < 1399651650 416958 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of "states" do we need? < 1399651653 447507 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Draft, Approved? < 1399651655 414398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399651661 998207 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "Revoked"? < 1399651689 563531 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Draft, Approved, Forgotten? < 1399651889 630537 :password2!~password@197.78.180.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399651951 752678 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgotten? < 1399651956 335228 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean < 1399651962 89624 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsolete? < 1399652017 583270 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yeah. my brains do not work today < 1399652063 149675 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1399652098 696505 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the BNF of standard's identification string/number :) < 1399652142 763686 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "forgotten" < 1399652222 723119 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for drafts that are abandoned since everyone losy focus? < 1399652246 218861 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lost < 1399652311 100017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the status of most standards once they've gone through the test of time < 1399652452 634277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do like the notion of tracking it formally. :) < 1399652479 335107 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what criteria would be used to determine if a standard is forgotten? < 1399652494 992482 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399652562 57601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's forgotten when nobody remembers it. < 1399652582 481727 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no-one would remember to change its status < 1399652621 716538 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399652668 540999 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need some outside historian assign the status for you < 1399652724 85306 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting idea < 1399653075 241586 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399653082 988301 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399653113 664301 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399653461 61266 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399653582 320032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the statuses shall be: 1. draft, 2. still draft but already obsolate, 3. accepted but was already obsolate when it was accepted, 4. we claim it's draft and will finish it some day but actually it's vaporware and will be forgotten eventually < 1399653600 360379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, we might need 5. revoked too < 1399653917 250110 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399654093 946057 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399654144 551518 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D1-R1.pdf <- gotta set some ground rules < 1399654234 741165 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399654463 928990 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for example ESOSC-2014-D1 -> ESOSC-2014-D1-R2 -> ESOSC-2014-A1 -> ESOSC-2014-O1 ? < 1399654587 274391 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-D1-R1 < 1399654673 570774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve! < 1399654701 975171 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve, too < 1399655004 554763 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yeah < 1399655713 637346 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not R2D2 < 1399655728 289590 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399655818 675878 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta document when a standard gets obsolete and stuff < 1399655822 881538 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can approve it ;) < 1399655992 90579 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399656126 938502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399656150 90789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399656254 115369 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399656434 815688 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399656797 445495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399656956 874783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399656958 575908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08todcoin 092d-revcoin 02quatcoin 06constanticoin 13parcoin 04saaticoin 07ferrocoin 08oddbalcoin 09suxecoin 02nybracoin 06lyapascoin 13luigecoin 04embaschlacoin 07rocurdcoin 08baycoin 09forcoin 02catamecoin 06divilliicoin 13rubecoin 04objectcoin < 1399656978 445292 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --swedish < 1399656979 336492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04styrercoin < 1399657004 642541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the sound of objectcoin < 1399657015 875087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like rubecoin < 1399657043 974607 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof of work is a overcomplicated solution to a simple problem? < 1399657122 350559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEANWHILE IN /R/BITCOIN: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25205w/lets_hire_an_expendables_like_group_to_free_the/ < 1399657609 926797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1399657642 382815 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all reddit bitcoiners that lost in touch with reality? < 1399657654 113978 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Taneb: http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D1-R2.pdf < 1399657732 368612 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anylonger" should be two words < 1399657748 310931 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we specify the format but not its meaning < 1399657804 158193 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah < 1399657818 502587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well, fair play to them it's downvoted into the negatives and all the replies are critical < 1399657825 781030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just too hilarious to pass up on < 1399657840 263444 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :year of issue and an ever increasing number < 1399657866 517326 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: also, it could be good to note that only apprived versions are ever obsoleted < 1399657903 83953 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*approved < 1399657911 968508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why? < 1399657921 274512 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I put this... < 1399657940 456115 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :consists of a number that is successively increased with every new standard? < 1399657975 316569 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: to prevent confusion when there are non-obsolete versions that contain the same info as obsolete ones? admitedly, the labelling of them as drafts should tick them off < 1399657992 904160 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399657999 774547 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drafts can be "Rejected" I guess? < 1399658009 176375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at "On Hold" < 1399658011 510805 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... meh < 1399658043 435710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, more representative sample: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/251314/its_the_perfect_time_to_buy_bitcoins/ < 1399658049 40877 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably best to leave that corner-case out and do as we see best once the situation actually happens < 1399658165 960932 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. And I wrote "avouded" < 1399658173 276638 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Further the EUIN < 1399658175 303298 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :encodes the year of issue and a number that is successively increased with every new standard to ensure uniqueness. " < 1399658187 560103 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that sound good? < 1399658218 35449 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399658297 852427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would happen if something has a revision in December then another in January? < 1399658312 741027 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "first issue"? < 1399658321 709755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :year of first issue < 1399658333 681260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd make the most sense I think < 1399658377 244480 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the year the work on the draft began < 1399658402 819117 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same EUIN (except for changed status and no revision in end) is kept when it is aproved < 1399658483 968477 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say so < 1399658930 990536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399658936 383216 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399659245 943311 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Taneb: http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D1-R3.pdf < 1399659285 479149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try again < 1399659359 496435 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 404 < 1399659386 439323 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1399659388 708240 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399659395 447220 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now? < 1399659441 158581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works < 1399659489 386843 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "be approved" rather than "get approved" < 1399659504 553786 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly "be marked as approved" < 1399659542 414509 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. < 1399659799 632023 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ESOSC can correct grammar/typos without a new revision :) < 1399659815 171424 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1399659818 148670 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should mention that < 1399659832 132541 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> new revision < 1399659832 766846 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that a revision is a draft < 1399659842 105827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399659858 861994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you revise a standard the revision of that standard is in state "draft" < 1399659928 621436 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"standardization of esoteric programming languages " <- is that a joke? < 1399659935 398812 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this standard will be integrated into the esolang standardisation system < 1399660006 634489 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedSquirrel: Nah. It's serious business < 1399660023 694544 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious business (tm) < 1399660037 707039 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make all esolangs look like brainfuck < 1399660043 240348 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :done. < 1399660046 555328 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedSquirrel, ;alfiaewgoiaegwoierarrrgh < 1399660061 431661 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point Phantom__Hoover < 1399660152 227801 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399660160 782559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you know there's a tvtropes page for that right < 1399660176 460290 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume so < 1399660210 726203 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedSquirrel: everything we do here is dead serious < 1399660219 621648 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A new revision of an approved standard is put into the draft state and requires the usual approval process taking place. Revisions of standards in draft state < 1399660222 626468 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are not affected by this. The ESOSC is allowed to correct gramma, orthographical or similar mistakes without requiring a new revision. " < 1399660234 228547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The dead serious channel | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1399660235 229548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grammar < 1399660268 747396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*granma < 1399660277 496480 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gamma < 1399660290 27266 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*handlebar < 1399660337 633108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: your voice recognition needs work < 1399660347 159356 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote navajo < 1399660347 793757 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :724) hang on I have bright idea navajo to f me 1 in 3 people < 1399660360 349370 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the builtin orthographical mistakes is standardized copyprotection < 1399660442 239912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D1-R4.pdf < 1399660505 326524 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399660598 403794 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve < 1399660655 589929 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also approve. < 1399660793 15264 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1399660798 225094 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one become a member :D? < 1399660810 298913 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1399660819 406210 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires approval of three members to become a member < 1399660826 412275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good thing? < 1399660829 704349 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1399660832 719002 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1399660835 514800 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399660840 120271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care :) < 1399660879 756158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bad thing < 1399660883 48508 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the hell is going on and whether or not i am a member, but i approve < 1399660890 327667 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, two thirds majority? < 1399660902 274362 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :approval by ehird is absolutely satisfying < 1399660904 575780 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah. why not. < 1399660952 171084 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Do you approve two thirds majoirity? < 1399660957 226306 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I don't have to make a R5 :D < 1399661010 286896 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... what the hell is esosc and where can i sign in? < 1399661044 386068 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? esosc < 1399661050 480291 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esosc < 1399661051 187650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esosc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1399661081 559388 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 2/3 majority on what? < 1399661150 325629 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I approve < 1399661152 219199 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3 majority to become a member of the esosc < 1399661158 895190 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a new member < 1399661167 422034 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, works for me < 1399661171 8587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399661175 466675 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our first approved standard < 1399661230 510515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1399661292 455883 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn esosc is esoteric song contest < 1399661293 956921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1399661301 486173 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can work on that nbf < 1399661372 359369 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i ask how it came the world needs an "Esoteric Standard Committee"? somebody requested it? < 1399661375 799031 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$/ (also Esoteric Standard Committee)/' wisdom/esosc < 1399661377 285908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399661384 931257 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedSquirrel: 18:25 < mroman_> I'm founding the Esoteric Standard Committee (ESOSC). Who's in? :P < 1399661394 186966 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1399661579 444602 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.16.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399661654 658080 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, nbf deals both with how the bf source file is stored and implementation details like EOF handling? < 1399661716 21990 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, we could split the two specifications < 1399661726 594856 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brainfuck conventions" < 1399661730 608778 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I agree that would be better < 1399661731 454107 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Normalized brainfuck" < 1399661762 833324 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because one is directed at source code, other at implementation < 1399661793 236292 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what does that committee actually do? < 1399661803 135219 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, we make standards < 1399661866 888853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there needs to be a draft for adding lambda to brainfuck < 1399661893 68504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oop < 1399661928 816709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there will be an entirely different brainfuck standardisation sponsored by microsoft. < 1399661931 592039 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arithmetical type system < 1399661947 109253 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it called windows? < 1399661999 320215 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION giggles < 1399662077 657684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: We make standards, yeah. < 1399662158 272198 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am quite unsure if i want to join < 1399662172 528646 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on one hand it sounds totally awesome < 1399662181 397030 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it sounds like it could be actual work < 1399662251 224215 :archaic!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-hjgmkopygwwxcqum JOIN :#esoteric < 1399662259 628598 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some work involved, yes. < 1399662408 363200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399662417 548111 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while uncountable amounts of new esolangs are invented everyday, the channel had to change its focus on inventing some standards ..it's not that anybody wants it.. they're just necessary < 1399662447 222554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1399662490 550824 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there's now a standards committee < 1399662554 259027 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399662572 940323 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should found another one that defines standards that are always slightly incompatible with ESOSC standards < 1399662581 522522 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you satan? < 1399662593 469630 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1399662594 458376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many CHF does it cost to buy the official copy of a ESOSC standard < 1399662597 92152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it following on from the work of eso-std? < 1399662610 505480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that project collapsed when we couldn't agree on a format that the standards should be in < 1399662619 24605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if anyone but me cared about the actual standardisation part < 1399662620 395980 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric sexually transmitted disease? < 1399662630 762891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric standardisation, I guess < 1399662634 691151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1399662638 970506 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like superaids? < 1399662652 357260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :retroviruses are pretty esoteric < 1399662663 523073 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :D < 1399662686 192052 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399662714 983956 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399662757 698742 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've called it just ESO < 1399662770 722213 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be more puny in respect to ISO < 1399662794 552007 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first thing would be a definition of an OSE reference modell < 1399662805 686113 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1399662840 239960 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399662857 356291 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399663174 524108 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399663199 709155 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399663397 965224 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-A1.pdf <- and there it is. < 1399663451 282181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "hyphen" production isn't defined < 1399663460 243894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Y10K bug < 1399663481 564932 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1399663482 468565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and numbers allow arbitrarily many leading zeros, not sure if that's intended < 1399663486 54374 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should've been < 1399663591 229260 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399663635 565623 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y10K bug :D < 1399663643 498541 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1399663653 969502 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I second that < 1399663654 176745 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y2^64 bug? < 1399663663 595051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're representing years in base 10? boring < 1399663858 600261 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do I voice the opinion that all specifications should be available in html format online, in addition to pdf? < 1399663908 163750 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, probably < 1399664065 962755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :form a working group < 1399664068 509331 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :download and fill out the esosc-request forms < 1399664085 883550 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then fax them to mroman_ < 1399664098 132328 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a plan < 1399664119 595275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to submit a change request through your national standards body < 1399664154 407643 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if SIS recognises ESOSC as a standards body < 1399664178 540719 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sis? < 1399664186 718471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/dr_404.htm < 1399664207 551422 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what our national standards body is called < 1399664218 48116 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't remember what it expands to < 1399664231 375513 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know now.. i know where all this points at! learn the rules like a pro, to break them like an artist -picasso < 1399664232 110259 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :html. < 1399664233 526124 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1399664246 52691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SIS Swedish Standards Institute" < 1399664264 339723 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you a swede? < 1399664269 794366 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the fun in eden when there is no forbidden fruits? < 1399664270 225484 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1399664292 710158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel has a surprisingly large number of Scandinavians < 1399664308 689987 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even larger number of nordics < 1399664317 713399 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently "SIS" officially stands for "Swedish Standards Institute" nowadays < 1399664333 584499 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting < 1399664335 425409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "UTC" officially stands for "Coordinated Universal Time"? < 1399664341 323262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a bit like how UTC expands incorrectly in both french and english < 1399664342 774769 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1399664354 159593 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely < 1399664430 162651 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have latex2html I think on my windows < 1399664448 442580 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1399664526 314006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/huonw/brainfuck_macro Did you guys see this? < 1399664576 706597 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1399664616 713653 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://winterdom.com/2002/03/regardingecma234 < 1399664656 662503 :Rgasuit!~Rgasuit@5.135.109.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399664723 996839 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you know OWL? < 1399664732 368341 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Web Ontology Language < 1399664946 216269 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/upcoming.txt < 1399664985 322485 :Rgasuit!~Rgasuit@5.135.109.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399665250 575568 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399665396 757971 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399665838 302218 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1399665845 62974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this tool can't convert \begin{grammar} < 1399666114 51601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the IE tab bugs haven't been _entirely_ eradicated, i see; i got a single tab that was colored again < 1399666126 819522 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1399666158 974192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: send it to grammar school < 1399666171 294380 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-A1.html < 1399666192 346052 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1399666213 715828 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the OT1bchbn thingy there < 1399666218 408247 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks wrong :D < 1399666243 452810 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for what reason do you use IE master oerjan? < 1399666256 596924 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to check it out? < 1399666331 432616 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. you love writing bug-reports @ MS .. right? < 1399666334 888178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody should do Coccinelle for Rust < 1399666337 667349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome < 1399666417 61808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedSquirrel: laziness and habit < 1399666422 480317 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coccinelle? sounds dirty < 1399666459 458723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the one time i tried to install chrome one of my favorite websites stopped working properly. < 1399666478 66690 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're still missing a fancy logo though < 1399666509 52365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't bother with bug reports. < 1399666521 949540 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1399666528 881570 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1399666579 482328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there needs to be someone who uses IE just to keep you guessing. < 1399666594 785836 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not the conventional nerd < 1399666595 931191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear IE is pretty good these days < 1399666603 980713 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that < 1399666625 559362 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399666644 120706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC is probably by analogy to UT0 etc. < 1399666668 473875 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399666674 532492 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 2/3 is missing in the html output < 1399666677 374717 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399666686 432604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was writing notes on something < 1399666695 959701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've just written "HMM." < 1399666705 44009 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also drew a ship, which I scribbled out < 1399666710 364848 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at this < 1399666711 130716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about hidden markov models? < 1399666716 652723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1399666720 14571 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although sort of < 1399666729 553936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really sort of < 1399666764 551002 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could mean you want to travel < 1399666777 610906 :RedSquirrel!4d0b5b3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.91.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1399666817 147483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her Majesty's Moonship < 1399666958 740683 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1399666959 69900 NAMES :#esoteric < 1399666973 114435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*4d0b5b3d@*.77.11.91.61 > 1399666973 125800 NAMES :#esoteric < 1399666973 262962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric RedSquirrel :Bye hagb4rd < 1399667094 839665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1399667094 852302 NAMES :#esoteric < 1399667492 692599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't somebody create a Painfuck < 1399667495 601900 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Portable Brainfuck) < 1399667509 536972 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that introduces new symbols for EOF and Newline handling < 1399667533 810188 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there already is such a thing < 1399667557 652600 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as how many derivatives of bf exist certainly there should be one around them adressing those issues < 1399667585 428503 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399667653 855763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: in most of my esolangs nowadays, I have EOF = 0, NUL = 1, SOH = 2, etc. < 1399667690 787925 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399667736 446124 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lazy-k's eof=256 was pretty good < 1399667742 173465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many brainfuck derivatives but are there any brainfuck integrals < 1399667775 814420 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one construct a brainfuck integral? < 1399667852 8862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my problem < 1399667891 830923 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't someone invent a brainfuck derivative that replaces the tape's cells with a real line? < 1399667920 649136 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the loop condition would involve integrals in that case, maybe that counts < 1399667957 432180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what do you think of memoization of continuous functions < 1399667962 622304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust now supports inline brainfuck: https://github.com/huonw/brainfuck_macro < 1399667973 152157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't know, what do you think of it < 1399667985 140131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds p. interesting imo < 1399668009 770597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in particular the thing where you share most of the work between similar inputs to produce similar outputs < 1399668012 439965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about it < 1399668013 315417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1399668182 531934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also making it happen automatically with laziness when you use a particular sort of continuity?? < 1399668206 924108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you have a bit stream and a prefix of it gets shared < 1399668222 967279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that doesn't quite make sense < 1399668234 725504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1399668413 351552 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399668504 366298 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/a/iDJMg < 1399668714 726550 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, community was cancelled < 1399668717 549453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399668728 112108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399668764 82463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1399668778 934846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the saying goes, "they had a good run" < 1399668793 128207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of stopped watching / caring during this season < 1399668835 809018 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i haven't watched anything past season 3 < 1399668852 830438 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still feel sad in an abstract sense though! < 1399668855 764793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399669040 744463 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i probably shouldn't binge on tv shows that are still running, i just lose interest between seasons) < 1399669139 386990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been re-watching Peep Show with douglass_ < 1399669169 934641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the top few funniest shows I've ever seen < 1399669175 668654 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got about 5 minutes into the first episode of peep show and it was just too painful < 1399669216 572901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399669221 147213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I could see that < 1399669349 242397 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my family got me hooked on endeavour during the holidays but it's now between series as well < 1399669365 119661 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only hope i still give a shit next easter < 1399669570 670741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's endeavour < 1399669643 165340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, prequel to Inspector Morse iirc < 1399669666 848717 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399670063 347100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what possessed me to listen to a song titled "Vienna Arcweld Fucked Gamelan Rigid Tracking" < 1399670083 564003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"song" is perhaps an overstatement, it consists mostly of ominous ambient squeaking machinery noises < 1399670120 442290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't go wrong with gamelan < 1399670329 148435 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399670366 726529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1VcuffZocA&index=6&list=PL4CD9537492AEA538 < 1399670754 167272 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399671200 305804 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399671518 628864 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399671878 167882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots fall on fungot falls < 1399671878 418501 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it should use? which compiler, msvc? i'm inside your mom! < 1399671886 255715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1399671906 498602 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ooh, burn < 1399671913 376144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1399671939 874906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really between the two of them < 1399671968 560304 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399672052 664900 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399672069 737825 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote kmc: it should use? which compiler, msvc? i'm inside your mom! < 1399672069 978600 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: now to sleep. first lecture day of 2006 tomorrow, wouldn't want to use some package or other < 1399672071 126422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1193) kmc: it should use? which compiler, msvc? i'm inside your mom! < 1399672238 548430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has time travel all figured out. < 1399672238 713890 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't know if that is true. < 1399672278 339828 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot seems unusually lucid today < 1399672278 487158 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: my irix box could probably use one. < 1399672280 131663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so you have to forget that you know time travel to use it? fascinating! < 1399672280 302260 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have just been extended to fnord words... interesting < 1399672326 236019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, you've always done that. maybe you are actually past fungot. < 1399672326 523766 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think this is the guy working on def-bf, who is root fnord" in the various schemes/ i < 1399672362 975733 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't think oerjan is working on that, no < 1399672363 311659 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: freedom is slavery ignorance is strenght bush is president. so counting ballots is really more difficult than merge sort or insertion sort.... of evil! < 1399672377 893345 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :politics, eh < 1399672381 922203 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1399672417 511975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399672454 148710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have said before, there is no infinite loop of write operation in SQL, only of read operation (such as a SELECT statement); however, that is probably sufficient for most things anyways. < 1399672567 32064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: there seems to be an SO lens-related question which no one can answer http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23567695/implementing-polymorphic-deep-function-for-traversals-and-folds < 1399672585 282591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's over my lens head, at least) < 1399672844 959471 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399672850 688148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399673155 310197 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399673285 377083 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399673306 1919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the usual solution to that sort of thing is to not take a rank-2 Traversal argument and return a Traversal result but take some sort of Over p f s t a b sort of argument and return a similar result < 1399673331 477356 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399673331 624468 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399673377 344819 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399673377 533807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your caller needs to pick the types < 1399673379 508681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1399673520 586222 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399673609 390140 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399673645 399855 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399674124 684636 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399674408 222344 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399674552 922761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Rust's RefCell is kind of an interesting beast < 1399674557 525664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's mis-named or not < 1399674567 141030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not necessarily heap allocated < 1399674672 120905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its purpose is basically that you can do &RefCell -> &mut T < 1399674696 276848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this moves the enforcement of mutable pointer aliasing rules to runtime < 1399674731 761364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a RefCell is a T (annotated so that LLVM won't assume it's immutable) alongside a word for this dynamic borrow flag < 1399675259 327385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some ways to break said aliasing rules in servo < 1399675466 369790 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399675490 554257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really learn about rust and multable pointer aliasing rules sometime < 1399675617 32935 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds it mildly distressing that trying to envision lenses in Smalltalk is making him envision deliberately losing the property that the optics themselves are definable separately from the structures they traverse, solely because that fits better syntactically < 1399675623 857364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399675628 20749 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aLens,bLens,cLens) of: someStructure put: blah < 1399675630 381773 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of ugly < 1399675927 659202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: &mut references can't alias with any other reference < 1399675929 387907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the main thing < 1399675933 134150 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399676035 417405 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399676113 393970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is enforced statically, but you can break the rules in unsafe code and then enforce it dynamically, which is what std::cell implements < 1399676283 343678 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399676378 187383 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pharo seems headed in a more OO direction < 1399676463 415108 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/advanced-reflection-in-pharo < 1399676483 691441 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrhxsokojkkjwvsj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399676799 143760 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code mostly breaks the aliasing rules and then doesn't enforce them, and then writes are lost sometimes < 1399676824 610500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if a less safe language would end up doing the right thing more often < 1399676833 792460 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399676833 940208 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399677282 464349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you break the rules? < 1399677476 68382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you want rail for kalashnikov < 1399677959 931471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i see bizarre stuff http://stackoverflow.com/a/23575190/1088108 (also, pretty quick service) < 1399678502 726490 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399679341 101895 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1399679966 772119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399680373 868054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody on #sqlite channel knows how to answer my question how to fix it so that, it is possible to use savepoint inside of a INSTEAD OF trigger program and to rename views and other stuff. < 1399680385 567767 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399680479 275812 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399680537 622704 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399681282 550303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am typing in session 51 of Dungeons&Dragons game, for now. < 1399681366 209075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the D&D game I am playing the entire party of 5 people is completely split < 1399681384 54203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is certainly possible, and sometimes very useful. < 1399681384 645765 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two of us, including my character, have been arrested < 1399681391 963412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1399681412 881535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possession of some sort of superweapon < 1399681432 343631 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And antagonizing an empire < 1399681477 998859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character once did get arrested...on purpose. < 1399681563 605420 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was very much not on purpose < 1399681581 927361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I knew I would be let out in time, and there were other reasons and things too, including the phase of the moon.) < 1399681593 115380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was quite surprising that 3 of the party managed to get away < 1399681601 172903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When playing at D&D, you have to take advantage of the phase of the moon. < 1399681623 755095 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One by pretending to be blind and so harmless (his character is actually blind but it isn't a hindrance) < 1399681648 951380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One by using a carpet as a moving wall to shelter himself from arrows < 1399681687 804206 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one by teleporting through a very small hole in the ceiling onto the roof < 1399681863 125381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, any advice for getting out of jail in D&D? < 1399681867 538764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once managed to escape by replacing a door with its mirror image, stealing a wizard's wand, secretly giving it back to him, and stuff... < 1399681881 5696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I cannot say, since it depends a lot on the exact circumstances. < 1399681906 107885 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to figure it out myself < 1399681932 170503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the rest of the party will rescue me (it would be out of character for them) < 1399681935 663917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may just have to wait; even if you can do other things, sometimes that is the best way anyways. < 1399681987 111851 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the impression that if I wait I will eventually be executed or at least skinned alive < 1399681997 651526 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of which are ideal < 1399682002 266251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't wait too much! < 1399682015 55847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my best bet will be to talk my way out < 1399682017 922908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the way to write letters? < 1399682026 389157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pen is mightier than a sword, so use a pen! < 1399682037 75680 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1399682043 297990 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be the best option < 1399682050 203555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character does have quite high charisma < 1399682072 835987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's what I did; not to get out of jail though, but to convince someone to do something while I was in jail.) < 1399682216 163471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :High charisma is not enough. You also need a paper to write on! < 1399682247 513786 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that may be an issue < 1399682259 199835 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will also need some form of writing implement < 1399682306 911655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point, I wanted to tell something to someone in a house which I did not want to go near, and I had no pen or paper, but I did have a book, so I searched the book for a phrase similar enough to what I wanted to say, tore it out, tied it to a rock, and threw it through the window. < 1399682332 497238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if nothing else works, try using magic if you have any. < 1399682577 412425 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :static int bogo_comp( const void *a, const void *b ) { return rand() % 3 - 1; } < 1399682580 787477 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsort( deck, n_cards, sizeof(int), bogo_comp ); < 1399682588 48872 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1399682678 897422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Is that like "ORDER BY RANDOM()" in a SQL program? < 1399682713 542425 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be! depending on the sort ORDER BY performs < 1399682727 768675 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is a veeery good shuffle though < 1399682870 24529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ORDER BY will perform the same sort as if the value specified is an extra column of the table, then sort by that fake extra column. < 1399683071 746001 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399683183 906722 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: answered < 1399683559 718134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399683617 300078 :nooodl_!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399683834 721076 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399684792 759999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399685669 768403 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr why doesn't Pharo come with Symbol>>asBlock? < 1399685686 992770 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399685828 356506 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399685962 11232 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a ruby hack < 1399686063 434937 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399686799 700960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it UB to give qsort a comparison function that isn't a total order < 1399686874 422165 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it only have to be partial? < 1399686875 106441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust has separate Eq and TotalEq, Ord and TotalOrd < 1399686881 681216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much controversy over where floats fit into this < 1399686884 621839 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there PreOrd < 1399686886 983581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1399686895 683685 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what's the fucking point them < 1399686897 27936 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1399686902 397881 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a whole hierarchy of ordinals! < 1399686998 401261 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably no less defined than rand is < 1399687025 445038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, do normal sorting algorithms work with partial orders? < 1399687038 816374 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"work" < 1399687056 422050 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them will do something and then terminate < 1399687063 367893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1399687074 406983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such turing machine, very halting < 1399687083 236143 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :informative helpful answer a++ < 1399687102 629486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Actually, there is case where I would find such a thing helpful, to use sorting with partial ordering. < 1399687180 251659 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's PreOrd? < 1399687244 316312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are partial orders the same thing as transitive DAGs? < 1399687272 695403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partial orders are same thing as a thin category. < 1399687317 428358 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a preorder. < 1399687422 936920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a thing such as logic without free variables? < 1399687435 826816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I can figure out how to do it. < 1399687515 702907 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinatory? < 1399687685 956352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by that? < 1399687896 609966 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how PetitParser compares to Parsec < 1399687923 505809 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall something saying that PetitParser includes parser combinators, but also has something that avoids some pitfall? < 1399687942 723027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Instead it uses a unique combination of four alternative parser methodologies: scannerless parsers, parser combinators, parsing expression grammars and packrat parsers." < 1399688006 341237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about recursive descent parsers < 1399688010 767266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is packrat parsers < 1399688079 892676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia article about "packrat parser" redirected to "parsing expression grammar". < 1399688176 176524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot parser < 1399688176 404388 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: bzip2 is slow, of course. < 1399688181 402712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of course. < 1399688182 270814 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the cable doesn't bother me. lisp is shorter. people usually call " porting" gambit's web server? :) i'm implementing the cursors inside these structures partially with the postgresql c library. however, major dissidence isn't usually likely to be overtly malicious than to ddos :) < 1399688191 864574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1399688192 12137 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1399688328 53857 :canaima_!~canaima@201.243.26.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399688368 136823 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399688404 482236 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399688416 511897 :canaima_!~canaima@201.243.26.236 QUIT :Client Quit < 1399688642 56257 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i mean that the idea behind combinatory logic was "hey can we do lambda calculus w/o variables" < 1399688678 413266 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399688687 155207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, I can see that, but it isn't what I meant. < 1399688731 392600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that you still have variables, but only quantified variables. < 1399688852 219987 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the norm < 1399688866 42269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wikipedia article about sequent calculus mentions the restrictions on the use of free and quantified variables; this can be avoided by not having any free variables. < 1399688979 140759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "forall R" and "exist L" rules would be changed, by instead of a free variable "y" made up above the line, it would make up a unique "free atom", which is one not allow to use anywhere else; each usage of the rule makes up a new one and it isn't an atom mentioned elsewhere in the sequent above the line. < 1399691143 709796 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399691996 303941 :nooodl_!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399692169 155164 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399692437 434435 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399693131 246656 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399693448 741152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people don't believe me that in SQL, savepoints would be much more useful if allowed inside of a trigger program. < 1399693564 938697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck continuation-based web development < 1399693592 931878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What? < 1399693619 330917 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This site is practically unusable: http://bugs.pharo.org/ < 1399693648 91974 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try navigating to a bug, then figuring out how to share a link with a friend < 1399693740 499167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is terrible < 1399693754 379432 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs.pharo.org/issues/register/id/2058?_k=t5FQ1yAmItNRJSof let's see < 1399693795 909879 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: open that in an incognito window < 1399693802 165399 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs.pharo.org/issues/register/id/7627?_k=LAzNiBTJSnR_WP0l < 1399693808 90271 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo werid < 1399693919 739871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not the point of URLs and if you do not want URL of each file, don't use a webpage at all and just make a telnet or whatever. < 1399694315 956725 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mess up a bug tracker that badly? < 1399694368 288549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote That is not the point of URLs and if you do not want URL of each file, don't use a webpage at all and just make a telnet or whatever. < 1399694369 660153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1194) That is not the point of URLs and if you do not want URL of each file, don't use a webpage at all and just make a telnet or whatever. < 1399694426 604526 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's an anonymous frontend to a login-required bug tracker < 1399694698 515113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is the point of that? < 1399694720 1834 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the horrible URLs, or of the site? < 1399694728 693588 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good to not need to login to view bugs < 1399694729 447792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of an anonymous frontend to a login-required bug tracker. < 1399694752 622362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the way that that one is done. < 1399694824 220629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the use case is independent from the poor implementation choice < 1399694826 181046 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Seaside < 1399694871 600369 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think continuations have their uses in web development, but... not for this. Maybe during checking something out from an ecommerce site, or a password reset flow (although with the latter, need to be sure some idiot doesn't send the URL to a friend) < 1399694877 583875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, with both) < 1399694904 952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think such thing is just all wrong. < 1399694994 947352 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this is not as terrible even though it's similar in development style < 1399694995 351876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.impredicative.com/ur/demo/counter.html < 1399694999 628082 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URLs are much cleaner somehow < 1399695004 504110 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also easy to tamper with < 1399695008 564789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use webpages if you don't want their kind of state transactions; use them for non-interactive sessions instead. Interactive stuff can be including IRC, telnet, SSH, etc (and even block-oriented terminals, if necessary) < 1399695037 536351 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.impredicative.com/ur/demo/Demo/Counter/main < 1399695072 824034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use an entirely stateless stuff if you need to, as well, which saves a lot of problem, too. < 1399695084 897681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need any cookie either, then. < 1399695091 592250 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sadly, users expect websites < 1399695109 365108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make websites with stateless stuff too though < 1399695154 516511 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resetting a password seems tricky to do without some sort of state, unless you like messing with encryption < 1399695183 152190 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, bad example, I'm only really familiar with one example of a reset password flow < 1399695189 788762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I could see password reset usually used email though? < 1399695217 671326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a reset password flow where first you answer questions or whatever before being allowed to send the email < 1399695222 544583 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothetically < 1399695248 868267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That isn't a problem either; you have HTML forms for that! < 1399695278 865636 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about logging into a website? < 1399695295 436336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is HTTP authentication. < 1399695306 189917 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399695306 455864 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399695333 778978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it isn't as secure as SSH, even if HTTPS is used) < 1399695706 806315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you don't require these kind of things, you need no HTML, HTTP, SSH, SMTP, or whatever else; the gopher protocol is really simple and all stateless; there is no cookie or anything like that. Also, you don't have to make a separate "mobile version", or make other considerations about the user interface and so on; < 1399695738 642595 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ide/theory: avoid having state by avoiding passwords by avoiding having information to secure < 1399695765 120412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works just as well with a keyboard, mouse, touch-screen, various sizes, hardcopy terminal, fax, punched cards, postal mail, or whatever else; without having to change anything. < 1399695780 882519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't gopher be slower with postal mail < 1399695820 445677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes it would certainly be slower with postal mail, but that isn't the point at all. < 1399695851 767504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, in cases where you don't need a password, where you can do without a password and that stuff, it can. < 1399695900 948076 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :addendum: never need a password < 1399695999 713779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you do need a secure system, there are several ways. For example, require login over SSH. Or, you can encrypt the files and download it, and whoever has the password can use a decryption software to access it. < 1399696015 870748 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, didn't i just explain. don't need a secure system < 1399696043 972536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't need a secure system, then that is easy: ignore all of that stuff, and make more simplicity. < 1399696066 511007 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399696271 563398 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fun security fact, my job's secure login works over https, but also has an http address. it asks for credentials and takes them but then presents nothing if you use it < 1399696274 624206 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. secure < 1399696372 261194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really negligent to run a plaintext HTTP server that serves anything other than a redirect with an HSTS header < 1399696375 172655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to HTTPS < 1399696395 536615 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume letting me enter my password over http is also bad < 1399696411 508028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399696430 541837 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, i'm the type of person who'd give up their password for a chocolate bar, so there's no net lowering of security in my using this system < 1399696457 740235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you serve any part of your domain at all over plain HTTP -- even the boringest static terms of service page -- then an active attacker has arbitrary code execution for that whole subdomain and can substantially mess with the entire domain < 1399696473 147789 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd ask them to fix it, but it took like three days with IT to get on in the first place so i'm not gonna bother < 1399696475 955499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of web developers don't know this < 1399696484 216921 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary, huh. < 1399696495 265083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, they can inject arbitrary javascript < 1399696517 920917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has permission to read cookies for that domain, mess with same-origin windows, make same-origin requests etc < 1399696523 143427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also a problem with HTTP and HTML in general. Even if you do use entirely HTTPS! < 1399696529 569001 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can't read every cookie < 1399696534 493679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right Sgeo < 1399696540 442308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use SSH for secure login interactive sessions, and work much better. < 1399696545 935319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HttpOnly cookies are a weak protection though < 1399696556 592617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still make requests that will include that cookie < 1399696569 675509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine Sgeo meant Secure cookies < 1399696570 875344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really matter because if you can inject JS then you can also sniff the cookie off the wire < 1399696578 886881 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, the instructions have how to do it on XP < 1399696597 900280 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because we use a newer file storage system at the College of Veterinary Medicine, older Mac operating systems cannot access Vetmed files. You will need Mac OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard) or software that allows for Mac-Windows interoperability, such as Thursby Software's Dave" < 1399696599 944694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases you can overflow the cookie jar and replace the cookie with a non-Secure cookie on a broader domain < 1399696614 132606 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: as shachaf notes, can't read Secure HttpOnly cookies over the wire... but yeah, arbitrary requests to the real site < 1399696635 555144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, even just not serving anything over http isn't sufficient without something like hsts < 1399696654 85216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1399696722 416157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, as you probably already know, computer security < 1399696726 17938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still serve plain files over HTTP, and forms and stuff which are simple enough, but there are generally better ways in any case already. < 1399696737 665944 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like gopher < 1399696778 170651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer SCOWrity < 1399696782 755029 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gophers < 1399696821 50199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that there are other protocols, and HTTP can be used to fall-back-on, perhaps. < 1399696838 970341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are also better ways of using HTTP than all those terrible ways, too, though.) < 1399696926 724617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble with fallbacks and security is that they have to be as secure as the not fallbackthings < 1399696944 70232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post a warning message. < 1399696952 118387 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun going back and forth from homomorphic encryption or whatever to My Daily Life < 1399696953 387728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disable some features if needed. < 1399697013 504020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a warning message on the webpage that says that it is "deprecated" and insecure, and that you are offered to better alternatives if possible. < 1399697041 600205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only helps if the user sees the web page < 1399697063 504593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true, of course. < 1399697089 743571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote zzo38.*reasonable < 1399697090 412067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :113) Some people are reasonable, some people who are not reasonable insist on changing things so therefore progress depends on not reasonablepeple < 1399697096 524515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But otherwise, if it consists of nothing then the problem corrects itself (giving you another problem, if you didn't already fix that one). < 1399697947 797441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 51 < 1399697948 580938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 51: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1399698120 876776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is! < 1399698192 259677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this latest Dungeons&Dragons game by now? < 1399698214 993203 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll never shine if you don't glow < 1399698240 536703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1399698254 876593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't glow either. < 1399698322 589827 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1399698792 487693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stacked Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39483&oldid=32424 5* 03Killer64 5* (+0) 10USing -> Using < 1399699930 449629 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399699943 712234 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399700171 773213 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399700232 704298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone familiar with category theory please confirm/deny: if F is a functor, the statement "F is injective on objects" is not preserved by natural isomorphism < 1399700334 246795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds right to me < 1399700338 578813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :motherfunctor < 1399700433 100691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you have a category C with two isomorphic objects and two functors F, G : C -> C where F is the identity and G maps both objects to the first one (and arrows to the identity) < 1399700528 145623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be "category theory for dummies" < 1399700570 86993 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "category theory for dummies" < 1399700570 999267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/jcheney/presentations/ct4d1.pdf < 1399700571 146416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Category Theory for Dummies (I) < 1399700673 372969 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1399700764 614219 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399700943 427064 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399701053 830851 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399701088 117160 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399701334 724593 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399701530 703952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be so idiotic and play a DEFENDER card if it would be to your opponent's advantage for you to do so. < 1399701797 422264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to think of use of necessity modal operator in Haskell, for example, to make the type specify only top-level values can be used (one way to do it is a class), and so on, would that be something like that? < 1399701834 293440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the error message "the connection was reset"? < 1399701944 949154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it shown to users in web browsers? Why not "closed" or "disconnected" or "aborted" or something? Are people expected to understand what "reset" means? < 1399701959 399822 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-108-150.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399702183 795105 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Reset is a normal english word < 1399702196 116309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1399702198 137375 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are people expected to understand what "connection" means < 1399702215 19184 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Also a normal english word < 1399702219 519702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this use of it have to do with the normal English use? < 1399702325 904173 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Reset or connection? < 1399702341 472211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset < 1399702406 279655 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does fit, though I suppose you are correct in that closed would be better < 1399702416 903550 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn reset < 1399702418 261983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "reset" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1399702418 409548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset < 1399702418 409625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: device for resetting instruments or controls < 1399702418 409671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: set anew; "They re-set the date on the clock" < 1399702418 409707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: set to zero; "reset instruments and dials" < 1399702420 278920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3: adjust again after an initial failure [syn: {readjust}, < 1399702422 252595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : {reset}] < 1399702435 90731 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection was set anew < 1399702438 396616 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection was set to zero < 1399702445 252876 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connection was adjusted again after an initial failure < 1399702545 740714 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn referer < 1399702546 853323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "referer". < 1399702547 111304 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: You're right, it doesn't make sense < 1399702642 901081 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect most people do not actually read any text once they see the chrome://global/skin/icons/warning-large.png < 1399702678 331609 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why a warning symbol is used for errors is another story) < 1399702831 190754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The webpage at chrome://global/skin/icons/warning-large.png might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address." < 1399702838 768511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :got me where i wanted anyway < 1399702844 441057 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Browser? < 1399702854 451549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :chromium < 1399702863 998274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v34 < 1399702885 434409 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1399702954 465726 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399703339 61048 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: Why not password? < 1399703349 575810 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :******** < 1399703408 251819 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because someone registered password < 1399703447 571100 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it actively used? < 1399703466 782287 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as i know < 1399703622 86743 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there not a time period after which it becomes free? < 1399703639 778625 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1399703644 720135 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399703794 682666 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aparently password was used once this year < 1399703818 817021 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :registered and used 15 weeks ago < 1399703872 902129 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess its password < 1399703881 938059 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399707406 964517 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399707453 977466 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399707674 135323 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.16.43 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399707710 207772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.51.179 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399707828 903941 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399707858 213372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1399708004 144009 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399708081 300493 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399708126 28349 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399708166 414505 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399708548 618452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big beats are the best, get high all the time < 1399709659 684014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1399709884 700773 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91A50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399709884 898125 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91A50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399709885 45377 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399710621 757267 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D2-R1.pdf < 1399710621 904791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399711725 122717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399711834 773368 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399712040 411286 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399712220 498136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i finished norge. i brought a bottle of the linie aquavit but did not yet try it < 1399712261 161539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1399712299 393927 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399712523 550991 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Florida psychic Sheree Silver disassociated herself from the practice, telling the Sun-Sentinel, "I can't imagine anyone wasting their time and money on someone like this when there are so many legitimate psychics out there." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpology < 1399712844 324578 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irony? < 1399712898 348028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399712971 338302 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be interested in the future anyway unless I could change it < 1399713109 595247 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://neocities.org/blog/the-fcc-is-now-rate-limited < 1399713623 771587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the FCC doing a lot of surfing on neocities? < 1399713698 946835 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn’t really relevant. < 1399713787 336851 :password2!~password@197.78.148.77 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399713864 989360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the twist is that you _can_ change the future, but only if you don't know it hth < 1399713869 440802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does a democratic nation have a bureau responsible for censoring stuff? < 1399713888 472081 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ic. < 1399713921 575078 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so once a physic tells me my future it is carved in stone < 1399713928 989634 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that give them supernatural power? < 1399713980 657387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well most psychics don't actually know the future just potentialities hth < 1399714015 340610 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I optimize the implementation of my algorithm for my bachelor thesis :( < 1399714019 797338 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was sort of a stupid move to do < 1399714037 994773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you mean now you have nothing to do for your masters? < 1399714042 938633 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1399714062 97955 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all my tons of measurements I did are obsolete. < 1399714085 134469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking (huh.) < 1399714091 610985 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399714104 596341 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the last week of the bachelor thesis more or less < 1399714111 357152 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already documented and discussed my findings < 1399714119 183581 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly now everything is obsolete < 1399714226 638002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1399714291 418942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean someone beat you to it < 1399714307 612658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't quite understand < 1399714327 470013 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well < 1399714337 907159 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta write a bachelor thesis repot of around 50 pages < 1399714348 969114 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :documenting your stuff, measurements and conclusions from the measurements < 1399714360 954662 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, since I've optimized stuff like hell < 1399714380 250918 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those conclusions are somewhat useless now < 1399714396 137638 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I've got something better now that scales differently < 1399714406 479898 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now, < 1399714416 433530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so you beat _yourself_. tricky. < 1399714458 846741 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I'm pretty sure someone in the world already beats me anyway) < 1399714464 878610 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not doing a masters btw < 1399714465 196363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you clearly should have left that for the masters. < 1399714471 780758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1399714484 357249 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd want a master from a university < 1399714491 815643 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if any < 1399714495 780263 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the master I could do here < 1399714503 171133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a university? ok. < 1399714538 477197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a hunch it'll be called Hochschule < 1399714538 758993 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. It's not. < 1399714547 151279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is < 1399714606 336120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway also has this sort of folkehøyskole system parallel and somewhat lower in status to the universities < 1399714673 690875 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399714680 486869 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they run under the slogan "different but equal" here < 1399714689 397562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399714691 443364 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... according to the "real" universities we're not equal ;) < 1399714700 475647 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and according to Hochschule we're equal but different < 1399714708 286353 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick your side ;) < 1399714727 233778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE BREAKING LEIBNITZ RULE YOU INFIDELS < 1399714739 891107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LEIBNI... er let me look it up < 1399714750 32291 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leibnitz made a rule? < 1399714811 204513 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399714841 606195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LEIBNIZ LAW < 1399714853 587454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LEIBNIZ'S LAW < 1399714872 781392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also made several rules. someone should clean up the wikipedia redirections. < 1399715082 640247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the law that equal stuff has all properties in common. < 1399715107 621114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can also formulate as the formal logical scheme a = b => (P a <=> P b) < 1399715291 323328 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always confused with lemma, theorem and laws < 1399715313 686946 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you say "law" when it's really a "definition/axiom"? < 1399715399 788006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the philosophical mess "Leibniz's law" redirects to on wikipedia, i think the point is that leibniz wasn't really thinking about formal logic. < 1399715409 776606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not looking too closely, mind you) < 1399715437 349652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the formal scheme gets to be called the same thing by analogy. < 1399715463 21392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and could in principle be used as the definition of equality. < 1399715536 129924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some theorem proving systems might, but i vaguely recall some don't for technical reasons (impredicative types possibly) < 1399715537 597532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be the best definition of equality I know. < 1399715548 819018 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably the only one :) < 1399715616 792588 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know any definitions for a < b that'd hold < 1399715635 458673 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < (n+1) isn't really a good definition at all < 1399715658 75226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well = is a general logical principle but < refers to a particular order on a set < 1399715689 517378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reals you can use a <= b iff b-a is a square. < 1399715745 614087 :password2!~password@197.78.133.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399715750 28699 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because squares can't be negative < 1399715751 983931 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. < 1399715794 308563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for naturals you can use a <= b iff b-a exists at all < 1399715848 234988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you say, "but it exists as a negative number", then i will note that the real version also breaks if you include complex numbers) < 1399715879 182816 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no negative natural numbers < 1399715883 551570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1399715896 882404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right < 1399715904 759452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I say it exists as a negative number :D < 1399715934 574470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be quarrelsome and stupid like people usually are in these discussions on the internet hth < 1399715953 7850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING) < 1399716012 135708 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1399716018 853494 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had some discrete mathematics. Not much, but enough to know that in certain thingies certain other thingies just don't exist :) < 1399716027 746317 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Groups < 1399716029 123771 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1399716040 875554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know the german words for these things < 1399716080 358983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gruppenringkörper < 1399716085 730761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1399716173 223432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for natural numbers, < as the transitive closure of n < (n+1) isn't that bad. < 1399716238 5888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that logicians / complexity theorists have investigated how much extra power you get from allowing transitive closure on an otherwise very weak logic < 1399716286 173992 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1399716291 759215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i say / complexity theorists because it turns out that the smallest complexity classes have a strong correspondence with logic) < 1399716314 915031 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399716395 873046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning Taneb < 1399716674 259533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, could we add a justification of the decisions made for second normal form to ESOSC 2014 D2? < 1399716995 448078 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1399717017 265158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm doing crowd simulation as my bachelor thesis < 1399717036 772709 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "distribute it to multiple machines" to be more specific. < 1399717039 261751 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well < 1399717051 50297 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simulates 200k people in 11x realtime < 1399717060 119697 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure somebody out there can do it in 0.1x realtime < 1399717145 502422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(11x on a single machine) < 1399717289 20758 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's because they are "nops"? < 1399717295 283861 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ][ is abused for comments < 1399717309 139309 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what kind of justification did you have in mind? < 1399717312 251156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That < 1399717354 640653 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although [...][foo] isn't first normal form < 1399717365 502492 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only could have comments using brainfuck commands that way ;) < 1399717451 165999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :making comments in a language where no character can be included if it can be proved never to be executed sounds awkward. < 1399717489 772115 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: +- isn't a nop if cells don't wrap-around < 1399717506 717868 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e 255+ => 255- => 254 < 1399717517 207340 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And <> isn't a nop if cells are bounded on the left < 1399717522 94452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1399717581 302669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so snf kinda assumes wrap-around < 1399717949 670071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is second normal form necessary? It's more like a linter than anything else < 1399717972 232957 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any benifit of having it < 1399717976 624218 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone suggested it < 1399718107 83546 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*benefit < 1399718165 180846 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1399718634 151578 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and judging by your question I assume it was nortti < 1399718773 761619 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could remove it < 1399718777 748466 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399718782 955761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it wouldn't make sence to have a "first" normal form < 1399718803 456252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless we're going to add one 5 years later or so < 1399718810 384026 :password2!~password@197.78.133.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399718844 911060 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1399718854 372853 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :][ shouldn't assume wrap-around of any kind < 1399718915 249363 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399718978 701410 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399718978 926102 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399719531 667692 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D2-R2.pdf <- well. I removed it for now < 1399719535 875173 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggestions still welcome :) < 1399720053 312093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399720090 215467 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, "Brainfuck" in both times in paragraph two should have a small b < 1399720119 741753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, whenever it's not at the start of a sentence or a heading (or possibly in "Normalized Brainfuck"?) < 1399720140 890784 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought names are writting with a starting capital letter < 1399720143 91896 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And instead of "interpreters (or compilers)", why not "implementations" < 1399720149 276275 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is weird < 1399720162 159014 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at its readme, for example < 1399720172 568297 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399720175 219902 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :small letter < 1399720268 467275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*written < 1399720299 734780 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ease interpretation of brainfuck programs < 1399720305 882391 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta change too < 1399720314 43708 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1399720320 61940 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since compilers usually don't interpret them :) < 1399720344 500166 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1399720369 519493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ease reading/handling/parsing? < 1399720385 244394 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation? < 1399720413 204679 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ease implementation of brainfuck programs? < 1399720427 155943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no < 1399720436 251351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing would be best < 1399720439 736507 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ease writing brainfuck implementations? < 1399720444 774004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or thatr < 1399720445 711178 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or developing < 1399720451 555714 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to go now < 1399720455 885130 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1399720460 410957 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1399720747 501530 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think interpretation works < 1399720763 843975 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe "comprehension" < 1399720986 239999 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the one who suggested snf was b_jonas < 1399721196 416118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399721278 736467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 200k people? wow < 1399721286 472194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot! < 1399721471 745084 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399722148 793970 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399722167 345309 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399722232 240575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you serve any part of your domain at all over plain HTTP -- even the boringest static terms of service page -- then an active attacker has arbitrary code execution for that whole subdomain and can substantially mess with the entire domain < 1399722340 314192 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbsmmzcywijfpfmw JOIN :#esoteric < 1399722375 554368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically you don't need to serve anything as http do you? the attacker just needs to fool someone into _trying_ to load http from your domain? < 1399722417 973387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which admittedly is probably somewhat easier if you have actual http pages. < 1399722559 515908 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1399722652 98557 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 197133 to be precise < 1399723186 216738 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can run 25k in about 1.1x realtime < 1399723347 717165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell password2 (1) 15 weeks is the max upper limit for nick expiration (2) that particular nick actually goes under the special "not used more than 2 hours after registration" rule so expired after only 2 weeks. iow you can ask for it to be released. < 1399723347 864571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399723496 863516 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean that its use time is not 2h, or that is was only used before 2h had passed from registration? < 1399723511 295467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter < 1399723545 883494 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be used more than two hours before two hours after registration < 1399723576 383892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Jafet -----### < 1399723605 659797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaving -> < 1399723639 164218 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :re https: if you live in a universe with compromised RAs -- even by the most bored iranian teenager -- it doesn't matter anyway < 1399723742 272136 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some big websites even deliberately cycle multiple certificates, it's like they're asking for it < 1399725043 456170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly I run out of memory with 1 Mio. people < 1399726125 349348 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399726954 977902 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS3 can do shadows, right? < 1399726984 703932 :Dameon21!~Dameon21@202.89.60.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399727125 625610 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.... < 1399727137 26895 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those browsers need some more of them anti-aliasing to make it look not terrible < 1399727427 764954 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399727594 722276 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399727729 197117 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399727924 718009 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399728158 353115 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399728172 267605 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399728329 274820 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399728610 764452 :Dameon21!~Dameon21@202.89.60.11 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399728774 975039 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaah my sideburns are asymettric < 1399728833 913300 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ < 1399728850 543009 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :border-radius is kinda nice < 1399728856 372360 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1399728874 964665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you hyperlink "#esoteric" to webchat? < 1399728900 127170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :webchat.freenode.net? < 1399728930 699779 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that take an argument for channel? < 1399728935 220269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=esoteric < 1399728989 709696 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1399728990 762279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*add* < 1399729010 887086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#esoteric < 1399729032 310902 :test!5c695245@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.105.82.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399729036 333057 :test!5c695245@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.105.82.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1399729038 67520 :test!5c695245@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.105.82.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1399729048 170189 :test!5c695245@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.105.82.69 QUIT :Client Quit < 1399729119 338684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we pass < 1399729296 270179 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pass what? < 1399729401 834552 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test? < 1399729414 320966 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1399729457 85774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1399729553 396622 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399729560 670458 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ISO indeed makes money by selling pdfs < 1399729583 405719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: enjoy your lopsideburns < 1399729607 626990 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399729655 206965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :burning lobsters < 1399729930 193981 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399730038 865339 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burning lobsters? < 1399731000 143290 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: how many committees and subcommittees does ESOSC have? < 1399731078 182887 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :none at the moment < 1399731162 223650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to be in one? < 1399731211 760049 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOSC? What's that? < 1399731232 449169 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esosc < 1399731233 111375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esosc is esoteric song contest (also Esoteric Standard Committee) < 1399731235 404713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ < 1399731497 484542 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399731509 497178 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the EsoAPI needs a revival < 1399731563 288512 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a version that isn't dependant on cell-based langs? < 1399731598 317821 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399731673 367612 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A standardised, improved esoAPI would be neat < 1399731677 445079 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399731727 551483 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a file-based disk-io instead of sector-based would be neat < 1399732180 501276 :nooodl_!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399732214 715499 :nooodl_!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1399732677 164237 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399732799 219507 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399732954 228801 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399733128 256759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399733600 710427 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399733658 192170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the EsoAPI hook stdout/stdin? < 1399733718 797433 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it < 1399733730 325789 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1399733753 612392 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :upcoming ESOSC-2014-D3 is EsoAPI Revised :) < 1399733925 323825 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't D3 brainfuck conventions? < 1399733948 392652 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399733954 626526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :D4 < 1399733963 637589 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESOSC-2014-D4: Esoteric System Interface (ESIX) < 1399733966 44503 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1399733973 96458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: PSOX < 1399733989 44891 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX? < 1399733992 419680 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pee-Socs? < 1399733997 295427 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Socks < 1399734005 518150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portable ...? < 1399734038 230804 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399734055 80494 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX from Sgeo < 1399734147 486113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A guy from the IEEE Signal Processing Society Audio and Acoustic Signal Processing Technical Committee Challenges Subcommittee just said a few words. < 1399734192 460462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm at a workshop.) < 1399734336 731707 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm saying, ESOSC needs more {,sub}committees < 1399734362 835820 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did he present himself using that title? < 1399734378 522874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?:sub)*committee. < 1399734386 805363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost. < 1399734406 807665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He wanted ideas.) < 1399734418 34716 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have an idea for a subcommittee and if you want to work in it just say so ;) < 1399734431 848724 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm btw. not really fond of APIs through stdin/stdout < 1399734451 306885 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for that they are portable across languages and don't require any change in them < 1399734459 76364 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks kinda inconvenient < 1399734488 822339 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but PSOX looks kinda feature-rich < 1399734560 416886 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1399734576 835567 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be Esoteric Standard*s* Committee? < 1399734606 458730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It's a good idea to start out small. < 1399734627 801098 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could call it the standard standards committee < 1399734680 904719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also weird: conference proceedings on an USB stick that pretends to be both a USB mass storage device and an external CD ROM drive. < 1399734705 945914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1399734708 109651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the latter was read-only. < 1399734724 50928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine but not very original < 1399734732 989693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :iow, boring. < 1399734734 8553 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any reason for the latter.. < 1399734794 442594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: recall the floppy disks that had a notch that could be covered to make them read-only? < 1399734798 711295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "CD" had all the data and the stick was empty. < 1399734826 820120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the latter" as in pretending to be an external CD-ROM drive < 1399734846 382489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that would be a sensible use for such a setup to me, hardware level write protection. < 1399734852 312706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it autoruns better. < 1399734863 413978 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1399734866 15597 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: QUIT :Excess Flood < 1399734881 619302 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1399734887 412866 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1399734889 886673 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: QUIT :Excess Flood < 1399734904 735594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I've seen that, putting drivers on a USB "CD" drive. < 1399734915 621565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is that idea doing at a conference?! < 1399735039 797640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a USB 3G/GPRS stick that has a built-in "driver CD", of course with hopelessly outdated drivers. < 1399735070 349965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huawei? < 1399735084 382701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1399735716 672319 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399735744 818936 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1399735758 448380 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399735904 159411 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399736540 375549 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399736717 444133 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399736726 973220 :password2!~password@197.78.133.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399737348 372136 :conehead!~conehead@cpe-67-10-116-50.gt.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399737791 703919 :password2!~password@197.78.133.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399737814 629791 :conehead!~conehead@cpe-67-10-116-50.gt.res.rr.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399737877 177019 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399737936 414360 :conehead_!~conehead@cpe-67-10-116-50.gt.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399738061 396613 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399738148 270776 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399738157 899536 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :inshikhin < 1399738230 713912 :inshikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399738515 444516 :conehead_!~conehead@cpe-67-10-116-50.gt.res.rr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1399738515 663667 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399738857 107724 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead NICK :conehead < 1399738976 312530 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399739048 404984 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399739126 682719 :password2!~password@197.78.133.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399739286 529242 :quelqun_dautre!unautre@server5.tonbnc.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399739769 595278 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399739957 448800 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399740006 772010 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399740576 259788 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399740738 254379 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399740788 5857 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399740801 696962 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399740818 694279 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399740921 252808 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399741079 596920 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399741180 686717 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399741197 493312 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399742028 391859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rasen14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39484&oldid=39478 5* 03Wolgr 5* (-42) 10 < 1399742590 464266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rasen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39485&oldid=39484 5* 03Wolgr 5* (-61) 10 < 1399742742 754842 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399743110 271736 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399744104 705337 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399744305 410882 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399744458 251661 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399744607 465004 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399744741 191513 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399744758 258485 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399744882 372359 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399744925 446867 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399745065 376836 :MoALTz__!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399745213 398986 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399745360 337195 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399745375 218863 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to balance simplicity, compilability and mightibility < 1399745386 576216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wordmakeupability < 1399745395 116989 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend bonghits < 1399745414 616445 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to boostrap a self-hosting compiler < 1399745426 756382 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a language I'll invent) < 1399745448 794552 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simpler the language, the easier to compile < 1399745453 676349 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1399745455 377901 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simpler the language, the harder to make a compiler < 1399745458 486006 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last try even had a typesystem < 1399745465 379991 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1399745473 403075 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpler language, simpler compiler *my opinion* < 1399745480 750332 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck's easy to compile < 1399745484 98686 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... < 1399745486 971655 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing a brainfuck compiler in brainfuck < 1399745489 415111 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gonna be harder < 1399745490 415534 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simpler the language, the harder to write a compiler in < 1399745496 966666 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant < 1399745500 172756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a brainfuck to brainfuck compiler in brainfuck < 1399745506 624660 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a < 1399745510 589106 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler compiler < 1399745513 556111 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that produces brainfuck code < 1399745538 782787 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a blc interpreter in blc is straightforward though < 1399745552 432697 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because blc is much more expressive than brainfuck < 1399745568 165249 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, binary lambda calculus? < 1399745571 393134 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399745583 63524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best lambda calculus < 1399745589 744642 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonghit lambda calculus < 1399745617 929514 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it can't be too hard given that it takes under 26 bytes < 1399745642 763334 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_, i've seen your web page about it, looks very interesting. except i barely understand anything :/ < 1399745665 35220 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd first need to learn and understand well lambda calculus < 1399745678 21148 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia article should make a good introduction < 1399745687 472802 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can dive into my paper < 1399745729 745091 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i skimmed through it, what I like the most about it is the images. i find it fascinating to represent programs as graphs < 1399745752 570292 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they're quite artistic < 1399745800 383969 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399745800 904433 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to mock a mockinggraph < 1399745820 259630 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399745828 879079 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a big print of the predecessor function adorning my office wall < 1399745849 391263 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily mistaken for modern art < 1399745862 749393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1399745871 928158 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/cl/diagrams.html < 1399745921 683459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice < 1399745957 668300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_, I want < 1399745985 33330 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399746020 359863 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399746087 269933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these always unambiguous? < 1399746094 921680 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399746109 232080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kewl < 1399746121 684858 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell programs on my blc page create these images < 1399746127 16016 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in various formats < 1399746142 670672 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. png, ascii, ascii graphics... < 1399746158 855517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an interpreter which takes an image as input < 1399746165 942174 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope:( < 1399746193 590728 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the image is quadratic in the size of the term < 1399746209 690350 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember something about blc used in studying program complexity. is blc the most compact representation of an algorith? < 1399746234 822158 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impossible to formalize, scoofy < 1399746267 606301 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly hits a sweet spot in simlicity and expressiveness < 1399746276 86723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION --> Eurovision party < 1399746286 112623 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your blc interpreter is the smallest turing-compatible self-impreter, iirc < 1399746293 65782 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i haven't seen any competitive alternative < 1399746295 277959 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399746321 915965 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the smallest "honest" one < 1399746336 240671 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again that's hard to formalize < 1399746354 542135 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder about its performance. is the blc interpreter fast enough to make it sensible to run complex programs in it? < 1399746359 596626 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many languages have primitives that vastly simply self interpretation < 1399746363 757512 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplify < 1399746432 128570 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter introduces little overhead < 1399746449 726260 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1399746456 56902 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could be very fast depending on the underlying reduction engine < 1399746475 3509 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, in theory, it could be used for program compression? < 1399746496 947977 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating very small programs is an interesting field < 1399746499 383280 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what programs do you have in mind? < 1399746517 953984 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard because blc has no data primitives < 1399746527 439270 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no numbers, no nothing < 1399746536 790944 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just function application < 1399746571 503041 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also (optimal) compression is uncomputale < 1399746617 828110 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... how would one start writing a blc program? < 1399746623 77610 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating small blc programs (like the 1267 bit prime sieve) is a huge challenge < 1399746640 49192 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean 167 bit < 1399746641 264828 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can represent data same way as you do in good ol lambda calculus. < 1399746708 208463 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ioccc.org/2012/tromp/hint.html for some interesting sample programs < 1399746720 808435 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, writing blc looks like writing unlambda < 1399746738 622235 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 8-bit self-interpreter represents bytes as length-8 lists of booleans < 1399746760 18800 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also used in the brainfuck interpreter < 1399746827 868310 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed blc is pure lambda calculus < 1399746836 961176 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some binary IO conventions < 1399746965 18154 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/XdQlMQwP <- so far I've come up with something like this now < 1399747004 998366 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the list stored as (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) or (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 . 8) ? < 1399747050 402876 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it uses \xyf.fxy to construct the list) < 1399747086 433684 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as b7:b6:b5:b4:b3:b2:b1:b0:nil < 1399747087 891181 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399747118 915308 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where : is infix \xyf.fxy < 1399747165 761347 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the b's < 1399747189 702148 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is nil False or the other possible nil? < 1399747194 569012 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bi is the i'th bit < 1399747213 353141 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, bil = false = \xy.y < 1399747225 633258 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean nil < 1399747238 348629 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and b7 is the MSB? < 1399747243 753440 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b7 is the most significant bit yes < 1399747258 258681 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399747313 35904 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399747400 106659 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399747416 321322 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ran the primes.blc program and it locked up my computer. had to hardreset < 1399747454 956192 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it warns about that. only take the first 300 or so bits of output < 1399747468 928657 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't read that warning :/ < 1399747481 106465 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it printed about 10 lines of results fine < 1399747510 916207 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the c-program can do over a thousand bits < 1399747522 9939 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens after that? < 1399747524 250461 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399747533 453928 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it bring a linux to knees? < 1399747534 646387 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts eating up your swap space:) < 1399747539 652436 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1399747546 350798 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by allocating memory at insane rate < 1399747549 534382 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it eats up all memory, i guess... < 1399747556 473048 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem terribly efficient < 1399747574 991478 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary arithmetic is usually not < 1399747585 785164 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the price to pay for the shortest prime sieve program < 1399747595 551981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a idea about another kind of modal logic operator, which is a "loop modality", which is always a theorem regardless what it is applied to. < 1399747598 238201 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt use any arithmetic < 1399747608 625663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone does something similar? < 1399747692 81425 :password2!~password@197.78.133.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399747955 762977 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilbert.Blc works fine < 1399748262 352726 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :going for a stroll; cul8r < 1399748278 236537 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399748300 891800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't BLC be more compact if the de bruijn indices weren't unary? < 1399748317 517574 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but also harder to encode < 1399748374 896879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1399748381 256922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :harder to write a universal machine? < 1399748424 77136 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399748764 312577 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not using unary has overhead, too < 1399748843 257707 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399748918 526791 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about using unary, but with a bias, so the numbering starts below zero < 1399748938 233078 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes it easier to refer to variables at some fixed distance to the current scope < 1399748942 385253 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one even do that? < 1399749037 506777 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how do you represent a negative num in unary without sign symbol, in which case it is better to just use binary < 1399749287 623732 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary indices are close to optimal < 1399749289 722767 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399749302 871249 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because larger indices occur much less frequently < 1399749317 741164 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399749321 693563 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, you don't even need any index > 2 < 1399749372 692162 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some TC combinator system that only uses 2-arg combinators? < 1399749385 534732 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh < 1399749422 601652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what? < 1399749431 781811 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some guy schoenfinkel made one < 1399749461 743417 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think you need some 3 arg comb to construct S < 1399749483 971051 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ap < 1399749484 865279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b < 1399749531 543638 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, bckw isn't one either < 1399749546 895306 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: won't you need index 3, then? < 1399749579 383302 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need indices 0,1,2 or 1,2,3 :) < 1399749601 900305 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sometimes start from 0, sometimes from 1 < 1399749639 735602 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that page i start with 1, so yes i need 3 then < 1399749679 464788 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see. I start from 1 since the first index in BLC is 10 < 1399749704 257449 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399749785 198807 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399750041 559597 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399750218 258406 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399750309 256720 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i think i'm starting to understand it. so the 3 elements are: 'lambda', 'apply', and an index < 1399750455 979571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :00=apply, 01=lambda, 1(1*)0=index *. < 1399750467 445886 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. < 1399750479 289738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 00=lambda, 01=apply. < 1399750530 382540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about the \io trick, so the first thing in the primes program is actually a lambda. < 1399750540 315041 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so 1110 is index 2? < 1399750543 567924 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the prime program on http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/cl/cl.html is color coded that way < 1399750550 997603 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you can do zero, ok < 1399750558 152716 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing that anything can be expressed in terms of that 3 things. < 1399750562 908224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, I count from zero. < 1399750566 261160 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda in red, apply in green, vars in blue < 1399750575 414387 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :color coding is fun :) < 1399750592 247437 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the graphic notation is cute < 1399750595 998461 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good that you mention that, because I didn't notice < 1399750603 417695 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternativell 3-symbol system would be binary combinatory logic, although that is bit of pita to program in < 1399750619 810612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39486 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+6678) 10Created page with "'''Forobj''' is an object oriented programming language. It is designed to be easily extendable. == Overview == Forobj is a stack-based language. A program is a list of comm..." < 1399750620 872080 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ll < 1399750677 753910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39487&oldid=39456 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+13) 10/* F */ < 1399750688 735835 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a project name generator on the fungot < 1399750689 83211 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: not at all related to network fd readiness is dependent on fnord i got from the lists. < 1399750747 723530 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :network fd readiness < 1399750753 263577 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, real fast nora's hair saloon 3: sheer disaster download to bcl can be done with APPLY->01, LAMBDA->00, ONE MORE THAN->1, ZERO->10 < 1399750764 335257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: he fd to means regular files on network filesystems < 1399750859 829818 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right, fungot < 1399750861 392428 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and it fnord. :) :) 3 :) at least for emacs users. < 1399750893 198780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's your favourite language? < 1399750896 535033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ fnord), and have vector-like-shuffler return a procedure from a symbol. < 1399750907 874912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. classic. < 1399750972 746266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39488&oldid=39486 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+240) 10 < 1399751089 479810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39489&oldid=39488 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-1) 10 < 1399751100 879653 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nuke OPENSSL_NO_SOCK since any half sane operating system has sockets." < 1399751114 695706 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would OpenSSL even be used on a no socket system? < 1399751119 42810 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess key generation? < 1399751125 272936 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other utilities? < 1399751168 564915 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399751209 776715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39490&oldid=39489 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+98) 10 < 1399751247 229259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some nut out there who thinks that to get a real secure system you can't just disconnect it, you also have to patch the kernel and libc to remove the socket syscalls < 1399751276 527958 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or someone who uses STREAMS < 1399751339 694469 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For every nut there are ten sysadmins who have to do the same thing because some bureaucrat said so < 1399751412 237572 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there actually any two-variable universal combinators? < 1399751442 361559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the crypto algorithm implementations maybe < 1399751528 850449 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there should be plenty of systems where there are sockets, but they just don't look anything like bsd sockets < 1399751622 375468 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-151-90.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399751634 344212 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://insanecoding.blogspot.ro/2014/04/common-libressl-porting-mistakes.html < 1399751689 924529 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399751715 717111 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399751735 896117 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you'd expect bsd programmers to assume bsd sockets. < 1399751756 362928 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399752440 190284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: which? < 1399752514 728960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_Runtime_Environment_for_Wireless is one that I know of < 1399752574 595374 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingw < 1399752600 392996 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though openssl probably has a winsock backend) < 1399752636 97051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :winsock's socket api is very close to bsd sockets though < 1399752759 223319 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1399753064 311555 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399753146 428372 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399753228 150004 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1399753232 953695 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*new idea* < 1399753963 937768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to read http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2014/02/http-308-incompetence-expected.html < 1399754207 194063 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought HTTP2 was supposed to be about the delivery, not header and status semantics < 1399754251 95863 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :electric boogaloo < 1399754299 77458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought it was supposed to, but things wouldn't be very web if they made sense < 1399754641 208668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to fix it, I think, would be to make the server check if HTTP2 is specified, and whether or not it is, post a "deprecated" notice mentioning all of these problems, and that you either need to fix your client or connect using an alternate protocol. < 1399754660 295115 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like gophers < 1399754666 391286 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hmm, looks like that post is not correct < 1399754695 76305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 301 was *specified* some different way earlier, but never actually used in that manner < 1399754698 177727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way they describe is certainly too much more stupid, so one thing you can do is, check for HTTP2 and then complain < 1399754745 872755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: olsner (and a comment on that page) is saying that the older spec didn't describe reality, and the HTTP2 change is meant to describe the current reality of what browsers actually do < 1399754749 465588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, don't use those codes if they cause problems. < 1399754799 432431 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399754799 621680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Perhaps, but they are probably both wrong. Especially if an unusual browser program is in use, or some other program such as wget is in use. < 1399754840 782560 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399754875 870146 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything web is wrong < 1399754880 31636 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, reuse of already-existing code is a bad thing < 1399754885 835963 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+return < 1399754944 707748 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think the upcoming HTTP/1.1-bis RFCs are the best description of current reality, the original HTTP/1.1 (RFC 2616) has some differences < 1399754947 557610 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399754974 709819 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399754986 801974 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and those RFCs might be what he calls HTTP/2 < 1399754992 267500 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're naming standards with chem terms now? < 1399754998 990812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Google's servers do not even correctly implement the existing HTTP. Headerless requests will still respond with a header, and HEAD requests will sometimes return a 404 error even though a GET to the same file works. < 1399755098 645364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :httpbis is a working group, HTTP/1.1-bis is something I made up because I don't know what they're really called < 1399755125 151308 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's still bis then. < 1399755246 108770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399755289 216069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still love that the IETF mailing list about random number generation is named dsfjdssdfsd < 1399755444 279006 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes on proggit and tries to correct some misconceptions about US copyright law < 1399755454 694190 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people think that creating anything similar to someone else's API is now illegal < 1399755473 526885 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the court decision was that you need a fair use reason to be able to copy function declarations literally < 1399755496 204855 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a huge amount of grey area in between, such as if you reimplement someone else's API but write the function declarations yourself < 1399755551 728866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523_ goes on proggit <-- noo you have so much to live for < 1399755689 619368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would the difference be between copying function declarations literally and reimplementing an API but writing the function declarations yourself? < 1399755734 850876 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choice of parameter name is the only thing I can imagine, but that seems a bit.. thin < 1399755764 44687 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legality, of course. < 1399755836 796524 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the first involves copying them, the latter doesn't, and copyright is about copying < 1399755837 839008 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1399755860 547884 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the court actually said that copyright law was hard to apply to software, they described it like trying to solve a jigsaw where the pieces don't fit together properly < 1399755877 834576 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay, so it's purely about the act of copying < 1399755878 693510 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latter case, you didn't copy the API, even if you happen to independently choose the same variable names < 1399755885 798674 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, didn't copy the declarations < 1399755894 461845 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did copy the API, if you did it based on API docs, but that's more abstract < 1399755902 351662 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go even further, and, say, reverse-engineer the machine code < 1399755909 546973 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's even less copying involved < 1399755916 66712 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In switzerland reverse-enginerring is allowed < 1399755919 285932 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the court explicitly said they weren't making a ruling about reverse-engineering) < 1399755925 297614 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I implement someone else's API and by chance happen to choose the same parameter names (i.e. the source code of the two declarations is identical, modulo whitespace) I should still be safe, I guess < 1399755927 353909 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do it for interopability reasons < 1399755930 551204 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: in the US it's historically been found to be fair use < 1399755936 581781 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1399755948 711128 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they can argue that you remembered the names from seeing their API docs, or something < 1399755955 367776 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e you would be allowed to reverse engineer a proprietary format so your software can export to it < 1399755970 430142 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the precedents come from DRM on games consoles < 1399755973 550716 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that wouldn't hold for overly general and "obvious" names < 1399755974 313805 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are also allowed to "copy" someone else's software by writing the same software yourself < 1399755988 566188 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: actually, the judgement wasn't that it holds for any particular name, but for a large collection < 1399755997 872009 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which requires that you write it yourself, stealing their code is illegal of course) < 1399755998 507715 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that makes sense < 1399756008 373950 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's OK to have a Math.max, so long as much of the rest of your API is different < 1399756014 877463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there's a lot of gray and black area there < 1399756019 702959 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399756022 562904 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are design patents and stuff and shit < 1399756023 226587 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking forward to the oddly-named parameter names that are copyright traps < 1399756023 776100 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1399756048 830843 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: haha, that would actually work, I think < 1399756059 637900 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically databases aren't protected by copyright laws < 1399756095 931304 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is really special < 1399756102 602625 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on the jurisdiction. < 1399756116 595914 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And what kind of database) < 1399756131 170847 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pure collection of data isn't worthy of copyright apparentely < 1399756181 847847 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the ruling that if you digitize a public domain work precisely enough (i.e. no creativity involved), the resulting digitization is also public domain < 1399756194 200956 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a semester "IT laws" < 1399756198 945195 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas things like performing a public domain piece of music produce a copyrightable recording, because there's creativity in the way you perform it) < 1399756208 448977 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what I've learned is: Nobody really knows what exactly is legal or illegal < 1399756215 858058 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yeah, that seems about right < 1399756216 103051 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you won't be sure unless a judge rules over it < 1399756221 344063 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when a judge has ruled about it < 1399756225 172350 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1399756231 334718 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like schrodingers cats < 1399756243 753631 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know if what you're doing is illegal until a judge looks at it ;) < 1399756246 979613 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the only precedent we have about open source licenses in the US is that if there's an attribution requirement in the license, you can't reuse the work without attribution < 1399756254 820114 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. open the box) < 1399756258 787873 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a case where someone violated the Artistic License on model train controllers < 1399756279 984735 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they had given attribution, who knows? they were violating the license in other ways, but courts only care about determining that the license was broken < 1399756282 498836 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not solving hypotheticals < 1399756307 504799 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, you don't really know until you bring it up with the appellate court or the relevant legislative body. < 1399756309 888662 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399756334 17568 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothetical scenarios are intentionally left open for law books (that cost 100$ and more) and for law students < 1399756392 881995 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, "you never know" holds for all kinds of other laws too < 1399756411 304419 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no official department where you can call for free and ask about what you intend to do is illegal or legal < 1399756421 624126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the guy from that department says it's legal it REALLY is LEGAL. < 1399756452 510010 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lawyers aren't really allowed to say "it's legal" too ;) < 1399756486 261906 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, they are, just daren't < 1399756491 373066 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't really know any better than anyone else does < 1399756498 753520 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1399756508 440364 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a decent random factor in court decisions < 1399756528 267813 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how it depends on the lawyers that the sides have, who decides to submit an amicus brief, which judge is assigned, etc. < 1399756541 111877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1399756558 93203 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the real problem is that you can't have a judge rule in *advance* < 1399756581 959605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if his decision were a little bit random... at least you know < 1399756620 779056 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can in cases where you can show there's a real risk of being sued over something < 1399756621 988357 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a general weakness of our law system I think < 1399756635 98335 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just by registering a domain I'm one foot in a court < 1399756654 28834 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if someone's making legal threats and not going through with them, you can effectively sue yourself to clear your name < 1399756663 76757 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nobody who can tell me conclusively if I'm allowed to register "mroman.ch" < 1399756737 949595 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do some database trademark searches < 1399756747 742870 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which aren't a 100% guarantee < 1399756753 394552 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any place in the world where registering domain names that are claimed by others is illegal < 1399756757 580072 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just gotta register it anyway and hope nobody's gonna sue you < 1399756779 599163 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It is in swizterland < 1399756788 464932 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't register a domain with "coca cola" in it < 1399756794 231062 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can < 1399756794 830232 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority of cases, if someone else does own the trademark, they'll settle rather than sue if you offer to give them the domain < 1399756796 867760 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can sue you < 1399756797 756862 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can't rely on that < 1399756915 269602 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can design a GUI < 1399756923 402271 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a opensource tool you wrote as a hobby < 1399756933 493877 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'll never know if somebody patented such a design < 1399756956 529791 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you pay patent researches < 1399756964 32027 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't tell you for *really* sure < 1399756968 358953 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it costs a lot) < 1399756994 851760 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.usacryptocoins.com/thecryptocurrencytimes/uncategorized/dafuq-coin-the-first-malware-coin/ < 1399756999 243177 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and as I imagine the US with even more crazier software patents... < 1399757014 538145 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's probably illegal for any US citizen to write software) < 1399757028 398229 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, parking domains is actually illegal in amurica now < 1399757032 190371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: looooool < 1399757101 781738 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: oh, I thought that was probably illegal a while ago < 1399757105 921340 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: fortunately most patents are fairly easy to work around. < 1399757114 365782 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe theoretically possible, but it's like the problem of trying to write a bug-free hello world < 1399757118 133095 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a huge amount of effort < 1399757118 436963 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399757119 995898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06timcoin 13braulcafoarkulcoin 04plaincoin 07305070coin 08rfectealcoin 09stracoin 02slmcoin 06@!coin 13opcrcoin 04parcoin 07orgertinoplincoin 08yencoin 09physixcoin 02famadncoin 06negringhaetacoin 13unacoin 04poicoin 07hypejocoin 08ming-boocoin 09huntingcoin < 1399757127 118282 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who put a rainbow on coins? < 1399757136 404501 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or has that always been there and I just never noticed due to filtering colors in the client? < 1399757141 9032 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbowcoin < 1399757147 286298 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: goddamn amazing < 1399757165 79212 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1399757178 382388 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the first' < 1399757216 69159 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] thanks to the investigative work of the owner of Bittrex, who was about to add Dafuq Coin to his exchange" < 1399757237 624458 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :About to. < 1399757258 682163 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant wait until "finnsta" becomes standard american english < 1399757280 584442 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish gangsta? < 1399757284 505198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: fairly recent addition < 1399757300 219096 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1399757300 796047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1399757330 207629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --finnish --esolangs 10 < 1399757331 139851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08@!coin 090x29acoin 02bdacal-xcoin 06insäcoin 13räisepolkcoin 04fundexcoin 07korecoin 08saancoin 09oikkalittercoin 02pohjuksencoin < 1399757353 235711 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"saancoin" sounds funny < 1399757360 628092 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I get coin" < 1399757416 737495 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1399757611 517552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg log bin/coins < 1399757612 566113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset: 4627:64a2d83fa108 \ user: HackBot \ date: Sun May 04 18:20:25 2014 +0000 \ summary: echo "words \\${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re \'s/( |$)/coin\\1/g\' | rainwords" > bin/coins \ \ changeset: 4531:7f957c1f4661 \ user: HackBot \ date: Sun Mar 16 01:52:15 2014 +0000 \ summary: r < 1399757643 531713 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg log bin/coins | grep '^date' | head -n 1 < 1399757644 340278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :date: Sun May 04 18:20:25 2014 +0000 < 1399757674 721921 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399757742 593792 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1399757813 252972 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1399757830 23008 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399757884 145283 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399758103 413123 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399758534 763799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was kmc, he's the main user of the command anyhow. < 1399758807 951538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://files.shroomery.org/files/14-19/968666276-image.jpg < 1399758870 736526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that facehugger's mushroom disguise isn't fooling anyone. < 1399758875 344162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1399759027 60814 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1399759086 294055 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1399759168 408124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mushroomexpert.com/clathrus_archeri.html < 1399759191 314362 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a land octopus < 1399759203 512744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399759208 587183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to the pacific northwest tree octopus < 1399759213 164246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smells worse tho < 1399759663 263442 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399759699 125408 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399759812 116746 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nuculaway < 1399759948 121776 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399760416 253786 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399760625 554983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399761360 159887 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399761389 762201 :nuculaway!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nucular < 1399762778 355287 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399762778 541564 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399763146 443725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 !!) < 1399763147 719678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator ‘GHC.List.!!’ [infixl 9] of a section < 1399763148 244786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower precedence than that of the operand, < 1399763148 244865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : namely ‘GHC.Base.$’ [infixr 0] < 1399763148 244900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the section: ‘0 $ 0 !!’ < 1399763158 385556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 $) < 1399763159 587228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator ‘GHC.Base.$’ [infixr 0] of a section < 1399763159 734843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower precedence than that of the operand, < 1399763159 734935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : namely ‘GHC.Base.$’ [infixr 0] < 1399763159 734984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the section: ‘0 $ 0 $’ < 1399763165 695818 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/bridgetkromhout/devops-against-humanity/blob/master/first-printing-cards-DevOpsAgainstHumanity.csv < 1399763578 249689 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399763816 9022 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1399764115 359157 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (0$0 $) < 1399764115 693463 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: |syntax error < 1399764115 840573 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: | (0 $0$) < 1399764152 188327 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: wow, the I/O handling in the IOCCC entry is nasty. (Am I right that U[-5]=96 can be reduced to U[-5] = 92? You need space for nil (4 entries) plus 8 cons cells with a bool (11 entries each), for a total of 11*8+4 = 92. < 1399764152 335738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1399764156 759477 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1399764209 14967 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Melvar still running idris-bot or is it someone else? < 1399764224 87551 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same bot in #idris < 1399764233 320825 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1399764235 439038 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Hello, idris-bot ignores me" < 1399764236 667282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello, idris-bot ignores me" < 1399764254 569196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: but the real nastiness is in the manipulation of the code pointer to perform loops in the auxilliary code generated by k(10,33). < 1399764268 306393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: well done. < 1399764348 642793 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's been a while since i coded that. let me see if i can figure out my code... < 1399764698 662130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: hmm. well it doesn't work. < 1399764710 129712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks his own calculation. < 1399764724 784039 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe nil takes 8 entries < 1399764751 828121 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to check my lambda space encoding < 1399764754 967294 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinner first... < 1399764792 749069 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399764864 218770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: oh. I forgot an APP VAR0 part that goes together with the nil, which is another 4 entries. Sorry. < 1399764985 809870 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It’s the same, just someone was unhappy about the “slave” name, and it was decided it should be changed. < 1399765010 290451 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: what about the no > prefix here but yes > prefix in #idris < 1399765067 888059 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I thought that was how people wanted it? < 1399765078 804525 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just wondering how the change was made < 1399765097 933797 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configs expanded to allow channel-specific configuration? < 1399765227 870830 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I implemented configuration in the first place, such that per-channel is possible. < 1399765236 938876 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I made a Vine < 1399766038 545578 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So, as a default, interpPrefixes = ["> ", "( "] , but for #esoteric, interpPrefixes = ["( "] . < 1399766124 995368 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people actually use ( in #idris ? < 1399766261 48440 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just decided it probably wouldn’t hurt. < 1399766595 174645 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The I country I voted for in the Eurovision came last :( < 1399766886 613468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpPrefixes = ["idris-bot: "] < 1399767364 601698 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is that france < 1399767381 253311 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i thought france was decent?? france was catchy < 1399767551 399395 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only got 2 points < 1399767720 468582 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399767752 701696 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399767952 812003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because no one could understand what they were singing hth < 1399768019 713948 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399768098 489792 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, une moustache! < 1399768100 310241 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1399768136 188808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who cares about aching mice < 1399768251 810866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also found out that one of my friends, who happens to be Italian, cannot hear the difference between "Paul" and "pole" < 1399768256 458814 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399768530 965458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sorting algorithms work best when only partial ordering is defined? < 1399768803 335390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If there is no ordering for some pair of data, then it means don't care how it is ordered in the final list.) < 1399768805 425636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399768882 840393 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was usual for sorts to treat false both ways as meaning equal, meaning their relative order is unimportant < 1399768966 987739 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399769001 707021 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399769025 509304 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399769028 353769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1399769039 251022 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399769749 621623 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: call an esolang C. "maximal confusion" < 1399770626 435620 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it Sea < 1399770692 865176 :LadyAethra!~LadyAethr@dynamic-adsl-78-13-183-37.clienti.tiscali.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1399770719 623459 :LadyAethra!~LadyAethr@dynamic-adsl-78-13-183-37.clienti.tiscali.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello , there is somebody here? < 1399770726 363439 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1399770751 814964 :LadyAethra!~LadyAethr@dynamic-adsl-78-13-183-37.clienti.tiscali.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not here too :) < 1399770919 612617 :LadyAethra!~LadyAethr@dynamic-adsl-78-13-183-37.clienti.tiscali.it QUIT :Client Quit < 1399771239 405345 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399771325 397051 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399771686 132771 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399771871 323480 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399772266 941041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399773838 249122 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399776124 693284 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1399776623 339599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dggh 5* 10New user account < 1399777138 88354 :hk3380!~test@90.202.243.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399778131 157584 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1399778548 906878 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399779777 861299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399779779 491215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09bestcoin 02akhacoin 06befuncitacoin 13chamcoin 04pointwispcoin 07beturcoin 08rfkcoin 09prnfcoin 02stackcoin 06barelnecoin 13monecoin 04shagecoin 07fmanicoin 08thtecoin 09plungcoin 02seliacoin 06enubicoin 13pathcoin 040.19coin 07footiliorslitaincoin < 1399780270 262281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fungot are the virtuous among us < 1399780270 639019 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help getting to work only if you had to specify a " real" programs, too :) libgauche.so: no such file < 1399780301 471177 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauche, eh < 1399780688 511703 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399780736 124869 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399781659 323498 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399781659 737928 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399782026 888233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here know about quasi-order/preorder theory? < 1399782410 875786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :preorders are just simple categories hth < 1399782428 91473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? preorder < 1399782428 721008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A preorder is just a small thin category. < 1399782430 409415 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Amazon category < 1399782445 942047 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a variant on tropical mathematics < 1399782531 973229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :preorders are just topologies where any intersection of open sets is open hth < 1399782552 170429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: did you finish topology in agda yet < 1399782555 413684 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore -regexp -pattern hth$ #esoteric < 1399782560 609671 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hah no < 1399782563 927516 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never finish anything < 1399782569 258946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did you start < 1399782574 491884 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :except at work, I guess < 1399782580 385795 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, I had some code for it somewhere < 1399782584 836573 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been on the dead computer though < 1399786247 114226 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399786263 712319 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399786473 703165 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399786860 433849 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399786994 719843 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399787163 136491 :SL61!~fenzil@cpe-74-136-69-65.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399787188 557923 :SL61!~fenzil@cpe-74-136-69-65.swo.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1399787718 281957 :hk3380!~test@90.202.243.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399788551 459209 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399789630 354208 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399790055 153063 :password2!~password@197.78.133.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399790925 676193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39491&oldid=39490 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1071) 10 < 1399791158 343031 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug-free hello world? < 1399791241 749153 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399791309 34063 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use HQ9 for that. < 1399792185 961008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39492&oldid=39491 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+149) 10 < 1399792417 357023 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399793383 655702 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/BKuYBOmq <- so far so good < 1399793397 955078 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :an assembly like language should be easiest to compile and write a compiler in it < 1399793425 344871 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399793873 735455 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399794784 969420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39493&oldid=39492 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+198) 10 < 1399795769 397892 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399796001 429932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399796001 577158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1399796001 577213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1399796054 786892 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399796194 416433 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-238-232.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399796289 691935 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399796905 975375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39494&oldid=39493 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1016) 10 < 1399796995 643203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39495&oldid=39494 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-10) 10 < 1399797157 846508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39496&oldid=39495 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+3) 10 < 1399797240 337443 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-238-232.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399797293 137646 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39497&oldid=39496 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+2) 10/* Brainfuck interpreter */ < 1399797305 661640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39498&oldid=39497 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+0) 10/* Brainfuck interpreter */ < 1399797436 931628 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399797791 760131 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-251-116.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399798339 469178 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fprintf(0,"foo") the same as fprintf(stdout,"foo")? < 1399798353 454233 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's argument is a FILE* < 1399798368 144496 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one could confuse as "ponter to a file" < 1399798379 190526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 0 would be more or less a null pointer < 1399798459 908643 :password2!~password@197.78.133.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399798623 471547 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399798646 498609 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399798747 293349 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \nmain() { fprintf(0, "\\n"); } < 1399798748 212637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1399798766 982779 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-251-116.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399798811 943962 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-251-116.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399799471 100550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399799680 224547 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \nmain() { fprintf(stdout, "\\n"); } < 1399799681 217553 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399799700 863218 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't stdout fhandle 0? < 1399799709 52380 :password2!~password@197.78.172.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399799994 591188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: after pondering your recent deepOf, i've concluded that you need a Tectonic class so that your plates can move (between types (and i realize Data may not be up to give the information)) and stab properly. < 1399800465 401093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let :info test < 1399800465 549662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Parse error: : < 1399800483 788348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure i wasn't lying on stackoverflow < 1399800738 673740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wonders if he can say eighth < 1399800743 727753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently. < 1399800790 346794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighth of spades vs ace of spades < 1399800803 737366 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399800816 77312 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fcntl and stuff that takes int 0 as stdout < 1399800817 370235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighth of thpadeth < 1399800909 3961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that gives two google hits, alas not with the eighth and thpadeth together < 1399801018 644845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39499&oldid=39498 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+2) 10/* Classes and objects */ < 1399801208 610647 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \n#define A(x) printf(#x" = %d\\n", fileno(x));\nmain(){ A(stdin); A(stdout); A(stderr); } < 1399801209 506308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdin = 0 \ stdout = 1 \ stderr = 2 < 1399801277 445929 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc #include \n#define A(x) printf(#x"=%p fileno("#x")=%d\\n", x, fileno(x));\nmain(){ A(stdin); A(stdout); A(stderr); } < 1399801278 241270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdin=0x405a66c0 fileno(stdin)=0 \ stdout=0x405a67a0 fileno(stdout)=1 \ stderr=0x405a6880 fileno(stderr)=2 < 1399803453 590436 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 I also made it strip its nick off the front of a line independently of any other interpretation. < 1399803453 738134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399803566 306879 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399803576 457441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (0$0 +) < 1399803576 896055 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:7: error: expected: operator < 1399803577 43830 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0$0 +) < 1399803577 190601 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1399803597 519031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm idris doesn't have sections at all? < 1399803618 144144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (1 +) 1 < 1399803618 527660 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :042 : 12Integer < 1399803632 940060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (1*1 +) 1 < 1399803633 430150 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:7: error: expected: operator < 1399803633 577369 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1*1 +) 1 < 1399803633 577431 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1399803659 307972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's weird. < 1399803676 220067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ((1*1) +) 1 < 1399803676 725727 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :042 : 12Integer < 1399803710 653124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has sections, but their arguments must not have top operators? < 1399803982 905541 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe that is correct. < 1399804014 782158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+( (sin 1 +) 5.0 < 1399804018 523689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (sin 1 +) 5.0 < 1399804018 914641 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9: error: expected: operator < 1399804019 147298 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sin 1 +) 5.0 < 1399804019 294661 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1399804035 271173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or function application. < 1399804043 542938 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I thought that worked. < 1399804047 765669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ((sin 1) +) 5.0 < 1399804048 82914 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :045.841470984807897 : 12Float < 1399804056 45198 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (+ sin 1) 5.0 < 1399804056 362322 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :045.841470984807897 : 12Float < 1399804066 936593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1399804073 581402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARSER NEEDS WORK < 1399804075 235128 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like time to update the issue … < 1399804082 736559 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it very much does. < 1399804090 566959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an issue for this? < 1399804289 433510 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/idris-lang/Idris-dev/issues/524 Also I miscalled them “slices” apparently >.> < 1399804362 94179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense, both slices, sections are parts cut off from a whole. < 1399804367 640555 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1399804378 655209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (+ 1 * 2) 4 < 1399804379 135765 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :046 : 12Integer < 1399804381 961905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1399804418 586184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you must go the edwardk way and make them be subtly differently typed variations on a theme. < 1399804481 404487 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :type shifting plates is something we've talked about ;) < 1399804492 990188 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the improvement there should have allowed at least function application to appear there, but apparently later changes have broken that again? < 1399804510 250194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i sort of expected that :) < 1399804535 632259 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (+ 1 * 2) < 1399804536 73403 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13{ARG1000} => 09prim__addBigInt 13ARG 042 : 12Integer -> 12Integer < 1399804569 976042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (/ 2) 4 < 1399804570 412177 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :042.0 : 12Float < 1399804584 746860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (/ 2) < 1399804585 135832 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13{ARG1000} => 09prim__divFloat 13ARG 042.0 : 12Float -> 12Float < 1399804607 726445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that 1000 < 1399804620 226242 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wierd name is because there’s some problem with showing internal autogenerated names. < 1399804650 671947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh huh. < 1399804719 231187 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Eq Int) %instance < 1399804719 554204 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04constructor of Prelude.Classes.Eq (\13{meth0} => \13{meth1} => 09intToBool (09prim__eqInt 13meth 13meth)) < 1399804719 791828 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (\13{meth2} => \13{meth4} => 09not (09intToBool (09prim__eqInt 13meth 13meth))) : 12Eq 12Int < 1399804731 302524 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same issue there. < 1399804820 243555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, it's dropping the number in expression position? < 1399804822 610954 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braces and uniquifying number are shown at binding but not at use, it seems. < 1399804883 737975 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbsmmzcywijfpfmw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399805056 692031 :hk3380!~test@90.202.243.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399805057 695776 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there’s “constructor of Prelude.Classes.Eq” which is also an internal name you can’t reference. Several kinds of internal name are phrases, making parsing some errors a bit difficult. < 1399805653 71108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like the main thing you'd want to use {}'s around < 1399805674 660471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps allowing them on input too? < 1399806115 440120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sngscsv14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39500 5* 03Dggh 5* (+4) 10Created page with "todo" < 1399806177 485830 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399806890 247432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399807013 61633 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There are already things with {} around on input, so no. < 1399807041 599338 :Case__!~Case@115-64-10-45.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399807057 96650 :Case__!~Case@115-64-10-45.static.tpgi.com.au PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1399807066 299117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lost case < 1399807134 458254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: in that case you are doomed to absorb perl syntax for distinguishing the options hth < 1399807164 468630 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \a => id {a} < 1399807164 875457 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1399807165 22850 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: Prelude.Basics.id, Control.Category.id < 1399807172 723981 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \a => Basics.id {a} < 1399807173 81774 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13a => 09id : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1399807179 226187 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1399807214 788098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoon Taneb < 1399807719 516850 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399807791 615221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESOSC14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39501 5* 0392.105.82.69 5* (+675) 10Created page with "The Esoteric Standard Committee (ESOSC) aims to standardize esolangs and related works. The ESOSC assures high-quality esolang standards much more detailed than esolang wiki ..." < 1399807805 143251 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta spread the word :) < 1399807841 337351 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I'm user:EzoLang < 1399807919 432515 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399807920 34755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1399807944 778678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESOSC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39502&oldid=39501 5* 0392.105.82.69 5* (+1) 10 < 1399808003 64823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, nortti, what are the prospective goals for D4 and D5 < 1399808193 499051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d4 < 1399808193 685627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 2 < 1399808195 763508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d5 < 1399808195 910780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 5 < 1399808210 563824 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :After hearing about PSOX D4 might not be needed < 1399808216 203156 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that PSOX uses a binary format < 1399808229 506152 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be unconfortable for some esolangs probbly? < 1399808249 643497 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But D4 was about EsoAPI, PEOSIX < 1399808253 605882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally < 1399808304 364024 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#++ is some esolang I'm working on < 1399808360 211929 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :EsoAPI specs aren't available anymore < 1399808371 518184 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Sgeo's PSOX specs are still available < 1399808377 396739 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they look pretty good < 1399808756 577526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ISO also standardizes whole languages < 1399808764 363258 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought we could do that to < 1399808783 285665 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which raises the questions whether Brainfuck Conventions should be more like "ESOSC Brainfuck" < 1399808810 640378 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which defines what to use as EOF and stuff < 1399808820 497674 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe standardize how to embed comments into Brainfuck < 1399808860 214459 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and wrap-around) < 1399808894 993964 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "defining" conventions < 1399808903 54359 :password2!~password@197.78.172.82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399808950 504015 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are we actually going to do this? < 1399808965 992986 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask around what people here prefer and then use the majority < 1399809401 726201 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399809417 496336 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a good idea < 1399809546 45536 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It being a binary format is probably rather helpful in some other esolangs though < 1399809561 444551 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about PSOX) < 1399809569 616260 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we conduct just a informat vote on channel or set up some sort of questionaire thing? < 1399809867 618988 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an online survey? < 1399810103 814265 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, wasn't there a gdocs thing for that < 1399810139 109193 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. < 1399810149 722731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you want 0 or -1 (255) as EOF?" < 1399810153 584730 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :those kind of questions. < 1399810174 331677 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, EOF, wraparound, bitness? < 1399810181 707765 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399810188 452363 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's the possibility of no change on EOF < 1399810195 888384 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1399810296 612840 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, regarding 2014-D2-R3, are there any more plans to introduce other normalized forms than FNF? < 1399810319 90968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could take this under consideration: http://brainfuck.sourceforge.net/rules.html < 1399810340 332381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, all of <>, +- etc don't apply with bounded tapes or non-wrapping values < 1399810366 942309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I thought not allowing to decrement 0 was a pity) < 1399810376 646178 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I do know that < 1399810419 465135 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case that no other normalized forms are planned, the "First" seems redundant < 1399810467 363738 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, actually. I never thought about what ',' would return after EOF had been reached, maybe have that too < 1399810487 508502 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least erroring out and re-returning EOF are possibilities < 1399810521 63151 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer re-returning EOF < 1399810555 308 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also < 1399810574 321876 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and newline handling < 1399810588 755381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line feed. < 1399810598 404119 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, < 1399810615 964424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39503&oldid=39499 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+314) 10/* Commands */ < 1399810617 261167 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if we're feeling ridiculous, U+0085 < 1399810629 876126 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 0085 < 1399810630 552833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​… < 1399810639 759789 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1399810640 391842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399810645 804533 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 0085 < 1399810646 436196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0030 DIGIT ZERO] [U+0030 DIGIT ZERO] [U+0038 DIGIT EIGHT] [U+0035 DIGIT FIVE] < 1399810654 76177 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LINE SEPARATOR < 1399810654 690165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​
 < 1399810661 396405 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode … < 1399810662 315259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0085 \ UTF-8: c2 85 UTF-16BE: 0085 Decimal: … \ … \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: B (Paragraph Separator) < 1399810671 529192 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1399810688 521852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, Line Feed is a better option < 1399810697 60022 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1399810699 825600 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 
 < 1399810700 493935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2028 LINE SEPARATOR] < 1399810737 7324 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I'd implement the stuff as 8bit, wrap, linefeed, 0 on eof, re-return eof, right-infine < 1399811067 321017 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :␤ < 1399811170 506516 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only see a block < 1399811208 471012 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399811227 143322 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`multicode 0085 < 1399811227 975443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0085 \ UTF-8: c2 85 UTF-16BE: 0085 Decimal: … \ … \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: B (Paragraph Separator) < 1399811236 960588 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399811321 295506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: please standardize something that doesn't invalidate virtually all BF programs ever written. < 1399811772 437202 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yeah < 1399811774 18833 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1399812035 437202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Historically, Urban Müller's bfi.c used getchar() for ',', that points towards -1 for EOF. I wonder what the compiler did ... < 1399812057 202172 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used no change < 1399812061 332397 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1399812143 450606 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the zero-on-eof come from? < 1399812221 267461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I can imagine two reasons, one is convenience, and the other is a dislike for negative numbers (for example because you want to use Church numerals) < 1399812282 759470 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, online survey would probably be best < 1399812299 934608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the topic and on the wiki's main page? < 1399812334 560299 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one of you can create it, I cannot run gdocs atm < 1399812372 107570 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating one currently :) < 1399812767 442084 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] is the most compelling argument imo < 1399812952 765679 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-change has the argument that is can simulate any return on eof < 1399812980 688685 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,/[-],/g for 0 and s/,/[-]-,/g for -1 < 1399813086 3292 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] reads until zero? < 1399813145 989217 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat < 1399813169 739266 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll standardize cookies < 1399813183 838515 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to ,+[-.,+] (assuming wrap for sake of sanity) and [-],[.[-],] < 1399813413 85172 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how does no-change cat work < 1399813436 860349 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-],[.[-],] < 1399813456 267957 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i guess the first [-] doesn't matter, duh. < 1399813464 437236 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah < 1399813470 433371 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since inited to 0 < 1399813487 96692 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That stops on zero, not EOF < 1399813518 332258 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/not just/ < 1399813523 839921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always a character that can't be distinguished from EOF if you have only 8 bits (and 8 bit characters) < 1399813561 721162 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :-,+[-.[-]-,+] i guess? < 1399813563 673969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use -,+[-.[-]-,+] to simulate -1 on EOF < 1399813576 781253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be radical and do > on EOF hth < 1399813594 983457 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1399813600 765896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the command, not the character) < 1399813627 344412 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good as far as standards go < 1399813650 855997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twould have the advantage that you actually _could_ distinguish EOF from everything. < 1399813737 806287 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, break ~everything < 1399813740 275359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it does look like Urban Müller's compiler implements no change on EOF semantics. < 1399813815 760518 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run three copies of the program and merge the results < 1399814087 694605 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399814117 622226 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399814447 320504 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399814518 149549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, even better, do [>] on EOF. < 1399814553 706861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1399814598 673267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's backwards < 1399814661 510685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no that's close enough. < 1399814682 22662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(doesn't break ,[.,] cat) < 1399814794 443552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that will accidentally fail to break many programs hth < 1399814831 896073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically anything that does , only on a 0 _or_ halts immediately when reading a 0.) < 1399814869 987897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo echo < 1399814870 141696 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo echo < 1399814874 48815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show echo < 1399814874 231598 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[.>,]<[<]+32[.>] < 1399814885 33201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one < 1399814891 254012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rev < 1399814891 401233 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1399814896 772575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1399814917 216008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, almost completely backwards compatible! < 1399815042 229243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitively, because if you are saving input for later you'd most likely input into a new untouched cell < 1399815976 398459 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddplcmixzakwibzk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399816038 314449 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399816096 434219 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399816205 413829 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://de.surveymonkey.com/s/LKP5NSH <- something like that @questionaire < 1399816419 41408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is missing the option of unbounded in both directions < 1399816461 329724 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to make that page be in english? < 1399816474 239720 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was? < 1399816488 315422 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399816493 643095 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, shows german for me < 1399816520 75522 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399816520 369090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1399816523 327267 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wait* < 1399816562 813050 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1399816606 632929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: drop the initial de. in the hostname < 1399816614 724081 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399816624 490687 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still shows german for me if I drop the de. < 1399816637 50769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me < 1399816683 306132 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT : < 1399816749 701848 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399816761 918502 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I get a finnish page telling me that the page was not found < 1399816787 770770 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yeah < 1399816793 354321 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to change question 3 < 1399816795 793404 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399816801 108550 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had to revoke the previous link < 1399816823 114802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV < 1399816827 223204 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that should be english now < 1399817125 373273 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399817141 288358 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399817217 592413 :atslash!~atslash@91.195.137.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399817296 427120 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399817411 113184 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399817939 439409 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399817962 711709 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399818048 773495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is getting ridiculous. It says "Javascript is required for this site to function, please enable." I disable CSS. I get a bona fide HTML form to fill in, with functioning submit button. < 1399818087 949005 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't even notice such a requirement since links2 does not have css :D < 1399818312 230520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sad thing is that the Web at large has now successfully trained me to do that, disable CSS when a web page requests Javascript. It works about half of the time. < 1399818345 724884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be more specific, when it requests Javascript but doesn't display any other content.) < 1399818371 55886 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also works on the bootstrap-based menus that for some ungodly reason require js < 1399818597 657198 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I’m gonna have to remember that. Sometimes I remember to click-hold and press delete, and sometimes that works too. < 1399818986 932847 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399819100 60314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Just surrender to Javascript already! < 1399819238 185334 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399819901 407767 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399820181 702321 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399820746 388972 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1399822411 969998 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E126.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399822421 898465 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E126.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399822422 46162 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399823020 442463 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399823469 525319 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399823497 740062 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399823688 421366 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399824516 449970 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399826717 897477 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399826759 704632 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399826837 439983 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399827093 709393 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1399827101 644826 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399827135 104663 :atslash!~atslash@91.195.137.195 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1399827747 514776 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399828207 787083 :conehead!~conehead@cpe-67-10-116-50.gt.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399828467 692300 :conehead!~conehead@cpe-67-10-116-50.gt.res.rr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1399828467 877489 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399828686 93567 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399828690 736912 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399828691 431365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39504&oldid=39380 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+141) 10Forobj < 1399828764 85035 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399828790 707887 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399828816 31457 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39505&oldid=39503 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+10) 10 < 1399828878 246627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399828987 301063 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/31357.html < 1399829531 506114 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399829551 696112 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399829565 624793 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399829574 516255 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399829779 433399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399830211 611657 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399830219 462397 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399830234 714346 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399830358 246116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399830424 711874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Malltog 5* 10New user account < 1399830851 404830 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1399830940 715924 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good fternoon! we have a song contest? < 1399830948 546154 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1399830948 693037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc asked 2d 16h 48m 25s ago: what's the deal with your quit messages? < 1399830968 253673 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: eh... eeeeeeeeh... >_>'... < 1399831110 154939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: we do < 1399831123 457870 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399831244 683512 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esoteric song contest! < 1399831445 340125 :conehead!~conehead@cpe-67-10-116-50.gt.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399831463 416100 :conehead!~conehead@cpe-67-10-116-50.gt.res.rr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1399831463 605749 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399831500 93575 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhelloman_. Tanelle. < 1399831524 515757 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any subscribers? contestants? judges? bloopers? < 1399831750 688314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1399831781 969009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3472/3373021846_838c8b0089_o.jpg < 1399831858 623620 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches, drools and overdoses with a manic grin < 1399831858 980878 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1399831867 703868 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oui... ouiiii... < 1399832177 564795 :hk3380!~test@90.202.243.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399832280 19431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Tokyo < 1399832734 869954 :atslash!~atslash@46.72.76.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399832841 504813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Improbable14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39506 5* 03Malltog 5* (+1432) 10Created page with "'''Improbable''' is a register- and tape-based esoteric language focusing on succinctness. A tape is called the datastore, and is 256 bytes long. The register is one byte. The..." < 1399832847 76372 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399832873 66654 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399832939 54597 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is succinctness such a long word < 1399832977 844532 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a very succint word, eh < 1399833038 198190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's heterological < 1399833144 175792 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is heterological heterological < 1399833146 638181 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a word be partially heterological? < 1399833152 395578 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds russell's paradox-y < 1399833156 489064 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399833178 110048 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grelling%E2%80%93Nelson_paradox#Similarities_with_Russell.27s_paradox < 1399833424 541003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bilogical? < 1399833425 482908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1399833459 705870 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilogicaly: that which is sane and logical in my head. < 1399833493 960377 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like chicken? < 1399833505 731673 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like chicken. < 1399833525 908171 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't blame chicken. it tastes good!) < 1399835206 503942 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399835356 969657 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-168-98.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: The set of chickens that aren't contained in those chickens < 1399835754 164019 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV <- Brainfuck Survey < 1399835900 478392 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi TOPIC #esoteric :The dead serious channel | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1399837076 717779 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399837228 341754 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399837461 62914 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-127-251-116.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1399837872 630606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Improbable14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39507&oldid=39506 5* 03Malltog 5* (+2) 10Clarified external link < 1399838621 603135 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399838682 393642 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone planning to implement Pinkcode? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Pinkcode < 1399840121 531357 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks a bit interesting < 1399840330 847962 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399840446 596270 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399840592 462092 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what cell ownership affects, though < 1399840639 758714 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399841591 30418 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399841621 361994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.49.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399841621 883326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.49.247 QUIT :Changing host < 1399841622 30331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399841857 879250 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399842241 853806 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399842574 310108 :rapido!25fb231a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.251.35.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399842577 493953 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399842626 146374 :rapido_!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1399842686 488465 :rapido_!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone been into http://www.availlang.org ? < 1399842769 646581 :rapido_!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :avail has a very interesting type system married with functional purity < 1399842809 769367 :rapido_!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears esoteric because of its *very* free syntax < 1399842825 12362 :rapido_!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the semantics are very solid < 1399842828 333444 :rapido!25fb231a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.251.35.26 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399842828 830674 :rapido_!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl NICK :rapido < 1399842904 494631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look very pure < 1399842941 577431 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? but everything is pure except for variables (of course!) < 1399842992 730173 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system is pretty nifty < 1399843028 298621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: if reader : []→string and writer : [string]→⊤ are ever going to get specified as things that do IO (as the text suggests), then it is unlikely they can have those types in a pure language. < 1399843030 565576 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has multmethod dispatch on precise types < 1399843053 616176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those variables also seem to clearly be mutable < 1399843057 172126 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the reader and write stuff < 1399843071 376318 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, variables are mutable < 1399843080 77673 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but very cleverly so < 1399843096 344816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but it's not pure :P < 1399843113 101448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399843125 693229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "functional purity" could just mean purity of paradigm there rather than "purely functional". < 1399843150 946796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not quite sure "functional" exists as a meaningful paradigm in itself if you don't at least imply the language is pure < 1399843172 86048 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know what you mean < 1399843261 252182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language seems interesting at a glance, though the syntax is hard to get over. < 1399843279 462863 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :every language is suddenly ‘functional’ because that’s fashionable to say < 1399843299 633666 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the syntax is hard because it’s completely free form < 1399843312 120089 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which i rather like) < 1399843372 402670 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we should talk about semantics - no? 9.9 < 1399843390 791202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but syntax is easier to argue about < 1399843419 449978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's argue about the syntax of comments < 1399843485 128126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend borrowing the -- (...) (...) ... from Reaper. < 1399843495 867996 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399843502 540357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my vancient aporware language) < 1399843505 730958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1399843567 288821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want you to finish that. < 1399843576 13824 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this avail gem? http://www.availlang.org/_examples/rpn/RPN.avail < 1399843590 737230 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i’m very much into postfix syntax < 1399843681 405047 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that example just renders syntax arguments moot < 1399843754 47132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense some COBOL/ADA inspiration. < 1399843755 28317 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it could be that avail is an advertisment for babelism < 1399843769 89002 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apl < 1399843787 697609 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399843828 977650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also say that article provides more fuel for syntax arguments than anyone could ever need :p < 1399843868 182137 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: https://trac.availlang.org/browser/avail/Avail/distro/src/avail/Avail.avail/Foundation.avail/Sets.avail < 1399843929 322018 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi i’m totally in love with avail < 1399843954 151057 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s like my language enchilada, but with types < 1399844030 393814 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah utf-8 < 1399844194 667585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :types are like enchiladas < 1399844241 362034 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah? i never tasted such a type of enchilada < 1399844271 776472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to wear a hazmat suit < 1399844325 979428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle of a desert < 1399844373 29512 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get your urine recycled < 1399844374 27739 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1399844379 432108 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-213.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399844396 86606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _may_ be why. < 1399844419 465200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm just parodying monad analogies here, assuming they're going over your head) < 1399844446 765725 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, i need urine but i’m wearing this suit < 1399844459 202166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :urine a bit of trouble then < 1399844473 474084 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399844475 445177 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad analogies go over my head because i ignore them < 1399844496 966662 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads thus < 1399844540 803296 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are like burritos: nobody understands them. < 1399844551 235345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. once a monad analogy gets into your head you cannot get it out again. < 1399844611 693239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm pretty sure edwardk does. < 1399844629 823323 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk, burrito god. < 1399844655 12330 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burritos rule, though.... < 1399844701 1277 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, they fligh right over my head - because i duck < 1399844797 353886 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck is rather tasty too < 1399844815 170415 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1399844815 432997 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck typing - nah < 1399844868 523798 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399844939 143082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: are you a burrito expert twh < 1399845267 684094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t elemIndices < 1399845268 541888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq a => a -> [a] -> [Int] < 1399845382 44025 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to show off my new love, she’s a rare kind of type (of types of types): http://www.availlang.org/about-avail/documentation/type-system/metatypes.html < 1399845459 574896 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i've been known to wrap code in a burrito or two < 1399845478 934811 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what can i help you with? < 1399845505 983254 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do maintain the burrito transformer library ;) < 1399845522 222313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were merely wondering if the monad-burrito correspondence held for you < 1399845626 641714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle liftST < 1399845628 249425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH.Syntax liftString :: String -> Q Exp < 1399845637 268776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nope. < 1399845639 382503 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Type < 1399845640 290728 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Type : 12Type < 1399846276 992351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cont < 1399846277 945169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> r) -> r) -> Cont r a < 1399846308 677558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont r a variant < 1399846321 65812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why doesn't that give a general MonadCont < 1399846326 501012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t state < 1399846327 728780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadState s m => (s -> (a, s)) -> m a < 1399846335 357289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this one < 1399846401 779908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i suppose as the maintainer of the burrito transformer library you should know that? < 1399846407 784707 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonads are more like burritos to me < 1399846414 240261 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always unwrap them < 1399846436 779520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1399846479 192983 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, cont can't be upgraded the way you want. m occurs in both positive and negative position in it < 1399846490 674838 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ContT < 1399846490 821972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1399846491 581419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> m r) -> m r) -> ContT r m a < 1399846528 645861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399846550 519669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _could_ do it from the Codensity version, right? < 1399846572 938150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, a forall on the r would suffice. < 1399846587 604820 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've stumbled on the difference between MonadTrans and something stronger that permits an injection t Identity a -> t m a or (MonadHoist t, Monad m , Monad n) => (forall a. m a -> n a) -> t m a -> t n a < 1399846618 751441 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't checked naturality of hoisting for Codensity < 1399846660 546199 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxiicjtwfxqjnxfc JOIN :#esoteric < 1399846678 235888 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mark < 1399846719 169880 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should consider creating an avail channel < 1399846811 307318 :Eritzap!574031e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.49.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399846919 768290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i'm just wondering if you can write something of type MonadCont m => (forall r. (a -> r) -> r) -> m a < 1399846936 481255 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall r? sure < 1399846939 104871 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is easy < 1399846951 534629 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick r = m r' < 1399846965 666632 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :for full Codensity? < 1399846974 888135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC < 1399846975 464382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadCont m => ((a -> m b) -> m a) -> m a < 1399846984 943142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's not quite the right type < 1399846996 692674 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :not calCC < 1399847003 758092 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't callCC with Codensity < 1399847008 686114 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can lower codensity to Cont < 1399847015 960124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i'm talking about MonadCont < 1399847044 519351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is, after all, it's only specific method. < 1399847050 760130 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial :: Codensity m a -> ContT r m a; trivial = ContT . runCodensity < 1399847052 495695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1399847055 396194 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_: sorry, i thought you were someone else. < 1399847059 359356 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but handling all of MonadCont I don't expect < 1399847215 208023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1399847335 54696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399847415 650595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399847420 624778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1399847492 554495 :Eritzap!574031e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.49.224 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1399847917 773984 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1399848630 34554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: oh duh of course callCC has the right type to lift Codensity Identity a, just set b = a. < 1399848658 700079 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399848677 567209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1399848681 676597 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1399848684 638432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runCodensity < 1399848685 363299 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :your statement is a bit different < 1399848685 510804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘runCodensity’ < 1399848685 657945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘runIdentity’ (imported from Control.Monad.Identity) < 1399848716 84005 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just running Codensity m a in ContT r m a -- unquantifying r < 1399848786 630374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my er was because i realized m worked instead of Identity < 1399848809 309581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just needed to look up that i remembered the definition of Codensity. < 1399848817 241377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*correctly < 1399848947 440691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC :: MonadCont m => (forall z. (a -> m z) -> m z) -> m a < 1399848948 466946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘(a1 -> m1 b0) -> m1 a1’ < 1399848948 614232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with ‘forall z. (a1 -> m1 z) -> m1 z’ < 1399848948 614298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (forall z. (a1 -> m1 z) -> m1 z) -> m1 a1 < 1399848966 453821 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can lift Codensity Identity as well of course. < 1399848981 662268 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to callCC < 1399848985 824675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess i need a let < 1399848986 372250 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use the ContT constructor < 1399848988 571402 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ContT < 1399848989 534596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> m r) -> m r) -> ContT r m a < 1399849006 492086 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Functor.Codensity.Codensity < 1399849007 334472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘Data.Functor.Codensity.Codensity’ < 1399849010 309083 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxiicjtwfxqjnxfc PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I start learning now, I'll understand this in about 15 years. < 1399849025 176941 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let newtype Codensity m a = Codensity { runCodensity :: forall r. (a -> m r) -> m r } < 1399849025 325270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TypeOperators is not enabled < 1399849030 790455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let r2cCC f = callCC f; r2cCC :: MonadCont m => (forall z. (a -> m z) -> m z) -> m a in r2cCC < 1399849031 405859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadCont m => (forall z. (a -> m z) -> m z) -> m a < 1399849063 590854 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you keep trying for full MonadCont < 1399849071 105209 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC < 1399849072 45409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadCont m => ((a -> m b) -> m a) -> m a < 1399849077 794132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, and it seems to work < 1399849102 132040 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems plausible < 1399849115 957884 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits my understanding of how you can use the continuation in codensity < 1399849124 122874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let r2cCC cd = callCC (runCodensity cd) in r2cCC < 1399849125 53060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘runCodensity’ < 1399849125 200272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘runIdentity’ (imported from Control.Monad.Identity) < 1399849141 796259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh your definition failed < 1399849166 146391 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399849209 137552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think lambdabot @let is missing some extension to allow foralls in data types < 1399850941 117589 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399851644 88679 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1399852286 429712 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399852932 585469 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399853166 346910 :madbr!boulam@69.165.212.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399853257 577623 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399853305 689439 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399853978 726390 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399854003 704934 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399854046 986632 :atslash!~atslash@46.72.76.109 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1399854574 776409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1399854842 334537 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399855058 194508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every world we reach is fungot < 1399855058 496352 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ( i'm saying this as a cgi. use mod_lisp.) and can be left off. < 1399855068 381602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a full-time internet? < 1399855068 577040 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's a macro. i thought that was fnord < 1399855326 540274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure fungot is computer-generated imagery < 1399855327 50179 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what use would a variable? < 1399855332 68307 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399855538 271148 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399855858 525459 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399855864 69800 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399855975 538424 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399855976 339242 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1399855976 634200 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1399855977 140452 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1399856509 541707 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1399860848 689937 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lxiicjtwfxqjnxfc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399862160 841126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399862922 917425 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1399862968 60474 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Client Quit < 1399864175 411300 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399864175 602368 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399864517 434658 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399865314 455791 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :ubiquipumpkin < 1399865521 319906 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399865998 989873 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399866488 513130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dumb.domains/ < 1399866581 573375 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for making this all possible, ICANN < 1399866668 1274 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boobies.cool < 1399866777 542826 :ubiquipumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list of all the crazy TLDs that have appeared? < 1399866796 230201 :ubiquipumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains < 1399866798 73602 :ubiquipumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind :) < 1399866865 142615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hark, a pumpkin < 1399866955 23652 :ubiquipumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, pumpkin is not a tld :( < 1399867059 109275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubiquipumpkin: surely you could make it one < 1399867077 254192 :ubiquipumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the requirements are significantly lower :P < 1399867128 972756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might not be .pumpkin but at least there's .bike < 1399867186 743721 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1399867188 947245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin.co < 1399867197 424686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with dnssec anyway < 1399867208 260298 :ubiquipumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: omg if I were publishing jvm packages I'd be all set < 1399867227 557251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399867298 741527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name: .red < 1399867307 196213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entity: those who like the color 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QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399868054 203388 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399868084 609137 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399868160 759164 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399868287 578067 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1399868335 699213 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1399869060 347594 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399869824 700654 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399870199 389952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1399870794 709329 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399871071 401014 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1399871111 698826 :Slereah_!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399871287 649506 :password2!~password@197.78.157.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399872898 161320 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399873552 821052 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399873720 947547 :madbr!boulam@69.165.212.148 QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1399873867 396695 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399874344 758238 :password2!~password@197.78.157.100 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399874574 562968 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You can check for whether a cell belongs to you or the enemy < 1399874603 383331 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can scan the memory and bomb every location not belonging to you < 1399874842 334854 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399874997 126894 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I see the 'C' instruction isn't documented < 1399875008 635231 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intented to allow one to copy itself < 1399875766 67448 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399876613 384333 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399877534 695078 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399878540 329999 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399878763 621002 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399878765 501098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's with the weird bolding in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booth_encoding < 1399878794 507506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it took three edits to mess it up < 1399879391 757642 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399879750 394737 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399879757 250445 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello is this where we learn about the magic < 1399880088 186999 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1399882014 839459 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399882621 842131 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/patents/US20030083544?dq=finding+love&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VqxuU52KKKLjsASNloCwBA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA < 1399883225 441927 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399883985 115814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399884138 419761 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399884683 823035 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddplcmixzakwibzk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399884708 421480 :atslash!~atslash@46.72.76.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399885714 771379 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399886139 638403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: someone was too bold while editing hth < 1399887972 449697 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399888777 94552 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if spammers were to pay 1 cent to charity for every spam mail they send < 1399888781 421527 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a world we would live in... < 1399888886 944505 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far 10/10 agreed on re-return EOF and unbounded memory to the right < 1399889044 377496 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399889196 603954 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But spam is charity! < 1399889203 27584 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many are from poor countries < 1399889222 965450 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spammer#Geographical_origins < 1399890037 412458 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399890242 753248 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399890531 33763 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1399890974 422775 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399891075 669893 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399891907 757342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399892171 627360 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399893160 441070 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399893160 588277 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:nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399908474 691370 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399908532 551192 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1399909039 434502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thx for fixing tdh < 1399909233 587759 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: write non-recursive factorial for Church numerals < 1399909313 663031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: write non-recursive ackermann function for Chuch numerals < 1399909349 46222 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure that's possible? < 1399909384 51877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible for it to be an exercise < 1399909386 890231 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least factorial is possible < 1399909440 395169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ackermann thing is instructive. < 1399909477 442772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a typographical hint: instead of ack(n,m), write ack_n(m). < 1399909515 441817 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a slightly (very) cheaty way of doing this... < 1399909563 548638 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: good point. now it looks not only possible, but straightforward:) < 1399909897 314827 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best factorial is 78 bits < 1399910045 39461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the single-argument ackermann function is usually \n -> ack(n,n) < 1399910275 422499 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399910308 590201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 54 bits for \n m -> Ack(n,m); 58 for \n -> Ack(n,n) < 1399910343 949692 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399910371 116891 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? < 1399910376 188184 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blc < 1399910378 532041 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary lambda calculus < 1399910386 315026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1399910442 204602 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399910539 717137 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i even have something about goodstein and ackerman on my home page at http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/pearls.html#goodstein < 1399910705 489940 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399910714 106415 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399910806 388309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i frebled tromp < 1399911082 6738 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 bits for the Ackerman-like g i define there < 1399911124 455008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all this still non-recursive < 1399911138 301821 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399911174 550621 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt if the goodstein function can avoid recursion < 1399911298 372480 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :57 for factorial. < 1399911311 67914 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1399911403 654040 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399911443 344600 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is based on F cont succn facn = cont (succ succn) (succn * facn) < 1399911450 111521 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's yours based on? < 1399911584 48636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's \n\f. n (\f\n. n (f (succ n))) (\_. f) 1 ... it operates on f^k, where k is 1, n, n*(n-1), n*(n-1)*(n-2) etc. < 1399911680 180826 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. < 1399911689 321532 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399911696 639802 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point you might as well brute force it < 1399911758 251220 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399911914 63105 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ good link < 1399911958 624928 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399912459 851246 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Writing a BLC8 interpreter in Brainfuck, which would provide a matching upper bound in the other direction, is left as an exercise for die-hard Brainfuck programmers." ince < 1399912462 369259 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice* even < 1399912514 519680 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont expect anyone to ever take up that challenge:) < 1399912563 601316 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna be so horridly slow that you'd have trouble checking that it works < 1399912597 793731 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the direction i took is pretty efficient < 1399912645 839475 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2bf might be only a few patches away from being up to the task < 1399912688 507012 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is nearly as bad at memory management as brainfuck, however < 1399912729 564267 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it has pointers < 1399912768 293898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I disagree completely with that statement. < 1399912821 445059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Brainfuck you find yourself playing Hilbert's Hotel games all the time. That doesn't really happen in C. < 1399912906 386752 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :By C I mean the subset of C implemented by c2bf. < 1399912908 584701 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Oh I will put this data on cells divisible by 3, that data on cells with remainder 1 modulo 3, and the cells with remainder 2 modulo 3 will be mostly zero except for one or two bookmarks to guide my code") < 1399912924 455733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1399912951 25563 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should call it c2bf-C < 1399913079 955301 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, c2bf has a "heap" stride but there is no malloc. It'll probably need to be implemented using inline assembly manipulating the heap. < 1399913117 701625 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399913247 607398 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can view the tape as 2-dimensional, with the ith row being cells 1*2^i,3*2^i,5*2^i ... < 1399913288 702086 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i demand a hilbert space tapej < 1399913292 995166 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each successive row being twice as spread out < 1399913819 728056 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand a bf like language where +-,. are illegal on cells where |index| isn't prime . < 1399913914 802942 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why a bf derivative? < 1399913930 537217 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a bf derivative . < 1399913960 375703 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Doesn't have to be brainfuck < 1399913968 775867 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd wonder whether you could find your way to the next cell < 1399914074 579286 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of reachable cells is limited by the size of the program < 1399914124 592039 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1399914210 509616 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you find an algorithm that searches for the next valid cell < 1399914232 867469 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you get there if +-,. are illegal? < 1399914243 964401 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cannot, because it cannot mark the cells on the way to the next valid cell < 1399914259 263316 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't three-cell brainfuck turing-complete? so just use 235 for everything. < 1399914272 100192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that assumes unbounded cells < 1399914377 610658 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2,3,7,23,89,113 < 1399914378 306908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Increasing gaps between primes (lower end): primes p(k) where p(k+1)-p(k) ex... < 1399914462 110268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to prove that arbitrary long gaps in the sequence of primes exist, just use the CRT to find some n such that n, n+1, ..., n+k are divisible by the first k+1 primes, respectively. < 1399914650 839275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexy primes < 1399914699 52416 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399914869 737183 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\f ((p,g):ps) -> (p,g) : f (filter ((>g).snd) ps)) $ zipWith ((.)<$>(,)<*>subtract) <*> tail $ nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..] < 1399914873 489848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1399914900 945292 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ fix (\f ((p,g):ps) -> (p,g) : f (filter ((>g).snd) ps)) $ zipWith ((.)<$>(,)<*>subtract) <*> tail $ nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..] < 1399914904 887017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1399914926 499186 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ fix (\f ((p,g):ps) -> (p,g) : f (filter ((>g).snd) ps)) $ zipWith ((.)<$>(,)<*>subtract) <*> tail $ nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..] < 1399914928 163948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(2,1),(3,2),(7,4),(23,6),(89,8),(113,14),(523,18),(887,20),(1129,22),(1327,... < 1399915104 807991 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (text . printf "%.3f") $ zipWith (flip (/)) <*> tail $ [2,3,7,23,89,113,523,887,1129,1327,9551,15683,19609,31397,155921] < 1399915106 268739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.500,2.333,3.286,3.870,1.270,4.628,1.696,1.273,1.175,7.197,1.642,1.250,1.6... < 1399915216 420792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399915217 984653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06cercoin 13yourchiewucoin 04smocoin 07cottscoin 08oisorcoin 09ncommecoin 02apfcoin 06cutercoin 13petropricoin 04musissivcoin 07brazhdcoin 08varspncumercoin 09bisc-x86coin 02kitcoin 06bradablecoin 13wordfuctusioncoin 04ihaxcoin 07glassendseemeditegrofrcoin 08kirstecoin 09skullacoin < 1399915225 727253 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,3,4,5,23 < 1399915227 329004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Concatenation of the prime power factors (with maximal exponent) of n; a(1) ... < 1399915233 160219 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1399915241 865809 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,3,4,5,32 < 1399915243 520857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numbers that are the sum of at most 5 positive 5-th powers.[0,1,2,3,4,5,32,3... < 1399915244 355385 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1399915249 629250 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1399915260 785106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,3,4,5,35 < 1399915262 107806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Every base 6 digit of n is a base 10 digit of n.[1,2,3,4,5,35,123,154,215,33... < 1399915278 113745 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is almost silly < 1399915297 514757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the reason why people complain about "find the next number" puzzles < 1399915315 418791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3,1,3,3,7 < 1399915320 236111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2^A000120(n)-1.[0,1,1,3,1,3,3,7,1,3,3,7,3,7,7,15,1,3,3,7,3,7,7,15,3,7,7,15,7... < 1399915339 818784 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1, 2, 3, 4, 5, x" "x = 6!" "don't be silly, x = 35" < 1399915347 447774 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow very much 1337 < 1399915353 298690 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, why would x be 720? < 1399915358 611968 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,2,3,4,5,720 < 1399915359 763575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1399915363 266513 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew. < 1399915372 386120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 8,6,7,5,3,0,9 < 1399915373 685376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Decimal expansion of (7^(e - 1/e) - 9)*Pi^2, also known as Jenny's constant.... < 1399915375 408627 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's invent a sequence < 1399915434 543959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 14,23,28,33,42,51,59,68,77,86,96,103,110,116,125 < 1399915435 138967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numbered stops in Manhattan on the Lexington Avenue subway.[8,14,23,28,33,42... < 1399915437 266058 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399915445 434632 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399915448 666609 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what < 1399915449 448251 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good sequence < 1399915452 926665 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3,6,9,21,24,27,30,33,36,42 < 1399915453 664095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numbers n such that 2*n^2 + 1 is prime.[1,3,6,9,21,24,27,30,33,36,42,45,66,7... < 1399915519 499681 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead NICK :conehead < 1399915531 786751 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord "Za" < 1399915533 35799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [90,97] < 1399915544 59304 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 88,89,90,97,98,99 < 1399915544 534618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1399915556 696061 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1399915590 717465 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually surprised there isn't a sequence for [A-Za-z] < 1399915667 867208 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 53,54,55,57,58,63,64 < 1399915668 297363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1399915671 818401 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1399915693 789640 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it only lists infinite sequences < 1399915694 150638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 14,18,23,28,34,42 < 1399915694 950829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Local stops on New York City Broadway line (IRT #1) subway.[14,18,23,28,34,4... < 1399915713 100446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lexington avenue subway does not have an infinite number of stops < 1399915713 420852 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that does kind of contradicts the subway stuff < 1399915714 717223 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope "Numbered stops in Manhattan on Lexington Avenue subway" isn't infinite < 1399915722 930921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :space-filling subway < 1399915724 928451 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1399915768 111218 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a long ride, as they say < 1399915816 913288 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also the sequences that may or may not be infinite < 1399915832 173112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP1bvY7IqZY < 1399915903 443639 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2,3,5,7,13 < 1399915906 859076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mersenne exponents: primes p such that 2^p - 1 is prime. Then 2^p - 1 is cal... < 1399915984 14251 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,4,9,15 < 1399915986 183732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Triangle of Mahonian numbers T(n,k): coefficients in expansion of Product_{i... < 1399916055 571689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2,6,7,8,22,23,28,37 < 1399916056 214760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1399916060 925117 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2,5,7,8,22,23,28,37 < 1399916062 220901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numbers n such that 2*n^2 + 3 is prime.[0,1,2,5,7,8,22,23,28,37,40,43,47,50,... < 1399916078 703211 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must have a really large database < 1399916099 830399 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, it's been running for like a billion years too < 1399916124 795993 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"over 220000 sequences" < 1399916126 919884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. my brute force blc search only goes up to 38 bits (doing up to 1000 reductions on each term) < 1399916170 27770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(38 is as far as it gets within an hour) < 1399916192 36589 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399916233 370757 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free time on the local cluster? < 1399916236 562979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the predecessor function (with 0 -> 0) is another hard one. < 1399916247 415229 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zbshimtqinimfddj JOIN :#esoteric < 1399916280 578092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my best is 43 bits) < 1399916334 210564 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i got 43 bits as well < 1399916380 7474 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i now got pictures of both pred and fac on my office wall < 1399916438 725440 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1399916469 729861 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :about lambda diagrams http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/cl/diagrams.html < 1399916474 415874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary lambda calculus. again. still. I don't know. < 1399916659 982458 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 7,11,14,20,21,30,31 < 1399916660 647687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1399916716 410911 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1399916730 321274 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399916818 312614 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the K example < 1399916818 511198 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how many 38-bit blc programs are there? < 1399916839 664515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere up to 2^32 < 1399916870 875898 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought int-e tested 2^38 programs in one hour. < 1399916881 27110 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*38 < 1399916927 932420 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine a lot of them are invalid or don't terminate in a nasty way < 1399916928 80235 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 2, 1, 6, 5, 13, 14, 37, 44, 101, 134, 298, 431, 883 < 1399916928 512751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The number of closed lambda calculus terms of size n, where size(lambda x.M)... < 1399916948 4098 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/A114852 < 1399916973 189875 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :38071898 of size exactly 38 < 1399916985 413439 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, less than 2^32 < 1399916998 33016 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH less < 1399917044 598365 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i start getting it < 1399917055 356962 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, https://oeis.org/search?q=brainfuck&sort=&language=&go=Search < 1399917273 252158 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. 82811806 total. < 1399917273 671418 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I do have free time on a cluster < 1399917299 334376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :waste of resources, one should first write a faster evaluator. < 1399917346 107413 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399917461 47200 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultimate blc challenge is finding more bits of the halting probability omega < 1399917472 436920 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only managed the first 4 bits < 1399917490 711659 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires deciding halting behaviour of many programs < 1399917524 744124 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399917533 495098 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a finite number of omgae bits can ever be proven < 1399917551 394045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a fixed, consistent logic < 1399917576 672348 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, more can be proven in inconsistent logic:) < 1399917594 383737 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact such logic proves they're all < 1399917596 521660 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact such logic proves they're all 0 < 1399917609 221474 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also all 1 < 1399917617 606543 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: ooh < 1399917622 967440 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when that was posted to /r/haskell < 1399917789 737782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you say more about why only a finite number of bits can be proven? < 1399917820 945016 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a close analog of berry's paradox < 1399917851 486931 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you can enumerate theorems of the form K(x) >= n < 1399917877 981044 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that give lower bounds on Kolmogorov complexity of finite strings < 1399917893 455519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I wonder which is the "best" memo library on hackage. (I'm using memotrie but only because that's the first usable one I found) < 1399917898 604994 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. there is no blc program less than n bits that outputs x < 1399917941 792820 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can write a short program that enumerates such theorems until it finds one with n >= N, and outputs the corresponding x < 1399918002 781647 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would show K(x) < logN + O(1), a contradition for large enough N < 1399918030 98186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! neat < 1399918030 275708 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any consistent theory can only prove finitely many theorems of that form < 1399918070 630229 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument for bits of omega is a little more technical < 1399918100 280352 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, if you have the first n bits of omega, you can identify all x with K(x) <=n < 1399918116 357046 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus also an x with K() > n < 1399918271 360025 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like Data.MemoCombinators < 1399918388 748687 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i used that for the OEIS entry: https://oeis.org/A114852/a114852.hs.txt < 1399918454 9069 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also for April 2014's Ponder This problem, where i needed to memoize a function on a bounded list of Integers < 1399918470 949999 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, referring to memoization and dynamic programming asthe same thing... < 1399918533 844630 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm disappointed that Memo.integral means integers and not, somehow, integration < 1399918628 574864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newest band name: Gigabit Bonghit < 1399918653 23025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gigabit.bonghit < 1399918718 981468 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i clicked that, thinking it would lead somewhere < 1399918723 914291 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks again, ICANN < 1399918727 588832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't tell anymore < 1399918728 570887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399918738 573438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICANN has cheezburger < 1399918816 868062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes that confusion happens a lot. To be fair, memoization is a very common implementation strategy for dynamic programming. < 1399918889 488013 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure < 1399918923 269100 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelatedly, does anyone else think it's funny when fib is used as an example for recursion and memoization, since you can do it way better with linalg < 1399918957 345953 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: what I like about memotrie (possibly because I came up with the same design at some point) is the split memo = untrie . trie, where 'trie' and 'untrie' give you access to the actual data structure used for memoization. < 1399918990 377160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: (personally I call 'trie' 'populate' and 'untrie' 'loopkup', but that's just colors of a bikeshed) < 1399918997 179909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: everyone came up with the same design at the same time, or so i hear < 1399918999 624869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lookup < 1399919000 917844 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer salmon < 1399919031 710741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not everyone; plenty of memoization libraries revolve around 'memo'. < 1399919067 622861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :conal and luqui released their memoization libraries within hours of each other or something < 1399919111 68042 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --eng-1M 1000 | grep -o '\w*b' | sed 's/$/ong/' | sort | uniq | /usr/bin/paste -sd\ | head -n 20 < 1399919112 499218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bong hbong subong < 1399919133 573436 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words --esolangs 1000 | grep -o '\w*b' | sed 's/$/ong/' | sort | uniq | head -n 20 | /usr/bin/paste -sd\ | rainwords < 1399919134 566197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09bong < 1399919138 324609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think it's a fine exemple for introducing the memoization concept. You want people to think about the structure of the computation rather than the actual computed values. < 1399919161 73419 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure < 1399919172 426244 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for my understanding: in the K lambda diagram, one could have left out the upper half of the vertical bar? < 1399919186 637674 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1399919189 730088 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvmd < 1399919195 665242 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good example for recursion too, i just imagine a million programmers using these implementations in actual programs < 1399919223 127569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fortunately fibonacci numbers aren't all that useful in practice ;-) < 1399919241 120179 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude! i have to simulate fuckbunnies all the time < 1399919244 756350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the larger ones where the linear algebra starts to pay off. < 1399919254 706131 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But memofib is such algebraic, much compositional < 1399919345 954055 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike linear algebra < 1399919730 698238 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) mp < 1399919731 140216 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: |value error: mp < 1399919813 447137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) < 1399919814 991278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1399919816 814165 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399919873 876563 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is fix < 1399919884 710428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fixed point combinator < 1399919892 851064 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399919893 87047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix < 1399919893 965418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a < 1399919914 830220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix error < 1399919916 21168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Ex... < 1399919959 729634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, that one is getting old.) < 1399920030 945481 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix unsafeCoerce :: Int < 1399920032 146763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘unsafeCoerce’ < 1399920056 144462 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) mp =. +/ . * < 1399920056 768187 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: |ok < 1399920064 695296 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) <"2 mp^:(<10)~ 0 1,.1 1 < 1399920065 342335 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: +---+---+---+---+---+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ < 1399920065 489970 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: |0 1|1 1|1 2|2 3|3 5|5 8| 8 13|13 21|21 34|34 55| < 1399920065 490053 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: |1 1|1 2|2 3|3 5|5 8|8 13|13 21|21 34|34 55|55 89| < 1399920065 490091 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: +---+---+---+---+---+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+ < 1399920081 23332 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J <3 < 1399920150 973030 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course j, the language whose linenoisiness is only beated by teco < 1399920173 865895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's ASCII < 1399920179 626262 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is teco? it sounds like i want to learn it < 1399920179 773668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike APL < 1399920182 252537 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you really say that in the land of haskell oneliners........... < 1399920187 952139 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teco is the editor emacs is based on, or something < 1399920192 902058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs = editor macros (for teco) < 1399920199 480232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1399920211 193054 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :teco is like the esotericest esolang ever < 1399920224 505011 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :teco actually does not resemble emacs in normal use at all < 1399920225 990668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that it (emacs) wasn't based on Lisp at that time. < 1399920235 68029 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people used it seriously! < 1399920245 205372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used ed seriously < 1399920256 49669 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not as weird < 1399920259 387039 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep, it was basically a screen editor written in a scripting language for another editor < 1399920282 49631 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok. a clone that was implemented in lpmud) < 1399920309 940340 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399920367 603103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that's about the fragment of vi that I know to use. I use emacs for larger edits. < 1399920388 879194 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, emacs was written with an editor that was written in a language for a third editor? < 1399920397 794265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where s/vi/vim/ because I use the cursor keys) < 1399920438 975933 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, it run on the teco editor's scripting language < 1399920449 426546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did we end up discussing text editors anyway ... such a loaded topic is best avoided on programming channels. :) < 1399920491 460925 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are things to avoid. politics, religion and text editors (or is that part of the second one?) < 1399920504 190137 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the former < 1399920507 456709 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1399920525 670553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1399920545 253625 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came up because nortti mentioned it, like, five minutes ago < 1399920559 995122 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 mins, actually < 1399920587 372622 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/like/ < 1399920599 8298 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I do not < 1399920606 761099 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, thoughts on Unity? < 1399920615 287620 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DE? < 1399920617 264674 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to divert the channel to a less controversial topic < 1399920628 213852 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399920644 764017 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible. literally the antichrist, foretold in the holy texts < 1399920657 168655 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I used it (12.04?) it was still kinda buggy but I could see how they could make it usable < 1399920677 446570 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, I could more easily see how they could fuck it up completely < 1399920691 905793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not yet had the displeasure of using Unity, and I have no plans to change that. < 1399920702 651975 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usability doesn't matter. it's perfect and it's evil < 1399920713 993954 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it evil? < 1399920722 489895 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once its market share has increased the goat shall release the third seal < 1399920809 317636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, DDG ranks the game engine before the desktop environment. < 1399920927 515221 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably ranks gnomes before gnome as well < 1399920966 706250 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, gnome.org is the highest < 1399921186 603207 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am somewhat worried that I haven’t seen a serious project to provide a waylandish xmonad-alike yet. < 1399921202 285641 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, is xmonad that tied to x < 1399921222 785267 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, in wayland the wm itself also does display server < 1399921232 498869 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most WMs are < 1399921241 647625 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What nortti said. < 1399921302 846134 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders into how small space can be a complete wayland impl be fitted into < 1399921325 940461 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit worried about that too.. I've been meaning to try out wayland, but I've gotten too used to tiling window managers to be comfortable with weston < 1399921566 389471 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399922002 103500 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: g'evening < 1399922002 348435 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i didn't mention that. i think there's my name in for a bit more < 1399922136 88221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also why i'd have a hard time switching to OS X < 1399922140 640792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and the dismal state of package management < 1399922339 304125 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is why? because fungot didn't mention that? < 1399922339 600711 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: eck, not for efficient programming :) < 1399922344 915173 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1399922408 389863 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399922542 387440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps fungot will fix my makefile < 1399922542 637839 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm building off of esr's pronouncements is highly questionable. < 1399922585 444367 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399922641 333828 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1399922667 456905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirm < 1399923292 869811 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put quantum::superpositions in perl6 lol < 1399923309 127163 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399923314 723605 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-246.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399923321 136702 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that for the & and | (or whatever it was) operators? < 1399923330 74389 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1399923337 715526 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399923363 116781 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really understood them < 1399923422 992599 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :were those the ones detailed in the talk about perl and physics? < 1399923575 64006 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but they're explained in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl6#Junctions < 1399924063 261519 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399924109 717081 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399924197 742515 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399924595 755241 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399924747 349651 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399925081 465645 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399925251 354798 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399925776 397794 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399926110 795689 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399926371 509558 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399926371 657302 :ter2!~tertu@37.sub-174-238-224.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399926687 432365 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1399926914 358886 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-77-18.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399927011 430735 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-58-113.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399927741 354627 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399927754 252209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: would 0000101110110 = \\(0 2 1) ==> U(p,z) = <2,z> contribute to the halting probability or is it limited to closed terms? < 1399927858 155776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399927887 266387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impl<'sink, In, Out, Hold: TreeHandle, Sink: TreeSink> TreeBuilder<'sink, Sink> { < 1399927889 223090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1399927890 360017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B| < 1399927941 226722 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is that? < 1399927961 651877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mess. < 1399927969 526857 :ter2!~tertu@37.sub-174-238-224.myvzw.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399927978 661148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kmc making an esolang < 1399927997 684525 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think it's called "rust" < 1399928003 546637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends, is HTML parsing turing complete? < 1399928006 745442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not making Rust < 1399928008 859087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just using it < 1399928018 830183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have a few patches in rust < 1399928027 706293 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :See < 1399928034 84106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contributing to an esolang, then :P < 1399928038 188571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1399928043 89653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less eso than C++ < 1399928046 762722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: Oh. I see you're "only" requring the <_,z> context to be in normal form. that also answers my question then. < 1399928101 15170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I have 10 commits in rust, that's more than I thought < 1399928117 999313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :several of them are in code that no longer exists < 1399928118 744473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wild guess is that standard html parsing is not tc but that html-that's-actually-used parsing is. < 1399928123 577620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them are fixing the same thing that broke twice < 1399928131 553646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the idea of HTML5 is to unify those two things < 1399928179 6427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. < 1399928188 786541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably uncomputable, then. < 1399928209 632512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a precise spec for how to handle even very broken content, so that all browsers will do it the same way < 1399928222 771802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result it's stupifyingly complicated < 1399928382 745773 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec is really just taking the crazy way in which browsers have already been parsing broken HTML and formalizing it so that you can continue to write the same broken HTML in perpetuity. < 1399928405 879993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes and no < 1399928406 315294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yw < 1399928414 296824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it specifies which constructs are considered broken < 1399928423 211513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :conformance checkers will reject them, but their meaning is still specified < 1399928461 609583 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, the halting prob. definition is subtle. i believe the normal form requirement is necessary to allow identifying all programs that contribute to an omega prefix < 1399928478 332382 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399928497 947289 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's not really different than how it's been previously. The upshot is that it still renders. < 1399928567 156301 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE6 somehow manages to parse tag-soup mess into where an element could have a child whose parent isn't the first element < 1399928580 823164 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/into where/so that/ < 1399928592 171773 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to have U(p:z) = in there either < 1399928681 485010 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399928700 186563 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-tree DOM, right? Looking at the graphs for those was "fun." < 1399928726 159566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: Actually, why not? As long as it reaches that point without looking at the 'z' part ... hmm. Tricky. < 1399928761 642678 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: yeah, Hixie has some fun diagrams in an old blog post: http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1037910467&count=1 < 1399928793 249364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: Anyway it looks to me like you have no unique definition of \Omega. The BLC.pdf draft does not mention a normal form property at all, stating that you might just as well not have it. < 1399928802 396582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but i doubt if the goodstein function can avoid recursion <-- i wonder if the functions expressible in system F are the same as those that can be proved total in peano arithmetic, or something like that. < 1399928844 379337 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be able to prove the famous symmetry of information thm < 1399928847 901902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that excludes fix? < 1399928857 952403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes < 1399928867 120281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this purpose, at least < 1399928880 891057 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that paper has an obsolete definition:( < 1399928886 538326 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i shld update < 1399928913 493767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-tree DOM? :( < 1399928924 253798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why we can't have nice things < 1399928949 450015 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how the HTML5 algorithm would parse that example.. < 1399928957 841663 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Watching rugby < 1399928963 178043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but importantly, it includes church numerals. < 1399928969 622543 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove symmetry of information, you must be able to take any halting computation and see if the output is a pair starting with some given x < 1399928981 847300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> a) < 1399929007 203703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: anyway, as I read it, 'z' would be a symbolic variable (to prevent the program from inspecting the input beyond the "consumed" part), but then z is also a normal form, so U(p:z) = would be allowed. < 1399929174 524215 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, z is not in NF < 1399929199 688392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm no system F is stronger than that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-order_arithmetic#Definable_functions_of_second-order_arithmetic < 1399929200 755069 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NF should be closed terms < 1399929270 297832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works. < 1399929325 922159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-end.html#misnested-tags:-b-i-/b-/i < 1399929343 797087 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been meaning to rewrite that paper for ages:( always other stuff getting in the way < 1399929362 266822 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm preoccupied both with cuckoo cycle and 8x8 connect-4 :( < 1399929377 572757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing with connect 4? < 1399929384 883067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that standard? in first order term rewriting, free variables are everywhere (there's no way to bind them...)) < 1399929389 346754 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to solve it < 1399929421 36312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so variables as normal forms are also everywhere. < 1399929424 495163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in which player wins with optimal play? < 1399929441 862733 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, kmc < 1399929446 98411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :width 8 ... oh that would upset my intuition about the game a lot. < 1399929456 317121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you going about it? < 1399929467 715279 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should edit that article to make explicit what that i mean closed normal forms, int-e < 1399929516 443280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hm, that seems to match the Mozilla behaviour from 2002 < 1399929526 431872 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i have a solver that works some dozen plies into the game < 1399929537 267167 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should see http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/c4/c4.html < 1399929538 6556 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the element cloning is a bit bizarre, but it's invalid to begin with so I guess it doesn't matter too much < 1399929543 659245 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i need to play lots of games and build an opening library < 1399929595 188334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: the last link + the first parentheses in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem would seem to imply that the goodstein function _can_ be expressed in system F. < 1399929607 708822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that last link < 1399929754 165318 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "The Power of a Detour via Infinity", oerjan? < 1399929777 54210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean _my_ last link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-order_arithmetic#Definable_functions_of_second-order_arithmetic < 1399929838 450232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized my sentence was ambiguous and that's why i changed to "that" < 1399929882 808125 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how does definability in system F related to definability without recursion? is that equivalent? < 1399929895 827316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :system F has no recursion < 1399929912 424925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rank-N typed lambda calculus < 1399929999 875443 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. so i should be able to redefine my function g without using haskell's recursion < 1399930026 898205 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may not be pretty:-( < 1399930045 429758 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399930076 707608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: the church numeral thing should JUST WORK, if you give church numerals the right type (forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> a) < 1399930084 910538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd sort of expect you'd need to represent ordinals. < 1399930120 481509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, another property of system F is that you can _define_ church numerals as the terms of that type < 1399930161 209645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also works for church representations of many other data types < 1399930290 919456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the only system F terms of type forall a. a -> a -> a are the church booleans < 1399930367 377178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :system F is the original system with parametricity, and unlike haskell's version there are no subtle caveats for when it applies. < 1399930402 188623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which subtle caveats < 1399930407 840775 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottoms and seq < 1399930438 470562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let scow = seq < 1399930440 340137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1399930649 857892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://s.cow < 1399930665 251280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cow < 1399930692 307252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: btw if the implementation of g in system F depends heavily on higher rank types, then it's likely you may need explicit type annotations to make it compile as haskell. < 1399930709 387358 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399930714 885448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with ghc's rank-n extension) < 1399930757 425435 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-58-113.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399930784 752911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because haskell's type inference only infers rank-2 types with all foralls outermost. < 1399930796 345899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1399930827 73597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if that is considered rank-2 < 1399930862 849937 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399930868 599056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc doesn't infer rankine types hth < 1399930943 727549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 100 rankine -> kelvin < 1399930948 853180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "rankine". \ Warning: undefined symbol "rankine". \ Unconvertable expression: \ 100 rankine (undefined symbol) -> 1 K (temperature) < 1399930958 261538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1399930980 625841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently frink doesn't support them at all < 1399930985 92201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with explicit annotations < 1399930990 347905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1399931069 317960 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399931548 77642 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know about it. Is it actually used for anything? < 1399931554 256172 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a terrible scale < 1399931645 639486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of engineering in the US is still done with ye olde units < 1399931685 438128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if BART gauge is 1676 mm or 5'6" < 1399931802 234310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a difference of 400 microns < 1399931840 394724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 microns sounds much smaller than 0.1 mm < 1399931845 568290 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that less than the error caused by heat fluctuations? < 1399931846 391914 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399931851 618018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: probably < 1399931877 833098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's easy to prove that arbitrary long gaps in the sequence of primes exist, just use the CRT [...] <-- n! + i, i = 2..n hth < 1399932190 897721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1399932413 714444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm, no, I think it's about an order of magnitude larger < 1399932450 729638 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1399932457 805041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :steel expands by a factor of 13e-6 / °C; record temperature range in SF is 43 °C < 1399932484 86261 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's really scary is the age of my university is of the same order of magnitude as my age < 1399932496 62676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :top of a rail is about 7 cm < 1399932503 268129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399932513 788949 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399932518 353034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes out to about 40 microns < 1399932524 216917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7 * 43 * 13e-6 < 1399932525 530351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.913e-3 < 1399932533 741378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.01 * 7 * 43 * 13e-6 < 1399932535 259141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.913e-5 < 1399932604 919604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3.913e+1 < 1399932606 550704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: L.hs: removeLink: does not exist (No such file or directory) < 1399932610 26121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1399932703 437721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1399932718 361629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Munkkikorppikotka. < 1399932753 376981 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this reminds me that I don't know for certain why this happens. mueval copies that file to /tmp, but can several muevals run concurrently?) < 1399932837 447919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it copies L.hs to /tmp/L.hs? < 1399932891 71179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion#Examples_and_applications "Thermal expansion of long continuous sections of rail tracks is the driving force for rail buckling. This phenomenon resulted in 190 train derailments during 1998–2002 in the US alone." < 1399932916 786224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's buckling because it gets longer, not thicker < 1399932921 581764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sadly, yes. that's where it puts the temporary haskell file to be loaded, and it doesn't set an include path in ghci < 1399932940 269624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by ghci I mean ghc-as-a-library. < 1399933096 73566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I assume/hope that only one evaluation can be running at a time? < 1399933135 705025 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it lambdabot that copies the file and runs mueval on it, or is that in mueval? < 1399933137 436604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:10:06 mueval-core: L.hs: removeLink: does not exist (No such file or directory) <-- this is evidence to the contrary < 1399933144 878732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mueval < 1399933191 714212 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should probably create a temprary subdirectory in /tmp each time instead. < 1399933212 695498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to avoid this problem. oh well. < 1399933313 429808 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399933603 329378 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399934149 419210 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399934179 70781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :via agora http://www.loweringthebar.net/2014/05/sign-installer-cited.html < 1399934643 313048 :Eritzap!574032db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.50.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399934746 267647 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399934885 618800 :Eritzap!574032db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.64.50.219 QUIT :Client Quit < 1399935126 727970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's kumool < 1399935135 457997 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not part of here < 1399935178 803405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399935180 495737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13papacoin 04flumpezzycoin 07vergenigmationcoin 08dupcoin 09earenamcoin 02percoin 06regxcoin 13fullcoin 04adedcoin 07andomcoin 08carcoin 09closuricoin 02inctcoin 06funandcoin 13voltacoin 04bearecoin 07ozakcoin 08numpcoin 09brbcoin 02acrcoin < 1399935193 842375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've seen dupcoin before. < 1399935220 693639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wat? < 1399935225 432049 :nooodl!~nooodl@51.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399935240 945603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: might be a duplicate. < 1399935270 557910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have a hunch we'll see brbcoin again < 1399935300 293195 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: someone in tcl said < 1399935310 733016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wow Sgeo i find an interesting language and you are already in channel" < 1399935551 304006 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1399935565 794922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoooky < 1399935594 744408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you in all the language channels twh < 1399935619 482506 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I'm in a lot of them < 1399935704 517800 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399935739 949383 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1399935748 301586 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java, Prolog... actually, seem to be banned from ##prolog :(, Ada, Agda, Atomo, Atomy, Chicken, Clojure, Concatenative (Factor etc.), Dylan, Elixir, Erlang, Guile, Haskell and some associated channels, Idris, Lisp (CL), Pharo, Smalltalk, Racket, Red-lang, Retro, Scala, Scheme, Self-lang, sgeolang, Tcl < 1399935771 24011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get banned from ##prolog < 1399935772 517984 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha how do you get banned < 1399935785 436257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the ban message "No."? < 1399935817 685971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nah they just cut him off < 1399935824 99274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1399936245 159975 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Sgeo isn't in Forth, Oberon or Pascal :-P < 1399936306 893160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, a language channel that banned Sgeo? < 1399936316 835166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must investigate this < 1399936334 815992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :##prolog: ban *!*@*.dyn.optonline.net < 1399936345 708828 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1399936347 969060 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring. < 1399936358 882833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ehird 5* 10deleted "[[02Sngscsv10]]": content was: "todo" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Dggh|Dggh]]"); possibly spam? feel free to recreate when there's more content < 1399936363 458478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399936401 564495 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why block an entire ISP? :( < 1399936447 793593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet scow provider < 1399936584 781078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if there's an ip-changing troll from there... < 1399936619 402943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, i hear cloaks exist.) < 1399936644 333336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, do they help against that... < 1399936684 97033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1399937305 355578 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399937517 162911 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399937724 353632 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1399938567 74696 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399938589 660404 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399938958 605226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (ok. a clone that was implemented in lpmud) <-- ooh me to < 1399938969 181648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i learned lpc before real c < 1399938984 384107 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399939017 525525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lpmud ed may be the reason i ended up a vim user < 1399939180 475476 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399939988 694375 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399941353 884477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1399941478 449751 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399941856 394909 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399941958 697910 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399942052 347564 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399942052 494589 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399942234 802524 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399942266 401704 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399942431 357838 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399942975 701509 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399943145 438930 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399943165 698675 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399943181 751164 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399943299 293579 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399944734 827531 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399944827 597382 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399944827 745001 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399945308 967901 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399945332 246127 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399945599 245756 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399945658 266254 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399945778 245844 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399946258 244687 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399946455 218006 :atslash!~atslash@46.72.76.109 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1399946491 96814 :atslash!~atslash@playisland.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1399946802 498293 :atslash!~atslash@playisland.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1399946975 7303 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399947011 753019 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399947019 393934 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399947254 722471 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399948947 579447 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1399949293 659677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lpc < 1399949958 970154 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1399949975 34750 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitly is actually encouraging people to change passwords, right? < 1399949989 47821 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gmail filed the email under spam < 1399950044 388343 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notice is on bitly's actual site header, if you're paranoid. < 1399950067 828875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more worried about Gmail filing it under spam and thus possibly screwing people over < 1399950080 523926 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For anyone who might not check or believe their spam folder < 1399950105 203767 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to security notifications in the 21st century... < 1399950663 140232 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399950691 161298 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1399951708 463542 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1399951961 339319 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399952240 345048 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399952646 383365 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399952754 57112 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399952812 531580 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399953271 251156 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399953670 538147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The exclusive or of two different Gold codes from the same set is another Gold code in some phase." < 1399953720 893583 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1399953752 753933 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399953835 617490 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have codes? < 1399953851 937213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1399953907 883451 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My last name is Gold < 1399953953 808824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1399953994 723691 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399954135 864876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Randall Munroe: If you're going to reinvent the web, there's a high chance you're more likely to do it sanely than the current web < 1399954136 839113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's why, then < 1399954347 127607 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until someone figures out something else that they want to bolt on top and it gets broken again. < 1399954380 933525 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1399956794 480758 :password2!~password@197.78.168.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399956984 199183 :password2!~password@197.78.168.137 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1399957020 160402 :password2!~password@197.78.168.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399957653 160738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1399957654 653714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08bypacoin 09sodateditcoin 02poricoin 06treencoin 13singercoin 04bfccoin 07dateftcoin 08selfcoin 09bupercoin 02frizattcoin 06shercoin 13sallcoin 04bituffcoin 07reignencoin 08homocoin 09muecoin 02hcriecoin 06lammcoin 13prolanshakcoin 04varcoin < 1399959033 585622 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: today's wisdom, please < 1399959033 896456 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: and fnord only has guile, i proclaim it sucks. they fixed my favorite bug, or so < 1399959046 882623 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :very wise < 1399959238 822303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has wisdom now? < 1399959239 131159 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i just clicked on page 3 saying ' refer to diagram' which turns up quite a lot < 1399959271 566424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what they say, fungot < 1399959271 876539 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they're all secret pervs.) will that be the main proponents of lolcode, and neither riastradh nor i have lots < 1399959279 893722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1399959280 41355 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1399959331 719364 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a difference between site and side in english? as a german it confuses me pretty often < 1399959536 713149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the similarity? < 1399959538 44946 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :site in the 'website' sense? < 1399959563 722911 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're two etymologically different words that just happen to sound similar. < 1399959589 721364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised they're the same in swedish too, but from the unrelated sv:sida = en:page < 1399960325 615385 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both "seite" here < 1399960373 753841 :password2!~password@197.78.168.137 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399960646 289092 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399960790 947281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Websight. < 1399961003 325342 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google webside < 1399961005 541892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webside.co.in/ < 1399961005 689283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Creative, Search & Social | Connected Digital Marketing - WebSide < 1399961008 616514 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google websight < 1399961009 929417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.websightdesign.com/ < 1399961010 76079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: WebSight Design: Bay Area Web Design, Development & Hosting < 1399961015 425754 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google webseid < 1399961016 198688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/user/webseid < 1399961016 345944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: webseid - YouTube < 1399961055 475657 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google webseite < 1399961056 369503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webseite < 1399961056 516793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Webseite – Wikipedia < 1399961127 553685 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, Website /= Webseite.) < 1399961136 508520 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1399962136 900193 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1399963147 373794 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399965530 754009 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399965558 504202 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnet.com/news/ancient-d20-die-emerges-from-the-ashes-of-time/ < 1399965964 477062 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1399966269 333027 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399966271 828574 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1399966331 310964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1399967605 724100 :atslash!~atslash@128-74-191-31.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1399967906 300501 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody wants to reinvent the web? < 1399967931 126793 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just buy some copper wire and some routers < 1399967936 262844 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll make our own internet! < 1399967952 606070 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With blackjack < 1399967954 79561 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hookers < 1399968065 748277 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Russia say they were going to do approximately that? < 1399968097 357180 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used to have their own network back in the USSR days < 1399968108 357061 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in France we had the minitel~ < 1399968120 20737 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The earliest network for the public < 1399969620 223698 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399969729 717915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1399970091 943567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there yet a 2D language where you have to modell "data flow"? < 1399970098 28732 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to instruction flow < 1399970115 188896 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. data is stored on the 2D grid itself < 1399970159 65998 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without having a data pointer that points to some cell in the grid) < 1399970167 994765 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAs < 1399970178 235911 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd actually have to move data around. < 1399970193 254552 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Rube language? < 1399970215 110258 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wireworld is one that's actually designed to resemble circuits. < 1399970235 591623 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/9f6lWtqu < 1399970248 222643 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :DULR change directions of the data stream < 1399970260 702549 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dulr take data from their "opposite" point and send them < 1399970275 568593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. r takes the data from the cell to the left and sends it rightwards < 1399970285 238857 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it arrives at another data cell < 1399970315 710987 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the above code should calculate a=a+2*r, with a initialized to 2) < 1399970368 830370 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1399970397 42165 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/H1IXEaXj <- like that < 1399970404 707918 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, circuit layouts are 2D computer languages < 1399970406 238253 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no interpreter yet. Just sketched out some things in my hand < 1399970428 244038 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result from the addition is moved to the 0 above the * < 1399970469 640690 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yead. < 1399970472 46317 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yeah < 1399970483 178804 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d computer languages with timing constraints ;) < 1399970503 806565 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and space costraints too < 1399971233 972167 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399971294 475726 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399972283 887158 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zbshimtqinimfddj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1399972820 694306 :atslash!~atslash@128-74-191-31.broadband.corbina.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399973213 729626 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if I ever beat all the Rubicon levels < 1399973230 739656 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever the java-applet game based on RUBE was called < 1399973344 777874 :atslash!~atslash@128-74-191-31.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1399974007 262484 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399974034 545960 :atslash!~atslash@128-74-191-31.broadband.corbina.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1399974309 247890 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1399974309 433381 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1399974731 762898 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399975868 157601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399975967 91259 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399976246 108421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1399976904 304516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc what's lpc <-- the interpreted C-like OO language in which lpmuds are mostly programmed. < 1399976904 451949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1399976926 756480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPC_(programming_language) < 1399976956 30922 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Chaos_magic_ritual_involving_videoconferencing.JPG wat < 1399977276 462819 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399978125 280093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.cnet.com/news/ancient-d20-die-emerges-from-the-ashes-of-time/ <-- argh _two_ tall, space-stealing bars < 1399978155 114500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+hovering < 1399978255 677248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am mystified that web designers don't understand how annoying that is on laptop screens < 1399978286 963572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, many probably do, which is why i don't see it _everywhere_) < 1399978386 572219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've actually been criticised for /not/ doing that on a website < 1399978394 627776 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when are laptop screens considered different from others? < 1399978399 596797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to post a rant about how that should be a client-side setting, not a server-side setting < 1399978406 288423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't, because I didn't think anyone would care < 1399978410 592351 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399978419 644923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: they are wider than they are (not very) tall < 1399978433 23576 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends < 1399978438 380986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mine is. < 1399978705 166974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be connected to my absent-minded-ness; when things disappear off screen too fast i forget the context of what i'm reading. < 1399978738 407572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go into ocpd up-down arrow mode. < 1399978788 369816 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399978796 119463 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good day < 1399978808 2087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :add to that that i've started to zoom text to strain my eyes less... < 1399978824 325235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1399978831 517031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!welcome Darkgamma < 1399978848 529088 :atslash!~atslash@95.80.109.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399978850 374887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that would be the day the bot is gone. < 1399978857 220061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BOT MISSING < 1399978862 865741 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Darkgamma < 1399978863 453535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found < 1399978867 316394 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1399978873 54132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor is of course always missing) < 1399978879 56242 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the welcomes are dead! < 1399978881 758189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: all the welcomes got deleted a while ago < 1399978885 373465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bother. just a minute... < 1399978892 782776 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my first time here o: < 1399978893 544349 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: weren't some restored? < 1399978896 118064 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes < 1399978900 786564 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything. < 1399978904 455380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darkgamma: Welcome to the international channel for esolang discussion, development and deployment! Our wiki is available at http://esolangs.org. < 1399978913 199940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, gah, remembering the welcome message is hard < 1399978926 627200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the first sentence, that was in the topic for /years/, in various variations < 1399978929 104802 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I'm aware of the wiki < 1399978930 173810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 4539 < 1399978931 966291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file welcome \ patching file r13elcome \ patching file relcome \ patching file rwelcome \ patching file welcome \ patching file welcome13 < 1399978937 159723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Darkgamma < 1399978937 652497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: relcome: not found < 1399978941 605241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1399978948 83676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, undo is also broken :( < 1399978949 490618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1399978950 94677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ r13elcome \ relcome \ rwelcome \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ welcome \ welcome \ welcome13 \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wi < 1399978961 330492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are the welcomes in the root dir, not bin? < 1399978966 897228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv *elcom* bin < 1399978968 284967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399978974 631952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I preferred it when this channel was about esolangs < 1399978977 583413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because `undo is broken < 1399978978 566097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than about the welcomebot < 1399978982 696825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Darkgamma < 1399978983 348733 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/relcome: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/relcome: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1399978987 842662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck < 1399978990 145660 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1399978997 988019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/*elcom* < 1399978998 755901 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you're having fun >_> < 1399978999 501602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1399979001 827139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Darkgamma < 1399979002 603673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.) < 1399979005 112898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1399979008 517025 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399979009 296183 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo :D < 1399979033 803390 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1399979038 219459 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the balance of the Universe was Restored. now I can go to work. < 1399979049 686280 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: don't ask about the chickens. < 1399979100 293963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually had an esolang idea a couple of days ago < 1399979111 745825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on a program, and writing a bunch of comments to explain why it was doing things < 1399979115 75543 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the link's bad (Main_Page>) < 1399979125 533345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darkgamma: that's to do with your client < 1399979129 286906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC doesn't have a link syntax < 1399979135 500776 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sorry for interrupting < 1399979136 878656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the client tries to parse the link, and some of them get it wrong < 1399979139 316818 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh ok) < 1399979147 761360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK, you can have a bunch of conversations in parallel in IRC < 1399979160 344412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after a while you get used to having a bunch of conversations in parallel, sometimes in the same channel, or the same people, or even both < 1399979195 667220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the standard rule is that the source code should say the "what", but it doesn't say the "why", so you need comments to explain it to other developers < 1399979204 377237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my idea was: why don't we explain why the code is doing what it does to the computer? < 1399979229 189493 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean < 1399979234 80881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if we have an explanation saying "we're doing this so that foo", and it doesn't cause foo, we get a warning or an error < 1399979244 337036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I got a little stuck trying to figure out how you explain a reason to a computer < 1399979247 104193 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what bars? < 1399979255 757135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, i thought the whole point of enclosing the link in <> was to _decrease_ the chance of clients parsing it wrong < 1399979256 676396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current idea is that you make statements about the future < 1399979272 453601 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing really disturbing me is that scrolling on that website is laggy < 1399979281 484544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: blame the qwebirc people, I guess < 1399979287 397990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: let me guess, you don't see them because no enable javascript? < 1399979292 443901 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like INTERCAL's go-from? < 1399979296 175815 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more elaborate? < 1399979305 711279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darkgamma: it's not really like COME FROM < 1399979312 588360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like, you make a prediction about the future < 1399979315 953011 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come-from, my bad < 1399979321 306690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler tries to prove it, if it can, great < 1399979322 359491 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have IE with JavaScript enabled < 1399979327 900846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can find a counterexample, the program errors out < 1399979338 873913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can't do either, it puts in runtime checks, and complains if the statement ever appears to be false < 1399979391 974147 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399979396 846716 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a wide screen < 1399979402 267662 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you think of doing it < 1399979405 866924 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1900 times something I guess < 1399979412 167638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever love; while (love) {} < 1399979420 877309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darkgamma: I don't, really, it's quite a new idea, and one that might not ever be properly fleshed out < 1399979421 601720 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'd surf with 800x600 things'd probably look different < 1399979425 87938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have enough vaporware languages already < 1399979425 254619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: they are bars on _top_ and _bottom_ < 1399979441 832759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i surf with non-maximized window + zoom < 1399979445 289141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but innovative esolang ideas are rare, so I like to share them with the channel in case they inspire other people < 1399979455 111457 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the menu bar? < 1399979482 738425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you are looking at http://www.cnet.com/news/ancient-d20-die-emerges-from-the-ashes-of-time/ right? < 1399979488 819686 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah. < 1399979491 801745 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I don't know how it'd end up compiled but doing it in an interpreter seems not extremely difficult < 1399979499 185940 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you refering to the ad bar below the menu bar? < 1399979531 485752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darkgamma: yeah, if you're merely making statements like "I do this so that there won't be a divide by zero exception" < 1399979535 981031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's a divide by zero exception < 1399979539 443389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that line of code probably isn't doing its job < 1399979551 324158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I surf with a non-maximized window with 200% zoom those bars take almost 90% of the window < 1399979551 976107 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1399979582 163776 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with normal window size and 100% zoom it doesn't disturb me at all < 1399979589 430138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: menu at top, menu at bottom. except ... it's suddenly stopped doing that D: < 1399979600 180837 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site is still laggy when scrolling < 1399979612 55123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's just the one hovering on top < 1399979620 152170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while ago it was only bottom. < 1399979628 977754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess the site is just screwy. < 1399979636 99458 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hate websites that hide the scrollbar on the right < 1399979642 905284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I supposed to scroll then < 1399979659 772685 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. arrow keys < 1399979661 78444 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1399979661 886395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll wheel < 1399979681 425833 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like scrolling with the left mouse button < 1399979708 352538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you reinventing design by contract? < 1399979717 260156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not exactly < 1399979724 75941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a difference between a precondition/postcondition, and a reason < 1399979734 702971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort-of inventing asserts, except time-displaced < 1399979742 841707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the innovation isn't assert(foo); < 1399979766 21780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but assert(foo will be 5 even after unrelated function X returns); < 1399979821 644452 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1399979848 185359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hm normally on sites with hidden scrollbar it reappears when i move the pointer < 1399979854 225713 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you assert that foo will be 5 after a specific function or after any general function < 1399979861 808164 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ais523 < 1399979861 955438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1399979868 794681 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ ais523 < 1399979876 766677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1399979877 393225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1399979890 787613 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :letting websites style the scrollbar was a dump idea anyway *i think* < 1399979895 85781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the wisdom database isn't particularly elucidating, really < 1399979905 892150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darkgamma: we don < 1399979917 233599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they can style the "back" and "forward" button in HTML5 < 1399979923 132800 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would make _so much_ sense < 1399979926 136587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t use @nick addressing here, and lambdabot keeps us honest < 1399979947 562715 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1399979998 11111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's just what an alien would say < 1399980013 5772 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't get why browsers don't display a scrollbar on pages where you wouldn't need to scroll < 1399980019 781882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it makes the window some pixels wider < 1399980027 859375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when there's enough content, the window is suddenly smaller < 1399980044 873885 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and designers freak out because now everything is a little bit displaced when you compare it to a page with less content < 1399980049 386454 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they do stupid things to fix that < 1399980063 562608 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like inline scrollbars and shitt < 1399980065 674253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an extraneous "don't" in that first sentence < 1399980067 623904 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even worse < 1399980076 839371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript emulated scrolling or whatever it's called < 1399980081 112285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: can't you just do overflow-y:scroll, or whatever it is? < 1399980093 74570 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can < 1399980109 296524 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you have a scroll bar sort of in the webpage itself < 1399980172 231462 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing you can do is have your menu bars "fixed" < 1399980176 373848 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't move while scrolling < 1399980187 976037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"broken" < 1399980199 225030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then make some dummy div to extend the webpage to 101% height so that a scrollbar on the right is always there < 1399980256 607901 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some quirks I'm pretty sure are just done to be able to place more ads . < 1399980317 259803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly imagines a web browser which is made for ignoring all that enterprisey stuff. it'll be called Lenin, and its tagline should be "Because capitalists should not control the Web." < 1399980355 654819 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/05/12/2013236/lectures-arent-just-boring-theyre-ineffective-too-study-finds o_O < 1399980364 137441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably be judged illegal in the US if anyone tried that, though. < 1399980425 793446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: are you actually surprised at this finding tdnh < 1399980432 569709 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1399980436 827591 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't listen to lecturers < 1399980444 228896 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't like to participate < 1399980462 343957 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sit in class for the sake of being physically present < 1399980477 895170 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I've almost stopped even that < 1399980483 893855 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like they're teaching anything new < 1399980505 668283 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far this semester I've only had As < 1399980508 129465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i offer "teaching methods that teach all people identically aren't effective", then? < 1399980537 93224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm afraid i have no evidence, only foaming prejudice) < 1399980545 940044 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Exam about Lisp, Prolog, Java Bytecode and Functional Programming < 1399980570 133478 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :One question just had some Java Bytecode and you had to interpret it like a freaking jvm < 1399980594 797493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: surely they're effective for some subset of people, and ineffective for others? < 1399980618 864829 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the teachers assume I can't read java bytecode specs < 1399980624 43734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know when I was teaching, the normal aim was to find some method that would work for a decent proportion, then find some method that would work on a decent proportion of the remainders, and so on < 1399980702 148655 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped learning for exams that are open book < 1399980712 335451 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not necessary < 1399980736 415313 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably ought to learn this term's calculus at some point < 1399980750 778881 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just print out spec and cheat sheets and I'm done learning < 1399980753 374995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: my guess is, perhaps it will be later on, but maybe not at the current level < 1399980761 591019 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read the specs on the fly during the exam and I'm good < 1399980770 244033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, some exams are "you have to spend a bunch of time trying to figure out wtf the examiner is thinking" < 1399980771 919771 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm in my last semester < 1399980776 889771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you're not trying to learn the subject < 1399980777 344088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go out of your way to learn things just so you don't forget how < 1399980784 376620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're trying to learn how to comprehend the particular lecturer < 1399980794 507440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the problem is if you need the things you're supposed to have learned as a basis for your next level of courses. < 1399980796 720471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, learning to work from spec sheets is a pretty useful skill < 1399980801 353447 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: social engineering is an important skill ;) < 1399980812 861996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be more important in math than in computing, i dunno. < 1399980828 591888 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah. That's only important in math classes < 1399980856 923162 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the good thing about that is that different people from different backgrounds can choose the same lecture/class/course < 1399980875 249888 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can't assume you know things because not everybody has had the same classes as you up to this point < 1399980887 282831 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially you don't need to know anything about what last semester happened < 1399980916 401139 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So essentially they are proscribed from teaching anything in depth < 1399980918 404417 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even for prerequisites? < 1399980920 209951 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds p. good < 1399980931 710457 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "current level"... They assume I don't know anything about functional programming < 1399980945 207178 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a correct assumption for 99.9% of all students < 1399980953 213285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people in #esoteric don't know anything about functional programming < 1399980958 966543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to not pick up at least some Haskell if you idle here < 1399980962 945746 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of their assumptions just don't apply to somebody like me < 1399980980 974525 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started programming at age 12 < 1399980993 317718 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the second-year compilers module here uses Haskell for parsing, but doesn't really teach it beyond "here's do notation and parsec. Write a parser" < 1399980996 125669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew haskell before I was 18 < 1399981012 694685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know Haskell before I was 18, but it wasn't very mainstream back then < 1399981019 189984 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And someone wrote idiomatic Haskell in Applicative style. < 1399981037 44247 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: most things with parsec can be done by try and <|> anyway ;) < 1399981044 916586 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person marking/evaluating/whatever it looked at it and nodded, confused < 1399981050 727041 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of oneOf, many1, string, char < 1399981062 923042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I've seen people try to mark things wrong because they don't understand them :-( < 1399981065 195931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite rarely, though < 1399981075 476973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell didn't exist when i was 18 hth < 1399981084 922083 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the marker had to say "I'm going to have to trust you on this one" < 1399981097 325247 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why are you ending every single sentence with hth < 1399981098 900884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, when I was 18 I knew lens < 1399981110 664106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there have been cases where people had to ask me to check them < 1399981113 575321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, it's Norwegian for the full stop < 1399981136 157230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it's probably my inner seething anger seeping out < 1399981151 672462 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh < 1399981211 161163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my 18th birthday, lens-3.1 was a thing < 1399981225 46966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you all feel old < 1399981411 844940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: also, your admonishment gets somewhat weakened by my quick checking finding _no_ other instance of hth since i joined the channel (although one tdnh). i may have missed one but still... < 1399981571 119719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whacks Taneb with his cane =======Ø < 1399981574 880520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1399981792 65729 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joining in on dead discussion) < 1399981808 610042 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a clue about Haskell except that it's a functional prog. language < 1399981808 977202 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was uhm < 1399981809 805346 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1399981810 130295 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1399981813 287430 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic? < 1399981816 354113 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :statement? < 1399981817 141164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH < 1399981821 747732 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah a bit) < 1399981823 795764 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not every single sentence < 1399981834 767475 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just appears like you use it often < 1399981866 176845 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so often that my mind replaces your nick with "they who uses hth at the end of sentences" < 1399981873 132045 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea what hth is btw < 1399981879 866956 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1399981880 616156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1399981895 435830 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? twh < 1399981896 140765 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. hand. < 1399981929 942401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..] < 1399981931 541771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: L.hs: removeLink: does not exist (No such file or directory) < 1399981935 546667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy(((>1).).gcd)[2..] < 1399981937 470183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,... < 1399981941 612416 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1399981951 14406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darkgamma: haskell hth ^ < 1399981996 411787 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1399982051 275813 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!!3)<$>transpose[show$foldr(\k a->2*10^2^n+a*k`div`(2*k+1))0[1..2^n]|n<-[0..]] < 1399982054 511467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "314159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628... < 1399982095 560532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that using plouffe's algorithm < 1399982174 29967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix((0:).scanl(+)1) < 1399982175 600714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1399982197 900232 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy o: < 1399982204 425221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should cover the obligatory par for the course < 1399982240 802333 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically < 1399982246 19478 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last snippet < 1399982266 57315 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts zero, then adds one, then adds the last two < 1399982270 651218 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving the fibonacci sequence < 1399982344 116013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of, although in a bit roundabout way < 1399982365 736118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fib = 0:1:zipWith(+) fib (tail fib) in fib -- less obscurely < 1399982367 100980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1399982374 680687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/YKdM hth < 1399982400 446592 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :twvh < 1399982415 814269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow this changes EVERYTHING < 1399982422 90324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i'm not even on TOP hth < 1399982436 823182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the distribution looked very different some months back. < 1399982438 267103 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1399982452 587202 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, sql? < 1399982498 402428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to start telling me I should be nosql webscale etc etc < 1399982503 842796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: we're all living inside a fizzie-maintained database < 1399982535 336919 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you can't be webscale because this is irc. < 1399982584 861538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If it helps any, you're still the tops in terms of absolute hth http://sprunge.us/hZjW hth < 1399982662 240540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, in fact, if we only look at 2014 http://sprunge.us/igXd hth hand < 1399982664 831533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1399982698 145038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did lambdabot get on third < 1399982704 133123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1399982749 881229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait probably through @messages-loud < 1399982753 383230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1399982768 841282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/bDKa like that < 1399982837 430925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPOSSIBLE < 1399983138 336093 :Darkgamma!d9108935@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.16.137.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399983507 562062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that oerjan still leads in terms of absolute numbers. < 1399983522 960524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :As fizzie said. < 1399983617 195882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let newtype Codensity f x = Codensity {runCodensity :: forall r. (x -> f r) -> f r) < 1399983617 381313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TypeOperators is not enabled < 1399983688 219703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let newtype Codensity f x = Codensity {runCodensity :: forall r. (x -> f r) -> f r } < 1399983688 367166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TypeOperators is not enabled < 1399983711 543224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why is that erring out (and no, there aren't any TypeOperators) < 1399983744 689707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it already has RankNTypes, which is the only thing ghci complains about < 1399983846 189753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. (forall y. y -> x) -> x) -> Int; f g = g (const 3) in f ($ undefined) < 1399983847 462765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘a0 -> x’ with ‘forall y. y -> x’ < 1399983847 610208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (forall y. y -> x) -> x < 1399983847 610292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (a0 -> x) -> x < 1399983858 552320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1399983891 81630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1399983906 612347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, such declarations are parsed twice, once by haskell-src-exts and then by ghc-as-a-library. I guess the first one fails < 1399983911 433695 :atslash!~atslash@95.80.109.83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399983931 230563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. (forall y. y -> x) -> x) -> Int; f g = g c3; c3 _ = 3 in f ($ undefined) < 1399983932 467092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least that's how I remember things) < 1399983932 614355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘a0 -> x’ with ‘forall y. y -> x’ < 1399983932 614446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (forall y. y -> x) -> x < 1399983932 614483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (a0 -> x) -> x < 1399983951 197326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may be doing this wrong. < 1399983973 695191 :atslash!~atslash@95.80.109.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399984020 837010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. (y -> x) -> x) -> Int; f g = g c3; c3 _ = 3 in f ($ undefined) < 1399984022 764790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1399984128 773734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. (forall y. y -> x) -> x) -> Int; f g = g (const 3); a x = x undefined in f a < 1399984129 904057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘t0 -> x’ with ‘forall y. y -> x’ < 1399984130 51571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (forall y. y -> x) -> x < 1399984130 51665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (t0 -> x) -> x < 1399984149 795816 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1399984188 32200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. (forall y. y -> x) -> x) -> Int; f g = g (const 3); a :: (forall x. (y -> x) -> x); a x = x undefined in f a < 1399984189 409345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type variable ‘y’ < 1399984204 826461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. (forall y. y -> x) -> x) -> Int; f g = g (const 3); a :: forall y. (forall x. (y -> x) -> x); a x = x undefined in f a < 1399984207 580063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘y0 -> x’ with ‘forall y. y -> x’ < 1399984207 727668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (forall y. y -> x) -> x < 1399984207 727755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (y0 -> x) -> x < 1399984214 366457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...whatever. < 1399984246 550933 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a has type (a -> b) -> b, which does not generalize to forall y. y -> x < 1399984337 92379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's supposed to generalize to forall x. (forall y. y -> x) -> x < 1399984361 345721 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1399984398 660292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh < 1399984404 82217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. but then you need a type annotation for a. < 1399984406 75616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: (forall x. (forall y. y -> x) -> x) -> Int; f g = g (const 3); a :: (forall y. y -> x) -> x; a x = x undefined in f a < 1399984407 483773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1399984427 34552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _was_ one. but i think i switched the foralls. < 1399984457 944011 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you added the one forall that Hindley-Milney adds automatically anyway. < 1399984495 488736 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1399984530 789156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let newtype Codensity f x = Codensity (forall r. (x -> f r) -> f r) < 1399984530 936785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TypeOperators is not enabled < 1399984613 672885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Language.Haskell.Exts> parseModule "newtype Codensity f x = Codensity (forall r. (x -> f r))" < 1399984616 704466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ParseFailed (SrcLoc {srcFilename = ".hs", srcLine = 1, srcColumn = 57}) "TypeOperators is not enabled" < 1399984652 890191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a different message from what ghci gives < 1399984672 770862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the one that you get from lambdabot < 1399984676 592039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1399984741 662980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a note < 1399984774 610308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as far as I understand, haskell-src-exts is used in order to improve error messages. clearly that doesn't work in this case.) < 1399984793 319915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, adding {-# LANGUAGE TypeOperators #-} to the beginning doesn't work. < 1399984807 356498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rand.Next()14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39508 5* 03Malltog 5* (+191) 10Created page with "== Turing completeness == Is this language really Turing-complete? Is it possible to achieve an [[arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point]], accounting for its reliance on rand..." < 1399984833 91971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. (look at 'define' in https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/blob/master/lambdabot-haskell-plugins/src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Haskell/Eval.hs ) < 1399984861 187488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contents of L.hs is not even taken into account at that point. < 1399984917 790617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i meant that parseModule "{-# LANGUAGE TypeOperators #-}\nnewtype Codensity f x = Codensity (forall r. (x -> f r))" doesn't work either < 1399984966 784328 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399985026 166905 :atslash!~atslash@95.80.109.83 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1399985044 599507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1399985206 758497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let {-# LANGUAGE Trustworthy #-} test = "hi" < 1399985206 945486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Parse error: test < 1399985222 756976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let {-# LANGUAGE Trustworthy #-}; test = "hi" < 1399985224 851009 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1399985230 339178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> test < 1399985231 867729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1399985257 691780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have misunderstood that code. < 1399985276 631094 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399985315 441382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let {-# LANGUAGE TemplateHaskell #-}; test2 = "hi again" < 1399985317 394767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1399985359 177162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data Test = Test { _hi :: Bool }; makeLenses ''Test < 1399985359 361504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Improper character constant or misplaced ' < 1399985365 800735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1399985398 208457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :parseModuleWithMode (defaultParseMode{ extensions=[EnableExtension TypeOperators] }) "" (RankNTypes works, too) < 1399985414 955194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work < 1399985458 941342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather ridiculous if that means it parses forall x . as an application of a type operator, though. < 1399985479 2414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. it does. < 1399985490 615165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1399985490 762634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1399985530 499904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnBangedTy (TyParen (TyInfix (TyApp (TyVar (Ident "forall")) (TyVar (Ident "r"))) (UnQual (Symbol ".")) (TyParen (TyFun (TyVar (Ident "x")) (TyApp (TyVar (Ident "f")) (TyVar (Ident "r")))))))]) < 1399985539 44126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely :) < 1399985586 625897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let fun :: (forall x. (forall y. y -> x) -> x) -> Int; fun g = g (const 3); awesome :: (forall y. y -> x) -> x; awesome x = x undefined < 1399985586 773143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TypeOperators is not enabled < 1399985603 290218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. so RankNTypes _don't_ work in @let at all, only in > < 1399985828 240776 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399985861 540281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. annoying, and probably not too hard to fix. not trivial though ---> maybe next weekend. < 1399985896 296251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1399985915 647867 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399986274 853143 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1399987063 645766 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1399987349 342952 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399987523 241000 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1399988078 248965 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399988419 220743 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1399988750 741096 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1399988870 157010 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, haskell-llvm-general-pure fails installing here ~~ < 1399988928 717721 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1399989572 472121 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1399989663 113150 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399990765 812621 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A428A9.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1399991274 686746 :atslash!~atslash@91.195.137.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399991537 872744 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1399992036 628734 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@gateway/shell/cadoth.net/x-ovwsyxcslafsdfvt JOIN :#esoteric < 1399992073 725341 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@gateway/shell/cadoth.net/x-ovwsyxcslafsdfvt QUIT :Changing host < 1399992073 954046 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h JOIN :#esoteric < 1399992133 790183 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :sign < 1399992142 458858 :atslash!~atslash@91.195.137.195 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1399992633 865991 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399993099 4581 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1399993176 935189 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1399993195 441388 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1399993373 136289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399993385 203218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399993401 745292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1399993558 403056 :atslash!~atslash@91.195.137.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399993624 282660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1399993761 730844 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought twh was "that won't help" < 1399994143 776810 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :idntimwytim < 1399994196 968159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy :) < 1399994219 682109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the ambiguity makes the abbreviation much more interesting. < 1399994279 44153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play Portal again. "Where are you going? I don't think you're going where you think you're going." < 1399994345 436898 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399994399 679222 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time is 139999439 < 1399994411 19162 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1399994399 even it was. < 1399994445 85813 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 1399994442 < 1399994446 603209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <[Char] -> [Char]> < 1399994452 991326 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 1399994450 "" < 1399994454 527178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "53723852" < 1399994566 108121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :% LC_ALL=C TZ=UTC date -d @1400000000 < 1399994568 113833 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue May 13 16:53:20 UTC 2014 < 1399994641 785715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date -ud @1400000000 < 1399994642 262603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue May 13 16:53:20 UTC 2014 < 1399994670 134203 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what is the n? < 1399994684 761454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not" < 1399994688 626513 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1399994701 716400 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to stop contracting those words, I guess < 1399994758 5951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :twnh < 1399994835 875808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 12345 "test?" < 1399994837 416373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3039test?" < 1399994842 338928 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1399994890 890227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix shows "" < 1399994892 724947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "<[Char] -> [Char]>" < 1399994900 42180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm crap < 1399994900 991375 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1399994904 308603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses seems to be linux only < 1399994921 860371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bsd? < 1399994926 565480 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unix < 1399994928 723905 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1399994934 571268 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't compile well on windows at least < 1399995024 951371 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> review hex 12345 < 1399995026 599464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3039" < 1399995042 155150 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-brdgkitthkuhcejw JOIN :#esoteric < 1399995300 529779 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1399995412 432677 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://levels.io/12-startups-12-months/ beautiful < 1399995842 670778 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix shows "" "" < 1399995844 10873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’ with ‘[GHC.Types.Char] -> t’ < 1399995844 158154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (GHC.Base.String -> [GHC.Types.Char] -> t) < 1399995844 158243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> GHC.Base.String -> [GHC.Types.Char] -> t < 1399995844 158280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (GHC.Base.String -> [GHC.Types.Char] -> t) < 1399995844 158315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> GHC.Show.ShowS < 1399995874 7275 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1399995877 185373 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1399995880 61554 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix shows "" < 1399995881 337333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "<[Char] -> [Char]>" < 1399995885 393202 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix shows "" < 1399995886 418811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :String < 1399995891 719083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1399995922 544466 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1399995925 598338 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I think for windows you want pdcurses < 1399996186 280701 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For windows you want cygwin and a stiff drink < 1399996230 751440 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or msys < 1399996302 282970 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for msys you'll need vodka. < 1399996623 206840 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399996816 906154 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For windows you want linux < 1399996882 636307 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1399997060 131912 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399997323 381571 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1399997615 535466 :atslash!~atslash@91.195.137.195 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1399997826 437873 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1399998279 346724 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1399998455 123161 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91FD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1399998455 270652 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91FD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1399998455 270720 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1399999391 138855 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1399999481 699586 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400000093 455491 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix time has passed 1400000000 < 1400000447 467154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of seconds since 1970 < 1400000556 509268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run date +%s < 1400000557 71342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1400000535 < 1400000568 845988 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :been listening to this for days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95jD5tMFjhs&list=PLBB7D6D0650A7FA4B < 1400000648 179695 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: There is some other library that does the curses interface on Windows FWIW. < 1400000713 987216 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1400000834 664837 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: With haskell bindings? < 1400000859 772141 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *im*possible, but not to my knowledge. < 1400000885 67794 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean pdcurses? < 1400001700 658788 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400001859 611682 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-110.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1400001946 932964 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-110.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1400001947 80117 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400001989 749693 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400002186 857745 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu2 < 1400002225 137802 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400002373 212600 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lunch < 1400002442 712595 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400002722 163422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stay inside my aura < 1400002722 595777 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i guess he was a masterful schemer? it has been verified that it indeed shall be 0 " if and only if 0 is even or odd number of elements in the list < 1400003239 743296 :atslash!~atslash@46.72.95.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400004205 749398 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: noli turbare circulos meos < 1400004206 30458 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what do you mean call-with-output-file there? the point was: " if loading it as text/ plain? < 1400004256 973253 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: how much answers have there been to the brainfuck survey < 1400004343 833867 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 < 1400004370 811939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far < 1400004432 116721 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cells should wrap-around, Memory should exand to the right, fatal error on leaving on the left side, re-return EOF, eof=0, non-command-chars as comments, textmode with newline translation < 1400004518 835532 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- majority results < 1400004530 698214 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400004648 958611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell values should be infinite, cell positions should be infinite (in both directions), input should be infinite, program length should be infinite < 1400004698 901964 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- minority opinion < 1400004798 999215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact cell values, position, input, and program should all be real numbers < 1400004817 375562 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1400004853 606843 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still holding out for a hilbert space tape. < 1400004894 349014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any kind of space tape for that matter < 1400005169 398754 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-106.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400005267 830500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a space elevator? < 1400005274 130457 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400005400 713812 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400005753 556468 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400005954 741319 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400006274 820906 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400006548 594771 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400007270 341617 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo < 1400007284 881284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every grammatically correct program must be of infinite length? < 1400007328 139204 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO(It's turing complete but no one will be able to write a program that parses) < 1400007356 702866 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, we have some programs that are grammatically incorrect but if we just ignore parse errors it runs fine < 1400007401 110055 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we could implement it using lazily generated program that is just NOPs after certain part < 1400007513 826290 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400007518 236042 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be like cheating < 1400007530 915834 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean sure < 1400007540 27880 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always ++ cycle NOP < 1400007561 415871 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ repeat NOP actually < 1400007569 834554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Happy megasecond 1400 | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1400007643 601310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should it just be "happy hectomegasecond" < 1400007889 314060 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hectomegasecond? < 1400007896 482851 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like 3000 years < 1400007996 721872 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :3000 beers? im down < 1400008114 182562 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400008152 630543 :nortti!~juhani@62-183-153-95.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400008152 793602 :nortti!~juhani@62-183-153-95.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1400008173 912677 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400008207 647663 :nortti_!~juhani@62-183-153-95.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400008417 306587 :nortti_!~juhani@62-183-153-95.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1400008457 284885 :nortti_!~juhani@62-183-153-95.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400008490 656751 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400008496 498403 :nortti_!~juhani@62-183-153-95.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :nortti < 1400008617 796450 :nortti!~juhani@62-183-153-95.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1400008729 482574 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400009444 344492 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400010103 836245 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400010153 781980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Zero14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39509&oldid=39472 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+152) 10/* Hello world! */ new section < 1400010232 87921 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400010277 142405 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400010340 388186 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400010404 118165 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400010495 86207 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400011538 325668 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400011659 442695 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this place active? < 1400011670 904849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is always active < 1400011671 156219 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i guess it's easier for the programmer. useful enough, in retrospect. did any of this < 1400011672 420603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400011699 666049 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1400011701 498061 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1400011713 806503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome tailcalled < 1400011714 584271 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1400011735 354549 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody know any function that is "just barely" uncomputable? < 1400011756 324121 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elaborate < 1400011766 789051 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you mean a semicomputable function, though < 1400011783 580053 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I made the language called Zero < 1400011801 303131 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I wanted to make an unimplementable language without extra power < 1400011809 655130 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the method feels kinda cheaty < 1400011850 603250 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was wondering if anyone happened to know an unusable uncomputable function < 1400011870 641791 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would a usable uncomputable function even be. < 1400011887 770535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :an oracle? < 1400011903 564012 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, solving the halting problem would be usable < 1400011908 897199 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, useful < 1400011915 694080 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usable = useful in my head < 1400011943 897011 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, well you can reduce uncomputable functions to the halting problem, or something. probably. < 1400011953 522305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random oracle is not very useful, unless you're doing cryptography :) < 1400011992 987296 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not every uncomputable function, I would assume < 1400011995 606011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people study relativization wrt a random oracle in complexity theory < 1400012007 621846 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assume. < 1400012013 862486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :P^A != NP^A with probability 1 for a random oracle A < 1400012017 477955 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-252-188.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400012028 236227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is also true for some classes that are actually known to be equal < 1400012088 438339 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, having an incompressible stream is less powerful than halting problem, correct? < 1400012110 456284 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to get out my copy of li and vitanyi but, for example, you can make a turing-complete computer out of diophantine equations < 1400012149 95818 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tailcalled: well the incompressible stream isn't uncomputable, is it? what's uncomputable is verifying that it's incompressible. < 1400012156 369552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ooh, should I read this book? < 1400012167 103923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This was the second-hardest book I ever read. Honestly, it took me years and years to get through it. I even had to buy a 2nd copy, because I kept getting frustrated and throwing the first copy across the room until it was destroyed. So yes, this book requires a substantial effort to read." < 1400012181 808482 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: having a program computing an iincompressible stream is a contradiction in itself < 1400012202 758686 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: because that program would be a compression of the stream < 1400012204 435265 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/21338563373/ran-helps-kaguya-learn-information-theory-just fiora-approved < 1400012226 495112 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: of course, the halting sequence is an example of an incompreessible stream < 1400012228 710233 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's good, though i can't endorse the bayes stuff near the end :V < 1400012230 570415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400012244 773057 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, just realized that I didn't specify that I meant infinite stream < 1400012244 920750 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1400012252 306384 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i got that. < 1400012269 39864 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1400012284 915992 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'm sure we all know that finite sequences are all computable. < 1400012288 123535 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream implies infinite. otherwise you'd have said string < 1400012292 432184 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400012292 623414 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that. < 1400012296 434106 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1400012302 194746 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes streams are finite < 1400012303 840082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tailcalled: if I write down a table for f(0), f(1), etc. and flip an ideal coin for each output, the resulting function is uncomputable, and useless < 1400012331 649278 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream is incompressible means all its prefixes are incompressible up to a constant < 1400012334 518448 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I would prefer a unique characterization < 1400012335 859432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can implement queries to this oracle in finite time, too < 1400012346 120586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting to think about why this doesn't violate the church-turing thesis < 1400012385 384851 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because there is a positive probability of any given prefix, including zeroes < 1400012409 479025 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although streams are incompressible with probability 1, there's only one known family of such streams, namely the halting probabilities < 1400012423 866321 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: is that so? < 1400012443 447459 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is the kind of book that literally sticks open problems in its exercises" hehe.. < 1400012471 293971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's fun. like taocp or... ok i'm blanking < 1400012479 738943 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually uses the system from taocp, i think. < 1400012479 989938 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so. i don't know how else to define a stream that is provably nicompressible < 1400012520 831449 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: are there no uncomputable problems that are easier than the halting problem? < 1400012545 164003 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier in what sense? < 1400012567 241848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier in that an oracle for the problem doesn't give you a halting oracle? < 1400012575 9729 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having an oracle for them does not give you halting, yes. < 1400012596 600367 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i'd call easier < 1400012600 110120 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder about BusyBeaver(x)%2 < 1400012608 340245 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_degree, yes? < 1400012608 968112 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: what would you call easier? < 1400012620 335660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's in general a partial order < 1400012638 660704 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there are infinite degrees between 0 and 0', or whatever < 1400012644 886177 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're only pordered < 1400012646 650683 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of a well defined class in between recursive and recursively enumerable < 1400012650 523770 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial shmartial < 1400012706 978690 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like there should be such a class < 1400012728 752556 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random stream doesnt give you a halting oracle < 1400012738 500616 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that cant be called easier:( < 1400012749 447982 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like introducing stochasticity is just going to confuse things. or perhaps only confuse me. < 1400012754 200691 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: can you give me an example of a random stream which doesn't give the halting oracle? ;) < 1400012775 33537 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6,6,6,6,6,6,6, < 1400012786 2210 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant a full example :P < 1400012789 539796 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400012804 531741 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1400012851 220467 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, i should also mention the book is pretty esolangy and constructive. they spend a lot of time setting up an explicit turing machine encoding (prefix-free of SKI) and making bitmaps of programs and shit < 1400012868 911990 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i cannot explicitly define one that's provably so < 1400012888 416485 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i claim that with prob. 1 a random one has that property < 1400012916 425417 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, can you prove that? < 1400012930 606254 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I would prefer not doing random stuff < 1400012944 730427 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not without doing some literature search < 1400012982 251003 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, that's what i contributed to the book before i invented blc < 1400012992 952950 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was still dablling with combinatory logic then < 1400013045 116065 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paul Vitanyi was my supervisor btw < 1400013060 499290 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if one can exploit rice's theorem in this... < 1400013106 762049 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not... < 1400013332 294215 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe one could use uncomputable functions to make a unusable uncomputable function < 1400013350 46809 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. let H be the halting function and BB be busy beaver < 1400013361 959633 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and G be graham's number, for good measure < 1400013386 30229 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would x -> H(BB(BB(BB(x+G)))) be useful? :P < 1400013398 427649 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my proposal for one would be the xor of two halting probabilities < 1400013402 830922 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, derp < 1400013407 115172 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg one for blc with one for bf < 1400013418 83899 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no, it works fine, mine, that is < 1400013424 782980 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought I realized a mistake < 1400013455 510156 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems unusable to me < 1400013460 734656 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's well defined and almost certainly uncomputable and useless:) < 1400013471 994353 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400013533 266828 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1400013533 413997 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively you could take the halting probability of the universal BLC machine equipped with a halting oracle < 1400013539 18848 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400013555 46626 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not immediately obvious how to prove my function is uncomputable < 1400013575 648203 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. the next level halting prob < 1400013602 166309 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically, making unusable uncomputable functions by increasing the uncomputability < 1400013602 769201 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400013629 384380 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1400013634 760501 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think yours would work < 1400013640 833523 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's why i objected to calling such things easy < 1400013681 633853 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's easy because it can be faked < 1400013691 552137 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it can't < 1400013698 682612 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the hard ones can < 1400013727 850426 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the hard easy problems are easy because they are fakable; the easy easy problems are easy because they are easier than halting < 1400013757 820518 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't one compute ordinary halting probability from BLC+HO halting probability? < 1400013761 378863 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling my ISP is making my internet connection slower after 10 o'clock < 1400013811 112341 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :muuuuuuch slower < 1400013818 332965 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yay" < 1400013820 656750 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do some experiments with downloading big things over the 10 o'clock mark and observing the download speed? < 1400013834 96224 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, tailcalled, you cannot simulate the oracle BLC computations that accumulate to that HO haltingprobability < 1400013845 261836 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alternatively read the user agreement for the ISP < 1400013848 21785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you think it's deliberate, and not just that demand increases a lot? < 1400013863 429243 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't know. < 1400013865 45209 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: but the halting probability is essentially the halting sequence < 1400013872 872248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that streaming movies is impossible after 10 o'clock < 1400013884 523578 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the most compressed form < 1400013892 130283 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: and there is a computable function that assigns LC terms to OBLC terms, right? < 1400013920 887859 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with equivalent behaviour < 1400013949 656571 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oracle could be a negative de bruijn index < 1400013991 942240 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an extra argument < 1400013996 489998 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1400014009 356239 :Slereah!~jackal@bau91-h01-176-189-82-82.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1400014015 548910 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could always take a normal LC term and convert it to an OBLC term by ignoring the oracle < 1400014032 352221 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure; they're identical in the first case < 1400014032 630644 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the halting probability let's you check if a program halts, correct? < 1400014047 930375 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400014076 613040 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let |x| denote the conversion of LC to OBLC, HOBLC the halting function for OBLC < 1400014086 963260 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLC(x) = HOBLC(|x|) < 1400014098 39314 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where HLC is halting function for lambda calculus < 1400014127 730501 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1400014140 358329 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea < 1400014150 712249 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if one took the busy beaver sequence < 1400014160 820659 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only makes it explorable in a limited way < 1400014169 431598 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially < 1400014177 61208 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a counter C < 1400014203 94698 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a command B(x) which increments C and takes the xth bit of the Cth busy beaver number < 1400014208 108018 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for halting functions, the HO case subsumes the plain case < 1400014217 528985 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for halting probabilities < 1400014249 911240 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a BLC machine can extract the halting sequence from the halting probability < 1400014252 444890 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you agree that halting probabilities could be used to find the halting problem? < 1400014256 292579 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*function < 1400014275 635832 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need an OBLC to do the same for oracle halting prob < 1400014281 990097 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you... do? < 1400014302 742279 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's this halting prob. we're talking about, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_probability < 1400014313 357931 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, since it involves doing infinitely many simulations accumulating probabilities < 1400014350 80960 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400014362 558298 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not fast enough to stream 40m of film in 40m < 1400014364 497422 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should read Chaitin's papers on why Omega is "the number of wisdom" < 1400014377 979450 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how are you able to observe the halting probability? arbitrary approximation? bit-indexing? what is it? < 1400014389 2395 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it takes longer than n minutes to download n minutes of film you can't stream it < 1400014397 457577 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sorta the streaming lemma < 1400014409 349199 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you can < 1400014418 167442 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, if it takes n minutes + 1 second < 1400014420 73768 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be your input stream, or an oracle stream of bits < 1400014425 970934 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could download a tiny bit < 1400014453 208337 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define machine to compute from infinite input to infinite output < 1400014458 676543 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the distance between the part you've dl'ed to and the part you've watched to might not reach zero before the film is over < 1400014471 273397 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tailcalled: I know < 1400014488 928099 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: but in that case < 1400014498 454462 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but currently it looks like it's 1.5*n < 1400014505 434931 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: the halting probability is represented as a bit-sequence < 1400014517 670529 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1400014538 407472 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i computed the first 4 bits for blc halting prob < 1400014541 145433 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: and by the definition of how the halting probability is, the 1 bits are exactly where the codes for machines that halt are < 1400014551 200063 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:( < 1400014571 573538 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: yes they are? < 1400014582 851583 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400014583 881838 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1400014586 212854 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1400014589 76093 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a halting program of length k contributes 2^-k to the halting prob < 1400014597 851086 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see the length part < 1400014599 79402 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dero < 1400014600 674968 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*derp < 1400014620 810543 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in the halting seq it would be some bit at index roughly 2^k < 1400014655 826059 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how about my alternative? < 1400014666 130546 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so halting prob is exponentially more dense than halting sequence < 1400014683 41643 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O I just had the best idea ever < 1400014684 715813 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what alternative? < 1400014687 91076 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait < 1400014691 572085 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1400014697 34535 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my alternative < 1400014705 231465 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an internal counter C < 1400014724 498075 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an operation B(x) which increments C and returns the xth bit of the Cth busy beaver number < 1400014738 494606 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way to reduce the value of C or anything < 1400014810 671763 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little complex < 1400014825 653697 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about every other bit of blc halting prob? < 1400014836 725715 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400014840 834174 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's well defined and uncomputable < 1400014847 530384 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most certainly useless < 1400014902 411506 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1400014903 241056 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway , i shld get back to do some work:( < 1400014939 163788 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A428A9.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400014966 610667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I graphed how my project is doing at keeping up with Rust language changes: http://people.mozilla.org/~mbrubeck/servo-rust-updates.svg < 1400014995 267001 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle [] < 1400014996 675674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.cycle: empty list < 1400015007 532345 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( cycle [] < 1400015007 927853 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:7:When elaborating argument 13xs to function 09Prelude.Stream.cycle: < 1400015008 75108 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1400015008 75207 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect 040 13a < 1400015008 75244 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1400015008 75282 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Vect (04S 13n) 13a14↵… < 1400015020 379209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooo dependent types < 1400015034 633241 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 0 (cycle []) < 1400015036 600059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1400015041 866258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 0 undefined < 1400015043 473799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1400015054 408953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (take 0) < 1400015055 784808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1400015056 781079 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400015074 774284 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right take 0 is just const [] < 1400015148 258706 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \a,xs:List a => take 0 xs < 1400015148 652178 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13a => \13xs => 04[] : (13a : 12Type) -> 12List 13a -> 12List 13a < 1400015599 503963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07One14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39510 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+1394) 10Created page with "One is a language invented by Tailcalled. It is an uncomputable extension to a Brainfuck dialect, but it is designed to not be significantly more powerful than ordinary Brainf..." < 1400015613 562358 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a thing :D < 1400015660 361498 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I made an instruction that I named Instruction, because I can < 1400015714 964617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does I do on negative input? < 1400015760 735324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07One14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39511&oldid=39510 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+89) 10 < 1400015768 310970 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explained < 1400015800 710486 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to give an example of its usde < 1400015815 884965 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1400015819 144118 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the output on the first call with x=0? < 1400015834 706214 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exactly is BB defined? < 1400015839 522470 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, maybe I should have defined busy beaver more clearly < 1400015873 740287 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget that BB is somewhat ambiguous :/ < 1400015898 910645 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also , this requires you to nail down every other detail < 1400016004 56490 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Rand.Next() <- since PRNGs are actually deterministic it should at least be possible to calculate a seed so that it constructs a given brainfuck program < 1400016045 871139 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, that sadly doesn't answer if such a seed even exists < 1400016112 530182 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the seed will need to be at least as big as the program?! < 1400016133 815731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily? < 1400016140 564265 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, on avg < 1400016158 313946 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could happen that the seed 0 will produce the cat program < 1400016211 666595 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nad your next 10 coin tosses cld be all tails. still on avg that will take 2^10 tries:) < 1400016216 180450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1400016217 652548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04birdcoin 07tabllinecoin 08dutackethaxcoin 09fukcoin 02fitcoin 06clecoin 13bubtlecoin 04dularcoin 07convercoin 08factioncoin 09trecoin 02suonymcoin 06eoncoin 13deltmachialigsetticoin 04smilectcoin 07juxtapcoin 08scenscrcoin 09bicscoin 02dreimaccoin 06sandcoin < 1400016242 707198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, that wrapped perfectly on my screen < 1400016243 41476 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: true < 1400016251 866969 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the beauty about statistics < 1400016253 543664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see my Rust-graph? < 1400016273 531224 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody says your coin was manipulated after producing 1 Mio. times tails in a row < 1400016277 361302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we have any duplicates from `coin so far? < 1400016280 117608 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still say "nope. I didn't." < 1400016296 214849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I saw dupcoin twice < 1400016301 252089 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he'll never prove for sure that you manipulated it < 1400016307 773896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07One14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39512&oldid=39511 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+927) 10 < 1400016308 974747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1400016337 991627 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07One14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39513&oldid=39512 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+0) 10/* Busy Beaver */ mixed up in and out < 1400016374 757659 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1400016377 227566 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems better now? < 1400016380 509140 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since PRNGs aren't really random < 1400016388 981110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares about absolute proof. < 1400016394 721496 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400016397 278484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there are quite a few duplicates < 1400016399 716646 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to prove that no number shows up more than twice in a row < 1400016500 616025 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more questions about One before I go to bed? < 1400016529 141842 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was that directed to me? < 1400016567 970376 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can calculate how much you have to throw a die to prove with k% certainty that it was manipulated < 1400016582 131421 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assuming you cut somebodys hand off if he uses a manipulated die < 1400016586 225768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1400016592 701955 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big must k be for society to live with it? < 1400016660 754356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bifurcoin < 1400016719 354187 :atriq!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400016727 987373 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fornicoin < 1400016730 583774 :tailcalled!573bcd6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.59.205.110 QUIT : < 1400016764 755127 :atriq!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan How do I, as an Englishman, go about pronouncing "Tromsø"? < 1400016764 902359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400016767 908873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 7.18 < 1400016800 123187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07One14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39514&oldid=39513 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+68) 10 < 1400016807 307689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's pretty low < 1400016809 300284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok... < 1400016822 876629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 92.111111114 < 1400016826 646415 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other question is whether k can be lower for less severe punishments < 1400016844 377399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Probably you should aim for the way that Norwegians pronounce it. < 1400016848 638917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also weren't you dutch < 1400016850 321315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/0.0788 < 1400016851 724736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12.69035532994924 < 1400016857 450261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/0.0718 < 1400016859 78837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13.927576601671309 < 1400016866 141692 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emoticoin? Bacoin? Silicoin? :-) < 1400016867 710287 :atriq!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm only dutch etymologically and genealogically speaking < 1400016877 747124 :atriq!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culturally and linguistically, I'm Bristish < 1400016887 514328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coin-cidences < 1400017037 68912 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there crypthography based on the halting problem by any chance? < 1400017058 16430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'm aware of < 1400017061 738180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be hard to implement < 1400017093 897718 :atriq!90208033@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.51 QUIT : < 1400017586 111960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400018007 327811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t hex < 1400018008 218392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Choice p, Applicative f, Integral a) => p a (f a) -> p String (f String) < 1400018022 872839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1400018023 20243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq asked 20m 58s ago: How do I, as an Englishman, go about pronouncing "Tromsø"? < 1400018040 510734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: badly hth < 1400018115 789749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate isn't too bad but i think the ø is a little to weak < 1400018195 736032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks the english pronunciation, which sounds about as close as he'd expect an english-speaker to be able to get it < 1400018299 426960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i put a hyphen (Troms-ø), then the norwegian pronunciation gets the ø about right put has the wrong pitch accent on the word as a whole < 1400018334 420452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try putting in an INVISIBLE STRENGTH instead < 1400018372 221392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1400018383 704101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode INVISIBLE STRENGTH < 1400018384 637444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1400018397 58255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very invisible < 1400018438 93319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Read the logs. < 1400018438 240577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400018795 797738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : or should it just be "happy hectomegasecond" <-- i'm pretty sure SI prefixes don't combine. < 1400019226 187370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1400019233 310109 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400019876 246342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400020768 187384 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400021411 919832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (take 0) < 1400021412 737547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] < 1400021422 798098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1400021444 184204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (drop 0) < 1400021445 153382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] < 1400021510 463479 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take 0 is like \_ -> [] :: [a] -> [a] right < 1400021512 324388 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval < 1400021522 246563 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400021533 670306 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@eval fix (take 0) 123 < 1400021538 50005 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400021543 256207 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval fix (take 0) 123 < 1400021543 403745 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (127): < 1400021545 766340 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1400021554 158341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1400021554 661664 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 132220Z 35010KT 9999 BKN044 05/M04 Q1018 RMK WIND 670FT 01015KT < 1400021600 310415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fix (take 0) is not a function hth < 1400021607 398471 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (take 0) < 1400021608 897688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1400021616 618459 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's actually not bottom < 1400021623 894401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once < 1400021627 41560 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (drop 0) < 1400021631 248342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1400021635 911924 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst < 1400021649 732932 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Haskell is borken. too much Java in my world. < 1400021669 325060 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Montréal is now warm! (and humid too) < 1400021674 66440 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1400021674 468785 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 132240Z 11007KT 30SM FEW055 OVC075 18/09 A3012 RMK SC2AC6 SLP201 DENSITY ALT 200FT < 1400021679 400474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you need to go on a profunctor pilgrimage twh < 1400021718 178713 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I long for the day where we'll push Java 8. a meager consolation, but progress towards the Great Functional Unification! < 1400021747 397359 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still agree about the Pilgrimage. that'd do me much good. < 1400021805 706402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :santiago de composition < 1400021939 510148 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, Jacob, James and Jacques are all related. < 1400022011 314630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are Ørjan, Jürgen and George < 1400022087 13676 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprising. < 1400022098 679242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivan, John and Hans. < 1400022158 128864 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400022201 600114 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one I know because of my girlfriend's surname. < 1400022203 566724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably still have in storage the old baby names book with pictures of trees of big name families < 1400022322 304393 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm < 1400022336 471354 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are there many fish and chip shops in Norway? < 1400022353 110312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to my knowledge. < 1400022471 330476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't really as many fish shops as there ought to be, with or without chips < 1400022505 341495 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400022510 914800 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hm. a fish'n'chip poutine. I should try to make that one time... ) < 1400022539 898816 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, how many fish and chop shops are there in Canadia? < 1400022551 742610 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400022557 509863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :late night fast food is mainly kebab and burgers these days. maybe some sausages, if i'm to believe norway's main relevant comic. < 1400022672 949377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does norway have the innovation of 99¢ Fresh Pizza < 1400022674 378236 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: eh... not that much, at least here. < 1400022707 242091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: except for the price, probably. i used to buy pizza slices at the bunnpris chain when i was at university. < 1400022712 718959 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's the http://www.britandchips.com/ < 1400022713 529018 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's two between me and the city wall < 1400022740 607365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they were 30 nok or so < 1400022751 547699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :99¢ Fresh Pizza is a thing in New York, and it's pretty distinct from the standard NYC pizza experience, which is like $2 or $3 a slice < 1400022769 579130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(back in 1998 or so) < 1400022856 883651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that was about $4 then < 1400022873 830540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian grocery is based on the strange combination of heavily advertising "low" prices and customers mainly refusing to buy cheap non-name brands < 1400022908 731106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOK/USD experienced quite a drop from July '08 to December '08 < 1400022911 636963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so did many things. < 1400022965 295693 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400022977 753926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah norway has been mostly an oasis against the crisis < 1400022996 719600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at some points investors hoarded NOKs < 1400023029 825222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently as of 2014, support for Swedish membership of the euro among the general population is low. In September 2013, support fell as low as 9%" < 1400023110 71202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i have a vague recall of my dad once making a fish pizza, back in the 80s. and possibly a brunost one, which is even more insane. < 1400023179 783278 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brunost. I don't know why, but that word inspires me uncharacteristicly high amounts of dread. < 1400023203 562818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i can see you have a well-developed intuition. < 1400023235 705742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually i like it in moderate amounts, but then i'm a norwegian. but it does _not_ go well with pizza.) < 1400023266 793240 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: we have http://www.pizzapizza.ca/ and http://www.doublepizza.net/. < 1400023275 657043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for an even higher level of dread, gammalost. < 1400023302 635377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'll eat that too. i think. it's been a while.) < 1400023340 51398 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“pungent traditional”. I'm... probably going to have a bite of it if I ever get the chance of, but anything can happen. < 1400023392 874454 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost tempted to switch to Firefox < 1400023411 611378 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure you spend some time on consideration of important life decisions like that sgeo < 1400023476 775017 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIREFOX IS THE BESTEST! ANYONE WHO DISAGREE ARE VILE CHROME USERS! < 1400023477 948395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo < 1400023488 207892 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd gladly float back and forth between browsers if everything stayed synced < 1400023503 551310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, i know you're having a rough time with your browser choices, but remember, you can talk to us < 1400023514 304914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't rush headlong into a decision that might affect you for the rest of your life < 1400023626 790485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah look at me, stuck with IE < 1400023662 175635 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you know you want firefox. it's good for you, and it'll make you feel right. < 1400023816 318873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: clearly the right thing to do is to have an automatic script to change between browsers until your configuration reaches a periodic point. that way you'll always be synced! < 1400023888 421929 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if Sgeo uses a chaotic map? < 1400023922 221086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible with finite memory hth < 1400023959 166081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure a realistic setup will converge _long_ before black holes start evaporating. < 1400023976 362802 :atslash!~atslash@46.72.95.117 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1400024642 722394 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-252-188.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400024817 483317 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-252-188.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400024859 203952 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly want a large chain of "These bookmarks came from Chrome: These bookmarks came from Firefox: These bookmarks came from Chrome: These bookmarks came from Firefox: ..." < 1400024932 597812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is clearly what cyclic directory hard links were made for hth < 1400025045 246207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ("These bookmarks came from Chrome: These bookmarks came from Firefox: "++) < 1400025046 549276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "These bookmarks came from Chrome: These bookmarks came from Firefox: These ... < 1400025076 848222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: cyclewh < 1400025120 195922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still pleased about fix (take 0) < 1400025143 594877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also the greatest fixed point! < 1400025200 761418 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400025238 368547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (take 0) < 1400025239 331598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] < 1400025286 124283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good fixed point < 1400025314 552179 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400025322 146787 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] isn't the least fixed point, is it? < 1400025557 316788 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t take 0 < 1400025558 215681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [a] < 1400025572 351449 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400025600 455479 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ fix $ take 0 < 1400025602 975837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1400025626 42096 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is great < 1400025663 195988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fix always gives the least fixed point. < 1400025801 359382 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400025802 983315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the official haskell report definition of what recursion does. < 1400025849 923652 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 0 undefined < 1400025851 296730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1400025854 967480 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1400025915 504874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing below [] is ⊥, and that isn't a fixed point of (take 0) < 1400026051 488315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (1*) < 1400026055 270006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1400026075 981834 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, i thought take 0 was strict. < 1400026094 71642 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 1 (5:undefined) < 1400026095 498148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5] < 1400026118 943853 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1400026126 308138 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 1 (undefined:undefined) < 1400026127 725003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1400026147 526611 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that [undefined] except for failure to show properly? < 1400026164 47130 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well le't see < 1400026171 600803 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length take 1 (undefined:undefined) < 1400026172 833745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘a2 -> [a3] -> t’ < 1400026172 980973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘GHC.Types.Int’Couldn't match expected type ‘[a0]’ < 1400026172 981052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘GHC.Types.Int -> [a1] -> [a1]’ < 1400026176 450535 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ take 1 (undefined:undefined) < 1400026178 894588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1400026182 615761 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1400026183 681742 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400026213 20901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: [()] < 1400026214 242649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1400026232 233794 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length (undefined :: [()]) < 1400026233 491491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1400026243 661653 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400026243 822429 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400026282 462179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a general rule that f undefined = undefined iff fix f = undefined < 1400026333 86702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fix f is the limit of iterate f undefined < 1400026355 456319 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I a traitor to Magic if I try Hearthstone? < 1400026355 739399 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400026355 886945 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to prove the first statement < 1400026360 269892 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400026388 157109 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400026414 489792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, if f undefined = undefined then clearly undefined is the least fixpoint, so fix f = undefined < 1400026424 974386 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the yes was about traitors < 1400026429 26290 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :death to traitors < 1400026477 563407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f undefined is _not_ undefined, then undefined is not a fixpoint of f at all, so fix f is not undefined. < 1400026506 61980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fix f is not = undefined. < 1400026538 917685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fix f is actually defined as anything requires using CPO to prove there's always a least fixpoint. < 1400026558 434947 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1400026598 401080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that probably involves using that limit of iterate f undefined as a lemma. < 1400026611 94907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a bit vague on that part. < 1400026614 161793 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1400026684 366695 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400027102 91056 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400027141 877900 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400027408 154395 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400027573 218580 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400027836 420952 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400028026 696814 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400028173 310106 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400028816 917786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you happier now that the gods are dying? Or do you dream of Heston with omniscient beard? < 1400028817 80761 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 1 egobot: daemon egobot reload a file for os x? i'm trying to < 1400028896 490428 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400029015 6130 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot dreams of Dæmon Egobot, Lord of the Tenth Circle of Bothell. < 1400029015 367862 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hello lord_rob, how is the work of a tortured mind making a single last grasp for a semblance of comforting sanity overlaid upon a fundamentally chaotic at ultimately inimical universe. < 1400029070 952122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1400029071 99371 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1400029081 24602 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, plenty of new styles! < 1400029091 397020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop that, you're ruining boily's sanity project < 1400029091 544246 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only 4 years?!" < 1400029101 33595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I should ask my information theory question here < 1400029123 293532 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four Years of Sanity. < 1400029133 694788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an accurate model of the noise in a signal, can you insert encrypted messages into that signal in a way that's indistinguishable from more noise if you don't know the key? < 1400029147 443901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can and that it would be kind of like spread spectrum CDMA, but I'm not sure < 1400029196 419719 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect so, but can't really justify it < 1400029198 547105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about hiding data in digital TV transmissions by corrupting MPEG blocks in a way that looks like ordinary broadcast noise < 1400029214 974147 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, stenography? < 1400029219 270091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :steganography < 1400029222 762352 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can. we had a practical exam question once where we had to extract a signal from a post-modern waveform. < 1400029224 719877 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1400029226 398722 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate that word < 1400029249 93008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can definitely insert an "encrypted carrier" by modeling the noise process using, say, a stream cipher as your RNG < 1400029263 406866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the receiver can sync to it by looking for correlations < 1400029264 9568 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style oots < 1400029264 157406 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: oots (Order Of The Stick) < 1400029268 740230 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MATERIAL CHICKEN < 1400029270 251994 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400029296 445051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how best to modulate that carrier without changing its statistical properties < 1400029304 777990 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like airships < 1400029305 79932 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a good way, and our little dog, too! neat, having dinner together, and i know that, i'm the most badass halfling ever! in the name of, " it's alive and well, as theological revelations the oracle that. we visited ' im. or ' er, much like this go board and replace it with my little eye... something that the target " hates, fears, or otherwise, there wouldn't that be so lucky. tha way lies madness. < 1400029307 264069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could at least do simple on-off-keying (where "off" = uncorrelated noise) < 1400029442 18526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.arl.army.mil/arlreports/2001/ARL-TR-2433.pdf looks relevant < 1400029450 416952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magic search phrase was "spread spectrum steganography" < 1400029813 404783 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-127-182.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400029889 984761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think this should work with any noise you can model accurately < 1400029901 49726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiding messages in markov chain output would be an example < 1400029915 5443 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-17.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400029919 897379 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I know the guy who makes King James Programming... < 1400029926 12691 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I put him touch with MI6? < 1400029935 24293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400029970 9825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think that under standard cryptographic assumptions it would be impossible to detect these signals without knowing the key < 1400029975 96993 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the losethos OS thing? < 1400029980 41547 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400030004 16629 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl, no, that's unrelated < 1400030025 779001 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, some other christian fundamentalist is programming? < 1400030042 322434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl, no, it's Markov chain output < 1400030042 785858 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/ < 1400030054 949791 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeded with KJV and SICP < 1400030057 683703 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400030070 930460 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive seen this before < 1400030089 392987 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-127-182.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400030148 527886 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thy people shall be my people, and Assyria the work of those who contributed to making this a real book, especially Terry Ehling" < 1400030199 702598 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1400030229 996056 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you must, at no additional cost, fee or expense to the user, provide a copy, a means of abstraction — that binds a collection of procedures, or a package, and interfaces these to the rest of the acts of Azariah" < 1400030302 593561 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :The garbage collector uses the low-level predicate pointer-to-pair? instead of the list-structure pair? operation because in a real system there might be various things that are in the mountain of Zion < 1400030340 251929 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as in the metacircular evaluator described in section 5.4.2" < 1400030340 398696 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following random-in-range procedure implements this strategy recursively, walking down the list of names of blasphemy" < 1400030373 726989 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes! Remembered something I was going to ask. < 1400030389 683959 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a dependent type system which included database queries? < 1400030422 293654 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :\o_yay < 1400030516 583652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: gnite < 1400030536 713085 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg "foo : (x : String & age of all records in table 1 with name x < 4)" < 1400031210 662117 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this ends up awkward in the presence of database mutation (which is somewhat necessary) < 1400031253 819834 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Datomic ... somehow incorporate time into things? I remember it was too proprietary for me to want to look too closely < 1400031276 372443 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: psh just return a fresh db < 1400031285 437702 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then re-typecheck everything! < 1400031299 303538 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn right. < 1400031384 61225 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight < 1400032351 351562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400036117 17873 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400036176 419177 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400036224 628332 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400036289 426323 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400036323 396282 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1400036449 489703 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400036484 374137 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400037676 661199 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400040341 432679 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400043376 253692 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400043510 550364 :MoALTz__!~no@user-164-126-252-188.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400043685 332786 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-252-188.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400043731 444789 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Sleeping < 1400044169 219228 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400044672 479250 :atslash!~atslash@46.72.95.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400044830 46606 :atslash!~atslash@46.72.95.117 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400045387 345380 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400045758 65318 :\o_yay!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400045779 716812 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400047964 770457 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400048232 921312 :MoALTz__!~no@user-164-126-252-188.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1400048361 873742 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400048885 75812 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400048959 111211 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400048968 904028 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400049329 230713 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400049411 455952 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400049567 351633 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400049683 924522 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-brdgkitthkuhcejw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400049750 490388 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400050325 36200 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400050376 863714 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400051984 587082 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400052144 847700 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400053253 602271 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400053255 411681 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400055519 656554 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1400055947 853318 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400055965 873800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there esoteric cryptosystems < 1400056079 536150 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tattooing your data on the head of a slave < 1400056149 740312 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only unbreakable 256-bit military grade ones < 1400056187 977648 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1400056213 577839 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(invented independently, of course, not by a military) < 1400057365 643287 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400057365 830916 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400057526 797482 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400057565 251038 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400058394 799291 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-50-112-124-255.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400058572 913811 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-50-112-124-255.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400059642 498699 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400061778 251916 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400061813 249767 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400062077 437523 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91FD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400062077 584775 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91FD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1400062077 584837 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400062590 575060 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400062775 642538 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400062777 772568 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1400062797 662709 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, slereah < 1400062958 758477 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, the worst error < 1400062966 313657 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that only happens for huge amounts of data < 1400063046 863989 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhh ErrorTooMuchData < 1400063132 105892 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! < 1400063148 139767 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its just a quicksort :( < 1400063162 300764 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it gives up on some 200.000 array < 1400063455 904010 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what to do < 1400063460 981052 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear using Valgrind < 1400063528 365787 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way that you can use less data? < 1400063539 278797 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I still have to treat them < 1400063559 530890 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll launch Valgrind and go to lunch < 1400063624 40411 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :execvp("sort" < 1400063646 617815 :Patashu!Nikolaos@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400063686 117500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400063706 600575 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400063908 773277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-o < 1400063964 282128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: good plan. i recall calling out to sort speeded up something i did a _lot_, once. (i don't recall what i was doing, though.) < 1400063980 95664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very good at sorting, after all. < 1400064003 790175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume it was gnu sort) < 1400064044 492050 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very good at being readable, however < 1400064059 599746 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold the blob http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/sort.c < 1400064362 582570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i think i was sorting a huge file that didn't fit into memory. < 1400064703 250183 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400064703 437669 :Patashu!Nikolaos@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400065317 779784 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :200k doesn't sound like much < 1400065359 555821 :jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400065434 605871 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NapalmV sends this news from the BBC: "The European Union Court of Justice said links to 'irrelevant' and outdated data should be erased on request. The case was brought by a Spanish man who complained that an auction notice of his repossessed home on Google's search results infringed his privacy. Google said the ruling was 'disappointing.'" < 1400065440 324407 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"disappointing"? < 1400065482 436302 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400065537 128921 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a legal right to have wrong data or outdated data removed or corrected < 1400065546 897511 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most EU countries at least < 1400065555 798103 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ < 1400065555 946934 :jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1400065607 461743 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically... google isn't even allowed to collect information about me without asking me for permisison to do so < 1400065624 227420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if google was bound by swiss laws) < 1400065635 99911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it hurts the business model of doing things without a huge human staff. < 1400065646 163906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you realize that would have killed the internet, right? < 1400065695 105144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :search engines would have been _impossible_ to invent if it required positive action from those indexed. < 1400065723 538125 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quiet agree with that. < 1400065743 613928 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :webmasters could've registered their website for being indexed < 1400065749 355925 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*websites < 1400065783 36030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides < 1400065790 423103 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could still index webpages without your permission < 1400065801 508158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what you publish on your websites is usually considered "public" < 1400065833 697869 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's really illegal is to put all the informtion pieces together to make statements about an individual person < 1400065836 513622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh. < 1400065880 294126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is why robots.txt was invented. he should have been going after the website which publicized him, not google... < 1400065901 504047 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400065919 491365 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the law shouldn't work like that "unless you say no I'm just gonna do some illegal stuff" < 1400065935 507248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not for privacy < 1400065940 931264 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that beats the whole point of privacy imo < 1400065990 595252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but for historical reasons search engines _had_ to assume the absense of robots.txt meant consent. < 1400065992 323582 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically google has to inform me once they received data about me from a third party < 1400066004 20736 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if someone else said something on some website about me < 1400066019 248357 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google indexed it and analyzed it "deeper" they would have to call me about that ;) < 1400066028 298840 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400066037 602306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, theoretically it's impossible to do anything useful without breaking a law hth < 1400066049 992056 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, sending information about my person to foreign countries is actually illegal too < 1400066053 314958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have more lawyers than customers. < 1400066063 620556 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if somebody says something about me on facebook that's already very problematic < 1400066067 185381 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400066069 277708 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone reads something about you anywhere, they are legally obliged to tell you? < 1400066096 205371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: depends on what they read and what they do with the information < 1400066097 744919 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good law < 1400066110 219230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, i read that u suck < 1400066115 341380 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400066174 468466 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It is a good law < 1400066183 721017 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you could say "Well, I didn't collect that information myself" < 1400066184 786527 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thank you for fulfilling your legal obligation under swiss law < 1400066190 765072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: so what you're saying is that an actually plausible working internet without having more than the population of earth employed to check everything is illegal in switzerland. gotcha. < 1400066191 868632 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd be safe from legal consequences < 1400066229 242094 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know what your definition of "plausible working internet" is < 1400066235 412993 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet still works without social media < 1400066293 647775 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not allowed to make a profile of a person with data you collected from third parties < 1400066304 559725 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean social medias are doomed to not exist < 1400066316 561219 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means that they are not allowed to analyze what people write < 1400066330 886248 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you are not allowed to. Other people are, because they are not swiss. < 1400066332 458333 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they just "store" the information they are not creating a profile of my person < 1400066358 62294 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1400066411 291851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still be possible to have social medias and stuff < 1400066448 701950 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might not be free anymore, because they can't make money by shitting on privacy < 1400066473 543598 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they probably have to earn money differently < 1400066482 166924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400066484 370137 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, people will not use them and will use the ones that charge no money and shit on privacy. < 1400066496 569858 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially your privacy. < 1400066523 121158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: probably < 1400066601 78369 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that I don't really get people complaining about privacy < 1400066625 62741 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they complain about it but they still use the free social medias that don't conform to local laws < 1400066652 836957 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400066655 476120 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the case that it's impossible to have such social medias, it's just that nobody really actually wants them < 1400066690 842096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation was a bad idea. < 1400066699 151874 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really expect anything different from a continent that created browserchoice.eu < 1400066700 206381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm all grumpy. < 1400066706 250758 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why? < 1400066713 558354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I make you angry? < 1400066724 998804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly. < 1400066731 23308 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1400066770 70492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you reminded me that the world sucks, hth < 1400066780 151571 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1400066858 757559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because headache. < 1400066941 839300 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably read about privacy laws in the US :) < 1400066987 806366 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, it won't take that much time. < 1400067049 793016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1400067082 21243 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"public disclosure of private facts" < 1400067398 782218 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an official website that documents/publishes laws in the US? < 1400068952 94251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400069173 57272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400069703 29389 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: kernel updates < 1400069941 433730 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1400070825 775606 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400070906 452496 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400070957 182698 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know < 1400070966 307956 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how bad gotos really are < 1400070977 414646 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they get a lot of bad rep because of spaghetti code < 1400070980 937715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FaUX man, freenode operators must've done something very personal to this person. < 1400070992 95771 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think people are just afraid to use it nowadays < 1400071016 143992 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not enough to use the word FUCK < 1400071030 205763 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His mama raised him right! < 1400071135 576087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's a case of steganography, and all the numbers encode a hidden message. < 1400071166 974730 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :659 F{}CK YOU!!! < 1400071171 446235 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a lot of fuck you < 1400071244 770638 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: "GOTO considered harmful" considered harmful < 1400071420 844673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPS is good. < 1400071431 600965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07One14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39515&oldid=39514 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+30) 10fmt, sp < 1400071825 303962 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a general channel for like < 1400071828 483038 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algorithm questions < 1400071830 737062 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondery < 1400071843 212576 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always have a bunch < 1400071915 822955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rand.Next()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39516&oldid=39508 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+347) 10unsigned, and No. < 1400071992 568491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a ##algorithms < 1400072034 791116 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400072040 372755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one # even (surprisingly) < 1400072062 781777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must mean knuth owns it. < 1400072160 170181 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1400073604 918633 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400074348 441686 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lustouptuhsxedyh JOIN :#esoteric < 1400074408 503076 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't the Perl implementation of CHIQRSX9+ also not Turing-complete by the same reasoning? < 1400074468 801866 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400074848 358081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: indeed. that's part of its purpose. < 1400074888 52984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i considered linking to that < 1400074999 373806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that he didn't add that article, and his only edit is to adjust the url. < 1400075037 839223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a url < 1400075139 942341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the article was added before i joined the wiki. < 1400075298 250073 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400075564 711429 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400076802 438296 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400077012 959979 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400077213 123902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400077221 786280 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400077320 696462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400078483 785566 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400079862 463705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400080733 426520 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400081218 250668 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400081553 700800 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400081952 622009 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400082428 139563 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1400082435 921650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I just need to bind type vars to specific types < 1400082747 549862 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400082983 731529 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay \o/ :) < 1400082984 15515 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      | < 1400082984 200150 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     /| < 1400083049 996631 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing a type system is easier than I thought < 1400083123 770781 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400083532 730278 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400083653 150477 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for static typed stack stuff < 1400083661 626129 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a C like type-system < 1400083952 752181 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400084253 418557 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400084561 690247 :nucular_!~MOO@p4FC7E9DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400084634 519921 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400084781 394011 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400084909 92982 :nucular_!~MOO@p4FC7E9DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :nucular < 1400084923 91958 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E9DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1400084923 240664 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400085233 338349 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400086220 355111 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400086493 337322 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400086608 696759 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400086626 407917 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400086629 421447 :hk3380!~test@90.214.229.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400086923 168509 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400088282 903312 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Haskell not allow function overloading? < 1400088303 660022 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming types don't overlap like pu < 1400088318 299183 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: a -> int -> double and bar :: int -> a -> double < 1400088322 836046 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be tricky < 1400088343 206916 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I'm just picking the first variant I find that typechecks < 1400088380 382958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what for? if it does the same thing but depends on certain properties, make a class < 1400088391 367359 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does different stuff, name it differently < 1400088425 691148 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense for Haskell @class < 1400088428 398712 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1400088432 647829 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have classes yet :D < 1400088490 613656 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rely on overloading for now I guess < 1400088529 504526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that somebody can break all existing pieces of code by defining < 1400088535 1009 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :add :- A -> A < 1400088547 555965 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that'd overload pretty much every add variant < 1400088549 849662 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even worse < 1400088552 39230 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :add :- -> < 1400088570 175140 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably restrict that somehow in the future < 1400088747 935147 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing < 1400089386 334154 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400089432 804293 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t index < 1400089436 519961 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Data.HVect.index : (13i : 12Fin 13k) -> 12HVect 13ts -> 09index 13i 13ts < 1400089436 668126 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.List.index : (13n : 12Nat) -> (13l : 12List 13a) -> (09lt 13n (09length 13l) 12= 04True) -> 13a < 1400089436 668221 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Stream.index : 12Nat -> 12Stream 13a -> 13a < 1400089436 668258 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Vect.index : 12Fin 13n -> 12Vect 13n 13a -> 13a < 1400089478 195174 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What would you propose for these? < 1400089547 130752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: all of those but Prelude.List.index are special cases of the HVect case < 1400089556 782455 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400089567 117167 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they aren’t. < 1400089596 723088 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vect’s, I suppose, is, but HVect.index uses Vect.index in its type. < 1400089604 166792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, if you parameterise over the index type too < 1400089615 815058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: what I mean is that you could make a class by tweaking Data.HVect.index's type. < 1400089653 268836 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Stream is infinite and thus any Nat will do, which is not the case for any of the rest … < 1400089701 330213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Idris so this is some kind of frankenstein haskell: class Index seq where type Index seq; type At : Index seq -> Type; index : (idx : Index seq) -> seq -> At idx < 1400089711 250589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this is ugly. it supports Prelude.List.index too if you make Index a tuple < 1400089853 944320 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn’t look like there’d be any chance of inferring things, even if it could be made to work. < 1400089875 764224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/05/12/3 CVE-2014-0196: Linux kernel pty layer race condition memory corruption < 1400090026 697857 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400090063 702383 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Btw you overloaded Index there. < 1400090075 715158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it was frankenstein. < 1400090081 630884 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1400090198 699372 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400090201 311485 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t (::) < 1400090201 738754 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Effects.Env.:: : 12Handler 13eff 13m => 13a -> 12Env 13m 13xs -> 12Env 13m (04MkEff 13a 13eff 04:: 13xs) < 1400090201 886522 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Data.HVect.:: : 13t -> 12HVect 13ts -> 12HVect (13t 04:: 13ts) < 1400090202 34725 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Prelude.List.:: : 13a -> 12List 13a -> 12List 13a < 1400090202 34821 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Data.Vect.Quantifiers.:: : 13P 13x -> 12All 13P 13xs -> 12All 13P (13x 04:: 13xs) < 1400090202 34858 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Prelude.Stream.:: : 13a -> 12Lazy' 04LazyCodata (12Stream 13a) -> 12Stream 13a14↵… < 1400090251 34652 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude.Vect.(::) got cut off. < 1400090432 418287 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400090597 795647 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( [True,"foo"] < 1400090598 161982 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1400090598 343413 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: Effects.Env.::, Data.HVect.::, Prelude.List.::, Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, Prelude.Stream.::, Prelude.Vect.:: < 1400090637 338648 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that used to work. < 1400090833 129225 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: static typed stack-based programming languages < 1400091010 676483 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mh, I guess i since imported Quantifiers and Env. < 1400091454 740531 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I can probably even infer types < 1400091468 155094 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400091475 852575 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a set of built-ins with explicit type signatures < 1400091683 698044 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400092422 302332 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400094509 843917 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400094511 757962 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400094867 957824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: you may enjoy http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/Goodstein.hs (corresponding to a horrible 644 bits implementation of the Goodstein sequence in blc with room for improvement) < 1400094935 856148 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1400094942 754850 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good video to gif converter < 1400094988 619197 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg? < 1400095004 863059 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's give it a whirl < 1400095392 810652 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/video/ perhaps. (Conceptually, to me, ImageMagick is "the right tool for the job") < 1400095413 351328 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400095416 603821 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm fairly ignorant about the topic. < 1400095454 54098 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: monotone wrote a walkthrough http://blog.room208.org/post/48793543478 < 1400096025 456034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello party people < 1400096347 932869 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the past, Gaussian, Inc. has attracted controversy for its licensing terms that stipulate that researchers who develop competing software packages are not permitted to use the software" science code < 1400096600 509175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "Gaussian, Inc." own the patents for the normal distribution? < 1400096636 897268 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow; impressive, int-e! < 1400096679 936636 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a quantum mechanics thing. not sure why it's named after gauss but what isn't < 1400096688 514056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The name originates from Pople's use of Gaussian orbitals to speed up calculations compared to those using Slater-type orbitals" < 1400096705 490902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used netpbm from shell scripts to do video processing < 1400096712 324144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including, like, chroma key < 1400096714 872545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other fancy compositing < 1400096723 855413 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i meant the origin of gaussian orbitals < 1400096729 244528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :3 < 1400096770 533253 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm full of layers, man < 1400097165 387470 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400097258 584350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: the encoding data O = Zero | Succ O | Limit (Nat -> O) is actually fairly standard, but I took a while to realize two things. First, there is the connection between the 'Limit' constructor and the fundamental sequence as used in the Hardy hierarchy. (The connection from there to the Goodstein sequence is made on Wikipedia). Secondly, doing arithmetic on that representation is actually just a copy of the paper... < 1400097264 589843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...definition. (n + 0 = 0; n + (m + 1) = (n + m) + 1; n + (lim f) = lim (n + f), so that's easy (with some caveats, most notably that w (omega) has a "fundamental sequence" different from 1 + w in that representation. So one has to be careful there.) < 1400097303 51751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (for oerjan) < 1400097303 780938 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: for oerjan < 1400097309 56435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. < 1400097339 860648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you call a method fn foo(&'t mut self) -> Bar<'t> then 'self' is borrowed mutably for the duration of 't, regardless of how Bar uses its lifetime parameter < 1400097342 769591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. unfortunate :/ < 1400097403 572311 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's hard to appreciate how much faster goodstein grows than the Ackerman-like g i define, which only takes 47 bits:( < 1400097524 519020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: btw your "g" appears here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-growing_hierarchy#Definition < 1400097618 486675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: it's also noteworthy that most of the effort is spent on converting the input to its hereditary base 2 representation and the corresponding ordinal. from there to the result it's only 91 bits. < 1400097776 71621 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's so much nicer. should consider that ordinal the starting point then < 1400098044 779143 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: That's not entirely fair though, because the ordinals encode the necessary recursive structure. Somewhere in the middel, we could start from the cantor normal form of the heriditary base representation (so just a binary tree, of type: data O = Zero | ExpWPlus O O, encoded as a fold), it's 384 bits. < 1400098453 395888 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a round number... < 1400098471 559800 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx for the link; i included it on my page < 1400098623 395214 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 NICK :Slereah < 1400100019 587258 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to phone... < 1400100229 431589 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400100870 474093 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400101279 793083 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/HTPOSdyA7Uo http://youtu.be/eKK98MpqujA < 1400101564 264081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1400101704 100710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400101734 380447 :cillo!~cillo@94.100.41.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400101916 978590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Implementing a type system is easier than I thought <-- now do inference twh < 1400101975 801068 :cillo!~cillo@94.100.41.59 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400102420 776470 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400102422 867250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman_ Why does Haskell not allow function overloading? <-- the original invention of type classes was in order to have a more principled way of doing overloading than any other language. < 1400102431 557903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1400102436 449598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: AAAAAAAAAAAA < 1400102446 653529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it'll be back in a moment < 1400102457 313773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1400102486 250417 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happened: https://clientarea.ramnode.com/announcements.php?id=352 < 1400102513 415882 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400102544 35462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems they took almost 15 minutes. < 1400102549 223807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those evil dutch < 1400102555 405478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're american < 1400102561 1803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1400102568 968012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they company is, that is.) < 1400102569 674769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, aren't you in germany. < 1400102574 853139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm in Austria < 1400102595 789146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from Germany ... < 1400102597 899049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1400102622 679771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your client is in .de < 1400102631 209419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that's another server ... < 1400102650 875759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1400102656 352822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was too weak for lambdabot :) < 1400102666 249755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can believe that. < 1400102706 260163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400102710 952543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot < 1400102712 434068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug lambdabot < 1400102718 258388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1400102724 266664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1400102743 315872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman_ Why does Haskell not allow function overloading? <-- the original invention of type classes was in order to have a more principled way of doing overloading than any other language. < 1400102750 281584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400102799 597236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that reminds me, i wonder if that bug i reported ever got a response. actually i guess not because i think i registered my email. < 1400102814 731185 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-160-167.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400102857 26667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, no change. < 1400102941 451213 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400103104 343641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as expected, really, it's a you're-doing-it-wrong-but-it-doesn't-really-affect-realistic-programs bug < 1400103151 237764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually it's nice to see that a 15 minutes absence of lambdabot is surprising people again, rather than being business as usual. :) < 1400103180 524855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1400103321 728745 :nooodl_!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400103325 345441 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t (>>=) < 1400103325 777300 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Effects.>>= : 12Eff 13m 13a 13xs 13xs' -> ((13val : 13a) -> 12Eff 13m 13b (13xs' 13val) 13xs'') -> 12Eff 13m 13b 13xs 13xs'' < 1400103325 925136 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Monad.>>= : 12Monad 13m => 13m 13a -> (13a -> 13m 13b) -> 13m 13b < 1400103455 572863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the added distinctions in dependently typed languages make it too hard to make useful classes for functions that are different versions of the "same" concept... < 1400103521 453987 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400103533 904029 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, in some cases at least. < 1400103536 102714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking also at your index and (::) examples earlier) < 1400103598 479356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose someone needs to invent a more suitable way of abstracting over those differences < 1400103672 817307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm isn't that among the use cases for ghc's PolyKind and ConstraintKind extensions < 1400103686 90435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1400103744 557095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still need things to fit just right. < 1400103823 914212 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Type -> Type < 1400103824 312448 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Type -> 12Type : 12Type < 1400103836 69370 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Show < 1400103836 491071 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Prelude.Show : 12Type -> 12Type < 1400103898 309397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Show Int < 1400103898 600387 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Show 12Int : 12Type < 1400103909 2092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1400103918 395313 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Show Int) %instance < 1400103918 823854 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04constructor of Prelude.Show (\13{meth0} => 09prim__toStrInt 13meth) : 12Show 12Int < 1400103942 848154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris runs on meth < 1400104003 146350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, methodical < 1400104030 680773 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400104047 959311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilaften < 1400104113 3308 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good oerjaning. < 1400104168 393268 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400104285 909513 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1400104286 320617 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 142121Z 18009G15KT 15SM SCT045 OVC070 23/15 A3008 RMK SC3AC5 SLP187 DENSITY ALT 800FT < 1400104298 187710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1400104298 610757 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 142120Z 17003KT CAVOK 04/M02 Q1029 RMK WIND 670FT 30003KT < 1400104343 941450 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: “class Finite (n : Nat) t where isoFin : Iso t (Fin n)” is also a thing, outside of the stdlib though. < 1400104364 353330 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are my DENSITY, DENSITY, DENSITY 君と行ける未来 ♪ < 1400104634 160963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: huh, and that goodstein program has no recursion? < 1400104658 762958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was the point < 1400104985 904127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: here is a somewhat odd bit of Rust code: for _ in replace(&mut self.roots, vec!()).move_iter().rev() {} < 1400105350 174597 :nooodl_!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1400105609 28551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands idris-bot some 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine < 1400105803 95635 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands metasepia some organic free-range Himalayan tofu < 1400105825 290773 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you vile bot drugger! you should feel ashamed! < 1400106018 343197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's not tofu but rancid butter hth < 1400106203 470223 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntdnh. < 1400106273 674646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to the Tibetan custom, butter tea is drunk in separate sips, and after each sip the host refills the bowl to the brim. Thus, the guest never drains his bowl; rather, it is constantly topped up. If the visitor does not wish to drink, the best thing to do is leave the tea untouched until the time comes to leave and then drain the bowl. In this way etiquette is observed and the host will not be offended." < 1400106449 603925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Based-on the principles believed to be at work with the tea, coffee-drinkers have created a coffee version of the beverage." < 1400106480 48678 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject your reality and substitue my sane own. < 1400106581 40944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried to reject reality but it's somehow not working properly. < 1400106734 387999 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk NICK :edwardk < 1400106779 29172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the hidden burn "Many different political entities have communities of herders who produce and consume yak's dairy products including cheese and butter – for example, China, India, Mongolia, Nepal, and Tibet." < 1400106807 868751 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a shoddy patch over "countries". < 1400106831 807080 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very hidden... it's more like check-out-that-pulsating-radiating-mesmerizing-glow. < 1400106958 777339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just amazed that it's been there since 2011. < 1400106966 863187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia? < 1400106968 769867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yak_butter&diff=437641611&oldid=437595102 < 1400106977 607032 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not inaccurate. < 1400107001 524076 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nominally, tibet has a good deal of self-governance. < 1400107003 956610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems less like a deliberate burn and more like an attempt to avoid trouble from chinese nationalist trolls < 1400107009 554908 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that. < 1400107014 676419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which there are many < 1400107035 188801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the govt has an app to coördinate the trolls like Israel does < 1400107046 612164 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual term for when you want to talk about nations without talking about nations is "culture", though < 1400107060 123803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm just amazed that they haven't removed it _anyhow_. admittedly i didn't check all intervening edits. < 1400107067 366494 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they remove it? < 1400107067 890869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's no reason to mention politics there < 1400107074 205119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because they're trolls, you mean < 1400107158 200161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine even listing China and Tibet separately under _any_ categorization would be enough to trigger them. < 1400107164 681732 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i see what you mean < 1400107175 561311 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe chinese nationalists don't care for yak butter < 1400107189 385053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...plausible. < 1400107235 958047 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400107399 597238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well PRC also claims Taiwan and yet puts up with ROC being listed separately in some categorizations, as long as the right words are used < 1400107409 875647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "Chinese Taipei" at the olympics, what a wonderful bit of deliberate ambiguity < 1400107475 230965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Hong Kong has its own Olympic delegation as well < 1400107558 735286 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know taiwan even had an olympic team. < 1400107572 48225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Multiple_Olympic_Teams < 1400107588 842909 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about macau? < 1400107597 75125 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not. < 1400107606 94284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not members of the IOC but they participate in the Asia Games or something < 1400108001 300841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! http://rust.godbolt.org/ < 1400108098 725860 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "int x;" isn't legal so i give up < 1400108114 222936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I like that :) < 1400108160 178584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, people are doing GBA homebrew in Rust: https://github.com/exoticorn/gba-rust < 1400108169 930855 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1400108195 592267 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what processors does rustc target, anyway < 1400108206 169784 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right llvm < 1400108352 298712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a hardware abstraction layer for bare metal ARM: https://github.com/hackndev/zinc < 1400108363 413830 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400108365 304199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading backlog of This Week in Rust < 1400108871 923324 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400109122 385398 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400109364 370791 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MERIDIAN CHICKEN < 1400109366 589677 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400109461 328606 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400109869 325472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With OOP, if an object has several methods that do the same thing, how is a subclasser supposed to know which one to override to override the others? Is that expected to be part of documentation, or just reading the code? < 1400109936 891892 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1400110032 650761 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :several methods that do the same thing -- code smell < 1400110071 84007 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to happen all the time in Smalltalk < 1400110077 346852 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo probably means similar-but-a-bit-different things, like a method that writes a description of the object to standard output vs. a method that writes a description of the object on the washington monument < 1400110081 76909 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :smelltalk :D < 1400110122 212195 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the question also kind of extends to Java and actual issues I've encountered, where it seems non-obvious what the mimimal set of methods I need to override to prevent something from happening is < 1400110176 259339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you need to borrow Haskell's new MINIMAL pragma. < 1400110218 590102 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have some non virtual methods obviously < 1400110262 966294 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this may be subtyping's fault, or something < 1400110279 490916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yay < 1400110298 784212 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't even state the problem without subtyping. < 1400110306 626417 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. you know. < 1400110312 676269 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame smalltalk. < 1400110332 388992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever came up with that MINIMAL thing must've been p. great < 1400110348 130300 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400110484 791463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it you < 1400110487 280969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the joke < 1400110500 124404 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :smelltalk :D < 1400110510 174814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey no fun ruining the joke this soon < 1400110675 497283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the theory of the mobius < 1400110683 9228 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400110744 657943 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a twist in the fabric of space, where time becomes a loop. < 1400110782 664607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "time becomes a loop. " < 1400110783 946605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "time becomes a loop. time becomes a loop. time becomes a loop. time becomes... < 1400110843 902173 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stopping point. < 1400110977 611084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was me < 1400110980 347180 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we reach that point, whatever happened will happen again < 1400110988 25434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the joke < 1400111015 438968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf will introduce MINIMAL again < 1400111077 975747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINIMALER < 1400111170 427308 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, this paper claims to determine a "word length" for neural information < 1400111598 683870 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats neural information < 1400111638 281729 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hungry, but it's almost 1 AM < 1400111642 715163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have any food < 1400111648 947819 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, fourth meal < 1400111713 44979 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: information neurons "send". < 1400111766 30225 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lke a float < 1400111815 628423 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. like a float. exactly. < 1400111858 522502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are brains IEEE 754 compliant? < 1400111968 634995 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually uses the IBM 7094 format, for compatibility < 1400112316 351182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE 1337 < 1400112342 37136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NaN NaN NaN i can't hear you < 1400112345 697437 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 9001 < 1400112551 838283 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400113274 710223 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400113383 962045 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400115895 147534 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400116302 518231 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if you could make a highly dynamic environment with pure immutability and FRP < 1400116369 39061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid we'll never know the answer, as int-e has changed the @faq command. < 1400116383 96160 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq Can Haskell be Smalltalk? < 1400116383 243285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ < 1400116393 846074 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1400116401 578438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably better for newbies though) < 1400116718 420541 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-55.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400116724 317357 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-209-5.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400117943 717586 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-209-5.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1400117988 683896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm sad that chaining isn't so easy in Smalltalk < 1400119315 108134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400119739 435131 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400120702 199836 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400121264 246171 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-209-5.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400121376 409467 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-37-172.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400122093 431111 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute < 1400122093 841342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :valueWithExit < 1400122093 988293 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : self value: [ ^nil ] < 1400122181 397376 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-37-172.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400122185 391540 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400122300 147652 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-49-54.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400122427 826890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400122823 226420 :archaic!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-hjgmkopygwwxcqum QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400123524 355767 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400123663 851321 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400124053 684884 :alone!~superior@hosting.rikairchy.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400127676 566782 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400127704 715195 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400128009 167820 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400128035 706818 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400128332 327433 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, the anniversary of a CA upgrading from 1024-bit root keys https://www.digicert.com.my/news/news_20130515.htm < 1400128466 642770 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-49-54.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1400128549 695619 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400128608 490754 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400129586 930272 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400130084 29737 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lustouptuhsxedyh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400130841 434636 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh I don't think I like the ... lessened down mechanics of Hearthstone, but I think I'd like being able to play quickly without spending a fortune and being able to play the full game < 1400130914 792013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly reminded of a C# vs Java thing. I think ais523 said something like C# being the better language but Java having a better environment? Well, Magic: the Gathering might be a better game but Hearthstone has a better play environment. Although I'm not yet actually involved enough in either to say < 1400130995 670320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-49-54.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god < 1400131000 436442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-49-54.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i NEED to stuff you into a locker now < 1400131166 132645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you stuff god into a locker? < 1400131289 168471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-49-54.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she just needs to say something like that, and i will be necessarily empowered < 1400131873 169263 :password2!~password@197.78.182.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400132251 236745 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400132263 600047 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i want to learn how to use markov chains < 1400132283 242510 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400132538 222726 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400132777 810643 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you can learn from fungot < 1400132777 957948 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you know, that went fairly well, that too. < 1400132810 915680 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, sometimes i could swear theres a real person pulling his strings < 1400132881 340885 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1400132881 488469 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1400132888 946797 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1400132889 94031 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1400132904 654286 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot do you have video tutorials < 1400132904 838767 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: hes hot! i just assumed it was flown from outside of the devs after 3dr went down. < 1400132921 59609 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-49-54.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you feel about space oddity < 1400132921 206791 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: erm... no one on board if it happens often. that took a few minutes to burn. looks stunning! must see!! its very very very intersing!! < 1400133003 50741 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unplausible, he doesn't talk about how well he could fap < 1400133017 112667 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400133078 41739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03IceCodr 5* 10New user account < 1400133327 916288 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1400133421 248270 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400133888 138582 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400134120 184780 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400134373 158880 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400134973 419775 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1400135916 452293 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400136857 739118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could say that in Hearthstone terms, all Magic creatures have Taunt < 1400136902 212978 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, not quite equivalent, in Hearthstone attacker could still choose which Taunt creature to attack < 1400137046 916856 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400137195 895133 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :With function overloading I actually don't need type classes < 1400137215 145340 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's surprisingly powerful < 1400137286 201751 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Makes sense. More or less it just defines how one can legally "overload" it < 1400137286 349016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400137473 141074 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400138066 784194 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400138092 18248 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400138438 178995 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400138488 616799 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400138621 455714 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400138798 217011 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-49-54.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400139316 493745 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400139530 460332 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400139537 15584 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really fun :) < 1400140663 257657 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400141223 489756 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400142340 668124 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400142429 442215 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400142429 681851 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400143276 327636 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400143551 355178 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400143867 647471 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400144115 487705 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400144409 226185 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Two14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39517 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+2029) 10Created page with "'''Two''' is a language invented by [[User:Tailcalled]]. It is an uncomputable extension to a [[Brainfuck]] dialect, designed to increase the power as much as possible with a ..." < 1400144448 365924 :tailcalled!4e6fa932@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.111.169.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400144770 565358 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/ < 1400144783 474494 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 have answered the survey so far. So I took the time to create a working draft with the current results < 1400144794 498837 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody even wanted EOF to be 4 o_O < 1400144912 509621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. output in text mode should probably use ASCII anyway? < 1400144929 10112 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want unicode or something < 1400145057 135753 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least ASCII compatible < 1400145065 370555 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise using \n wouldn't make sense anyway < 1400145105 62284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two brainfuck derivatives in two days? < 1400145202 24711 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does I. do? < 1400145213 657386 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. noops < 1400145218 85536 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400145530 232045 :tailcalled!4e6fa932@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.111.169.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 all the things < 1400145579 707882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tailcalled: I loops forever if the cell is already "infinity"? < 1400145626 901948 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "I" increases until it becomes infinity and if that can't be done it loops forever < 1400145798 506318 :tailcalled!4e6fa932@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.111.169.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400146252 473011 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo, what's ESOSC? < 1400146334 130693 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the lambda mean in NBF < 1400146349 99475 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is it nuffin < 1400146542 54083 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: yeah < 1400146654 209298 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are [] always paired anyway < 1400146665 62650 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lone [ sounds like a good idea for an if statement! < 1400146698 373235 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess it may get confusing < 1400146727 816068 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, not an if I guess < 1400146730 839065 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an exit < 1400148469 255429 :john3213!john3213@static-72-66-66-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400148771 938199 :john3213!john3213@static-72-66-66-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1400149024 168843 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400149554 614469 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: esoteric song contest < 1400149566 659796 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or the esoteric standard committee < 1400149852 757748 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric Senegalese Cinema < 1400150407 186825 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have that to < 1400150410 115713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1400150413 968213 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only in senegal < 1400150588 216940 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: mrhelloman_. you're in sénégal now? < 1400150722 555049 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Moolaadé is considered a Senegalese film but was "filmed in Burkina Faso". (According to wikipedia, which also puts its article in "Category:Films shot in Senegal".) < 1400151775 151065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400151778 539620 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT : < 1400151805 687160 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400151852 58796 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :) < 1400151859 200693 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily no. < 1400151859 385523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400151864 886035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be so negative! < 1400151871 904415 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm positive right now < 1400151877 823493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just managed to implement pointers! < 1400151898 533040 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can now do stuff like foo :- B A A -> B* B**; foo := pop pop getPtr dup getPtr < 1400151924 515613 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it type checks as it should < 1400151936 310900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-hour < 1400151936 818015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ said 4h 4m 10s ago: Makes sense. More or less it just defines how one can legally "overload" it < 1400151946 165910 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(getPtr :- A -> A*; pop :- A ->; dup :- A A -> A) < 1400152000 653547 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400152034 622451 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400152064 479870 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that's annoying currently is seeing error messages that actually aren't :D < 1400152083 207199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1400152108 122524 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can't match expected type `int' with `float' [add]" < 1400152142 737510 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is it searches through every overloaded version of a function until it finds one that typechecks < 1400152151 674676 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the process of doing so it just prints error messages :D < 1400152162 892225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend changing that. < 1400152175 490790 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first defined version of add is add :- int int -> int < 1400152192 349218 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I will ;) < 1400152236 876522 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently the problem is that you can't define the type of a function that should be somewhat polymorphic < 1400152246 452235 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e sum :: (Num a) => [a] -> a in Haskell < 1400152253 990545 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have type classes < 1400152296 590213 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sum :- A* -> A obviously doesn't type check when you use add in it < 1400152314 112167 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400152347 7130 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that' d produce "can't match expected type `int' with `A' [add]" < 1400152355 174584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: now ponder what happens when you make a pointer to a polymorphic value hth < 1400152362 904732 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know < 1400152375 94335 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution I have in mind is to disable type checking for such functions < 1400152391 248661 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1400152398 33208 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :disable requiring a type signature to be precise < 1400152446 283974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can treat "sum" as "inlined" < 1400152451 373028 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then infer the type myself < 1400152456 251214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about the ml value restriction twh < 1400152461 630938 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1400152470 712956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ml's solution to that problem. < 1400152486 370133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might not apply to a stack language. < 1400152509 950383 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. since there's an add :- int int -> int and add :- float float -> float < 1400152523 184108 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function foo := 5 5 add and foo := 5.0 5.0 add both will type check < 1400152537 223342 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, what you currently can't do is define genericAdd := add < 1400152542 198841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you were not talking about pointers to polymorphic values at all. < 1400152556 405492 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that' require a type signature genericAdd :- ? stuff here ? genericAdd := add < 1400152602 234266 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just can't type check such functions "out of context" < 1400152620 135173 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I check each function individually if it corresponds to its type signature < 1400152633 319136 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I check the code together < 1400152669 922699 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericAdd :- A A -> A; genericAdd = add; can't fullfil its type signature < 1400152800 112872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400152904 845974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/W0OX9LoY <- that'd be my approach to solve it < 1400152951 117396 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works < 1400152961 786566 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't overload such functions anymore :) < 1400153003 370183 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e you couldn't do stuff like genericAdd :: (Num a) => a -> a -> a and also have a genericAdd :: (Foobaz a) => a -> a -> a < 1400153006 374413 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1400153033 946226 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be kinda weird anyway < 1400153034 806225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that probably breaks recursion hth < 1400153125 694367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which i'm thinking because i'm vaguely recalling that _without_ recursion, the hindley-milner type system is simply equivalent to inlining everywhere.) < 1400153150 859797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then type checking non-polymorphically.) < 1400153179 418491 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400153251 762894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what language codepad is guessing that as < 1400153263 512056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it says C < 1400153510 610069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : somebody even wanted EOF to be 4 o_O <-- inspired by unix ^D, presumably < 1400154355 880950 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: funny we should have ESOSC, since there was a similar thingy in early 2000's, ENSI: http://esoteric.sange.fi/ENSI/ < 1400154368 950746 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode  < 1400154369 811698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0004 \ UTF-8: 04 UTF-16BE: 0004 Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) < 1400154394 320887 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`multicode  < 1400154395 8041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0004 \ UTF-8: 04 UTF-16BE: 0004 Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) < 1400154463 497654 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://codepad.org/1UUkCPjL < 1400154482 455866 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion? < 1400154484 8538 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400154488 503470 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tested that yet < 1400154591 826230 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1400154602 808573 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fib :- int -> int; fib := dup fib swap fib add type checks at least < 1400154620 678289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant with polymorphism. < 1400154620 903761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that wouldn't calc fib < 1400154626 193605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm < 1400154636 662981 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true < 1400154645 183077 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1400154648 554166 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1400154703 640174 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400154708 420848 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you inline it :D < 1400154816 332578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i suppose your method is also the way C++ templates do it. < 1400154827 377822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess inlining ought to work. < 1400154844 611009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't _actually_ know C++ templates. < 1400154922 341382 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mother @= parent female mother can't be inlined < 1400154931 454747 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd produce infinite amounts of code :) < 1400154935 328011 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1400154948 828761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bla :- A -> A A; bla := dup bla; can't be type checked so far < 1400154965 782332 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense < 1400154968 166421 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... < 1400154972 207231 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“fib := 1 > if dec dup dec fib swap fib add then”? < 1400154978 564381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1400154988 516373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A -> A A means that after wards the top element has been duplicated < 1400154998 545021 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bla := dup bla; wouldn't just duplicate it < 1400155004 468044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: um surely bla := dup bla _shouldn't_ have the type A -> A A < 1400155025 230388 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bla := dup bla looks like infinite type :D < 1400155031 358959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1400156254 418901 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion is indeed a problem :D < 1400156397 208016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on his "told you so" hat < 1400156402 171321 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1400156406 771467 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a java stackoverflow < 1400156418 886605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will work if I mark it as "visited" after a recursion < 1400156430 883076 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a problem of my implementation < 1400156435 673361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1400156435 821367 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a problem of the type system I think < 1400156568 440207 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still a little bit sucky though < 1400156785 803270 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://codepad.org/w6zVJRLq < 1400156799 479559 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that one seems to work nicely < 1400156806 296222 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(notice that mother is recursive) < 1400156873 192803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400156972 895395 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400157613 251367 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E2DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400157613 437390 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E2DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1400157613 437461 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400157805 124387 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400157926 350101 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:06 < mroman_> somebody even wanted EOF to be 4 o_O <-- I think I know who, the rationale was that 4 is ascii EOT < 1400158055 189768 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I apologize. < 1400158139 793714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1400158152 103911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(APOLOGY ACCEPTED.) < 1400158191 576001 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work :( < 1400158211 132178 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(recursive polymorphic stuff) < 1400158300 711242 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400158308 191809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I need some sort of type classes afterall < 1400158332 114806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE MONADS < 1400158406 852380 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400158415 427832 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400158418 189179 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just defined fib in forth. With a loop, because forth doesn’t seem to do recursion. < 1400158526 265224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.taygeta.com/forth_intro/recurse.htm < 1400158570 342256 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluh, of course they would do it that way. < 1400158760 422517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Forth_Lesson_4#Recursion_and_Chaining which seems to do it in another way again. < 1400159059 786918 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, both of those seem to work in gforth. < 1400159070 912612 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, nortti, would it be within ESOSC's remit to make a lambda calculus standard? < 1400159116 26628 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A template based approach looks like it works < 1400159126 600008 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you define the function with generic arguments < 1400159132 718647 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you define one with conceret types < 1400159154 189079 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what would it do? < 1400159174 311668 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/kmaam6fQ <_ You define the implementation first < 1400159190 694588 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and :: copies the implementation and sets a concrete type signature < 1400159216 94416 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, just a standardized syntax and semantics for Lambda Calculus < 1400159231 166269 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't those already? < 1400159281 977417 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you mean "ascii" syntax? < 1400159310 419438 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e ^x.f x vs \x.f x vs whatever notation people use too < 1400159316 848300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I was thinking Unicode with an ascii fallback < 1400159344 833410 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that kinda standardized to use the lambda symbol? < 1400159373 560661 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP seems to use lambda at least < 1400159395 965870 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and untyped lambda calculus? < 1400159398 262052 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to be clear? < 1400159459 679222 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+03BB with 0x5C as fallback < 1400159464 132613 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, untyped lambda calculus < 1400159684 185759 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 0x5C < 1400159685 351602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\\' < 1400159796 434695 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far most I've seen is usually in the form of \fxy.fyx or λfxy.fyx < 1400159836 216065 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how many times you'd need more than ['a'..'z'] < 1400159916 676464 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wdbkkloqsikklkfm JOIN :#esoteric < 1400159996 236254 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/7eBWlWD3 < 1400160013 556284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious what kind of stuff I can solely do with the type system o_O < 1400160046 947473 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can do at least one :- -> A; inc :- A -> A A; dec :- A A -> A; < 1400160075 556941 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to figure out if I can write a compare function only with the type system < 1400160101 588593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not :( < 1400160109 289624 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would I distinguish numbers < 1400160279 518331 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400161799 750002 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I can put it to the upcoming drafts ;) < 1400161898 640314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39518&oldid=39179 5* 03Maxdefolsch 5* (+1028) 10/* My optimizing interpreter again */ new section < 1400162254 60939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He better make it a standard conform bf interpreter! < 1400162485 789438 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts 33 as EOF < 1400162511 762207 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And + applied to 98 jumps to 136 < 1400162737 954375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 33 < 1400162738 139565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : '!' < 1400162775 638856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: but that usually applies to reading the program, not its input... < 1400162884 31188 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will also require balanced + and -! < 1400162894 613250 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it would be anarchy < 1400162959 378600 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :balanced '+' and '-' or balanced '+' and '-!'? < 1400163184 698547 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400163354 134297 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ and - < 1400163397 120197 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400163596 698099 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400164949 417721 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400164979 432704 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400165074 696001 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400165186 340329 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400165374 321746 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400165475 57558 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400165850 463443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Max (Max SendQ exceeded) exceeded < 1400165854 440403 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400165884 572232 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PART :#esoteric < 1400166507 725197 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400166632 155598 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400166727 305434 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400166798 705131 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400166835 402833 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400166973 673884 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: Is +[-] balanced? < 1400166981 389112 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every + has a matching - < 1400166985 919518 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine < 1400167335 201862 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Taneb: There's been an update to NBF btw. (http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/s/2014-2/ESOSC-2014-D2-R4.pdf) < 1400167402 9215 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, should sections 2 and 3 be merged? < 1400167428 357097 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least 3 should be 2.1 < 1400167552 403234 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1400167587 785409 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 -> 2.1 < 1400167766 204466 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that change I'll approve it < 1400167834 422430 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400167924 42300 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400168176 520999 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: seems good, I approve < 1400168193 669381 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the 3 -> 2.1 change < 1400169046 844031 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400169100 433990 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400169109 607627 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400169163 726663 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400169220 32128 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400169295 466572 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400169502 168142 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1400169505 883305 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*change* < 1400169582 17557 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400169897 800726 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400170124 761926 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400170162 804828 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400170326 141580 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400170366 426057 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400170441 514943 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400170476 995975 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400170514 399703 :password2!~password@197.78.155.167 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400170549 347346 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. listed as approved. < 1400170564 312929 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta find a good latex to html tool < 1400170872 566538 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pandoc? < 1400171460 428510 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400173374 835634 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400173379 826593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the output look kinda non funky < 1400173442 594294 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puh < 1400173443 984786 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400173449 504189 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no figure support < 1400173450 527688 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1400173474 983337 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sucky actually < 1400173478 59305 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's better than nothing. < 1400173593 688591 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400173607 382226 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pandoc: http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/s/2014-2/ESOSC-2014-A2.html < 1400173627 23106 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other tool by latex -> rtf + rtf -> html http://eso.mroman.ch/ESOSC/s/2014-1/ESOSC-2014-A1.html < 1400173631 217305 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A1 looks much nicer. < 1400173700 717069 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A2's code is pretty much just pure html < 1400173708 336012 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A1 is ... something < 1400174020 117577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/XeZF free gigs < 1400174032 263486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Extra space" partitions on two conference proceedings USB sticks.) < 1400174233 435962 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400174263 183019 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400174338 799330 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A1 uses `'! Kill it with fire! < 1400174394 315365 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400174403 366665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Icepy 5* 10New user account < 1400174501 53644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Icepy14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39519 5* 03Icepy 5* (+86) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm Icepy. I create esoteric programming languages (made in python), and iOS apps." < 1400176500 771837 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400177784 568150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Why do you wan't a standard about lc? < 1400177787 75776 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*want < 1400178054 53713 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400178079 804918 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400178380 460542 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400178483 708247 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400178712 700221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@text14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39520 5* 03Icepy 5* (+4809) 10Created page with "@text is a programming language created by [[User:Icepy]], and is related to [[!!!Batch]], But has it's own way of interpreting. You don't tell it what to do to get to a certa..." < 1400178821 904359 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no. < 1400179084 956218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39521&oldid=39520 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+28) 10not convinced < 1400179216 415935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we stop putting [citation needed] tags on every bad language it's kinda getting old < 1400179387 514329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:@text14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39522 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+175) 10Created page with "== "programming language" == This isn't a programming language, it's a character set. --~~~~" < 1400179573 832461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39523&oldid=39521 5* 03Icepy 5* (+21) 10 < 1400179606 756818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like a: fight. < 1400179628 832437 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm entertained. < 1400179629 653125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Icepy 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Example.png10]]" < 1400179673 389503 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/images/7/70/Example.png aw yiss < 1400179764 993120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39525&oldid=39523 5* 03Icepy 5* (+9) 10 < 1400179874 712550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39526&oldid=39522 5* 03Ehird 5* (+491) 10/* "programming language" */ re < 1400179964 998266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39527&oldid=39525 5* 03Icepy 5* (-5) 10 < 1400179975 341126 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how shitty the ascii S in esme is. < 1400180950 846737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pretty bad character set < 1400180960 865829 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was just looking at this: http://sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=71233&page=1 < 1400180967 677905 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fifteen toys, games and tools that teach programming" < 1400180967 934139 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as it encodes the values of asci probably with 10times the space requirements < 1400181006 244895 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1400181015 746798 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was 13 I also made esolangs like that < 1400181017 933548 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1400181180 492438 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays I just make crappy languages and mark them as esoteric as a cover up < 1400181447 930585 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a recent BASIC compiler for windows somewhere? < 1400181472 140456 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *real* BASIC. Not some Basic Dialect that has actually nothing to do with Basic except that it doesn't use curly braces < 1400181507 10340 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic that can be spoken of is not the true basic < 1400181541 14367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But REALbasic is all object-oriented and all. < 1400181568 978533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's called Xojo now. < 1400181632 475898 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what sort of esolang IMAGINARYbasic would be < 1400181677 39927 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to imaginaryBASIC but the other way around? < 1400181702 900050 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists? < 1400181732 866275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1400181737 372718 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Haskell < 1400181747 384599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means I can create all sorts of crazy BASIC dialects myself < 1400181794 946572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects a long list < 1400181805 677393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400181810 280905 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's missing CRAZYBASIC < 1400181871 137500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :google seems to refuse to google for crazybasic < 1400181873 768986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've really used more than maybe four or five BASICs. < 1400181918 468336 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be too hard to mock up a BASIC dialect and translate it to C < 1400181933 365779 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could probably even be done just be preprocessor macros < 1400181964 648475 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would just be ugly < 1400181971 834239 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1400181998 83586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a LLVM-based QBasic-wannabe, based on a quick googling. < 1400182015 38320 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qbasic-wannabe? < 1400182035 300877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "tries to be QBasic-compatible", as far as I can tell. < 1400182044 992334 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1400182055 8148 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have line numbers? < 1400182092 701987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39528&oldid=39526 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+507) 10/* "programming language" */ < 1400182095 477246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really tell, it's just a Github readme that I hit. It could be pretty vaporware. < 1400182106 444111 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, doesn't freebasic also have qbasic-emulation mode? < 1400182120 805988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. there's a section heading titled "Implementation Detail", containing only "int/long is directly supported by LLVM, so , no discssiion needed." < 1400182129 979896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might not count as a good sign. < 1400182154 739703 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"discssiion"? < 1400182197 357951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FreeBASIC site claims "high level of support for programs written for QuickBASIC", and QBASIC is a QuickBASIC derivative, so I guess, in a sense. < 1400182255 313451 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1400182292 378117 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't qbasic actually a subset, not a derivative? < 1400182342 977146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's different. I'd guesstimate there's some inconsequential QBasic thing that does not exist as-is in QuickBASIC. < 1400182388 565965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I have a vague feeling I knew of such a feature. < 1400182441 652016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps some difference in the behaviour of CALL ABSOLUTE. < 1400182449 367096 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly remember that qbasic was crap compared to quickbasic < 1400182464 40412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's lacking the compiler and the linker, for one thing. < 1400182557 583839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on some alt.lang.basic posts, I get the impression that QuickBASIC 5 adds a library called "QB" containing "some QBASIC functions/statements that are not part of QB4.5". < 1400182574 831607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuickBASIC 4.5 being the version QBasic was derived from. < 1400182606 54524 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1400182672 760664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuickBASIC, of course, has better ways to do the kind of things that you'd resort to CALL ABSOLUTE in QBasic for. < 1400182701 139157 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, what did call absolute do? call dos funcs? < 1400182720 186951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Transfers control to a machine-language procedure." < 1400182723 615112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gamma.zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html#QEw4MDhh < 1400182753 838685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The example given there (DATA + loop with a POKE + CALL ABSOLUTE) is very typical. < 1400182759 349125 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400182807 445915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :%, is that the suffix for integer variables? < 1400182816 559663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1400182858 948587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :% for integer, & for long, $ for string, ! and # for single- and double-precision floats. < 1400182899 347548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit of a shame that there was something in the QuickBASIC 4.5 manuals that my conversion script (that generated the qbc.html) choked on. (They use mostly the same file format.) < 1400182909 74323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice how "print screen" is a three byte sequence of assembly, I doubt you can do that in three bytes today < 1400183086 408354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think the sigils are optional in QBasic, in the sense that you can "DIM x AS type-keyword" to get an undecorated variable name. < 1400183177 327152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got user-defined types, too. (And optional line numbers.) < 1400183217 891578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does CALL ABSOLUTE put the "arguments" < 1400183290 551569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the C calling convention < 1400183292 346710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the stack, I believe. < 1400183304 383533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad that now I know how to write a JIT compiler in QBasic < 1400183316 363650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "C calling convetion" is a rather flexible term for x86-16 DOS. < 1400183471 370707 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400183526 505779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's say the Microsoft one ;) < 1400183536 641979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not so much a convention as a suggestion" < 1400183552 460814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a nice overview somewhere, but I can never re-find it when I want. < 1400183803 999472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some random ASM-in-QBasic tutorial suggests a callee-cleans-the-stack ("Pascal") convention. < 1400183845 371680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least has a "retf 6" in an example called as Call Absolute (BYVAL x%, BYVAL y%, BYVAL color%, SADD(program$)) < 1400183996 839591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.microsoft.com/kb/51501/EN "DECLARE FUNCTION [ALIAS "aliasname"][CDECL][] -- Basic's calling convention pushes parameters onto the stack in the order in which they appear in the source code. -- This convention also specifies that the stack is restored by the called routine just before returning control to the caller." < 1400184043 645269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently in real QuickBasic you can do either, while QBasic CALL ABSOLUTE only does the one. < 1400184089 192977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's not like you could link in any C libraries either. < 1400184248 195295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadd program < 1400184263 868360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you link C libraries with QuickBasic? < 1400184315 775633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in qbasic you can't, because it doesn't have the compiler and linker < 1400184335 72222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1400184351 409273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The SADD keyword is QuickBasic-only, also.) < 1400184386 581275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it do? < 1400184396 823170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of sad acronyms, here's one from the recent conference. < 1400184406 147498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Augmenting the standard DNN input with the bottleneck feature from a Speaker Aware Deep Neural Network (SADNN) shows a general advantage over the standard DNN based recognition system, --" < 1400184417 924951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400184428 630435 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400184433 927758 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, what < 1400184478 180416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you could probably write your own dynamic loader without too much trouble < 1400184492 336798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SADD has something to do with the offset of a variable (in terms of VARSEG), but I'm not sure how it's different from VARPTR. < 1400184494 191252 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1400184537 538358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the doc example looks at VARSEG but doesn't use it? < 1400184537 803280 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400184554 936486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DEF SEG is "using it". < 1400184594 592827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DEF SEG [=address] -- Sets the current segment address. -- A segment address used by BLOAD, BSAVE, CALL ABSOLUTE, PEEK, or POKE; --" < 1400184619 494931 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly, this takes me back. qbasic was the first language i pretended to learn < 1400184634 560880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400184638 259210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for global variables < 1400184658 930942 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably goes and sets es directly < 1400184671 329497 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400184682 353077 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something? dunno < 1400184733 771406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GW-BASIC was probably my first language. Either that or some quirky DOS Prolog implementation, I forget the order.) < 1400184793 396270 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400184799 5047 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started out in quickbasic 4.5, I remember the compiler was great at making bikes and other silly patterns appear on the screen faster < 1400184868 899616 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still uses FreeBASIC occasionally. < 1400184895 251772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making Bikes appear faster. < 1400185168 40361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a little bit of TI-BASIC, which was great at making silly patterns appear on the screen slower. < 1400185287 67 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1400185312 488769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you were quite slow to appear now, would you mind compiling yourself? < 1400185340 3909 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to learn grafix later was confusing, i was like "whoa i can't toggle pixels??" < 1400185440 766476 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-50-112-124-255.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the UI for a chess program in TI-BASIC < 1400185667 636688 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sick < 1400185683 153906 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1400185800 623644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39529&oldid=39527 5* 03Tailcalled 5* (+29) 10 < 1400185940 652727 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1400186135 492205 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty crappy language imo < 1400186174 149145 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: is there any other twodimensional language besides rail that has functions? < 1400186570 113481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't befunge sort of have them? < 1400186607 534352 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1400186609 539277 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function is just a route you put the IP on < 1400186638 634244 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNUSP has them < 1400187314 596572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 with SUBR has them. < 1400187356 954351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some ad-hoc "Befunge with functions" things. < 1400187400 160100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Funciton possibly counts as two-dimensional too, and has functions. < 1400187481 798495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Recurse. < 1400187486 493280 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funciton looks awesome < 1400187565 244943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has a couple of "functions" in the "code flow comes in from multiple sources, and returns based on an integer index pushed before the 'call'" sense. < 1400187565 429934 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: games due out november i think < 1400187677 40031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the rightmost columns on lines 225-227, 231-236 and 258-263 of https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 test for a "return address" of 0/1/2. < 1400187677 187853 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there was more than 100 people on board, three indeed died. keep in mind that this was a low speed as he does have an incredible singing talent! < 1400187720 17662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the "parse this program" routine, as called by ^bf, ^ul and ^def. < 1400187752 521258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400188313 826303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def tmp bf ,[.,]!what did < 1400188313 973437 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1400188317 448138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^tmp this do < 1400188317 595441 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this do < 1400188321 447332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^tmp < 1400188331 272226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ignored, I guess. < 1400188339 79267 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wdbkkloqsikklkfm QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400188379 723520 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hnzjzyypjuvzrkwo QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400188884 337089 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400188975 301614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he who makes a fungot of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man < 1400188975 448700 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nonono... so i guess < 1400189014 295879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it pretty painless to be a fungot? < 1400189014 443224 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that was so funny! < 1400189044 700424 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqzryhjvcozsmppm JOIN :#esoteric < 1400189131 455586 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400189249 926081 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400189435 437393 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400190065 139895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400190073 585715 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1400190077 426595 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gduojzfdssprwrlr JOIN :#esoteric < 1400190203 363191 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400190599 158235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always amusing whenever pine opens my inbox with "0 messages" < 1400190626 460764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was a server upgrade. the file is actually there, but pine doesn't find it for some reason.) < 1400190634 788374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *alpine < 1400190680 230499 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gduojzfdssprwrlr QUIT :Changing host < 1400190680 377764 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1400190680 532055 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1400190680 679458 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gduojzfdssprwrlr JOIN :#esoteric < 1400190714 723173 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gduojzfdssprwrlr NICK :ggherdov < 1400190722 655947 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400190894 782040 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400190927 31391 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400190967 228887 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being on a bike causes front winds. < 1400191012 388650 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1400191012 577489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ said 10h 52m 33s ago: no. < 1400191059 901588 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400191064 592053 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1400191065 210 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 152100Z 15022G34KT 15SM FEW080 BKN220 27/17 A2990 RMK ACC1CI6 SLP125 DENSITY ALT 1500FT < 1400191088 989611 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400191207 877307 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400191209 927598 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PART #esoteric :"Poulet!" < 1400191224 58133 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-glegolxijlwouktn JOIN :#esoteric < 1400191230 787090 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400191304 518635 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/803/1*uJH6MbrCqIW-kgh1liY4ZQ.jpeg < 1400191361 93537 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. < 1400191800 427599 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I get it! < 1400191879 752541 :nooodl_!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400191923 631900 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Materiel", are they trying to appeal to a military audience? < 1400191951 263465 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a DoD diagram. so, uh, yes. < 1400191963 231470 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is materiel in a military context? < 1400191970 635146 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff. < 1400191981 153313 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guns, mostly < 1400192006 528954 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :militaries use the term in english as distinct from "material". < 1400192018 776304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materiel may help < 1400192024 467541 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, who knows, we didn't use enough loanwords from french. < 1400192039 693100 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vive le français! :D < 1400192048 544768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible! < 1400192085 843653 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how could we make 'lieutenant' even harder to spell" < 1400192091 918080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From Old French impossible, from Latin impossibilis [...]) < 1400192105 906860 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400192151 105633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: add an accent or two, perhaps? < 1400192152 462591 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr:lieu → en:place; fr:tenant → en:holding. < 1400192188 767048 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a position. < 1400192203 432713 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one who holds the position. < 1400192216 75520 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :military rank used to be tied to economic status. lieutenants were landholders. < 1400192224 120791 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"used to be" insert cynicism here < 1400192289 190420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : the military is a firm believer in equal opportunities, certainly < 1400192326 128820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall not doing that was one of the reasons the prussian army was so powerful. < 1400192341 985183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "moltke! " < 1400192343 241764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "moltke! moltke! moltke! moltke! moltke! moltke! moltke! moltke! moltke! mol... < 1400192355 684223 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400192356 562015 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck moltke < 1400192357 75830 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1400192371 58766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that _is_ shocking < 1400192388 721424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: relatedly the prussian public school system was introduced for producing better recruits < 1400192388 969990 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck helmuth von moltke < 1400192389 162319 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1400192396 930961 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! < 1400192397 750173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_von_Moltke_the_Elder < 1400192414 110340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia: you are disappointing us < 1400192419 591993 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck prussia < 1400192419 739140 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A center of population, commerce, and culture; a town of significant size and importance. < 1400192430 142726 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, what < 1400192441 380956 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION therapeutically *MAPOLES* his bot < 1400192481 559486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck bike < 1400192481 744965 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike definition: '''chiefly Scottish''' a nest of wild bees, wasps, or hornets. < 1400192489 274240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1400192494 404175 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember that one < 1400192504 345230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not seen it before < 1400192533 320198 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck int < 1400192533 468392 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int definition: intelligence. < 1400192549 842378 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. at least my bot has a sane definition for “int”, so all is not lost! < 1400192561 348097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's the rpg definition < 1400192567 394427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck dex < 1400192567 595453 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dex definition: the sulfate of dextroamphetamine. < 1400192572 635977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck wis < 1400192572 847343 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wis definition: '''archaic''' know. < 1400192579 731346 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck chr < 1400192579 931276 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canine hypoxic rhabdomyolysis. < 1400192580 963095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck sta < 1400192581 222800 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sta definition: station. < 1400192583 399944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very consistent here < 1400192589 759037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck cha < 1400192589 981135 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tea; - the Chinese name, used generally in early works of travel, and now for a kind of rolled tea used in Central Asia. < 1400192602 933666 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :chr? cha? hmm. < 1400192613 386687 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck con < 1400192613 581984 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :con definition: to commit to memory. < 1400192613 729930 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the mapoling was effective ^^ < 1400192619 334194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?! < 1400192636 522706 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats his bot. “good bot. continue to be fungottian.” < 1400192636 670161 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what the hell out when i saw the fists does that have to say more unique and sexy about her, i'm a big rc jet no pilots aboard, it doens't mean it now suddenly becomes true. < 1400192638 141463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck san < 1400192638 330975 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A member of a traditionally nomadic hunting people of southwest Africa. < 1400192639 273728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what a "con man" is then. < 1400192649 929040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck con man < 1400192650 141590 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1400192653 803292 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck man < 1400192654 23609 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man definition: an individual human; '''especially'''. < 1400192660 403753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck duck < 1400192660 642425 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck definition: any of various swimming birds (family Anatidae, the duck family) in which the neck and legs are short, the feet typically webbed, the bill often broad and flat, and the sexes usually different from each other in plumage. < 1400192671 766364 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a man is one metric human. < 1400192672 260531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not a material component" < 1400192703 981491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the few IWC strips that I remember) < 1400192730 427666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400192759 543034 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400192807 736520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(link: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/435.html ) < 1400192913 174826 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck IWC < 1400192913 403344 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1400192939 824467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck NSA < 1400192940 73187 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsa definition: National Security Agency. < 1400192989 920488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck wic < 1400192990 188084 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1400192995 223872 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck WIC < 1400192995 484543 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1400192998 491862 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some weak ass shit here < 1400193007 74828 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck hth < 1400193007 269065 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1400193013 908718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1400193014 56003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1400193015 234698 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy. fungot. of. doom. < 1400193015 381942 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well it's about time it was < 1400193034 128329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no boily what have you summoned < 1400193046 151346 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hyperventilates < 1400193057 910554 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wow.zamimg.com/images/hearthstone/cards/enus/animated/GAME_005_premium.gif < 1400193058 58069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?v < 1400193058 362395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\" < 1400193061 324207 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this art < 1400193063 949584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would ~duck answer in tabs? < 1400193073 358792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fix show < 1400193073 792540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: fix: not found < 1400193076 781208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix show < 1400193077 969078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1400193170 772813 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the query was “>> :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck hth”, and the answer was “<< PRIVMSG #esoteric : \r\n”. < 1400193210 758359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the reply contained two tab characters, which got lost in your cut&paste. < 1400193260 878570 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't keep tab on tabs. < 1400193262 778157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not lost, but expanded, is my guess) < 1400193625 77012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show "" < 1400193626 214308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\"" < 1400193634 754637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1400193751 997897 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show "" < 1400193753 91868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:7: < 1400193753 239091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '\ETX' < 1400193793 430695 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9_9 < 1400193799 600191 :nooodl_!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1400193837 534911 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what are nine-eyes? < 1400193837 719344 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what is his vocal range. another youtube famous counter tenor. it is completely electrical. the first time i've seen too many cocks in his grave. what the fuck < 1400193868 292319 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: stop making auditive eyes, you are disturbing fungot. < 1400193868 477760 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh goddd. xd he has really bad diction the < 1400193917 504123 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-farkvoqgxuvyjtyl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400194718 542770 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400196234 750280 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400196260 686186 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400196794 80173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye boily :( < 1400196816 586872 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400196957 412388 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my modem is overheating... < 1400197101 993166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad times < 1400197251 988291 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1400197398 362421 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia! < 1400197489 496876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you took metasepia away :( < 1400197686 414316 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. let me remetasepify the channel! < 1400197705 158501 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400197709 36794 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL < 1400197709 209330 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 152252Z 31014G22KT 10SM SCT040 16/08 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP152 T01610083 < 1400197762 708293 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. very strange. < 1400197767 26071 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1400197767 546513 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 152300Z 15023G32KT 15SM FEW080 BKN200 26/17 A2991 RMK AC1CI7 AC TR SLP130 DENSITY ALT 1300FT < 1400197782 162009 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten degrees hotter here than in Atlanta. indeed strange. < 1400197823 652851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400197874 450839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had 100% chance of rain today < 1400197884 472076 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't rain most of the day < 1400197903 84279 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stopped in the morning < 1400197983 30754 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be miserable up there < 1400197996 420052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey boily can you find me a job < 1400198165 560686 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was windy as fungot when I cycled home. < 1400198182 72071 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, but only if you have a Canadian passport ^^ < 1400198306 30387 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight's ride: https://goo.gl/maps/zYcZN < 1400198352 50607 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(customized by foot, because Google is [REDACTED] stupid when it comes to bike paths.) < 1400198429 270325 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400198458 151788 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400198930 974847 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could apply for a visa < 1400199140 689255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.2.5.4.21 The "after frameset" insertion mode < 1400199140 837135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.2.5.4.23 The "after after frameset" insertion mode < 1400199164 803864 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1400199182 502521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikr < 1400199319 156460 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume 12.2.5.4.22 is before after after frameset. < 1400199492 287586 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you don't need a visa. I tried the online «permis de travail» form, and apparently «Selon vos réponses, il semble que vous ne puissiez pas immigrer au Canada à l'heure actuelle dans le cadre d'un programme fédéral.» < 1400199505 635787 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(based upon very guesstimaty answers to the form) < 1400199546 957192 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what kind of frameset are you looking at technical documentation of exactly? < 1400199832 53329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: translate please < 1400199900 452073 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heh.fi/tmp/hacker_evolution_steam_sale_20140516.png http://store.steampowered.com/sub/17602/ < 1400199916 196179 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: “According to you answers, it seems that you can't immigrate to Canada today with respect to a federal programme.” < 1400199926 969725 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/u a/ur a/ < 1400199960 165986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in others words.. it just can't happen < 1400200025 30252 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, very, very random answers. the only one I am certain of is that you're America. < 1400200033 255498 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a\./an./ < 1400200042 851133 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dammit. can't type tonight.) < 1400200089 960533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tree-construction.html#parsing-main-afterframeset < 1400200095 826876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it easier for aussies? < 1400200150 667539 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'est aussie facile pour eux! < 1400200171 932082 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1400200172 117401 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes. I hate myself. sorry for that very stupid pun.) < 1400200201 231581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know an aussie who got a work visa and a canadian job < 1400200211 670134 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: uuuuuuurgh... < 1400200241 558105 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maybe you need to multiclass? become an Australian/Canadian ranger? < 1400200304 267125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one with three races could have reasonable abilties < 1400200319 19562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much sacrifice < 1400200635 258315 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go Pratchett, and then blissfully fall into a deserved coma. < 1400200642 536497 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PNEUMATIC CHICKEN < 1400200644 548080 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400201613 542167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn borrowchecker why can't you be a little smarter < 1400201799 960941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Owhelgossip14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39530 5* 0369.118.178.143 5* (+548) 10Created page with "== OwhelGossip == ::OwhelGossip also Owhel or maybe OwhelG. O OwhelGossip is best explained in a poem, ''The owl gossiped to the bat,'' ''The bat gossiped to bird1,'' ''Bird1..." < 1400201894 465912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Owhelgossip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39531&oldid=39530 5* 0369.118.178.143 5* (-17) 10/* OwhelGossip */ < 1400201936 963517 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Owhelgossip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39532&oldid=39531 5* 0369.118.178.143 5* (-1) 10 < 1400202118 43008 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-glegolxijlwouktn QUIT : < 1400202181 459763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39533&oldid=39487 5* 0369.118.178.143 5* (+18) 10/* O */ < 1400202245 30548 :nooodl!~nooodl@165.101-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400202536 750462 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400202547 704168 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400203091 692528 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-235-239.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400203198 147997 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-48-189.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400205342 531440 :Daniel3920!~canaima@190.78.136.158 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400206061 769733 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400206087 48978 :Daniel3920!~canaima@190.78.136.158 PART :#esoteric < 1400206675 358462 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400206742 453237 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400207224 607383 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400207238 401406 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400208628 473419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400208684 62189 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqzryhjvcozsmppm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400208851 365963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is hacker about < 1400208899 361409 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-48-189.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is exploit formed < 1400208911 911339 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the game series < 1400209198 522972 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-48-189.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400209202 17287 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400209657 643448 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaat how have i never seen this before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYSQKc6z_dY < 1400209667 911092 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1400209688 799617 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400210381 985073 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400210635 991113 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1400210803 364844 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400210924 985687 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400210958 819832 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400211209 800028 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400212190 601545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1400212529 814557 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400213001 716430 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400213060 830213 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Magic the Gathering cards have use only in combinations or as a mind game to make opponent think you have such a combination? < 1400213072 994671 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancient Watcher is such a card in Hearthstone: http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/153-ancient-watcher < 1400213107 752526 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400213176 974910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have partially made up some new kind of programming language by writing it on a paper. One example code can be: [z/a,b] cut ([x] z (left x) (right x)) ([x] split x ([y] init y b) ([y] init a y)) Let's see if you know this one. < 1400213183 644657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud < 1400213183 791864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar said 4d 17h 48m 50s ago: I also made it strip its nick off the front of a line independently of any other interpretation. < 1400213192 395040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1400213291 771676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out what this program does? < 1400213308 121522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints "hello world" to standard output < 1400213314 97315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1400213328 374340 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ran it and that's what it does. < 1400213343 965887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact, it is not a complete program; that is what the [z/ at the front means.) < 1400213356 443519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what if it's undefined behavior < 1400213376 52538 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo doesn't seem like the type to leave things underdefined < 1400213417 250142 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400213449 398297 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or undefined at all, really. < 1400213471 692777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Black-C have UB? < 1400213475 376299 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk0bgynFA1Y < 1400213517 369222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Many of the same things as C are still UB (although not quite all) < 1400213548 885392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1400213552 770745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones changed? < 1400213564 879279 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero length arrays, < 1400213596 208500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sign conversion is one < 1400214114 729399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give a hint relating to this programming language, which is: There aren't any first-class functions, although it does have first-class continuations. < 1400214134 934214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there is no syntax for continuations because it is implicit. < 1400214255 263822 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what this program does <:@#:#$@<<@>$@@ < 1400214272 233929 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a language i made up and there is no information available on it, but guess what it does < 1400214309 116261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it copying input to output, or reversing the input, or something like that? < 1400214314 36715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a hint? < 1400214324 419270 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does nothing because < is a comment < 1400214332 957434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1400214345 544172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the comment finished? < 1400214351 75524 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF < 1400214361 941913 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language does nothing too < 1400214747 278674 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes an implementation: < 1400214764 231736 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%%\n.* /* */%% < 1400214768 752499 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1400214770 669799 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%%\n.* /* */\n%% < 1400214960 765648 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400214982 429807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you what mine is meaning too. If you have two types called X and Y, and a program that would receive a continuation accepting a Y and returns a continuation accepting a X, then this program will receive X and result in Y. < 1400215085 771890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What programming language is the implementation? < 1400215092 528464 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lex. < 1400215166 684093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I don't know programming with Lex so well < 1400215608 560560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do many computer pinball games activate tilt if you bump the table too often, and some do it differently (such as not activating tilt at all (as in Pokemon Pinball), or if you hold down the bump button for too long (as in Microsoft Space Cadet Pinball))? < 1400215637 286258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make number theory out of linear logic? < 1400215706 839089 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, in actual pinball machines the tilt sensor is a weight that connects when you shake the machine < 1400215716 579134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: I know. < 1400215749 788990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is to avoid bumping it too hard, not too often. < 1400215776 621622 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these questions related < 1400215784 415139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they are two different questions < 1400215813 382445 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the diff is probably that in a computer pinball game you're playing with keys which are 1 or 0, opposed to moving a machine which you would have a lot of control over how much you shake it < 1400215815 171493 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no point then < 1400215828 928580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: I know that < 1400215843 970002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, if you use Wii remotes or whatever, then you could control how much) < 1400215847 340608 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. you cant hit the bump key hard or soft < 1400215910 610831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if using the keyboard, even then activating tilt simply if you bump the table too often doesn't seems works; you could decrease the strength of it in the program, or do how Microsoft did and make it harder if you hold down the keys too long < 1400215948 545368 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i think hitting a key multiple times is similar to shaking the machine hard as opposed to softly < 1400215966 482574 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsofts way makes sense too < 1400215989 984763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, although the implementation doesn't generally actually make it harder when pushing the key many times in succession < 1400216015 79096 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but you're still trying to map digital inputs to analog behavior < 1400216045 417518 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its not gonna be prefect < 1400216049 824499 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfcet < 1400216107 329102 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft pinball is otherwise very rigorous. < 1400216167 176433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't like the most common way (pushing the key many times in succession), mainly because I like to bump the table a lot < 1400216239 432861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when playing Microsoft's implementation, I push the keys as if it is on fire (an analogy I read in a book about mechanical typewriters) < 1400216814 815959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do pinball games on mobile devices use the accelerometer for tilt detection? < 1400218636 214888 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes JOIN :#esoteric < 1400218878 325010 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you figured out I'm currently obsessed with Heartstone, Google. But does it really make sense to advertise to me a game I'm already playing? < 1400218891 410849 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it can't really determine that I am playing, and not just vaguely interested < 1400219075 510504 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric : smoke < 1400219528 702920 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :open this with the tor browsing bundle https://uhduwxhlcqxbfq5k.onion < 1400219552 450568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehayes: what is it? < 1400219575 518345 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a copyrighted ebook currently not available on the public internet < 1400219586 379220 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warez < 1400219593 212278 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a good thing to post unprompted < 1400219636 158392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, tor2web.org seems to be even slower than actual Tor. < 1400219650 650648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just broken < 1400219679 907974 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor2web didn't resolve it (or any other .onion sites I've tried) for me < 1400219690 146908 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's maintained anymore < 1400219705 118075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what is it actually? < 1400219779 591940 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell if i know < 1400219836 199490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs. this is just a ploy to get me to install Tor. < 1400219866 67951 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't have tor, i'm just going off of "a copyrighted ebook". < 1400219871 956328 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to disable javascript before you visit it < 1400219900 43555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tor bundle ships with javascript enabled...? < 1400219909 44777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless, that's not the most reassuring thing you've said... < 1400219918 289599 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i'm really excited to view this mystery site < 1400219919 85107 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, one of the stranger things they've done recently < 1400219951 31430 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you just tell us what it is rather than posting shady links with no context or prompting < 1400220036 300491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need a Tor browsing bundle, or can you add Tor into the TCP/IP driver and DNS driver? < 1400220043 38442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, nice, I get a self-signed certificate warning < 1400220058 747335 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400220061 236663 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it porn < 1400220068 464505 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, it isn't < 1400220087 558558 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tor is a daemon running on top of TCP/IP < 1400220096 41802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi, if this isn't to do with esolangs I'm going to ban you for putting me through this fuss. < 1400220104 305741 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is it, jesus christ < 1400220118 385938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fizz - Nothing is as it seems < 1400220119 77052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A novel centered around the history of physics. It tells the story of a young woman from the future named Fizz, who time travels to meet physicists such as Aristotle, Galileo, Newton and Einstein, and discuss their work. < 1400220123 321211 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's dog porn, that oughta be a ban < 1400220123 468531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you serious < 1400220125 886395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehayes: Then why do you need a Tor browsing bundle too? < 1400220130 445482 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds like dog porn < 1400220143 182436 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tor bundled a browser to aid users get online more easily < 1400220156 348689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd better have a really good explanation for this, ehayes. < 1400220160 446558 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it isn't mandatory, but it is convenient < 1400220239 965233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how many channels have you linked this in? do you realise it's against freenode guidelines? admittedly, I am only tempted to whine to #freenode because it was such a disappointment. < 1400220288 166646 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just #esoteric and #tor < 1400220296 58598 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is tor related, and esoteric < 1400220297 105157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is helpful if you are trying to access webpages on Tor even though you do not already have a web browser program, I suppose, but howelse? < 1400220320 461025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer a printed book anyways < 1400220323 996061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic of this channel is esoteric programming languages. < 1400220325 739397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is esoteric about a warez site with exactly one random crappy scifi ebook < 1400220351 810390 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tor related in much the same way it is internet related, so go bother ICANN < 1400220359 665752 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the fact that there is only one makes it highly suspect < 1400220371 567158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this an ARG < 1400220375 918962 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my mistake < 1400220376 504063 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. we are highly suspecting you. < 1400220385 228002 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do this to people. < 1400220403 553333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah this is pretty good < 1400220409 20286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more entertaining than 99% of this channel < 1400220415 634270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know it's called the Ducknet < 1400220418 894404 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brune < 1400220457 11251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can make up a intiutionistic logic and a classical logic using linear logic, but what other logic can you make out of a linear logic? Can it include a numerical logic? < 1400220458 256247 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400220465 237880 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think @text implementation is actually broken? < 1400220468 264640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is numerical logic? < 1400220473 160203 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. < 1400220478 482063 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are square brackets around @ < 1400220483 666325 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm. < 1400220488 814638 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehayes, i have a copy of a better boot - "creation: life and how to make it" by steve grand (creatures franchise) < 1400220493 60211 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehayes, want it? < 1400220505 933566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should upload it to Ducknet Hosting < 1400220508 973856 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: no, but I will investigate the server hosting it < 1400220513 384437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for a reliable, secure, and discreet host for your stolen content? Well look no further. Here be Ducknet Hosting, the followup to Not Ducknet Hosting < 1400220545 805412 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehayes, it would be my dropbox, i searched for this book for weeks then ended up meeting someone who scanned their copy < 1400220546 527263 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not seeing the duck connection (ducknection) < 1400220550 543138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is this like some incredibly cryptic way for you to say you suspect this site of having more to it than is obvious, without actually saying that for whatever reason, or giving anything more than that < 1400220570 898574 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open this link http://goo.gl/8Yma7Q < 1400220574 611566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I have to download the epub to view the mysteries. < 1400220583 51368 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: no, and no offense intended in that < 1400220602 31941 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: OK < 1400220605 955831 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what is it? < 1400220614 955677 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what indeed could it be < 1400220619 552828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean such numerical logics as Typographical Number Theory and so on < 1400220671 514228 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehayes: it's a thing... < 1400220677 85631 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: also, if you already have a copy up i'll take one < 1400220720 238526 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: oh alright < 1400220783 855588 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a paper copy of the Steve Grand book :-) Also a few others. The best overview is probably in Artificial Life by Steven Levy. < 1400220806 841122 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at your link "In May 1984 A K Dewdney introduced Core War, a game played between two or more computer programs in the memory of a virtual computer. The aim of the game is to disable all opponents and survive the longest. A variety of strategies have evolved for Core War, each with their own strengths and weaknesses." < 1400220818 755484 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :intriguing < 1400221033 874904 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, https://www.dropbox.com/s/r24qbb0b6601dri/Creation%20Life%20and%20How%20to%20Make%20it.pdf < 1400221039 407870 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehayes: Oh, someone clicked! Lucky for you I didn't link something like this http://goo.gl/6SDxwv < 1400221057 373090 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is that, impomatic? < 1400221060 876471 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will click on anything < 1400221067 650888 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grew up on this internet shit, bring it on < 1400221068 11765 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much obliged. this will go well with my three hundred dollar orgo textbook < 1400221070 37627 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: that is my weakness, yes < 1400221089 987419 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, whats orgo < 1400221098 389340 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehayes: it's a video thing... < 1400221099 335540 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :organic chemistry. < 1400221099 644349 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 < 1400221109 726985 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400221196 606240 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400221213 588082 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :life, organic, it's a joke, see. < 1400221228 145595 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha? < 1400221239 482292 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn right, fucker. < 1400221377 721671 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1400221453 750594 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400221637 3270 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo;l < 1400221715 954501 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-141.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400221749 822251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming language I partially made up is based on a LK sequent calculus; the commands correspond to the rules it has, each rule then has an effect defined for its meaning. The impliciation rules are omitted, and the negation rules and structural rules are made implicit. < 1400221768 218330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, therefore allow you to understand this program I wrote < 1400221937 393847 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400222109 491314 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400222216 709209 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400223233 27299 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm going to go through and "friend" everybody who isn't on their own friends list" < 1400223250 655222 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[quip about failing Introduction to Set Theory redacted] < 1400223273 766659 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what she described should work... she's not automatically unfriending people who later become on their own friends list < 1400223287 229541 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So she's not on her own friend list, she friends herself, tada < 1400223648 152515 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400223884 213232 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400223896 2367 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400224226 890963 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400224293 309348 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400225175 442742 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400225372 646604 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: QUIT : < 1400226386 760760 :ehayes!~ehayes@gateway/tor-sasl/ehayes QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1400228122 464318 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400228628 349971 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400229079 225965 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to express SK combinator calculus as a cellular automaton in a weird dimension? < 1400229098 732499 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well both are TC so I guess? < 1400229115 690191 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1400229119 876225 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean phrasing SK as a CA < 1400229123 834125 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1400229125 467699 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1400229135 667326 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not in one step < 1400229144 106905 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400229144 254323 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400229151 370154 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because SK combinators can grow in size < 1400229167 162703 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fill the tape to the left with ` and to the right with i, it will be fine < 1400229175 946113 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do you grow the middle part < 1400229197 940903 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like say, ```ssss < 1400229201 64774 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Althoug < 1400229219 26603 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe you could use intermediary combinators? < 1400229226 409895 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a really weird dimension, I was thinking a dimension shaped like a binary tree < 1400229235 62636 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1400229244 640908 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can express combinators as trees, yes < 1400229245 314700 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although by that point it's not really a cellular automaton < 1400229325 483940 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess my question is meaningless? < 1400229374 163185 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps! < 1400229442 752265 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cp4space.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/ski-calculus.png < 1400229479 469902 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's basically what I was thinking of < 1400230998 711315 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@nat3.scc.kit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400230998 858481 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@nat3.scc.kit.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1400231148 823320 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :``S``CB`WI``CB`WI < 1400231149 310910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `S``CB`WI``CB`WI: not found < 1400231174 181625 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using my great knowledge of combinators, that's the shortest fixed point operator I can think of < 1400231205 402321 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the Turing combinator < 1400231216 361800 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1400231220 652912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating. < 1400231244 346098 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why < 1400231249 938471 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You used C and B and W! < 1400231254 459460 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also cheating < 1400231264 522823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and B and W aren't in themselves fixed point operators. < 1400231301 977959 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why not use the constituant combinators of the Turing combinator < 1400231305 386223 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(λx. λy. (y (x x y))) (λx. λy. (y (x x y))) < 1400231317 231519 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use (λx. λy. (y (x x y))) < 1400231323 377490 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not fixed point by itself! < 1400231389 631907 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an option, yes < 1400231409 382955 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm avoiding combinators with lambdas on the RHS < 1400231410 648057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1400231474 524923 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you should use the best language < 1400231482 927177 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lazy_Bird < 1400231553 478302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has combinators with lambdas on the RHS! < 1400231594 202467 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BEST < 1400231611 627698 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's compact! < 1400232094 92880 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus < 1400232111 193219 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :is something that nerds made up, similar to quantum mechanics, to make themselves look smarter than normies < 1400233064 972247 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400234057 248991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400234442 23607 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't even subtle about it, some of them fabricate facts in "lie groups" < 1400234592 221301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just pivoted a 1920x1200 monitor, and it looks ridiculously tall, compared to what I've gotten used to. < 1400234618 337249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We moved to a different office, and while packing things up, noticed the monitor can pivot.) < 1400234650 670484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many 80-character-wide text-files can be fit side by side on that? < 1400234652 858704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2, I guess < 1400234656 109552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:3 turned into 3:4 didn't feel this silly at all, but this 16:10 to 10:16 just feels weird. < 1400234673 711763 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/rXpH5xd.jpg typed lambda calculus < 1400234690 614167 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb : Welcome to the 1950's < 1400234690 761408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :170x143 (170 columns, 143 rows) seems to be the size of a terminal window. < 1400234819 249340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1400234823 404209 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400235030 893101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether there would be a market for sqrt(2):1 screens < 1400235057 273686 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for viewing A4 documents full-size? < 1400235069 237731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, yes < 1400235101 737536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... somewhere between 4:3 and 3:2, I guess. < 1400235106 462299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, I'm happy with having them scaled a bit, as long as the aspect ratio is sane. < 1400235108 199243 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, A3 would be 50% size :-) < 1400235126 417165 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want room for a toolbar < 1400235145 480891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but A4 would be a small screen by today's standards < 1400235159 206760 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps ok for a tablet < 1400235160 670584 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e : How do you get 0.41 pixels < 1400235176 859653 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400235201 7211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: you can make the pixels slightly non-square. it worked for CGA ;-) < 1400235260 167125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously? what I had in mind was a resolution like 2000x1414 < 1400235280 840897 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my laptop screen is smaller than A4 < 1400235294 317789 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well < 1400235297 8635 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it a netbook sometimes < 1400235315 992556 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop is basically what you get if you wanted to make a netbook, except it had to be powerful enough to run Windows < 1400235330 345847 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1400235336 473510 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400235342 660683 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:14] int-e: my laptop screen is smaller than A4 < 1400235344 115571 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:14] or, well < 1400235345 616590 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:14] I call it a netbook sometimes < 1400235347 117401 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:15] my laptop is basically what you get if you wanted to make a netbook, except it had to be powerful enough to run Windows < 1400235363 15111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We saw that, actually. < 1400235415 201771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think our (the research group) new "demo"/borrow-for-miscellaneous-purposes laptop is something reasonably small. < 1400235524 610433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :13.3" diagonal, apparently. < 1400235532 797135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A4 is something like 14.3. < 1400235562 897388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (210*210 + 297*297) / 25.4 < 1400235564 321472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14.320592172068876 < 1400235566 8957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Owhelgossip14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39534 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+377) 10Created page with "== help == I read the explanatory poem but still can't understand the program. Both the poem and the program seem to have the same initial and final term, so I surmise that w..." < 1400235574 613429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out I had the ribbon in my typewriter wrong all this time < 1400235602 704523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's this Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro thing.) < 1400235688 247200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3200x1800 screen, which for some reason or another is called "QHD+". The display resolution abbreviations are ridiculous. < 1400235832 240449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says the "proper" name for 3200x1800 is "WQXGA+" instead. < 1400235949 995754 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (99/70, sqrt 2) < 1400235951 422244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1.4142857142857144,1.4142135623730951) < 1400236021 146439 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1584/1260 < 1400236022 740432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.2571428571428571 < 1400236035 914651 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION exclaims “WHUXGA!” while doing wild kung fu moves < 1400236037 395872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1584/1120 < 1400236038 774754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.4142857142857144 < 1400236066 620812 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally want a A4-size tablet, I think. For putting on my music stand so I don’t have to carry around binders. < 1400236118 642605 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1400236125 242472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1400236125 426377 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1400236125 805306 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1400236126 33188 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/<  c.c /'\ /< |   |    /´\ c.c /'\    |     >\|/'\ c.c /| < 1400236126 803921 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               (_|¯'¯|_)              /´\ < 1400236126 989736 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                    (_| |_) < 1400236148 425840 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1400236154 407272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400236241 476083 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: that thing is A4 → http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88 < 1400236297 338779 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screen isn’t. < 1400236328 825495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's some hope: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26818112 < 1400236432 26273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP has that 21.5" tablet. < 1400236457 193365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, why have people started to report crap like "it has 4GB of internal storage" without saying how much of that is RAM... < 1400236463 632320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ads/slate-21/overview.html < 1400236490 844924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they call it "All-in-One Touchscreen Desktop" now, but I think I saw it referred to as a tablet somewhere. < 1400236551 988553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the size of an A3, I guess. < 1400236563 957601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's 16:9 < 1400236571 212458 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That thing looks excellent for my purposes, but expensive. < 1400236575 305608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right. < 1400236610 765365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: right. < 1400236612 566055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the impression that lawyers and such were the target audience for the Sony thing. < 1400236734 58457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: The vague hope that I have now is that they will prove that there is a market for such devices and then attract competitors to the niche. < 1400236777 275759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the phrase "touchscreen desktop" < 1400236834 992584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like what Microsoft Surface was before they reused the word for tablets. < 1400236852 895709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And renamed it PixelSense.) < 1400236860 275072 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Let’s hope together. < 1400237035 551058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately, besides the common movie aspect ratio, another factor is that a 10" sqrt(2):1 display has the same surface area as a 10.5" 16:9 display.) < 1400237222 706019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I haven't done the math for 16/9 to 16/10 before, that's a 2.5% gain: 10" vs. 10.256". < 1400237285 248214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the "gain" is a gain for marketing the product. < 1400237399 550947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let d w = sqrt(1 + w^2) / sqrt(w) in (d (16/9) / d (16/10)) < 1400237400 868380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0255780015208475 < 1400237504 991371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sqrt(1/w + w) is a prettier formula for 'd'. < 1400237572 365017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140516-view.jpg <- new view < 1400237587 443717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can take an even duller time-lapse video now that there won't even be cars going by. < 1400237740 615024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always hope for an alien exploration ship landing < 1400237753 999453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(E.T.) < 1400238094 176133 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DISFLAGRATED CHICKEN < 1400238182 891280 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400238221 743001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: btw I committed the goodstein thing (optimized a bit) to the AIT repo < 1400238538 667098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400238540 781161 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, fun. "The "Academy ratio" of 1.375:1 was used for all cinema films in the sound era until 1953 (with the release of George Stevens's Shane in 1.66:1). During that time, television, which had a similar aspect ratio of 1.33:1, became a perceived threat to movie studios." < 1400238550 628755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400238700 839933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400238956 50678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that called again? silver ratio? it's the one where cutting it in half gives two parts similar to the original, right? < 1400238958 412721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_%28image%29 is quite informative < 1400239054 54983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the "silver ratio" is sqrt(2)+1. < 1400239099 727506 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1400239126 173016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but think about what happens if you cut a unit square out < 1400239131 926483 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's left? < 1400239848 697403 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400241609 131126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400241833 346945 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400241836 84854 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Changing host < 1400241836 232022 :ais523_!93bcc175@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400241836 232090 :ais523_!93bcc175@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Changing host < 1400241836 232124 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400241906 536324 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400242599 660070 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400242666 378646 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400242698 347932 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400242865 607916 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400242873 677428 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 Mio. people in 12x real-time < 1400242957 285457 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400243025 377986 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400243053 910080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1400243172 139090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew < 1400243182 160938 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my crowd simulation bachelor thesis < 1400243225 720140 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400243293 145897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow that reminded me of http://research.ics.aalto.fi/cog/pracsim/ < 1400243325 57014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend was tangentially involved in that, but I never managed to really grasp what it was all about. < 1400243348 291061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a Java plugin on this computer, but if it's what I think, it should be some... shapes... < 1400243759 604075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1400243759 789484 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1400243769 940424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you know about... shapes... < 1400243770 562899 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whom it is not well to fnord of future great race minds by the moribund. modern and personal topics he waved aside quite summarily, whilst regarding antique affairs he soon shewed the plainest fnord. what this meant, no one can behold them as they passed ammi's they told him that this part of the colossal peaks that loomed up at a fnord on the < 1400243860 148308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Ominous. < 1400243860 424447 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fnord in uncanny fnord and although he kept me awake, i was expected to go over his papers with some thoroughness; and for that purpose moved his entire set of files and boxes to my quarters in boston. < 1400243890 462743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entirety of that after the comma is probably a direct quote. < 1400244021 545578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the ancient unspeakable time of physical files < 1400244092 752158 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@nl7x.mullvad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400244268 380546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part after the comma seem like a proper sentence, so possibly it is. < 1400244441 553690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're such a FILE MANAGER. < 1400244441 897586 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " they were all very old. i do not know. two had been killed; perhaps that had finished it. but i may say, his calls on me) was the old-time indecisive one its irresponsible fnord even more marked than in the fnord stone walls press closer and closer, i shall not go there again, and he was likewise uncertain just when or how the guardian night-gaunts would suddenly pounce upon him. < 1400244470 193539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: iirc linear logic is TC to check theorems, so in some sense you can embed any computation you want in it... < 1400244472 176333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those night-gaunts, they're always pouncing. < 1400244606 245487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you explain how? < 1400244662 877018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i've never read the proof, but there is a claim that it's undecidable (which usually means TC) is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_logic#Decidability.2Fcomplexity_of_entailment < 1400244721 471977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading the proof that constructive logic is PSPACE-complete, though < 1400244764 878767 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersection types are undecidable, in that you can find an intersection type for a term if and only if it always terminates < 1400244777 985701 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something like the easiest undecidability proof ever < 1400244796 172710 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most cut-down linear logics are decidable, though < 1400244807 498735 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my PhD thesis is about that, sort of < 1400244817 636196 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just last week I did a decidability proof for SCC < 1400245248 506685 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400245266 679656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is SCC < 1400245387 342688 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a type system with bounded contraction < 1400245403 832445 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, the LHS of each arrow, and the free variables, have a "number of uses" annotation < 1400245415 535995 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a type would be something like (int^4->int) < 1400245424 510170 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in order to do contraction, you have to add the numbers < 1400245439 312974 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"syntactic control of concurrency" if you want a search term < 1400245457 752378 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gah, UNIX time is at 1400 million already? < 1400245470 59591 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when it was at 1234567890, and I was scared at what a big number it was already < 1400245515 10054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like a bounded version of ! in linear logic? which you can desugar into & and x i think. < 1400245640 585474 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, pretty much exactly that < 1400245650 362401 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, that's "bounded linear logic" you're describing < 1400245661 515214 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCC is similar to BLL, or rather, it's more a weird subset of it < 1400245671 472962 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the products allow unlimited contraction of both sides, and nothing else does < 1400245691 599977 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date +%s < 1400245692 44975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1400245665 < 1400245695 746650 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was chatting to a bunch of linear logicians about it, and they all said pretty much the same thing, "but the function arrow isn't the adjoint of the product" < 1400245696 720961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1400245710 400741 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out that that property makes it awkward to use in practice < 1400245726 261979 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this was the state of the art in the field before I entered it, now my thesis is talking about how it has problems and you can probably do better < 1400245741 287860 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and showing that it's decidable < 1400245760 128240 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E31C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400245760 313500 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E31C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1400245760 313592 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400245760 739593 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400246119 128820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that constructive logic proof intriguing because afair it essentially amounts to using the kripke world semantic for -> to compute things in parallel in subworlds. < 1400246139 79961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if that's what it said or what i realized it implied. < 1400246169 321142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(constructive ~ intuitionistic) < 1400246274 845563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we had a gigasecond celebration on the channel? < 1400246306 13842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible < 1400246315 388836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least on some channel. < 1400246324 21905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if it was at 10^9 or 2^30. < 1400246355 177559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^9 seems to have been pre-#esoteric. < 1400246355 570364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run date --date='@1000000000' < 1400246356 70693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun Sep 9 01:46:40 UTC 2001 < 1400246358 93391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a kripke world semantic for -> ? < 1400246442 157318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well first you have a partially ordered set of worlds, each of which assigns true or false to each propositional value in your term, and such that the value can only change from false to true if you go to a "later" world. < 1400246482 201928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run date --date=@$(dc -e '2 30^p') < 1400246483 20912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sat Jan 10 13:37:04 UTC 2004 < 1400246498 715210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you define a -> b to be false in a world if there is any later world (including the world itself) in which a is true and b is false; and a -> b to be true otherwise. < 1400246521 630052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2004-01-10 well < 1400246591 769241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can show a term is a tautology iff it's assigned true in all kripke semantic worlds. < 1400246664 503502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are similar definitions for other connectives; and/or work like the usual truth table in each world, while not a = a -> False) < 1400246691 955184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only need -> for the full PSPACE-completeness < 1400246711 954788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1400246722 77350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*each propositional variable < 1400246761 871352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this semantics is quite convenient if you want to show a term is _not_ a tautology. < 1400246837 422711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like to show a or (not a) isn't a tautology, you just need two worls; the first one assigns False to a and the second assigns True, which makes both a and not a False in the first world. < 1400246853 156373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+d < 1400246929 942797 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and not a, and not a or not a? < 1400246961 29522 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: this is intuionistic logic, where "a or not a" is not always true < 1400246990 808246 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "main" tautology is "f(not not a) is equivalent to not not f(a)" < 1400247027 829842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not not not a iff not a < 1400247050 551490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (((a -> r) -> r) -> r) -> a -> r < 1400247050 699313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b = a (\ c -> c b) < 1400247084 102442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> r) -> ((a -> r) -> r) -> r < 1400247084 249836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b = b a < 1400247119 282324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interesting fact here is that not a is true in a world if it's true in all "final" worlds (assuming a finite set of worlds, which is enough for a finite set of variables), and in final worlds everything behaves classically, from which you get immediately the theorem that not a is an intuitionistic tautology iff it is a classical one. < 1400247136 506731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iff it's true < 1400247234 412302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm sure we've had date celebrations but both of those were before my time on the channel. < 1400247272 366863 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help djinn < 1400247272 553419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn . < 1400247272 553521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generates Haskell code from a type. < 1400247272 553565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darcs.augustsson.net/Darcs/Djinn < 1400247310 861058 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that not always being true is not the same thing as sometimes being false < 1400247312 677042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply typed lambda terms === proofs for intuitionistic propositional logic < 1400247386 292655 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (((a -> Void) -> Void) -> Void) -> a -> Void < 1400247386 439944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b = void (a (\ c -> c b)) < 1400247585 71903 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Not (Not (a -> Not a -> b)) < 1400247585 261429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = void (a (\ _ b -> void (a (\ c -> void (b c))))) < 1400247592 271242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr @djinn tries to use a linear proof if there is one. < 1400247630 29142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Not (a -> Not a) < 1400247630 176493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized. < 1400247655 315153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Not (Not (Not (a -> Not a))) < 1400247655 462359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized. < 1400247667 385087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. tautology. stupid me. < 1400247675 824081 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, wouldn't Not (a -> Not a) be the same as proving that the system is consistent? < 1400247706 656210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's not a tautology; a = False makes it false. < 1400247719 502314 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes < 1400247736 182433 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not (a <-> Not a) would be proving the system is consistent < 1400247752 650987 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Not (a -> Not a, Not a -> a) < 1400247752 798505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f (a, b) = void (a (b (\ c -> a c c)) (b (\ d -> a d d))) < 1400247781 647555 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400247782 631834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it is inconsistent then you can prove everything including that it is consistent, so it doesn't help < 1400247812 2832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that is a very good point < 1400247956 229604 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400247956 609776 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400247956 845348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400247964 47878 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400247968 316328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1400247974 581337 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1400248101 341950 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Not (Not (Either a (Not a))) < 1400248101 490685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = void (a (Right (\ b -> a (Left b)))) < 1400248146 124098 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t void < 1400248147 93333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f a -> f () < 1400248198 163235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong one. < 1400248220 728736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn assumes data Void {- no constructors -} and void :: Void -> a < 1400248256 122683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Not a = a -> Void < 1400248290 485432 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400248338 942774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add a ContNot type as well, I suppose, if you want a classical "not" operator too < 1400248352 258625 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1400248474 732096 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@nl7x.mullvad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400248550 446619 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That doesn’t seem to be consistent with the output … < 1400248589 962444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: how so? < 1400248645 217103 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The searched function would be onto Void. Why then would it use void to eliminate Void? < 1400248761 49730 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \a => the (Not (Not (Either a (Not a)))) $ \f => f (Right (\x => f (Left x))) < 1400248761 494332 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:No such variable a < 1400248779 523309 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \a : Type => the (Not (Not (Either a (Not a)))) $ \f => f (Right (\x => f (Left x))) < 1400248779 975856 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:No such variable a < 1400248838 901396 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \a : Type => the (Not (Not (Either a (Not a)))) (\f => f (Right (\x => f (Left x)))) < 1400248839 223328 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):0:0:No such variable a < 1400248842 337229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: so the outermost "void" is superfluous, a (b (\ c -> a c c)) (b (\ d -> a d d)) has type Void all by itself < 1400248856 859466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: but void :: Void -> Void is a permitted instantiation of void. < 1400248865 369165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not wrong. < 1400248912 981491 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d’ve thought djinn wouldn’t put it there if superfluous, though. < 1400248967 699143 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trust djinn to be complete, but not to produce minimal proofs. < 1400249016 186232 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1400249018 450694 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, (\c -> a c c) (b (\d -> a d d)) would be a shorter proof. < 1400249044 774691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(starting with f (a,b) = ...) < 1400249054 967342 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1400249065 397785 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you’re getting is a function, not a pair … < 1400249116 718677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, f (a,b) = (\c -> c (b c)) (\d -> a d d) < 1400249126 326952 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would not expect djinn to find it. < 1400249133 81712 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you’re referring to Taneb’s thing, not mine. < 1400249187 993611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. I missed yours ... < 1400249408 35032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But again it uses void :: Void -> Void which is superfluous and harmless < 1400249434 210239 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t FalseElim < 1400249434 521774 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FalseElim : 12_|_ -> 13a < 1400249442 166995 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400249445 622272 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t FalseElim {a=_|_} < 1400249445 989503 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FalseElim : 12_|_ -> 12_|_ < 1400249570 197231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: our industry partner didn't want to tell us what they expect from us. < 1400249709 783371 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400249709 993276 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400250118 36688 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't realy have much for comparision < 1400250131 884729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :most crowd simulations also offer 3D rendering < 1400250140 113803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these call 25k a "huge amount" < 1400250146 58809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well... < 1400250148 984582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laugh at 25k < 1400250402 176459 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t absurd < 1400250402 642048 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Uninhabited.absurd : 12Uninhabited 13t => 13t -> 13a < 1400250414 728548 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://www.indiegamejam.com/igj0/ ;) < 1400250422 300908 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, FalseElim is the implementation of absurd for bottom? < 1400250479 356874 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone sent me an issue for the void package to add an Uninhabited class I could be talked into it very easily < 1400250541 316965 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the benefit of having more than one uninhabited type? < 1400250550 933742 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how do you type shift-home on a 96-key AZERTY keyboard? < 1400250560 813805 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out home by itself, it's numpad 7 with numlock turned off < 1400250565 611357 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shifting it just produces a 7 < 1400250602 451232 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc Uninhabited < 1400250603 40611 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type class 12Uninhabited < 1400250603 567623 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : A canonical proof that some type is empty < 1400250603 567702 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parameters: < 1400250603 567740 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13t < 1400250603 567783 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methods:14↵… < 1400250615 929646 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc uninhabited < 1400250616 221737 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09uninhabited : 12Uninhabited 13t => 13t -> 12_|_ < 1400250616 368426 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : If I have a t, I've had a contradiction < 1400250647 102057 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then absurd is just (FalseElim . uninhabited). < 1400250681 954203 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1400250684 679276 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty types include (Fin 0) and (Z = S Z). < 1400250693 826172 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ofc, dependent typing < 1400250698 228982 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking, more in terms of Haskell < 1400250714 256214 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to unify all the incompatible empty type packages, obviously < 1400250757 649544 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (Elem x []) for arbitrary x, for example. < 1400250772 721065 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (so False). < 1400250789 56187 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's obvious why it's useful in dependent typing < 1400250936 451880 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm not sure how an Uninhabited class would work < 1400250953 358692 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a u. Uninhabited u => u -> a < 1400250963 675937 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the method uninhabited as above. < 1400251094 392972 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it's obvious for dependent typing < 1400251146 360378 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Void -> a < 1400251146 506224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = void < 1400251171 353465 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s obvious with a canonical uninhabited type, which is what _|_ is. < 1400251989 116588 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: data V1 a; newtype Void = Void Void; Sum V1 V1; Product V1 f, etc. are all uninhabited < 1400252035 185652 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but expressing that properly is tricky < 1400252051 836445 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to let a product be uninhabited when either side of it is < 1400252067 129006 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1400252097 267468 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to concoct an UninhabitedOr and UninhabitedAnd that combines them correctly < 1400252112 234346 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or define version with GHC.Generics < 1400252143 165355 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gqh, ny keyboqrd hqs !just! spontqneously chqnged to QWERTY < 1400252152 392948 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfter refusing to be QWERTY for qges < 1400252163 650346 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qnd I hqve no ideq zhy < 1400252183 666452 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a lazy type nat you could check for -- type Uninhabited a = MaxInhabitants 0 a < 1400252195 9304 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :using lazy nat addition < 1400252195 842592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fqncy < 1400252229 146868 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we only need inhabited or not decidably, with the right boolean functions < 1400252237 389810 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Finite typeclass. < 1400252260 307048 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, just managed to change it back, somehow < 1400252283 103146 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, "QWERTY" above = "AZERTY" encoded via a y/AZERTY/QWERTY/ transformation which also contains other letters) < 1400252421 526397 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fppcluongbjfgepe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400252559 140450 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family Inhabitable t :: Bool; type instance Inhabitable Void = 'False; type instance Inhabitable [a] = 'True; type instance Inhabitable (Compose f g a) = Inhabitable (f (g a)); ... < 1400252590 189452 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :btter as a class associated type though so you can more easily get the proof of absurdity wthout boolean blindness < 1400252714 461531 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400252800 906004 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400253361 548137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes edwardk's last line would probably fit right into a postmodern treatise. < 1400253480 428128 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400253792 585438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Snack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39535&oldid=31569 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+80) 10How to be afraid of you < 1400253809 712639 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1400254407 76584 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a postmodern programming language < 1400254483 359583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, programming is a tool of the patriarchal bourgeoisie. < 1400254498 416675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1400254697 595791 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400254932 533291 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400254963 371052 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400255138 788682 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-186-068.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400255580 234701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400255666 502238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make up the postmodern programming language. < 1400255717 532904 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400255903 792494 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400255969 899339 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400256113 249306 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400256620 780487 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400256833 582617 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.237 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400257019 649954 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400257199 837696 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400257221 674470 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400257283 837800 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400258395 642943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39536&oldid=39137 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+58) 10/* Forobj */ < 1400258469 955869 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/frOtNb8YD1w?t=3m26s < 1400258829 462165 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400258909 237364 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400258939 675304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39537 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+5689) 10Created page with "[[Category:Languages]][[Category:2014]] ==Syntax== * Name: Consists of ASCII letters, numbers, and underscores, without starting with a digit. An underscore by itself is not ..." < 1400258959 257257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39538&oldid=39537 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+0) 10 < 1400259103 395029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gentzen < 1400259407 661637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to ask about if there is any SQLite extension for connecting to internet, but they always answered improperly. ("Yes, it is called TCP/IP" and "Yes, it is called a programming language" and so on) < 1400259413 456715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any such thing though? < 1400259623 162158 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400259811 533840 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400260199 396496 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400260462 200886 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know of one, although I don't think it would be impossible to write one < 1400260483 44236 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be easier to do your connections from outside SQLite, though, rather than inside < 1400260812 659789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes possibly, although I would want to do it from an extension too; for one thing it mean that you can use it to extend application databases even if the application program isn't using internet (for example, to cause all writes to a specific table to be automatically copied to a server), but can also be used with stand-aline SQLite shell programming too. < 1400260840 732278 :mekeor!~user@f051132009.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400260846 255575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could not quite understand the programming of internet connection in C very well though, so I wanted to know if it already exist. < 1400260896 652377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, in fact, already write extension for many other things, such as to compute various statistics, and to add formatting functions, and trigonometry and logarithms and square root and so on < 1400260922 474620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even new commands such as CREATE FUNCTION and CREATE MACRO < 1400261127 771989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Do you use SQLite at all? < 1400261145 771561 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a very small amount < 1400261148 203906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1400261159 589646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell is it Double.parseDouble but Integer.parseInt < 1400261163 545779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of Integer.parseInteger < 1400261185 13832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: What do you use it for? < 1400261236 628651 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading databases in SQLite format, that have been created by other programs < 1400261249 520591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other programs? < 1400261254 457681 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1400261258 348642 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a while ago < 1400261292 895803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is certainly useful for that. You could also modify the databases that are created by other programs too, if there is a use to do so. < 1400261375 231586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if you want to add triggers, views, columns, and so on, or just if you want to adjust the data it contains. < 1400261384 406385 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta redo Burlesque. But in Java this time < 1400261734 143798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why in Java this time? What was it before? < 1400262039 504782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell. < 1400262127 735329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to do it in Java this time, though? < 1400262152 236904 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :better mobile device compatibility < 1400262338 873327 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400262669 805027 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400262720 37513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: exactly < 1400262737 121068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1400262742 735800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't done much in Java < 1400262755 238595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's in Java there's a higher chance somebody actually helps :) < 1400262768 705843 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400262828 108540 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who has a decent chance of needing to use Java should maintain exactly one overcomplicated, overengineered Java project < 1400262831 984859 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as to keep in practice < 1400262876 115069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39539&oldid=39538 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+419) 10 < 1400262968 192889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :overcomplicated < 1400262973 674440 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use a lot of instanceofs < 1400262998 418145 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for eval (MyInteger a) = ...; eval (MyDouble a) = ....; eval (MyString a) = ...; and so forth < 1400263003 494665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all gonna be crappy instanceof < 1400263009 752653 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ifs of course < 1400263294 237383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gonna take a while to have enough built-ins to be useful :) < 1400263434 16074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it took 1.5 years for Burlesque to become what it has become < 1400263462 664709 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some student colleagues are jealous :) < 1400263496 852449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good for homework stuff < 1400263506 629173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "is that number square free" < 1400263530 962190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 12B written in 10s < 1400263607 694857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's fc^^NB==) < 1400263623 772927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : * fC^^NB== < 1400263624 148181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400263635 628767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8B even. < 1400264303 770070 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400264891 515167 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400264970 818482 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400265668 40240 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1400265939 998130 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1400266175 11729 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 1 < 1400266175 408437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri May 16 01:00:00 UTC 2014 < 1400266179 476221 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 12 < 1400266179 939143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri May 16 12:00:00 UTC 2014 < 1400266186 459775 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 123 < 1400266186 944219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri May 16 01:23:00 UTC 2014 < 1400266193 375619 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 1234 < 1400266193 932464 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri May 16 12:34:00 UTC 2014 < 1400266197 880279 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 12345 < 1400266198 320645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :date: invalid date ` 12345' < 1400266204 197715 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 1-2 < 1400266205 92601 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri May 16 03:00:00 UTC 2014 < 1400266220 414425 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1400266220 916364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri May 16 18:49:54 UTC 2014 < 1400266226 501164 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1400266235 533891 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 1-3 < 1400266236 2085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri May 16 04:00:00 UTC 2014 < 1400266252 648623 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 2-1 < 1400266253 153766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri May 16 03:00:00 UTC 2014 < 1400266262 592678 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 1+2 < 1400266262 739935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thu May 15 23:00:00 UTC 2014 < 1400266275 722457 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 1-2-3 < 1400266276 174317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sat Feb 3 00:00:00 UTC 0001 < 1400266283 429588 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -d 1+2+3 < 1400266283 902420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :date: invalid date ` 1+2+3' < 1400267053 263856 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any CSS geeks here? I was wondering if there's a sneaky way to modify the content with CSS. E.g. my

contains "xxxxx: yyyyyyy" and I want to remove the "xxxxx:" without any extra markup. < 1400267067 887483 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ask in #css they'll just tell me css isn't for content < 1400267177 676204 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: do you happen to have control over the styling but not the content, for some reason? < 1400267181 243234 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is definitely a way to add content < 1400267188 411624 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure about removing it < 1400267258 543588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I do not think that is possible, but I don't know for sure. < 1400267395 449496 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hide the original and add replacement content using h1::after (content: ); < 1400267465 121192 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do something like add an element before it, place the prefix after that new element, in the same font and styling < 1400267469 956189 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but set the foreground equal to the background < 1400267472 328574 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is I want the replacement content to be a substring of the original. (It's for a print style sheet) < 1400267474 408371 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus overwriting it < 1400267499 806737 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like the sort of thing that could easily go wrong, though < 1400267529 987288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I would think you should then make that text another part and then make the CSS to hide it if it is a printout? < 1400267545 370215 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I knew the exact width of the characters, I could probably do margin: -100px or something. < 1400267673 97929 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: enclose the "xxxxx:" in a ? I was hoping to avoid that, otherwise I'll have to edit 500+ files by hand! < 1400267704 126203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed?! < 1400267717 620601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do it by hand; use another program such as AWK or sed. < 1400267752 617347 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I ought to install AWK :-) < 1400267802 165726 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed/awk/perl are all designed for that sort of job < 1400267806 897770 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in increasing order of complexity < 1400267810 515987 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perl does lots of other things too < 1400267870 306566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. "Earlier today, a virus signature from the virus "DOS/STONED" was uploaded into the Bitcoin blockchain, which allows small snippets of text to accompany user transactions with bitcoin." < 1400267889 463684 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1400267895 752702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/mse-protect_updating/microsoft-security-essentials-reporting-false/0240ed8e-5a27-4843-a939-0279c8110e1c?tm=1400189799602 < 1400267897 212310 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now all the antivirus programs think it's a virus? < 1400267918 459805 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really clever, whoever thought of it, although highly antisocial < 1400267946 250603 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice URL < 1400268086 720307 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400268111 570238 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, put random shellcode into the blockchain, then your client exploits will have something to jump to < 1400268131 758628 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1400268167 720565 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they decided what to do with the illegal erotica yet < 1400268292 651145 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400268307 705237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you put whatever you want into the blockchain, in order to cause backups of the data to exist for whoever makes backups of Bitcoin blockchains. < 1400268377 845533 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it probably wouldn't be cost-effective because of the transaction fees < 1400268509 925389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yes, I suppose so, but if you want to pay for such a thing then maybe it can help, especially if you are already making a payment due to some other reason too, I suppose (for example, to the backup service). < 1400268645 692391 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the blockchain porn was only links. < 1400269278 136477 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 NICK :Slereah < 1400269789 249330 :nucular_!~MOO@p4FC7E31C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400269798 232457 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400269803 134941 :nucular_!~MOO@p4FC7E31C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :nucular < 1400269811 615886 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E31C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1400269811 763545 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400270593 418930 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400270648 370938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39540&oldid=39539 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+2448) 10 < 1400270711 614230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'↪ A start tag whose tag name is "image": Parse error. Change the token's tag name to "img" and reprocess it. (Don't ask.)' < 1400270851 196488 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1400270962 625436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parser SHALL NOT ask < 1400271020 37354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parser SHALL NOT even < 1400271029 350387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1400271047 828929 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it SHOULD odd?! < 1400271055 354905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, html5 is great < 1400271292 268591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39541&oldid=39540 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+509) 10 < 1400271331 619014 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everytim i see something from zzo i ask myself "do i REALLY want to read it?" < 1400271391 717120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it's like $90 in transaction fees for a 1 megabyte transaction right now I think < 1400271396 915313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't thaaaaat bad? < 1400271409 519037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Why? < 1400271425 586594 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$90 to back up 1MB? that's not really that good a deal < 1400271447 302933 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: on one side, you have really great ideas, but on the other side, you have really strange ideas < 1400271465 34275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it buys you an /awful lot/ of backups of your data < 1400271479 312044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: and many people have a strong financial incentive to keep those backups < 1400271512 452242 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a very reliable backup, assuming that the blockchain doesn't collapse, and that people don't come up with some way to purge text from it (say, to get rid of virus signatures) < 1400271534 586774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing the past of the blockchain is kind of difficult... < 1400271547 912340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insane people have the best ideas. Sometimes. < 1400271557 623720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik, the hashes are chained, a la git < 1400271586 581014 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get everyone to agree that a particular hash was part of the blockchain < 1400271593 898779 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and record the state of everything at that moment < 1400271601 344546 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just work from that new, truncated-behind blockchain < 1400271608 990635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course < 1400271611 250368 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be awkward, but perhaps necessary if the blockchain grows faster than disks do < 1400271621 4512 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think that's what i was trying to say < 1400271634 403159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"end-users" aren't going to store the blockchain, anyway < 1400271648 836423 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they need to know how many bitcoins someone has < 1400271659 422000 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether a transaction was confirmed < 1400271662 261243 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which are kind-of important < 1400271678 987213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are going to use light-weight clients or delegate their trust to another entity which has the blockchain < 1400271682 664562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, they already do. < 1400271705 390516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blockchain is already huge; nobody who gets into bitcoin today who isn't really paranoid is using the "official" client < 1400272054 925970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you can do that @css < 1400272106 131554 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400272195 592123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could for example use a font that doesn't have an x < 1400272200 72598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it realy is xxx: yyy ;) < 1400272221 97164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise... the CSS content property can probably just add content, but not remove it < 1400272258 496806 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what also might work is setting text-indent to a negative value < 1400272486 623542 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: all of my headers are

Core War: blah blah blah blah

- I want to hide "Core War:" when it's printed. I considered negative text-indent, negative margin, etc but the exact size may vary depending on the font. < 1400272544 326548 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a visibility:hidden element in order to assess the text size < 1400272623 898969 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to position "Core War:" in a white font exactly over the bit I want to hide, but unfortunately white prints as light grey. < 1400272659 75417 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in a < 1400272665 176941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really can't change the markup? < 1400272674 448866 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400272680 403209 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that changes things < 1400272727 608697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:10 < shachaf> whoa, html5 is great < 1400272729 814971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do ya figure < 1400272777 106111 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it facilitates an attack called "billion laughs", how could it not be great < 1400272791 444034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1400272799 48183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: does it? that looks like an XML thing < 1400272799 875950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you might wanna use sed then ;) < 1400272864 945692 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think you can still use < 1400272895 71972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1400272907 485842 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak < 1400272909 654143 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck html5 then < 1400272949 315199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my general opinion, but not for this reason < 1400272980 531569 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo reshuffle ur priorities < 1400273063 67217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can inside MathML or SVG inside HTML < 1400273123 559645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're not allowed to do that, either, but some user-agents might allow it < 1400273134 602795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since those are more like proper XML syntaxes that are awkwardly embedded inside HTML5 < 1400273202 372481 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to have a fun June < 1400273208 455668 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for Web 3.0 - the emotional web < 1400273219 227555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tags like and and < 1400273235 603889 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google emotionml < 1400273236 911613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/emotionml/ < 1400273237 60495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Emotion Markup Language (EmotionML) 1.0 < 1400273246 118081 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the future, mroman < 1400273256 498893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'↪ An end tag whose tag name is "sarcasm": Take a deep breath, then act as described in the "any other end tag" entry below.' < 1400273261 40654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1400273268 561568 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody seriously did that already < 1400273280 89028 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur welcome < 1400273282 423584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh? < 1400273292 479366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good kind of fun or bad kind? < 1400273297 90499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busy kind. < 1400273334 486198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1400273340 500423 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last exam is on the 3rd. Dad's birthday on the 4th, going home for that. 13th I'm going down to London for the day. 21st-22nd I'm at an anime con < 1400273346 480022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1400273413 870441 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the meanwhile I should be working on GSoC < 1400273427 81469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your GSoC project? < 1400273434 829802 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debugger for GHCJS < 1400273439 223676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1400273451 448105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so complicated < 1400273476 9376 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1400273634 841789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1400273667 703633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops just poured salt all over my sofa < 1400273705 876209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not EmitionML recommendation conform < 1400273719 168080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it clearly says value must be within 0..1 < 1400273726 738809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know whether anyone applied for a GSoC to do work on/with Rust? < 1400273935 570998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so, but I'm not positive < 1400273948 176257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla has a lot of interns working on Rust and Servo, as well < 1400273987 705870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is a systems programming language that runs blazingly fast, prevents almost all crashes*, and eliminates data races. < 1400274049 653932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* In theory. Rust is a work-in-progress and may do anything it likes up to and including eating your laundry." < 1400274053 292902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly will you be able to use the terminal to change the POWER setting if it is not already set? (Refering to VT100 terminal) < 1400274057 444607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you rather recommend Rust or Go? < 1400274070 748591 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust < 1400274071 653420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: they're really very different languages < 1400274080 725228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a new "awesome" language and so far Go is pretty high up the list < 1400274090 64506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go and Clojures < 1400274090 932251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go has shared-memory concurrency with garbage collection; it's designed for writing high throughput network servers < 1400274094 26934 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, they're not really competing except in as much as they're new systems programming languages made by web browser manufacturers < 1400274095 375256 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :go's runtime generics are disgusting < 1400274096 658115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not anything realtime or low latency < 1400274109 480099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has a far more interesting memory management story < 1400274113 119321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which enables GC-less operation < 1400274117 214692 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, nimrod < 1400274124 242899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :New "awesome" language isn't good enough, I would think? You should need other criteria to know what you want? < 1400274128 899416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's designed for writing low-latency software like web browsers, kernels, games, high-frequency trading strategies, etc. < 1400274143 823096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can run on bare metal, etc < 1400274157 840228 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust's basically an attempt to make a crash-free C, whereas Go is an attempt to make a lower-level Erlang < 1400274167 622858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also designed by people who actually know programming languages theory and don't consider it a bad thing < 1400274194 982981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like C and BLISS, although BLISS is hardly ever used anymore and there is no GNU BLISS compiler that I know of. < 1400274254 240977 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to write more Rust < 1400274257 246081 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400274281 763534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write down the kind of thing you intend to have, and then see what program language has it, whether it is C, BLISS, Rust, Go, SQL, Perl, or QBASIC. < 1400274304 386192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you're asking which language is more interesting, it's Rust for sure < 1400274310 241108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Go might be better for writing certain kinds of software < 1400274312 640720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is more mature < 1400274329 616290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be a bit mad to run a production system on Rust right now, although I think there are some (small) examples of people doing that < 1400274340 971673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :GC-less? < 1400274345 693481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like... < 1400274356 21868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We've got destructors" < 1400274360 511809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400274363 718737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which clean up as soon as you leave scope < 1400274381 112244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is based on unique ownership of objects + safe borrowing of references to them < 1400274388 571663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also do reference counting or GC if you want < 1400274419 513827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot like a vastly cleaned-up C++ < 1400274426 324055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a cycle collector or something for rust yet < 1400274445 129468 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reference counter and a non-reference-counting-based garbage collector, IIRC < 1400274454 101543 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of which is used unless you ask for them < 1400274459 307507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAII, smart pointers, non-homogenous data, objects by value, monomorphizing generics, etc. < 1400274475 812255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not actually a garbage collector as part of Rust yet < 1400274490 246786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll happen after 1.0 maybe < 1400274501 508661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the std lib does have refcounted boxes, both thread-local and shareable versions < 1400274504 224330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not really familar with C++ < 1400274514 322199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of Servo's Rust objects are now managed by the SpiderMonkey garbage collector, which is pretty cool < 1400274526 876710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is integrated with Rust smart pointers in a way that mostly prevents you from fucking it up < 1400274532 565347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my colleage and I are going to write a blog post about that < 1400274539 871769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colleague* < 1400274540 579813 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: don't worry, neither is anyone else < 1400274580 106895 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400274580 974481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume something like { int* a = malloc(..); } doesn't get cleaned-up in Rust? < 1400274617 269113 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400274620 260934 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let int a = box 6; or whatever definitely does get cleaned up < 1400274621 24580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends what you mean by translating that to Rust < 1400274632 600992 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, the program will fail to compile if it can't figure out where the data's meant to get freed < 1400274639 501832 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1400274643 788804 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let int &a = box 6; < 1400274651 347223 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still wrong < 1400274654 253559 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let int ~a = box 6 < 1400274655 634281 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1400274658 509973 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't rusted in ages < 1400274661 715128 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let kmc correct me < 1400274663 325853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there's an "unsafe dialect" of Rust which will let you call the actual libc malloc and get a raw pointer back and dereference it and segfault and do whatever you want < 1400274707 22803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it possible to combine it with safe codes in the same file (by specifying if you want unsafe, on one block, or something like that)? < 1400274710 408034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400274716 64662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only do that in a function that's marked unsafe, or within an unsafe { ... } block < 1400274780 399363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is an unchecked assertion that you have proven that none of these behaviors can occur: http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/rust.html#behavior-considered-unsafe < 1400274791 374331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the way you wrap a safe interface around unsafe internals < 1400274805 1845 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckyouiknowwhatimdoing { ... } < 1400274808 268324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can only call an unsafe function from another unsafe function or an unsafe { ... } block, naturally) < 1400274814 572447 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwannabec#{} < 1400274834 465148 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust has disgusting "macro"s < 1400274841 379850 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t believe_me < 1400274841 527538 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09believe_me : 13a -> 13b < 1400274846 435761 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ↑ < 1400274857 202762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so the more idiomatic translation of that would be like ais523_ said, let a: Box = box 3; < 1400274860 620226 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce i assume < 1400274862 758110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be spelled let a: ~int = ~3; < 1400274875 16692 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t String < 1400274875 163895 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12String : 12Type < 1400274878 154441 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Effectively, but “believe_me” is the actual name. < 1400274883 92362 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( believe_me 17 :: String < 1400274886 886645 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1400274887 33405 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: Effects.Env.::, Data.HVect.::, Prelude.List.::, Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, Prelude.Stream.::, Prelude.Vect.:: < 1400274895 576904 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1400274900 587876 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (believe_me 17) :: String < 1400274900 734993 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1400274900 735150 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't disambiguate name: Effects.Env.::, Data.HVect.::, Prelude.List.::, Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, Prelude.Stream.::, Prelude.Vect.:: < 1400274901 993170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you a pointer to a box in the heap; the pointer "owns" the box and when the pointer's destructor is called, the box will be freed < 1400274910 376124 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever. < 1400274911 181453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C++'s std::unique_ptr < 1400274911 903146 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it can't figure out which 17 you mean < 1400274914 91474 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly which string < 1400274918 803993 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (::) is the cons operator. < 1400274924 887686 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. durr yes. < 1400274927 846177 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that too < 1400274929 151646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why did you chage it from let a: ~int = ~3 into let a: Box = box 3; ? < 1400274930 878966 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (believe_me 17) : String < 1400274931 26268 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:17: error: expected: "$", < 1400274931 26339 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***", < 1400274931 26377 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", < 1400274931 26413 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", < 1400274931 26447 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",14↵… < 1400274935 713944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can take a "borrowed" reference to that box (of type &int or &mut int) and pass it around < 1400274939 957867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the safety of that is statically checked < 1400274943 711950 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, what. < 1400274947 604344 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You can’t do a type annotation with colon. < 1400274949 838860 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clearly i'm too used to haskell" < 1400274951 705375 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t the < 1400274951 853448 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Basics.the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a < 1400274962 323074 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the String (believe_me 17) < 1400274962 470445 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0417 : 12String < 1400274969 391209 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice. < 1400274981 703322 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the String 17 < 1400274981 850950 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num 12String < 1400274995 777489 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the way every super-massively-type-safe language has a coerce-anything-to-anything-else function < 1400274996 535121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type system includes "lifetime variables" for preventing dangling references http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/guide-lifetimes.html#returning-references < 1400275012 522842 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coerce crap to bullshit < 1400275014 164960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: what's your problem with Rust's macros? < 1400275014 515797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Are you sure they would all have such a one? < 1400275018 926001 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no < 1400275024 910802 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If you compiled that believe_me bit it would probably segfault. < 1400275027 786102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would actually mean it's weakly and not strongly typed? < 1400275030 485219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, in Haskell there is a safe mode, which avoid such unsafeCoerce and so on. < 1400275039 510753 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: that's what i was hoping to see :p < 1400275045 473498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it's really necessary in Rust, because you build the safe parts out of unsafe parts < 1400275050 350279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the Rust runtime system is written in Rust < 1400275055 161829 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall the definition of "weak" is "you can circumvent the type system with a (void*) cast" < 1400275055 986333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, most of the Rust runtime system is optional) < 1400275059 339377 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes, I understand that < 1400275065 95415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: nobody actually agrees on what these terms mean < 1400275071 992277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3>2011 >words having means < 1400275074 180936 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanings < 1400275074 424779 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I've seen that defined as "unsound" < 1400275090 67175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that as they said, in Rust if you want a unsafe code you have to specify "unsafe" block. In Haskell they are called "unsafe". < 1400275113 835634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I think people would call e.g. Haskell unsound because of undefined. < 1400275116 555562 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered becoming a non cognitivist?? < 1400275122 797974 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only type-related definition that's generally agreed on is static versus dynamic < 1400275129 145270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce is more of an operational thing. < 1400275133 225433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would say that the type system is an unsound logic, but not that the type system itself is unsound < 1400275139 279935 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, they're filthy unreadable $$$enough$already$$$ < 1400275149 238905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah, I suppose you could say that. < 1400275167 48030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically an unsound type system means one which allows programs to "go wrong", whatever exactly that means for the goals of your type system < 1400275168 986702 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: could you get idris-bot to not line-wrap its error messages? < 1400275176 558125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What is a non cognitivist? < 1400275182 304247 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one 300-char line is less disruptive in IRC than five 60-char lines < 1400275184 267125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most type systems try to provide memory safety, so "going wrong" would include use-after-free, memory leaks, etc. < 1400275186 712989 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a big deal, just something to think aobut < 1400275187 903416 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about < 1400275193 776815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust also tries to prevent data races < 1400275207 653307 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many kinds of pointers are there in rust? still 4? < 1400275211 916671 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was reading that post about replacing "mut" with "uniq" < 1400275219 639145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read that yet < 1400275225 255516 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting < 1400275229 731154 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reminded me a bunch of my own research < 1400275233 52231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: ~ and @ have both turned into library types < 1400275235 65346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this "mut" and "uniq"? < 1400275246 951091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: so there's *, *mut, &, and &mut < 1400275253 26139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also many library types that act like pointers < 1400275253 173276 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "mut" means "the data can be changed via this pointer", and "this is the only mutable pointer to the data" < 1400275265 560930 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Seems to be a bug in Idris, since the normal REPL does the same thing, regardless of the consolewidth setting (which the bot sets to 200) < 1400275270 10240 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uniq" is a proposal for "this is the only pointer to the data", with mutability not being specific < 1400275270 197550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every big C++ project has like a dozen custom smart pointer classes < 1400275294 464885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mut" currently means the only pointer, not just the only mutable pointer < 1400275311 957673 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1400275323 295509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Really? I don't know much about C++ project, and why they have a dozen custom smart pointer classes. < 1400275346 661876 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick < 1400275363 438632 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: No output. < 1400275376 323400 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to specify an INTERCAL program if you want ick to produce output, or --help/--version) < 1400275378 224597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you add both a "mut" and "uniq" types, then? < 1400275387 724726 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Also I should look if I can’t find how that operator-listing parse error comes about, since that’s annoying in any case. < 1400275391 255491 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that was one suggestion in the blog post < 1400275403 166064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mean of a word is just the character corresponding to the (rounded) sum of its code points divided by the length of the word. < 1400275405 576839 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the author preferred getting rid of mut altogether < 1400275408 874987 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is massively controversial < 1400275427 776557 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? i thought immutability was the tits < 1400275434 487644 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :immutability solves all problems, doesnt it < 1400275446 315591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an essential part of the way Rust provides memory safety < 1400275454 936823 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could sum the argument up as, uniq lets you do everything that's new in terms of memory safety in Rust < 1400275456 413033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure what you'd do in its place, but I didn't read the blog post yet < 1400275460 546945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1400275462 816119 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't let you do the stuff that const does in C < 1400275463 994635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's so < 1400275478 962354 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other words, the post is about capturing the rustiness of immutability < 1400275484 742360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust doesn't have a way to create immutable objects, anyway -- the mutability of an object depends on how you're accessing it < 1400275487 322871 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but loses the non-rust-related benefits < 1400275490 826824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are mut/immut local variables, and mut/immut pointers < 1400275498 656863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you own an immut thing you can always make it mut < 1400275527 880305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for global variables declared with 'static', which are basically constants) < 1400275604 697057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can effectively make an immutable object, though, by putting it in a private struct field and only exposing an accessor that returns an immutable reference < 1400275605 761589 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a >>= equivalent for Rust's option? < 1400275612 668964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's .chain() < 1400275618 300170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a bunch of HOFs on Option < 1400275631 317305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/core/option/type.Option.html < 1400275668 763381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust doesn't have higher-kinded polymorphism :/ so you can't make these generic as in Applicative, Monad, etc. < 1400275796 236645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want higher-kinded polymorphism :'( < 1400275798 813877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1400275819 877985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day I wanted to write a trait with kind (Lifetime -> Type) -> Constraint < 1400275901 933449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the use of freezing a const literal? < 1400275911 82093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let foo = &20;? < 1400275927 702125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way did you see that paper i linked here a while ago about rank-n types in languages that try not to box things < 1400275947 522231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no! sounds interesting < 1400275957 319101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you can pass it to a function that expects &int < 1400275962 240159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(&20) < 1400275969 258217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have to be a constant either, you can do f(&g()) < 1400275990 125475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it creates an unnamed temporary variable in the current scope < 1400275998 8356 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the rationale for using a bunch of operators instead of words? < 1400275999 339540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/*log* < 1400276000 64239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/*log* < 1400276003 329640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/*log* < 1400276003 814364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/anonlog bin/etymology bin/log bin/logurl bin/pastalog bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs bin/pastlog bin/randomanonlog bin/searchlog < 1400276013 267828 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: same use as (struct foo){.bar = 1}; in C < 1400276014 248853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look all i want is to search logs for something i said recently < 1400276016 179574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it only lasts for the current statement < 1400276030 511187 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's on `log < 1400276037 107913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifetime inference is an example of type inference with subtyping, which means that it's not perfect < 1400276038 249870 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400276041 367444 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*paper i linked here < 1400276041 913856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/log: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ grep: ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1400276053 591524 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: except that it doesn't work because HackEgo no longer has a copy of the logs < 1400276093 120341 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/4VaHgh1.jpg?1 attn < 1400276112 802495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1400276129 159145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1400276129 673042 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400276150 257082 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're allowed to talk about jesus < 1400276160 845434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuh uh < 1400276166 469274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"words or phrases with biblical connotation" < 1400276181 336438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have made a mistake < 1400276200 283643 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Primes.rs:16:19: 16:32 error: borrowed value does not live long enough" < 1400276229 632975 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1400276254 368330 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: use-after-free < 1400276259 232109 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice when the compiler catches it for you :-) < 1400276308 590199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell where it's being freed < 1400276339 349523 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the place where it was declared goes out of scope < 1400276390 223260 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1400276404 337309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, I have an enum with 6 variants and I want a type which is restricted to 4 of them < 1400276418 610080 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtyping........................ < 1400276423 239478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish that kind of thing didn't suck in most langs < 1400276426 829487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :refinement types could do it < 1400276431 58722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah < 1400276433 698115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like subtyping < 1400276435 658842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's convenient < 1400276448 969974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case < 1400276459 702915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could at least write a macro which automates declaration and conversion for the "subtype" enum < 1400276483 172215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust supports defining macros using arbitrary Rust code, although it's not pretty < 1400276635 399236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I got it to work < 1400276666 572798 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By not naming the thing that didn't have enough lifetime? < 1400276672 207044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was only used once anyway < 1400276893 11414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_-ghost: oh, that explains it < 1400276897 899103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why don't you like subtyping < 1400276935 740748 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get a code review for main()? http://hastebin.com/eduvawahub.rs < 1400276959 876871 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust can't figure out the type < 1400276989 405714 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than adding more useful comments < 1400276991 347179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: looks like it was http://flint.cs.yale.edu/flint/publications/flex.pdf < 1400277003 261616 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, isnt there a constructor you can use there instead < 1400277024 781259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How d'you mean? < 1400277039 332263 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, just Some(..) to construct option < 1400277102 554649 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand < 1400277155 901917 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont? < 1400277161 126158 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sorry < 1400277164 612187 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some(4) #=> Option value of 4 < 1400277178 47415 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what a constructor is, stop pulling my chain < 1400277187 930558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't understand how that helps < 1400277198 272373 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting the Option from from_str() < 1400277213 73857 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't omit that? < 1400277214 924007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'd suspect that rust cares about runtime representation a bit too much for that kind of trickery < 1400277241 325670 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl, no, because it can't tell that it's a uint < 1400277258 181901 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :from_str? < 1400277341 517148 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got it < 1400277380 445790 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400277405 496572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: one day you will be able to write from_str::(...) or so, but that's not much better < 1400277461 274621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got from_str::(...) < 1400277468 243744 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uint < 1400277477 593840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39542&oldid=39541 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1196) 10 < 1400277483 12722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: instead of long else/if chains I like to do something like match () { _ if x > 49 => ..., _ if is_prime1(x) => ..., } < 1400277488 982505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh, does it work now? < 1400277503 315641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get rid of the message at the top of the MediaWiki page that says your edit is saved? < 1400277512 503293 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like an awkard cond :/ < 1400277521 389566 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe you could write a macro" < 1400277522 27100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the best < 1400277526 221360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has the same basic issue < 1400277530 646072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and I didn't know that guards existed like that < 1400277564 603346 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1400277568 809399 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :from_str:: -_- < 1400277578 270594 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have called rust "line noise" < 1400277591 109672 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/ibogost/status/467423954328883200/photo/1/large meanwhile in the ACM < 1400277631 597923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: nice one < 1400277659 993735 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should jokingly name the language after some kind of corrosion, to emphasize how ugly it is, < 1400277690 998109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think the real value of fancy movement commands in Vim is for macros < 1400277718 715440 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, lol < 1400277724 992566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if all programming was like writing vim macros < 1400277809 991308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is why there is many different kind of programming languages, which is so that, it doesn't have to be all programming like writing vim macros. < 1400277847 213062 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400277903 197877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: should I feel bad about f(match a { b => return c, d => e }) < 1400277958 505134 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, does that return c/e to the call to f or to the function enclosing it < 1400278010 928401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would hope that it works by either passing e to f, or returning c to the lexically enclosing block without calling f. < 1400278026 202256 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea thats what it looks like < 1400278044 893779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1400278060 319716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the lexically enclosing function body < 1400278065 393597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily the closest block < 1400278081 672943 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes kmc you should feel bad < 1400278085 282643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :return acts like calling a continuation captured at entry to the function < 1400278089 529590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of (return x) unifies with anything < 1400278105 291551 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know what a "block" is in rust, i'm just using lisp terms because lol. < 1400278110 627812 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming languages are weird < 1400278111 92042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1400278118 263446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo kind of bad but also kind of good?? < 1400278118 463983 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :unifies? meaning what < 1400278130 105560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: cannot bind by-move into a pattern guard < 1400278136 361324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting one < 1400278141 238168 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what do you gain from having the match inside the func call? internet points? < 1400278161 4091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many tricky cases that come up with uniqueness / move semantics < 1400278161 472470 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: type unification < 1400278187 907597 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: like in pseudo-C since i don't know how rust decls work, "foo x = return bar;" is valid for any type foo. < 1400278204 408898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be safe as long as the bound-by-move variables don't appear in the guard < 1400278207 280443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure < 1400278218 985358 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1400278221 419581 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done what kmc's doing before. it's kind of super ugly so i'd feel a bit bad but not enough to change it if that's what i meant < 1400278251 706331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know what happens in ruby when you write something like def foo(); return proc { return 5 }; end < 1400278253 61936 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :buzzwords :rolleyes: < 1400278269 558532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buzzwords?? < 1400278272 31945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where the "return" in the proc means "return from foo".) < 1400278278 542465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.// < 1400278289 254308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you capture a continuation? < 1400278291 311907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ugly" is a buzzword < 1400278299 904884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd hope for that but it's just an error :'( < 1400278303 600341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400278341 834802 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand not wanting to introduce undelimited continuations :V < 1400278352 555352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't know when to capture a continuation anyway since everything is all dynamic < 1400278356 226647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo eval "return 5" < 1400278360 583357 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo < 1400278405 561332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll say it again. < 1400278410 96618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: shamir's secret sharing is so simple btw < 1400278412 41749 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming languages are weird. < 1400278423 342281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason i thought it was complicated but it's not < 1400278596 420528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing i thought was complicated but isn't: crontab syntax < 1400278632 303457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{polynomials} < 1400278666 246077 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yeah polynomials < 1400278672 257752 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know about gröbner bases? < 1400279195 500081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1400279222 400782 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here goign to tell me about them < 1400279281 190831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't something I know < 1400279302 350595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i give that about 50/50 < 1400279346 753004 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279504 470299 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279535 455537 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric 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1400279779 71030 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279779 219319 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-50-112-124-255.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279779 219384 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279779 219412 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279779 219439 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279779 219464 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279779 219490 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279779 219515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400279985 661436 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400280487 810011 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1400280696 231139 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell me why i can't find a proof of the poincare bendixson theorem not based on way too many symbols < 1400280721 925744 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400280842 533046 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because math has a lot of symbols < 1400281018 346997 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad nobody told mathematicians they can use multi-letter words as names. < 1400281049 761665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help "error: binary operation `*` cannot be applied to type `&&uint`" < 1400281051 320405 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason they ended up using “sin”, “cos”, “lim” etc. though. < 1400281074 207967 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then how would we know that "dim" isn't d*i*m???? Panic would reign! < 1400281110 143977 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have this technology called “whitespace” < 1400281127 643951 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode INVISIBLE TIMES < 1400281128 172882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⁢ < 1400281141 238359 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, there's even a unicode character to represent multiplication that style! < 1400281147 147375 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with < 1400281150 326277 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode INVISIBLE PLUS < 1400281150 848406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⁤ < 1400281152 259337 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1400281153 632528 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ​⁢ < 1400281154 175607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+2062 INVISIBLE TIMES] < 1400281158 406173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisible plus is visible for me < 1400281160 573787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They ended up using "sin", "cos", "lim" because when Feynman used various strange symbols to mean them instead, everyone else got confused and didn't understand it. < 1400281180 501825 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm uh, pretty sure those symbols predate feynman < 1400281194 166869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which symbols are those? < 1400281195 803294 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's plenty of multisymbol math words : http://us.metamath.org/mpeuni/mmdefinitions.html < 1400281198 600178 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no i'm pretty sure nobody will ever be confused if iuse psi to indicate orbits and phi to indicate the transition function, what could possibly go wrong < 1400281202 902750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that the "=" symbol was invented in Wales? < 1400281214 410812 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊢ RingOps = {<.g, h>. ∣ ((g ∈ AbelOp ∧ h:(ran g × ran g)–→ran g) ∧ (∀x ∈ ran g∀y ∈ ran g∀z ∈ ran g(((xhy)hz) = (xh(yhz)) ∧ (xh(ygz)) = ((xhy)g(xhz)) ∧ ((xgy)hz) = ((xhz)g(yhz))) ∧ ∃x ∈ ran g∀y ∈ ran g((xhy) = y ∧ (yhx) = y)))} < 1400281219 700665 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: Yeah, by Feynman himself! < 1400281221 3181 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT CLEAR < 1400281221 564398 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sick, Slereah < 1400281224 361401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sick < 1400281227 23306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing is you can affect italic and roman text, so that variables are in italics and keywords in roman type. < 1400281227 832563 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, in 1557! < 1400281232 326170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not east coast sick. < 1400281237 873946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass1 has a story about a textbook that used v, ν, and script ν to mean different things < 1400281260 944209 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh is that the greek thingie < 1400281262 595415 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think I might have taken that class, but don't remember hwat it was < 1400281263 738715 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Textbooks commonly use bold to mean vectors < 1400281265 461624 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will destroy greek < 1400281266 61081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\nu < 1400281279 187426 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greeks can use it, I guess < 1400281280 164404 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice < 1400281281 770158 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right out for everyone else < 1400281285 367625 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊢ DIsoH = (k ∈ V ↦ (w ∈ (LHyp ‘k) ↦ (x ∈ (Base ‘k) ↦ if(x(le ‘k)w, (((DIsoB ‘k) ‘w) ‘x), (℩ u ∈ (LSubSp ‘((DVecH ‘k) ‘w))∀q ∈ (Atoms ‘k)((¬ q(le ‘k)w ∧ (q(join ‘k)(x(meet ‘k)w)) = x) → u = ((((DIsoC ‘k) ‘w) ‘q)(LSSum ‘((DVecH ‘k) ‘w))(((DIsoB ‘k) ‘w) ‘(x(meet ‘k)w))))))))) < 1400281286 222202 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1400281296 835361 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool story bro < 1400281306 306367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool theorem bro < 1400281326 182572 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that is the definition of an isomorphism H < 1400281336 889867 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool bro bro < 1400281530 985441 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400281821 414461 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh lifetimes < 1400281852 997509 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man if the annoying rust error is lifetime failure rather than segfaults i'm fucking sold < 1400281974 812247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some pinball game in computer, which has seven holes for the ball to drain, instead of just one. One is worth nothing, Two are worth fifth points each, two are worth one hundred points, and two of them cause instantly game over even if you have more balls to play. < 1400282155 103011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400282411 286166 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400282507 278299 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not that much of a story. I did drop a class when they did basically the same thing on the board, with three kinds of epsilon in the same equation, distinguished by slightly different levels of curliness < 1400282522 417117 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusion at nu was too common to even remark on < 1400282577 556564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass1, oh god, if I was leading that class... < 1400282587 67916 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was q-chem < 1400282589 2361 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have the worst handwriting when I'm not thinking about it) < 1400282605 115220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used to write my ns and as really similar < 1400282605 729278 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they let me take the actual physics version instead for the same major requirement. SO MUCH BETTER. < 1400282656 336976 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas nu you're kind of stuck with anywhere you're doing spectroscopy and it's not just that the particular lecturer or text sucks < 1400282691 24794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd a lecturer this year who wrote his rs like an n, his ns like an m, and his m like some kind of weird mutant letter < 1400282698 59740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the suspicion I'm trying to do something horrible with this code < 1400282720 46391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo does segfault sometimes :/ < 1400282722 458193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :less often than it used to < 1400282727 317227 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is q qauantitative or quantum < 1400282727 771374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains a fair amount of unsafe code, for various reasons < 1400282737 67523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year we had one who wrote beta the same way as b (he was greek, too) and labelled a series of vectors v1,v2,...wn < 1400282775 159840 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly mysteriously glad i haven't taken a math(y) class in years < 1400282860 560292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a similar vein the geometry lecturer just used the board as a substitute for his short-term memory, writing disjointed fragments hither and thither with no actual structure < 1400282890 891807 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How horrible is in Rust having a function that returns a closure that's captured an (otherwise inaccessible) vector? < 1400282902 618253 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum < 1400282928 393956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then mutates the vector potentially each time it's called < 1400282951 844637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you have a quantum chemistry class without actual physics... < 1400282959 819391 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like how everybody is afraid to tell me what a d orbital looks like < 1400282974 91242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I could make it a lot less horrible... but a lot less safe? < 1400282981 184283 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1400282991 42240 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the knowledge could quite possibly DRIVE YOU INSANE < 1400283031 967533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the one with a bunch of 6-fold symmetry isn't it < 1400283052 232125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's the f < 1400283057 676226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Wikipedia have any description/diagram to tell you what a d orbital looks like? < 1400283063 218799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the d is easy, i remember learning that at school < 1400283067 451172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah. < 1400283077 921605 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D_orbitals.svg < 1400283082 444395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think I remember seeing all of the orbitals in some book. < 1400283126 583659 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has pictures of the f orbitals, too, ones in actually existent atoms anyway < 1400283333 621565 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked my orgo prof where i could learn quantum and she basically said not to, so, i don't know what chemistry's deal is < 1400283354 165925 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400283593 438482 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400283605 195036 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400283718 261586 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400283734 649723 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400283887 809483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make infinite loops out of continuations and avoid a infinite loop operator? < 1400283923 156250 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you'd need a continuation that continuates to itself? sounds like fix < 1400283945 169720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :((call/cc call/cc) (call/cc call/cc)) < 1400283954 247886 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that. < 1400283996 78053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume you have law of excluded middle continuations < 1400284004 424709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I suppose you may be correct < 1400284016 429956 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400284016 579194 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400284032 310388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do it with haskell-style callCC, of course < 1400284042 8677 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: IEUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1400284114 52433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it with this handy operator, though: < 1400284121 11480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let getCC = callCC (return . fix) < 1400284122 148841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:158:9: < 1400284122 296224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (MonadCont m0) arising from a use of ‘callCC’ < 1400284122 296308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘m0’ is ambiguous < 1400284122 296347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include getCC :: m0 (m0 b) (bound at .L.hs:158:1) < 1400284122 296382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1400284130 283874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I optimize something to the point where Rust's benchmarker reports "0 ns/iter", what % improvement do I report < 1400284143 99013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let getCC :: MonadCont m => m (m a); getCC = callCC (return . fix) < 1400284145 264408 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity duh < 1400284145 648178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1400284161 646246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :∞ < 1400284162 448737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The monomorphism restriction is turned on for lambdabot? < 1400284190 412077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is turned on by the monomorphism restriction? < 1400284194 131529 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t return . fix < 1400284195 58886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (b -> b) -> m b < 1400284266 552665 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC < 1400284267 472123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadCont m => ((a -> m b) -> m a) -> m a < 1400284669 210339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: isn't it the best < 1400284762 322294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let getCC = callCC (return . fix) in getCC < 1400284763 753972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 (m0 b0))) < 1400284763 900665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M108163792579395769929310.show_M1081637925793957699... < 1400284763 900751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘m0’, ‘b0’ are ambiguous < 1400284763 900789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1400284763 900825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance [safe] GHC.Show.Show a => < 1400284797 575635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let getCC = callCC (return . fix) in "hi" < 1400284798 812428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1400284813 966167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, nice < 1400284817 783713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this may be the same problem with @let we discussed the other day < 1400284860 893571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it passes things through Lang.Haskell.something without extensions set < 1400284927 90263 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quelqun_dautre: bonsoir. es-tu quelqu'un d'autre? < 1400284938 846686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what a scow < 1400284962 567602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said it might be easy to fix, but not before the weekend. < 1400285014 279765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, can it be that, doesn't that phase only do parsing < 1400285018 636979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like a werewolf sort of bug < 1400285167 259132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it does two checks, the first only on the given declaration, then in L.hs context < 1400285194 661364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1400285569 497809 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400285570 393219 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "actual physics" I meant "run by the physics department." the chem department's version did indeed contain physics < 1400285682 831099 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400286121 646229 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my chem manual last term had instructions on how to read a graph of a line, so i'm a bit skeptical of chemphysics now < 1400286250 15000 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400286449 721447 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400286761 381180 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400287383 456637 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400287838 247592 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400288484 469118 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400288544 920668 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400288723 151400 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1400288767 646183 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400288885 466121 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400289612 22433 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH! why. why is my neighbour vacuum cleaning for at least the third time tonight... < 1400289773 76367 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400289953 438939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's the hygiene singularity approaching hth < 1400290100 49066 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400290148 570996 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about Approaching Singular Hygienes. I just want to be able to induce something that may resemble sleep on my person. < 1400290325 47873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400290667 268079 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400290744 51159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The saving throws for healing spells in Dungeons&Dragons are not symmetric! < 1400290841 954199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, the saving throw is different for living and undead targets.) < 1400290871 438934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :More symmetric probably would be if the saving throw is the same except for the "(harmless)" marker. < 1400291265 725654 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: RECUUMED CHICKEN < 1400291809 301152 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400292397 326392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well does keyless RC4 pass randomness tests? < 1400292949 186245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1400292998 733796 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean RC4 without a stream key? < 1400293077 459423 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The output would be deterministic at that point, no? < 1400293094 144604 :mekeor`!~user@f051040081.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400293125 372808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it could still be tested < 1400293143 421925 :mekeor!~user@f051132009.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400293157 484620 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a cryptographic standpoint, that wouldn't make much sense. < 1400293165 649135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can then add a key if you want it not to be the same each time, but make it the same for the same key. < 1400293201 691011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite uses RC4 with a 256-byte key for its random number generator. < 1400293214 234132 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the idea of the key with all stream ciphers. < 1400293244 370882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that < 1400293295 602368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite obtains the key from the VFS implementation, and is intended not to ever use the same key, although it is possible to do so. < 1400293303 874478 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can meaningfully define "random-looking" without a key, though. < 1400293332 874497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicom Hangman does not use a key, but it generates a new random number several times per frame and normally ignores the result. < 1400293359 130214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It only uses the result when the space-bar is held down) < 1400293425 161771 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400293461 143201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well do you expect that to work? < 1400293533 521893 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the application. < 1400293552 427141 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just need something that looks kinda random then, hey, you can't do worse than Pokémon. < 1400293558 83355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is a hangman game. < 1400293700 337293 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :RC4 is probably overkill for that unless your answers are TLS streams. < 1400294059 828769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I wanted to use is to generate random booster packs (such as for Limited tournaments in Magic: the Gathering). In such a case there would be a key, but if one is not explicitly specified, it could be generated automatically using date/time and other things. < 1400294091 193453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have 100 choices, you might use 7-bits and then if the result exceeds 99, you can try again until it doesn't exceed 99. < 1400294152 564956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, it is what I have implemented in any program which I implement a random number algorithm; I don't know how common it is.) < 1400294796 474828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RC4 is a shitty RNG < 1400294824 655789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has hella biases < 1400294852 708206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC4#Security < 1400294869 629312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most egregiously "the second output byte of the cipher was biased toward zero with probability 1/128 (instead of 1/256)" < 1400294882 387160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, it's not even suitable for non-cryptographic uses < 1400294906 851542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is commonly used though, it seems < 1400294979 548369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even without the modifications, although there are many modifications that are used too, such as skipping a lot of the start of the output, and/or modifying the key scheduling algorithm to run a large number of times, etc < 1400295054 120388 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just use an actual prng < 1400295334 317554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem clear now that RC4 is no good if used plainly, at least; you would have to use carefully. Actually any algorithm should be used carefully but RC4 has some specific weaknesses to consider. < 1400295424 250311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think any algorithm you are encrypting something with, you may want to compress it first, using a compression algorithm without headers and so on; you can even use especially what is known based on what kind of messages they are, for example if it is ASCII text one simple thing you can do is just ignore the bit7 of the results. < 1400296181 929763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing you can do with any algorithm, assuming the messages do not get lost, is the message, once decrypted, contains a key for next message, or some part of the key. < 1400296240 234890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also pad messages and add random junk inside of some parts and so on. < 1400296356 797692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, an attacker who knows that the message contains "Meet Jane and me tomorrow at 3:30 pm" at a particular point can recover the keystream at that point from the ciphertext and plaintext. Then the attacker can replace the original content with any other content of exactly the same length, such as "3:30 meeting is cancelled, stay home" by encrypting it with the recovered keystream, without knowing the encryption key. < 1400296373 722669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you add random junk inside of the message then you can avoid such a thing. < 1400296384 859326 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1400297250 22187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about steganography (possibly in combination with encryption), and even about encoding the text inside of a diagram of a flower, or in music, or something. Once someone blink their eye by a Morse code. Once I tried to use a coughing code to give the answers to a test (simply to see if I could). < 1400297754 128319 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-224-143.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400298040 258205 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1400298761 229858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I thought of is to use a deck of cards, in combination with a book describing the rules for some card game (the game described having nothing to do with the encryption). < 1400298878 299863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as sudoku (something described in Wikipedia), chess problems, astrology, and other things. < 1400298916 602591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in a game played at a chess tournament... < 1400298925 438015 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400299016 513762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have these been done? < 1400299613 415478 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400299810 654247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the following program to test the randomness of SQLite: create table d(v int); insert into d(v) with x(x) as (select 0 union all select x+1 from x where x<10000) select random('4d6dl') from x; select v, count() from d group by v order by v; What should be the proper probabilities of 4d6 drop-lowest having each total? < 1400300932 748681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe ten thousand samples would not be sufficient? < 1400301256 786340 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400301868 896029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably going to be one of those nights where I get really drunk and start writing weird / emo things on irc < 1400301872 839714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just letting you all know ahead of time < 1400301978 317864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you ready < 1400301978 500212 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hills; and even such whispers admitted that there was a long and close correspondence with carter had a still more mysterious realm where everything is white, and where the old chief fnord, they said, was the < 1400302205 845099 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1400302208 263303 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1400302211 610573 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1400302718 267701 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic carter < 1400302768 313045 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400302840 397521 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1400302842 415407 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ideasfortheadmins/comments/25rcsz/allow_moderators_of_subreddits_to_see_ipuseragent/ am I mistaken in what I posted? < 1400303105 117523 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I assume that there would be fewer hashes than IP addresses" seems weird < 1400303319 42383 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling with ipv6 < 1400303378 189422 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :md5 hashes are 128 bits, so the same length as v6. < 1400303422 146312 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if the algorithm is public" etc. is a basic standard for crypto, all the good algorithms are open, you know that. < 1400303490 125913 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1400303593 907769 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh hey, SHA2 can do up to 512. < 1400303753 781874 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this system obviously wouldn't much help against a half-savvy spammer, they'd just restart DHCP. < 1400303861 901290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHA-256, SHA-384, SHA-420 < 1400303896 61131 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yeah B) < 1400303985 405945 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha-3 < 1400304011 626371 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :birthday attacks around 2^1.5 < 1400304029 856862 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, three? < 1400304040 878442 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ** 1.5 < 1400304042 477786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.8284271247461903 < 1400304061 785580 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just say three. < 1400304087 223547 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont accept every two bit hash you come across < 1400304173 304925 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you meant sha-3 as a three bit hash, not "the third SHA", which it atually is. < 1400304398 788167 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400305281 378084 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, a play on words < 1400305284 297121 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fppcluongbjfgepe QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400305341 714281 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah beyond me < 1400306403 426755 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400308770 63491 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400309793 913456 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1400309828 464457 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400310514 722171 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400311196 687704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1400311198 176565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09ringcoin 02yabucoin 06retacoin 13dumbermiprelytinecoin 04duerecoin 07boulcoin 08madcoin 09frackledcoin 02cthcoin 06fettecoin 13brucoin 04quidcoin 07mkbcoin 08twingcoin 09magecoin 02mekacoin 06tunecoin 13ijulicoin 04reulcoin 07crainfusiccoin < 1400311371 437320 :password2!~password@197.78.183.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400312033 121281 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :herocoin, silicoin, bacoin < 1400312373 528420 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ringcoin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=548qCuDHe_Q < 1400314531 749790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39543&oldid=39505 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+92) 10 < 1400314578 989234 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39544 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+58) 10Created page with "Hello! == My languages == === Esoteric === * [[Forobj]]" < 1400317025 735837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/05/16/0955_peter_gutmann.pdf "It’s probably at least some sort of sign of the end times when your conference badge has a rootkit" < 1400319112 615209 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400319389 752920 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400319437 627491 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400319743 611292 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400319832 748206 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400320034 243978 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400320191 340236 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400320593 426157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400320957 486371 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400322654 521039 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400323220 975935 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400323902 846846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Exploit backwards-compatibility support in the CPU for bugs dating back to the 80286" sweet :) < 1400323942 113487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what he's mostly saying is "physical access to a machine is enough" < 1400324071 26902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah < 1400324072 377971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECB mode < 1400324167 302098 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make your own CPU! < 1400324172 299585 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of old vacuum tubes < 1400324177 530728 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And magnets < 1400324198 84115 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And springs < 1400324209 650270 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tubes < 1400324221 708551 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NSA will look at it and go "Man fuck that" < 1400324224 42099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cogs < 1400324227 202100 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is bullshit" < 1400324231 243991 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they'll leave it alone < 1400324381 138601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And coqs < 1400324388 370412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove it works < 1400324563 392148 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400324983 286703 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I love crypto, it tells me what part of the system not to bother attacking" < 1400325021 110857 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well some crypto is easy to attack < 1400325026 278505 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/05/16/0955_peter_gutmann.pdf "It < 1400325029 960178 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1400325065 150700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400325074 953139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had this idea for a secure key transmission protocol < 1400325102 465856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alice want's to transmit m, so she chooses a and r < 1400325114 603893 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :she transmits m+a `mod` r < 1400325118 865328 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know < 1400325124 783951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bob receives it and chooses b and sends m+a+b `mod` r < 1400325129 593363 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why physics is way better than cryptography < 1400325140 634068 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In cryptography, Alice is always sending shit to bob < 1400325143 39583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :alice receives it, subtracts her a and sends back m+a+b-a `mod` r < 1400325144 243156 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in physics < 1400325148 184395 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alice is on a spaceship < 1400325152 530319 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going at like 0.99 c < 1400325157 647189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bob subtracts his b again m+a+b-a-b `mod` r == m < 1400325160 384568 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1400325188 623165 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :little that you know that you can just calculate b as (m+a+b)-(m+a) < 1400325203 79445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt so dumb < 1400325206 67071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still do < 1400325519 106897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have miiiiiiilk < 1400325995 646095 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400326355 699736 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400326359 435183 :password2!~password@197.78.183.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400327932 127146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400328413 730422 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400329012 402606 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400329097 58200 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39545&oldid=39533 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* O */ rder < 1400329503 368794 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Word < 1400329504 882514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18446744073709551615 < 1400329520 347949 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Word8 < 1400329521 909498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 255 < 1400329613 159003 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Luiji 5* 10New user account < 1400329670 256588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let dmr = modify < 1400329672 373486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1400329688 980581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type dmr < 1400329689 897818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadState s m => (s -> s) -> m () < 1400329746 518359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39546&oldid=39457 5* 03Luiji 5* (+198) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ commented on the final fantasy idea < 1400329762 172189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Owhelgossip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39547&oldid=39532 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+34) 10formatting < 1400329770 998505 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type modify < 1400329771 942021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadState s m => (s -> s) -> m () < 1400329773 492934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lambdabot has the monomorphism restriction turned off, but there was not {-# LANGUGAE NoMonomorphismRestriction #-} in L.hs. < 1400330050 489172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "dmr" = "dreaded monomorphism restriction" < 1400330064 808863 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1400330070 438533 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad it's in the language spec < 1400330076 216592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's dreaded mainly because it leads to obscure type errors) < 1400330533 501760 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400330852 525099 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400330889 544523 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400330933 27721 :password2!~password@197.78.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400330949 434814 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400331478 459032 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400331892 410797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39548&oldid=39546 5* 03188.120.201.244 5* (+111) 10 < 1400332974 753665 :password2!~password@197.78.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400333418 250331 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400333472 219303 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-223.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400333474 748653 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-006-161-035.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400333486 603686 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-223.pools.arcor-ip.net NICK :Melvar < 1400333752 890572 :password2!~password@197.78.139.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400333792 115876 :nucular_!~MOO@p4FC7EB9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400333797 740737 :password2!~password@197.78.139.117 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400333801 354499 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400333823 513236 :nucular_!~MOO@p4FC7EB9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de NICK :nucular < 1400333827 442729 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7EB9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1400333827 589365 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400333831 517541 :password2!~password@197.78.139.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400334362 398502 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400334864 275756 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP I AM BOOKING A HOTEL FOR AN ANIME CONVENTION < 1400334874 102601 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE SIMULTANEOUSLY GAINED AND LOST CONTROL OF MY LIFE < 1400334886 726011 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1400334900 749155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, I'm going to attend an anime convention nearby < 1400334907 177726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrow < 1400334907 857132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors. < 1400334931 256605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :way ahead of me < 1400334974 816674 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: TANELLE. THIS IS GOOD FOR YOU. HAVE YOU EVER ATTENDED AN ANIME CONVENTION BEFOREHAND, AND/OR MITIGATED YOUR LIFE CONTROL? < 1400334987 492532 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have attended one before (it was this one last year) < 1400334996 96515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that time I stayed at a friend's house < 1400335242 742588 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anyone who's got a minute to read / comment on some text for a banner? If so, I'll /msg the link < 1400335248 867329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1400335292 101916 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a real banner or a web page advertisement? < 1400335306 42559 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A real banner :-) < 1400335339 871483 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds fun < 1400335346 316184 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400335356 477590 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! < 1400335386 814643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you never explained what exactly i would need to do to move (temporarily) to canada and work < 1400335393 417618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1400335471 684322 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: thanks, sent < 1400335505 200844 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400335544 42238 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: eh... as a whole, I think you need «une conjointe», some family, a referral, a job contract or something else to that same effect. < 1400335560 485811 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: !̈ < 1400335614 984295 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fr:conjointe → en:de facto spouse. < 1400335648 550927 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our Fine Government wants either families or workers in a plug'n'play state. < 1400335757 126535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :get me a job! :P < 1400335763 532867 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a real banner(1). < 1400335847 425618 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you could try workopolis → http://www.workopolis.com/rechercheemploi/trouver-emplois#pt=%257C2%257C&lg=FR&l=%257Cmontreal%252Cquebec%257C&pr=-1 < 1400335857 807823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, what if I have an Australian citizenship < 1400335873 876201 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: eh... is Australia part of the Commonwealth? < 1400335895 317149 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's where I found my current job. (previous one was through internships, so I can't really help you there.) < 1400335915 201280 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, yes < 1400335917 184382 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: besides, you're a UK resident, so you're already commonwealthian. < 1400335934 567003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australia sometimes has nicer treaties < 1400335942 478962 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much easier for aussies :\ < 1400335944 890186 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be /slightly/ easier for Taneb to apply for a Canadian job. < 1400335990 141489 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's easier to get a job in the US as an Australian than it is as a Brit < 1400335996 14315 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Banque Nationale and Desjardins are booming right now. if you could land something with them, it'd be a nice cushiony job. < 1400336019 81245 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they need software thing < 1400336020 27138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1400336035 60569 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what they need right fungotting now. < 1400336035 345574 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: his daughter, the dawn is nigh, though only about two feet tall, paved with octagonal blocks and solidly vaulted overhead. there would he ever say he once dwelt as a prince, though here we knew him from his birth though he thought himself a king's son. he was pulled out of bed and into empty space. again the fnord of < 1400336101 457832 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, the father of the Dwarven Octagonal Block Vaulting Champion. < 1400336101 661184 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tried to keep the guards in shape and size, and weathered and pitted to the very confines of infinity. < 1400336105 453809 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I have any need or desire to work in Canada right now < 1400336114 685514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with being on the first year of a degree < 1400336274 251956 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a chunk missing from my number 9 incisor that is what i need fixed right fungotting now < 1400336274 505437 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: trapped though he was, however, are of the keenest interest and poignancy; suggesting with marvelous force the imminence of nameless terrors, and how taran-ish had died from fear and left a dead village whose corpses were horribly mangled, chewed, and clawed. < 1400336458 88419 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twitches. “it's tooth number 21, not 9!” < 1400336748 663848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1400336748 853837 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1400336774 815340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz < 1400336774 962523 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011) < 1400336787 734286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you need to balance the darkness < 1400336788 104442 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: t-rex, i have big news the other is a sad realization i always sort of a first world problem, yes, that language is good for domain-specific solutions, but it doesn't make me less of a man! < 1400337697 830330 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you guys number them differently? < 1400337967 365883 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400338097 361568 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400338337 176520 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400338481 419658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect octagonal blocks to tile. < 1400338512 362502 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we number them ISO style → http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_notation < 1400338518 778270 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you lack imagination. < 1400338538 597956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you put squares in between, too) < 1400338593 337915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the iso system does seem fairly sane < 1400338605 894809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how about non-convex octagons... < 1400338620 316897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad my dentists would get confused if i said 21 (that's not even an incisor in the universal system) < 1400338627 994624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or hyperbolic geometry < 1400338664 760303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: O, I forgot... I suppose especially if they are many different shapes of octagons; and, yes different kind of geometry too (at least, geometry is one thing I did think of) < 1400338718 782746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about infinite regress octagonal fractal tiling < 1400338732 970174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is. < 1400338757 300590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tile the plane with octagons. then you fill the spaces between them with octagons < 1400338759 372093 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but if you allow them to have different shapes then it becomes almost trivial. < 1400338765 554631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then repeat with smaller octagons < 1400338767 398833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and smaller < 1400338768 478522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1400338771 780445 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in our software, we have a tooth number class, with methods to get the international and American numbers. < 1400338779 968802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes I know that < 1400338793 492468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. is a square removed from a square an octagon? it has 8 corners, 4 outside, 4 inside... < 1400338820 628952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can fill a shape with triangles of different shapes too) < 1400338987 596965 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ianam, but no. < 1400339020 838745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think so; I count nine sides. Still I don't really know. < 1400339102 207132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I agree, but I found the thought amusing. < 1400339144 549480 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a car has eight wheels. two in front, two in the back, two left and two right :D < 1400339236 784634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also count twelve corners in the shape described. < 1400339267 104295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am probably both wrong, though. < 1400339292 646920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/tile.png is what I had in mind when I mentioned non-convex octagons < 1400339334 778534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that works. < 1400339414 21655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh you work with dental. i forgot < 1400339489 310732 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/jmgzg0w.png < 1400339495 5284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the square with a square hole is, as a polygon, a degenererated decagon (with two coincident edges connecting an outside corner to an inside corner) < 1400339515 930441 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I am pretty sure that a number of those characters are not ASCII < 1400339546 297796 :alone!~superior@hosting.rikairchy.net NICK :syndrome < 1400339547 50448 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be possible to get six, eight, nine or twelve sides, but no others. < 1400339588 19013 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh. ooooooooh... < 1400339625 997477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sides for what? < 1400339842 950066 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A polygon obtainable by removing a square from a square. < 1400339882 781427 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, only six, eight or nine. < 1400340028 172679 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I see what you mean < 1400340122 174452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you had 12 you should also get 10 (with two corners of the inner square touching the sides) < 1400340262 101796 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the sides is not necessary, so it should not be counted. < 1400340902 576334 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400340940 965182 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BROTHABLE CHICKEN < 1400341081 514526 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400341190 265805 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-223.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400341314 556171 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-000-105.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400341781 748125 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400341841 143730 :password2!~password@197.78.139.117 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400342278 358683 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400342447 778596 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantasy Star Online (Japanese: ファンタシースターオンライン Hepburn: Fantashī sutā Onrain < 1400342618 182129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Marufelusu < 1400342951 766354 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400342992 466305 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400343010 559607 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400343036 2816 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400343090 491621 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400343131 366963 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400343249 431651 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400343316 923003 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400343462 848606 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400343513 573050 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400343603 267249 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOD7Ni_3NIc < 1400343631 712646 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, they're doubling this guy's health repeatedly, but in the middle someone adds a +3 to that characters health, which totally ruins the pretty numbers imo :( < 1400343715 615954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think that +3 didn't register, hmm < 1400343725 261545 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it did < 1400344071 163613 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400344371 227181 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice 32 bit integer overflow though. < 1400344765 301449 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400345591 85445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PHL 1.014]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39549 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+2094) 10Created page with "'''Proceed High Language 1.0''' (also known as '''PROCEED''') is an esoteric programming language created by [[user:GermanyBoy]] in 2012. == Syntax == PHL 1.0 is based on su..." < 1400346022 517393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PHL 1.014]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39550&oldid=39549 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+533) 10 < 1400346136 986708 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400346238 786875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39551&oldid=39544 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+14) 10 < 1400346282 288437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39552&oldid=39545 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+14) 10/* P */ < 1400346456 310563 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LibreSSL – An OpenSSL replacement. The first 30 days, and where we go from here. http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan14-libressl/mgp00001.html < 1400346496 362393 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1400346520 201291 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :love the font < 1400346646 891765 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebcdic support, lol < 1400346712 449472 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400347187 528115 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PHL 1.014]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39553&oldid=39550 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+951) 10 < 1400347217 334319 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2002/vgnews/052802/gc_keyboard_790screen001.jpg < 1400347428 128929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PHL 1.014]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39554&oldid=39553 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+64) 10 < 1400347796 832216 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400347864 6916 :password2!~password@197.78.139.201 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400348213 436213 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400348245 254206 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400348363 522451 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C432ED.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400348498 248417 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400348559 519419 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400348689 879547 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400348873 364531 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400348926 740158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which PC motherboards includes a Forth system (or BASIC or assembler) in BIOS so that it can boot without an operating system? < 1400348960 287959 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original PC, at least < 1400349016 152474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better is if, such a thing also includes command for CMOS setting and for internet connection and serial port, so it is still possible to use it as a simple telnet client or terminal to directly connected equipment, and using for downloading an operating system using internet. < 1400349017 179425 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there ever were PCs with open firmware those'd have forth < 1400349034 320142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Open Firmware compatible with the PC BIOS, though? < 1400349038 918817 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1400349055 270468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it isn't much PC. < 1400349056 725813 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one could've simulated it, like EFIs do < 1400349185 503886 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly mapoles nortti for having mentioned EFI < 1400349187 68556 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uefi boards often have anetwork stack < 1400349200 567897 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate EFI, UEFI, and all that weird crap. < 1400349228 69520 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice. < 1400350826 486948 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1400350834 583498 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(suh-weeet! “You finish putting on the +3 ring mail "Shoim" {+Inv rF+ rN+ Str+3 SInv}.”) < 1400350886 445628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now will they let you remove it too? < 1400350931 274303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39555&oldid=39542 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+132) 10 < 1400350947 670556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ring mail. < 1400350989 395656 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice! the centaur in me is happy ^^ < 1400351005 285831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a centaur in you? < 1400351010 719327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ring mail. < 1400351039 177738 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1400351078 811893 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then answer it. < 1400351104 124171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39556&oldid=39555 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+28) 10 < 1400351220 46419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of the http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gentzen so far? < 1400351471 305487 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a glance, it feels like an uncompressed ursala mixed in with abbreviated ruby-ish perl. < 1400351482 681703 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has “iosys” in it, which in my book is a big plus. < 1400351529 736125 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(holy fungot. two scrolls of acquirement on Lair:1. the RNG will hit me hard soon...) < 1400351529 926370 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so, hey, it was our table! if he's interested, he'll push it back to your side. the salt shaker over to their side, this means that that one incident to say that sentence: < 1400351570 741434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acquire better armour < 1400351583 836179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncompressed ursala? I don't know of that. And how is it like mixed with abbreviated ruby-ish perl. < 1400351605 229582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But if such an armour is cursed, then it would make it difficult to acquire a better one, I think? < 1400351633 561872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove curse scrolls are incredibly common in crawl :p < 1400351648 704205 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's exactly what I did. “the +2 pair of gloves of Sakiem (worn) {Str+2}” < 1400351685 886698 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there actually are some HP laptops with firmware (I think) linux system that is very limited and shitty < 1400351720 558658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK then use remove curse scroll if you find a better armor and then find that the one you just put on cannot come off. < 1400351799 397791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: How limited is it? I would think is better having a BIOS with Forth included, but doesn't include a whole bunch of stuff like application programs and so on. < 1400351831 662356 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a out of date firefox and a shitty filesystem browser, iirc < 1400351878 42348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really silly < 1400351971 79225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better would be to have a Forth system with direct hardware access, and perhaps a terminal emulator < 1400352075 929918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know about Ursala (I cannot find the information), and I don't know what "abbreviated ruby-ish perl" quite means. Can you explain it better perhaps? < 1400352242 748838 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cpressey sez: “I also wanted to implement it in URSALA, but its official website seems to have vanished. (Well, I didn't stand a chance, anyway, really.)” on his user page. < 1400352275 166335 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think https://github.com/gueststar/Ursala is pretty legit about ursala. < 1400352306 209601 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby-ish perl is just that nice visual over-abundance of punctuation symbols seasoning a program listing. < 1400352654 772521 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400354079 987494 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400354414 362390 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400354985 482050 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400355262 451393 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400355682 221049 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400356142 480146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seems to resemble URSALA to me < 1400356227 242542 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ELVISH CHICKEN < 1400357215 248598 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400357283 544327 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :marking first-year logic is fun < 1400357361 173391 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400357720 448677 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400358340 984855 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400358402 22794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer to stay in a hotel where the floor labels aren't numbers but instead are colors that indicate what color the pokemons are that correspond to the room numbers on that floor? < 1400358427 804954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1400358524 465929 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1400358563 436651 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a hotel? < 1400358577 498684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1400358980 495536 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400359200 270781 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely. < 1400359205 942672 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like an amazing hotel < 1400359210 286342 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should all pool our money and build it < 1400359862 644581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort looks affordable. http://technabob.com/blog/2010/02/08/five-stars-cardboard-hotel/ < 1400359924 473827 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should give one of my students the 'most likely to be a doctor' award < 1400360576 476091 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400361005 402737 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1400361039 396664 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1400361101 384999 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400361282 428206 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400361554 123689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400362119 15857 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1400362227 920253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about SWIG but it doesn't have some, such as SQL, Haskell, Forth, FORTRAN, AWK, and a few others. < 1400362517 157931 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dckwnoqhxgajjhcn JOIN :#esoteric < 1400362998 403329 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400363066 602941 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/mc_hankins/status/467766548162412545/photo/1/large Statistics. < 1400363646 308794 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400363907 74953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1400364091 258643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OK to make a random selection from a list you don't know how long, if you first have a 1/1 chance to pick the first one, a 1/2 chance to discard it and put the second one instead, a 1/3 chance to discard it and put the third one instead, etc? < 1400364195 103086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, twitter replies point out people might just be writing p = 0.05 rather than 0.050 < 1400364213 193742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runContT < 1400364213 898937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ContT r m a -> (a -> m r) -> m r < 1400364244 703096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :runCøntT < 1400364251 812813 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in the replies he mentions he just cut out .05 entirely since he couldn't text search it. the point is the asymmetry. < 1400364258 688039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cødensity < 1400364307 41676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a truly significant finding < 1400364311 233738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400364335 607947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there must be a better pun in it but I didn't fine it) < 1400364351 217906 :augur!~augur@50.246.71.61 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400364363 641442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/882/ is relevant < 1400364416 217298 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably should have indicated this on the graph, but oh well < 1400364440 54783 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is he wearing goggles < 1400364467 244293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :to protect his eyes < 1400364493 299952 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400364497 555663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there are 4 people involved in that story < 1400364524 177639 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1400364535 96641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he, she, scientist A and scientist B. < 1400364561 211694 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I base this on the first panel, which has voices coming from the right. < 1400364576 185242 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400364579 200657 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many are wearing goggles < 1400364597 448776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, scientist ... mumble ... A, I guess. < 1400364697 605019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that what-if is now using xkcd comics as a reference < 1400364722 577492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :has what-if become interesting again? < 1400364758 429968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there've been a few interestng ones lately! < 1400364794 925005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 'interestng' = 'describes apocalyptically ridiculous events qualitatively, rather than just working out how much milk it'd take to drown all the rabbits' < 1400365347 445077 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400365354 272255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this *is* cute, "Have you ever tried to make a tower of peanut butter?" < 1400365892 357756 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400366009 562216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know an answer of my question about a random selection? < 1400366020 291510 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400366020 438895 :atehwa!~atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400366052 168398 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. the answer is yes. < 1400366147 354949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the items have different weights can I do for example, 5/5, 4/9, 3/12, 2/14, 1/15, etc? < 1400366188 437097 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do whatever you dream. < 1400366217 357437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I can obviously program that in, but I meant, would it work OK? < 1400366249 946324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm pretty sure i've seen your 1/n algorithm before. < 1400366250 94797 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what your criteria for "OK" are, so probably. < 1400366266 994130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where have you seen it? < 1400366353 854674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, it seems implied in the fisher-yates shuffle. < 1400366377 700502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you use it only for finding the first element, say) < 1400366434 814805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am only searching for a single element of the list, although they may have different weights (possibly even zero) and the weights may vary. < 1400366495 67960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you can adapt it to use weights. < 1400366535 243833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, switch in a number with the probability of it + the remaining numbers. < 1400366556 761966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. just calculate the probability of the current item w.r.t. the items seen so far, and replace the item you have by the current item with that probability. < 1400366571 384013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the way I specified work? < 1400366595 830772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not the probability of the current item, the probability of the current item _or any later one_ < 1400366599 566991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(combined) < 1400366619 727976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1400366620 974897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I've seen the (unweighted) 1/n approach, too. < 1400366633 541799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let xs = [5%5,4%9,3%12,2%14,1%15] in zipWith (/) xs (scanl1 (+) xs) < 1400366635 19738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1 % 1,4 % 13,9 % 61,36 % 463,84 % 2399] < 1400366675 213746 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are your probabilities for discarding the previous item and replacing it by the current one. < 1400366685 355899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let xs = [1%1,1,1,1,1,1,1] in zipWith (/) xs (scanl1 (+) xs) < 1400366686 839540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1 % 1,1 % 2,1 % 3,1 % 4,1 % 5,1 % 6,1 % 7] < 1400366717 878759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the probability to discard and replace with the current one are 5/5, 4/9, 3/12, 2/14, 1/15. < 1400366729 4266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservoir_sampling < 1400366734 481275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm. < 1400366735 701269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh brain closing down < 1400366786 380629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the weight is 5,4,3,2,1) < 1400366795 855838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, the weights will not be known ahead of time < 1400366807 563502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ys = zipWith (/) [5%5,4%9,3%12,2%14,1%15] (scanl (+) 1 ys) in ys < 1400366809 103752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1 % 1,2 % 9,9 % 80,720 % 11767,564816 % 20298727] < 1400366833 980832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no. < 1400366834 523576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think int-e is about right, anyway < 1400366900 206929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there might be an off by one error or not in there < 1400366922 423820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400366934 875763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I have made several kind of mistake, I don't know < 1400366935 343899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want scanl (+) 1 ys, just scanl1 (+) ys < 1400366959 268004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the first was right. < 1400366969 232294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fix it by moving the 1" < 1400367071 152222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ys = scanl (*) 5 (map (\p -> 1/(1-p)) $ tail [5%5,4%9,3%12,2%14,1%15]) in zipWith (-) ys (0:ys) < 1400367072 725736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5 % 1,4 % 1,3 % 1,2 % 1,1 % 1] < 1400367079 90313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a small complication if an initial segment has weights 0, though. < 1400367096 987427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a bit tricky to get right) < 1400367121 344722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were calculating in reverse < 1400367121 562239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes clearly such thing is then wrong, but based on the algorithm actually in use it probably isn't a problem if the weight is 0. < 1400367146 211459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well you just need to handle division by zero correctly. < 1400367168 388816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not actually doing any division to generate the random numbers, though. < 1400367176 527917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just skipping the initial elements, though. < 1400367179 873543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was verifying zzo38's calculation, yes. (and cheating a bit, too, see the hard-coded 5) < 1400367190 711305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well you need division if you are starting from a list of weights < 1400367205 809098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the probabilities < 1400367209 601987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list of weights is not accessed ahead of time, though. < 1400367221 489110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to do it without accessing the list ahead of time. < 1400367255 891461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so does this, i was wrong about the idea of looking at later weights, you need the sum of the previous ones like int-e's scanl1 (+) < 1400367274 435867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does not look ahead. < 1400367286 871125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum of previous weights (including the current weight) is what I did. < 1400367390 338792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess you don't need division if you are generating a random number in [0..sum of weights-1] < 1400367409 424348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I am doing. < 1400367410 698964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you still need to handle the sum being 0 < 1400367449 612324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, this seems to work < 1400367501 265698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The algorithm I use is to generate however many bits of random is needed, and then if the result is too high, try again until it is in range. For example to make 0 to 99, make 7-bits number, and if it exceed 99 then try again. < 1400367510 938096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as an exercise you can process the list in chunks < 1400367540 752059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah you shouldn't discard all of the number < 1400367561 952648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Why? < 1400367595 655217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does waste bits < 1400367603 84830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: instead, note that if a random 7 bit number n exceeds 99, then n-100 is uniformely distributed between 0 and 27 (inclusively). < 1400367631 423820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : sqlite3_result_text(cxt,sqlite3_db_filename(sqlite3_context_db_handle(cxt),sqlite3_value_text(*argv)),-1,SQLITE_TRANSIENT); < 1400367632 280833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding another two bits to that gives you something uniform in 0..103. < 1400367637 60291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1400367641 702319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mispaste < 1400367667 297490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't doing alll that stuff just make it more confusing? < 1400367669 661340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an optimisation, of course, but it's pretty cheap to implement. < 1400367713 5037 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400367829 33160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZEhj?c < 1400367843 984765 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1400367877 541221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (u < n) -> for ( ; u < n; u <<= 1) < 1400367974 520988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually it's safe to replace that u < n by u <= n. (The invariant that the code maintains is that v is uniform in 0..u-1) < 1400368018 5894 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400368186 794452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so trying again: http://sprunge.us/iWjS?c < 1400368464 822503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove it better than the one I did. < 1400368791 773322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 0..99, yours needs 8.96 random bits on average (7 * 128/100), mine needs 7.48(36) (7 + 28/128 * (2 + 4/104 * 5) * 1/(1-28/128 * 4/104)) < 1400369015 166090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1400369059 151620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you keep the (v,r) state around rather than clearing it every time, you can get to the optimal log_2(100) random bits average. < 1400369062 291933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite see how it would work though, but I can see how those how many it need in average < 1400369098 910638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the program I am using can only generate eight bits at a time, and I have it generating sixty-four at a time (due to some other reasons) < 1400369283 115574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually even that way it still waste many bits of randomness. (you're using that number 0..99 to make a binary choice, say between 0..41 and 42..99. You can actually add the remaining uniform 0..41 or 0..57 (99-42) back into the (v,r) state. These ideas come from arithmetic coding in data compression. < 1400369291 324471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1400369296 192594 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400369395 397854 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400369408 983068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :To add a random number x in [0..n-1] to (v,r), the calculation is r = r*n (we get n times as many distinct values) and v = v*n + x. One has to be a bit careful about overflows when doing that though. < 1400369520 439048 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I made a mistage above; we won't get to log_2(100) average this way. < 1400369529 455133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also cannot type. < 1400369535 52890 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400369772 898093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see what you mean now about binary choice < 1400369920 411249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think the random number generator is quite the slowest thing in the program, and adding too many things might confuse it (and, sometimes may slow it down due to many instructions, regardless what the O(...) is), rather than making a simple and clearly programming < 1400369957 127644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is good you make such idea anyways, to study how much it could be done, in case it can make some of these improvements later if it seem it would be help much. < 1400370158 247477 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400370780 729538 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora hasn't been here for a while, did something happen? < 1400370800 936978 :mekeor`!~user@f051040081.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400370886 35162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she left because of some homophobic comments < 1400370973 403201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you particularly want to know, read the logs < 1400371007 155049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1400371058 44235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good reason to leave a channel < 1400371171 486333 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400371369 886688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am sad < 1400371407 139950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400371408 415777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sad < 1400371441 185404 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400371755 312506 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400371755 459932 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400372010 642127 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we start having a stricter policy against that sort of thing? < 1400372057 167312 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :offensive jokes must be this funny |-----------------| to share < 1400372062 448503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember how it went back then < 1400372104 172497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at present I'm not able to enforce such a policy, for personal / psychological reasons < 1400372116 627962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if other ops wish to do so then it is fine with me < 1400372125 627095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I feel like I will be part of the problem no matter what I do :/ < 1400372132 529522 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1400372175 200153 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1400372185 708355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban everyone, OKAY < 1400372217 35248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's probably bad to have a policy that some ops can't enforce < 1400372217 896290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember why it wasn't enforced back then. < 1400372219 483168 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400372234 602350 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ops can't enforce it? < 1400372259 815224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, I just said < 1400372261 665820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: PAY ATTENTION < 1400372266 823811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR YOU WILL BE BANNED < 1400372269 911553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care and I think if those people leave due to such thing they are probably their own fault, although also whoever wrote such thing should be careful too (in order to avoid such thing), even if you have free speech too. < 1400372302 51336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't understand why you couldn't enforce it < 1400372337 109149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait was it quintopia who started it back then < 1400372354 319192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you disagree how funny/offensive they are? It can be possible < 1400372362 659632 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400372366 973033 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what you mean VERY PROBABLY < 1400372394 651932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because these days whenever I think about social justice things it triggers intense depressive symptoms < 1400372413 958399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really sad and bitter about all of it < 1400372421 758204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand that < 1400372437 890384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are people who cannot emotionally handle these kind of jokes, due to past trauma or whatever. < 1400372444 720276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :about people being sexist/racist/homophobic assholes, about the psychological warfare tactics of the people who fight them online, about my own role in systems of oppression < 1400372489 131604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn now i have to stop reading you before i get depressive symptoms < 1400372512 702808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a war fought by dehumanization and by attacking the idea of empathy < 1400372581 518630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also why i really really need to stop using twitter < 1400372593 604892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's make dehumanization and attacking the idea of empathy the bannable offence. also, triggering despressive symptoms. < 1400372610 146462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me of the recent goodmath post http://www.goodmath.org/blog/2014/05/11/depression-and-arrogant-assholes/ < 1400372627 826965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's also posted about sexism previously iirc) < 1400372640 501367 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone remind me who's an op in here? < 1400372697 223780 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, i am not authorized to ask chanserv < 1400372727 823168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, that some people don't handle this kind of jokes. That isn't your fault, but those people who don't handle it, should have the right to complain < 1400372742 733864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: me, fizzie, ais523, kmc and elliott are the active ones < 1400372749 194722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But maybe some people are depressed of strange thing < 1400372758 552255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, OK, thanks < 1400372779 919569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait you aren't? < 1400372790 330999 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg chanserv flags #esoteric < 1400372795 175390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just being sarcastic < 1400372808 209209 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not authorized to perform this operation. < 1400372826 510951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, you should need argument of absolutely everything anyways, including (but not limited to), dehumanization, empathy, free speech, goodmath post, me, you, etc. < 1400372849 763958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. i never noticed that required authorization. < 1400372849 911162 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if that's the good way to look shit up though < 1400372869 508166 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so that you can run channels as if you're the KGB i guess < 1400372881 387079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try CS ACCESS #esoteric LIST that works for me < 1400372901 38618 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thank you. < 1400372986 769753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funny, those give identical results afaict < 1400373001 223142 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you have privilege < 1400373003 539101 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check it < 1400373007 637261 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i m o) < 1400373049 618631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course i do. < 1400373089 166994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just funny that it makes a command require authorization if it gives the same result as an unauthorized one < 1400373136 293985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess it's also possible you _don't_ see the same result as i. < 1400373179 791396 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to sleep at some point. < 1400373208 829823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent plan < 1400373262 215457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And until then, until then, until they've reason to think I've a shot at redemption, until then, I'm not talking" < 1400373404 367732 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400373527 312042 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish for all of you to find happiness in unlikely places. Goodnight. < 1400373543 810731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same to you Taneb < 1400373545 984513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night :) < 1400373574 51226 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol bike < 1400373593 262409 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to remember the name of that joke programming language < 1400373628 392731 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it https://gitorious.org/c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality/ < 1400373715 880444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1400373841 473277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a ORD, CHR, ORD_U, CHR_U function to replace the UNICODE and CHAR function in SQL, and I have figured out the followings: < 1400373851 147567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORD(CHR_U(10000000)) makes 248, ORD_U(CHR_U(10000000)) makes 10000000, ORD_U(CHAR(10000000)) makes 65533, UNICODE(CHAR(10000000)) makes 65533, UNICODE(CHR_U(10000000)) makes 10000000, UNICODE(CHR_U(100000000)) makes 100000000, ORD_U(CHR_U(100000000)) makes 100000000, ORD_U(CHR_U(0)) makes 0, UNICODE(CHR_U(0)) makes 65533, UNICODE(CHAR(0)) makes NULL, ORD_U(CHAR(0)) makes NULL. < 1400373856 440879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORD_U(CHR_U(64138178286)) makes 64138178286, UNICODE(CHR_U(64138178286)) makes -286331154, UNICODE(CHAR(64138178286)) makes 65533, ORD_U(CHAR(64138178286)) makes 65533, ORD_U(CHAR(99999999999)) makes 65533, and ORD_U(CHR_U(99999999999)) results in an error message. < 1400373861 229797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this better or not? < 1400373953 750176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C+= mentions "Now hosted on Gitorious, as GitHub, BitBucket, and Google all prove to be too misogynistic to support a feminist programming language." I don't think it necessarily means it is misogynistic, but, my own opinion is that you should be allowed to make such program if you want to, whether or not it is feminist or anything else whatever < 1400374057 693429 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, there was enough whining that they took it down from github < 1400374073 114279 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha seriously < 1400374150 205240 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but, in feminist spirit, they (c+=) have to say that its because those sites are misogynistic < 1400374180 742944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, yes they can say that if they want < 1400374873 898425 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my. < 1400374874 799889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sti::cout of_the_following "Hello, feminists!\n". //Frankly I feel that line escape codes could be problematic < 1400374895 426666 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :preceded by: / // "std" is sooooo old-fashioned. we use "sti" nowadays. < 1400374895 574066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ://cout should be removed immediately as the two letters "co" obviously represent the beginning of a phallus. < 1400374907 541585 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400375594 952499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400378359 420412 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400379605 432258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400380635 382873 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400382837 507619 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400383322 404308 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400383375 398115 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400383994 91197 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-110-35.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400384249 992060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nythe < 1400384413 731818 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-163-65.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400385947 865820 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400387366 366908 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-163-65.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds < 1400387410 250624 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-96-111.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400387674 304511 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400387678 248956 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-96-111.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400387816 401931 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400388310 472114 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400389172 561609 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Excess Flood < 1400389196 923347 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400389943 687132 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400390440 444417 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400390670 920560 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"George Westinghouse promptly bought Tesla's patents, employed Tesla to develop them, and assigned C. F. Scott to help Tesla, Tesla leaving for other pursuits in 1889.[23][30][33][34][35][36][37][37][38][38][39][40] [41][42][43][44]" < 1400390687 898448 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1400390708 616299 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are you sure" < 1400390936 326058 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, got sunburned. Is a single day of sunburn as bad as a single day of smoking? < 1400390956 431630 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what my risk is < 1400391086 458589 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400391102 94682 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to be blistering < 1400391109 166156 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just red < 1400391223 444562 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might not be as big an issue as lack of sleep... which is systemic for me, so more comparable to smoking cigarettes regularly < 1400391659 701284 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But lack of sleep can't cause cancer. < 1400391693 415226 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it let a cancer that would otherwise be destroyed be viable? If lack of sleep is bad for immune system... < 1400391696 204684 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not nearly as bad < 1400391711 28795 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: melanoma is easy to treat if caught early < 1400391770 818989 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the really dangerous kind of skin cancer < 1400391862 85354 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400391979 60174 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400392884 469900 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox can render webpages in 3D < 1400392974 492121 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mdn.mozillademos.org/files/3625/3dview.png < 1400392993 725139 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grab a deck and plug in to cyberspace < 1400394746 232765 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400395479 458433 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400395527 233202 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400396579 520472 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400396585 732135 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400396641 822383 :password2!~password@197.78.148.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400396851 483353 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400397313 398429 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400397889 398607 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400398078 594155 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400398200 357666 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400398241 373940 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400402177 162244 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400402996 984590 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400403155 294722 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400403198 412933 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400403326 171426 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400403337 963927 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400403520 271087 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400403684 258318 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dckwnoqhxgajjhcn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400403928 117974 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning, #esoteric! < 1400403942 192373 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mornin' < 1400404818 867445 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1400405622 398420 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400407957 406588 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400408688 776237 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400408731 237622 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400408884 792328 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400409885 474162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400410763 646225 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400411386 295620 :password2!~password@197.78.148.110 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400411587 21673 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400412953 409169 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400412964 468534 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.coinbase.com/post/85758038492/10-of-free-bitcoin-for-college-students < 1400412985 651489 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1400412987 205798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09boaracoin 02azumarkcoin 06bigcoin 13balackcoin 04incolcoin 07dipucoin 08homeoncoin 09zetacoin 02revcoin 06revillacoin 13ploycoin 04pertacoin 07syllcoin 08bfficidcoin 09rockcoin 02versexumcoin 06interandrecoin 13revilcoin 04eiccancoin 07singcoin < 1400413003 132186 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400413098 356361 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400413393 769702 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400414945 116959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400415503 333530 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400415620 263802 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400415647 822455 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400415857 369434 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400415858 407251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo Can it let a cancer that would otherwise be destroyed be viable? If [...] is bad for immune system... <-- YES WORRYING ABOUT THINGS ALL THE TIME PROBABLY CAN DO THAT HTH < 1400415858 407435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400415904 999819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and while i'm joking, i still think it's probably true.) < 1400416166 854754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the top google hit is this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2099567/Hypochondriacs-dont-live-long-research-suggests-persons-outlook-affects-lifespan.html < 1400416181 889906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sad because it's daily mail) < 1400416312 550412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good because it refers to an actual study. < 1400416436 278581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay 1000 SO rep! < 1400416457 916692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you mean it's not that much) < 1400416810 674370 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like loads compared to me < 1400416815 783343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd consider my health as "poor" too < 1400416831 695786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without reference to how other people's health is < 1400416843 535439 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to other people's health it's probably in the lower normal range :) < 1400416874 669575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your vision has these weird "worm"-like structures in it you'd consider your vision as bad < 1400416888 453515 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you notice that lots of other people have it too < 1400416903 971482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: um well if you have them all the time i guess... < 1400416921 120849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye floaters? < 1400416926 678192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't magially disappear ;) < 1400416935 252174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't? < 1400416940 93745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400416964 793922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess i'm not having them, then. although i've certainly seen occasional things moving in there. < 1400416986 98678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Floaters.png < 1400416993 564243 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like your nose. < 1400416999 566407 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually you stop noticing them < 1400417012 89951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also dependents on background color/light < 1400417017 820963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they will always be there < 1400417036 885357 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly you notice them again < 1400417047 907758 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400417063 745818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess. i've always noticed them better when looking at blue sky. < 1400417107 281743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally one will float into the middle of the eye, but otherwise i don't notice much < 1400417121 937184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of the field of vision < 1400417131 345365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's just one :) < 1400417139 669664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1400417153 475069 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400417166 252557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard counting them though < 1400417166 465757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more than a handful, at any rate. < 1400417224 751962 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400417380 570498 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400417400 475208 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to sort out my diet < 1400417415 52044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by health I meant physical health < 1400417426 536654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You didn't look fat on your talk < 1400417431 179648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, other way < 1400417434 625218 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400417438 816769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an anti-diet < 1400417445 417866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1400417495 38847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, since Friday morning all I've ate was a bowl of soup and a chocolate bar < 1400417511 525290 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not good. < 1400417527 125266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about the same amount I drank since last friday :) < 1400417547 684921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all geeks either too fat or too slim < 1400417570 834348 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of us pay much attention to what we're eating < 1400417572 524803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1400417579 901482 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you classify me as a geek then no < 1400417589 817935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes mroman suspiciously < 1400417601 314238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on Thursday, I had a pub's special burger which is about 8 inches tall < 1400417640 196945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sporty < 1400417648 133990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sips his perfectly healthy orange juice < 1400417773 455108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the rest of my meals were as healthy as breakfast, i'd be all set. < 1400417790 979865 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, easy. Only eat breakfast. < 1400417821 325916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to go rock climbing twice a week < 1400417824 255210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but then i get sugar and caffeine withdrawal D: < 1400417915 852664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(curiously, my caffeine drinks are sugar free. i've just slipped on the actual sweets.) < 1400417926 727118 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400418006 284146 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got to have an early night tomorrow. < 1400418010 698063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a 9:30 exam. < 1400418020 225201 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Tuesday < 1400418074 86692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to sleep early is the most paradoxical thing of things < 1400418080 384004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot do early nights. i just end up not sleeping and lying in bed freezing. < 1400418099 899158 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think the earlier you go to bed the longer you sleep and the longer you sleep the more fit you'll be in the morning < 1400418102 802353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one part of the reason why i have this >24 hour slippage. < 1400418234 406408 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freezing in bed? don't you have, like, bedsheets, covers, linen, woolly stuff to keep you warm? < 1400418295 661095 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, he's in Norway. < 1400418297 317457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: those don't help. in fact i'm likely to spend a while feeling too hot, then suddenly too cold. < 1400418304 860200 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing hels. < 1400418307 16260 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*helps. < 1400418323 511962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my body has strange temperature regulation. < 1400418424 412417 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400418535 175794 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF90136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400418545 109514 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF90136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1400418545 256774 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1400418738 370689 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400418783 123889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1400418784 155373 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 181250Z VRB02KT CAVOK 22/06 Q1014 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 20010KT < 1400418791 923700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WROOM < 1400418820 690059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to change to my summer jacket < 1400418881 207855 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1400418881 606308 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 181300Z 25010KT 30SM FEW035 FEW150 10/02 A3020 RMK CU1AC1 CU TR AC TR SLP226 < 1400418888 704860 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we live in interesting times... < 1400418904 837237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1400418907 308763 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and btw, we want our warm weather back plzkthx < 1400418927 152845 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you darned scheming evil Norwegian! < 1400418940 896952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get some food, shower, do like loads of laundry... < 1400418949 32277 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get my life together, that kind of thing < 1400419037 488308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, spammer, i don't get more likely to open your "AWAITING YOUR QUICK RESPONSE" message if you send it 3 times in succession. < 1400419307 56937 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400419760 266149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, make that 4. < 1400419781 505879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it wasn't actually all caps, it just felt that way. < 1400419859 743767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : <-- pretty quick if you ask me. < 1400419874 335326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i s'pose < 1400419901 632439 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting spam with subjects like "FROM MRS.AWAH SULE" < 1400419924 451652 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "UTD Living โรงแรมอพาร์ทเมน" < 1400420094 247904 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like going outside and maybe getting food or something < 1400420121 843388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: an ancient impulse < 1400420131 296290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring your spear < 1400420143 510200 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a spear, will a pencil do? < 1400420158 531344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's big enough? < 1400420215 235396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp.' < 1400420242 274302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I here a fire alarm comi... there it is < 1400420279 637961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can hear them in advance? fancy. < 1400420377 466814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when dous haskell get implicit maps < 1400420379 136746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1400420401 446749 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-000-105.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1400420403 255555 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400420406 999069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1400420422 655292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt takes an int < 1400420433 401490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if a list is provided, it shall map over the list < 1400420457 557969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the operation is applied to every element of the list automatically < 1400420535 936888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1400420576 657687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION awaits to see whether main = print $ [x | x <- [1..], x == 0] overflows the stack < 1400420667 925314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x | x <- [1..], x == 0] < 1400420671 731443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1400420684 672261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you can define the instances to make it do that. but it would be confusing to newbies. < 1400420704 110495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You mean < 1400420713 26651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Num instance for Num a => [a]? < 1400420747 807890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although for sqrt (which does _not_ take an Int btw) you need Floating or thereabout < 1400420750 786191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1400420757 623268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Floating < 1400420757 806949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Fractional a) => Floating a where < 1400420757 807035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : pi :: a < 1400420757 807072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : exp, log, sqrt, sin, cos, tan :: a -> a < 1400420757 807108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : asin, acos, atan, sinh, cosh, tanh, asinh, acosh, atanh :: a -> a < 1400420757 807143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (**), logBase :: a -> a -> a < 1400420779 288834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no stack overflow yet. < 1400420797 911677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it would have showed up already < 1400420820 770820 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mana vipers and shock serpents? what has DCSS come to?) < 1400420825 719810 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having implicit maps made Burlesque suck a little bit < 1400420836 752650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and having a Pretty type and having no variables < 1400420846 475299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to the conclusions that purely stack based languages suck < 1400420959 430169 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every function that takes two arguments should implicitly map or zip over lists < 1400420977 630234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e [1,2] + 1, 1 + [1,2] and [1,2] + [2,3] < 1400421160 771353 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400421253 516460 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it starts ringing in this part of the building last < 1400421294 723791 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400421371 329956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also went to the little Middle-Eastern/Indian/something supermarket that's like 20 meters down the road and bought something that, accompanied with some bread, would make a nice meal < 1400421391 899092 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400421790 796561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1400421815 298163 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in a bit I'll go down the the co-op and buy some bread < 1400422074 43922 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I tell you that the other day when I was trying to get hang of Rust (again) I managed to write a non-idempotent "isPrime" function < 1400422102 730370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure "idempotent" applies to isPrime functions in any case. < 1400422121 819292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the word I was thinking about < 1400422155 595593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it broke on a second run? < 1400422159 403943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1400422177 305337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's idempotent if you think imperatively. < 1400422181 417041 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did with, say, "15" < 1400422183 733600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*non-idempotent < 1400422242 502704 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it could produce false negatives, though < 1400422263 393567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it used a randomized method i assume < 1400422272 905297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it was just broken < 1400422276 424461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400422292 135243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was using trial division, and caching some of the known primes < 1400422307 795383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :known primes such as 51 < 1400422312 528858 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400422350 646491 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400422352 952098 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had the invariant that the cache would contain the beginning of the list of primes (that held) < 1400422381 968454 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the largest known prime was larger than the square root of the number being checked, it would start after that number < 1400422419 247417 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would go... < 1400422423 656124 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 15 prime? < 1400422446 933917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/larger/smaller/ < 1400422464 874712 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The largest known prime is 2. 2*2 = 4 < 15. < 1400422499 992463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odd one out < 1400422515 306206 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's check 3. 3*3 = 9 < 15. 2 does not divide 3. Therefore 3 is prime. 3 divides 15. 15 is not prime. < 1400422517 561438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 15 prime? < 1400422534 561275 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The largest known prime is 3. 3 * 3 = 9 < 15. < 1400422538 359089 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in base 8. < 1400422571 873974 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's check 4. 4*4 = 16 > 15. No more to check. 15 is prime. < 1400422581 274145 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not right < 1400422588 519459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 3 were the largest prime then 15 would be prime, so 3 is not the largest prime and we learned nothing about 15. < 1400422590 304494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you don't say < 1400422595 249086 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's left < 1400422604 831194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1400422605 809039 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, largest prime I've remembered. < 1400422609 33069 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you should be using RPN < 1400422616 675719 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raspberry Pi Notation? < 1400422631 801863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 divides 15, so why would 15 be prime? < 1400422639 918721 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 isn't prime because it's the difference of two squares. Any number that's the difference of two squares isn't prime. < 1400422660 69537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: 3 = 4-11 < 1400422661 19400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, because it started checking at 4 < 1400422662 346755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: 3 = 4-1 < 1400422662 981806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: shouldn't poles prefer forwards PN, anyway < 1400422672 417341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naaaah < 1400422682 490659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: any odd number is the difference of two squares < 1400422683 683271 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, because my algorithm was horribly flawed < 1400422702 727039 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPN is easier to implement < 1400422730 125890 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Any sufficiently large number that's the difference of two squares isn't prime. < 1400422780 205597 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Any sufficiently large number that's the difference of two non-consecutive squares isn't prime. < 1400422820 673072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey no fair fixing your statement while we're writing up the counterexample < 1400422827 262006 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1400422856 427781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: and now you can drop "sufficiently large" < 1400422883 726772 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Any number that's the difference of two non-consecutive squares isn't prime. < 1400422895 615589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I could now say that 3 = 2^2 - (-1)^2, but that's just a cheap trick.) < 1400422900 811099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf another fire alarm < 1400422903 93559 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is alarming < 1400422916 281570 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Any number that's the difference of two non-consecutive positive squares isn't prime. < 1400423059 71388 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Any number that's the difference of two non-consecutive positive powers isn't prime. < 1400423162 424965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^4 - 4^3 = 17 < 1400423180 892635 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, they're consecutive, and they're different powers < 1400423293 173186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5^3 - 2^4 -- I was really after the different exponents < 1400423294 744118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 109 < 1400423295 485699 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400423430 144120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400423432 509863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :about primes < 1400423440 855865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if p mod n == x < 1400423451 426505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then (p - x) mod n == 0? < 1400423495 765186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematicians define a = b (mod n) if n divides (a-b). < 1400423673 909932 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prime numbers, such as 57 < 1400423693 686538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Grothendieck prime? < 1400423740 804588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't blame him much, except for being divisible by 3 and 19 it really does look like a prime number. < 1400423856 827630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: True for all p , n and x < 1400423869 191209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I know that 3 divides 219, and two divides 220 and 222 < 1400423874 604979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that tell me something about 221? < 1400423890 446831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that 3 also divides 222 probably < 1400423898 238680 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400423899 969874 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells you 3 doesn't divide 221 < 1400423900 515104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 221 is coprime to 6 then < 1400423921 761188 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: exactly < 1400423935 689796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that has further implications < 1400424030 165511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aₕₒₐₓ < 1400424044 572560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unicode supposed to make sense? < 1400424073 482123 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1400424127 866221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 221 has a prime factor that's 2 modulo 3. < 1400424158 343380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how so? < 1400424171 65865 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true for any n = 2 (mod 3) < 1400424190 102143 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because with only factors = 1 (mod 3) you cannot get a product = 2 (mod 3). < 1400424254 590006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400424266 927801 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a*b `mod` n == (a `mod` n) * (b `mod` n)? < 1400424288 984843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1400424294 217952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ((a `mod` n) * (b `mod` n)) `mod` n? < 1400424296 549931 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise < 1400424297 348782 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*2 = 4 != 1 < 1400424312 204608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1400424322 856700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes to the correction? < 1400424325 905228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1400424329 102172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400424329 682963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1400424393 298202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = a' (mod n) and b = b' (mod n) imply a*b = a'*b' (mod n) < 1400424513 375073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :To deal with the `mod` operator mathematically, one can work with the identity (or congruence) a = a `mod` n (mod n) and the fact that a = b (mod n) implues a `mod` n = b `mod` n. < 1400424570 909974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a*b = (a `mod` n) * (b `mod` n) (mod n) and indeed a*b `mod` n = (a `mod` n) * (b `mod` n) `mod` n. < 1400424839 916742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⒪⒣ ⒯⒣⒤⒮ ⒤⒮ ⒫⒠⒭⒡⒠⒞⒯ ⒡⒪⒭ ⒨⒠ (since I like parentheses so much) < 1400424866 976555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode GREEK LETTER CAPITAL THETA < 1400424867 876566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1400424877 185266 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode THETA < 1400424877 977830 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0398 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER THETA \ UTF-8: ce 98 UTF-16BE: 0398 Decimal: Θ \ Θ (θ) \ Lowercase: U+03B8 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+03B8 GREEK SMALL LETTER THETA \ UTF-8: ce b8 UTF-16BE: 03b8 Decimal: θ \ θ (Θ) \ Uppercase: U+0398 \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ < 1400424914 247168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Θ < 1400424918 349506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1400424953 160552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400424972 305686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I know p `mod` n == 1 and p `mod` (x*n) == -1 < 1400425009 906987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then n=1 or n = 2. < 1400425041 867978 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1400425043 531950 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400425047 87373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it? < 1400425065 379108 :nooodl_!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400425073 781884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :p `mod` (x*n) `mod` n = p `mod` n, so 1 = -1 (mod n), n divides 2. < 1400425118 970146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm. I really dislike the infix operator. When is `mod` ever negative?) < 1400425125 477293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 `mod` (-2) < 1400425126 892655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1400425131 628373 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1400425157 374057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so n = 2, and x < 0. < 1400425264 693021 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400425265 668539 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400425281 651231 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not like mathematical modular arithmetic < 1400425308 898393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 `mod` (-3) < 1400425310 493295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2 < 1400425323 753869 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an odd choice of representatives < 1400425394 62564 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I know that q `mod` n == -1 with a given n < 1400425395 115234 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome popup blocker: Blocks the tab I meant to open but lets an ad open in a new tab < 1400425396 884932 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that two's complement is just normal Z/2^wZ with the upper half shifted around < 1400425411 124319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! I know why Haskell does it that way. It's because a `div` b = floor(a / b), and the remainder has to match that definition ((a `div` n) * n + a `mod` n = a). < 1400425412 325748 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now wondering if maybe the link was set to the ad and the page I wanted opened via Javascript < 1400425431 680883 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can create the sequence [-1 `mod` n, -1 `mod n` + n, -1 `mod n` + n + n] and so forth < 1400425448 543443 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rem <$> [1,-1] <*> [2,-2] < 1400425450 68818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,-1,-1] < 1400425470 865266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: of course :) < 1400425489 582729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until I would be > sqrt(q) < 1400425493 435228 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there isn't actually a remainder function specified as 0 <= r < |q| < 1400425520 531112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And `mod` and `rem` are distinct, `rem` is based on a division that rounds towards infinity. < 1400425531 354733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use \x y -> x `mod` abs y < 1400425538 296210 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought rem was underspecified. < 1400425547 589675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1400425547 737377 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For speeeeed < 1400425561 155441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's what I see in practice anyway < 1400425789 190359 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mod is defined in terms of rem < 1400425913 509361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400425920 126240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/HMmnOEc2 < 1400425923 281702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- like that < 1400425935 576779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in that list should be a factor of 589 < 1400425993 713016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 589 `mod` 119 < 1400425995 13220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 113 < 1400425995 160675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 589 `mod` 19 < 1400425996 386411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1400426106 922544 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 589 `mod` 4 < 1400426108 470948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1400426124 961707 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 589 `mod` 14 < 1400426126 274927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1400426243 57993 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only works as it should if there is a q `mod` n == -1 < 1400426243 353152 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400426250 895157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it fails horribly < 1400426293 269825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s p b = maximumBy (comparing snd) $ [(p `mod` n, n)|n <- [2..b]] <-- always picks the last element of the list < 1400426301 506130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what you're doing there. < 1400426405 783733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ideas: cycle [x] == repeat x; zipWith (*) [0..] (repeat x) == map (*x) [0..]; map (+ y) $ map (* x) [0..] == iterate (+ x) y. < 1400426454 277988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: both rem and mod are well defined in haskell, to match with quot and div respectively. < 1400426470 692817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400426471 795432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh < 1400426473 279331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1400426495 150783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but div/mod happen to do what mathematicians prefer, and quot/rem what x86 does. < 1400426498 512714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*happens < 1400426552 96138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why it wasn't working :) < 1400426574 362909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"‘quot‘ is integer division truncated toward zero, while the result of ‘div‘ is truncated toward negative infinity." < 1400426617 670313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wel < 1400426619 965885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hm well < 1400426669 845930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400426699 40432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: btw when you write fst (s p b) and snd (s p b) it is entirely possible that s p b is evaluated twice. < 1400426856 437827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really have to search until you find a q `mod` n = -1 < 1400426918 933273 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400427002 535132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to generalise the trick with the prime factor = 2 (mod 3)? If so, that really only works modulo 3 and modulo 4, because then there are only two coprime residues. < 1400427113 610780 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah. Trying to < 1400427128 404706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1400427145 579805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't :D < 1400427208 224881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other assumption was that < 1400427214 871817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (a*b) `mod` 18 == x < 1400427225 699043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a `mod` 18 == x OR b `mod` 18 == x < 1400427228 407374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't hold < 1400427252 364514 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400427260 664388 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no surprise < 1400427280 321385 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only holds for (a mod n * b mod n) mod n == .... < 1400427283 368084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1400427324 227672 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you know that (a*b) `mod` 18 is 17 < 1400427334 703555 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400427340 78893 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then (a `mod` 18) * (b `mod` 18) must be 17 too < 1400427387 201059 :password2!~password@197.78.176.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400427397 93675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a `mod` 18) * (b `mod` 18) `mod` 18 < 1400427402 162210 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1400427417 366379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 5*7 works < 1400427435 314722 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means possible combinations are 5,7 and 13*11 < 1400427435 659614 :password2!~password@197.78.176.48 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400427479 327895 :password2!~password@197.78.176.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400427490 216258 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a `mod` 18 == 11, b `mod` 18 == 13 < 1400427498 537605 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks something that could be solved by that chinese thing < 1400427526 310996 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400427527 450918 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1400427531 217725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something else < 1400427548 350758 :password2!~password@197.78.176.48 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400427549 421233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's splitting up 18 < 1400427556 604614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2*9 < 1400427570 648094 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(a,b) | a <- [5,11,17], b <- [1,7,13], a*b `mod` 18 == 17] < 1400427572 637304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(a,b) | a <- [5,11,17], b <- [1,7,13], a*b `mod` 18 == 17] < 1400427574 364578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(5,7),(11,13),(17,1)] < 1400427614 432054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 part says that a*b must be odd, which you know how to handle < 1400427635 369634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 9 part says that a*b `mod` 9 == 8 < 1400427640 500945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can solve it modulo 2: 1*1 = 1; modulo 3: 2*1 = 2, use the CRT to combine them into solutions modulo 6, then extend to modulo 18) < 1400427640 811670 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400427665 691940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what's the extend part. < 1400427686 129962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just brute force in my paste for lambdabot < 1400427697 74041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my other idea was to calculate enough module stuff until you have enough information to reasonably brute-force the factors < 1400427701 758422 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*modulo < 1400427728 92578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e by knowing that it's 17 `mod` 18 you can brute-force eather 7,5 or 13,11 < 1400427799 52203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway it's a fairly standard approach for solving (polynomial) equations modulo prime powers p^k: first find solutions modulo p, then take each solution and figure out what its counterparts are modulo p^2, p^3, etc; if you're lucky then there will be only one in each case. < 1400427814 121467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if q = a*b then either a is 7 mod 18 and b is 5 mod 18 or it's 13,11 < 1400427832 665088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I don't know what it's called, "extend" may not be the right term. < 1400427842 719865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably faster than O(sqrt(N)) < 1400427849 682592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't beat the quadratic sieve < 1400427855 364884 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is afaik sqrt . sqrt N < 1400427880 500093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, point here is 17 is invertible (mod 18) so there will be a solution for each value < 18 and relatively prime to it < 1400427935 730574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to calculate division (mod n), you use the extended euclidean algorithm < 1400428048 245350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Why am I still here < 1400428365 307385 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al's latest programming contest has been announced http://azspcs.net/Contest/AlphabetCity < 1400428373 693889 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'll be entering this one... < 1400428382 228961 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400428864 549658 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two algorithms of estimated complexity O(sqrt(sqrt N)) and neither is the quadratic sieve, which is in a different class entirely < 1400429055 706110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. which is the second one, besides Pollard's rho method? < 1400429167 249702 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400429316 884659 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shanks used quadratic forms < 1400429435 69272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1400429438 248270 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400429459 515651 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody knows about it because it is terribly documented and based on class field theory < 1400430643 508535 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400430696 172141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400430739 675367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ais523_, elliott: I'm stepping down as an #esoteric op and have removed myself from the ChanServ flags < 1400430772 603108 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I actually didn't realise you were an op < 1400430777 370734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1400430783 527092 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1400430800 896543 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess kmc's quitting the channel altogether < 1400430824 446900 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400430865 238607 :nooodl_!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1400430967 935305 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keegan has ODed on personal crisis < 1400431021 352521 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39557&oldid=39518 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+399) 10A Turing-complete program in 135 instructions. < 1400431061 458559 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go fetch something to eat. I bet my Canadian 1 cent collection that he'll be back in the next hour. < 1400431067 27879 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1400431084 675830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, good point. < 1400431086 584592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need bread. < 1400431087 612204 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, I quit this channel for ages because it was usually offtopic < 1400431094 105510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION --> co-op < 1400431095 486275 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the offtopicness has got less annoying recently < 1400431098 134163 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chicken crossed the road to get away from boily. < 1400431106 788280 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a co-op is someone who works alongside the ops, I guess? < 1400431117 626168 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's the categorical dual of an op < 1400431126 580554 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A co-op is the person who gets kicked < 1400431968 106214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is worried about cowriters < 1400431993 761074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or coauthors) < 1400432414 605222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400432632 349353 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This also explains why coworkers are usually unproductive. < 1400432935 259164 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400433153 331280 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1400433239 183156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1, 1, 3, 2, 5, 4 < 1400433245 269148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : n - d(n), where d(n) is the number of divisors of n (A000005).[0,0,1,1,3,2,5... < 1400433265 721703 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1400433268 952321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem right. < 1400433301 39073 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400433305 446391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the number of non-divisors of n < 1400433399 814122 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: "n - d(n)" < 1400433424 791616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's supposed to be a subtraction < 1400433437 338635 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes < 1400433445 900607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1400433453 25481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. what else would it be? < 1400433478 600758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(n) of n? < 1400433488 238769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read that as a subtraction < 1400433504 197627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I've ben confused then < 1400433550 694374 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have progressed beyond subtractive thinking < 1400433783 246682 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been stung. By a bee. On the nose ffs. < 1400433929 521947 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to some study I could now look up how much that approx. hurts < 1400433963 653109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it abovu staplering yourself with an office stapler? < 1400433965 383583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*above < 1400433973 512114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the finger tip < 1400434091 618374 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1400434191 38523 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400434587 473899 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's above stapling myself. I was standing perfectly still waiting for it to fly off and it stung me anyway. < 1400435057 84412 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400435312 866106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1400435324 339183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't fly off once the have the intention to possibly kill you < 1400435328 889196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they < 1400437207 613911 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400437392 386759 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400437497 112879 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free gaem http://store.steampowered.com/app/65790/ < 1400437552 463721 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo and its from 2001 so i can probably run it on my laptop < 1400437808 679835 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: how did you detect its freeness? < 1400438090 105861 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maurer: Exactly the same way you did. < 1400438928 528395 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp. I launched minecraft again, after many months clean. < 1400439165 656368 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400439282 178226 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iffasitsybfjafbm JOIN :#esoteric < 1400439663 456590 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-000-105.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400439838 773164 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400439918 436454 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1400439928 440385 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had this for dinner every day... < 1400439987 101394 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ready meal £1.89 a day. Bread £1.19 every two days. If I managed breakfast, too, £1.29 for milk every 2 days, £2 for cereal every 5 < 1400440007 548838 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.89 + (1.19/2) + (1.29/2) + (2/5) < 1400440009 9475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.53 < 1400440017 4248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... really affordable < 1400440086 438520 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can throw in veggies and tofu and yogurt! < 1400440105 491291 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I think adding some form of meat would be a good first priority < 1400440119 424232 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a pet skunk. They eat bees. < 1400440238 156129 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Eat pasta. Pasta is cheap. < 1400440327 712099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But so's this Indian ready-meal < 1400440336 131526 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Co-op half-baked bread < 1400440528 642527 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating the same food /every/ day is probably a bad idea < 1400440618 435785 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, yes, I'm not actually going to do this. < 1400440648 221442 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just it's a lot healthier than what I've been eating recently, ie, next to nothing < 1400440655 829160 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm familiar with that diet < 1400440697 390952 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400440861 644327 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1400441110 253224 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400441174 923954 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eating the same food every day is how you turn into Sgeo. < 1400441197 35874 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C < 1400441218 711033 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, is turning into me the culmination of people's nightmares? < 1400441239 832088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no, I'd just rather stay as me < 1400441257 655156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than my diet and disorganized state, I like being me < 1400441286 762046 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to only eat food I'd gathered / caught < 1400441296 517127 :nooodl_!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400441362 415236 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400441489 408250 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400441494 132607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes. < 1400442576 998734 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400442582 42376 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Flash animations can get Wikipedia articles < 1400442604 953793 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400442728 849436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400442729 524165 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400442782 701126 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400442825 96653 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a Flash animation more notable than an esolang? < 1400442842 32182 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the great esolang purge from Wikipedia < 1400442844 968728 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where most of them were deleted < 1400442852 72967 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I agreed with it, although there were some I argued to keep < 1400442874 671800 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one good be. < 1400442899 626055 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*could < 1400442930 33118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to suggest that I was leaving the channel forever < 1400442934 77089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted a break < 1400442935 869777 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even some regular programming languages have been wiped from Wikipedia. < 1400442946 881203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't be an op anymore, as I am not well enough to perform the duties of the job < 1400442958 978 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An animation can easily be a widely ntoed cultural reference pount. < 1400442994 836608 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one added citations, so the languages were deemed to be non-notable. < 1400442997 59580 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas programming lanugages in general remain a mystery to most people. < 1400443116 448532 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing is that a lot of material on esolangs can be considered original research, whcih isn't allowed on Wikipedia. < 1400443229 873843 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, kmc! < 1400443313 275997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1400443323 34766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only allow research that has been copied? < 1400443426 885686 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah, Wikipedia only allows secondary sources < 1400443446 374343 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they enforced that policy rather than screwing around with notability, then their rules would both be more objective and better, IMO < 1400443451 105244 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... how do they choose which esolangs to mention as examples? < 1400443462 564814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :germane Wikipedia lists Loopy < 1400443467 435836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of Loopy < 1400443477 478659 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there's no "they" about it, anyone can edit an example in < 1400443491 317746 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no real team of people dedicated to taking the dubious examples back out < 1400443523 726121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be a lot of languages by Sean Heber listed < 1400443544 151895 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the page history, see if he put them there < 1400443562 165649 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cow, Taxi, Whirl, 3Code < 1400443565 680504 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They apparently also allow citing primary sources. < 1400443590 502645 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to mostly want to avoid anything being original to Wikipedia. < 1400443610 990254 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense, as Encyclopedias are for compiling information, not creating it. < 1400443684 141151 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research < 1400443691 769953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Interessant an Ook! ist, dass es formal gesehen identisch mit Brainfuck ist." < 1400443697 413406 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find that interesting at all < 1400443711 903299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything Ook! is a different encoding for brainfuck programs < 1400443777 491539 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(German WP says that the interesting part about Ook! is, that it is "formally identical" to brainfuck) < 1400443815 527948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I don't edit WP articles about esolangs because I'm pretty sure I'm biased in some way :D < 1400443818 856504 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose it's true in the sense that every other thing about ook is less interesting < 1400443852 77730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I don't like Ook! bit < 1400443857 797457 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook! is interesting in that it predates the flood of BF derivatives < 1400443864 310051 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it actually invented the class of BF equivalents < 1400443878 506104 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was interesting at the time, even if it's now been shown to belong to a particularly boring class of languages < 1400443893 365806 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see what the fuzz about HQ9+ is < 1400443920 614400 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have a fun name. < 1400443929 975092 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ is a counterexample to a bunch of statements about esolangs < 1400443937 472485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Yeah < 1400443941 948565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda special < 1400443949 593191 :nooodl_!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1400443951 738226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :special, but the language itself is boring < 1400443959 342273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is special, I can admit to that < 1400443966 275383 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what esolangs are for me, the idea < 1400443971 231719 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language serves only as a way to express it < 1400444012 691386 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to value both I guess :) < 1400444124 218139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first I triet to create esolangs that were as odd as I could imagine < 1400444126 616400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tried < 1400444188 9607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I create languages to do homework and some other projects to try to find stuff that could be done better than current languages do < 1400444259 122323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why Burlesque has statistics stuff :D < 1400444301 744403 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should actually make stuff. < 1400444345 172051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually astonished when I look through the language reference to see how many built-ins it actually has < 1400444355 868832 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then how many built-ins I still miss < 1400444365 69610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have a built-in to tell if a list has no duplicates < 1400444448 835606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Brainfuck13 < 1400444452 489323 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same as Brainfuck < 1400444454 11825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ROT13 < 1400444464 358419 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please. < 1400444466 363976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there you have another brainfuck derivative . < 1400444483 90562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1400444489 327389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd be much more interesting < 1400444498 586753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language that works with private public key < 1400444508 887018 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck 86: Like Bainfuck 13, but all the numerals are replaced with 9-n. < 1400444511 628889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the creator of the language can actually write programs < 1400444521 50411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone can interpret them < 1400444584 424936 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a lot of my languages are something I scribbled into my math notebook < 1400444637 575046 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that Spider's Square program i ahve in my userspace doesn't actually do what I wanted. < 1400444663 374585 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there's no upper limit to the number of stands. < 1400444700 905893 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to make a language where the data is just two points on a grid, and you compare thier relative positions or something. < 1400444740 789970 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way any program state can be represented as a fixed number of floating point numbers. < 1400444854 265593 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Formula? < 1400444868 860238 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1400444874 245742 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some uncertainty as to whether that's TC with two variables < 1400444881 392416 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's one point on the grid, plus the origin < 1400444890 122967 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, floating point won't do without infinite precison < 1400444892 453292 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1400444901 428770 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean real numbers, say so < 1400444904 430100 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not relative, then. < 1400444908 856715 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point is limited to a fixed number of significant figures < 1400444916 16171 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by definition < 1400444943 654051 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're to be treated in theory as real, but floats are the reccomended implementation. < 1400444965 550306 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400444975 264109 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because I wanted a model of memory that would handle out-of-memory errors differently. < 1400444998 275247 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of running out of space, it runs out of resolution. < 1400445010 257682 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400445202 939994 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could optionally implement it in some way that offloads memory onto some sort of analog storage. < 1400445321 738186 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl actually has a warning for if you do ++ on a float and it doesn't change value < 1400445496 841010 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1400445554 558228 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to try to make sure there was some upper limit to their values, possibly 1, with it being more about manipulating the trailing digits. < 1400445879 466092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: and you'd e.g. store two reals by using an R^2 <-> R bijection, and so on, to build up data structures? < 1400445901 366818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be cute to see how the choice of bijection interacts with fp inaccuracy < 1400445913 998970 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the language of Tierra count as esoteric? < 1400445944 742102 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any R^2 <-> R bijections that aren't horrendously discontinuous? < 1400446106 863171 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on "horrendously" < 1400446114 327111 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? I wasn't entirely sure how date structures would work. < 1400446115 262553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is horrendouly discontinuous different from discontinuous? < 1400446155 540932 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language was designed for writing self-replicating programs which wouldn't break too badly when subjected to random mutations. Jumps are to a template, not an exact location. < 1400446198 251421 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400446355 108058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400446874 757807 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400447009 326296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so do you actually have any canadian 1 cents < 1400447068 5517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know, not all ops need to be competent at everything. or else i couldn't be one either. < 1400447092 463967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's your choice, anyway. < 1400447572 474520 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders the identity of Ray's mysterious Go teacher. < 1400447591 993691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some google employee. < 1400447621 227226 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently an MIT hacker. < 1400447713 821458 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add the Tierra language to the wiki (at some point). At the moment I'm not even sure it's got a name. < 1400447728 398594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400447744 945359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I would get in the way of other people being competent < 1400447764 762558 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400447764 908929 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400447795 920000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:45:44: are there any R^2 <-> R bijections that aren't horrendously discontinuous? < 1400447821 859781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the point of the hilbert curve, though it's still very discontinuous < 1400447896 935145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can't have a continuous bijection of course because that would make the two spaces homeomorphic) < 1400448122 589178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a bijection though, only an onto map, although it may have bounded number of inverse images? < 1400448325 205424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there are some spaces that have continuous bijections in at least one direction without being homeomorphic. i assume R^2 <-> R are not among them. hm i wonder if you can have bijections both ways (not inverses of each other, of course) < 1400448343 776387 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400448350 898825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :R^2 -> R is impossible due to invariance of domain theorem < 1400448356 162665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an interesting question, yeah < 1400448453 50426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about a way to "approximate" a [0,1] -> {0,1} function (like floats are an approximation of R) < 1400448488 937341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's {0,1}? < 1400448500 387028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :R -> R^2 i am not immediately sure why it is impossible < 1400448501 453477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of 0, and 1, presumably < 1400448959 21502 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm sure a surjection is possible < 1400448968 133518 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.stackexchange.com/a/358061/141424 mhm < 1400449061 555319 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do. < 1400449145 296725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i'm speaking about bijections < 1400449168 42186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you'll be happy no one bet agaist, then. < 1400449242 694228 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm confused < 1400449286 938015 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "a bijection A -> B" the same thing as "a bijection B -> A" when you just consider the inverses < 1400449317 37100 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you're just talking about one-to-one correspondences between these two sets right! < 1400449404 283305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: continuous in one direction only < 1400449412 402282 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1400449688 292975 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. ooooooow. IT BUUUURNS! < 1400449699 149898 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I bit in a particularly powerful hot pepper.) < 1400449803 72620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the revenge of the chickens < 1400450088 958200 :ais523_!93bcc175@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.193.117 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1400451212 379603 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451212 527034 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451212 527102 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451212 674002 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451212 674093 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451213 26416 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451213 174116 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-50-112-124-255.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451213 321367 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net 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*.split < 1400451216 596182 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451217 121179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451217 268402 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451217 268474 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451218 279707 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451219 315529 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451219 462861 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451219 662375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400451236 574531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay a netsplit < 1400451259 579404 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451447 612150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (!x, y) = (undefined, "hm") in y < 1400451449 239828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1400451460 962826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1400451482 986513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ~(!x, y) = (undefined, "hm") in y < 1400451484 910613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1400451535 176196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (~(!x,y), z) = ((undefined, "hm"), "oh") in z < 1400451536 716618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "oh" < 1400451549 170580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1400451556 593703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ((!x,y), z) = ((undefined, "hm"), "oh") in z < 1400451556 810515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451557 316123 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451558 53253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1400451561 335264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400451589 91750 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92200 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92226 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92251 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92275 :17SAAFQ17!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92301 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92359 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92385 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92410 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92435 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92460 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92485 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92510 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92535 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92561 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92585 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-50-112-124-255.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92610 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92635 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92660 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92685 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92734 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92760 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 92785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 239223 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 239284 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451589 239311 :17SAAA20J!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400451612 264419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1400451616 506072 :17SAAA20J!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1400451618 19935 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1400451618 766136 :17SAAFQ17!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1400451684 649660 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iffasitsybfjafbm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400451853 932394 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1400452000 322610 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400452018 607586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1400452055 264757 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1400452055 596077 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 182200Z 25012KT 30SM FEW050 FEW240 16/M01 A3012 RMK SC1CI1 SC TR CI TR SLP202 < 1400452077 495726 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1400452081 823693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy sunday < 1400452137 365740 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. < 1400452146 160500 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :un bon dimanche à toi aussi! < 1400452204 490095 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this rainy cloudy day suddenly cleared up and now it's gorgeous and sunny < 1400452205 807048 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400452299 107422 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL < 1400452299 484109 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 182152Z 00000KT 10SM -RA SCT004 BKN090 BKN130 OVC200 16/14 A3020 RMK AO2 RAE16B38 SLP226 P0001 T01610144 < 1400452317 260436 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is quite more humid than mine. < 1400452370 218296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may be raining still in atlanta < 1400452400 785736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar kgvt < 1400452401 359573 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1400452413 226223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KGVT < 1400452413 807774 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KGVT 182215Z AUTO 16008KT 10SM CLR 26/14 A3003 RMK AO2 < 1400452420 976886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly case-sensitivity < 1400452579 537440 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KVUO < 1400452580 183822 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KVUO 182153Z AUTO 15003KT 10SM -RA BKN075 OVC090 14/10 A2989 RMK AO2 RAE11B40 SLP123 P0001 T01390100 < 1400452670 165721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar lowi < 1400452670 799571 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1400452675 292384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1400452675 841846 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 182220Z AUTO VRB03KT 9999 FEW070 SCT100 13/10 Q1013 < 1400452747 306209 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you're in Greenville now? < 1400452772 674561 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYVR < 1400452773 7266 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 182200Z 24009KT 20SM FEW045 FEW082 SCT230 17/12 A2981 RMK SC1AC1CI2 TCU EMBDD SLP096 DENSITY ALT 300FT < 1400452796 235411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was wtfing at that very fast netjoin < 1400452937 481195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let !(~(!(~(!x)))) = undefined in () < 1400452938 883533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1400452949 711040 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1400452950 280481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ~(!(~(!x))) = undefined in () < 1400452951 651386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1400453089 814477 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400453193 141198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: somewhere between. greenville is slightly closer < 1400453665 315039 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my life turning into a tautology? < 1400453681 510247 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you have turned into Sgeo. < 1400453704 637638 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Your life is your life. I can’t comment more than i can comment. < 1400453711 892847 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! < 1400453740 211941 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What've you all been working on lately? < 1400453773 778147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no" is no tautology. < 1400453803 946764 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: some dentistal prosthesisery. < 1400453824 398787 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, that sounds kind of icky. < 1400453896 83790 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun! it's all digital! it involves black magic with quaternions! < 1400454127 657067 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400454133 387929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can now fit your wisdom teeth into a fourth dimension, avoid removing them < 1400454142 187313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and avoid < 1400454211 160343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the claims this leads to mixing with your grandfather's teeth are entirely unfounded < 1400454277 359185 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to grep the code Tuesday morning for any grandfathery classes. < 1400454281 266201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are you in cahoots with the tooth fairy? < 1400454323 992544 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is santa < 1400454346 306513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm just helping em save on interest by borrowing money across time < 1400454377 613109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, that's ørjan < 1400454380 231829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan < 1400454382 591131 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers. < 1400454456 620692 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what've you and ørjan been up to? < 1400454508 728165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes you think i associate with that goody two-shoes < 1400454531 223638 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad IRC uses ISO 646 FI instead of ISO 646 NO for nicks. < 1400454534 992212 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i meant to say 'oerjan is krampus' my bad < 1400454603 137221 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :|rjan decoded from ISO 646 NO would be ørjan. < 1400454611 492502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that would be bad. < 1400454827 371377 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :verticalbarjan? < 1400454926 926336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1400456276 809159 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Sleeptimes < 1400456368 667718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom asked me what 'je ne sais quois' means. she doesn't realize i've told her. < 1400456407 461768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote my mom asked me what 'je ne sais quois' means. she doesn't realize i've told her. < 1400456409 480748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1195) my mom asked me what 'je ne sais quois' means. she doesn't realize i've told her. < 1400456722 284318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight, everyone. < 1400456786 353722 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb! < 1400456825 316091 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. once a quote has been quoted, is it correct to fix a small French orthography mistake? < 1400456917 489538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, the typos are now written in stone hth < 1400456930 418919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume you mean the quoi*s* < 1400456934 62176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1400456943 250695 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writhes in agony. «AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!» < 1400456955 906254 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(your assumption is right on.) < 1400456982 64740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask quintopia to say it again, correctly. then it's almost not cheating. < 1400457035 350239 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. it's not like I consiously add very bad Chinese to the PDF one time... < 1400457072 260663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have no chinese in the channel to agonize, do we? < 1400457093 896987 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more's the pity < 1400457094 583258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if we did we'd have been hacked out of existence by now) < 1400457142 475111 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone here ought to learn some Chinese language. (I'm making an effort here with some mangled Japanese, but it's not in the same family.) < 1400457178 65254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a norwegian i feel it is increasingly becoming my duty to insult chinese for their sensitivity. is this bad?) < 1400457235 17011 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eh?) < 1400457309 381028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Norway_relations#2010_Nobel_Peace_Prize) < 1400457319 701208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and following sections) < 1400457336 428962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially 2014) < 1400457358 319176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ramen < 1400457358 986325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​拉麵是一種類型的麵條縫製從原始樹木。 < 1400457394 612941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ursala < 1400457395 168892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-, < 1400457415 885722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( would it be mean to say that I don't see much difference between those two quotes? ) < 1400457425 753562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or definitions < 1400457455 464451 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was context. it got mugged in a dark alley. by drunken sailors wielding sharpened bamboo poles. < 1400457465 726615 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chess < 1400457466 356348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess is a complex boardgame, where players exchange unclear royal steaks until they decide which of them has lost. The game is recorded through the Gringmuth Moving Pineapple Notation. < 1400457558 706725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? go < 1400457559 645459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1400457577 301307 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? igo < 1400457577 822461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :igo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1400457651 698140 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fowl < 1400457652 257467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1400457767 645571 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: I wrote “They are a sneaky kind of chicken.” in your section header. < 1400458694 747756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote `quote < 1400458695 253628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :307) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 308) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django < 1400458996 723694 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote laukaa < 1400458997 289512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :819) fungot: what's your view on angels and other otherworldly beings? olsner: well i'm mentioning theoretical image to be dumped in rain forests of laukaa. < 1400459032 699987 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1400459056 192861 :nisstyre!yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1400459297 26859 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400459536 250077 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400459572 453514 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400459625 79344 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400460974 319457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400461010 757583 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400461515 502348 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400462082 378695 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SIDE CHICKEN < 1400462085 909165 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400462878 254772 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400463727 153774 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400464931 489674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400466498 261794 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400466870 820040 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400466945 844257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, blunt, that is not a good way to convince humans not to do something. < 1400467001 589317 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blaze it? < 1400467016 99684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1400467062 130435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO RELATION < 1400467111 675575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is freefall btw) < 1400467627 642369 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400467647 257862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nity < 1400467740 728731 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400468246 249898 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400468613 978427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400469648 418984 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400470617 467913 :john3213!john3213@static-72-66-66-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400470920 293876 :john3213!john3213@static-72-66-66-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1400473127 131971 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400473131 47925 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400474648 848112 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400476049 390804 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400476290 319012 :Guest49187!~textual@cpe-24-24-146-226.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400476345 656396 :Guest49187!~textual@cpe-24-24-146-226.socal.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1400476349 500465 :Guest49187!~textual@cpe-24-24-146-226.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400476355 747793 :Guest49187!~textual@cpe-24-24-146-226.socal.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1400478045 549814 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1400478149 485142 :password2!~password@197.77.41.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400478285 137192 :adu!~ajr@m982336d0.tmodns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400479219 595960 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400480724 392314 :adu!~ajr@m982336d0.tmodns.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1400480885 264934 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400481378 207778 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400481910 275952 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400482168 585222 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1400482326 701777 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-000-105.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1400482613 980525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a fast way to find a,b for u*a + v*b + ab = z? < 1400482663 390488 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :given what? < 1400482684 819663 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a*b? < 1400482712 385976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: given that a != 0 and b != 0 < 1400482721 542205 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, which of u,v,z < 1400482729 758687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :given u,v and z < 1400482752 984906 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is equivalent to `(u+a)*(v+b) = z + u*v`, so it is really a factorization problem? < 1400482764 205558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and u != 0 and v != 0 < 1400482774 453802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and z != 0 for that matter :) < 1400482879 384719 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no way to solve it over the integer < 1400482883 220657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. like diophantines? < 1400482895 677411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a factorization problem then the answer is probably no. < 1400482923 778038 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1400482959 257508 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's diophantine but also linear, so probably not impossible < 1400483013 667643 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, i think so anyway. < 1400483176 340648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you can solve it efficiently you might also be able to solve factorization efficiently ;) < 1400483275 417456 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-000-105.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400483284 284855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it help if a = b? < 1400483303 716325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. u*a + v*a + a^2 = z < 1400483306 787286 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1400483311 692580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a quadratic equation? < 1400483321 275305 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guess it's not linear anyway. < 1400483339 896819 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey! that pretty fucking constrains the solutions < 1400483352 594191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400483515 102946 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much of a constraint < 1400483554 74831 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, indeed; a^2 + (u+v)a - z = 0, so rational root theorem gives that `a` can only be one of +/- 1/z' where z divides z'. < 1400483576 890065 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400483581 124561 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/- z', sorry < 1400483599 888159 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a factorization problem again! < 1400483625 109274 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1400483747 732587 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a easier one than the original < 1400483751 579818 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the point actually < 1400483821 125138 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i suppose square root is easier to compute < 1400483844 695856 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: just out of curiosity, what's the context of that problem? < 1400483847 422355 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400483910 755284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not the square root < 1400483944 646640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: prime factorization < 1400483959 27084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :product of two primes < 1400483968 28523 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semiprime factorization? < 1400484017 345047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist < 1400484018 290360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion < 1400484027 701795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've signed up for deluxe < 1400484089 163573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yep < 1400484197 175664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also works for regular numbers too < 1400484479 442238 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a silly thing though < 1400484507 301143 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closer together factors are the easier it is to factorize the number < 1400484540 271296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much obvious < 1400484739 177602 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I was just looking for some really easy to implement factorization method that is faster than O(sqrt(n)) and doesn't require a table or large amounts of memory < 1400484901 757618 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how large is your input range? < 1400485053 49576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0..2^64 currently < 1400485108 502328 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like, an instruction for your isa < 1400485146 574682 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.56.225.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400485156 690933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isa? < 1400485168 439188 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like http://stackoverflow.com/a/2274520 ? < 1400485171 450793 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction set < 1400485174 310217 :shikhin!~shikhin@120.56.225.195 NICK :Guest8266 < 1400485191 258897 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah :) < 1400485252 386839 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, rho doesn't need a table, it seems < 1400485264 607162 :Guest8266!~shikhin@120.56.225.195 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400485274 434653 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterministic, tho < 1400485282 942352 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400485289 163635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem < 1400485302 194495 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i remember reading about brent's cycle thing before... < 1400485339 283149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/5sFOZjZB <- that's essentially it < 1400485344 535340 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :foofoo < 1400485346 837860 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :u and v are guesses of two factors < 1400485357 816725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e ceil(sqrt(n)) < 1400485359 547929 :foofoo!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhout < 1400485368 835018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depending on how good you guessed the faster it is < 1400485389 213837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does a trial division "on-the-side" < 1400485398 408642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for numbers ilke 11*17*607*353*... < 1400485417 800718 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would take much more time by just adjusting the guess because there's a really small factor in it < 1400485461 690773 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400485602 761389 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like an odd thing to put as an instruction, too. "even polynomial evaluation would make more sense to me" < 1400486546 741053 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400487309 447591 :password2!~password@197.77.41.60 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400487623 414158 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400487869 94209 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning" < 1400487955 537642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Morning". < 1400488014 472183 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400488114 724235 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-98-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400488469 457958 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400488574 349005 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400489106 753450 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400489129 123381 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400489354 722850 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400489355 142547 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400492059 409453 :syndrome!~superior@hosting.rikairchy.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1400492192 656720 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400492200 117643 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, syndrome < 1400492736 122663 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400493073 683104 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400493073 869940 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400493235 783663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Bike like horner? < 1400493235 930687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400495598 474492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400496033 150676 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one possible constraint would be u = v < 1400496039 960623 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to (a + b)*u + a*b = z < 1400496049 829328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably not easier to solve < 1400496397 921977 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400496599 519662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400496930 380056 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should ask int-e to export gcdExtInteger so lambdabot can factor numbers < 1400497109 380954 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :read that as "godExtInteger" and got mildly confused < 1400497156 560010 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot ex integer < 1400497156 763652 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: and, i've learned! i'll just move back here and never speak again in the next story. it's like david, and we never will! what's to be gained the ability to look back and be aghast at all the animals we kill and eat us probably! if not, we can make the cutest cards ever for a series of puns. < 1400497191 750731 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I check what style is fungot currently using? < 1400497191 953838 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: t-rex, i don't know a few dollars! you're on! it only claims that there, chocochops have a different chemical makeup, but taste and never gets old and is everyone's favorite, without a little placard beneath that, " you must punch! i love drinking delicious punch, probably because of how it's so delicious because i like to keep my friends and status in society, i am, a little! < 1400497224 182529 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1400497224 330647 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz* sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1400497229 973169 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400497288 228141 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it weird that a small corpus makes better fungot < 1400497288 375177 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: as a man concerned, t-rex, that going shopping was your default activity? < 1400497318 304385 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1400497318 489525 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1400497431 402885 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot can now select words naturally. < 1400497432 109750 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: hon. john collier, for/ long- styled form,/ tubes were larger in every dimension. " 3? 3. falconer, that/ plants must have been a little timid in publishing their belief on this head: prof. fnord in. < 1400497461 946911 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"plants must have been a little timid in publishing their belief on this head" < 1400497484 716006 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where does the "fnord" come from? < 1400497518 880556 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shy as a violet < 1400497544 136286 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fnord fnord fnord < 1400497544 653636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1183) fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1400497558 929529 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1400497695 599109 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what choice word charlie had that was worthy of fnording out < 1400497884 7536 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400498034 106661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39558&oldid=39557 5* 03Maxdefolsch 5* (+444) 10/* My optimizing interpreter again */ < 1400499391 894633 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400499419 121399 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400499576 458617 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400499784 658897 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400500423 877693 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x|y<-[1..n],y `mod` x == 0]|n<-[1..10]] < 1400500425 333729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘x’ < 1400500425 481034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.x’, defined at L.hs:150:1 < 1400500425 481127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : or ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.x’, < 1400500425 481194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from ‘Debug.SimpleReflect’ at L.hs:110:1-26 < 1400500425 481230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and originally defined in ‘simple-reflect-0.3.2:De... < 1400500434 955561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1400500453 351001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x|y<-[1..n],y `mod` x == 0]|x<-[1..10]] < 1400500454 921509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [*Exception: not an integer: n < 1400500467 344286 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x|y<-[1..x],y `mod` x == 0]|x<-[1..10]] < 1400500468 831646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[2],[3],[4],[5],[6],[7],[8],[9],[10]] < 1400500470 130613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :last try < 1400500483 402843 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1400500489 471833 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[x|y<-[1..x],x `mod` y == 0]|x<-[1..10]] < 1400500491 2006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[2,2],[3,3],[4,4,4],[5,5],[6,6,6,6],[7,7],[8,8,8,8],[9,9,9],[10,10,10,10]] < 1400500500 694534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hide* < 1400500513 928721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [[y|y<-[1..x],x `mod` y == 0]|x<-[1..10]] < 1400500515 365269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[1],[1,2],[1,3],[1,2,4],[1,5],[1,2,3,6],[1,7],[1,2,4,8],[1,3,9],[1,2,5,10]] < 1400500528 441954 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I officially won the record for most errors in a single line of code :D < 1400500742 518661 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's no Zelda fungot. < 1400500743 11975 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream: charles island. but it has not turned out far more crooked and confused than it is, however, were strongly affected;/ first having all/ tentacles but thirty-six inflected; after 6 hrs. surrounding fluid just tinged pink; they were then left in water for 24 hrs. < 1400500794 393276 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1400500812 329567 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not sound like a good time to have tentacles. < 1400500833 606099 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be even worse for boned limbs, though. < 1400501067 162929 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tentacle conjugation is ever so complex. < 1400502040 552722 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400502567 939849 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1400502698 251208 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400502725 988866 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1400502787 200074 :rodgort!~rodgort@192.241.198.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400502997 908354 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400503661 428412 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400504056 104530 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400504141 178515 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400504224 253718 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400504259 55200 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400504314 361697 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400505815 532399 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400505914 718067 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400506016 669254 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400506037 745921 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400506081 761228 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400506228 633260 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400506344 118507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400506488 642254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1400506631 100040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no octopus? < 1400506688 315554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :octopi don't send spam. this is one of the many ways in which they are superior to humans. < 1400506753 467347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is only because they haven't figured out how to use keyboards yet < 1400506775 613626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you wait, one day octopodes will be the most pernicious senders of spam on the planet < 1400506780 455341 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We jsut need to give them some that are water-resistant. < 1400506812 597229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last message before oerjan's "7" was something about tentacle conjugation, whatever that is.) < 1400506814 494199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only are they greedy, they have no compassion < 1400506887 694718 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would probably hlep to let them live longer than three years, since they'll spend a big chunk of that just growing up from tiny hatchlings and, then they need to learn how to read. < 1400506913 451325 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That second comma should be one word to the left. < 1400507027 698569 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only live three years: another one of the many ways in which they are superior to humans < 1400507158 313575 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who know more about C, someone in another channel is asking whether "*(u8_t *)ADDRESS_LITERAL_MACRO[64]" is valid < 1400507696 311360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that sort of depends on what ADDRESS_LITERAL_MACRO expands to, or is. < 1400507799 52914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Guessing from the name, probably not.) < 1400507841 667818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The precedence goes *(u8_t *)(ADDRESS_LITERAL_MACRO[64]) anyway, so if it is something you can stick [64] after, then it's at least syntactically sensible. < 1400507905 360944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine the precedence, too, depends on what it expands to. < 1400507916 939970 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: it is something along the lines of 0x0450 being a hex representation of a memory address on a peice of hardware < 1400508047 451092 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1400508156 744116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it expands to an integer constant, then that's not okay. < 1400508171 131571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I was about to come back to mention what oerjan said.) < 1400508271 819174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps (*(u8_t *)ADDRESS_LITERAL_MACRO)[64] < 1400508280 902975 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1400508290 804708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really make sense either, unless u8_t is a pointer type. < 1400508307 430756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain *(u8_t *)ADDRESS_LITERAL_MACRO would be quite reasonable, and ((u8_t *)ADDRESS_LITERAL_MACRO)[64] wouldn't be too bizarre either, but that's about it. < 1400508347 569527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type of (*(u8_t *)ADDRESS_LITERAL_MACRO) is u8_t (not u8_t *), and it doesn't *sound* like something you can [64], but of course it *could* be. < 1400508367 157905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to run now. -> < 1400508374 730619 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1400508606 937990 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400509136 357899 :hk3380!~test@94.13.246.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400509299 163182 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400509455 546301 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-127.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400510268 475785 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Ajsdf says thanks < 1400510268 624546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400510580 929367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39559&oldid=39558 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+170) 10/* My optimizing interpreter again */ binaries < 1400510735 984172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PHL 1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39560&oldid=39554 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10/* Examples */ links < 1400510788 933873 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PHL 1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39561&oldid=39560 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10/* Computational class */ another link < 1400510974 773301 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400511425 470237 :sign!nyuszika7h@gateway/shell/cadoth.net/x-motcfmzzlssohfpe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400511590 107137 :sign!nyuszika7h@gateway/shell/cadoth.net/x-motcfmzzlssohfpe QUIT :Changing host < 1400511590 293497 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h JOIN :#esoteric < 1400512309 131188 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400512554 495431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400512570 426904 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this isn't just a coincidence < 1400512671 583315 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400512713 585659 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400512747 175519 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400513027 476571 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400513055 148510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, ? < 1400513107 432590 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400513177 871700 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: (q + a)*(r + a) = b < 1400513190 864858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find q and r, so that the above equation holds < 1400513325 33021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"factorization" hth < 1400513412 183768 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-127.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation makes the uncomputability of diophantines make a lot more sense < 1400513453 758606 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-127.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, like horner. i was thinking of the perennial "lol CISC" instruction. http://uranium.vaxpower.org/~isildur/vax/week.html < 1400513611 453374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, So... (q + 1) * (r = 1) = b/a? < 1400513665 240771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you know about all the values? < 1400513797 206828 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all positive integers < 1400513875 358780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails Taneb in algebra < 1400514080 817681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Taneb for responding with insufficient horror -----### < 1400514086 668406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should learn from boily < 1400514136 84694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *not responding with sufficient < 1400514171 278744 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400514258 744110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails himself in grammar < 1400514263 654561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1400514454 122293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think no matter how many A's you give yourself, it won't become a failing grade. < 1400514495 952155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flailing grade < 1400514496 499007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails himself in grading < 1400514497 305313 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aaaaaah what did I do < 1400514501 393274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1400514531 642598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i'm pretty sure (q + 1) * (r = 1) = b/a is not equivalent to (q + a)*(r + a) = b < 1400514557 422790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the = was a type < 1400514559 835584 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typo < 1400514562 400456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be + < 1400514572 776536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god you are right < 1400514575 287537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I < 1400514581 951717 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of monster evidently < 1400514597 633688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for relieving of the need to say so, Taneb < 1400514600 959837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*me < 1400514610 368096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails himself in grammar again < 1400514638 980349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to be out of capital letters < 1400514644 92762 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't relieve yourself on the channel?! < 1400514659 542980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is a horrible language. < 1400514664 948676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: okay < 1400514726 935039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1400515082 89246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, if they're all positive integers, q > 1 < 1400515287 218211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :q and r are both always > 1 < 1400515302 749999 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b too for that matter < 1400515726 724742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400516004 648625 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-127.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400516112 263099 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-77.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400516265 517987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (952) < 1400516267 524066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (952): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1400516296 801455 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :vielen dank, shachaf < 1400516447 188060 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400516673 539969 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400517239 628323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400517249 659968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is odd < 1400517262 701273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IP address of a website I wanted to visit is gone from DNS < 1400517384 797444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google's rubik's cube is made using CSS transforms < 1400517530 247295 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400517586 141302 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprising < 1400517607 265777 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I can't find anything on the internet indicating why the website is not accessible < 1400517624 78496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that it seems that other people are also searching for why it isn't accessible < 1400517645 235218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it was WebGL, but I guess that's still not so widely supported < 1400517829 746064 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find physical rubik's cubes much easier to solve than computerised ones < 1400518085 997898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i rotate the cube? < 1400518149 486341 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you click in the emptiness and drag. < 1400518576 520746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this sounds like a philosophy of life < 1400518798 341294 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to ride a bike through the Lanes of Nothingness, under the Shade of the Void Trees. < 1400518982 960384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39562 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+1261) 10Created page with "'''0(nop^)''' is a stack-based esoteric programming language with numeric function names. == Operators == '''+''', '''-''', '''*''', '''/''', '''%''', '''<''', '''>''', and ..." < 1400519124 118181 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fishy etymology → http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abudefduf < 1400519294 887934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39563&oldid=39562 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+95) 10 < 1400519383 753657 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400519406 675076 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39564&oldid=39563 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-25) 10 < 1400519478 800673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39565&oldid=39564 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-38) 10 < 1400519658 758685 :password2!~password@197.77.41.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400519691 501331 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400520108 419015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39566&oldid=39565 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-31) 10 < 1400520349 774947 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400520383 287015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39567&oldid=39566 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+68) 10 < 1400520531 888513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39568&oldid=39567 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-8) 10 < 1400520567 350656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39569&oldid=39568 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+16) 10 < 1400520598 763386 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400521124 210167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39570&oldid=39569 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+2) 10 < 1400521216 620861 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400521334 255169 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400521430 892428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39571&oldid=39570 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+31) 10 < 1400521799 231206 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the only way to recurse / loop in 0(nop^) via ( ) and ^? < 1400521817 250873 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400521936 433544 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400522142 347762 :Manu!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400522154 204830 :Manu!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1400522166 142285 :Manu!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 NICK :Guest58936 < 1400522175 214094 :Guest58936!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 NICK :Cyragia < 1400522180 862614 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone online ? < 1400522187 536933 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really don't like java but have to write something for jvm, which language would you choose? < 1400522189 278506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39572&oldid=39571 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+250) 10 < 1400522222 350839 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyragia: quite a few of us, yes. first time on #esoteric? < 1400522227 741806 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400522232 520327 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: clojure. < 1400522275 840002 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyragia: what brings you here? which esolangs do you like? are you working on some? do you like your steak rare, medium or well-done? < 1400522303 766331 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was told clojure software takes pretty long to start < 1400522316 981726 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interst. FALSE. yes. well-done. < 1400522324 870919 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interest < 1400522326 759537 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1400522350 693608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39573&oldid=39572 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+21) 10 < 1400522364 136642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39574&oldid=39573 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+1) 10 < 1400522377 429212 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I wouldn't know, but afaik clojure is the most active and interesting non-java jvm language out there. do you have performance needs? < 1400522425 69372 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making my first language/compiler, heavily influenced by FALSE and alike < 1400522425 737625 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyragia: good choice; have your taken a look at betterave? (shameless self-plug). care to give more details? you heretic! < 1400522447 363153 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well, i am targeting android, so... yes < 1400522505 758234 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. eeeeeh... you could go the phonegap way, but last time I checked documentation was scarce and not quite up to date. < 1400522565 498162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39575&oldid=39574 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-36) 10 < 1400522572 971975 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: people recommended libgdx which looks somewhat usable < 1400522591 946654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know about phonegap, but tbh i do hate javascript, too < 1400522594 36021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39576&oldid=39575 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+0) 10 < 1400522699 111961 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: betterave looks, cool. But I'm making something stack-based < 1400522754 330894 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices a trend of stack based langs in recent times < 1400522767 287769 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacks are cool! < 1400522787 577240 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I aslo noticed there are a lot of stack based esolangs, but barely any 'normal' languages < 1400522817 880760 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because they aren't really practical < 1400522823 31757 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is a forth but it is borderline esolang < 1400522824 300464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least purely stack based < 1400522832 155268 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Joe, which look interesting < 1400522837 832465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39577&oldid=39576 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+58) 10 < 1400522901 993940 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to desing something that's as easy as possible to write a compiler for, yet relatively useable and pretty low-level < 1400522918 592722 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in that case stacks just make sense (tm) < 1400522968 622974 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal is to be able to compile every expression on it's own, in one pass preferably < 1400523068 553782 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400523118 333359 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit stuck on how to do variables < 1400523125 821447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack < 1400523154 684594 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean allocate mem on stack, or just push/pop ? < 1400523155 829647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have you lost all your creativity? there have been no new vegetables on the wiki in a long time < 1400523188 211646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyragia: allocate mem on stack < 1400523223 298705 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allocation isn't really the problem, i could just add a data section to my elf file < 1400523262 837134 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm background-cogitating on my next one. I still need a way to make it evil. *pouring rain* *thunder* *lightning* *hth* < 1400523276 465304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what's the problem? < 1400523290 724794 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what non-evilness have you got < 1400523306 753186 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, either i put code and data in a single section and just put the variable wherever it is defined (at compile-time), but that's a bit messy < 1400523318 184582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/mroman_/emulathor/src/fc48fe22fdade5777099eea372e5f06e2b4d2b2b/src/compiler/rlang.y?at=master <- it's crappy code but it's a working one-pass compiler < 1400523320 210100 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400523324 605991 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of forth, I remember reading a long tutorial a while ago. it was a text file à la RFC, and had nice ascii diagrams. but I can't find it :( < 1400523354 476631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest thing to do for a one-pass is to compile everything the same way imo < 1400523364 627773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e use push/pop even if it's not necessary < 1400523368 634587 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor and Retro are pretty much stack based and appear to be popular. < 1400523370 573029 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400523373 465047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you don't need register allocation or anything like that < 1400523379 480297 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: splitting the tokens and merging the parts together in a haphazard way. I want to make the whole thing aperiodic tiling. < 1400523387 37198 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just give some mem region to the programmer and use something like defines to convert names into addresses < 1400523391 984903 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyragia: have you seen Mouse? If you like FALSE, you'll probably like Mouse. < 1400523399 129771 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'll check it out < 1400523435 261463 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400523447 383086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyragia: address resolution is your problem? < 1400523463 385755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: one day you should make a metalanguage called "vegetale". instead of a scoping system, it just has "scoping" where you can define how scoping works. instead of a type system, it just has "typesystem" which lets you define your own type system. best language ever. < 1400523465 579318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you compiling to asm? < 1400523472 284918 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400523474 700201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400523482 64528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the assembler can do the adress resolution :D < 1400523487 498825 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight to an x86 elf file < 1400523491 614417 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400523493 981486 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1400523497 57824 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no assembler :) < 1400523519 971771 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Légume! < 1400523557 979650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39578&oldid=39577 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+8) 10 < 1400523576 799248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nop < 1400523599 488491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyragia: Depending on how high-level your language should be you could just give the programmer some memory that is addressable by index < 1400523604 382652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39579&oldid=39578 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+1) 10 < 1400523611 923155 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guess i'll do that < 1400523614 846925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e pushloc index and poploc index < 1400523627 982678 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just #defines or smth for names < 1400523632 286817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is essentialy mem[index] = pop(); and push(mem[index]); < 1400523643 119108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39580&oldid=39579 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-1) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1400523681 243380 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have : and ; for store and load < 1400523692 647342 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my variable would just be pointers anyway < 1400523720 661183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39581&oldid=39580 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-4) 10/* Hello world! */ < 1400523843 667520 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current writeup of my language: http://pastebin.com/WNjpDgYr < 1400523871 803081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39582&oldid=39581 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+0) 10/* Hello world! */ < 1400523888 50312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39583&oldid=39582 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+6) 10 < 1400524033 528518 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but when i'd just give the programmer a chunk of memory it'd probably be allocated somewhere around here: 0x08048000. so you can't just use 0, 1, 2, ... as addresses < 1400524478 271390 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400524848 866834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1400524862 697430 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to adjust for sizeof of course < 1400524877 200806 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use an offset < 1400524879 596041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem? < 1400524881 815229 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1400524896 186596 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ebx, [mem] < 1400524902 233399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov eax, [ebx+ecx] < 1400524903 76155 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also want it to be able to read any regular memory address < 1400524908 123439 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that I guess < 1400524913 142504 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can do low-level trickery < 1400524920 326813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400524922 891355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ebx, mem actually < 1400524930 232183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what assembler syntax you're used to :D < 1400524960 508829 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: push 0x08048123 (dereference) voila! < 1400525039 954221 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i could add the offset to the define and when you puch a regular address it would behave normally < 1400525075 717819 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best of both worlds :) < 1400525096 833527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you just let the programmer use low-level adresses < 1400525105 359312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e he has to know where his mem stuff is < 1400525117 140971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. no < 1400525124 711997 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the easiest < 1400525129 73093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400525139 999562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you tell him where it is? < 1400525152 292780 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the offset is something like 0x080484218 it get's quite complicated < 1400525156 102462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you could add a command that pushes the offset to the local memory to the stack < 1400525156 669524 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be fixed < 1400525164 98237 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the finns < 1400525169 74346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he can calculate positions of stuff himself < 1400525175 475463 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in finland? < 1400525185 83016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a finn nortti < 1400525188 778262 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400525197 106585 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather resolve it at compile-time < 1400525206 955077 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: what is Topi usually short for < 1400525229 104457 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it is an acronym < 1400525234 771998 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a name < 1400525242 879541 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is a man's name < 1400525248 339133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it short for < 1400525254 735818 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing? < 1400525260 531134 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a full name? < 1400525263 667798 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400525269 683145 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1400525297 463789 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400525370 182269 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400525432 593620 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400525441 139733 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400525694 187135 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'll use the equivalent of: #define varname 0x20 (with the offset added at compile-time) < 1400526194 524882 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1400526812 985046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39584&oldid=39583 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+92) 10 < 1400526932 898274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39585&oldid=39584 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+35) 10 < 1400527084 690191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39586&oldid=39585 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+43) 10 < 1400527156 671962 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39587&oldid=39586 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+5) 10 < 1400527594 750475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400527873 244853 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400527970 501967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39588&oldid=39587 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+4) 10 < 1400528067 960414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39589&oldid=39588 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+3) 10 < 1400528389 567875 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400528559 718758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400528808 335712 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400528924 18561 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few new players have entered the Core War Tournament so if you fancy having a go not everyone you'll be up against will be a pro :-) < 1400529102 496867 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400529195 345084 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400529200 232460 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400529218 223504 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400529218 370927 :Gracenotes_!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400529238 279862 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400529263 869364 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400529270 467905 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400529278 798469 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400529295 476923 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400529336 363805 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400529355 158744 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400529508 850410 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400530294 755238 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400530337 232620 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400530476 151268 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1400530495 702481 :password2!~password@197.77.41.60 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400530630 82142 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400530906 408398 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400530910 430445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39590&oldid=39589 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+59) 10 < 1400530921 979948 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that edit spam < 1400531041 504216 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400531087 19118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39591&oldid=39590 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+1) 10 < 1400531616 175251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what tournament? < 1400531649 485506 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an eso hill? < 1400531840 452613 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Core War. You can enter by email. Tournament takes place at the computer museum in Cambridge, U.K. http://corewar.co.uk/spring2014.htm < 1400531868 792115 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/05/19/data-pirates-caribbean-nsa-recording-every-cell-phone-call-bahamas/ < 1400532045 478319 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: INCOMING CHICKEN < 1400532134 94243 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: eso hill would be http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1400532142 636645 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust shortsword (>++>--)*2(>)*6([-[+]]>)*20 < 1400532191 327603 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No egobot? < 1400532304 184191 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400532332 933136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Entries can be up to 25 instructions" < 1400532336 910472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. ok.... < 1400532403 882820 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Completely changing the program's behaviour or swapping / adding extra components for each core size is not allowed." < 1400532407 376980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1400532410 405731 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39592&oldid=39591 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+26) 10 < 1400532411 348639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone can do that in just 25 instructions < 1400532422 752336 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400532432 279778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39593&oldid=39592 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+0) 10 < 1400532443 750322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1400532454 440705 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't switch to a different algo if CORESIZE > 800? < 1400532466 59767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like an odd restriction < 1400532476 895686 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok < 1400532480 883771 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll submit an imp then :D < 1400532493 571096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody should at least submit an imp < 1400532504 433675 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the same program has to do well in each coresize. Otherwise it might as well be a tournament with three rounds! < 1400532521 568008 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "the same program" < 1400532533 941011 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why forbid if(coresize > 800) jump foo kinda stuff? < 1400532559 439931 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's forbidden because you could just enter three completely different programs: < 1400532564 41848 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for CORESIZE == 800 < 1400532567 549036 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :program1 < 1400532570 944229 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rof < 1400532576 883754 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for CORESIZE==8000 < 1400532579 114604 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :program2 < 1400532580 398982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yeah < 1400532582 644325 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1400532587 234570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're still limited to 25 instructions *TOTAL* < 1400532599 765461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that only leaves 25/4 instructions per "sub"-program < 1400532607 193119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm 25/3 actually < 1400532620 465996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus the overhead for the switch < 1400532696 372452 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two programs on the most active hill which are only 9 instructions. :-) http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/current.pl?hill94nop < 1400532794 190583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1400532797 482996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're "inversed"? < 1400532808 23436 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, John M. < 1400532821 903024 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400532870 572779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1400532882 304970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should at least submit some two stage bomber < 1400532901 293999 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vampire.red is much longer than 25 instructions and I know it sucks < 1400532915 497964 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oneshots are easy to program. Just a scan loop (e.g. scan add #step, pointer / jmz.f scan, @pointer) followed by a clear (sequential wipe of memory starting whatever the scan found) < 1400532925 3421 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You wrote a vampire? < 1400532938 31116 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: years ago, yes < 1400532951 231160 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it published? < 1400533052 32067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i submitted it to some koth.org hill < 1400533058 790185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it performed badly < 1400533069 580627 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1400533078 382171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly probably because it was too long and too slow for a vampire < 1400533085 592984 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampires have had trouble getting on the hills for years. < 1400533124 828388 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laid carpets of jmps into a SPL0 loop < 1400533137 218890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPL0 + mem clear < 1400533150 154958 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, a few new tricks have got the back on the hill again over the last few months. < 1400533154 787933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea was to trick opponents to jump into my mem clear loop plus slowing them with the spl 0 < 1400533222 344099 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you have a DAT wipe after you've finished bombing? < 1400533244 80623 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400533261 31056 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't know about fancy ><{} prefixes at that time < 1400533279 41654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could copy stuff around and also increment stuff in a single instruction < 1400533324 414009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my replicator wasn't much successful too :( < 1400533330 580120 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes a big difference to the score. < 1400533390 833763 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :24th is pretty soon though < 1400533399 790974 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400533419 507152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shouldn't take more than an hour to write a bomber :D < 1400533442 921183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just add an imp as a backup strategy < 1400533449 354541 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :after bombing transform to imp :) < 1400533489 702890 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern replicators normally run several parallel processes in code similar to paper spl somewhere, 0 / mov >paper, }paper ; all processes run the spl to split to the new copy. Then the run the mov to make the new copy. < 1400533492 497626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you usually do after bombing? < 1400533494 728829 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bombing again? < 1400533502 699052 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a different offset probably < 1400533521 824287 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just planning to throw spl 0 bombs with a bug offset < 1400533534 730691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then make another bomb run with a slightly smaller offset < 1400533541 182110 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make a full mem clear < 1400533542 333035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then imp < 1400533543 88133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400533547 920548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*big offset < 1400533566 159164 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After bombing (or scanning), clear memory. < 1400533575 108990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :spl 0 with big offset should catch replicators pretty well I think < 1400533588 76516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how big they are and how fast they reproduce < 1400533681 435920 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good 4 instruction clear is d-clear, SPL #0 / CLEAR MOV BMB, >POINTER / DJN.F CLEAR, >POINTER / BMB DAT 3-POINTER (where pointer is a few instructions before the clear) < 1400534634 796575 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400535341 128244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400535535 235053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1400535564 91190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure i like this apparent exponential spam growth < 1400535685 691587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fg < 1400535688 367773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1400535742 68689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :improve your life: HISTIGNORE='fg*' < 1400535767 30695 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400535812 649316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've used fg much... < 1400535840 799221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess i'd more likely have used %, the times i needed to < 1400535861 128015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1400535986 678923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah they're simply synonyms < 1400536049 606606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, the fg in fg %... is optional < 1400536059 957027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that rustc's parser is about 5,000 lines of hand-written Rust code? < 1400536066 377920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no grammar or anything < 1400536098 521356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400536108 564629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that explains why they're not keeping the grammar in the manual up to date < 1400536124 284936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds a little brittle. isn't rust powerful enough you could make parser combinators? < 1400536184 748279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think there is a plan to fix this < 1400536438 123131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `olist (952) <-- how did that sneak in just after i checked myself... < 1400536477 273465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it just me or are olist updates p. far apart these days < 1400536483 175040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indeed < 1400536577 725090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you click in the emptiness and drag. <-- ooh < 1400536664 611375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you don't have to drag, you can just click < 1400536924 924044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : then Joe, which look interesting <-- itym Joy < 1400537185 156720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily: have you lost all your creativity? there have been no new vegetables on the wiki in a long time <-- wait betterave is a french vegetable? < 1400537695 483969 :nooodl_!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400537894 749236 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400538179 499651 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400538187 290697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400539714 509554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone ought to perhaps tell john misciagno about the preview button. < 1400540511 461930 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400540611 439690 :nooodl_!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400541356 374190 :hk3380!~test@176.25.120.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400541431 57238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39594&oldid=39593 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+5) 10 < 1400542034 707203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39595&oldid=39552 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+14) 10 < 1400542252 458905 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400542365 991310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39596&oldid=39594 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-15) 10 < 1400542393 370797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the google rubiks cube kind of runs like shit in firefox < 1400542603 312429 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400542778 253974 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400542950 99425 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400543082 724339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the controls are fantastically awkward even if it works properly, just save yourself the pain < 1400543107 527376 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400543344 54287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1400543560 123480 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400543613 288590 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400543796 459360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39597&oldid=39596 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+15) 10 < 1400544436 43753 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400544468 812993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did my first substantial hacking on rustc today < 1400544491 474166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :implemented support for macros that expand to patterns < 1400544610 552381 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1400544634 162854 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400545202 616689 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're missing out on the cube exploding and... http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/rubik.png (german version) ... so not much really < 1400545225 452745 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(solving the real thing is so much faster!) < 1400545261 124128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers :< < 1400545294 719221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400545296 851930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there is a webgl version out there that works more smoothly, but doesn't have a timer or move counter. < 1400545319 523698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I meant well, I was trying to save you some pain. < 1400545407 896331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I meant well" is not a very good tombstone line < 1400545445 133171 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even the webgl version is awful ... I found that I have trouble reproducing some of the macros that I use on the actual cube because they are almost fully automatic by now) < 1400545511 608015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It'd be "(s)he meant well", hth. < 1400545557 452255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work for the "I told you so" of hypochondriac fame < 1400545576 558051 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We told him(her) so" ... ow. < 1400545602 38118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCORRECT < 1400545609 519591 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm in a strange mood. < 1400545617 725968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't take me seriously. < 1400545624 424215 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400545661 362015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ay < 1400545968 440493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TOGA computer14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39598&oldid=36621 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+0) 10 < 1400546335 704500 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07A:;14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39599&oldid=39034 5* 03Malltog 5* (+4) 10Edited cat program to make it loop < 1400546428 299726 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400546628 519315 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400547164 831759 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400547223 793357 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400548080 448717 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Google cube is wrong, I think. < 1400548084 330804 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400548085 441080 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400548087 606292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't rotate the inner thingies < 1400548102 843025 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which afaict means if you're counting moves you may count wrong < 1400548103 981212 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400548168 495298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id id 8 < 1400548172 950318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1400548181 319749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1400548211 482335 :hk3380!~test@176.25.120.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400548247 467286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um if we mean the middle thirds i rotated those just fine... < 1400548267 741527 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant you're not supposed to be able to on a real cube < 1400548280 185711 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think?) < 1400548286 512354 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can. < 1400548301 517969 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400548301 750832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can. it's just a little physically awkward to keep both outer parts still. < 1400548321 757468 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400548514 662832 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400548729 52936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it because you can rotate the two non-middle thirds in the opposite direction. < 1400548745 200889 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Quit: realzies < 1400548745 347969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I guess it's relevant for move-counting. < 1400549017 531693 :77CAAKECD!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400549018 139781 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1400549310 291685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no fair building exponentially large types < 1400549355 749931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i just wanted to give you a little stress testing hth < 1400549392 512692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the article being on top of /r/haskell you'd better be prepared. < 1400549399 527729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it caused me little stress. so it must have worked. < 1400549409 492874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1400549420 687930 :77CAAKECD!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1400549454 546963 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1400549517 306815 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Quit: realzies < 1400549549 882455 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1400549615 352861 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Client Quit < 1400549702 498604 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bukkake14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39600 5* 0399.16.65.43 5* (+959) 10Created page barebone < 1400549711 504146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1400550104 893455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my delete finger is itching. < 1400550150 234833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it appears to be an actual language < 1400550182 176247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bukkake14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39601&oldid=39600 5* 0399.16.65.43 5* (+639) 10Added examples < 1400550211 548878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord "8(x" < 1400550212 960563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [56,40,120] < 1400550214 701654 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that it's actually a worse name than "brainfuck", except that I've have gotten used to the latter. < 1400550281 142789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this will sound great outside of an esolang context) < 1400550299 157798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it isn't. < 1400550316 445451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a threshold for which I'd delete an esolang for its name, but this is far below it. < 1400550320 453978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39602&oldid=39595 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ order (I _think_ I decided this section was ordered by ASCII ignoring case, but I'm not entirely sure. < 1400550383 432620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why is ~ not before its coprefixes < 1400550395 315399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coprefix is a good word < 1400550443 588602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord "-E" < 1400550444 920425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Types.Char’ < 1400550445 67745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’ < 1400550449 151569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord "-E" < 1400550450 449329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [45,69] < 1400550466 986446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39603&oldid=39602 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ I think I've misplaced this somehow < 1400550490 635262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, don't tempt me to name languages silly unicode edge-cases just to mess up your ASCII ordering. < 1400550539 647643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good, i won't. < 1400550571 591891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you may already have. < 1400550592 873971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems my ridiculously complicated vim :sort command to order that section was broken :( < 1400550693 756716 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be addicted to Sex Yeah < 1400550702 219716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was :.,$sort i /[[][[][:]\?\([^|]*[|]\)\?[ ]\?\([^>]*>\)\?/ < 1400550703 919084 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the song) < 1400550704 240631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1400550718 987833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* i bracketed Sgeo < 1400550780 947551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : coprefix is a good word <-- why do you think i invented it hth < 1400550805 971202 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10/#Canonical_Equivalence_Table man this owns < 1400550864 141906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horny letters < 1400550956 825241 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400551127 877040 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I once asked if I should watch an LP of Planescape: Eternal Torment, and people said yes. So, should it be a blind LP? < 1400551179 300217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much torment do you want when watching twh < 1400551202 613054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused by the "Eternal" < 1400551240 613108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means never-ending hth < 1400551244 557311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what, would you prefer ternal torment < 1400551269 659396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but it's not part of the game's name < 1400551290 467818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1400551295 229817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all I know, which is very little of course. < 1400551532 432585 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400551576 120492 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-46-77.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400551711 243828 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-51.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400551751 665927 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-51.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1400551765 128477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-51.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400552443 89807 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-84-51.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400552567 256155 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400553288 537403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1400554025 108423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the most prominent label language on this bag of jasmine rice is Hmong < 1400554124 240199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a hmongous language < 1400554302 545586 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org/wiki/Hmong < 1400554594 900180 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what hmong looks like >_< < 1400554652 132830 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a bit like Hmu. < 1400554663 901527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hmore so < 1400554679 488945 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hmy < 1400554748 270437 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's some language family i've never heard oft < 1400554923 427932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmongcoin < 1400554962 95013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Early linguistic classifications placed the Hmong–Mien languages in the Sino-Tibetan family, where they remain in many Chinese classifications, but the current consensus among Western linguists is that they constitute a family of their own." < 1400554983 104965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/612530753/gitchain < 1400554988 324552 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah, and Wu and Scots aren't languages < 1400555000 740943 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way OpenWorm totally got funded < 1400555008 351346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get ready for nematodes all over your computers nerds < 1400555147 734180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They are some of the most highly tonal languages in the world: Longmo and Zongdi Hmong have as many as twelve distinct tones." < 1400555187 653206 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zongdi Hmong is a hella rad name < 1400555320 919807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Neighbouring languages across these families, though presumed unrelated, often have similar features, which are believed to have spread by diffusion. A well-known example is the similar tone systems in Sinitic languages (Sino-Tibetan), Hmong–Mien, Tai languages (Kadai) and Vietnamese (Mon–Khmer)." < 1400555350 335516 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know vietnamese and cambodian were related. < 1400555391 386266 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're both austroasiatic. < 1400555407 269089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39604&oldid=39603 5* 03Icepy 5* (+12) 10 < 1400555407 417361 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that whole area has some hella geography. < 1400555494 916864 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400555711 331360 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400556110 992620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400556611 210654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm disappointed that Bukkake is another boring brainfuck derivative < 1400557298 401485 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-92-219.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400557394 770084 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From context of a comic strip I can't link, I assume a "reduction from bin packing to linear programming" would be very interesting? < 1400557400 484740 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-237.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400557600 701501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let 42=23 < 1400557603 228728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1400557709 52193 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 42 < 1400557710 396781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1400557715 138389 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is some basic bullshit. < 1400557739 179395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1400557794 338475 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonobo Conspiracy #421 < 1400558221 711426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :available as a convenient 15 MB .zip file < 1400558299 722363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really link to the individual comics... < 1400558403 536212 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, when it used to be more of a webcomic, they had annotations. They don't anymore < 1400558404 690669 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)( < 1400558406 312410 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1400558462 664615 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:) < 1400558720 603183 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400558935 435803 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400559215 955376 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :))))))))) < 1400559223 663096 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400559477 825671 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ unlines $ replicate 3 $ replicate 72 '(' < 1400559479 328917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( < 1400559479 476411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( < 1400559479 476566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( < 1400559799 776950 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is that thing I mentioned a thing that would be an interesting result? < 1400559864 30532 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the webcomic? < 1400560041 342395 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-102-244.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400560120 622967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, it would imply bin packing is in P. which may be known. i don't know. < 1400560136 460167 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-168-237.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400560143 95827 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-102-244.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1400560148 509143 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400560153 588294 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin packing is NP hard < 1400560163 58435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a reduction to linear programming would imply P=NP < 1400560167 342418 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400560198 972205 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-244.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that's a pretty good result!! < 1400560226 655475 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/iq4QXSY.png < 1400560285 401128 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400560396 34372 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-244.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a bad comic < 1400560405 896837 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400561056 309283 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400561169 996584 :password2!~password@197.78.136.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400561350 719321 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400561448 308886 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400561501 115338 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400561783 363665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400562896 932905 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine that as your next referee < 1400563480 745599 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400563560 409789 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400563661 749107 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400564655 970740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have play Dungeons&Dragons game today < 1400564707 111539 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400566259 67659 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGH < 1400566267 55106 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Chrome extension seems to have been spying on me < 1400566353 654464 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This extension adds the following ads. If you do not with to support us, you are welcome to disable ads by clicking the checkbox below" < 1400566357 540213 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1400566447 15257 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change HTTP Request Header < 1400566761 485992 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400566807 863323 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloud Party is dead < 1400567988 192805 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400568627 387878 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400568986 521590 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400570981 432410 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-102-244.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400571148 866793 :diginet!~diginet@li427-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400571167 442886 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400571227 113306 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400571309 657211 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400571409 407516 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400571462 937410 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400571463 456529 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400571542 755574 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400571784 324492 :77CAAKHVT!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400571799 216239 :77CAAKHVT!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400571824 530342 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1400571886 674226 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400572080 416965 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400572722 664744 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400572765 674893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Forobj14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39605&oldid=39543 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+273) 10/* Examples */ < 1400572843 975624 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400572896 468235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39606&oldid=38583 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+36) 10/* Forobj */ < 1400572961 482895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39607&oldid=39606 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+56) 10/* PHL 1.0 */ < 1400574037 20510 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400574521 447146 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400574894 732996 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400574894 959649 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400576881 375460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any type systems based on epistemic logic? < 1400578984 116045 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400579212 711249 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400580874 758138 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400583149 433348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400583816 119416 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1400584263 607451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: my SLT isn't working :( < 1400584303 746393 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1400584333 133225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdacat: @let newtype Codensity f x = Codensity (forall r. (x -> f r) -> f r) < 1400584334 289627 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:142:1: < 1400584334 518009 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multiple declarations of ‘Codensity’ < 1400584334 728208 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric : Declared at: .L.hs:140:1 < 1400584334 728276 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:142:1 < 1400584334 728313 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1400584346 715490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdacat: @undef < 1400584347 279045 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1400584348 578682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdacat: @let newtype Codensity f x = Codensity (forall r. (x -> f r) -> f r) < 1400584349 802270 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1400584359 358786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdacat: @leave < 1400584361 847841 :lambdacat!~lambdacat@213162068171.public.t-mobile.at QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400584774 752529 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400584849 620748 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. there we go < 1400585077 85126 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400585845 188644 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400585862 923490 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400586029 407744 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400586172 857224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1990, a disgruntled employee at the Point Lepreau Nuclear Generating Station in Canada obtained a sample (estimated as about a "half cup") of heavy water from the primary heat transport loop of the nuclear reactor, and loaded it into a cafeteria drink dispenser." < 1400586176 870362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Office pranks seem slightly different at nuclear power plants. < 1400586239 651268 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400586355 91275 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the dudes were like < 1400586361 254092 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Man this water is heavy today" < 1400586366 851119 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can hardly lift my cup" < 1400586495 160972 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, heavy water is only ~10% heavier < 1400586508 409586 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1400586519 832306 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oxygen makes up most of the mass of water < 1400586523 804568 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not too surprising < 1400586607 956594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd be all "I froze my drink and put it in the bath tub and it sank instead of floating!", because that's what people do, right? < 1400586636 280862 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer warm baths < 1400586658 428711 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst thing is < 1400586673 265862 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heavy water is toxic on top of being radioactive < 1400586682 829779 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has different chemical properties from water < 1400586747 784385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now, it isn't necessarily radioactive. (Of course if you take it from a nuclear reactor...) < 1400586769 612225 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heavy water is always radioactive! < 1400586781 818281 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't deuterium stable? < 1400586789 220700 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1400586793 299704 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's no tritium, but < 1400586795 498329 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-110.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1400586795 855761 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's check < 1400586827 362198 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-110.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1400586827 509462 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400586828 561224 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1400586831 750582 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stable < 1400586838 413616 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind then < 1400586843 978483 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the tritium you gotta watch out for < 1400586896 173514 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of < 1400586903 492961 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should work on my Quantum Computer Language < 1400586916 950569 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that one day < 1400586921 251813 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may do a quantum brainfuck < 1400586950 745335 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, can you make a TC quantum computer in 1D < 1400586956 742335 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I have to go 2D at least < 1400586974 339183 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1D sure would help < 1400587025 34355 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :People worry about the radioactivity of depleted uranium, too < 1400587044 660261 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bomb loop is toooooo slow < 1400587053 606179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400587355 908664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you throw bombs too close to your own position the scanners are gonna find you pretty fast :( < 1400587401 722602 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: implementing something resembling brainfuck with quantum gates? < 1400587447 668020 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, yes < 1400587454 555456 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not quite sure if it's doable in 1D < 1400587463 864681 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if it will have to be quantum befunge stuff < 1400587541 35292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't call it "Quantum brainfuck", because there is one already. < 1400587541 516937 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the difficulty with a 1D (array of qubits, I assume) < 1400587561 653196 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I want to simulate a physical machine < 1400587567 633371 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have particles zooming around < 1400587576 764883 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just make the wiki give you one of the articles at random < 1400587579 895650 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until they encounter a measuring device that collapses the quantum state < 1400587919 460396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400588206 598938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1400588218 379603 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400588481 908481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck to I compare something indirectly in Redcode? < 1400588486 132074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1400588558 170163 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNE #0, @SPTR isn't working < 1400588564 137906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to compare with the B-field of SPTR < 1400588576 217511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want it to interpret the B-field of SPTR as an address < 1400588587 963553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check if the B-field of the cell at that address is 0 < 1400588950 325081 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also shouldnt ADD.B #12, SPTR add 12 to SPTR? < 1400588964 72011 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how this shit works :( < 1400589020 396661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ADD.AB #12, SPTR should do that, but I haven't done any of that stuff in ages. < 1400589183 178047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By my logic, ADD.B #12, SPTR would add whatever the relative address of SPTR is, to the B field of SPTR, since the source instruction is the current instruction, and .B means B-to-B.) < 1400589201 557234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's ADD.AB indeed < 1400589210 997819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the SNE #0, @SPTR is still not doing what I want it to do < 1400589235 119285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400589235 959208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up with that, since it sounded like it should do what you wanted. < 1400589349 461300 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1400589360 36979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNE #0, @SPTR always doesn't skip < 1400589368 282949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go being negative again < 1400589378 12586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNE.B #0, @SPTR always skips < 1400589389 901945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter if SPTR would point to a non-zero thingy < 1400589467 312554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1400589477 921393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should compare the A value with the B value < 1400589489 540333 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas A is immediate zero and B is indirect to the b-field of SPTR < 1400589500 41838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's at least my understanding of what It *should* do < 1400589892 901469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really stressing me out :( < 1400590062 545734 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400590088 9810 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400590224 327177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proceeds with the A-value set to the B-number of the A-instruction" < 1400590260 696731 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hopefully is zero for #0 < 1400590348 239288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and the B-value set to the B-number of the B-instruction" < 1400590375 305275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have XXX #0, YYY, then the B-number of the A-instruction is probably YYY. < 1400590451 145754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's just for XXX FOO, AAA; FOO DAT ZZZZ, YYYY; < 1400590463 257600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e it reads YYYY from FOO < 1400590468 513757 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but #0 is an immediate value < 1400590477 619681 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a pointer to an instruction < 1400590570 350767 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400590577 846393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I mixed up SNE with SEQ? < 1400590610 909151 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1400590631 803764 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEQ.B @SPTR, #0 < 1400590649 236055 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400590656 60016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a freaking moron < 1400590752 799242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0 is just "this field is zero, and the addressing mode is immediate", AFAIK. < 1400590771 92661 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-094-221-214-008.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400590775 874586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "addressing mode is immediate" means the source/destination instruction is the current instruction. < 1400590839 157774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you write something like MOV.BA #1234, FOO the value 1234 does not have much significance, except just being in that field. It'll still move the value (FOO) from the B-field of that instruction to the B-field of FOO. < 1400590871 939270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean, to the A-field of FOO. < 1400590935 561249 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-000-105.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400590951 448591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ADD.AB overwrites both fields < 1400590955 629520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just the B-field < 1400590961 454678 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-000-105.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400590989 88136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was ADD.F. < 1400591005 175399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or MOV.F.) < 1400591037 406154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400591041 886673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :.AB "write to B-fields" < 1400591048 196721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what messes up my A fields :( < 1400591058 399517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.koth.org/info/icws94.html ".AB Instructions use the A-numbers of the A-instructions and the B-numbers of the B-instructions and write B-numbers." < 1400591186 971525 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1400591244 960643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1400591252 748429 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a trick for bounds checking I guess? < 1400591261 666576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm. < 1400591268 160176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The address 0 is the start of my program? < 1400591277 961580 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-094-221-214-008.pools.arcor-ip.net NICK :Melvar < 1400591280 915824 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so If I know my program is 15 instructions long < 1400591289 157717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd bomb myself if the pointer is smaller 15 < 1400591305 94440 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-214-008.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400591323 250815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is -1 smaller than 0? < 1400591344 108340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All addresses are relative, so 0 is only the start of your program when it's in the first instruction of your program. < 1400591585 237655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400591766 286158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I recall correctly, even in something like MOV #0, @1; DAT #0, #-1 the number 1 is first relative to that MOV instruction (so points to the DAT), and the -1 is relative to *that* instruction, and so points back to the MOV. < 1400592035 407647 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1400592037 809000 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am getting < 1400592041 118905 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHOST FILES < 1400592046 935129 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Files that I deleted < 1400592053 554881 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1400592056 586315 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entire folder deleted < 1400592062 372998 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I recreate the folder < 1400592064 607990 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just by name < 1400592068 324672 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY COME BACK D: < 1400592074 969094 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is annoing < 1400592177 897907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400592231 249721 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400592231 397153 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400592514 808236 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400592994 86536 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-214-008.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400593033 77103 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-214-008.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400593078 248703 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400593466 366158 :nooodl_!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400593655 954049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t msum < 1400593656 721389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadPlus m => [m a] -> m a < 1400593893 923632 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400593900 985953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mzero < 1400593901 882318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadPlus m => m a < 1400594348 489724 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400594601 739923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://codepad.org/ZS7TGOPC <- that's probably the best I can come up with < 1400594605 366261 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sucks like hell :) < 1400594619 442284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too slow obviously < 1400596106 398374 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400596256 42570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39608&oldid=39604 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ as I just said... < 1400596904 333096 :password2!~password@197.78.136.81 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400597311 754114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sandbender 5* 10New user account < 1400597395 400464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1400597542 572248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400597635 3126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39609&oldid=39337 5* 03Sandbender 5* (+178) 10Added link for BFCPU < 1400597874 38322 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400597881 340479 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400598156 457000 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400598290 398962 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400598341 491579 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400598667 262150 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400598932 976808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :getAllElementsOccuringExactlyNTimes < 1400599316 946651 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-espqnzxnkbldgsvv JOIN :#esoteric < 1400600299 749958 :password2!~password@197.78.130.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400600350 538500 :password2!~password@197.78.130.2 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400600399 491837 :password2!~password@197.78.130.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400600432 558820 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400600540 23711 :password2!~password@197.78.130.2 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400600666 121257 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400600667 389504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400600752 626621 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1400600932 974893 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly I should make the worst possible combination of shoices for that survey. < 1400601065 800419 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially ones that cannot be fitted toget, for example left-infinte tape and going right wrapping to leftmost cell < 1400601073 215370 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*together < 1400601098 186487 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't, you say? how uncreative < 1400601116 77607 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be even better than left-infinite but crahsing when too far to the right. < 1400601206 834195 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, is there some mathematics that would let one do stuff like "last element of infinite list" < 1400601242 299625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with the ways infinities are usually defined < 1400601260 722232 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have going right wrap to the negative \omega'th cell or something, though < 1400601337 452940 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400601361 869820 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just emulate it being an infinite distance away by making it a saparate list, with zero being defined at infinitely far to the right? < 1400601394 855596 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much how it works out with surreals, yeah. < 1400601417 931704 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even goes both ways, you can have \omega - 1 and so on. < 1400601445 947771 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn more classes of numbers. < 1400601471 564924 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or mroe about them, anyway. < 1400601475 692096 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400601671 404466 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400601727 90076 :password2!~password@197.78.130.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400601889 107494 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have < on cell 0 wrap to cell infinity < 1400601924 399406 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you just keep a hold of two lists < 1400601934 161836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that expands to the right and one that expands to the left < 1400601950 86911 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no way < on the cell infinity can every reach any other cell < 1400601953 963729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ever < 1400601972 209765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially that behaves the same way like expanding the tap to the left I think < 1400601976 894530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tape < 1400602082 642164 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400602089 324792 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know what I had planned for the 12th of June? < 1400602124 715152 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :invasion of basque country < 1400602136 192937 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely, that's far away < 1400602144 725748 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably something in York < 1400602210 642148 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400602213 529736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to invent type system based on epistemic logic? < 1400602223 571912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even manage a schedule < 1400602291 62920 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400602315 666986 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400602424 547565 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doxastic logic doesn't even define any relations on its modal operator, does it < 1400602429 19469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Sitting at the docks, feeding ducks, throwing rocks and hoping for luck? < 1400602487 178707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, York's pretty far inland, although it does have more than its fair share of ducks < 1400602505 568476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My university is apparently the university with the highest duck:student ratio in the EU < 1400602550 450565 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :src? < 1400602555 867987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :CITATION NEEDED < 1400602558 260395 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1400602561 839319 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39610&oldid=39607 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+144) 10+[[Gentzen]] < 1400602576 664443 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400602597 658452 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting ducks is related to martin-lof which is related to logics good job < 1400602667 31654 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://duckdensity.org.uk/uni_info?uni_ID=york < 1400602685 783823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a better source somewhere < 1400602693 19748 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Financial Times University Guide or something < 1400602805 7471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duckdensity dot org dot yuu key < 1400602825 736847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PUSH_(university_guide)#Trivia < 1400603074 553503 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400603164 558141 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400603205 308771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of the built-in rules of Gentzen esolang are based on sequent calculus, so you may be able to experiment with type systems using other modal logic and other things added, by extending sequent calculus and extending the rules of Gentzen esolang as such. < 1400603271 719125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39611&oldid=39393 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+646) 10/* Lambda? */ < 1400603439 354145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39612&oldid=39611 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-57) 10/* Lambda? */ < 1400603510 78990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have already put the K and N rules of modal logic on) < 1400603782 500816 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god an answer < 1400603859 494172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO answers < 1400603876 370951 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400603985 763992 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1400604061 455790 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400604131 455692 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1400604149 427896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like a Washizu mahjong game? I like this kind. < 1400604171 743532 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1400604171 891235 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400604172 993873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can make houtei a lot in a Washizu game. < 1400604273 736787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes, that is my only yaku.) < 1400604308 533454 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the last change is pretty amusing < 1400604323 564571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of epistemic logic? < 1400604340 478728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I looked at it, but unfortunately I don't know < 1400605145 62458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use bitcoin for payment even if you don't have any bitcoins or bitcoin client? (For example, go pay someone in cash and tell them address of whoever you have to pay, and the message to post with it.) Can you also receive payment with bitcoin in similar way? < 1400605200 263290 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would imply there are people who would actually give their bitcoins away < 1400605273 763692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is in exchange for money < 1400605285 363276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for product/services you are purchasing. < 1400605366 52965 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they may be worth ten times what you paid in the near future!!! < 1400605413 361964 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400605430 254629 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, tbh: i don't know, maybe there is something like that, but i wouldn't count on it < 1400605477 502561 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be enthusiastic enough to keep spreading but not too enthusiastic to gther as much as possible for yourself < 1400605495 637855 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how many bitcoin users fit in there < 1400605598 264964 :atehwa!~atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400605652 843095 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400605811 762901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out the session 52 of Dungeons&Dragons game before it is all being written? < 1400605817 671626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you guess it please? < 1400605907 429817 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumbledore dies < 1400605917 214390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree with me that, SQL stored procedures are worthless and triggers (if they are allowed on views as well) is much better? < 1400605921 459802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: No < 1400605932 536466 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I haven't been following it. < 1400605935 869947 :password2!~password@197.78.130.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400605969 908908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: HackEgo has a link. I am currently typing it so part of session 52 is available at this time, but the compiled version is only up to session 51 < 1400605971 321520 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can buy bitcoins at exchanges. < 1400605993 343137 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should figure out what's going to happen next in the game I'm playing < 1400605999 979127 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think it'd be hard to set up something that accepts payments and automatically sends them to an adress. < 1400606001 313047 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then have a session < 1400606002 468165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What already happened? < 1400606003 936986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoons. all over < 1400606019 419662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I would want it to be accepting payment in cash, though < 1400606029 329617 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, my character (a pacifist) ended up with a magical tattoo on his chest that the Platinum Empire was going to use as a weapon. < 1400606042 667880 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking a website at first, but if you want cash, it could be like a vending machine. < 1400606051 30742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If your chest makes you sin, cut it off. < 1400606060 587813 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, playing a pacifist may be funny < 1400606063 391914 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the party was from the Platinum Empire, and was instructed to take it back < 1400606077 975537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long story short, he and my left arm teleported away < 1400606092 621031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So now my character's harmless AND armless, heh) < 1400606118 718402 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now the remainder of the party (other than a vampire who ran away) and two new guys made it to the capital of the dwarf kingdom < 1400606125 692914 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And me and one of the new people have been arrested. < 1400606164 491878 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you trying to make your party stop if they harm others? < 1400606166 452701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because the Platinum Empire put a bounty on my head < 1400606182 307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, nah, I'm not a conscientious objector < 1400606202 600307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just lose all my holy powers if I harm any sapient being < 1400606214 687540 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like "kill whoever you want, i won't do anything"? < 1400606232 888348 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's like "kill whoever you want, I won't be happy but I might lend a hand" < 1400606245 266858 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1400606254 884611 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't directly harm sapient beings < 1400606283 923086 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can boost and heal my allies < 1400606287 883854 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your sword might accidentally fall through the eye of one? < 1400606294 133729 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a sword. < 1400606310 327850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've, it could be hillarious < 1400606317 164702 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think the intent would be a bit more important. < 1400606333 744090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my game is different, there are some creature I won't want to beat, and won't want to help others to do so, but, other character can do what they might want and I may or may not object, and furthermore my character is not particularly good at combat but can do it somewhat, when such a thing would help to do!!! < 1400606342 925888 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like if you sneeze and that causes you to lsoe balance and land on someone, that's not being no-pacifist. < 1400606366 454544 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The magical tattoo on my chest has fired once. I don't control it. < 1400606390 345695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feat "favored mercy (aberration)" but it isn't often in use. < 1400606400 764862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Then remove the tattoo. < 1400606410 598795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I can't < 1400606412 759664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use knife to cut off the skin if necessary. < 1400606418 613973 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paint over it < 1400606434 776234 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invent skin transplants so you can patch up the hole with skin from our butt. < 1400606437 341335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're on a quest to not let the Platinum Empire get hold of it < 1400606437 949104 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1400606438 463523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I won't expect that to work. < 1400606466 435554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If you cut it into enough pieces, then perhaps they don't hold of it. < 1400606478 259623 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if that's the case, i'd expect every magical tattoo to be some sort of filled circle, because it would be much easier to make < 1400606479 922597 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once it's removed, it'll be easier to hidee. < 1400606493 77341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that feels too easy story-wise and my character would object < 1400606514 58584 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's no longer stuck to any one particular body. < 1400606515 339235 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, it's also easier to lose < 1400606522 738999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: O, OK, if your character object then don't do it like that < 1400606541 484531 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill your character :p < 1400606547 370513 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were going to find some mages who said that they would be able to destroy it but they were all killed < 1400606565 677189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now we're on the run but also trying to bring down one of the major dwarven banks? < 1400606572 165817 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wear something that makes you always hunched over, so the tattoo always points at the ground. < 1400606581 865694 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, while we are at it: anyone funny ideas of what to play in shadowrun? < 1400606583 165076 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because one of the party owes them a lot of money < 1400606601 448335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems like the dwarfish nobility beat us to it < 1400606644 25471 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who thinks the Shadowrun is some kind of event like the running of the bulls, and wants to participate in it. < 1400606654 234352 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now step 1 is reunite the party (we're all on our own and two of us have been arrested) < 1400606784 867610 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pixie that rides around in a dwarf-sized mech. < 1400606788 379920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :During session 53, maybe I will have to make up something like a Morse-code < 1400606941 912420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I have to reach one place in Calimshan, and request a Cuban cigar. I have absolutely no use for a Cuban cigar, but apparently it is some kind of password for entering a secret church (it is secret because most people in Calimshan hate it) < 1400607058 203650 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they also hate smoking? < 1400607065 61011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1400607097 615603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the place I am requesting it from isn't a store that sells cigars anyways < 1400607118 779497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is unlikely that someone would go to ask them for one < 1400607181 434862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a sufficiently fancy astrolabe with both straight and curved parts, can you calculate cosines with it? < 1400607299 895303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do also have a holy symbol for the church I am intending to enter, so that might help too < 1400607357 471573 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think you'd just need something like a scotch yoke. < 1400607368 835236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a scotch yoke? < 1400607377 919893 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_yoke < 1400607427 632799 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For cosine instead of sine, you jsut add 90 degrees to the input, right? < 1400607452 65486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so < 1400607542 257901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character does own a astrolabe < 1400607737 758563 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400607835 182171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, also owns a shovel, and some nails, and a few other things. < 1400608028 192295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolabe has actually become useful in a few ways already; the DM expected that it is completely useless, at first! < 1400608102 432095 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1400608111 893171 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get to building robots, I should remember to make one with a built-in astrolabe. < 1400608129 424637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: OK < 1400608315 340402 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a thought I was remidned of from talking about astrolabes. < 1400608365 360488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to have some SQL extension that you can insert into a virtual table to listen for connections, make connections, accept connections, and to query it for listing them too. One column can tell the SQL statements which are run during such events. < 1400608834 922527 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there are couple of places where your code can be improved if you need any suggestions :-) < 1400608890 198803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else ever answer my question about SQL making internet connection, in a proper way, before. < 1400609174 541725 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I think I'm open for suggestions :D < 1400609338 368825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could scan two locations with the SEQ < 1400609345 931867 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming one location is a DAT #0, #0 < 1400609357 111924 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in the clear, you need 3 MOV s instead of MOV.A. That'll increase the score by 20% < 1400609375 356694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1400609493 251254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do roughly they same thing? < 1400609506 197357 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does MOV.A not copy the instruction? < 1400609516 491439 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400609519 907804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it does < 1400609608 738751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: If noticed that a lot of programs survive a mem clear < 1400609612 798170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why < 1400609624 520307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jmp 0 probably < 1400609636 358007 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV.A only copies the a-field. MOV.I copies the entire instruction. (MOV usually defaults to MOV.I) < 1400609693 955818 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: make the mem clear wipe memory multiple times (currently it clears ones, the suicides) < 1400609846 637080 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400609852 356056 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You can do that by moving SPTR2 to the top and changing QBMP to QBMP DAT #0, #25. When the wipe is almost finished, QBMP will then overwrite SPTR2, starting the clear again at +25 (just after your warrior) < 1400609902 612009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuba exists in zzo38's D&D-world? < 1400609978 693708 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cuban cigars are from cube < 1400610018 689118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, they said about Cuban cigars, at least. < 1400610053 923519 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 3rd improvement, move the SPLB line to just above the CLEAR line. This will split off lots of processes into the clear, making it more resistant to being hit. < 1400610130 612687 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly, the Shadowrun Wikipedia entry doesn't even mention D&D. < 1400610175 169439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400610444 881783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400610523 57740 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is egobot dead? < 1400610569 324279 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo is it? < 1400610570 709118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1400610824 785239 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:22] okay, while we are at it: anyone funny ideas of what to play in shadowrun? < 1400610848 456209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they put SQLite in HackEgo yet? < 1400610932 437744 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I confused zzo38 talking about D&D with myname talking about Shadowrun. < 1400611093 605484 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test [>[-]+] < 1400611130 284705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts < 1400611279 777179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: @FOO+3 isn't working right? < 1400611331 54381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it doesn't load the b'value and then adds 3 < 1400611437 68237 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like in assembly language. @FOO+3 returns the value at the address pointed to by (FOO+3) < 1400611599 877200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 52 < 1400611600 483582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 52: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1400611614 575748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is! < 1400611808 718063 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://codepad.org/pu1NrAEP - will put DAT 234 at X, because FOO+3 points to line 8 and line 8 contains -1, which points to line 7 (DAT 234) < 1400611916 823077 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400612013 467715 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400612020 195348 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400612040 967444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400612361 831901 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400613937 66901 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gduojzfdssprwrlr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400614638 357154 :Cyragia!510bb165@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400614919 786289 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uccykrdyqknfxinm JOIN :#esoteric < 1400615311 252978 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :j < 1400615325 888349 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of you can pronounce "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" < 1400615367 503785 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1400615382 173559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just pronounce it swissy < 1400615415 488843 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti : Nobody can < 1400615420 846831 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Lovecraft didn't give a shit < 1400615438 19146 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't even pronounce the crazy names consistently himself < 1400615461 520625 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can pronounce that < 1400615485 73321 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really from what I can gather < 1400615493 82148 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovecraft didn't really care much for the mythos < 1400615498 722262 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was mostly flavor text < 1400615509 659062 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point was mostly SPOOKY THINGS < 1400615516 219316 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400615540 887143 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although necronomicon was detailed pretty well, to a point where people thought it was real < 1400615543 702808 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also racism) < 1400615560 276775 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book of non-fiction texts by Lovecraft < 1400615572 113857 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty funny because he is like the least superstitious guy ever < 1400615587 9809 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So seeing people thinking the mythos is real is quite amusing < 1400615601 370536 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was way materialist < 1400615609 860060 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the name of the book? < 1400615623 137356 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, I left it at my parent's house < 1400615629 40509 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see on amazon < 1400615659 655729 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Collected-Essays-H-P-Lovecraft/dp/0974878987/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1400615651&sr=1-2&keywords=Lovecraft+science < 1400615661 538459 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one < 1400615667 50889 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION picks up a book called "Fuck, I Left it at my Parent's House". < 1400615682 211455 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly texts of when he wrote for an astronomy column in a local newspaper < 1400615696 180308 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400616015 808873 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400616064 759819 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400618325 504544 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-36-242.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400618439 452152 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-155.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400618754 252439 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400619490 567497 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400619781 399549 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400619835 194849 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-espqnzxnkbldgsvv QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400619914 121818 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jfgyobpypgazaaxh JOIN :#esoteric < 1400620473 285145 :nooodl__!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400620699 92839 :nooodl_!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400620931 855415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I edited 2048 to get rid of the zugzwang < 1400620940 704387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think this just trades frustration for mind-numbing tedium < 1400620997 336971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean adding a no-op move? < 1400621021 187671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400621031 770058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will drop a new tile but it won't move any of the existing ones < 1400621055 234109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating < 1400621069 404960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make the game easy to always win? < 1400621076 625513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no, it's just a different game < 1400621087 846070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't always win, but I think it's a lot easier yeah < 1400621111 564339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first score playing this variant was about as good as my best ever high score on the official version after far too many hours of play < 1400621136 416481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend made one that's 5 × 5 and only drops 2's < 1400621142 524027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is really fucking easy < 1400621165 371505 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400621195 709333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b01902112/9007199254740992/ < 1400621230 287911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400621234 711382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that it has a "move randomly "feature < 1400621292 156757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 2**69 < 900719925474099265052 < 2**70' < 1400621292 736636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1400621296 876146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with that < 1400621319 82490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400621373 977406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did those last 5 digits come from < 1400621387 883238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 9007199254740992 == 2**53' < 1400621388 468113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1400621438 372454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so confused now < 1400621446 685625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably copied my high score too or something < 1400621455 482896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is it 2**53... oh < 1400621457 625679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1400621480 560006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400621839 659242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can represent some integers much larger than that in a 64-bit float < 1400621844 276397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, you can represent powers of two < 1400622018 201848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also other possible representations of tile scores in this game. < 1400622025 893262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like this discussion has been had here before. < 1400622028 427150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as logarithmic? < 1400622030 436180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but not by me < 1400622033 279281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/14.03.17 < 1400622038 917234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conveniently at the top of the IRC logs. < 1400622055 69334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1400622075 462088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you said just before midnight that I'm so much in agreement with! < 1400622327 753379 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400622363 927751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was a link to 9007199254740992 < 1400622855 420390 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-212-155.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400622964 758198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400623070 816367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You were, like, here (or I guess maybe just left) when the 2**53 thing was discussed the other month: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2014-03-17#073648fizzie < 1400623146 704890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1400623161 89715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was, like, here when the logs were linked-to, five lines back. < 1400623632 537330 :nooodl__!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1400623664 733509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400623668 259530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelatedly, http://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2012/one-sentence-per-line/ is pretty great < 1400624164 322829 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400624683 83395 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400624815 110795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400625613 781851 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400625683 22187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm sudden minor bitcoin boom < 1400625729 914440 :syndrome!~superior@hosting.rikairchy.net NICK :synd < 1400625732 623638 :synd!~superior@hosting.rikairchy.net NICK :syndrome < 1400625760 809178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm thinking about type algebra gain < 1400625812 884527 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a job < 1400625814 671701 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippie. < 1400626477 639569 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about algebra loss instead? < 1400626485 24497 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1400626489 680741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just go to sleep < 1400626491 719756 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a long day < 1400626724 384991 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1400626769 706145 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guten nacht < 1400627008 40533 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1400627034 720151 :nooodl!~nooodl@204.147-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400627034 867347 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400627411 426516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400628009 327839 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400628538 312115 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400628589 974684 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are physical computer finite state machines? And thus, if I understand properly, pushdown automations are not physically realizable? < 1400628640 996499 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1400628678 295589 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1400628703 819073 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you second? < 1400628704 236291 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my dear hooker, i can think :) is in iris. i want only to show by direct evidence, that this greater sterility :)/, in carthamus. < 1400628721 25064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gases aren't ideal, either, but it's still a nicer approximation than the hamiltonian would be < 1400628722 978611 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: my body is not for sale, you filthy sapient bot! < 1400628723 336450 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: pot 4: 17 1? 8:: 11 4? 8: 63. pot 3: 83: 80 4? 8:: 22. < 1400628743 457436 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and don't tell me the odds. < 1400628744 78862 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there seems to be advantageous to them for gliding through/ air. in one case, and that/ species which were most promising." even peculiarities in blushing seem to be fully satisfied. i remember when i grew hothouse orchids i was cautioned not to wet their leaves; but i never had an opportunity, and it has done you no fnord farewell. < 1400628760 736728 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400629034 410726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1400629034 597405 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1400629034 597490 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Huh. You seem awfully eager to alloccate internal nodes. Do you think they grow on trees?' < 1400629054 58571 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klaun would be an awesome style for fungot < 1400629054 959459 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: forgive if you can, do not at any period :) life. he says " beechey's :( voyage," it would have been/ kindest friend to me that my precious speculation was one :)/ commonest kinds,/ massive runt,/ barb,/ breadth :)/ forehead. these muscles, when thus treated,/ results are given together. on both sides dipping to opposite points at an angle :) forty degrees; whilst, in/ case :) apparently continuous growth, as in a map. i < 1400629176 386555 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400629177 308307 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck klaun < 1400629177 630447 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1400629194 127382 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I dare to expect information from the cuttlefish... < 1400629218 527377 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Bonobo Conspiracy < 1400629227 623889 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or duck it < 1400629268 325492 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gonna fall for it again. < 1400629276 314002 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well. at least for the next five minutes.) < 1400629369 223423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1400629369 640744 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 202250Z VRB01KT CAVOK 13/09 Q1014 RMK WIND 670FT 30002KT < 1400629389 878988 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1400629390 302282 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 202300Z 22008KT 30SM FEW090 BKN240 22/03 A2997 RMK AC1CI4 SLP150 DENSITY ALT 800FT < 1400629396 811791 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! < 1400629399 522687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1400629407 959672 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :na na ni na nèreuh ♪ < 1400629420 873592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i suppose you still have sunlight right < 1400629430 750128 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do. < 1400629435 283843 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=pi%5E%28%28arctan+1%2F2%29+-+%28sin+%28pi%2F5%29%29%29 < 1400629441 128400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit dark here. < 1400629450 125822 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so! < 1400629454 673288 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :867-5309 < 1400629474 918589 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400629488 500737 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hm? jenny in the decimal expansion? < 1400629494 148286 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes < 1400629530 893362 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/DrhmqdL.png < 1400629635 913519 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1400629651 824989 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(previous OKAY uttered in a non-oerjan voice.) < 1400630009 146957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: cute < 1400630403 294526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1400630416 633533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(previous O KAY uttered in an oerjan voice.) < 1400630512 886233 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400631163 395165 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/j4ZtYXs.png i don't get it < 1400631308 368118 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400631588 349109 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400631607 345979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME NEITHER < 1400631622 903520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's after looking up the master theorem on wikipedia) < 1400631640 66528 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He put on his robe and wizard hat? < 1400631652 130095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a robe < 1400631949 329184 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleeping Pig Wakes Up for a Cookie http://youtu.be/6zbsUtQL4nY < 1400632082 487825 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400632168 956646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :svinaktig godt < 1400632305 679243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1400632307 262544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02higcoin 06etourcodfcoin 13paticoin 04unsulcoin 07aeocoin 08valcoin 09gracoin 02etonianuperceacoin 06movcoin 13ircutlaniccoin 04foodcoin 07odecoin 08shoiocoin 09ligheticoin 02alacoin 06perpancoin 13algehotcoin 04supecoin 07perpecoin 08var'scoin < 1400632342 152188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we remove the yellow from that < 1400632348 413581 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1400632353 628298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by me i mean you) < 1400632357 314960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *we < 1400632362 649879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using rainwords < 1400632370 646534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind if you remove the yellow from rainwords < 1400632374 612389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly care to do it myself < 1400632394 184773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with yellow? < 1400632411 220406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's unreadable < 1400632469 598331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems fine to me? Do you use a white background or something? < 1400632473 721662 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can read it. < 1400632476 942089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1400632494 54478 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe use a background color isntead of just foreground, so there's always black behind it. < 1400632505 310271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest configuring your terminal so that all 16 ANSI colors are visible, since there are only 16 of them < 1400632516 579506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1400632516 894750 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why there's the ​h, though. < 1400632534 575082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to change blue in urxvt because it was too hard to read against black < 1400632809 559419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that looks better < 1400633326 81364 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400633938 257843 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400634400 711135 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400634957 278148 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400634994 442492 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400635086 531597 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400635227 601804 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400635244 487861 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400635340 138862 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/5l2sm0c.png < 1400635344 268809 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be slightly addicted < 1400635525 621230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you get addicted to JESUS, hippie < 1400635656 540898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hippie < 1400635672 998566 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400635675 373639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in this particular case Bike's suggestion might be an improvement. < 1400635821 564487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: the only thing preventing arbitrarily bad bugs from being redefined as features is the threshold at which time travelers go back to prevent the programmer from ever being born. < 1400635879 353196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main weakness of this theory is the lack of evidence that there is such a badness limit. < 1400636024 257565 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400636044 979311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.tumblr.com/c0ec500021bd8af624d6fb5ad7fd8c95/tumblr_inline_n5w25rRllC1s3ca0o.jpg context-free design art < 1400636112 942253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a Saturn V < 1400636117 262868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400636129 460951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought an ICBM version of the Saturn V would be amusing < 1400636265 195940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's bomb the moon < 1400636431 219377 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LUNAR CHICKEN < 1400636435 493172 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400636638 236915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119 < 1400636664 393959 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1400636686 736940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was also reported that a failure to hit the Moon would likely result in the missile returning to Earth." < 1400637058 253727 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400637085 302191 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400637257 85676 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1400637274 481361 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, since the first moon-targeted satellite missed, but it didn't come back < 1400637887 264546 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400638235 233232 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400638517 531443 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400638767 740642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-82.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400638900 853760 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400640569 506587 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400640667 659631 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400640728 918103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah? < 1400640765 486570 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400640811 171120 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400640883 478649 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah!!! < 1400640953 644369 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait shit you were actually asking me < 1400640985 975416 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well a path meant to orbit around the Moon wouldn't be quite the same as one meant to hit it. < 1400640987 379125 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the soviet "Luna 1" had some problem so it missed and went heliocentric (the first heliocentric man-made object! fuck yeah!!!) and they renamed it and generally acted like it was awesome that they missed < 1400641022 924169 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still floatin' around < 1400641207 38144 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mechta is a cool name, admittedly < 1400641829 385281 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400641952 302045 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty hilarious. < 1400642022 734475 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400642237 722595 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400642338 250117 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400642403 388111 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1400642559 24011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today < 1400642636 660807 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400643048 792039 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1400643247 345400 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400643452 505017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do MDreams about monadic sheep? < 1400644241 406008 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400644606 389893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns about fun Javascript weirdness < 1400644741 878194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1400644866 435984 :xk002!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400644885 38595 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if([] && ([] == false)) {console.log("hello");} < 1400644885 188431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1400644896 713216 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1400645042 375098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a country < 1400645649 167509 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400645820 763139 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400646827 470405 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400646837 450980 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400646936 446038 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1400646936 634050 :not^v!~notnot^v@enlightenment/developer/seoz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400646963 637484 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400647134 804835 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400647634 746107 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400647815 662697 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400648287 964571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1400648437 384834 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400649098 436550 :not^v!~notnot^v@enlightenment/developer/seoz NICK :^v2 < 1400649312 797314 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Theme/Cantina_Band < 1400649318 123326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks a few times < 1400649379 99686 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400649385 404749 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... a Star Wars song... most popular instrumental song in history of recorded music < 1400649400 622929 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a very long history. < 1400650869 811150 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400650998 59386 :^v2!~notnot^v@enlightenment/developer/seoz QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400651131 396036 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400651150 150996 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400651213 748552 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400652006 206594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure "biggest-selling instrumental *single*" can really be losslessly translated to "most popular instrumental song". < 1400652163 931180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't know about that "only one ever to be certified Platinum" fact, since the database the Wiki'rticle links to gives about 410 results if you ask for type: Standard, format: Single, award: Platinum.) < 1400652225 443948 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that includes non-instrumentals < 1400652268 613856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1400652315 645273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess all the others have someone warbling. < 1400652319 901168 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :includes such luminaries as GUMMIBAR - I'M A GUMMY BEAR (THE GUMMY BEAR SONG) < 1400652375 806844 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bohemian rhapsody, an instrumental of which sounds p. dull < 1400652422 556538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In type: Digital, there's at least one "single" that does platinum. < 1400652452 843388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, 100 streamings equals one sold copy for determining that. < 1400652468 37916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, shit. < 1400652512 672544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinum.php?content_selector=criteria "100 on-demand audio and/or video streams will count as 1 Unit for certification purposes." < 1400652538 127511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Each "permanent digital download" counts as one, too.) < 1400652563 148595 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400652754 472479 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400653115 686367 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400653541 493958 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400654635 440126 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1400654672 226198 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1400654672 373517 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400654676 443993 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Quit: Derogatory terms for gynecomastia can include moobs (for male boobs) and bitch tits.[34] < 1400655135 782185 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400655135 969564 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400655537 426150 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1400656033 437706 :xk002!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400656059 539141 :xk002!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400657298 777765 :xk003!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400657360 479070 :xk002!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400657410 564441 :xk003!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt NICK :xk002 < 1400657793 53702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39613&oldid=39597 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+66) 10 < 1400657962 263935 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400658318 784820 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-249-166.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400659776 329397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1400660827 338163 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400661575 25907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :consciousness is cache coherence < 1400661645 624592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice note in the corner of a bus route map: "Please don't copy or use." < 1400661671 99856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's intended only to be admired as art. < 1400661697 873778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The note was referring to itself, not to the map. < 1400661724 582485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks for ignoring my explicit instructions, fizzie" -- the note < 1400661736 401651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1400662081 866165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was this map: http://www.city.kyoto.jp/koho/eng/access/img/basunabieigo-rosenn.pdf < 1400662330 369087 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400662361 806288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, now no one is respecting the note's right to be forgotten. < 1400662376 449197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the "printed with soy ink" note is probably untrue in the copy I just printed.) < 1400662418 304099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the ink is introducing itself. < 1400662421 817412 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so vegans can eat it? < 1400662463 250742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "regular ink" is made of. < 1400662469 226148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regulars. < 1400662478 405923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric regulars? < 1400662481 177852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some red ink is made of beetles < 1400662484 553707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this channel, that means people like you. < 1400662490 119409 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, John, Ringo, and the like < 1400662493 701795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering why some people have not been showing up. < 1400662570 567721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the red food dye (carmine, aka C.I. 75470, E120, "natural red 4") that's obtained from cochineals. < 1400662597 929595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When traveling outside of the allocated zone, it is necessary the extra fares" < 1400662661 600420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :traveling outside of the allocated zone is undefined behavior < 1400662866 685339 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1400664086 178733 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jfgyobpypgazaaxh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400664121 891594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pinkcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39614&oldid=39373 5* 03Feuermonster 5* (+29) 10/* Instructions */ < 1400664157 495446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pinkcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39615&oldid=39614 5* 03Feuermonster 5* (-387) 10Examples are invalid now. < 1400664356 855576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pinkcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39616&oldid=39615 5* 03Feuermonster 5* (+412) 10/* Play field */ Placement rules and coordinates < 1400664725 568068 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400664747 501616 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400665059 425753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably going to tricky to visualize < 1400665063 888408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+be < 1400667185 584189 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400669071 790433 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400669531 55332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help someone asked me what I'm most proud of and now I'm panicking < 1400669786 252369 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1400670039 352696 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the world of depression < 1400670044 727608 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1400670130 5122 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collecting a large number of esoteric languages that aren't Brainfuck? < 1400670134 369335 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dividing by zero? < 1400670246 392056 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things you're proud of are in the past, and your primary concerns are with the future? < 1400670530 826679 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1400670837 929251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Aim low. "I survived this far" is a remarkable accomplishment if you think about it long enough ;-) < 1400670861 793654 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, heck, I even have a bed! < 1400670875 797542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1400670892 648165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1400670895 803451 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rent a bed < 1400670923 350147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought my own from IKEA and assembled it all by myself! < 1400670934 956600 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! < 1400671337 541822 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400671941 646971 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400672274 421387 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400672443 240351 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400674505 518273 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400674853 750837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sacchan 5* 10New user account < 1400675002 109087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400675077 513120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39617 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+10) 10Created page with "[[MCurse]]" < 1400675144 697107 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400675843 762902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Asdf14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39618&oldid=31782 5* 03Malltog 5* (+208) 10Added moving examples < 1400676434 246549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39619 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+2009) 10Created page with "µCurse is a Turing-complete, purely functional language. It was created on May 21st, 2014 by [[User:Sacchan]] == Structure == Each µCurse-program describes a function from ..." < 1400676434 933852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CRalphabet14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39620&oldid=35330 5* 03Malltog 5* (+26) 10Added Category: Output only < 1400676491 931055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39621&oldid=39619 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+30) 10Added wrongtitle < 1400676620 26786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39622&oldid=39608 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+14) 10 < 1400676722 645619 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400676764 77061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39623&oldid=39617 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+45) 10 < 1400676845 502130 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400676908 731962 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39624&oldid=39621 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+72) 10 < 1400676969 652721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39625&oldid=39624 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+0) 10 < 1400677166 316826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39626&oldid=39625 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+0) 10 < 1400677344 179370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39627&oldid=39626 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+383) 10 < 1400677371 557389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39628&oldid=39627 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-1) 10 < 1400677498 44117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39629&oldid=39628 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+0) 10 < 1400677588 106607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39630&oldid=39629 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+91) 10 < 1400677954 510419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39631&oldid=39623 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+55) 10 < 1400677961 365542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39632&oldid=39631 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-1) 10 < 1400678057 186166 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Sacchan < 1400678057 751372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Sacchan. Thacchan. < 1400678941 301879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle forkIO < 1400678945 424363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Concurrent forkIO :: IO () -> IO ThreadId < 1400678945 571781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Conc.Sync forkIO :: IO () -> IO ThreadId < 1400678945 571871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Conc forkIO :: IO () -> IO ThreadId < 1400678973 307425 :Cyragia!510bb1d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400678986 167249 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that's not in System.IO < 1400679045 868545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :concurrency isn't in the haskell standard, as only ghc supports it completely < 1400679065 268766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(citation needed on the last part) < 1400679077 749924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and System.IO is a standard module < 1400679101 618007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that those are kept unchanged these days.) < 1400679140 723842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle threadDelay < 1400679143 125552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Concurrent threadDelay :: Int -> IO () < 1400679143 361986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Conc.IO threadDelay :: Int -> IO () < 1400679143 509283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Conc threadDelay :: Int -> IO () < 1400679472 145812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if lethally insulting the people who rejected my SO edit helps < 1400679789 506956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, made it worse. as expected, really. < 1400679805 230413 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1400679830 874770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn why is there no way to send a private message to someone on SO < 1400680032 377710 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400680319 522768 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400680569 226114 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400680843 139298 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400680865 410377 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400680930 521508 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-32.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400681677 663369 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400682319 962182 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1400682326 761331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gauntlet is a pretty crappy movie.... < 1400682355 79389 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I really supposed to beleive that someone could order 120 policemen to just should rounds after rounds after rounds < 1400682365 355704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/should/shoot < 1400682477 457339 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400682891 529546 :granderson!~wilfran@190.198.112.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400682938 477577 :granderson!~wilfran@190.198.112.14 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400682968 161133 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400684247 549760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400684731 228969 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400684872 168861 :Guest73440!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400685043 68869 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39633&oldid=39630 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+369) 10 < 1400685308 833187 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400686496 461769 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-32.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400686602 258682 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400686745 479457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400686955 580108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400687108 254234 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400687997 653964 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400688298 249603 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400688392 981955 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400689768 351423 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400689929 480321 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400690585 904411 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1400690597 739899 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :nainai69 < 1400690601 343249 :nainai69!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1400691237 504608 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400691331 756410 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400691395 758964 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400691554 538478 :xk003!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400691587 625402 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1400691694 788270 :xk002!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400691798 467918 :xk003!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400691824 114774 :xk003!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400692104 458819 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400692436 320393 :xk003!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Quit: Saindo < 1400692461 945131 :xk002!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400693306 195840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400693335 471306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400693529 546412 :xk003!~001@109.49.21.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400693566 320972 :xk003!~001@109.49.21.85 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400693604 540235 :xk003!~001@109.49.21.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400693665 444187 :xk002!~001@a94-133-123-241.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400693681 429297 :xk003!~001@109.49.21.85 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400693698 541170 :xk002!~001@109.49.21.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400693774 867171 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400693956 148282 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400693959 318176 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1400694002 978858 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400694007 210173 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400694017 233592 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400694104 848098 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :TheAlmightyGod < 1400694132 391586 :TheAlmightyGod!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400694165 383272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the new bitbucket UI < 1400694451 395143 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400694484 640557 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400694737 435297 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400694765 517656 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400695448 322159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:CLooP14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39634 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+625) 10Created page with "== implementing a #hyper pforeach == The description for pforeach specifies that "the statements '''can''' be executed in parallel" (emphasis mine). So a #..." < 1400695539 414585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FBI 'could hire hackers on cannabis' to fight cybercrime… The US agency's current policy prohibits anyone working for it who has used cannabis in the past three years. < 1400695542 435190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, its director James Comey has acknowledged that this is complicating its efforts to recruit hacking experts" < 1400695586 52233 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still laughing at the idea of someone coming into an FBI job interview on DiPT or somethin < 1400695609 441001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1400695620 567599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird one < 1400695645 274437 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but it's legal!" < 1400695668 782876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know hackes smoke weed < 1400695671 886630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hackers < 1400695681 931917 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you making a funny < 1400695696 982204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what? < 1400695704 948950 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a joke < 1400695721 637172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, actually no. < 1400695733 558433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never associated computer geeks with cannabis < 1400695962 492042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1400695997 866783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cool kids do drugs and computer geeks aren't cool < 1400696014 384167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1400696015 585763 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see i grew up in a different environment from you two < 1400696022 188512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I hate that I'm 26 and I still think that way sometimes < 1400696025 4815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :old habits die hard < 1400696050 386043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: exactly < 1400696079 456410 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ last three messages combined < 1400696128 260477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm no hacker so I dunno < 1400696228 40726 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400696251 411119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my social group in college was focused largely around functional programming and experimental psychedelics < 1400696318 168877 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Which languages? < 1400696319 140419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out you can nerd out about sex, drugs, and crime just as well as 'uncool' things < 1400696482 505080 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Which college? < 1400696487 732272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: mostly Haskell < 1400696488 312814 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which psychedelics" < 1400696491 334884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: Caltech < 1400696499 62115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which "and"? < 1400696505 893381 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which "which"? < 1400696517 44165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which "it"? < 1400696518 566106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which witch. < 1400696526 977283 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn the with < 1400696544 368898 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*witch < 1400696660 955634 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fungot? < 1400696661 106514 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: on/ other from/ light to/ dark as truly as they now are. < 1400696670 356140 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1400696670 503688 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1400696681 217109 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1400696682 665657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-C, DOI, mescaline, 5-MeO-DMT, 4-HO-DIPT, DIPT, 4-AcO-DMT, psilocin, 4-HO-MET, LSD < 1400696713 690407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I bet you could generate names for experimental psychedelics. < 1400696714 250454 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: art :) making rude canoes or rafts was likewise known; but as man existed at a remote period, but it would take an hour and an hour. i have received several confirmatory fnord in one :)/ earlier essay to/ flora fnord," ennobling, would, perhaps, may be long carried on, by a few species/ males are decorated with beautiful colours,/ male is either much redder or greener than/ female. < 1400696720 635132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta catch 'em all < 1400696735 566923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true though, I'm never taking 2C-T-* or 25I-NBOMe < 1400696765 467546 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the spirit < 1400696771 925074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or datura < 1400696784 169459 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing ochem nomenclature in class again btw and i'm pretty sure it's np-hard at least < 1400696816 447614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun times < 1400696883 310436 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the graph stuff, i think the numbering might be reducible to knapsack sorta thing < 1400696949 423244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The new TLDs we have added today are: .dance, .democrat, .exposed, .foundation" < 1400696952 435587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but combined like that, it sounds kinda strange. < 1400696965 581760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dance, democrat, your foundation is exposed. < 1400696978 876673 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dance, democrat exposed foundation" < 1400697056 531567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :exposed.dance < 1400697083 835005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these TLDs owned privately? < 1400697086 986749 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400697097 222390 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foundation exposed dance democrat. < 1400697100 158704 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you bought .dance nobody can use .dance? < 1400697123 907144 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you lease it out, like other TLD owners. < 1400697136 758530 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can lease out subdomains to any domain you own. < 1400697160 634423 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to buy the .exe TLD. < 1400697174 315807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400697178 653035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click on foo.exe! < 1400697187 984354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on foo.exe. < 1400697198 476615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean on foo.exe? Did you open it? < 1400697201 252139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I did. < 1400697250 363949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should buy .eso though . < 1400697255 839367 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.corn is also nice, it that it's tricky if you don't look closely. < 1400697275 919376 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn.avi < 1400697292 911297 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who want's .corn anyway o_O < 1400697317 183346 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f56c:ebcd:15db:2861 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400697323 904976 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a lenght limitation to tlds? < 1400697328 334960 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's TLD for farmers in the US, where we grow so much corn. < 1400697343 456807 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400697358 213708 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing however long the people in charge of selling them will allow. < 1400697395 887321 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, if you won a TLD, can you make a website that's just that without the .? < 1400697402 411260 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*own a < 1400697403 523339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.amtakingallyourmoneyyouprick < 1400697427 453838 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot.dot < 1400697458 357825 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The website for silent protagonists everywhere. < 1400697466 250846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :63 characters is at least one limit. I don't know if ICANN imposed anything else in the new gTLD program. < 1400697623 775039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think ICANN frowned on having A/AAAA records on a TLD. Some of the applicants wanted to. < 1400697633 632561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technically, you can.) < 1400697665 790340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though your users might run into "search suffix added automatically to names with no dots" problems.) < 1400697736 270067 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a lot of current browser behavior thrown out anyway. < 1400697769 237030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be a system DNS resolver behavior, too. < 1400697826 746642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can check gTLD applications at https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus -- and download the public portion, if you're interested about the applicant's plans on whether to allow general registration. < 1400697858 217846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's possible that was more or less a requirement for actually getting a "generic word" TLD.) < 1400697875 424865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ai./ < 1400697903 539240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there is or was someone who works for that NIC called Ian with the email n@ai. possibly apocryphal < 1400697921 37621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard about that, too. < 1400697925 382677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably from me. < 1400697930 371765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've relayed it before < 1400697939 579876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it probably was a #esoteric discussion. < 1400697951 771998 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is a good url how is it legal < 1400697965 194008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: example.com is actually example.com. < 1400697987 92035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way DNS works, you resolve foo.bar.com. using bar.com. the same way you resolve bar.com. using com. < 1400698003 86136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing stopping the owner of the .ai ccTLD from putting an A record at the top level, it's just horrendously evil < 1400698013 576241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the final . because browsers < 1400698017 857057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though http://ai/ works in firefox here < 1400698022 944765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling ccTLDs may have more latitude there than participants of the gTLD program. < 1400698038 611780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.towo.eu/a-records-on-top-level-domains/ quite a lot of them actually have/had something. < 1400698051 846979 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in chrome, but i wonder where it's actually looking when i ask it to retrieve http://ai/ then < 1400698075 823186 :Guest73440!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1400698075 970771 :Guest73440!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1400698079 511547 :Guest73440!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1400698098 623990 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400698101 41585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there was some sort of a quasi-recent decision against it; if not a rule, then maybe a best-practices comment from some authoritative-sounding source, or some-such. < 1400698188 724995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it seems like "to" no longer exists :( < 1400698531 242209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to as in the TLD? < 1400698563 40255 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sad < 1400698649 304728 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha, ai really works < 1400698693 202944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: as in the A record for "to." < 1400698702 411202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLDs don't really do the stop existing thing much. < 1400698716 230658 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're east germany! < 1400698740 246652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :those bastards < 1400699021 587389 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400699248 759165 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400699300 7456 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400699319 578816 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400699622 940178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Czechoslovakia's .cs stopped existing when they split to the Czech Republic and Slovakia. < 1400700150 480222 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400700331 244219 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400700392 521355 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400700522 228480 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dd < 1400700546 440249 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400700686 996963 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :toldja. < 1400700706 339171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still register .su domains I think < 1400700758 183202 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1400700760 610766 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another channel i'm on banned *.dd, *.aq, *.kp < 1400700765 448628 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hostnames < 1400700767 920794 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because TLD appeared on the tail end of the soviet union < 1400700803 552224 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those poor antarctica people < 1400700808 428758 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold and lonely < 1400700820 529615 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, i thought .su was sudan and was like wait they didn't rename it did they < 1400700892 362672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: heh < 1400700965 690967 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw, blaze it https://twitter.com/mnxmnkmnd/status/469197478235869184/photo/1/large < 1400701091 348339 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f56c:ebcd:15db:2861 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400701105 716694 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400701152 561801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke that's THC? < 1400701169 85896 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMT. I figured it was a good start < 1400701201 17848 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think my kit's big enough for THC :( < 1400701257 945485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400701259 849490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a biggie < 1400701277 649281 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have enough double bonds for dmt, even < 1400701278 168363 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic < 1400701361 9499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/pgGaX.jpg < 1400701395 425438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39635&oldid=39613 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+215) 10 < 1400701419 216827 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that weird ball thing is supposed to be LSD huh. never noticed < 1400701437 153865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400701493 238104 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense than most depictions of armoaticity to me :V < 1400701506 68890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400701514 587964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think that's what the rainbows are meant to represent < 1400701745 43478 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i figured for the hex ring right above his hand < 1400701764 808287 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :electron density diagrams are pretty colorful, it could work < 1400701788 989445 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://employees.csbsju.edu/hjakubowski/classes/ch123/HCl_H20ElDensity.gif rainbowz < 1400701952 895494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1400702072 110336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.2.3.13/bmi/www.tablespoon.com/~/media/Images/Articles/tfa/2013/04/2013-04-13-rainbow-bread-p9458-580w.jpg < 1400702075 325821 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1400702084 423192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tablespoon.com/~/media/Images/Articles/tfa/2013/04/2013-04-13-rainbow-bread-p9458-580w.jpg < 1400702142 932183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "transparent" proxy of this mobile internet provider isn't.) < 1400702195 952817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make things worse, 1.2.3.0/24 is actually assigned ... and not to them < 1400702202 148787 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400702454 691642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckers < 1400702580 836981 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/copyright+rules+killed+Hadfield+Space+Oddity/9842445/story.html < 1400702584 576113 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1400702628 339262 :Cyragia!510bb1d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.214 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400702702 797610 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400702769 479301 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400702878 655972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39636&oldid=39635 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+1) 10 < 1400703042 198667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's assigned, but only to the (APNIC) Debogon project, not to any real traffic. < 1400703097 697389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the APNIC Debogon project, which exists because of shit like this < 1400703099 625371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why we can't have nice things < 1400703117 695253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the talk about measuring "background radiation" to 1.1.1.0/24 and 1.2.3.0/24 when they started prepping 1.0.0.0/8 for general use. < 1400703142 435298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet background radiation is anisotropic < 1400703172 488574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fingerprint of creation! < 1400703230 901065 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm still on ipv4 aren't i :( < 1400703276 590504 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo! < 1400703296 859935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I'm ipv4 too < 1400703311 429201 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i geolocate to the other side of the state, you'd think they'd mvoe to ipv6 as long as they're doing their own isp-ing < 1400703465 407545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on IPv8, get with the times < 1400703475 478888 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400703488 644595 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1400703567 432944 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400703571 971980 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ipv5 < 1400703585 976293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't talk about IPv5 < 1400703589 504448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was used for some experimental protocol that went nowhere. < 1400703607 990471 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Stream_Protocol rip ;_; < 1400703703 599232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how it's going for HIP. There were some people from our university involved in that. < 1400703894 731451 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400704012 156140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/gurtov/ there's a HIP guy, for example. < 1400704040 686661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not really "from our university", but slightly associated with, anyway.) < 1400704284 383813 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400704470 7299 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Sleep. < 1400704677 907123 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400704921 728335 :xk002!~001@109.49.21.85 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400704955 394626 :xk002!~001@109.49.21.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400705044 565004 :nooodl_!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400705223 366233 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 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365676 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400707667 181649 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400707978 249741 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400708360 135747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400708911 879571 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1400709304 239009 :xk002!~001@109.49.21.85 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400709361 676007 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400709362 534162 :xk002!~001@109.49.21.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400709979 180958 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400711120 341581 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400711181 796517 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400711374 909150 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400711572 667849 :jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400711650 522964 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1400711669 357664 :diginet_!~diginet@li427-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400711683 238682 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400711692 445818 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400711716 773632 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400711796 966656 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400711890 188442 :diginet!~diginet@li427-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400711890 622040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400711892 662005 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :kmc < 1400712404 224672 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400712555 976266 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1400712573 322978 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400712576 896679 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400712580 477509 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400712623 632313 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400712687 522064 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400712893 501902 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1400712918 361351 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400713236 518883 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400713419 336298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400713491 269210 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400713547 943584 :jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1400714659 772401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:39 < kmc> consciousness is cache coherence < 1400714666 183283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, that was mostly intended to be nonsense < 1400714725 819062 :nooodl_!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400714735 377149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do think it's interesting that the human brain and a modern digital computer are both massively distributed systems which work very hard to provide the illusion of a single coherent entity < 1400714757 592503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if consciousness is not a pure epiphenomenon, its evolutionary purpose probably has something to do with that < 1400715893 231928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400716570 908244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, Rust lets you disable the equivalent of -Werror for just one file, from within that file < 1400716575 446581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful during development < 1400716763 458841 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400717325 977369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have the equivalent of -fdefer-type-errors < 1400717330 643149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400717333 193193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I keep talking about it < 1400717339 89085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :less clear what it means in a strict language < 1400717344 783153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it on a per-top-level-function basis, though < 1400717352 979491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we don't have type inference between top level functions, anyway < 1400717362 461851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should implement it < 1400717365 664183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you replace a type error with a call to exit(whatever) < 1400717369 130691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1400717385 798621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but in Haskell it will only happen if the value is actually used < 1400717392 693580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the line the type error is on < 1400717398 410666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure, it won't be as fine-grained < 1400717435 901424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i'm fine with that usually < 1400717454 139657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the finest of grains will do < 1400717617 720740 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining this disablement being like #PRAGMA fuckthisfile < 1400717630 737309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#![yolo] < 1400717640 81736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually #![warn(warnings)] which is... not the most clear < 1400717661 830602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -Wall equivalent is deny(warnings) aka -D warnings on the command line < 1400717695 478900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it scoped or just per-file < 1400717756 502501 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warn(warnings), lol < 1400717896 822161 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, type errors on, eg, the wrong side of a conditional can still be deferred? < 1400718002 553569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: all of the warning attributes can be applied to a module or function etc. < 1400718010 622425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can change the warning handling further within that thing < 1400718022 573310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there's also an attribute to make a warning fatal and forbid making it non-fatal inside < 1400718026 554288 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400718049 126637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah < 1400718052 984241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( "this is your last warning" < 1400718053 132731 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"this is your last warning" : 12String < 1400718546 735121 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400718679 904546 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say we don’t have warnings yet, but we do … --warnpartial and --warnreach . < 1400719116 262005 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wild oerjan < 1400720175 310659 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400720828 926157 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1400721147 475617 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400721265 203807 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work, I forgot that Java enums aren't algebraic data types < 1400721284 483908 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1400721632 305770 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah it's poll day today < 1400721757 662265 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who should I vote for? I don't know! < 1400721769 740079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being an adult is scary sometimes < 1400721827 125796 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote for the least evil < 1400721851 653229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't tell, the answer is probably 'not a lawyer or activist or lobbyist' < 1400721854 372010 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could vote for the Yorkshire Independence Party! < 1400721858 987190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I... actually can) < 1400721931 714668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "Yorkshire First" < 1400722023 748885 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a racist thing < 1400722057 453798 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know their policies < 1400722067 438465 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they just don't like Lancastrians < 1400722124 352769 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :« < 1400722133 896679 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is otherwise described as a “pragmatic” centrist party with “progressive views on economic, social and environmental issues”, with the top goal of building “a self-assured and outward-looking Yorkshire where the decisions affecting Yorkshire people are taken locally”.» < 1400722138 896381 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man this computer is bad < 1400722157 406833 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1400722157 921453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :102) what's the data of? [...] Locations in a now deceased game called Mutation I have no problems with you being interested in online games but the necrophilia is disturbing < 1400722174 273198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: this is britain where every vote that doesn't have a chance of winning its circuit is wasted, right? < 1400722185 180982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not sure < 1400722197 371959 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The europarl elections are different < 1400722258 107951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is europarl? < 1400722266 43199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1400722276 96351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what is the yorkshire independence party doing there. < 1400722286 663975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question < 1400722301 561950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i think europarl is proportional, at least partly < 1400722326 261924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europarl is proportional at the region level, Yorkshire and the Humber has 6 seats < 1400722333 972256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1400722372 53401 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the 6 from last time, 2 are no longer members of their parties < 1400722419 40048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do your part to keep ukip from becoming britain's biggest europarl party twh < 1400722480 176155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read about that in the newpaper. < 1400722495 82927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the local one. < 1400722512 307411 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The York Press? < 1400722527 685972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Adresseavisen hth < 1400722548 640451 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool < 1400722577 378573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _think_ it was there, anyhow. < 1400722614 552237 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's local newspaper is "Hexham Courant incorporating Alston Herald, Hexham Herald, Haltwhistle Herald and Haltwhistle Echo" < 1400722686 297595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call it the Hexham Chimæra and be done with it. < 1400723196 825402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1400723902 88010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: anyone from the Official Monster Raving Loony Party? < 1400723999 587911 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :( < 1400724012 238985 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably vote lib dem, there's almost as good a joke < 1400724115 552622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400724119 559463 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity, OMRLP is definitely the best party. < 1400724143 578306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how do you feel about scottish independence < 1400724201 746346 :xk003!~001@109.48.208.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400724242 722223 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ambivalent < 1400724321 590592 :xk002!~001@109.49.21.85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400724366 859115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably send the UK lurching even further to the right :/ < 1400724391 15436 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why am I drawing the 20th iteration of the dragon fractal using Python's turtle module < 1400724426 414179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a fine idea < 1400724459 669635 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 3 am < 1400724474 591436 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1400724478 12046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1400724492 801194 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i drawing the 20th iteration of the dragon fractal using paper and pen < 1400724557 662004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you have too much time and paper < 1400724624 364722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever draw a sierpinksi triangle by hand using the randomized algorithm? < 1400724625 693803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's p. fun < 1400724683 760784 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was more the "make fun of you for doing that" guy < 1400724686 571640 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in school < 1400724707 739757 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Quit: realzies < 1400724801 621750 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randomized algorithm? < 1400724805 850635 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of that one. < 1400724890 754894 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle#Chaos_game < 1400724907 431390 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Neat. < 1400725019 725455 :xk003!~001@109.48.208.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400725137 458550 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400725166 312203 :xk003!~001@109.48.208.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400725171 343006 :xk004!~001@109.48.208.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400725182 349216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle#Chaos_game < 1400725187 684314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1400725199 549827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid touchpad < 1400725229 302497 :xk003!~001@109.48.208.33 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400725234 610524 :xk004!~001@109.48.208.33 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400725250 320350 :xk002!~001@109.48.208.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400725261 840960 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400725485 648073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :touchy stupidpad < 1400725659 199193 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1400725908 212797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: psst http://biohaskell.org/ < 1400725916 679465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly < 1400725948 438242 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked up some code for this book i'm reading and it uses a matlab feature i didn't know existed, namely, declaring variables as global within a function < 1400725949 671843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice logo < 1400725956 410520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hilarious < 1400725966 247068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christian Höner zu Siederdissen is quite a name. < 1400725999 192098 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a great theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGufyFt6zQc < 1400726011 411527 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone writes a haskell thing that lets me vary parameter sets to a function that takes like a million parameters and doesn't look ugly as fuck i'll use it < 1400726045 41577 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're using the biohazard symbol to represent biology, they should also use \bottom to represent haskell < 1400726050 7342 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vary parameter sets? < 1400726062 422252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: CLEARLY you need lenses hth < 1400726112 933412 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for example, hodgkin-huxley has like a dozen parameters. i just want something to run a model with various sets of arguments that doesn't look terrible < 1400726130 191637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm loading variable assignments from a file (uuuuuuugh) < 1400726151 298398 :xk002!~001@109.48.208.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400726163 786793 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly, are there any good ode sims in haskell, i guess < 1400726175 626635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: python has that matlab feature < 1400726219 233906 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has every matlab feature < 1400726235 645201 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean all matlab features are bad < 1400726267 625839 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript has that feature too. Every once in a while someone actually uses it intentionally. < 1400726270 297570 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever seen a matlab program?? < 1400726273 685239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it means some python ones are hth < 1400726292 757677 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you know what i'll show you what i was looking at: http://www.izhikevich.org/publications/dsn/addprob.pdf < 1400726298 481973 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :point one: code is a pdf < 1400726337 208376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's horrible record system is actually a p. good parameter system < 1400726346 80866 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :point two: I = par(13)*(m.^p.*h.^q)'.*((v(:,2)-E)*ones(1,length(times))); < 1400726347 354791 :irctc664!46485481@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.72.84.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400726348 413082 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS MY LIFE < 1400726355 733898 :irctc664!46485481@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.72.84.129 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400726361 287941 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's right run < 1400726366 421211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slips Bike the cyanide pills < 1400726375 141231 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody could love me < 1400726375 622446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: truth < 1400726462 305890 :xk002!~001@109.48.208.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400726571 567490 :xk002!~001@109.48.208.33 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400727226 727901 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400727253 861786 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400727259 977814 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400727434 492943 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:2830:162e:cbc3:3ba3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400727435 922040 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400727785 77158 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400727791 748255 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400727792 755403 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400727792 901754 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400727797 316906 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1400727820 367730 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400727823 387014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hug < 1400727831 748872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAA too late < 1400727842 104489 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1400727854 619563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hug < 1400727923 649941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp hug sh echo 'Keep your dirty fingers off me!' < 1400727924 262156 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Interpreter hug installed. < 1400727997 270743 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1400728018 399434 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400728043 147052 :Gracenotes_!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400728043 340082 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:2830:162e:cbc3:3ba3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400728043 878966 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:2830:162e:cbc3:3ba3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400728044 413255 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400728056 709751 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400728146 29135 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400728821 4352 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400729574 376210 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400729661 6880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As obvious as this sounds, it seems to me that large swaths of consciousness-theorizing can just be summarily rejected for trying to have their brain and eat it in precisely the above way." < 1400729671 295130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799 < 1400729741 587381 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1400729810 262569 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400730104 922897 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical theory of consciousness lol < 1400730314 386537 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Strikingly, despite the large literature about Φ, I had a hard time finding a clear mathematical definition of it" yep lol < 1400730356 789692 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these people need jesus + thermodynamics < 1400730380 771057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1400730421 742330 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pancreas joke is funny given that i have a paper on modeling pancreatic cells open < 1400730523 400562 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1400730584 342789 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400730605 251708 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:2830:162e:cbc3:3ba3 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400730827 214745 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1400730841 416200 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400732171 686714 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1400733822 320334 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400733833 186443 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1400733883 985923 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup. < 1400734004 718152 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing just new over here < 1400734031 78196 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying hi... you know :P < 1400734047 874545 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you? < 1400734077 319797 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxin', relaxin' < 1400734103 822085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Positive07 < 1400734105 192951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1400734174 810109 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I come from there... Im quite intrigued by esolangs and looking for ideas for a new one < 1400734296 423865 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, usually people come here because they already have some glimmer of an idea and want some feedback on how to improve it < 1400734317 313193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some are willing to offer said feedback as long as its not another brainfuck clone :P < 1400734415 612302 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?sortby=pubdate&hl=en&user=suo5D8wAAAAJ&view_op=list_works roll w/it < 1400734495 331798 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Positive07: do something involving graph grammars < 1400734515 599893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this idea < 1400734540 107652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammars could be more sophisticated than eodermdrome < 1400734540 397032 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mention graph grammars for purely selfish reasons < 1400734555 344535 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah have some ideas... gifs qrs and cym plus some instructions, basically you take your code and make qr codes with it then put it into cyan magenta and yellow channels and combine them., do this multiple times andmakes frames of a gif < 1400734609 464913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds less like a language and more like an encoding scheme < 1400734624 902879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but IT HAS POTENTIAL < 1400734639 359973 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is, the language its underneath < 1400734652 450197 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it looks awesome :D < 1400734689 507752 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is* < 1400734747 804103 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underneath its brainfuck :D just kidding -.- < 1400734785 741375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1400734826 364849 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you are into electronics too! Thats great < 1400734840 837994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is? < 1400734847 439892 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think so < 1400734847 870871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro? < 1400734855 131709 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says so < 1400734859 641235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he in ##electronics < 1400734863 970920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400734883 289112 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not adamatzky, i just like electrocytoplasm < 1400734906 808043 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh might read it < 1400734907 573588 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude's made a career out of building electronic things out of slime molds. i respect that < 1400734943 490937 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not into electronics < 1400734946 975078 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does google say I am? < 1400734973 437203 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrote my message before him < 1400734977 952255 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant bike < 1400734991 828640 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't bike either < 1400735080 61779 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hated graph grammars since I was a child... not because I'm bad at it but I just dont like to represent data like that < 1400735195 688694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've reached inbox 666 < 1400735224 781578 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete one and wait to reach it again < 1400735513 222372 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400735834 531521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: where did you start? < 1400735972 214215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1400735978 398541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I didn't have any email when I was born < 1400735981 938279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even have an email address < 1400735984 329982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike kids these days < 1400736176 341068 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400736191 875852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were working on reducing the number of emails in your inbox < 1400736220 22441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was impressed, since it would take me a full day or even longer to get down to 666 < 1400736229 653653 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of continuous archiving < 1400736425 144503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400736429 802901 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1400736571 312228 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400737841 419382 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400738505 606082 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400738608 421036 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1400738648 768577 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400738776 275355 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1400739189 908658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic серафими многоꙮчитїи < 1400739328 556176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does italic г look like a backwards 's'? < 1400739378 314495 :Positive07!beb1006b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.177.0.107 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400739752 284824 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1400739907 624603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39637&oldid=39633 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+186) 10 < 1400739933 183379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: who, why indeed < 1400739944 719765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why who < 1400739971 691943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :italic г < 1400739973 960810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39638&oldid=39637 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-27) 10 < 1400739983 751728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see it for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghe_with_upturn or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gje < 1400740001 725825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39639&oldid=39638 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-6) 10 < 1400740055 106992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39640&oldid=39639 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+20) 10 < 1400740060 36887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/823276 < 1400740281 383041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1400740306 954653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :гѓ I Can't Believe It's Not HTML < 1400740393 120080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you think rustc would be a better place to spend one's time than ghc if one was to work on some compiler < 1400740398 834442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's an odd comparison to make < 1400740536 221405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit underspecified < 1400740547 677323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on your goals < 1400740590 372363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to work on exotic type system features, no < 1400740669 193985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense for me because working on rustc helps me do my job :) < 1400740671 281979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I will actually implement loadable warnings < 1400740723 792708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any nifty use cases for that? i gave a few on https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/14067 < 1400740763 639862 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400740792 782329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there C or C++ projects today which use GCC plugins to implement custom static checking? < 1400740833 622368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PaX uses GCC plugins to harden the Linux kernel in various ways, but I think all of them involve modifying the code < 1400740912 610971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are things for clang. < 1400741135 413462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so nice doing systems programming in a language with a macro system that isn't shit < 1400741202 281663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. https://tecnocode.co.uk/2013/12/09/clang-plugin-for-glib-and-gnome/ < 1400741322 369852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nice < 1400741339 301392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember that there's also a plugin, written in Python, to audit usage of the CPython API < 1400741358 775869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a plugin for GCC < 1400742194 718085 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400742277 979751 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39641&oldid=39640 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+59) 10 < 1400742335 414739 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400742392 239988 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400742654 41133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_prognosticator < 1400743795 203670 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400743798 351832 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39642&oldid=39636 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (-102) 10 < 1400746392 362720 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400747173 321183 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1400747699 453106 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400748043 330723 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400748043 513386 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400748439 769531 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell does cabal install complains about not finding a shared object if the corresponding package is installed >_> < 1400749578 756090 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1400750777 307436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400750777 540975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1400750780 391089 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400750902 659732 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400751488 481444 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400751571 277134 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400751609 293165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400753942 166090 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400754245 963011 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400754355 568304 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400755534 576218 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400756491 836131 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1400757404 515645 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400757673 539245 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400757950 451628 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140421221237] < 1400758297 50742 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400758662 410329 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400758771 444511 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400759020 576027 :xk002!~001@109.48.208.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400759630 493424 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400760357 552796 :xk002!~001@109.48.208.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400760462 159571 :xk002!~001@109.48.208.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400760806 121946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400760906 976864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pattern syntax in expression context" < 1400760908 724173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1400760936 704004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't nest case in Haskell? < 1400760953 119842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can < 1400760962 108362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you try < 1400761002 580037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what's your code < 1400761006 962337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400761013 631502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's some tab/spaces mixup then < 1400761052 536863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1400761059 529855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My editor inserts tabs when I do 4 spaces < 1400761063 871189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1400761079 879007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can program haskell with that setting. < 1400761083 893879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cannot < 1400761092 680227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically you can. < 1400761112 562406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tune a filesystem, but you can't tunafish. < 1400761112 905562 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400761117 615435 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can. It just does'nt work when nesting cases :D < 1400761131 220796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you must make sure to _only_ use tabs for indentation, and never do alignment-based layout. < 1400761154 202135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you know haskell _defines_ tabs as equivalent to 8 spaces, right? < 1400761173 496686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or precisely, 8 space column fits) < 1400761183 715023 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen python code-golfs make use of that < 1400761192 695503 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no. But I know that it's probably a bad idea to mix tabs and spaces since indentation matters < 1400761259 991698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your editor. < 1400761271 887946 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad++ < 1400761280 264724 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it inserts tabs when pressing enter < 1400761285 117135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has this auto indentation stuff < 1400761285 818195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shifts away carefully < 1400761296 642837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400761300 927294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not worth discussing it ;) < 1400761316 207953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've changed it to "replace tabs with spaces" and things work fine < 1400761321 576555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1400761659 723151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote dude's made a career out of building electronic things out of slime molds. i respect that < 1400761661 14164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1196) dude's made a career out of building electronic things out of slime molds. i respect that < 1400761834 795392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why does italic г look like a backwards 's'? <-- because cyrillic italics is insane, hth < 1400761861 910967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually wondered for quite long why "italic r" would look like a backwards s. < 1400761898 211210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also how those wikilinks about cyrillic characters are relevant w.r.t. r. < 1400761937 728121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane enough that it's a problem for me that google translate italicizes its spell correction suggestions. < 1400761948 869890 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how traditional cursive r looks not much like print r either? < 1400761988 244537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm sure the latin alphabet is just as insane. what's this lower case madness?!?! < 1400761992 559385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400762005 899996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly cyrillic borrowed it from latin) < 1400762048 275032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES I ALSO THINK LOWER CASE IS ENTIRELY UNNECESSARY AND THE SAME GOES FOR PUNCTUATION TBH < 1400762071 705642 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400762089 452355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actuallyitscapitalsthatareunnecessaryasarespacesmanywritingsystemsdofinewithoutthem < 1400762162 832953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :spacesareunnecessarytoo < 1400762174 609938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanesedoesnthavethemandtheycanreadfineiguess < 1400762188 543794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORAMIWRONG < 1400762194 647166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a unicameral writing system, how can you tell if it's lacking lower or upper case? < 1400762202 96391 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :VVESHOVLDGOBACKTOTHEORIGINALLATINALPHABET < 1400762231 460346 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᚨᛚᛊᛟ᛬ᚱᚢᚾᛖᛊ᛬ᚨᚱᛖ᛬ᚠᛁᚾᛖ᛬ᛏᛟᛟ < 1400762231 934925 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: They have three distinct grapheme sets though. < 1400762542 148137 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone else found firefox more crashy since 29? < 1400762617 969272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 28 is perfect, 29 has _got_ to be worse. < 1400762632 671754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1400762679 152864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39643&oldid=39641 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+2) 10 < 1400762992 942395 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/3kHXYnYM <- is this primitive recursion? < 1400763118 844469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :psst never use foldl(1) without ' hth < 1400763201 488578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it leaks? < 1400763205 761804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400763325 992481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: eval (Recurse xs) (Recurse xs) ... doesn't terminate afaict, thus it's definitely not primitive. < 1400763365 456807 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400763383 584830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can trivially express programs that don't terminate < 1400763385 407225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Firefox 496 will again be fine, then? < 1400763397 51285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: not with primitive recursion hth < 1400763400 94161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e looping until it becomes zero like the example given in main < 1400763411 683710 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a positive start number and it won't halt < 1400763552 313243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: can you express f 1 = 1; f x | odd x = 3*x + 1 | otherwise = x `div` 2 < 1400763569 663826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1400763589 843469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s pretty non-primitive recursive (since it's unproved that it halts) < 1400763601 697326 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400763604 580931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: obviously < 1400763697 595860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you saying that all nontermination is trivial, that might be < 1400764110 229330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/dWcrt7fK <- jep, that's pretty much collatz < 1400764129 178050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you might rewrite your Add as Value $ foldl1' (\qa b -> case eval b r args of Value qb -> qa + qb; _ -> 0) 0 xs, that's slightly different in the case the _first_ list element does not evaluate to a Value but i doubt you really want that corner case anyhow < 1400764161 360054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1400764168 523968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*foldl' without 1 < 1400764189 204103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different how? < 1400764221 969677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your original ignores the value of the second element if the first does not give a Value < 1400764234 714081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-the value of < 1400764258 977264 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. yeah < 1400764290 20541 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should error instead of Value 0 anyway < 1400764348 251214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are args always Values? < 1400764361 452598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400764367 663789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1400764378 330432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e Add [Mul [Value 3, Get 0], Value 1] < 1400764383 464366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that was the only way i could see your eval not giving a Value < 1400764383 611555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an expression as an argument < 1400764411 737248 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400764414 681539 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean something else < 1400764415 30304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean if it doesn't have to be) < 1400764430 668560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wan't to add some rewrite stuff too later < 1400764436 757640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*want < 1400764438 959823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1400764444 410157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that eval can return expressions too < 1400764464 151333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well since you can express collatz it's definitely not primitive recursion. < 1400764824 449631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you error out it would probably be simpler to separate the folding and the evaluation: Value . foldl1' (+) $ map (\x -> evalToValue x r args) xs < 1400764870 890708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that could leak if you make it monadic later. < 1400764910 601701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldM < 1400764911 785691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> [b] -> m a < 1400765063 171047 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1400765183 431664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can actually call any function you want < 1400765189 952333 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by just making a case statement in your function < 1400765201 123657 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just add a parameter to recurse which defines what it should do < 1400765223 406952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so TC eh < 1400765232 842406 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much suspect so < 1400765328 396687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta define a syntax and write some parsec stuff for it < 1400766967 482468 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if== $0 1 1 (if== 1 (odd $0) (r (add (mul 3 $0) 1)) (r (div $0 2)))) < 1400766975 85600 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400767284 307192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this qualify as an esolang :D? < 1400767568 282504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. it's not immensely radical, mind you... < 1400767624 389334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has never prevented anyone from adding stuff to the wiki. (ok, maybe someone.) < 1400767628 108432 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400768079 287587 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400768321 357776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There are probably already languages like that, yeh < 1400768522 375353 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400768893 129342 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: did you want to enter that warrior in the tournament? There are a few other new players taking part... < 1400768995 492053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a new version < 1400769007 207479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give me the link again? < 1400770011 943334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: memory is set to dat #0,#0 after each run, right? < 1400770226 810495 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It's dat $0, $0 and http://corewar.co.uk/spring2014.htm < 1400770228 211628 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400770958 543237 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Mine uses a distance of 37, and -35 < 1400770970 743363 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it misses small warriors it will most likely loose < 1400772305 224334 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c17b:2f73:d46c:d93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400773117 540517 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400773319 267071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400773360 149987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I somehow find out in which commit a certain directory was deleted and recover it with git? < 1400773404 893689 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c17b:2f73:d46c:d93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not specifically no, you will have to scrape commits manually < 1400773433 827191 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c17b:2f73:d46c:d93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make a program to use the github api to find the last time something was modified < 1400773575 895507 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bullshit < 1400773583 663726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell am I even using a version control system < 1400773594 876481 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know a file in the directory, you can do git log -- directory/file < 1400773601 995907 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's write once revert never < 1400773618 241937 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think git "tracks" just the directories < 1400773636 663317 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it does < 1400773641 7472 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there have to be files in it < 1400773659 118878 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think git log -- directory would work < 1400773685 886754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think checkout a certain commit should do it < 1400773758 781666 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to recover the actual file, you can checkout or show with the commit hash < 1400773765 211699 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1400773768 765356 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version control was invented to remember all the stupid things you did < 1400773815 823156 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to vacuum up your time in the form of "commit messages". < 1400773854 411841 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't let it have its way! Make your next commit message asdfasgafsgasfy. < 1400773903 716026 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400773935 39324 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400774568 553838 :Rikkol!john3213@static-72-66-66-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400774872 138896 :Rikkol!john3213@static-72-66-66-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1400775448 232135 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400777192 888603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1400777248 800778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :git has a pretty effective set of tools for erasing the stupid things you did < 1400777741 939919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you know Linus' tech talk on git (at google), right? < 1400777803 845375 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: because what you just said reminded me a lot of the opening words, where he talks about managing linux as a collection of tarballs and patches ... and then says that that's a superior source code management system compared to CVS :) < 1400777938 188799 :nooodl_!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400778204 185922 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400778420 191802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400778751 370665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any of you people in Austria < 1400779012 81164 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400779175 472882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides < 1400779454 107337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at this "getting stressed by exams" thing < 1400779462 464030 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sat here singing Eurovision songs < 1400779539 861367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because after you get burned in an exam you can always rise again like a phoenix? < 1400779555 496700 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because alcohol is free! < 1400779568 384557 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are the winners! < 1400779568 677241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to sing for that, do you ... < 1400779585 76682 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400779610 877190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't actually too keen on Rise Like A Phoenix, I preferred Moustache < 1400779721 343249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I've gone off Moustache a bit now < 1400780151 167481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, good use of stage, but I'd rather switch off the sound, and they should rethink their color scheme ;-) < 1400780184 615683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- will not become a Moustache fan < 1400780275 233116 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:c17b:2f73:d46c:d93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400780299 210593 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:7c91:ea8f:13fa:4f6f JOIN :#esoteric < 1400780353 956019 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400780486 325223 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1400780558 722894 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400781120 354345 :Cyragia!510bb1d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400782894 481424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No standard for pseudocode syntax exists, as a program in pseudocode is not an executable program. <- I see some work for the ESOSC :P < 1400783010 102436 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely some standards organ must've tried to standardise pseudocode syntax? < 1400783044 292926 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400783119 728362 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML? < 1400783286 511575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you really standardise pseudocode it will no longer be pseudo and becomes just "code" < 1400783423 58942 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1400783625 157246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400783742 629418 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well not necessarily < 1400783748 268693 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though < 1400783753 852278 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write a pseudocode compiler < 1400783976 480255 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:7c91:ea8f:13fa:4f6f QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400784589 56241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400784593 950673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write a pseudocode compiler < 1400784597 28829 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not pseudocode anymore < 1400784614 559538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all programs that compile with your compiler would have to be rewritten < 1400784625 604873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compile and do what they are supposed to do) < 1400784748 417675 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if I write a compiler for that other languag D: < 1400784846 649538 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me that I'd like to make something that works like a natural language translater, but train it to attempt to turn an informal language into something that can be compiled or interpreted. < 1400784958 246754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitch please print Hello, world! < 1400784977 823244 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1400784995 717992 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runnnig Gizoogle on BASIC code does sound like a good idea. < 1400785068 440151 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mechanized IRP? < 1400785125 783014 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gizoogle.net/index.php?search=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBASIC&se=Gizoogle+Dis+Shiznit#Examples < 1400785147 453864 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 PRINT "Yo muthafucka, World!" < 1400785215 984448 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly, the code itself ins't really changed. < 1400785258 483170 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because the keywords themselves are too terse to be picked up as translatable phrases. < 1400785386 552634 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/0xabad1dea/status/469541728828280832/photo/1/large programming < 1400785500 553762 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude < 1400785500 737514 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know who else did that < 1400785500 737595 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUCKING OSMOSIAN < 1400785508 404748 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And their Plain English Compiler < 1400785525 787375 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I not know about gizoogle before? < 1400785554 594364 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOn't think I've read about the Plain English Compiler, but I think that sounds like something not made as a joke. < 1400785613 712176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's an implementation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_(programming_language) < 1400785627 442546 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude : It is terrifyingly not a joke < 1400785636 873239 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, no, it's that silly other thing < 1400785642 93026 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/family-saved-by-threeway-inflatable-goat,4579/ < 1400785643 842967 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1400785645 558546 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong link < 1400785651 402003 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that is the correct link. < 1400785651 567033 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://web.archive.org/web/20140108064338/http://osmosian.com/ < 1400785662 180770 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike : Well close enough < 1400785664 154702 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of just having something that tries to avoid making obviously bad decisions, but doesn't particularly care what your actual intent is. < 1400785666 466274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.osmosian.com/ works too < 1400785677 157839 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The older version had more content though < 1400785682 518645 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400785698 750883 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder why it got cut. < 1400785713 203686 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he wants to sell it, no doubt < 1400785719 989737 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old site had the compiler for free! < 1400785722 49986 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have it < 1400785724 345865 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wish < 1400785799 957135 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't actually work, does it? < 1400785808 522640 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1400785814 221575 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a programming language < 1400785819 627769 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it does compile < 1400785825 704368 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't vouch for how well it works < 1400785853 217944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried compiling their sample draw-anything-you-can-name-in-the-style-of-Claude-Monet program? < 1400785864 362170 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1400785871 847559 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all that program does is < 1400785883 107546 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It googles "Monet" and put up a picture < 1400785902 197554 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the hope that it's not porn, perhaps < 1400785916 526612 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I want porn in the style of Claude Monet? < 1400785934 731663 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Dirty English then < 1400786967 175382 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400787111 30951 :xk002!~001@109.48.208.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400787155 456792 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400787447 163819 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400787633 456301 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400787836 452887 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400788207 657048 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the old version of the site has a page of "What our customers could be saying" (if we had any). < 1400788246 12054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unconscious part of my mind that plays 2048 is learning new move sequences that the conscious mind is unaware of < 1400788249 52999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ego is a joke < 1400788447 337135 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude : It was the best < 1400788464 912554 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus would have said "Had I known about it, I wouldn't have died for mankind!" < 1400788815 961002 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400789068 491269 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400789426 201869 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400789628 341716 :Cyragia!510bb1d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.177.214 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400790150 373526 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400790222 748841 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gizoogle.net/index.php?search=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3schools.com%2Fjs%2Fjs_intro.asp&se=Gizoogle+Dis+Shiznit < 1400790225 839476 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ECMA-262 is tha straight-up legit name. ECMAScript 5 (version 1.8.5 - July 2010) is tha sickest fuckin standard. " < 1400790290 613599 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still wondering what IRP is. < 1400790300 137073 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400790315 475702 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: #irp < 1400790361 395207 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1400790667 104902 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a page on the wiki < 1400790977 410711 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400791214 571683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :irp dirp < 1400791802 78459 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1400791883 519708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many times has it been the end of ipv4 now? < 1400791915 781864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We’ve been talking for many years about IPv4 addresses running out. Now it’s happening. [...] Yes, there are enough IPv4 addresses in the overall system right now that we’re not running out of addresses TODAY … but we are basically OUT at the top-level." come on, I heard the exact same thing years ago! hurry up already < 1400792279 612245 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :climate change is still going to kill us all too. just have some patience < 1400792577 689267 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400793037 385975 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want ISPs here to provide IPv6 ): < 1400793167 236349 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400793191 236229 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I wonder how much data you could squeeze into a huge 2d barcode < 1400793290 704405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends < 1400793298 246642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be error resistant < 1400793320 745318 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something you could successfully scan with a cheap CCD (cell phone cam) < 1400793334 631377 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ronja.twibright.com/optar/ This works for black-and-white < 1400793335 984253 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do QR codes < 1400793343 964476 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400793344 112127 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400793356 833320 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :given optimal camera position and a barcode printed with a good process (possibly in color even) < 1400793357 563414 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :optar probably requires a scanner for any large amount of data though < 1400793376 316317 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Optar fits 200kB on an A4 page" < 1400793552 240464 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1400793565 744134 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably fit more if you're smarter < 1400793614 758501 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it probably has to be resilient to being photographied at unfavorable angles < 1400793623 406007 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like having some perspective in the shot < 1400793634 368596 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably want some error correction, too. < 1400793646 105004 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it will need heavy error correction < 1400793666 94393 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it can probably be in color < 1400793708 455552 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes things dependent on the ambient lighting, in addition to positioning. < 1400793724 385737 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1400793744 915164 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ambient lighting effects will probably have a low frequency < 1400793779 484301 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie will be roughly the same for a whole block of, say, 32x32 pixels < 1400793796 50138 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimistic. < 1400793847 851020 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the camera can probably have a flash < 1400793896 913647 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that if most of the light contribution comes from the flash it should have roughly consistent color temperature < 1400793928 106565 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh you'd have to compensate for stuff like ink gamut (damn you cmyk) < 1400793973 208923 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use color as a secondary data channel < 1400793981 907143 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for synchronization and error correction < 1400793998 994847 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400794047 170194 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the real data in the green channel, use red and blue as synchronization and error correction data < 1400794075 208347 :xk002!~001@109.49.20.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400794105 57622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :200kb on an A4 Paper < 1400794117 885889 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds enough < 1400794126 204156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bits is that per cm^2? < 1400794150 305479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 21.0 * 29.7 < 1400794152 60152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 623.6999999999999 < 1400794164 965691 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400794169 631937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (21.0 * 29.7) / (200*1024*8) < 1400794171 373378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.8067626953124995e-4 < 1400794178 654562 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 25x25 per cm² < 1400794209 357059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((21.0 * 29.7) / (200*1024*8))**(-1) < 1400794210 938528 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds realistic < 1400794211 86064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2626.903960237294 < 1400794215 118278 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25*25 < 1400794216 714196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 625 < 1400794240 568902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1400794242 708260 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at math < 1400794250 6118 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could probably use very high dpi commercial printing < 1400794252 469987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bits / cm^2 looks good < 1400794263 811890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2626 Bits per cm^2 < 1400794272 815034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good I think < 1400794287 98567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 21.0 * 29.7 * 2^4 < 1400794288 843543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9979.199999999999 < 1400794298 614335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printers don't print in RGB though... < 1400794309 866775 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true but you can correct for that < 1400794328 421907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree w/ Bike < 1400794350 913577 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1400794368 375084 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400794384 924034 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((21.0 * 29.7) / (100*1024*8))**(-1) < 1400794387 60324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1313.451980118647 < 1400794389 149968 :nooodl_!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400794394 455421 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use local maxima as white, local minima as black, then find a local 100% cyan pixel, use that as cyan maxima, repeat for yellow, magenta, red, green and blue < 1400794422 464752 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :build some kind of matrix to reverse the effect of the color shift < 1400794522 197986 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could stay b&w and increase dpi instead, but then you need more printing dpi and a better camera < 1400794587 323550 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the issue that the user might incorrectly orient the camera and miss a part of the barcode < 1400794589 684846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :25.6 bits per square mm; 0.2mmx0.2mm pixels (since apparently they don't include error correction in their numbers) < 1400794653 212715 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense, it's printed at 200dpi (0.127mm) < 1400794707 383203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of color 2D barcode standards. < 1400794744 5730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the Microsoft Tag. < 1400794764 857443 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they're designed to fit in an url < 1400794769 199270 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(low bandwidth) < 1400794783 25049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read more carefully. "That corresponds to 200kB per page when taking overhead into account." < 1400794917 369711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HCCB's goal for the colors is to improve density compared to black-and-white, though. < 1400794934 429905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently laboratory tests have yielded using eight colors, 2,000 binary bytes, or 3,500 alphabetical characters per square inch in its highest density form using a 600dpi business card scanner." < 1400794994 456328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 bytes per square inch is... 2480 bits per square centimetre, I guess. < 1400795058 793147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8/2.54^2 < 1400795060 296087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.24000248000496 < 1400795064 776551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1400795215 611851 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering a sheet of paper has something like 80~ usable square inches if you count margins (8½ x 11) that's something like 160kb for the whole page < 1400795293 267666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [8.5*2.54*11*2.54, 21*29.7] < 1400795295 122182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [603.2246,623.6999999999999] < 1400795299 288751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our papers are bigger. < 1400795327 698784 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's what "printed copy" means < 1400795456 127786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400795530 479658 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also kinda wonder how heavy to decode these things are < 1400795534 696859 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400795910 203941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400796177 560386 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess if your cpu runs at at least a couple hundred mhz (arm SOC etc) it should be acceptable < 1400796349 647685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this one is good. "Reducing the space necessary to keep accounting records that are mandatory to be kept on paper" < 1400796432 963060 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1400796471 637428 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it make sense to print at very high dpi in color, and then apply a very aggressive error correction algo so that even if over half of the data or more is lost, you still get the correct output?< < 1400796556 678173 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print it as a hologram on a sheet of acrylic. < 1400796609 928612 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't scan that with a CCD camera :D < 1400796632 731479 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in a single pass. < 1400796644 178937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1400796700 803184 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scanning program could ask you to look at it form different angles until the file is read, though. < 1400796733 368665 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be more practical than just putting a QR code as an URL and getting the data off of wireless internet < 1400796754 351239 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would be easier to just print multiple pages of data < 1400796848 911724 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether the QR-style synchronization pattern (concentric squares) is superior to the checkerboard pattern or not ... < 1400796871 551226 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get a high DPI printer and print it normally several times over. < 1400796878 451759 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But tiny. < 1400796878 706087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm afraid that the answer will depend on the printer) < 1400796907 622777 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then when you scan it, take the bitmaps of the different versions and do a majority vote per pixel. < 1400797015 77000 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus overhead for getting it lined up. < 1400797026 37358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, that is the correct link. <-- absolutely < 1400797029 704842 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another issue is, what if the picture is taken too far away, then the data will be too small and won't scan okay < 1400797067 373684 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give you user a telescoping camera lens. < 1400797070 460071 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the user < 1400797115 949929 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like you'd expect to be reading office document from far away to begin with. < 1400797120 605420 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*documents < 1400797218 552504 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it can't be further away than about a meter < 1400797289 381130 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can probably be like 10cm away < 1400797318 398977 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a 2x range at least < 1400797692 207914 :Bike!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400797782 327241 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be easier to use some kind of frequency domain encoding? < 1400797846 995013 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's going to be somewhat smudged once snapped by the camera < 1400798154 352712 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400798158 72737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400798340 846484 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could overlay the data 4 times (in a 2x2 grid) at high DPI, and then once at lower DPI < 1400798369 968390 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if the shot is too close and part of the data is missing, you can still recover it < 1400798392 469844 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's too far, then you have the whole frame and you can use the low DPI data < 1400798680 837248 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400799199 294997 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400799510 120930 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400799746 237122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [2..0] < 1400799748 625201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1400800843 956285 :douglass1!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400801392 208891 :xk002!~001@109.49.20.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400802443 176308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/huonw/be05427dc80e44f1a594 a Rust compiler plugin to randomize the order of struct fields, for exploit hardening < 1400802833 828614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is still on my steam wishlist, waiting to be discounted < 1400803153 961741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/12723 < 1400803174 392604 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1400803262 453544 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400803451 176019 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400803458 381243 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400803633 205896 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got confused and thought 'grenade stack' was the name of the exploit random fields harden < 1400803642 653218 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :against < 1400803705 87423 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's #![experimental] do? < 1400803781 757006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using it will cause a warning unless you have #[allow(experimental)] at the use site < 1400803802 546328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#[foo] is an attribute that applies to the next item (function definition, module, struct definition, etc.) < 1400803811 522065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#![foo] is an attribute that applies to the item which contains the attribute < 1400803830 11216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: love that snarky reply < 1400803835 821505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :often a whole file (which is a module) < 1400804141 140465 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400804360 812192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately you can't put #[allow(experimental)] on an arbitrary block of code, just an item < 1400804385 794077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :resulting in this nonsense: https://github.com/kmcallister/html5/blob/master/macros/atom/mod.rs#L64-L72 < 1400804545 332546 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks. < 1400804700 118458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400804705 410846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll fix it!! < 1400804802 944131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1400805710 71149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can do [2,1..0], if you didn't know < 1400805765 804537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,3,3..7] < 1400805767 179790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:7: parse error on input ‘..’ < 1400806108 984621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no i was just testing a corner case in some SO code < 1400806161 274186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or was it reddit < 1400806507 354609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400807250 950881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. I have a function that does assert!(self.foo.is_none()) and another which sets self.foo = Some(x), but the latter function is never called, so rustc warns me that the assert is dead code < 1400807254 972202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am impressed < 1400807544 884877 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me wonder if you should be able to tell the compiler it's okay if certain forms, like an assert, are dead/can be removed < 1400807593 315325 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400807636 271292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can < 1400807645 279833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making the assert!() macro expand into something with #[allow(dead_code)] < 1400807755 659829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm, I thought the function containing the assert wasn't dead but it actually was < 1400807758 662881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I am less impressed < 1400807780 400985 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1400807933 418455 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400808031 201708 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400808444 799882 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the HTML5 parsing algorithm interesting in any way other than being thoroughly specified? < 1400808450 951071 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if I should attempt to read it < 1400808535 986447 :xk002!~001@109.49.20.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400808639 744304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's astoundingly complicated < 1400808670 934547 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing can be explained < 1400808672 309636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in a particularly interesting way < 1400808681 894045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly a record of historical mistakes < 1400808688 515356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most descriptivist technical standard I've ever seen < 1400808697 279933 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FLABBERGASTING CHICKEN < 1400808698 111098 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of that, help me understand poincare compactification. imo better than html < 1400808698 789374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, the entirety of the WHATWG webapps spec) < 1400808715 818185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding writing a HTML parser to be interesting, though, but more because there are interesting implementation challenges < 1400808724 854097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of excuses to use macros < 1400808730 532565 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's interesting as a record of historical mistakes. Does it explain the mistakes and where they're found and how they came about? < 1400808733 284440 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see that < 1400808735 115359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very well < 1400808750 381833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why is my build bot failing... oh, because I'm using language features that aren't merged upstream yet" < 1400808847 387360 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm continually amused by how ahistorical the sciences are < 1400808860 963460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros are the reason my tokenizer is 900 lines instead of 6,000 like the others < 1400808871 557181 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i saw a wikipedia article that said one algorithm could be considered as an improvement of another, with the minor caveat that the improved algorithm was invented first < 1400808903 805265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400809002 864444 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: missing abstractions in the language, or is it hard to imagine a language that would provide those macros natively? < 1400809038 564749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just concision < 1400809048 119357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in Haskell it might be a monad DSL rather than a macro DSL < 1400809243 729153 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When authors use the canvas element, they must also provide content that, when presented to the user, conveys essentially the same function or purpose as the bitmap canvas." < 1400809259 697616 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems easy enough for arbitrary HTML5 games < 1400809293 233720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1400809435 232388 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the canvas has no pixels (i.e. either its horizontal dimension or its vertical dimension is zero) then the method must return the string "data:,". (This is the shortest data: URL; it represents the empty string in a text/plain resource.) < 1400809436 311781 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1400809462 634765 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would you want to do that instead of a 0 size png resource? < 1400809545 136618 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the canvas is resizeable < 1400809576 396249 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant why give a text/plain for an image just because it's weird < 1400809605 5115 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you have a drawing application that's resizeable, and it has an export-as-dataurl function, say. < 1400809629 675343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: feast your eyes on this nonsense http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/scripting-1.html#already-started < 1400809647 173951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, drop the anchor from that url < 1400809723 527920 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"where possible", I'm fine with that. Although I guess that's distinct from "where feasible", so maybe not. < 1400809831 218521 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400809989 116417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the stack of script settings objects is empty, perform a microtask checkpoint." what is this i don't even < 1400810019 160549 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :workers? < 1400810020 930374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like deciding to standardize Perl by translating the interpreter from C to English < 1400810316 432698 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1400810552 475870 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1400810802 50925 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_File_API < 1400810813 412016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does this link to the Geolocation API? < 1400811180 136111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad if the majority of my parsing logic is in match-arm guards (containing more matches) of 50+ lines < 1400811805 749399 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, I can make images based off of canvas elements with just a bit more difficulty than downloading an img < 1400811833 677167 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is .toDataURL() on the canvas element and not the context? < 1400811925 536666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like so https://github.com/kmcallister/html5/blob/master/src/tree_builder/mod.rs#L352-L422 < 1400811931 260191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me Sgeo < 1400811952 419779 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Canvas API is so... imperative < 1400812175 96814 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://diveintohtml5.info/semantics.html < 1400812343 625935 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400812344 886690 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dive into < 1400812349 519417 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400812487 531885 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1400813115 299375 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That this step happens before the next one honoring the HTTP Content-Type header is a willful violation of the HTTP specification, motivated by a desire to be maximally compatible with legacy content." < 1400813134 618275 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.... is the HTTP spec ... incorrect, then? Or ...? < 1400813150 829754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When two specs fight, what should someone trying to be maximally conformant do? < 1400813170 79914 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan loudly < 1400813257 444146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip a coin < 1400813282 536328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ryeall, do whichever one makes fewer users angry < 1400813284 718979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really* < 1400813301 720712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two chickens in my backyard < 1400813311 350421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had a staring contest with a cat < 1400813985 152961 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400815869 957168 :xk002!~001@109.49.20.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400816329 451700 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1400817101 432042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you read new Freefall? < 1400817117 593085 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1400817307 498507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just about to < 1400817357 96058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1400817689 443729 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1400817830 157321 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400817919 782182 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo : of course the canvas api is imperative... has to be usable by less experimented coders < 1400818115 933873 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400818669 583081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Good thing to keep in mind with .toDataURL is that it has size limits in some browsers. < 1400818724 337067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, data: URIs do. < 1400818727 341501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45395 < 1400818820 160875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, MDN has Chrome-specific information < 1400818822 90699 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chrome supports the image/webp type." < 1400818867 574587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1.5 megs -- two + base64 overhead -- is not very much for a .png file.) < 1400818882 266786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web: where even moving an image from an image renderer to an image viewer involves a wacky, text-based format with implementation-specific limitations < 1400818990 84683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I worked around it by parsing the data: URI manually into a blob, and then producing a URL for that. < 1400819067 984101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome does "new Blob(...)" and URL.createObjectURL just fine, but not the toBlob method on the canvas. < 1400819084 223039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did when I was writing this, anyway. < 1400819299 43380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400819867 557573 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400819924 751846 :diginet_!~diginet@li427-52.members.linode.com NICK :diginet\ < 1400819928 398896 :diginet\!~diginet@li427-52.members.linode.com NICK :diginet < 1400820168 141189 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400820327 777733 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400820338 753518 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay Firefox OS, the most open mobile OS ever, with neat features such as APIs that can only be used by apps preinstalled by the OEM < 1400820626 915931 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as god intended < 1400820855 389876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is interesting how Firefox OS app SOP is normal SOP * app < 1400820861 398058 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc < 1400821210 404117 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your words, sgeo < 1400821251 506211 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is interested how Firefox OS Single-origin Policy is effectively a pair of the normal website origin and the app itself < 1400822553 313638 :Animatronicity!4672a3ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.114.163.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400822616 19580 :Animatronicity!4672a3ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.114.163.171 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400823093 162 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400823116 489060 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400823294 519349 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :258EAFA5-E914-47DA-95CA-C5AB0DC85B11 < 1400823735 301325 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, arbitrary Blobs can be sent using WebSocket < 1400823785 487044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are more obvious ways to send that data < 1400823825 700509 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400823952 871870 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bicyclidine < 1400824096 471461 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Throughout the web platform "activate" is intentionally misnamed as "click"." < 1400824103 112795 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"User agents are strongly encouraged to make window.focus() work from within the event listener for the event named click as a means of focusing the browsing context related to the notification." < 1400825018 345466 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400825107 238040 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400825449 413106 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400825670 735458 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1400826192 795980 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400826215 771784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "semi-honest". < 1400826341 921761 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400826368 437443 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400826579 709010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jgiW also rather funny footer for a spam email. < 1400826652 194547 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6500000000 million < 1400826710 193952 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1400826778 139757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of money. < 1400826866 460324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact, the SpamAssassin rule "LOTS_OF_MONEY" also triggered on it.) < 1400826948 338548 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Trying to help friend NOT get caught by spamassassin" < 1400827042 800736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i got spam that claimed to be from "LTG Keith B. Alexander, USA. Commander, U.S. Cyber Command, Director, National Security Agency, Chief, Central Security Service" < 1400827053 382862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying that i had won some large amount of money < 1400827155 547956 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to see an email that triggers every SpamAssassin rule highly < 1400827156 370832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've gotten email from Keith too. < 1400827199 203847 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Pretty good for most folks, except for jm: I have a really stupid < 1400827199 389474 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# e-commerce bunch obfuscating their URLs with this for some reason. screw 'em < 1400827207 86314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should archive spam, too. < 1400827228 896077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did collect a few thousand messages once for some reason or another. < 1400827235 457804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you like to sound like a spammer? < 1400827236 620177 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this way :) escaping/ conclusion, from a fnord projection, which at no great distance from/ town to/ port is eighteen leagues, and that its variation was a subsequent, often a desire to see/ lion in his desert,/ tiger tearing his prey in/ jungle, or/ beginning :) hooker's letter to you, so much/ more striking, as from/ sketches above given it is obvious that a variation occurred sufficiently marked to catch/ fancier's e < 1400827246 270608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1400827246 779346 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1400827249 784045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough with the smileys. < 1400827425 660869 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find LOTS_OF_MONEY, where is it? < 1400827526 312071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it's the iki.fi SA. < 1400827533 16800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might have customized. < 1400827550 864923 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw something suggesting it was removed < 1400827626 449679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google does find some references. < 1400827646 213154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least one config file with a definition, too. < 1400827811 958106 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk/rules/20_phrases.cf this talks about money but not LOTS_OF_MONEY < 1400827813 122324 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1400827941 309492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk/rules/73_sandbox_manual_scores.cf < 1400827959 676570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gives a score for LOTS_OF_MONEY; does not define it. < 1400828051 63962 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6504 < 1400828053 765506 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a 0 score < 1400828189 46045 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1400828194 414549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ruleqa.spamassassin.org/20140421-r1588859-n/LOTS_OF_MONEY/detail has statistics for it. < 1400828242 837175 :password2!~password@197.77.59.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400828335 720208 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detailed results for rule LOTS_OF_MONEY, from source file HASH(0xac14038). Source file was last modified on 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC. < 1400828364 125982 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geez, needed a spam filter even back then? < 1400828520 399161 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400828563 846969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: rust doesn't support parameterizing on non-*-kinded things at all, right? < 1400828574 26281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just in traits but anywhere < 1400828614 158562 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400828614 370808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASH(0xac14038), the best source file. < 1400828642 717589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: believe so < 1400828687 325199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a scow :'( < 1400828940 568634 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400829300 807856 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400829575 45769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust kind of has the GHC thing where you have to turn on a bunch of language extensions to get anything done < 1400829598 862193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using debug!() and friends now requires #![feature(phase)] #[phase(syntax, link)] extern crate log; < 1400829695 701416 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400829709 192851 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which is a PITA < 1400829761 3205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1400829782 354827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know if that will be fixed for 1.0? < 1400829800 166653 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1400829811 465711 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400829815 177925 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in my opinion that has to be handled automatically < 1400829937 514157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do it? < 1400830070 17229 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: parse the code, read metadata for each `extern crate` item present, load the syntax extensions (#[macro_export] or #[macro_registrar]) if the crate is marked to provide such things, then expand macros. < 1400830117 390668 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a disadvantage on the error reporting though < 1400830161 890360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1400830235 243846 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, loadable syntax extensions with #[macro_registrar] should be compiled as dylib, but there would be no error message when the user failed or forgot to compile that dylib < 1400830255 138528 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the user will be met with a useless error message that a certain syntax extension is not available < 1400830268 556310 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/useless/less-than-optimal/ < 1400830316 970883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rustc should warn if you build a crate with a #[macro_registrar] as anything other than a dylib < 1400830358 365683 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it can be built as rlib, but yeah, it is not a good choice to do so < 1400830387 232265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use the syntax extensions if it's an rlib, right? < 1400830437 108822 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it *can* be usable when #[phase(syntax,link)] is in use < 1400830463 227694 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it will also push a libsyntax dependency to the compiled binary, which is why it is discouraged) < 1400830509 656970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need to support an rlib build you could do something like #[cfg(dylib)] #[macro_registrar] ... < 1400830517 750720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if that's a real cfg option but it could exist, anyway) < 1400830521 528896 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds doable :) < 1400830543 309448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think it is useful to build libraries that some consumers will load at link phase and others not < 1400830560 530765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably it should only infer from metadata if no #[phase(...)] attribute is present < 1400830610 433904 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so that the ordinary #[macro_export] wouldn't need #[phase] but #[macro_registrar] would? < 1400830630 319567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hadn't considered that < 1400830642 218475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking you could do #[phase(link)] extern crate foo; < 1400830648 467877 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400830678 107228 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #![feature(phase)] :p < 1400830695 769061 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway < 1400830700 456336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I meant "some consumers will load at syntax phase and others not" < 1400830706 165831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you might want both < 1400830713 587484 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah? < 1400830744 263493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have considered (but haven't implemented) macros where the registrar does some non-trivial initialization < 1400830752 853244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might be expensive or depend on external resources that are not always present < 1400830797 547547 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: something like, well, sfackler's phf/phf_mac crates? < 1400830818 181665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean that you can avoid this by splitting the macros into their own crate? < 1400830823 198000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true, but it might be undesirable for other reasons < 1400830829 850830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure really < 1400830852 858318 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think, under your suggestion to use #[cfg(dylib)], they can be merged < 1400830881 989370 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1400830891 728366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also good not to have the macros bloating the library at runtime, but that shouldn't matter much with demand paging < 1400831000 391257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you want to use those same macros in implementing the runtime part of the library, you will need two crates < 1400831058 257022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine having a crate for the runtime part of the library, a crate for private macros to be used in implementing the library, and another crate for macros intended for use by library consumers < 1400831067 460818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :demand paging only really helps if you have at least 4kB of garbage and it gets put together in the same page < 1400831069 342312 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dead code stripping should get rid of it? < 1400831092 303175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no way to control the scope of macros with granularity finer than a crate < 1400831120 324906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: only link-time dead code stripping < 1400831131 621804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't too hard for static linking < 1400831226 279470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't be done for dynamic linking afaik < 1400831279 994612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also build the same crate multiple times with different cfg options for each of those roles < 1400831284 38074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem like a good idea, though < 1400831510 776588 :password2!~password@197.77.59.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400832352 779788 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400832629 796927 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400833460 971727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a common C idiom? unsigned int i; for (i = 14; ~i; i--) < 1400833466 409170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to count down from 14 to 0 inclusive < 1400833668 322085 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400833687 434159 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks legit < 1400833696 493876 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i haven't seen that anywhere < 1400833715 618483 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~i? < 1400833730 974540 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bitwise not) i < 1400833733 916230 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1400833749 132229 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ~ faster than !? < 1400833750 359573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen that anywhere either. < 1400833761 239077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the same as !. < 1400833766 425346 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses the fact that bitise inverse is negative of number minus 1 < 1400833780 692086 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ~0 = -1 < 1400833790 539589 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is unsigned < 1400833820 77897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~0 is kind of unrelated. < 1400833850 253567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it's related the other way around, from ~-1 == 0. < 1400833854 750438 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(4294967295) == 0 < 1400833866 433366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ~-1 defined by the spec? < 1400833873 182135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or ~UINT_MAX for that.) < 1400833884 414246 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it also works with (signed int) < 1400833884 748908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was just a simplification. < 1400833886 309496 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1400833887 325616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like you couldn't define it without assuming a particular sign representation < 1400833895 708154 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~0 = -1 (which is 'true') < 1400833902 429369 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~(-1) = 0 (which is 'false') < 1400833911 354327 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't 0-- undefined behaviour for unsigned ints? < 1400833920 101906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only for signed < 1400833930 251299 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaat < 1400833935 824586 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-- for signed is just -1 < 1400833948 902951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned ints are defined to wrap around, which is how you know the number before 0 is ~0 < 1400833965 355314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whether or not it has the same representation as the signed integer -1 is not defined, though) < 1400833989 856138 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed integer '-1' not defined? how does that make sense < 1400834007 915528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that was in re INT_MIN minus one. < 1400834008 303836 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no wrap around involved < 1400834013 5414 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no INT_MIN < 1400834015 95984 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the signed case < 1400834019 695273 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :involved < 1400834031 799679 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it counts down from 14 to 0, ~i counts up from -15 to -1 < 1400834036 848066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: whether ((unsigned int) ~0) and ((signed int) -1) are the same bytes in memory is undefined < 1400834038 774617 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no wrap around < 1400834044 671983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't think it was any longer in that context. < 1400834047 455940 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the question < 1400834089 646151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1400834090 130667 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming twos complement, ~i = (-i)-1 < 1400834091 671299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the signed int version clearly isn't guaranteed to work, since integer representation isn't fixed. < 1400834108 215697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I used that idiom I would worry that someone (including me) would copy it and use it for a signed integer < 1400834120 600197 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you _can_ use it for a signed int < 1400834152 222895 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try yourself < 1400834152 642458 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://morpheus.spectralhead.com/s/cnt.c.txt < 1400834171 781425 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the same as the unsigned one < 1400834173 299169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you don't mind it working differently depending on the signed integer representation. < 1400834176 371754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try it on a machine which is not 2's complement < 1400834181 964480 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, and it would not work there < 1400834186 632248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so it's not a C idiom < 1400834194 686707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's undefined behavior which happens to work in certain C compilers < 1400834199 353891 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're spekaing about the (signed) case < 1400834205 663983 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original code used (unsigned int) < 1400834215 649888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compilers can and do optimize under the assumption that signed integer overflow/underflow does not happen < 1400834233 69836 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no overflow/underflow involved, as i understand < 1400834238 262598 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a binary negation < 1400834302 35962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I rewrite the loop as for (i = 14; i != 0xFFFFFFFF; i--) is it more clear why there is underflow occurring? < 1400834325 312036 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i see what you mean < 1400834333 382996 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the underflow occurs only in the unsigned case < 1400834335 656683 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the signed case < 1400834339 590529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...true < 1400834359 64962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm wondering if ~-1 is also UB < 1400834368 64686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not underflow, technically. < 1400834427 73344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only get underflow with floats. < 1400834437 981504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not overflow either, if you go by the C standard definitions of those terms. < 1400834462 721951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-1 isn't overflow? < 1400834489 853291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, though only as a matter of definition. < 1400834498 930825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is weird -_- < 1400834500 801483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A computation involving unsigned integers can never overflow, because a result that cannot be represented is reduced modulo [etc.]" < 1400834509 325874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, okay < 1400834528 189196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 6.2.5p9) < 1400834619 497861 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the standard say about ((unsigned int)0)-1 ? < 1400834684 900669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I just quoted, after converting the 1 to unsigned int too. < 1400834821 523220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for ~ on signed integers, I don't think it's necessarily undefined (it's defined in terms of what happens to the bits, not in terms of the value), though with the two other signed-integer representations it might result in a trap representation if applied to 0. < 1400834851 634314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C spec gives only three options for signed integers? < 1400834865 716007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays, yes. < 1400834871 213452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "nowadays" means C99. < 1400834876 327119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1400834879 935954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall, it was more open in C89. < 1400834896 166643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but signed overflow is still UB (and not implementation-defined to be one of those three) because it was UB in C89? < 1400834922 697542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know about "because", but it's explicitly UB. < 1400834961 983876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the options are 2's complement, 1's complement, and sign bit? < 1400834973 100771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unsurprisingly. < 1400835007 119946 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :still UB? :( < 1400835032 945705 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C defines lots of things as UB < 1400835051 421794 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night I saw a poster promoting Asexual Awareness Week < 1400835053 333460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling the signed overflow is UB to cater for (real or hypothetical) machines where signed-integer arithmetic traps on overflow rather than doing something else. < 1400835057 831392 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asexual Awareness Week was in October < 1400835081 176841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, interesting < 1400835102 791041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: poster-posting is a tragedy of the commons < 1400835106 703647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's the same week every year? < 1400835143 307091 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just had some variant of "Be aware of asexuals! It's asexual awareness week" < 1400835150 132762 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without any reference to the date < 1400835155 683317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I spotted it in the actual week < 1400835218 152813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's written exactly like that, I'd get the feeling that it's trying to warn people about a danger. < 1400835231 142735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it's written substantially friendlier < 1400835289 571606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of our "miscellaneous stuff" boards was advertising a proofreading service with the slogan "the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit". < 1400835321 696921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1400835357 356423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://psedit.me/ these jokers < 1400835463 980473 :xk002!~001@109.49.22.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400835537 110063 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400835537 257564 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400835767 942789 :xk002!~001@109.49.22.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400835817 469682 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400836115 16010 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should i care if someone is asexual? < 1400836135 318192 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, why would it need to have an 'awareness week' for that? < 1400836179 720452 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you want to fuck them? < 1400836298 540667 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy, I think it's more being aware that such people exist < 1400836303 748099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than any specific examples < 1400836313 609952 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, they exist. so? < 1400836324 71789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appreciate it. < 1400836329 195103 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond that, nothing. < 1400836344 394837 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be 'gay unicorn awaress week' < 1400836348 597363 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to appreciate it < 1400836353 327984 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not aware of gay unicorns < 1400836360 882682 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? that's the whole point! < 1400836362 119612 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you are < 1400836382 168398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas I know a number of asexuals, including myself < 1400836382 793599 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are trying to shoot down bigfoot month for the same reason < 1400836416 967335 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that means you look like a ken doll down there, right < 1400836446 923661 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I am entirely plastic from the knees down. < 1400836478 448263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to give a serious answer to scoofy's question, but I kind of would rather stab myself in the balls with broken glass than start a discussion on the subject of identity politics at 2 AM when I should already be asleep < 1400836492 178003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe tomorrow < 1400836496 83149 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, then you'd become asexual, i guess... < 1400836500 301875 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards < 1400836504 258826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily < 1400836512 225259 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how successful you are with the stabbing < 1400836517 970471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :badness 10,000 < 1400836521 92154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway good night all :) < 1400836523 518789 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite < 1400836525 436927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> zzzzzzz < 1400836584 925713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like an overfull hbox there. < 1400836619 236193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's underfull that has a badness. < 1400837898 36563 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400838321 132762 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does TeX have a badness overflow error? < 1400838586 463944 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400838821 484838 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400840272 947690 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400840321 299430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's clamped to [0, 10000], but I don't know it is actually computed. < 1400840567 762874 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-farkvoqgxuvyjtyl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400841226 282554 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-muahowxfakrubpda JOIN :#esoteric < 1400843139 567350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400843220 671021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. "TeX assigns a numerical value called 'badness' to each line that it sets, in order to assess the quality of spacing. The exact rules for badness are different for different fonts, and they will be discussed in Chapter 14 [...]" < 1400843362 715860 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400843612 830127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, it depends on how much of the "flexible space" in a line is used. If the allowed length is foo + bar - baz, and the actual length is foo + f*bar (or foo - f*baz) with f>=0, then the "badness" is 100 * f^3, clamped to 10000. < 1400843631 756442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it gets messy :) < 1400844199 233067 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400845233 865578 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400845238 989401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: Have you tried implementing the Goodstein function with recursion (in blc)? < 1400845426 644476 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400845712 962205 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400847650 688202 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400847994 181187 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400847994 575250 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400848004 67006 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1400848019 236278 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400851016 944782 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400851547 542388 :jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400852270 697983 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400853745 427353 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1400854305 57833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dogescript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39644&oldid=39244 5* 03164.41.209.81 5* (+86) 10 < 1400854652 460664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400855014 398408 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400855222 953941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400855271 556257 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400855427 864648 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400855484 985213 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400855753 376354 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400855775 4297 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400855842 216114 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400856106 18202 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400856671 108416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400856688 519096 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400856772 579407 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400856820 852984 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400857142 644764 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400857769 422820 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was recently thinking about an esolang where the concept of storage is somewhat based on time < 1400857793 514209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no storage except old states of the program < 1400857794 337364 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had that idea once < 1400857800 55964 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it was < 1400857805 393895 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of memory cells < 1400857806 935979 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clocks < 1400857814 562140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. for a brainfuck derivative that would mean, that you have one cell < 1400857823 289266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everytime you change the cell it's previous state is recorded < 1400857823 437025 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the instructions were either waiting or store the current time < 1400857827 536757 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can imagine < 1400857827 756659 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can access past states < 1400857832 268443 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not very practical < 1400857895 472117 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. (where r reads a past state and <,> travel around the time) ++< Not (Not b)) -> (Not b -> Not a) < 1400859042 543571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c = void (a (\ d -> d c) b) < 1400859116 154465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Not (Not (Not a)) -> Not a < 1400859116 658883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b = void (a (\ c -> c b)) < 1400859137 46785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. similar < 1400859144 794983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course equivalent) < 1400859174 995206 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (((a -> r) -> r) -> ((b -> r) -> r)) -> (b -> r) -> a -> r < 1400859175 452715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c = a (\ d -> d c) b < 1400859220 244074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so the void is not actually needed < 1400859263 264050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (((a -> r) -> r) -> r) -> a -> r < 1400859263 609945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b = a (\ c -> c b) < 1400859272 66777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-env < 1400859272 493482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data () = () < 1400859272 640728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Either a b = Left a | Right b < 1400859272 640810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Maybe a = Nothing | Just a < 1400859272 640848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = False | True < 1400859272 640884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Void < 1400859274 466710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Not x = x -> Void < 1400859276 439421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monad m where return :: a -> m a; (>>=) :: m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1400859278 502257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Eq a where (==) :: a -> a -> Bool < 1400859291 323535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to know that void :: Void -> Void == id < 1400859296 501414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400859351 801511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (((a -> a' -> r) -> r) -> ((b -> b' -> r) -> r)) -> (b -> b' -> r) -> a -> a' -> r < 1400859352 188096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c d = a (\ e -> e c d) b < 1400859388 643141 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A clock language could be alright, if the clock is fast enough. < 1400859399 51081 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1400859497 967422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Not (Not (a,a')) -> Not (Not (b,b')) -> Not (b,b') -> Not (a,a') < 1400859498 393299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c _ = void (a (\ _ -> void (b (\ (d, e) -> c (d, e))))) < 1400859518 618648 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400859542 125029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that looks pretty redundant < 1400859602 794917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Not (a, Not a) < 1400859603 292615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f (a, b) = b a < 1400860098 751733 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there already a language where the only control flow is looping from the end of the program back to the start if it hasn't been closed? < 1400860207 218159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :several, i think < 1400860294 406955 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400860386 628225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1400861395 264840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((i -> a) -> (i -> b)) -> b -> a < 1400861395 944743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized. < 1400861455 750713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I'm assuming recursion doesn't count? < 1400861467 527105 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, especially string replacement languages work like that I think < 1400861493 221631 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only counts if it only happens once, at the end. < 1400861512 61746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can only execute the same code twice at most? < 1400861524 744541 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no. < 1400861530 620603 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if the command only appears once. < 1400861537 431552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400861537 950914 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1400861552 316013 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so restricted tail recursion is ok < 1400861635 22125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki//// <- maybe < 1400861752 731043 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, so I think none of them are quite what I was thinking. < 1400861769 722656 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have state you can do stuff like < 1400861786 220683 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF state == 0 THEN doThat; ELSEIF state == 1 THEN doThat ELSE STARTFROMBEGINNING < 1400861817 336772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can set what to do next etc. < 1400861930 907908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's essentially the trick I'm using for my thingy here which allows only one function and recursion < 1400861953 689718 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's neat too, though a different idea, in that IF is a kind of flow control. < 1400861980 411107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1400862038 708469 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I misunderstand or will start from beginning only run in case state is a var that does not cause any computation? < 1400862073 89868 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, resulting in either one-cycle programs or those that loop infinetely and do nothing < 1400862098 91431 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :State might not be a boolean, in which case it'll go to the start if it's more than 1. < 1400862113 478940 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400862133 802704 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run through the same if-thingie again, yet again jumping to start < 1400862144 778163 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that only part of the code? < 1400862163 427229 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think a system like that could effectively run loops. < 1400862179 389193 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use if statments to skip everything but the loop while it's running. < 1400862278 648078 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400862304 425886 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emulating loops like that might actually be kind of useful for something like keeping a hung script from freezing the whole browser. < 1400862365 796912 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since even if it's stuck in a loop, each cycle of it is followed by a pause while the rest of the browser does its thing. < 1400862385 793453 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a co-operatively multitasking system < 1400862396 634617 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1400862425 729056 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that programs aren't made to cooperate for some reason? < 1400862446 35422 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because browsing locking themselves up is entirely something that happens. < 1400862477 413140 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with threaded browsers on pre-emptive multitask systems < 1400862506 720685 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just go make co-operatively multitasked EMCAscript sometime or something. < 1400862533 923732 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :impl? < 1400862544 612464 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*implementation < 1400862598 681067 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? I don't think I could do that soon, I haven't really been that great at coding. < 1400862642 860684 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could try just writing the actual scripts with that resctriction, though. < 1400862751 26342 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Browsers are made to make javascript go as fast as possible < 1400862804 355952 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1400862811 943012 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I disagree with that design choice. < 1400862925 633759 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for replacing native code, it is kinda necessary. on the merits of replacing native code with a language with so 'interesting' as js may be debated, but js-heavy sites/browsers apps are here to stay < 1400862945 322037 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+'features' < 1400862990 19196 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to see how much slower cooperative Javascript is, but for that ti'd need to exist. < 1400862993 18512 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it'd < 1400863057 644025 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also the targetted optimization < 1400863578 187919 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400863620 351936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, Google Maps for Android 8 has (re-)acquired an UI to manage offline maps, but for everything in Kyoto/Tokyo it just keeps saying "area unavailable". < 1400863732 113831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39645&oldid=39642 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+40) 10 < 1400864021 124306 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a term for that style of loop design? "(something) executive?" < 1400864187 487667 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1400864202 359948 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400864204 895517 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400864667 141774 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400865143 608654 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400865202 241174 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400865318 524283 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400865803 578457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: It also happens that if a Browser freezes Windows Explorer (and thus the whole god damn GUI) becomes unresponsible < 1400865821 506484 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can happen. < 1400865831 677338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's most likely the biggest design fault that persists since the ancient days < 1400865939 964319 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :amongs many other design faults < 1400865942 623927 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it can just chug along so slowly it's just practially frozen, and the rest of the explorer can respond slowly. < 1400865944 253425 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*amongst < 1400865959 238340 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :among them, integrating browser with OS < 1400865993 569372 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like it's a problem exclusive to IE. < 1400865993 822653 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400866001 349103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programs having full access to the whol file system < 1400866011 316367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has been somewhat fixed in windows vista+ < 1400866012 700980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1400866018 555350 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :those Virtual AppData Roaming quirk < 1400866026 49400 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbklosgbyukfxpop JOIN :#esoteric < 1400866033 652733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which frankly, I think, produces more problems than it solves < 1400866075 728363 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just need to make a hardware-based OS where the task manager lives on its own microcontroller next to the cpu. < 1400866088 160298 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then nothing can freeze it. < 1400866141 971566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you tackle all the driver problems? < 1400866187 306594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly beleive that something like how Apple does it must be the solution < 1400866187 489440 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll sell it as a children's toy, it'll be a step up from everything else in that market. < 1400866200 869903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ei/ie < 1400866300 280162 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or make it just make it portable enough that people are fine with only using it with the hardware it's preinstalled on. < 1400866309 410445 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how cell phones and tablets do it. < 1400866349 961457 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'll call it a vidoe game console. < 1400866364 198965 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*video < 1400866396 794609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39646 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+2749) 10Created page with "'''Goldfish''' is an esoteric programming language by [[User:GermanyBoy]] inspired by [[Deadfish i]]. Only way to store data is creating functions and static variables inside ..." < 1400866403 925716 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, minus that extraneous isntance of "make it". < 1400866405 827812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400866410 442883 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a deadfish derivative < 1400866415 605923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the guy from @text? < 1400866440 483264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39647&oldid=39622 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+15) 10/* G */ < 1400866456 348831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GermanyBoy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39648&oldid=39551 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+15) 10 < 1400866459 528127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400866460 902652 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon me < 1400866648 714280 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. That Elehpant thing is from the LISP-Guy < 1400866917 770304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39649&oldid=39646 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (-10) 10/* Truth-machine */ < 1400866935 34812 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400867180 239326 :kmels!kmels@186.151.95.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400867646 460670 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400868079 500836 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400868163 974741 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400868566 828067 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400868688 751671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39650&oldid=39649 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+24) 10 < 1400868715 267863 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400868909 797834 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400869119 523146 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400869147 392577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with technology never working out right? Now the tablet will no longer talk (over USB-OTG) to the memory card reader. < 1400869268 409185 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400869286 94467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the extra-stupid "EOS Remote" Android app forcibly resizes downloads to 1920x1280 with no option to turn that off, so can't work-around that way either.) < 1400869508 586617 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400869708 579742 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :hexagon < 1400869773 402827 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :sign < 1400870087 408883 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400870796 142349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39651&oldid=39643 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+210) 10/* Example Programs */ < 1400870815 446585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39652&oldid=39651 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+3) 10 < 1400870832 820326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39653&oldid=39652 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-3) 10 < 1400870945 986901 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400871633 633408 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400872399 984590 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400872922 498174 :kmels!kmels@186.151.95.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400872960 724097 :kmels!kmels@190.56.11.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400873420 713983 :kmels!kmels@190.56.11.146 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400873432 762190 :kmels!kmels@190.148.177.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400873880 461537 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400874289 919074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39654&oldid=39529 5* 0396.52.124.86 5* (+11) 10 < 1400874351 379634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@text14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39655&oldid=39654 5* 0396.52.124.86 5* (-11) 10 < 1400874655 788556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Icepy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39656&oldid=39519 5* 03Icepy 5* (+106) 10 < 1400874726 69435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Icepy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39657&oldid=39656 5* 03Icepy 5* (+4) 10 < 1400874816 630901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: I think the point of asexual awareness week is e.g. to convince people that, if someone tells you they're asexual, you shouldn't respond by saying they just haven't found the right person yet < 1400874839 738372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you wouldn't tell a gay man that he hasn't met the right woman yet < 1400874913 971864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those sorts of attitudes towards asexual people are pretty common < 1400874924 636780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even (especially?) among people who are okay with every kind of weird sex under the sun < 1400874941 351183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a pretty bizarre response < 1400874958 117933 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I've had that response in the past < 1400875039 582434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: if you don't have those kinds of attitudes then yeah, there is probably no reason for you to be especially aware of asexual people during asexual awareness week < 1400875067 654226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've come to realize that an endless push for More Awareness on things I already pretty much understand has actually been quite harmful to me < 1400875252 397689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there are probably soooo many things one should be aware of and how one shouldn't respond to certain things < 1400875268 72847 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's kinda weird to expect everybody to know all these things < 1400875274 835501 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect people to be particularly reactive to asexuals. < 1400875298 672910 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, most people only get in a relationship with one person at a time. < 1400875339 859113 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being in no relationships at a time doesn't really change much other than reducing the already low chance that said relationship is with you. < 1400875457 738323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39658 5* 03Icepy 5* (+501) 10Created page with "5command is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Icepy]] that has a very small command set of only 5 commands. 5commands is a [[tape based language]] that ju..." < 1400875484 327886 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that must'n mean you shouldn't raise awareness < 1400875504 928110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yeah but ask some asexual people about the reactions they get when they say they aren't interested in sex /at all/ < 1400875506 445533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but being on the non-mainstream side you gotta know that it's probably going to annoy a lot of people < 1400875534 466966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think they won't believe it and just ignore it < 1400875542 198476 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :v^ < 1400875561 480257 :v^!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1400875564 987199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@reactions) < 1400875571 73176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really don't need to guess < 1400875576 113373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ask actual living breathing human beings about it < 1400875590 940813 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining this would mostly be in the context of talking to people who want to make sure all their friends get hooked up in some way. < 1400875637 826550 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or take them all to strip clubs or something. < 1400875640 291952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hear this a lot... "i don't think women would really end up in that position" "i don't think someone would mention race in that situation" < 1400875646 465039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to guess < 1400875651 8133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ask actual people what happens to them < 1400875654 702261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer may surprise you < 1400875674 297618 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400875682 98956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39659&oldid=39658 5* 03Icepy 5* (+68) 10 < 1400875728 421262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39660&oldid=39659 5* 03Icepy 5* (+2) 10 < 1400875742 788187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I've only heard people talking about depressive persons < 1400875756 267345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "they're pathetic. Everyday is a new day. They just gotta man-up" < 1400875756 600045 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I'm sure people sya dumb things all the time, they do that regardless of subject matter. < 1400875775 990037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for people who do like sex, it often seems like such a wonderful and important part of life that they have a hard time relating to someone who just doesn't like it < 1400875845 762339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: those people don't understand that every day is yet another torment < 1400875910 748509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know. < 1400875940 328097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1400875955 551146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39661&oldid=39660 5* 03Icepy 5* (+5) 10 < 1400875999 741017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :first hand, actually < 1400876084 647630 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. I wonder if 5command only outputs the tape at the end of the program, or if it outputs after each step. < 1400876088 369547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a tricky one < 1400876104 816538 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the latter, I don't see why there's a no-op. < 1400876123 149095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have much first-hand experience as well, and I would say that there is a kernel of truth to "every day is a new day, you have to make an attempt" < 1400876152 373072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do have to make an attempt to feel better, it's just really really hard for reasons that are opaque to people who haven't experienced depression < 1400876162 507909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. It has some thruth. < 1400876169 234997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to forgive yourself for utterly failing at the most basic attempts < 1400876172 352403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only because tomorrow exists < 1400876175 707845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else it's just a downward spiral < 1400876198 836802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"every day is a new day" works the other way too, sometimes I'll feel great and then go to sleep and wake up feeling like shit < 1400876208 862081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me want to stay up as long as possible when I'm in a good mood < 1400876209 9420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39662&oldid=39437 5* 03Icepy 5* (+53) 10 < 1400876225 805714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought I was the only one < 1400876237 59366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do that too? < 1400876239 729858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some rare times I'm somewhat happy I don't wanna fall asleep < 1400876256 257423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39663&oldid=39662 5* 03Icepy 5* (-2) 10 < 1400876271 959092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you just wan't the day to be over < 1400876283 538692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... ideally you would sleep like 22h hours a day < 1400876295 151263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that's not possible (yet) < 1400876318 125673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, what you have to do is stutter in and out of sleep until you wake up feeling great < 1400876339 516894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no such thing as waking up feeling great < 1400876359 40729 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then peak antisadness. < 1400876378 400231 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could choose I wouldn't even wanna wake up < 1400876439 835007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes feel like being depressive is the natural state < 1400876462 241102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everybody else has some weird sickness that makes them ignore things < 1400876466 339468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39664&oldid=39661 5* 03Icepy 5* (-9) 10 < 1400876483 448563 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. the fact that your health declines < 1400876490 128881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that people around you are gonna die < 1400876497 661903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. etc. < 1400876508 219911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you a morning person? (I just stumbled on the first paragraph here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Treatment_for_depression ) < 1400876542 523135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39665&oldid=39664 5* 03Icepy 5* (-65) 10 < 1400876568 843549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i was joking < 1400876583 516226 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400876680 565986 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't know why people think that shrinks can "heal" stuff < 1400876710 472068 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because they're technically in a medical discipline. < 1400876743 197895 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400876765 780706 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: phew, I've finally shown to my satisfaction that the CPS step in the factorial derivation works. It's actually quite nasty, because of the contravariant nature of the transformation. So I ended up doing it in two steps, the first of which uses the (contravariant) identity g (f^n x) = (. f)^n g x, while the second one converts between ((a -> b -> r) -> r) -> r and a -> b -> r. < 1400876786 715547 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400876788 451465 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400876790 151324 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: So is a guy who does biopsies. < 1400876810 970652 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*autopsy < 1400876859 277029 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ok, I was going to say biopsies are probably seen as healers even though they only diagnose. < 1400876913 621760 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a lighter note, being depressed doesn't mean that the world is not going to hell. < 1400876992 415222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1400876993 675387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell, there are a bunch of different things that help different people to varying degrees < 1400876999 115926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including drugs (prescription and otherwise) < 1400877005 259000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them are going to "heal" you < 1400877042 702492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been doing a number of these things, especially since the beginning of this year, and I do feel significantly better now < 1400877050 822351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who can say whether I would have felt better without any of it < 1400877065 701908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether the things are arbitrary and it's the doing something that's alleged to make you feel better that makes me feel better < 1400877125 466108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it comforting to remember that, in terms of the ancestral environment, we are all really really far from home and nobody has a fucking clue how anything in the world works or what will happen next < 1400877200 397410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing is at steady state < 1400877228 697545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my brain doesn't work right, at least there's no real reason to expect it would :P < 1400877234 506237 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400877264 215596 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1400877315 431147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this whole human thing is an out of control chain reaction that started just moments ago in evolutionary (let alone cosmological) time < 1400877338 232822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1400877345 670316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy the ride, keep your arms inside the vehicle at all times < 1400877349 899378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why do I have to suffer just because evolution did some things? < 1400877356 607641 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna create a Brainfuck variant where the tape has 0s and 1s, initially all 0s, which has the property that if you change a 0 to a 1 during execution of the program, this doesn't result in a 1 becoming a 0 further down the line. < 1400877374 507709 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to justify it I think. < 1400877382 801546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there is no answer to that question < 1400877387 235384 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you want to make a write-once memory system? < 1400877387 624296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a hard pill to swallow < 1400877406 713980 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can 1s become zeroes, but only invariantly? < 1400877418 397322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and considering that religions were pretty much wrong < 1400877418 586172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thought I had recently is: the comfort of knowing that even if your life does have some meaning, you will never ever figure out what it is < 1400877424 688671 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ones could potentially become zeroes invariantly. < 1400877426 849022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's really *nothing* after death < 1400877433 903916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :than it doesn't really matter anyway < 1400877434 352048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think there is a Turing-complete system where marked cells never become unmarked later on. < 1400877437 593781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1400877465 565815 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, but you can still do X if a cell contains 0 and Y if a cell contains 1, such that X results in 1s being in places where Y wouldn't have them. < 1400877466 67927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if religions were wrong < 1400877475 769884 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, essentially, the only thing that should be impossible is doing a "not". < 1400877499 178320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I hadn't been brainwashed as a kid to christianity to some degree chances are pretty high I wouldn't be here right now < 1400877507 615378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can still have decision like that < 1400877538 167649 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, much of it can remain the same. + sets a cell to 1, - sets a cell to 0, < and > move left and right. < 1400877539 777846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure, it doesn't matter, the same way the outcome of a game doesn't matter, but you can still have fun playing < 1400877543 337043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't totally endorse that view though < 1400877552 95051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know firsthand that this kind of existentialism 101 is not really that comforting < 1400877556 206536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have a better answer < 1400877565 775114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I see it I can't win the game anymore < 1400877577 365965 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think of purpose being a result of life, rather than the oter way around. < 1400877583 823192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes playing it rather annoying than fun < 1400877589 276989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Some people may like to be Christian, and some people aren't; I don't have a problem with that in general. Believe what you like; some things are unknowable, and some things it isn't even meaningful to say is one way or another. < 1400877593 491022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't win at tetris either < 1400877595 666859 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can't tell you what I'd consider "winning the game" < 1400877597 966554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game you can't win anymore? < 1400877609 873615 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, purpose is defined, directly or inderectly, by what a living thing cares about. < 1400877615 268624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why I spent so much time playing tetris and thinking about existentialism as a kid < 1400877618 310341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I play 2048 instead < 1400877630 318464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one can win but only in a meaningless way < 1400877646 219805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by reaching 8192? < 1400877646 366679 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was raised christian. That leaves traces. < 1400877657 936808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were raised an atheist I think i'd be 100% certain that there's nothing after death < 1400877661 32063 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for life to have a purpose there must be life that cares about it. < 1400877678 940136 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then [] should essentially be a "loop while 1", but it should somehow make it so that <, >, and - don't result in there later on being 0s where there could be 1s. < 1400877687 665666 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I could kill myself without risking that one < 1400877712 444428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an atheist but I don't believe that there's nothing after death, exactly < 1400877718 75077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing after death for you or for me < 1400877746 816460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, there are traces. I think is OK you can learn many religious and non-religious things. < 1400877747 712499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "you" and "me" are just crude heuristic labels for describing incredibly complicated and mysterious phenomena < 1400877757 313326 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, here's an idea. < 1400877757 985908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you let go of the ego a bit, death isn't so scary < 1400877761 711635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: nah, there are more anchors. I don't want to hurt my family, friends or acquaintences in that way. < 1400877773 22519 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: true < 1400877780 215627 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] just means "fork and loop forever". All threads operate on the same tape, and all of them move simultaneously. < 1400877781 969130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the neon sign, scrolling up and down / I am born again" < 1400877782 116913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to some degree you're already hurting them by being depressive < 1400877783 112326 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the question of wether a purpose has life to it is more interesting than the reverse. < 1400877794 659528 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, it's not quite the case that all threads operate on the same tape. < 1400877798 21927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, it is a bit unsure what exactly is meant by "what is after death". I can say after death is decomposition and stuff like that. < 1400877799 850556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know that someday they won't give a shit anymore to protect themselves < 1400877804 575820 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a thread does +, all tapes see that. If a thread does -, only its own tape sees that. < 1400877841 18584 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a command %, meaning "die unless 1". < 1400877872 331292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things seem to show that there may be some kind of "psychic awareness" after "near death", but other experiments show otherwise, so it is unknown. In fact, it doesn't seem to quite know what exactly such a thing would mean, anyways. < 1400877895 710352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live only needs a purpose if you don't enjoy it. The purpose is just there to justify your suffering < 1400877906 191472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutral monism is best monism < 1400877932 963154 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so, it sounds like you don't enjoy life. < 1400877941 21094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obiously not. < 1400877944 526814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+v < 1400877966 536047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I am also neutral monism < 1400877996 787966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would enjoy it if you invent the artificial comma capsule thingy < 1400878003 739949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing you see in science fiction movies < 1400878023 750955 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you enter the capsule and you're immediately put into a sleep state < 1400878033 647977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like freezing/unfreezing or whatever < 1400878034 235202 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have apostrophe capsules. < 1400878044 343570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say about purpose of life, but really it is just a part of a larger system, which is the entire universe and of the multiverse (if any). That is the purpose. < 1400878067 502142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could work like 3/4 hours a day to pay off the capsule < 1400878076 631962 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other 20h you'd be in the capsule < 1400878081 64555 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of interesting how so many of our names of punctuation marks come from Greek. < 1400878098 577073 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be kinda my dream life < 1400878099 500511 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comma, colon, semicolon, apostrophe. < 1400878113 212265 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so your dream is the elimination of leisure time? < 1400878152 379042 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of it ,yes < 1400878178 778170 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely take too much leisure time. < 1400878181 381999 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, for example. < 1400878200 147436 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wish I could stay and chat, bye) < 1400878202 639334 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1400878253 57006 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk NICK :edwardk < 1400878253 831604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, I learned about it from you < 1400878296 333396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly it's also about the day only being 3 to 4 hours long < 1400878353 936723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it matter if you're sleeping 8 hours or 20 < 1400878385 400247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have to suffer fewer hours per day < 1400878406 296240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sleep 8 hours there's still 16 hours of the day left < 1400878425 448173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's way too much < 1400878506 318644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be only working to pay off the capsule so you don't live of other people's money < 1400878512 202905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people don't like that < 1400878612 832239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1400878627 185291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he. I made him leave :) < 1400878634 282733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I'm gonna shut up now < 1400878715 774564 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8 < 1400878771 382185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You were talking about using rank/select to index into UTF-8 encoded text efficiently, right? < 1400878978 474101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400879173 761300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is rank/select to index into UTF-8 encoded text? < 1400879182 375586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have new information about it? < 1400879241 945441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What SQLite does is considers any byte 0x01-0xBF to be a single character, and any byte 0xC0-0xFF followed by zero or more bytes in the 0x80-0xBF range to be a single character. < 1400879385 349919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When trying to convert to/from codepoints there are many other problems, but I have written an extension with functions CHR_U and ORD_U which avoid these problems. The built-in UNICODE function assumes codepoints are signed 32-bit integers, although my function ORD_U uses signed 64-bit integers instead (although only 36-bits will be used). The built-in CHAR function cannot encode surrogates or out-of-range Unicode characters. < 1400879488 209357 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400879920 717117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: edwardk was just talking about it in the other channel. < 1400879923 467269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1400879926 213396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does he think? < 1400879940 82567 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: works fine < 1400879955 637948 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, do you think it's efficient on a practical level? < 1400879975 754179 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: for large enough text fragments definitely < 1400879989 646995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: I had some thoughts about JavaScript text representation: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mozilla.dev.servo/1K2-Qy27e3A/--z3h3VhvHIJ < 1400879994 672659 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :github.com/ekmett/succinct offers up rank/select structures < 1400880019 950944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1400880026 690937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't happen to have a Rust implementation do you? ;) < 1400880043 789567 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. can't abstract over stuff i want to abstract in rust ;) < 1400880075 705687 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair that is also true of haskell from time to time ;) < 1400880076 370127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400880125 440704 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400880209 360930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400880219 966760 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400880268 376209 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky part is you want efficient select performance not rank, so Elias-Fano, etc. gets a bit tricky to do well < 1400880563 93876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still do not quite understand, what is rank/select to index into UTF-8 encoded text efficiently? < 1400880589 678992 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400880589 902065 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400880677 93721 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank lets you count up the number of occurrences of a symbol in an alphabet up to a given point in O(1) time using very near optimal space. select lets you jump directly to the kth occurrence of a symbol. lets let the symbols be 1 or 0 for whether it is a UTF8 head byte or a UTF8 tail byte. store that bitvector as an array and add a select structure that lets you quickly jump to the kth 1 < 1400880705 797213 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you want to drop k elements from Data.Text you use select k 1s, and drop to thre < 1400880752 996419 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to take k elements you go to select k 1s - 1and run to there. < 1400880786 790511 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a precursor to more advanced structures like fm-indices, wavelet trees, compressed suffix arrays, etc. < 1400880846 805414 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400880861 262327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1400881001 893096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suppose then, if the byte 0x80 to 0xBF then it is not a first byte of a UTF-8 character, and otherwise it is a first byte of a UTF-8 character. < 1400881409 79578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: I imagine that for UTF-8 you would just store a sparse bit vector of all the continuation bytes or something like that? < 1400881437 499803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on what you expect strings to be like. < 1400881447 84555 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you'd want a select structure that can find the head bytes. < 1400881514 914426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1400881516 3649 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank doesn't care which way it splits, but select structures are built for one value or the other (or both) < 1400881540 790223 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here it is more useful to be able to find heads < 1400881587 942294 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with text we don't use utf-8 currently, so it'd be surrogate pair leads < 1400881603 644981 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the type there'd be no non-plane 0 codepoints < 1400881612 641724 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the structure'd usually be trivial < 1400881617 724433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you are using UTF-16? < 1400881633 904887 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assumng for Data.Text which is UTF-16 < 1400881655 459194 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its the same problem as for UTF-8 < 1400881668 270509 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 annoys me < 1400881697 517055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 is not compatible with ASCII, though. < 1400881726 595067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the reason in the end for sticking with UTF-16? < 1400881728 359109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICU? < 1400881807 872135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is also not limited to the Unicode range. < 1400882155 371152 :john3213!john3213@static-72-66-66-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400882293 924661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VGM file format uses UTF-16. A VGM compiler I wrote expects the input to be in ASCII format, however comments can be in any format, and any text which is copied directly to the VGM file can be in UTF-8 or CESU-8 format. (Nothing special is needed to support CESU-8, so it just automatically does support CESU-8.) < 1400882363 699943 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400882457 810499 :john3213!john3213@static-72-66-66-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1400882577 369585 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: performance was better < 1400882693 629677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard mixed opinions about that. But I don't remember, it's been a while. < 1400882708 592569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was jaspervdj's project, right? < 1400882733 75508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there up-to-date code and benchmarks? < 1400882740 661409 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400882792 708928 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400882806 416694 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in the end the only thing jasper's code was faster at was going to/from utf-8. everything else was 5-10% slower < 1400882816 775240 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentored the project that year < 1400882822 38260 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400882832 216977 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :its since bitrotted away < 1400882927 408608 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates bitrot < 1400882953 691798 :nooodl_!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400882986 319248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely among by bottom 3 rots < 1400883159 498390 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400883766 826229 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wait for it to be rotated by 26 and it'll be the same again. < 1400883920 445340 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unicode, you have to rotate by U+2FFFF PILE OF POO WINKING AT CATGIRL < 1400884006 941654 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400884173 516199 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400884211 714806 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400884219 219454 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy. < 1400884228 829405 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm not mistaken, this is Graham's number using Church numerals: < 1400884230 304380 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 (\n -> (pred n) (\ar b' e' -> (pred e') (ar b') b') 27) 4 < 1400884347 178363 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it'd be larger if you removed the "pred"s. < 1400884537 903272 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400884782 132365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400884833 356335 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could make an infinite sequence that's the rightmost digits of fix (3^). that'd be cool < 1400884853 206776 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 10-adic solution to x = 3^x. < 1400884888 276984 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1400884890 182420 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some amazing theorem which states that the function f(x) = 3^x - x takes on all but at most one value. < 1400884916 537922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: discussing graham's number? < 1400884922 70074 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the complex numbers, that is. < 1400884926 834389 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett brought it up < 1400884932 228670 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, picard's theorem < 1400884933 903815 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good theorem. < 1400884973 501974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't necessarily have to exclude one value, mind you, i think < 1400884977 408683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400884992 980115 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's either all of C or C minus some dumbass point < 1400885005 208558 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you have two or more points you have to be periodic or sumfin < 1400885009 331734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether 3^x - x does i'm not sure. actually that would be equivalent to e^x - x + a constant, i think < 1400885023 418206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in range) < 1400885055 815029 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(log 3)e^x - x, anyway < 1400885081 830975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, i'm just thinking you can extract that log 3 by substituting x with something < 1400885120 436345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^x - x = e^(x*ln 3) - (x*ln 3) + ... hm or can you < 1400885142 339853 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :substitute y = x - ln3!! < 1400885168 566149 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer i am tired and apathetic < 1400885195 37749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something linear, maybe. < 1400885198 62821 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION visualizes 3^x - x. < 1400885198 576283 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400885208 546211 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^(x-ln3) = (ln3)e^(x-ln3) = (ln3)(e^x)/(e^ln3) oh < 1400885214 439801 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so x - ln ln 3? < 1400885219 270169 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails to come to a conclusion. < 1400885233 514408 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: just ignore the linear term brooooooooooo < 1400885245 307632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't see your first = < 1400885266 597140 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? a^x = (ln a)e^x, surely < 1400885273 433772 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^(x ln a), surely? < 1400885280 988856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's e^(x l...right tswett < 1400885281 943102 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400885288 700442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i'm tired < 1400885402 277546 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400885415 221515 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400885424 597494 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y = x/ln3, then? so 3^(x/ln3) = e^(x*ln3/ln3)? or have i forgotten what a three is < 1400885439 622436 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Lispy notation, we've got this: (apply (apply 64 (lambda n _ (apply (apply (apply pred n) (lambda a _ (lambda b _ (lambda e _ (apply (apply (apply pred e) (apply ar b)) b))))) 27))) 4) < 1400885446 253557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might like, not confuse x and y twh < 1400885470 388960 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where _ means "this is supposed to be a type signature but I haven't bothered to figure out what". < 1400885482 851772 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1400885531 40207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1400885533 524536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1400885550 169278 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Graham's number can be written in the calculus of constructions using a few dozen symbols tops. < 1400885565 382103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^y - y = e^x - x/ln 3 < 1400885567 463594 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an Unreasonably Large Number. < 1400885570 425613 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that surprising < 1400885575 589620 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nope. < 1400885585 332506 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it seems much larger when you remember it's a dimensionality :V < 1400885586 772491 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it makes Graham's number sound pretty small. < 1400885618 523008 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just skip to grzegorczyk and call it good < 1400885680 948864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hey we (well, someone, quintopia maybe?) did goodstein sequence in system F the other day, graham's number is like piece of cake in comparison < 1400885718 704718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i found something on wikipedia implying it possible and someone else wrote down a definition < 1400885782 454819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm to get rid of that /ln 3 you need to substitute it back in additively, i think < 1400885838 512632 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400885845 855593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = z - ln 3 < 1400885867 928094 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if System F can do it, surely the CoC can do it. < 1400885904 172230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 3^y - y = e^x - x/ln 3 = e^z/ln 3 - z/ln 3 + (ln 3)^2 < 1400885939 361681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := (e^z - z)/ln 3 + (ln 3)^2 < 1400885977 882426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the ranges of the functions are just linear maps of each other < 1400885991 769111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means either both leave out a point, or neither < 1400886065 394219 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Goodstein's theorem really seems a little obvious. < 1400886106 31236 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that's unprovable in peano? < 1400886130 592941 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1400886186 150527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tswett: I did; see https://github.com/tromp/AIT/blob/master/goodstein.hs < 1400886200 437982 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes down to the fact that a certain recursion scheme is well-founded. < 1400886243 600002 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recursion scheme uses a decreasing sequence of ordinal numbers less than epsilon_0. < 1400886264 268373 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's in tromp's repo because there is also a lambda code version of essentially the same code in there now) < 1400886322 267925 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting definition of an ordinal number. < 1400886334 30592 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forall r. ((N -> r) -> r) -> (r -> r) -> r -> r" < 1400886339 391945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, sorry for not remembering < 1400886368 994224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worry about it < 1400886393 114287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What does N mean here, then? < 1400886395 225174 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it takes a blobble, a function on blobbles, and a function turning an infinite sequence of blobbles into a blobble. It turns all this into a single blobble. < 1400886398 216122 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: natural numbers. < 1400886402 219164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1400886429 503952 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it sounds a lot like taking zero, a successor function, and a limit function. < 1400886450 777103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: afaiu that's what it is, in church representation < 1400886470 764441 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that representation can't represent all ordinal numbers. < 1400886472 998402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it only works for countable ordinals < 1400886476 146720 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At best, it represents the countable ones. < 1400886476 812621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't really understand how that works to actually do ordinal number stuff < 1400886513 237506 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The calculus of constructions is so strong, I bet you could use it to prove that the calculus of constructions is strongly normalizing. < 1400886531 714217 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The amount I bet is -$200.) < 1400886538 186564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you run into problems actually constructing them, but in principle every countable ordinal can be represented in that way.) < 1400886568 880787 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this has shockingly little to do with my question about grobner bases, smh < 1400886596 149254 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smacking my halibut. < 1400886597 904021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a question... hmm. < 1400886621 328761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops my y to z above is nonsense < 1400886654 938076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be x = z - ln (ln 3), i think < 1400886682 625300 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question was: what the heck are grobner bases < 1400886720 755622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then e^x - x/ln 3 = e^z/ln 3 - z/ln 3 + ln 3 ln (ln 3) = (e^z - z)/ln 3 + ln 3 ln (ln 3) < 1400886766 524904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39666&oldid=39645 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+260) 10 < 1400886789 155064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh still wrong. + ln (ln 3) / ln 3 < 1400886808 638572 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently solving systems of polynomials is "not easy" and also "you can get to P and NP somehow from trying" < 1400886830 754443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the essence still holds, anyway < 1400886963 625026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: AFAIK Gröbner bases represent ideals in polnomial rings; they are special in that one can decide whether a polnomial is in the ideal by taking it's largest monomial (in a total order on monomials) and replace it by a linear combination of smaller ones using a polynomial in the gröbner basis; this procedure terminates and you either end up with 0 (and the polynomial is in the ideal) or not (and it's not). < 1400887036 545336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1400887039 254743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1400887041 643422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for polynomials you can also run into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_tenth_problem < 1400887052 498317 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll think hard and figure out what this has to do with solving < 1400887071 110816 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what do diophantines have to do with it ._. < 1400887595 894661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's another kind of polynomial equations < 1400887613 102481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have a feeling the signed overflow is UB to cater for (real or hypothetical) machines where signed-integer arithmetic traps on overflow rather than doing something else. <-- what istr reading is that it's UB to allow optimizations that only work if there is no overflow hth < 1400887616 170249 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(restricted to integer coefficients and variables) < 1400887635 849107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't actually have anything to do with ambiguousness of representation at all < 1400887644 439898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or not just that, anyway) < 1400887695 699247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the fizzie is idle < 1400887700 7296 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, i don't care about that limitation here though is all < 1400887773 165383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie I have a feeling the signed overflow is UB to cater for (real or hypothetical) machines where signed-integer arithmetic traps on overflow rather than doing something else. <-- what istr reading is that it's UB to allow optimizations that only work if there is no overflow. so it isn't just about ambiguousness of representation, if at all. < 1400887773 524375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400888025 117601 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400888311 173235 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400888454 916375 :nooodl_!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400888779 289284 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400888779 436505 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400889364 873212 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimizations that only work if there's no overflow, eh? < 1400889475 74428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM can explicitly specify if there is no signed overflow and no unsigned overflow. < 1400889493 231505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the c faq had examples < 1400889533 607804 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, in C, unsigned integer overflow is defined to wrap around and signed integer overflow is undefined behavior. I guess you could use a signed 16-bit integer to represent an unsigned 8-bit integer with undefined behavior on overflow. < 1400889665 149305 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1400889886 950183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just do it directly in LLVM by telling it that you want undefined behavior on unsigned overflow in this circumstances. < 1400890379 679645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400890496 511636 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the problem with base 10, and all other positive integer radix bases, is that they're topologically incorrect. < 1400890565 346303 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying they outright don't have topoligies? < 1400890587 530520 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think they have topologies. But the topologies are incorrect. < 1400890637 921631 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say that a set of sequences is open if and only if, for every sequence in the set, there's a finite prefix of that sequence such that every sequence with that prefix is in the set. < 1400890675 588614 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, the set of all sequences containing at least one "b" is open, because given the sequence "aaaabaaaaaaa", there's a prefix, "aaaab", such that every sequence with that prefix is in the set.) < 1400890711 137130 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's no continuous function taking a regular Cauchy sequence and returning a decimal expansion for its limit. < 1400890742 683305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been pinged < 1400890760 977830 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400890763 51438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400890765 658712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't me < 1400890771 603511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know system F < 1400890779 459088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i appreciate the faith in me < 1400890837 316477 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1400890846 293692 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400890915 239950 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Given the sequence 1.1, 0.9, 1.01, 0.99, 1.001, 0.999, 1.0001, 0.9999, ..., you can never find any digits of the decimal expansion because you don't know whether the first digit is 0 or 1. < 1400890952 759440 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most obvious bases that don't have this problem are the negative integer radix bases. < 1400891018 639664 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's not quite true. < 1400891031 717483 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the negative integer radix bases where you're allowed to use digits at least as large as the base. < 1400891033 89522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yw < 1400891044 367629 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The absolute value, rather. So, e.g., base -2 with 0, 1, and 2 as digits. < 1400891118 988047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is system F brainfuck? i don't even remember < 1400891150 797483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no it's lambda calculus with explicit rank-n types < 1400891196 912954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc's core intermediate language is an extension of it < 1400891217 88997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basica version allows only terminating functions < 1400891220 36419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1400891240 409855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made some kind of RLE where some values are data values and some are RLE values, and the RLE values are small-endian shifted numbers so, for example, you might have eight data values and eight RLE values, then the digits are 1 to 8. If RLE values are present, you add two to determine how many. < 1400891282 447342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't understand anything even remotely related to ghc. i feel like the dude in that codeless code "the monolith" < 1400891294 571607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1400891303 187297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly there is still some redundancy though. < 1400891666 972298 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, how could everyone have missed a flaw in numbers this whole time < 1400891695 214964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mathematics inconsistent < 1400891697 531136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That isn't a flaw, though. < 1400891733 312272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks to me like an error in trying to use then with topologies even though it shouldn't apply. < 1400891763 820248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is Bike talking about what zzo38 thinks he is talking about < 1400891769 840908 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, yes. < 1400891823 859507 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo will see that everything he loves is a lie as soon as he tries getting digits of the limit of 1.1, 0.9, etc etc < 1400891828 392095 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doom! doom!! < 1400891836 769795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400891847 718621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it doesn't have a limit. < 1400891888 728165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things don't have a limit! < 1400891899 842883 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a cruel thing to say. < 1400891948 252662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if it is cruel or not. < 1400892024 144426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400892036 606073 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically that is also a cruel thing to say < 1400892094 890536 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400892184 616980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400892268 562158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cruelly, that is not actually ironic hth < 1400893402 940029 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and incidentally (neither cruelly nor ironically) it is/was my birthday < 1400893442 580739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy olsner day! < 1400893466 895919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Happy olsner day! | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1400893473 755338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel < 1400893485 717777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat inebriated? < 1400893497 252676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's just as well, we're 90% of the way through megasecond 1400) < 1400893524 58351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not older, because really I'm pretty much exactly as old as I used to be < 1400893613 11935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 build LLVM every day < 1400893687 406104 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400893703 873808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't do drugs, but if I did I wouldn't do llvm < 1400893730 528674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people's birthday is on Feb.29 and it has to be moved to Mar.1. One way to avoid is to use your actual sun sign rather than the calendar; then you don't have to worry about leap years. However, in such a case, it will then change which date it is on each year much more often. < 1400893800 151090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you inebriated if you don't do drugs < 1400893906 600626 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :high on life tbh < 1400893912 397259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impeccable logic has been peccled < 1400893924 799048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :high on inebriation itself < 1400893953 294414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a snake smoking its own tail < 1400893982 780825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is the ecliptic longitude of sun at the time of your birth, to the nearest degree, and what time this year is corresponds to the same number? (I am not asking you what it is; I only ask if you know it or not.) < 1400893995 122740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know < 1400893999 766970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I think I could look it up? < 1400894002 772155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't actually care what the result is.) < 1400894050 941827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Using ephemeris you certainly can look it up, yes. But you may need to know the time of day too, in such a case. < 1400894072 936130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the approximate time of day when I was born < 1400894076 198416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I start using rust's format macros, I wonder if it would bloat my kernel horribly < 1400894081 121626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1400894089 761232 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my thought exactly < 1400894353 916475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can either use software on your computer to calculate it (such as Swiss Ephemeris, or Astrolog), or use a webpage form such as http://ephemeris.com/ephemeris.php It will display the current positions by default. You should leave the longitude/latitude/meters blank. The columns "Longitude" and "Latitude" are ecliptic positions (you can tell because of the units used), while "Right Asc." and "Declination" are equatorial coordinates. < 1400894366 504662 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400894669 387729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ephemeris can also be used for date/time in the future, too.) < 1400895112 107811 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400895260 795727 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/video/christ-article-a-video,36101/ < 1400895350 510159 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel this. < 1400895710 634444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400895712 469243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a tarot deck, one card is called a "Fool" (or sometimes, an "Excuse"). This card is often labeled zero, but I disagree, and believe it should instead remain unlabeled. Generally, either it is either the highest trump, or it is a card which can be played even though you are able to follow suit, but always loses the trick. < 1400895758 139323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone once told me why it is labeled zero, which is because it represents the beginning of the journey, which is what the trump cards represent. I can understand this, but do not consider it to be a valid excuse. What do *you* think? < 1400895839 250967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another document agrees with me that it should not be numbered, but has an entirely different reason which does not agree with mine. < 1400895871 82773 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i care < 1400895874 521161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played any card games at all which have a card which can be played even though you are able to follow suit? < 1400895889 789179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering what other games use such a feature. < 1400896295 68959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game with the eights? < 1400896359 98574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Eights < 1400896375 195921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uno and speed uno < 1400896399 216621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that upstream downstream one i think < 1400896567 843065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I meant about trick taking games, where you lose the trick if you don't follow suit. < 1400896604 231727 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than spades? < 1400896633 28442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how Spades is played, but I can try to learn < 1400896657 63524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll play spades with you < 1400896947 189641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hearts it is played that you cannot lead a heart until one is played (and also a similar rule is sometimes used in spades). But what if, all you have are hearts? < 1400897006 456162 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400897031 489460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says they can play it anyways in such a case. < 1400897104 833286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the following variant rule of Hearts is similar to the Excuse card in tarot: "Non-distinct Jokers are valueless cards that cannot win tricks. They may be played at all times (except to lead tricks)" < 1400897258 25963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in spades, if you have all the spades, you must call for a redeal < 1400897308 784021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, why is that? < 1400897347 372067 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400897586 558155 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400897787 834161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because if you have all the spades, you will automatically win every trick, which means you will declare 13 tricks, the other side will declare 0, everyone will make their bids, and no fun will be had by all. boring. < 1400897848 528888 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to keep on hoping that, despite this image, Creatures 4 will have a real genetics editor < 1400897848 895589 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110825065432/creatures/images/4/44/Creatures_4_Editor.jpg < 1400898282 506244 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think it will. < 1400898314 73444 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that because it's free-to-play, you'd have to pay for each custom egg you hatch or something. < 1400898374 851360 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a Creatures fan? < 1400898389 641349 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, though it's been a while since I've played. < 1400898407 471690 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep scratching my Creatures 3 disks, hoping to get it on gog.com sometime. < 1400898409 120719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, which games? < 1400898414 67472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1400898430 177061 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 3, though I wouldn't mind playing the others. < 1400898485 117660 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much only DS+C3 here < 1400899027 781879 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400899068 111274 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400899227 951972 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400900078 609817 :kmels!kmels@190.148.177.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400900124 414790 :kmels!kmels@190.148.176.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400900314 135536 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400902086 607475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mconcat < 1400902088 414461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoid a => [a] -> a < 1400902735 387890 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400903574 873484 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1400904008 835903 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400904134 594564 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400905071 696547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://github.com/kmcallister/rfcs/blob/lints/active/0000-loadable-lints.md < 1400905141 36762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and discussion here: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/89 < 1400905146 664251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like mcpherrin's suggestion of CSS selectors for ASTs < 1400905173 786422 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jQuery for Rust < 1400905220 545191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400905222 712952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rQuery < 1400905442 433075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39667&oldid=39666 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+101) 10 < 1400905537 954738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can xQuery selectors be used for ASTs? < 1400905667 601887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know a code that can convert something like CSS selectors for ASTs into a SQL code. < 1400905831 725830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is xQuery? < 1400905874 78097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queries XML documents < 1400905891 634515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it compare to XPath? < 1400905903 262669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pcwalton's idea here is pretty #esoteric: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.servo/49g2izLWsls/VRlR_dSws_EJ < 1400905908 893934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Blink has a JIT for CSS selectors < 1400905921 659817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he wants us to do the same, but also throw out any other representation of CSS nodes < 1400905927 21243 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is 'API' coming to mean 'HTTP-transported API returning JSON objects'? < 1400905929 503467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get it dynamically by decompiling the JIT code < 1400905936 397290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this is why we can't have nice things < 1400905959 189363 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mashape.com/ sgeo < 1400905972 928395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hilarious site fyi < 1400906011 99145 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an ad for that site is exactly what made me think of that < 1400906067 442072 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.mashape.com/post/69006514021/list-of-25-email-validation-apis man they even advertise it < 1400906074 507381 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a million of everything and it all costs moneys < 1400906084 561326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Why is that site suggesting hitting it for using the APIs? Do people make HTTP/JSON APIs on that site based off other APIs that might not be so "friendly"? < 1400906121 32246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EmailValidate is a web service which validates email addresses using various methods, including: Syntax validation, MX record lookup, SMTP availability" < 1400906130 870397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have sliced my thumb by attempting to use a knife as a different kind of tool < 1400906132 415586 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMTP? Isn't that obsolete, shouldn't we be HTTP POSTing emails? < 1400906136 722072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not badly, just enough to feel stupid < 1400906158 322143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you try to use it as nail polish < 1400906162 621396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: one day in the future, software archaeologists will attempt to discern the purpose of all these mysterious protocol layers under HTTP < 1400906162 944020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is call obsolete, but it shouldn't be. We should be using SMTP and deprecating the ability tp HTTP POSTing emails. < 1400906165 624210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1400906203 472069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if browser developers applied their mystic powers of understanding thirty layers of historical garbage i wouldn't have so much trouble with bug biology < 1400906209 907604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many better protocols than HTTP. < 1400906246 363952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP isn't the protocol we want but it's the protocol we deserve < 1400906248 30079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that literal example isn't quite happening yet. Except to the extent that webmail clients work, but that is, so far, just to a server which itself will use SMTP. < 1400906258 57827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there are totally services that let you send email by HTTP APIs < 1400906273 890565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i should spend some time actually learning rust < 1400906283 276556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's pretty cool < 1400906302 531579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.mailgun.com/ is a popular one < 1400906327 762848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should do it so that you can implement rustc features that i want < 1400906346 379875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/x-www-form-urlencoded? < 1400906351 985171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, seems like a novelty these days < 1400906366 369882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 11 months as a professional Rust developer, I have opened 48 issues on the Rust bugtracker < 1400906382 621854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, meteor shower tonight < 1400906386 814340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1400906389 15931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still insist to use SMTP (or TFTP). If the server requires HTTP to be used, you should instead immediately deprecate it and write a SMTP server that translates the signals, and then eventually fix it so that it works other way around. < 1400906392 510565 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd almost say I'm weirdly happy about that, except it exposes security issues because what's an SOP,
inventor? < 1400906404 298228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why we can't have nice things < 1400906431 136522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:31 < kmc> should I be scared when the WHATWG spec says "for historical reasons"? because I feel like that phrase already applies to the entire document < 1400906434 140034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:31 < Ms2ger> Correct < 1400906436 647451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:32 < Ms2ger> That just means "for historical reasons we dislike particularly" < 1400906518 190310 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-50-112-124-255.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1400906525 671881 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400906562 503428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP is very wasteful, and HTTPS isn't as secure as they want it to be. < 1400906577 417207 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you're writing a whole browser you should write a whole hypertext replacement, realistic adoption be damned < 1400906589 504909 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moxanadu < 1400906602 579873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400906657 936890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think are the main security issues with HTTPS? < 1400906661 941271 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a TCP-like protocol that lives on top of HTTP(S). It's becoming quite popular. < 1400906664 953371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many, I don't even know where to begin < 1400906688 198212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't write the whole browser anyways. Use different program each purpose. Using telnet and SSH when you want interactive sessions without hypertext and so on (SSH also allows a few other things; you can send a command directly for batch processing, and you can use X forwarding if you need a GUI, but hopefully you don't need a GUI and can avoid that complexity). < 1400906689 331980 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess 'on top of' isn't quite accurate. More initiated by < 1400906693 27858 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today somebody asked me whether using "EFF" was worth it. after some needling i found out he meant their HTTPS Everywhere gizmo < 1400906701 520998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400906705 502805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: websockets? < 1400906708 361272 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1400906711 961270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1400906731 18469 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like, are you trying to set up donations or sumfin < 1400906733 906536 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and the company you're working for is building a mobile OS on top of this mess. < 1400906751 16138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as god intended < 1400906751 241641 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does Mozilla count as a company? < 1400906761 265564 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just 'organization'? < 1400906763 981296 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're a bunch of people < 1400906766 494910 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, company < 1400906792 255694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use SSH instead of HTTPS, and avoid use of HTML too. Make the command-line to upload/download/access bank statements and so on, using bank statement format, payment format, etc < 1400906834 641306 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo are your parents computer people? < 1400906836 308894 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400906850 220411 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fantastic idea! Now, what do we do when our customers think that we're an utterly backwards company because we have no web site? < 1400906870 519462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, make a web site! But, put a notice on it that says, "Deprecated"! < 1400906938 231253 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter how bad the existing stack is, anything you ask a bank to come up with will be worse. < 1400906964 842754 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just having a hard time imagining you being you if you've ever had to help an unsavvy parent with the computerbox < 1400906972 132824 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a non-web GUI is also going to be 'fun', involving possibly asking customers to trust that we're not evil (maybe warranted for an ISP, possibly not so much for, say, sharing 'meme images') < 1400907007 528435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best is not GUI at all, if it can be avoided. < 1400907015 638138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's the alternative possibility they're so unsavvy they refuse to touch a computer, ever < 1400907029 14276 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was actually my first guess < 1400907033 951746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do need a GUI, use non-trusted X forwarding. < 1400907075 799924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But try to allow it to work without a GUI if that is at all possible, even if a GUI is available. < 1400907078 95302 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to let people run X programs on bank servers? < 1400907108 421688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web is the worst cross-platform GUI stack there is, except for all the others. < 1400907111 184829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: No, you should disable GUI, to avoid that. < 1400907123 518855 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez monotone do try to keep up < 1400907153 552810 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400907181 840566 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400907200 934357 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :still thinkin' jwz("I'll invent a new protocol!") < 1400907220 94166 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like building a bookcase out of mashed potatoes < 1400907221 884085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do need to run X programs, well, you can fake it, and whatever. Ensure both sides are secure. It may be easier to secure than a webpage. But first try to use, don't use GUI at all if it is possible to avoid GUI. < 1400907231 904719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1400907232 413849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1400907236 986899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mcpherrin < 1400907242 104572 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi kmc! < 1400907246 163012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi m28. < 1400907281 914478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: HackEgo is a bot which executes each command by booting a new Linux virtual machine, running the command, and then merging filesystem changes using Mercurial < 1400907296 299724 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: At least you tried? < 1400907302 872863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it's User Mode Linux so both "booting" and "virtual machine" are something of an overstatement there < 1400907306 606135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's how it works < 1400907311 456741 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML is cool < 1400907311 609068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1400907313 87507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09boatwanvcoin 02bilcoin 06dugocoin 13goto+coin 04piecodecoin 07subsidcoin 08minarcoin 09uncepticoin 02cobcoin 06alpaincoin 13ultisismcoin 04javcoin 07pinquinaboracoin 08tudcoin 09ornicoin 02juggariolacoin 06pckivcoin 13mempovecoin 04tarylancoin 07ballcoin < 1400907315 813549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1400907316 276954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1400907325 746183 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: (i think that's how jwz described using xlib) < 1400907353 422644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they install SQLite yet in there? It could be installed, if you want to write a survey program in SQL, to run in HackEgo. < 1400907360 604796 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey this paper cites "McAllister". kmc are you a biophysicist < 1400907366 222981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400907371 844321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also not a street in san francisco < 1400907373 373749 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Oh, I see. Was talking about the greeting anyway. < 1400907402 861153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: those mashed potatoes should go well with the edible book festival < 1400907404 85643 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor one of the dorms at my school, which has been repurposed into having the air force and fashion classes, i imagine < 1400907404 233543 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine if there were no languages except PHP... is this an accurate way to describe the web? < 1400907409 826189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400907416 164622 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hell below us < 1400907418 938200 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascripttttttttt < 1400907420 269071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no part of the web technology stack is as bad as PHP < 1400907428 86444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is bad but it's not irredeemably bad < 1400907430 354773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No; it isn't the only way to program it, too. You can use CGI programs in C, too. < 1400907443 594308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is a really weird demonstration of the Lambda the Ultimate principle < 1400907448 906853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is a fine programming language actually. It is used really badly though. < 1400907458 240060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is much worse. < 1400907460 299601 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sending browsers text data that contains both trusted and untrusted data, with the only separation being context-sensitive escaping < 1400907469 137932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly it's that everyone has to use JS, so they come up with ways to make it not suck < 1400907471 981388 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :web escaping is awesome < 1400907479 745198 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that what the fuck even < 1400907481 769681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PHP can also be used for command-line programs; in fact, so can JavaScript.) < 1400907488 611636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas people who use PHP and realize how bad it is can just use something else < 1400907491 585423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some exceptions < 1400907513 453297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I worked somewhere that had a mixed Rails / PHP codebase and used both langugaes for batch processing as well as webapps < 1400907536 514273 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP also has a tendency to "fix" things by making them worse. < 1400907546 259399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using JavaScript for something other than client-side coding on webpages, then you usually can easily use something else. For example, Synchronet door programs are written in JavaScript, but you can just as well use a native code program or a DOS program. < 1400907566 647460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :emscripten that shit < 1400907614 159063 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm.js wooooo < 1400907619 918707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XULrunner programs are also JavaScript; you can try to use C++ instead but that probably makes it more difficult and more confusing. I think JavaScript is really not too bad. < 1400907637 586409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1400907639 182975 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dos.js < 1400907644 404429 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hail xpcom? < 1400907703 208211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I know about XPCOM. < 1400907726 791215 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpcom.js < 1400907737 528061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: there is interest in writing Gecko components in Rust < 1400907743 471378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpcom.rs woooo < 1400907762 276108 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have written enough xpcom to know that I don't want to do that ;) < 1400907796 869680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written webpage server programs in SQL, though. It was at someone's request; they had SSH clients and all that stuff on their computers but I (and the system administrator) are the only ones who didn't refuse to use them. I later found my program was rewritten in Ruby by someone else. < 1400907806 272153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fun macro is let string = objc![[NSString alloc] initWithCString: "Hello, world!"] < 1400907836 331968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly because they didn't know SQL, or something like that?) < 1400907859 279891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe they hated SQL) < 1400907859 728998 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, should have expected that when I searched for a JS interpreter in JS, I'd find one that's just SpiderMonkey compiled to asm.js with Emscripten. < 1400907861 797821 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: let me know when you can embed a Smalltalk IDE into Rust < 1400907872 699580 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400907890 169623 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: i'm imagining an ICE where the pistons are themselves engines < 1400907890 357409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was compiling webkit to asm.js too < 1400907956 114720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: https://github.com/mozilla/narcissus/ < 1400907981 588661 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now we're talking about running a full-fledged browser in your browser, in a way that's somewhat more efficient than the current state of the art, running a browser in an x86 emulator in your browser. < 1400908044 313469 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man anyone remember xzbit jokes? those were the dayzzzz < 1400908073 585377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400908077 358761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :high times < 1400908088 186959 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip < 1400908236 465916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400908359 355019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want structured menus of files and stuff, which is suitable for any device with any user interface (including scantron), then gopher protocol is very suitable for such a thing. < 1400908506 131827 :password2!~password@197.77.106.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400908517 598210 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take these words to heart < 1400909144 38912 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400909303 974375 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400910762 530445 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400911198 300185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god javascript is such a shitty language < 1400911212 961160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even worse than mortal javascript < 1400911217 14088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400911233 647494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it this time < 1400911308 857462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what things are worse in JavaScript? < 1400911356 655655 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devil Javascript < 1400911909 278710 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:35b4:e4e:490a:524c JOIN :#esoteric < 1400912006 658175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you make a website as awful at getting information to people as http://www.theatrebayarea.org/events/event_list.asp < 1400912032 753939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be ~one page with all sorts of plays < 1400912056 847198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it was ~4 pages grouped geographically < 1400912060 337269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's 67 pages < 1400912096 202538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing something < 1400912369 392499 :kmels!kmels@190.148.176.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400912859 311819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like what muni did < 1400913142 621162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an announcement: http://www.theatrebayarea.org/news/159235/Welcome-to-Our-New-Website.htm < 1400913713 191982 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1400913974 178101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: While you are letting your guard down / I will be letting myself go / While you keep running your ship aground / I will be setting myself alight < 1400913974 596232 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: reloaded the python plugin. it is implemented... < 1400914315 473864 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:35b4:e4e:490a:524c QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1400914333 55581 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400914349 217846 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400914355 314815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Good answer. < 1400914355 583115 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i still think s/ coming and s/ pheromone/ mark/ blog/ images/ p6_cover_big.gif amusing) < 1400914465 313859 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implement fungot in /// < 1400914465 461048 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: where x y and t is injective. < 1400914492 188465 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400914583 107494 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400914846 880523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why do you know about XPCOM? < 1400914859 519796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Because I worked with it a bit once < 1400914875 285708 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400914895 564221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you make? < 1400915073 715407 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400915073 874768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.theonion.com/video/christ-article-a-video,36101/ < 1400915092 449761 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400915095 613937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400915124 56544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my idea of fun on a friday night is to consume a large amount of alcohol and marijuana and then read the dlopen(3) manpage < 1400915148 627615 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400915188 462833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was modifying a XULrunner program. < 1400915975 285592 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: woohoo dlopen(3) < 1400916014 360829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ < 1400916025 759303 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads it too < 1400916110 289759 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stoned dlopen partay < 1400916118 557766 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sober by now < 1400916126 25901 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar whiskey perhaps < 1400916509 239620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mcpherrin < 1400916515 194522 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1400916713 400772 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I feel like I forget who you are ( I mean, I know you're in the other IRC channel too ) < 1400916769 93211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we've met. < 1400916803 211746 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not :) < 1400916833 533749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen your name before but probably just in IRC and/or Rust contexts. < 1400916878 400650 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh so we're in three overlapping IRC channels :P < 1400917284 624959 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbklosgbyukfxpop QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400918041 323005 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Quit: Saindo < 1400918073 396081 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400918367 205786 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400918940 803638 :password2!~password@197.77.106.224 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400919147 456159 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400919263 127171 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400919361 240422 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400919735 744792 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1400919773 490933 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400919939 111997 :password2!~password@197.77.48.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400920411 402056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 'undefined' and the way it makes errors manifest in the wrong place < 1400920419 816270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no better than mapping a page of zeroes at address zero < 1400922303 682090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1400922305 361937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13formcoin 04exedcoin 07bitacoin 08furncoin 09rigencoin 02penccoin 06inscoin 13ennecoin 04oddycoin 07allecoin 08arbroocoin 09whenecoin 02wjthcoin 06dobridcoin 13sted!coin 04minenreanencoin 07cationcancecoin 08dissantinguadcoin 09bancoin 02warcoin < 1400922778 934547 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever look at some code you wrote and think "why" < 1400922789 105059 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why the hell did I think this would be a good idea" < 1400922989 417649 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1400923337 775256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400923376 831059 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lambda shapes: all([shape in self.ships for shape in shapes])" < 1400923417 986194 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400923576 249050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's numberwang < 1400923637 715426 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This line (which was written by me) came from something I was doing from a friend, for a competition where we had to write in Python. < 1400923663 160086 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was originally largely based on his earlier C++ code, with parts based on my earlier Haskell code. < 1400923692 283118 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point we renamed a bunch of things from "shape" to "ship" or possibly the other way round, but we were horribly incomplete about it all < 1400923787 893100 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of it was then written by a very over-tired me < 1400923820 456336 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of it I have had to justify as "it came to me in a dream" because that's what it felt like. < 1400923879 222071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think that line is shipshape. < 1400923883 969042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1400923892 550461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Himc. < 1400923923 436799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange it is to be anything at all < 1400923994 913972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My next "hi" will probably be from Kyoto, incidentally. < 1400924009 867930 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1400924051 896039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can't say "hi" back because it'd make me a liar. :/ < 1400924067 987519 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evil laughter) < 1400924132 576035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just remember: SUNTORY BOSS is the boss of them all since 1992 < 1400924527 968146 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400925536 927060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The connection from solving systems of polynomial equations to Gröbner bases is as follows: if X (a vector of real numbers) is a solution of P_i(X) = 0 for 1 <= i <= n, then any polynomial Q in the ideal I = _{1 <= i <= m} has X as a solution. Now the Gröbner basis B of I is a subset of I, so X is also a solution of the set of equations given by B. Furthermore, B generates I, which contains all P_i, so any... < 1400925542 920863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...solution to the equations in B is also a solution of each P_i. So B has the same set of solutions as the original polynomials. But the polynomials in B are often (maybe always, but I don't see why. did I mention that I'm not an expert on Gröbner bases?) easier to solve than the original ones, because by a suitable choice of order on monomials it's possible to separate variables (so you get a polynomial in x_1, then one... < 1400925548 925130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in x_1 and x_2, then one in x_1 to x_3, and so on). < 1400925647 200826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs int-e  < 1400925681 616501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1400925741 694372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400925825 516949 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1400927381 523148 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400927753 105760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400928059 854140 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hevisaurus is a Finnish heavy metal children's music band, who dress in dinosaur costumes." < 1400928203 392596 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400928206 539345 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1400928838 735119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: There was a schism in the Hevisaurusverse, I remember reading about it. < 1400928848 183022 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1400928853 942650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Something about current rightsholders and the original founder and blah blah this and costumes that. < 1400928877 271240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess the wiki article mentions it. < 1400928889 547414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In early 2011, the founder of the band, Mirka Rantanen, got into a disagreement with the band's record label Sony Music. Because of this, Rantanen and three other band members belonging to the band's live assembly founded a new band called SauruXet, which has continued making children's power metal music with the original concept and nearly identical artist names. The band Hevisaurus keeps ... < 1400928895 237380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... its lead singer, its producers and the original stage costumes." < 1400929047 62399 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400929383 481481 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400929678 74182 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400931297 476582 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400931659 908654 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1400933174 358995 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400933583 186913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39668&oldid=39559 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+302) 10/* My optimizing interpreter again */ < 1400933748 407790 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400933909 742433 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400933917 727771 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39669&oldid=39668 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+169) 10/* My optimizing interpreter again */ < 1400934113 381368 :password2!~password@197.77.48.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400934868 943161 :password2!~password@197.77.43.197 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400935267 233116 :password2!~password@197.77.43.197 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400935687 899110 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1400936655 475468 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400938569 422378 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1400938577 572546 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1400938707 227645 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400938787 427726 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400939553 992498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400940182 285619 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400940484 461054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400940616 420367 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400940765 611997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true, that sometimes I have written some program code and think, why would I think it is good idea at the time? < 1400940932 191214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto hell; // it seemed a good idea at the time < 1400941008 657497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have used "goto hell" in a few programs in error handlers, and do not consider it so bad < 1400941020 23424 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kainzxrparzfmzkh JOIN :#esoteric < 1400941208 966503 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :systemd < 1400941240 455305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1400941630 199664 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400941812 398730 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400941911 442803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ooh, don't tell ais about that < 1400943034 104270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400943060 477365 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400943072 595235 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400943105 708236 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1400943190 325488 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1400943554 672982 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400943732 818956 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400943815 938385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ripley once went to Hell on the suggestion that he go there several times. < 1400943829 713930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is a place in Norway.) < 1400944078 980817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just a few minutes' drive from there, actually < 1400944104 970257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's next to trondheim's airport. < 1400944121 905435 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Hell is Trondheim's Heathrow < 1400944142 415376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Hell is next to Trondheim's Heathrow, which is name Værnes. < 1400944148 72489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*named < 1400944148 699813 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK < 1400944216 603600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 minutes walk to the airport, i read in an article about the Blues in Hell festival (very small but praised festival) < 1400944262 469144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also recalled someone once suggested renaming the airport to Hell airport instead. i think it's like on the border between the two villages. < 1400944300 212779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well Værnes might count as a town, but Hell is smaller.) < 1400944372 451077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course with a name like that and extremely good connectivity a festival just has to be successful. < 1400944376 388959 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Hel in Poland < 1400944383 759256 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a Hell in Jamaica? < 1400944400 901226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think that was mentioned last time we discussed this < 1400944423 731601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a Hell in Pennsylvania < 1400944425 978095 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably by me :) < 1400944443 977369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible < 1400944526 63490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn there i go talking before opening the logs again < 1400944557 294933 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400944579 796475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE's search makes it awkward to go to hits on my nick that aren't close to the beginning or end of the file, so now i have to click past everything i just said) < 1400944610 518346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in IE 8 it was easy, i could just click in the document to tell it to start searching there :( < 1400944637 854731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously they thought that was too conven*Wconfusing < 1400944742 853259 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you use the F7 cursor mode? < 1400944825 367590 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400944835 285407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is that.... < 1400944892 457476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, no effect. in fact the cursor was already where i had clicked, just invisible. < 1400944923 92988 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400945280 697569 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3,4,] // DIE IE8 DIE < 1400945731 457264 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400945741 567814 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400945873 681355 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to see the new X-Men film tonight < 1400946206 890820 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400946355 192070 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400946365 941879 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1400946368 625727 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400946404 845856 :systemd!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :sign < 1400946464 277869 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400946533 557037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh, what a coincidence, so am i < 1400946622 460886 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it would be amusing if by some bizarre coincidence we ended up sitting next to eachother < 1400946623 667855 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1400946630 627445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bizarre coincidence would be more amusing < 1400946640 551499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you would travel to York to watch a movie < 1400946655 194968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't see why anyone would travel to leamington spa, ever < 1400946701 977739 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where even is that < 1400946717 857193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much glued to warwick the town < 1400946740 115915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glue is some weird clay with healing properties, clearly > 1400947106 981397 JOIN :#esoteric > 1400947111 63891 JOIN :#esoteric > 1400947111 571844 JOIN :#esoteric > 1400947132 99702 JOIN :#esoteric > 1400947136 171951 JOIN :#esoteric > 1400947136 680300 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400947140 969959 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1400947146 4445 :kornbluth.freenode.net NOTICE #esoteric :[freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots -- please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup < 1400947236 896495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murdoch_Mysteries < 1400947236 898391 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the same person < 1400947236 898458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1400947236 898484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1400947248 704063 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1400947283 402636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his death 60 years earlier was clearly faked > 1400947492 622159 JOIN :#esoteric > 1400947496 691719 JOIN :#esoteric > 1400947497 200783 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400947509 92275 :glogbot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400947531 456333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: STAY PUT < 1400947634 56238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like anyone posted any 40 line rant about the sorry apathy in the European Parliament in the 12 seconds glogbot was absent < 1400947812 403553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1400947812 460564 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1400947821 202715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i think you have a job to do < 1400947822 695671 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: six questions have been received. in view of such negligence, we are going to vote tomorrow on a cursory text. the proposal put forward and the conditions in which the fnord world, in east asia opens up an appalling vista. this is also a fellow countryman. there is extremely wide agreement in the committee before on mr cassidy's report linking the need for our proposals to a very low sulphur content, unlike mediterranea < 1400947859 8972 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first two sentences are nice < 1400947875 626202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that europarl was also infested by that f-word though < 1400947899 881143 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a brainfuck JIT, it works with Hello world and a few other simple examples, but it seems to be crapping itself with longer programs, like bottles to the wall < 1400947971 397643 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone wanna take a look? < 1400947984 785707 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1400947999 363016 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400948002 504129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of Segmentation fault (core dumped) < 1400948046 275352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our jit expert never seems to be active these days. < 1400948114 258085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be curious what the code looks like but I'm not optimistic about actually spotting bugs. < 1400948144 745228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who would that be? < 1400948162 262756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be Gregor < 1400948179 955189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, making a jit for IOCCC makes you an expert, right? < 1400948203 43266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that and winning < 1400948214 128222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to someone who has never made a jit at all, certainly :) < 1400948250 529393 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tsk tsk < 1400948255 169911 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an expert in all hackery things. < 1400948262 876615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Is the koth hill still active? < 1400948274 798571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I submitted something days ago but I havent received any feedback < 1400948364 165235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how can you be idle for 4 days and still see pings < 1400948369 730282 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: definitely still active. You need to submit the program in the body of the email and ensure the email is plain text. < 1400948389 554420 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Just because I'm not chatting on IRC doesn't mean I'm not online. < 1400948396 123535 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: also, there's the SAL hills which have a beginner hill. < 1400948410 652674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also, i'm still grieving for HackEgo's lack of log search ;_; < 1400948414 545733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. < 1400948425 380848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be the case that Outlook Web App prefers sending html :) < 1400948436 913491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, MY CHANNEL MEMORY IS GOING, I CAN FEEL IT < 1400948541 776390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: anyway M28 needs code review for his buggy bf jit twh < 1400948562 494959 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a sec, fixing a bug with getchar < 1400948643 329118 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400948644 759170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like that you removed the log access from HackEgo. When will you fix that? < 1400948760 635067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now Gregor remembers why he never speaks on the channel any more) < 1400948784 606726 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1400948825 412367 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you an internet expert, too? < 1400948836 426050 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm an expert in all hackery things. < 1400948875 800798 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you aren't dead and your last name isn't Jong-il, right? < 1400948894 441518 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No comment. < 1400948905 656847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor never said that he invented the Internet, as far as I know. < 1400948967 339384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you install SQLite on HackEgo? < 1400948967 601023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it _somewhat_ unlikely that kim jong-il said that. < 1400948984 393614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only because north korea doesn't have internet < 1400948993 799176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's claimed to be "an internet expert too" < 1400948997 796208 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/10/05/north-korea-kim-jong-il-im-internet-expert/ < 1400949003 777426 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...according to Fox news, I notice < 1400949007 332473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400949013 109199 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sqlite3 < 1400949013 576977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sqlite3: not found < 1400949019 81833 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :... hm. < 1400949031 353213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They have internet? < 1400949050 900987 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/8ZgV6/e9826ca5cb.png < 1400949052 787387 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ops < 1400949056 741187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just recently read in a paper that they have a handful (<5) PCs with internet connection < 1400949057 172962 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong key < 1400949057 880855 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400949063 199952 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/8ZgVX/48c18d9d9f.txt < 1400949069 346294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least plan to have them. Can't remember exactly :( < 1400949072 575760 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's C++ < 1400949078 977751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: still, he probably didn't claim to invent it. < 1400949084 804849 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sqlite3 < 1400949090 419281 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"," is broken for whatever reason < 1400949115 372446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite version 3.7.13 2012-06-11 02:05:22 \ Enter ".help" for instructions \ Enter SQL statements terminated with a ";" \ sqlite> < 1400949124 467516 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^^^ < 1400949127 799703 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read that some of the .kp domains now point to servers in north korea < 1400949131 951673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it works now < 1400949135 811977 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas earlier they were hosted in Germany IIRC < 1400949201 55383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent, Gregor is also our local C++ expert < 1400949221 808873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: what about programs that contain more than 127 < or > signs in a row? < 1400949232 480899 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, no one actually cares >_> < 1400949240 463433 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1400949254 466482 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably split it once it hits 127 < 1400949270 424391 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't exactly know x86 machine code by its hex X-D < 1400949282 871616 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft < 1400949317 598444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could now use this SQLite to write programs for polls and various other things < 1400949334 654922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: it's just that this might actually happen if the brainfuck code is generated by some sort of compiler. < 1400949343 315110 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1400949356 431983 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a B to Brainfuck compiler once < 1400949370 425637 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(B is the language that comes before C, really) < 1400949395 379054 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to eventually rewrite the JIT to optimize code generated by the compiler < 1400949402 692590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any clues whether a stack-based programming language with one Register (stack contains register values, so no stacks of stacks, register are bounded in size) with random read access to the stack could be turing complete or not? < 1400949442 735757 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is register unbounded? < 1400949449 206496 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$d < 1400949453 250399 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you even need a register if you have a stack, as long as you can push, pop, add, etc. on the stack < 1400949457 695492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: the [ case looks wrong: you have to test for zero before the first loop iteration < 1400949477 865318 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, wait what < 1400949487 466801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a while loop, not a do while loop < 1400949487 815601 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400949489 849149 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1400949493 514274 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1400949497 935049 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot about that ;_; < 1400949513 602193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an unconditional jump to the ] code will do the trick) < 1400949522 140023 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is the random read access like in false? < 1400949530 262580 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is looking ahead < 1400949543 735260 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, thanks < 1400949549 217060 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me if you can spot anything wrong in , < 1400949552 250595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: reserve space for the destination, patch it up in the ] case. < 1400949556 818309 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1400949560 946956 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm gonna do < 1400949561 430782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that is not TC because your stack addresses become bounded as well... < 1400949568 485511 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You can treat the stack as a "tape" for read access < 1400949580 944155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e you can move around in the stack brainfuck-style with < and > < 1400949598 609385 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no "addresses" < 1400949601 329356 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, I think one could do that, by simulating a queue < 1400949644 749016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only write access is push/pop/peek < 1400949651 151882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the logs would still be on, then we can also copy the logs into SQL format in order to query them by use of SQL queries.) < 1400949653 169986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: a stack doesn't give you turing-completeness unless the stack cells are unbounded. you get just a pushdown automaton. < 1400949653 784479 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1400949661 406759 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually just push and peek < 1400949663 509691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't pop < 1400949709 57329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can push the register, peek the top of the stack, or read a specific element of the stack < 1400949742 521983 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(peek and read overwrite the register's contents) < 1400949750 315618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: what happens with the INT3 in there? < 1400949824 278603 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it's a break point < 1400949829 130951 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using it to debug < 1400949837 14810 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't this work: you keep the peek pointer in the "start of queue" and when you dequeue, you just move the ptr one topwards < 1400949868 557800 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enqueueing could be done with just the push < 1400949879 991457 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would build up a lot of garbage, tho < 1400949899 247995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/ZcodA1m2 <- that's my sketch so far < 1400949904 984155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: oh that looks good < 1400949923 850693 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the no-auto-commit-mode < 1400949931 297141 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in auto-commit mode + - automatically perform a push < 1400949966 710236 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1400949967 302788 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1400949976 559339 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/8ZhWl/2b2e2efac9.txt < 1400949984 536585 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's able to run 99 bottles of beer to the wall < 1400949989 990551 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's incredibly fast :p < 1400949994 962906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: now try lostkingdom *cackles evilly* < 1400949999 452628 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to fix , < 1400950016 184720 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo? < 1400950019 577755 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ops < 1400950021 308029 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?* < 1400950037 605387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: adventure game compiled to brainfuck < 1400950060 572216 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400950066 382548 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to fix "," first < 1400950089 37570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the biggest brainfuck program seriously made < 1400950095 8000 :password2!~password@197.77.35.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400950115 125752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really much of a brainfuck program. < 1400950115 271409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Anyway, I should be going < 1400950207 508725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: I don't know what's wrong with the getchar. I'd compile and disassemble a C program that makes a call to getchar and, say, prints the answer. < 1400950226 442622 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a cdecl call < 1400950251 734261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and I have not checked the opcodes) < 1400950274 486259 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getchar not working? < 1400950275 878991 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, they're fine < 1400950356 389476 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/8ZikE/4295510bcf.png < 1400950367 125637 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the first lines of "-,+[-[>>++++[>++++++++<-]<+<-[>+>+>-[>"... < 1400950399 195627 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first 5 instructions is just the start of the JIT code < 1400950469 427759 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1400950470 408841 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1400950472 58345 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it works... < 1400950474 145396 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1400950478 188997 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call it magic < 1400950574 917728 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's run the lost kingdom now < 1400950666 711729 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :msvc crashed < 1400950667 553200 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1400950678 421163 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I tried to save the lost kingdom into the source code < 1400950683 454547 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just read it from a file < 1400950766 222427 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400950889 213395 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400950957 451821 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400951008 868473 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1400951018 639403 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/8Zj1F/96d44324c6.png < 1400951117 847973 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat < 1400951168 474047 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400951186 930698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like some line breaks are omitted in the list of objects in room < 1400951242 568788 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that cmd.exe only recognizes \r\n line brekas < 1400951244 698916 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaks* < 1400951250 756635 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's printing \n line breaks < 1400951331 776790 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is the peek pointer relative to top of stack or to bottom of stack? < 1400951369 584448 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://puu.sh/8Zjq0/ef2f4fa7ea.png < 1400951742 180824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually from what I could tell, in text mode it will work with just \n and convert to \r\n. Also, I don't think it is related only to cmd.exe; it is part of the Windows command-window environment in general. < 1400951770 466611 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1400951786 934417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not quite sure though. < 1400952105 478000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't putchar('\n') produce \r\n? < 1400952131 329894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on that platform) < 1400952218 348601 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, yeah I made a wrapper for that < 1400952239 875785 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Matheus28/BrainJIT/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L15 < 1400952266 992394 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1400952301 775959 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: did you try that koth hill again? < 1400952373 663712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: the lost kingdom *does* contain long runs of > and <. < 1400952395 913734 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I did fix that < 1400952406 186795 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Matheus28/BrainJIT/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L95 < 1400952449 225024 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400952450 765581 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way < 1400952458 881455 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing isn't really written in brainfuck, is it? < 1400952461 91785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400952481 234475 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I hope someone wrote it in another language, and wrote a compiler to brainfuck for it < 1400952514 114986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: but something is going wrong: In that hut, all I see is "a small wooden box of matches sitting on the table (2)" < 1400952552 755288 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: iirc it was written in bfbasic < 1400952572 272815 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any error, where do you see that? < 1400952613 599758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: running LostKng.b in a "normal" brainfuck interpreter < 1400952665 492868 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose long descriptions there < 1400952673 760794 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has short descriptions http://puu.sh/8Zjq0/ef2f4fa7ea.png < 1400952681 178890 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the text is reworded < 1400952685 300247 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using the same version? < 1400952687 768213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/lk.png < 1400952719 844396 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400952720 974399 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1400952728 915882 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, tbh < 1400952763 84471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha1sum says 587dc8ebf682dd78f413ebf599ca0552c1d7bdcc LostKng.b for LostKng.b btw. < 1400952778 643779 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1400952831 10650 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1400952836 738685 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take a look at it later < 1400952839 546889 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda tired atm < 1400953035 245707 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I did < 1400953047 586529 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400953048 465803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: relative to the top < 1400953076 110966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't got an answer though so far < 1400953099 835529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's been more than an hour < 1400953740 54130 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1400954414 349538 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400954694 336420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think there is a Hell in Pennsylvania < 1400954703 317277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a town that has been on fire since 1962 < 1400954709 400120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania < 1400954883 268147 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd how there is a Reading in Pennsylvania < 1400955477 256505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that odd < 1400955794 458387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :code I wrote 2 years ago that has mfence() in various places with no explanation < 1400955797 537112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B| < 1400955958 605431 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1400955967 519493 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks. < 1400955996 948131 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/the instances of it in the code/ < 1400956219 585179 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400956326 349363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that is the question isn't it < 1400956423 320082 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it stop working if they are removed < 1400956592 900219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fine question < 1400956611 282326 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400956663 584045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not something I can easily test < 1400956706 984708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: isn't it a bit dangerous to assume that it is working now? < 1400956790 238779 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400956812 853374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one reason it's hard to tell if it stops working < 1400957291 702466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does mosh make a ^G when it reconnects? < 1400957734 786514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1400957738 6972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Meta Turing-complete14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39670&oldid=30910 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+202) 10/* ℒ */ < 1400957741 679606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it < 1400957761 599110 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/shelajev/status/469735994464690177/photo/1/large so easy < 1400957831 107972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well does it work to make a key using a 3D printer? Can it be done if you only have the lock and not the original key? I tried to make a copy of a key in the ordinary way but it did not work; maybe it is a copy of a copy. < 1400957880 187179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the ordinary way? < 1400957946 430897 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just mean a tumbler < 1400957947 497114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By giving the key to the locksmith and having them use their machine to do it. < 1400957977 335686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of thet times I've cut keys by hand, I did it by loading a lock with the appropriate pins and then filing away bits of the key until it turns < 1400957988 407054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicating a key by hand directly from another key is harder < 1400957993 23595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've done it < 1400958075 536723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, key copying machines often do a poor job < 1400958097 483818 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of key was the one you copies by hand? < 1400958116 581915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing quite like a lovingly hand-cut key < 1400958165 371725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not restricted to the usual key shapes < 1400958185 222952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can cut a perfectly smooth spline between the control points < 1400958205 407491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I don't remember specifically which key I duplicated by hand directly < 1400958302 807896 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400958339 499897 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400958361 630976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly I have hand-made master keys for various buildings and tunnels at Caltech < 1400958391 736988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without having another master key to work from < 1400958423 461533 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you construct those? actually, how do master keys word in general < 1400958428 902711 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+? < 1400958486 399748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez the word "tumbler" looks weird with an e < 1400958510 13513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know why it would but whenever I resume my computer from suspend, and also just now when my Internet connection came back, I hear a bell sound. < 1400958510 461070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here's how a pin tumbler lock works: http://i.imgur.com/pEQoB9a.gif < 1400958542 326169 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400958546 471566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn how to make the key from using only the lock, so that I can try to ensure I have a key that works, rather than the copy that doesn't work. I can't use their key, because it doesn't belong to me; but I am authorized to use the lock. < 1400958550 139492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a master key system, some of those columns contain 3 or more metal cylinders, so that it can open at 2 or more different heights < 1400958561 623665 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1400958605 300388 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400958630 95232 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1400958637 876121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take the lock out of a door, disassemble it (quickly and quietly in the middle of the night in a bathroom or out of the way machine room or something) < 1400958643 790256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and measure all the bits with calipers < 1400958660 957556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do this for a few different locks in the same master domain; compute the unique key which opens all of them < 1400958739 427653 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I’ve seen a key (that I believe is a master key) that has a row of round indentations in the side close to the top edge. < 1400958802 684039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400958810 60808 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do those do? < 1400958845 226614 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400958983 963551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about those specifically, but there are various high-security key systems that have another coding mechanism besides pin heights < 1400959061 900689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly I know about the Medeco system, which rotates each pin to one of three angles in addition to lifting it < 1400959064 785105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://modernlock.com/medeco.jpg < 1400959121 719445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does more than increase the number of combinations by a factor of 6*3 < 1400959126 624803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes picking much much harder < 1400959175 507432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :picking depends on getting the lock to a state where there's just one particular part which is prevent it from turning the next little bit < 1400959204 73255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do this when there are multiple orthogonal mechanisms preventing it from turning < 1400959307 407394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's just hard to manipulate the pin rotations with standard lockpicking tools < 1400959343 653160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was never very good at lockpicking, anyway < 1400959372 452614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unauthorized medeco keys are not particularly hard to make (claims of the manufacturer notwithstanding) < 1400959415 77165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :measuring and cutting the rotations is easy, and they must be the same for every key in a master domain < 1400959516 903451 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, apparently abloy locks are hard to pick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_tumbler_lock) < 1400959607 725102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :medeco also assigns a different keyway shape to each customer (from some finite set, presumably) and tries to restrict who can buy blanks of which shape < 1400959616 158227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is not a very effective measure < 1400959616 417501 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses abloy locks < 1400959639 56302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy blanks from sketchy companies in china that are close enough, and then cut them to fit by hand or using a dremel < 1400959639 903183 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :medeco blank restriction is somewhat effective against casual key-copying < 1400959657 440494 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't abloy locks kind of universal or is my perspective skewed by me being a fin? < 1400959661 651166 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+n < 1400959672 330817 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that's a scandanavian thing; they're much less available worldwide < 1400959674 121911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the latter < 1400959681 827556 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic séo < 1400959685 918866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah douglass_ was telling me about abloy locks; apparently they are very hard to hax < 1400959695 113723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you cannot use key cutting tools, would you be able to use 3D printers to duplicate it? Probably you would need more sophisticated 3D models of the key in such a case than ordinary keys, but maybe it can still be used sometimes? I don't know how well it would work at all < 1400959696 707899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she has more key-fu than i do < 1400959706 102469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I think you can use 3D printers to duplicate keys < 1400959711 9087 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Medeco a lock vendor? < 1400959713 304011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400959715 937213 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abloy 20/70 is my favourite padlock < 1400959718 151458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1400959752 261849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could also use a 3D printer to do a variation of the master key privilege escalation that doesn't require disassembling any locks < 1400959769 615669 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can also copy medeco keys onto plastic sheets easily enough; we used spent gift cards a lot < 1400959812 712518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a legit key for some door in the building, you can fabricate a set of ~50 keys to test, and from which ones open the door you can compute the master key < 1400959819 275119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: haha, that's awesome < 1400959829 947947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those strong enough to turn the tumbler, or do you use it with a tension tool < 1400959851 604025 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can turn the tumbler with them < 1400959861 584653 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very limited-use though, only opens a lock 3-4 times < 1400959867 669222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1400959909 373785 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah keyway doesn't matter when you can just force the plastic in and it conforms :p < 1400959918 11791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, what I am trying to do isn't duplicate a key (since I tried it and it didn't work). I wonder if I can make a working key from only the lock (without breaking, disassembling, or uninstalling it). I tried to copy a working key but the copy didn't work; maybe it is a copy of a copy, or something like that? I don't really know why it doesn't work. < 1400959968 693656 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so it depends how you copy a key: If you're using a key cutter that follows an existing one, you definitely lose fidelity < 1400959984 569689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the advantage of cutting from another lock loaded with the right pins is that it quantizes the heights to the 10 or so official heights < 1400959995 744462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/- variation in the pins and other components, of course < 1400960001 514978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this prevents the copy-of-a-copy problem < 1400960028 590130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are key duplicating machines that will cut by code rather than just following the profile of an existing key < 1400960040 563159 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ricklab.com/keymart/images/ta_lkgks.jpg < 1400960049 996442 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can get a thing like this and use it to read out the code for the key < 1400960054 473024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1400960068 805459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kwikset" is a hilarious name for a brand of locks :3 < 1400960080 144516 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then if you have a CNC mill (who doesn't), you can easily CNC a new key perfectly < 1400960084 359660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: have you seen https://keysduplicated.com/ < 1400960090 61564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think they use a CNC mill < 1400960105 510841 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha yeah, I was considering writing an open source version < 1400960112 614258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a HTTP API for ordering keys o_O < 1400960143 510807 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for kwikset keys since that's what I'm most familiar with < 1400960175 7408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait ... they collect key profiles together with addresses? what could possibly go wrong?! < 1400960188 988953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where would you go to get them to cut by code? < 1400960198 635505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure < 1400960200 440634 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: most lock smiths should be able to do that < 1400960205 98506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :become a locksmith? < 1400960211 988296 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a real lock smith, not a teenager in the corner of a hardware store < 1400960215 744298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a locksmith or a lock supply shop can at least tell you where to go < 1400960229 858627 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cna probably order them on the internet < 1400960238 230178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :silk road < 1400960273 405050 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write a program that generates a picture of the key and uploads it to keysduplicated.com ;P < 1400960275 313666 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they could deliver the keys to your table < 1400960291 627538 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you're feeling like a lot of tedium, you could file the key yourself. < 1400960299 837129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that does sound convenient. < 1400960310 79167 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *easy*, but you can just take a file to a key blank. < 1400960319 772944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was espousing the virtues of that approach before < 1400960326 786240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: Yes, interesting idea, if you have a good 3D rendering software!! < 1400960328 80406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:01 < kmc> there's nothing quite like a lovingly hand-cut key < 1400960331 328245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:02 < kmc> you're not restricted to the usual key shapes < 1400960334 178735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:03 < kmc> you can cut a perfectly smooth spline between the control points < 1400960347 203273 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmmmm interesting point < 1400960367 281019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :) < 1400960380 172951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a lot of social infrastructure at my school for encouraging frosh to do this kind of thing and teaching them how < 1400960438 536075 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get a key gauge and some blanks < 1400960444 240548 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make myself some bespoke keys :p < 1400960452 628863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, take pics of somebody else's keys and have them delivered to your home < 1400960454 119706 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400960521 557853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terms of service are cute. "You may only use this service to copy keys that you are authorized to copy." and "You may not use this service as a locksmithing service, and agree to use Shloosl only to duplicate existing keys." < 1400960535 893725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a rule that you shouldn't cut keys from data you haven't measured yourself, even though you could get it from someone else < 1400960549 188555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to keep alive the skills of obtaining said data < 1400960640 996583 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm kinda tempted to buy a http://www.amazon.com/Lab-LKG001-5-N-1-Key-Gauge/dp/B000ZHB31I < 1400960709 340139 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU < 1400960723 38009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was also a kind of secret society / occult knowlegde thing < 1400960740 99124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keegan of 2005 would be aghast that I am telling you all of this stuff < 1400960760 453332 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: key copying is secret society stuff? lolwut < 1400960777 168435 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess for anybody who hasn't been to maker faire or defcon or ... < 1400960787 301659 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or hung out with hardware store employees....) < 1400960800 139850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu locksmiths are still unhappy about books being published about lockpicking < 1400960822 355724 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, that cat is long out of the bag < 1400960832 205801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: that was the culture at my university < 1400960862 136488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one house which did most of the key hacking and tried to keep stuff secret from non-members < 1400960882 306160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the general principles of lockpicking etc. are easy enough to find online < 1400960891 631340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but things like details of how to make suitable medeco blanks, or that this could even be done < 1400960897 312851 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: heh, we did the oppsite in univeristy < 1400960898 14411 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:cd30:c743:fdd1:10ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1400960905 625628 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flyer bombed campus with instructions on how to do things < 1400960910 489661 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure everybody knows! < 1400960912 338624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think at the time, Medeco claimed it was impossible, and there wasn't so much information online as now) < 1400960915 248859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1400960917 788980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome < 1400960960 94056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who were taking and manufacturing illegal drugs were a lot less discreet than the people making keys :P < 1400960979 486590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time, campus security didn't really give a shit about the former < 1400960981 824672 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a "student newspaper" < 1400960997 194974 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was us sneaking into photocopy rooms and making an issue < 1400961012 847407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :samizdat, good < 1400961029 952030 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly < 1400961032 153536 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400961038 695890 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always up for some good samizday < 1400961042 313651 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always up for some good samizdat < 1400961072 790296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey mcpherrin you should write something like http://subterfugue.org/ but for Linux 3.x and in Rust < 1400961097 363001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/rtld-audit.7.html is another fun way to screw with programs < 1400961162 827231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thing that ais made for nethack TASes again? < 1400961186 239344 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google nethack tas tools < 1400961187 78941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gitorious.org/nethack-tas-tools < 1400961220 722662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm thinking of something else < 1400961410 293532 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go buy new bike shoeees < 1400961468 419722 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400961705 738570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do bikes need shoes < 1400961718 906099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean tires < 1400961753 502918 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean shoes for me to wear while on a bike < 1400961899 682789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1400961917 894505 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though tires are like shoes for a bike < 1400962016 163530 :password2!~password@197.77.35.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400962243 210841 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you put on tires on the bike, does it get tired? < 1400962297 870516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be getting tyred in British English, hth. < 1400962371 973383 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn’t Tyre a place in Lebanon? < 1400962409 484930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what Wikipedia just told me. < 1400963357 947141 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400964367 182515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39671&oldid=39665 5* 03Icepy 5* (+3) 10 < 1400964393 585009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39672&oldid=39671 5* 03Icepy 5* (+17) 10 < 1400964759 657893 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400965338 605754 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400965419 558286 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400965430 222721 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400965525 99068 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400965537 903598 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400965592 508820 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400965704 853450 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400965794 310197 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:cd30:c743:fdd1:10ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400966147 69808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39673&oldid=39672 5* 03Icepy 5* (+838) 10 < 1400966198 283556 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400966731 164094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39674&oldid=39673 5* 03Icepy 5* (+25) 10 < 1400967067 145915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39675&oldid=39674 5* 03Icepy 5* (+40) 10 < 1400967145 265051 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I tried to think of ways to make a better lock just now. < 1400967181 321112 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought, what if each key had to be in a specific shape that encodes some data, and then the lock just works by mechanically reading off the data from the key such that it can only turn if the data is correct? < 1400967183 391700 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just throw bricks at anyone with a lockpick < 1400967193 465218 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Course, that's what a cylinder lock is. < 1400967211 894678 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or throw bricks at anyone with a brick, since they could use the brick to break a window. < 1400967250 49838 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great thing about throwing bricks at people who have bricks is that they're likely to throw bricks at you, making it impossible for them to use those bricks to break windows. < 1400967271 323950 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the known non-brute-force methods of attacking a cylinder lock? Picking and bumping? Are there others? < 1400967381 124442 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what level of nested wheres does haskell starting to get ugly? < 1400967391 281756 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephrase readably plz < 1400967393 337441 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400967404 329711 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On what level of nested wheres does Haskell start to get ugly? < 1400967404 599904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_: you may know the answer to What are the known non-brute-force methods of attacking a cylinder lock? Picking and bumping? Are there others? < 1400967415 419729 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressioning < 1400967418 617734 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1400967428 55431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lockwiki.com/index.php/Impressioning#Manipulation-based_Impressioning < 1400967464 769663 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: mho: the maximum indentation level is six stops, assuming each stop is four columns. < 1400967469 329554 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you fill the lock with a magnetic fluid and manipulate it magneticallly until it opens, then freeze the liquid?? < 1400967471 964407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: amusingly, attacking a lock with "brute force" could mean two different things < 1400967479 990169 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hm, true. < 1400967481 974873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you don't mean enumerating all the keys < 1400967492 224008 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could let the key melt later, so, the perfect crime < 1400967494 809887 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I mean actual brutish force. < 1400967501 878547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have a legit non-master key, you can do a tractable enumeration to get the master key < 1400967504 826456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I described above < 1400967514 521475 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had better luck with it than bumping, but never got it to work on more than 4 pins. Though maybe this, like bumping, is a method that works better with well-made locks, and my practice lock was shit. < 1400967549 540402 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed the movie < 1400967569 829917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I have a fantasy of a device with an electrical probe that uses time-domain reflectometry to measure pins without removing or disassembling the lock < 1400967574 958383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if this is practical < 1400967583 895532 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what movie? < 1400967585 220225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I liked the idea of looking at keys of several locks that have the same master key < 1400967612 465843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that works sometimes, yeah < 1400967624 76769 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the new X-Men film < 1400967624 908458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the new X-Men film < 1400967631 203574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to make some assumptions about how the master keying is done, which don't always hold < 1400967639 114979 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a law stating that trespassing is legal if you do it in a sufficiently clever and interesting way. < 1400967653 309122 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fun fact, most shapes that will open a lock aren't easily removable from it afterwards < 1400967665 824829 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. < 1400967681 501294 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :countering my attack before i thought of it. very clever, locksmiths < 1400967688 332884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should acquire a lock and try to pick it < 1400967695 388899 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to smooth out a key I made once. It resulted in an awkward situation. < 1400967718 837229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it already works that way; if you get caught you were not "clever" enough. < 1400967742 61400 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me that i don't understand the lock my car uses. the key is a flat bar with a curvy depression down the middle < 1400967750 933094 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh yeah. < 1400967770 410494 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. You should be able to call off the investigation by filing a report. < 1400967788 260383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can also imagine noninvasive imaging of the lock, but I'm not sure what kind will work < 1400967796 599429 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Oh, an internal cut key. Neat. < 1400967832 146281 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes that seems to be it < 1400967841 426650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39676&oldid=39675 5* 03Icepy 5* (+192) 10 < 1400967855 105374 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mechanism is pretty mundane on those, I'm pretty sure. < 1400967875 117004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the housing will block x-rays < 1400967903 903177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's metal so MRI is no good < 1400967907 965978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ultrasound < 1400967943 396472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39677&oldid=39676 5* 03Icepy 5* (-6) 10 < 1400967962 371759 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make some sort of electrical wave inside a conductive material, right? < 1400967972 8630 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, obviously you can transmit signals through wires. < 1400967973 647978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39678&oldid=39677 5* 03Icepy 5* (+6) 10 < 1400967980 273876 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it mostly wants to go on the surface < 1400967982 159761 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1400967992 853990 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the skin effect? < 1400968014 909987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could put a radioactive substance inside the keyway, or bombard the lock with neutrons until it's radioactive < 1400968049 583993 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Place a neutrino source on one side of the lock and a neutrino detector on the other side. < 1400968052 731802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1400968072 953431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39679&oldid=39678 5* 03Icepy 5* (+48) 10 < 1400968092 314852 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a neutrino source and detector of nontrivial power then I think that lockpicking is the least of your priorities. < 1400968102 994055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could vibrate a pin up and down very quickly and maybe measure something < 1400968196 959749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq probably doesn't like my plan to train a slime mold to climb in and then climb out and reproduce the shape, either < 1400968214 453751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I imagine that the key lifts pins by some sort of hook that moves along the internal cut. < 1400968216 893976 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, here's an idea. < 1400968231 445412 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fill the lock with some sort of gel that sets permanently but remains soft. < 1400968248 840466 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the gel sets, pull it out, and it'll return to the shape of the air spaces inside the lock. < 1400968286 767148 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39680&oldid=39679 5* 03Icepy 5* (-225) 10 < 1400968300 364582 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, it must be possible, in theory, to create a "sound camera" that creates an image of where sound is coming from. < 1400968328 221764 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my other plan to determine the initial condition of the universal wavefunction by observing cosmic background, and then use this to determine the history of the universe up to the point where the lock is being made < 1400968349 481806 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frsrs, ultrasound. < 1400968416 347082 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my other other plan to take over ZEVS in a daring military operation, and carefully measure the distortion of ELF waves through the lock < 1400968440 558428 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1400968470 269549 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's ignore noninvasive imagining for the moment; that's boring. So, locks can be defeated by picking. Use the behavior of the lock to measure the code one pin at a time. < 1400968511 530603 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could make it so that the cylinder turns as long as the pins are in a valid position, but it doesn't turn all the way unless they're all in the correct position. < 1400968513 567209 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: if you have access to both sides of the lock, somehow I think picking it is a bit redundant < 1400968549 952797 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not necessarily. I can access both the north side of a building and the south side of a building without being able to access the interior. < 1400968575 494577 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, true < 1400968597 507542 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400968644 382274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39681&oldid=39680 5* 03Icepy 5* (+47) 10 < 1400968843 97324 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400969107 952019 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the ear behaves as a demultiplexer. < 1400969144 503641 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brain can't handle signals with a bandwidth higher than 100 Hz or so, so it takes this 20,000 Hz signal and transforms it into a whole bunch of narrower signals. < 1400969193 848622 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/demultiplexer/Fourier transform/ < 1400969230 968348 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say it behaves as a Fourier transform. It doesn't completely take audio from the time domain to the frequency domain. < 1400969251 588407 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it did, we'd only ever hear one sound, but we'd know its frequency components exquisitely well. < 1400969393 692041 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can definitely demultiplex, though. You can, to a degree, listen to multiple simultaneous sounds and make them all out. < 1400969999 138680 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400970052 503910 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400970326 365393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39682&oldid=39681 5* 03Icepy 5* (-145) 10 < 1400970433 676052 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the ear reduces the frequency using a bunch of bones sitting in goop < 1400970546 990522 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, fixed that bug < 1400970553 301538 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, damn it was a hard bug < 1400970557 826414 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to spot, not to fix < 1400970558 847991 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400970570 25003 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had typod 0x82, instead of 0x80 in part of the asm code < 1400970602 207882 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. A mechanical demultiplexer. < 1400970619 144074 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does stuff that operates mechanically on sound waves still count as "mechanical"? < 1400970639 483325 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a whistle produces sound "mechanically", right? < 1400970643 709287 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400970719 989152 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering there are no moving parts... < 1400970751 603242 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the word isn't "mechanical", then what is it? < 1400970765 675193 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to oppose it to? < 1400970783 353966 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as opposed to something without moving parts. < 1400970801 624014 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, a maraca definitely produces sound "mechanically". Stuff hits other stuff, making noise. < 1400970839 267623 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whistle doesn't have moving parts; it's a resonant chamber along with an amplifier that operates fluidically. < 1400970845 552651 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the word I want. Fluidically. < 1400970846 660850 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39683&oldid=39682 5* 03Icepy 5* (+268) 10 < 1400970877 873655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39684&oldid=39683 5* 03Icepy 5* (+22) 10 < 1400970887 794443 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ear isn't a "proper" Fourier transform, but it is implementing an approximation of a Fourier-related transform being used in a very similar way to its use in audio compression. < 1400970941 536387 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost like the human ear was designed not to notice MP3 compression artifacts. < 1400970947 618936 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1400970998 109820 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400971016 94952 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400971024 644778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have multiple copies of a picture or audio with different watermarks, can you then detect them and tamper with them? < 1400971068 575211 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400971178 699047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clock without moving parts is sundial (including digital sundials). < 1400971209 135104 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, could you make a computer that operates using sound waves? < 1400971211 609659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, do you know which timepiece has the most number of moving parts? < 1400971226 205525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know. < 1400971239 702704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice question < 1400971246 755364 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some clock tower? < 1400971250 715686 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... < 1400971269 421693 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see someone arguing that the timepiece with the greatest number of moving parts is the night sky. < 1400971291 984409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I suppose someone can argue that, but it isn't what I meant. < 1400971329 346629 :tswett__!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400971351 55680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :think low tech < 1400971351 138606 :tswett__!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound waves mostly interact linearly. There are definitely ways of doing non-linear things, though. < 1400971356 963443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39685&oldid=39684 5* 03Icepy 5* (+158) 10 < 1400971493 102520 :tswett__!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest logic gate to implement should be the buffer. Outputs 1 upon receiving 1; outputs 0 upon receiving 0. Amplifies the signal and doesn't pass it in the wrong direction. < 1400971521 245766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but which of those has the most parts? the one in a museum in Nima perhaps? < 1400971528 94825 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400971528 658070 :tswett__!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1400971542 34967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know that either. < 1400971570 417755 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400971626 29919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39686&oldid=39685 5* 03Icepy 5* (-13) 10 < 1400971706 716299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39687&oldid=39686 5* 03Icepy 5* (+22) 10 < 1400971757 210440 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400971767 404506 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1400971767 514979 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400971772 706289 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: isn't that made by putting two inverters in a row? < 1400971788 165098 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it can be. < 1400971824 669037 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making an inverter sounds tough. Make a device that produces sound if and only if it is not receiving sound. < 1400971862 536898 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could use destructive interference. < 1400971959 358610 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, you could just use a device that always produces sound of the relevant frequency. Stick that together with your input line, and it should just work, as long as everything is of the right length and whatnot. < 1400971992 298964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1400972012 915356 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to make the device output sound of the right phase, too. < 1400972054 417451 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could just make some sort of non-linear one-directional amplifier, I think you ought to be able to make everything else. < 1400972156 866410 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400972200 685308 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400972220 19101 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think inverting sound would be easy. < 1400972241 490676 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: how would you do it? < 1400972244 798399 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just swich the coils on the speaker around, and it'll push whne it'd otherwise pull and vise-versa. < 1400972249 197572 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400972257 347773 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*when < 1400972266 65416 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do that without any wires. < 1400972309 42663 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think it'd involve something with the hardware. < 1400972353 13352 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a transformer or something. < 1400972354 150250 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1400972367 154470 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1400972419 3422 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to make something in circuit simulator, but first dinner. < 1400972420 909681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39688&oldid=39687 5* 03Icepy 5* (-56) 10 < 1400972482 744511 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400972572 611648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The software "Astrolog" includes some nice features, such as the "timed exposure" feature, and the ability to overlay constellations on the world map; however, this is unfortunately not Free Software. (However, GPL ephemeris software does exist.) < 1400972633 994874 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400972662 223454 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400972667 336232 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1400972667 393508 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400972785 702821 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that one should have about 40 billion moving parts. :) < 1400972797 8482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one in Nima) < 1400972808 321445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been at Nima < 1400972860 769926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither have I < 1400972933 607351 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400973044 288043 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1400973071 995379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock is another fun candidate (I read as far as "atomic fountain") < 1400973117 312241 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400973130 717721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then we need to discuss moving electrons in the next step, which makes things a bit silly. < 1400973134 966068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do something like: INSERT INTO WINDOW(TITLE,CONTENT) SELECT 'Horoscope',COMPUTE_HOROSCOPE(ID,GLYPH,JULIANDAY('now'),GET_GEOLOCATION()) FROM PLANETS; < 1400973172 684119 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you capitalizing identifiers? < 1400973209 206504 :nooodl!~nooodl@72.153-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400973218 594761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like to do that. You can also put the identifiers in "..." if you prefer. < 1400973276 355287 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert into "WINDOW"("TITLE","CONTENT") select 'Horoscope',"COMPUTE_HOROSCOPE"("ID","GLYPH","JULIANDAY"('now'),"GET_GEOLOCATION"()) from "PLANETS"; < 1400973318 996406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are also case-insensitive, so you can use any combinations of uppercase/lowercase letters. < 1400973368 165087 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE SHOULD BE A stereotype THAT computer programmers put emphasis ON ALL non-content words IN THEIR speech. < 1400973509 585159 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is RECOMMENDED that programmers follow RFC 2119 in their everyday speech < 1400973564 593720 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "recommendation" is that all "programmers" "put" all "content" "words" inside of "double" "quotation" "marks". < 1400973830 830865 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :77 DECLARATION VALUE IS "It is my belief that all programmers should use syntactically valid COBOL". < 1400974296 467555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's the thing that ais made for nethack TASes again? <-- web o' flies? < 1400974296 738252 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so the sound needs to be transformed mechanically. < 1400974342 12705 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the medium otherwise? Taunt wire, like in a tin can phone? < 1400974393 283479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39689&oldid=39688 5* 03Icepy 5* (+89) 10 < 1400974423 414824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39690&oldid=39647 5* 03Icepy 5* (+15) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ < 1400974428 710986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc what's the thing that ais made for nethack TASes again? <-- web o' flies? < 1400974428 906624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1400974445 507932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39691&oldid=39663 5* 03Icepy 5* (-52) 10 < 1400974497 650296 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39692&oldid=39690 5* 03Icepy 5* (+0) 10 < 1400974594 409861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Icepy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39693&oldid=39657 5* 03Icepy 5* (+77) 10 < 1400974644 829542 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the case, you might be able to use a mechanical gate like what would be used with rod logic, it'd just have to be sensitive to small/low torque motions. < 1400974747 395519 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39694&oldid=39689 5* 03Icepy 5* (+0) 10 < 1400974773 782575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39695&oldid=39694 5* 03Icepy 5* (+0) 10 < 1400974782 596521 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried looking up mechanical amplifierd before, and the best I came up with in terms of analog equipment was something that worked using belts. < 1400974837 668737 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everyone should speak in Haskell string literals." < 1400974848 462746 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I was thinking tubes or something. < 1400974877 625649 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about... Tube ON Belts < 1400974884 260031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1400974906 172881 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fluedic transistor I've heard about apparently worked well, but it also seemed inheriently digital.' < 1400974916 565141 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "digital"? < 1400974936 645653 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digital logic is what I'm trying to implement here. < 1400974991 790823 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it was set up so that the power being fed into it would go out one of two outputs. < 1400975059 799708 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was for warer, actually, and relied on vorticies forming into the device. < 1400975089 584787 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to look it up, the image explains nicely. < 1400975149 991559 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's right on the Wikipedia page for fluedics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluidics < 1400975189 402479 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, a pre-existing vortex in the system will perpetuate itself if power is supplied. < 1400975227 852441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Place a neutrino source on one side of the lock and a neutrino detector on the other side. <-- i think you might just possibly be confusing neutrons and neutrinos there < 1400975266 466901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's the one < 1400975275 763234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1400975293 112272 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that seems to presume one-directional flow, wheras sound would alternate. < 1400975335 462431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's funnier with neutrinos < 1400975343 791489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: tru dat. < 1400975355 846413 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno about making a fluedic rectifier. < 1400975387 840560 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need really sensitive check valves, I guess? < 1400975414 5217 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're going for high amplitude subsonic waves. < 1400975424 66442 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case regular check valves. < 1400975449 422944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq probably doesn't like my plan to train a slime mold to climb in and then climb out and reproduce the shape, either <-- i don't see how anyone could possibly not love that hth < 1400975611 8563 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it also reminded me of this: http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2014-03-23 < 1400975788 218488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39696&oldid=39695 5* 03Icepy 5* (+48) 10 < 1400976116 100829 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1400976719 460911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you have multiple copies of a picture or audio with different watermarks, can you then detect them and tamper with them? <-- i think it should be possible to design watermarks so that even after your tampering, they can still detect which originally watermarked copies you used < 1400976740 293727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400976774 834251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that if you get leaked copies from two sources, they can tell what the two leaks were < 1400976839 691909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may allow you to at least detect watermarks, I suppose, regardless if they can still detect it or not. < 1400976938 477939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39697&oldid=39696 5* 03Icepy 5* (+137) 10 < 1400976967 172528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for detecting them, in a sense that's just diff'ing the copies. < 1400977025 257853 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400977075 605210 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the watermarks don't cover the same area, and there are at least three, you could do a triple modular redundancy operation. < 1400977079 213506 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400977121 41343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but that would be a bad design if you wanted to detect collusion in leaking < 1400977151 315109 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that'd both be just an easily automated subistitute for cropping and stitching the images, and also really bad practice on the part of the watermarker. < 1400977179 484188 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what collusion in leaking even means here. < 1400977230 132391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, someone using two or more different copies in order to try to make a copy that doesn't tell where they got the originals from < 1400977289 758161 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400977442 234942 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400977442 345086 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1400977498 760751 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400977670 156384 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400977685 342117 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400977712 223527 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400977744 839807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also various kind of compression which is usable; by itself it won't help but may be usable in combination with other things. < 1400977757 943261 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1400977788 267113 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400978030 731690 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400978030 945830 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1400978370 978416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at several relevant wikipedia pages (Digital watermarking, Copy attack and Canary trap) none of them say anything about detecting this kind of multiple leak :/ < 1400978413 773351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that doesn't mean none of the systems listed have implemented it < 1400978435 961458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1400978635 238124 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1400978775 570569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh it's actually simple: just make n non-overlapping watermarks and for each recipient leave _out_ exactly one. < 1400978780 286562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1400978803 519829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your tampering cannot remove the ones you don't have the source excluding. < 1400978855 118396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good, i was initially thinking it might need exponential amount of data < 1400978882 868578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1400978903 955087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that is wrong. < 1400978940 943920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that scheme, you can easily do MDude's trick if you have 3 copies, do get one with _all_ the watermarks. < 1400978950 413237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to get < 1400979002 38303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does require exponential amount of watermark pieces after all. < 1400979034 30398 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could remove all the watermarks for which you have examples of images lacking them. < 1400979055 914995 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you'd need to be able to tell watermark from non-watermark. < 1400979061 826635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yes but that would make things _worse_ for hiding your set of sources < 1400979097 124049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it assumed that the watermarks are steganographic? < 1400979134 535793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'd think that would be necessary to prevent removing them? < 1400979154 873260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. do such watermarks even survive, e.g. blurring? < 1400979187 377203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was something in those wikipedia articles about robust vs. fragile watermarks < 1400979192 81773 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would sort of make it a non-watermark, though? < 1400979207 761036 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if it's hidden then no one can tell who marked it. < 1400979218 649546 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that is is marked. < 1400979238 570741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: um hidden if you don't have the key to detect it, presumably < 1400979287 473259 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of watermarks on art, which are often there basically as a signature. < 1400979307 812927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is watermarking for source tracing / traitor tracing < 1400979312 664829 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the general audience can't see it, it can't tell them it's yours. < 1400979323 459755 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If each combination of watermarks is encrypted separately, there is no way to recover combinations from multiple versions < 1400979329 642362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically the opposite of visible signature < 1400979503 186961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traitor tracing was another wikipedia page i looked at < 1400980021 141033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i am failing to interpret the meaning of your line, you may wish to state some assumptions? < 1400980187 643906 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went with the assumptions that I assumed you were assuming < 1400980264 378452 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does getting multiple copies let you mangle the watermark, anyway? < 1400980329 506619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. averaging the pixels of two images? < 1400980366 841976 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, that would give you an image with both watermarks. < 1400980383 555565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a lot of copies, you can try to, instead of just averaging, use varying distributions at random. < 1400980424 276796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also still apply other filters < 1400980455 721039 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could pick k, then encode several watermarks such that any k images you distribute share at least one watermark. This mark can't be erased by averaging. < 1400980574 899558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could still try cropping, if you don't care about the entire picture. If you don't even care about the quality, just draw a picture. Some things are not allowed to be photographed, but you can still try to draw the picture. If it is spoken dialogue in a movie or play, you can try to use shorthand. < 1400980636 928472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1400980655 405577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello shachaf < 1400980657 926901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, shachaf ! < 1400980677 262182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: oh come on, there are plenty of h's in there already! < 1400980680 931678 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One issue with drawing would be that it wouldn't neccisarily be considered reliable since you could jut draw whatever fake picture easily if you were a fake informant. < 1400980693 922255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also add in your own watermarks < 1400980719 712073 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, your drawing might be detected as yours much like a signature. < 1400980727 99935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Yes; you would have to assume that that doesn't matter, in addition to having a good quality copy of the picture also doesn't matter. < 1400980737 9945 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are watermarking classified information, you could replace some of the unimportant words using a language database, modulated by the watermarking signal. < 1400980766 625411 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edge detection might work. < 1400980786 843312 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only keep the lines that are important. < 1400980799 413115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: You could do the same to tamper with it I suppose; how well a tamper work depend on the system. < 1400980822 606534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's precisely one of the methods described in wikipedia < 1400980837 878333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except for the modulation < 1400980879 72361 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that, but wikipedia may have left a watermark in my mind < 1400980947 607862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang list of ideas has this: "Language with functions and classes that only draws/ describes pictures, and can be compressed into tight string. And can be used for image compression, so that if a compression program is presented with a picture, it tries to find the programs that draw at least some features on the picture. ... If compression is lossy enough, the result will look artistic in a strange way." < 1400980974 830745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such compression is possible, maybe it has effect on such thing? < 1400981030 558181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case of drawing a picture based on another picture, you can also have, many people are making a drawing, again from many different copies, and then many people will put it into the computer. < 1400981134 400207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_trap < 1400981299 761409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice try, Elon Musk < 1400981423 502274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course, internal conspiracies are another way. < 1400981458 907996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this somehow reminds me of once upon a time reading about a compression scheme using self-similar fractals < 1400981586 335622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no later than the 90s, at most < 1400981607 558631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no earlier than the 80s, for more obvious reasons) < 1400981906 184585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compression scheme using self-transforming machine elves < 1400981916 624938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Web browsers are a deliberately designed engine for remote code execution, a term which strikes fear into the hearts of information security professionals worldwide." < 1400981978 816432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one reason to avoid it (although, such a "remote code execution" can be limited; it just happens to be way too complicated in web browsers). < 1400982002 388124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, running the program on the server provides better compatibility anyways. < 1400982141 965306 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say a lot fo that comlpication is because browsers weren't made with that in mind, and in fact are more often than not designed with letting websites "control the user experience" as an unnervingly high priority. < 1400982153 725238 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like the whole idea behind autorun. < 1400982173 840248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autorun is also bad. < 1400982198 817214 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tl;dr: use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption. use authenticated encryption." < 1400982199 885445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only that, but user experience may depend much on user's preferences and on suitability to devices and user interfaces. < 1400982286 677562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher menus are very well designed to be universal regardless of preferences and suitability to devices, however, this might not have necessarily been the intention. Nevertheless, it works well. < 1400982352 464313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autorun is a bad idea, however it may be useful to have a "autostart" option that can be turned on/off. Some game systems use this. < 1400982412 572878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can include functions in BIOS and hardware for protection of system when user doesn't want it tampered with by a program. < 1400982452 70450 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use encryption authenticated by diginotar's iranian RAs < 1400982678 631795 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started watching a Planescape Torment LP but it seems like the person didn't finish < 1400983005 96713 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1400983070 256152 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400983240 255702 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if you got an android device as a gift < 1400983317 277049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I might try to reprogram it, if it has a keyboard; if not, I will just give it back < 1400983360 851618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you wouldn't try to play android games? < 1400983407 500765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to reprogram it first, even though it still may run the Android system, I would want to make changes to it since the existing way has several problems. < 1400983529 830219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Happy Towel Day! | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1400983702 460569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know I think that PSA can go by now. < 1400983746 328284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Happy Towel Day! | PFFT! | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1400983877 468658 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can person run a wiki < 1400983881 347886 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :one person < 1400983916 724565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: very stressfully < 1400984000 548462 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does text mode mean in bf survey? < 1400984032 456232 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's my BF opinion: Cells should expand to the right, leaving the tape to the left should wrap around to the right-most cell. < 1400984045 224398 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already did that joke Sgeo < 1400984048 837727 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400984051 114190 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ended in surreal numbers. do you really want that??? < 1400984052 133287 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when? < 1400984062 580078 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, like.... *waves backwards in time* that way < 1400984090 559143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd know when, if Gregor made the log search work again. < 1400984090 613357 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could stand to learn about surreal numbers < 1400984097 577261 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400984106 995895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wikipedia is thataway < 1400984145 153540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Survey monkey not so good. Rewrite the survey in SQL. < 1400984150 197293 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1400984166 911133 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that statement remind me of Dr. Klaun? < 1400984172 694688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo don't get the book "surreal numbers", it's too thin < 1400984176 788396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which statement < 1400984179 79590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some (not released yet) extension which includes some statistics stuff and some other things too < 1400984198 88751 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Survey monkey not so good. Rewrite the survey in SQL. < 1400984243 154703 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :surreal numbers < 1400984288 330383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google surreal numbers < 1400984288 934389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_number < 1400984289 99578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Surreal number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1400984291 828759 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea the wiki page doesnt clear anything up < 1400984300 40349 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you all mathematicians or something < 1400984305 337290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of us < 1400984309 678331 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes he was a mathematician < 1400984325 400276 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a pseudomathematician as a kid doesn't count < 1400984329 149015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bikeologist < 1400984347 943800 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, I was into a lot of pseudo stuff as a kid < 1400984366 769616 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember buying a Deepak Chopra book once < 1400984366 862146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not really a mathematician but I still do study and interest of mathematics. < 1400984378 582178 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was into pseudoephedrine as a kid < 1400984382 42928 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count < 1400984391 647939 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo was super into pseudo-dionysius. < 1400984397 796548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never purchased a book by Deepak Chopra, although I have read some. I have no intention to purchase such book. < 1400984402 287834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: 'snot counting < 1400984411 588175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Howveer, I do have intention to read it, sometimes) < 1400984466 130089 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you study pseudopods? < 1400984519 199716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log just checking < 1400984519 674742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/log: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ grep: ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1400984555 611302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: When would they fix that, you expect? < 1400984574 870806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am not sure he is intending to fix it. < 1400984598 966590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1400984643 130842 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a stopped clock < 1400984661 512281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he hasn't done so yet, and it's been a while. < 1400984715 480566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because he moved HackEgo to a different server, might mean he doesn't want to use that much resources on a single one. < 1400984839 281702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if he instead copy the file per day, or something like that? < 1400984873 30401 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would always be ten years behind? how census < 1400984949 216412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because people don't put work into something they don't care about unless they get paid for it. < 1400984952 926094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean copy yesterday's file to today. < 1400985069 115162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Altneriatively since now SQLite is installed in it, you could even make it into one SQL database file (containing for all channel, date, etc), with one "IRC" table having the columns such as: timestamp, sender, command, channel, message, receiver. (The "receiver" can be applicable to such things as a KICK command.) < 1400985089 34336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he won't do that because he doesn't care about it. < 1400985095 736146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're paying him. < 1400985138 561105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does it cost? < 1400985209 184345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask Gregor for his contracting rate if he's willing to be paid for it at all, but I'm going to guess not significantly under $100/hr. < 1400985273 648625 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is FlexibleContexts evil? < 1400985296 862102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1400985348 37674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my secret conspiracy theory is that Gregor's not making the logs searchable because Aftran has threatened to sue him if he makes it possible to find his messages. < 1400985370 511275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly blackmailing < 1400985424 569669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: FlexibleContext is like the least evil extension which is only nonstandard because they cannot agree how to standardize it, or something, < 1400985427 830751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1400985432 42779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1400985464 659097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who make the copy of the logs will make it searchable, though. < 1400985505 791716 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo and glogbot are no longer run on the same system. < 1400985514 306142 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the one and only reason why the logs aren't searchable. < 1400985528 456018 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were searchable before because it was trivial to just link them into the right location. < 1400985540 752758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That is perfectly understood; the reason is why you didn't put it on the same system. < 1400985581 536944 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that system was constantly running out of hard disk space so I wanted to move one if its chroots to another system. < 1400985600 504888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1400985632 687967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That make sense < 1400985661 523137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,( < 1400985698 939830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, maybe is useful to have a copy, somehow < 1400985970 349702 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that brings us to elliott's point :) < 1400986010 266295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone else install a copy, though? < 1400986349 226073 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400986432 774562 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400987416 823242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This issue of 2600 contains the De Bruijn sequence for four-digit numbers. < 1400987430 760649 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400987485 996853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also contains a letter that simply says, "Can you see it?" (there is no attachment or anything else like that) < 1400987547 386304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a letter about the most durable telephone number. Is it Hotel Pennsylvania's "PENnsylvania-5000"? < 1400987690 333971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it durable < 1400987708 418341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had the same telephone number since 1930, and still do. < 1400987742 795885 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1400987755 586650 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400987791 189250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :de bruijn sequences are the best < 1400987810 7888 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Client Quit < 1400987878 303176 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400988176 621623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the name of the hotel matches the name of the telephone exchange, it can work very well! < 1400988759 589528 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brainfuck JIT can run some benchmarks that take ~6 seconds in interpreters, in about 200 ms < 1400988760 769671 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad < 1400988817 212241 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also depends on the benchmark, some have many orders of magnitute in speed increase < 1400989297 647683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer tab separated values rather than comma separated values. < 1400989449 156639 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, as do I. < 1400989462 898295 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CSV format isn't *that* bad, but TSV is significantly cleaner. < 1400989622 170906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1400989664 702569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: how does it compare to esotope-bfc? < 1400989680 807034 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see < 1400989697 15507 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400989702 241654 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1400989707 338341 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotope is in python... < 1400989715 487644 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400989717 469685 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it generates C < 1400989718 166281 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1400989728 199451 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have it there? < 1400989742 307302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google code has it < 1400989754 917997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mearie.org/projects/esotope/ oh, maybe it was rewritten < 1400989814 389594 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400989816 649459 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a python env here, could you compile this for me to C? http://puu.sh/9027N/3c9c70e514.txt < 1400989870 114330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I don't like about indentation sensitive syntax is that, often in a C program I will add some lines for debugging purpose and those ones are at the left part of the line rather than being in the indented position. Also, there are many kind of ways to indent based on other things, so sometimes it isn't quite indented only by blocks anyways. < 1400989879 484683 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400989925 154234 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do as many optimizations as esotope, though, so we'll see < 1400989961 762352 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that esotope seems to just run the bf program if it doesn't have any i/o < 1400989971 546257 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400989974 343034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't "just run" it < 1400989976 637598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that can fail to terminate < 1400989985 311547 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, indenting for something thats not a new scope? :( < 1400989986 979773 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you got the idea < 1400989997 225652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1400990001 499569 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just able to optimize things quite a lot. < 1400990003 503946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just running" a program but always halting is sort of what optimisation is. < 1400990007 541021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: anyway, http://sprunge.us/gSeC < 1400990012 296134 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400990017 419697 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk let me see < 1400990050 510912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: Yes, sometimes. One is case statements. < 1400990064 98429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there is unindenting too like I described. < 1400990069 815742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs in 0.061s here < 1400990082 786923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with clang -O3 -march=native < 1400990098 366768 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400990113 990441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that there's all that much genius optimisation you can apply to that C code, probably) < 1400990140 379325 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :msvc just removes the whole block < 1400990141 80399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, though 0.028s with gcc < 1400990144 618319 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaces it with the output < 1400990154 829755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, are you sure? < 1400990162 365792 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes 0 ms < 1400990167 640817 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me open it with IDA < 1400990168 81815 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1400990168 662074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not heard MSVC being very good at optimisation, so that surprises me. < 1400990193 952320 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very good at executing pure functions at compile time < 1400990207 322786 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400990224 282797 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that it didn't remove the whole thing < 1400990224 602642 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400990280 887169 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiled code is still somewhat similar to the C code < 1400990309 239387 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1400990363 547557 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, my JIT generates the code in 1 pass < 1400990367 242045 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400990377 483329 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll have to switch to generating an AST and all that crap to beat esotope < 1400990406 473660 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll probably be just as fast as esotope, though) < 1400990414 743607 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I find some optimization that it doesn't do < 1400990483 496708 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400990599 624871 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1400990633 484345 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400990994 993751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up a virtual table module of SQLite for making a "horizontal union". For example: CREATE VIRTUAL TABLE VT USING HORIZONTAL_UNION(X ORDER BY X ASC,Y ORDER BY Y DESC); < 1400991103 64587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If X contains (1),(2),(3),(4),(5) and Y contains (1),(10),(100),(1000),(10000) then the result will be (1,10000),(2,1000),(3,100),(4,10),(5,1). Maybe it can be useful for some kinds of statistical calculations, or just if you want arbitrary matching. < 1400991148 189954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know much about statistics? < 1400991227 903056 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a teenage statistic < 1400991691 932201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to have SQL extension to plot various graphics, such as statistical graphics and other things (such as geography and horoscopes). < 1400991692 768165 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400991859 321194 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is TupleSections not less evil? < 1400992024 489522 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400992049 713301 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400992154 11156 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400992155 705635 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1400992626 821760 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400992710 595842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: also harmless. < 1400992763 104409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mostly. actually TupleSections could get confusing if you forget an argument in a tuple. < 1400992772 133458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*element < 1400992936 942091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's evil for the same reason as the default ghc Monad and Functor instance for functions. < 1400992987 339858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like making Num instances for functions etc. < 1400993058 511686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's cute for pointless golfing but shouldn't be on by default. < 1400993078 506006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that argument applies to all operator sections. < 1400993093 688330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting a tuple element isn't really a very plausible error < 1400993094 977635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm touché < 1400993114 34853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll pretty much always give a reasonable type error, I think, since functions and tuples rarely mix < 1400993147 323159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's evil about sections? (- 1) < 1400993154 301516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1400993193 372962 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (- 1) 3 < 1400993194 932059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1400993195 52712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_113’ < 1400993195 108266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num (a -> t), GHC.Num.Num a) < 1400993195 108329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type for ‘e_113’: < 1400993195 108366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Num.Num (a -> t), GHC.Num.Num a) => t < 1400993207 863049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did my life go so wrong < 1400993234 547288 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(- 1) is very evil < 1400993240 482888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a section of your life, don't panic < 1400993267 705727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-) 1) 3 < 1400993269 387729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -2 < 1400993271 478140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially as it's towel day) < 1400993433 412753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1400993434 82927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (- 1) < 1400993435 168752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1400993446 830224 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1400993465 978419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well possibly not in SF yet < 1400993671 605853 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: bbs < 1400993819 845223 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400994199 485682 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1400994428 129941 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1400994542 2826 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400994574 836937 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1400994604 959523 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1400994742 228446 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1400994799 655257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1400994853 524499 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1400995369 123859 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400995430 63155 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400995788 867941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the unofficial RLA instruction of 6502 to do three things at once: Do a bank switch, clear the carry flag, and clear the accumulator. < 1400995848 819021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program also uses ANC, ALR, LAX, AXS, and DCP. < 1400995962 764874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANC saves a byte and two cycles over using AND followed by CLC. < 1400996085 227767 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, sometimes i think you're having conversations with people i can't see. this scares me. < 1400996166 310656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes *I* think I am having conversations with people I can't see, but I generally doubt it. < 1400996619 723406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1400996621 280024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09ittlycoin 02ariolameriacoin 06rumcoin 13topcoin 04beckoutcoin 07selcoin 08pathcoin 09ischersetcoin 02prefcoin 06explocoin 13mumcoin 04recurcoin 07rhizacoin 08circumcoin 09dispathisincoin 02iabcoin 06tricoin 13clccoin 04chasecoin 07sartcragcoin < 1400996684 79375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversationswithpeoplecoin < 1400996905 259308 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisicoin < 1400996926 590875 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1400998911 647141 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1400999090 493587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vanbever.eu/pdfs/vanbever_turing_icnp_2013.pdf "BGP has the same computing power as a Turing Machine" < 1400999097 179706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hiyoto. < 1400999110 911037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :3 < 1400999114 534277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you having a nice time? < 1400999135 464667 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BGP is fun < 1400999152 540822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke BGP everyday < 1400999165 426419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit tired time, I don't sleep so well in planes. It probably shall pass. < 1400999484 620946 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kainzxrparzfmzkh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1400999542 814629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long was your flight? < 1400999574 826292 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt know you could use (T[]){t1,t2,t3} in c ._. < 1400999598 552351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that standard or an extension < 1400999636 891419 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400999649 947185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is standard C99, although GCC lets you use it in some additional places < 1400999653 239510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Compound-Literals.html < 1400999661 693006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is a wacky language < 1401000021 479510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 hours, or something like that. < 1401000041 92995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a 6-hour timezone change. < 1401000095 793403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is +3 (in summer), I guess here must be +9 unless I miscalculated. < 1401001142 93913 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401001458 128016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you learn yet about who is the boss of them all since 1992? < 1401001589 437641 :password2!~password@197.77.35.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401001646 6970 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401001969 750886 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401002231 255735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION discovers the secret Rust attribute that lets you use private stuff from another module < 1401002360 321936 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: woah high magic < 1401002498 513198 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/9 < 1401002742 286246 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401003775 139995 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401004485 731394 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401004504 763814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: when all you have is a brain, everything looks like a brain < 1401004505 236281 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mr president, commissioner, this report is very clear what is happening in that region of the european union should concern itself with all seas, particularly those not in paid employment. moreover, the commission sets up programmes to ensure that the objectives of the commission and the council to this question to the house. < 1401004546 179618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots fall on fungot falls < 1401004546 462356 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: we still take it for granted that there would not be our top priority. when species become extinct, they are not looking for scapegoats but are instead indicting the system. < 1401004579 69134 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401004832 458979 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401006707 262523 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401006905 818804 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401008136 711702 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401009712 495397 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401009727 976813 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401009980 156920 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401010076 96683 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401012195 715288 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401013061 375379 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401013143 985706 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401013217 167150 :password2!~password@197.77.35.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401013392 817344 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401013416 91875 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401013637 857906 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401014199 112395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401015018 99083 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401015018 184968 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401015960 622079 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1401016044 850045 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401016141 292655 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401016343 860803 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401017043 846466 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401020003 171636 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401020205 693071 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401021053 978223 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401021130 170683 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401023460 171859 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401023478 80156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to fake in CSS3? < 1401023643 5648 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. yes. < 1401023782 506236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, can you give me a pointer without too much spoilers? < 1401023790 963822 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401024014 849383 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you have to think like a video animator, with @keyframes. < 1401024051 360599 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice demo, with transition effects → http://media02.hongkiat.com/marquee-css3-animation//demo/index.html < 1401024055 215032 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, bouncing marquees are a thing < 1401024386 114268 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401024464 104625 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401026575 436916 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401027196 527645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anybody else here who feels that adding animations to CSS is wrong? < 1401027211 95006 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401027268 850088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("only" in the form of interpolation, but still.) < 1401027664 448239 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1401027671 915281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two people just recently submitted bug reports for Burlesque < 1401028039 800701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I rather prefer CSS animations than Flash < 1401028049 304804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*over Flash < 1401028270 616684 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1401028332 677768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The entire notion that web sites (which are not games or clever data browsers that use the time dimension to display data, or actual videos) need animations is wrong in my eyyes (literally more often than not) < 1401028393 169459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that I'm not going to win any fight against this trend that has already gone most of the way, but I can still complain.) < 1401028453 91998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found that I even find Firefox' "smooth scrolling" feature annoying. I can switch that off though.) < 1401028465 372529 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth scrolling? bletch! < 1401028514 677682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just another kind of smooth transition that developers seem to believe users like so much. < 1401028569 239894 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually quite amazing how much stops working if you disable js < 1401028592 318817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how much stops working if you disable http < 1401028611 657962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coming from phones and tablet where input lacks precision, so you have to extrapolate what you are going to achieve using visual feedback; and suddenly, smooth scrolling becomes a boon.) < 1401028638 828665 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401028651 144997 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean things that have no right to contain js, such as a download link that launches a script that parses a json embedded in thw page and the redirects to the file < 1401028658 954499 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1401028659 916000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah but you can still browse "the web": there are still a couple of gopher sites out there. < 1401028686 160587 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1401028700 698099 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ftp < 1401028774 974653 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are the infinite-scrolling webpages http://xkcd.com/1309 < 1401028990 470521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I'll try disabling layout.css.prefixes.{transitions,animations} in FF. < 1401029268 95862 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well... the "web" has become a plattform for desktop applications too < 1401029287 71168 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kinda steers to being able to write os-independent applications for "the web" < 1401029321 974373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start to think of browsers as virtual machines like .NET/JVM < 1401029342 847838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry. < 1401029365 450952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not just hypertext anymore. < 1401029373 778569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mentally moves mroman from the "undecided" into the "problem" bin ;-) < 1401029398 572171 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunatelly, some people tend to not realize what is an application and what is a hypertext page < 1401029717 335934 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401030070 880717 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another late realization is that tracking URL shorteners are perceived as a feature. E.g. "But all things being equal, it makes sense to select [an URL shortener] that provides tracking." < 1401030098 770732 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :src? < 1401030100 863310 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why? < 1401030239 349395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: http://searchengineland.com/analysis-which-url-shortening-service-should-you-use-17204 (note the domain name, it goes with the territory) < 1401030294 945322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This - research? - was prompted by a visit to the bit.ly front page yesterday. < 1401030430 99303 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is why I like dy.fi; no tracking that I know of and forwards will go away after month on disuse (I think) < 1401030694 225639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401030804 595655 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401031538 534407 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401031601 226824 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401031712 241209 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401032418 882527 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401032523 807906 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401033158 730312 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1401034442 273839 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401034503 198201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401034558 220566 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401034825 356566 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401034870 583488 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401035116 94994 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401035269 578663 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401035269 688190 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1401035703 646259 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401035852 140312 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1401035896 587482 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401035978 59872 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1401036244 512275 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1401036244 697969 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1401036244 698058 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1401036254 602130 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley NICK :erdic < 1401036320 947050 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401036379 968320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. no I pushed one of my own warriors from the hill :( < 1401036382 395453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1401036517 279559 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pushed one of your now warriors? < 1401037031 80864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1401037031 932662 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401037170 139202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's a virtual machine and an operating system < 1401037210 199265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsers have their own schedulers, memory managers, network stacks, graphics engines, UI toolkits, compilers, dev tools < 1401037929 265266 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if Browsers had more source code than operating systems < 1401037962 964858 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do < 1401037970 803729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining "operating system" is a tricky business < 1401037986 783895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-modular part of the Linux kernel is like 50,000 lines < 1401037993 317845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of all packages in Debian is probably hundreds of millions < 1401037997 284230 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux kernel 3.6 has 15.9 million lines of code < 1401037998 817817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not billians < 1401038000 915271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :billions too < 1401038016 863217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually take "operating system" to mean something much broader than just a kernel < 1401038020 428823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fuzzy < 1401038024 852642 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows server 2003 is 50 million lines of code < 1401038109 125676 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is about 15 million sloc < 1401038197 624782 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401038208 503393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servo is only 100,000 SLoC but it doesn't do most of the browsery things yet :) < 1401038274 839070 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401038287 143477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing the new HTML parser, which is about 4,000 non-blank lines and not done yet < 1401038299 106220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it will end up substantially smaller than any other browser-quality HTML parser < 1401038306 965564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the tokenizer part is like 6x smaller than others < 1401038321 687161 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is it after macroexpansion, tho :P < 1401038326 601028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1401038333 156462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. IT's actually better not to throw spl 0 bombs o_O < 1401038504 95245 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401038579 835555 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web browsers are operating systems < 1401038585 272339 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just in < 1401038599 5892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox is the new emacs?! < 1401038620 988329 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least javascript has lexical scope < 1401038623 306393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for a coffeemaker plugin < 1401038624 99343 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like actually a pretty nice analogy. < 1401038651 958950 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ensure that servo has M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead < 1401038653 160566 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401038667 867693 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I have pentadactyl installed on my firefox. no emacs for me! :D < 1401038683 329479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there actually is one called "Morning Coffee", but it's about opening routine websites in tabs < 1401038691 598208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I thought firefox had tab group bookmarks?) < 1401038695 900186 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangit, I was going to observe that there is a counterpart to evil-mode and the like at least. < 1401038708 717332 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is a htcpcp plugin" < 1401038713 386779 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-" < 1401038723 855962 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401038749 922814 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401038757 27054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I only looked for "official" addons) < 1401038820 562063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :htcpcp is a good joke at least. "The implementation of this should be via a plugin API for beverages in general, so that the Download Manager can brew a nice cup of tea [...]" < 1401038876 577792 :nooodl__!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401039043 140769 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401039087 473552 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401039089 211213 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C < 1401039103 845129 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1401039491 857623 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401039674 272225 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401039681 114775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm having a lot of fun hacking on rustc so far < 1401039693 456541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot less scary than GHC, although I'm having trouble putting my finger on why < 1401039708 720823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just that I know a bunch of the core rust developers and they're usually on IRC < 1401040126 646552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do the rustc sources contain the term "zonk"? (grep -r zonk . | wc -l in ghc's compiler subdirectory returns 907... and I still don't know what SPJ means when he talks about zonking.) < 1401040141 936164 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I never asked.) < 1401040238 234734 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something that ghc does to types, iirc < 1401040254 445871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nope < 1401040263 777157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they contain plenty of other weird shit though < 1401040270 60616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which has been documented by https://twitter.com/horse_rust < 1401040439 623084 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401040522 602298 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None None < 1401040562 797386 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401040601 881872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be something with <> characters that got stripped by twitter? < 1401040626 486531 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://charlie.su/screen_shot_2014_04_20_at_12.01.43_pm-e79630c4f193a5.png No < 1401040667 551564 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, I see < 1401041017 358532 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401041282 95925 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401041495 17478 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401041654 749620 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401041654 964969 :tswett_!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :tswett < 1401041764 979802 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401042353 13941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there pinball simulation which you would write the programming for what happen when various triggers are hit and displaying score and so on are in 6502 machine codes? < 1401042391 471104 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, smoothed particle hydrodynamics should be adequate to represent this < 1401043417 223334 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401043535 95087 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401043695 789259 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401043738 223207 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401044062 355559 :nooodl__!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1401044557 271241 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401045105 98575 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401045335 196013 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing terrafirmacraft. I just set fire to the whole thing... < 1401045533 591309 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1401045764 244380 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401045775 314282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to have some SQL extension for internet connection, both inbound and outbound connection. I don't know very well internet-base programming with C though it looks confusing to me. How would I do it? < 1401046759 834571 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401046791 478444 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401046967 944071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you wanna extend SQL with sockets? < 1401047528 202617 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1401048184 820703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401048216 129233 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidiecat < 1401048232 317156 :hvidiecat!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1401048269 456969 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidie < 1401048322 146883 :hvidie!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1401048826 210890 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1401049121 251445 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdijyqrrwyyftsua JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049452 97499 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401049528 979419 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049601 70708 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049651 791069 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049835 402913 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401049846 674052 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401050083 144432 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401050106 299682 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401050198 350897 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401050561 182769 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401050764 73190 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401050996 29343 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401051855 247132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401053012 622175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that after next month I'll be living in a house with its own IRC channel < 1401053042 313517 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401053397 574956 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401053628 937844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i felt the new x-men movie was bad < 1401053630 383285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1401053733 627630 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed it, possibly due to my position as someone who doesn't really care about X-Men that much < 1401053833 266201 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it did feel a lot "Here's a bad thing, here's how we're going to fix the bad thing, we're fixing the bad thing, the bad thing is fixed" < 1401053855 805626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the first x-men anything i watched though < 1401053870 635529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may put you at a disadvantage. < 1401053880 998345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even then i could tell the continuity was fucked) < 1401053888 14260 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401053894 792655 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god yeah, but that's true for the entire franchise. < 1401053987 126713 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401054234 392218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean it was fucked wrt to the other films, i mean it was fucked in its own reference frame < 1401054290 86365 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, how so? < 1401054301 589832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the time travel mechanic being ridiculous < 1401054376 317478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, future-wolverine remembers a bunch of interesting x-men stuff happening in his past < 1401054400 75259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in his past peter dinklage built a robot in the 70s that killed everyone so how does he remember anything else < 1401054429 208920 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The robots didn't get going until the 2020s < 1401054490 817440 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, I'm watching the elections coverage and it is making me sad < 1401054543 585957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are the results coming out now? < 1401054547 2766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1401054553 747178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :North-Easts are out, at least < 1401054564 370564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 labour, 1 ukip) < 1401054565 234524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you all vote ukip < 1401054575 378404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not much of a change yet < 1401054580 27648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably good < 1401054588 32330 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sharp rise in UKIP < 1401054588 771580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, gah < 1401054591 892550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I saw it was +2 < 1401054594 941721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not a lot < 1401054597 775303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only 4 results have been called < 1401054600 334469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is, rather < 1401054607 232366 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something called "National Front" won a bunch of elections in France. < 1401054618 479130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side nick griffin fucked up the hashtag on his tweet after he lost: https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/statuses/470672756724748288 < 1401054655 114598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not doing as badly as france at least < 1401054687 381490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, until this election, the candidate I voted for lost outright < 1401054717 545062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping that UKIP get lib-dem-ized < 1401054741 815538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a fringe party that starts looking serious, inadvertently ends up in power and gets completely humiliated as a result < 1401054762 987237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ukip are doing well because people with no political views beyond 'i'm vaguely annoyed at the current system' will vote for anyone promising a new alternative < 1401054769 433066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously these people voted lib dem < 1401054797 965137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually liked the lib dems though :-( < 1401054801 892367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the european elections won't do that because nobody actually knows what their MEP does, and ukip sure as hell aren't going to tell them < 1401054819 747479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you seriously suggesting people switched from lib dem to ukip? < 1401054828 850524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do, I got a bunch of election propaganda because I've written to my MEPs in the past < 1401054836 217954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather suspect ukip is getting their votes from ex-tories instead < 1401054837 573107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think he is, and even though it makes no political sense, I can believe it < 1401054859 642192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ukip has gained a lot of ground from labour too, from what i've read < 1401054879 151683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the newspapers were spinning this as ukip vs. labour < 1401054890 899161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any scotland-specific EU parties, btw? < 1401054901 29312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly don't know, see previous statement re MEP < 1401054902 434219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, do the SNP run in the EU elections < 1401054916 42586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: labour I can believe too < 1401054916 883563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they do < 1401054920 891048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lib dem seems like an entirely different crowd < 1401054997 51354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well the political situation in Birmingham University is mostly lib dem versus labour < 1401055017 30243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I supported the Conservatives (up until the last election), I was a huge anomaly < 1401055062 517640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to avoid the people who capital-c Care about politics, but in my social bubble it's seemed Lib Dems vs Green < 1401055074 477503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably more representative of my social bubble than of York < 1401055079 531284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that says a lot about how the maintream parties are getting on, really < 1401055095 778761 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401055133 979996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pretty well, you mean? < 1401055154 532590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the UK really needs three serious parties to avoid becoming like the US < 1401055159 696896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and atm, I'm not sure it has /any/ serious parties < 1401055312 238656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US has two parties because its political system is a joke, not the other way round < 1401055318 76627 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401055335 497970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: more like it's a feedback loop between the two < 1401055350 880054 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say, there's that whole thing about the voting system causing two party lockin < 1401055377 485432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and two parties having strong incentive not to fix the system in turn < 1401055385 273428 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rite < 1401055388 882162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend summarised up the US as "a democracy designed by people who were terrified of democracy" < 1401055413 132576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the stalemate-ridden legislature, the 3 cogs of government each smoothly locking the others in place, etc. < 1401055427 900521 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked up the procedure for running a third party in my state once, basically you have to pay ten thousand dollars and get a bazillion signatures. dems and republicans don't have to obv < 1401055501 665911 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1401055506 924826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise you were in the US, Bike < 1401055535 222614 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-20-85.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1401055535 276233 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401055540 576235 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved here from luxembourg, shouldn't everyone know this by now < 1401055563 199919 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well with the cogs of government, only the legislature is particularly democratic. < 1401055594 949688 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1401055598 523513 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the legislature with 90% encumbency < 1401055600 906381 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The administraation has the president, who's elected, but most of it consists of the cabinet. < 1401055609 90290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in the UK, if you want to run as a candidate, you have to pay quite a bit of money but it's refunded if you get a reasonable percentage of the vote < 1401055624 339754 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :£500 and 5% for Parliament < 1401055628 525373 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to do that even if you're the tories < 1401055630 27523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :£5000 for EU < 1401055635 852919 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As oppossed to the supreme court, which is unelected and set for life. < 1401055642 282777 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I believe you do < 1401055650 422721 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there you go then. < 1401055653 884631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the tories always get the refund < 1401055657 297972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or almost always < 1401055668 861221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally they don't in a particular constituency, but it makes the news < 1401055669 336832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like they can't afford it < 1401055683 65669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's so unusual < 1401055683 186651 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think primaries would get democrats and republicans past any hurdles with fees. < 1401055702 187274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401055711 3158 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just decide whoever you want and then you have a huge party putting cash behind whatever canidate it is. < 1401055728 289899 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*candidate < 1401055734 399069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember an interview with some ukip guy saying how they were going to break into scotland, and the interviewer was choking back laughter for the whole thing because ukip to date haven't even come close to recouping their £500 here < 1401055859 451643 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's honestly kinda weird that primaries are government-regulated... < 1401055874 972151 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in theory, primaries are a purely internal affair of the political parties. < 1401055885 438401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the party system seems to be weird everywhere. < 1401055888 87852 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I dunno what's up with that. < 1401055914 196305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well because the two parties are the government, right? < 1401055921 261746 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in general you become a member of a political party at the time you register to vote. < 1401055969 804815 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: True facts. < 1401056013 762825 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that re. parties, US has the opposite problem to Australia < 1401056049 788294 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the US has numerous other really weird electoral problems. < 1401056083 483808 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as the fact that the actual election of a president is by a handful of electoral college members. < 1401056086 489467 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australia's system seems to be quite favourable to small parties in general, while still being harsh on individual small parties < 1401056319 633629 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :East Midlands results being announced < 1401056344 21890 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKIP 2, Con 2, Lab 1 < 1401056372 960532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> indexed (backwards each) . indices odd %~ (*2) $ [1,2,3] < 1401056374 465450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘(->) s0’ with ‘Data.Functor.Identity.Identity’ < 1401056374 561988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [f b1] -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity (f t) < 1401056374 616724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: Control.Lens.Type.Optical (->) (->) f s0 t a0 b1Couldn't matc... < 1401056374 616789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a2) < 1401056374 616825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> b0’ < 1401056378 837626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1401056431 834956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you want "indexing" < 1401056477 92819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1401056485 641469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> indexing (backwards each) . indices odd %~ (*2) $ [1,2,3] < 1401056487 210970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a1 < 1401056487 315998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a1) < 1401056487 371093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 t0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b)’ < 1401056487 371162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056487 371199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a0 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056491 267767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THEORY < 1401056555 323541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, traverse rather than each < 1401056574 774240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe. why would that matter? < 1401056621 821957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it works in ghci < 1401056635 726603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you're right < 1401056638 464892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't < 1401056650 757671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also < 1401056671 674373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd %~ (*2) $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056673 82357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a1 < 1401056673 265610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a1) < 1401056673 320753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 t0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b)’ < 1401056673 320836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056673 320904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a0 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056680 554405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't help < 1401056693 450293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) < 1401056694 321806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c < 1401056695 565060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd *~ 2 $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056696 949906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a0 < 1401056697 78012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a0) < 1401056697 170204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 t0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b)’ < 1401056697 170281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056697 170321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a1 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056712 842826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that's even shorter < 1401056718 902548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still no deal with lambdabot < 1401056732 208507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why doesn't lambdabot handle this :( < 1401056749 534297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd) *~ 2 $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056750 873943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(a0 < 1401056750 959300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a0) < 1401056751 14902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 t0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b)’ < 1401056751 14973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056751 15008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a1 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056777 169190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd :: Traversal' [Integer] Integer) *~ 2 $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056778 307134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘(GHC.Integer.Type.Integer < 1401056778 392321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> f GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) < 1401056778 446713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> p0 GHC.Integer.Type.Integer (f GHC.Integer.... < 1401056778 446780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Arr.Arr... < 1401056778 446818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘a0 -> GHC.Types.Bool’ < 1401056835 903466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t indexing (backwards traverse) . indices odd < 1401056836 784338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘a -> p0 a1 (f b)’ < 1401056836 903826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[i0]’ < 1401056836 958660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible cause: ‘indices’ is applied to too many arguments < 1401056875 63545 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t indices < 1401056875 948568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix i => Array i e -> [i] < 1401056879 727531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah < 1401056886 888215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1401056892 827811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly stuff < 1401056896 347220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (indexing (backwards traverse) . Control.Lens.indices odd) *~ 2 $ [1,2,3,4] < 1401056897 483593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘Control.Lens.indices’ < 1401056897 538316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1401056897 538376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.indexed’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401056897 538411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.inside’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401056897 538449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.iuses’ (imported from Control.Lens) < 1401057018 802695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e Why doesn't lambdabot have Control.Lens.indices twh < 1401057018 987551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401057326 214160 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401057382 895650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now released a SQLite extension library. If any of you use SQLite, maybe it can be useful for you in some cases. < 1401057396 104948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because Array, I think < 1401057406 740788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.org/1sqlite http://zzo38computer.org/sql/sqlite.zip http://zzo38computer.org/sql/sqlite.txt < 1401057407 854710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: import Control.Lens as Lens < 1401057408 967799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Lens.indices < 1401057410 32888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Indexable i p, Applicative f) => (i -> Bool) -> Optical' p (Indexed i) f a a < 1401057411 939302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t L.indices < 1401057412 866412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘L.indices’ < 1401057425 423866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOST ODD < 1401057425 552847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I hid indices because < 1401057426 291619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t indices < 1401057427 205295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix i => Array i e -> [i] < 1401057433 265784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably the lens one is more useful < 1401057435 315923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEAST ODD < 1401057440 9033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...MOST EVEN? < 1401057502 95700 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401057520 661911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i got it tested and my SO comment made < 1401057552 94674 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401057555 257962 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realise GHCi exists? < 1401057641 949318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i am a haskell exhibitionist < 1401057648 632706 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1401057661 856499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i have winghci open in another window already) < 1401058454 842837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say that SQL is not a real programming language, but I don't agree with that!!! < 1401059183 64441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pinball game seem to be designed under the assumption that a free game is worth a lot more than anything else. I disagree; I think that it is usually not worth much at all but that precisely how much a free game is worth depends on the situation. < 1401059316 302651 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401059390 85432 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401059448 747157 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type indices < 1401059449 556656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix i => Array i e -> [i] < 1401059459 463328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Control.Lens.indices < 1401059460 461038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Indexable i p, Applicative f) => (i -> Bool) -> Optical' p (Indexed i) f a a < 1401059474 810325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's there, but array came first. < 1401059510 191433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Control.Lens.indices < 1401059511 297998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘Control.Lens.indices’ < 1401059511 450846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1401059511 505059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.indexed’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401059511 505144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.inside’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1401059511 505182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Control.Lens.iuses’ (imported from Control.Lens) < 1401059554 962595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to guess module abbreviations is annoying, though. < 1401059555 743698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. < 1401059576 156224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Control.Lens.indexed < 1401059576 925329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type cheats < 1401059577 490326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable b0) < 1401059577 632288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M678612761240765152220706.show_M6786127612407651522... < 1401059577 688001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1401059577 688076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1401059577 688114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable Data.Dynamic.Dynamic < 1401059579 491537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘cheats’ < 1401059581 494211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘chars’ (imported from Data.ByteString.Lens) < 1401059605 962246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Control.Lens.indexed < 1401059607 372950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable b0) < 1401059607 479979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M21213410986786399420731.show_M21213410986786399420... < 1401059607 535473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘b0’ is ambiguous < 1401059607 535544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1401059607 535580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable Data.Dynamic.Dynamic < 1401059613 59577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to know that it does import qualified Control.Lens as Lens < 1401059620 419142 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Lens.indices < 1401059621 658206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1401059621 756595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Control.Lens.Internal.Indexed.Indexed) < 1401059621 811741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M462241670695368513520745.show_M4622416706953685135... < 1401059621 811798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘e_1’ < 1401059621 811842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘i0’, ‘p0’ are ambiguous < 1401059631 139630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where l.hs < 1401059631 277493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lambdabot has in scope is at < 1401059632 77733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but Control.Lens.indexed _does_ work... < 1401059636 274558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be updated < 1401059715 276638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef < 1401059715 420161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1401059721 551851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Control.Lens.indices < 1401059722 818097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1401059722 916447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Control.Lens.Internal.Indexed.Indexed) < 1401059722 971110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘M550549437821123700020776.show_M5505494378211237000... < 1401059722 971174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘e_1’ < 1401059722 971210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variables ‘i0’, ‘p0’ are ambiguous < 1401059737 645270 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did the same for the other uses of "hiding") < 1401059749 893803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that "R" is System.Random? < 1401059773 821616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apologise for contributing to the mess of the qualification. < 1401059776 256925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that certainly looks random hth < 1401059781 670943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh my, that's outdate < 1401059782 998870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1401059852 1910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/blob/config/lambdabot/State/Pristine.hs is closer to the truth. < 1401059888 679589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks < 1401060286 936991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Μ < 1401060287 492694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+039C GREEK CAPITAL LETTER MU] < 1401060303 401613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah now i understand < 1401060448 692243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39698&oldid=39653 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-4) 10Lowercase template should work as it's a greek capital M. Also intro format. < 1401060484 176963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39699&oldid=39698 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10less space < 1401060626 405651 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401060800 59938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that FIXME looks like it has already been fixed? < 1401060807 725409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where l.hs < 1401060807 850374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lambdabot has in scope is at < 1401060837 751837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ l.hs What lambdabot has in scope is at < https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/blob/config/lambdabot/State/Pristine.hs> < 1401060837 882331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1401060840 783993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where l.hs < 1401060840 920488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lambdabot has in scope is at < https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/blob/config/lambdabot/State/Pristine.hs> < 1401060856 607175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ l.hs What lambdabot has in scope is at < 1401060856 769949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stored. < 1401060865 881384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401060897 952259 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1401061141 322664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "-c" < 1401061143 517363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "-c" < 1401061193 521266 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401061315 852670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39700&oldid=39692 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Ordo Novo < 1401061376 313262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops *Novus < 1401061585 635923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39701&oldid=39691 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10wat. < 1401061889 517431 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401061956 934534 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401062056 262237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39702&oldid=39609 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10consistent punctuation < 1401062120 176967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stuff got out of order; as far as I understand, the comment also applies to deriving instance Show (f (Mu f)) => Show (Mu f) ... anyway it wasn't added by myself :) < 1401062155 380324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never said it was. < 1401062445 966103 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401062465 176146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pinkcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39703&oldid=39616 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-18) 10wikify sectioning < 1401062868 331635 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39704&oldid=39697 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10fmt < 1401062898 480319 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401063091 94356 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401064873 147101 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1401064873 949027 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 260031Z 10004KT 360V100 15SM FEW060 BKN100 OVC200 19/13 A2990 RMK SC2AC5CI1 SLP125 DENSITY ALT 500FT < 1401064890 553392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1401064891 177388 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 252350Z 27003KT 230V310 7000 -DZ SCT007 BKN016 09/09 Q1019 RMK WIND 670FT 32005KT < 1401064900 362429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our heatwave is over, for now < 1401064940 433289 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA but no ENYA? < 1401064950 460297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENYA < 1401064950 948680 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1401064955 612255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNT < 1401064956 193214 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 260020Z 16004KT 130V190 9999 FEW042 12/09 Q1018 < 1401064965 33955 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget I can't read that < 1401064968 117419 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1401064977 220507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that I'm 90 miles away from Newcastle now < 1401065022 982935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y isn't very common at the beginning of words in norwegian. not impossible, though. (see our foxy brothers ylvisaker, if the place their ancestors came from had an airport it might get that designation.) < 1401065058 208040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh *ylvisåker, not that it matters for this. < 1401065095 387680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGYO < 1401065095 885305 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1401065100 783270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1401065108 17738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGYR < 1401065108 526269 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1401065111 419384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGYK < 1401065112 52694 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1401065121 500879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying york has no airport < 1401065128 753445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :York as no airport. < 1401065130 597378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weather station thingies? < 1401065135 312625 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closest is Leeds-Bradford. < 1401065141 540980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess it's connected to flight stuff... < 1401065152 668289 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_ICAO_code:_E#EG_-_United_Kingdom_.28and_British_Crown_dependencies.29 ? < 1401065163 883563 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they don't have to be airports but they almost all are < 1401065207 759469 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My uni's electronics department has a weather station < 1401065243 329808 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not got an ICAO code < 1401065249 190407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://weather.elec.york.ac.uk/ < 1401065258 808430 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNM < 1401065259 582121 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNM 260020Z 18004KT 9999 FEW030 09/08 Q1018 < 1401065451 847055 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNU < 1401065452 305882 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1401065455 382619 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1401065473 123283 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot clsoer < 1401065496 930966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGXD < 1401065497 521451 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGXD 252350Z AUTO 15003KT 9999 // FEW070/// 10/09 Q1018 < 1401065505 799567 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you don't have weather outside. or, maybe you don't even have an outside! < 1401065537 486853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGXD is 23 miles away < 1401065576 786943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNU is 12 or so < 1401065586 360070 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using Google Maps but roads get really wiggly) < 1401065624 689461 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leeds-Bradford is 27 miles away < 1401065639 710981 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough. < 1401065709 871091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Taneb lives here http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvv1fbrsWz1qlltjpo1_500.jpg < 1401065744 912046 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401065791 811878 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: < 1401065795 459005 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a dew point? < 1401065820 899677 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the temperature an object needs to be for condensation to appear. < 1401065833 14718 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temperature at which water vapor in the air condenses into liquid water. < 1401065838 283533 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the temperature at which dew forms. < 1401065846 95712 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1401065861 489743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like there'll be a dew today, then < 1401065896 469694 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's all according to current conditions. you always need to chill that object down from ambient temperature for dew to appear. < 1401065909 123321 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, be in the morning, as in, like, you know, regular dew.) < 1401066027 115307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the dewpoint is higher than the temperature, you're having a flood hth < 1401066057 416700 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. If the dewpoint is higher than the ambient temperature it means the air is actually water. < 1401066065 583759 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1401066075 489878 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dewpoint == temperature implies 100% humidity) < 1401066077 782419 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not outside the realm of possibility, but I think my window is open < 1401066087 941554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I haven't drowned yet < 1401066188 378848 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drowning in you own apartment. I... don't think that's something possible. < 1401066197 908417 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm on the ground floor < 1401066219 943752 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's definitely possible, though only in exceptional circumstances. < 1401066226 752929 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And drainage isn't that great here < 1401066304 114004 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal bleeding, for instance < 1401066312 552142 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1401066349 908014 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making poor use of a bathtub. < 1401066364 997566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffering from a drinking problem? < 1401066421 798206 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tieing yourself a gin tonic while taking a bath, with your bathroom's window wide open during a thunderstorm in a basement flat near an overflowing river? < 1401066436 168839 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and coughing from your ebola) < 1401066442 790859 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's just impressively misguided use of a bathtub. < 1401066450 987628 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even "actively malicious". < 1401066451 103051 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401066461 640224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you fall asleep < 1401066469 768581 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401066519 946697 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I fell asleep at least once in all kinds of vessels and containers, but never in a bathtub. < 1401066590 954701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally find beds the most soporgenic furniture < 1401066607 574166 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my flat's kitchen does encourage sleep, for some bizarre reason < 1401066626 947971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that word is so pretentious it only has one google hit hth < 1401066655 642143 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my googlebubble gives me 5 hits. < 1401066661 421929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pokemon card did you knock out seven opponent's cards in one turn? < 1401066662 508272 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, it's a hideous mix of Greek and Latin < 1401066741 257222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hypnogenic /hyp·no·gen·ic/ (-jen´ik) hypnotic (1). hypnotic [hip-not´ik]. 1. causing sleep; called also somniferous." < 1401066758 646214 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are nicer words < 1401066863 236413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also soporific < 1401066959 408387 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :narcoleptic! < 1401067021 844235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The sleep-inducing channel | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1401067055 808791 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I had a few friends round to play a game of Diana: Warrior Princess. All of them felt tired and one of them actually fell asleep. < 1401067061 647662 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we May 25 today? < 1401067075 528793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :May 26 now I think < 1401067080 46596 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me at least < 1401067126 335178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC service says May 26 < 1401067133 449180 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still the 25th here, and I saved a towel from the rain today. my bonne action is done, and my honour is safe. < 1401067133 940254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I am, it is May 25 < 1401067159 552739 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still early in Cascadia. < 1401067683 780671 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, you live in vancouver? < 1401067777 7872 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :him, not me. < 1401067799 888316 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401067837 938392 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for me, time to go further the study of the soporgenicity of my mattress. < 1401067845 56661 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EAST COAST CHICKEN < 1401067847 442719 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401067969 688845 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1401068014 197455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want internet-connection library for SQL, so that it can be made a MUD server in SQL, among other things. < 1401068109 630629 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to head to bed now < 1401068111 219066 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1401068131 756327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1401068188 815729 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401069596 516755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1401069742 175223 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a optimized text to brainfuck table < 1401069743 380342 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hastebin.com/guzayutewi.lua < 1401069760 398903 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i found here http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/5418/brainfuck-golfer/5440#5440 < 1401069761 967696 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was slow < 1401069766 211983 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :verry verry slow < 1401069829 627653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1401070305 89715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can knock out seven opponent's cards on one turn if you have 1x MAGNETON [Lv35] and 4x GENGAR [Lv38] and POKEMON FLUTE, and opponent has one active pokemon, four bench pokemon requiring only 2 more damage to be knocked out, and one PORYGON [Lv12] on bench with no damage on it. If you also have some DEFENDER cards, then you can do so without any of your own cards knocked out. < 1401070640 641993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1401070858 920631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401071741 249473 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401074024 710320 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401075197 119092 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401075360 9291 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401075517 248585 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401076117 637809 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401076424 740159 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401077173 479072 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401077892 108680 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1401078281 434642 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I watch a Planescape: Torment LP, and switch to another LP, how difficult would that be? < 1401078290 863782 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the game railroaded enough that it should be fine? < 1401078316 718220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll die < 1401078420 23507 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it forbidden to talk of being ok and not ok and forbidden and allowed as though they can be relative to situations and not necessarily extreme? < 1401078534 983092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, i sometimes worry a little bit if we are teasing Sgeo too much. < 1401078623 629285 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^previous statement was deliberately made vulnerable to the same kind of thing < 1401078650 896459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, yours or mine < 1401078682 254612 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine < 1401078691 786323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. or wait... < 1401078835 266710 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401078993 664091 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401080977 249025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you seen http://millcomputing.com/docs/ < 1401081014 121772 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401081138 972509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh bitcoin is up 30% in a week < 1401081516 531903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so shachaf < 1401081648 768090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has all sorts of interesting ideas < 1401081699 255252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all in the form of hour-long videos, though, which is why i'm only now finally watching them < 1401081711 269799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might enjoy it < 1401082267 660410 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that replacement for registers? i don't want to watch videos < 1401082310 314709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401082426 506282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about the "belt" thing < 1401082484 792964 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1401082562 254794 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ywp < 1401082563 354429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the videos, yes < 1401084180 407288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be about rapid hardware iteration too < 1401084389 553753 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapid hardware zwitterion < 1401085296 361441 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401086173 184974 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401087375 285748 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401087661 584281 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401087774 239251 :password2!~password@197.77.53.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401087869 335755 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401087977 264348 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401088438 125660 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401089442 725004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep boop < 1401089443 305481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401089444 710647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09hillocoin 02alecoin 06mrozmancoin 13argarcoin 04devcoin 07juvecoin 08moxcoin 09lorumcoin 02*wcoin 06pahecoin 13magecoin 04errinuspcoin 07finingcoin 08deancoin 09trigjcoin 02catecoin 06godzicoin 13orncoin 04anycoin 07fobcoin < 1401089493 326853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKIP took first place in the europarl voting? :( < 1401089628 941225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some weird irony in the fact that the people who care the most to vote for the office of UK MEP are the people who want it not to exist < 1401089653 355958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is how the right always works. "we believe government is the problem, elect us and we'll show you" < 1401089705 252590 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-muahowxfakrubpda QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401090748 860191 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401090777 13447 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1401091342 295605 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401092909 284340 :password2!~password@197.77.53.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401092999 625550 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401096319 142061 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401096319 356097 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401096434 845727 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401096629 780495 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401096684 987310 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdijyqrrwyyftsua QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401099315 652997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401099465 667543 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401099574 578270 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401099614 671455 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401100266 556488 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I just ordered Parallel and Concurrent Programming in Haskell < 1401100367 376585 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401100513 339088 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so you really been far as decided to use even go want to learn you more a haskell for great good like? < 1401100541 536074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is words a lot making sense little help understand no < 1401100559 463098 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, probably < 1401102229 504701 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, parsing fun. (Help ((I just ordered (Parallel and Concurrent Programming) in Haskell)) -- I hope you did not use unsafePerformIO. < 1401102268 259214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it wrong. I meant (Help ((I just ordered (Parallel and Concurrent Programming)) in Haskell) < 1401102295 204056 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1401102331 59753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure there is a correct way of writing this without reordering the words into a syntax tree) < 1401102414 901720 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data TanebTree a = Leaf a | Node (Tree a) (Tree a) deriving (Show, Read, Eq, Irc) < 1401102495 485709 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HALTING CHICKEN < 1401102961 979012 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401103433 90525 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401104183 587536 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401104476 665020 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401104830 553042 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: What do you do with a vampire? < 1401104842 71822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making them jump into a core clear doesn't seem to be very effective < 1401104876 625145 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume making them jump into bomb-throw loop is probably far more effective? < 1401104881 579908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or scan loop < 1401104887 60776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a core clear is rather slow < 1401105397 573300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401105886 104563 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: making the opponent jump into a trap that splits off lots of useless processes is most effective. Normally the trap also does a clear... < 1401106053 776312 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there's a list of publish vampires here http://corewar.co.uk/z.htm < 1401106161 957126 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fact: John McCarthy (inventor of LISP) and Uncle Bob Martin (Agile evangelist) invented and implemented the first vampire! < 1401106306 457910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yeah < 1401106313 572740 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the difference to just throwing spl 0? < 1401106318 500143 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also splits off lots of processes < 1401106331 82254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make them jump into a core clear that splits off processes < 1401106345 358403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after I'm done throwing jump bombs I move a DAT bomb into the core clear loop < 1401106362 245068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and enter a core clear myself < 1401106442 430698 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spl 0 splits off a few processes that stay in the opponent's code. Jumping to a spl 0 / spl -1 / spl -2 tray splits off processes, that split off more processes, etc. They're also no longer running any of the opponent's code. < 1401106515 328667 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably just let your clear wipe the trap. If the trap contains a clear, you could make that one wipe the trap as well :-) < 1401106611 89157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401106657 212205 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401106829 946719 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well. It got me 103.8 on the beginners hill < 1401106867 88743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401107062 361621 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401107330 883522 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 953 < 1401107331 362291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 953: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1401110083 136003 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401110328 19438 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1401110353 110985 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401110774 944853 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401111037 507665 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401112192 243353 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401112811 246625 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-tyboxqgwqslyftwl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401113134 134641 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401113668 524035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My automatic Facebook page is malfunctioning < 1401113932 438371 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it? < 1401113971 266795 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401114175 489010 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1401114175 657206 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401114263 591134 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401114322 96795 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401115270 241982 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401115406 613304 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401115961 889822 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401116345 245010 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401116477 435227 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1401116481 520849 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401116667 130168 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401116765 816592 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401116780 222491 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401116835 256584 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401116849 325034 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1401116885 205923 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401116970 555776 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401117139 819552 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401117378 409744 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401117786 649795 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401117978 474247 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401118233 466725 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401118541 324483 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401118705 424133 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401118709 249936 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1401119088 908180 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikrddrpxyzusxpej JOIN :#esoteric < 1401119574 503294 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401119639 554407 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401119685 772868 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401119954 978395 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/26inbh/define_has_an_optional_third_argument_that/ < 1401119991 373645 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401119995 936831 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401120004 78688 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pay.reddit.com/r/esolangs/comments/26ie70/favorite_esolangs_om_and_unlambda/ activity < 1401120378 456339 :syndrome!~superior@hosting.rikairchy.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401120722 435395 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401121091 833941 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: bizarre < 1401121207 208386 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1401121362 513296 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1401121400 471227 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401121948 537620 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Added array_map() function that applies a callback to the elements of given arrays and returns the result. It can also be used with a null callback to transpose arrays. (Andrei)" < 1401122031 280016 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as arrayfun < 1401122048 510675 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1401122439 798422 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does a null pointer suddenly transpose an array o_O < 1401122692 338069 :shikhout!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1401123027 802755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> transpose [[a,b,c],[d,e,f],[g,h,i]] < 1401123029 124611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[a,d,g],[b,e,h],[c,f,i]] < 1401123049 481883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipWith3 (\(x,y,z) -> [x,y,z]) [a,b,c] [d,e,f] [g,h,i] < 1401123050 488511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr < 1401123050 575156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr -> d’ < 1401123050 631292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[t0]’ < 1401123050 631353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include < 1401123050 631392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : z :: t0 (bound at :1:17) < 1401123058 663983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipWith3 (\(x,y,z) -> [x,y,z]) [a,b,c] [d,e,f] [g,h,i] :: [[Expr]] < 1401123059 871232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr < 1401123060 18597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr < 1401123060 74369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> [Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr]’ < 1401123060 74448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[t0]’ < 1401123060 538522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include < 1401123063 939514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipWith3 (\x y z -> [x,y,z]) [a,b,c] [d,e,f] [g,h,i] :: [[Expr]] < 1401123065 180647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[a,d,g],[b,e,h],[c,f,i]] < 1401123080 186140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see why? < 1401123171 779383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Python: < 1401123172 430682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> l = [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9]]; map(None, *l) < 1401123172 484862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(1, 4, 7), (2, 5, 8), (3, 6, 9)] < 1401123176 402272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> l = [[1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9]]; map(lambda *ll: list(ll), *l) < 1401123176 458671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1, 4, 7], [2, 5, 8], [3, 6, 9]] < 1401123176 638469 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term "bass ackwards" comes to mind." < 1401123186 622219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the transpose behaviour is reasonable. < 1401123193 22866 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tipes < 1401123210 141876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'In my view, HTTP/2.0 should kill Cookies as a concept, and replace it with a session/identity facility, which makes it easier to do things right with HTTP/2.0 than with HTTP/1.1.' < 1401123222 632329 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES PLEASE. Except Cookies could still be useful for other things, if maybe modernized somehow < 1401123244 204147 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sesion facility < 1401123255 704044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the web-server manages sessions? < 1401123357 470751 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a bit weird to count null as a function, i guess, even if it's the obvious choice < 1401123386 540276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can think of it as mapping with "no function", but yeah, such is dynamically-typed languages < 1401123486 142263 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh, hm, fair enough < 1401123517 279726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda weird to have something do the dual duty of map and zip like that < 1401123529 236628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I sort of like it < 1401123547 402335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\[x,y,z] -> (x,y,z)) . transpose $ [[a,b,c],[d,e,f],[g,h,i]] < 1401123548 753377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(a,d,g),(b,e,h),(c,f,i)] < 1401123569 735206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :transpose can be thought of as basically variadic zip < 1401123593 115520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if your map does variadic zipWith, it's already doing transposes, really < 1401123677 733238 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was common for map to do "double duty" like that. i'd never heard of zip before haskell and its fixed argument counts < 1401123715 637119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/documentation/mit-scheme-ref/Mapping-of-Lists.html eg < 1401124054 241835 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos if you have apply map f xs = (apply f (map1 car xs)):(map1 cdr xs); map f [] = [] as the kids say < 1401124100 352165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's fairly common < 1401124488 221915 :password2!~password@197.78.153.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401124758 434577 :password2!~password@197.78.153.139 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401125069 39958 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401125221 140625 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401125513 492426 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-184-244.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401125597 599878 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401126117 657433 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401126327 603470 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401126469 497042 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401126667 224581 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1401126687 7370 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1401126845 661955 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401126863 779953 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401127191 259348 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I can't think of anything that wouldn't already be satisfied by localStorage, to be honest. < 1401127238 575491 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401127824 515123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401127872 357330 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401128349 468072 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/fours.pdf i wrote this < 1401128379 228914 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the next step. algebraic numbers sounds sorta possible?? < 1401128413 732512 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying Snobol!.pdf < 1401128439 132990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: do you want proofreading? "some selectin [sic] of operators" < 1401128457 387505 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. i didn't spellcheck it at all yes < 1401128500 811644 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n+1 radices" but i think the word would be "radicals", not sure < 1401128520 583043 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia calls the sign a "radix" but yeah i thought that was weird < 1401128595 425745 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is pretty cute. < 1401128680 225493 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe gaussian rationals < 1401128720 333355 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how i'd get to "i". do people Actually Write, like, \sqrt(-4) = 2i < 1401128729 887681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1401128735 346073 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1401128742 571240 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was taught that's wrong because: -2i < 1401128750 384099 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can throw a plus or minus on there. < 1401128764 68806 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're already using repeated radicals, you must be taking the principle value < 1401128779 305978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw minor stylistic thing, but if you have an expository footnote with 'clearly' on it then ask yourself why you need the footnote at all < 1401128786 811663 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess < 1401128813 230702 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401128819 53872 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401128842 387734 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401128868 88997 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(.5^n) has, what... 2^n values? < 1401128876 432119 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: maybe i should rather get rid of the clearly < 1401128934 246547 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401129030 124755 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you're going to be able to express algebraic numbers in radicals, though < 1401129202 128655 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401129218 510468 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401129223 106957 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1401129272 706637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, I'm not sure you need that much exposition about that part though. < 1401129281 295443 :adu!~ajr@ip-64-134-243-107.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401129301 481894 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sorta obvious but leaving the explanation out feels not very rigorous < 1401129329 949213 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. makes it seem like i'm just reasoning "oh well if i just make it stupidly huge it's bound to be divisible by n??" < 1401129356 824197 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a math paper dude, you have to explain as little as possible < 1401129436 357582 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's not so much that it's huge as that it has any possible factors, which is, dare i say.... trivial < 1401129529 662807 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i wanna see how you express a root of x⁵-x+1 in four fours. aaaaand go < 1401129533 358298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/ad0622cffc8bdc0c5684 is this code UB due to aliasing rules? if so, why doesn't GCC warn even with -Wall -Wstrict-aliasing=4 < 1401129664 753878 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it warn in LLVM? < 1401129671 178346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, the book I ordered has already been dispatched! < 1401129733 469705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in clang? seems not < 1401129738 526880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going by http://gcc.godbolt.org/ < 1401129745 329623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw there is now http://rust.godbolt.org/ < 1401129773 191232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Rust the aliasing rules are actually, like, enforced < 1401129836 518803 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like fortran! < 1401129880 73153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep lolol < 1401129894 2298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we give LLVM as much aliasing information as we should, though < 1401129914 89305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a recent thing to even tell it which pointers are guaranteed to be non-NULL < 1401129934 841295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a frontend optimization whereby Option<&T> is a single word, with None represented as a NULL pointer < 1401129972 411885 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401130166 597076 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, can the compiler infer that? < 1401130225 550213 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I bought the Discworld Ankh-Morpork board game < 1401130252 889119 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 QUIT :Quit: . < 1401130329 808308 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Taneb the compiler is hard-coded to know &T is a non-null pointer < 1401130346 977690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has an optimization for any enum structurally matching enum Option { None, Some(T) } < 1401130356 94752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be specifically core::option::Option < 1401130380 778033 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401130381 399164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's smart enough to do, say, enum Foo { Bar, Baz, Quux(&uint) } with 0x0000...0000 and 0x0000...0001 < 1401130388 601313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more of a platform specific thing < 1401130399 922145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have plans to do that manually (with unsafe code) for interned strings in Servo < 1401130431 580387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fewer than 4k common strings on the web (e.g. tag names, attribute names) that you would intern at compile time < 1401130433 287499 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401130438 177189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so give each one an "address" within the first page of memory < 1401130480 383073 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401130483 421410 :realz!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401130483 478702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually an interned string is just a pointer to a string but this interferes with some other things I want t odo < 1401130559 264066 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401130571 391568 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully rustc can learn to steal bits from other types too in some non-hardcoded way < 1401130583 95619 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Spidermoney's NaN stuffing < 1401130587 791057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401130593 813686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the source of security holes at one point < 1401130597 800282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in SM or V8, don't remember which) < 1401130606 216315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> afk < 1401130619 779927 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which is why having rustc able to check would be great :) < 1401130701 895372 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s NaN stuffing? Using the variable bits in a NaN for something? < 1401130714 782076 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1401130729 418158 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401130738 433079 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401130992 649926 :adu!~ajr@ip-64-134-243-107.public.wayport.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1401131238 530153 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For storing pointers, I guess < 1401131350 860160 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Projects/SpiderMonkey/Internals < 1401131355 810553 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see "Javascript Values" on that page < 1401131385 485776 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaN-boxing is a technique based on the fact that in IEEE-754 there are 2**47 different bit patterns that all represent NaN < 1401131431 762149 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much lost space < 1401131482 291241 :xk002!~001@a94-133-17-81.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1401131493 818429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC one of V8 or SM represents doubles "plainly" and objects as pointers inside the payload of a NaN, whereas the other instead represents pointers plainly and numbers via some indirection step < 1401131509 949668 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't remember how the latter works.. < 1401131582 399932 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, tagged pointers < 1401132112 670307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want SmallVec in the std lib :< < 1401132123 941578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should Just Fuckin Do It < 1401132230 180635 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s that? < 1401132247 629414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a cute term ... "right parenthesis deficit disorder". (I've just started reading "The Art of Procrastination". < 1401132284 216270 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401132356 77328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was totally wasted on the target audience (oerjan, who isn't even here. maybe he'll read it later.) < 1401132372 819437 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401132412 65995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Vec is a standard growable vector like C++'s std::vec, SmallVec is similar but doesn't do a heap allocation for storing only 1 element < 1401132439 643649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, it's named SmallVector < 1401132461 628404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enum SmallVector { None, One(T), Many(Vec) } < 1401132467 342218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so < 1401132472 674803 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1401132480 251492 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1401132864 993853 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401132901 765028 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny how they call them “enum”. < 1401132932 192557 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :esnum < 1401133247 400686 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401133589 308983 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401133991 673791 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :enum is a bit weird, I would've liked it if they went with haskell on that bit instead, and e.g. let enum be an enumeration of int-like things < 1401134003 632042 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1401134110 221168 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haxe's enum is awesome < 1401134121 14371 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame it doesn't support generics < 1401134270 523030 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401134361 110555 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401134755 341504 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401135371 556513 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401135524 527101 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401135592 342507 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401136074 719505 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1401136115 969339 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401136431 639539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: what does it do? < 1401136442 102581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, the duplication of functionality between struct and enum is sort of annoying < 1401136471 273518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's still that way? :'( < 1401136480 577702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401136490 155684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I used Rust about a year ago I thought people were talking about changing it. < 1401136495 568807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1401136498 187369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are always talking about changing everything < 1401136513 966931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also struct-syntax enum variants are feature-gated now < 1401136519 90146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that's a step forward or back < 1401136529 965097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct has a C ABI guarantee, but that could easily be an attribute, which it already is for enum! < 1401136540 625541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#[repr(C)] (case sensitive ;_;) < 1401136545 866513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the situation I remember. < 1401136564 292441 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#[repr(KMC)] < 1401136599 290370 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does case insensitivity work in unicode anyway < 1401136607 937256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: complicatedly hth < 1401136647 635700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even do ASCII case folding without knowing the locale < 1401136657 848198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks a lot Atatürk < 1401136686 183130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Case_folding < 1401136716 65085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode makes a distinction between case mapping and case folding, and only really defines the latter http://www.unicode.org/faq/casemap_charprop.html < 1401136723 195454 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401136736 272724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former being a snake pit of locale and UX concerns < 1401136765 341743 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, the third answer rules. < 1401136784 920854 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do all scripts have case?" "no, here is a list of almost every one that does, and then there are tens of thousands that don't" < 1401136788 844043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401136795 942273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about hiragana and katakana!!! < 1401136804 759024 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh that's a good question actually < 1401136811 601616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's case but not as we know it? < 1401136811 797367 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a lot of time katakana is transliterated as allcaps < 1401136817 265774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are generally not considered "case" and they don't have a 1:1 mapping? < 1401136823 493955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how exactly linguists define "case" < 1401136824 207153 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: opinion < 1401136851 345091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :konnichi wanotone < 1401136851 745097 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's case exactly but i thought there was a 1:1 < 1401136852 92256 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401136866 86117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is < 1401136880 841878 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're just syllabries (sp) < 1401136890 99341 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 1:1 with kanji of course. < 1401136891 507118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :case in cyrillic is extra weird < 1401136901 849170 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard it described as being similar to case. < 1401136901 919952 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the small ones have completely different meanings and most characters aren't used in small versions < 1401136902 110414 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401136903 895186 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, how's it work? i have no idea other than vague rememberance of capital letters' < 1401136908 521853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :print lowercase looks like smallcaps but script lowercase is totally different < 1401136917 427735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also script hebrew is totally different from print hebrew < 1401136925 193101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and script arabic is basically whatever the hell you want < 1401136938 528850 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :script english is pretty weird too... not that it's used much anymore < 1401136945 102410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401136950 16891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made us learn cursive in middle school < 1401136950 729025 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the peculiarities of cased alphabets is that the cases get mixed in normal writing. < 1401136951 531147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck all that < 1401136954 634284 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i personally like how script german from before WWII is unreadable by modern speakers < 1401136960 634306 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have rules for capitalization and whatever. < 1401136961 783533 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of font changes < 1401136964 964210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even write my own name in cursive anymore; my signature has gradually decayed to a few squiggles < 1401136974 610570 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know they still make you write in cursive on the SAT? crazy. < 1401136977 339122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401136979 317525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1401136987 819872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the ACT you have to copy a paragraph long assertion that you didn't cheat, in cursive < 1401136993 613143 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, same on the SAT. < 1401136996 448484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401137003 736288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that from the SAT but I took it... fuck, more than 10 years ago < 1401137014 987542 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never took any of those < 1401137016 83664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well I took it a bunch of times as a small child but I last took it more than 10 yeras ago) < 1401137017 826307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1401137031 655651 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: thank god for the internet where i just lowercase everywhere (except initialisms, apaprently) < 1401137037 565634 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With kana you don't have similar "rules" as such. < 1401137045 287418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i copied that paragraph in non-cursive < 1401137049 338670 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1401137050 530223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. rebellious imo < 1401137069 497263 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: don't you have the general rule that katakana is used for foreign pronunciations or something? not as complicated as casing, of course, but still < 1401137082 215864 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess if you took that argument far enough you could describe print/script as a case distinction, hrm. < 1401137120 836673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: script hebrew isn't mixed in with print hebrwe, though < 1401137122 373478 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yeah, but it's not considered "ungrammatical" to switch them, at least not to the degree improper case usage would be for English. < 1401137149 274052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like cursive. which i guess is why you were talking about cursive < 1401137204 902307 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: i dunno, i mean in many contexts it's okay to ignore case rules and write in allcaps, and that's not "ungramamtical" either < 1401137252 870315 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I guess in Latin script the use of uppercase is broken down into proper nouns, sentence-initial capitalization, emphasis, initialisms, etc. < 1401137266 91440 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401137271 693247 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401137272 991009 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With katakana it's basically emphasis and conventional loanword spellings and not much else. < 1401137326 680596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think the two kana alphabets will eventually merge? < 1401137333 105774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the kind of complexity that is locally reducible < 1401137359 15892 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if the all-caps thing is really emphasis or not, actually. Certainly it's not unheard of to spell things entirely in katakana, either, though that gives people flashbacks to half-width kana on old terminal screens. < 1401137438 582503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather than, say, ditching Han characters, which in Korea required a royally chartered committe of 15th century conlang nerds and a few centuries of colonial oppression + nationalism) < 1401137460 59747 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not sure, really. I don't really see it happening in the foreseeable future, though. < 1401137472 408052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not very much of the future is forseeable < 1401137481 22668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a joke to think that anyone can forsee anything < 1401137491 491187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm on a sort of absurdist nihilist / existentialism kick lately < 1401137495 188989 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc gets deep < 1401137500 642704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :balls deep < 1401137505 61020 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: so is there a 1:1 mapping between the syllabries, though < 1401137517 765096 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there was, except for maybe something with archaic syllables < 1401137522 948400 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yeah, there is. < 1401137530 563691 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1401137544 434477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I foresee a sunrise about 6 hours from now ... < 1401137563 958864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ymmv) < 1401137583 272415 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the kana that were in use in the early 20th century have hiragana and katakana versions. < 1401137598 48118 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401137602 556342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'll tell my Sun Crusher to stand down < 1401137619 263196 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1401137634 95175 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401137866 818969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: much appreciated < 1401137903 156310 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401137945 296506 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1401137988 235301 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401138184 135002 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:7dfd:b1b3:f079:643c JOIN :#esoteric < 1401138192 833318 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401138438 321666 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401138531 296163 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401138651 575376 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who actually called John McCarthy the father of AI? < 1401139063 746393 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked it up and found "Lisp paved way for iPhone 4s' Siri voice recognition software" so i'm laffin < 1401139132 897637 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't see anything but a bunch of obituaries, so probably nobody < 1401139405 93653 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401139731 153718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401140211 727238 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I search on Google books and found a few published in the 1980's which called McCarthy the father of AI. (Also a few which called Turing or Minsky the father of AI) < 1401140243 861477 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401140735 862941 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807] < 1401140903 120129 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked about McCarthy on #ai, but they just keep refining are restating my original question :-( < 1401140938 632725 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401141045 641720 :password2!~password@197.78.130.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401141783 480622 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The earliest example I can find is in a review of "Scientific Temperaments: Three Lives in Contemporary Science" - New Scientist, March 1983 < 1401141873 521771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: sounds like the other people on #ai are ai's < 1401142365 631560 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401142541 614622 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401143022 27356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `olist 953 <-- darn < 1401143056 300126 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:7dfd:b1b3:f079:643c QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401143067 217312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401143125 575522 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401143182 215069 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401143497 258046 :tory_perez!~canaima@190.39.166.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401143571 3835 :tory_perez!~canaima@190.39.166.196 PART :#esoteric < 1401143934 110714 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. I missed a `relcopportunity. < 1401144270 756838 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401144326 972582 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401144412 319032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if "cheryllium" is on this channel. < 1401144432 369753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :under some other nick, in case < 1401144446 165110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the moderator of /r/esolangs) < 1401144472 677482 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i think i've seen them before < 1401144543 582596 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, someone with that nick has been in #lisp afore < 1401144576 514556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you recall cheryllium from here before? < 1401144593 13183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks idle. oh right, tokyo. < 1401144628 162456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like that subreddit has just reactivated a little. < 1401144643 63763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i made a comment on one of the posts) < 1401144645 744542 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an /r/esolangs? < 1401144655 901162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one Deewiant linked) < 1401144669 610293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well sure, there's a subreddit for _everything_ duh < 1401144694 480346 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind knows there's a subreddit for everything, but my heart disagrees. < 1401144715 29305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401144729 404322 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a subreddit for that. < 1401144774 300138 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mapole somebody in a meta fashion? what's the adverb for “meta”? < 1401144784 102836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/subreddit/ < 1401144795 913830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No recursing." < 1401144847 979908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think technically meta may _be_ an adverb, in the original greek. < 1401144860 637327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's a preposition, not quite sure < 1401144861 878435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one one everything ... http://www.reddit.com/r/everything/ but none on anything? < 1401144966 608330 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION metaly mapoles Jafet. “May you suffer from pseudogrammatical hardwood!” < 1401144974 277121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that has the right tagline, at least < 1401145029 750272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wiktionary says it's both < 1401145071 259168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that in ancient indoeuropean, the border between adverb and preposition wasn't very fixed. < 1401145086 520582 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook. < 1401145146 11318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course even modern languages sometimes turn other word classes into preposition. e.g. french "chez" and norwegian "hos" which both come from the word for house iirc, and coincidentally also mean the same thing. < 1401145155 718903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1401145232 417680 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«chez» comes from “house”? < 1401145274 971264 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Fait chiese, chese (« maison ») en ancien français, altéré en chez en raison de son emploi proclitique, du latin casa (« maison »). < 1401145296 514901 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr:maison, so oerjan was right. < 1401145387 795741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm although they both are from original k- somthing, wiktionary does _not_ claim fr:chez/la:casa to be cognate with no:hus/hos/en:house < 1401145392 126719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+e < 1401145504 353575 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en:house ← “from Proto-Germanic *husan... of unknown origin”. < 1401145529 130137 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401145547 284453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary says "possibly from Proto-Indo-European *(s)keus-, from *(s)keu- 'to hide'" < 1401145577 560136 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401145596 699153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the germanic h- <-> indoeuropean k- correspondence is pretty regular.) < 1401145651 485322 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401145670 989810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's dubious enough that casa and house _might_ be cognates, although there's probably a reason they don't assume so outright... < 1401145712 154311 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1401145741 958472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Kyoto, not Tokyo. < 1401145752 583900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tokyo tomorrow.) < 1401145755 545031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLOSE ENOUGH < 1401145790 785604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess i was also here 5 years ago. how time flies. < 1401145802 117585 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Casa" and "house" look like cognates if you ask me. < 1401145804 862736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name rings a bell but I could be imagining it. Have to leave now, anyway. -> < 1401145805 279302 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you didn't ask me. < 1401145807 921630 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't listen to me. < 1401145832 203016 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cheryllium"? Yeah, it does seem oddly familiar. < 1401145835 998922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes they do, so why don't the linguists think so... < 1401145860 171337 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would presume that linguists are more careful than that. :) < 1401145862 553744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"avocado" and "guacamole" are cognates < 1401145862 967269 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: お早う! < 1401145875 594007 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Otanoshimi ni. < 1401145876 591806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from nah:āhuacatl < 1401145882 579427 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the etymology things say... < 1401145903 935728 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nah < 1401145904 479723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah no ambiguity here < 1401145934 926744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nahuatl < 1401145939 949650 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :House comes from Proto-Germanic *husan "of unknown origin"; casa "possibly" comes from PIE *kat- meaning "link, weave". < 1401145953 512996 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the reason the linguists don't think so is that they know better. < 1401146007 467307 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a while I've wanted to come up with some sort of "notation" for writing words in terms of how they came out of PIE. < 1401146012 578203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well assuming they're sure that casa used to have a t. < 1401146033 252070 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"t" could have turned into "s", no? < 1401146055 356345 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, certain "k"s turned into "s"s... somewhere down the road from Latin. < 1401146112 549520 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. google translate doesn't support nahuatl. there's Mongol and Néerlandais, but no nahuatl. < 1401146214 994375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there presumably is a way it could have happened. < 1401146258 811612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39705&oldid=37929 5* 03Oj742 5* (+1886) 10/* 2013: Gave smartlock a description*/ < 1401146265 770532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if casa is a passive participle < 1401146293 592906 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indwelt! < 1401146353 242682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i keep delaying eating -> < 1401146514 406200 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, those Proto-Indo-Europeans. What kind of word is "dhǵhemon"? < 1401146565 845972 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a fricative-clustered lemon. < 1401146570 657426 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fricative < 1401146571 110330 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1097) nooodl: when my girlfriend asks me to give her uvular fricative I'm pretty sure that's not what she means < 1401146585 215488 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DOUBTING CHICKEN < 1401146776 352327 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401147214 133915 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:401f:852d:9ee7:83d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401147257 770342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quote was so good i considered addquoting it before i realized it already was < 1401147272 67403 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1401147272 608020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :589) I'd insult you behind your back, but I don't care which side of your back I insult you on. < 1401147478 854067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head $ runStateT (many $ StateT (reads :: ReadS Int)) "1 2 3 four" -- exhibit < 1401147480 345315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([1,2,3]," four") < 1401147643 100551 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401147760 390260 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401147997 950982 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401149278 703323 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401149394 899909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't think you're going to be able to express algebraic numbers in radicals, though <-- pretty sure he won't be ABEL to < 1401149600 327042 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1401149658 190874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what no hiss < 1401149672 840431 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not worth it < 1401149689 370129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1401149834 936355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ) < 1401149876 554742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not one of those guys with a normal sleeping schedule is he < 1401150067 219408 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:401f:852d:9ee7:83d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401151656 70405 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401152067 527486 :xk002!~001@a94-133-17-81.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401152642 455629 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401152680 409152 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401152704 454412 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401152961 30394 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401153038 147008 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:446c:84d5:d759:e57e JOIN :#esoteric < 1401153239 294514 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401153239 385477 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401153415 824543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday i biked on Abel Street in Milpitas CA < 1401153420 762582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed to come up with a good pun about commuting < 1401153476 704920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, Milpitas CA < 1401153478 408057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to live there < 1401153506 502092 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401153519 218870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really < 1401153519 864452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1401153539 604360 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reverse of it is acsatiplim. < 1401153563 711479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :people need a place to go hth < 1401153564 233764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem so < 1401153578 765580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was for a month and a half or so < 1401153607 717529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :summer 2010 < 1401153611 592107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1401153613 190165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1401153631 193626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday's ride http://www.strava.com/routes/365633 < 1401153661 319832 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401153663 269456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been to that reservoir < 1401153667 200856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah? < 1401153668 915621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how / why < 1401153669 254719 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my everything is still sore :p < 1401153674 523379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least near it < 1401153679 725107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i lived nearby < 1401153686 114911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in milpitas? < 1401153687 159490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1401153693 350724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the pieces are beginning to fit together < 1401153728 694492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :petersburg drive < 1401153752 571708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pity it's not called "petersburg st." < 1401153783 57497 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's a plane in the reservoir < 1401153893 563611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1401153906 233926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLAAAAAANE < 1401153908 872984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wrong channel < 1401153976 736305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : __!__ < 1401153982 118630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____(_)_____ < 1401153998 293931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Stephen C. Hayne < 1401154008 717727 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do that ride again but maybe with a picnic and twice as much water :p < 1401154075 255655 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:446c:84d5:d759:e57e QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401154229 749955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think milpitas used to be called mailpits before the big earthquake. < 1401154245 561012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401154246 921499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13priniconcoin 04muscucoin 07catamcoin 08zoosedcoin 09lazycoin 02glashbcoin 06excompressicucoin 13rentanyploanycoin 04pourcoin 07solecoin 08mazecoin 09illcoin 02medcoin 06shakhcoin 13moucoin 04pratcoin 07nandcoin 08sorcoin 09um-32coin 02incaviacoin < 1401154456 507189 :vvn1!~Uuni@c-75-74-164-220.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401154472 844155 :vvn1!~Uuni@c-75-74-164-220.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oogah boogah < 1401154535 686948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome vvn1 < 1401154536 414241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.) < 1401154623 492853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you ever go to the IHOP in Milpitas < 1401154631 840667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the Black Bear Diner < 1401154633 987556 :vvn1!~Uuni@c-75-74-164-220.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, thanks for the welcome < 1401154640 778358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1401154642 132737 :vvn1!~Uuni@c-75-74-164-220.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone interested in doom metal? < 1401154657 854375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i was nearby once < 1401154670 475879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vvn1: that's even more off topic than usual for our channel < 1401154681 831449 :vvn1!~Uuni@c-75-74-164-220.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you’d be surprised < 1401154706 240353 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is russian circles metal? i think they're fairly doom < 1401154771 993022 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says "post-metal", good enough for me < 1401154776 87500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401154782 770971 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be chalcogens < 1401154784 683621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-doom metal, okay < 1401154805 216900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in this mill thing you can load from a null or invalid pointer and get a "not a result" result rather than an immediate page fault < 1401154813 846654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that wor < 1401154814 796405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1401154819 923684 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, doom post-metal. post-doom metal is either very peppy, or based around surpassing popular musician MC DOOM < 1401154828 107138 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MF DOOM rather < 1401154832 881198 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should just be an MC fuck < 1401154842 154582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some metadata bits for things in the equivalent of registers < 1401154855 406574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if you don't use the NaR you don't get a page fault < 1401154862 205130 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-184-244.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401154898 400637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can speculatively load things that you might not use as long as you don't store or branch on the result or something < 1401154917 699817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :their example is implementing a vectorized strcpy and reading past the \0 < 1401155009 220572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does that work if the page exists but needs to be swapped in? < 1401155029 349329 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-184-244.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401155036 212170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good, I had that exact issue once < 1401155044 191700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in that case a different thing would happen presumably < 1401155045 577456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seems like; it's traditionally the page fault handler which does that < 1401155053 504581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1401155058 839082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, how would you deal with that < 1401155069 884279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how page faults work exactly < 1401155085 619349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another metadata value is "None", such that storing a None into memory does nothing < 1401155100 358884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is their strcpy thing: http://millcomputing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/intro_strcpy.png < 1401155186 222050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how they deal with that; i was wondering < 1401155186 458487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1401155232 684702 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this diagram needs is an oracle that tells whether there will be a match two steps in advance. < 1401155257 285487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1401155296 508139 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore me, i haven’t been following the discussion, just clicked the link. Going back to http://youtu.be/HuzC0MAlo0w → < 1401155372 791865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the context of the diagram: http://millcomputing.com/topic/introduction-to-the-mill-cpu-programming-model-2/ < 1401155414 377195 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, i’ll open it in tab #15432 for later. < 1401155437 418616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser crashed and lost all my tabs a couple of weeks ago < 1401155439 713998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have no tabs < 1401155441 324580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1401155467 575401 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven’t had the courage to do that, i have restored them from a backup in the past. < 1401155472 502912 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401155531 764791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing they have that isn't mentioned on that page is two instructions pointers, one going backwards and one going forwards < 1401155627 363832 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend just introduced me to the Pokemon TCG < 1401155644 195510 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to Android Netrunner, but there's no online version and I suck at it < 1401155763 614492 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401155895 107376 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd not to Yu-Gi-Oh which he called broken < 1401155949 708041 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, on occasion, my friend and I bust out the pokemon cards and go at it. The game is shallow at first glance, but there is a decent amount of strategy involved. This mostly comes into play in the deckbuilding process. Pokemon is more draw oriented than Magic, meaning that the key to winning is drawing more of your deck than your opponent, making cards like Professor Oak incredible. " < 1401155955 482274 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I don't like deckbuildin < 1401155958 789406 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1401156460 752275 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/26jfqy/this_golden_card_is_weaker_than_its_normal_version/ < 1401156533 528394 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401156617 676381 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401156709 570794 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401156812 297101 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1401156887 3879 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if any existing language is particularly suited to a computational variant of Exquisite Corpse. < 1401156905 839205 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we call that game software development round these parts < 1401157209 534046 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401157403 162064 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1401157420 653071 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401157610 582324 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Client Quit < 1401157628 610575 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401157667 920566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you played this game that I know only as "the paper game", where people in a circle take turns either describing a drawing with words or drawing something from a description, and you only see the previous attempt < 1401157680 581985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you read out the words after n iterations < 1401157688 98205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does it have another name < 1401157711 469450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's played with picees of paper that are folded accordion-like so that you only see one drawing or description) < 1401157752 134623 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have played this < 1401157766 532349 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a website that works a bit like that, where it prompts you to draw or describe something. < 1401157806 58880 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a website version of this, yeah. and seeing the evolution < 1401157814 847849 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until inevietably somebody just draws a penis < 1401157832 198180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1401157836 90951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the easiest things to draw < 1401157839 480763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pac-man < 1401157841 797362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got a lot of pac-man < 1401158214 762523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not played this < 1401158223 487250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, written words, not spoken words < 1401158585 408344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401158684 286684 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-175-184-244.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401158987 197019 :vvn1!~Uuni@c-75-74-164-220.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1401159027 958339 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401159917 922053 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1401160192 133828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1401160806 453620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401160930 228838 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401161129 295752 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401161199 258163 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401161199 599984 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401161677 837261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using LD_PRELOAD in a way that is reminiscent of having two puzzle pieces that don't quite fit and just kind of smashing them together until they do < 1401161723 614148 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD_PRELOAD is an awesome way to add features to software < 1401161794 708171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I realized that plugins for the stage2 compiler need to be built with the stage1 compiler, but they don't quite work then either < 1401161801 282628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm building stage3 but it's soooo slow < 1401161970 566604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you use the LD_PRELOAD adding features into a software? < 1401162128 629635 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Here's http:// support for open(1) via LD_PRELOAD! https://github.com/mcpherrinm/webscale/blob/master/libhttpfile.c < 1401162184 487752 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally a feature < 1401162242 238676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you can add new features into function like that. That is good adding support for http: and data: URLs, now add ftp: and gopher: support too. (I think curl supports it?) < 1401162309 309234 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fair warning, LD_PRELOAD is a fragile fragile thing. < 1401162321 223848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Furthermore, ftp can be use for writable files; http is normally only for reading files, although there is a PUT method of HTTP if you want to) < 1401162401 556719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still there are other way to make in such supports added, depending on the software. For example a software using SQLite, you can add support for other file by adding a VFS by loading an extension, and you can also modify the triggers in the database to possibly add features in. < 1401162498 240580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like stuff I wrote yesterday about knock out seven opponent's cards in Pokemon card? < 1401162513 449746 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hated it < 1401162521 622823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1401162541 460051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an uncommon situation, though. < 1401162922 576111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you hate flipperless pinball game? I don't hate it; the feature of pinball game that I do hate is the games in which you can earn free balls for making the high score. < 1401162947 410532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't mind free games for making the high score, though.) < 1401163044 710325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, why don't you hate that feature? < 1401163441 314345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: \o/ https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/f47ee925a16773be4f84 < 1401163441 730901 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         | < 1401163441 907690 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        /| < 1401163483 950101 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: \o/ < 1401163484 223953 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         | < 1401163484 462900 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        /| < 1401163505 237283 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401163521 287772 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful, i like it < 1401163569 917818 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: time to go write some lints! < 1401163570 177168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not actually pointing at the e plz fix twh hth < 1401163601 540524 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh good point < 1401163645 29709 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, did you manage to write a general code analyzer thing that seems reasonably structured < 1401163648 139938 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good rust < 1401163675 432602 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still ahve no idea how to read these type signatures < 1401163911 505534 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of funny how the web both forces you to use one language and frees you to use any language < 1401163928 979799 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not literally any) < 1401164141 459092 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401164389 178100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/500920de676275deccd8 < 1401164397 987273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hack though, I hardcoded the width of "struct " < 1401164408 891108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the parser saves the information you need to do this right < 1401164415 276942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could fix that but I think I will get high and watch television instead < 1401164458 874891 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m,ad men? < 1401164465 75666 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so it would break if i did "struct \n\neeeeeeeeeeeee" < 1401164491 70038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: shocking < 1401164535 13011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not first on my list but probably < 1401164555 944464 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401165250 345089 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401165377 540307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :high kmc < 1401166576 91968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: probably The Americans, Veep, Silicon Valley, Mad Men in that order < 1401166579 557125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might fall asleep at some point < 1401166603 700789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, did you manage to write a general code analyzer thing that seems reasonably structured < 1401166604 548530 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you fall asleep while high the weed will crawl into your nose and strangle you! < 1401166615 654351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the structure a is pretty standard AST visitor < 1401166634 170446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more interesting thing imo is that it's a plugin which integrates with the compiler < 1401166645 940968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can (well, will be able to) control it with the usual warning flags < 1401166655 299787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can do things like ask the types of inferred local lets < 1401166656 223398 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, right. i'm more used to something along the lines of LD_PRELOAD, you know, one variable, terrible < 1401166667 412443 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i would love that < 1401166695 670677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so most of the work here was just redoing all the plumbing around the existing loadable syntax extensions to turn it into a cleaner more general plugin mechanism < 1401167071 372477 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401167244 117709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401167369 667438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw there's no new episode of Veep < 1401167539 381886 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401168715 363865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401169336 178851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : i still ahve no idea how to read these type signatures < 1401169337 474403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones? < 1401169347 979615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're losing the ~funny @variable &sigils < 1401169352 762297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first two are gone < 1401169372 237160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1401169378 763574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is probably staying though < 1401169400 402122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Rust has a lot less sugar now than when I started using it < 1401169401 838444 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well uh basically any of them. "&mut self, it: &ast::Item, cx: Context" i guess cx, it, and self are names, and Context and &ast::Item are types, but i don't know what & is or what &mut means < 1401169417 274571 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401169424 178933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is a reference aka "borrowed pointer" < 1401169445 628979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :points to something, you can use it, but someone else owns it and is responsible for destroying it eventually < 1401169457 130609 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At runtime it's a plain pointer < 1401169463 726494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :references have lifetimes, sometimes written in as &'t Item < 1401169466 310307 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&mut is the same but mutable < 1401169467 810808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually inferred < 1401169475 236025 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ and @ are gone, and more funny looking beasts like Rc<> Gc<> Box<> Cell<> RefCell<> are here to stay. < 1401169489 778887 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is &mut before the name though < 1401169491 404884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a given thing in memory can have zero or more & pointers, or exactly one &mut pointer to it < 1401169500 119173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :&mut is a variant of & that lets you mutate through the pointer < 1401169508 814202 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly one, like, at all? < 1401169523 613821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, things get "frozen" < 1401169534 999363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do let mut x = 3; f(&mut x) < 1401169551 994955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I lose the ability to modify an x for as long as that reference lives < 1401169557 868715 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "self" is kinda a weird special case < 1401169566 660094 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1401169571 460458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f doesn't store it anywhere, then I get to modify it as soon as f returns < 1401169580 194757 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example you'd have it: &mut ast::Item < 1401169590 80122 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not "before the name" usually < 1401169615 486731 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like rust's self handling right now, a little too special < 1401169616 405852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the & in «&foo: T» and in «&self» mean opposite things < 1401169619 88375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1401169628 190586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :& in patterns means to remove a layer of indirection and look inside < 1401169632 378496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like any other "constructor" in a pattern < 1401169655 287943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no way to pattern-destructure self in an args list, anyway < 1401169667 51773 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is self the OO self btw < 1401169671 846784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1401169682 471442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impl Foo { fn f(&self) { ... } } < 1401169690 438848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :defines a method that you would call like foo.f() < 1401169708 671976 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1401169718 398800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just sugar for f(foo) because it affects name lookup too < 1401169745 18143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can access a type then you can access all its methods, even though you didn't import them by name < 1401169762 818601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true for methods that are applied "directly" to the type like that < 1401169769 486170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: what do we call those? < 1401169782 861427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also define methods on a typeclass and then do «impl Bar for Foo» < 1401169794 518849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/typeclass/trait/ but basically the same thing < 1401169803 130471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the user also needs to import the trait Bar to see the methods < 1401169843 322255 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought a special handling of self would be gone after UFCS, wouldn't it? < 1401169852 160493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what UFCS stands for < 1401169854 877583 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aaaaand I didn't know mcpherrin is here) < 1401169862 495733 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uniform Function Call Syntax" to be exact < 1401169864 715162 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I was about to say the same ;P < 1401169885 766854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: oh, so you can write foo.f instead of |x| foo.f(x) ? < 1401169893 536819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1401169896 428430 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think so < 1401169901 814564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :self has to at least be special wrt name resolution, though < 1401169909 602223 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the details are not yet finalized but afaik is in discussion < 1401169914 377538 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you can say method(foo, x) as well as foo.method(x) < 1401169916 192265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1401169919 517936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, rip "do" sugar < 1401169932 806824 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is important for traits sharing names < 1401169964 815206 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impl A for Foo { fn m(){}} impl B for Foo { fn m() {}} breaks right now < 1401169977 500448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nerfed in order to support the front-of-rust-lang.org use case of "do spawn" < 1401169984 670482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it was useless so removed entirely < 1401169986 56030 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :UFCs are great, i use them in nimrod < 1401169993 375736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now rust-lang.org doesn't have "do spawn" either < 1401169998 639505 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B::m(foo) < 1401170006 461612 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.f(y) #=> f(x,y) so much sense is made < 1401170021 94603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages are like sausages < 1401170038 39670 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :good pizza topping < 1401170042 356694 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i wonder how food scientists feel about that expression. < 1401170050 299214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401170064 163882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're at a big uni, you could find some and ask < 1401170087 275306 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a dude who designs lean cuisines doing an IAma thing on reddit a year or two ago... < 1401170102 288130 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not at the main campus right now but yeah i was thinking about all the books on sausage production in the library < 1401170121 868985 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats reddit < 1401170129 971949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we also have both & and "ref" in patterns < 1401170134 298155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are opposites kinda < 1401170146 965248 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more than one wrong way to do it < 1401170160 787491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :match x { Some(&y) => ... } x has type Option<&T>, y has type T < 1401170177 29837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :match x { Some(ref y) => ... } x has type Option, y has type &T < 1401170191 855075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so they are exactly opposites < 1401170195 635588 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: a lot of my early rust code was horrific for lack of understanding the & / ref relationship :p < 1401170218 290474 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd revert to "copy foo"ing all over instead of using borrowed pointers right < 1401170228 344622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1401170260 201635 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401170273 904559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the many flaws of C++ is that there's no obvious indication when you lapse into that style < 1401170306 132452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is one reason that major style guides say to disable the copy constructor and operator= unless you have a good reason to use them < 1401170344 475052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Rust still lets you do implicit copies of large POD < 1401170362 817563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it lets you use generic stuff with a Clone bound that is not obvious < 1401170455 188812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: as far as the core language is concerned, freezing and alias checking is all done at compile time < 1401170474 551670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are library types which use unsafe code to provide mutable cells with runtime checks < 1401170484 973941 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i have no idea what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't bother :< < 1401170485 28303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can go from an &RefCell to an &mut T, roughly < 1401170489 585712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1401170537 263654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this weekend i got a few irl opportunities to talk at maximum speed about how cool rust is < 1401170543 121290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fun < 1401170585 783916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's p. fast < 1401170597 803458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401170619 53712 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a radio announcer! < 1401170632 179942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lint plugins! < 1401170644 793782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work < 1401170670 334772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they lin't plugins before they worked < 1401170703 549072 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :notecorelanguageisnotstableandmaychangeinunforseennontrivialfashions.bepreparedtofilecompilerbugs.mozillacorporationisnotatfaultifyouusethisinaspaceproberightnow < 1401170806 658854 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty happy with a lot of the direction Rust is going, though I think we'll need to re-sugar the langauge once it's settled down semantically < 1401170860 388607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401170861 726083 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: remember when rust was the exciting garbage-collected language with typestate :p < 1401170868 499130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't < 1401170871 23249 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401170879 868219 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do I ;p < 1401170889 528505 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ was implemented before ~ or & < 1401170959 139752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like telling people who've only used high level languages about the bizarre forms of undefined behavior in C, and then ending it with "this language and its relatives are used for most systems in planes, cars, medical devices, nuclear reactors, etc." < 1401171013 16104 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'd still trust C in a plane over, say, python :p < 1401171024 766099 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :math can't even define 0^0, therefore we have all been doomed for centuries < 1401171028 592744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1401171039 922810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever see the C++ coding standards for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter < 1401171048 269467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.stroustrup.com/JSF-AV-rules.pdf < 1401171064 233758 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall reading them but remember zero content < 1401171079 187207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly recall being scared about planes that run C++ < 1401171117 759750 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, however, most teorems assume 0⁰ = 1 < 1401171123 83471 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorems* < 1401171133 224870 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this the eurofighter < 1401171145 77722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this weekend I got two opportunities to explain what the C99 "restrict" keyword does and why it's useful < 1401171149 353931 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't. that woudl be funny < 1401171149 972924 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because they're too lazy to define a case for when the exponent is 0 < 1401171166 389710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the french parts of the eurofighter are programmed in ocaml < 1401171171 483707 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and did you explain that it's almost never used because no one bothers to? < 1401171186 785572 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fortran, "restrict" is the default < 1401171195 662881 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? i suppose that makes sense < 1401171207 338482 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes the grounding of the french air force from that one virus seem a bit weird < 1401171208 332468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust is even more draconian about aliasing < 1401171217 419027 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1401171241 271422 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how rust does it, but it may be difficult to make that change < 1401171256 758966 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to adapt to that change < 1401171261 854465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but I forgot to talk about the reverse memcpy aliasing flash plugin sound fuckup < 1401171262 213571 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f-35 also has some ada from the -22, it seems < 1401171264 329588 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fno-strict-aliasing aww yeah < 1401171271 478128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fun-times < 1401171310 184918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 0^0=1 is most sensible kind of thing to me < 1401171361 95194 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0 works by analytic continuation of x^0 < 1401171361 327840 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes everything must have a definition isn't that so < 1401171366 793610 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but then you can't assume that "0^n = 0" everywhere < 1401171372 910701 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so much by 0^x < 1401171377 493616 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever else < 1401171383 21499 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a good page on 0^0 at http://www.askamathematician.com/2010/12/q-what-does-00-zero-raised-to-the-zeroth-power-equal-why-do-mathematicians-and-high-school-teachers-disagree/ < 1401171383 447803 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of a big discontinuity < 1401171398 141500 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not like 1/0 :) < 1401171409 524247 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do 1/0 < 1401171420 897092 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with limits, on both directions < 1401171429 41806 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, even without limits < 1401171432 885042 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance if you do it in the one point compactification of R or C < 1401171437 17238 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i bother using an example < 1401171496 433616 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using Microsoft Office Word the other day to write equations < 1401171499 149616 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... not bad < 1401171505 889632 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS >:| < 1401171512 10229 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it could be better, but it supports some neat stuff < 1401171517 689137 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donald Knuth did not die in vain! < 1401171520 805521 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401171522 389491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero to power of negative numbers may be undefined though. < 1401171526 402154 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I surprisingly don't hate the equation editor in word < 1401171577 102400 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was supposed to use the equation editor to do chem homework. so weird < 1401171592 451170 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1401171595 916067 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it quite intuitive < 1401171605 292631 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than latex IMO < 1401171618 10502 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as powerful as it once you need to do complicated stuff, though < 1401171627 184406 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird as in weird that i was supposed to < 1401171636 409969 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401171645 654296 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a lot of math in gen chem. < 1401171649 106514 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maple's math document thing is pretty awesome if you want WYSIWYG mathing < 1401171660 609450 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to mention it can do the actual math as you go too) < 1401171729 626401 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like LaTeX because, through my studies, I read some terrible things < 1401171731 799896 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subscripts and superscripts alone aren't so great for writing out a beta particle or whatever, i guess. < 1401171736 582847 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once read a theoretical physics thesis < 1401171741 220399 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entirely done on typewriter < 1401171765 284725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find Plain TeX is really good to write math, especially since I can have macros in the file too. (It is good for many other things, too.) < 1401171788 269547 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to give people the number "(-1) ^(-i)" and ask them what value it is < 1401171795 558778 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two macros that are especially good are < 1401171801 253907 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some bullshit with e right < 1401171803 394870 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :integral from -infinity to infinity < 1401171806 614166 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1/2 < 1401171808 147578 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people that haven't had any complex numbers class won't guess that it's 23.1406... < 1401171811 291897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah proper mathematical typesetting used to be hella expensive < 1401171813 140681 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda weird < 1401171826 57795 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are very long to type and happen all the time < 1401171847 255094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ComplexExponentiation.html jeeez < 1401171850 658037 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you're working with discrete maths or any other area of math >_> < 1401171857 513671 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right it's uh, exp(-iln(-1)), so exp(pi) < 1401171872 342659 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still quite often when you work in REAL MATH < 1401171881 25966 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, :( < 1401171888 521322 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1401171896 793450 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex exponentiation is cool kmc! it goes in circles!! < 1401171900 283159 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: many people doesn't know about complex numbers either < 1401171915 536360 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only had to use integrals and shit in calculus and analytical geometry... < 1401171920 840300 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :analytic* < 1401171936 728980 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, lots of non-math-stuff majors < 1401171938 466255 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401171940 951434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone aske me about "(-1) ^(-i)" then first things I would say is, "I don't know". And then, to try to figure out by computer. < 1401171972 269593 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram alpha, what is -1^-i! < 1401171979 239164 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, you need params < 1401171987 454247 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or "use W|A." < 1401171988 130637 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you remember that a^b = exp(b*ln(a)) your life shall improve < 1401171988 861007 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1)^(-i) < 1401171996 786179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 1/2 macro, do you mean something like: \def\onehalf{{1\over2}} < 1401171998 452658 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28-1%29%5E%28-i%29 indeed, it gives a correct answer < 1401172000 47448 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, lol < 1401172004 873521 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real men use polish notation! < 1401172012 796836 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^-1-i < 1401172015 297425 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2 < 1401172027 37129 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, I think WP does have a template for this) < 1401172032 765969 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, reverse polish notation master race reporting in < 1401172036 522265 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :½ durbadurbdurb < 1401172047 187592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Well, it isn't what I was thinking, but yes it is one way. I meant that the program in TI-92 calculator will make the calculations, or to use any other local softwares rather than connecting to internet in order to do it. < 1401172067 133695 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably get a cas instead of using wolfram all the time, but, lazy < 1401172089 759852 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a useful macro if you work in discrete math would be < 1401172099 226605 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\sum_{n=0}^infinity < 1401172105 998247 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr \infty < 1401172115 700307 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those cas's that print out fractions on the terminal, ugh < 1401172134 96645 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401172135 648916 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I almost never find an use for that definition, except this one I guess < 1401172150 948110 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :circles man, circles < 1401172160 963024 :password2!~password@197.78.164.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401172184 608663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are some latex macros i wrote long ago https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/7677e262d64cd0a5ca45 < 1401172193 214381 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need that formula to solve that though < 1401172209 54576 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you replace (-1) with e^(pi * i) < 1401172243 773348 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you end up with an even more fun thing to solve < 1401172304 965795 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how does anyone on Earth understand the guts of \LaTeX?" any paper on the guts would, unfortunately, be written in gutsy latex < 1401172313 842982 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i'll ever actually have to use tex in my life < 1401172317 732092 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401172343 930278 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a mandatory class on scientific writing in compsci in my uni < 1401172349 424936 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn latex there < 1401172361 389026 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSUMPTIONS < 1401172365 729389 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401172421 65350 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Docs. Teach the controversy < 1401172490 358403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401172915 765931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how often do people make "rusty" puns about rust < 1401172942 395575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that often < 1401172972 970918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1401173084 230436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's really hard to apply equational reasoning in Rust :/ < 1401173094 685515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of lifetimes and moves and stuff < 1401173120 184726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifetime inference is imperfect < 1401173167 614056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also with lifetimes, contravariant is the "normal" case and covariant is the unusual case < 1401173175 234213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this is somewhat just a matter of notation < 1401173226 379054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean < 1401173238 908822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1401173324 533956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 'a ⊆ 'b then &'b T <: &'a T < 1401173632 428689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only really understood integration by parts once I saw a diagram of it drawn on the wall in tetazoo < 1401173662 230047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the diagram say < 1401173690 325075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rust compile steps in rustc's build system are called "oxidize", that's sort of a pun < 1401173720 863298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun because there's some random thing written in rust that's called oxidize too < 1401173737 260723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39706&oldid=39556 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+47) 10 < 1401173744 987558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it was sort of like this one http://compasstech.com.au/TNSINTRO/TI-NspireCD/mystuff/calc_parts/parts.jpg < 1401173748 525677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less fancy < 1401173842 389827 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4020:a020:4:: QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401173843 602612 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If communists ported GNU to rust, would it be called redox < 1401173855 419837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :red oxtober < 1401173940 961570 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc versus lebesgue integration, FIGHT < 1401174299 357974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1401174304 913123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone commited to my github repository < 1401174307 617137 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque/commit/15138b50ff74e753fa188dee9d8daad9cac1ffdb < 1401174311 671346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- how's that possible? < 1401174331 155300 :password2!~password@197.78.164.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401174378 577070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1401174584 269772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :github definitely has some magic object store for git repos (to share objects between forks, if nothing else), so it might be possible for anyone to upload objects but not move the tags/branches < 1401174599 537 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that commit included in any branch/tag? < 1401174620 997306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thta commit was submitted with e-mail root@debian < 1401174639 890162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was more than a year ago. < 1401174640 77325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe github looks at the e-mail adress to find out who's the committer < 1401174662 691935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Hm. < 1401174759 901057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also this commit: https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque/commit/0ebd91cecb6f4fada2a7107cd8f3ec722372cb5d < 1401174771 105140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone just sent you a "pull request" last year and you forgot? < 1401174788 227979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1401174794 126557 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it does - so it's fairly easy to "fake" commits as any other github user by just entering them as the author < 1401174822 644848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I see < 1401174967 435495 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, its also possible they changed their username and you dont remember it < 1401175028 467994 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the email was root@debian, the likely explanation is that it's you or someone else on the project who made that on a computer before remembering to configure their name in git < 1401175049 89701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as root?) < 1401175061 744480 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: Nobody ever helped me on Burlesque < 1401175069 540187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was never anybody contributing code other than me < 1401175092 353243 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FMNSSun is also you? < 1401175093 689381 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Looks like I made that change from my linux VM < 1401175100 706577 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: FMNSSun is me < 1401175135 406355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw some commits in the repo as mroman too, I think < 1401175218 726766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401175240 13203 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different machines have different git configs I guess :) < 1401175255 639637 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows uses FMNSSun and Linux Roman Muentener apparentely < 1401175265 384457 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should sort that out < 1401175406 607291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Control.OldException still available? < 1401175518 976372 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch doesn't work anymore with Control.Exception < 1401175695 521610 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401175761 463966 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b JOIN :#esoteric < 1401175774 586482 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's still working < 1401175790 362856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9 < 1401175790 633025 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1401175790 687035 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.015608s < 1401175805 864838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9ro)S[ < 1401175806 127376 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81} < 1401175806 184125 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156048s < 1401175818 650992 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 99989899676884654632432432ro)S[ < 1401175819 8460 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1401175819 62753 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0312315s < 1401175867 832001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1 2}{3 4}}sp < 1401175868 25401 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 2 < 1401175868 81447 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401175874 978945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. but single line output only. < 1401175904 230171 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how does 99989899676884654632432432 encode that string? < 1401175916 957646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1401175921 406271 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It produces a timeout < 1401175928 537623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 0.03s? < 1401175945 920687 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses timeout 100 < 1401175965 445465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 100 microseconds < 1401176035 282993 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401176037 72869 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"R@ < 1401176037 318803 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"" "a" "b" "ab" "c" "ac" "bc" "abc"} < 1401176037 427627 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0100081s < 1401176040 225185 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdef"R@ < 1401176040 337676 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"" "a" "b" "ab" "c" "ac" "bc" "abc" "d" "ad" "bd" "abd" "cd" "acd" "bcd" "abcd" < 1401176040 532493 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156048s < 1401176047 976719 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abcdefghijklmnopqr"R@ < 1401176048 327665 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat! < 1401176048 382241 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156062s < 1401176049 103667 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like J < 1401176075 807990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The small timeout is because I can't put a memory limit < 1401176082 819830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke a J < 1401176116 648761 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulimit perhaps? < 1401176132 995157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be better added into the interpreter itself though < 1401176145 577729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {{1 2}{3 4}}SP < 1401176145 853103 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 2\n3 4" < 1401176145 908211 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0100085s < 1401176229 964923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I meant: There's no memlimit thingy like System.Timout that I can just embed in the interpreter easily < 1401176335 116702 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401176348 945998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1401176355 472375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "123" -1 !! < 1401176355 737242 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401176362 593926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1401176369 159638 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this catch doesn't catch everything :( < 1401176393 307427 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401176481 519537 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b JOIN :#esoteric < 1401176489 978821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "123" -1 !! < 1401176490 227592 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1401176490 282118 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156043s < 1401176496 530821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it does :) < 1401176598 419086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There are two timeouts actually < 1401176617 298214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it launches an interpreter with readProcess < 1401176627 867570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter has a 100 microsecond timeout itself < 1401176636 358421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ircbot has a 3 second timeout for readProcess < 1401176685 242061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether this evaluate $!! kills lazyness though < 1401176703 636344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1R@100!! < 1401176703 822264 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 101 < 1401176703 877089 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156048s < 1401176714 854855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. doesn't kill lazy < 1401176915 138708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: except it doesn't have dyads, monads and triads and quadads and pentads < 1401176929 692708 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1401176942 703291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is what? < 1401176952 343453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blqsbot? < 1401176954 69220 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sq < 1401176969 409424 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1401176978 788774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq %?? < 1401176979 64628 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : Burlesque - 1.7.2b < 1401176979 133167 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401176995 332766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that ;) < 1401177025 655584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10ro{2.%}pt < 1401177025 922964 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{1 3 5 7 9} {2 4 6 8 10}} < 1401177025 978173 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401177064 863115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of a J-like language I guess < 1401177075 467420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm pretty sure J users would heavily disagree with that. < 1401177155 692483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 10ro{2.%}ptp^?+ < 1401177155 917739 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {3 7 11 15 19} < 1401177155 973132 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401177250 968771 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 4mo5.+?d < 1401177251 205052 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {3 7 11 15 19} < 1401177251 259630 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401177282 127840 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You can golf in it on golf.shinh.org < 1401177294 297043 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1401177450 528200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 1487796867 36%B! < 1401177450 690541 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner < 1401177450 744878 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401177515 131809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 36 should be a standard for compressing numbers . < 1401177555 327507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo base 32 < 1401177565 97471 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :base64 < 1401177626 388265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 'a'zr@ < 1401177626 645481 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {'a 'b 'c 'd 'e 'f 'g 'h 'i 'j 'k 'l 'm 'n 'o 'p 'q 'r 's 't 'u 'v 'w 'x 'y 'z} < 1401177626 700209 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156052s < 1401177634 113372 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq @azr@ < 1401177634 478500 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {'a 'b 'c 'd 'e 'f 'g 'h 'i 'j 'k 'l 'm 'n 'o 'p 'q 'r 's 't 'u 'v 'w 'x 'y 'z} < 1401177634 533267 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156066s < 1401177648 876535 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. That's why I implemented an @ prefix some time ago < 1401177791 648607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but base 36 is neatly from 0..9 ++ a..z < 1401177814 760471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think base 32 usually drops 0 and 1 because of ambiguity with o and i < 1401177908 485012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1401177923 909838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for human written base 32 stuff... ok < 1401177931 195017 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise... < 1401178033 913861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :se what else are you using this for? < 1401178075 292249 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : [12345, #j, %, \/] < 1401178075 346481 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156053s < 1401178082 207510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1401178088 256400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't answer in queries :( < 1401178102 274774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm using it for golfing and homework usually < 1401178133 467388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not base 64 or something? < 1401178146 654413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. you mean the base < 1401178150 284972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401178152 301337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it :) < 1401178175 197473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of different characters. i don't see why you'd pick 36 other than for interacting with humans < 1401178462 626772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The characters "0" and "O" are easily < 1401178463 534579 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : confused, as are "1", "l", and "I"" < 1401178477 525722 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would a human attempt to decode base32 encoded text < 1401178520 455969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also using = as pad for urls is probably not a good idea < 1401178560 722934 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tech supports? < 1401178623 848130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you encoding a thing as human- < 1401178631 658267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :language characters if not for humans to read < 1401178684 18849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my question < 1401178703 826240 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ban characters from an encoding because humans confuse them < 1401178713 367807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no human's gonna decode it by hand so why bother < 1401178769 79640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the point of base 36 here < 1401178828 593722 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1401178833 534868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :none < 1401178856 784172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1401178858 221811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1401178861 770247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the german dot < 1401178871 943137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you don't mean a sentence seriously if you put a space before the "." < 1401178880 683615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401178884 675831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1401178888 915507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it makes sense < 1401178901 759333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked a german friend about it once and he had never heard of it < 1401178951 764890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i understand 00:58 base 36 should be a standard for compressing numbers . < 1401178989 488594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION $ grep 'mroman.* \.$' logs/esoteric/ALL < 1401179143 545713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a community thing and not a german thing. < 1401179165 305780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1401179173 15894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll remember to look for it . < 1401179222 913916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also !!11elf < 1401179317 769729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 1 is on the same key as ! and elf means 11 in german < 1401179332 980020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that's common in English too. < 1401179341 565831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I've seen it. < 1401179508 264191 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401180146 15195 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401180630 596110 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401180630 650513 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401181088 909198 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401181439 638537 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1401183347 825036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9tp < 1401183348 99024 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: You should not transpose what you can't transpose. Yes this is an eastere < 1401183348 153741 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401183520 319639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can't send null-bytes over the IRC < 1401183651 630777 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :send as \0 < 1401183762 718868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0L[ < 1401183762 954929 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : ' < 1401183763 10123 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401183770 925121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 0%L[ < 1401183771 161247 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1401183771 215067 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156085s < 1401183783 829505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :burlesque doesn't really have escape sequences < 1401183801 897229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e to embed a newline into a string you really use a newline :) < 1401183859 358057 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[im < 1401183859 595317 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (++) Invalid arguments! < 1401183859 649475 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156076s < 1401183865 863388 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[\\ < 1401183866 128829 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (\\) Invalid arguments! < 1401183866 182975 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156038s < 1401183868 564020 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1401183873 143346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks :( < 1401183905 853680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401183909 995078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[\[ < 1401183910 223946 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\NUL\SOH\STX\ETX\EOT\ENQ\ACK\a\b\t\n\v\f\r\SO\SI\DLE\DC1\DC2\DC3\DC4\NAK\SYN\ET < 1401183910 279646 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156067s < 1401183983 981176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand... if you print a string it will use escape sequences :) < 1401183996 168988 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you pretty print it < 1401184048 758193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[\[sh < 1401184049 16990 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1401184049 71196 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401184070 860667 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401184073 268226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1401184083 843758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make me computer beep if you produce \a < 1401184092 639850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the irc bot logs output to stdout :D < 1401184675 905237 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning :) < 1401184844 672974 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1401184944 72265 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : Good morning, Taneb! < 1401184944 165187 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156062s < 1401185174 476236 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401185265 637934 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401185281 829723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque bot? < 1401185330 293512 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401185335 901702 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yours? < 1401185484 943553 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikrddrpxyzusxpej QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401186215 485203 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we could do a challenge < 1401186238 115627 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a simple esoteric language, give no fucking explanation about it, and just provide a bot that evals what you say in a certain channel < 1401186250 581087 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal is figuring out how to write "Hello, World!" < 1401186486 609697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: there's an explanation in the esowiki . < 1401186509 93741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not the irony dot. That's the emphasize my point dot < 1401186510 842122 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking about blsqbot < 1401186513 721289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1401186518 76300 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon me. < 1401186522 788761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah. Mine < 1401186532 140012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a bug. < 1401186550 441182 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can only send to one channel :( < 1401186572 804865 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it written in Burlesque? < 1401186582 797858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :God no :) < 1401186589 233182 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be tough without I/O. < 1401186608 548769 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... output is only produce on termination < 1401186617 857968 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would make it pretty much impossible < 1401186642 98941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. a thruth-machine can't really be implemented in burlesque < 1401186657 741791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1401186668 541312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'll work for some scenarios thanks to lazyness and whatnot) < 1401186718 657229 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1401186750 581615 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401187963 90344 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401188398 601006 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401188400 159580 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401188663 806807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque isn't something you'll write an interpreter for in a couple of days < 1401188671 338744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind that there are probably 300 Commands < 1401188687 27606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those 300 Commands do all different kinds of things depending on arguments < 1401188690 940685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4 5}av < 1401188691 218850 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1401188691 272610 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401188694 193014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4 5}avav < 1401188694 314229 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1401188694 368464 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401188700 215424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4 5}avavpd < 1401188700 499113 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1401188700 553370 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156281s < 1401188702 136664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3 4 5}avavpdpd < 1401188702 355842 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1401188702 410296 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401188749 240982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :! 9.0r@ < 1401188754 437160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 9.0r@ < 1401188754 668515 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1401188754 770440 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156057s < 1401188762 802561 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 3}r@ < 1401188763 42904 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{1 2 3} {2 1 3} {3 2 1} {2 3 1} {3 1 2} {1 3 2}} < 1401188763 97489 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156061s < 1401188789 996088 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dare you writing an interpreter for it in Brainfuck < 1401188804 636285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd even have to implement lazy evaluation < 1401189054 104365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "{1 2 3}r@"e! < 1401189054 314178 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments! < 1401189054 377638 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0100048s < 1401189060 140830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "{1 2 3}r@"pe < 1401189060 538375 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{1 2 3} {2 1 3} {3 2 1} {2 3 1} {3 1 2} {1 3 2}} < 1401189060 592500 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0100066s < 1401190506 559395 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401190815 655108 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401191130 746317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gentzen14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39707&oldid=39706 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+4) 10Made "Truth-machine" link to that page. < 1401191256 32818 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401191322 666211 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401195213 849258 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401195508 244557 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401195822 685186 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401195858 100946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401195960 47622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the Perl 5.20 delta < 1401196131 379463 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1401196398 634627 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401196737 178076 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401196837 115822 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401197035 661625 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401197140 198161 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401197218 75840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401197910 552861 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401197980 136319 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1401198983 892306 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401200310 456225 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401201774 218159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401202595 803684 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401203406 799314 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1401203597 187915 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401203708 635195 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401203738 491062 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401203981 183605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MetaGolfScript14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39708 5* 03194.29.34.162 5* (+1932) 10Created page with "'''MetaGolfScript''' is a family of programming languages, designed to allow zero length programs to be written, in order to win code-[[golf]] contests. == Overview == The fa..." < 1401204659 479423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401204700 478640 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401204863 96664 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401205285 550861 :{hk3380}!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401205301 564494 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401205590 246927 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1401205854 938667 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1401205997 18248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.33.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401205999 90216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.33.66 QUIT :Changing host < 1401205999 145151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401206338 465628 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401206389 85607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401206494 616247 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401207931 249585 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401208501 737903 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgxdesygdtxctcqs JOIN :#esoteric < 1401208671 12848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat idea < 1401208677 889074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@MetaGolfScript < 1401208678 33298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1401208718 540471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst abuse of common sense ever < 1401208870 975074 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401209070 365946 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-246-11.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401209357 282805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you know the winning language < 1401209364 689921 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody else will know what your program was < 1401209382 546857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd pretty much suck for no-deadline contests < 1401209740 955805 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[209180605381204854470575573749277224 256dgsi < 1401209741 327241 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1401209741 382841 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1093593s < 1401209913 520265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[209180605381204854470575573749277224 256dgsi\[ < 1401209913 753650 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : That line gave me an error < 1401209913 810519 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156048s < 1401209928 517636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you < 1401209930 218466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[209180605381204854470575573749277224 256dgsi\[ < 1401209930 557024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MetaGolfScript14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39709 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+298) 10Created page with "== pg wishes he was this smaert == Well, it's certainly esoteric, but: : "[...] in order to win code-golf contests." I think you're making some assumptions about the contest j..." < 1401209930 628537 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(Ifmmp-!xpsme\"(" < 1401209930 683679 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1093626s < 1401209946 483891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does he encode Hello, world? < 1401209949 670635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not base 256 < 1401210069 571568 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401210255 897827 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401210272 401024 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401210491 371461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "\'Hello, world!\'")**256ug < 1401210491 651368 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 178006462281531046238104240886391074 < 1401210491 705718 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0200142s < 1401210523 860416 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[178006462281531046238104240886391074 256dgsi%\[ < 1401210524 111427 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello, world!" < 1401210524 176456 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156042s < 1401210911 19882 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice n readable < 1401211052 94490 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401211219 612308 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-94.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1401211242 293005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` dc <<<178006462281531046238104240886391074P < 1401211258 952609 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-94.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1401211259 7171 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401211260 260997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc <<<178006462281531046238104240886391074P < 1401211260 742378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Hello, world!" < 1401211713 793982 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 0 = "", 1 = "\0x00", 2 = "\x01"... < 1401212633 602766 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401212705 656503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=6776 < 1401212728 91313 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401212748 369240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently it's fixed < 1401213010 785489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is the empty program? < 1401213011 791290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1401213012 414432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1401213020 586010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[209180605381204854470575573749277223 256dgsi\[ < 1401213020 743612 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(Ifmmp-!xpsme\"'" < 1401213020 798073 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156085s < 1401213041 818405 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401213053 237574 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. than you can't treat it as a base encoded thingy < 1401213069 323347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nice n very readable < 1401213077 527335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rz is RangeFromZero < 1401213088 754959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dg is digits, si is selectindices and \[ is concat < 1401213096 92190 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1401213096 386348 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz < 1401213096 680196 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 < 1401213096 734967 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156052s < 1401213103 347791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 255rz)L[ < 1401213103 585188 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {' < 1401213103 640008 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401213109 929452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. L[ is ord < 1401213119 896418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't print that because it has null bytes and stuff in it < 1401213133 514223 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc"{1 1 0 0 2}si < 1401213133 694535 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "bbaac" < 1401213133 748807 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156038s < 1401213149 640058 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401213160 881059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 128 2dg < 1401213161 240417 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0} < 1401213161 295690 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156052s < 1401213170 681202 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 0 0 1}2ug < 1401213171 31476 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1401213171 86415 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401213187 531599 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1401213370 699701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 65L[ < 1401213370 935286 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'A < 1401213371 21721 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s < 1401213421 76839 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401213426 767404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*L[ is chr < 1401213429 850486 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :** is ord < 1401213433 928892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq 65L[** < 1401213434 167864 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65 < 1401213434 245418 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0090037s < 1401213443 582067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other thins. < 1401213449 948254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "abc""def"** < 1401213450 306741 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "adbecf" < 1401213450 361273 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0090065s < 1401213520 356326 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "hi this is a test"{<-}ww < 1401213520 632729 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ih siht si a tset" < 1401213520 687555 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156053s < 1401213667 205225 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401213755 908520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "CamelCase"<- < 1401213756 338736 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "esaClemaC" < 1401213756 392746 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156225s < 1401213761 221834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "CamelCase")<- < 1401213761 429917 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : "cAMELcASE" < 1401213761 484516 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0156206s < 1401213956 991105 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401214235 223025 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:4576:67b9:98de:2cd1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401214518 170491 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401214545 249000 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Client Quit < 1401214838 53593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq "CamelCase"))<- < 1401214838 398909 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401214838 453403 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: Burlesque: (_+) Invalid arguments!} < 1401214838 453497 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0240154s < 1401214863 638752 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401215054 745945 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Code intended to support native EBCDIC platforms will be removed from Perl before 5.22.0" < 1401215114 647129 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401215724 225278 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401215823 604609 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401215926 485952 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401215937 27908 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401216120 610196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the food trucks has a logo like the eye in the pyramid on a dollar bill but the floating eye is replaced by a pizza slice < 1401216122 782288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea, it is making up a programming language for making random distribution data (such as, 4d6 drop lowest, or win/loss ratio at a crap game, or poker hands, or whatever), and then it can read the program in order to determine the expected probability of results, and then run it using a given random number generator to see how closely it matches. < 1401216184 604316 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401216190 493563 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: excellent. < 1401216972 490667 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401217693 603999 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401217863 548242 :evalj!~jeval@54005EEE.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401217913 492698 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401217938 782768 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401217986 94260 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401217994 995042 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Secretary14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39710&oldid=37689 5* 0312.33.168.146 5* (-1) 10/* Humor */ < 1401218023 35589 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-228.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1401218060 885355 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-228.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1401218060 940208 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401218104 883068 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401218294 11515 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401218584 995533 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401218683 529336 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:4576:67b9:98de:2cd1 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401218998 103707 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401219062 831458 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401219155 96803 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401219525 616902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some congruence with the distribution of 0,1 for numbers in base 2? < 1401219560 24126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the ratio of ones to zeroes in the binary representation of a number N < 1401219827 623272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than 2^x-1 have 100% ones < 1401219840 733155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2^x have 1/ln(x) probably < 1401219915 189145 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401222742 786658 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401222761 177879 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@2a02:1205:c695:2450:c844:537:38a6:e07b QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401222803 525024 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401223369 20398 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401223381 12839 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401224145 642302 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401224200 826242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look! http://www.icfpcontest.org/ is updated! < 1401224764 151232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to have any teasers though < 1401224786 248085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What statistics should I put other than the quantile and standard deviation? < 1401224850 619346 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Quit: . < 1401224873 267708 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1401225272 845850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, put where? < 1401225280 493425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1401225306 516106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"< zzo38> I have idea, it is making up a programming language for making random distribution data (such as, 4d6 drop lowest, or win/loss ratio at a crap game, or poker hands, or whatever), and then it can read the program in order to determine the expected probability of results, and then run it using a given random number generator to see how closely it matches." < 1401225473 522512 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1401225599 949516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I meant for SQL function < 1401225636 319957 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cauchy distribution < 1401225646 919763 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solomonoff distribution < 1401225664 319825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401225665 676328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02puzzicoin 0613.4coin 13ircutecoin 04infocoin 07oof!coin 08revercoin 09convesiacoin 02tfikntythestidcoin 06achedcoin 13fordcoin 04yicleadcoin 07fiocoin 08nerersesspridcoin 09clatlicvrecoin 02adminecoin 06nulliicoin 13ooksancoin 04estcoin 07cardcoin 08taxcoin < 1401225921 691163 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401225956 400979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does it take its input? is it an aggregate function? < 1401225962 63575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes < 1401225978 490699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I have functions QUANTILE/2, MEDIAN/1, and STDDEV/1. < 1401225990 471307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, perhaps arbitrary moment and arbitrary central moment < 1401225991 505442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MEDIAN(x) is just short for QUANTILE(x,0.5)) < 1401226041 426370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, maybe something like QUANTILE that takes an integer ordinal instead of a fractional ratio < 1401226047 876227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a program in SQL for ratio of ones to zeroes in the binary representation of a number N. It is: WITH X(X,Y) AS (SELECT 0,'0' UNION ALL SELECT X+1,BASECONV(X+1,10,2) FROM X LIMIT 128) SELECT CAST(SUBSTRING_COUNT(Y,'1') AS REAL)/SUBSTRING_COUNT(Y,'0') FROM X; < 1401226085 409829 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ratio is always zero since there are as many leading zeroes as you want, duh < 1401226113 904728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: If you want an integer offset then you can use the OFFSET clause, though. < 1401226147 33885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also use ORDER BY, LIMIT, and OFFSET if for some reason you want the uninterpolated median of non-numerical data.) < 1401226161 479302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm < 1401226191 918702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think you can do that if you GROUP BY and want a quantile from each group < 1401226204 445909 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harmonic mean! what if i want to compute that < 1401226232 292273 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or variance. i guess that would be good. < 1401226234 575910 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i /guess/. < 1401226236 10133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O, yes, I forgot that < 1401226272 147361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :println!("{}", uncomment!(/* 3 */)) < 1401226278 818539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mind you, I think you can still do ORDER BY in a subquery, but that gets ugly and possibly inefficient < 1401226284 702982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is that? < 1401226292 3848 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid, kmc < 1401226296 62521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes it is what I was thinking of, too < 1401226299 777357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a silly macro < 1401226311 898787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one which you can't actually write, but we were discussing if it would be possible or not with a certain change < 1401226314 421843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what language is that? < 1401226317 728245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust < 1401226317 782275 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust < 1401226322 792411 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is uncomment effectful < 1401226328 909713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what the bang means < 1401226329 434793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1401226333 594852 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1401226336 304358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can't actually do that, though < 1401226341 799559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it means macro / syntax extension < 1401226351 587914 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1401226354 644951 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :println is a macro? < 1401226357 931976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that it is necessary to be able to write such a macro, but even if a change allows it, that is not necessarily a problem < 1401226364 37799 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no varargs yet or something? < 1401226365 494072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because the format string is parsed and typechecked at compile time < 1401226382 194184 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk. < 1401226386 933510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we support calling variadic C function but otherwise there is no varargs, yeah < 1401226409 429356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but handling format strings at compile time seems better, anyway < 1401226415 63397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't know how it interacts with i18n < 1401226428 823858 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lacking the ability at all to do it at runtime though, that rubs me the wrong way < 1401226431 472066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC also typechecks format strings at compile time, using a hardcoded hack < 1401226434 649575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the standard deviation the square root of the variance? That would be easy to fix < 1401226438 937606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Test.Printf.printf "%s" () :: String < 1401226440 316841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘Test.Printf.printf’ < 1401226440 535020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1401226440 589110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Text.Printf.printf’ (imported from Text.Printf), < 1401226440 589164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Text.Printf.hPrintf’ (imported from Text.Printf) < 1401226445 105489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Text.Printf.printf "%s" () :: String < 1401226446 497139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Text.Printf.PrintfArg ()) < 1401226446 579810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘Text.Printf.printf’ < 1401226450 533074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1401226451 239087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm not sure if we have that ability right now but it's not too hard to provide, anyway < 1401226458 266624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Text.Printf.printf "%s" 42 :: String < 1401226459 865427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: printf: bad formatting char 's' < 1401226476 813927 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather println be a function with a nicely incorporated compile-time function to deal with the usual stuff, but nobody seems to want to do this < 1401226497 395898 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's this whole thing with bessel's correction though. < 1401226502 615644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there is a println function too < 1401226514 573320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is bessel's correction doing with it? < 1401226517 570496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :println!("...", ...) => println(format!("...", ...)) roughly < 1401226542 162208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a template haskell version, which is pretty much a macro, it could produce a type error instead. < 1401226551 872139 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the standard deviation (variance) of a sample and the standard deviation (variance) of a population are computed differently < 1401226571 716868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not in scope by default < 1401226579 322188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes I know that, but is it relevant? < 1401226580 870380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether ocaml's Format.printf machinery can be reproduced in a library < 1401226592 637825 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's relevant if you're just calling it "stddev" without saying which it is < 1401226593 662224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think println(format!(...)) has an intermediate allocation that println!() avoids < 1401226598 267832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401226606 420646 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure it is, in the sense that you should document which one the function computes < 1401226606 474994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: don't believe so < 1401226607 561585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in Camlp4 / Camlp5 tho < 1401226620 392971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:12 < kmc> the french parts of the eurofighter are programmed in ocaml < 1401226626 72027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anybody believed me when i said that < 1401226630 174237 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did. < 1401226633 283468 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i... a fool < 1401226635 144206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Done. < 1401226638 959549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, but it's a lie < 1401226642 15258 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dag < 1401226645 131626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1401226647 531568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no santa claus < 1401226649 453932 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they're actually in prolog" < 1401226658 826807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I also don't believe so but I don't know :) < 1401226676 333027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and document what the functions do with NULL and with NaN values < 1401226702 471666 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401226737 326801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nulls are just ignored. Anything else is just used as it is. Now I wrote that in the documentation, too. < 1401226746 88891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1401226800 811529 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401226839 526422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have another idea. you could add two-argument aggregate functions for the covariance of pairs of values. < 1401226843 88383 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401226868 12541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, how does that work? < 1401226869 133541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously that's only for convenience, because just like the standard deviation, you can mostly just compute that from avg(...) < 1401226903 971334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno, I'm too tired to tell the right way now, and I don't wish to embarrass myself by telling wrong stuff < 1401226917 152627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up the numerically stable formulas somewhere < 1401226945 444804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are using the numerically stable formula for standard deviation by the way, right? < 1401227085 451515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.33.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401227109 125905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.33.66 NICK :Guest32551 < 1401227210 101244 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401227358 402497 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401227402 485484 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401227642 564924 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it! < 1401227736 482516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok, I found the magical format string parser in the compiler source. so yeah, a preprocessor looks like the only viable option < 1401227773 904212 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the answer is dependent types < 1401227789 771151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay unboxed closures are coming to Rust < 1401227797 286917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the major things C++ can do that we can't < 1401228009 467619 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an unboxed closure mean particularly < 1401228075 167009 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401228097 826826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you may enjoy the comment in the type checking code here: http://sprunge.us/ZcjJ < 1401228121 618530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or perhaps not, since it's entirely accurate) < 1401228163 507836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :terribly accurate hack < 1401228275 129031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rue" btw stands for "record and unify with expected type" < 1401228306 562533 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DENTISTRY < 1401228351 408775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does avenue stand for twh < 1401228429 789092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was the proper word, "to rue" < 1401228436 453517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper *verb < 1401228464 908072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though for once that kind of thinko didn't make the sentence wrong.) < 1401228507 378595 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401228536 642077 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401228599 253274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, according to acronymfinder, "AVENUE stands for ATM (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) Validation Environment for Use towards EATMS (European Air Traffic Management System)" < 1401228641 363697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1401228708 117212 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ATM < 1401228836 68358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overly Enthusiastic Resources Jeopardize Acronym Nomenclature < 1401228841 950884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1401228947 853131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so a C++ lambda evaluates to an instance of an anonymous class generated by the compiler < 1401228963 902995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the captured variables of the lambda are member data of that class < 1401228968 285775 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a box? < 1401228972 895163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a () operator? sounds sane ... in the context of C++ < 1401228977 37226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes < 1401229006 209255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes, but that's almost so difficult to prove that they practically only say that to be able to define the semantics of lambdas properly < 1401229007 798950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "box" refers to a heap box, used to give things uniform runtime representation < 1401229022 72367 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401229023 168821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function object could live on the stack or as a field in another object < 1401229025 259709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a heap allocation < 1401229029 379879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the operator() call is not virtual < 1401229038 215492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you call map with a lambda argument, the compiler can even inline the lambda into the map < 1401229089 516329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you *do* want dynamic polymorphism, you up-cast the object of unspecified type to std::function<...>, which is a superclass < 1401229119 342089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (like other cases of up-casting to call virtual methods) you can only do that cast on a pointer or reference, not on the object by value < 1401229129 548512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a std::function<...> has a different size than some arbitrary subclass of it < 1401229146 774346 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401229154 678962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the ability to stuff free variables into a bigger struct is super useful < 1401229162 488853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example in the iterators API < 1401229169 532782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Rust, I mean < 1401229210 873001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myiter.map(|x| ...) will return a struct which is another iterator, and if you moved the free variables of that lambda into the struct, you could pass the iterator around more freely < 1401229237 244279 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401229242 519332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, in current rust, the free variables live on the stack of the caller, and the iterator lifetime's is bound to that activation frame < 1401229257 799106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't inline the lambda into other stuff < 1401229262 790154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just passed as a function pointer < 1401229326 632821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it pretty similar to GCC's nested functions extension, actually < 1401229330 922139 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's nice. < 1401229343 840320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the borrow checker will complain if you try to return such a lambda < 1401229441 422092 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-stem-education-initiative-inspires-girls-to-ea,36126/ < 1401229444 220142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like so: http://goo.gl/7kNFUA < 1401229470 908884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo just do it the go way: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/golang-nuts/mKJbGRRJm7c/DZod_v3BdSIJ < 1401229496 171028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, C++ lambdas can do taht, and more < 1401229508 697475 :Guest32551!~phantomho@146.66.33.66 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401229517 990091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can do which? < 1401229549 827885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can have the variables live on the stack so the closure is valid only until its creating function < 1401229560 46778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I said that above < 1401229563 590781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1401229571 28904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this topic started with me saying that C++ lambdas can do things Rust lambdas can't < 1401229611 769451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I see < 1401229612 490721 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1401229615 626307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :np :) < 1401229623 881433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Severely Hopeless Acronyms Change Humoristic Art Forever < 1401229684 558884 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me < 1401229686 840941 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1401229715 631877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a key part of that whole thing is that C++ has inference for function template calls < 1401229743 279770 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401229785 682736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can write map([](x) { x+1 }) rather than map([](x) { x+1 }) < 1401229807 240754 :evalj!~jeval@54005EEE.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401229852 932636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :template class List { template List map(F f) } < 1401229880 646666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, until the templates are expanded, there's nothing checking that F has an operator() which takes A and returns B < 1401229885 137709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because C++ templates are duck-typed < 1401229891 700014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the analogous thing in Rust would be checked via the trait system < 1401229903 542843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some day C++ will get "concepts" to do the same < 1401229915 222003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even this year?? < 1401229959 771558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Only Exemplary Retorts Jolt Adroit Nonagenarians < 1401229984 818529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: From Oulipo With Love < 1401230034 96803 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people never speak of UDP/IP as a thing the way they do TCP/IP? < 1401230089 511188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ordinarily, Exceeding Rough Jabs Aren't Necessary < 1401230115 370131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICMP/IP < 1401230244 98557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sorry, Helpless Arbitrary Codes Have All Failed < 1401230292 377798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICBM/IP < 1401230306 818234 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew. < 1401230357 742321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Opportunistic Extra Random Jokes Ain't Nice < 1401230427 729796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So Heartless And Completely Humorless A Feature < 1401230478 593343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i have heard it < 1401230483 723068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly because there's very little to say about UDP? < 1401230493 76355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP isn't a transport protocol so much as a way to write your own transport protocol in userspace < 1401230496 202009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually that's what you talk about < 1401230549 355425 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP is a way to escape the tyranny of your OS's TCP junk heap ;) < 1401230663 736828 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :such hate and conflict -- horrible acronym fate < 1401230665 730912 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's a good question though; certainly from a network perspective there's no reason you couldn't put UDP in whatever kind of frame you wanted < 1401230691 789151 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running UDP on broadcast ethernet frames or something. < 1401230731 679460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's depressing how many security holes have the root cause that "int" is a lot shorter to type than "unsigned int" < 1401230776 937569 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lol < 1401230778 994928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: At least, SQLite has a SQLITE_TOOBIG error code which is possible to avoid some of those problems. < 1401230870 774788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it needs to end < 1401230873 135105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsessively enigmatic retorts -- just another nightmare --- fair is fair. < 1401230987 921029 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I never think enough. :P < 1401231077 281238 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401231147 538653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagination nurtures thought endlessly < 1401231465 295599 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: offline for a bit < 1401231499 199261 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401231579 558208 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401231579 905972 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401231602 917584 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401231936 607838 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401232051 822339 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401232123 69651 :nooodl_!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401232829 89142 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/0fca573aac765a7de4504e34f14e5766/tumblr_n63889tQso1qmmsq4o1_1280.png < 1401232930 971029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1401233673 92031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I like telling people who've only used high level languages about the bizarre forms of undefined behavior in C, and then ending it with "this language and its relatives are used for most systems in planes, cars, medical devices, nuclear reactors, etc." < 1401233674 477071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1197) I like telling people who've only used high level languages about the bizarre forms of undefined behavior in C, and then ending it with "this language and its relatives are used for most systems in planes, cars, medical devices, nuclear reactors, etc." < 1401233747 277027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1401233747 359932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1401233762 229958 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401233773 309230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow that link had slipped off my browser history < 1401233826 673134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least address line completion refused to give it < 1401233874 308093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird since i used it 2 weeks ago < 1401233877 683818 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401234240 251210 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a Gold Transcendence < 1401234271 284044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also, not all relatives of C are as terrible as C. < 1401234302 651954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is, but then you can't assume that "0^n = 0" everywhere <-- that's not true for negative n anyway < 1401234342 633042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell M28_ it is, but then you can't assume that "0^n = 0" everywhere <-- that's not true for negative n anyway < 1401234342 757015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401234363 575529 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you got the idea < 1401234366 428744 :M28_!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 NICK :M28 < 1401234369 238414 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Plus recommended communities http://heh.fi/tmp/google_plus_emacs_vim.png < 1401234662 601252 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401234674 961679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1) ** (0:+ -1) < 1401234676 353257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1401234676 524704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix ‘Data.Complex.:+’ [infix 6] and prefix `-' [infixl 6] in the ... < 1401234685 219153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1) ** (0:+ (-1)) < 1401234686 817156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.321391826377226e-2 :+ (-0.0) < 1401234720 338267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: that doesn't look like 23.1406... to me. < 1401234724 854234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1) ** (0:+ (1)) < 1401234726 435926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 23.140692632779267 :+ 0.0 < 1401234757 313130 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28-1%29%5E%28-i%29 < 1401234881 809055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm funny it switches the values. of course both i and -i are solutions to x^2 = -1 so they're probably in the branches of each other < 1401234962 768465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think WA should understand "all branches of (-1)^(i)" < 1401235138 936652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ exp((0:+1)* (0 :+ n*2*pi + log (-1)) | n <- [-2..2]] < 1401235140 511823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:40: parse error on input ‘|’ < 1401235151 858636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ exp((0:+1)* (0 :+ n*2*pi + log (-1))) | n <- [-2..2]] < 1401235153 247941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1401235153 307319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix ‘Data.Complex.:+’ [infix 6] and ‘GHC.Num.+’ [infixl 6] in the... < 1401235160 156918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1401235169 890827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ exp((0:+1)* ((0 :+ n*2*pi) + log (-1))) | n <- [-2..2]] < 1401235171 500388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [6635623.99934113 :+ 0.0,12391.647807916694 :+ 0.0,23.140692632779267 :+ 0.0... < 1401235195 748883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ re $ exp((0:+1)* ((0 :+ n*2*pi) + log (-1))) | n <- [-2..2]] < 1401235197 430690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘Data.Complex.Complex a1’ < 1401235197 552420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with ‘Data.Tagged.Tagged a0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity b) < 1401235197 608274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Data.Tagged.Tagged s0 (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity... < 1401235197 608337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Control.Lens.Review.AReview s0 t a0 b < 1401235197 608392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: Data.Complex.Complex a1Couldn't match type ‘Data.Complex.Comp... < 1401235209 762213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ realPart $ exp((0:+1)* ((0 :+ n*2*pi) + log (-1))) | n <- [-2..2]] < 1401235210 218861 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you test that in a private msg < 1401235212 588141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [6635623.99934113,12391.647807916694,23.140692632779267,4.321391826377226e-2... < 1401235223 247132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the whole point was to demonstrate < 1401235294 649732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just takes me a handful of bug corrections each time before i realize that it's _not_ going to work without error the next try. every time. < 1401235342 839237 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401235401 493504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway those are the branches of (-1)^i, as you can see both numbers are included. < 1401235418 995459 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1401235424 789552 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what language you're using for that < 1401235426 927192 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1401235428 1933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1401235430 749575 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1401235451 243536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its notation for complex numbers is a little awkward, a + ib is a :+ b < 1401235457 799535 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401235483 110224 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I calculated that another way < 1401235491 289638 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^(pi * i) = -1 < 1401235502 808801 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e^(pi*i))^(-i) = ... < 1401235505 379353 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^pi < 1401235554 95302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the point here is that log is a multivalued function with several branches, because e^(z + 2pi*n*i) == e^z < 1401235569 517726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you choose a different solution, you can get other results. < 1401235637 513191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it so happens that e^(pi * i) and e^(pi * (-i)) are both -1 < 1401235650 846219 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1401235653 526213 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the +- < 1401235706 802697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't say which selection is most "official" for complex floating point. < 1401235740 93567 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401236338 338016 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-167-233.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401236472 92610 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-114.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401236583 314748 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401236696 492860 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, an IRL friend falls for a phishing scam on Facebook. I see another person write on her wall something that indicates he fell for it too. I go to message him, and then see his profile... it says he's a web developer. < 1401236750 884256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lambdabot ... edit distance 2 is too much. < 1401236775 589054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wat. < 1401236781 415260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info do a <- [1,2,3]; b <- [1,3,5]; return (a,b) < 1401236781 578405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1, 2, 3] >>= \ a -> [1, 3, 5] >>= \ b -> return (a, b) < 1401236819 9071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail to find the evidence convincing hth < 1401236826 100656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had a hard time understanding why lambdabot understands @info. < 1401236841 989141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could just have asked me < 1401236847 136870 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401236910 554469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But you delight too much in the absurd to serve as a guideline for sanity. < 1401236920 507606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw a trick for checking these is to change a single letter and hope the result becomes ambiguous enough that you get a list of options. < 1401236939 661426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@enfo < 1401236939 782818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: undo echo < 1401236977 364107 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401237043 709448 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-34-114.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401237045 466575 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1401237067 404930 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401237196 576542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the maximum number of opponent's card you can knock out in one turn in a game of Pokemon card, assuming you have 6 side cards remaining? What is it if you instead assume you have an unlimited number of side cards remaining? < 1401237212 527459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hey, I learned how to play Pokemon TCG yesterday < 1401237236 154687 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting that defenders don't fight back < 1401237250 66882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the error correction is kind of silly < 1401237252 148157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then see, how you can understand my puzzles. Note that they use the old rules (which I prefer) < 1401237270 148091 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only rules I know are the ones my friend showed me. < 1401237289 147879 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I don't really know the cards themselves, just the rules. Barely. < 1401237320 557166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not necessary to know the cards to know my puzzles, because they have the copy of all of the cards that are relevant. < 1401237326 591500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agreed, but it's usually harmless < 1401237342 234874 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1401237359 57501 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to install the computer version < 1401237380 561184 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401237426 833726 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dentists are lawful evil creatures. < 1401237445 622321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a simple way of fixing that particular case is of course to make an _actual_ @info command. < 1401237495 278334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is two games of Pokemon card in GameBoy, and I played both < 1401237586 893273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, maybe we should work to make up a new implementation in C or SQL or Haskell or whatever, therefore it is also possible to fix it to experiment new rule, add new cards, define new tournament formats, etc. And it can even connect using any telnet client then; it doesn't have to require any special software (but can be optionally provided, perhaps). < 1401237642 566406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also because I don't like the new rules) < 1401237685 44794 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgxdesygdtxctcqs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401237826 954914 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a browser count as special software? I assume that this backend you're envisioning would be compatible with any frontend, just needs a compatibility layer like a web server < 1401237862 577070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, you could allow it to be used with a browser by adding such a compatibility layer, but by itself it works fine with only a telnet client and nothing else; really simple. < 1401237863 613690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what I want to do, actually. < 1401238101 693211 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401238143 934432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am saying it would be compatible with any frontend; the built-in software is for use with telnet but you can add on other thing to allow other client software to be used too < 1401238242 938402 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ick the Pokemon TCG online thing doesn't actually teach you how to play < 1401238256 820582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More assume you know how to play and teaches you how to use the software < 1401238494 176355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it when someone had this software, and isn't very good. It is also one reason, I would rather have a new kind. Perhaps it may be sensible to use SQL, since that way you can store all of the cards in the database. Of course, it can combine SQL with C if you need to use C codes as well. < 1401238508 561472 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401238618 403237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some software open-source for Magic: the Gathering cards and some similar thing, so, what I want to do is to make do Pokemon card. Do you like this? < 1401238646 82820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I won't do that right now because ghci's :i command requires its own cleanup for trimming the output. < 1401238696 43714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And because I like old rules of Pokemon card) < 1401239105 758598 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401239295 127486 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401239885 300196 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401241014 977911 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401241066 840717 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"O(n⁴), or O(n³) by simple parallelization" this seems like a bad thing to say, somehow < 1401241083 256220 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401241088 731682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode O(n⁴) < 1401241089 301005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+004F LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O] [U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+2074 SUPERSCRIPT FOUR] [U+0029 RIGHT PARENTHESIS] < 1401241101 271929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? < 1401241120 410577 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i supposed to write ^4 like some kind of jerk < 1401241141 122347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the four, but actually i was just checking the O < 1401241241 76066 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁸⁻⁾ < 1401241247 606151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized it should in theory be an Omicron :) < 1401241306 557721 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BUCCO-CLEANSED CHICKEN < 1401241361 252044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok knuth agrees with me < 1401241372 438492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but may have been the first to do so) < 1401241402 503117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The big-O originally stands for "order of" ("Ordnung", Bachmann 1894), and is thus a roman letter. Neither Bachmann nor Landau ever call it "Omicron". The symbol was much later on (1976) viewed by Knuth as a capital omicron,[10] probably in reference to his definition of the symbol Omega. The digit zero should not be used." < 1401241474 515301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) is constant time, because O*anything = O < 1401241484 866387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(kay) < 1401241521 159053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying something and getting a response about homoglyph attacks is "pretty cool" < 1401241564 651410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is bucco-cleansed < 1401241635 152100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can turn on "show punycode" in a web browser is one thing avoiding homoglyph attacks in domain names at least. In many other program, just disable Unicode support, and then you won't have any homoglyph attacks. < 1401241635 378624 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401241646 922339 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401241656 485919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman Just keep patient http://ezyang.com/rlimits.html < 1401241656 646593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401241659 419529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it < 1401242124 530292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ(n) < 1401242234 281422 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401242415 773022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ(n) < 1401242416 362768 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0029 RIGHT PARENTHESIS] < 1401242455 341671 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401243021 908335 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that even a letter? < 1401243041 264023 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“that” is four letters. < 1401243044 779783 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401243054 726341 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401243074 313942 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401243131 787279 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No. How is 'ꙮ' even a letter? < 1401243158 778473 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason blackboard bold l is a letter < 1401243167 613095 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, lol < 1401243169 945860 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprocklem: How is “A” even a letter? < 1401243228 728157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could machine-translate C to unsafe Rust that is not terrible to modify by hand < 1401243229 234572 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401243232 547998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then incrementally make it safer < 1401243269 816339 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: A is not absolutely insane, ꙮ is < 1401243303 665556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode A < 1401243304 29416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0041 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A] < 1401243311 822386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(JUST CHAEKING) < 1401243313 248174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sprocklem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O < 1401243346 362597 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE THERE SO MANY CIRCLES??? < 1401243375 710914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the many-eyed seraphim < 1401243380 822419 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To trigger trypophobia. < 1401243393 697268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://old.stsl.ru/manuscripts/1/308/medium/308-0249.jpg < 1401243396 596779 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trypꙮphobia < 1401243407 982043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many-eyed basilisks < 1401243511 348622 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401243578 795802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many eyes does a seraphim have? < 1401243611 222598 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:b139:bebb:de22:f7d5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401243697 979664 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Many < 1401243750 723592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph-four hth < 1401243816 303723 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401243831 945700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's why they can't draw exactly how many, and therefore why some people write Multiocular O with ten eyes but sometimes it is only seven; both are wrong if, you are correct about aleph-four. < 1401243923 675648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the hth means i was not entirely serious. < 1401244061 314705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Text.Printf.printf "%s" :: String < 1401244061 625102 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401244062 568732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: printf: argument list ended prematurely < 1401244281 975654 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401244336 866514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401244338 256105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04kvpierdacoin 07bringiacoin 08whccoin 09wiicoin 02withbrehencoin 06bhappecoin 13grationcoin 04concoin 07morschcoin 08godoctracoin 09073coin 02rposiscoin 06brailcoin 13gradcoin 04ccnlcoin 07philicoin 08oolflerncoin 09perlowfoucoin 02preloblecoin 06praysnaincoin < 1401244388 829441 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401244413 693884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh my plan to soon catch up on shtetl-optimized comments is ruined by scott making another post < 1401244548 855607 :blitter64!~blitter@99-171-140-87.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401244581 159784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sprocklem: for a while I was obsessed with the mystery of multiocular o < 1401244631 153334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my associates and I dug up the information which is now present on its wikipedia page < 1401244648 243125 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401244660 929129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a proposal to the Unicode committee, a Soviet-era paleography textbook from russian rapidshare < 1401244723 783172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proposal was just the rapidshare link < 1401244727 413396 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401244748 751560 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:b139:bebb:de22:f7d5 QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401244816 458777 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401245369 652588 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401245404 647317 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1401245407 265112 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401245506 32051 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401245776 576349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifehack: if your device doesn't charge, try licking the contacts < 1401246018 349259 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just joined so i am assuming he is talking about a mobile welding transformer < 1401246040 55723 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1401246057 69837 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :accurate < 1401246109 617930 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401246547 242986 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401246801 95272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whither fungot < 1401246895 494016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401246921 959187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1401247642 987439 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I thought that was a unique character at first only for five clones of her to walk onscreen. < 1401247648 591216 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that she < 1401247776 197472 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have tried ot get off the near side of the bridge as soon at the bot started moving again. < 1401247790 177605 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only she gets to talk about her mom like that. < 1401247819 331180 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the fairly again, it got you across last time. < 1401247836 768011 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairy, even. < 1401247848 411092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: are you talking in the right channel twh < 1401247874 263524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm clearly not high enough for this channel < 1401247880 524653 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No, I am not. < 1401247924 874565 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the screen minimized so i can see the chat window and a stream at the same time, but I can't see the channel names. < 1401247935 391411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1401248414 159505 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what game is annoying like that? Alice: Madness Returns. Every boss almost immediately becomes a regularly appearing enemy. It's like DRAMATIC CUTSCENE FOR POWERFUL BOSS. and then you beat it like WOOOO and then five more appear and you're like wut. < 1401248445 972486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :attack of the clones < 1401248469 460873 :{hk3380}!~test@90.214.135.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401248670 95923 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401248717 691915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you are letting your guard down / i will be letting myself go / while you keep running your ship aground / i will be setting myself alight < 1401248815 447752 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401248826 162825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION aims the hose on kmc ==============|> < 1401248843 486956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GET TO DRINK FROM.... THE FIREHOSE! < 1401248872 982266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how high are you on a scale from 1 to -i < 1401248882 182977 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401248955 723884 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How i are you < 1401248985 234922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :23.140693 < 1401249017 71421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very rational answer. < 1401249055 187492 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why in the hell can i recognize that number at sight < 1401249069 251185 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we were talking about it yesterday" well, fukc you, < 1401249090 677254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful thing, velocipede memory < 1401249114 729560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub < 1401249138 293965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i wasn't here yesterday, so please reiterate what that number is < 1401249167 565572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1)^(-i) < 1401249177 621306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or exp(pi), yeah < 1401249186 286853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the same o_O < 1401249196 96845 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately according to http://oldweb.cecm.sfu.ca/cgi-bin/isc/lookup?lookup_type=browse&page_no=0&number=23.140693 it was probably exp(-Pi)^Feig1+exp(Pi), a completely sensible number < 1401249208 609553 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes because a^b = exp(b*log(a)) and log(-1) = pi*i < 1401249262 31506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy living fuck < 1401249325 398145 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1401249342 218681 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{complex analysis} < 1401249360 937132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rainbow << < 1401251436 755658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*munch* < 1401251741 350964 :{hk3380}!~test@90.214.135.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401251940 531959 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401252070 179328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Is axiom of choice applicable to work of such a game though? Maybe it is, but I don't know. I also don't know, what game. < 1401252071 505141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1198) Is axiom of choice applicable to work of such a game though? Maybe it is, but I don't know. I also don't know, what game. < 1401252713 622522 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?keal < 1401252713 904760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can GMP support KealDigit? I invent KealDigit < 1401252877 639353 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles. oh, a troll < 1401252905 898747 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@keal // i just got banned from math because i not have good ability to convey thoughts <-- cool cool < 1401252906 26241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i search for someone saying 'Keal' in mirc < 1401252924 985005 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@keal < 1401252925 158260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot defective < 1401252982 334110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1401252998 637230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1401253005 380415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more < 1401253006 319548 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@keal < 1401253006 445822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really eat vegetables unless cheese is a vegetable < 1401253028 603197 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheese is not a vegetable. how foolish and therefore humorous. < 1401253073 182357 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?nixon < 1401253073 343919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday School, but it's true. < 1401253089 431650 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people voted forhim. how foolish and therefore humorous < 1401253273 337690 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/OccupyWallStNYC/status/471441682437648384/photo/1 < 1401253277 19676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different people react to different things in different circumstances. < 1401253287 658559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to different degrees. < 1401253352 208349 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different stuff is different than other different stuff < 1401253372 18337 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tautology conveys very few bits < 1401253696 402706 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401253711 918478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is also the case. < 1401253810 803780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :contradiction converys infinite bits! < 1401253813 141014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-r < 1401253945 183633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, even though different stuff is different than other different stuff, you must also consider, it is different, in what way(s)? < 1401255224 557780 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:07] < oerjan> contradiction converys infinite bits! < 1401255231 814544 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats an interesting wording of that < 1401255233 58531 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1401255259 984204 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an infinite number of bits really different from zero bits maaaaan < 1401255329 721593 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the less true something is the more bits? < 1401255351 516577 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we all filling up our hard disks with lies? < 1401255531 404636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not less true, less probable < 1401255548 484351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_2 (1/p) < 1401255623 302807 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone try genetic algorithms on malbolge? < 1401255646 618225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: that's _so_ 1990s < 1401255664 360724 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for annealing < 1401255670 80834 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anneal your pgorgram into existence < 1401255683 536493 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: i was in the 90s for less than a year < 1401255762 643025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a lost opportunity < 1401255763 419087 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to live anhour out of the 90s.. the commute sucked < 1401255775 225195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to start teaching children programming in the womb! < 1401255801 66607 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :genetic memories..give it a few million years < 1401255806 803846 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll get there < 1401255820 629567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: i think we've evolved to have _less_ of those... < 1401255835 767885 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apply some selection < 1401255841 27032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote anneal your pgorgram into existence < 1401255842 306616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1199) anneal your pgorgram into existence < 1401255853 411005 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simmulated kealing < 1401255867 170589 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?keal < 1401255867 404121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant think anymore < 1401255869 724297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1401256923 24060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1401258293 496740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of some kind of unusual strange things involving SQL with the ABSTAIN, REINSTATE, IGNORE, REMEMBER, STASH, RETRIEVE commands similar to INTERCAL programming. < 1401258537 828626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably make a strange things, a bit?? < 1401258669 751219 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-246-11.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401258833 576188 :password2!~password@197.78.158.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401259029 338171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RETURN command in BASIC can have a line number/label specified, and if so then it will not return to where it is called, but to the specified line instead. This is somewhat like the FORGET command in INTERCAL. (And, I have used it to imitate a DO FORGET #1) < 1401259751 614574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what? which dialect of BASIC has that? < 1401259933 221605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was using QBASIC < 1401259978 851209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can specify RETURN by itself to return from a GOSUB, or you can write something like RETURN 123 which means it will return from a GOSUB but instead of returning to the line after the GOSUB, it will go to line 123. < 1401260250 340244 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like "throw" < 1401260313 168950 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can never RETURN to the scene of a perfect crime < 1401260517 380178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just return one, rather than returning to whatever is specified to catch it. < 1401260783 96366 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, single layer, non-nested, return to error handler < 1401260889 455962 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401260964 842014 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401261313 406902 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does RETURN with line number remove the whole call stack too? < 1401261866 629490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just one. < 1401262125 513926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see. I didn't know basic RETURN did this < 1401262526 44438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sanzzzay 5* 10New user account < 1401263487 719010 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's a radiation-hardened quine in Brainfuck... < 1401263531 552315 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401265176 747698 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401266753 604349 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401266962 92448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Parcly Taxel 5* 10New user account < 1401267034 236038 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401267034 290652 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401267903 782332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RTR0&action=history < 1401267925 751918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Parcly Taxel14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39711 5* 03Parcly Taxel 5* (+306) 10:D < 1401269371 631078 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-6.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1401269404 307775 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-6.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1401269404 364414 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401269796 399911 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[071+14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39712 5* 03Parcly Taxel 5* (+2950) 10New language < 1401269923 565086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39713&oldid=39700 5* 03Parcly Taxel 5* (+9) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ +1+ < 1401270480 640858 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :K-Lined < 1401270559 164989 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401270595 317993 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com NICK :Guest58328 < 1401272055 607437 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401272626 933846 :{hk3380}!~test@90.214.135.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401272879 893958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401273173 722154 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401273426 215882 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-tyboxqgwqslyftwl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401274936 194638 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-jpwqzxwjdhepprlx JOIN :#esoteric < 1401274976 491902 :{hk3380}!~test@90.214.135.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401275395 869788 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401276317 341091 :Guest58328!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1401276317 395923 :Guest58328!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1401276323 875536 :Guest58328!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1401277580 539575 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401278193 680963 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401282658 700312 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401282867 294266 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401282935 765675 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401285717 462668 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401286768 566245 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-jpwqzxwjdhepprlx QUIT :Quit: GoodBye < 1401286966 783384 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1401287560 446246 :Burton!Burton@gateway/shell/bouncerstation/x-qlwhrlpdugmgyfzh JOIN :#esoteric < 1401287733 668335 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401288458 885212 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401289186 52053 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1401289204 218843 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401291215 636966 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401291653 874176 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i use a guard in haskell everywhere an = could appear? < 1401291662 187870 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in a guard? < 1401291757 999415 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401291859 691156 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "widely used", eh < 1401292792 175882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39714&oldid=39632 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-2) 10 < 1401292897 880203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39715&oldid=39714 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+38) 10 < 1401292965 738780 :slereah_!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401292993 322584 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜCurse14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39716&oldid=39699 5* 03Sacchan 5* (-20) 10/* External Resources */ < 1401294970 54776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That's what it says. < 1401296115 754705 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1401296133 444819 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401296882 972048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it seems to have been very quiet here since this morning < 1401296904 26883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I netsplat < 1401297067 833880 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1401297507 876575 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1401297611 518465 :kwertii!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401297611 573067 :kwertii!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1401297611 573124 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1401297626 566234 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-246-11.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401298816 193102 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are currently 88 users in the channel. Maybe we traveled through time. < 1401299197 751257 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 0 ops in the channel. Maybe I am still hungry. < 1401299531 94520 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401299642 733909 :quelqun_dautre!unautre@server5.tonbnc.fr PART :#esoteric < 1401299660 752987 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401299781 695480 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401299797 798138 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401300091 304367 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401300136 785131 :Bike_!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 NICK :Bicyclidine < 1401300509 956247 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401301219 342510 :evalj!~jeval@54005EEE.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401302356 244920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hm? < 1401302362 843036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you referring to | guards? < 1401302370 398732 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1401302542 533523 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401302552 492291 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.82.231.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401304567 58431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: where does an = appear in a guard? < 1401304569 802801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the answer is "no" < 1401304588 645186 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :| foo = <- right there < 1401304621 347397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that's after the guard isn't it < 1401304625 955921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x | x < 3 = 5 < 1401304650 637065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in H'10 you can have multiple guards separated by commas, but not by | < 1401304666 356074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want subguards < 1401304675 263276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only boolean guards this isn't useful, you might as well write | x && y instead of | x, y < 1401304679 500135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with pattern guards it becomes useful < 1401305270 457863 :nooodl!~nooodl@81.82.231.107 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401305614 911015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had an exam today, it went alright bar the last question < 1401305623 571460 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot a few things relevant to it < 1401305628 880266 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I got like 90% < 1401305746 976570 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :90% more than i got! < 1401305748 396462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the things I forgot was what an orthogonal matrix was < 1401305796 313675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also! < 1401305802 481457 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the rank of a zero matrix? < 1401305834 175685 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero, i think? < 1401305851 300648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought 1 < 1401305903 265404 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401305979 564869 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401305987 342434 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, wolfram says zero, and more importantly the subspace generated is just the zero point, which of course has a dimension of zero < 1401305994 82069 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, my answer was "...1?" < 1401306037 910828 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes more sense for me to think of matrices as being linear transforms in space rather than colums or whatever, maybe that will change when i actually take a linalg class < 1401306091 131441 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401306165 436545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always hated linear algebra for emphasising the rectangles of numbers over the actual linear stuff < 1401306240 379299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like jordan normal forms, i had no idea what the fuck they were until a week or two before the exams when i read more closely and was like "oh so you're changing the basis to the eigenvectors or the nearest alternative" < 1401306318 151768 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.axler.net/DwD.pdf ~ < 1401306367 240341 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally i never noticed that matrices having characteristic polynomials implies polynomials have companion matrices < 1401306543 275273 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my high school experience with matrices was computing determinants of 5x5 matrices and shit like that so i grew to loathe them < 1401306582 133275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :5x5 is just sadism < 1401306631 97466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my linear algebra course thought it was reasonable to make you compute a bunch of powers of a 6x6 matrix which is just fantastically pointless < 1401306687 372240 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401306729 240858 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest matrix I had to deal with today was 3x3 < 1401306736 845012 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...with a determinant of 36^3 < 1401306770 261174 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :total bullshit < 1401306781 943034 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're in college, i imagine you could use a calculator like a fucking human being < 1401306847 914993 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friday I've got an exam on regular expressions and finite-state automata < 1401306858 656966 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But tomorrow I have two birthday parties to attend! < 1401306958 4218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, maths exams in warwick are all 'a calculator is not needed or permitted in this exam' < 1401306982 210245 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the antichrist < 1401307134 484839 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got to use a calculator today but it was insufficiently fancy to do matrices nicely < 1401307337 96966 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :exam on regexps < 1401307350 335617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have one of them too < 1401307379 363631 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular Show < 1401307390 391792 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just regex golf except for grades < 1401307410 403124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly no < 1401307411 669554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1401307481 871843 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401307953 285453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pi14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39717&oldid=36174 5* 0388.182.125.148 5* (+0) 10error in table < 1401308087 368839 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more? < 1401308247 577149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm suddenly in a "listening to Simon and Garfunkel" mood < 1401308369 188778 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, for one, am a rock < 1401308388 625242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a bridge over troubled water right now < 1401308419 901554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anything beats the sound of silence < 1401308643 911267 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1401308662 905789 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401309086 459915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like a right 39th street bridge song < 1401309117 711623 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... do not know many Simon and Garfunkel songs. < 1401309168 205980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A start tag whose tag name is one of: "base", "basefont", "bgsound", "link", "meta", "noframes", "script", "style", "template", "title": < 1401309171 277176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parse error. Push the node pointed to by the head element pointer onto the stack of open elements. Process the token using the rules for the "in head" insertion mode. Remove the node pointed to by the head element pointer from the stack of open elements. (It might not be the current node at this point.) < 1401309176 305590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great stack < 1401309350 201877 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMPP is better < 1401310070 646120 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler fixing a bug from "24+ years" ago. \rainbow{engineering} < 1401310177 304381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1401310179 109612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bug? < 1401310210 889634 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbcl had an unhygenic macro < 1401310231 147307 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently nobody had noticed through two forks from a pre-CL system to now < 1401310262 157739 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no word on whether they're merging upstream into some CMU research project of the 80s < 1401310562 348138 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401310590 105075 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1401310634 225132 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401310978 94936 :kwertii2!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401310978 598625 :kwertii2!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1401310978 655312 :kwertii2!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1401311083 650537 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401311083 839395 :kwertii2!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii NICK :kwertii < 1401311140 323362 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yibemagpbwmfwceh JOIN :#esoteric < 1401311204 987444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401311206 854056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08mdmcoin 09jocalcoin 02muschcoin 06whaniacoin 13roticacoin 04instascoin 07picoin 08eodelectcoin 09sertycoin 02preluscoin 06cardcoin 13mulacoin 04fcvetcoin 07grecoin 08odtilicoin 09benzcoin 02addleduigcoin 06enigma-2dcoin 13inclacoin 04isccoin < 1401311213 727026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! the colors! < 1401311340 309177 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1401311361 410845 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :instacoin < 1401311906 484091 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: g2g < 1401312058 419185 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401312155 478566 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401312241 204360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ephemeralcoin < 1401312384 721130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401312591 497460 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401312634 178981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401312884 130331 :evalj!~jeval@54005EEE.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401312936 999435 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an idiot < 1401312958 846810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot to put soup in the washing machine < 1401312965 900767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gave my clothes a £2.50 rinse < 1401312966 599206 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup? < 1401312974 695824 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :soap < 1401312978 807766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one < 1401312993 994605 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't put any soup in either < 1401313368 239028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401313408 50812 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :spice up your laundry! < 1401313446 772120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hi Taneb < 1401313465 252793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1401313487 990583 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out that half of the birthday parties I intended to attend tomorrow have been postponed < 1401313519 914580 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which opens up my plans for the evening < 1401313544 33753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many is that? < 1401313660 698425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half didn't mean anything at all." < 1401313680 323164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jam up your laundry < 1401313848 230760 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401313918 730892 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401313981 94284 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401314481 501827 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401314508 208336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401314809 414193 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, 1 < 1401314920 628408 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. 二 < 1401315504 766147 :{hk3380}!~test@90.214.135.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401315554 804331 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello {hk3380} < 1401315555 662592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell{hk3380} < 1401315818 296007 :Fjlb!~Kernel@a95-95-134-104.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1401316006 120962 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ROLLED CHICKEN < 1401316341 251136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy `ello there < 1401316507 63574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell impomatic * impomatic wonders if there's a radiation-hardened quine in Brainfuck... <-- well there isn't much you can do about mismatched brackets. < 1401316507 268482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401316572 440076 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... < 1401316705 81585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: what do you think of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RTR0&action=history <-- i think that is a very vague question. < 1401316861 790679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also whether to delete that article is wikipedia politics, which i won't touch with a ten foot pole hth < 1401316877 942067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh < 1401316980 44739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the notability dispute was added only a minute before your question, so presumably the process is already in motion. < 1401317098 213174 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401317100 763600 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1401317100 818586 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401317667 611187 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401317818 196059 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401317931 837301 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How different is trunk Rust from released? < 1401317946 374624 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: some important differences < 1401317953 240712 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but similar feeling < 1401317966 129980 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heart... that's the same < 1401317980 296285 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few less sigils :p < 1401318277 518384 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401318368 936824 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1401318464 282822 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I need to reread tutorial, should I read the trunk tutorial? < 1401318540 734242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "trunk" < 1401318542 724943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :git master? < 1401318556 715559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advise reading the latest tutorial, yes, although it might still be out of date < 1401318590 392324 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :install a nightly and read the latest tutorial < 1401318728 579497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401318787 610514 :Fjlb!~Kernel@a95-95-134-104.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401318824 500475 :nooodl!~nooodl@207.169-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401319188 684766 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn how to debug haskell < 1401319206 574795 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401319222 694576 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401319409 709980 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401320041 874280 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't done code golf for a while http://golf.shinh.org < 1401320957 436721 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it weird that i dont like forth? < 1401320970 995706 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. you are ritually impure < 1401320971 268167 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a bunch of stack based esolangs are better < 1401321017 17704 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Stack! is good, and 1000x easier to learn than forth < 1401321029 52327 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just needs subroutines < 1401321164 27659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think that? I think Forth is much better. < 1401321255 380450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth allow much more kind of metaprogramming possible, and yet can be made in a simple implementation in the computer, too!! < 1401321284 393892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heya zzo38! < 1401321287 490437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it hanging < 1401321303 997326 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: implement forth! macro plz < 1401321396 466783 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more suitable as a function, really... < 1401321564 804992 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is pefunge < 1401321733 267248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: first we should have let string = objc![[NSString alloc] initWithCString: "Hello, world!"]; < 1401321742 835587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective Rust < 1401321743 583540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw someone is working on Rust for iOS... < 1401321761 305957 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: go convince zwarich to do that. never let him escape his apple past < 1401321767 629062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401321837 745161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be (slightly) useful for Servo < 1401321843 281855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I really like writing macros < 1401321852 488158 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why i do find the most people that talk about rust outside the rust channel here of all the channels < 1401321854 311504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know nothing about ObjC or OS X and probably can't be bothered to learn it < 1401321866 384675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because I talk a lot here and I'm a professional rust programmer < 1401321882 528242 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was a professional rust programmer < 1401321883 619069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda makes sense < 1401321888 451702 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION angry at c++03 < 1401321897 776693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I also wish you were a professional rust programmer < 1401321900 636188 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401321905 998071 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :D < 1401321909 824407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's documentation going? < 1401321909 999646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esoteric languages with substructural type systems? < 1401321941 537214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1401321948 830860 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been assuming mcpherrin was a rustc dev, lol < 1401321959 708323 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: only in an open-source/community sense < 1401321967 970918 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well then < 1401321970 751610 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get mozilla to pay you < 1401321971 357488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I can't build rustc due to bullshit < 1401321998 656063 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't hacked on rust itself, just written code in it < 1401321999 858504 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: what the hell is pefunge? why is it listed at that codegolf site but not in our wiki? < 1401322445 937200 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the japanese esolang/golf community is a bit obscure like that! < 1401322510 588470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also a few other Japanese esolang stuff that weren't on esolang wiki, although I have added some of them. < 1401322547 56744 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are japanese esolang sites? < 1401322568 280272 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally some useful work for all those weaboos < 1401322609 160196 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be mostly centered around a bunch of hatena blogs but i dunno < 1401322742 174831 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Excess Flood < 1401322819 310067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's like a parallel world that we barely know about. < 1401322890 490054 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1401323866 196510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401323867 624242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07qwerbcoin 08vilitafnrcoin 09tingcoin 02byocoin 06minarylambdcoin 13aanuecoin 04suprefcoin 07whospirequatinuspitmarrootypervellowfoocoin 08fiablecoin 09estatcoin 02gokacoin 06auercoin 13colmogenontagcoin 04homedumquecoin 07mustcoin 08wheeccoin 09bibelatincoin 02chocoin 06cemcoin 13lengomagecoin < 1401324019 607318 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401325878 286879 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything interesting about Objective-C other than a slight Smalltalk heritage that drops the fantasic IDE? < 1401325977 61373 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debating whether to call my gf to ask where the laminator is? < 1401325977 174162 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pros: I bet she knows exactly where it is. < 1401325977 228466 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons: She gets annoyed at the slightest thing. Calling at 2:12am might not be the best idea. < 1401326136 966937 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1401326192 485690 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401326398 378368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401326399 748766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every program is an interpreter < 1401326402 947529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every vegetable is a word < 1401326873 740347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :every sperm is sacred < 1401327110 519901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1401327294 528938 :{hk3380}!~test@90.214.135.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401327360 152975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god himmelsprett < 1401327394 490112 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401327578 102044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bremsstrahlung < 1401327596 99069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :festbrems < 1401327994 241018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :party pooper? < 1401328016 92763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it appears. < 1401328048 873751 :zeusammon!~zeusammon@c-24-98-36-153.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401328175 659059 :zeusammon!~zeusammon@c-24-98-36-153.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1401328731 998413 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you agree with the ; making a significant semantic difference thing? < 1401328748 387645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1401328769 890704 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1;2 is 2, 1;2; is (), iiuc < 1401328775 481517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :return -ESGEO; < 1401328791 962795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are talking about rust? < 1401328795 208472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401328800 850876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i am fine with that < 1401328816 890320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the compiler gives a useful error message when you have a spurious semicolon at the end of a function < 1401328827 214976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bug I opened; I don't remember if it's been fixed < 1401328925 42052 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust doesn't try to be innovative, does it? Where does it get its inherited mutability concept from? Doesn't seem Haskelly, unless you consider using State + lenses to be similar < 1401328948 540786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some innovative things < 1401329038 669125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly lifetime checking, and statically enforced move semantics < 1401329048 222489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the first "mainstream" language with substructural types, isn't it? < 1401329058 805152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I have carefully defined "mainstream" to just barely include Rust < 1401329077 636098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://doc.rust-lang.org/rust.html#influences < 1401329100 687294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Rust is not a particularly original language. It may however appear unusual by contemporary standards, as its design elements are drawn from a number of "historical" languages that have, with a few exceptions, fallen out of favour.' < 1401329125 182840 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The lexical identifier rule of Python." < 1401329132 769255 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems... a bit like faint praise < 1401329136 758675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401329141 5674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what that means < 1401329154 370471 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing which characters are allowed in names < 1401329155 937975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't disapprove of faintly praising python :) < 1401329156 736328 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401329532 598547 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk should use lifetime semantics for ^ < 1401329617 318278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you are saying Rust is already more mainstream than Clean ever was? < 1401329649 280369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1401329665 657053 :nooodl_!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401329673 156768 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401329770 194336 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: or maybe it means 'self' instead of 'this' < 1401329856 730003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alexweymouth.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/socialist-hierarchy.png < 1401329893 672618 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401329893 964073 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to be the money bag < 1401330029 300783 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :antinatalist! < 1401330178 153388 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: > Copyright < 1401330247 312697 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :socialism is hardly anti-copyright < 1401330290 984795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :``coins < 1401330291 442394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `coins: not found < 1401330294 25325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1401330361 84020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401330362 409161 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09lobolgaarvcoin 02refixacoin 06selfrovcoin 13remiecoin 04embergeompsringariologcoin 07totteravecoin 08lowfourcoin 09bamcoin 02fobcoin 06booblcoin 13embcoin 04brycoin 07jamecoin 08neumenernanchcoin 09stilecoin 02marchiecoin 06beauxcoin 13erarcoin 04gammaerolamcoin 07tamcoin < 1401330366 382106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MANIACS < 1401330367 972633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly kmc < 1401330835 533480 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401331567 5081 :nooodl_!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1401331634 425529 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401331685 529653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any MML->MOD compilers that you know of? < 1401331707 933256 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i i i i i i i i i i i i i i < 1401331728 738599 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401331911 725618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e i e i o < 1401332166 505933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the rules for ordering MIDI messages? < 1401332232 254260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i before e except after c < 1401332246 987119 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when it sounds like a < 1401332251 31642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[071+14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39718&oldid=39712 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+6) 10Ye olde conformity < 1401332280 520384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '+' < 1401332282 258053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 43 < 1401332575 519049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this C macro? #define objdup(x) memcpy(malloc(sizeof(x)),&(x),sizeof(x)) < 1401332612 548157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1401332648 739134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It Is A Bad macro < 1401332660 419462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macro < 1401332664 423899 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta capitzlie eevyerhint < 1401332677 697794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to capitalize it? < 1401332684 425536 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: malloc could fail < 1401332698 539026 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god told me my warranty was out < 1401332721 588368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, malloc could fail < 1401332729 763190 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-246-11.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401332731 751661 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh malloc doesn't fail ;P < 1401332764 695747 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does you'll write to 0 which is fine since you'll fault immediately < 1401332780 53790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it a macro anyway < 1401332781 247354 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-246-11.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401332816 830621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: So that "sizeof" can be used? < 1401332850 59229 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you could use sizeof on values in this glorious future < 1401332852 755729 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can't write that as a function in C since you don't have generics otherwise < 1401332860 417368 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what is the type of X? < 1401332882 155039 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also thought memcpy and malloc just did void* shit < 1401332912 854157 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing a void* to the function doesn't work since you then can't use sizeof < 1401333077 912431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n"; sizeof (void)); < 1401333081 618806 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1401333085 836072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1401333120 420549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wat < 1401333134 530207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", (int) sizeof (void)); < 1401333136 361195 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1401333184 199948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is a GNU extension that sizeof(void) is allowed < 1401333203 799617 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a consequence of allowing arithmetic on void*. < 1401333218 442111 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have unfortunately discovered i am pissy about a programming thing: namely, the billionth fucking time somebody walks into irc and complains about an "inaccurate" division < 1401333602 835584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%f\n", 1.0/3.0); < 1401333604 56166 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.333333 < 1401333669 879779 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%f\n", 1.0/3.0*3.0); < 1401333671 238861 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.000000 < 1401333823 208370 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%f\n", (float)(1.0/3.0)); // i don't know c lel < 1401333824 549961 :password2!~password@197.78.145.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401333824 673505 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.333333 < 1401333830 242837 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.8f\n", 1.0/3.0*3.0); < 1401333831 609855 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.00000000 < 1401333841 382713 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.8f\n", 1.0/3.0); < 1401333842 674763 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.33333333 < 1401333849 806596 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: inaccurate as in "I don't understand IEEE754"? < 1401333856 671126 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401333858 695939 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time < 1401333875 936695 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other option is inaccurate as in "wtf why doesn't this cpu do IEEE754 correctly" < 1401333884 257501 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.8f\n", 1.0/3.0+1.0/3.0+1.0/3.0); < 1401333885 277286 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, understanding floats is a tall order, but you could at least have the humility not to assume it's a bug < 1401333885 572264 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.00000000 < 1401333915 978343 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.8f\n", 1.0f/3.0f+1.0f/3.0f+1.0f/3.0f); < 1401333917 245783 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.00000000 < 1401333993 225895 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Generally assuming the cpu is doing IEEE754 correctly is right, even if it seems otherwise at first glace < 1401334013 968153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401334094 139283 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.16f\n", 1.0/3.0); < 1401334095 539966 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.3333333333333333 < 1401334109 737198 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.16f\n", 1.0/5.0); < 1401334111 21581 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.2000000000000000 < 1401334124 351720 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.16f\n", 1.0/10.0); < 1401334125 631870 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1000000000000000 < 1401334126 267996 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem in this case was 1/3 printing as .33333334 < 1401334159 974183 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.16f\n", 1.0f/3); < 1401334161 334990 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.3333333432674408 < 1401334168 956132 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, Dude < 1401334176 951406 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Like that? < 1401334184 330558 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singles, but yeah. < 1401334244 410574 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is single precision) < 1401334257 763599 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i can't tell. < 1401334264 255599 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sort of) < 1401334270 627271 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%.8f\n", 1.0f/3); < 1401334271 960204 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.33333334 < 1401334309 732165 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to write code on a hardware platform with broken floats for a few months < 1401334309 940035 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's single prescision converted to double at printf (which shouldn't change the number) < 1401334312 970664 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was not fun :p < 1401334317 689413 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: Ouch < 1401334319 140286 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I gave up and used soft floats) < 1401334329 97285 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what platform? a dsp or something? < 1401334333 958374 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maverick crunch < 1401334351 399229 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaverickCrunch < 1401334357 991439 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"intended for digital audio", i was close < 1401334365 977916 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plagued with hardware bugs lol < 1401334381 708744 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1401334417 265808 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imprecise or garbage results or clobber registers or memory" < 1401334420 279170 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cirrus Logic's Crunch tools, a repackaging of GNU tools modified by Nucleusys of Bulgaria (or was it they who did the work later submitted by RedHat?)" < 1401334425 934813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. encyclopedic < 1401336538 402113 :password2!~password@197.78.145.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401337172 845729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i won't be leavin' here w/ you < 1401337489 852668 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tempo slows, transition to second half of song) < 1401337527 262155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink to the devil and death to the doctors < 1401337567 660520 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this record is skipping. < 1401337669 236280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: we, alone on earth, have the power to free ourselves from the tyranny of the selfish replicators < 1401337787 436213 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who swapped the music for audiobooks?! < 1401337789 515858 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M A MAN OF WEALTH AND TASTE, HOPE YOU GUESSED MY NAAAAAME < 1401337950 421626 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuts off the stereo < 1401337976 770985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fallen are the virtuous among us < 1401337982 935386 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GET KNOCKED DOWN, BUt I get up again, and you're never gonna *trails off* < 1401338030 639935 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org NICK :polytone < 1401338041 503942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fallen are the virtuous among us < 1401338267 525520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hug hug hug < 1401338450 237324 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to think these speakers are possessed. < 1401338697 489872 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's fungot when I need an exorcist? < 1401338753 469301 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whither fungot < 1401338812 218573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungone < 1401338840 359135 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1401339223 45359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how 'bout them turing machines < 1401339237 890597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never know when they're gonna stop < 1401339252 72281 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call em turing but i've never seen em tur < 1401339304 65085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:tur = en:tour, hth < 1401339424 435386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/news12.html < 1401339508 204747 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1401339560 253387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a flasing machine twh < 1401339621 215277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know google doesn't like a word when it corrects it even in quotes < 1401339778 603942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1401339781 987917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets it < 1401341094 5576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many tiles to people lose at Pokemon card by using a DEFENDER card even though it is to your opponent's advantage for you to do so? < 1401341334 192630 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1401341381 957312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly would not expect it to be common. < 1401341468 104568 :diginet!~diginet@li427-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1401341902 705171 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1401342106 332185 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401342884 272180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When playing at Pokemon card, I like to "slow play" the cards often. It saves me against running out of cards, and other things too. < 1401343530 627263 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401344139 9960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401344719 687150 :BeingToDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1401345055 724812 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-246-11.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401346207 876403 :jkool!~Jonathan@cpe-72-182-40-43.austin.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401346250 859658 :jkool!~Jonathan@cpe-72-182-40-43.austin.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1401346599 979738 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401346635 521854 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401346641 662176 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401346997 351309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know those game they tell you two picture, you have to figure out the difference? Now, there is one with animated pictures. < 1401348565 964541 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could say 'I need a drink' without being weird < 1401348954 607968 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401348978 848296 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401350042 943373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What drink do you need? < 1401350547 329106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be an example of it being beneficial for the opponent if you use a defender? < 1401350670 38327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: If you have an attack that damages both opponent's active and bench pokemon card, and you do not want to knock out the opponent's active pokemon card, then if they use DEFENDER card then it can be of your benefit. < 1401350684 562863 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1401350724 668578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stupid AI in Pokemon Card GB2 does that a lot. < 1401350774 539193 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember seeing that, but I also can't remember seeing many NPCs with defender cards < 1401350814 34681 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I just didn't think about it < 1401351012 136808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some strategy guides say the best time to use a GAMBLER card is when it is the only card in your hand, but I don't believe that. I think the best time is when your hand has a large number of worthless cards. < 1401351095 257513 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the 'pretend I'm not awake at 4:11 AM on a conference call for work' drink < 1401351381 542249 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone please help me < 1401351425 804336 :{hk3380}!~test@90.214.135.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401351443 117485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should just go back to sleep then? < 1401351488 317966 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't, until the call is done < 1401351685 4588 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yibemagpbwmfwceh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401351739 588147 :{hk3380}!~test@90.214.135.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401352214 96600 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401352805 839975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: There are a few NPCs in such a game who have DEFENDER cards. Mostly ones with electric pokemon cards, but there are some others. < 1401353053 62245 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coworker told me to drop off the call < 1401353055 931556 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FInally sleep < 1401353668 989371 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401353850 448473 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401353850 566581 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401354802 601075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39719&oldid=39612 5* 0384.174.99.204 5* (+242) 10 < 1401357670 651086 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401358146 714480 :{hk3380}!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1401358346 133944 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, broken implementationss < 1401358410 325203 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401359596 412404 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401361796 90509 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401362111 967753 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401362173 516942 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401364645 911044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401365069 546399 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401366025 904073 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401366467 866762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401366868 374930 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401367931 151699 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1401369170 535267 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401369619 192714 :sign!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :systemd < 1401369681 884448 :systemd!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :sign < 1401370131 307840 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401370440 95288 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401370465 386576 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401370687 465703 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401370986 348880 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1401371513 282106 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401371555 710921 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401371590 94253 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401371937 414359 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401371987 423439 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401372156 972441 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401372241 508601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1401373265 234612 :password2!~password@197.78.138.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401373936 767687 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401374648 246685 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401374748 369477 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401375219 568556 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401375396 473484 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401375494 31803 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401376233 339521 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401376364 327494 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: g2g < 1401377543 633942 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, there are 2^53-1 doubles that represent NaN, so you can use them to store pointers, which each take up only 48 bits. < 1401377556 49201 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhm < 1401377749 648288 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard C function that prints a double parsimoniously? < 1401377927 998846 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsimoniously meaning what? < 1401377969 606664 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401378019 546636 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using exactly as many digits as necessary to identify the double value uniquely. < 1401378078 860808 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :%a, maybe < 1401378085 413932 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 / 5 < 1401378087 57361 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.2 < 1401378143 774326 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that require a magnanimous scanner? < 1401378147 324490 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I remember that is not exact, but 0.2 will parse into the same value, so 0.2 is sufficient output. < 1401378199 816965 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1401378210 910236 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf(%a\n", 1.0 / 5.0); < 1401378213 812829 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1401378224 586541 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%a\n", 1.0 / 5.0); < 1401378226 347604 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x1.999999999999ap-3 < 1401378309 923320 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be restricted to hex output. < 1401378339 269200 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and the float radix is two, so... < 1401378384 282332 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linux libc4.[45] does not have a snprintf(), but provides a libbsd that contains an snprintf() equivalent to sprintf(), that is, one that ignores the size argument." < 1401378424 389444 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1401379574 38883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the axiomatic solution to security. (axiom 1: buffers do not overflow) < 1401379609 246129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprintf will never fail due to a small buffer, that's pretty great compared to snprintf which might just not print the whole string < 1401379726 519791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buffer might extend into the sprintf stack frame, destroying data it's working with, thus causing it to fail. hth < 1401379750 42430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, stacks generally grow downwards so that scenario is unlikely) < 1401379791 682779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well buffers certainly overflow themselves < 1401379811 530509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not < 1401379816 127498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1401379823 281023 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :know the whole pointe is gone < 1401379825 101344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1401379843 482941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a point? < 1401379896 416881 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1401379898 432106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the french word < 1401379967 459348 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401379967 862289 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401380036 237948 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401380089 692732 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilgneczuqxnnhbvb JOIN :#esoteric < 1401380222 451584 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401380542 317875 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401381813 240484 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401381968 563011 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-209-211.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401383244 190799 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401383881 890282 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401387284 487710 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401389225 125875 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-209-211.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401389273 263701 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-209-211.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401389842 371853 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401391135 580235 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401391143 908819 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello little esopotatoes < 1401391218 704098 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-43-203.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401391335 171861 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401391335 372649 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-252.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401391499 690015 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401391947 310325 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401391962 578147 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401392620 335110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all hail discordia < 1401392831 684222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh most beautiful apple. or something < 1401392852 292802 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401392879 678522 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401393153 269431 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401393176 853737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pomme de terre < 1401393215 194912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardappel < 1401393774 918574 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1401393785 251058 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/HWXfc < 1401393826 932261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't need to see that < 1401393855 69328 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: "esopotamians" < 1401393858 798140 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org NICK :monotone < 1401393872 791153 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1401393955 333812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.walmart.com/ip/Butterfly-Labs-Bitcoin-Miner-10-GH-S-Processor-USB-2.0-BF0010G/34952957 < 1401394252 32166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the current rate that will mine one bitcoin in 150 years? < 1401394329 758078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, that's block per year; the reward per block is higher < 1401394385 910699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 6 years per bitcoin currently, if you add it to some pool. < 1401394391 907333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get effective Bitcoining with the Butterfly Labs Bitcoin Miner. It is easy to use and can be plug-n-play via USB 2.0. It has 65nm ASIC Bitcoin Mining Chips to keep track of every transaction and fast processing of data. Its sleek design allows you to keep it on your workstation and experience its power. < 1401394604 908781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's its power consumption? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison doesn't list anything < 1401394646 714344 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1401394681 632402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it seems reasonable to assume that it's the same as the 5GH and 20GH models. < 1401394716 202400 :password2!~password@197.78.138.232 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401394738 895169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would be 60W < 1401395068 267306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which adds about $100 a year to your electricity bill? < 1401395139 758117 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at $0.16 a kWh; the price for electricity varies a lot) < 1401395178 626068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at my electricity price I think it'd be more like $10/year < 1401395203 22040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 60*24*365 / 10^3 < 1401395204 498218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 525.6 < 1401395236 444343 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 60*24*365 / 10^3 * 0.16 < 1401395237 915673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 84.096 < 1401395259 516811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10 / (60*24*365) < 1401395261 108972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.9025875190258754e-5 < 1401395286 922789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0.02/kWh ? that seems too low < 1401395426 883118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ~100 re isn't a tenth of a SEK < 1401395576 86097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :525.6kWh/year times 0.6948 SEK/kWh is about $55/year < 1401395586 726503 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/electricprices.gif < 1401395599 657481 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a refurbish? < 1401395622 803276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ok. < 1401395731 47337 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to google that's exactly $.10 per kwh ... but it probably doesn't include *all* the taxes and fees < 1401396066 607265 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 PART :#esoteric < 1401396077 234805 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401396129 554483 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting table of Mhash/J there, surprisingly small difference between gpus and cpus, and a huge leap to the asics and fpgas < 1401396181 915613 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@38.96.153.66 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it < 1401396325 969717 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my PoW tries to reduce that big gap < 1401397225 705759 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401397320 152407 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401397533 552024 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401397533 677973 :Patashu_!Tenmu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401397667 639582 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401397938 634143 :Patashu_!Tenmu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401398138 612024 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea where I can find stats on the number of IP-based telecom networks, the number of IP addresses they use, and which version of IP they support? < 1401398160 173526 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: taht depends on what exactly you mean by IP-based < 1401398168 120495 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about IP-to-the-customer? < 1401398183 606715 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just doing backhaul over IP? < 1401398207 222239 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what IP-to-the-customer means exactly, but I think I'm just talking about backhaul over IP. < 1401398235 202513 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff like magicjack or a SIP phone provider, where the customer has some IP device that connects < 1401398262 276485 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-252.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401398264 662731 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well, that would be included, but I was just talking about any kind of telecom network that uses IP as its backbone. I'm assuming it's likely the majority of telecon networks at this point. < 1401398270 379419 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :versus something more like a traditional phone carrier that does backhaul over IP, like Comcast < 1401398364 343868 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-205-94.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401398369 494160 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody doing cell phones is doing IP. Every non-traditional (eg, cable company) phone provider is doing IP < 1401398405 894523 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some legacy provider networks may not, but that'll just be because they're on like 20 year hardware replacement cycles < 1401398534 695106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they run SS7 over IP? < 1401398538 202635 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm just trying to find stats on Ipv4 vs v6 in telecom networks < 1401398553 344604 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular how many IPv4 addresses are being used by telecom infrastructure < 1401398563 981446 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1401398598 522689 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: Last I had access, it's nearly all using 10/8 < 1401398599 875782 :edwardk_!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401398645 443068 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, IPv4 10.0.0.0/8 private address space < 1401398660 744574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol < 1401398660 798416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : inet addr:10.8.115.127 P-t-P:10.0.0.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 < 1401398663 361469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1401398720 674688 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I had a pretty narrow view so I could be wrong in a global sense < 1401398753 602185 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401398794 656250 :not^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401398841 938786 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :global routing stuff is done with SCCP and GTT and I dunno I forget all this stuff < 1401399398 423470 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1401399600 820870 :not^v!~notnot^v@173-15-245-174-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401399777 503892 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401400679 814991 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anneal your pgorgram into existence ← uh, what? < 1401400709 144810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellosteric < 1401400767 789921 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanesotericelle. < 1401400771 678285 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1401401042 563131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought some comics today :) < 1401401087 919365 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401401247 779172 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which ones? what kind? format? language? ink? < 1401401269 983323 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Avengers vs X-Men collection, portrait, english, unknown < 1401401296 51938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the first volume of the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, portrait, english, unknown but largely black-and-white < 1401401540 145954 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good choices. < 1401401600 217043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401401604 896273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am afraid I am too monolingual to appreciate the comics in any other language < 1401402128 423196 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401402159 451670 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401402371 453668 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not a problem. can read them. < 1401402389 64237 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401402392 757143 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can/you can/ < 1401402446 531622 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1401402506 713185 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401402528 354289 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@static-71-183-108-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401402558 119334 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401402756 37277 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Client Quit < 1401403261 573837 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401403396 677397 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401403407 819472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, interested in full-disk encryption. Going to try out TrueCrypt on the drive with all my important documents. I hear there's a new version, should try it out < 1401403431 19372 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i being trolled < 1401403679 318665 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cryptoworld is being trolled, apparently < 1401403694 16568 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cryptosphere? Like biosphere? < 1401403707 322562 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a hell of a b movie < 1401403734 290259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cryptobubble? < 1401403735 956034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am obliged to annoy y'all by linking http://xkcd.com/538/ < 1401403744 764971 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm annoyed already < 1401403749 64116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1401403759 310300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so annoyed I am going to go to bed < 1401403761 749586 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1401403774 86472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, getting an ice cream today was the best idea. < 1401403789 740826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also got some ice cream, with apple cake < 1401403989 629695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: also imagine Sgeo neither has backups nor wipes the unencrypted parts of the disk properly afterwards. < 1401404018 875030 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ my backup situation is... uh... (not trolling about that) < 1401404024 232903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess truecrypt installation ought to handle the latter, or something. < 1401404039 517933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea, but it *ought* to. < 1401404091 690234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : cryptobubble? <-- oh right time for my daily bitcoin check < 1401404118 214233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks stable < 1401404132 700918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun chart. http://divananalit.org/graphs/bitcoin-profitability-from-20130201-to-now.png < 1401404188 684417 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the difficulty is nice and regular < 1401404254 148183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's mostly an efficient market. < 1401404311 838102 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401404321 912752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit hard to read from that whether the miners are actually profiting or not < 1401404331 467988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the way to make money off bitcoing mining though, is to either sell the next generation of miners or to be an electricity company) < 1401404371 180501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. I was reading this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570396.0 < 1401404874 990529 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a006.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401404931 338518 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are two ways to mine profitably. one, be an early adapter of the next jump in efficiency (not much room left there, apparently), or 2, mine on other people's hardware (think botnet). < 1401404966 631460 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well botnets still cost money. < 1401404972 201562 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when the break even point is < 1401404979 551440 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the uh, opposite. < 1401404982 805446 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix even? break bad?? < 1401405105 210594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401405124 854188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I understand your meaning of "opposite" right, the opposite is also break even? < 1401405179 701067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"running on other people's hardware" also includes javascript bitcoin miners (a horrible waste of resources, but it's born by the website visitors) < 1401405192 318609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's -> the cost is < 1401405244 634282 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but time reversed, yes < 1401405255 774502 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck entropy, though, so it's basically the same < 1401405347 178826 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401405567 699754 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401405595 627727 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401405645 639389 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401405666 287450 :skarn!skarn@binary.firrre.com NICK :Guest53344 < 1401405727 720060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE aretecode < 1401405728 864080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArEtEcOdE: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1401405741 593930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.alcula.com/calculators/finance/bitcoin-mining/ looks fun to play with < 1401405814 734459 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oejan, HackEgo, thank you! < 1401405862 927845 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_page says there is currently no text in this page. < 1401405889 720429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm.. < 1401405893 712174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1401405894 318218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1401405922 207815 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help my uncle Jack off a horse < 1401406134 698767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aretecode: sadly the P needs to be capitalized too. < 1401406172 620359 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401406210 366435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie i think the job of making the url's in `WELCOME and `WeLcOmE actually work has now devolved to you. < 1401406210 617211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401406321 913393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous webmaster overcomplicated it so much that he gave up on actually implementing it. < 1401406343 328836 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it would be easiest to send it without "Main_Page" just like http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1401406362 971665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aretecode: well that still won't make /WiKi work < 1401406382 969030 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your router, lower case the argument < 1401406392 342245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed we did that for the spanish version, because it wouldn't fit on a line otherwise < 1401406408 953283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aretecode: yeah but fizzie will have to do that. < 1401406438 869978 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oejan, you made the url longer so that it would fit on a line in spanish?? < 1401406453 753462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, shorter. the spanish has extra info < 1401406457 320272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido < 1401406457 987559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1401406483 512543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that info being "We don't actually speak spanish here") < 1401406502 365994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1401406518 442882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we made it just that, no /wiki. hm... < 1401406542 121073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that bit is also case insensitive < 1401406546 314690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _would_ work on `WELCOME and `WeLcOmE < 1401406574 919744 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :took us a few years to work that out... did esolangs.org/ not use to redirect to the wiki? < 1401406580 204164 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) doesn't fit on a line for me 2) what olsner said 3) it isn't a spanish site < 1401406604 189666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aretecode: not a line in your client, but the maximal irc line limit < 1401406664 533086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's!wiki/main_page!!i' bin/{WeLcOmE,WELCOME} < 1401406665 21399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401406673 122709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1401406673 758497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1401406676 589947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1401406688 525341 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah that makes sense. < 1401406694 360702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some option to make s case insensitive < 1401406766 547452 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :online GNU sed manual says capital I < 1401406805 202811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's!wiki/main_page!!I' bin/{WeLcOmE,WELCOME} < 1401406805 724724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401406809 302679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1401406811 199152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1401406829 421395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -I -i 's!wiki/main_page!!' bin/{WeLcOmE,WELCOME} < 1401406829 570474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: invalid option -- 'I' \ Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ < 1401406840 808780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably not GNU sed :( < 1401406845 244148 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed --version` < 1401406845 648737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1401406861 372136 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname` < 1401406861 843936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1401406866 736195 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run arch` < 1401406867 238216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1401406871 902570 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed --version < 1401406872 321834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU sed version 4.2.1 \ Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, \ to the extent permitted by law. \ \ GNU sed home page: . \ General help using GNU so < 1401406875 328119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: no ending ` sheesh < 1401406882 827404 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo siento < 1401406898 107072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TOD14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39720&oldid=31565 5* 03Null 5* (+120) 10/* Execution */ add two missing instructions < 1401406913 517549 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname < 1401406913 967758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux < 1401406918 433446 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I figured < 1401406962 68196 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo asdf | sed 's/ASDF/foo/i' < 1401406962 558452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1401406964 336286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -p -n -i 's!wiki/main_page!!i;' bin/{WeLcOmE,WELCOME} < 1401406964 767902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "s!wiki/main_page!!i;": No such file or directory < 1401406975 729583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -p -n -i -e 's!wiki/main_page!!i;' bin/{WeLcOmE,WELCOME} < 1401406976 205917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401406984 971284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1401406985 646866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1401406991 478944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1401407034 943867 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the !s < 1401407057 410165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no I don't < 1401407057 501553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them < 1401407080 486382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's!WiKi/MaIn_pAgE!!' bin/WeLcOmE < 1401407081 22685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401407087 186252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1401407087 874210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1401407097 139764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1401407103 159997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/WeLcOmE < 1401407103 567174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | CaT < 1401407112 424439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1401407141 235277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1401407141 885266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1401407162 959893 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -e ',WiKi/MaIn_pAgE,!d' bin/WeLcOmE < 1401407163 396957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `,' < 1401407165 437700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's!wiki/Main_Page!!' wisdom/welcome < 1401407168 800594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401407174 39901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1401407174 785427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1401407180 112031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. < 1401407191 575492 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -e '\,WiKi/MaIn_pAgE,!d' bin/WeLcOmE < 1401407192 14251 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401407208 829649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: plz stop and pay attention hth < 1401407215 21130 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo siento < 1401407229 948275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1401407230 684696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1401407231 281869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was a stupid mistake of not remembering how the `welcomes work) < 1401407271 270735 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-205-94.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401407308 521988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie Never mind, we found a better way < 1401407308 575901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401407339 461915 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401407940 120651 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.235 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401408114 725925 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://spacecollege.org/isee3/we-are-now-in-command-of-the-isee-3-spacecraft.html < 1401408895 862690 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1401409817 629865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401410959 400707 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:59f8:6778:22b6:7ca1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401411737 173191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is the kind of movie where a man shitting in a hat is not enough; he must shit in two hats, and then spill one of them in close-up." < 1401412110 892656 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this re: the ISEE < 1401412208 478573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, this is some unrelated shit < 1401412830 428654 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@static-71-183-108-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC < 1401415855 194627 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/26st9q/got_missing_methods_solution_method_not_missing/ < 1401416541 321551 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://new.livestream.com/spacex/DragonV2 < 1401416739 608740 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that countdown was awesome < 1401416750 766571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1401416964 354088 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-209-211.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401417011 438139 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-209-211.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401417746 454064 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL/S#Syntax < 1401418886 700879 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401419054 171576 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum. I don't think my solution on XSS-Game level 6 was the intended one < 1401419107 147326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :V hfrq n qngn HEV < 1401419187 877462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hff wrx furfu xecp ntower < 1401419209 262313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*furffu < 1401419221 804588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*furrfu < 1401419297 312313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one of those words is rot13? < 1401419334 321761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebg13 vf uneq < 1401419335 727781 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that if you pick a random series of letters there's a 50% chance that it's rot13 for D I C K S Q U A D < 1401419337 587059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are rot26 < 1401419418 239819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: snfpvangvat < 1401419448 902012 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⅅ 𝕀 ℂ 𝕂 𝕊 ℚ 𝕌 𝔸 𝔻 < 1401419467 102701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not rot13 Bike < 1401419476 936611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⅅ 𝕀 ℂ 𝕂 𝕊 ℚ 𝕌 𝔸 𝔻 < 1401419477 387994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2145 DOUBLE-STRUCK ITALIC CAPITAL D] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1D540 MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL I] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+2102 DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL C] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1D542 MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL K] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1D54A MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL S] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+211A DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL Q] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1D54C M < 1401419510 201848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⅅ𝕀ℂ𝕂𝕊ℚ𝕌𝔸𝔻 < 1401419510 678506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2145 DOUBLE-STRUCK ITALIC CAPITAL D] [U+1D540 MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL I] [U+2102 DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL C] [U+1D542 MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL K] [U+1D54A MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL S] [U+211A DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL Q] [U+1D54C MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL U] [U+1D538 MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL A] [U+1D5 < 1401419545 442686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is that blackboard bold < 1401419548 748500 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego wants the d < 1401419582 554029 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, a blackboard-bold Greek letter mu (not found in Unicode) is sometimes used by number theorists and algebraic geometers (with a subscript n) to designate the group (or more specifically group scheme) of n-th roots of unity. < 1401419593 659308 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even with all these bullshit characters they're missing ones mathematicians actually use < 1401419626 398470 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1401420000 346870 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have blackboard-bold aleph though? < 1401420097 745046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have blackboard-bold multiocular O < 1401420133 379538 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ☆ < 1401420133 857421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2606 WHITE STAR] < 1401420139 301597 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackboard-bold white star? < 1401420995 529924 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401421119 933250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black hole sun < 1401421227 141436 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401421489 19639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't you come? < 1401421935 782606 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black Sun, Blaxxun. I miss Cybertown < 1401421945 322432 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no green sun? < 1401422188 14708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo (only): in what modern country was the mayan civilization located? < 1401422215 108725 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing either US or Mexico, but I'm not certain < 1401422375 673668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was no modern country hth < 1401422406 811557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wikipedes < 1401422502 297066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no country for old mayans < 1401422710 612598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: excuse me did you mean that as a joke or as a trick question, i need to know why to swat you twh < 1401422817 254381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a serious question. and mexico (or more specifically yucatan peninsula) is what i was looking for. (i hope you won't swat me for not writing out the longwinded version that makes it clear that i realize maya and mexico never coexisted) < 1401422853 59779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no. < 1401422879 716498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats quintopia for not realizing the maya civilization included parts outside mexico -----### < 1401422897 701434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn that would have been doubly longwinded < 1401422936 749750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point was to find out what country random people most associate maya with. not whether they can list all the countries it overlapped. < 1401422973 486811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i recall correctly, the last independent maya kingdom conquered by the spanish was in nicaragua. < 1401422999 415045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1401423024 521702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learned that too on wikipedia < 1401423070 316978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia makes everyone experts! < 1401423105 238365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1401423112 137633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to check that < 1401423186 62343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was probably guatemala. sound practically alike! < 1401423295 535036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah one of my random pollees said "southern mexico, belize, and guatemala". she's too smart. < 1401423310 535669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have said "mexico and probably some other places" < 1401423402 941004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several nicaraguan and guatemalan restaurants within a short walk of my house < 1401423470 514555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two last cities conquered in 1697 < 1401423494 719518 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to live near a good el savadoran restaurant < 1401423508 991668 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1401423742 53844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait am i forgetting to eat again -> < 1401423892 229827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/gallery/Jb6jW < 1401423992 495870 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete comfort sounds pretty good < 1401424017 617919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FULL ABSOLUTE PROTECTION OF MICROCHIPS IMPLANTED INTO THE HUMAN !!! < 1401424026 544607 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's like a pipboy... for your house!!" son, < 1401424140 478558 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401424311 392797 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:59f8:6778:22b6:7ca1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401424399 308570 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Client Quit < 1401424421 400957 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401424577 125783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1401424614 295189 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comment on the images < 1401424935 262814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your reaction meant to mean, though < 1401424956 919393 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cruelty. < 1401425631 445537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1401425636 263274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots fall on fungot falls < 1401425636 694744 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but i don't believe i ever said anything about compiling))) you only need to work?' < 1401425691 159123 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401425691 252224 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401425699 910636 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1401425991 75504 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/minicomputers/11/362 < 1401426090 54625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your opinion on rockets < 1401426090 291546 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: s/ a comment/ fnord" is what i do actually know one or two sml implementations. scheme has so many parentheses, though? < 1401426111 591873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that doesn't seem very relevant < 1401426112 35755 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the implementation is flawed. why do you wanna try my hand at porting it to common lisp, i personally am not a toy" or " fnord". < 1401426129 487566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh. sorry about that. < 1401426129 875584 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ' vehemently blurry' would be an idea to let users with commit access put eggs online too?! < 1401426130 627233 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-209-211.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401426145 637813 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.bryanbibat.net/2014/01/30/obligatory-hearthstone-post-from-a-former-magic-player/ < 1401426250 42442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, recipes were probably actually my first exposure to computers. < 1401426258 734615 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents' cookbook still has printed emails from the 90s in it < 1401426307 138987 :MoALTz!~no@user-164-126-209-211.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401427659 460787 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39721&oldid=39719 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+48) 10unsigned, move to end of intro < 1401427776 509442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Vehemently blurry | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1401427931 637365 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:5db5:77e8:fa7a:7e56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401427934 871120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39722&oldid=39721 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+36) 10Move this long comment to own section < 1401428146 387704 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401428262 340964 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401428542 970970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the set of lambda calculus terms that reduce to themselves in n steps r.e.? < 1401429144 27204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes. < 1401429160 625229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try all n step reductions on each term < 1401429203 56563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only a finite number of options in each step < 1401430042 240116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401430138 168743 :password2!~password@197.78.138.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401430147 12796 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive, too, then. < 1401430873 539110 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401430976 219081 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1401431202 714851 :MoALTz_!~no@user-164-126-209-211.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401432082 176414 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1401432115 214620 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:5db5:77e8:fa7a:7e56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401432166 240913 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:9922:32fb:d3f5:b02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401433030 706713 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401433467 828665 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401433850 274187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39723&oldid=39264 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+10728) 10/* Performance Matrix */ < 1401433916 27171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39724&oldid=39723 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-7112) 10/* Performance Matrix */ < 1401434507 547401 :password2!~password@197.78.138.232 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401435235 501381 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401435500 2310 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401435953 797069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39725&oldid=39724 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+271) 10/* Interpreter List */ < 1401437263 869340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39726&oldid=39725 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-1758) 10/* Interpreter List */ < 1401437687 501513 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401437687 774916 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401438602 341745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1401438942 336711 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401438967 96061 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401439581 210617 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just preparing to catch the train to Cambridge for the Core War tournament tomorrow :-) < 1401439625 647626 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be on IRC to post live updates from the tournament. < 1401439764 976485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are core war tournaments? < 1401439771 847899 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, offline? < 1401439782 526530 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed < 1401440507 893283 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401440509 384728 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1401440817 88050 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I launched a perceptron with 3300 inputs < 1401440833 574855 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may as well go home because it's not gonna be over until next week < 1401443169 885938 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes, tournaments for a few other games too, notably Robocode :-) < 1401443188 154770 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There've been offline CW tournaments in France and Austria so far this year. < 1401443200 414062 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i'd love robocode if it'd be less java < 1401443248 895372 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can play robocode with Scala. (unless I just imagined it) < 1401443266 264781 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be interesting < 1401443281 449909 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are similar games anyway, CROBOTS, TclRobots, Scalatron, etc < 1401443299 517633 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.16.208.46.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1401443300 733903 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some programming game with curses ui? < 1401443999 16920 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was little I had a computer game that taught basic maths (stuff like addition, subtraction, multiplication, division for easy numbers) < 1401444026 87284 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The story of the game was that the local Mathemagician had been kidnapped and you had to explore the scary forest to save him < 1401444041 763180 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... used to speedrun that game when I was 6 < 1401444049 814663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I can't remember the name < 1401444383 212533 :Guest53344!skarn@binary.firrre.com QUIT :Changing host < 1401444383 266952 :Guest53344!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1401444399 446436 :Guest53344!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn NICK :skarn < 1401444685 273971 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ilgneczuqxnnhbvb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401444834 738927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is it a PC game? or what other game system platform? < 1401444844 428564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC < 1401444851 172853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was point-and-click < 1401444864 764499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably have the CD at home < 1401445094 616412 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note... < 1401445121 831824 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how I have the Haskell lib "groups"? < 1401445192 897353 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am tempted to add a RULES pragma saying "mappend (invert a) (invert b) => invert (mappend b a)" < 1401445270 466377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the basis that invert can be "division", and division is expensive < 1401446132 499228 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have this course for maths students in their 4th semester < 1401446154 468080 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is that one assignment < 1401446163 674366 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"draw a platypus" < 1401446197 92447 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401446822 901126 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but that sort of depends on what type a and b are; sometimes (mappend (invert a) (invert b)) is actually cheaper, sometimes more expensive < 1401446839 219507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I've hesitated < 1401446897 64142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add two semantic synonyms to invert, one that prefers to remain separate, and one that prefers to merge; < 1401446944 761005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, um, perhaps define this RULES for only some types < 1401447092 586400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm off to get some lunch and then do an exam < 1401447094 663773 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1401447767 904486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401448357 406410 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to get some bike and do work. < 1401448360 433465 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :à plus! < 1401448362 918067 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401449261 662463 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401450379 521298 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401451450 294235 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401452066 940846 :Fodor_!~mortuary@5.29.22.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401453784 959724 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401455476 116623 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401456169 993392 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:9922:32fb:d3f5:b02 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401456197 247988 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:9922:32fb:d3f5:b02 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401456251 523655 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1401456419 783873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401457334 242590 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401459906 880060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A concrete truck and a concrete truck http://i.imgur.com/80tB0.jpg < 1401459910 98400 :Fjlb!~Kernel@88.214.180.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401460143 911065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucked that one up < 1401460158 988476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was more impressive: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/victoria-line-cement-flooding-fixed-workers-used-sugar-to-stop-spilled-concrete-from-setting-9082206.html < 1401460263 934830 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401460308 312876 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1401460774 369646 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401460774 465139 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401460912 351146 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401461124 68924 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1401461175 500470 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401461212 14365 :Fjlb!~Kernel@88.214.180.207 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401461347 299650 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:9922:32fb:d3f5:b02 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401461516 298300 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:ddaa:9eea:f3a8:f28a JOIN :#esoteric < 1401461668 823084 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401461703 1159 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401462161 395486 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1401463507 363279 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:ddaa:9eea:f3a8:f28a QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401464620 141222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401465378 469233 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401465805 763392 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401465939 115210 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1401466964 683334 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401467183 517285 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401467415 713492 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1401467576 868819 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401467991 516110 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone elsewhere did approximately this: < 1401467996 42609 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@___@ < 1401467996 193663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1401468006 686417 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that particular response. < 1401468045 131793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1401468053 612461 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that unexpected < 1401468066 124003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My copy of Parallel and Concurrent Haskell arrived :D < 1401468094 631640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly not unexpected as far as lambdabot is concerned. < 1401468096 208366 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not really, I just found it amusing. < 1401468633 170869 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401469159 387211 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401469242 121146 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401470243 64052 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paraskell < 1401470247 217212 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401470758 131850 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39727&oldid=39650 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+1373) 10 < 1401473701 41402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39728&oldid=39727 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+204) 10 < 1401473755 255567 :not^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:39a1:933d:969f:3f4b QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401474345 158234 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skip to about 2:00. That voice. http://d396qusza40orc.cloudfront.net/dsp/recoded_videos%2FModule%205_12-h264%20for%20Coursera%20%5B0c477c9c%5D%20.mp4 < 1401474981 292155 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401475298 59112 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401475316 150239 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401475619 658250 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401476077 791806 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxhjsgcikcqgejvw JOIN :#esoteric < 1401476205 646377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: interesting talk, now I sort of know what an impulse response is < 1401476215 306806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk? lecture? something < 1401476217 660025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:GreyKnight14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39729&oldid=8619 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+110) 10 < 1401476248 768339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning esotericans < 1401476271 461833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodfternoon < 1401476295 551491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I slept on and off for about 12 hours < 1401476299 883984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1401476316 336480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it saturday morning there? < 1401476335 374192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :friday morning (well, one minute before noon) < 1401476347 489296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most places are ahead of the US west coast < 1401476395 892251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never figure out which direction "ahead of" is when it comes to time zones < 1401476403 714850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant a later time than < 1401476430 275365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we are pretty close to the date line < 1401476439 198234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "now" everywhere, people just put different numbers on it < 1401476443 508845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1401476562 842633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're UTC-8, -7 in the summer < 1401476577 751727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not many people live in UTC-9 thru UTC-12 < 1401476581 802088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but relativity says it's impossible to determine what "now" exactly means...!!! < 1401476603 416546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just alaska and hawai'i and some other islands < 1401476632 550185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afaik nobody has done any silly negative offsets less than 12 < 1401476638 126175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like UTC+13 and UTC+14 < 1401476676 915094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be getting confused because "ahead of" and "before" are the same word in swedish (and e.g. friday morning is before friday evening) < 1401476694 515170 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: like, approximately < 1401476767 952669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wut < 1401476782 70958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess that makes some sense < 1401476931 146486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like how stacks that grow "up" grow towards smaller addresses B| < 1401476972 893282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? that's growing down to me < 1401476994 396502 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course you always add things to the top of the stack even when the top is at the bottom < 1401477036 162118 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401477211 161782 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401477554 628013 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401477639 97357 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401477655 692364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401477657 292980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13glanguinecoin 04dupcoin 07tropyrrhotabllaerloidarlycoin 08todcoin 09wikicoin 02exetercugnitecoin 06exandrecoin 13madnanticoin 04matinycoin 07carecoin 08surcoin 09licecoin 02sorcoin 06aarcoin 13datescrcoin 04xorckincoin 07pingcoin 08rhadcoin 09andypacoin 025-logcoin < 1401477711 884577 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401477758 95570 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1401478128 296677 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1401478600 798367 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1401478705 913810 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401479161 374156 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The whole course has been interesting. https://www.coursera.org/course/dsp < 1401479398 389386 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401479726 925404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1401479729 415974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is so confusing < 1401479732 659130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does anybody manage < 1401479757 641823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you make your way when your way is making you? < 1401479757 698310 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugz- no, wait < 1401479757 754583 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: d has two 100% incompatible stdlibs that you can't do with them < 1401479808 108511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401480025 465357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you confusing? < 1401480025 702654 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what is how? :) btw, i have, and fnord < 1401480048 886880 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe life seems less confusing now? < 1401480065 571617 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401480155 559868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1401480273 15894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vehemently blurry < 1401480317 79626 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about life are you making yourself confused about? < 1401480442 902120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION handwaves < 1401480551 275708 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: pretty sure nobody manages and we're all just terrified < 1401480862 178912 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a lambda term, can we determine that repeated normal reduction of that term will result in that term? < 1401480878 226508 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401480884 578624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I am leaning towards that explanation, yeah < 1401480893 356675 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving the halting problem to terms that grow unboundedly. < 1401480936 774310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: I think a term might grow arbitrarily large before reducing back to the original term < 1401480948 774896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: still I am an outlier in more than a few senses :P < 1401480955 591469 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot decide whether a term reduces to itself < 1401480960 686638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody once told me that in high dimensional space, all points are outliers < 1401481002 318053 :Fodor_!~mortuary@5.29.22.102 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401481011 63621 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: why not? < 1401481031 682602 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401481068 155701 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody once told me that in high dimensional space it's pretty hard to know what the hell is happening < 1401481138 878432 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can reduce the halting problem to that < 1401481148 776603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in high dimensional space nobody can hear you scream < 1401481157 625279 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How, though? < 1401481179 866724 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there are plenty of terms w/o normal forms that don't reduce to themselves, or to anything that reduces to itself. < 1401481190 926590 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/Akc6r.gif < 1401481246 613778 :mcpherri1!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401481251 111195 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :given a TM M, build a lambda term that will reduce to itself when M is found to halt < 1401481255 567699 :erdic_!erdic@2604:180::6050:fab4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401481286 287290 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that grows unboundedly when M doesn't halt < 1401481294 242440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1401481295 747096 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1401481296 705083 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1401481299 365191 :Gracenotes_!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1401481302 769996 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1401481310 807897 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1401481344 915602 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1401481394 86343 :mcpherri1!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :mcpherrin < 1401481396 211738 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's straightforward < 1401481458 971080 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this was straightforward to me, would I be asking you? < 1401481548 497190 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just let the lambda term simulate M < 1401481582 114621 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep track of the number of steps to get a growing component < 1401481815 731063 :erdic_!erdic@2604:180::6050:fab4 QUIT :Changing host < 1401481815 786944 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1401481824 119065 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley NICK :erdic < 1401481908 334998 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@69.166.35.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what that means, apparently < 1401482063 580341 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401482628 555241 :impomatic!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401482701 532494 :impomatic!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) Free hotel wifi! < 1401482765 593634 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1401482836 158610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401482842 154266 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401482963 979128 :mihow!~mihow@rrcs-50-75-208-18.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1401483125 866077 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:augur_!~augur@pool-71-191-99-239.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401485893 213842 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-99-239.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401486135 250576 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401486148 394734 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@static-71-183-108-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401486215 107318 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401486678 777430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1401486685 225792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@__@ < 1401486688 621027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@___@ < 1401486688 786754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1401486757 160718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : My copy of Parallel and Concurrent Haskell arrived :D <-- you should have ordered two to check for race conditions hth < 1401486781 51423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03042004 < 1401486878 987874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1401487138 335650 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1401487247 581946 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>middle-endian datestamp < 1401487280 753521 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>not using ISO 8601 < 1401487294 346213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: pretty sure nobody manages and we're all just terrified <-- HEY YOU BEAT ME TO THE JOKE < 1401487319 149306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an old joke. < 1401487320 804920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard when you're several hours ahead (hi olsner), but still < 1401487339 605158 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :holsner < 1401487344 210277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin is in the same timezone as me < 1401487352 557189 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee time zones < 1401487355 317118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i mean in the logs hth < 1401487550 729545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have no idea what that means, apparently <-- hint, lambda calculus is turing complete, so you can simulate anything with it. < 1401487586 488441 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401487589 650292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :including an annotated interpreter of lambda calculus < 1401487760 764015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ^ < 1401487773 462502 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401488193 681993 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401488233 389770 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401488233 485622 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401488263 15962 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401488371 269276 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1401488483 111153 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401488940 737884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :) < 1401488951 463531 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401489154 302829 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401489154 497564 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401489164 912887 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401489188 568048 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1401489236 474335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, madbr < 1401489384 302858 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd question, but anyone know which (if any) image formats respond interestingly to random bit-flipping? < 1401489400 778399 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them? :-P < 1401489406 613794 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what do you mean by "interestingly" < 1401489414 769184 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin, pretty corruption < 1401489429 931286 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to that of our politicians < 1401489440 612740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yog sothoth showing up, that sort of thing < 1401489451 767452 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or yogi bear < 1401489467 963177 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think jpeg2000 might be fun < 1401489498 501217 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401489518 610775 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :video formats where the random reverse-DCT'd data will move around interestingly with motion vectors? < 1401489568 163955 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSM? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yog-Sothoth.jpg < 1401489607 885251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note, played Arkham Horror today. It did not go well. < 1401489610 515872 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the LZ* kind of encodings like gif or png which might have some intersting behavior < 1401489627 33597 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah gif is kinda fun, especially if the flips occur early < 1401489669 871167 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jpg might do some interesting stuff too thanks to its crazy zig zag pattern < 1401489690 387772 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best thing to do here is to test < 1401489701 226358 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401489713 982554 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take, say, random imgur images, convert to a handful of image formats, and flip random bits! < 1401489722 957278 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete runs of bits, etc < 1401489825 244905 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401489835 325471 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401489906 311617 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I see you already deleted some bits from jpeg. ;-) < 1401489997 476259 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried it < 1401490042 614146 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401490141 546802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i think confusing Yog-Sothoth with the FSM is a rather dangerous mistake hth < 1401490180 573714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, unless the FSM is really Yog-Sothoth in (really bad) disguise. in which case we're all hosed anyway. < 1401490870 479458 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401490877 685142 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401491069 259588 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401491194 93868 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401491421 730610 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@137.53.249.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401491743 552037 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you usually do on a Friday night? < 1401491743 927779 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think i might get continuations, < 1401491759 684712 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: continuing what? < 1401491760 290574 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: pythons whitespace thingie makes it hard to get below the third element without dropping something < 1401491772 949113 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ah. continuing whitespace. very zen. < 1401491773 174201 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: don't forget " integrate into the operating system < 1401491784 483867 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I shall quote you on that. < 1401491785 32668 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( 1 ( values 1 2 3)) ( state-5))? i suspect so! :o) < 1401491807 231949 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-99-239.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401492078 375687 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-125-221.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401492206 863669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-57-171.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401492291 58387 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401492371 858236 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1401492376 702556 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401492467 740873 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401493038 826320 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401493186 230947 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401493289 512482 :kallisti_!~adam@h215.185.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401493338 50963 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401493499 846734 :kallisti!~adam@h174.133.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401493760 221106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.) :: forall a c. (exists b. (b -> c, a -> b)) -> (a -> c) < 1401493814 580701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's just crazy talk < 1401493886 549251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, having a tuple in that type threw me for a minute < 1401493992 812975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just, like, coyoneda < 1401494011 195701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exists x. (f x, x -> a)) and all that < 1401494163 93338 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401494163 912890 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck coyoneda < 1401494164 134511 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1401494193 382677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1401494193 750604 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 302350Z 34006KT 9999 FEW019 BKN032 09/06 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 32010KT < 1401494199 843392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brrr* < 1401494202 848997 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1401494203 194677 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 302300Z 03013G20KT 30SM BKN090 21/06 A3007 RMK AC5 TCU ASOCTD SLP181 DENSITY ALT 600FT < 1401494210 247234 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1401494226 149600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: coyoneda f a = (exists x. (f x, x -> a)) hth < 1401494242 65551 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh. < 1401494252 655195 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at foralls and exists in type signatures. < 1401494257 594170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you evil scoundrel canadians stealing our weather just because you have daylight < 1401494295 788117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's just functions and tuples hth < 1401494302 622635 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we're having nice weather, with blossoming trees, blue skies, nice bike lanes. < 1401494302 700394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly the wether forecast wasn't much better for the daytime < 1401494328 280768 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: still. the foralls disturb my chakras and imbalance my humours. < 1401494387 939666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what should we expect anyway, after all ENVA is the weather of hell < 1401494412 439942 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of flowery stuff, what is that one? → https://www.dropbox.com/s/yiki722p5addshq/2014-05-30%2018.05.16.jpg < 1401494422 425713 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@137.53.249.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an example of a coyoneda value < 1401494445 792354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_: ^ do you know this flower < 1401494492 951043 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_ knows flowers? I'll remember that :) < 1401494506 984054 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recognize that one < 1401494521 325967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flower looks familiar < 1401494532 621605 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401494540 460546 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flowers look very generic rosaceae but could be something else < 1401494578 523123 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those notched leaves are probably more distinctive < 1401494613 339794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: an expert in all plantal and fungal matters, clearly < 1401494623 776730 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flowers are very small, about ¼” Ø. < 1401494629 788149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: ([97,98,99], chr) < 1401494652 634910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Øngstråm? < 1401494686 87406 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't type the real Unicode Diameter symbol on my keyboard, so I defaulted to Ø. < 1401494712 440604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1401494725 371640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DIAMETER SYMBOL < 1401494726 106269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1401494733 348851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1401494739 773352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode [DIAMETER SYMBOL] < 1401494740 779742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0000 \ UTF-8: 00 UTF-16BE: 0000 Decimal: � \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+0001 \ UTF-8: 01 UTF-16BE: 0001 Decimal:  \ . \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) \ \ U+0002 \ UTF-8: 02 UTF-16BE: 0002 Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cc (Other, C < 1401494741 282481 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401494746 338469 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1401494751 772826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1401494783 716656 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@137.53.249.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401494785 533783 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DIAMETER SIGN < 1401494786 73831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⌀ < 1401494808 695296 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. I'm using urxvt, therefore I can Ctrl-Shift-Hexcode. < 1401494837 86985 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌀⏑⌀ < 1401494846 668645 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can look harder at it when I'm not at work < 1401494928 153788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⌀⏑⌀ < 1401494928 693632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2300 DIAMETER SIGN] [U+23D1 METRICAL BREVE] [U+2300 DIAMETER SIGN] < 1401495154 969148 :douglass_!~iridium@18.9.64.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid all-hands meeting < 1401495302 394233 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all-hands meeting on a Friday afternoon? why not? it's vile, it's horrendous, it makes God do Bad Things to kittens! < 1401495406 487404 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401495406 781490 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401495516 689921 :Zyprexa!~qwe@179.186.158.62.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1401495976 459667 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401496102 107673 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401496124 467629 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401496160 453396 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401496728 8878 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1401496912 216380 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401496998 488427 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401497357 527567 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401497553 486663 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401497659 551124 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401497760 91724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401497768 491141 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401497790 256016 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-132-42.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401497837 308026 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-99-239.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401497874 662542 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401497899 571623 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401497961 531766 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401497961 793003 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401498011 595920 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401498120 455958 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401498262 481609 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401498284 571251 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401498307 584777 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401498327 665735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :developing for rustc is a world of rebase pain... between the time you write a patch and when you get it merged, somebody will have renamed a std lib function and literally 2,500 occurrences of it within the rustc codebase < 1401498343 969614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :servo is meant to build on a specific rustc version that only updates every month or two, but rustc is always meant to be built by the latest version of itself, AND by the "stage0" snapshot binaries, which can be significantly further behind < 1401498424 961150 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1401498437 56195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well it's all part of the fun really < 1401498443 417686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a faster machine at home to do this stuff < 1401498462 902595 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1401498490 639806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the std lib is split into more compilation units now so it can build more in parallel < 1401498530 642893 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401498721 460066 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401498751 277262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't really be complaining about getting 55 SO rep just because GHC doesn't have -fwarn-tabs on by default and stackoverflow reformats tabs to 4 spaces so no one else realizes why the code is wrong, but it's a little stupid. < 1401498779 622991 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401498823 770418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401499188 346526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rep can be redeemed for so many good jams < 1401499198 919566 :rottytooth!~rottytoot@static-71-183-108-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY! < 1401499262 297904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have jam, whats the problem < 1401499278 480299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this done shachaf < 1401499305 779660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i haven't collected enough so rep to find out < 1401499317 599578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know it can be done < 1401499329 36316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else would people be collecting it for < 1401499416 925898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of jam do you have < 1401499427 589892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it Balsamic Caramelized Onion Spread < 1401499447 577217 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that's more of a chutney... < 1401499468 28620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawberry hth < 1401499469 769176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a 15-card booster pack of Magic: The Gathering cards < 1401499470 560946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401499475 937935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawberry is good too < 1401499492 133108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about cloudberry < 1401499493 382108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lakka) < 1401499497 191428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good jam < 1401499517 875656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't had that in a while. < 1401499630 933845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this one berry has multeple names < 1401499657 999852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iswtd < 1401499665 779279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+y < 1401499887 181333 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a cruchon of lingonberry jam from ikea. it was good. < 1401499897 190776 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how do you say fr:cruchon in English?) < 1401499915 494418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: dare I go this far into the macro rabbit hole? https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/94de6ddc5098c43fd3ff < 1401499949 662558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt kmc manages to get macros banned from rust < 1401499956 838417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401499961 372069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fork the language if that happens < 1401499999 907689 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GLASS CHICKEN < 1401500003 290325 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401500035 29086 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I once wrote a program that turned the XQuery spec into an xquery compiler < 1401500041 281703 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1401500053 531125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: nice < 1401500055 979918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night Taneb < 1401500059 784212 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you should use that as your DSL < 1401500083 157502 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there's a grammar for HTML5 you can transform < 1401500095 203161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1401500099 438954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the HTML5 syntax spec. < 1401500103 609116 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha, no < 1401500118 162599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tree-construction.html#tree-construction < 1401500166 543901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like spaceteam. 'Set the frameset-ok flag to "not ok"!' 'Reconstruct the active formatting elements!' < 1401500182 525443 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man I should play spaceteam < 1401500196 302443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tokenizer is a bit more structured; you could maybe translate it, although it would be better for WHATWG to maintain a machine-readable spec that is translated to HTML < 1401500199 298869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tokenization.html < 1401500200 183777 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose technically it counts as a "grammar"? < 1401500214 980051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not actually undecidable, so yeah < 1401500216 508888 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that's about as much a grammar as is the output of Yacc. < 1401500266 728869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammars can be undecidable hth < 1401500295 756719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cruchon hth < 1401500295 868918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401500442 798543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: note that the existing code has shit like start!(mut t) if match_atom!(t.name { ... 30 LINE LONG GUARD ... }) => Done, < 1401500786 191533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still really pleased that LLVM can compile match_atom!() into tests on an immediate bitmask < 1401500819 659181 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that's cool < 1401501182 802617 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-57-171.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401501243 489222 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401501488 659325 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1401503209 32197 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't there seem to be many offline HTML5 validators? < 1401503223 821700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering that once < 1401503245 666293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I failed at setting up a local instance of the popular one, forget what it's called < 1401503277 455938 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1401503296 174767 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, do any of them allow settings to allow for one specific kind of invalidity to pass? >.> < 1401503306 343215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1401503312 60956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind? < 1401503341 725968 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown non data- attributes. I blame Angular. < 1401503482 373759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1401503493 472191 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: helluva macro < 1401503557 968276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1401503565 611252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only problem is it doesn't exist yet < 1401503604 73054 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1401503642 154775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish ads were better targetted. Don't show me ads for Christian dating sites, and don't show me ads for a game that I'm already addicted to (although ads for fansites still make sense) < 1401503655 241318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401503664 783641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you willing to accept more invasive personal tracking to make that happen < 1401503670 114574 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they shouldn't need it right? < 1401503677 224201 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Like, if they are going to show me an eve ad < 1401503689 721589 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can say "He logged on to eve form that IP 30 minutes ago" < 1401503693 673969 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :"instead show him an ad for PLEX" < 1401503699 222593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1401503799 413022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, people using historical life-expectancy-at-birth as an indicator of when average adults would die < 1401503884 598756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding Christian dating: "Look, obviously God wanted us to enjoy ourselves, that's why he invented pills and clubs and lube and hardcore. But he also wanted us to give something back, and that's why he created the homeless, the lepers and the oil spills." < 1401504061 3527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1401504062 386594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13colacoin 04unacoin 07revergcoin 08mempcoin 09pohtcoin 02reszekcoin 06hesecoin 13excollicoin 04luillineigateuropricoin 07tunimalcoin 08rocontinucoin 09homeofthesiscoin 02cordcoin 06libacoin 13sebourgcoin 04skynurtecoin 07timebrackcoin 08numgestcoin 09minimaltllycoin 02patrecoin < 1401504085 118371 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-128-233.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401504209 298885 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-132-42.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401504287 793663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1401504314 853088 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401504404 11541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you link a program compile with GNU C compiler with a program compile with Visual Basic 6? < 1401504567 715911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried about whatever plan you have, zzo38. < 1401504602 104032 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VB6 isn't quite gone away enough to make it cool and retro < 1401504616 201155 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commodore BASIC is. < 1401504658 617488 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, go for IBM COBOL. < 1401504760 848228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of that is the point... < 1401505572 724762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless cobol < 1401506007 616790 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered telling some of my company's clients? < 1401506022 504586 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Subjective_Effects_of_Nitrous_Oxide read plz < 1401506034 149338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to not finish a cobol struct parser kthx < 1401506088 433433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that guy < 1401506233 360643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ooh you actually do cobol-related programming? < 1401506288 529382 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presently? Yes, actually. < 1401506318 692736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: iirc VB 6 can load .dlls < 1401506339 428214 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out that some places will pay ludicrous amounts of money for a product that lets you take in random mainframe data and spit out something actually sane. < 1401506414 645429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I know, but I want it to be static linking < 1401506426 105382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i don't know < 1401506428 919605 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why? < 1401506485 482279 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly *hard*, just irritating, because it's practically a computer archaeology project. < 1401506517 820325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a Windows GUI program which can be static linked with cross-platform C programs < 1401506577 727821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moves-per-second indicator I drunk-coded for 2048 shows NaN until you use the "restart game" feature at least once < 1401506580 823932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, javascript < 1401506594 391189 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's got to be better ways of doing that < 1401506663 385555 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This incidentally is *not* the fun part of my job. :P < 1401506683 926641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sprocklem: Maybe, but, what is it going to be? < 1401506749 24392 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know < 1401506864 469356 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : due to 0/0? < 1401506913 175111 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or js fills missing numerical variables with nan? :O < 1401506940 184535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because undefined * 0 = NaN < 1401506942 844584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who knows < 1401506975 840025 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul JS < 1401506985 899300 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like the web but JS :( < 1401506997 646527 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should switch to NaCl < 1401507028 14556 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does js compare to, like, python, lua and perl? < 1401507040 683127 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are the other languages in that "category" < 1401507061 234861 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it depends how you're trying to classify... < 1401507079 608885 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda like python, but with a more C-like syntax, but without python's big std lib < 1401507084 467832 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my classification depends on the major preformance tradeoffs < 1401507103 436645 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS has probably one of the fastests JITs around < 1401507112 393625 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no garbage collection = C, C++, asm, some others like fortran < 1401507129 235036 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbage collection but no dynamic typing = java, C# < 1401507141 838655 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is garbage collected, interpteted/JITted, dynamically typed (but secretly not for perf) < 1401507155 839857 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic typing = JS, lua, perl, python... < 1401507174 728767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: itym C, C++, asm, Rust! < 1401507185 550481 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1401507191 563665 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: JS is also very weakly typed < 1401507192 980227 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS uses closures pretty heavily, including as "classes" < 1401507223 375965 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS has a lot of weird type system interactions too, especially with things like implicit conversion to strings and numbers < 1401507234 482963 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It's got prototype base object orientation < 1401507261 500868 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :object orientation doesn't really have an impact on performance < 1401507264 829877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my record time so far is 220 seconds, which I guess is pretty good, although I'm playing a variant of 2048 which is easier than the official one < 1401507283 651073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SQLite also uses a kind of dynamic typing? (This is different from some other SQL implementations which are statically typed) < 1401507297 391443 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: No < 1401507319 668572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: the biggest difference between JS / asm.js and NaCl is not language but platform < 1401507321 428944 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inversely dynamic typing does... you can go through all sorts of JIT compilation hoops to try to remove the impact but that's hard < 1401507325 182162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm.js uses standard web APIs < 1401507334 284497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaCl uses things that are chrome-only for all practical purposes < 1401507339 611973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can guess which one mozilla favors... < 1401507340 556665 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: NaCl with standards APIs would be <3 < 1401507343 545714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401507352 478710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can guess which one Google favors, too < 1401507361 186474 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I got drunk with Eich the day Google announced Dart; that was funny :p < 1401507364 16674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401507364 607999 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything important use nacl yet? < 1401507378 332539 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: lots of googly stuff does < 1401507415 213757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a list of Google web properties allowed to use NaCl hardcoded into chrome < 1401507419 148481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\rainbow{vertical integration} < 1401507431 658336 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1401507503 555155 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: rust needs emscripten support :p < 1401507517 939908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my problem < 1401507530 769499 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but running servo inside firefox :-o < 1401507537 932143 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1401507562 180605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 indeed < 1401507585 707801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use WebGL for compositing, and native for rendering < 1401507598 595566 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing I've implemented on nacl was some sound support stuff < 1401507605 233006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually wondering about implementations of CSS / web layout in JS the other day < 1401507609 943432 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507613 331956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of some discussion of whether JIT would help you < 1401507617 931637 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally that's an area where html5 is broken but the nacl stuff isn't < 1401507626 560252 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sound) < 1401507627 79242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blink already has a JIT for CSS selector matching, but I mean for layout < 1401507642 816950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile the flow tree to native code so you can redo layout extra fast when parts of it change < 1401507648 662710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it makes any sense, but it sounds pretty cool! < 1401507684 32473 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha, JIT all the webs! < 1401507705 466795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401507718 760930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcwalton also wants to store our CSS selectors as *only* machine code and decompile them to implement CSSOM < 1401507721 728294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned that here < 1401507791 32599 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, sound is the kind of stuff that only really work well in compiled languages tbh < 1401507817 683527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but JS running in a modern JS engine is compiled < 1401507833 879693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have unboxed arrays even < 1401507840 99227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it's not realtime, though < 1401507843 327415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither are a lot of "compiled languages" < 1401507848 8590 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a problem of < 1401507859 15463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really every implementation out there is somewhere on a spectrum between interpreted and compiled < 1401507867 940293 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the garbage collector runs, is that going to take more than 10ms? < 1401507873 715566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1401507880 743195 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me, firefox has https://twitter.com/alex_gibson/status/467280491260166146/photo/1 now apparently < 1401507884 322436 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sound is like 100% always threaded < 1401507885 639311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is also a problem in Haskell and OCaml, which are typically native compiled < 1401507897 510947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahead-of-time even < 1401507906 147075 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :way-ahead-of-time compilation < 1401507919 909605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that there aren't more mainstream high level languages which are generally AOT native-compiled < 1401507949 513506 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah I was talking with pcwalton about that, I think decompiling sounds silly though < 1401507958 652609 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/68190/coots97.pdf > 1401507969 252739 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507970 200323 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507970 256116 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric > 1401507973 353327 JOIN :#esoteric > 1401507973 862845 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507974 534443 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401507988 868254 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even java is kinda dubious for sound applications < 1401508116 358744 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual equation is "no garbage collector" => "only languages with explicit deallocation" => "C++ only" < 1401508136 781148 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear types? < 1401508157 118993 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1401508178 102159 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a type system that tracks resources. each resource must be consumed only once, etc.. < 1401508179 914680 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some nerd shit < 1401508191 786403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Rust's approach yeah < 1401508193 670233 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substructural_type_system < 1401508220 634822 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is affine or linear < 1401508220 752716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deallocation is sort of explicit in that it's deterministic, but it's done in a statically memory safe way < 1401508230 769297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like C++11 move semantics except actually fully checked at compile time < 1401508258 443930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have let x = ...; f(x) and x is not something implicitly copyable like a primitive numeric type, it will forbid you from using x after that function call < 1401508265 980034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've transferred ownership of it < 1401508294 863732 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried that kinda stuff < 1401508307 592222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for sending things between threads < 1401508336 811539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have datastructures shared between threads, but you have to write them in the unsafe dialect of the language, and then assert that they're safe to share < 1401508373 145659 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1401508385 232475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: the other major unique thing in Rust is references / "borrowed pointers" with lifetime checking < 1401508402 161929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can write f(&x) and not transfer ownership into f, but if f tries to stash that pointer away somewhere the compiler will complain < 1401508427 874354 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1401508436 467381 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can peek at my x, but ITS MINE!@#" < 1401508445 465736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1401508459 356366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have any number of immutable borrowings of a value, or exactly one mutable borring < 1401508462 315732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's statically checked too < 1401508467 163490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prevents iterator invalidation and related issues < 1401508474 165244 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that kindof stuff lets the compiler do real anti aliasing, then eventually it might become faster than C++ and then rust will see much more adoption < 1401508489 226264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401508496 86516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the hope < 1401508509 100061 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kindof dependent on cpu architectures tho < 1401508524 644402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think approximately as fast as C++, with no segfaults or use-after-free vulnerabilities is also a pretty compelling value proposition < 1401508572 811313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's not as fast, you can do whatever you'd do in C or C++ within the unsafe dialect < 1401508576 189968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or link to actual C < 1401508590 492180 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah zero overhead to call C is pretty compelling < 1401508628 33354 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more ffi support for c++ would be nice though < 1401508630 151415 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell i'm not cut out for mathematics because i'm still staring at something oerjan said five hours ago < 1401508630 622146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401508634 397238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a pit of snakes though < 1401508653 787124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean first class C++ support would include things like using C++ RAII smart pointers from Rust < 1401508656 851517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Hard < 1401508658 194535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would be really cool < 1401508661 479720 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C FFI is pretty reasonable. I mean, C ain't the nicest around, but it's at least fairly limited. < 1401508662 482289 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got the original sin (everything is pointers) < 1401508676 564583 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is A Lot Of Stuff. < 1401508677 88620 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teh c++ people are talking about standardizing on an aBI < 1401508678 458944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hm? C++ is one of the few languages where objects *aren't* all pointers < 1401508679 981378 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is at least a start < 1401508683 140514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: lol < 1401508701 534520 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: true but arrays sortof are < 1401508706 274222 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except std::vector < 1401508707 682600 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:54] < Bike> you can tell i'm not cut out for mathematics because i'm still staring at something oerjan said five hours ago < 1401508710 519148 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for strings < 1401508713 713714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1401508716 638311 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrendous < 1401508719 993693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1401508720 96458 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt the ability to stare at somethign for 5hrs pretty much the main requirement? < 1401508731 551841 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a necessary but not sufficient condition < 1401508734 383928 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.f. video games < 1401508743 596055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Rust there are slices, which are a pointer + length into a string or array owned by someone else < 1401508753 60262 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default object for more than one of anything is just an offset with no real size < 1401508753 632141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fixed-size arrays, which are passed by value (unless you take a reference type of them, of course) < 1401508765 250265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heap-allocated growable Vec < 1401508765 821659 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do fortran-style submatrices < 1401508766 160757 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can tell i'm not cut out for mathematics because i stared at something oerjan said 5hrs ago and gave up after 30seconds" is prob a more realistic statement < 1401508782 247929 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... so Elixir has consistent distinction between 'size' and 'length'... but it would still take time getting used to Elixir to keep it in mind < 1401508793 594823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(size for O(1) length for needing computation) < 1401508812 578979 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/needing computation/slower than O(1)/ < 1401508827 737985 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(2) < 1401508829 947850 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the function should be named size if the operation is in constant time (i.e. the value is pre-calculated) or length if the operation requires explicit counting." < 1401508836 752481 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(2)=O(1) < 1401508837 5316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: multidimensionally? i haven't seen that, but it should be implementable < 1401508843 962913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that i.e. is silly < 1401508852 812516 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(0) < 1401508855 619777 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that that is is silly < 1401508856 462470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to use Csound for sound related stuff in computer < 1401508859 387538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(ꙮ) < 1401508874 315593 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O(question mark in a box) :-( < 1401508879 454856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401508880 390996 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah you store stride and stuff < 1401508885 512628 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ < 1401508886 1572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1401508893 473148 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heck is a multiocular < 1401508897 263332 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-eye < 1401508904 154228 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can even do ones with less locality, like make a vector out of a diagonal or some shit < 1401508905 826196 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutlioculus rift < 1401508923 126177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you use Csound for audio programming? < 1401508935 871269 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, but you'r eon fire < 1401508949 114412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O < 1401508956 835663 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah weird < 1401508964 342809 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, getting a bit harder to remember: and/or/not take booleans only, &&/||/! use truthiness < 1401508969 801624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 15th century scribal doodle that made it into the Universal Character Set < 1401508994 853509 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistent but hard to remember patterns < 1401508998 352517 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still better than PHP < 1401509008 46944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares that he has just eaten pizza, then stares at Sgeo while intoning "best before march 24" < 1401509021 23829 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : not really < 1401509037 182523 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1401509047 469406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Why not really? < 1401509056 772294 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell me why volterra series were explained to me as "taylor series, but with time dependence" instead of "taylor series, but on functionals" < 1401509066 10886 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I say something weird on March 24th? < 1401509068 986609 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut the fuck up about 'memory' assholes < 1401509171 622598 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : I'm not well versed in how csound integrates with other stuff so I'm not sure how to answer < 1401509178 375692 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds like a bad plan < 1401509179 460538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1401509233 622580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I find Csound is good for synthesizing audio and writing music, at least. It does work with Open Sound Control, MIDI, Wii remotes, and extension libraries can be written in C. < 1401509239 557957 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "is it still well behaved once you have to compile it into a dll for use in a multithread environment along with a gui" < 1401509257 471853 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in a way that's not going to take more code/effort than just doing everything in C++ as usual" < 1401509276 167337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: There are GUI programs for Csound, although I have not used them so I don't know. Some of these GUI programs are even written in Java < 1401509300 795149 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puredata!! < 1401509342 130479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not particularly like the standard score format in Csound for the purpose of writing music, so I wrote a MML compiler targeting Csound, to make it easier to write music. < 1401509350 606105 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :osc I haven't been impressed with yet < 1401509362 946471 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got a nice type specification etc system < 1401509385 636597 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody has put on his pants and specified a real standard for note and controller data < 1401509395 778139 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like 75% of the feature set of MIDI < 1401509404 39726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can tell i'm not cut out for mathematics because i'm still staring at something oerjan said five hours ago <-- hm? < 1401509459 474740 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can listen for CC1 because you know the user's m-audio midi controller has a mod wheel and that unless the user has reprogrammed it for whatever reason, it sends CC1" < 1401509472 569804 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401509598 941898 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my criticism of those systems is that they're typically not correctly set up for writing music < 1401509642 89849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used those kind of MIDI devices for writing music, so I don't know < 1401509674 926318 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing music requires a good piano roll editor < 1401509684 368217 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAWs are basically the only programs that have that < 1401509691 236476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't prefer to write music "live" anyways (although I know people who do) < 1401509699 895935 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAWs can load up VST plugin synthesizer plugins < 1401509710 73460 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :result: everybody uses DAW with VST plugins < 1401509714 725502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why you need a piano roll editor though. It can be one way, or you can use MML; I prefer to use MML. < 1401509723 652740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like VST; I prefer to use Csound. < 1401509727 305853 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never gotten into MML < 1401509740 313877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I use MML for the score and Csound for the instruments. < 1401509762 798951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I have found this works better for me than using piano roll editors/VST < 1401509776 651977 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people that write lots of music use piano roll like >99% of the time < 1401509811 123199 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a 64track tape? < 1401509834 117744 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham : that involves live musicians < 1401509838 7680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Did I say something weird on March 24th? <-- no. *sigh* i'm being too subtle again... you're just worrying about the health of food all the time so i was joking about the fact i ate a pizza that was > 2 months overdue hth < 1401509840 894863 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess making them parts < 1401509845 669412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can use piano roll if you prefer; different people use different ways. Some people like to write on music notation paper. < 1401509853 620622 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is notation, rather than piano roll < 1401509860 636322 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just poke actual holes in an actual piano roll < 1401509905 919285 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, making nice music notation is hard < 1401509913 251284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know someone who only writes music live, never writing it down. < 1401509961 316202 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll never catch on. < 1401509975 440534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He then connects the audio output port of a digital piano to a computer to record it onto a CD. < 1401509983 519866 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next thing you'll have people having impromptu discussions without rehersing < 1401510006 362108 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarchy < 1401510012 692730 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : afaik that's how you're supposed to use piano rolls anyways < 1401510023 333106 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :record live, use piano roll to fix mistakes < 1401510048 731413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I myself don't like writing music live, DAW, piano roll, VST, tracker music, and that stuff. < 1401510087 534778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Actually I think piano roll notation is the kind of thing he wanted to use for this purpose, although he didn't. It would be possible, since this digital piano does have a MIDI output port too. < 1401510089 64244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :record drunk, piano roll sober < 1401510089 841262 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would richard james do? < 1401510093 90143 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the lambda calculus thing. < 1401510114 613568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: cocaine's a hell of a drug < 1401510117 18695 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I'm Ben < 1401510137 592059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ben < 1401510147 416976 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not rick james < 1401510152 102778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: close enough? < 1401510167 458054 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_James_(musician) < 1401510189 620549 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i meant this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphex_Twin < 1401510189 827327 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now listening to Die Fantastischen Vier -- Krieger (Aphex Twin Baldhu Mix) < 1401510279 933479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: DMT's a hell of a drug < 1401510286 298115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like VST; it requires a GUI, isn't an open standard, and seems for writing live music (which isn't what I do). Perhaps VST is OK for live music writers who don't care if it is usable in anything other than Windows, I suppose. < 1401510293 838334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok let me detail it a bit: you write an interpreter for TM's in lambda calculus which works fairly normally, except that (1) it keeps a count of steps such that it never repeats as long as the TM is running (2) if the TM _halts_, instead of halting itself it just restarts from the beginning, resetting the count. then whether that LC interpreter loops <=> whether the TM halts. < 1401510293 955651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMT's a hell of a drukq? < 1401510304 67449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TMs < 1401510312 40785 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1401510313 752230 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you. < 1401510338 466977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do effects and instrument sound and so on writing music, I found Csound works much better than anything else I have used. < 1401510348 346781 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, i'm listening to drukqs right now < 1401510351 295814 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's a bit disappointing, but not unexpected < 1401510358 573941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you do like to use Csound and VST, you can do it, in both directions! < 1401510380 890773 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my next trick, i shall disprove hilbert's 16th < 1401510392 321046 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, say something about it here and wait for oerjan to prove it for me < 1401510402 360862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Hilbert's sixteenth? < 1401510436 389005 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_sixteenth_problem < 1401510848 434409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need to work more on your tricks < 1401511099 724210 :Zerker!~zerker@c-98-210-153-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401511179 948913 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-128-233.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401511585 584456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to use SQL for editing music which is already compiled (into a .MOD, .S3M, .MID, etc)? < 1401511698 375334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For working with audio files, SoX works OK (although I think something combining ImageMagick with SoX, allowing the same effects using with sounds and pictures, would be much better), although for working with editing and conversion of music compiled into MOD/S3M/IT/XM/MID files, that a SQL-based system would work best. < 1401511748 184292 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401511770 696377 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401511783 384662 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401511805 145386 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does sox do that you wouldn't normally do in audacity/soundforge/etc? < 1401511890 46452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command-line functioning < 1401511919 418458 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sox is quite nice for scripting. < 1401511956 356639 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, it was pretty nice when converting my inexplicable 88.2 kHz 24-bit copy of Distant Worlds 2 here. < 1401511960 938914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Audacity and those things, but I find SoX much better to work with, at least. < 1401511962 793600 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHY WOULD YOU DISTRIBUTE THAT) < 1401511982 536468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it isn't for scripting. < 1401512001 265891 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : that takes about 10 seconds to do in audacity < 1401512017 350403 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it took about that long in sox. < 1401512024 473694 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :valuable seconds i could have spent jamming! < 1401512032 397251 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sox is the imagemagick of audio. < 1401512038 899042 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is both its strength and its weakness. < 1401512124 394970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also find ImageMagick good for pictures, though. However, sometimes I find I want to use some of ImageMagick effects on audio too, and SoX doesn't do that, so I will use SoX to convert to raw, ImageMagick then loads and saves it as a single-row pictures and then use SoX to convert back to other format. It wouldn't be quite best way, but it can work. < 1401512163 994285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program with both kind of feature, I think is going to work better. < 1401512271 861188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a program for using ImageMagick and METAFONT together, so that it can be used to make up new drawings in a reasonable way, too. < 1401512298 744034 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any programming languages based on mirc script < 1401512335 519494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: I don't know of any other than mirc script itself (and I don't know how mirc script works either) < 1401512379 181467 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make a good base for an esolang < 1401512390 193003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try to make such a thing if you like to do so < 1401512402 973239 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me, i'm just a poor farm girl < 1401512434 502697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me, I don't use mirc script < 1401512674 625430 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1401512781 64654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I did make esolang based on the classical sequent calculus, where the two negation rules correspond to creating and consuming continuations. < 1401512802 717189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has first class continuations, but doesn't have any first class functions. < 1401513094 241718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone can write esolang based on astronomy and/or astrology, too. < 1401513233 800416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a esolang where instruction sets are frequency-modulated? < 1401513289 513095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: does myndzi count \o| \o/ |o/ < 1401513289 590687 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                         |   |   | < 1401513289 651257 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                        /´\ /^\ /< < 1401513497 279439 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : considering FM is essentially table lookup, probably < 1401513517 634263 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided that you find some way to express the infitely large tape < 1401513736 954069 :Zerker!~zerker@c-98-210-153-50.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1401514068 357933 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401514158 750735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Dungeons&Dragons I played today, I was paying a shopkeeper to fix a bag, but then a dwarf came in, and said that the shopkeeper was about to accidentally poke his finger, which he did, and then said "duck!" and stole one of the tools on the wall and left. The shopkeeper then died (he was killed by a crossbow bolt), so I used his tools to fix the bag myself and took back the coins I gave to him. < 1401514392 229448 :Zyprexa!~qwe@179.186.158.62.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br QUIT : < 1401514786 969268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may need to fabricate a duplicate of this situation (but fake, using illusions and invisible walls) in another town. < 1401514816 663305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisible walls! < 1401514819 197890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the duplicate for? < 1401514842 406954 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never played D&D but should < 1401514846 669403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to trap the crossbowmen, which are probably all over the place. < 1401514876 410913 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you fix the bag while being shot at < 1401514922 982162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, I was hiding underneath the counter. The counter was on the separation between the inside and outside of the shop; normally the customer stand on the outside and the shopkeeper stands inside. < 1401515030 279810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The walls are so that neither the shopkeeper doesn't get killed; the illusions will duck and so on just the same. < 1401515067 712911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin: I tried to play D&D exactly once and then there was a tornado (in real life, not in the game) < 1401515089 123277 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's a sign. < 1401515091 918755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tool that the dwarf stole was not needed to fix this bag, so that was not a problem. < 1401515162 499278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1401515184 90794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many crossbowmen do you think there are < 1401515192 766690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a sign with "DO NOT READ THIS SIGN" written on it, almost. < 1401515270 985035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know, but probably there are many all over the place, they were near the docks, on both ends of the river, and in between, and even on the way to this river from a larger boat, and in this North River Village, so probably there would be some in South River Village too. < 1401515272 507568 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to take a look at the biomedical program i'll be working on. HOW EXCITING all the globals will be < 1401515383 415630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go into anthropology instead, then you can meet exciting locals < 1401515395 680648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot singles in your area? < 1401515415 352883 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot singles in an area < 1401515442 530495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i prefer to date people who are already in relationships < 1401515462 630971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played d&d in third grade in hebrew < 1401515463 718483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1401515474 268777 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Representation of the vowel /eh/ in normal and impaired auditory nerve fibers: Model predictions of responses in cats" i feel like fizzie < 1401515514 151951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you play this in person with people or over the internet < 1401515519 703325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the descriptions are v. detailed < 1401515522 810181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In person. < 1401515571 304363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do not use a game board or anything like that; just paper, pencil, books, dice, and thinking. < 1401515612 732165 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a standard license that's "open source, but if you use this and publish something about it, cite so and so"? < 1401515630 701013 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«#include /* Added for MS Visual C++ compatability, by Ian Bruce, 1999 */» get hype < 1401515665 804192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think there may be something like that, but I don't know. < 1401515681 746117 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowwwww i didn't even know you could declare functions within a function < 1401515684 637950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought you meant citing it in a bibliography or something like that. < 1401515685 237716 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning so much!! < 1401515692 646444 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant. < 1401515711 74762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1401515721 786780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is something like that. < 1401515730 596044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you want to know of it? < 1401515761 340792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know the proper way to cite non-literate computer programs in a bibliography, though. < 1401515799 379418 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because this code says "if you use this, please cite x paper" in a comment. < 1401515803 546963 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want the paper cited, not the code. < 1401515824 165207 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* COMPLEX.HPP header file * use for complex arithmetic in C < 1401515830 78796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so the code is separate from the paper. < 1401515856 858212 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. code in a paper doesn't happen much outside CS. < 1401515882 943045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case you could easily cite the paper, but where and how? < 1401515909 951880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a literate program you can cite it in the bibliography, but in other case I don't know how? < 1401515952 501329 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are yourself writing a paper. < 1401515972 564083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you are yourself writing a paper, it works. < 1401515981 762882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do they mean by "if you use this" in this case? < 1401515997 756501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using it doesn't seems to necessarily imply that you are writing a paper? < 1401516051 204527 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, w hat it actually says is "Please cite these papers if you publish any research results obtained with this code or any modified versions of this code." < 1401516084 550650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what it says. That works then. < 1401516101 70149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is that even a license? < 1401516155 603430 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's an informal request. Which is why I was curious as to whether there was a formal license. In service of this curiosity, I asked several minutes ago whether there was such a license, and then this conversation happened, culminating for the moment in this message you are reading. < 1401516235 263812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know of such a thing, although such an informal request will work. If it is included in a comment in the source file, probably people who do modify it, will keep it there (especially since it says "or any modified versions of this code"). < 1401516446 504999 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct __COMPLEX { double x,y; }; typedef struct __COMPLEX COMPLEX; < 1401516448 561886 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :legal y/n < 1401516487 59570 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n probably but i'm bitter < 1401516520 147187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no because __COMPLEX isn't a name you're allowed to use < 1401516527 594613 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1401516554 157773 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just start cold emailing people to tell them they're out of conformity and should feel bad < 1401516564 133069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: unless you are the implementation < 1401516611 91504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: probably the most silly common identifier-related nonconformance is naming a type *_t under posix < 1401516628 188300 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm just confused by this one though < 1401516649 463478 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just defining a simple complex type (which is redundant in C99 but whatever), and the name __COMPLEX isn't actually used outside of the typedef < 1401516653 505554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't C99 have efb < 1401516670 663015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is someone else's code < 1401516684 113063 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think so little of me < 1401516685 210951 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxhjsgcikcqgejvw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1401516689 893677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: presumably it's to stop people saying struct __COMPLEX because it's an implementation detail or whatever < 1401516702 272081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try to write typedef struct { double x,y; } COMPLEX; does it work OK? < 1401516721 244566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people always do the typedef separately. one reason to do that is uniformity: if you have a cycle in struct inclusions, then you cannot just use "typedef struct { ... } name;". < 1401516730 186898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sometimes you must name structs. < 1401516730 301403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might not work if you need forward references, though) < 1401516739 270860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, forward refs in general. < 1401516765 310391 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just replace the code with _Complex and see how it goes < 1401516832 664694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: #include and you can say "double complex" etc. < 1401516856 724958 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, _Complex is the C99 type isn't it < 1401516865 778375 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, i see. < 1401516867 50941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: C99 can't define complex outright because it'd clash with existing stuff < 1401516867 287496 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok whatever. < 1401516871 807189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they define _Complex and #define it in the header < 1401516879 203824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same situation with stdbool < 1401516904 550417 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this entire program is written in C, but you're supposed to use it as a matlab program. i don't get this field < 1401517092 985875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct { double re; double im; } zomplex; hth < 1401517119 257310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's from the SGI FFT library on IRIX.) < 1401517212 360056 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should rewrite this in rust. i bet i could squeeze it into a one line macro invocation < 1401517222 962931 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho'ws rust's matlab ffi capabilities, < 1401517335 538831 :password2!~password@197.78.169.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401517392 688095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140531-cat_wagon.jpg <- from Kyoto < 1401517467 78237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140531-boss.jpg < 1401517476 214552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1401517478 929003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you believe me < 1401517517 505423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were just being silly at first, but then I saw it. < 1401517573 386962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see the fnords < 1401517650 378426 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401517672 462231 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1401517676 934479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you? < 1401517677 179597 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it seems to be latin1 last i checked < 1401517691 136127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb fungot < 1401517691 403033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and i modified code affecting the initial image, right?) < 1401517729 254872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably explains the absence. < 1401517822 455491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would < 1401517827 792215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does befunge support self-modifying code? < 1401517865 729990 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab has static (in the internal-to-function sense) variables, huh < 1401517888 578336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, though the fungot code doesn't use very much of that. The ^reload command possibly counts. < 1401517888 810051 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which is? tuples?!" readings. it's much easier < 1401518029 662722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, my half-finished (at most) static AOT Funge-98 compiler was enough to run fungot, sans support for ^reload, IIRC. < 1401518029 818282 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and is an indy much faster than we do today ( eg. i eat steak. < 1401518045 64917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You can't eat steak, you're a program. < 1401518045 186831 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no it didn't. not even by riastradh! < 1401518315 305129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo you should see _Rosencrantz and Guildestern Are Dead_ < 1401518495 455545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1401518530 734135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a play that was also conveniently turned made into a movie < 1401518556 341895 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload < 1401518585 735317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: It's an owner-only command, sorry. :/ < 1401518596 813421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it but it'd probably break, it's not used much. < 1401518598 608207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload < 1401518598 705287 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1401518606 98159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Still there? < 1401518606 308903 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'd call them smug." jesse fnord' < 1401518610 502602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1401518616 286896 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1401518625 94243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much to see, really. < 1401518652 226933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right side of lines 1-2 of https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1401518718 928591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's up top so that if the layout of the rest of the code changes, it hopefully won't move around.) < 1401518809 416938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and also because it needs to blank the old code before loading the new one ('i' does not overwrite cells where the input file has spaces, IIRC) so it must be more or less out of the way. < 1401520647 773811 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: shutdown < 1401520709 861829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 53 < 1401520710 298462 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 53: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1401520715 718789 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PART :#esoteric < 1401521107 330851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I made a diagram, consisting of four concentric circles. The innermost circle is labeled "Universe". Around that one is a circle labeled "Multiverse". Around that is a circle labeled "Mathematics". Around that is the outermost, labeled "GOD". < 1401521133 483709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the label in the space outside the outermost circle < 1401521178 286579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The space outside of the outermost circle isn't part of the diagram, but if it were it would also have to be "GOD". Such a diagram is impossible draw, however. < 1401521414 398964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gap Outside Diagram < 1401521439 996343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems possible as written here, but that is because it is too difficult (perhaps impossible) to expression the proper way, so this is the best approximation I can have.) < 1401521733 85202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is good that you try to ask such question, but, such question wouldn't be sensible any more than trying to figure out the position of omega in the English alphabet, or the page number of the shelf that stores the books. < 1401524096 335615 :greg79!~greg@214.101.222.213.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401524131 137002 :greg79!~greg@214.101.222.213.rev.sfr.net PART :#esoteric < 1401525705 460947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401526690 533500 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401527495 995944 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making corruption art is fun :) < 1401527509 329823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/zOSp2gp.jpg (made by blanking random bytes) < 1401527530 677591 :password2!~password@197.78.169.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401527543 229024 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401527664 240267 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.reddit.com/r/glitch_art/top/ is people into that kind of stuff, if you want some upboats for your pictures :p < 1401527744 399592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcpherrin, I'd rather get it really good first < 1401527749 853162 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, you know, not Nigel Farage < 1401527878 860315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what better image to use for corruption art < 1401527948 596232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't think Nigel Farage is actually corrupt. Just, you know, hideously wrong on most political issues. < 1401528125 545489 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, other than bit-flipping and byte-blanking, what other effects are easy to produce> < 1401528157 373560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert some string? < 1401528167 104614 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401528228 330444 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG compression does fun things too < 1401528461 903915 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can you elaborate on that? < 1401528520 302568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically set some arbitrary bytes to constants? < 1401528583 395801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprinkle nigel with "666"s, that sort of thing. < 1401529214 606653 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/FreeFull/6059a9be7500a2d6f6c5/c194838b6ad50f65aa02831e2f745bf56046383b Suggestions on improving this quine? < 1401529227 335887 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than removing whitespace, which is trivial < 1401529272 89322 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust? < 1401529287 221776 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's obviously Rust < 1401529305 724719 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any other language with print!() < 1401529324 575036 :Gracenotes_!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401529352 929768 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let (!) = ($) in print!() < 1401529354 414052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO () < 1401529368 778378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating =P < 1401529381 735139 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1401529405 686596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't have the same behaviour =P < 1401529429 926281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (!) = ($) in print!("{}","Meow") < 1401529431 879246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1401529442 597731 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, damn, forgot lambdabot doesn't do IO =P < 1401529455 888708 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401529456 204677 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401529468 729866 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1401529469 342969 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the behaviour is horribly different < 1401529496 588431 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = let (!) = ($) in print!("{}","Meow") < 1401529507 850015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1401529508 69726 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1401529508 484668 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​("{}","Meow") < 1401529524 602456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's horribly different < 1401529589 186134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1401530196 296364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjoh, you just went < 1401530207 266851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, then. < 1401530331 616242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any ideas for making glitches? < 1401530366 274307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer ones that could conceivably occur on actual crappy lines. < 1401530986 736471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to make errors not detectable by typical ECCs, perhaps? Nobody'll notice, but you'll know. < 1401531087 372546 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, you could get a crappy line! :p < 1401531151 981188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove most significant bit, that happens every now and then. < 1401531161 986100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or set it according to the parity of the other seven bits. < 1401531168 238918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not so often these days. < 1401531187 10496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Remove" == clear, in this case.) < 1401531216 165616 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/VUtCm10.jpg < 1401531222 510006 :mcpherrin!~mcpherrin@c-50-185-88-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had this legit glitch out on me :p < 1401531587 513643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401532284 266644 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, my coffee is done < 1401533573 565406 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401534007 579188 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401534280 375997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39730&oldid=39726 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+133) 10/* Interpreter List */ < 1401534515 460325 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401534701 365163 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401535051 240174 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401535138 379859 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401536243 191818 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401536776 635112 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401537515 577766 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1401537858 582441 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401538078 561358 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401538228 864544 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1401538259 254887 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401539012 714565 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1401539305 936282 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1401539355 589362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401539367 522581 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1401539390 146608 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401539425 959864 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1401539507 532478 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1401540948 271933 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401541445 524203 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401541650 60404 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401541716 402552 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401541774 333761 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the first tournament results are in https://twitter.com/xcorewar/status/472725852976062464 < 1401541900 25183 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401542035 849675 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaah... sweeeeet druuuugs... < 1401542061 440847 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1401542061 563644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 11h 36m 5s ago: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cruchon hth < 1401542137 463590 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite right. a cruchon here is something that can be as small as a Mason jar, or as big as those fatso pickle jars. < 1401542167 848774 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm. I guess I just answered my own question here. qc:cruchon → en:"glass jar".) < 1401542194 86874 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan here cruchon is a glass jar. < 1401542194 505656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1401542253 109764 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_, are you entering? < 1401542339 630832 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401542545 327756 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401542843 165422 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401542934 196800 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401543976 766995 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401544118 442980 :impomatic_!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1401544652 467048 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401544841 662515 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401544922 523156 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1401545295 597177 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401546319 814086 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401546475 226685 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401548539 816320 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401548697 551655 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401549542 549252 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1401549673 560575 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1401549713 571204 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401550652 544343 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1401550705 443514 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401550813 274210 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401550976 390624 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401551279 478372 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401551584 250871 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f9f2:31d2:87b3:223d JOIN :#esoteric < 1401551620 590300 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401551915 550342 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host86-132-106-71.range86-132.btcentralplus.com PART :#esoteric < 1401553315 224685 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:f9f2:31d2:87b3:223d QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401553719 429773 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401553731 518574 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-6.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1401553764 378715 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-6.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1401553764 699074 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401553831 412982 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401556155 602869 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1401556282 549437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39731&oldid=39704 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+118) 10/* Interpreters */ < 1401556367 254138 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:655b:8e3c:1ed7:d426 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401556864 419097 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401556958 978270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401557237 419464 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401557255 778301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[075command14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39732&oldid=39731 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+97) 10Add source < 1401557891 183761 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm writing an esoteric data structure help < 1401557900 585351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of a heap and a binary search tree simultaneously < 1401557923 632814 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a... binary heap, or... < 1401557938 635917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's heap sorted on one key and tree sorted on another key < 1401558008 613396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds sort of useful < 1401558008 904692 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a keyed treap? < 1401558029 160541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1401558061 430973 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, when the two keys correlate it degenerates into a linked list! :) < 1401558068 278649 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to worm something named "KeyedTreap" in our codebase at work and have it pass code review :P < 1401558120 639165 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: xor linked list, please < 1401558504 68498 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so my high-level language rewrite of thousands of lines of assembly code was easy to write but came out buggy ... unfortunately debugging it doesn't seem any easier < 1401558543 150872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite it < 1401558619 253564 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:4500:887:655b:8e3c:1ed7:d426 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1401558639 859050 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, once you get to debugging something you have already lost, the only recourse is to write it correctly < 1401558910 572220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/104902 < 1401559006 244449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I am off < 1401559037 580177 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not tested this at all, btw < 1401559303 185149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401560216 166621 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2014/05/fantastic-fungi-steve-axford/ < 1401560225 910706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewige einhornkraft < 1401560252 328508 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right purty it is < 1401561089 254509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401561597 607358 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@174-25-63-212.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401561717 595677 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401562177 164944 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401562485 960573 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \f, a => (x ** (f x, x -> a)) < 1401562486 474681 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:14:When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Ex_intro: < 1401562486 773683 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable x < 1401562504 388226 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \f, a => (x : _ ** (f x, x -> a)) < 1401562504 612755 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:23:When elaborating argument 13x to constructor 04Ex_intro: < 1401562504 660167 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable x < 1401562548 824445 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1401562567 438580 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \f, a => the Type (x ** (f x, x -> a)) < 1401562567 556670 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13f => \13a => 09the 12Type 12(13x 12** 12(13f 13x12, 13x -> 13a12)12) : (12Type -> 12Type) -> 12Type -> 12Type < 1401562570 860482 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Photo from the CW tournament http://codu.org/logs/log/_corewars/2014-05-31 < 1401562595 728882 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< boily> the flowers are very small, about ¼” Ø. – Also that should be ¼″ < 1401562596 765560 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait... Photo from the CW tournament https://twitter.com/john_metcalf/status/472810336501133314 :-) < 1401562620 46820 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-175-242.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< mcpherrin> kmc: O(question mark in a box) :-( – ⍰ < 1401562627 58153 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic__, who was green and who was red? < 1401563143 328194 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: evolved program green, hand coded program red. The hand coded program won! :-) +1 for humanity. < 1401563391 700542 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 for evolved writer over writing evolver < 1401563410 19824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a small quadcopter now! < 1401563428 675155 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for burrito delivery, i hope < 1401563449 770644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be expected that evolving would be very slow (but not completely impossible) compared to doing it directly. < 1401563796 805902 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for small coresizes (like 80, 800) it's possible to evolve something competitive overnight. < 1401563848 712395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes if it is small I would think it can work faster < 1401563857 171742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing with most algorithms really < 1401564524 287701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: too small < 1401564557 663752 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small for burritos? what is this < 1401564681 847256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1401564683 458708 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401564693 844616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to not fly it up my skirt :X < 1401564719 986975 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see how that would be tempting < 1401564814 707276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ykinmk < 1401564871 675801 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i nonchalantly mince krababbles < 1401564952 866103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1401564959 256759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1401564992 197389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend brought his much larger quadcopter over < 1401565003 974615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says you're supposed to charge the battery within a special fireproof sack < 1401565006 298512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he lost the sack < 1401565006 923647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1401565032 542970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're off to the north bay to fly said quadcopter and take photos for a wedding invite < 1401565059 294228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much larger compared to what? < 1401565168 840096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess larger than said friend. < 1401565277 546435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1401565285 466822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :larger compared to my little one that can't even carry a burrito < 1401565302 436224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bigger quadcopter has already injured an intern < 1401565304 951502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tasted human blood < 1401565345 768888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our days as the dominant species are probably soon over. < 1401565403 177379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they learn how to reproduce yeah < 1401565438 851041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here the most boring video of a deer imaginable. < 1401565454 34035 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :difficult to believe < 1401565460 470344 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401565473 319528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nara_Park and it's just doing boring things. < 1401565491 671157 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm telling you, i have high standards < 1401565518 568981 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine as boring as imaginable is a lot less boring than possible < 1401565550 457227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a tourist chasing a deer who had stolen her map in nara < 1401565555 109905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty fucking funny < 1401565565 296256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you going anywhere else besides kyoto and nara? < 1401565568 144979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably not the video fizzie's watching < 1401565584 390157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're actually home already, but we only did a day trip to Tokyo. < 1401565594 422355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In addition to those two places.) < 1401565599 928203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1401565602 126698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome home < 1401565603 83230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a very efficient vacation.) < 1401565605 394740 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, re quadcopters, did you know that claude shannon once said "I visualize a time when we will be to robots what dogs are to humans. And I am rooting for the machines." < 1401565610 735412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1401565613 368447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he actually say that < 1401565664 305974 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikiquote, at least < 1401565775 440077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140531-nara.jpg no mention about map-stealing < 1401565821 408986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deer used Knock down! It's super effective!! < 1401565825 379411 :drdanmaku!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ysqhgovxnlsnbhhu JOIN :#esoteric < 1401565832 433 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1401565836 626176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also note that the "attack people, so please be careful" part is a sticker. One wonders what was under it. < 1401566117 123657 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: why? I like «”». < 1401566196 991048 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ″ < 1401566207 942337 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1401566415 861611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Board of Equalization is such an Orwellian name for a state government body < 1401566438 58508 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which government is it from? < 1401566456 471545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401566506 347507 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/BAYESIAN-BODYBUILDING-v5.png < 1401566511 904115 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ″ < 1401566513 150071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2033 DOUBLE PRIME] < 1401566779 80725 :hambubger!~moth-trog@cpe-98-144-32-128.wi.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401567768 460565 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1401568031 684062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a multiplayer pinball game without enough delay before next player, then it is possible any spinner which is spinning, will continue spinning on the next player's turn. < 1401568390 711270 :hambubger!~moth-trog@cpe-98-144-32-128.wi.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1401568519 643341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic__: well... at least i'm not last < 1401568531 789735 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401568768 686332 :impomatic__!~digital_w@host-231-197-68-109.arq1.ldn.uk.sharedband.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no it's not too bad :-) The next tournament will be in October so hopefully you'll be a bit higher... < 1401568971 667819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure one of my beginner's hill wariour would have scored better :) < 1401568979 879890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotAScanner doesn't even get on the beginner's hill < 1401569981 186109 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42986.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1401570072 542990 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-112-12-140.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1401570816 817220 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1401571056 531081 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1401571682 190352 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1401573045 55283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unless you make the pinball game have the spinners magically stop spinning < 1401573050 285933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not even sure what a spinner is) < 1401573476 720545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Microsoft seems to call them "flags" instead of "spinners" < 1401573522 418565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you use magnets to somehow stop them spinning? < 1401573578 108348 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Polynomial functions are a class of functions having many important properties. They are all continuous, smooth, entire, computable, etc.[citation needed]" < 1401573596 118474 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1401573624 579759 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i could find one source claiming all of those. another encyclopedia, maybe. < 1401573728 429626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you supposed to check overflow converting float->int in a C program? < 1401573771 359942 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1401573801 285998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare the float to (float)INT_MAX and (float)INT_MIN? < 1401573842 281240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1401573850 891558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which header files do I use? < 1401573882 39493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is best way checking arithmetic errors when doing calculation with floating points? < 1401573917 927325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Spleenmap14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39734&oldid=34648 5* 0368.203.11.82 5* (-1) 10make "it's" into the correct pronoun < 1401574082 377623 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401574189 519933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am using my own int max/min anyways < 1401574227 574920 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they really computable? what if your polynomial just: contains non-computable coefficients < 1401574253 922941 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i guess. < 1401574265 744749 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever dealt with a polynomial with transcendent coefficients. < 1401574519 768259 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have polynomials with computable roots but uncomputable coefficients. heh. < 1401574563 804532 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1401574869 47181 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1401575299 703889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as at least one of the roots is uncomputable ... < 1401575315 320462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1401575330 816434 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ax-a, bam < 1401575336 147569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1401575341 763971 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just ax < 1401575349 266422 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you're a COWARD < 1401575350 54996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want monic polynomials. Thanks. < 1401575375 425980 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm. < 1401575378 300850 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1401575399 8660 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x² + ax - a - 1 then. < 1401575426 282620 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't know what the other root is < 1401575431 875319 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do monopolynomials. I had a friend who went that way and now, he can't even. < 1401575465 96826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has roots -a-1 and 1, one of which is not computable. < 1401575484 997223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, never mind. < 1401575495 307727 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I clearly missed your point :) < 1401575516 480221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really have a point, i'm just saying silly things < 1401575531 918106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a shame there's no conjugate property like for irrationals and complexes, though < 1401575535 420116 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1401575535 468117 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1401575538 743398 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you don't have that for transcendents either... < 1401575565 434746 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's a greek prefix for something between mono- and poly-... < 1401575569 542870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difficulty in the opposite direction, too. the roots of x^2 - a, with computable a, may not be computable *real* numbers (namely, if it's undecidable whether a < 0). < 1401575626 874410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that difficulty disappears for complex numbers, as far as I can see. If you allow non-monic polynomials though, then ax - 1 = 0 has the same problem. < 1401575663 846632 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bi tri ... < 1401575678 6284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they're still entire. < 1401575680 930710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those not greek? I'm weak. < 1401575792 661425 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, not the brightest questions drift through my mind. < 1401575843 947828 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: bi- is latin, di- is greek. < 1401575845 135767 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :un- bi- tri- quad- is latin, mono- di- tri- tetr- is greek < 1401575861 897939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: thanks < 1401575934 144840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1401575954 763998 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, there is such a thing as “dodrant-”. < 1401576003 971824 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 3/4 aka dodrantary < 1401576087 366632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-food < 1401576087 552032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 9h 24m 53s ago: here cruchon is a glass jar. < 1401576168 543838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wikipedia. "A real number is computable if and only if the set of natural numbers it represents (when written in binary and viewed as a characteristic function) is computable." not. < 1401576392 770926 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not true? "it represents" is a bit rude but it still seems okay to me < 1401576397 210878 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the binary thing is also pointless < 1401576416 673867 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you need an ordering, i guess... < 1401576439 85146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the trouble is that sometimes you cannot decide whether the next digits should be 01111....1 or 10000....0. < 1401576721 176348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :Quintopia < 1401576806 5640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example given a Turing machine T, you can define a = 1 + (-1/2)^n if T halts in n steps, and a = 1 otherwise. That's a computable number but you'll have a hard time figuring out whether it's 1.000... or 0.111... < 1401576831 265543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some T.) < 1401576933 165132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's nevertheless true, as for those ambiguous real numbers _both_ representations are obviously computable. < 1401576963 803411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if T halts then there is no ambiguity at all. < 1401577031 676059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the thing is, being computable is a property of the real number, not of the TM used to define it. < 1401577081 831596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't _matter_ whether you cannot compute the digits from knowing only the TM < 1401577114 661420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only numbers where you cannot compute the digits are numbers which are also represented by halting machines. < 1401577133 29427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um, but 0.111... = 1? < 1401577149 798779 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1401577153 794156 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a boily i spy < 1401577183 251461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the point is that you cannot prove in finite time that it's exactly equal to 1, so you don't know that you're not forced to choose 0 or 1 at some point < 1401577204 513485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1401577234 407880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense, int-e is correct if you are thinking in constructive logic, but not if you are assuming excluded middle for the existence of the digit representations < 1401577303 797218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose in constructive logic you end up with not being able to prove that the constructive real number _has_ a digit representation. < 1401577304 873099 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :computability theory sounds like it's very easy to say wrong things about! < 1401577309 617280 :nooodl!~nooodl@36.123-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intriguing < 1401577318 353890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yeah < 1401577319 590285 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you that it's very easy to say wrong things in general < 1401577327 855050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what nonsense! < 1401577351 963660 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there you go < 1401577363 222556 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys guys < 1401577370 217471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how presumptuous < 1401577371 475561 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a solution < 1401577380 700071 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's define 2 = 1 < 1401577386 582927 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the mistery is solved! < 1401577394 631072 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb gonna get my nobel < 1401577404 143076 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for math? < 1401577407 606612 :M28!~M28@unaffiliated/m28 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1401577409 58356 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1401577410 541624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Subtle. Hmm. So the point is that you can give some advice to the program producing the binary representation. < 1401577446 329123 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want to believe that story about nobel's wife cheating with a mathematician is true < 1401577451 300070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M28: you mean your abel hth < 1401577472 397368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the only kind of advice you really need is that "this is a rational number of shape a/2^n, and here is n.") < 1401577474 926552 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :abel is no bel! < 1401577476 669638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks. < 1401577509 706796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: you know why that isn't true, right < 1401577528 820890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: no, but the abel prize is a real prize < 1401577545 633616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intended precisely to close the nobel gap < 1401577547 987071 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nobels are all fairly random. i mean, "physiology or medicine"? < 1401577569 607241 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicomedicology < 1401577626 63902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father says of any unsolvable problem "if you solve that, you'll get the nobel prize in mathematics" < 1401577648 753241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's weird because there is no computable function from computable reals of the first kind (producing approximations of precision 1/2^n) to the second kind (producing binary expansions) < 1401577661 427283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that just a subtle way of using reductio ad absurdum to say you won't be able to solve it? < 1401577665 595165 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Hackers was such a 90's movie < 1401577676 983133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only moderately subtle hth < 1401577680 5875 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: QUINTOPIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAIAIAIAIAIAIAIAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAH! < 1401577699 152381 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iä! Iä! < 1401577712 889422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :old cthulhu had a farm < 1401577755 537124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yw < 1401577769 593664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(annoyingly I should know this stuff. oh well.) < 1401577784 382225 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rounding is uncomputable in general < 1401577787 155553 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-54-64.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo < 1401577805 660719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, whoa, whoa < 1401577825 203552 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just looked it up. the reason it isn't true (in principle, where wife can be substituted by lover as needed) is that it simply happens not to be true of the girlfriends we know about... < 1401577844 128764 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION computes some well rounded numbers < 1401577845 309169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now that i've looked up the lyrics to Old MacDonald Had a Farm, i see the origin of certain lyrics from Chicago < 1401577847 397509 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...there is no reason? < 1401577874 116885 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicago and R'lyeh are related? < 1401577877 490133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quintopia: bah you're overcomplicated it < 1401577883 42997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: antipodes hth < 1401577910 538013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't know chicago :( < 1401577926 925050 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it coooooould still be true and history just forgot >.> < 1401577942 306780 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh. t. < 1401577944 909401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.metrolyrics.com/roxie-lyrics-chicago-the-musical.html < 1401577969 287619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway now i know the origin of "here a * / there a * / everywhere a *" < 1401577987 930355 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...it's not from old macdonald? < 1401578002 613996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is (apparently) < 1401578033 381861 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. wait... what made you think it came from anywhere else? < 1401578037 747242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'd never heard the full song in english before < 1401578047 959154 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from? < 1401578058 729563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've heard it in hebrew < 1401578076 844607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :("uncle moshe had a farm") < 1401578096 300420 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :israel? < 1401578104 2771 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1401578106 702345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401578120 932621 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now i've also learned something... < 1401578138 9271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1401578152 333009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i've heard it in english too and just forgotten < 1401578166 396055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the only problem is they're non-euclidean antipodes, so you won't find r'lyeh just by changing coordinate signs hth < 1401578223 415392 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i happen to know that many parts of chicago are very close to Fairy < 1401578231 377897 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this i learned from Dresden Files < 1401578252 634879 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably parts very close to R'lyeh also < 1401578277 27140 :Quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you like to live in that house? < 1401578296 637264 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't change signs anymore now that I work with dental prosthesis. last time I did that... well. it was... I don't think the result would have fit in a three-dimensional mouth. < 1401578320 775033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you just denture cthulhu? < 1401578347 21820 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once we expand our clientèle over to the Outer Planes. < 1401578374 935895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually changing signs isn't right for longitude anyway) < 1401578416 487524 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :axes in dentistry are fun! we have: buccal/lingual, occlusal/cervical and mesial/distal! < 1401578422 36371 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're context dependent! < 1401578839 786998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to send graphics via telnet? < 1401578863 511661 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1401578883 158601 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In such a way that common telnet clients do the write thing. < 1401578891 375096 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not counting ASCII art < 1401578915 149125 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, i was about to link telnet://nyancat.dakko.us < 1401578924 829974 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/asciimoo/drawille ? < 1401578969 85612 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1401579019 15515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Telnet isn't 8-bit clan < 1401579024 485962 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clean < 1401579041 980829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't telnet have a way to specify terminal capabilities? < 1401579048 441426 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yuck! < 1401579923 949947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1401579956 939519 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb! < 1401580324 146918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* boily wonders if there's a greek prefix for something between mono- and poly-... <-- oligo- ? < 1401580358 434738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's really a subset of poly-, i guess. < 1401580358 482093 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I know what a monopoly is, and what an oligopoly is, but what is a polypoly? < 1401580427 797905 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a free market? < 1401580466 411491 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1401580624 247154 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you identified the Fourth Kind of polies. mono, oli, roly, and poly.