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00:09:41 <Phantom_Hoover> btw
00:09:51 <Phantom_Hoover> is it true that gravity probe b was pointless?
00:10:11 <Phantom_Hoover> i remember reading that somewhere and being mildly sceptical but i've never been able to find another mention of it
00:12:01 <kmc> pointless cosmology
00:13:55 <boily> I picture the Universe as having the shape of a grain of cottage cheese.
00:14:03 <boily> a very large grain.
00:14:28 <kmc> All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet. What a fool I was to defy him.
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00:16:41 <boily> kmc: it's a quote by hunter s thompson???
00:16:46 <kmc> yes
00:16:46 <Phantom_Hoover> ahahaha
00:16:47 <Phantom_Hoover> ahahahahaha
00:16:58 <Phantom_Hoover> i thought i was writing that in the kerbal space program channel
00:17:17 <kmc> kerbal space drugs
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00:50:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39456&oldid=39421 * CodingBat * (+16) Added Powerlist
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00:58:16 <boily> I hate it when I seem to be reading some comments on reddit for the first time, and then a wild orange arrow appears, attached to a six month old comment.
00:58:35 * boily mapoles his memory back into working condition
01:02:37 <olsner> the key to making good use of your memory is to forget such stuff you have no use for
01:03:30 <boily> oh. so... forgetting reddit comments is a good thing?
01:04:17 * boily mapoles himself up the head a few more times, just to be sure and drive the point home. «c'est pour... ow!... mon bien!»
01:04:54 <kmc> I hate it when I seem to be reading some comments on reddit
01:05:17 <copumpkin> me too
01:07:10 <boily> hmpfh! phillistines...
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02:12:17 <kmc> `coins
02:12:18 <HackEgo> resocoin umbercoin codecoin millcoin msgcoin hydrivarmycoin liccoin iincecoin brainvigatacoin quiercoin jgdcoin fadrompcoin hevercoin alcedcoin 960096coin ometcoin *coin cuylicoin blacrcoin mazacoin
02:15:13 <nooodl> msgcoin
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02:20:10 <kmc> om nom
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03:02:35 <ludmilaa> bika}
03:02:38 <ludmilaa> hola
03:02:42 <ludmilaa> alguno de 13 
03:02:50 <ludmilaa> qe able españool??
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03:15:55 <Bike> i'm reading a paper and realized it's the first time i've heard of parallel quantum computing, which is kinda weird
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05:48:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39457&oldid=38995 * 69.123.94.202 * (+29) /* Physics */
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06:28:52 <Bike> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7039/full/nature03484.html biology needs raytracers now~
06:44:11 <shachaf> elliott: How do you feel about lenses these days?
06:54:11 <Taneb> Goooood morning
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06:57:22 <shachaf> Taneb: can you write a function :: forall k s t a b. (forall p. Profunctor p => (forall f x y. k f -> p x y -> p (f x) (f y)) -> p a b -> p s t) -> (exists f. k f)
06:57:39 <shachaf> you're all about lenses these days, right
07:00:30 <kmc> write a lens combinator which is analogous to the advanced cnidarian optics in the bio paper Bike linked
07:03:16 <Taneb> shachaf, I can't even make that typecheck and you've given me the signature
07:03:18 <Bike> how can i use coq to show that box jelly lenses allow more visual acuity than is actually possible due to the retinal distance
07:04:41 <Bike> i wonder if there's some sense in which proofs in the sciences are generally simpler than ones in mathematics, since the main practical issue is designing and running experiments
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08:10:19 <Taneb> Netsplits are fun
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08:17:20 <oerjan> <myname> https://twitter.com/michaeljhudson/status/462103006410858496/photo/1/large xD <-- ok what is wrong with that or am i not getting a reference.
08:20:02 <fowl> lol
08:20:06 <fowl> it looks like cloaca beads
08:20:24 * fowl just pooped a little
08:21:29 <myname> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ThkQTo8-jI
08:22:38 <oerjan> O KAY
08:23:04 <myname> hahaha
08:23:49 <oerjan> i find it interesting that google suggests "cloaca beads" but shows up no relevant hits
08:25:05 <myname> you are not doing safe search, do you?
08:25:06 <oerjan> in fact putting it in quotes doesn't help.
08:25:16 <shachaf> You know the thing where you have two representations of something, where one is a collection of arguments and the other is a polymorphic result after applying one argument?
08:25:20 <oerjan> i don't think that applies to _text_
08:25:21 <shachaf> E.g. Yoneda and CoYoneda, Mu and Nu.
08:25:39 <Taneb> oerjan, it really does
08:25:52 <fowl> lol
08:26:12 <shachaf> Density and Codensity (only in one direction each)
08:26:18 <oerjan> also i definitely don't have safe search on.
08:26:34 <myname> interesting
08:26:40 <fowl> i forget u mammals have anuses instead of cloaca
08:26:44 <fowl> odd creatures
08:26:56 <myname> wtf
08:27:15 <oerjan> oh it's fowl being foul
08:28:53 <oerjan> ok i'm enlightened.
08:29:17 <myname> gratz
08:47:07 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> is it true that gravity probe b was pointless? <-- i also read that by the time they got any results, others had bypassed them in quality.
08:47:45 <oerjan> because they never managed to control the stray em fields as well as they wanted to, iirc
08:48:23 <oerjan> @tell Phantom_Hoover <Phantom_Hoover> is it true that gravity probe b was pointless? <-- i also read that by the time they got any results, others had bypassed them in quality.  because they never managed to control the stray em fields as well as they wanted to, iirc
08:48:23 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
08:48:31 <shachaf> oerjan: are you a kan extension expert
08:48:37 <oerjan> absolutely not.
08:49:07 <oerjan> in fact i don't think i've ever known the definition.
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08:52:41 <oerjan> <boily> kmc: it's a quote by hunter s thompson??? <-- somehow remided me of the first story in I, Robot
08:54:04 <oerjan> the one with the robot creating a religion worshipping an item in the space station
08:55:16 <shachaf> i, tem
08:55:42 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_(short_story)
08:55:57 <oerjan> (spoilers, of course)
08:56:53 <shachaf> Hmm, if you link to the text of a short story, should you annotate the link with "(spoilers)"?
08:59:18 <oerjan> a conundrum
08:59:31 <oerjan> *reminded
09:25:50 <shachaf> I want a word list with pronunciation metadata.
09:26:10 <myname> just switch to a more sane language
09:26:32 <shachaf> E.g. number of syllables, emphasis, rhyming or enough information that you can deduce rhyming...
09:27:21 <shachaf> That is an unusually unhelpful answer.
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11:51:07 <int-e> shachaf: a dictionary like http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/cmudict might help.
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12:24:24 <fizzie> There is also the BEEP, and some others.
12:25:03 <fizzie> http://svr-www.eng.cam.ac.uk/comp.speech/Section1/Lexical/beep.html
12:30:42 <int-e> neat
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13:33:18 <AndroidKitKat> Hey.
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13:47:35 <AndroidKitKat> Hey.
13:50:36 <boily> Eh?
13:56:52 <fizzie> boily: Hey.
13:57:11 <Bike> yeah
13:58:35 <boily> fizzie: hi!
13:58:39 <boily> Bike: thus.
14:01:31 <AndroidKitKat> Guys.
14:01:35 <AndroidKitKat> Quick question in BF.
14:01:41 <FreeFull> Sure
14:01:55 <AndroidKitKat> How do I make it that the pointer moves according to the input.
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14:02:16 <AndroidKitKat> The only way I can think of is laying down a "1" to make a path.
14:02:40 <AndroidKitKat> However, that would be a problem, because you might overwrite useful data.
14:03:17 <FreeFull> Not much you can do about that
14:03:37 <AndroidKitKat> So.... self modifying code's probably the only way then, huh?
14:03:59 <AndroidKitKat> Self modifying code in BF...
14:04:01 <AndroidKitKat> oh my God.
14:04:15 <AndroidKitKat> I can't even start thinking of what may happen.
14:04:37 <AndroidKitKat> FreeFull: How about an array of IF statements?
14:04:56 <Jafet> It's called http://esolangs.org/wiki/Aura
14:06:01 <boily> AndroidKitKat: of course you can write self-modifying BF code :D just write a BF interpreter in BF, augment the innermost language spec with self-modifying instructions, then embed the code in the interpreter.
14:06:21 <Bike> "pointer moves according to the input"?
14:06:35 <FreeFull> I think you should use a higher-level language on top of BF anyway
14:06:52 <AndroidKitKat> Bike: I seriously don't know enough programming terms to talk properly. :<
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14:07:15 <AndroidKitKat> I think I mean an arbitrary amount.
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14:09:06 <Jafet> There are brainfuck data structures, such as arrays. Some even use constant additional space.
14:09:06 <AndroidKitKat> Hmmmm...
14:09:10 <AndroidKitKat> I just thought of a good way.
14:09:19 <AndroidKitKat> But I "stole" it from someone.
14:09:45 <Bike> whoa whoa whoa that's not really acceptable in the high-stakes legally fraught world of brainfuck programming,
14:09:58 <AndroidKitKat> Lol.
14:10:17 <Jafet> We'll have none of that "scare quoting" around here
14:10:56 <AndroidKitKat> It's not really stealing though, because I just took his idea.
14:13:23 <boily> Jafet: what if I use “fancy” «quotes»?
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14:18:00 <Jafet> „⎡Nope⎦”
14:19:46 <fizzie> Also, no self-modifying code in regular brainfuck.
14:20:41 <fizzie> Oh, it was sort-of pointed out, I guess.
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15:10:19 <AndroidKitKat> fizzie: Unless you put the cells in the same memory space with the instructions.
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16:25:31 <fizzie> Yes, but then it's not regular brainfuck.
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16:58:43 <AndroidKitKat> fizzie: Good point.
17:14:25 <Jafet> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:255794 #kmc
17:15:03 <Bike> mm modular
17:15:13 <Bike> iso standard bonghits
17:18:07 <boily> OpenBong? what has this poor world come to...
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17:28:04 <oerjan> AndroidKitKat: you don't need self-modifying code, although you need at least two extra cells for shuffling things around with.
17:28:48 <oerjan> the easiest is to have extra cells between all pairs of "data" cells.
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17:29:59 <myname> https://github.com/fbrandel/ParisHilton.js
17:30:31 <AndroidKitKat> oerjan: Yeah, I already know how.
17:30:41 <oerjan> good.
17:31:06 <boily> myname: heh :D
17:37:38 <oerjan> <boily> OpenBong? what has this poor world come to... <-- it could get worse, just consider the obvious letter substitution.
17:39:21 <int-e> oerjan: gongs aren't bad, hth
17:41:33 <oerjan> OKAY
17:42:12 <oerjan> stackoverflow is so fickle.
17:42:52 <oerjan> i have this answer with most votes but it isn't the accepted one.  and earlier i got accepted an answer with zero points when someone else had more.
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17:42:54 <int-e> or "song" - have people tried using 3d printers for making records? (needs more resolution than 3d printers usually have, but I think I like the idea)
17:47:01 <oerjan> well i suppose the latter was because i answered a two day old question.
17:48:55 <oerjan> int-e: OpenKong, for your giant primate needs
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17:52:32 <Jafet> http://www.amandaghassaei.com/3D_printed_record.html
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18:02:59 <boily> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsLiV4WJfkTEHH0b9PmRklw
18:03:29 <boily> oerjan: I reject your letter substitution and substitute my own.
18:04:24 <oerjan> boily: i didn't say what it was, how can you be sure you haven't just substituted it for itself twh
18:05:44 <Jafet> oerjan: http://makerlove.com
18:05:53 <boily> I'm more interested with the substitutions between substitutions. kinda like a substitution functor.
18:06:52 <oerjan> boily: covariant or contravariant? *gets hit by anvil dropped by overhead swallow*
18:07:15 <b_jonas> oerjan: conjugated actually
18:07:25 <b_jonas> that's how substitution on a substitution works if it's invertible
18:07:33 <oerjan> Jafet: i'm so not surprised.
18:07:52 <oerjan> b_jonas: O KAY
18:10:30 <AndroidKitKat> Team
18:10:38 <AndroidKitKat> ps
18:10:40 <AndroidKitKat> Oops
18:10:49 <AndroidKitKat> Maaa 
18:10:59 * oerjan points at the space bar
18:11:05 <AndroidKitKat> I hate virtual keyboars with a passio .
18:11:24 * boily hugs his mechanical keyboard
18:12:02 * oerjan vaguely thinks boily hugs a lot of things
18:12:26 <oerjan> must be a side effect of this sanity he keeps speaking about.
18:12:51 <nortti> how does one vaguely think?
18:13:27 <oerjan> nortti: well you sorta like really in this way sometimes.
18:13:38 <oerjan> fungot: you're the expert here.
18:13:38 <fungot> oerjan: ( that that there can be more than one
18:13:49 <boily> nortti: it's one of the perks of being sane. it opens up all kinds of thinking!
18:14:18 <oerjan> wait i thought i was doing the vague thinking, and i don't recall making any claims of sanity.
18:14:55 <oerjan> `? mad
18:14:56 <HackEgo> ​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.  "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.  "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
18:15:08 <boily> woot! my sanity is creeping up on oerjan ^^
18:15:17 <oerjan> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
18:16:09 <AndroidKitKat> WHAT THE FUCO!?!?!?
18:16:22 <oerjan> a fate worse than too horrible too contemplate.
18:16:28 <oerjan> AndroidKitKat: problems?
18:16:33 <AndroidKitKat>  brb
18:16:38 <oerjan> have they added trollface to unicode yet
18:17:03 <oerjan> `unicode TROLL FACE
18:17:04 <HackEgo> No output.
18:17:15 <AndroidKitKat> I thought I was being idiotic with my typing, turns out something was manipulating le keypresses.
18:17:17 <oerjan> disappointing.
18:17:32 <oerjan> the ghost in the machine
18:17:33 <boily> keypress is feminine. «la keypress».
18:17:58 <AndroidKitKat> I didn't even ealized I switched channels already.
18:18:10 <AndroidKitKat> Fuck virtual keyboards.
18:18:17 <AndroidKitKat> :/
18:18:32 <oerjan> `unicode TROLLFACE
18:18:33 <HackEgo> No output.
18:18:34 <boily> oerjan: you probably want U+1F638 GRINNING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES.
18:18:54 <oerjan> boily: i don't think that's the image i'm imagining.
18:18:56 <AndroidKitKat> ...20-bit unicode? ._.
18:18:59 <boily> (also, HackEgo is on Python 2, therefore no shiny complete SMP support.)
18:19:06 <oerjan> `unicode U+1F638
18:19:06 <HackEgo> ​😸
18:19:11 <AndroidKitKat> Lol
18:19:28 <oerjan> boily: WRONG
18:20:00 <oerjan> `unicode GRINNING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES
18:20:01 <HackEgo> U+1F638 GRINNING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES \ UTF-8: f0 9f 98 b8  UTF-16BE: d83dde38  Decimal: &#128568; \ 😸 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
18:20:10 <AndroidKitKat> ...lolwat
18:20:13 <oerjan> it's a bit verbose about them, though.
18:20:43 <boily> eh? there was an upgrade? ooooooh...
18:21:03 <AndroidKitKat> Am I missing somethng here or is UTF-8 4 bytes according to that?
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18:21:32 <boily> AndroidKitKat: U+1F638 is far, far away. therefore, four bytes.
18:21:35 <oerjan> AndroidKitKat: quite possibly.
18:21:45 <oerjan> > maxBound :: Char
18:21:46 <lambdabot>  '\1114111'
18:21:56 <AndroidKitKat> boily: Or 24-byte. :D
18:22:04 <oerjan> > showHex 1114111 ""
18:22:05 <lambdabot>  "10ffff"
18:22:21 <nortti> AndroidKitKat: *bit ?
18:22:22 <oerjan> that's the official max unicode value, unless they've changed it again.
18:22:37 <AndroidKitKat> nortti: Hank you.
18:22:42 <AndroidKitKat> Thank*
18:22:46 <boily> `thank AndroidKitKat
18:22:47 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: thank: not found
18:22:52 <nortti> AndroidKitKat: Hank you, too
18:22:52 <boily> `thanks AndroidKitKat
18:22:53 <HackEgo> Thanks, AndroidKitKat. ThAndroidKitKat.
18:22:54 <lifthrasiir> any change to the bounds will cause an introduction of surrogate-surrogates
18:23:12 <boily> lifthellorasiir.
18:23:21 <lifthrasiir> oh no
18:23:24 <boily> haven't they learned that surrogate pairs are evil once?
18:23:42 <lifthrasiir> it's still evil as UTF-16 is still in use
18:23:46 <oerjan> boily: i'm not sure if it's an upgrade or simply downloading a better working unicode program.
18:23:56 <lifthrasiir> (and it *will* continue to be used due to the pervasiveness of ECMAScript)
18:24:26 <kmc> that's right :(
18:24:29 <boily> Gregor: did you change anything re HackEgo recently?
18:24:59 <oerjan> boily: it wasn't Gregor 
18:25:49 <kmc> although V8 can store strings as ASCII too
18:25:59 <kmc> and SpiderMonkey people are considering doing something similar
18:26:04 <boily> oerjan: meh.
18:26:16 <kmc> and even if they don't, I want Servo to store UTF-8 in the DOM and only convert to UTF-16 when necessary
18:26:26 <oerjan> boily: it seems to be Jafet's work
18:27:56 <oerjan> starting with a `fetch of a debian file
18:29:33 <kmc> i kind of wish that Unicode had assigned compatibility codepoints for lone surrogates
18:29:47 <kmc> since they are basically individual characters in UCS-2 as implemented by ECMAScript
18:30:04 <kmc> and Unicode is supposed to be round trip compatible with legacy character sets
18:30:45 <b_jonas> kmc: I've sort of met something like that
18:31:38 <b_jonas> kmc: namely, when we changed perlmonks' official encoding to cp1252 (new version), for a while we've had the problem of how to encode into xml the few bytes that aren't valid characters in that encoding
18:32:01 <b_jonas> I think eventually we made them encoded to the high control characters with the same code 
18:32:12 <elliott> why on earth would you change encoding to cp1252...
18:32:28 <Bike> to keep everybody on their toes
18:32:31 <b_jonas> elliott: it was iso-8859-1 before,
18:32:40 <elliott> okay, but unicode exists.
18:32:41 <Bike> garbage in garbage out
18:32:49 <b_jonas> elliott: come on, it's like 15 years old now!
18:33:07 <b_jonas> elliott: and the gods don't have time to apply even my simplest patches
18:33:09 <Bike> doesn't new perl use like, guillemets and shit? cp1252 must be a fucking adventure
18:33:15 <b_jonas> converting the whole thing to unicode would be impossible
18:33:55 <Bike> note to self, do not start using perl
18:34:16 <b_jonas> besides, you can put any character in the posts by amp-escaping them
18:34:31 <boily> Bike: you know you want to.
18:34:31 <b_jonas> (except in magical code tags where you can't, which is bad, but it's not easy to solve)
18:34:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Symbols]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39458&oldid=39439 * Oerjan * (-12) against policy
18:34:58 <Bike> i really don't, if this is what they're doing
18:35:08 <Bike> i have enough trouble with line endings
18:38:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ND]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39459&oldid=39440 * Oerjan * (+20) lowercase template
18:39:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Tubes]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39460&oldid=39449 * Oerjan * (-17) Undo revision 39449 by [[Special:Contributions/Lucasieks|Lucasieks]] ([[User talk:Lucasieks|talk]]) (Against policy)
18:41:09 <Bike> http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=37905 this is good stuff oerjan 
18:41:44 <oerjan> my prediction doesn't seem to have held yet
18:42:04 <b_jonas> oerjan: what prediction?
18:42:35 <oerjan> b_jonas: in the previous edit summary, which was also a Lucasieks undo
18:42:58 <b_jonas> ah, 
18:43:01 <b_jonas> I see
18:48:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Powerlist]]  http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39461&oldid=39455 * Oerjan * (-2) sp
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19:09:27 <elliott> oerjan: I will block if it happens again
19:09:37 <elliott> I did leave a message.
19:11:08 <myname> tubes looks interesting, but too bad it's not fully specified in the article
19:11:20 <oerjan> i should buy peanuts.  wait i have peanuts, i just think of them as chocolate because they're covered in it.
19:12:30 <myname> could someone explain the difference between the movers in tubes?
19:13:22 <myname> ah
19:13:25 <myname> THERE it is
19:15:31 <myname> okay, i still don't get it
19:19:39 <myname> memory is 2d?
19:20:06 <oerjan> you'd think you'd need 3d for tubes to work
19:20:22 <oerjan> wire-crossing problem and all that
19:20:58 <myname> i just don't get what the double-tubes in the first example are for
19:20:59 <b_jonas> oerjan: can't you avoid that by like using spare scratch memory cells that you set to the right value to cross a crossing?
19:21:42 <oerjan> b_jonas: i'm not talking about the actual Tubes language here
19:21:49 <b_jonas> oerjan: yes, me too
19:21:51 <oerjan> just musing about the meaning of the words
19:22:04 <b_jonas> ah
19:22:11 <b_jonas> you're _not_ talking about the tubes language
19:22:12 <b_jonas> um
19:22:21 <b_jonas> talking about what then?
19:22:43 <oerjan> you may have heard about this real-life thing called "tubes".
19:22:53 <b_jonas> yeah
19:22:56 <b_jonas> with water and gas
19:23:03 <b_jonas> the ones in the wall carry water, the ones outside carry gas
19:23:05 <oerjan> in which fluids may pass. they can be used for computation.
19:23:20 <b_jonas> yes, I've seen such a thing too but it's impractical
19:23:40 <oerjan> we don't have much gas tubes in norway.
19:24:08 <b_jonas> sure you don't, you just pay for all the electricity and don't care about how inefficient it is. I know most countries are like that.
19:24:20 <b_jonas> it's easier in more densely populated areas like here, mind you
19:24:34 <oerjan> actually norway has the cheapest electricity in europe. used to be even cheaper.
19:24:46 <oerjan> unless i'm gravely mistaken.
19:25:00 <oerjan> because our country is littered with hydroelectric dams.
19:25:25 <oerjan> although this new apartment actually has remote water heating.
19:25:41 <oerjan> which hardly existed a few decades ago.
19:27:35 <b_jonas> yeah, I hear it's hard because the ground is too cold and if it stops for just a few minutes for an error during the winter all the pipes freeze and are impossible to restart
19:27:53 <b_jonas> we don't have that problem because the pipes that are just a few meters below never freeze
19:28:04 <oerjan> hm
19:28:41 <oerjan> nothing bad happened over the winter here, but they were closed for repairs during summer.
19:29:17 <b_jonas> yeah, it might work better than what I imagine because they actually do regular maintenance there :)
19:30:02 <oerjan> well it's a new building, they'd better get it working to start with.
19:30:16 <oerjan> other than that, norway isn't known for being good at maintenance.
19:30:37 <oerjan> well the government.
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20:02:17 <augur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfoLe5oWb9I
20:07:12 <Bike> no thank you
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20:15:42 <kmc> `coins
20:15:44 <HackEgo> havecoin larcoin kvilcoin enigcoin mimsyoncoin eplatlcoin mortgcoin miccoin zsakingpetudecoin dna#coin fugicoin waduliecoin self-modicoin etarelacoin bookcoin villerecoin sercoin lawocoin chrcoin ryecoin
20:15:58 <kmc> self-modicoin!!!
20:16:03 <b_jonas> yeah, that's nice
20:17:41 <Bike> proof of work is submitting a new proof of work method
20:19:46 <b_jonas> Bike: nice
20:19:54 <b_jonas> wait, there's a comic for that
20:21:05 <b_jonas> Bike: http://www.xkcd.com/1121/
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20:25:17 <AndroidKitKat> wat
20:29:10 <oerjan> is there an xkcd comic about how there is always a relevant xkcd comic, i cannot recall
20:31:12 <b_jonas> oerjan: I don't either. It's only partly that there's always a relevant xkcd strip, the other half is how it's also possible to find it.
20:31:46 <b_jonas> There are other comics where I keep wanting to find the relevant strip, but there's no transcript and the comic is long and not in any sort of sane order and has no sane strip titles.
20:32:31 <fizzie> I always have to reread about half of isometric before I can find what I'm looking for.
20:32:51 <kmc> there is always a relevant goatkcd comic
20:33:50 <oerjan> what is the xkcd comic about those xkcd comics which are not relevant to themselves
20:34:25 <fizzie> I tried to use the relevantxkcd site to find the xkcd relevant to there always being a relevant xkcd, but the result wasn't very relevant.
20:34:55 <oerjan> fizzie: you probably got it mixed up with ironic hth
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21:50:02 <shachaf> kmc: i was going to look at rust but now ~ is going away or something??
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22:01:04 <FreeFull> shachaf: Being replaced with Box to allow for things like custom allocators
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22:01:17 <FreeFull> Although I think Uniq would be a better name
22:03:16 <olsner> "~" is about as long as a pointer kind/type/thing can get before it starts to be annoying though
22:04:54 <myname> yeah, rust is desugaring atm
22:05:01 <myname> not sure if i like that
22:05:18 <olsner> they might resugar when they figure out which family of pointers to keep
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22:53:27 <int-e> @faq Can Haskell make shachaf happy?
22:53:27 <lambdabot> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ
22:54:13 <olsner> I'll read that as a "no"
22:54:39 <int-e> shachaf: I couple of people are sad about the change but nobody actually complained (where I could see).
22:54:51 <int-e> err
22:54:58 <int-e> I couple -> a couple, and I should sleep :)
22:55:21 <b_jonas> is there another command that has the old behaviour?
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22:55:34 <b_jonas> @oldfaq Can Haskell make shachaf happy?
22:55:34 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
22:55:39 <int-e> not really.
22:55:59 <int-e> @msg #esoteric Yes! Haskell can do that!
22:55:59 <lambdabot> Yes! Haskell can do that!
22:56:04 <int-e> does not count :)
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23:22:28 <int-e> @dice d1
23:22:28 <lambdabot> int-e: 1
23:22:41 <int-e> @dice d0
23:22:41 <lambdabot> unexpected end of input: expecting digit
23:23:12 <int-e> @dice 1000000d2
23:23:12 <lambdabot> int-e: 1500224
23:23:55 <olsner> @dice 1000000d1000000
23:23:55 <lambdabot> olsner: 499558438973
23:24:38 <olsner> @dice 1d-4
23:24:38 <lambdabot> unexpected 'd': expecting digit, operator or end of input
23:25:04 <fowl> @dice 1+2
23:25:05 <lambdabot> unexpected end of input: expecting digit, operator, "+", "-" or end of input: no rolls in expression
23:26:19 <int-e> @dice d10/d5
23:26:19 <lambdabot> int-e: 7 / 2 => 7/2 => 3.5
23:26:23 <int-e> what!
23:26:36 <int-e> I didn't know that it supported division :)
23:27:02 <int-e> @dice d10/(d1-d1)
23:27:02 <lambdabot> int-e: 1 / (1 - 1) => Divide by zero!
23:27:32 <fowl> @dice d2*d2
23:27:32 <lambdabot> fowl: 1 * 2 => 2
23:27:57 <fowl> @dice d2/4
23:27:57 <lambdabot> fowl: 1 / 4 => 1/4 => 0.25
23:28:01 <olsner> @dice -d4
23:28:01 <lambdabot> unexpected "-": expecting number, "d" or "("
23:28:04 <olsner> @dice d1-d4
23:28:04 <lambdabot> olsner: 1 - 4 => -3
23:29:47 <int-e> To demystify the above, it approximates <n>d<m> by a normal distribution if n > 100.
23:30:37 <int-e> @dice 100000000000000000000d1
23:30:37 <lambdabot> int-e: 100000000000000000000
23:34:56 <olsner> how boring
23:35:15 <int-e> but effective
23:35:31 <olsner> I expected something more like a stack overflow in sum for large inputs
23:36:09 <elliott> why not just do it for n <= 100 too?
23:37:18 <int-e> because it's noticably different for the small n that matter, most notably n=1.
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