1400889665 149305 :MDream!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1400889886 950183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just do it directly in LLVM by telling it that you want undefined behavior on unsigned overflow in this circumstances. < 1400890379 679645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400890496 511636 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the problem with base 10, and all other positive integer radix bases, is that they're topologically incorrect. < 1400890565 346303 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying they outright don't have topoligies? < 1400890587 530520 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think they have topologies. But the topologies are incorrect. < 1400890637 921631 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say that a set of sequences is open if and only if, for every sequence in the set, there's a finite prefix of that sequence such that every sequence with that prefix is in the set. < 1400890675 588614 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, the set of all sequences containing at least one "b" is open, because given the sequence "aaaabaaaaaaa", there's a prefix, "aaaab", such that every sequence with that prefix is in the set.) < 1400890711 137130 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's no continuous function taking a regular Cauchy sequence and returning a decimal expansion for its limit. < 1400890742 683305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been pinged < 1400890760 977830 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1400890763 51438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1400890765 658712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't me < 1400890771 603511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know system F < 1400890779 459088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i appreciate the faith in me < 1400890837 316477 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1400890846 293692 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1400890915 239950 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Given the sequence 1.1, 0.9, 1.01, 0.99, 1.001, 0.999, 1.0001, 0.9999, ..., you can never find any digits of the decimal expansion because you don't know whether the first digit is 0 or 1. < 1400890952 759440 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most obvious bases that don't have this problem are the negative integer radix bases. < 1400891018 639664 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's not quite true. < 1400891031 717483 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the negative integer radix bases where you're allowed to use digits at least as large as the base. < 1400891033 89522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yw < 1400891044 367629 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The absolute value, rather. So, e.g., base -2 with 0, 1, and 2 as digits. < 1400891118 988047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is system F brainfuck? i don't even remember < 1400891150 797483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no it's lambda calculus with explicit rank-n types < 1400891196 912954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc's core intermediate language is an extension of it < 1400891217 88997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basica version allows only terminating functions < 1400891220 36419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1400891240 409855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made some kind of RLE where some values are data values and some are RLE values, and the RLE values are small-endian shifted numbers so, for example, you might have eight data values and eight RLE values, then the digits are 1 to 8. If RLE values are present, you add two to determine how many. < 1400891282 447342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't understand anything even remotely related to ghc. i feel like the dude in that codeless code "the monolith" < 1400891294 571607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1400891303 187297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly there is still some redundancy though. < 1400891666 972298 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, how could everyone have missed a flaw in numbers this whole time < 1400891695 214964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mathematics inconsistent < 1400891697 531136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That isn't a flaw, though. < 1400891733 312272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks to me like an error in trying to use then with topologies even though it shouldn't apply. < 1400891763 820248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is Bike talking about what zzo38 thinks he is talking about < 1400891769 840908 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, yes. < 1400891823 859507 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo will see that everything he loves is a lie as soon as he tries getting digits of the limit of 1.1, 0.9, etc etc < 1400891828 392095 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doom! doom!! < 1400891836 769795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400891847 718621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it doesn't have a limit. < 1400891888 728165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things don't have a limit! < 1400891899 842883 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a cruel thing to say. < 1400891948 252662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if it is cruel or not. < 1400892024 144426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1400892036 606073 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically that is also a cruel thing to say < 1400892094 890536 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1400892184 616980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1400892268 562158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cruelly, that is not actually ironic hth < 1400893402 940029 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and incidentally (neither cruelly nor ironically) it is/was my birthday < 1400893442 580739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy olsner day! < 1400893466 895919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Happy olsner day! | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | brainfuck survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/L82SNZV | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1400893473 755338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel < 1400893485 717777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat inebriated? < 1400893497 252676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's just as well, we're 90% of the way through megasecond 1400) < 1400893524 58351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not older, because really I'm pretty much exactly as old as I used to be < 1400893613 11935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 build LLVM every day < 1400893687 406104 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1400893703 873808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't do drugs, but if I did I wouldn't do llvm < 1400893730 528674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people's birthday is on Feb.29 and it has to be moved to Mar.1. One way to avoid is to use your actual sun sign rather than the calendar; then you don't have to worry about leap years. However, in such a case, it will then change which date it is on each year much more often. < 1400893800 151090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you inebriated if you don't do drugs < 1400893906 600626 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :high on life tbh < 1400893912 397259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impeccable logic has been peccled < 1400893924 799048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :high on inebriation itself < 1400893953 294414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a snake smoking its own tail < 1400893982 780825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is the ecliptic longitude of sun at the time of your birth, to the nearest degree, and what time this year is corresponds to the same number? (I am not asking you what it is; I only ask if you know it or not.) < 1400893995 122740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know < 1400893999 766970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I think I could look it up? < 1400894002 772155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't actually care what the result is.) < 1400894050 941827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Using ephemeris you certainly can look it up, yes. But you may need to know the time of day too, in such a case. < 1400894072 936130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the approximate time of day when I was born < 1400894076 198416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I start using rust's format macros, I wonder if it would bloat my kernel horribly < 1400894081 121626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1400894089 761232 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-201-82.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my thought exactly < 1400894353 916475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can either use software on your computer to calculate it (such as Swiss Ephemeris, or Astrolog), or use a webpage form such as http://ephemeris.com/ephemeris.php It will display the current positions by default. You should leave the longitude/latitude/meters blank. The columns "Longitude" and "Latitude" are ecliptic positions (you can tell because of the units used), while "Right Asc." and "Declination" are equatorial coordinates. < 1400894366 504662 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400894669 387729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ephemeris can also be used for date/time in the future, too.) < 1400895112 107811 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1400895260 795727 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/video/christ-article-a-video,36101/ < 1400895350 510159 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel this. < 1400895710 634444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400895712 469243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a tarot deck, one card is called a "Fool" (or sometimes, an "Excuse"). This card is often labeled zero, but I disagree, and believe it should instead remain unlabeled. Generally, either it is either the highest trump, or it is a card which can be played even though you are able to follow suit, but always loses the trick. < 1400895758 139323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone once told me why it is labeled zero, which is because it represents the beginning of the journey, which is what the trump cards represent. I can understand this, but do not consider it to be a valid excuse. What do *you* think? < 1400895839 250967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another document agrees with me that it should not be numbered, but has an entirely different reason which does not agree with mine. < 1400895871 82773 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i care < 1400895874 521161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played any card games at all which have a card which can be played even though you are able to follow suit? < 1400895889 789179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering what other games use such a feature. < 1400896295 68959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game with the eights? < 1400896359 98574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Eights < 1400896375 195921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uno and speed uno < 1400896399 216621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that upstream downstream one i think < 1400896567 843065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I meant about trick taking games, where you lose the trick if you don't follow suit. < 1400896604 231727 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than spades? < 1400896633 28442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how Spades is played, but I can try to learn < 1400896657 63524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll play spades with you < 1400896947 189641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hearts it is played that you cannot lead a heart until one is played (and also a similar rule is sometimes used in spades). But what if, all you have are hearts? < 1400897006 456162 :hk3380!~test@natvip29.york.ac.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400897031 489460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says they can play it anyways in such a case. < 1400897104 833286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the following variant rule of Hearts is similar to the Excuse card in tarot: "Non-distinct Jokers are valueless cards that cannot win tricks. They may be played at all times (except to lead tricks)" < 1400897258 25963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in spades, if you have all the spades, you must call for a redeal < 1400897308 784021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, why is that? < 1400897347 372067 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1400897586 558155 :xk002!~001@a83-132-31-139.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1400897787 834161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because if you have all the spades, you will automatically win every trick, which means you will declare 13 tricks, the other side will declare 0, everyone will make their bids, and no fun will be had by all. boring. < 1400897848 528888 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to keep on hoping that, despite this image, Creatures 4 will have a real genetics editor < 1400897848 895589 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110825065432/creatures/images/4/44/Creatures_4_Editor.jpg < 1400898282 506244 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think it will. < 1400898314 73444 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that because it's free-to-play, you'd have to pay for each custom egg you hatch or something. < 1400898374 851360 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a Creatures fan? < 1400898389 641349 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, though it's been a while since I've played. < 1400898407 471690 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep scratching my Creatures 3 disks, hoping to get it on gog.com sometime. < 1400898409 120719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, which games? < 1400898414 67472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1400898430 177061 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 3, though I wouldn't mind playing the others. < 1400898485 117660 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much only DS+C3 here < 1400899027 781879 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1400899068 111274 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400899227 951972 :MoALTz_!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1400900078 609817 :kmels!kmels@190.148.177.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400900124 414790 :kmels!kmels@190.148.176.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400900314 135536 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1400902086 607475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mconcat < 1400902088 414461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoid a => [a] -> a < 1400902735 387890 :hk3380!~test@90.219.231.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1400903574 873484 :MDude!~fyrc@or-67-238-17-218.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1400904008 835903 :MoALTz!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1400904134 594564 :MoALTz__!~no@user-5-173-28-196.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1400905071 696547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://github.com/kmcallister/rfcs/blob/lints/active/0000-loadable-lints.md < 1400905141 36762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and discussion here: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/89 < 1400905146 664251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like mcpherrin's suggestion of CSS selectors for ASTs < 1400905173 786422 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jQuery for Rust < 1400905220 545191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1400905222 712952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rQuery < 1400905442 433075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[070(nop^)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39667&oldid=39666 5* 03John Misciagno 5* (+101) 10 < 1400905537 954738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can xQuery selectors be used for ASTs? < 1400905667 601887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know a code that can convert something like CSS selectors for ASTs into a SQL code. < 1400905831 725830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is xQuery? < 1400905874 78097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queries XML documents < 1400905891 634515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it compare to XPath? < 1400905903 262669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pcwalton's idea here is pretty #esoteric: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.servo/49g2izLWsls/VRlR_dSws_EJ < 1400905908 893934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Blink has a JIT for CSS selectors < 1400905921 659817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he wants us to do the same, but also throw out any other representation of CSS nodes < 1400905927 21243 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is 'API' coming to mean 'HTTP-transported API returning JSON objects'? < 1400905929 503467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get it dynamically by decompiling the JIT code < 1400905936 397290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this is why we can't have nice things < 1400905959 189363 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mashape.com/ sgeo < 1400905972 928395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hilarious site fyi < 1400906011 99145 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an ad for that site is exactly what made me think of that < 1400906067 442072 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.mashape.com/post/69006514021/list-of-25-email-validation-apis man they even advertise it < 1400906074 507381 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a million of everything and it all costs moneys < 1400906084 561326 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Why is that site suggesting hitting it for using the APIs? Do people make HTTP/JSON APIs on that site based off other APIs that might not be so "friendly"? < 1400906121 32246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EmailValidate is a web service which validates email addresses using various methods, including: Syntax validation, MX record lookup, SMTP availability" < 1400906130 870397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have sliced my thumb by attempting to use a knife as a different kind of tool < 1400906132 415586 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMTP? Isn't that obsolete, shouldn't we be HTTP POSTing emails? < 1400906136 722072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not badly, just enough to feel stupid < 1400906158 322143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you try to use it as nail polish < 1400906162 621396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: one day in the future, software archaeologists will attempt to discern the purpose of all these mysterious protocol layers under HTTP < 1400906162 944020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is call obsolete, but it shouldn't be. We should be using SMTP and deprecating the ability tp HTTP POSTing emails. < 1400906165 624210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1400906203 472069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-251-179.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if browser developers applied their mystic powers of understanding thirty layers of historical garbage i wouldn't have so much trouble with bug biology < 1400906209 907604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many better protocols than HTTP. < 1400906246 363952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP isn't the protocol we want but it's the protocol we deserve < 1400906248 30079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that literal example isn't quite happening yet. Except to the extent that webmail clients work, but that is, so far, just to a server which itself will use SMTP. < 1400906258 57827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there are totally services that let you send email by HTTP APIs < 1400906273 890565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i should spend some time actually learning rust < 1400906283 276556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's pretty cool < 1400906302 531579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.mailgun.com/ is a popular one < 1400906327 762848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should do it so that you can implement rustc features that i want < 1400906346 379875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/x-www-form-urlencoded? < 1400906351 985171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, seems like a novelty these days < 1400906366 369882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 11 months as a professional Rust developer, I have opened 48 issues on the Rust bugtracker < 1400906382 621854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, meteor shower tonight < 1400906386 814340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1400906389 15931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still insist to use SMTP (or TFTP). If the server requires HTTP to be used, you should instead immediately deprecate it and write a SMTP server that translates the signals, and then eventually fix it so that it works other way around. < 1400906392 510565 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd almost say I'm weirdly happy about that, except it exposes security issues because what's an SOP,