< 1396310466 282210 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396310643 88766 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've released a new IDE with fun support for all esoteric languages - http://shikhin.in/2014/04/01/wodscipe-ide.html & http://f.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27885. < 1396310645 378322 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check it out! < 1396310719 788448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all*? < 1396310742 504662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1396310754 357956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's internet jackass day < 1396310765 36903 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396310797 287426 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396310958 110220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't actually mean that. < 1396311035 529313 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i'll play it later. i'm just thinking of irl chemistry which is where axiomatism goes to die http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_quantum_chemistry < 1396311068 215284 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396311451 698147 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396311639 7732 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh nifty < 1396312492 139012 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: D'oh, that was actually a typo. *some -- go check it out, it actually works :-) < 1396312522 60868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it all fit in a boot sector? < 1396312527 38924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost managed to fit half a Forth into one. < 1396312584 479571 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We've split the editor and the interpreter. < 1396312595 508998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1396312599 109432 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, yes, the editor fits into a boot sector, and all interpreters fit in another 512B. < 1396312606 709300 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, hey, the editor's a quite functional ed :-) < 1396312613 489105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can halve them both < 1396312616 489229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get nasty < 1396312727 995133 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :The editor's... really nasty. < 1396312749 109901 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396312789 811372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ed! < 1396312793 158595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't possibly need all those bytes < 1396312836 549013 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396312966 279635 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396312995 652498 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396313004 930539 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396314305 75822 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1396314677 330515 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396314715 824047 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396316485 898445 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wrong for me to want Snap on WAI? < 1396316508 479170 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396316517 458476 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there any good reason that Scotty doesn't allow for installing middleware in a route? < 1396316529 209355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't want to apply jsonp to my entire application < 1396316546 889928 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I like Scotty. I really, really, don't) < 1396316605 108960 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or jsonp < 1396317239 324861 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396317853 391837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :re: freenode-G+ integration: I lolled < 1396317928 589736 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396317952 318727 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read the paper on managed time in programming languages? < 1396317956 780519 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396317960 660017 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1396318047 998624 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is interesting http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/211297/managedtime.pdf < 1396318229 708349 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Section 6 concludes with a future of managed time." < 1396318364 918003 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else would come after section 5 "The past and present of managed time" < 1396321128 20319 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396321181 747955 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396321252 78443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at some things and found a Java program written by a pretty bad compiler... to create a text value with "pick one" written in it, the code looks like: temp7 = new TTText("A"); hand = temp7; hand.keyboard('\b', false); hand.keyboard('p', false); hand.keyboard('i', false); hand.keyboard('c', false); ... hand.stoppedTyping(); notebook.gets(hand); < 1396321441 897858 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what was the reason for the \b. < 1396321607 727005 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: to delete the A < 1396321643 791090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that a word boundary < 1396321645 661197 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1396321646 102544 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :o space k a y < 1396322973 479589 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1396323427 846720 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396323809 70890 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396323877 938099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \b is backspace, I think, to delete the "A" < 1396323928 568117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I think the macro recorder in Microsoft Office probably does a better job than this... < 1396323996 718124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually the program contains a comment that says \b is the backspace key) < 1396326138 968014 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1396326699 348185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also things like this: temp1 = new TTNumber(1); hand = temp1; temp1 = hand; TTVacuum vacuum = new TTVacuum(); hand = vacuum; hand.keyboard('e', false); hand.stoppedTyping(); vacuum.suckUp(temp1); (temp1 and hand are both local variables of type TTObject) < 1396326914 799988 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396327148 575038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1396327489 947583 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396327583 727170 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shikhin.in/2014/04/01/wodscipe-ide.html http://github.com/Shikhin/wodscipe < 1396327633 692105 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: conehead < 1396327678 323491 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396327891 407618 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396327919 810575 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396327947 336782 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396328205 617543 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just learned that Snap framework apparently uses a Haskell library for SSL that uses OpenSSL, and someone on the mailing list was asking why thye're not using the pure Haskell version < 1396328230 16878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am that much more confident in Snap doing the right thing (in that they're doing the right thing here using OpenSSL) < 1396328387 505507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd trust some random Haskell code over OpenSSL :/ < 1396328706 483424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random Haskell code implementing SSL? Really? < 1396328726 451186 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396328911 567031 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure haskell version also has some oddities, e.g. not reading modern key formats < 1396329136 568124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396329137 988782 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mariolacoin fobcoin cuttcoin argfalcoin pathcoin subjicidecoin sympcoin resscoin middcoin torcoin ext()coin bitioncoin parackcoin clunecoin pictcoin billiicoin reverecoin andcoin bfirdinarizcoin ~coin < 1396329185 448058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel for the freenode/google integration is so much fun < 1396329293 189152 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396329556 346748 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping they actually changed NickServ to suppport it < 1396329740 214237 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?type fix id < 1396329741 197482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1396329748 226811 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?type fix id :: Void < 1396329749 147428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class `Void' < 1396329780 728952 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396329799 238938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did... Reddit implement face recognition technology for an April Fools prank? < 1396329800 781155 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?type fix id :: AprilFOols < 1396329801 637160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `AprilFOols' < 1396329801 823715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `AprilFools' (line 153) < 1396329805 929557 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?type fix id :: AprilFools < 1396329806 767353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AprilFools < 1396329833 949046 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the webcam video genuinely was recongizing where my face was < 1396329853 577732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must have taken, like, three lines of OpenCV calls < 1396329856 530693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I would assume they just picked an off-the-shelf one. There's one as a standard module in OpenCV. < 1396329901 837783 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't do anything but downvote < 1396329908 239868 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I hadn't read the blog yet < 1396330007 889718 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy internet uselessness day < 1396330068 199456 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396330151 57797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a weekly exercise session to run for that machine learning course, and I didn't even think of putting any FOOLERY in the questions. :/ < 1396330497 681751 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1396331152 519506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow! < 1396331152 749499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yow! And then we could sit on the hoods of cars at stop lights! < 1396331412 17174 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr < 1396331412 240599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drink up, me 'earties < 1396331655 230711 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396332339 766761 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I believe something for half a second, does that still count as falling for it?/ < 1396332374 880271 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. feel shame. < 1396332398 187338 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nordicgoacademy.com/2014/04/01/9x9-go-has-been-solved/ < 1396332401 847356 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even read the article < 1396332461 62402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it, the internet has made me hate a holiday as innocuous as april fool's < 1396332510 147718 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Similarly, now we have type holes that let us see what types should be inserted in various spots. -fvalue-holes is the next logical step, to tell us what terms we should be writing." < 1396332523 767085 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what automated proofs in dependently typed languages assist with? < 1396332680 150005 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1396333015 209746 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1396333277 308740 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396333437 248269 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396333827 915642 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396333835 208648 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1396334089 73020 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fell for it even though i read Sgeo's first message, and even though i was informed the first thing in the morning that it's 1.4. and if i go to work i should be careful. < 1396334094 807064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396334126 546978 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i asked why i got a warning instead of trickery, but apparently i'm too gullible for it to be interesting.) < 1396334126 733484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1396334126 920303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1396334180 329637 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the meaning of precise-exceptions < 1396334463 377266 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396334498 552198 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: on some processors exceptions, such as div-by-zero, etc. are not guaranteed to be reported in exact temporal location < 1396334515 62901 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :other instructions may have already been executed by the time it is reported < 1396334623 341252 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396334625 451514 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396334657 611125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396334658 975072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :divzerosisivecoin phildcoin smal-xcoin bash-01coin asingcoin aarghcoin shacoin magincoin cratorycoin upakcoin possologelcoin perparcoin opparcivilcoin etchcoin selfcoin iotoncoin braincoin nutcoin niocoin kensigcoin < 1396334680 439998 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have bots!? < 1396334695 180723 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1396334695 367295 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1396334695 737982 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1396334695 924666 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/^\ c.c  |\  |\|   |     >\ c.c /<     |    /| |/<  c.c /| < 1396334696 708064 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               (_|¯´\                 /`\ < 1396334697 267069 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    |_)             (_| |_) < 1396334980 227581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For light computing there will now be two servers, brute.aalto.fi and force.aalto.fi." < 1396334983 471561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusing nomenclature. < 1396335054 178907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathematica, MatLAB etc will be removed from kosh and lyta [general shell servers], and it is now forbidden to run CPU and/or memory-intensive processes there, and Aalto IT may kill those processes. -- There will be two new Ubuntu shell servers (brute.aalto.fi, force.aalto.fi), both of which have 256GB RAM and 16 cores. These are meant for light computing. All users are asked to be ... < 1396335060 227541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... considerate of other users and nice their processes. Any commercial use of these servers is prohibited. As an extreme example, 'mining' of any electronic currencies is strictly prohibited." < 1396335064 339981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me wonder if anyone has actually mined some bitcoins on the shell server. < 1396335088 177609 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kosh and lyta were nice names too < 1396335247 757979 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1396335266 978231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Solve::nsmet: This system cannot be solved with the methods available to Solve." Mathematica, you've let me down! < 1396336105 88359 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1396336195 107931 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1396336207 257553 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang.org is going down < 1396336214 627318 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to lack of funding < 1396336267 478001 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the info: http://goo.gl/6zh5 < 1396336272 689530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esolangs.org is here to stay :D < 1396336308 454519 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/ aww, such super cute pets < 1396336334 498074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh did scp do a apr fools thing? < 1396336386 131342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396336426 563217 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww it's the best one! < 1396336448 793846 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396336521 685023 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1396336522 24470 NAMES :#esoteric < 1396336528 327438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1396336537 547360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric ^v :it's april fool's day, not just be stupid day < 1396336539 147224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1396336539 168990 NAMES :#esoteric < 1396336582 485965 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the link goatse or what < 1396336629 148452 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396336634 548940 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does goo.gl not have an expander... < 1396336636 871209 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of this line, neither the most recent link I linked to nor the most recent link ^v linked to is goatse < 1396336666 787328 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is it then. lemonparty? screamer? 2048? pentagon papers? < 1396336673 925923 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware of the potential race condition, but it seemed to not have occurred < 1396336721 643906 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ dude < 1396336739 157834 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not lemonparty nor screamer nor 2048. I am not sure what pentagon papers is, but it's not that either, unless pentagon papers means something really non-obvious < 1396336771 778312 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's rickroll) < 1396336778 781863 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1396337080 202207 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396337100 891569 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, its illuminati < 1396337385 368053 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/9IR3V86.png < 1396337387 144530 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1396337394 288441 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its illuminati < 1396337402 91161 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are taking over the world < 1396337472 567592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote It is not lemonparty nor screamer nor 2048. I am not sure what pentagon papers is, but it's not that either < 1396337474 28525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1180) It is not lemonparty nor screamer nor 2048. I am not sure what pentagon papers is, but it's not that either < 1396337670 460633 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fark put up their April Fools Day prank < 1396337910 63712 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fark still exists? wow! < 1396337921 62230 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396337921 248886 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396337970 467755 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's fark? < 1396338014 937857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :went to the page (I think) and it wasn't obvious, so I left < 1396338045 414205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they just reset the page back to some day in 2004? lame < 1396338097 388032 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's great if you were a regular visitor in 2004 < 1396338215 633402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually was a regular visitor in 2004 < 1396338216 632666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__; < 1396338246 667489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what would you do if your toilet came to life < 1396338246 854840 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: we need to get and up here, shouldn't there be, exactly, i don't get to live. your trial that would appear to you in the bedroom. or any room with that." < 1396338248 780635 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a good joke for you then? < 1396338256 89552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1396338258 595476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> bed < 1396338264 677592 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :glhf < 1396338322 800132 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396338521 148030 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396338641 48076 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396338768 580628 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396338903 568097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is "passionated" a word? < 1396339141 85189 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now! < 1396340706 156332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396342001 718700 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396342740 863614 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell olsner It is if you word it. < 1396342741 119277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1396342764 149957 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.250 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396343106 835870 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396343890 255924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396345384 216781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it also depends on how it's encoded, and the size of a word on your system < 1396346504 530406 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1396347173 848824 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.250 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1396347207 873182 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396347217 558981 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396347657 121673 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396347964 69634 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.250 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396347985 321809 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396348444 969721 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1396348472 999811 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.250 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1396349971 752604 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1396351412 202522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396352085 40640 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396352520 485524 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396352537 375372 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396352828 12277 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396353800 251554 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396355575 41037 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396355696 816879 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-145-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396355703 159582 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-145-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396355900 480465 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-145-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396356026 384256 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396356118 23201 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-145-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396356223 394457 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396356224 613961 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396357888 25345 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396357957 536422 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1396359810 800308 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has everyone here checked out Wodscipe? It's an insane IDE for esoteric languages! http://shikhin.in/2014/04/01/wodscipe-ide.html (github: http://github.com/shikhin/wodscipe)! < 1396359847 437971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that article about it, at least < 1396359860 493191 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Try it out :-) < 1396364612 497777 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-145-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbs < 1396365505 633822 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396365990 175024 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396367061 739986 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396367439 705137 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396367735 12779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396367851 653009 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1396367870 19766 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396368060 648457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396369832 559617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've grown to hate Smalltalk and Modula < 1396369834 586809 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Fortran < 1396369848 172987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything that is similar to it < 1396369879 893393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1396369883 311696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for telling us < 1396369901 505151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good growth < 1396369923 674782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thank you for listening. < 1396369929 192470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really appreciate it. < 1396369955 783663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other channels I would have gotten banned for such promising statements. < 1396369982 626254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think smalltalk, modula and fortran were very similar. < 1396370017 157904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that can still be arranged if you'd like. < 1396370022 88335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you don't just hate programming languages in general. < 1396370026 21874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: smalltalk and modula are at least both early OO languages... < 1396370035 575413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fortran is um < 1396370036 932175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just plain early? < 1396370037 181490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. Just the old ones that feel impractical ;) < 1396370038 718405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: if someone worded it, it wasn't me (looked like swenglish to me) < 1396370043 425607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel impractical?? < 1396370051 108967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever read a line of smalltalk in your life? < 1396370058 594914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far more comparable to something like Ruby than Fortran... < 1396370063 988368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on if it's modula 2 or 3, i think. (i learned 2 which wasn't very oo iirc) < 1396370072 802134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've even written lines in smalltalk < 1396370099 198206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly the worst part about smalltalk is that workspace thingy < 1396370109 136310 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that it's not so bad actually < 1396370120 698367 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396370130 641601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eclipse, the worst part of java < 1396370147 527316 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eclipse isn't that tightly coupled to java < 1396370149 5370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though Workspace is just the REPL type thing, maybe you didn't mean that?) < 1396370173 954163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm actually so tired of bickering about this stuff and am hereby retiring from it. < 1396370185 588364 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be best < 1396370202 603261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try it too < 1396370203 934617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I obviously wasn't prepared to discuss it anyway ;) < 1396370284 377418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There really isn't a way to return an open array from a procedure in Modula? < 1396370325 497421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I also retired from complaining, just more relapses < 1396370387 455164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wasn't aware. silly Wirth reusing language names so much < 1396370394 775009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, maybe I was aware but only dimly < 1396370408 283559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not asking you to complain. And I'm not complaining. < 1396370603 127588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are, by the way, now bickering over this. < 1396370634 792819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we're not! < 1396370652 647394 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1396370701 859717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, *you* are not. < 1396370925 919462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i disagree. < 1396370970 819806 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's your position on this. < 1396370971 68637 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: he be tha heart an' soul o" tiles because my father, and i would not be so dismissive of. < 1396371009 962950 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396371022 463093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells durkon < 1396371042 387436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly vaarsuvius < 1396371164 401327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN is including many things that they forgot to put in modern programming languages, such as FREQUENCY statement, arithmetic IF, arithmetic overflow checking, ASSIGN, etc and some of these features have been removed or made useless in Fortran 95 and newer versions. < 1396371646 12067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although FORTRAN does have some new features which are pretty good too, such as coarrays, and a few others. < 1396372046 812952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :incindentally I hate all programming languages < 1396372066 770631 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's true < 1396372069 573227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep down I know it < 1396372345 178827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It's not often that I quote Stroustrup, but I like this statement: "There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses." < 1396372378 56881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396372407 799390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two kinds of fungot < 1396372408 51147 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: me too! neat, having dinner together, and i know that, i'm no better than my own, but < 1396372468 404712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: now you're going around being disturbingly appropriate again < 1396372468 659934 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get down! take a load and unload the camels for a second, any spell you are working on. < 1396372520 956344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :two fungot (or is the plural "fungots"?) and "me too", does that make three? < 1396372521 239614 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we need to get that " video games, but you and the idiot paladin understands better, i once saw head-butt an elderly gnome woman into a coma, he's been too tired and panicked! it's all i could get the scene. < 1396372537 965159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oots? < 1396372547 550076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1396372548 297514 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1396372553 739736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1396372753 953915 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you think about fungoots < 1396372754 207035 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: this " treasure" idea intrigues me and i wish. but elan, we're doing here in, say, " hold half-orc" for the hell, i rolled a 1 gp fee, we'll see if, for that kind of stuff, i figured that one out on my own, but < 1396372770 318820 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this corpus isn't quite large enough. < 1396372811 360498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iwcs" would be the irregular webcomics? < 1396372817 228987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the plural be "fungi" < 1396372832 858394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you pluralize yourself < 1396372833 129311 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: for that, my family would like my mode of transit returned, do you know that no one leaves. roy, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, < 1396372849 677063 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pluralize", not "multiply" < 1396372876 695170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh I usually don't see fungot do that < 1396372877 469379 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: too much clean and safe places for us, " oh, i get it. in that case, i will be up here on my throne, being awesome and everyone here could use a little. you sound so bad, really, all my molecules, so that the dwarf, " stabby" < 1396372883 139936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1396372883 400356 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1396372898 187428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you feel about imps? < 1396372898 659251 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: " good heavens. really... i have nothing but the endless glass rooms. < 1396372927 404221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether fungot can recognize handwriting now < 1396372927 404415 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: " ah," said ponder. " uh... and there's still more scumble in the jug." < 1396372960 706044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes for the first time that fungot is all lower case ALL THE TIME. < 1396372961 405377 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: on the other hand, anyone you managed to hit instantly became your foe, so it can get interesting, technically you'll rank as a corporal," said colon, but without much enthusiasm. even beggars need someone to watch over imp that night was day, people would have joined in. < 1396372992 827044 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-145-237.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396372993 82857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :T FUNGOT HUALAGAHALAHAGAGLAHL < 1396373010 741128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, including the fUnGoT nickname recognition < 1396373020 780596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea fungot < 1396373021 65946 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this was a gross breach of etiquette. " she's all right. you have to look hard. the hogfather's artificial stomach was now at groin level. < 1396373032 457878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: c.c < 1396373032 458086 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the whole family, including the floor and looked down at the table in the rats chamber repaired?' he said. < 1396373032 458185 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    c.c.c < 1396373032 458301 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     c.c < 1396373034 491838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1396373037 174062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: TOO SLOW < 1396373049 772262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the ordering of messages is consistent for all users in a channel < 1396373055 1889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect not, at least between servers? < 1396373080 240684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past I've seen messages from the same user reordered. < 1396373132 939792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :discworld was a bad choice, I want to get this image out of my head ... < 1396373164 947759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'll be back in a bit < 1396373165 208360 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ' is there something you want to go by yourself?' < 1396373176 528712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, riding TRAAAAAINS < 1396373176 785877 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ' right,' said the count, thrusting the axe aside. ' good name.' < 1396373194 915449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: s/go/do/ and it would have been perfect. < 1396373195 259687 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: teppic joined him on the < 1396373216 204596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... train? < 1396373241 709667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an euphemism I have not heard before. < 1396373244 792530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only 1676 mm gauge railway in North America? < 1396374261 977178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... still in operation? < 1396374319 25561 :doesthiswork!80df9206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396374384 959422 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396374412 903376 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396374886 136769 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396375042 762497 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-145-237.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396375120 27748 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396375523 30421 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: messages by yourself show up instantaneously in most clients so there's semifrequent mild inconsitencies < 1396375716 488256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume irc makes no attempt at chronologically ordering messages arriving from different servers < 1396375737 412691 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The Sampoong Department Store collapse was a structural failure that occurred on June 29, 1995 [...] It was the deadliest building collapse since the Circus Maximus collapse in c. 140 AD” < 1396375749 294738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, _is_ there even any original timestamp? < 1396375841 271973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that circus maximus one was a long-lasting record for sure < 1396375895 323225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it didn't say that beat it < 1396375927 588475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine the twin towers might hold that record now? < 1396375941 329808 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a very brief mention on the article for the Circus Maximus, in the citation footnotes, of 13000 people killed by a partial collapse of the stadium. < 1396375945 382253 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably only counting accidents. < 1396375947 77236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1396375963 255513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :13000, ok that record might _still_ hold then. < 1396376030 718096 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want to kill the most people, though, you should build a dam in china < 1396376041 869278 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a chemical factory in india < 1396376116 876010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do that mediterranean basin thing < 1396376149 674981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a few millennia to set up, though < 1396376263 622984 :nooodl_!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396376462 186651 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds < 1396376544 431655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just spend a few hundred years filling the atmosphere with excess CO₂ < 1396376571 834745 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396376618 167831 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn! < 1396376728 563908 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't you only ruin a few million coastal dwellers who by most accounts don't even give us cheap consumer products < 1396376791 597824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um that wouldn't be likely to empty the basin, would it? < 1396376921 19538 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wpluqqldruwmumgo JOIN :#esoteric < 1396376950 431710 :doesthiswork!80df9206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1396377408 336942 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396377674 472899 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396377840 953675 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396377842 786754 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396378956 170171 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/04/01/like-a-glove-april-fools-efforts-from-samsung-htc-toshiba-all-share-the-same-punchline < 1396379071 962670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1396379461 126082 :Guest27452!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Zom-B < 1396379542 362399 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396379706 604010 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core War is currently high on the programming reddit :-) http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/21xfrs/the_spring_2014_core_war_tournament_celebrating/ < 1396379725 662377 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes quite a few people will enter the tournament... < 1396379839 646267 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396379842 401150 :Sorella_!~queen@201.80.214.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396380127 344948 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396380503 62125 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@75-121-29-109.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396380570 251661 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396380905 660786 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :motif on wayland!? < 1396380933 334996 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds too boring to approve of, however crazy it may be < 1396381178 454642 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396381438 604908 :heroux!~heroux@5070815F.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396382558 298263 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396382726 242301 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1396383861 161744 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396384607 359401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i had 1024, 512 and 256 < 1396384864 585364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how it saves your game when you close the tab? well you can cheat by opening multiple tabs as savepoints < 1396384909 671238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1396384945 106253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also cheat by changing the numbers around to say what you want < 1396385152 395015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also cheat by not playing at all < 1396385178 382937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's "taking the rubiks cube apart and reassembling it solved" cheating and then there's "moving all the stickers" cheating < 1396385179 511007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's how you win < 1396385185 771625 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shachaf said < 1396385199 88894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you've made me want to play DEFCON < 1396385218 621733 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396385350 156616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a proper programming language to (re-)write my OS in < 1396385363 425442 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only winning move is to play, perfectly, waiting for your opponent to make a mistake < 1396385575 523064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Rust? < 1396385623 910612 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you on a team for it? < 1396385636 702059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1396385640 538463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean by that quite < 1396385647 934952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on Team Rust in that I plug Rust every chance I get :P < 1396385648 274480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should try, I hear there have been some improvements for runtime-less rust code < 1396385658 515686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's pretty slick now < 1396385662 798223 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sorry, I meant in relation to 16:46 < kmc> now you've made me want to play DEFCON < 1396385664 277423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.theincredibleholk.org/blog/2013/11/18/booting-to-rust/ < 1396385666 333154 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1396385666 612734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha < 1396385668 635136 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't mean that defcon < 1396385670 500144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1396385671 756223 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the missile shooting one < 1396385690 499681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396385691 114677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pew pew < 1396385697 170090 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're gonna have srsmode competition from dragon sector this year :( < 1396385699 968234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may want something that's more like a mix between rust and assembly < 1396385701 730939 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a good thing < 1396385703 338959 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's scary < 1396385741 48436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: in what way? < 1396385971 782315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do inline assembly in Rust; you can also link object files from Rust, C, assembly pretty easily < 1396386117 788503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure :) but e.g. something like inline rust for the code that's too tedious to do manually in assembly < 1396386533 44488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1396386533 942022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1396386560 194847 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1396386599 544960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing with the idea of building an optimizing assembler too < 1396386710 582571 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... implementing actual functionality is not the primary activity of this project) < 1396386959 722592 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396387070 112490 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1396387145 599969 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1396387152 636133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :UEFI's console API takes UTF-16 o.O < 1396387163 25118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame microsoft < 1396387188 230158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, with the PE32 format too < 1396387196 851603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the windows x64 calling convention < 1396387216 582549 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not latin-1 < 1396387232 228269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp437 for life < 1396387266 540137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :code page "whatever matches the font loaded on the graphics card" < 1396387277 657182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I like how on the web "Latin-1" means Windows-1252 always < 1396387285 692953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in tags, etc. < 1396387297 174216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, the web < 1396387331 313650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the algorithm for parsing numerical character entities (which are supposed to be Unicode codepoints) has special cases for 0x80 - 0x9F (the ISO-2022 C1 control code range) which map to the most likely printable Windows codepage characters < 1396387335 308324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-___- < 1396387606 37323 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1396387753 629430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I think I'll do a trial rewrite of the kernel in rust ... the biggest horror is that I'll probably have to use a linker < 1396387772 534704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP437 (the PC character set) is good idea. < 1396388251 141571 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396388588 432072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tomorrow! now I shall sleep < 1396388742 418487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396388767 393950 :heroux!~heroux@5070815F.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396388789 514850 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can lambdabot send differed subconscious messages in people's sleep? < 1396388791 50854 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396388819 242402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq < 1396388819 470209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. < 1396388843 942179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( which reminds me of a request to change this to a link to the FAQ on the haskell wiki ) < 1396388864 481514 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it only works if your subconscious is pure though < 1396388870 531855 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1396388904 361926 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't gonna happen soon. my subconscious is having lascivious thoughts of a grilled bagel, with chipotle hummus, random cheese, spinach and italian tomatoes. < 1396388987 856147 :MoALTz__!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396389280 419546 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396389281 766520 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396389282 227051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396389283 20633 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396389283 220383 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396389326 261904 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396389329 160646 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wpluqqldruwmumgo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1396389429 590646 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1396389590 511545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396389687 127385 :MoALTz__!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396389700 516902 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396389924 652603 :nooodl_!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396390517 427530 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: UNCLEAN CHICKEN < 1396391909 491485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish lambdabot would rejoin ##crypto < 1396391936 500962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@join ##crypto < 1396391948 510882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you should add kmc to online.rc < 1396391951 442797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + kmc < 1396391964 5545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott approved < 1396392021 894653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1396392028 366394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's online.rc < 1396392061 333615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file of commands lambdabot loads at startup < 1396392540 602621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you should add shachaf to online.rc < 1396392572 331667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin + shachaf < 1396392574 100412 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could you make lambdabot join #cs-york? < 1396392575 700126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf approved < 1396392618 637132 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396393261 209397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliott, that is the University of York computer science channel) < 1396393303 302879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to ask int-e for permanence, but sure < 1396393304 885474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@join #cs-york < 1396393309 290492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs ghc not yhc though < 1396393321 498786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: join ALL the channels < 1396393353 977366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1396393379 818998 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we are for some strange reason slowly working on a new York Haskell Compiler < 1396393410 179206 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of course is called the New York Haskell Compiler < 1396393928 339050 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396394043 595777 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396395209 353968 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL 5 ^ (4 ^ (3 ^ (2 ^ 1)))) is rather large < 1396395338 946608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 5 ^ (4 ^ (3 ^ (2 ^ 1))))' < 1396395339 771073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File "", line 1 \ print 5 ^ (4 ^ (3 ^ (2 ^ 1)))) \ ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1396395346 802888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 5 ^ (4 ^ (3 ^ (2 ^ 1)))' < 1396395347 541526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1396395392 56131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Python has the wrong definition of ^ < 1396395394 116714 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try ** < 1396395426 10849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1396395428 461428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'sthejoke < 1396395435 970963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I just realized most lines of C code end with a sad face < 1396395436 881442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :); < 1396395444 679529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I regret giving #cs-york lambdabot < 1396395451 242257 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I regret giving me lambdabot, though < 1396395468 253100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they doing to the poor thing < 1396395477 499163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh christ is it like lymia < 1396395486 343371 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : > foldl (+) [1..] < 1396395534 641312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1396395546 951955 :Chiyo!Chiyo@pdpc/supporter/active/chiyo JOIN :#esoteric < 1396395557 920968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Chiyo < 1396395568 235759 :Chiyo!Chiyo@pdpc/supporter/active/chiyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello :) < 1396395578 781562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello Chiyo < 1396395579 750993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellChiyo < 1396395581 682475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Chiyo < 1396395582 480680 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13Chiyo: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1396395585 471353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineffective < 1396395617 18959 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1396395650 113272 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1396395654 11140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be too ineffective. < 1396395666 533325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Don't be too ineffective. < 1396395668 935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1181) Don't be too ineffective. < 1396395719 133411 :Chiyo!Chiyo@pdpc/supporter/active/chiyo PART :#esoteric < 1396395779 852802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what our user retention would be like without HackEgo. < 1396395810 41309 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it like during the recent HackEgo downtime? < 1396395838 311170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all the hello/welcome jokes are played out and were never a good idea for actually making newcomers feel welcome. < 1396396126 119775 :Sorella_!~queen@201.80.214.167 QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396396343 841753 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396396461 778931 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396396784 934555 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@bas2-hamilton02-845476968.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396396785 855627 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@bas2-hamilton02-845476968.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Changing host < 1396396786 42210 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396396949 452098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to A/B-test that shit < 1396396959 511462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants the title of #esoteric growth hacker < 1396396988 21358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/*elcom* < 1396396988 637060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/*elcom*': No such file or directory < 1396396992 9676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/*elcom* < 1396396993 941242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1396396996 61502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider your aim hecked < 1396397029 204511 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396397045 812936 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a/b testing we're gonna need two hack egos, and which one a given person commands has to be random < 1396397110 42003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two hacks ego < 1396397208 157830 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1396398192 102125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396398839 402333 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396398981 912123 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`homestarrunnerlist < 1396398982 491584 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: homestarrunnerlist: not found < 1396399128 827921 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396399130 393879 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :battscoin exedcoin anicecoin metalcoin toucoin lcourbelcoin rocumcoin mannahcoin this=thagoncoin mercoin epicoin sootcoin entectncoin smarcoin shwhaltritcoin madrainfucker)coin attacoin befuncorcoin reraturcoin smncoin < 1396399289 401618 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396399467 915613 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396399473 624713 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396399919 622542 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf @ this=thagocoin < 1396400908 880706 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sootcoin < 1396401443 287188 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396401781 673158 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396401809 777664 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396406410 184617 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqnhwygazvjayzja JOIN :#esoteric < 1396406534 453021 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396407467 599154 :darwin!~d@2601:8:aa00:41d:5246:5dff:fe75:2c06 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396407470 341665 :darwin!~d@2601:8:aa00:41d:5246:5dff:fe75:2c06 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1396407515 121031 :darwin!~d@2601:8:aa00:41d:5246:5dff:fe75:2c06 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396407528 190659 :darwin!~d@2601:8:aa00:41d:5246:5dff:fe75:2c06 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1396410190 38516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396410191 32750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :timinuschecoin watecoin haffe7coin enamoucaleverixcoin sbancoin grofcoin nicecoin braintegdcoin nyboxcoin infalcatcoin ctorcoin laziacoin bf-rlecoin frackcoin thumbercoin elogiccoin loadcoin shructioncoin domcoin supecoin < 1396410234 181649 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits < 1396410234 840881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ ulimit -f 10240 \ ulimit -l 0 \ ulimit -u 128 \ exec -- "$@" < 1396410352 460972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`as86 nop < 1396410353 280193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :90 < 1396410358 75688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dis86 90 < 1396410359 40888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop; < 1396410369 11279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dis86 4daf5f1e95 < 1396410369 729895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scasq; pop rdi; invalid; xchg ebp, eax; < 1396411446 440516 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does... sdelete not like me trying to delete directories that ... have files? < 1396411764 116308 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396412278 441241 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's handy < 1396412293 323934 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just using objdump? < 1396412316 595565 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file $(which dis86) < 1396412317 740304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/dis86: ASCII text < 1396412328 244205 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/dis86 < 1396412328 952870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin="$1"; shift; unhex "$bin" | udcli -noff -nohex -64 "$@" | perl -pe 's/^ *//; s/ *\n/; /;' < 1396412507 760843 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1396413515 982685 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396415382 401693 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396415418 30580 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396415667 901255 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396416573 687115 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396416722 256362 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1396417357 960365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/as86 < 1396417358 640539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as="$1"; shift; echo ".intel_syntax noprefix; $as" | gcc "$@" -c -x assembler /dev/stdin -o /tmp/as86.o && objcopy -O binary /tmp/as86.{o,bin} && xxd -p /tmp/as86.bin < 1396417473 192851 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love the hardcoded tmpnams < 1396417516 376782 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396417555 650375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo < 1396417682 237066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run as86 ret & as86 nop; wait < 1396417683 316989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :90 \ c3 < 1396417722 920595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha i got a c3 \ c3 after some tries < 1396417762 917026 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for i in `seq 8 15`; do as86 r$i &; done; wait < 1396417763 175281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `;' \ bash: -c: line 0: `for i in `seq 8 15`; do as86 r$i &; done; wait' < 1396417880 660506 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for i in `seq 8 15`; do (as86 r$i &); done; wait < 1396417881 930855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/stdin: Assembler messages: \ /dev/stdin:1: Error: no such instruction: `r12' \ /dev/stdin: Assembler messages: \ /dev/stdin:1: Error: no such instruction: `r11' < 1396417889 210786 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1396417898 351051 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for i in `seq 8 15`; do (as86 'push r'$i &); done; wait < 1396417899 380393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :objcopy: error: the input file '/tmp/as86.o' is empty < 1396417916 998381 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also awesome bash syntax < 1396417967 896951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "& done" will also work < 1396417969 41217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need a subshell; for ...; do foo & done is valid. < 1396417978 460949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost. :/ < 1396417990 280098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost < 1396418106 686453 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost? < 1396418491 332569 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396418600 310002 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396418701 392323 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just lost the game. < 1396418754 312057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that one < 1396418780 567758 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1396418935 286368 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396419079 985864 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396419933 203102 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396422802 190800 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396422834 501415 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1396423492 171746 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396423770 388028 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396424261 813875 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396424297 470205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396424299 271414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractioncarandrijcoin ortacoin minicoin braincoin singtoniimtitiicoin easepolicoin highcoin bracoin brackcoin shakencalcoin minecoin starcoin timicoin eplieycoin smucoin easepolcoin concacoin filosophycoin ortcoin 0x25coin < 1396425994 648706 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the three big Haskell frameworks are each moving to use different streaming solutions < 1396425998 467472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*web frameworks < 1396426073 585799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by streaming solutions < 1396426150 173641 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conduits/pipes/io-streams < 1396426172 371957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1396426185 989095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunate that the haskell community has still not converged on one of those < 1396426199 151297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has lots of ecosystem fragmentation < 1396426209 550588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the hell you would call that < 1396426315 851339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> bed < 1396426515 941373 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396427356 61245 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1396427424 859020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jaspervdj.be/posts/2013-10-22-websockets-0.8.html < 1396427429 688005 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting appendix < 1396427463 134231 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(essentially: wondering if io-streams may be better for libraries as a lower-level thing that may work well with higher-level things like conduits and pipes, I think) < 1396427591 727975 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396427739 771031 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1396427841 339086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396428231 870303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if I'm reading this right rust emits a stack check using TLS at the start of every function, and this can't be disabled because something about memory safety < 1396428256 3521 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it can, but I'm reading the wrong series of closed bugs < 1396428674 90507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that the stack check is 37 extra bytes for every function is great too) < 1396428719 108997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396432840 711480 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396433798 490754 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396435938 358604 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396436005 415658 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1396436531 78319 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1396439061 206960 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396440131 937493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1396441128 763237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396442104 192388 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wrong to be amused at the name of Ludwig Bieberbach < 1396442993 673149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bringing Bieberbach! (yeah!) < 1396443009 289901 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to add another line to that, but I can Nazi a way to make it rhyme < 1396443085 122003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, no one was as schlicht as that guy < 1396443612 872558 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396443681 385833 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqnhwygazvjayzja QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1396443972 861778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I had an explicit request (from mm_freak) for removing lambdabot from ##crypto. Can you please sort this out? I don't want to be part of that fight. < 1396444062 514265 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396444697 793402 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396445264 899459 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396445285 819848 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1396445361 270210 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396446611 853068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it collide with an existing prefix there or something? < 1396446661 58603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to chanserv, kmc is an op of ##crypto and mm_freak is not < 1396446782 627700 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they discuss actual cryptography there now < 1396446809 137411 :Giannos_Gr!~gk@ppp-2-85-82-153.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1396446823 130172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I want to avoid going back and forth on this. < 1396446840 352546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I don't know if there's history or anything, just providing data < 1396446858 105842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I appreciate that < 1396446903 31740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :residual #haskell-ops instincts :) < 1396447187 181804 :Giannos_Gr!~gk@ppp-2-85-82-153.home.otenet.gr PART :#esoteric < 1396449254 146549 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396450942 495570 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plshuvacojuhgsks JOIN :#esoteric < 1396451240 43949 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396451312 238249 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders " Also I regret giving #cs-york lambdabot" < 1396451926 241349 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, lambdabot's been kicked now < 1396453245 318412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1396453245 732586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1396453339 170780 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botcrack < 1396453339 591491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1396453373 151629 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsuck < 1396453373 431948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1396453946 300831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396454638 887375 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I am doing scary Python programming < 1396454670 8400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for one reason or another I'm restricted to one file and it's up to 500 lines) < 1396455780 41855 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure to use as many different classes as you can < 1396455791 742214 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It enhances maintainability < 1396456062 450558 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok when did applybot break 1500 lines < 1396456073 551732 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember this happening < 1396456412 141014 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Ludwig Bieberbach doesn't make much sense to me. < 1396456424 256893 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be funnier to combine only one classical composer with bieber < 1396456595 510107 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm scary python < 1396456622 825760 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say that Bach was not a classical composer, but forgot about Carl < 1396456716 194261 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396456827 280856 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard a theory that python is a good language because you can write ~10^3 lines in it before your code becomes unmaintainable, compared to perl where it's ~10^2 lines < 1396457301 530368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : (for one reason or another I'm restricted to one file and it's up to 500 lines) < 1396457307 760777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :write very long lines? < 1396457332 517062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm writing it with someone who insists max 80 characters < 1396457346 650591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :write very dense lines < 1396457387 204117 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Python, not Perl < 1396457390 21827 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet: "unmaintainable" is a strong word. < 1396457419 147248 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python code is pretty maintainable even at scale.. but you just have lots of low hanging bugs that arent easily shaken out by a type checker. < 1396457453 520570 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 10^3 and 10^2 are harder to type than 1000 and 100 :) < 1396457588 320531 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this context, 10^3 does not mean the same thing as 1000. < 1396457660 321140 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does 10^3 mean? < 1396457666 722639 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10 `xor` 3 < 1396457667 476021 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num (12Bits n) < 1396457668 361310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1396457724 681048 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :~10^3 implies a range somewhere between 10^2 and 10^4. ~1000 implies a range somewhere between a few hundred and 2000. < 1396457753 827130 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so < 1396457794 969039 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i see ~10^3 i think "3 digits" < 1396457816 184282 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1396457817 336017 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1396457821 995239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kinda with Jafet here < 1396457859 231153 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I have not seen good python code past 10^3 lines or so. There is little documentation (docstrings don't count), no type system, and no confidence that anything that is documented does work as documented < 1396457895 401919 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I refer to the source code and it invariably looks like java without the type checking. < 1396457951 791727 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you should read more python code? < 1396457995 744374 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about https://github.com/trevp/tlslite ? < 1396458059 350374 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should I read that? < 1396458120 417598 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for enjoyment? < 1396458171 242680 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading a TLS stack written in python doesn't sound very enjoyful. < 1396458184 173419 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suit yourself < 1396458200 686230 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess that the authors derived enjoyment from writing it. < 1396458343 215927 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you most my published python codeis around 500loc, beautiful, bug free, and well documented ;-) < 1396458428 10773 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't seem to have negative tests, though this isn't that surprising any more. < 1396458483 781524 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396458551 921620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sigh, then it stays out of ##crypto I guess < 1396458641 190790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what are you replying to? < 1396458660 290627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: I had an explicit request (from mm_freak) for removing lambdabot from ##crypto. Can you please sort this out? I don't want to be part of that fight. < 1396458685 252329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1396458725 161534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care that much if lambdabot is in ##crypto < 1396458808 452225 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ##crypto any good? < 1396458852 857896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you not want lambdabot < 1396458875 568777 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -- because it might conflict with another bot? < 1396458875 801705 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :command not recognized or not supported < 1396458876 931102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `-- because it might conflict with another bot?' < 1396458945 73360 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also she is no longer a vixen < 1396458949 919274 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?vixen right dear? < 1396458950 551778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The press is the enemy. < 1396459074 250773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this again < 1396459078 420846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I think it's good < 1396459092 510937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mm_freak kickbanned lambdabot when he left the channel < 1396459113 171235 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?vixen a/s/l? < 1396459113 591356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to see this country to go that way. You know what happened to the Greeks. Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo, we all know that, so was Socrates. < 1396459126 741073 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just doing random quotes for vixen now? < 1396459133 816925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vixen -> nixon < 1396459135 689942 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, its doing nixon < 1396459143 54895 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?farber < 1396459143 560579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't put all your ducks in one barrel. < 1396459167 978296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm_freak left because of my "anti-haskell crusade" wherein I claim that Haskell is a capable, practical programming language rather than a perfect object of mathematical beauty which will solve all of humanity's problems < 1396459186 510764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why is mm_freak involved in whether lambdabot is in ##crypto if he is not in the channel? < 1396459191 23377 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little birdy told me that haskell is not math. < 1396459196 127062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me elliott < 1396459210 41641 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its funny that all the programmers think haskell is math, and all the math people think it is not. < 1396459219 614961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sure it won't solve all of humanity's (or anyone else's) problems, any more than, another programming language < 1396459225 803310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the (substantial) list of interpersonal drama I can get involved with, this has a pretty fucking low priority < 1396459252 651187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: well I'm a programmer and I don't think Haskell is math, although it obviously has connections to math, as do other programming langugaes or most things really < 1396459252 840842 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not until it can be compiled to javascript, at least. ;-) < 1396459293 710783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I think it's funny how Haskell detractors and Haskell zealots believe the same set of falsehoods about the language < 1396459294 590459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Compiling it to JavaScript isn't really all that good either, but at least it is another possible target. < 1396459302 234941 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++ < 1396459320 558087 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: javascript is for solving the worlds problems!@# < 1396459323 732198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently mm_freak was trying to claim that GHC Haskell doesn't have shared-memory concurrency < 1396459325 816916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has a lot of mathematical stuff on it but only computable (or partially computable) and it can't be ideal like mathematics can be, any more than any other computer program can be ! < 1396459338 268215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: No it can't solve the world's problems very well either! < 1396459363 30426 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure it can! see the facebooks! and the tweets! and the goog pluses!@#!@# < 1396459364 241057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because someone else was talking about how Rust doesn't have shared memory concurrency, and that this is a good thing, and if another language has a good thing then Haskell obviously has it but better, never mind what the facts are < 1396459370 492310 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved! utopia! < 1396459383 4024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really true that Rust doesn't have shared-memory concurrency, either, but more true than for GHC Haskell) < 1396459385 203469 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?keal < 1396459385 690593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc need to have plugin that allow copy paste in xp < 1396459402 517161 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?mm_freak < 1396459403 426915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1396459403 427143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1396459411 322551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: O, it is bad because Hitler did it. < 1396459419 20366 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: touche < 1396459423 611694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1396459463 841991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I don't really want #esoteric to be feud central, I was just confused. < 1396459517 21173 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396459583 999911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's an interesting bit of information. < 1396459648 783961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I can easily add ##crypto back; the real question is whether it annoys people on the channel or not. < 1396459701 723716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is there at the moment < 1396459718 908398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entirety of what's been said about lambdabot since lambdabot rejoined is < 1396459719 370633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:38 -!- lambdabot [~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu] has joined ##crypto < 1396459719 557768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:40 < kmc> lambdabot: welcome back! < 1396459719 557940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:41 < sarnold> lambdabot: botsnack! < 1396459758 638883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I < 1396459788 311573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could understand if the channel had hate speech or whatever, but this seems like deliberate troublemaking. < 1396459800 129964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1396459829 977022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, trying to get lambdabot out of a channel you're not in < 1396459833 180668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just weird. < 1396459846 763104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1396459853 62697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to be an op there, but not anymore I guess < 1396459877 199614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a month ago. I dunno. < 1396459885 408224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1396459898 354343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so it happened when he quit the channel < 1396460346 683426 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is math a perfect object of mathematical beauty which will solve all of humanity's problems? < 1396460357 742221 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in some vacuous sense < 1396460365 632229 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it can only have metamathematical beauty < 1396460428 859665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: you can define the can of beans as open. this easily generalizes to larger real world problems. < 1396460470 521137 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :God no < 1396460569 262761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't expect, that humanity is the only thing having a problem, and that furthermore, one thing can solve all of them. Both things are impossible... < 1396460591 903281 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to be anti-haskell zzo < 1396460613 251491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( humanity is part of the problem space ) < 1396460622 901381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zingle zign-on 38 < 1396460662 127626 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not part of the solution you're part of the noxious acidic gas rising from it < 1396460684 891197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the precipitate? < 1396460708 36834 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1396460957 171639 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a precipitate < 1396461014 807616 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1396461211 720810 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acidic precipitation < 1396461446 634192 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396461489 909828 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :math can solve humanities problems. most notably subtraction of certain people and addition of others. < 1396461585 250687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396461723 282915 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about multiplication < 1396461753 251625 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication has lead to a lot of problems, but does underly a lot of our current economic strategies < 1396461863 788444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :george washington has warned us about division, however < 1396461888 664692 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1396461921 825042 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only after he divided the british empire. so perhaps he didnt mean it generally < 1396461945 799576 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: i belief math, to the extent it is economics, has the potential to solve a lot more problems than "social consciousness" < 1396461997 594920 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately a lot of economics is based on math that is untethered from any physical reality. < 1396462013 347585 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someday we'll figure out how to fix that < 1396462033 514452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're already on our way < 1396462042 81960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :economics is a relatively young field of study < 1396462055 119070 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be this bizarre popular misconception that if you generate a probable prime and it turns out to be not actually prime, your cryptosystem will instantly break < 1396462121 36225 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#programmersarestoopid) < 1396462149 614853 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"psychology" has now gone two directions: there's cognitive neuroscience, which is where neuroscience met computer science, and there's economics, which is what behaviorism has evolved into. < 1396462222 930412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: if your composite "probable prime" has lots of small factors, then any data encrypted with it is definitely insecure < 1396462280 423907 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what quintopia said < 1396462305 291669 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i'm pretty sure crypto libs do a sieve against small primes after generation < 1396462324 821788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396462350 451323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also very unlikely that it will qualify as a probable prime. < 1396462388 918232 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know.. when 1/2^100 eventually happens, you wanna be safe ;-) < 1396462391 260760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very unlikely that any composite will...that's the whole point < 1396462435 43426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish they'd just hurry up and prove the riemann hypothesis already so we can have the dang miller test < 1396462454 139268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the probability is lower than that of a hardware failure, that may be a good point to stop worrying. < 1396462494 172632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had enough hardware failures in my life to keep worrying < 1396462539 592680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I misspoke < 1396462548 633364 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits all over the channel < 1396462555 299506 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1396462557 445437 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that < 1396462567 327377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I meant to stop worrying about the primality of the probably prime and start worrying about hardware failures instead. < 1396462575 913154 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop saying things like economics evolving out of behaviorism then! < 1396462603 759276 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. say your peace < 1396462625 851472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with Bike there; just because there is an overlap (once you give up the "rational agent" simplification doesn't mean one evolved into the other) < 1396462639 403716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, misplaced ). < 1396462659 381517 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that people don't get is that if there was any cryptosystem that would break if you handed it a fake prime, you would instantly get a primality test < 1396462678 95316 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, primality is in P < 1396462694 198433 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing much to say, i don't know where the hell you get your idea of psychology and its history but what you're saying has nothing to do with reality < 1396462697 203796 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyawy https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/451410960519938048/photo/1 < 1396462794 787031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitter makes those URLs useless without javascript. < 1396462803 743571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you looked at economics research lately? it bares little resemblance to what it was back before modern psychology. that old-school stuff has been shoved aside (not completely...there's room for everyone i guess) < 1396462835 642888 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean psychologists started becoming economists! < 1396462864 150879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1396462866 874726 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoved into schools < 1396462878 993788 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you said. "psychology" has now gone two directions... < 1396462895 447071 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, plenty of economic research is unrelated to the psychological states of actors. < 1396462898 135602 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more the other way around really. or maybe more like people who decided to become "economists" lately end up looking more like psychologists of old < 1396462937 10584 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say ALL of economics was subsumed by psychology < 1396462958 36798 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are extrapolating way too much in the wrong directions < 1396462984 123769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere, someone who said, astrology is no good, and psychology is even worse. < 1396462993 842852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in tracking philosophies and paradigms through time, it makes sense to say that many of those originating in psychology are now held by those calling themselves economists < 1396463017 698707 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "that old-school stuff has been shoved aside" and the thing you said earlier pretty clearly looked like psychologists became x < 1396463039 56473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never used the word psychologists < 1396463060 258933 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, messing with people's heads works. It's much harder to influence the trajectories of planets. < 1396463075 250659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if something i say can be misinterpreted to your dislike, please ask what i mean before vomiting on me < 1396463078 254559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just rude < 1396463141 619788 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "psychology". i don't think i'm being weird by interpreting «"psychology" has now gone two directions» as meaning psychology became something. < 1396463165 499445 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more vomiting because it sure looks like the channel is doing this thing where computer nerds start talking shit about soft sciences they don't know anything about. < 1396463186 294924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans evolved from primates, but we're not the only primates. psychology has become more than two things, but i'm only concerned with two of them here < 1396463214 846099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, you're loopholing, there is no way your statement can be reasonably interpreted that way < 1396463216 24686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sounds elitist < 1396463275 590610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but why would you even think that i was talking about clinical psychology or abnormal psychology or all that stuff? do i have to add a whole long list of qualifications to every damn thing i say? < 1396463325 53816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mispoke, but that doesn't mean you need to go accusing me of holding beliefs i don't hold < 1396463325 418919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "psychology" encompasses all of those < 1396463338 588105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but saying things that clearly strongly imply something and then getting pedantic when someone disagrees with it just makes you really annoying to talk to... < 1396463344 180781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know because I used to do it constantly. < 1396463361 561397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's permitted to just say you misspoke and take it back. < 1396463391 727802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not trying to get pedantic here. i'm trying to clarify. i know what i mean, but i don't know how to put it across so that i'm not misinterpreted < 1396463432 848162 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"modern economics has a lot more psychological realism than it used to" < 1396463469 543669 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for part of it i suppose < 1396463488 982232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what's the other part. what's the cognitive neuroscience thing even mean < 1396463577 371689 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396463647 398552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that part you rephrased was supposed to convey more about economics adopting the principles of behaviorism, looking at what people actually do and treating them sort of like black boxes. (which is to say, they haven't quite gotten to the point of using actual neuroscience in their models) < 1396463709 36286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other part means exactly what it says. cognitive neuroscience combines behavioral psychology with neuroscience with computer science models and other things < 1396463915 545364 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm supposed to interpret half of the sentence as meaning 'economics incorporated psychology' and the other half as 'psychology became cognitive neuroscience'? < 1396463993 87454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am i supposed to interpret them both as meaning something incorporated psychology, despite cognitive neuroscience not being mentioned before and seeming kind of random, or what. i'm confused < 1396464149 816618 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396464243 158787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you are having trouble interpreting my original statement, you should forget i ever said it, and ask about the things i said afterwards instead < 1396464262 275583 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396464500 327016 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about before, can i complain about whatever weird thing you were complaining about as 'social consciousness' < 1396464564 894069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't a complaint, but commentary on its inherent ephemerality. i don't think it's a bad thing to have, just that it won't stand throughout time. < 1396464834 738133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/21zdln/the_common_core_is_corrupting_school_mathematics/ holy shit this is awful < 1396464859 867369 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/0TDJAcR.jpg i mean for christ's sake the 'new' way is the way i learnt multiplication, it's far more sensible than the 'old' one < 1396464943 776975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaargh it's an april fool's < 1396464948 680257 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um is this a j- right. < 1396464972 841243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was confused on account of the fact that when it was posted it was 4 in the morning of april 2 when i saw it? < 1396464997 162450 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«You heard it here first from the Reform Math lobby: the "easy" way to divide is using a square root.» < 1396465013 221015 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if that guy really has a phd in math < 1396465021 766965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1396465047 56633 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/cYBLWpZ hahaha < 1396465083 299318 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This was a simple, straightforward process that required only basic fraction sense, understanding of whole-number addition, and a first-semester course in undergraduate number theory." < 1396465127 796510 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The Common Core is introducing all of this "problem solving" that relies on sudden insight and creative thinking and getting math away from what children should be doing: learning to operate on numbers according to pre-specified routines and instructions to produce a simple numerical output - you know, the sort of work that will position our kids for jobs that will exist well into the 21st century.» this is a good post < 1396465390 774966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, it looks like both methods did give the same answer, just written differently < 1396465394 81182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized that Rust Objective-C bindings could support syntax like let string = objc![[NSString alloc] initWithCString: "Hello, < 1396465397 45080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :world!"]; < 1396465418 391259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396465428 399557 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: part of the joke is the writer not knowing anything yeah < 1396465434 141136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok < 1396465438 876725 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is the newline intentional < 1396465452 456440 :w00tles!~w00tles@192.38.10.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396465461 530773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1396465463 821402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mispaste < 1396465471 612601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective-Rust, sounds great < 1396465478 672179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying you can shoehorn Objective C method call syntax into Rust as a macro, which is pretty amusing < 1396465484 411102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yep yep < 1396465505 667281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: completing the square really is quite easy, and it is, in fact, the first method ever discovered to solve such problems, as well as the method by which the quadratic formula is derived. i definitely prefer it to the quadratic formula (but not to factoring if the problem is reducible) < 1396465555 650755 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I found the magic attribute to disable the ridiculous stack check, but it seems to be a *function* attribute < 1396465572 905329 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :completing the square is fine but that's not what the image is doing, is it? < 1396465605 30512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's right < 1396465617 720241 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted to complete the square you'd add, uh... 5/2 or something? man it's been too long -_- < 1396465635 901885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think it's ridiculous; stack overflow would be a memory saftey violation < 1396465658 540944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there should be better tools for turning off the check, and also it should probably use a guard page instead for functions with a stack frame smaller than one page < 1396465683 246760 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it 25/4 you add < 1396465693 831200 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that gives you (x + 5/2)², right < 1396465750 872081 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the quadratic formula it's useful for whenever i want to solve a quadratic based on empirical data, because completing the square of 2.7x² + 5.3819x sounds p. annoying < 1396465763 461222 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in actuality i make the computer do it but w/e) < 1396465763 865906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: look near the end of the one he solved there. he adds 25/4 to both sides. it's completing the square...encrypted :P < 1396465768 373484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there are real-world examples of exploiting stack overflow in C programs for arbitrary code execution < 1396465770 381986 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1396465778 931960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the kind of thing Rust is supposed to prevent absolutely, modulo unsafe code < 1396465795 325010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice it can't catch stack overflow in C code called from Rust code, unless the C was specially compiled < 1396465827 827451 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :having students derive the quadratic formula from square-completion would be nice for sure, i don't rmeember doing that in class < 1396465834 996977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but i like his method too. it still requires less memorization than the quadratic formula, and more number sense as well :D < 1396465836 271206 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and then, you can jump into galois theory" < 1396465841 863542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal You've seen most of these already, but here they are all grouped together: http://zem.fi/2014-04-02-tl2 < 1396465842 140786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1396465855 979310 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm honestly not sure i get where the substitution comes from < 1396465903 652854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the substitution will always be (x+b/2)=u < 1396465928 680862 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'd rather complete the square < 1396465971 4802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is slightly more intuitive < 1396465999 888051 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, students who plan on eventually taking calculus might benefit from being able to make substitutions like tht < 1396466011 41921 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also makes some trig identities a lot easier to solve < 1396466059 614961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like long division... < 1396466061 349575 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for trig identities they oughta just teach euler's formula. < 1396466076 77783 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact i iddn't learn it in high school is one of my great griefs against the educational system < 1396466162 422506 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh! Today I ate a burrito < 1396466171 70666 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schools teach integrals the same way that the reddit post teaches substitutions. You grab a magic term and substitute it for u and somehow it all works < 1396466191 130661 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :( < 1396466191 551191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: congratulations < 1396466194 923509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was in it? < 1396466197 274958 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still bad at integral substitutions < 1396466198 419950 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beef < 1396466219 727999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did it make you think about monads? < 1396466230 2571 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not particularly < 1396466234 711345 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't care that I can't evaluate any integrals because I know you can write arbitrarily hard problems as integrals < 1396466237 957179 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the "this is not much like a monad" < 1396466257 140312 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try eating it in a spacesuit < 1396466261 191479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceci n'est pas une monad < 1396466344 482776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes. i bet they also didn't teach you the geometric intuition for all of the trig functions, which i find /more/ useful than the complex analysis connection < 1396466359 114649 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little worried as the only player whose character is aligned good in my D&D party < 1396466393 909292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to bring down a major bank. At level 2. < 1396466433 491333 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not start a D&D hedge trading guild < 1396466495 10470 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, that's part of the plan < 1396466515 133491 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're only doing this because one of the characters owes the bank money < 1396466614 643134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently GNU C has destructors: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Variable-Attributes.html#index-g_t_0040code_007bcleanup_007d-attribute-3022 < 1396466839 730244 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18197.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1396466931 168692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a "destructor" function attribute to complement "constructor", but that's different. < 1396467027 931050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those run when an object file is loaded/unloaded right? < 1396467058 321453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once did a "return to libdl" attack where the payload was in a constructor function < 1396467150 689633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "after main () completes or exit () is called". I'm not entirely certain on what happens if you have a destructor function in a shared object that is dlclose'd. < 1396467169 103863 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396467170 150404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Destructor routines are executed before dlclose() returns" okay, that. < 1396467350 60595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I once idly wondered but didn't take the time to find out: if you put an __attribute__ ((constructor)) function in a .so, will that get run based on an ELF dynamic section DT_INIT entry? < 1396467380 610563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Int (10 `xor` 3) < 1396467380 797237 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5:When elaborating argument 13x to function 09Prelude.Basics.the: < 1396467380 984030 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1396467380 984203 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Bits 13n < 1396467380 984300 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1396467380 984397 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Int14↵… < 1396467387 740005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1396467408 871046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Bits 16) (10 `xor` 3) < 1396467409 316509 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Num (12Bits (09fromInteger 0416)) < 1396467422 210737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t xor < 1396467422 658589 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Data.Bits.xor : (12Bits 13n) -> (12Bits 13n) -> 12Bits 13n < 1396467448 860814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wtf don't they have a Num instance for that < 1396467472 21419 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396467516 850829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :info Bits < 1396467517 290243 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a class < 1396467531 27228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Bits < 1396467531 264951 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Data.Bits.Bits : 12Nat -> 12Type < 1396467592 203311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because would it be big or little endian, for one? < 1396467603 70315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1396467608 972589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1396467614 984847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Bits < 1396467615 171484 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Data.Bits.Bits : 12Nat -> 12Type < 1396467622 71169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the constructors? < 1396467626 192656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :i Bits < 1396467627 374291 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a class < 1396467633 900864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was trying to find with :info < 1396467654 189000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i must have misremembered the command < 1396467662 981962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :help Bits < 1396467663 168831 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command not permitted < 1396467674 191118 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not permitted. < 1396467735 389448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :i Nat < 1396467735 576118 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a class < 1396467758 834524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :i Nat < 1396467759 21280 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a class < 1396467759 960405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input `:' < 1396467779 166509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :help < 1396467779 431324 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command not permitted < 1396467842 461271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Bits 10 < 1396467842 648801 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Bits (09fromInteger 0410) : 12Type < 1396467858 354612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :i Bits 10 < 1396467858 541268 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: end of input, < 1396467858 727908 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : operator < 1396467858 728054 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i Bits 10 < 1396467858 728149 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1396467867 20993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not recently played the Dungeons&Dragons, but may be able to, this week, however. < 1396467891 479533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't be able to until after Easter < 1396467893 666164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect to ever need to take down any bank. < 1396467915 422156 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I play it with friends at uni and it's the Easter holiday at the moment < 1396467920 986259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we're all spread all voer < 1396467923 63523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*over < 1396468160 553174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are currently no other player characters, in the game I am playing. < 1396468210 940871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which means, that our best fighter is gone, making it more difficult in the situation where combat becomes necessary or especially helpful, but so far we have been able to do stuff without much of that anyways) < 1396468533 968804 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Bits 16) (cast 10 `xor` cast 3) < 1396468534 193000 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04MkBits 049 : 12Bits 0416 < 1396468570 270202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t cast < 1396468570 457264 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Cast.cast : 12Cast 13from 13to => 13from -> 13to < 1396468674 280504 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396468692 7831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make Num a superclass of Cast Integer and make fromInteger a synonym for cast, i guess < 1396468714 630684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *subclass < 1396468774 258929 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 3+3 < 1396468776 615509 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :046 : 12Integer < 1396468838 490304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Bits 16) MkBits (-1) < 1396468838 717048 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:5:When elaborating argument 13x to function 09Prelude.Basics.the: < 1396468838 904307 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't unify < 1396468838 904470 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (09machineTy (09nextPow2 (09case block in divCeil 13n 048 (09Prelude.Nat.modNat, mod' 13n 047 13n 13n 047)))) -> 12Bits 13n < 1396468838 904566 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : with < 1396468838 904662 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12Bits (09fromInteger 0416)14↵… < 1396468850 782946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1396468859 490220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1396468866 756484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Bits 16) (MkBits (-1)) < 1396468866 756655 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating argument 13x to function 09Prelude.Basics.the: < 1396468866 756756 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable 09Data.Bits.machineTy < 1396468874 729431 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits doesn't include two's comp? :( < 1396468906 40041 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t MkBits < 1396468906 226713 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Data.Bits.MkBits : (09machineTy (09nextPow2 (09case block in divCeil 13n 048 (09Prelude.Nat.modNat, mod' 13n 047 13n 13n 047)))) -> 12Bits 13n < 1396468906 226874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Bits 16) (cast (-1)) < 1396468906 413341 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04MkBits 0465535 : 12Bits 0416 < 1396468935 460922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: MkBits is a constructor, so presumably it can't do canonicalization < 1396468937 453049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice type < 1396468999 973887 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's a scary type < 1396469001 149109 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is actually that the function to compute what type you pass to MkBits is private to Data.Bits. < 1396469062 211985 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_programming#History < 1396469079 432705 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic programming called dynamic programming because: that sounded cool < 1396469084 729120 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you get a nosuchvariable when trying to apply MkBits. < 1396469108 771540 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and because it sounded impressive" my life < 1396469291 720963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: ugh. < 1396469678 957781 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's kind of a neat thing https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop < 1396469766 985239 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (Bits 12) (cast (-1)) < 1396469767 209040 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04MkBits 044095 : 12Bits 0412 < 1396469861 211314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly Bits should take a transfinite ordinal instead of just a Nat < 1396470020 840156 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, it doesn’t even go over 64 bits. < 1396470030 335033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1396470064 956267 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( (Bits8, Bits16, Bits32, Bits64) < 1396470065 142935 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04(12Bits804, 12Bits1604, 12Bits3204, 12Bits6404) : 12(12Type12, 12Type12, 12Type12, 12Type12) < 1396470108 504627 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just wraps one of these primitives according to its parameter. < 1396470138 920843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1396470157 190971 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we have an isabelle theory of arrays where the arrays are typeclass-constrained to be at most 8192 elements long < 1396470165 234313 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also still don’t have well-supported bytearrays. < 1396470181 689963 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typeclass is named something like fourThousand < 1396470203 706595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1396470556 215124 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396470684 221063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why would they pick Debian if it's a purity thing...? < 1396470696 971614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect one of the GNU-approved distributions nobody knows about. < 1396470707 445051 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care, i just like fpgas >_> < 1396470709 940205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I wonder if Stallman will buy one. < 1396470730 908356 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :course xilinx isn't exactly an open source paradigm either < 1396470751 240627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I guess there's no way to change what the FPGA runs without proprietary software < 1396470769 501786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the open laptop gimmick is kinda silly, though I suppose you could just ignore the FPGA if it does nothing by default and is just an add-on? I dunno < 1396470788 231606 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laptops are a lost cause < 1396470811 312487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not exactly a laptop < 1396470828 892023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the case literally comes open when you lift up the screen and it has no keyboard. < 1396470834 740386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they call it a laptop. < 1396470841 490810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gNewSense. < 1396470862 20069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if that's current.) < 1396470887 411137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, plus Trisquel, Dragora, BLAG, dynebolic, and some others I'm forgetting < 1396470906 900010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot Musix, Parabola, and LibreWRT. < 1396470917 11363 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not fab your own CPU while you're at it < 1396470923 801252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BLAG is no longer recommended, apparently? < 1396470967 241148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is LibreWRT an OpenWRT-kinda thing? < 1396471025 410372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://librewrt.org/index.php?title=Main_Page yeah (dunno if it's based on OpenWRT) < 1396471074 297694 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiiiiine i'll just get a PCI FPGA somewhere ya nerds < 1396471108 379364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lets Free Your Ben Nanonote!" this is some weird Chinese pocket computer that ships with OpenWRT and it's still not enough for these people < 1396471133 411656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has no keyboard, then it isn't very good < 1396471143 63088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://librewrt.org/index.php?title=Hardware_Support you can kind of notice the must-be-free constraints in the hardware support page. < 1396471208 630701 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you have a hardware that is free, in the sense that no proprietary software is required to run it" < 1396471213 740579 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good definition < 1396471367 490285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me wonder if their WZR-HP-G300NH firmware actually replaces all bootloaders and such on the device. < 1396471414 721281 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably hard to replace anything in ROM. < 1396471457 311298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a C code such as function_module_vtab*vt=*sqlite3_user_data(cxt); then it is error dereferencing (void*) but the compiler ought to figure it out in this case. < 1396471548 640139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon you'll start asking for modern C++-style "auto" type inference features in C, too. < 1396471566 682905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it might run a free bootloader out of the box < 1396471578 271109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like U-Boot < 1396471601 712205 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even auto doesn't solve that; the right operand of = is not well-typed by itself. < 1396471679 62495 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, however, implement type inference by having sqlite3_user_data return a template with an operator* that returns a template that automatically converts to the correct contextual type < 1396471699 660657 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/template/template class object unicorn/ < 1396471702 54596 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1396471703 21842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396471721 600323 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm thinking about U-boat loaders < 1396471917 736360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SanDisk drive in the photos is a throw-away for our dev purposes only, we would not subject end users to such a drive" so much 'tude < 1396472003 461402 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oversized SD cards < 1396472022 90978 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396472064 673012 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396472217 726697 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396472226 710231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: In this case it isn't even exactly a ordinary = operator; it is a declaration. < 1396472241 600445 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396472537 734545 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true, but having a special rule for initializers is odd. < 1396472692 623804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're already quite special, to be fair. Like, there's no analogue to aggregate initialization for assignment. < 1396472712 556044 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be. < 1396472768 81695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could make it support a multiple assignment thing while you're at it. < 1396472789 561713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int a; struct { int x, y; } b; { a, b } = { 1, { 2, 3 } }; < 1396472819 251653 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's getting dangerously close to making C a usable language, and we should have none of that. < 1396472820 91230 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396472855 670431 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, I wonder why C++11 didn't just add initializer_list literals. I don't see a grammatical conflict there. < 1396472879 531247 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as exemplified by the existence of http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Compound-Literals.html) < 1396472895 960976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have int a, b; { a, b } = { b, a }; have undefined behavior -- like it naturally would -- to keep it sufficiently C-like. < 1396472931 211310 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396473019 799196 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The semantics should be easy to define, the left operand is treated as a temporary structure whose new contents are then assigned to a,b < 1396473072 212956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that would Preclude Optimization Opportunities and would never do. Clearly the only thing is to consider that the same as "a = b, b = a" except without the sequence point implied by the comma operator. < 1396473126 696877 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also another problem, people will then want their { any lvalue-expr, ... } = ... < 1396473128 619873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Why should we have none of making C a usable language? < 1396473167 676982 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :On further thought, that may not actually be a big problem < 1396473223 925969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does make it somewhat hard to define the resulting type of that = expression. (Perhaps an untagged structure with the corresponding member types could do?) < 1396473259 201172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I think that thing like { a, b } = { 1, { 2, 3 } } isn't needed and shouldn't be have in C, anyways, unless you could do something like int a; int b; struct { int x; int y; } c; { a, b } = c; which would be slightly more meaningful, but probably that isn't needed either. < 1396473276 652935 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conclusion I am compelled to draw from all this is that the following should be made legal C: {{a, b} = {b, a}, {b, *f(a, b)}} = {{b, a}, {a, b}} < 1396473290 33948 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1396473322 473973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: That would be p. weird, since the normal result of = is not an lvalue. < 1396473354 650939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396473360 571268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be. < 1396473362 792031 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrr, me seaplus be leakin' < 1396473410 93052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any problems with e.g. {({a, b} = {b, a}, a), {b, *f(a, b)}} = {{b, a}, {a, b}} though. < 1396473435 896898 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad: "In C++, a compound literal designates a temporary object, which only lives until the end of its full-expression [...] As a result, the C++ compiler now rejects the conversion of a temporary array to a pointer." < 1396473445 291349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Er, assuming a is an aggregate type with at least two members to fix my thinko.) < 1396473464 750340 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if they will take a patch that makes you a std::array instead < 1396473472 332971 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is *f(a,b) an lvalue < 1396473481 931343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sure < 1396473486 821303 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, how else can you assign to it < 1396473491 832317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x; int *f(int a, int b) { return &x; } < 1396473492 676930 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p = ... < 1396473495 578248 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a dereference of a function call < 1396473499 185948 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1396473502 542487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a dereference of the result < 1396473504 809538 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. great < 1396473509 752191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like int *p = f(a, b); *p = ... < 1396473520 690840 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pretty great macro libraries have been written this way < 1396473530 61673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :macro libraries? < 1396473575 861018 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a library which defines macros to dereferenced function calls < 1396473588 411089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did I recently read something about a crafty lifetime difference between two things. < 1396473646 560914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be some convenient way to run a full-text search on the subset of pages in browser history for the last couple of days. < 1396473650 850583 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some more pedestrian uses, like errno is usually a dereferenced function call that grabs the thread-local errno < 1396473653 192946 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1396473720 14585 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm pretty sure you can do that in chrome? < 1396473774 600755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think Mozilla uses SQLite, which includes full-text search. However, I do not know how to tell Mozilla to run SQL statements. < 1396473814 931195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: As far as I can tell, the "search history" button in (this) Chrome's history view only searches metadata like title and URL, not page contents. < 1396473847 989134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it won't show history for other devices than the local device if sync encryption is on.) < 1396473901 692349 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always hook up the sqlite command line utility to the mozilla database, once you figure out where they've moved the database files this week. < 1396473992 650554 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396474015 251256 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it the const& return values < 1396474080 834021 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://herbsutter.com/2008/01/01/gotw-88-a-candidate-for-the-most-important-const < 1396474830 71342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't that. I think it might've been something related to a macro. < 1396476001 633176 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18197.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396478700 791200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396478820 793533 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396478854 653103 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396479111 574844 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396479625 664426 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396479654 834654 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396479686 610118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396480477 480913 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: oerjan < 1396480552 161858 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396480686 461316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v, what? < 1396480704 242005 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he left :< < 1396480961 733443 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396481622 789773 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396481954 542950 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396482022 454905 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396482128 281500 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396482990 637887 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396483211 912727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote shachaf agda < 1396483212 657917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf says: Everyone forgets about Agda Lovelace, the first constructivist. < 1396483218 423156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ☝ < 1396483244 499191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1396483252 155026 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396483526 693395 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Client Quit < 1396483659 523229 :w00tles!~w00tles@192.38.10.2 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1396484128 641682 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396484314 243051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396484345 544260 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396484398 680172 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1396484477 591836 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396484995 605036 :w00tles!~w00tles@192.38.10.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396485337 746189 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396485419 412121 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396486891 380311 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396487625 170615 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/kJxqkZ6.png software licenses are important < 1396487799 99464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear IBM actually managed to get an exception to that license that allows them to use it for Evil too. (I'm not kidding, but the story may be false.) < 1396487814 294334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crockford is dumb and his license is dumb though. < 1396487971 769244 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dev.hasenj.org/post/3272592502/ibm-and-its-minions mmhm great < 1396488044 274003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if you use Crockford's JSON code as it stands then you're completely open to him wasting a lot of your time and money by deciding you're using it for Evil and trying to get you legally for it. < 1396488067 782248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since he's the kind of person to put a clause like that in a license, it's not really convincing to just assume he won't be obnoxious enough to. < 1396488081 533708 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, someone not a programmer linked me to this and there's nothing to do but laugh < 1396488170 240684 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396488203 790519 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396488375 182536 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396488479 328592 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1396488878 808044 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396489827 537426 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it has addition and subtraction, must be a brainfuck derivetive!" < 1396489852 489940 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ everyone who hasnt been to esolangs.org < 1396489948 381127 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396489950 744317 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396489957 522577 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396490013 782130 :w00tles!~w00tles@192.38.10.2 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1396496786 360415 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sewingandembroiderywarehouse.com/embtrb.htm < 1396499195 701014 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396499510 290662 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since #haskell is ignoring me, should I just ask questions in here? < 1396499521 40925 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or probably they just didn't see it or didn't know) < 1396499688 672536 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask now or forever hold your piece < 1396499772 240931 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urinate now or forever hold your piss < 1396500097 332700 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396501024 772459 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396501056 351092 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396501127 820837 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396501298 302215 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396501311 985379 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396502452 341745 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Elerea not a good fit if I want discrete events like 'line received from IRC'? < 1396503234 681171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks as though the external function could end up causing loss for those things if the FRP network isn't fast enough < 1396503978 317155 :w00tles!~w00tles@192.38.10.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396503983 950970 :w00tles!~w00tles@192.38.10.2 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1396504024 722841 :w00tles!~w00tles@192.38.10.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396505357 380874 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396505990 956651 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396506593 701711 :w00tles!~w00tles@192.38.10.2 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1396506745 193881 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396506928 92473 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396507860 93137 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396508523 669855 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396508758 326814 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396509087 991485 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396509299 958124 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396509405 106849 :samebchase!~samuel@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396509855 351218 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22109333/how-can-i-write-human-language-units-as-postfixes-in-haskell-like-3-seconds < 1396509869 431104 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does everyone love '3 seconds' whether it makes a lot of sense in the language or not? < 1396509879 741029 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense in Factor, much less so in Haskell... < 1396509940 830588 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@75-121-29-109.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396510109 41748 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396510428 41339 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@90.84.145.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396510686 160672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396512030 553195 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396512289 581069 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396512322 46378 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396513085 308837 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1396513108 378374 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396513884 950947 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that < 1396516776 501233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1396517025 834358 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396519209 410310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396520609 796952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm not sure whether a language is esoteric or not, should I add it to the esolang wiki? < 1396520795 321288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is esoteric < 1396520894 830356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the bloody wiki stalling in the middle of my edits < 1396521021 204126 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396521262 878891 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@90.84.145.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396521449 41117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ‘` < 1396521450 20828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK] [U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT] < 1396521576 290954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wiki is down hth < 1396521588 870676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCCASIONALLY < 1396521662 280482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfm < 1396521693 591382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i opened a heap of tabs and not worked, then i complained, then it worked again < 1396521698 722058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*none worked < 1396521749 531116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord "@\\[" < 1396521750 685772 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Functor f < 1396521751 61357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [64,92,91] < 1396521868 220236 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@90.84.145.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396521961 730589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: we _do_ have a rule you cannot create categories without discussing first, though. *cough* < 1396522013 850353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that rule is dumb < 1396522072 191156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then why didn't you repeal it while you hosted the wiki QED hth < 1396522089 70927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enforcing it was more fun! < 1396522100 870697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1396522532 234363 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@90.84.145.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396522549 977889 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@90.84.145.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396522649 515931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we do? oh damn, sorry < 1396522666 95729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I do now then? how do I put it up for discussion? < 1396522668 694428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1396522689 864485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an yes, that seems like a dumb rule < 1396522780 154446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure why it is being slow, the computer it runs on is mostly idle. < 1396522787 816474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it was v. slow for me, too.) < 1396522854 308897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Categorization < 1396523481 527625 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plshuvacojuhgsks QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1396523751 754489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:41:38 *none worked < 1396523755 874363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1396523772 550558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH IT WAS HORRIBLE < 1396524435 213981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, a new HWN i thought they'd died < 1396524763 454335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396524940 493720 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396525965 494278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"•Fuuzetsu: I know someone who pulls in Lens just for & and ??" <-- it's tempting... < 1396526047 976434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks like there's been another bitcoin crash < 1396526937 883410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, it has? < 1396526940 33773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there < 1396527179 39710 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396527195 343268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Bsy1sZI.jpg < 1396527225 708427 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1396527257 695722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to add the ant brain language from ICFP 2004 defined at "https://alliance.seas.upenn.edu/~plclub/cgi-bin/contest/ants.html" to the wiki. what name do you suppose I should use for that language? < 1396527338 542381 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396527339 189373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be "Ant state machine" or "Ambiant" or "Ant brain" or "ICFP 2004" or something else < 1396527420 925085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bitcoinity's graph fell from 0.6 to 0.4 in the last week < 1396527434 542559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, you call that a crash? < 1396527437 339493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a crash until it halves < 1396527448 982623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anything _other_ than bitcoin it would be :P < 1396527454 728454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the joke~ < 1396527457 744078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mediawiki supports redirects, so pick your favourite and redirect th eothers < 1396527511 716814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: argh XD < 1396527549 231812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally ghc might get the (:: T) extension i babbled about in 2008 or thereabouts < 1396527670 832671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is actually useful these days < 1396527672 904232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with lens < 1396527676 830626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1396527682 455096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess lens wants something stronger < 1396527708 764075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: augustss noted that it could also be used as a proxy < 1396527730 161357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that is very nice < 1396527736 534005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeOf (:: CInt) < 1396527749 293481 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing these regexp crosswords and one of the 'definitions' is [ABC]\s(LU|LP)]* and there is a mismatched ] whatdoido < 1396527753 393929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sizeof < 1396527754 303710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `sizeof' < 1396527754 514386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1396527754 514547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `IM.size' (imported from Data.IntMap), < 1396527774 23023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sizeOf < 1396527775 58196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `sizeOf' < 1396527775 267741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1396527775 267899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `IM.size' (imported from Data.IntMap), < 1396527796 891975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: \] or put it right after the [ < 1396527803 559935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is quite horrid. < 1396527812 952762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1396527818 3661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle sizeOf < 1396527819 83370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Storable sizeOf :: Storable a => a -> Int < 1396527819 291597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.Socket.Internal sizeOfSockAddr :: SockAddr -> Int < 1396527819 291760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.Socket.Internal sizeOfSockAddrByFamily :: Family -> Int < 1396527839 700534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think Koen_ means the regexp is already given as that < 1396527845 143048 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1396527848 572768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1396527856 152046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you complain, I guess < 1396527893 728384 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeling very uncomfortable < 1396527906 403197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1396527985 252684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed by unmatched brackets < 1396528620 683800 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396529113 663233 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396529150 92825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code is supposed to return values generally in the range [-10, 10], but it's returning values in [-10^300, 10^300]. :/ < 1396529273 1046 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396529460 153514 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396529493 954364 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396529536 353805 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396529790 828203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396529795 355128 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396530055 509548 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396530078 33425 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396530899 110470 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396532260 271423 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396532695 33851 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396532898 673766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ndef < 1396532904 382294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice joke langauge < 1396533055 5880 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@90.84.145.105 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1396533264 16483 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love "the famous real-time interpreter notepad.exe". < 1396533550 972711 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@90.84.145.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396534298 404493 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396534550 29642 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396537784 369046 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396537820 617297 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396538776 495946 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396538869 154871 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396539218 295631 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396539474 560932 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396540633 855366 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Quit: Oh god my bouncer is down help < 1396540741 664627 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396540742 387298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear algebra: a load of horseshit? discuss < 1396540753 505067 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396540778 495978 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396540797 213116 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a language that let's you define input types based on whether certain methods exist? < 1396540825 850118 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like int foo(some type where int bar(int) exists ) < 1396540842 302158 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*int bar(that certain type) < 1396540986 615397 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396540990 955426 :CutoutCapitalist!~CutoutCap@ool-457aab35.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396541058 865560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ocaml < 1396541063 255725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go, I think < 1396541075 325009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elm, I think < 1396541197 187383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me a keyword to look it up? < 1396541205 795290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not generics < 1396541209 654773 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396541227 874822 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :try "row polymorphism" < 1396541238 834441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what FireFly said < 1396541256 475072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "static duck typing" is what a plebian would call it, so you might get results that way too :P < 1396541288 553626 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1396541290 123067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1396541303 755725 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record subtyping? < 1396541307 6513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go hase some cool interface stuff < 1396541362 272472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. it's an interface alright < 1396541405 417311 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~neelk/rows.pdf has some slides on the topic < 1396541414 128994 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably found those already < 1396541815 624697 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@90.84.145.105 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1396541894 613572 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396542088 304854 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1396542793 775865 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396542959 25228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/BkcDW8CK <- something like that < 1396542974 981464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although showing you sketch-code isn't probably gonna say much :D < 1396543092 684959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :function addStuff(<* +(a) => a *> a, <* +(a) => a *> b) would allow you to pass two things that support the + operator < 1396543111 662183 :CutoutCapitalist!~CutoutCap@ool-457aab35.dyn.optonline.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1396543128 245753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question though is whether this kind of stuff requires run-time checks or not < 1396543249 426991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can create a list of "objects" that all support addition < 1396543297 494970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means there can be a double and an integer in it < 1396543304 136556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might not be able to add doubles and integers < 1396543313 687102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'd need a "homogenous" constraint < 1396543352 474527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing is knowing at compile time which overloaded function I'd actually have to invoke < 1396543365 335294 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess that's not possible < 1396543528 646205 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/x9yx3VQb <- Haskell seems to know which version of a function it has to invoke < 1396543534 464457 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for existential quantification < 1396543811 681040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my assumption correct that this can't be decided at compile time? < 1396543903 214702 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it is; you could have some function return Objs and pass them to squ < 1396543923 800187 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :then which function it has to invoke depends on that x value's type < 1396543978 414723 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:a288:b4ff:fe60:a3b0 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1396544145 571410 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite ducks typing for an infinite amount of time will eventually verify a correct program < 1396544771 201574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does boily ever leave metasepia in here while he's at work < 1396544898 684796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396544904 309634 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did once when specifically asked to < 1396544953 393967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396545050 905015 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolgomorov complexity blows my mind every time < 1396545145 243092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolmogorov? < 1396545161 826127 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1396545236 748900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :koglormov < 1396545270 915122 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1396545282 85162 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correctly spelled complexity blows my mind every time < 1396545332 975297 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the difference between different systems is only constant is just amazing < 1396545353 181518 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "just" turing universality < 1396545490 221549 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396545717 354289 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396545727 388834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the constant factor is what's so strange < 1396545758 884314 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all universal machines are time-equivalent; it's likely the case that TMs are slower than QTMs are slower than NTMs < 1396545759 93980 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1396545788 48341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there are extensions to kolmogorov complexity that require the program to have similar complexities, and there's no constant factor there < 1396545961 425239 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why what? < 1396545977 956331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand your question. < 1396545982 655082 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a question < 1396545992 3643 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand your message < 1396546010 605507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! time does not even the picture, it's all about program size. < 1396546011 13068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1396546036 902273 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given two models of turing-universality, kolmogorov complexity of a string between the two varies by at most a constant < 1396546051 546715 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because you can just stick an interpreter in front < 1396546068 127421 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't come from "just" turing universality, because there are other properties like time complexity which do depend on the model < 1396546072 605788 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what's so weird < 1396546081 916369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time complexity is irrelevant to kolmogorov complexity. < 1396546099 146280 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I agree < 1396546102 233316 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the constant factor is just for the program size. the new interpreter program combo might run exponentially slower. < 1396546107 166429 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1396546113 807582 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you talking about. < 1396546179 67329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/386/ < 1396546222 366755 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am simply trying to draw a comparison between two properties of universal turing machine < 1396546425 555375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest problem about this "as few constraints as possible" is, that you can't do much withit < 1396546440 81063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pass in a list of squarables to a function that squares them and returns them in a new list < 1396546447 445759 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't get those values out again :) < 1396546473 536093 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't cast it back to a double (because a squarable isn't always a double) < 1396546490 116736 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function would have to make a promise to NOT change any type in the list < 1396546496 586694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as NOT change the length of the list < 1396546536 676059 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one could safely pass a list of doubles and cast it back to a list of doubles since we know the function doesn't affect the types < 1396546553 315465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess then we arrived at dependant types :( < 1396546649 916201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with custom user defined types/containers that's probaly a little bit tricky < 1396546655 456971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to verify that no contained type is changed < 1396546674 896861 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lists you could just block add and some other list functions < 1396546705 210648 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://peerj.com/articles/338/ scientists are fucked up < 1396546824 661923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as fucked up as the participants who stung themselves < 1396546837 734931 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or let them sting them? < 1396546844 275411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the correct pronoun here is :( < 1396546861 305215 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :... as the participants who let them(the scientists) sting them(the participants)? < 1396546875 38962 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the participant was the experimenter, is the point. < 1396546890 925945 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Medical terminology: Buttocks / Layperson terminology: Buttock" nice < 1396548138 386081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396548550 655527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396548959 345901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396549876 44408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396550563 75039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: go also has static duck typing I think, but I'm not sure < 1396550628 915398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think they're both static and dynamic, sort of like haskell's classes, as in the validity is checked in runtime but the methods are resolved partly in runtime < 1396550641 124633 :avid!~root@nobody.violates.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1396550739 575453 :avid!~root@nobody.violates.us QUIT :Quit: tulip < 1396551133 319791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the first "runtime" there meant to be "compile time"? < 1396551136 385263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396551454 972869 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396551490 861248 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396552103 327349 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396552323 894903 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396552555 684170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396552905 95300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes, sorry < 1396552911 15410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :validity is checked in compile time < 1396553348 451831 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396553363 729747 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396553462 278184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396553761 706282 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396553929 804809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who made him a reddit response that was deleted. < 1396554237 253189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah < 1396554246 628870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interface types in Go are used for two different things, though < 1396554285 464069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call the methods in the interface, but you can also do typecase and casts on the dynamic type of the value < 1396554339 131509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since Go doesn't have actual polymorphism, it's very common to pass "interface {}" and do runtime checks on it :< < 1396554367 864276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1396554392 143857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by contrast Haskell a) has a real type system, b) has a separate facility for dynamic casts, which is much less frequently used because see (a) < 1396554443 780201 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interface{} is the top type. < 1396554452 765688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1396555810 871638 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, these guys are back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH0n_Ew2YDM < 1396556023 688153 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396556662 74722 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396556666 709243 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396556693 795704 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396556951 807654 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396557862 11537 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396557983 349902 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396558273 645482 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396560106 313939 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have a strange feeling that your day was more interesting than mine < 1396560122 498187 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396561550 972245 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396561599 490659 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396562566 371754 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396562698 501977 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/haley/status/451838031297646592/photo/1/large < 1396562907 257374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt that makes no sense. < 1396563428 274089 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396563435 204949 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396563449 887961 :nooodl!~nooodl@48.86-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396563946 272494 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396565091 156912 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396565336 240394 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396565614 411404 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1396565792 353129 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: bai < 1396566439 50804 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396566443 628771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396567611 680558 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I do a signed multiplication using unsigned multiplication? Is the only way to take the absolute value of both multiplicands, multiply, then set the correct sign afterwards? < 1396567693 20649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you do better? if the call will only take and output naturals, then you need to have a "downgrade" and an "upgrade" step < 1396567728 841332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs to get something you can pass to unsigned multiplication, then applying the sign to regain the information, seems minimal < 1396567805 792483 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure if there's some magical bit twiddling thing that somehow works :-) < 1396567833 250838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is. just make sure you use enough bitwidth < 1396567881 462115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay, so it's unsigned multiplication on the two's complement form? < 1396567890 322293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1396567896 49961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was unclear to me < 1396567901 400274 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, sorry :-) < 1396567922 540148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I can see how it's not obviously impossible to do better then :P < 1396567923 859838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just multiplication (mod 2^n) < 1396567954 499796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will work as long as the multiplication of the value bits don't seep into the sign bit < 1396567964 70714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't < 1396568028 810091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, carry) < 1396568073 380198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :put differently, you can think of it as working in the 2-adic system < 1396568112 810010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*number system < 1396568171 829110 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396568295 451388 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is playing British Legends :-) < 1396568490 660983 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1396568551 690227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Niet < 1396568971 854421 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396569131 256876 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so in Elemera or whatever it's called, there's externalMulti, which I completely didn't notice until now < 1396569135 692142 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elera < 1396569388 661745 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emeria? < 1396569417 640709 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loot < 1396569417 921000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_ said 11h 33m 11s ago: yeah I watched the latest captain america film with a friend and of course the bad guys from the opening scene are french (the bad guys are always french...) or so did they say!!! they were OBVIOUSLY quebecois < 1396569447 59205 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ eh? eeeeeeh? like, real Québécois people for real real? < 1396569447 246539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1396569788 777173 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396570479 835163 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1396571251 756401 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396571798 266223 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396571835 24033 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396572223 734760 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396572545 776500 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396572974 212144 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396573312 143500 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396573386 553275 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1396573402 527524 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rrdukebsasifhkit JOIN :#esoteric < 1396573780 873647 :mortape123!d1c074cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.192.116.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396575263 133119 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396576795 521590 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time + 17 < 1396576800 181730 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't horrible hacks fun? < 1396576836 960388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1396576918 361695 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetWire provides an instance (Monad m, Num b) => Num (Wire s e m a b) < 1396576930 331564 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means you can use, e.g., 17 as a wire < 1396576934 556462 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of pure 17 < 1396576954 561364 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... seems a bit needless, like a fancy trick that Ruby would pull to make test cases read like English, or something < 1396577422 171763 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from Sodium) < 1396577423 332439 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data.Traversable.sequenceA is useful to convert [Behavior a] into Behavior [a]." < 1396577453 391818 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bothers me a bit.... presumably, the size of the list of Behavior [a] will never vary, but that's not obvious in its type < 1396578693 227820 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You Are Using: Firefox 27. CSM Recommends: Explorer 8" meanwhile, on the web < 1396579752 731106 :mortape123!d1c074cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.192.116.205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1396580478 453805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396580479 920383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalcoin bistificidecoin dumplodecoin vilcoin commentcoin confiecoin astilcoin iapleasepollcoin tricoin rblockcoin appaghtidointolerentraccoin mousequecoin noobcoin rodoncoin gibbcoin quagecoin full0coin lazolcoin iicecoin archcoin < 1396581077 232378 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396581425 1564 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396581849 790186 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rrdukebsasifhkit QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1396583121 971537 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396583259 733051 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396583529 351301 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I hate to tell you this... but GitHub's Haskell hilighter sucks < 1396583546 790221 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1396583551 640643 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with DataKinds :( < 1396583560 940708 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, actually, looking at it again... oh. Extension I don't understand < 1396583593 622502 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396583601 372286 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396583611 260827 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do data ... things that need extensions to be made interact with code with those extensions disabled < 1396583632 552012 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. what happens when a function with no extensions enabled tries to use a (forall a. a -> a) -> a? < 1396583649 451673 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that type doesn't make sense except as bottom or const bottom :/ < 1396583677 680701 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I ... hope my question is sufficiently clear? < 1396583718 200860 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Syntactic extensions merely enable the syntax; the semantics are always available < 1396583732 470509 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rank2 type could be referred to indirectly, but not explicitly < 1396583764 240834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :modifications to the semantics of defined syntax occur only when the extension is available < 1396583779 301085 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :these two cases probably cover 96% of extensions < 1396584072 290702 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396584196 621939 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1396584575 996856 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah < 1396584577 476875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah < 1396584798 483164 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396584806 10339 :squeak!~squeak@91.223.28.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396584854 343449 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396585017 442325 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396585778 421497 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396585786 672228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396586664 160156 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396587241 176166 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396587488 810283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396587816 72548 :Guest2460!~chatzilla@1.84.207.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396587946 914 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396588104 460660 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396588104 647322 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396588234 800723 :Guest2460!~chatzilla@1.84.207.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396588278 393193 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slightly surprised that kmc didn't say anything about Rust 0.10 being released < 1396589238 912535 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396589978 351146 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396590042 722789 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396590081 495104 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1396590155 250954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/b0x3z/so_readwriteweb_does_a_story_about_how_facebooks/c0kfwpu < 1396590157 930684 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*twitch* < 1396590160 730654 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gurgle* < 1396590168 550473 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They made a silly error and I can't correct them < 1396591546 251500 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396592279 112377 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396592654 212380 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396593595 220818 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396594620 719496 :squeak!~squeak@91.223.28.138 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396595672 621949 :itsy!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396595707 751257 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396596471 852937 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396597320 174697 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396598152 838708 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396598153 152810 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396598909 967335 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396598925 592414 :Sellyme_!~Sellyme@2605:4d00:0:2::7a JOIN :#esoteric < 1396598940 844347 :Sellyme_!~Sellyme@2605:4d00:0:2::7a NICK :Sellyme < 1396599754 134344 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396600326 461632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396600553 674200 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396600872 101285 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396600935 48520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : They made a silly error and I can't correct them <-- http://xkcd.com/386/ hth < 1396604313 564522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the wiki have something about the ioccc entry at http://www.de.ioccc.org/years-spoiler.html#1992_buzzard.1 ? < 1396604366 859298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probably should be, the subset of C it uses after expansion is an interesting obfu language in its own right because it's not obvious how you can implement conditionals and other control structures in it < 1396604864 151530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? why can't I edit the wiki? when I submit the edit, I get a blank page as result and the edit doesn't happen < 1396605061 543317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always with the bugs < 1396605169 513562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: EWORKSFORME < 1396605274 729073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: funny, I could create my talk page, < 1396605276 731299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not my user page < 1396605294 998403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it matches a spam filter rule or similar < 1396605384 573437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was supposed to give you a slightly relevant error message. < 1396605408 604603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the wiki move broke something (a sure bet) < 1396605657 640506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i created it, let's see if that helps? < 1396605749 577156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, still can't edit it < 1396605764 750568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you edit it to say something else? < 1396605766 152287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1396605767 850253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can edit it < 1396605780 481585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be spam filter, because it depends on the content I edit it to < 1396605785 90739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't like links < 1396605843 950670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to bisect the text < 1396605867 891223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you might be triggering filter 3, make sure to include a newline. < 1396605888 836781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what filter 3? < 1396605908 400544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter but i don't know if you can view that < 1396605926 960203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! apparently the newline at the beginning before the == matters! < 1396605936 150671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"userpage contains no newlines and adds a link" < 1396605954 861121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but I did have newlines < 1396605959 110280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh you start with ==? that's filter 4! :P < 1396605962 190370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently it wants a newline at the beginning < 1396605967 640518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1396605970 421458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's filter 4 < 1396605985 590573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1396606021 230309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1396606154 570306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that regexp might catch === etc. as well, despite the description. < 1396606165 160558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter < 1396606380 840983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that AbuseFilter errors have been just unfriendly blank pages also before. < 1396606419 470348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, that's ok < 1396606425 730379 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs section headings, anyway < 1396606467 762866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it only applies to user pages btw < 1396606481 130866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what the spammers did < 1396606587 640400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm also a bit worried that the filter statistics says it hasn't triggered. < 1396606604 160834 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They maliciously... used section headings? < 1396606632 260955 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: uhh the fact that they implement a language with control flow operators (including goto) using said subset of C < 1396606636 790153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's only when the page _starts_ with a section heading, which is not our wiki's style < 1396606707 474448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was presumably the most identifiable feature ais523 could find for that particular flood of spam < 1396606723 162649 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. Strange that someone runs into it, then. < 1396606767 590540 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396606809 841272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hm. < 1396606878 200139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Curious, there are no entries in the abuse log newer than 5 November, 2013. < 1396607406 123729 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1396607568 151094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, would you look at that, there is in fact a bug there. < 1396607659 50726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was indeed an AbuseFilter match, and it's supposed to log it and give a "descriptive error message", but it has instead hit a PHP "must be of the type array, double given" exception, presumably due to AbuseFilter configuration syntax having changed. < 1396607879 810409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the value it complains about is a double right there in the documentation, so I'unno.) < 1396607907 994963 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396607948 61706 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1396607948 346770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1396607998 177973 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396608000 370631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: an edit to a user page makes it start with an h2 tag" < 1396608014 680563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it works, and gives that kind of error message. < 1396608045 640436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ends up in the log. < 1396608623 634126 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what? hungry ghosts in my labyrinth?) < 1396608720 840933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1396608750 931477 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396608769 780411 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1396608779 364924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think? < 1396608798 320470 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much. my thinking functions are running on power saving mode. < 1396608810 560445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yay < 1396608836 804538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: okay tell me about your favorite games < 1396608843 541003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mind if we start calling you fixie < 1396608864 9355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he has only one gear! makes sense! < 1396608891 661614 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: board or video? if it's board, I'd say Eclipse (which we played until midnight Wednesday night), mahjong, xiangqi and 将棋. < 1396608910 776216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about video < 1396608925 950575 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: video: I have a strong sentimental attachment to the old zelda, mario, DK and FF on the SNES. right now I'm a crawl addict. < 1396608957 130315 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, tetris. one can never get enough tetris in one's life.) < 1396609013 996084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1396609027 907322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about other media < 1396609072 721200 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeh... < 1396609092 950393 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Monday < 1396609093 511648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1110) aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening! < 1396609140 140235 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what kind of other medias are you thinking about of? < 1396609147 470724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's friday hth < 1396609242 558367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: books, shows, manga, visual novels, multiplayer rpgs, improv games.... < 1396609302 570515 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know. there's an orange t-shirt waiting for me. < 1396609334 848529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what computational class do you think you would get by adding an FSM to a poppable circular buffer. (aka you can delete from the queue, or move an element to the back, but not add anything new to it) < 1396609373 800595 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: many things including the Discworld, I don't really watch TV, azumanga and yotsuba, haven't read any yet, don't play any, do you include tabletop RPGs in that category? < 1396609424 177212 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of tabletop rpgs i suppose. < 1396609447 704110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :though less dndy ones and more storycrafting style ones < 1396609556 920412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, but it might be a bit premature; I'm sure I'll get progressively lazier w.r.t. fixing things as the novelty wears off. < 1396609565 530228 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then paranoia. < 1396609592 857943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1396609597 570655 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(time to initiate the Morning Rituals and go to Work) < 1396609604 120366 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SHOWERED CHICKEN < 1396609605 566012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye have fun < 1396609787 761225 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396609792 296063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1396609793 855534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes but by then you'll already have fixed everything, right? O_O < 1396609899 890292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm. if you could also change things you'd have PSPACE, but without that i guess you get something less. it seems doomed to halt or loop trivially... < 1396609918 238175 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396609933 303959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :without writing your own stuff, it's pretty weak < 1396609960 169159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is there a simple characterization of the languages it can accept? < 1396610170 990421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds even harder since you'd presumably need to massage data into the right form to get much computation at all < 1396610285 820956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking with just a _little_ massaging, you should be able to do LR(1) recognition at least. < 1396610319 820291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1396610335 390920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be hard to get back to just before the same point < 1396610341 991335 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could one modify the values in the buffer? or it it just read/delete/next? < 1396610353 452375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no modification is what i assumed < 1396610435 200542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not obviously equal to any class i know of, anyway < 1396611214 721141 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396611762 876524 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1396612303 151948 :password2!~password@105.233.36.200 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396613497 752349 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396614010 354209 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396614155 340925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396615380 300656 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396616140 510883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396616638 940491 :mortape123!d1c074cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.192.116.205 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1396617668 251676 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396619019 680461 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396619865 910086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter lists the current filters < 1396619900 211392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about that #4. it seems overly restrictive < 1396619903 970395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can just use

though. < 1396619911 909502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then, the description is misleading.) < 1396620829 300518 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396621556 730945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: you can just put a newline at the start of the page before the == mark and it works < 1396621570 339948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: I've put a comment and a newline so that I don't try to delete the newline in the future < 1396621613 322469 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write an intro to the page < 1396621712 340694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sure, I can write "hello, I'm b_jonas" or something < 1396622223 140435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas:

blah

is just as easy < 1396623210 331509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/eEHB let's see you remotely TR-069-administrate my modem now, Mr. ISP. < 1396623374 240557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but will the wiki put that to the toc? < 1396623379 81109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki formatter that is < 1396623382 687015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try < 1396623384 159962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396623387 181071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1396623388 721044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like your page has a TOC though. < 1396623404 110587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, I believe yes) < 1396623417 780801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have a toc yet, because I haven't forced the toc with that magic string and has too few sections < 1396623448 900699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a user page long enough for a TOC is a sure sign of ego :p < 1396623460 830578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, or more often on the wiki, brilliance) < 1396623470 571519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or both.) < 1396623503 652299 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eccentricity > 1 < 1396623507 927177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked, mediawiki does put the

to the toc as well < 1396623508 820761 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1396623729 264952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then I have ego. my userpages on both en.wikipedia and en.wiktionary have sections. < 1396623761 691140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough sections to have a TOC without forcing it. < 1396627384 771909 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396627536 993317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :love the latest GG comic. < 1396628971 668442 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1396629429 154424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: GG? < 1396629535 515572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius < 1396629544 404342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily would know ;) < 1396629550 282192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396629570 82394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1396629688 83253 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may be mixing up oerjan and boily. I hope not.) < 1396629735 727094 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read GG < 1396629739 379634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's was good < 1396629751 56191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I also read FF < 1396629762 987503 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefall? < 1396629766 543508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1396629785 382545 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/10741243/Government-pays-Microsoft-5.5m-to-extend-Windows-XP-support.html < 1396629885 41607 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396629888 347040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about GC? < 1396629996 64382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gene catlow? stopped reading in 2009. < 1396630032 939487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the only match in my comic bookmarks) < 1396630048 262373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to Gunnerkrigg Court, actually. < 1396630053 18482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1396630064 345555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern match failure then. < 1396630067 643477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do read that one. < 1396630073 83504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny. < 1396630161 116737 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I read that < 1396630162 883561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And EGS < 1396630202 342998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACON and EGGS. < 1396630242 335589 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: bookmark points to http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-07-12 < 1396630285 815485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was moving at the time, starting on a new job, ... I guess that's why I stopped reading. And I didn't miss it enough to start again. < 1396630410 732273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably stopped reading EGGS around thereabouts, too. < 1396632080 808332 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396634474 512585 :itsy!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396636238 527721 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a massive number which is x^x http://pastebin.com/dxYJhSWh < 1396636242 771311 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i find out what x is < 1396636461 517843 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambert W function i bet < 1396636465 767951 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396636545 192679 :nooodl_!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396636635 412592 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396636638 11092 :nooodl_!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1396636655 781425 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 666^666 < 1396636656 23899 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:4: error: expected: "$", < 1396636656 210659 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***", < 1396636656 210831 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", < 1396636656 210986 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", < 1396636656 211117 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",14↵… < 1396636657 612459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2715417592887128558260874551700217860278385210650169871782230046965783675347... < 1396636679 286910 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl_ < 1396636685 612782 :nooodl_!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1396636707 2484 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-ircslave: stop reacting to lambdabot's prefixes < 1396636707 538373 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1396636707 725775 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable stop < 1396636819 60455 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Use @run. < 1396636845 274347 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-ircslave: 666**666 < 1396636845 337842 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:4: error: expected: "$", < 1396636845 524570 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "***", "+", < 1396636845 524744 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", "/=", < 1396636845 524846 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", ":=", < 1396636845 524960 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>", "<+>",14↵… < 1396636922 145328 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s no infix operator for it yet, because nobody’s gotten around to adding it. < 1396636947 368155 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t pow < 1396636947 555094 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.pow : 12Num 13a => 13a -> 12Nat -> 13a < 1396636991 762713 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t powerMod < 1396636993 111213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `powerMod' < 1396636995 11156 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad :( < 1396637087 611108 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> itertools.ifilter(lambda x: pow(x, x, 1000000) == 598016, itertools.count()).next() < 1396637092 137394 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a fun way to find it < 1396637109 982607 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@72-161-15-177.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396637401 394490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"solve x^x = (big number here) for x real" in W|A works up to some point, though not quite up to 666^666 without W|A Pro. < 1396637401 811260 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :% Solve[x^x == 2.715*10^1880, x] < 1396637414 611228 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{x -> 665.9999794971646}} < 1396638434 643652 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396638459 782067 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396638701 177588 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396639588 261257 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :fcrawl < 1396640070 12901 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396640097 784763 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396640117 890837 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRvK_07KRV8 < 1396640815 534165 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396640869 901150 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396641889 722949 :tertu_!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396642398 650323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396643027 961338 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396643140 981505 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396643485 280097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396643569 290506 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396643714 100671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : love the latest GG comic. <-- yep < 1396643790 619695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find my Winterbells high score. :/ < 1396643804 144154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I may be mixing up oerjan and boily. I hope not.) <-- it's conceivable we both read it. < 1396643892 379920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: DD, FF and GG, the cream of webcomics. < 1396643953 36396 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396644174 532430 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GG is Girl Genius, FF is Freefall, but what's DD now? < 1396644193 23889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you mean Darths and Droids < 1396644194 106096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1396644216 20463 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any of them :( < 1396644222 909549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe Doghouse Diaries? hmmm < 1396644228 119688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid acronyms < 1396644240 749951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: if it helps, http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/grn lists all webcomics I read and many I don't read < 1396644274 679998 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love something like a generic wbcomic reader for android < 1396644287 429722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: don't you have a browser? < 1396644301 409354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for almost all webcomics, you only need a browser < 1396644309 985989 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to read webcomics via gprs < 1396644319 896277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1396644342 329818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some webcomics downloaded, both to read locally and to have a backup copy in case the online one disappears < 1396644348 150190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want some of them zipped? < 1396644393 770362 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do that myself, but it's just a huge lack of comfort < 1396644426 259443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i found that presentation a bit one-sided. < 1396644428 21151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on contrary, for some webcomics (not all by far) it's quite convenient to read off-line using a plain image viewer < 1396644478 697253 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *rimshot* < 1396644489 229677 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am looking forward to manga watcher adding custom sites < 1396644490 70673 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually i was iritated by the last bagel, cause its not a moebius bagel < 1396644502 90714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not? < 1396644508 900044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may build a wrapper site for webcomics < 1396644539 159379 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a moebius bagel < 1396644547 937116 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, that's not actually legal < 1396644553 261770 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRvK_07KRV8 < 1396644559 936489 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1396644561 71236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1396644570 687109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a möbius bagel complement < 1396644576 269998 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, but i don't care < 1396644596 64446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a Perl script that watched a web page for a changing image (with crummy parse-HTML-with-regexps rules to detect the current image) and fake a RSS feed entry with a direct link to that image, for webcomics that don't do feeds. < 1396644598 109283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any plans of making it widely accessable < 1396644602 389394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked reasonably well. < 1396644621 399291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, potentially addictive. I presume that 59k is still a fairly low score. < 1396644642 43162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, I found mine, and it was approximately 107383695948381900000. < 1396644656 820865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The five last digits didn't fit in the counter, so it's hard to be sure. < 1396644658 606989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. doubling is a stupid idea. < 1396644686 779973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did take maybe a 15-minute session to rack up that score. < 1396644687 799304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but nevertheless it'll take quite a bit of practice to get that far. I'd rather play 2048) < 1396644691 710212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run logBase 2 107383695948381900000 < 1396644693 149939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 66.54133686351024 < 1396644705 689873 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its not < 1396644719 379843 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a bagel with a double twisted cut < 1396644719 566814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Also, I was playing it with a Wacom tablet back then, which I think made it rather easier. < 1396644740 139558 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is plain wrong < 1396645084 589484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: mobius bagel: http://www.georgehart.com/bagel/bagel.html < 1396645797 639934 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396645863 970619 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396647112 618204 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«b = uicontrol('Style','pushbutton','Units','normalized','Position',[.5 .5 .2 .1],'String','click here');» now b equals .0015. thanks matlab. < 1396647862 859388 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396647863 46212 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396648056 319882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396648144 17024 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396649814 227297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ME-E4100 Advanced Computer Graphics -- The course concludes in a rendering competition -- The winner will be chosen by Eric Tabellion of Dreamworks Animation -- The competition has a main prize of a Geforce GTX TITAN graphics card, courtesy of Nvidia Corporation." < 1396649818 230194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... incentivized. < 1396649836 667156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't think they had anything like that going on when I was doing the related courses.) < 1396649924 159942 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396649957 319739 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396650072 980668 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you know anything about GUIDE? < 1396650353 779528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL facebook wrote their own C preprocessor https://code.facebook.com/posts/476987592402291/under-the-hood-warp-a-fast-c-and-c-preprocessor/ < 1396650471 765187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :skimmed some low-level optimizations it makes use of, but does it do something clever too? < 1396650508 899406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats < 1396650509 599643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1396650518 575949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently clang's is still faster, because it uses SSE4 string ops on x86 < 1396650592 939579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "walter bright wrote a C preprocessor for facebook", even < 1396650604 119746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i know who that is < 1396650609 779441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he created D < 1396650622 559467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a long-time C and C++ compilers guy < 1396650625 589626 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dick joke < 1396650752 169935 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you use a name that MATLAB cannot unambiguously distinguish as a variable inside a parfor-loop, atparse time MATLAB assumes you are referencing a function" i hate this system so much < 1396650954 166003 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyyy is that even different? < 1396651018 759783 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is overloaded to mean function call on functions, or matrix access on variables, because idon't fucking know < 1396651220 258919 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohright, I don’t think you can do matrix access on a literal, either … < 1396651332 60039 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1396651397 79559 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression more like dontneedthatession < 1396651511 160221 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow GUIDE is just like visual basic, jesus christ i haven't used this since middle school < 1396651798 780619 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396653170 759435 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396653398 290103 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396653787 489947 :nooodl_!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396653809 820724 :fcrawl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396653849 420044 :nooodl_!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :fcrawl < 1396654312 621274 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@2605:4d00:0:2::7a QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396654425 269558 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396654471 29333 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396654504 979936 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that GCC's preprocessor is pretty easy to beat on speed though. < 1396654555 875374 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396654673 411485 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396654683 488495 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396654717 250335 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396654754 842202 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396654798 370551 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396655142 299184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396655797 929520 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396656474 430914 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396656643 991211 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396656765 210768 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396658259 110585 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1396658359 189640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396658491 571319 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396658556 771625 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396658556 958255 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Client Quit < 1396659324 829396 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396659579 280225 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe telling a charity telemarketer that I feel like I have too much money is not a good idea... < 1396659584 970706 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was asked for $365 < 1396659623 576526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1396659625 500442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1396659636 409721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you pony up < 1396659649 930000 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made no promises < 1396659772 312551 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396659772 537408 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396659857 483392 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do what I do, and purchase a $1000 monitor. < 1396659884 650628 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no place to put it < 1396659894 340189 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pshaw < 1396660030 499985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what I did, and purchase a $1000 monitor and two $250 monitors < 1396660057 486211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, Sgeo, do you know of http://www.givewell.org/ < 1396660059 569658 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I don't have cause for another monitor. This thing is huge. < 1396660072 747148 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I do < 1396660107 166443 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've donated to them a few times. I did mention that to the telemarketer, who was all 'we have 4 stars on Charity Navigator' < 1396660114 279811 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They do. It's UNICEF) < 1396660143 340161 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered... having less money? < 1396660184 210054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1396660250 70015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you find a way for donating large amounts of money to produce more than a slight and transient easing of guilt, let me know < 1396660265 233137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I probably need to do one thing to be objectively helpful, and another thing to feel good about myself < 1396660334 905570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donating large amounts of money on a regular basis automatically? I plan on trying... well, not sufficiently large amounts, but something like that < 1396660358 720155 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm sure there would be some guilt with any amount <100% < 1396660898 294156 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396661068 340129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/9986166 speeding up an ASCII whitespace scan by a factor of 5 using SSE 4.2 < 1396661071 860883 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396661266 280177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it compare against http://git.musl-libc.org/cgit/musl/tree/src/string/memchr.c ? < 1396661277 940053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1396661291 449980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only looks for a single byte though < 1396661294 571237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can do a set of up to 16 < 1396661331 649897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty gnarly code < 1396661705 461754 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it's more like strspn. < 1396661731 610173 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: apparently I forgot that Rust has macros :/ < 1396661738 351773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396661758 789993 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/224gc0/rust_010_released/cgjpkwh?context=1 < 1396661820 330108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 smoke macros every day < 1396661894 200325 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUST IS NOT A GAME WHERE NAKED MEN MURDER EACH OTHER WITH HATCHETS < 1396661995 10083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1396662077 790367 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a video game entitled "rust" in which player avatars are naked and murder each other with hatchets < 1396662102 209956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Sgeo is lying < 1396662352 446265 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the name of the game is case-sensitive < 1396662402 792299 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://playrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/RustLogo-Normal-Transparent.png it's usually stylized "RUST" though < 1396662419 401149 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i don't know why it looks like that < 1396662624 860880 :Slereah_!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396664087 141375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mozilla/rust/issues/12723 < 1396664358 338566 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396664790 311025 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad, metajack < 1396664823 21155 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396664826 631169 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1396664858 960777 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coughing < 1396664880 171947 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a question < 1396664900 171520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of question? < 1396664902 824659 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how efficient is llvm's alias analysis? < 1396664911 101332 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : a hard one < 1396664920 201889 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficient as in how well does it work, or efficient as in how fast does the analysis itself run < 1396664924 501767 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm not expecting an answer < 1396664931 771928 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well < 1396664996 21491 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly up to what kind of inner loops can it figure out that none of the writes alias any of the reads < 1396665067 835681 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially trying to figure if my architecture concept is never gonna work :D < 1396665129 220923 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly interested in the kind of number crunching loops you get in video games < 1396665160 31065 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :video rendering, sound rendering, physics simulations, floating point stuff < 1396665189 711057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So would you then have instructions dedicated to video, audio, and physics? < 1396665209 531162 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care about the kind of code that's all function calls, hashes, graph parsing, linked lists... that kind of code is generally impossible to accelerate anyways < 1396665225 551397 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: no < 1396665255 571444 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: just an architecture that can run ~8 instances of a loop at the same time < 1396665275 581517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you should need some parallel instructions. < 1396665276 281143 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without multithreading < 1396665310 131539 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's similar to autovectorization but a little more general < 1396665327 41684 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially it adds possibility for feedback loops < 1396665366 41627 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, feedback? how? < 1396665383 301831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In esolang wiki, there is a article called "Checkout" it describes a code for parallel looping, and some other things < 1396665383 861682 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each slice runs 1~2~etc slices after the previous one < 1396665385 711907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jeez, "jmp 3" and "jmp 3f" are not the same instruction at all < 1396665387 167689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping to 0x0000000000000003 considered harmful < 1396665428 471319 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the longest feedback loop takes 1 cycle to propagate (ie some kind of accumulator), then slice 2 runs 1 instruction later than slice 1 < 1396665505 61313 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're doing something like a filter and it takes, say, 10 cycles due to having a couple multiplies in the loop, then slice 2 runs 10 cycles later, slice 3 runs 20 cycles later, slice 4 runs 30 cycles later etc < 1396665595 72032 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably mostly for math heavy DSP kind of code since you can still only do 1 memory read per cycle across all slices < 1396665629 951399 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for really simple cases like an SSE-style aligned block of values < 1396665698 551579 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially you need 7 math ops to do for every 1 memory read < 1396665724 981547 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make it dual-issue then you need 15 math ops for every 1 memory read :D < 1396665800 591761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should then use a "load program" instruction, to load the program into internal memory, and then other instruction set up each execution unit, and then you can make it slice like that to don't interfere with memory access. < 1396665861 10983 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you have to operate on really small data loads < 1396665874 940919 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, cache-size data loads < 1396665888 452504 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like the ps3's cell processor actually < 1396665909 504296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the cache size? < 1396665958 580819 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on how the chip is made < 1396665973 461178 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's definitively under 1 meg < 1396665994 331928 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in the 32k~256k range < 1396666033 311759 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially it becomes a cell processor like on the ps3 < 1396666144 640883 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh jeeze. < 1396666179 201289 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kinda became moot when they figured out how to turn x86 into 8 cores (which is a pretty scary concept tbh) < 1396666352 151169 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, if llvm can figure out that none of the memory reads can alias any of the writes inside a loop, you can autovectorize anything that has predictable flow < 1396666438 222560 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't have something like "half the operations are memory operations" or "feedback loop is as long as the loop itself so the loop is essentially 100% serial", you can probably come out ahead in terms of speed < 1396666649 160993 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kindof an anti-pentium2 < 1396666739 551128 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to be based around the idea that most programs are horrible unoptimizable crudge made out of jumps and memory accesses < 1396666786 231542 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... programs. < 1396666791 531946 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/ Finally. < 1396666807 521156 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fastest cpus are still ultimately based on that design which I guess says something about software... or maybe about how people benchmark them) < 1396667138 631583 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396667273 941009 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like controversial that most programs are made of jumps and memory accesses? < 1396667301 651083 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1396667314 350936 :fcrawl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396667329 871254 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but it's essentially the unoptimizable part of programs < 1396667344 442638 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it has lots of stuff like short dependencies < 1396667362 431539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things in the program could be manually optimized though < 1396667395 801136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanned 100 MB of data for ASCII space characters in about 8 ms < 1396667399 520824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 GB/s ain't bad < 1396667406 381294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's within a factor of 2 of the theoretical max memory bandwidth < 1396668389 525475 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 is one of my favorite numbers now < 1396668406 790829 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. It's a pretty good number < 1396668480 140951 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it (47*x)%256 can be anywhere from 0-255 < 1396668499 370925 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what causes that, 256 and 47 being coprime probably? < 1396668550 992013 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all odd numbers coprime to 256? < 1396668551 831906 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently found this out by making a text to Barely converter < 1396668570 961003 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, yes actually, fuck < 1396668582 820937 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs 4 7 < 1396669585 610850 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396669777 941257 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsa-8 :D < 1396669920 111285 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396670859 770162 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396671184 352286 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396671285 286865 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@c-74-114-78-97.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396671290 646821 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@c-74-114-78-97.netflash.net QUIT :Changing host < 1396671290 833459 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396671769 993263 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396671946 773239 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396672022 341253 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1396672038 391447 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made hello world in barely < 1396672039 541242 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xoooooooooooooohjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjhhhxooooooooxooooooxjjjxjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjxjjjjjjjjhxooooooooooooxooohjjjjhhhxjjjxxjjjjjjjxjjjjjjjhhjhhhhoooooxhoooooooooooooooooooooohjhhhoooooooooooo~ < 1396672208 397307 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and holy shit i made it smaller < 1396672209 93061 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xjhhhhxooooooooxooooooxjjjxhhoohhhhxjjjjjjjjhxooooooooooooxjhhhhxjjjxxjjjjjjjxjjjhhhhhhxjjjjjjjjjjjjjjhhhh~ < 1396672258 590690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a cat is walking on your keyboard < 1396672306 661163 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the kind of asshole who makes hello worlds in languages that dont have them yet < 1396672310 830577 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesnt post them to the wiki < 1396672343 720894 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i have so far: fishstacks and barely < 1396672346 380695 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to make more < 1396672349 770432 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to piss people off < 1396672369 630477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want the instruction set, where, implicit vectorization/out-of-order/pipelining/caching/etc is not allowed. < 1396672420 562361 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mind you, these are all pregenerated tables which i can use to convert text to that lang instantly < 1396672434 501099 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i am not giving to you, because i am an asshole < 1396672557 351088 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : I'm not sure sure that's possible < 1396672570 715566 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : though you can make it really hard :D < 1396672624 370579 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiler that disagrees with you if you do something too complicated < 1396672709 27307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: What do you mean by that? < 1396672717 751140 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1396672732 461357 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without self modifying code you can simply cache the code < 1396672739 380644 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cache the data < 1396672788 117367 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the running core cannot figure out that it got hella cached < 1396672802 41068 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even out-of-ordered < 1396672804 380606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that cache is only accessed by instructions which explicitly access the cache in the certain way. < 1396672844 910781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, the instructions in cache are VLIW which is different from instructions from external memory, is another possibility. < 1396672889 620851 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicit cache I think doesn't gain anything AFAIK < 1396672943 410676 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1396672960 961417 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i dont feel like being an asshole today, here is the conversion table: https://gist.github.com/infinikiller64/9987604 < 1396672973 682488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gains not complicating the execution with not knowing the cache and having to just guess instead, making also the speed confusing... < 1396672973 869150 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: your browser will probably crash < 1396673022 180639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Then put "view-source:" at front, or download using curl, and then the browser might not crash as much. < 1396673034 410431 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1396673034 971244 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.githubusercontent.com/infinikiller64/9987604/raw/07db8ab7a7e64a58e4f2fb3bb957296b5a54f2cf/gistfile1.lua < 1396673054 458209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that one better < 1396673058 584642 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :891.06KB < 1396673095 982096 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :256^2 values < 1396673202 500871 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : it simplifies the design I guess yeah < 1396673205 11040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I think simplicity of the implementation is better than simplicity of the interface, and simplicity is better than completeness, robustness, correctness, sanity, etc. < 1396673233 992710 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to get the kind of RISC speed there's more or less no way around a data and instruction cache < 1396673241 980969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I always want to simplify the design. < 1396673246 701868 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise your speed is going to be on the order of the 386 < 1396673259 561533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not say to eliminate the cache entirely, but to make it explicit-only. < 1396673264 820920 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use pseudo-static ram or some other similar exotic part < 1396673303 541062 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : then you're still going to need 2 RAM banks probably < 1396673317 688948 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for data, one for instructions < 1396673386 590652 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that DRAM has pages :( < 1396673399 630996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There would still be an internal cache, which is also used for microcodes, so in instruction cache it would be VLIW codes < 1396673455 332176 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :opening a new page and reading a value is something like 3 times slower than reading a value from an already open page < 1396673465 842544 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more if you're using more recent DRAM < 1396673530 361688 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pages are something like 512bytes/1k/2k/4k/8k etc depending on DRAM generation/size < 1396673547 571437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could use 8-bits external memory interface, and 128-bits for internal memory interface for cache, so you can deal with arrays of whatever bit size of data, you loaded, and is also for use with VLIW, which has longer instructions than the external one. < 1396673586 86327 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can guzzle picture data from RAM fast enough if your external memory is only 8 bits < 1396673588 371315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It would be OK, as long as, the number of clock cycles is based on a fixed DRAM size/speeds < 1396673739 566303 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your part is a cpu, it's going to mix up accesses to data with accesses to instructions < 1396673751 410840 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're going to have the page-change-penalty every cycle < 1396673764 440580 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, every time you access data actually < 1396673770 410913 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/19990128210124/http://people.netscape.com/brendan/ this is real right? tell me it is < 1396673794 340643 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :function SwapBack() { document.knob.src = Image1.src; return true; } < 1396673817 570727 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i see < 1396673818 131001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: You could have a separate GPU as well, as CPU, so it is possible to write the program in the way to act in parallel; you can also store the data in the cache which you would use mostly often, to increase the speed; and, depending on the way the program is written to use/unuse cache, use self-modifying codes, too. < 1396673821 820449 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :page still loading < 1396673834 440927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly even the program in cache is allowed to modify itself) < 1396673896 540763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-modifying codes should be allowed, as it is very useful. < 1396673911 880958 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced it's worth the complexity < 1396673938 240805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you store the value of a variable in an immediate operand, then you can avoid a page penalty. < 1396673941 121721 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not enough jquery < 1396673953 960523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also avoid a memory access, too.) < 1396673964 542207 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's still a memory access < 1396673990 449446 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and later on when you're pipelining your architecture, you're in deep trouble < 1396674042 60673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some instruction sets don't have pipeline stalls, so it avoids that problem; you then need to program them yourself. < 1396674083 470813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also, tell it to copy it to the cache and then tell it to read/write cache and execute instruction in a cache, is another way speeding it up a bit. < 1396674084 170630 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really hard to avoid pipeline stalls < 1396674096 472465 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have cache you have pipeline stalls < 1396674115 731522 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have branch prediction you have pipeline flushes < 1396674116 810772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why, it has to be explicit-only cache. < 1396674146 497031 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have something like load reg, [reg + 5] < 1396674153 612598 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have pipeline stalls < 1396674156 643239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use it wrong, you are subject to the consequences by yourself. < 1396674177 920736 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if the reg in [reg + 5] changes the cycle before, you have to catch that < 1396674241 10701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: The program would be written to avoid that if you want it to use the register that changes in the cycle before. < 1396674280 746011 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your program has extra nops every time some other useful instruction can't be swapped in < 1396674314 521076 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extra nops take up extra code cache which makes the thing slower < 1396674315 321396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does, but if you don't have another useful instruction to put in, then be careful maybe you wrote your program badly and there might be a way to fix it. < 1396674325 640736 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396674332 57686 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the kind of algo < 1396674349 460615 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's number crunching stuff then usually there's something you can stuff in yes < 1396674367 232645 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's like, zip decompression or something nasty like that... god have mercy on you < 1396674374 710766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, my suggestion was that, the instruction cache would be VLIW, so different than the instruction set used for executing external memory anyways < 1396674405 477551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It would execute microcode ROM if the instruction cache is not being executed.) < 1396674450 480878 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess vliw would be ok if you had a way to switch to some less efficient instruction set < 1396674466 645370 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like non-number-crunching code < 1396674488 380891 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you're going to do lots of memory accesses anyways so there's no point to having 6 ALUs < 1396674517 100768 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then for that one hand-optimized crunching loop, use the VLIW mode < 1396674529 696086 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the page finnaly loaded and xD < 1396674538 821988 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1396674573 930479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the program isn't in cache, it would use a less efficieint instruction set. Otherwise, if it is in the cache, you would need to implement your own instruction set that the program in microcode RAM runs from the rest of the cache. < 1396674620 290459 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially this is what the ARM does with the THUMB vs ARM < 1396674669 380456 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thumb is 16 bits which limits the number of ram cycles you lose to loading in the stuff < 1396674760 690725 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you could probably just have a VLIW that has a choice between 1 big VLIW instruction word, or an instruction word that encodes multiple one-cycle instructions < 1396674849 312411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that is another possibility < 1396674946 700307 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to find a good balance in this kinda thing :D < 1396675028 181429 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimal instruction is somewhere between 16 and 32 bits AFAIK < 1396675062 390693 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than 16 and it's too small, not enough bits for the register selection < 1396675088 703011 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you need too much granularity in your instruction word shifter < 1396675196 760729 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than 32 and you're probably wasting too much instruction cache space, unless it's VLIW and you're packing more than one instruction per word... < 1396675205 760613 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK this was a major problem on itanium < 1396675257 690612 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if your cpu is dual issue that is kinda equivalent-ish to making your instructions 64bits < 1396675359 431114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "dual issue" mean? < 1396675367 866949 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two instructions per cycle < 1396675403 577 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: intel pentium, ARM A8 (used on lots of older iphones), one MIPS generation (can't remember which) < 1396675415 687132 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was also one of the 68k that was designed like that < 1396675434 140487 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it's one of the cpu design "sweet spots" < 1396675466 937247 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than 2 and you're running 1 instruction per cycle... and essentially twice as slow < 1396675485 100573 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@72-161-15-177.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396675505 211645 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than 2 and chances are you're going to need crazy stuff like out of order execution to make it any faster than 2 instructions per cycle < 1396675519 981947 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I guess the IBM POWER6 did it) < 1396675520 260997 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396675555 977222 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396675559 110457 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it really depends on the type of program, I'm sure you can do a lot more in-order if your programs are number crunching or floating point) < 1396675687 970595 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it all comes down to "what kind of game is going to run on it" :D < 1396675809 270679 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396675863 260699 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general problem with a VLIW is to make it faster than a well designed RISC < 1396675916 861152 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie "pay for" your large instructions by figuring out stuff for your CPU to do in the leftover slots < 1396675996 591716 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this fails, the RISC is faster than you because it needs less code cache < 1396676137 992618 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally the stuff that reduces your gains are stuff like < 1396676152 360840 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- ram/cache read ports < 1396676167 830630 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- register file read/write ports < 1396676259 760623 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- absolute latencies in instruction processing, which can also be described as "lack of number crunching to do while working on the critical-latency-path" < 1396676497 360734 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that being said, gfx and sound rendering are more or less the ideal case for finding stuff that won't fall into these limits and will actually benefit from VLIW or similar stuff like SIMD < 1396676535 450414 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone still have barely.asm? < 1396676541 340614 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :link b bork < 1396676785 10828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396676996 680845 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (sequence [(!! 1), 2 + 2]) < 1396676996 867996 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1396676997 54507 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable fix < 1396676998 20816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1396676998 207485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M688017572578786861922522.show_M6880175725787868619... < 1396676998 207651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1396676998 207747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1396676998 207842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1396677022 370490 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1396677024 750954 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dat spam < 1396677026 440998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run fix (sequence [(!! 1), 2 + 2]) :: [Int] < 1396677027 701043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num ([GHC.Types.Int] -> GHC.Types.Int)) < 1396677027 887724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `GHC.Num.+' < 1396677027 887887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: < 1396677027 887985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for < 1396677027 888079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Num.Num ([GHC.Types.Int] -> GHC.Types.Int)) < 1396677034 330766 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1396677053 160610 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1396677056 352789 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396677056 539437 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396677066 390554 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run fix (sequence [(!! 1), (2 +)]) < 1396677067 510573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = [a0] < 1396677068 207390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [a0] -> a0 < 1396677068 207611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: [a0] -> [a0] < 1396677069 860510 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to recreate something similar to the loeb example < 1396677088 992389 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With just reader monad + fix < 1396677275 93809 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence [(!! 1), const (2 + 2)] < 1396677276 300515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => [a] -> [a] < 1396677284 100884 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run fix $ sequence [(!! 1), const (2 + 2)] < 1396677285 430696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [4,4] < 1396677296 330682 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run fix $ sequence [ (!!5), const 3, liftM2 (+) (!!0) (!!1), (*2) . (!!2), length, const 17 ] < 1396677297 620847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [17,3,20,40,6,17] < 1396677335 701753 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let loeb :: [[a] -> a] -> [a]; loeb = fix . sequence < 1396677337 191036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1396677366 631276 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1396677372 70605 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the standard defintion of loeb, is it? < 1396677372 257348 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix . sequence < 1396677373 262091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[a] -> a] -> [a] < 1396677394 917816 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type looked more general than that, but sequence is constraining it < 1396677429 930003 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let loeb x = ($ loeb x) <$> x in loeb < 1396677430 923345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (f b -> b) -> f b < 1396677466 390520 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix . sequenceA < 1396677467 380668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `sequenceA' < 1396677467 567418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1396677467 567617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `T.sequenceA' (imported from Data.Traversable), < 1396677472 262769 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix . T.sequenceA < 1396677473 281210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traversable t => t (t a -> a) -> t a < 1396677529 530622 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl loeb x = ($ loeb x) <$> x -- trivial fix < 1396677529 810507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :loeb = fix ((<$>) . flip id =<<) < 1396677612 940599 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fundefine < 1396677613 220658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1396677627 720724 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let loeb = fix (fmap.flip id =<<) < 1396677628 514162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:142:13: < 1396677629 107883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Functor f0) arising from a use of `fmap' < 1396677629 108083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `f0' is ambiguous < 1396677629 108239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1396677629 108340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1396677678 621238 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let loeb :: Functor f => f (f b -> b) -> f b; loeb = fix (fmap.flip id =<<) < 1396677679 961605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1396677855 270825 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1396678522 781707 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396679158 321523 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396679293 780659 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t loeb < 1396679294 890675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (f b -> b) -> f b < 1396679338 750750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> loeb Just (\Just x -> x) < 1396679338 937395 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1396679339 124300 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable loeb < 1396679339 730820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Constructor `Data.Maybe.Just' should have 1 argument, but has been given none < 1396679358 930754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> loeb Just (\(Just x) -> x) < 1396679359 117966 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1396679359 727390 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable loeb < 1396679360 30914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `Data.Maybe.Maybe (Data.Maybe.Maybe t0 -> t0)' < 1396679360 217830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `((Data.Maybe.Maybe t0 -> t0) -> b0) -> b0' < 1396679360 218097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (Data.Maybe.Maybe t0 -> t0) < 1396679360 218194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ((Data.Maybe.Maybe t0 -> t0) -> b0) -> b0 < 1396679360 218289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (Data.Maybe.Maybe t0 -> t0) < 1396679651 211306 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run loeb $ Just fromJust < 1396679654 962754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1396679684 170897 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fun :: (Functor f, Functor g) => f -> g -> (f b -> b) -> f b -> g b; fun f g x = f ( g x) in fun Just Just (\(Just x) -> x) 9 < 1396679684 357565 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9: error: expected: "=" < 1396679684 544555 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let fun :: (Functor f, Functor g) => f -> g -> (f b -> b) -> f b -> g b; fun > < 1396679684 544744 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1396679685 298229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expecting one more argument to `f' < 1396679692 560905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- what's wrong with that? < 1396679714 21219 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything < 1396679763 709934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let bar :: Functor f => f -> a -> f a; bar f x = f x in (bar Just) 9 < 1396679763 933150 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9: error: expected: "=" < 1396679763 933305 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let bar :: Functor f => f -> a -> f a; bar f x = f x in (bar Just) 9 < 1396679763 933405 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1396679764 860627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expecting one more argument to `f' < 1396679776 650680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1396679795 40879 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run let fun :: (Functor f, Functor g) => (a -> f a) -> (a -> g a) -> (f a -> a) -> f a -> g a; fun f g x = f (g x) in fun Just (:[]) (\(Just x) -> x) (Just 9) < 1396679796 362684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (a ~ g a) < 1396679796 589495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Base.Functor f, GHC.Base.Functor g) < 1396679796 589666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the type signature for < 1396679796 589762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : fun :: (GHC.Base.Functor f, GHC.Base.Functor g) => < 1396679796 589855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (a -> f a) -> (a -> g a) -> (f a -> a) -> f a -> g a < 1396679820 940650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let bar :: Functor f => (a -> f a) -> a -> f a; bar f x = f x in (bar Just) 9 < 1396679821 127694 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9: error: expected: "=" < 1396679821 314344 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let bar :: Functor f => (a -> f a) -> a -> f a; bar f x = f x in (bar Just) 9<> < 1396679821 314569 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1396679822 170839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 9 < 1396679831 257290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. I see the problem. < 1396679835 592879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1396679873 380717 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run id Just 9 < 1396679874 407420 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396679874 594209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 9 < 1396679977 941302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run return 9 :: Maybe Int < 1396679979 497352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 9 < 1396680196 241089 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run id (Just 9) == (id Just) 9 < 1396680197 441125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1396680511 66901 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396681475 636162 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-177-251.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1396684489 714574 :trolly!~trolly@91.223.28.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396684956 585867 :trolly!~trolly@91.223.28.83 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396685669 304206 :sgelios!~sgelios@91.223.28.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396685855 484436 :Slereah_!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396686308 337834 :sgelios!~sgelios@91.223.28.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396687030 546295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, is Brainfuck/Ook commonly used in goecaching circles? This geocaching tool I stumbled upon while looking for something else -- http://gcc.eisbehr.de/features.html -- lists conversions between text, Brainfuck and Ook among its features. < 1396687086 204998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396687087 783511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also an absolutely ludicrous list of non-eso things.) < 1396687181 464831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yogscast is getting pretty huge < 1396688176 685650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run length . nub . take 128 . flip iterate 1 $ \x -> (x*47) `mod` 256 < 1396688177 984051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 < 1396688193 430283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1396688271 614679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run nub [length . nub . take 256 . flip iterate 1 $ \x -> (x*n) `mod` 256) | n <- [0..255]] < 1396688272 874000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:70: parse error on input `)' < 1396688282 504095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run nub [length . nub . take 256 . flip iterate 1 $ \x -> (x*n) `mod` 256 | n <- [0..255]] < 1396688283 886470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,9,64,5,32,4,16,3,8] < 1396688322 914015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none 128, so not cyclic < 1396688367 545353 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 355/3 < 1396688367 545554 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04118.33333333333333 : 12Float < 1396688368 483935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 118.33333333333333 < 1396688374 313965 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 255/3 < 1396688375 615993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 85.0 < 1396688463 444389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why is there no 7 i there < 1396688468 685600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 7 < 1396688472 876091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or 6 < 1396688483 113960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right < 1396688548 3294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run nubBy ((==) `on` snd) [(n, length . nub . take 256 . flip iterate 1 $ \x -> (x*n) `mod` 256) | n <- [0..255]] < 1396688549 408548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,2),(1,1),(2,9),(3,64),(4,5),(7,32),(8,4),(15,16),(16,3),(31,8)] < 1396688620 295981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run nubBy ((==) `on` snd) [(n, length . nub . take 256 . flip iterate 1 $ \x -> (x*n) `mod` 256) | n <- [1, 3..255]] < 1396688621 474474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,1),(3,64),(7,32),(15,16),(31,8),(63,4),(127,2)] < 1396688697 480714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nub nub nub. < 1396688743 488845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396688803 894678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run last . sort . nub . take 256 . flip iterate 1 $ \x -> (x*3) `mod` 256) < 1396688805 14547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:70: parse error on input `)' < 1396688809 454159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run last . sort . nub . take 256 . flip iterate 1 $ \x -> (x*3) `mod` 256 < 1396688810 704516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 251 < 1396688842 315845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so 3 and 255 are summand generators < 1396688919 140557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run sort . nub . take 256 . flip iterate 1 $ \x -> (x*3) `mod` 256 < 1396688919 921309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,9,11,17,19,25,27,33,35,41,43,49,51,57,59,65,67,73,75,81,83,89,91,97,99,... < 1396689026 191551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep wanting you to write \x -> (x*n) `mod` 256 as flip mod 256 . (n*) instead, because it has less pokey bits. < 1396689122 864046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pretty clearly decided against making that pointfree at one point. < 1396689244 825282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run nubBy ((==) `on` snd) [(n, length . nub . take 256 $ iterate (n*) 1 ) | n <- [0..255 :: Word8]] -- another option < 1396689245 946060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,2),(1,1),(2,9),(3,64),(4,5),(7,32),(8,4),(15,16),(16,3),(31,8)] < 1396690207 652588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort . nub -> head . group . sort < 1396690218 815033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1396690220 414469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :map had < 1396690230 651855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up. < 1396690302 627654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, longer < 1396690330 750969 :ski!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1396690343 94080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wasn't in the inner loop < 1396690354 434466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1396691000 492916 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396691029 339841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do that habitually; I usually get it right the first time, too, when actually coding. < 1396691051 716948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should have an nubOrd helper instead. < 1396691310 251124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run id * 3 `mod` 256 $ 123 -- I forgot whether this is still in lambdabot. < 1396691311 715109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1396691311 906329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M826470610663680039923602.show_M8264706106636800399... < 1396691311 906490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1396691311 906635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1396691311 906726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1396691335 170111 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 0 0 :: Integer < 1396691336 276052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num a0) arising from the literal `0' < 1396691336 467432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1396691336 467578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1396691336 467671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1396691336 467767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : instance GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Double < 1396691349 556717 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (0 :: Integer -> Integer) 0 < 1396691350 676345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num < 1396691350 871273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Integer.Type.Integer -> GHC.Integer.Type.Integer)) < 1396691350 871413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `0' < 1396691350 871508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: < 1396691350 871600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for < 1396691355 484540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when Cale ran it, there used to be a Num a => Num (r -> a) instance, acting pointwise < 1396691358 501370 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1396691384 961532 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances Num < 1396691385 672087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double, Float, Int, Integer < 1396691395 52645 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances-importing Num < 1396691395 757037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double, Float, Int, Integer < 1396691397 428086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that, also when it was removed < 1396691419 786887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really irritating if you make a mistake in numeric code somewhere, but id * const k `mod` 256 would be kind of cool. < 1396691423 344243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help instances-importing < 1396691423 640700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instances-importing [ [ [. Fetch the instances of a typeclass, importing specified modules first. < 1396691441 78906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i think that requires the module list to do anything different < 1396691485 305246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ironically it's longer than \x -> x * k `mod` 256) < 1396691510 83360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah function instances confuse matters, which is why i was surprised they added the monadic ones by default to ghci lately < 1396691787 265567 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396691904 442939 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (ap, ap.ap, ap.ap.ap, ap.ap.ap.ap) < 1396691905 660389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable1 m0) < 1396691905 854569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M431492159472810415423670.show_M4314921594728104154... < 1396691905 854711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `m0' is ambiguous < 1396691905 854807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1396691905 854898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1396691910 947341 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (ap, ap.ap, ap.ap.ap, ap.ap.ap.ap) < 1396691911 784614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b, (a1 -> a2 -> b1) -> ((a1 -> a2) -> a1) -> (a1 -> a2) -> b1, (a3 -> a4 -> b2) -> (((a3 -> a4) -> a3) -> a3 -> a4) -> ((a3 -> a4) -> a3) -> b2, (a5 -> a6 -> b3) -> ((((a5 -> a6) -> a5) -> a5 -> a6) -> (a5 -> a6) -> a5) -> (((a5 -> a6) -> a5) -> a5 -> a6) -> b3) < 1396692082 845620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap`fmap`ap`fmap`ap`fmap`ap < 1396692083 687044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a1 -> b) -> ((((a -> a1) -> a) -> a -> a1) -> (a -> a1) -> a) -> (((a -> a1) -> a) -> a -> a1) -> b < 1396692305 492143 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run length.show.typeOf $ ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap $ (undefined :: ()->()->()) < 1396692306 699436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1044 < 1396692310 151004 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run length.show.typeOf $ ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap.ap $ (undefined :: ()->()->()) < 1396692311 212753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1688 < 1396692330 827834 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 1688/1044 - (1+sqrt 5)/2 < 1396692332 150290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.1757512020020844e-3 < 1396692468 116573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1396692508 674573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you can get the type of the next one with a fibonacci substitution on the previous? < 1396692542 109761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> ap . f < 1396692543 130505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> m (a1 -> b)) -> a -> m a1 -> m b < 1396692546 481961 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where phi < 1396692546 681690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about phi. < 1396692564 452496 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good way of deriving the golden ration IMO < 1396692613 359467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the b only occurs once above < 1396692624 427115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396692644 152182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> ap . ($) . f < 1396692644 987078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a2 -> a1 -> b) -> a -> (a2 -> a1) -> a2 -> b < 1396692740 98143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed that's a fibonacci substitution < 1396692891 394513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a2 becomes a2 -> a1, a1 becomes a2 < 1396693079 334164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap.($) < 1396693080 297974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a1 -> a -> b) -> (a1 -> a) -> a1 -> b < 1396693095 449395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($) < 1396693096 276431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> a -> b < 1396693131 615166 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (ap .) < 1396693132 604180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> m (a1 -> b)) -> a -> m a1 -> m b < 1396693171 633957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i added the ($) to force the function instance < 1396693193 542842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1396693201 237823 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (\(a,b,c,d) -> printf "%s -> %s -> %s -> %s" a b c d) <$> unfoldr (\e@(a,b,c,d) -> Just (e, (a, printf "(%s -> %s)" b c, b, d))) ("(a -> b -> c)", "(a -> b)", "a", "c") :: [String] < 1396693203 315513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["(a -> b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c","(a -> b -> c) -> ((a -> b) -> a) -> ... < 1396693255 743094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x y z -> x y z < 1396693257 202258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t1 -> t2 -> t) -> t1 -> t2 -> t < 1396693264 885296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the base case, sort of < 1396693297 228571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is of course a refinement of ($)'s type < 1396693301 817239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and id) < 1396693343 969510 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (12+) . sum <$> unfoldr (\e@[a,b,c,d] -> Just (e, [a, 6+b+c, b, d])) $ length <$> ["(a -> b -> c)", "(a -> b)", "a", "c"] < 1396693345 185813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Types.Int]) < 1396693345 391320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `GHC.Num.+' < 1396693345 391486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: < 1396693345 391581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Types.Int]) < 1396693370 78275 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run unfoldr (\e@[a,b,c,d] -> Just (12 + sum e, [a, 6+b+c, b, d])) $ length <$> ["(a -> b -> c)", "(a -> b)", "a", "c"] < 1396693371 68499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [35,49,70,105,161,252,399,637,1022,1645,2653,4284,6923,11193,18102,29281,473... < 1396693446 610927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run typeOf (undefined:()->()->()) < 1396693447 621517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pattern syntax in expression context: undefined : () -> () -> () < 1396693453 852876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run typeOf (undefined::()->()->()) < 1396693455 105977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : () -> () -> () < 1396693466 489586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run typeOf ap.(undefined::()->()->()) < 1396693467 610569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `(() -> ()) -> c0' < 1396693467 806220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Data.Typeable.Internal.TypeRep' < 1396693475 727574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run typeOf $ ap.(undefined::()->()->()) < 1396693476 852337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `()' with `a0 -> b0' < 1396693477 50769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: () -> () -> a0 -> b0 < 1396693477 50928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: () -> () -> () < 1396693483 464628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1396693496 651010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run typeOf $ ap$(undefined::()->()->()) < 1396693497 900946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (() -> ()) -> () -> () < 1396693503 381078 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function instances. < 1396693611 709642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap f x y = f y (x y), which shows you get a fibonacci on the term level too < 1396693676 145421 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1396693677 985217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (ap.ap.ap) (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) a b < 1396693679 304197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `((Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr < 1396693679 495587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr) < 1396693679 495753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr) < 1396693679 495848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr -> Debug.Simp... < 1396693679 495943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr'Couldn't match t... < 1396693682 862101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1396693687 283292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (ap.ap.ap) (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) g h < 1396693688 674854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1396693688 882478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr) < 1396693688 882648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.g' < 1396693688 882799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: < 1396693689 307160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for < 1396693699 476510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (ap.ap.ap) (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) g h :: Expr < 1396693700 800372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1396693701 1362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr) < 1396693701 1526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.g' < 1396693701 1635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: < 1396693701 1730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for < 1396693708 465726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (g,h) < 1396693709 520231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FromExpr t, FromExpr t1) => (t, t1) < 1396693735 880438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap.ap.ap < 1396693736 985941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a1 -> b) -> (((a -> a1) -> a) -> a -> a1) -> ((a -> a1) -> a) -> b < 1396693781 462133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (ap.ap.ap) (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) < 1396693783 568097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1396693785 584862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1396693785 783040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr) < 1396693787 566472 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M723199156154611174123930.show_M7231991561546111741... < 1396693789 597824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: < 1396693791 717876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for < 1396693793 590318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (ap.ap.ap) (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) < 1396693794 564170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((Expr -> Expr) -> Expr) -> Expr -> Expr) -> ((Expr -> Expr) -> Expr) -> Expr < 1396693817 41299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run g :: Expr < 1396693818 408658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : g < 1396693829 39737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run g (h :: Expr) :: Expr < 1396693832 717300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : g h < 1396693869 843994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run (ap.ap) (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) g h :: Expr < 1396693872 225310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable < 1396693872 225505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr) < 1396693872 225606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.g' < 1396693872 225702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: < 1396693872 225796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : add an instance declaration for < 1396693878 663784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run ap (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) g h :: Expr < 1396693879 729970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f h (g h) < 1396693888 76246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that works... < 1396693914 15476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (ap.ap) (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) g h :: Expr < 1396693914 914175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Typeable Expr) arising from a use of `g' < 1396693915 112113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (Typeable Expr) < 1396693915 112307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of `ap . ap', namely `g' < 1396693932 713930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is going horribly wrong in the typechecking < 1396693945 651550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f.($) < 1396693946 500790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Typeable a, Typeable b, FromExpr c) => (a -> b) -> c < 1396693987 183287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f.($)$g.($) < 1396693988 299284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Typeable b0) arising from a use of `f' < 1396693988 496630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (FromExpr c) < 1396693988 496801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of it :: FromExpr c => c at Top level < 1396694046 489382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f.id < 1396694047 471008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Show b, FromExpr c) => b -> c < 1396694067 42250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right < 1396694100 887350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot actually show FromExpr values that aren't fully applied < 1396694111 506168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which some of the subexpressions will be < 1396694159 576111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the Expr trick doesn't work with higher-order functions < 1396694545 778230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. a challenge? :) < 1396694639 566933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari < 1396694643 122456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1396694657 184281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION somehow pressed return instead of tab < 1396694724 615420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> f.id :: Expr -> Expr ---> \x -> f x < 1396694765 609453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, f :: Expr -> Expr -> Expr becomes \x -> \x -> f x x ;-) < 1396694766 35803 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (ap.ap.ap) ?f ?g ?h < 1396694766 902301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?f::a -> a1 -> b, ?g::((a -> a1) -> a) -> a -> a1, ?h::(a -> a1) -> a) => b < 1396694788 637638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's (Expr -> Expr) -> Expr which becomes the problem < 1396694811 744367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but perhaps showsPrec can be abused to make instance Show a => Show (Expr -> a) where show f = "\\x -> " ++ show (f x) use different variables) < 1396694820 200897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, there are limits. < 1396694867 406182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to pursue this seriously < 1396694868 725093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, my examples don't actually give lambdas. < 1396694971 500357 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :show f = show (['x':show n|n<-[0..]], f); instance Show a => Show ([String], Expr -> a) where show (v:vs, f) = "\\" ++ v ++ " -> " ++ show (vs, f $ var v) < 1396695070 636404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly one would end up with horrible things like instance (Witness a, Show b) => Show (a -> b) where show f = let w = witness in "\\" ++ show w ++ " -> " ++ show (f witness), plus some hackery to get identifiers. < 1396695247 877135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Witness (a -> b) => Show (a -> b) where show = witness 0 < 1396695290 924736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1396695311 712204 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396695363 383174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: shall i ban you for not noticing that everyone else is using @run twh < 1396695444 215185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "no" < 1396695444 215370 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"no" : 12String < 1396695444 980292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "no" < 1396695515 204533 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am thinking about making "indecision" a disadvantage for my rogue, but i'm not really sure if i want to < 1396695537 991083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i am thinking about making "indecision" a disadvantage for my rogue, but i'm not really sure if i want to < 1396695539 589836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1182) i am thinking about making "indecision" a disadvantage for my rogue, but i'm not really sure if i want to < 1396695546 202334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i was baited. < 1396695573 564425 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that much < 1396695611 68494 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that situation actually stands < 1396695639 386509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right ... "I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure." < 1396695648 405058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder who came up with this.) < 1396695649 426865 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1396695692 136947 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody has good ideas for quirks which donkt hurt that much? < 1396695699 676548 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1396695720 928792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *is* a good weakness. "There is a cop. Should I run or hide? In the meantime I can just stand here and look suspicious." < 1396695727 232547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go with the typo and say "were-donkey" < 1396695924 334415 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396695944 133217 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, it may be *too* good < 1396695977 11747 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you want to survive < 1396695983 850530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can you be sure about that? < 1396696034 787749 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a player i'd like my character to be alive most of the time < 1396696090 799809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but such a character could be lots of fun ... as long as it lasts. < 1396696110 931877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do understand your concerns. < 1396696609 387530 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1396696618 770605 :Patashu!Nikolaos@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396696902 823274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Control.Monad> (ap.ap.ap) (f::Expr->Expr->Expr) < 1396696903 54338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\abb -> \aa -> f aa abb < 1396696982 457578 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/iMUg?haskell (not perfect, but now it stops being fun) < 1396697144 656256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually I have no clue what I did there, semantically) < 1396697256 426371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :best I can tell the witnesses are now Skolem functions with all their arguments implicit. Hah. < 1396697274 248796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly that's very useful. < 1396697294 867874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially because their names clash, too.) < 1396697416 497324 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396697851 844797 :fcrawl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396697893 937974 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396697944 287848 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good international boardgaming day morning! < 1396698100 954848 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1396698452 704444 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! < 1396698502 863314 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to move my computer < 1396698509 768304 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having it here is giving me a sore back < 1396698882 660238 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396699009 494953 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :3SUM purportedly in o(n^2): http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.0799 < 1396699547 501022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wtf < 1396699892 171110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: interesting. < 1396700005 603080 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396702118 279523 :Patashu!Nikolaos@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396702600 354775 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2xYjiL8yyE < 1396702603 492651 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396702606 54913 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck's sake hart, get your shit together < 1396702933 373938 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396702948 274421 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396703111 869878 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that video was introductionarily interesting, lightly brushing against the Uncountability of the Reals. < 1396703129 721482 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just wrong < 1396703167 91470 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sam hughes wrote a better explanation: http://qntm.org/trollpi < 1396703205 587991 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S NOT WROOOOONG! < 1396703208 631684 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all it comes down to is that when you take the limit of a sequence of curves that limit doesn't have to share any properties with the curves in the sequence < 1396703334 800011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Vi Hart is pop maths. It's for viewerships, not correctness < 1396703365 23767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right but it's not incorrect in a 'lies-to-children' sense, it's incorrect in the sense that it just leads viewers down the garden path. < 1396703444 652974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to the barn fell of doom < 1396703540 951481 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What really annoys me about Vi Hart is her video about Flexagons came out a day after I decided to make some < 1396703615 619689 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1396703634 621728 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bastard! < 1396703658 156985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now imagines gingerbread flexagons. and probably should eat. < 1396703664 473616 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to make a flexagon < 1396703715 979556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not out of gingerbread < 1396703824 691790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubik%27s_Magic hmm < 1396703881 979170 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can one make flexible gingerbread? < 1396703947 464622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily! < 1396703965 421691 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1396703986 169193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i c wut you did thar < 1396704005 77737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*munch* what? < 1396704024 968787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what annoys me about vihart is that my friends got a private concert from her on joco cruise crazy 1 and i couldn't go :( < 1396704028 900314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh the barn fell? < 1396704111 53658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i dunno do i look like a baker < 1396704179 144486 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are oerjan. maybe you are a baker. maybe not. hth. < 1396704278 684233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1396704816 278266 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like like a charlie to me < 1396704821 574645 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :charlie fox < 1396704825 14739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :trot < 1396705236 194369 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-- - ..-. ..--.. < 1396705272 278157 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooo not the morse code .-. < 1396705374 431096 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Morse Code is the Future! < 1396705387 692807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.--.-..--..-.--.-..-.--..--.-..- < 1396705390 737723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future is the past < 1396705409 28551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is morse code prefix-free? < 1396705433 467190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the word is < 1396705438 179501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1396705461 288800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats dumb < 1396705475 602994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses separating pauses < 1396705490 689172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, it's like designed to be decoded by humans. < 1396705494 135052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so three symbols < 1396705513 261081 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans could decipher a pauseless stream with practice! < 1396705516 730803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and transmit it too! < 1396705529 174434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1396705690 939637 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without humans in the way, communication would be much easier. < 1396705705 672582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396706136 875116 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1396706492 197477 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396706689 639989 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BOARDGAMING CHICKEN! < 1396707088 955539 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396707317 364096 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhi < 1396707542 814472 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it normal for a Haskell question to go unanswered on SO this long? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22851565/getting-input-into-netwire-programs < 1396707612 173123 :shikhi!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1396707960 606716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not about a very widely used library afaik < 1396708090 943410 :Lola!~canaima@190.142.156.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396708152 723688 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: sorry! < 1396708202 119333 :Lola!~canaima@190.142.156.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoooola < 1396708238 402992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido Lola < 1396708239 167050 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lola: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1396708358 416500 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396708419 323146 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396708588 56738 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :tertu < 1396708599 264544 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 NICK :ter2 < 1396708615 645988 :Lola!~canaima@190.142.156.112 PART :#esoteric < 1396708885 288847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't bother welcoming ~canaima < 1396708898 781053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the spanish people of the past N months are just one person. < 1396708904 781626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e does seem familiar < 1396708908 423999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact we should just set a ban or something. it's silly. < 1396708945 271867 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ban all the users < 1396709357 785881 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396709392 276478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Omelette du fromage < 1396710212 994914 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1396710279 168312 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396710704 891680 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-ircslave: let x = 1 :: x in x < 1396710705 303329 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:14:When elaborating argument 13val to constructor 04Delay: < 1396710705 744335 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable x < 1396711044 304827 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396711557 29571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :notregistered < 1396711570 277942 :notregistered!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :int-e < 1396711680 6085 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396711693 546891 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396711897 791976 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396711906 425017 :fcrawl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs test < 1396711908 505883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastelogs: line 2: cd: /var/irclogs/_esoteric: No such file or directory \ grep: ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22298 < 1396711915 958177 :fcrawl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd this break!! < 1396711953 811188 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such file or directory < 1396711956 723605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1396711993 303440 :fcrawl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo just doesn't keep have logs anymore? < 1396711995 894139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik, hackego moved and the logs are now stored elsewhere < 1396712019 575017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :While previously they were on the same machine. But I don't know for sure. < 1396712628 130481 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396714340 434478 :fcrawl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396714560 553524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is my impression, too. < 1396714567 13586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm a bit late. < 1396714621 23418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just so you know, I have made the opcode generator into an opcode quiz, as per your suggestion. (Just need to collect data for a couple more architectures before making it public.) < 1396714720 382685 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396715021 479675 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it the Label Ersatz Generator; name the quiz "ARM or LEG?" Add some Thumb to throw people off. < 1396715159 779031 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(People who pass are True Opcode Experts.) < 1396715164 631156 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396715275 645211 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396715653 438654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"incorrect; opcode HW_LD/PAWQVL is real" man, Alpha is hard. < 1396715721 94372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1396715743 335246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not in the web yet. I only have x86 and Alpha in it. < 1396715794 311860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's missing "share your score in Facebook/Google+/Twitter" buttons, which were something I was thinking of "ironically" adding. < 1396715798 995940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to figure out where the ARM opcodes are in this GNU binutils GDB checkout.) < 1396715963 484163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to be somewhat complicatedly in it, due to having some structure programmatically constructed. < 1396716365 215059 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396717524 686446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program a quiz using Internet Quiz Engine. It work better, and is faster, too. < 1396717592 212450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And simpler. < 1396717629 811059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet, it includes a few extra commands for feature such as arithmetics and a few others. < 1396717657 485464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did I ever show you http://ugcs.net/~keegan/complexity.html < 1396717885 842995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I saw that. < 1396717904 832589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Internet Quiz Engine will probably not be able to generate fake opcodes from n-gram models, will it? < 1396717988 495381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That feature is not included yet, although you can pregenerate the data. Currently, there is not the program to allow manipulation of Internet Quiz Engine files using SQL, sorry. < 1396718061 627685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, it is currently possible to manipulate them using AWK, so you can use that.) < 1396718311 778995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've already written this thing. < 1396718399 11161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently IQE has no features for any kind of string manipulation at all, actually; only arithmetics and conditions are supported (although, there is timer support, multiple selection support, percentages, and some other things like that). There are no kinds of backward flow control at all, so loops are impossible. < 1396718589 327445 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396719343 310838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Here, you can have a preliminary-ish look at http://zem.fi/2014-04-05-opquiz -- though I'm going to have to go to do some sauna things real soon. < 1396719469 326621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wonder if I should really add those score-share buttons.) < 1396719959 232423 :bekirov!~bekirov@91.212.45.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396720932 184556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not working OK. < 1396721352 358318 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1396721375 958996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, github. why don't forks have their own issue trackers, and why can't I merge an upstream pull request to my own fork using their frontend? < 1396721479 586907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked at (but not used) the Fossil system, which is said to be simpler than Git. Fossil is a SQL-based system, implemented as a single C program. I do not know if it can solve those problem or not. < 1396721693 781763 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396721753 873092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because I have no issues with git itself. < 1396721859 64280 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396721919 772525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could move it to a system other than Github, even if it is still git-based system, though. < 1396722167 203193 :S1!~chatzilla@pD9FCA151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1396722458 337325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396722882 40673 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396723401 981723 :bekirov!~bekirov@91.212.45.14 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396725812 435762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Re the complexity class game, I would've wanted to have similar short descriptions of the (real) instructions, but those would've been less simple to extract. (And I guess also the entire list would be much larger.) < 1396725989 62476 :nooodl_!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396726056 171677 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396726238 821640 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396726255 892990 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396726452 232841 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396727644 741841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: requested < 1396727655 589138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1396727786 959292 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: requested < 1396727792 16903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1396727839 562557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"j/k lol" < 1396727846 579498 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396727902 367527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396727937 978235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The request was supposed to go to my test instance of the bot :-/ Oh well. It took its time (as usual) but it made it back. < 1396728326 244635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 50 < 1396728326 974089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 50: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1396728643 945871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I tell gdb which module to debug by default? I have two modules loaded, and the one I want to debug isn't the main program. < 1396729123 26577 :evalj!~jeval@5402C489.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396729161 607989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396729231 775859 :nooodl_!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :nooodl < 1396731042 148459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cybermap.kaspersky.com/ that looks ridiculously like in a movie < 1396731671 559683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to listen to all the music here: http://jessicadickinsongoodman.com/2008/01/18/pachebels-rant-dissected/ < 1396731734 210414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396732002 800678 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of those videos don't exist :( < 1396732175 199595 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396732583 985839 :evalj!~jeval@5402C489.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396733493 141786 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396733821 371131 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396734965 260664 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396735175 570219 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396735175 769587 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396735841 206204 :ejls!~ejls@etiennesimon.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396736405 688351 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo < 1396736412 491718 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made bottles of beer in fishstacks < 1396736475 692029 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 142K chars < 1396736500 604448 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants it? < 1396736510 662244 :S1!~chatzilla@pD9FCA151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1396736539 935219 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1396736597 901734 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55181333/bottles.fishstacks < 1396736817 942000 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are haddocks not built for this? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/python-pickle-0.2.0 < 1396736881 342120 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: me no likey python < 1396736961 593252 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :PixelTerst < 1396737073 773004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still not quite sure what Object-Oriented programming actually is < 1396737112 62244 :PixelTerst!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, if memory addresses are objects, arent all programs object oriented < 1396737164 847699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. that's really dumb. < 1396737173 294603 :S1!~chatzilla@pD9FCA151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1396737303 512242 :PixelTerst!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1396737577 762008 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, I have biscuits < 1396737622 452020 :S1!~chatzilla@pD9FCA151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :k I'm outa here < 1396737624 131427 :S1!~chatzilla@pD9FCA151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1396737643 828147 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396737730 343213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the first hand, do you have cheese? < 1396737749 27304 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1396737765 762436 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one of those weird people who isolates biscuit and cracker consumption < 1396737843 172195 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am one of those weird people who makes programs in languages without an official interpreter < 1396737847 882284 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396737858 993076 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made my own fishstacks inturpreter < 1396737868 791797 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im not giving it to you, because lazyness < 1396737891 993330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that if you don't put things on the wiki, they don't exist hth < 1396737897 743356 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v, have you seen Eodermdrome? < 1396737918 782108 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ohey you are the person who edited fishstacks after me < 1396737923 34128 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please dont slap me < 1396737926 292288 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first edit < 1396737934 263571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1396737961 452069 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i remember it now ;-; < 1396737994 782585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm one of those weird people who makes programs in Eodermdrome. < 1396738029 95720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting for someone to implement it so i can test the program. < 1396738044 514489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(too lazy to code up actual graph algorithms) < 1396738063 699005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I PUT THE PROGRAM ON THE WIKI HTH < 1396738095 429092 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1396738405 774150 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396738550 871499 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@D97AAE09.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT : < 1396739340 603883 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396741318 79030 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then < 1396741327 552724 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the barely page is full of shit < 1396741345 412682 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h adds 71 not 47 < 1396741529 799009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1396741771 92002 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: http://puu.sh/7XtPL.png < 1396741781 112827 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :]xjjjjjhhhhxjhhhhhhhhjjjhh~ < 1396741784 963257 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i entered < 1396741835 171143 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1396741845 799879 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its because some dumbass misread the assembly source < 1396741850 862392 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x47 is 71 < 1396741857 702607 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking.. dumbass < 1396741940 922763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop throwing insults < 1396741970 889800 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1396741973 732321 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just mad < 1396742093 548825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no reason to take it out on the intelligence of someone you don't even know who made a simple mistake < 1396742104 353867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it was not that long ago you misread how Deadfish works... < 1396742137 488887 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1396742226 218059 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396743033 475591 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1396743360 355804 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooooooooooooooooooooooooot http://puu.sh/7Xvui.png < 1396743391 714655 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :]xhhhhooooooooohhhhhhxooooooooxooooooxjjjxhoooohhhxhohhhhhhhxhhhhjjjhhhxhhhhooooooooohhhhhhxjjjxxjjjjjjjxjhhhhxjhhhhhhhhjjjhh~ < 1396743402 575700 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will add to wiki, but gtg soon < 1396743932 25445 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396743945 196315 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1396744083 945252 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1396745945 225084 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396747625 287145 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396747636 865888 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396747983 487126 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396750141 595923 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396750621 385884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like every time i turn around my iptables configuration has been deleted. :( < 1396751016 328889 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a really boring poltergeist < 1396751543 661084 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396752096 929321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be the upgrade installer. dunno. making an extra copy of the rules in case it happens again < 1396752304 716863 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396752543 616871 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396753131 156599 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should add the snarxiv score indicators < 1396753156 116679 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think 30% was "9th year grad student") < 1396753200 237130 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this is genuinely harder than snarxiv < 1396753201 923060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to recognize the music of a record by observing the grooves? < 1396753304 537103 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I'm sad CMONFLICTOR isn't a real opcode < 1396753629 538902 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396754003 788474 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396754089 797204 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's essentially how CDs work. I'm surre one could readily build an optical needle < 1396754122 749630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and...it's already been done < 1396754133 701431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable < 1396754157 63057 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so zeerust a concept i can't handle it < 1396754166 69808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a book that someone could recognize a lot of orchestral music on a record, by only observing the grooves, not using any special equipment. However, only post Mozart music, but still that is a lot of possibilities < 1396754204 626399 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine there are repetitive patterns, especially if you're listening to some form that's really regimented < 1396754271 366674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would certainly believe that it might be possible. < 1396754334 907644 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably amplitude variation over time would be enough. i don't doubt there are many more who can differentiate pieces looking at the waveform < 1396754349 816540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe it is. < 1396754358 796320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know exactly, since I don't know how to do it myself. < 1396754447 557078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says here: "Arthur Lintgen ... apparently possesses the remarkable ability to identify the music on a phonographic record without referring to its label ... by looking at the grooves on the surface of the disc ... the music must be classical, orchestral, and post-Mozart ... this leaves a body of recorded music that runs into thousands of records." < 1396754467 946815 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396754548 518139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :James Randi was commissioned to test it. He figured it out, even multiple recordings of the same music, and an extra cut on the disc, and others. However, two of them were something different: rock music, and a lecture. He called the rock music "gibberish" and the lecture "a vocal solo of some kind". I suppose this is to be expected if you don't understand that kind of "music"... < 1396754572 686505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is clear to me that this is nothing "paranormal". < 1396754624 432559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, seeing as how nothing people actually can do can be called "paranormal"... < 1396754763 716409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would seem. < 1396754867 436314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other reports of things, much of which are exposed as hoaxes, frauds, or something else, but some which don't know such thing quite yet, and which would seem to be "paranormal". I wasn't there, so I don't know if these reports are just made up, but you cannot disregard things out of hand. Once people thought, stones cannot come from the sky, but now they figured it out. So, you cannot just ignore something with no good reason. < 1396754907 617036 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The prototype revealed an interesting flaw of laser turntables: they are so accurate that they play every particle of dirt and dust on the record, rather than pushing them aside as a conventional stylus would." < 1396754918 546586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but, doesn't mean it can ignore everything < 1396754929 457616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Interesting idea. < 1396754941 957561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but all SERIOUS audiophiles store and play their records in an industrial clean room, so it's no big issue < 1396754943 226457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know, but yes of course if it a laser, clearly that is how it works! < 1396754987 203755 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be fun to use a record of 4'33" < 1396755009 746365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think industrial clean rooms tend to have good acoustic qualities < 1396755031 685386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? theoretically you can design your clean room any way you want to < 1396755032 947774 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not musicians' fault that semiconductor manufacturer have no taste. < 1396755874 606827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, you need to design, the musical clean room. < 1396755894 873885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already did. < 1396755962 646197 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptying spit valves is gonna suck, i can already tell < 1396756027 344786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, no wind or brass instruments allowed...you can't play them with a clean suit on < 1396757561 795189 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396757752 866134 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396759586 295630 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396759786 537564 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396761645 886335 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396761663 275146 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396761900 765394 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396765120 365286 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396765157 34454 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396765425 966619 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396766110 274570 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396766366 200570 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396767078 144744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play non-brass music, then. < 1396767088 835591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you like non-brass music) < 1396768309 55164 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396769013 944651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396771749 145841 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396771811 75256 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396772453 124488 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396772467 57395 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inxlljidyijionhb QUIT :Changing host < 1396772467 247854 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov JOIN :#esoteric < 1396772467 247982 :ggherdov_!sid11402@unaffiliated/ggherdov QUIT :Changing host < 1396772467 248059 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inxlljidyijionhb JOIN :#esoteric < 1396772870 284498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I was thinking that there should have been some sort of a complicated scoring mechanism with multipliers and all that. < 1396773722 274275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396775202 92451 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:230:48ff:fed6:b9ce JOIN :#esoteric < 1396775361 436051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1396776009 904047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I heard it through the grapefruit / not much longer would you be mine. / Oh I heard it through the grapefruit, / Oh and I'm just about to lose my mind." < 1396776039 624539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ate a grapefruit for breakfast.) < 1396776204 805328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Maybe some kind of a bellows-driven trombone. < 1396776223 360607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://zem.fi/2014-04-05-opquiz < 1396776287 385502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your interpretation makes the losing mind part so much clearer. < 1396776368 835969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1396777128 938876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1396777149 22159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo < 1396777153 224640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice photos again < 1396777172 343791 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396777173 654598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I like the "Pixels most distant from the mean, smoothed." a lot < 1396777227 81482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also nice opcode quiz < 1396777289 440824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? There are real opcodes with underscore in them? < 1396777319 52690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least as accepted by NASM. < 1396777323 277371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1396777332 288700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well so far I have 19/23 correct < 1396777336 83103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too bad I think < 1396777357 179027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :VFNMADD213SS is real? Really? < 1396777366 518624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be like a link to what each real one does < 1396777412 45016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also, no ARM? < 1396777417 778592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would've liked that, but it would've been hard to collect, since they're all spread out. < 1396777444 513263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ARM opcodes were in an overly complicated from in the Binutils sources, all kind of custom %x expandables. < 1396777451 399881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ARM and AVR are probably the only other two I have a chance of < 1396777457 94448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of managing* < 1396777510 625306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, about 80% success rate is what I manage on x86 < 1396777554 615686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underscores are at least official Intel nomenclature, as per the Intel Architecture Instruction Set Extensions Programming Reference. < 1396777632 994224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396777639 404495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah x86 is crazy < 1396777657 165352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 80% correct was a fluke, now it seems to stay around 70% < 1396777683 633834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVR I think I could manage, mostly because it is such a simple instruction set < 1396777715 415897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And VFNMADD213SS is "Fused Negative Multiply-Add of Sclaar Single-Precision Floating-Point Values"; VFNMADD213SS xmm0, xmm1, xmm2 does x0 = x2 - x0 * x1 where xN is the single-precision float in the low 32 bits of xmmN. < 1396777732 553574 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck intel! < 1396777761 863403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The numbers -- 132, 213 and 231 are all valid -- denote the way those three operands go.) < 1396777778 144717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396777803 462906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some kind of logic in there, though I can't quite decode it immediately. < 1396777820 452073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :SS is probably scalar single or something like that < 1396777836 259019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The opcode for VFNMADD213SS is VEX.DDS.LIG.128.66.0F38.W0 AD /r. < 1396777864 688189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hell? Is this an alias for a lot of prefixes basically? < 1396777894 50572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some way of denoting all the parts of the VEX prefix, yes. < 1396777925 604818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which flag is support for this sort of stuff in /proc/cpuinfo? < 1396777930 773968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VEX.[NDS/NDD/DS].[128,256,L0,L1,LIG].[66,F2,F3].0F/0F3A/0F38.[W0,W1,WIG] opcode [/r]" is the full format. < 1396777960 956528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CPUID Feature Flag" column lists "FMA" in the manual. < 1396777975 749795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the VEX stuff in general < 1396778001 172659 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx lahf_lm ida arat epb xsave < 1396778001 376793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :opt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid < 1396778017 932663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that is a lot, also that is "xsaveopt" as a single entry in the line-break < 1396778018 366788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"avx", probably. < 1396778025 690737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what introduced the VEX prefix, AIUI. < 1396778038 999997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is there I guess < 1396778042 196006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or AVX512F if you want to use the "VFMADD132SS xmm0 {k1}{z}, xmm1, xmm2/m32{er}" form.) < 1396778057 628485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Sandy Bridge < 1396778079 548435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx ... < 1396778085 541378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm ida arat xsaveopt pln pts dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid rtm" < 1396778111 252221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivy Bridge? < 1396778117 617720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it has more stuff < 1396778128 182204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haswell, even. < 1396778151 98296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("avx2" is a tipoff, technically.) < 1396778180 734979 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"flags: vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc up rep_good nopl pni monitor ssse3 lahf_lm" < 1396778182 753615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396778185 692170 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ssse3 < 1396778202 352040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's what came in-between SSE3 and SSE4. < 1396778209 91305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Supplemental Streaming SIMD Extensions 3.) < 1396778220 37343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, is that your entire flags? Fairly old I guess? < 1396778236 85389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think I can beat you, even if it is a bit of cheating: < 1396778238 195834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls < 1396778242 495362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is a RPi) < 1396778245 555656 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's under VT-x < 1396778249 252265 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396778274 58805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags: fpu de tsc msr pae cx8 sep cmov pat clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht syscall lm constant_tsc up rep_good nopl pni ssse3 cx16 movbe hypervisor lahf_lm dtherm < 1396778280 783824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Intel Atom 230, not virtualized.) < 1396778317 377095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is dtherm? < 1396778356 549657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. Could be something Atom-specific, I guess. < 1396778375 222064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it's also in these bigger flag lists. < 1396778413 938263 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah they aren't sorted, so it is kind of hard to find < 1396778427 14715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they are sorted somewhat chronologically. < 1396778445 776616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, I have an old P3 that I could boot to check the flags, but I'm not sure I care, the power isn't connected and so on < 1396778452 75229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPUID bit order, presumably. < 1396778482 556850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be reasonably chronological < 1396778497 333959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This system does not have a "flags" entry in cpuinfo at all, does that count as a list of length 0? < 1396778560 38370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, RPi? I think we can use the "Features" then < 1396778563 776733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I did above < 1396778573 195422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "Features" either. < 1396778577 902251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What architecture? < 1396778579 681722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"system type: 96368MVWG" "cpu model: BCM6368 V3.1" < 1396778584 177221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS? < 1396778585 953501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1396778591 656399 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396778598 54178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's "ASEs implemented:" but it's empty. < 1396778602 821167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know what an "ASE" is. < 1396778611 804843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounds like a list of some kind of extensions. < 1396778700 874551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtherm is apparently the "Digital Thermal Sensor Capability" bit (CPUID function 06h, bit EAX[1]); as far as I can tell, it's what the coretemp thing reads. < 1396778750 191002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396778837 64610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Features: swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3" this phone has a list one element shorter than the RPi. < 1396778875 67087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also somewhat different; no thumb, and noen + vfpv3 in place of java + tls.) < 1396778901 893632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it can run Thumb code, so I don't know why there's no Thumb flag. Maybe it's a kernel thing. < 1396778953 595050 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bogomips: 4548.57" < 1396778961 781139 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best unit ever. < 1396778983 153715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :398.33 BogoMIPS on the MIPS box. < 1396778995 283205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1396779004 887475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :BogoMIPS : 2.00 < 1396779008 197115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the RPi < 1396779031 628503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogomips : 6621.52 is my desktop < 1396779037 387038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a bogus result on the RPi. < 1396779042 713079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite so < 1396779044 611970 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell are bogomips < 1396779065 836033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 249.96 on the phone, 1993.93 on this Android tablet and 6799.32 on the desktop. < 1396779076 729671 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that, like, more bogus than bogomips < 1396779080 555666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, number of NOPs per second as measured early during boot by the kernel to calibrate some internal delay loop iirc < 1396779095 242275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why it is 2 on the RPi though, that seems wrong < 1396779111 324846 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to check that :D < 1396779125 93739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips < 1396779148 737443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall I had some system where the BogoMIPS number changed according to cpufreq scaling. Doesn't seem to happen on this desktop, though. < 1396779221 514231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, constant_tsc probably counteracts it (the feature that results in that flag that is) < 1396779233 924242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it scaled back on older computers yes < 1396779996 553694 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396780005 119566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The reasons (there are two) it is printed during boot-up is that a) it is slightly useful for debugging and for checking that the computers caches and turbo button work, and b) Linus loves to chuckle when he sees confused people on the news." < 1396780066 541439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old turbo button. < 1396780094 475660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1396780117 487408 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the button that made your CPU slower < 1396780127 105291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often, yes. < 1396780182 19663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I vaguely recall one system that was wired to be faster (16 MHz vs. 8 MHz) with the button pressed. < 1396780244 402989 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess BogoMIPS is a bit like glxgears then, useless except to tell that your system isn't completely out of whack < 1396780409 964850 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"158 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.595 FPS" < 1396780416 20395 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, elliott could you make lambdabot join #cs-york for a bit? < 1396780428 34739 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should really have GPU virtualization by now. < 1396780453 610607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Nvidia did have some stuff towards that direction? < 1396780462 692319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For their computing-oriented hardware, anyway. < 1396780484 453588 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@join #cs-york < 1396780485 898803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, we should, but most people who virtualize don't game < 1396780491 941533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on the same machine < 1396780495 427437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, thanks < 1396780498 188513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two different markets < 1396780578 831484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall glogbot accepts channel invites, how bad would it be to do the same for lambdabot < 1396780630 317849 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nvidia Grid is fairly new, I think < 1396780650 693979 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they loves segmentation < 1396780685 213909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know. Are there honeypot channels here where joining gets you killed? ;-) < 1396780688 972455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume the main worry would be if lambdabot gets too overworked) < 1396780695 804386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too paranoid for that. < 1396780711 448361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well yes but you have to be _on_ them to invite, no? < 1396780728 482264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the technical invite which only a channel op can do, afaiu < 1396780729 195412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1396780891 808561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I don't know. Are there honeypot channels here where joining gets you killed? ;-) <-- think so yes < 1396780932 48257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think you only need to be op of +m is set? < 1396780948 204815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh < 1396780963 265254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if you /part, we can test I guess < 1396780978 938403 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PART :#esoteric < 1396780987 252438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[13:43:54] -!- #esoteric You're not a channel operator < 1396780990 52962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm okay < 1396780993 298449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When trying to invite fungot.) < 1396780996 885015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan #esoteric :is already on channel < 1396780999 975949 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396781006 437554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the checks happen in a weird order < 1396781010 730177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to part when i saw fungot do it < 1396781010 932822 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( though its experimental and instrumenting) ' it) < 1396781017 324792 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that kernel onward the BogoMips rating for then current Pentium CPUs was twice that of the rating before the change. The changed BogoMips outcome had no effect on real processor performance. < 1396781021 342909 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1396781098 583966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the patch name was "improve bogosity of bogomips" < 1396781190 63107 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CA5MLCS Enterprise ready GPU virtualization. At least they're cheaper than some Xeons. < 1396781225 714125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, are those Telsa series with no actual display connectors? < 1396781228 232449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or real GPUs? < 1396781250 376412 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telsa. Cute. < 1396781263 672259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So useless for non-HPC then, right < 1396781266 582205 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a moment I was wondering whether that was the real name.) < 1396781322 17203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tesla? Or what < 1396781324 80915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, there are too many codenames for all the GPUs and CPUs, who's expected to track them? < 1396781344 980201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Something discovered recently: if you have a channel with modes +if (invite-only, forward on; the latter needs the former), and the person trying to join the channel is either banned or already on the target channel of the +f, the error message given is the "cannot join, invite-only" one instead. < 1396781373 849153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have some Tesla cards in the local computing cluster of the university. < 1396781380 867155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, Tesla is a product line. Like i5 and i7 or GeForce and Quadro < 1396781403 357074 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no display connectors, but they are intended for graphics < 1396781423 291081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I thought Tesla were intended for GPGPU? < 1396781434 128193 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a better example is Celeron < 1396781439 798247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10 compute nodes gpu[001-011] are HP SL390s G7 for gpu computing. Same configuration as above but they are 2U high and have 2x Tesla 2090 card each." < 1396781440 43051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1396781442 563236 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some new CPUs are still Celerons. < 1396781457 69624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I thought i3 replaced that segment < 1396781477 780739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as I said, who's supposed to keep track. I've heard of "Tesla" and not of "Telsa" but took a moment to make the connection, because there was nothing obviously wrong with the latter name. < 1396781487 735964 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, i3 is the lowest rung of the high-end Core series. < 1396781500 935592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oh I didn't even notice my typo < 1396781505 70801 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel makes plenty of smaller CPUs. < 1396781516 12678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, not even when you repeated it < 1396781530 425151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice the typo either, and the conversation was all manner of confusing. < 1396781536 639063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same < 1396781542 760129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the human brain is a marvellous thing ;-) < 1396781594 155493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1396781648 517016 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron I think every Intel generation since P6 is represented here < 1396781751 290304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396781805 119381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes with joy that KICK and INVITE have their operands swapped. < 1396781809 716544 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes "smaller" just means "we turned half the cache off") < 1396781839 697697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, parameters to stick to the RFC wording. < 1396781894 835394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So implementing this is not too hard (at most 5 lines of code), I just wonder whether I want to have that feature. < 1396781917 911928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POWER TO THE PEOPLE < 1396781929 125929 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the internet < 1396781931 801969 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or non-people, as the case may be < 1396781935 354307 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust people ;-) < 1396781946 682296 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you trust fungot < 1396781946 973231 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: its pretty easy to use. that always does the right if 90 is straight down then it should < 1396781959 25753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has not done me any harm yet < 1396781959 341228 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396781966 465639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1396781966 732595 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1396781993 129133 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot never talks to me like that. < 1396781993 556018 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: heh. ( fnord tsh) ( seems ( ( prefix notation) confusing)) to change it to create a whole breed of new fnord languages. < 1396781996 915380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's the recursive style. < 1396782016 542935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that would be "fungot". < 1396782016 772708 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dpkg -i is ok to count your own artificial language when asked how many languages the fnord speak < 1396782019 260949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1396782019 453284 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1396782034 627111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is still dominated by the f word. < 1396782034 873927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The small bits of Finnish come from ircnet/#douglasadams, where there occasionally was a bit of it. < 1396782075 970480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No statements of the f are part of the "irc" style, since the model was trained before the bot existed. < 1396782098 514726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you meant the other f word. < 1396782102 477831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's that mapping. < 1396782159 218865 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396782159 449184 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: fnord it. :p it could be managed with the right hand < 1396782160 640305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1183) fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396782190 221127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does "niinku" mean? < 1396782238 496866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's just a filler, like, that. < 1396782240 682473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a contraction of "niin kuin", which is approximately something like "as if". < 1396782244 845732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "like". < 1396782258 255281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original source of the "niinku" line seems to be a DRUGZ reference. :/ < 1396782318 115761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most of the "fnords" were different Finnish nicknames for hashish.) < 1396782594 887416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style drugs < 1396782595 97106 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1396782663 859199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of those are mysterious to me. Agora, for example. < 1396782687 179025 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms < 1396782687 374089 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) < 1396782697 280721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is that as bad as I imagine it would be? < 1396782697 472500 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: can i use short form to. thanks < 1396782708 4855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please don't < 1396782708 314137 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: only one place can sit to bishan, take the barcap... all thebest!! :) its time bah, cause i was thinking of coming to soc. btw how to go downfron bugis. u lookfor place < 1396782725 253678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1396782725 461598 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1396782733 204234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be worse. < 1396782747 230176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a reasonably tame example of the SMS style. < 1396782752 622266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's p. bad occasionally. < 1396782781 849004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than a f n o r d loop? < 1396782811 573773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matter of taste, I guess. I don't think it has those at all. < 1396782819 972233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more of that "u lookfor" kind of stuff. < 1396782843 878105 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/sony-demands-removal-of-open-source-indie-short-sintel-from-youtube-98182.html < 1396783350 292877 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a corporate video host stops hosting a video. Much censor. < 1396783363 913719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1396783396 96831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Sintel is sort-of "famous" in that it was one of the first entirely open-source-rendered CGI videos < 1396783406 584261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly a tech demo < 1396783424 460268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :* int-e notes with joy that KICK and INVITE have their operands swapped. <-- Yes, there are more cases like that in IRC iirc. I wrote an IRC bot once and I noticed quite a lot of strange things < 1396783490 291817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other post said Sony added Sintel to their "4k demo reel" kind of thing, and speculated that led to the (presumably automatic) takedown request. < 1396783538 28803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fnord was basically unique words right? < 1396783543 204229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1396783573 595400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the old models; the new ones, trained with VariKN, mostly have just discarded them, I think. < 1396783614 992729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396783622 693394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what did you use the train the new models? < 1396783702 551183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, VariKN. < 1396783725 652120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer combined with Debian Stable has a really interesting bug btw. If I pause playback in vlc, sound will stop working on resume, I have to do a jump in the video/audio stream to reset it. Either backwards or forward, doesn't matter how long either. < 1396783738 295225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err I meant the old ones < 1396783771 213039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. It doesn't have a name, it was just a custom piece of C++ (of all things) doing a fixed-length unpruned N-gram. < 1396783820 233105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather crummy code, too.) < 1396783866 623595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is C++, good look not being crummy < 1396784014 923460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/SLKb?c++ I guess it's not that bad, but it's not that good either. < 1396784042 333392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what's really silly is that the only code to test a generated model was in the same program, so I needed to rebuild the whole thing to generate sample sentences. < 1396784043 451880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is interesting indentation < 1396784051 978954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that sprunge messing up tabs? < 1396784067 616091 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah seems like it < 1396784115 294871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396784286 172219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the time-tested approach of "just throw strings" to C++ exceptions. < 1396784302 722824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, rather, "just throw string literals".) < 1396784334 791942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that is not considered good practice < 1396784350 43816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than throwing malloc'ed strings < 1396784352 3720 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, secretly, what most C++ exceptions are made of < 1396784365 766849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although even that is better than a mix of throwing malloc'ed strings and string literals) < 1396784388 253775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand I have never been a fan of exceptions in general. There is often a better solution < 1396784389 245060 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throwing malloc'd strings is horrible. You should be using new. < 1396784414 672403 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they are great for cross-function control flow < 1396784419 856273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I was trying to think of the most horrible sort of exception I could off the top of my head < 1396784448 119502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have a Java program that throws integers (specifically speaking, a class deriving from Exception with only one int member of its own) < 1396784452 716024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was translated from C < 1396784473 22757 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a factoring program that throws any factors discovered < 1396784478 34588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, How? < 1396784495 562275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally I prefer co-routines for that < 1396784505 204984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming the language allows that of course) < 1396784514 832111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also assuming you mean the same thing as I do) < 1396784526 613786 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be simulated pretty easily, even in c < 1396784539 343787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but not elegantly really < 1396784563 736925 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that or non-re-entrant < 1396784567 768268 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program has several layers of function calls, which makes simulating coroutines unpleasant. < 1396784583 141279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, also thread safety < 1396784605 518967 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use a lambda object as a continuation, but it gets annoying to pass it around. < 1396785019 451341 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:230:48ff:fed6:b9ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396785154 100438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | tail -1 < 1396785154 699289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1183) fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396785174 342332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1183s/ fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396785229 474425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbformat < 1396785230 57704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two < 1396785284 173206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1396785474 532412 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`addquote oerjan says:`? qdbformat[...]oerjan says:hth < 1396785534 906097 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this evil quote format? < 1396785572 350277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allows us to achieve great wisdom.pdf < 1396785582 257298 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's my guess) < 1396785593 621469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too lazy to check the repo. < 1396785601 20388 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18197.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1396785619 384425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the format is considerably older than the pdf hth < 1396785635 529234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1396785638 355625 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396785689 508362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it does not answer this question: Where else is the format exploited? < 1396785751 776861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere afaik < 1396785791 248405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simply a measure of consistency. it also helps a bit when quotes themselves contain quotes. < 1396785855 493629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in every case though. < 1396785860 773739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1396785861 283770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :262) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 307) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 308) `quote django ​352) django is named a < 1396786539 22578 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396786838 333917 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1396787358 559131 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@athedsl-18197.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Tritonio1 < 1396788053 321360 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396788390 368674 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote django | wc -l < 1396788390 980509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1396788425 508431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/allquotes < 1396788426 54257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ nl -w 1 -s ') ' quotes < 1396788467 513012 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tail -n 1 quotes < 1396788467 927748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1396788471 532828 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1396789046 454904 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that HackEgo seems to be alive and well, I should get back to updating the Wisdom... < 1396789072 645658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have logs yet? < 1396789089 437041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog acciaccatura < 1396789119 981168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastlog: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory < 1396789135 931502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :-( < 1396789144 707084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your logs are in a different castle < 1396789242 398280 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: hellexandello. my name is boily. you don't have a Wisdom Entry describing you. prepare to be wisdomified. < 1396789495 212176 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the logs? < 1396789510 734069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still there, they're just not inside HackEgo's VM < 1396789511 36097 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are vile. you rmed the *elcome*s. < 1396789515 413302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HackEgo can't see them < 1396789521 524832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome what about this one < 1396789521 767417 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396789521 997595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found < 1396789526 255230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, even that one? < 1396789536 525642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the VM get reset? < 1396789576 743675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a "new" VM, new as in no more than several monthd old < 1396789581 982283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*months < 1396789603 647134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What caused the revert? < 1396789613 741792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was all in hg so it would be easy to restore a backup < 1396789654 126966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um elliott deleted the welcomes in a fit of ...something... < 1396789663 801826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the binaries. < 1396789674 791503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the filesystem wasn't reverted < 1396789678 993673 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott deleted the welcomes in a fit of binaries??? < 1396789682 522771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the VM is on a different physical computer < 1396789689 100808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same one that's doing the logging < 1396789698 385731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396789798 319890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the logs were never inside the repository, just mounted on the same machine < 1396789866 803259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the codu.org webserver obviously has access to both < 1396789888 579631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still) < 1396789924 645881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run df < 1396789925 513553 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1396789959 190523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /var < 1396789959 742675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var: No such file or directory < 1396789962 672408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls / < 1396789963 232177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr < 1396790038 558561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the spanish welcome is still there, but elliott tells me all the recurring spanish people are the same anyway < 1396790313 36321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a spanish-language channel, after all < 1396790382 46220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that welcome has been tailored specifically to make it clear we're not. < 1396790483 871864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame, really. i was somehow imagining somewhere a venezuelan site with a convenient list of irc channels people could try, which had somehow been made by grepping for es in channel names < 1396790529 475715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's brilliant < 1396790532 735965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to believe that now < 1396790550 944581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not *all* the spanish people are one person < 1396790556 833587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was just one particularly persistent one over the last few months < 1396790571 544195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "es" hypotesis is plausible. < 1396790610 867095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are all the venezuelans the same? < 1396790627 441275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, not sure < 1396790682 115421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good, we can continue to believe then < 1396790950 209037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you want to get all technical about it, the HackEgo hg browser is actually running on www2.codu.org, a different VPS (the one HackEgo also runs), and www.codu.org just (AFAIK) proxymates the access. < 1396791002 382220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/runs/runs on/ < 1396791046 27487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1396791220 363168 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396791230 506698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1396791230 923239 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 061320Z 26007KT 9999 FEW040 SCT070 08/01 Q1007 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 36002KT < 1396791256 225987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1396791256 429496 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Obstruction" to "Clustering" < 1396791543 826333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sorry about you getting caught in the spam filter, that's probably the first false positive in the modern era of spam filtering < 1396791560 679661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(graue's spam filter blocked "span" and "div", that was hilarious…) < 1396791568 864557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(…in that it lead to some interesting workarounds) < 1396791586 729335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we had span and div _templates_ instead < 1396791634 419255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took some silly workarounds to make _those_ without triggering the filter in the process. < 1396791660 706390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a spambot somehow managed to make a page whose URL triggered the spam filter if it appeared in the Referer header < 1396791672 716056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that < 1396791691 590221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that deleting a page is a POST request, that took a bunch of confusion before I told my browser to turn referers off on Esolang < 1396791907 370155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems there isn't that much spam nowadays, there have been no new filter catches since fizzie fixed the logging. well, unless it broke again i guess. < 1396791937 309142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a thought: fizzie's server is a different physical server from elliott's, right? < 1396791942 899371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably it has a different IP < 1396791947 801488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the spambots don't use DNS < 1396791949 430620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's Gregor's < 1396791966 168344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IPv4 space is easier to bruteforce than the domain name space… < 1396791991 27503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um how can they post to a webserver without knowing the hostname? < 1396792005 883501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose some might allow it... < 1396792018 491707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :webservers often have a default hostname < 1396792022 402732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org did not. < 1396792026 531933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, solidity did not < 1396792028 478399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396792036 997469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the new esolangs.org does not, either. < 1396792067 340159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because the "default" server, the one it hits without a esolangs.org Host: header, is the www2.codu.org one, where there's just the hg browser and nothing else.) < 1396792155 716788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now imagines interlinking the wiki and HackEgo < 1396792221 986323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like HackEgo to post all recent changes on-channel?-) < 1396792227 328190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MediaWiki has some features for that.) < 1396792232 961779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1396792250 716777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempting < 1396792280 47426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, they're not for IRC in particular, but it has some general mechanisms for getting change notifications out.) < 1396792319 174355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think they were originally for IRC < 1396792329 255192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, IRC's the recommended official way to get a stream of all changes to Wikipedia < 1396792331 692934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need one for some reason < 1396792407 74121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I tried to set that up once. < 1396792417 20790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are pre-built bridges from the UDP thing to IRC. < 1396792429 513417 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds a bit spammy, but maybe it's not too bad < 1396792924 269020 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396793015 402637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: There aren't typically very many changes/day, so there's at least that. < 1396793374 502618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the other hand, it's kind of a silly idea, and we all know how serious and, for want of a better word, reserved, this channel is.) < 1396793433 326385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear hear < 1396793471 896575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1396793472 143902 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1396793495 310678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your opinion on the meat shortage? < 1396793496 283151 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact, this would result in a conclusion that is perceived as a lame duck in the community institutions the council, to the framework of agenda 2000 but also to the rights associated with citizenship, which must be understood in every country, probably loses more from the commission was behind the policy choices now about what we are discussing this morning because these are very important. < 1396793530 280011 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1396793552 232012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that certainly clears it up. < 1396793617 895913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot the "excuse me" < 1396793920 380751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How come you didn't address the channel as "Mr. President"? < 1396793921 414599 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, the emperor is not wearing any clothes. these organisations are often under threat, at a revised directive for the duty of care for all those who have battled very fnord against the dual use of the most important details are dealt with objectively and impartially so that all of that here, hardly anybody, or rather on public access to documents which, due to the lack of backbone of the < 1396794096 201658 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your foreign policy on the Existence of Canada? < 1396794096 624509 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: madam president, i have tried to impose its legal point of view to match the objectives and procedures agreed upon by the commission on this issue. the commission can accept the first part of the amendment of directive 90/ 220/ eec, according to the united states < 1396794456 532949 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you're getting annexed. < 1396794552 471004 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what are your thoughts concerning the situation in Crimea? < 1396794553 690 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: madam president, commissioner, the copenhagen facility, money is given to improving transparency and a closer relationship with the applicant countries on this day that franz fnord fnord was murdered, together with a series of dictates issued from brussels as to what is being done, and i very much welcome an extension of the single market < 1396794634 396159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that almost seems relevant < 1396794706 479586 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry fungot, I can't let you do that < 1396794707 27462 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mr prodi, i ask the president-in-office of the council! we should note that the report only covers areas over which there is discussion everywhere the usa cannot achieve this itself. perhaps with that background it is totally wrong. as far as the framework is concerned. < 1396794798 853583 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly hope "money is given to improving transparency" is a synthesis < 1396794808 823909 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Regarding the es hypothesis, #selinux says in its /topic that the swedish linux channel is #linux.se .) < 1396794841 426152 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, franz ferdinord < 1396794860 465621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: haha, that's also brilliant < 1396794876 766263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a joke, or does it come up often enough that they felt it was required? < 1396794995 337078 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t know. < 1396795076 999244 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does someone know a good way to pipe /list into grep? < 1396795135 476001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hack together something involving netcat, nobuffer, and tee, I guess < 1396795148 996649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the nobuffer is required, it often is, though < 1396795248 666762 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck nobuffer < 1396795249 93256 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1396795272 82733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's something I wrote, but I'm sure loads of other people wrote it too < 1396795304 54227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically just adds LD_PRELOAD hooks to get stdio to stop buffering, you inject it into programs that use default stdio buffering in cases where that's unacceptable for what you're doing < 1396795323 324331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it does /that/ by hooking fopen and friends to call setvbuf and turn buffering off) < 1396795342 482801 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that do more that stdbuf? < 1396795354 337355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1396795441 231860 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stdbuf < 1396795441 779435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdbuf: missing operand \ Try `stdbuf --help' for more information. < 1396795456 853438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stdbuf --help < 1396795457 269301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: stdbuf OPTION... COMMAND \ Run COMMAND, with modified buffering operations for its standard streams. \ \ Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too. \ -i, --input=MODE adjust standard input stream buffering \ -o, --output=MODE adjust standard output stream buffering \ -e, --error=MODE adjust standard < 1396795467 8423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat, it even has a standard name < 1396795477 552539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is installed here too < 1396795486 300233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I needn't have written nobuffer after all :-) < 1396795486 503444 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdbuf is in coreutils. < 1396795501 445 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it only sets fd buffering, though, not stdio. < 1396795518 74147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Note that the Spanish Oteric channel is #oteric.es | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1396795560 35053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no, it sets stdio buffering < 1396795563 863673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fds don't /have/ buffering < 1396795588 913084 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. “stdbuf --help”'s French translation is only halfway done, with random sentences in English. < 1396795627 135295 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BUGS: On GLIBC platforms, specifying a buffer size, i.e. using fully buffered mode will result in undefined operation." < 1396795634 163221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdbuf's info page states that it doesn't work with tee, because tee changes buffering itself < 1396795639 690521 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, stdbuf truly is just nobuffer. < 1396795641 653954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you don't need a nobuffer with tee < 1396795995 687003 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other lesser-known coreutils is ptx, which can be used to make a search engine. < 1396796096 463660 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot is that mysterious utility... < 1396796096 742459 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, as we have always been a broad measure of agreement between the european union to take the results of the brussels 2 convention, but also with their quality. < 1396796103 523622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ptx confuses me a lot < 1396796114 707078 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ptx puzzles me a lot. < 1396796115 114746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because I can't figure out what it's meant to do even after reading the info page < 1396796128 188428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it creates a permuted index < 1396796129 951494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is that? < 1396796162 886224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Like an index, but all over the place < 1396796186 342021 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out what it was by running it on a file. < 1396796284 758648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean to say you ran a program without knowing what it did? < 1396796292 596297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it comes from coreutils, that seems a little risky < 1396796326 359658 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The manual clearly says that it reads input files and produces some kind of output < 1396796347 259484 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It creates a strangely-formatted index of the input.) < 1396796403 28872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder who maintains the coreutils Info file < 1396796414 68187 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is decorative. I ran it on a DCSS morgue file. lots of zombies! < 1396796417 786547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't Ulrich Drepper, it may be worth working out what the program does and then sending a patch < 1396796466 612472 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396796562 573515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe (and hope) that Drepper does not maintain anything in coreutils. < 1396796608 484367 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Ulrich Drepper and why does that name look vaguely familiar? < 1396796671 353075 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: from gnulibc, “with Ulrich Drepper[4] as the lead contributor and maintainer.” < 1396796681 632101 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nu// < 1396796722 489884 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1396796733 782133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that [4] looks ominous < 1396796815 431762 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is ominous. it is the Number Four of Death! < 1396796905 383887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drepper no longer maintains glibc < 1396796913 658659 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it occurs to me that people here might know: Are there any other -l puns other than libiberty and libowfat? < 1396796913 861929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was fired or whatever < 1396796931 824269 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drepper is a very clever programmer and maintainer who often gets frustrated because many others are not as clever as he is. < 1396796948 734063 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect -loobs is a reverse pun. < 1396797064 803467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that there are, but can't think of any offhand < 1396797088 250244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count libraries that happen to make real words by coincidence, such as libick < 1396797104 241913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ locate libick.a | wc -l < 1396797105 814707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 < 1396797111 413980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I have a lot of compiled versions of INTERCAL < 1396797140 331258 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396797159 101761 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people have pron stashes on their machines. other collect intercal compilers... < 1396797193 476165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is in a backup of my account on a SunOS workstation < 1396797203 747822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the account probably doesn't still exist, but who knows, it might < 1396797221 860729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have physical nor network access to the computer in question, so no way to tell < 1396797306 482896 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's handy, I didn't know about timeout(1) < 1396797314 573294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine very few people my age have ever had the experience of accidentally writing programs that aren't portable to Unices other than SunOS < 1396797345 929789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some platforms don't curently support timeouts beyond 2038" < 1396797356 542141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y2038K bugs are annoying < 1396797373 441325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another 23 years, maybe there'll be a huge panic and I'll be called in to help out with the cleanup effort < 1396797382 621268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the world will end because people became complacent after Y2K < 1396797392 460349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Y2K38 < 1396797605 995474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the world ended in 2012 < 1396797621 750271 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need 2012 the game (a spin-off of 2048) < 1396797623 7441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that theory was conclusively disproved in 2013 < 1396797647 12852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not conclusively < 1396797655 278116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: easy, it's identical to 2048, except your goal is to make 2012 (via integer overflow, obviously) < 1396797666 350277 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... how do you know that 2012 doesn't exist anymore? < 1396797703 440377 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or modulo 2012, which would be a bit more interesting < 1396797720 61358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sdate date < 1396797720 541362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sdate: not found < 1396797733 644495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, what sort of self-respecting server doesn't have sdate? < 1396797761 837601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so you combine two 1024s to create a 36 < 1396797768 483932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1396797827 444758 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what 1024 has to do with 36 < 1396797851 213620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1024 + 1024) % 2012 == 36, right? < 1396797878 529701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the integer overflow joke is that you can't integer overflow in 2048 because there's not enough room on the board, and if you could, you'd get 0 < 1396797879 795336 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant more the thing where time coexists < 1396797901 163210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I pinged the wrong person < 1396797902 892651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ^ < 1396797948 985295 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah, 36. I'm actively destroying your joke :p < 1396797978 787980 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is modulo 2012, the eventual goal would be to make 2012 modulo 2012, aka 0. < 1396797980 140576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's modulo 2012, you can never get 2012 exactly, best you can get is 0 which is equivaent < 1396797990 204283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't enough room to make 0 module 2012 either, though < 1396798038 799552 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheezy has: libace libarch libass libast libawl libax libemma libend libib libice libid libint libion liboath libobby libode liboop liboping liboss libots libow libowfat libs libust, though most of them are probably unintended. < 1396798158 334899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in a default install? < 1396798177 853876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking the repos would be even better, as in more false positives < 1396798320 934096 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only libass it seems, satisfying that criteria < 1396798351 752783 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://man.cat-v.org/unix-1st/1/sdate ? < 1396798370 454536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: no < 1396798386 401575 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /lib/lib*.so /usr/lib/lib*.so | sed 's:(/usr)?/lib/lib:l:; s:\.so$::' | sort | comm -12 - /usr/share/dict/words < 1396798387 100355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /lib/lib*.so: No such file or directory \ comm: /usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory < 1396798389 169094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also UNIX first edition predates september 1993 < 1396798397 353633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sdate date < 1396798397 554989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun Sep 7523 16:33:03 BST 1993 < 1396798404 24498 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1396798412 434647 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/share/dict < 1396798412 988241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1396798413 192377 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :523! < 1396798424 480736 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PERMUTATIONALISED CHICKEN < 1396798426 302735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39225&oldid=39224 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-59) 10I removed a test, but it keeps happening. < 1396798427 520141 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396798429 237824 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ddate < 1396798429 687155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is Sweetmorn, the 23rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 < 1396798490 293734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdate is a great way to confuse random program < 1396798493 581534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programs < 1396798504 908265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite common for programs to assume that there can't be more than 31 days in a month < 1396798518 909557 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite reasonable, too < 1396798587 224861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you say that on September 7523? < 1396798610 70761 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1396798617 170731 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I see what sdate is doing < 1396798621 994465 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as long as one uses gregorian calendar < 1396798646 682708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sdate calendar is much simpler in many ways < 1396798647 398832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I thought the above didn't work at all, because I was all scrolled up in the backscroll. < 1396798830 2361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396799167 688276 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :for l in $(apt-cache search --names-only 'lib.*' | grep -Eo '^lib[aeiou][a-zA-Z]+' | uniq | sed 's/^lib/l/'); do for i in `seq $#l -1 3`; do if ( dict -s exact -d wn -m ${l[1,$i]} >/dev/null 2>&1 ); then echo $l; break; fi; done; done < 1396799203 762743 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the matches are the minimum, 3 letters long. < 1396799411 893559 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396799518 441597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Quite a lot of our university (including a classroom full of UltraSPARC 10 workstations, and both main general-use shell servers) ran on SunOS not more than a decade ago, so I think a lot of our CS students have that experience. < 1396799678 894208 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. My main experience with Solaris is that killall will in fact, kill all. < 1396799731 282921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, if I make "test" edits of my user page (e.g. after upgrade, to test that everything still works), is it considered good MediaWiki administrative practice to somehow undo those (if that's even possible) so that they don't clutter up RC or page history? < 1396799795 352943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sdate does some sort of LD_PRELOAD? < 1396799809 864194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pretty much < 1396799862 304142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I suspect it won't break cfunge, I only think I use unix timestamp in that for the DATE fingerprint < 1396799909 611089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, DATE doesn't even have a command to get current date? < 1396799914 383054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for conversion < 1396799915 194274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396799957 928566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, TIME uses localtime/gmtime, so that would be confused < 1396799962 484573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume < 1396800914 382405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, the offline experience of Google Maps Android has gone so downhill. < 1396800916 89082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be so that you had a separate "Offline" tab in "My Places", where you could see a list of what's available offline, and remove/add regions, and when adding you could drag the bounding box what you want to cache. < 1396800920 318620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in this 7.x version, there seems to be no way at all of seeing what is available offline, and adding new regions is done by the most illogical way I have ever heard of: you zoom the map so that what you want to cache offline is visible, and then search for "ok maps". < 1396800924 404959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it flashes briefly something to the tune of "caching map data", but afterwards there seems to be no indication of what exactly it saved. < 1396800961 164984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Incidentally, if I make "test" edits of my user page (e.g. after upgrade, to test that everything still works), is it considered good MediaWiki administrative practice to somehow undo those (if that's even possible) so that they don't clutter up RC or page history? < 1396800963 220093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1396800972 769494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, downgrade if you can, that is what I did < 1396800986 708339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just compare: https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/2650377?hl=en&ref_topic=2649131 https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/3273567?hl=en&ref_topic=3273087 < 1396800998 804867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (re the comment Phantom_Hoover quoted) no, although sometimes it's considered good form to use a page designed for test edits < 1396801010 253207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those pages can later have the test edits removed in batch < 1396801027 889509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that reminds me of the old AfD page on Wikipedia < 1396801035 360861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe VfD < 1396801075 547121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it was split into subpages, it had been edited so many times that when an annoyed admin deleted it, it brought the site down because the server couldn't handle deleting that many edits < 1396801093 341894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when it was subsequently undeleted (after the site came back up), it brought the site down again < 1396801120 330286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1396801124 794604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the developers added a limit that you can't delete pages that have been edited 5000 or more times, so some enterprising admin decided to get a bot to edit the Main Page 5000 times in order to stop it being deleted < 1396801140 754108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the developers stopped that at like 3000 because it was creating a bunch of load in of itself < 1396801143 642969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also how could it bring the server down if the delete isn't permanent? Isn't it just marking a flag then < 1396801177 994453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would the main page be in risk of being deleted though? < 1396801178 954394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly a flag internally, the edit gets moved to a separate table, and a whole bunch of tables that relate to non-deleted edits get change < 1396801180 583592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*changed < 1396801190 671144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: notifying people the wiki upgraded is prtetty useful, anyway < 1396801193 720571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, the main page used to get deleted quite frequently < 1396801213 123500 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why? Shouldn't those admins that did it get fired then? < 1396801214 306459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the #1 most common action for disgruntled admins (which is strange, because it doesn't cause a whole lot of damage) < 1396801226 573102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, fired < 1396801230 459559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if MW admins get paid < 1396801231 267537 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s rather visible though. < 1396801238 646118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, obviously they were desysopped, unless they could successfully pass it off as a joke and also a lapse of judgement at the same time < 1396801242 955208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an accident < 1396801247 453423 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well the equivalent. Stripped of their rank, whatever < 1396801253 53650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has been deleted by accident before now < 1396801261 465669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are a whole bunch of protections in place nowadays < 1396801299 954184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm one of the few people who knows how to delete the Main Page through them, and even then, a) I no longer have the perms; b) with the protections in place, doing so would be rather time-consuming, and there'd be a pretty high chance someone would notice what I was doing and stop me < 1396801344 312629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a bot to help out would make it a bit faster, although testing it would be awkward; if you're going to break the rules to the extent of running an unapproved bot < 1396801352 497692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, to the extent of deleting the main page < 1396801362 934719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably not going to be worried about running an unauthorized bot < 1396801380 528044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing it sounds easy, just run a local test wiki < 1396801432 322569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : before it was split into subpages, it had been edited so many times that when an annoyed admin deleted it, it brought the site down because the server couldn't handle deleting that many edits < 1396801442 211723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't 'the annoyed admin' ed poor? < 1396801456 138412 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don't_delete_the_main_page it's protected in the mediawiki software nowadays < 1396801461 934913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, I don't typically remember the names of specific disgruntled admins < 1396801463 874430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, I know < 1396801502 83087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why very few people would be able to delete it, you'd need a knowledge of how the software works in addition to a knowledge of the redundant protections on enwiki in particular < 1396801514 574251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for all I know, they may have added more since I stopped actively adminning Wikpedia < 1396801652 883501 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is amused that Wikipedia:Don't delete the main page has the shortcut WP:IDIOT . < 1396801706 331993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those shortcuts are incredibly cheap to create < 1396801717 717084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make one right now if you felt like it, and given that they're rather more expensive to delete < 1396801726 644840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's remotely plausible people would probably just let it stay < 1396801765 145471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are lots of them on en.wikipedia: the very long page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:B_jonas/Pages_with_shortcuts lists many of them < 1396801795 984323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it only lists ones where the target page has a template marking the shortcut < 1396801796 827070 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia:Village stocks apparently has WP:AAAARGH < 1396801810 456324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are lots more where the target page isn't marked < 1396801852 684956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are shortcuts like P:P -- guess where that goes < 1396801875 343437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P:N < 1396801888 93890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P: is Portal:, I guess < 1396801890 472114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :P:M wasn't Microsoft... < 1396801892 286844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's P:Z < 1396801897 504840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are numerous portals that could start with P < 1396802066 355221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably most of them actually do start with P < 1396802116 549640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/most/? < 1396802117 682873 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“WP:Oh I say, what are you doing? Come down from there at once! Really, you're making a frightful exhibition of yourself.” < 1396802206 386208 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The target's title doesn't make *much* more sense < 1396802252 783704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I remember that page being created < 1396802259 348743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the context, but ISTR it was necessary < 1396802575 867175 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that redirect to the reichstag page < 1396802679 703184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1396803256 639855 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I forget the context, but ISTR it was necessary <-- what? Why? < 1396803265 765066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, I forget < 1396803278 945522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind just boggles at the idea such a page could be *required* < 1396803290 841328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, people were taking something too seriously, and it was causing problems < 1396803298 712533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1396803300 111848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396803349 965521 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396803386 85548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were also people who didn't understand WP:POINT < 1396803941 867533 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P:X < 1396804162 411077 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :P:Q seems to be free < 1396804486 942627 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, that’s just an x. < 1396805054 390439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396805055 794301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q-revercoin holdecoin quiseporacoin glypecoin usaumcoin rfollocoin baggedcoin temparncoin l3841coin zowcoin braincoin :coin redgrecoin mempaicoin raintfcoin petrocoin sellcoin thumorecoin toicoin condicoin < 1396805114 332467 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396805115 800588 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhotorcoin nconveccoin gracoin smycelcoin kayakcoin bythessenhohcoin dobbocoin brbcoin devercoin rnarycoin memmentcoin sedcoin sorccoin overspidcoin bhacoin convecorritcoin migoritaffcoin objectdrumcoin tbfcoin huntedlyearandeltcoin < 1396805124 283577 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1396805124 837316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' < 1396805130 299890 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1396805331 744276 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396806112 255991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, someone was just querying for "DrIvErcAzo.esOLaNGs.oRg" (with that capitalization) when I was debugging a (non-esolangs) DNS thing and looking at tcpdump. < 1396806127 544752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spoiler: there is no such host.) < 1396806156 792830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /said/ that brute-forcing the space of all domain names would be harder than brute-forcing IPs :-) < 1396806207 330165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, and now crawl-66-249-66-216.googlebot.com asked for "drivercazo.esolangs.org", in lowercase. Was that in fact something at some point? < 1396806237 196817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four Google hits for the name. < 1396806257 783465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps someone linked to it < 1396806266 962331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that random caps < 1396806272 892801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and googlebot converts to lowercase < 1396806395 403643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two of the hits did have curious-looking links; for /stranica/drayver-dlya-netronix-mn01.html and /catalog/drayver-dlya-i7500.html. < 1396806998 243414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Use+of+Mixed+Case+DNS+Queries/12418 < 1396807036 723933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There were more mixed-case queries, so I got curious.) < 1396807091 933763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crafty trick. < 1396807289 524191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IME the logs are always filled with the weirdest things < 1396807316 909956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://twitter.com/zucrowgo/status/184029492237438976 < 1396807320 760773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even looked at the web server log. < 1396809267 99476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_: "We have two mugs of tea; one has pictures of geese and one has the MongoDB logo." shachaf: "Oh no, which is the lesser of two evils?" < 1396809869 787255 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geese are evil? < 1396810468 767466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interesting, that mixed case thing, but I wonder what happens when some DNS server doesn't maintain the case. Surely stuff will break then, and if you allow for that you basically nullified security. < 1396810476 873635 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geese are vicious! < 1396810484 152109 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They bite. < 1396810541 63852 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, You can't even reliably keep track of when it worked in the past of course, since the server software could change, or there could be some BGP anycast going on making it resolve to different servers at different points in time < 1396810548 626849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably works most of the time, but still... < 1396810596 766202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page you linked even said "almost all" hm < 1396810679 623223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RFC says "all". < 1396810687 145909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though of course that's just an empirical observation. < 1396810701 431258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only find a draft RFC for it < 1396810713 97291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The draft is what I meant. < 1396810713 294955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 2008 < 1396810728 458965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is quite a long time for it just to sit around as a draft isn't ut? < 1396810731 137061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it* < 1396810793 523691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long enough that it has expired, yes. < 1396810800 731006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1396810819 641056 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396810831 238247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The validity period is six months.) < 1396810834 401795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I use unbound locally, I could probably turn it on < 1396810910 2571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The expired draft does mention "a small set of rare and/or private label authoritative DNS implementations" that do lowercase names. < 1396810944 470377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1396811012 785329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geese don't have moral agency so I guess they can't be evil < 1396811017 50220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are vicious, though < 1396811019 723226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :swans are worse though < 1396811026 519560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :swans will break your arm < 1396811028 742829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, are you sure they don't? < 1396811035 164655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also fight to the death over territory < 1396811049 938281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which upsets people who want swans to be peaceful symbols of love < 1396811059 458612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pigeons are a much better peaceful symbol of love < 1396811067 433836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably finally get DNSSEC on for zem.fi one of these days; it's just that IIRC, the free secondary-DNS service I've been using doesn't grok the records. < 1396811070 858639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kind of shabby that none of them do TSIG for zone transfers, either.) < 1396811077 470643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time a flock of geese chased douglass_ and me down a hill and almost into the Charles River Basin < 1396811121 489277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that time when I was in the middle of a flock of geese, the ones behind me were trying to force me forwards in order to disturb the ones ahead of me < 1396811130 830935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them actually attacked but it was pretty scary < 1396811142 710166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> lunch < 1396811146 249847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, pigeons? Peace? Really? When I hear pigeon I think of all the issues they cause in cities < 1396811159 371208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did I ever give you alan dipert's email? in case there's ever any domain stuff with esolangs.org < 1396811164 992867 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is a symbol of love, given how many there are < 1396811178 25453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think I have it, no. < 1396811178 559990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you missed out the article :-( < 1396811179 959643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when people like them they usually call them "doves" instead of "pigeons", but the terms are basically interchangeable < 1396811198 877170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, alan@dipert.org then < 1396811210 993408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that you've said it, it actually sounds familiar. < 1396811215 750815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes, and I see right through that nomenclature and still dislike them :P < 1396811227 827482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although googling suggests adipert@acm.org?? < 1396811239 103514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the alan dipert" was the usual terminology, IIRC < 1396811253 977085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alan@dipert.org is the one I received emails from and sent to. < 1396811270 943062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're different people? < 1396811285 562876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, speaking of free secondary DNS, what do you use for that? < 1396811375 559877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they are not. < 1396811384 808872 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396811414 472932 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, IIRC pigeons supposedly don’t taste too bad if they haven’t been eating trash. < 1396811417 921351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, been looking for one myself < 1396811443 843095 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396811481 760712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use twisted4life.com at the moment, but it's kind of clunky. And their server is in Malaysia somewhere, which I guess is good for redundancy, but it's quite slow from many places. Earlier, I've used afraid.org and xname.org. And there's buddyns.com and dns.he.net I've heard of. < 1396811515 402528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm what about more than 2 DNS server? Couldn't you use several. < 1396811533 13452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but it's even more of a hassle. < 1396811538 33316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1396811551 344486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those come with more than one server, anyway. < 1396811554 296130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume the he.net one is quite reputable < 1396811592 67111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about it, since I already have their IPv6 pipe and all, but they don't have DNSSEC support yet either. (Not sure if that just means for their primary DNS side, though.) < 1396811684 252335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of those you mentioned seems to support DNSSEC, at least they are not listing it < 1396811722 159903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall afraid.org had something. < 1396811747 793296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their FAQ doesn't say anything about it, though. < 1396811947 56002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1396812055 145542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And there's https://acc.rollernet.us/help/dns/secondary.php that I know of that's explicitly DNSSEC-compatible and free.) < 1396812081 158302 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396812215 631265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://forums.he.net/index.php?topic=3139.0 "still some hurdles" < 1396812294 487379 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: I use https://puck.nether.net/dns/ and http://freedns.afraid.org/secondary/ < 1396812307 990999 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: http://www.frankb.us/dns/ < 1396812324 506749 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones i’m using support DNSSEC. < 1396812572 134455 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@72-161-15-177.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396813188 795891 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396813320 954078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, hm nice < 1396813389 984010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh I just got SMS spam, that was new < 1396813499 732747 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess CM doesn't have a block list, oh well < 1396813742 183597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, based on that link ion posted, I guess afraid is good < 1396813749 730099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't do ipv6 apparently < 1396814187 983865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, elliott, ion: What is a good VPS provider? I want to do my own domain, web server and mail server basically. < 1396814201 401376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably priced < 1396814353 621908 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m afraid i don’t know, i haven’t been looking for a VPS. < 1396814546 382723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running zem.fi on Tilaa, and I think it's good. < 1396814577 952521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That really-cheap-dedicated-server link someone posted was rather intriguing, too.) < 1396814597 945612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's "Tilaa" as in tilaa.nl.) < 1396814632 238753 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That redirects to tilaa.com < 1396814654 888449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I wouldn't want to deal with the crap that a dedicated server means < 1396814676 351963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Tilaa uses xen I guess? < 1396814785 980771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess .com is their primary domain, then. < 1396814789 316052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it's a Xen shop. < 1396814791 168394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396814804 575473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what a reasonable price is here though < 1396814855 652445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess they allow mail? And I presume irc too? < 1396814865 151518 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in bouncer, not server) < 1396814872 671163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can compare prices with some "mainstream" providers, like Linode or a reserved Amazon EC2 instance. < 1396814877 920111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1396814941 45286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think Tilaa has any restrictions except some generic "must follow local (Dutch) law" clause. < 1396814946 367765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And something about the bandwidth. < 1396814991 634224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says network traffic is unlimted/free on the configurator at least < 1396815008 552716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there is some clause about null routing in case of DDoS or similar though < 1396815042 514717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- not allowed to run services that continuously use full capacity, like public software mirrors, BitTorrent seeding or web crawling/indexing --" in the "knowledge base". < 1396815047 253732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather vaguely worded, but oh well. < 1396815056 502384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well okay, that seems kind of reasonable < 1396815090 86345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other places where you pay for anything above some fixed number, which is arguably at least more consistent. < 1396815099 486653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a "reserved" EC2 mean btw? < 1396815160 771256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also EC2 pricing is convoluted < 1396815179 505954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have "on-demand" instances where you pay per hour whenever the server is online, and "reserved" instances where you make a single payment, and then get a discounted hourly rate. < 1396815202 233381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I thought reserved instances had some monthly price, but apparently it's an upfront cost nowadays. May have changed, of course.) < 1396815202 471700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I seem to remember reading about EC2 blocking outgoing SMTP < 1396815268 462560 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I can't be bothered to dig through that pricing model < 1396815287 571694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's kind of convoluted. Separate prices for data transfer and storage and all that. < 1396815297 417607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for Linode you should be able to find a single number. < 1396815313 801186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it seems generally a bit more expensive than Tilaa < 1396815384 255795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used prgmr before Tilaa (like I guess I've mentioned), and I don't have anything really to complain there either, except for some lag for interactive use (but I doubt they can do much about the speed of light). It's a bit less "commercial-looking" than Tilaa. < 1396815492 657820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so far Tilaa seems to offer the most bang for the buck < 1396815532 581771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why does prgmr list Debian 6.0.3 as an option they will install, but not Debian 7? Debian 6 is *oldstable* < 1396815555 452054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not impressed by that in the least < 1396815736 932556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, EC2 is only 99.95% uptime? I expected more from them < 1396815892 702259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are quite a few extremely cheap places selling OpenVZ and the like, if you want to go that way. < 1396815900 743826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell no < 1396815910 863348 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that is sneaky, Tilaa excludes "external factors" "such as" "DDoS attacks" < 1396815922 983571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the uptime guarantee < 1396815938 834691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway you said Tilaa used xen right? < 1396815953 694311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway why would places using openvz be cheaper < 1396815987 716305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because you don't need to dedicate RAM for your guests then. < 1396816002 446494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to oversell. < 1396816083 173808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396816152 354779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah Tilaa's uptime guarnatee is kind of shitty, seems good otherwise though < 1396816254 883631 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1396816326 140707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which distro did you go for on Tilaa btw? < 1396816340 435871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just out of interest < 1396816346 97637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian. < 1396816349 952099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396816406 27012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, their SLA is kind of funny; I guess it only includes their own mistakes and nothing else, since their own planned maintenance as well as acts of unspecified "third parties" are all excluded. < 1396816418 490393 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396816473 375396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think of Tilaa? I know you're not exactly running there, but you've been speaking via them for no particular reason except convenience and vanity. < 1396816474 750554 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: madam president, mr mauro used an example. finally, mr marset campos: we hope that the process in november with the formal presentation of the euro and in view of the fact that the president of the commission, and we will also have to work with you to intervene to stop uncontrolled and illegal immigration on public opinion and the draft joint action as amended, i would ask for the commission and in the draft resolution < 1396816621 2887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not run it on tilaa? < 1396816625 741512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Model files too large? < 1396816754 865887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's a bit late, but "money is given to improving transparency" is indeed a synthesis. (From "In connection with global loans, that is, the Copenhagen facility, money is given to banks which then issue the loans." and "-- priority should be given to improving transparency and a clear demarcation of powers between the European Union and the Member States.") < 1396816800 107031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, they're slightly large. But there's no really strong reason why not, except laziness. < 1396816819 634725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how large are they, combined? < 1396816825 82121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chroot jail for fungot is 646M. < 1396816825 321405 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, the report proposes to introduce competition in air transport services entails risks which have been declared adopted and i do it willingly. madam president, i am fully behind the support which the european parliament. < 1396816842 846418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, that is just program, interpreter and model? < 1396816866 151235 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the interpreter + libraries would account for a couple of megabytes at most < 1396816871 230281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's not even that, since I kludged in cfunge the "chroot at startup" feature. < 1396816890 683105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only the Funge-98 sources and data. < 1396816930 455884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey, you should send a patch upstream ;P < 1396816949 920129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently some DNS resolver support files, though I don't think those are used for anything at the moment. < 1396816950 706398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I would be using an umlbox like what HackEgo uses < 1396816964 890678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An umlbox might be nice too. < 1396816975 985787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would be out of question on a VPS though? < 1396816989 895150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess since it is xen, you could do it... < 1396816990 193111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo runs on a VPS, so I don't see why not. < 1396816997 201255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm okay < 1396817010 333203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's just a process almost just like any other. < 1396817046 223458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it used special stuff from the kernel < 1396817048 669890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe not < 1396817054 234053 :maurer_!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817079 117598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some sort of a performance thing. < 1396817082 411399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the details. < 1396817092 936976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen is "just" like having your own machine. < 1396817095 993685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the ways in which it's not. < 1396817108 632555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as you couldn't do hw virutalization inside it yeah < 1396817133 549786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML had the "Skas mode" that needed a patch, but I can't remember if that got replaced by something newer. < 1396817196 229834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cfunge process has a RSS of 6988k and a VSZ of 27592k, so I guess it would fit okayish even on my so-small-they-no-longer-sell-it 256M RAM Tilaa instance. < 1396817255 640561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, what does it cost you? < 1396817272 110142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I forget what VSZ is < 1396817282 175530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Address space cost, I think. < 1396817284 903348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 4.77 EUR/month, IIRC. < 1396817298 19840 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817299 923535 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817300 430220 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817302 970009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817303 392597 :itsy!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817304 104398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396817311 103175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's including VAT; the prices quoted on their page were, at least before, excluding it.) < 1396817314 553097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Oh, so cheaper than any available option, < 1396817324 127363 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817345 684559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But it's also "only" 6 gigs of disk, too. < 1396817362 140482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a implementation of a "CREATE FUNCTION" command on SQL. < 1396817372 597874 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1396817383 320763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, make that 10 gigs, apparently. Huh. I was sure it was six. < 1396817387 935784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, if that server supports this SQL extensions or not. < 1396817514 40584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1396817514 703448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1396817525 834366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite new. < 1396817649 529177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are not going to store any movies and/or pornography, then probably 6 GB is sufficient. < 1396817670 570662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817687 86777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit few also for things like photos. < 1396817732 659487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our collection of vacation photos shared with family and friends seems to be 21G at the moment. < 1396817741 968746 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817799 33748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1396817995 697014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, UML documentation is so fragmentary and (in many places) old. The HOWTO in Documentation/ of the kernel sources is from 2002, the sf.net page at http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ has just links to "The UML Wiki" with an "It works!" default page in it and "The Old UML Site", and so on. < 1396818074 967873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2006/09/13/user-mode-linux-and-skas0/ well, that's not new either, but I think that's the "skas mode with no patched kernel on the host" thing I thought existed. < 1396818100 257932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't think there are skas3 patches for anything newer than 2.6.x. < 1396818204 717020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1396818304 195100 :iano!~iano@c-24-21-198-217.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396818326 113458 :iano!~iano@c-24-21-198-217.hsd1.or.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1396819485 170745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, I added AVR in that quiz. < 1396819675 40195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh, which variant of AVR is that < 1396819681 175064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I coded for the ATMega128 iirc < 1396819802 143958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also it likes giving me the fake opcode "BR" a /lot/ < 1396819806 165203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it 3 times in a row < 1396819836 829030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess the instruction set is too small? < 1396819846 991783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "grep AVR_INSN avr.h | cut -c 11- | sed -e 's/,.*//' | sort | uniq". And it is quite small, yes. < 1396819896 578582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I got 89% at best < 1396819906 551655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :More commonly around 85% < 1396819929 504842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aZaF it does seem quite fond of "br". < 1396819946 323341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a "uniq -c" on 100 generated opcodes.) < 1396819972 659541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a shorter model order might've been better for this. < 1396820038 171058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396822117 742465 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396822783 321611 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396823174 763421 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396823975 152250 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1396824162 301741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtristan: NULL values in columns take up one byte of disk space each, I think. < 1396824170 294514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1396824279 864679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: counterpoint: pigeons are awesome, screw you < 1396824290 171929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some pigeons have made a nest behind a plastic fake owl at my house <3 < 1396824300 710710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind meant to keep birds away < 1396824369 755718 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pigeons are not my favourite bird < 1396824388 341709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your favourite bird < 1396824403 831478 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't seem to have been made to the same scale as any of the other birds that appear in my garden < 1396824413 225328 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I dunno, the blackbird, maybe? < 1396824424 712998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Universal Machine14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39226 5* 03EzoLang 5* (+102) 10Possible duplicate < 1396824424 903887 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a coal tit? < 1396824433 975643 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on that's new < 1396824458 196429 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did HackEgo start doing that < 1396824477 536407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this morning, maybe < 1396824493 941749 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1396824502 61902 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song of the Australian Magpie is other-worldly < 1396824610 351620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: EzoLang seems to have a point < 1396824658 91619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how about seagulls < 1396824661 830446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seagulls are good < 1396824667 131404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example i'm the best < 1396824668 345090 :nooodl!~nooodl@218.117-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396824684 864561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the seagulls around here feel out of place < 1396824687 481518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes seagulls. better than crows, anyhow. < 1396824692 656273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 25 miles from the coast < 1396824697 283330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i heard that seagulls have a bad reputation in norway < 1396824786 242333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well people don't like to have them too close, all the time. < 1396824795 713960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a bad reputation here < 1396824798 53257 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pigeons too < 1396824800 54703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're noisy and vindictive during breeding season < 1396824828 511243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the geese at my uni are notorious < 1396824837 32268 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396824949 278212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much geese in trondheim that i know of, we see them flying in their V formation during migration < 1396825004 262163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however somehow the noise of seagulls doesn't grate on me the same way crows do. < 1396825050 645206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans also tend to be noisy and vindictive during breeding season, which is all of the time. < 1396825776 827886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ended up getting chased by one of the geese at warwick < 1396825791 618007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was admittedly after i'd followed it around for a bit until it walked into a corner < 1396825830 49080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never corner a goose < 1396825831 532328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rookie mistake < 1396825870 314335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how does it feel going to an inferior university in the all-important metric of duck to student ratio? < 1396825870 830061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortly after that i realised i was no longer following the goose; the goose was following me < 1396825883 854007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, terrible < 1396825907 784127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there was a guy who got kicked out for, amongst other things, chasing a swan about the place last year < 1396825930 800788 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tried to sell a swan to someone I know < 1396825953 72783 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure how they got it that far from the lake < 1396826182 852476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: the play was good < 1396826193 151410 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I'm glad! < 1396826202 441676 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the second day of hac nyc anyway < 1396826209 451280 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that too was pretty good < 1396826241 961837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get me to some of these < 1396826255 691736 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be too hard to do hac yc < 1396826277 241491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: just go to zurihac < 1396826283 422151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or bayhac < 1396826288 270561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I really want to but hoooteeel roooooms < 1396826298 562155 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I like stay with you in your Zurich apartment < 1396826315 431734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a zurich apartment < 1396826332 991849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't predict my zurischedule < 1396826351 563749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396826557 747868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_(British_coin) < 1396826563 946454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how batshit insane this is < 1396826572 980923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With one of those I could afford a Zurich apartment! < 1396826581 719172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'let's have a coin worth £1.05!' < 1396827003 808817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you moving to zurich < 1396827026 166813 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the near future < 1396827040 972585 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the majority of an undergraduate degree to complete < 1396827067 146853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But after that? Who knows! < 1396827071 752913 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go where the wind takes me < 1396827126 912057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just remind you the earth is something like 4/5 ocean hth < 1396827164 764867 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people with boats, it's cushty < 1396827171 111828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm 25 miles from the coast < 1396827186 548795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine that Taneb is p. wind-resistant < 1396827192 988201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably ok < 1396827195 748995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm 70.8% says this link < 1396827436 556671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live p. close to the uk's pole of inaccessibility < 1396827438 396678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not great < 1396827524 148353 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In holiday-time I live near England's pole of inaccessibility from roads < 1396827562 907906 :bigbugkik!~bigbugkik@91.213.220.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396827745 832673 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1396827749 150190 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did... < 1396827755 163084 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just use the word "cushty" < 1396827869 843905 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396828368 713352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396828395 95313 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396828569 938408 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396828701 351952 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396828778 111809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: new cushtoms < 1396828824 643796 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396828828 887655 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396829408 82788 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396829507 92992 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hoon is real, but whether Hoon is for real is debatable." < 1396830728 769454 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396830823 361284 :maurer_!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU NICK :maurer < 1396831078 425088 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1396831118 753377 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396831119 785172 :itsy!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396831344 52782 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396834286 524218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ObjectArt14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39227&oldid=39036 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+167) 10/* Other numbers */ < 1396835366 208969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that and why you put too much ^C codes on it? < 1396835487 884623 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wiki updates, of course. < 1396835580 547984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was that added < 1396835615 484221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^C is the price you pay for not having colors in your client. you chose your road, now you pay the piper < 1396835730 74331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this morning < 1396835983 390966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have colors on my computer < 1396836013 356414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still has too much regardless of that or not. < 1396836123 853277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's fine. the colors look nice. < 1396836134 411425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than `relcome has < 1396836178 134508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, at least is less than `relcome has. < 1396836354 274760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a example code to make up a custom aggregate function in PostgreSQL. It looks like terrible to me! The syntax I implemented is clearly better (at least to me, it is). The PostgreSQL code is: CREATE FUNCTION append_id(TEXT, INTEGER) RETURNS TEXT AS ' SELECT CASE WHEN $2 = 0 THEN $1 ELSE $1 || '' '' || CAST($2 AS TEXT) END;' LANGUAGE 'sql' WITH (ISCACHABLE, ISSTRICT); CREATE AGGREGATE id_list ( SFUNC = append_id, BASETYPE = INTEGER, S < 1396836359 306620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you call it terrible? < 1396836488 197481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but then all sql languages are terrible < 1396836589 454796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SQLite is better. It doesn't have any CREATE FUNCTION built-in but I added one. < 1396836696 245695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this way better? CREATE FUNCTION ID_LIST(X) ACCUMULATING(R = NULL SET TO COALESCE(R || ' ' || X,X)) AS COALESCE(R,''); < 1396836740 474833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You don't need it anyways, since SQLite has a "group_concat" function built-in which does this, but it is to demonstrate the example.) < 1396836781 524942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Why do you think SQL is terrible? < 1396836859 218411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it doesn't feel like programming. if you want to have a point-free query scheme for manipulating data, why not use a dataflow/concatenative language? < 1396836876 940529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL isn't point-free... < 1396836882 705214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really anyway < 1396836901 428863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore. but that only makes it worse. < 1396836919 390965 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396836920 624997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: SQL looks fine to do such thing, to me. At least SQLite is; procedural SQL and that stuff tends to be more terrible. < 1396837074 303241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also think bash looks ugly. perhaps that is influencing my judgment... < 1396837126 55636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1396837448 45845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems my syntax may not be suitable for some kinds of aggregate functions though; for that it may be useful to define an alternate syntax, which puts all input records in one temporary table which is accessed by the expression after "AS". For example, it might help if you want to calculate the median of a data set. < 1396837588 565966 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1396837850 855272 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 foobar2000's gapless playback < 1396837967 555675 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't like most of the music on Magnatune.com..... but you might" < 1396837988 485531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know even iTunes has done gapless playback for years now, right? < 1396838002 685598 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used iTunes < 1396838015 557285 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, Winamp did it way back in the day. < 1396838043 638309 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used WinAmp... maybe I haven't used it with albums that need gapless playback (Ridin' the Faders and one particular Enya album) < 1396838084 235279 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, all gapless playback fails horribly if done with not-well-encoded MP3 files. < 1396838105 485299 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Magnatune butchered Ridin' the Faders when it started inserting ads < 1396838107 386428 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1396838146 875632 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MP3 files will have a bit of silence in them for padding) < 1396838219 695464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear winamp really whupps the llama's ass < 1396838512 757002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan must have been asleep... < 1396838558 330096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396838568 967071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396839009 995397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cyclic tag system14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39228&oldid=39187 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+1808) 10Undo revision 39187 by [[Special:Contributions/Oerjan|Oerjan]] ([[User talk:Oerjan|talk]]) (were you asleep when you did this?) < 1396839195 296277 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396839265 486992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396839551 517413 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396839840 236297 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396840625 266430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read my latest Dungeons&Dragons recording that I typed yesterday? < 1396841331 705896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, whenever I buy cup noodles, I go through a cycle of thinking that the 7-eleven clerk might think I'm poor, then feeling guilty about the previous thought < 1396841367 755753 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just buy them in industrial quantities from the manufacturer < 1396841392 926929 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It is highly unlikely the clerk even particularly cares. < 1396841409 681904 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, cup noodles are an indicator of either poverty *or laziness*. < 1396841416 581179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the clerk wouldn't (and shouldn't) care. < 1396841428 5768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I usually end up asking if I can use their hot water < 1396841454 735473 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. You are generally a very uninteresting part of their day. < 1396841635 455944 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. I have had an awesome song on my computer since 2005, carried with me through a variety of systems, and I haven't heard it until now < 1396841638 536606 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all, that I remember < 1396841643 336834 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might not have remembered < 1396841644 637228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if they do think of such thing, probably they don't care, and it wouldn't affect you, anyways. < 1396841827 472034 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396842646 51946 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: SoniEx2 < 1396842669 111475 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396842968 309945 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396842980 227615 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396843168 287091 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396843947 186800 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396843986 104417 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396844136 735937 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a better way to indicate which pieces of music are my favorites < 1396844149 396744 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396844165 216622 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396844171 401050 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past, I've used KDE ... marker things (or maybe GNOME marker things), Windows shortcuts, and literally copy/pasting the file so that I get "Copy of ..." < 1396844181 686568 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the last one survived to this day < 1396844196 535563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :executable bits hth < 1396844272 676385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would question whether that would actually have survived to the present, but apparently I have last modified dates that have survived from 2005 < 1396844739 303696 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.wired.com/robots.txt huh. < 1396844987 335775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Move (or delete) the music you don't like. < 1396846199 747190 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1396846689 586141 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396846707 140252 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396846835 8440 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396846835 712719 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396846888 291689 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: bai < 1396846950 256367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The too many ^C codes are part of stock MediaWiki; they're from the IRCColourfulRCFeedFormatter of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCFeeds and there's no IRCColourlessRCFeedFormatter available. (Though I could have stripped the color codes off myself, I guess.) < 1396848357 287047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't you just modify it? < 1396848579 371954 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1396848710 428890 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396849536 157277 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396850664 788504 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396851151 67237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396851238 326658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw no particular reason to, for the channel of `relcome and all. < 1396851470 157030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious; the latest few recent changes have not been announced. < 1396851477 46474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't think it was *that* brittle. < 1396851579 766734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken down it has, indeed. Strange. Even though the bridge bit is still running. < 1396851671 778590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's no HackEgo connected. < 1396851701 796823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396851711 242166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396851747 440427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what has broken the post-reconnection rejoin of HackEgo; I haven't touched that part. (And it rejoined after that one ping timeout up there, at 02:43 UTC, but not after the 02:55 UTC one.) < 1396851755 327465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] testing, testing, 1, 2, 3 < 1396851763 646603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that part had not broken down. < 1396852713 830527 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396852768 216693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inlining a lambda into its caller is a kind of constant propagation < 1396852796 803985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, compression is learning < 1396852931 748362 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396853029 616647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mushroomobserver.org/162974?q=1ttKN found & photographed by douglass_ in our backyard < 1396853241 527221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :difficult not to read as mushroom mob server < 1396853285 638415 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy is strict, right? < 1396853296 746908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that mushroom today < 1396853299 256657 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just lies to the strictness analyzer? < 1396853391 987274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you could vote on what kind it is < 1396855386 19500 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically the one you saw is not pictured though i might add a picture < 1396855396 63651 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't turn out quite as well < 1396855434 987136 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mushroomexpert.com/major_groups.html here's a key you can use < 1396855631 907144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mushroomexpert.com/abnormal.html < 1396855635 710324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a three-headed morel! < 1396856342 452693 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found an Agaricus with another perfectly formed cap growing right out of the top < 1396856346 637644 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't get a picture though < 1396856366 775508 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was on Mt. Sutro a bit before I found the Chicken of the Woods that I cloned.) < 1396856390 84731 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396856484 618765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: huh indeed < 1396856838 398932 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396856938 526880 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1396857024 227760 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396857043 856915 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i shut down my computer the display totally goes to shit, it almost looks like snow < 1396857049 357120 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if it's the weird proprietary drivers somehow < 1396857119 786449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's uploading nam-shubs thru yr. optic nerve < 1396857144 468352 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#badbios < 1396857290 16685 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1396858011 47411 :Slereah!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396858078 446896 :Slereah_!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396859371 116513 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396860122 387769 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396860330 305251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/dELU (paraphrasing from Finnish) well, that's a big change indeed. < 1396860710 546529 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1396860817 864550 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396860825 16534 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396861056 146697 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396861114 20487 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396861114 211033 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396861411 177342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396861449 229076 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1396861460 59635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1396861460 764305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1396861479 348920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ho < 1396861479 933909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1396861485 929494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's off to work we go. < 1396861492 869 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396861492 277578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not getting to the codu logs < 1396861511 598294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1396861528 539478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stalker mode, at least.) < 1396861533 720581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1396861591 25805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the name of that effect where things start working as soon as you get someone to look at it < 1396861611 316195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fine for me, as long as it gets me to the logs) < 1396861723 920902 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1396861843 912741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396862037 139007 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cyclic tag system14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39231&oldid=39229 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10/* Example */ A paranoid test < 1396862081 522862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's called "the demo effect", at least in Finnish and hereabouts. < 1396862101 447470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: my only explanation is that i somehow had two edit windows open, one only for the section and one for the whole article, and somehow pasted from vim into the wrong one < 1396862142 374286 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the demo effect sounds like the other way round to me < 1396862151 750312 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, things stop working when you try to show them off < 1396862217 176017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that, and somehow missing my routine of checking my edits afterwards. maybe i _was_ asleep. < 1396862271 968150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying when that effect happens to bugs I'm supposed to fix < 1396862436 699526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think it's (at least occasionally) applied both ways, here; as in, also for bugs that stop "working" (start working) when you try to show them off. < 1396862458 288598 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that makes sense < 1396862841 920113 :Slereah!~jackal@117.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396863035 167332 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1396864069 667542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GG has an 4th wall breaking almost title-drop today :) < 1396864117 107561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://archive.wired.com/robots.txt huh. <-- i had to test one of those, didn't i :( < 1396864463 436200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Universal_Machine and http://esolangs.org/wiki/UM-32 are duplicates. I didn't search carefully enough. < 1396864484 316415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should I clean these up? should I merge the former into the latter? < 1396864516 235535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think UM-32 is a better name < 1396864533 890663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where's that name from? is it mentioned somewhere in the task description? < 1396864543 255230 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1396864552 256180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://boundvariable.org/um-spec.txt says "Object: UM-32 "Universal Machine"" < 1396864670 583205 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396865033 602928 :bigbugkik!~bigbugkik@91.213.220.94 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396865271 25714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07UM-3214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39232&oldid=25362 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1066) 10 < 1396865428 355607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Universal Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39233&oldid=39226 5* 03B jonas 5* (+107) 10 < 1396865448 945343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Universal Machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39234&oldid=39191 5* 03B jonas 5* (-1201) 10Redirected page to [[UM-32]] < 1396865478 245528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39235&oldid=39209 5* 03B jonas 5* (-24) 10 < 1396865568 8625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see this getting annoying with those people who edit articles in tiny steps < 1396865584 586334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably break down far before that. < 1396865592 466759 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is this the first instance of a bot with a useful function for this channel? < 1396865607 437630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you hear that?! < 1396865607 977394 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr papayannakis, is going to deal with it seriously with socio-economic accompaniment measures which, if implemented, will offer a referendum to the national data protection authorities, according to whether the us measures, which are normally very small and the large export capacity of many developing countries. < 1396865675 144870 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396865693 895943 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1396865743 375445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you so mean < 1396865791 749565 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome.es is useful isn't it < 1396865792 375051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome.es: not found < 1396865809 826135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido < 1396865810 646136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1396865825 548764 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helooodl! < 1396865853 311783 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is «journée d'élections»! < 1396865948 880898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, the university main building had Finnish flags in the set of five flagpoles beside the main entrance, as opposed to the silly colorful university flags they usually do. < 1396865953 639907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's probably some sort of a day. < 1396866010 715929 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: clearly celebrating canadian journée d'élections < 1396866018 842313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't think I saw flags out there generally, so maybe it's something more specific. < 1396866049 65683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Nooodl/test14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39236 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+2) 10Created page with "hi" < 1396866072 108282 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe User: namespace edits shouldn't be reported < 1396866093 356460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"International Bird Migration Day in Costa Rica" it's probably not that < 1396866106 914764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd not use finnish flags then < 1396866120 235346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The feed functionality didn't really have any options. Other than to hide bot edits, but I guess we don't have any wikibots? < 1396866149 830142 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a wikibot? < 1396866150 475018 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: madam president, please allow me to make one observation and three recommendations. as i have already referred to some of you have referred to, which may be suffered by women on account of support from the structural reform process laid down in the wait-and-see policy and the activities of the paramilitaries' involvement in the support of all current internal investigations involving allegations of fraud and irregulariti < 1396866154 596717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could add a d in the sed, I guess. < 1396866167 406476 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's the day they can air the flags without worrying because the birds will be away ;) < 1396866206 340318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well during major spam runs we sometimes turn on the bot flag to make them disappear. but that only works in afterthought. < 1396866207 75642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a congress bot now. < 1396866220 111386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disappear from recent changes < 1396866279 711913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, is Freefall now going to turn into a month of heated debate? < 1396866293 115339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1396866308 414610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think it'll be at least 3 months hth < 1396866370 196021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might be alternating with sam and florence < 1396866393 133418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make that a year of on-off debate. < 1396866440 125023 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, first we have to rehash all of Asimov's logic tricks. < 1396866462 856922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, let's wait and see. < 1396866498 488688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Dr. Bowman gets a chance to make an appearance and save the day. That could be fun. < 1396866554 426234 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396866579 16773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39237&oldid=38919 5* 03Nooodl 5* (-59486) 10/* Implementations */ move to separate article < 1396866621 158562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's even borderline possible that the wiki notices might get more people work on it? < 1396866658 944900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish implementations14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39238 5* 03Nooodl 5* (+59587) 10Created page with "Implementations of the '''[[Deadfish]]''' language. Some of these implementations may not be considered fully compliant, sometimes because an implementor has implemented the ..." < 1396866758 37442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: eek < 1396866766 995023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are ruining years of tradition here < 1396866818 515473 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the tradition to stretch out the deadfish page to ridiculous lengths!! < 1396866825 112654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the number of implementations is the most impressive part of the deadfish page < 1396866828 644776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1396866854 821402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The language defined by the Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme" < 1396866866 273759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they revise it again, will you add another entry? < 1396866882 105819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they already did. and are doing it again. < 1396866925 509495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the implementation is in R5RS < 1396866962 120671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whether there are any changes that would break it in later ones, i don't know) < 1396867014 984827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :R⁷RS is getting to be pretty close to finished, these days. < 1396867131 204809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⁷ < 1396867131 874865 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2077 SUPERSCRIPT SEVEN] < 1396867284 634422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't've been fancy, I see. < 1396867387 127787 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see dead superscript sevens... < 1396867819 101975 :password2!~password@197.78.159.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396868520 514780 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CITIZEN CHICKEN < 1396868655 208076 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of deadfish: i ~omg optimized~ the hello world, and also generalized it < 1396868691 104408 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EJAQ like so < 1396871848 327675 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396871919 170984 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396871996 847138 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1396872540 118746 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396872950 936113 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396873430 644166 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396873815 473774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: we might as well delete the deadfish article if it isn't filled with implementations < 1396874318 828260 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1396874481 668585 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should i put 'em back? < 1396874498 755849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, arguable. I mean, it is deadfish < 1396874976 834019 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396875035 304663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( clearly there should be two pages, one with, and one without the implementations, in addition to the separate page of implementations, just to satisfy all tastes. ) < 1396875409 728657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one empty page with neither the implementations, nor the language. < 1396875789 348112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one stub with all the [citation needed] annotations. < 1396876368 769865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396876647 341242 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396876848 832099 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396877261 605080 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396877836 321275 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396877866 793753 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396877867 231292 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396877927 994900 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396878750 839175 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1396880122 26288 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396880633 46712 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396880687 513625 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1396880920 958153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396881130 578393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396881391 445322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396881409 994665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq < 1396881415 448330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. < 1396881504 37171 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I meant to change that. < 1396881526 271651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :change why? < 1396881533 598272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where faq < 1396881533 819892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ < 1396881577 14587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be a slightly more useful reply. < 1396881599 301767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less cheeky. < 1396881633 722565 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 NICK :BenignAardvark < 1396881646 489581 :BenignAardvark!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 NICK :Sellyme < 1396881793 890080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: enjoy all the whining you get in #haskell for it :) < 1396881841 963535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when was the last time you saw @faw being used on #haskell? My backlog isn't long enough ... < 1396881848 34634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq even < 1396881848 234306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. < 1396881858 719895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: oh shuddup. < 1396881888 297769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know, I left. but people made lots of sad faces at me just for saying I'd make @faq do that, when it was being used unhelpfully like once a day. < 1396881894 470539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in -ops :p < 1396881918 235470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the problem has gotten better. < 1396881936 233183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to silently change it and wait for the complaints. < 1396881950 337860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can wait for the ghc 7.8 update. < 1396881981 99157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :run on GHC HEAD! it'll be more exciting < 1396882035 244422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, no. < 1396882049 334699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to a month ago half of the dependencies didn't even build < 1396882073 637839 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396882074 374603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was surprised to find last weekend that they do build now) < 1396882431 437886 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1396882686 307371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1396882938 165920 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.devel.platform/7648 hell yeah < 1396883020 270627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all I needed for getting lambdabot to compile was a role annotation in a hs-boot file: https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/commit/dc7ee36480a3e2b4e1b25d0022de72b764029bf7 < 1396883175 593577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Should I feel bad about abusing this channel for talking about lambdabot? < 1396883196 797526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed how little we talk about esolangs? < 1396883219 664319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1396883298 411995 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written much code for lambdabot. Unfortunately the reference implementation changes often. < 1396883328 360502 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just have @faq say both < 1396883346 677748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice d20 < 1396883346 881634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 11 < 1396883348 677858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1396883381 734395 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq couldn't you just have @faq say both < 1396883381 939999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. < 1396883437 851752 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that question is asked frequently < 1396883491 267279 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you, a frequentist? < 1396883493 334743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted random answers I'd change @faq into an 8ball clone. < 1396883599 564080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want an 8-ball, /msg perlbot 8ball your question here < 1396883622 760437 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1396883641 836061 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@169.244.180.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396883660 718900 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite Pugs I still believe that using Perl is against the spirit of Haskell. < 1396883685 285278 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want an 8-ball, wait a random period of time and ask #haskell whether you can retrieve the IO from an IO String < 1396883711 498525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: That sounds like a viable approach. < 1396883733 390416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Assuming you meant to retrieve the String. < 1396883750 964320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396883752 984406 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote IO.from < 1396883753 182678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. You untyped fool! < 1396883780 713916 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom IO.String < 1396883781 390976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: How do I extract the IO out of IO String? < 1396883809 291683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Typical monochrom there. < 1396883835 157104 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396885008 520483 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@169.244.180.190 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396885108 345076 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@169.244.180.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396885202 241565 :tromp!~tromp@69.112.160.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396885300 767211 :tromp!~tromp@69.112.160.118 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396885343 781108 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396885407 883026 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1396885596 371949 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396888201 961914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you play a computer game "Sub-EBCDIC ZZT Village Part II"? < 1396888214 436995 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@169.244.180.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396888475 729527 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1396889074 774270 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396889664 553941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (948) < 1396889665 310392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (948): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1396890009 838212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember: Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. < 1396890090 762566 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ the barely wiki page is wrong, also the brainfuck conversions are now wrong < 1396890105 463836 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y u no test. < 1396890163 514875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should fix it please. < 1396890179 396354 :S1!~chatzilla@p4FF93BC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1396890188 939153 :S1!~chatzilla@p4FF93BC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1396890838 341094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MarioLANG14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39239&oldid=37562 5* 03T.J.S.1 5* (+119) 10correction about 99bottles program < 1396891278 284048 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396892363 28013 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1396893328 719623 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea i had: can you perform any calculations using the functions and constants in python's "math" module < 1396893357 728144 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like A+B is pow(hypot(sqrt(A),sqrt(B)),trunc(gamma(pi))) < 1396893633 780330 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable < 1396893647 585467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A*B is log(pow(exp(A),B)) and A+B is log(exp(A)*exp(B)) is log(log(pow(exp(exp(A)),exp(B)))) but that hits floating-point range errors pretty soon. < 1396893655 813919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can compute 1+2 but not 5+7. < 1396893765 578683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+3 is still okay, too, and only involves 2.851123567946167e+64 as an intermediate number. < 1396893886 647122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "math" allow you to specify a base for log? i know mpmath does. if so, you can use 1.0000000000001 as a base and add large numbers too < 1396894442 642302 :chaiomanot!~chaiomano@72-161-15-177.dyn.centurytel.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1396894484 372971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, yes. < 1396894493 688396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is a true.) < 1396894633 149448 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_a(b) = log(b)/log(a) (where _ indicates a subscript) < 1396894681 192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: / is not in the module < 1396894717 630426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though since you can give base as an argument, maybe that's a way to do A/B. < 1396894720 356350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> log(log(pow(pow(1.0000000000001,pow(1.0000000000001,17)),pow(1.0000000000001,13)),1.0000000000001),1.0000000000001) < 1396894723 602183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0 < 1396894724 875671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has some round-off problems, though. < 1396894728 12972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> log(log(pow(pow(1.001,pow(1.001,17)),pow(1.001,13)),1.001),1.001) < 1396894728 217543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :30.00000000004227 < 1396894732 262390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite close. < 1396894734 768466 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tan(atan2(A,B)) works sometimes! < 1396894759 48667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I missed the significance of the quotes. < 1396894772 360639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to reading webcomics. < 1396894857 99137 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a power of -1 seems to be the obvious way to do A/B. i would expect less error. < 1396894991 442005 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the "gimmick" is you have to construct your constants from functions and math.e and math.pi!! < 1396895166 884060 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run π < 1396895167 934112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `π' < 1396895484 987717 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396895735 363854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: well, that pretty much bars you from doing large numbers. < 1396895879 188411 :password2!~password@197.78.159.110 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1396896128 710078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396896244 402318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> b = tanh(e); log(log(pow(pow(b,pow(b,17)),pow(b,13)),b),b) < 1396896244 609309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :30.000000000000284 < 1396896247 949602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not too shabby. < 1396896260 320027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though summing via hypot is much more sane, I'm not arguing against that. < 1396896269 545464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tanh is a nice way to get numbers close to one.) < 1396896335 839760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm didn't think of that < 1396896479 427470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you'd count fsum((A,B)) cheating? < 1396896532 128153 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah (imo forming tuples isn't in the module) < 1396896551 216906 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsum(frexp(1)) though < 1396896821 41976 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been thinking about having an esolang that gives you complex built-ins and forces you to build simple things through creative use of them < 1396897108 655313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that language on the wiki recently < 1396897326 377189 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/SELECT. hm! < 1396897562 48633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SELECT.14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39240&oldid=38622 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-1) 10/* Etymology */ grammar and spelling < 1396897713 554605 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1396897867 475586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm food < 1396897875 250217 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to get ready for work < 1396897997 404874 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1396898145 856198 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396898254 259330 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1396900104 740673 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that red M. minor edit? < 1396900168 871593 :Mortape123!a81acd71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.26.205.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396900216 545401 :Mortape123!a81acd71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.168.26.205.113 QUIT :Client Quit < 1396900229 740693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1396900248 305232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice to have it bright red like that, so that you don't miss any of those minor edits. < 1396900354 533483 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-33.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1396900393 204834 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-33.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1396900393 446753 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396900554 220104 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396901039 613490 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily < 1396901131 756915 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1396901377 866331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396901379 388576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nandcoin schecoin mailaxcoin biltcoin shinycoin checoin knglycoin biecoin percoin ~coin birdhmentalkcoin ooetiocoin gultermanaxatificularycogschcoin firecoin bulocoin rel-petcoin gottcoin henetidadcoin leszecoin congcoin < 1396901395 212342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of want HackEgo to join ##crypto just for that < 1396901417 640188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396901418 347077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396901443 361284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1396901648 683158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could arrange for `coins to temporarily join ##crypto, dump that, then leave < 1396901720 981849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I suspect the connections to IRC are managed outside the sandbox in a way that makes that messy) < 1396901766 607074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope so < 1396901782 781550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You are a correct. < 1396901786 615674 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a bot that tunnels coinage to the other channel < 1396901863 962764 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hard drive is almost full so I am going to get a new one < 1396901869 959629 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is much larger < 1396901919 963681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a trap, the new disk will also run out of space < 1396901947 470593 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code#Related_terms I feel that the images here really help illustrating the concept < 1396901953 295808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1396901963 266305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I did that, and now the hard disk in this desktop is so large, the disk for backups is having space problems. < 1396901990 511468 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. And it will take you longer to move off larger disks. It's like gravity. < 1396901990 821299 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I solve that problem by not caring about anything enough to back it up < 1396902040 542279 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any recommendations for hard-drive? < 1396902054 110730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :recommend a good one < 1396902074 137540 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hmm, most of those read like "good" code according to that article < 1396902108 754200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if lasagna code is "well-defined and separable layers", what's the term for code that is just layers everywhere? < 1396902165 630367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I bought a pair of "Seagate Barracuda ST3000DM001 3TB" disks for this desktop, because I've heard bad things about probably every (mainstream) brand, and it's all a crapshoot anyway. < 1396902187 629758 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's supermarket microwave oven lasagna code, which is when your layers leak into each other and there is an odd smell in the background. < 1396902188 69380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I've heard they have problems with reliability < 1396902189 887820 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last paragraph of the lasagna code section mentions how it could also be an anti-pattern if overdone < 1396902199 694351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I've heard that said of everything, though. < 1396902209 992061 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are two mainstream brands, so you may have indeed heard about all of them < 1396902256 892031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: There used to be more, though. < 1396902319 738479 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are the "green" disks, where most of the bad things you hear are actually true. Then there are the "black" ones which most people use. < 1396902345 907210 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :WD also has enough other colours to start a gay pride parade but most of them are just product binning. < 1396902375 51770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Seagate dropped the "green" nomenclature. < 1396902446 994766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396902463 516307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the Seagate section of the local shop, there's just other arbitrary terms ("Constellation", "Enterprise Capasity Series", "NAS", ...) now. < 1396902486 463415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the middle one was spelled "Enterprice" here. Trying to hint at something, perhaps. < 1396902512 539900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the c from "capacity". < 1396902518 624446 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you get to choose. < 1396902540 746094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinting that the shop owner doesn't spell well? < 1396902569 635875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's the biggest e-retailer in all of Finland, I think. < 1396902598 598664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkkokauppa.com Notable enough for Wikipedia, yet can't spell. < 1396902722 402368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, seagate spells it normally afaict < 1396902730 855749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to, yes. < 1396902739 762601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The product links also have it right there in the URL. < 1396902785 360870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WD has 3TB drives in "Green", "Purple", "Red", "Se" and "Black", and I'm wondering what kind of color "Se" is. < 1396902799 214919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's short for Server. < 1396902824 189085 :hexagon!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396902862 9172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :experts recommend buying a whole rainbow of drives < 1396903000 842508 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not a selenium hard drive < 1396903030 848999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WD Green Power -malleissa yhdistyy tehokkuus, luotettavuus ja ennen kaikkea virransäästö." "WD Purple-malleissa yhdistyy tehokkuus ja ennenkaikkea luotettavuus." "WD Red-malleissa yhdistyy tehokkuus, luotettavuus ja ennen kaikkea virransäästö." "WD Se-malleissa yhdistyy tehokkuus ja ennenkaikkea luotettavuus." "WD:n uudistuneessa Black -kovalevysarjassa yhdistyy huippuluokan ... < 1396903036 336103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... suorituskyky ja luotettavuus." Well, it's good that they're well differentiated, at least. < 1396903085 741875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Selenium comes in several colors. Neat. < 1396903135 26210 :Guest652!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h JOIN :#esoteric < 1396903155 112841 :Guest652!nyuszika7h@pdpc/supporter/active/nyuszika7h NICK :hexagon < 1396903823 241642 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396904545 732923 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396904610 667973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need more than one drive you can get each one different color, to tell apart. < 1396905180 615332 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396905197 920521 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396905909 528140 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396906775 422851 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396907292 132150 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396907776 246995 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1396907793 889852 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396908688 585339 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1396910472 911991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdebath14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39241&oldid=39221 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+557) 10/* Performance Matrix */ < 1396910523 86436 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1396910577 385176 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396910879 172974 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396912803 940185 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396912862 340794 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: 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705162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I fixed it so that filters in PHIRC (this IRC client) is allowed to include regular expressions if it starts with a forward slash. < 1396917398 654899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZoon < 1396918555 954388 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.qdb.us/305734 that kinda reminds me of zzo < 1396918581 644610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1396918620 860463 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1396919189 444284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Indirect14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39242 5* 03Quojil 5* (+2214) 10Initial documentation < 1396919329 74671 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: restart < 1396919389 974366 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1396919484 234868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Indirect14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39243&oldid=39242 5* 03Quojil 5* (+267) 10Specifications & another edit to only example... for now. < 1396919513 515956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dogescript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39244&oldid=38025 5* 03216.38.135.42 5* (+73) 10/* External Resources */ < 1396919526 984072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Indirect14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39245&oldid=39243 5* 03Quojil 5* (+0) 10/* How is it different */ < 1396919680 855726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Indirect14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39246&oldid=39245 5* 03Quojil 5* (+16) 10Modified example again and fixed typo. < 1396919758 684362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39247&oldid=39235 5* 03Quojil 5* (+15) 10/* I */ < 1396920227 155866 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Onion's Kelly is losing his grip < 1396920236 964056 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The villain of the cartoon isn't covered in flies < 1396920335 984257 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run let reify = flip id; reflect = id in reify 6 (\p -> reflect p + reflect p) < 1396920336 973388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12 < 1396920388 884381 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so tired of that example, it doesn't clarify anything < 1396920414 593884 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what I want is an example of, e.g., passing around a username+password known only at runtime < 1396920430 417066 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/66715 < 1396920450 65074 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1396920452 264577 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts reading < 1396920571 555450 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my kitteh is so flufffie < 1396920586 273953 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so you can create the proxy out of thin air... I guess ScopedTypeVariables is needed to do that? < 1396920649 766916 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. you can do it in other ways too. < 1396920672 718833 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if only this were someplace more obvious than some random paste that you get linked to if you ask the right question... < 1396920676 454170 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ScopedTypeVariables is never or at least only very rarely necessary, afaik. < 1396920685 464164 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflection ships with more examples. < 1396920810 285220 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phantom type parameter in Report and Datum are strictly necessary, or not? < 1396920864 102456 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would not want to eliminate them. they provide type safety. < 1396920882 983614 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mix multiple configurations in one program and they are tagged with the type. it is just like putting the configuration itself into the type. < 1396920905 803687 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you eliminate the type parameter, then you just have to add Proxy arguments, but e.g. that Num instance would not be possible. < 1396920968 433615 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can e.g., have (Int `Mod` n) where you can think of the n "phantom" type as actually just a natural < 1396920982 349950 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can make instances so that you can use a TypeLit natural as an "n" there, as well as supporting runtime decision of n) < 1396921016 354220 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, all of this is in the paper, if you read it < 1396921044 837318 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the paper has an example of using it for modulus arithmetic... < 1396921065 543712 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 6 example is pretty lol < 1396921074 933603 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it should help clarify. < 1396921081 665801 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good paper < 1396921143 110882 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like seeing a lot of examples. I think yours was the most helpful so far, but... I still wish it was someplace more accessible < 1396921247 799199 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby release it under the CC0 1.0 Universal terms, available at https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode. < 1396921257 904508 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to submit a patch to add it; I'd prefer no credit in the source. < 1396921291 225886 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1396921357 713492 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(better quote those two lines in the pull request so there's no legal lawyering.) < 1396921468 759777 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I should GPL it just to be a pain. (too late now.) < 1396921616 822977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I call the file? I have a feeling you may not like the name ReaderLike.hs < 1396921666 393904 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh it's in public domain fuck elliott_ < 1396921683 415571 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElliottSucksLol.hs < 1396921686 436187 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much, do what you like with it :p < 1396921717 875373 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want credit because I just wrote it ad-hoc and nobody should feel like I have creative rights over it. < 1396921721 101075 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to improve it. < 1396921745 243587 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to copy/paste your lines, they got eaten < 1396921828 323361 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is the "available at https://creativecommons.org/..." legally required < 1396921877 809685 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you people understand the public domain very well < 1396921960 701505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could take the code and tattoo it on my ass and sell photos of the ass and musical compositions based on the ass to Disney and elliott_ couldn't do shit. < 1396921990 945159 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I don't think there's any clear standard. I think what I said is unambiguous enough for any court. < 1396922013 882574 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: eaten...? well, just say you got permission from me to use it under CC0. < 1396922026 993888 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Unless some country says that elliott_ isn't allowed to give permission away like that < 1396922034 603935 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's why CC0 exists < 1396922040 976801 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad. taht's an ass state < 1396922045 875755 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 still probably doesn't work everywhere. < 1396922048 783323 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPL probably doesn't. < 1396922119 133646 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC0 probably works in more jurisdictions than GPL. < 1396922196 354385 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it certainly works in more jurisdictions than a generic public domain grant. :) < 1396922244 803368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only use the wtfpl personally < 1396922267 743200 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WTFPL probably doesn't work in a decent handful of jurisdictions, though it definitely does under common law. < 1396922288 944300 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the beauty of it: fuck those jurisdictionsssss < 1396922289 224838 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can the wtfpl fail to work < 1396922321 413314 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: e.g. some countries don't let you just give away your rights without something in return like that < 1396922344 257477 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my attitudes towards law is like a billion times more lackadaisical than most programmers and i love it < 1396922396 287672 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sampling of github suggests it's actually much less lackadaisical than most programmers. < 1396922408 544360 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typical repo on github is unlicensed. :) < 1396922430 617659 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WTFPL might not work in all jurisdictions, but it definitely is a legal copyright license. < 1396922553 104682 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In May 2005, Daniel Wallace filed suit against the Free Software Foundation in the Southern District of Indiana, contending that the GPL is an illegal attempt to fix prices (at zero)." nice < 1396922579 805433 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Defendants argued that since it is impossible to maintain trade secrets while being compliant with GPL and distributing the work, they are not in breach of trade secrets" this is some good stuff < 1396923016 469476 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396924591 338712 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396925414 322731 :aloril!~aloril@84.248.11.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396926113 802190 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I'm starting to think you're right about trusting random Haskell over OpenSSL (not really... if it gets as many eyes looking at it as OpenSSL, then definitely... but the OpenSSL bug is really just anecdotal evidence, I think?) < 1396926176 712429 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when have programmers ever used non-anecdotal evidence? < 1396926246 531856 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a programmer use non-anecdotal evidence just the other day < 1396927548 384314 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396928193 306144 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396928394 171668 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: note that you can't conversely take Disney's stuff, because CTEA and 93/98/EEC < 1396928441 580035 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ass will hae to wait < 1396928462 2524 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396928589 182641 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396928646 174110 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396929326 863086 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1396929695 942175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396929697 967855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.74coin epitcoin hoycoin altiverowcoin rainfrecoin pathcoin alighcoin relcoin undanicasmicoin halfhacoin calcoin etercoin rencoin returncoin minocoin crading-booker)coin vollicoin gartrethintynskinguissioncoin sublecoin nnrcoin < 1396929837 61511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :numberwangcoin < 1396930012 51360 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :-+ < 1396930132 427915 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember eating fish once, I don't remember what kind of fish < 1396930139 359275 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flounder? Is that a fish people eat < 1396930140 31919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1396930225 801398 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/RUST_HULK/status/453294938763976704 of course < 1396930361 77813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has null-routed twitter locally < 1396930492 953423 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396930493 144016 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396930601 901273 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOH https://github.com/chrisdone/foreign-store < 1396930634 931896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, looks less smooth than in, say, CL or Smalltalk < 1396930642 571531 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, better than DrRacket < 1396930804 911682 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the < 1396930808 172944 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid < 1396930853 921271 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/chrisdone/ghci-reload-demo < 1396930992 792175 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I shouldn’t have to tell anyone this but just in case: don’t use this in production." < 1396930993 818699 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1396931085 502414 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a live image as production seems bad anyway... < 1396931132 501494 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do Erlangers do? < 1396931147 281800 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396931183 64593 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396931185 141079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh yeah, use me in production" < 1396931201 211374 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not ready to enter this porn dimension. < 1396931454 487596 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396931622 271366 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia doesn't have Heartbleed yet < 1396931645 741401 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openssl#Heartbleed_bug ? < 1396931700 462262 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's what I get for assuming that Wikipedia search works < 1396931717 321133 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"known to attackers since March 2012." < 1396931718 227007 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1396931719 942353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ learnin' a lesson ♫ < 1396931732 961647 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :learnin on a wish < 1396931799 955244 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396931832 348873 :aloril!~aloril@84.248.11.12 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1396931887 221932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION restarts irssi and his EC2 instance < 1396931889 843642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 21:38:09 up 186 days, 3:48, 6 users, load average: 0.57, 0.22, 0.12 < 1396931891 531132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1396931896 122544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396931954 455957 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end of an era < 1396932022 981312 :tomsmeding!538090a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.144.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396932078 565072 :tomsmeding!538090a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.144.167 PART :#esoteric < 1396932084 322923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396932116 941281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1396932118 293305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebdcoin continucoin reding-boocoin clunkcoin illghcoin codifycoin singcoin rcelumcoin spoohcoin emmertcoin yourcoin q-refcoin temcoin etaincoin proofcoin haowcoin recuncoin nonicoin murprincoin apocoin < 1396932158 181001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep boop < 1396932169 696846 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396932230 205910 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1396932450 28793 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1396932701 902518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MarioLANG14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39248&oldid=39239 5* 03T.J.S.1 5* (+440) 10Interpreter < 1396932778 152423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.antichipotle.com/git/ < 1396932802 532203 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.antichipotle.com. < 1396932875 521631 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396933024 524677 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't using a vulnerable ssh. phew. < 1396933038 43231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a ssh vuln too? < 1396933106 247533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. i think i misread that :P < 1396933145 984778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have said < 1396933150 602786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not using a vulnerable SSL < 1396933158 235947 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never made it to version 1.0.1 < 1396933164 992879 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if my password is my birthday < 1396933392 832010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't care if it is or not. (Hopefully your date of birth doesn't change; I don't expect such things ever to change!!) < 1396933767 593560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish my birthday got one year later every year < 1396933798 252410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if the calendar changes? < 1396934048 234794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Then, you can write it in the new notation/calendar-based-system. < 1396934097 462329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already there is different kind of calendar, but Gregorian calendar is a common kind (and so is UNIX). < 1396934119 811738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can figure out using, Discordian calendar instead, if you prefer to do so. < 1396934120 202992 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396934301 534162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: esolangs.org had Debian wheezy installed, but the line for security updates was for squeeze (oldstable)... < 1396934316 452125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sources.list line, that is.) < 1396934808 32658 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396935378 327471 :password2!~password@197.78.128.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396936780 937528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Kolmogorov machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39249&oldid=24661 5* 0399.118.9.187 5* (+24) 10/* See Also */ < 1396936921 873384 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Andrei Machine is the best < 1396936980 645492 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of curiosity, does anyone know how the heartbleed thing works? < 1396936983 860405 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site is not super clear < 1396937174 174381 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396937796 333833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Kolmogorov machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39250&oldid=39249 5* 0399.118.9.187 5* (+146) 10Я не говорю по-русски < 1396938535 914934 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Responsible disclosure (n.): coming up with a cool logo, homepage and name for your terrifying bug before panicking the Internet with it" < 1396938754 479281 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396939525 434483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the company behind that thing (Codenomicon) is originally Finnish. < 1396939554 353201 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396939770 219291 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1396940474 125149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, kind of funny: StartSSL provides certificates for free, but asks a $24.90 "handling fee" for revocation. < 1396940664 106547 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396940723 44796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not a classy industry, is it?" "It ranks slightly behind three-card monty but two spots ahead of straight daytime flashing" < 1396940782 655185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande sometimes claims to be an X.509 certificate authority but he won't give me a cert < 1396940863 112613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for this DANE thing to get popularly supported (it's not like a free StartSSL certificate "validates" anything else than a domain name either), but it doesn't seem like it. < 1396941145 482622 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i suspect honest lexande may be too honest to be an X.509 certificate authority < 1396941470 869196 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396945520 156704 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396945812 177421 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396945812 368165 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1396946690 447495 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1396947511 673010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1396947682 207686 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396947833 186762 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1396948580 117160 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1396948616 868457 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396948718 243746 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396948988 335234 :password2!~password@197.78.128.102 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396949059 887958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"error: command failed: non-zero return code: -11" < 1396949065 57132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good to have verbose diagnostics. < 1396949107 309534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone turned that command down to eleven < 1396949370 163961 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396949415 166714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a segfault, actually. Didn't recognize. < 1396949434 278745 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396949898 357253 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396949940 607809 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949942 76252 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949942 745676 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949943 596513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949943 787002 :john_metcalf!~john_metc@31.185.135.87 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949947 186200 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949949 308212 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949949 499025 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949949 740246 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949951 589402 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396949951 779849 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:TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950041 271585 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950042 605443 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950053 397459 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950074 12757 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950080 281371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950084 307097 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950087 207729 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950093 353864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950094 716933 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950134 536379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950135 681238 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950136 856589 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950138 927641 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950142 568326 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950146 157155 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950148 184561 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396950157 356289 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950158 504648 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950158 695249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :netsplits for all! < 1396950168 560076 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950175 659517 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950175 850318 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1396950175 850472 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950177 210291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION perhaps should read about that SSL vulnerabiliy < 1396950179 309590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t < 1396950237 333119 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950248 464492 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950257 664077 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950319 433839 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950368 46431 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950378 948828 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950385 338721 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950452 797980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950456 762614 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950459 479890 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396950558 22739 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950590 42664 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950665 589146 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950729 709791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950865 430387 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396950889 467171 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest49575 < 1396951413 433417 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396951413 920251 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396951424 926227 :scoff!scoff@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-gkpvojbrwxquflrw QUIT :*.net *.split < 1396951436 251086 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1396951449 628495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396951518 449083 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1396951600 257605 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396951637 537025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MarioLANG14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39251&oldid=39248 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+103) 10/* Interpreter */ Of course < 1396951643 457056 :scoff!scoff@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-ershkluqatmokfye JOIN :#esoteric < 1396951751 416864 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1396951936 639733 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo++ < 1396951938 938476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Kolmogorov machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39252&oldid=39250 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+23) 10bullets, and spell Russian title with Russian letters < 1396951940 347927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the wiki edits < 1396952018 99706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1396952092 626733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow: DMM's new comic < 1396952092 817329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, I like that HackEgo posts them < 1396952101 155524 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh god I forgot about that < 1396952118 248993 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396952143 776538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has revealed a hint that the name is a tv trope < 1396952202 285561 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've stopped following the IWC rerun :( < 1396952223 326827 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might try to get back into it < 1396952225 766349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this was in the forum. < 1396952238 226690 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been there for aaaageees < 1396952268 384501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also said "This will narrow things down quite a bit:" i smell irony < 1396952284 136859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds more like sarcasm < 1396952301 267608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1396952312 996370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is vague on those fine distinctions < 1396952328 664029 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assume that nothing is irony < 1396952337 483697 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what dramatic irony and metallurgic irony are < 1396952392 610201 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1396952393 497005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i googled that and the most promising hit was tvtropes < 1396952407 235702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(metallurgic) < 1396952408 313682 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metallurgic irony is "sort of like iron" < 1396952642 546208 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396952805 175148 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT 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:#esoteric < 1396953616 988376 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396953636 546672 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396953639 550210 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396953817 69058 :ggherdov_!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgusmrgpmawbpozh JOIN :#esoteric < 1396955325 174586 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DEGOVERNMENTED CHICKEN < 1396955755 964436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"checking for gcc... icc" "checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes" hmm. < 1396956309 274965 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396957379 367186 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1396957629 284052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1396957661 562669 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1396958084 736245 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396958367 552833 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1396958412 452543 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1396958871 608449 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396959121 86737 :password2!~password@197.78.153.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396959223 984695 :Guest49575!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1396959229 494967 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396959249 55896 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1396959257 723204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1396959323 344132 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1396959356 40518 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396959360 320162 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396959512 830615 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396959535 953420 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396959620 653322 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1396959712 568724 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1396959780 24184 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1396959794 475604 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1396960267 934591 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1396961395 248236 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1396962853 878240 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396963817 796045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1396965585 359085 :password2!~password@197.78.153.242 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396965998 809233 :password2!~password@197.78.153.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396966191 5140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39253&oldid=37549 5* 03T.J.S.1 5* (+303) 10Add interpreter by T.J.S.1 < 1396966338 294139 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:T.J.S.114]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39254&oldid=36857 5* 03T.J.S.1 5* (+165) 10Updates < 1396966558 643528 :password2_!~password@197.78.140.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396966599 922343 :password2!~password@197.78.153.242 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396966771 801697 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: bai < 1396966955 218631 :password2_!~password@197.78.140.186 NICK :password2 < 1396967100 846962 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396967390 599081 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396967506 77899 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396967546 643601 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396967565 129381 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396967857 877298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'!\xAA1\xB2xM|;b\xD1\x15\xA3\x0C\x18:\xB0I\xA7\x1F\xB6\xCE\xD4~\x161\xAD\xF4\xB8k$\x0C\xCA\xE8\xE8b\x97\xE3\xE3\x95Yly\x05\xD3\x9F\x1E\xAC\xEC\xBA\x9E\x86=\xBD\x13\xDF\xBCd\x8C\xEEdo\x93\x8F\xB9\x97\xCD_\xE6\xAA\xD3}Z\xAB\x17\xC5\xFB+\xE8i\x1A\xB1~\xC1\xA7\xD6|$\x7F\x92\x19\xBF\x94\xF6\xD7\xE6\x0E\xA4E\xF3\xCD\x97q'\''C\x07k\xBD1T&\xCA\x84#\x8B,x\x86\xCE\xF6\x19\xE6\xB6\xAC' | dis86 < 1396967858 721266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1396967869 865310 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dis86 $'!\xAA1\xB2xM|;b\xD1\x15\xA3\x0C\x18:\xB0I\xA7\x1F\xB6\xCE\xD4~\x161\xAD\xF4\xB8k$\x0C\xCA\xE8\xE8b\x97\xE3\xE3\x95Yly\x05\xD3\x9F\x1E\xAC\xEC\xBA\x9E\x86=\xBD\x13\xDF\xBCd\x8C\xEEdo\x93\x8F\xB9\x97\xCD_\xE6\xAA\xD3}Z\xAB\x17\xC5\xFB+\xE8i\x1A\xB1~\xC1\xA7\xD6|$\x7F\x92\x19\xBF\x94\xF6\xD7\xE6\x0E\xA4E\xF3\xCD\x97q'\''C\x07k\xBD1T&\xCA\x84#\x8B,x\x86\xCE\xF6\x19\xE6\xB6\xAC' < 1396967870 684751 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1396967896 625559 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dis86 $'\x90\x90' < 1396967897 452705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1396967903 598234 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1396967909 302312 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dis86 9090 < 1396967910 193371 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop; nop; < 1396968115 763556 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dis86 aa21b2314d783b7cd162a315180cb03aa749b61fd4ce167ead31b8f4246bca0ce8e89762e3e35995 < 1396968116 378271 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stosb; and [rdx+0x3b784d31], esi; jl 0xffffffda; invalid; mov [0xb649a73ab00c1815], eax; invalid; invalid; invalid; invalid; jle 0xffffffc6; xor [rax-0x3594db0c], edi; or al, 0xe8; call 0xffffffffe3e362bd; pop rcx; xchg ebp, eax; < 1396968175 526212 :password2!~password@197.78.140.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1396968310 651115 JOIN :#esoteric > 1396968314 799926 JOIN :#esoteric > 1396968315 315630 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968316 9132 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968316 11828 :verne.freenode.net NOTICE #esoteric :[freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp < 1396968322 521451 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968323 167705 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968329 666221 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968347 57514 :ejls!~ejls@ejls.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968358 612915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968413 89728 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1396968534 816376 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968562 504037 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968623 365951 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968640 221636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Indirect14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39255&oldid=39246 5* 0376.94.2.75 5* (+383) 10/* "operations" */ < 1396968692 369078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Indirect14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39256&oldid=39255 5* 0376.94.2.75 5* (+104) 10/* "operations" */ < 1396968733 99168 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968798 260242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968914 448635 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968941 365814 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1396968942 458887 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1396969109 682246 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1396969157 714243 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396969236 361712 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396969554 785883 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ungwbfftvbvapwym JOIN :#esoteric < 1396972000 322175 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396972438 713762 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396972450 303020 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1396972460 60269 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1396972763 296785 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1396972931 667338 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:230:48ff:fed6:b9ce JOIN :#esoteric < 1396973168 364167 :password2!~password@197.78.140.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1396974679 338670 :password2!~password@197.78.140.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1396995902 36063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_or_Bust < 1396995991 224600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seems somewhat stalled < 1396996101 526103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's of course the possibility the conjecture is wrong and the last six will never budge < 1396996134 87385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no progress for seven years is a bit sad < 1396996143 355396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, fsvo "progress") < 1396996164 913864 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And their homepage < 1396996167 355341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... < 1396996181 137015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brown < 1396996191 573683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the digits column though, they've definitely not stopped searching < 1396996298 970093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they should get tao on the case to prove it's wrong < 1396996322 678555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tao is silent < 1396996481 134287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1396996483 958413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, his blog seems to have never mentioned it < 1396996613 684937 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1396996781 642265 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1396996815 697349 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1396997177 157000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1396997210 227060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, this time the codu.org is in fact entirely down, or is it just me? < 1396997567 867062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1396997568 575878 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1396997597 595167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DFM < 1396997634 867894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://codu.org/ for that matter. < 1396997674 610205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant too < 1396997691 114701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't understand DFM at all. < 1396997705 191738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was some kind of a new HTH. < 1396997724 324484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was trying to see all the no doubt incredible happenings that had happened while I was gone there.) < 1396997726 274479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was a new WFM HTH < 1396997752 640035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : indeed, his blog seems to have never mentioned it < 1396997783 387033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you may have missed something before that too < 1396997807 949278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :" note the digits column though, they've definitely not stopped searching" is the last I saw. But it's not all that important. < 1396997884 464332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 2048 is officially passé, dagbladet.no is covering it. (and putting it behind their paywall part.) < 1396997884 646848 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfm means both "down for me" and "doesn't fucking matter"...different farflung meanings < 1396998124 681691 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396998853 176564 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1396998882 861951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there numbers stations on twitter < 1396998956 215240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/NumbersStations < 1396998977 775163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that was a rhetorical question < 1396999116 270533 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a076.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1396999282 372716 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1397082476 65141 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397082491 86467 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: hellexandello! you'll be quoted in no time. < 1397082504 908774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello lexande < 1397082505 868344 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexandello < 1397082536 540610 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochellof. < 1397082558 882241 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397082676 188787 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: ♪ding♪ your missing quote is ready! < 1397082694 553710 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quintellopiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! < 1397082706 650179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi > 1397082765 399014 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397082766 107861 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1397082769 515010 JOIN :#esoteric > 1397082770 29567 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397082818 407602 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how's life? is it spring already down South? > 1397082905 195760 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397082906 308377 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1397082909 317992 JOIN :#esoteric > 1397082909 833440 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397082993 726202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1397083032 433758 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thank you! i am still missing a description though < 1397083052 84149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever get lexande's approximate coördinates and body weigh < 1397083055 473910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the codu logs are empty pages :( < 1397083116 433735 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: I know. no one entered a Wisdom Entry about you yet. < 1397083126 844489 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do those come from? < 1397083128 595422 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not yet. let me ask them the The Question. < 1397083152 988481 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: eeeeeh... you know about the bees and flowers and storks, right? < 1397083173 695526 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: also, could you please answer the The Question? what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh? < 1397083213 679129 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i answered it on 2013-10-08 < 1397083247 609703 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:11 < boily> lexande: what kind of people do you meet? are met people human? do you like roast beef? what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh? < 1397083256 498079 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:16 < lexande> boily: {iowa, tanzania, cambridge, caltech, boston, new york, CMU, random traveling} people; yes (to first approximation); ambivalent; (40.80, -73.94) and 90kg < 1397083271 987583 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:21 < lexande> err, 900N sorry < 1397083272 178246 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:21 * boily falls down from his chair “A first! Complete and useful information!” < 1397083286 414255 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah bin torieux. autant pour moi... < 1397083334 291724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1397083335 132240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. < 1397083450 44244 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1397083513 67775 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-ello. sorry, let me cuttlefishify the channel ipso facto. < 1397083531 304592 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397083536 294823 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1397083536 782209 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 092220Z AUTO VRB02KT 9999 BKN090 08/M00 Q1023 < 1397083783 515403 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails to think of a clever way of combining "thanks" and "boily" into a single word. thankoily? much boiblyged? < 1397083809 340782 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestions welcome. < 1397083852 408500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks boily < 1397083853 79894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, boily. Thoily. < 1397083865 543939 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1397083879 906891 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks shachaf < 1397083880 353526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, shachaf. Thachaf. < 1397083945 48757 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks kmc < 1397083945 751487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, kmc. Tmc. < 1397083955 551472 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1397083965 503364 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1397084101 902969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39273&oldid=39272 5* 03198.188.4.4 5* (+279) 10Borrowed decrement from Nock < 1397084286 770519 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“much boiblyged”. hi hi hi :D < 1397084332 386322 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1397084332 846223 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 092200Z 26014G22KT 30SM SKC 04/M10 A2984 RMK SLP106 < 1397084601 474835 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/Slidebite/status/453974294582665217 < 1397084731 600460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39274 5* 03198.188.4.4 5* (+369) 10Created page with "--~~~~ I'm probably going to write a Hoon implementation at some point. Though in that case I'll borrow the local convention of %literals (besides numbers, I suppose I could j..." < 1397085439 740911 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397085843 47772 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397086377 970824 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31.0-8/1941475_10203307420304421_4729873601312022517_o.jpg “This content cannot be displayed in a frame” < 1397086397 687176 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397086518 12298 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397086531 690508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1397086553 21994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the error produced by X-Frame-Options ? < 1397086584 231656 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: :D < 1397086621 82330 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397086740 946272 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397086804 633461 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397087234 355656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39275&oldid=39273 5* 03198.188.4.4 5* (+36) 10Amended to use fixpoint combinator instead of relying on scope < 1397087589 4410 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397087702 66185 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1397088133 938357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397088135 318028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeoldcoin immentheoncoin olerankcoin aarecoin glypecoin taxiccoin corumcoin abcdxcoin evisincoin cvlcoin singcoin bam1coin smatyracoin beitcoin mkmbccoin phabetcoin checoin vernatocoin boenamcoin viotecoin < 1397088205 494453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ singcoin ♫ < 1397088231 392070 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397089115 817951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zerk 5* 10New user account < 1397089367 539292 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://boingboing.net/2014/04/09/breather-is-like-an-airbnb-by.html ← that is an idea eagerly waiting for a disaster... < 1397089375 427418 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but hey, I can get some in Montréal!) < 1397089831 329510 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disaster? < 1397089866 531949 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1397089866 722808 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397090635 406756 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397090704 568083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1397090785 757393 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397090980 128186 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: people are random. everything can happen. like, everything. < 1397091294 396329 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/tavisrudd/status/454044086547136512/photo/1/large good news everyone, i have found the best programming psychology paper yet. < 1397091344 553258 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of funny that i saw this right after hunting down (!) a spreadsheet bug by following a chain of dependencies < 1397091708 745262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397091709 997598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ensiscoin lazycoin vasscoin mizatifcoin intecoin poincoin lockzufcoin lyacoin clubcoin bracoin martrecoin l3250coin procoin skycoin mumontecoin dd/ddcoin eta-julietzstreactcoin charmancoin binarycoin huntedcoin < 1397091734 12738 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives a poincoin to Bike < 1397091744 66936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poutinecoin < 1397091765 135388 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazycoin leaves the mining to the entity exchanging something else for lazycoin. < 1397091770 991205 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(relatedly, fuck excel) < 1397091792 503142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuxcel < 1397091816 423871 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excel is a fine demo platform. http://youtu.be/4xKllypfn20 < 1397091833 765133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nayuki.eigenstate.org/page/aes-cipher-internals-in-excel < 1397091834 475989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm poutinecoin < 1397091863 515511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily! < 1397091873 63459 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think, if i somehow got leeway to teach a class to actual human beings, it would be about how to simplify your science homework by programming things < 1397091874 655095 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't sendn me a birthday present! < 1397091876 538983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1397091877 319229 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's your reaction ordres bla bla < 1397091932 263052 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god, is this double buffering via sheets? < 1397091971 299413 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397092026 542633 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397092067 381097 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems a bit embarassing that "tangent line" is a concept that needs to be worked through in college < 1397092075 393296 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia! < 1397092126 573868 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a nice galvaude Monday night. (I know I shouldn't, cause I always have weird dreams afterwads and it wreaks my digestion, but it tastes so good...) < 1397092133 598980 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ds/rds/ < 1397092139 726701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no galvaudes < 1397092145 820422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have sent me one < 1397092149 894965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird dreams eh? < 1397092158 97359 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397092245 120416 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: poutine-induced dreams are interesting, to say the least. when you upgrade to a galvaude, anything goes. < 1397092263 748268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to try that sometime < 1397092280 772051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely remember interesting dreams despite sleeping under the influence of all manner of psychoactive compounds < 1397092289 514366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but poutine might beat them all < 1397092300 621077 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3>implying poutine isn't psychoactive < 1397092300 811659 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had poutine? < 1397092322 870762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397092327 100552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was american poutine < 1397092334 109066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please. don't make me want to take off +c < 1397092338 591404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it doesn't have the je ne sais quoi < 1397092342 803687 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: +c? < 1397092349 139818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, put it on rather < 1397092359 893867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a lot of my friends are headed to your fair city, boily < 1397092366 931479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Pie Khan < 1397092374 457924 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck pie khan < 1397092374 843333 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1397092380 107922 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles the cuttle < 1397092402 81549 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's a pie khan? < 1397092412 539043 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, for you next poutine, add duck meat and green peas.) < 1397092424 843313 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only frozen peas. canned peas are no good.) < 1397092428 375507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka PyCon < 1397092439 816761 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that thing my friend from Québec City is coming over too. < 1397092469 186629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds fun and friendly < 1397092470 549560 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: here's where i greentext you a bunch in a futile effort to jok'e < 1397092474 390602 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not going to do this obviously) < 1397092485 539396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of man came to atlanta for pycon a couple years back, and decided to come when i was out of the country :( < 1397092486 703590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll go someday, even though I don't give much of a shit about python < 1397092493 589766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of man < 1397092494 850075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :man? i meant mine < 1397092497 575128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a title to which I aspire < 1397092505 25659 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie khan is in QC? < 1397092522 891308 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: go to a con in atl < 1397092531 491398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to be here < 1397092534 438212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, montréal < 1397092536 532242 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Belle later confirmed the existence of the Z(4430) with a significance of 5.2 sigma on the scale that particle physicists use to describe the certainty of a result.” < 1397092539 292955 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“sigmificance” FTFY < 1397092543 489069 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's still in QC < 1397092544 983365 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1397092548 748872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397092555 891082 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you Ontarian :P < 1397092556 413434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that meant Quebec City < 1397092560 699311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly I have made an ass out of u and me < 1397092605 546646 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: :P < 1397092637 820666 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: one important French thing people learn here is the difference between «au Québec» and «à Québec». < 1397092638 725078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i learned that a friend's advisor thought results were significant because they had non-overlapping SE bars. stats sure is hard. < 1397092646 971652 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1397092655 303274 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1397092679 235120 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%284430%29 that's a lot of sigmificance < 1397092713 516054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what is it < 1397092728 210494 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the former refers to the province, the latter to the city. < 1397092812 179580 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DREAMING CHICKEN < 1397092817 58703 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397092869 951668 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay physics is impossible < 1397092886 350647 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397092936 182227 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397092938 270219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397092938 921844 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397092939 477521 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397092974 84289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1397092989 745765 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1397093143 9251 :jhj1!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1397093299 993331 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All shamen are at your disposal" < 1397093382 100431 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are shamen? < 1397093558 517424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plural of shaman I assume. Or the lyrics sites I looked at are wrong < 1397093579 626175 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :false friends >:| < 1397093632 337883 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same song talks about stimulating your third eye < 1397093671 945574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound sexual at all < 1397093673 199184 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eat a single raman noodle < 1397093745 174622 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :men should be an alias to man -a < 1397093750 87357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in college we had fake majors listed on our dorm doors and douglass_ at one point had "Ramen Spectroscopy" < 1397093789 912591 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1397093795 126738 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was yours? < 1397093821 350051 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary lists shamen as a hypercorrect plural of shaman. And apparently hypercorrect is a subset of incorrect < 1397093831 633348 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1397093840 347199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1397093842 637144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something less funny < 1397093848 765930 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shaman" is from some language near siberia or mongolia < 1397093856 180739 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to do with german plurals < 1397093870 739856 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they never gave me my "hobotopy theory" one < 1397093884 971785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B| < 1397093894 890503 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toby the hobo < 1397093907 122131 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3WFrQzYJOY < 1397093935 278933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason I care about this song is because I think it's a song I heard briefly on PulsRadio in 2006, but streamripper never manaaged to capture it < 1397094010 519296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really explain anything < 1397094157 315792 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397094205 739456 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Would it help if you combine that explanation with an OCD? < 1397094260 273820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little < 1397094378 544306 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have OCD. Although I do sometimes worry what if I didn't lock the door. And when I was a kid, I once recorded each die roll in a game of Monopoly because I wanted it to be reproducible (not in those worse). Randomness freaked me out < 1397094423 916112 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before then, played Monopoly on the computer with friends, but when most of my friends left, another friend and I played out the game a bit more and caused someone who wasn't there to go bankrupt < 1397094665 963581 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397094709 100914 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397094737 552649 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397094742 921814 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.microsoft.com/kb/180162 aaaaaaaaaaah < 1397094768 23356 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397094786 319253 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397094927 972896 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397094950 354483 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397094967 314332 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat :-D < 1397095001 655448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1904 date system is a plot by the pope < 1397095956 921566 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397096034 581198 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397097222 936342 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397098805 476148 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963 < 1397098821 748014 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397098826 193856 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had this not occurred, I assume heartbleed would instead be an easy DoS attack? < 1397098840 937979 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, probably just on OpenBSD? < 1397098922 724382 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397098926 948975 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397098951 171468 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also would've been easily noticed. < 1397099202 155808 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"malloc guarding (world is not ready for this)" < 1397099202 618575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1397100763 248664 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let me reiterate - everybody who was ever taught anything about that green padlock - grandmothers, bosses, school kids, web devs, everyone - now thinks that it means something it doesn’t, and won’t mean what they think again until all those server-babies are replaced." < 1397100785 483365 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any chance of browser vendors agreeing to not show the security lock for sites affected by Heartbleed? < 1397100798 978324 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, how to detect site that was vulnerable, repaired bug, didn't yet get new certificates < 1397100815 591606 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would require shipping an exploit for heartbleed < 1397100817 335413 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, zero < 1397100824 56561 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would also require giving a shit < 1397100827 157104 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tree planted upside-down < 1397100864 376239 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bosses and web devs are a lost cause anyway < 1397100974 273024 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a web dev < 1397100992 385115 :doesthiswork!80df9206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397101111 215672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do you know where your cause is? < 1397101345 575017 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994033 < 1397101768 983061 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1397101825 803711 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39276&oldid=39275 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (-9) 10I couldn't get the Y combinator to terminate so I'm using a different way to get a fixed point < 1397101931 809196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39277&oldid=39276 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+1) 10left off a bracket < 1397102144 784929 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397102180 770899 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397102710 107160 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seriously tempted to start using LastPass < 1397103034 159168 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397103060 810897 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397104444 526400 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust myself to make backups < 1397104878 44913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39278&oldid=39277 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+3) 10added missing :- < 1397105667 91223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm mostly tempted to write my own custom deterministic password generator < 1397105750 297318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :base64(HMAC-SHA256(master key, website domain name))[:16] < 1397105760 824335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should do nicely < 1397105766 707462 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias pw='echo -n "> " && stty -echo && (read pw && echo -n "$pw" | sha256sum | head -c 20 && echo; stty echo)' < 1397105773 492419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't want to have to depend on a master key < 1397105795 604570 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to depend on, then < 1397105796 180356 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use hashapass < 1397105805 551117 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found I couldn't remember the names I gave each site < 1397105827 944743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only there were some hierarchical name structure associated with websites < 1397105832 62610 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you use the name the site gives itself < 1397105836 847841 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: gestures which are different for each domain < 1397105840 102592 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most sites have that < 1397105875 552048 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you going to come up with the gestures < 1397105880 365437 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have no list of every website that I have made a password for < 1397105891 920701 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has been problematic before and it's problematic now < 1397105910 995708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gesture for every site would be a big ol' middle finger < 1397105915 990182 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: generate a custom image automatically and deterministically, and use my innate sense of location and visual memory to recall the gesture associated with it < 1397105951 735811 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sense of location is pretty exnate, but ok < 1397105994 34819 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, passgestures, is this one of those "phone"isms < 1397106065 419131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised nobody has asked for TLS to happen for esolangs.org. < 1397106066 885164 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speak friend and slide to unlock < 1397106108 889614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's unusual. most animal memories are location-based < 1397106110 970009 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LastPass not work well for nonwebsite passwords? < 1397106121 639155 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i recognize this place. the last time i was here i ...." < 1397106397 560190 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stty intr ^M < 1397106406 588869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397106451 689716 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo stty intr ^M >> ~/.bashrc < 1397106466 129600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1397106472 641673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you fix that < 1397106487 351417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ^J < 1397106504 714622 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp < 1397106552 923186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to need to do the pick-a-distribution thing again soon < 1397106556 56729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go with nixos < 1397106563 116285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the answer is no < 1397106591 948639 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I can bypass ^J with C-^J. < 1397106592 802144 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with nixos? < 1397106598 172324 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stty intr ^m erase ^j < 1397106648 562376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :running «stty intr ^C < /dev/pts/1» in another terminal is enough to let me run one command, but then it resets < 1397106658 445788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bash is saving and restoring the termios stuff < 1397106686 675178 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps its applying it to the wrong pty? < 1397106690 164745 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try stty -F ? < 1397106709 558950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why would it be enough for one command? < 1397106721 76619 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. < 1397106724 131101 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno.. i dont understand computers < 1397106727 417038 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use Bedrock Linux, and run a banking website from it < 1397106791 976498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i run enough websites for a lifetime < 1397106932 59894 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while they run you < 1397106945 694196 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :stty kill '^J' < 1397107187 929842 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -s /dev/zero ~/.bashrc < 1397107252 565050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'echo "sleep 0.1" >> ~/.bashrc' >> ~/.bashrc < 1397107274 853441 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who came up with that originally < 1397107329 867067 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's good. < 1397107330 179470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been around for at least 20 years < 1397107343 832262 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each time you log in it gets slower? < 1397107368 77886 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like winxp? < 1397107384 269483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1397107387 344697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft gotta get paid < 1397107423 208150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa < 1397107445 563660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dorje.com/netstuff/folklore/the.tricks < 1397107447 255809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ketil malde < 1397107482 800421 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moores compensation < 1397107626 93348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 years ago was an odd time < 1397107628 806342 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397107630 373855 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once wrote a program which would recurse into all subdirs and in each subdir it would list files that werent dirs and randomly rename them to each other < 1397107641 771623 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you still had all the same files but with different filenames < 1397107649 422004 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, dirs were renamed too, oops) < 1397107686 821548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did everyone have signatures on their messages back then < 1397107749 667505 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a different time < 1397107759 647289 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a time of .plans and .signatures < 1397107824 180870 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397107923 676802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, newsham was there < 1397107938 969379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sources.wanted/3o-Ej2pyvQ8/eSwcgvJWDT4J < 1397107991 155102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1397108004 39692 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit disturbing that most of those tricks are still applicable. < 1397108064 212547 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet: but who uses multi-user systems these days? < 1397108111 587392 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, schachaf, thats a really old post < 1397108149 234942 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a dumb question < 1397108202 596419 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wondr if that was my first usenet post evar < 1397108245 575335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.minix/pHRCC5JKCV8/4irAi_sYsZwJ was earlier < 1397108248 576362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(please respond in mail so as not to waste bandwidth)" < 1397108254 846940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different time, indeed < 1397108262 877382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :snail mail? < 1397108263 931428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll stop looking for old newshamposts now < 1397108300 82675 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a year later, shachaf < 1397108304 332254 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, it's newsgroups, not a mailing list < 1397108334 297130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, 91 /= 90 < 1397108376 80910 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i got my unix account in fall 1989. i didnt find usenet right away < 1397108385 882156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.fractals/xLXAGFDRcwY/L4FJBhoEi3QJ < 1397108414 204417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these things are from before i was born < 1397108433 285367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the same to me < 1397108492 736405 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kids < 1397108549 117139 :doesthiswork!80df9206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone reply by letter? < 1397108584 246175 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got hit by a letter. < 1397109189 663620 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397109280 643216 :doesthiswork!80df9206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397109473 760279 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A co-worker has his plan file end with < 1397109474 32451 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2] - Done /bin/rm -rf ~ & < 1397109474 222844 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tends to induce heart-attacks in the unwary... < 1397109478 377233 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" heh. mean < 1397109776 996294 :password2!~password@197.78.151.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397110671 985220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had something esolangy in my .plan at the university shell servers. < 1397110677 223334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a Befunge program. < 1397111411 61644 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397111713 60224 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397111780 430553 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397111923 310040 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397111991 405266 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397112600 919170 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397113028 373709 :atriq!5c1ea83e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.30.168.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397113059 653166 :atriq!5c1ea83e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.30.168.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should learn Forth < 1397113881 893535 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xrpbocygqbtcoqgy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397113920 183540 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: gets hit by an ice-cream truck < 1397114203 54233 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397114751 991524 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397114946 594793 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397117558 413014 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397117610 832036 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397117621 374646 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 NICK :myname < 1397117694 705634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there can be a payer paying a payee, and an employer employing an employee, and so on, why is the thing what a mentor does to a mentee called "mentoring" and not "menting"? < 1397117730 737028 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn mentee < 1397117733 538431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "mentee". < 1397117767 243692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OED: "mentee, n. Etymology: < ment- (in mentor n.) + -ee suffix1. orig. U.S. A person who has a mentor; the person guided or tutored by a mentor." < 1397117814 573492 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn ment < 1397117816 131633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "ment". < 1397117817 65921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the downstairs info screens was promoting some university mentoring program with a logo that said "mentor", "mentoring", "mentee" in it. < 1397117837 21720 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I suppose you could claim "ment". < 1397118909 802797 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397120838 354569 :atriq!5c1ea83e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.30.168.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397120982 385238 :password2!~password@197.78.151.246 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397121226 176714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397121889 595934 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397122010 481379 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397122268 17625 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397122341 315391 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397123086 780722 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397124051 939256 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397124158 497069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> mean(cleancep, 2).' < 1397124158 724915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans = < 1397124158 725073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Inf NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN < 1397124162 24512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best mean vector ever. < 1397124230 620682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so mean it just says NaN NaN NaN at you < 1397124425 828535 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaNaNaN < 1397124459 754219 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Inf < 1397124967 280179 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397125259 815907 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice < 1397125494 468352 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1397125494 696949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1397125780 915057 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397127241 613089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ribbit < 1397128000 371501 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Chasing Norwegian frogs... < 1397128755 990969 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF909DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397128756 217055 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF909DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397128756 217193 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397130256 192295 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397130851 828803 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397130871 178787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397131005 37832 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1397131021 995418 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397131513 194797 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397132464 105685 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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(Which got turned into -Inf by a log compression step, and NaNs by a DCT.) < 1397153682 519648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397153781 239100 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1397153832 612788 :MoALTz_!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397154284 100711 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Try applying some heat, they might get softer. < 1397154357 991888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I applied an arbitrary epsilon. It wasn't for anything serious. < 1397154392 248080 :password2!~password@197.78.173.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397154500 818543 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397154531 219858 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397155059 553844 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397155081 785876 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397155213 243459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Wiki dumps14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39282&oldid=30687 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+74) 10Time zones are the bane of all civilized folk. (+update numbers) < 1397156065 449027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ECMAScript standards committee is meeting just down the hall from me < 1397156073 910975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I should go in and troll them about adding dependent types or something < 1397156206 990465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone was thinking of doing some kind of Rust promotion lecture at the university. < 1397156217 819722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1397156226 206115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i integer promotion lecture < 1397156437 515391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been following the ECMAScript standardization effort at all, except that I remember I've been surprised several times to find out that those Mozilla additions (generators, array comprehensions, let expressions, expression closures) still aren't standard and/or widely supported. < 1397156461 559140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it all has something to do with this Harmony thing I've heard of. < 1397156516 510990 :DiNoALaCorrupcio!~DiNoALaCo@denuncia.anonima.empleosonora.gob.mx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397156933 138759 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1397156933 415868 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397156938 709375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric DiNoALaCorrupcio :no thanks < 1397156950 886267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see previous k-lining) < 1397157063 240288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@denuncia.anonima.empleosonora.gob.mx > 1397157063 263171 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397157065 118084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1397157065 138457 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397157697 379166 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I double dare you to troll the ecmascript standards commity < 1397157750 150741 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey peeps, how's ur assembly going" < 1397158153 322189 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should go in and troll them about the things mentioned in the wat talk. < 1397158174 960363 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397158273 326380 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397158305 873380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen that talk in a long time < 1397158314 882725 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397158318 362090 :scoff!scoff@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-ruoywrzjcbiefikz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397158403 331411 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk3uviICYAAvnWo.jpg:large < 1397158419 594257 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what the future will be like < 1397158423 810868 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very tiny floppy disks < 1397158453 694183 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you are aware of http://asmjs.org/ right? < 1397158487 784945 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't kmc work with it < 1397158518 559730 :scoff!scoff@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-teasepoidrcryrit JOIN :#esoteric < 1397158521 978245 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1397158593 966673 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: http://www.windowsphonefr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/micro-sd.jpg < 1397158631 272668 :TheMind!~android@host6-24-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1397158657 290099 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not floppy at all! < 1397158661 235843 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a disk! < 1397158697 650042 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397158737 548237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Next, find a photo that's analogous to that tiny tiny keyboard on the watch. < 1397158804 204869 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also find a tiny console-based computer < 1397158809 120920 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be a bit harder < 1397158828 947231 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the iPhone would sell as well if it was all command line < 1397158841 698522 :TheMind!~android@host6-24-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397158847 335389 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.buysku.com/wholesale/q8-dual-sim-quad-band-1-5-quot-touch-screen-watch-cell-phone-with-keyboard-camera-bluetooth-fm-mp3-mp4-white.html < 1397158861 56432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so I have a crazy idea about an esoteric virtual machine < 1397158928 373146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you have a cpu with very few registers, say only an instruction pointer, an accumulator, and an index/extra register. < 1397158932 808568 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man < 1397158944 705895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine it has a reasonable small instruction set, but there's one crippling feature. < 1397158947 159622 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a dude talking to SIRI in console commands < 1397158951 136226 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIRI, MAKEDIR < 1397159023 507338 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far this is 6502? < 1397159041 753306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think it's intentional, and the twist is yet to come. < 1397159050 324401 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1397159068 21058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feature is that interrupts are handled in a crazy way: when an interrupt arrives, the cpu overwrites each of the few registers is overwritten by interrupt-related information without saving it first. the ip is set to the interrupt handler address, the accumulator to the interrupt number, and the index register to some port input from the hardware. < 1397159087 255144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some limit for how quickly you can get interrupts or else you would have to lose some. < 1397159092 833058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't disable interrupts. < 1397159104 775419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: like 6502 but with wider word size < 1397159128 858085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to do all normal computations in an idempotent way because an interrupt can destroy your registers any time < 1397159153 873326 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the isa can't be 6502, then < 1397159176 513283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the interrupt, the os will resume your program at some last saved location, but since then your program might have done some steps < 1397159183 812978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't do destructive computations in place < 1397159190 147445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then they might run twice < 1397159211 153953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do non-in-place operations, then in the worst case you recompute the part since last time you saved the status to memory < 1397159285 799855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds likely that you'd end up with some translator from a non-crazy thing to the crazy thing, with some amount of overhead, and then you'd do all the work in the non-crazy thing. < 1397159309 730946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possible, if you don't mind the overhead < 1397159322 654636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the inner loops you might want to code for the crazy thing directly < 1397159444 612228 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397159453 57393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not a really good idea < 1397160097 466925 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16373.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1397160227 988466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use asm.js for anything at the moment < 1397160465 971923 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397160466 205617 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397160495 604736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's another Mozilla Research project < 1397160508 291063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody needs to get the .js TLD < 1397160632 780236 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397160692 452381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can write such translators for most esolangs, though < 1397160720 818967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was commenting from the viewpoint of some hypothetical poor soul hired to port a game on the hypothetical computer, or something. < 1397160730 604892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1397160760 612844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never designed a proper esolang < 1397160765 424241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should try my hand at an eso-ISA instead < 1397160797 861395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a lot of esolangs feel like machine code < 1397160822 892226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there real ISAs with Brainfuck-style structured control instructions? < 1397160844 263864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, you have "loop begin" and "loop end" instructions and the CPU will scan forward/backward in memory to find a matching one < 1397160913 241796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the .js TLD, I think you'd need to beat up someone at ICANN for it. < 1397160936 239853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I think they reserved all 2-character ASCII strings for "possible future ccTLD delegations". < 1397160936 630982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has the LOOP instruction but it still has an explicit jump target < 1397160971 350161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or I need to create an internationally breakaway state whose plausible abbreviation is '.js' < 1397160981 595307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :internationally recognized* < 1397161125 33177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ISTR the TMS320C54x (or some other member of TMS320) has a "repeat block" instruction, but you give the block size as an immediate argument to the instruction. < 1397161156 511838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397161183 883363 :password2!~password@197.78.173.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397161197 422893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then the instruction initializes the "repeat block" register to contain the size and the end address, sets the "repeat counter" register, and the hardware arranges for the repetition to happen.) < 1397161199 448930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm thinking about a weird mash-up of x86's rep and Thumb2's i[te]{1,4} instructions < 1397161232 847078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that TMS320C54x thing seems pretty close < 1397161236 432509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about DSP architectures < 1397161374 828259 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1397161446 870101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wonder if a "conditionalize any instruction" prefix was ever considered for x86 < 1397161448 126131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, if you want to be more exact about it, "RPTB pmad" sets RSA and REA (repeat start/end address) to PC+2 and pmad, respectively, and turns the BRAF (block-repeat active flag) on; you're supposed to have manually set the BRC (block-repeat counter) beforehand. < 1397161466 997963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAF is a great name for a register < 1397161486 558515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pmad is a great name for an operand < 1397161488 177406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it's just a name of a bit in ST1. < 1397161498 325269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you've programmed for the TMS320C54x? < 1397161498 638904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a lot of "pmad"s in the manual. < 1397161505 235219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there also "umad" < 1397161545 10953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just dmad, extpmad and pmad. < 1397161567 408654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've done a little bit for it; we had a three-architecture DSP course with randomly assigned architectures for the groupwork. < 1397161611 822778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1397161613 622197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you build? < 1397161669 48522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a TI TMS320C5416 devboard (what we had), a Motorola DSP56k thing of something or another, and a Sharc ADSP which was I think some sort of a musician DSP effect box with a twiddleable knob and all. < 1397161685 842910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We built an echo effect thingie. Just a second, I have a photo I've pasted on-channel before. < 1397161762 854358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a button to touch, a dial to turn, a key to hold < 1397161823 784578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our devboard just had four dip switches and four leds in terms of UI, so we had to figure out alternative controls. < 1397161832 535714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140410-spank.jpg < 1397161867 256788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We had to do a three-slide presentation at the end of the course, that was one of the slides.) < 1397161941 892061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's called "spank" because the name of the course was "SPÄNK", short for "signaaliprosessorit ja äänenkäsittely", "[digital] signal processors and sound processing". < 1397161996 235853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1397162019 351788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPÄNK sounds like something from IKEA's line of sex toys < 1397162111 321354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I recall correctly, the top-left thing was a Perl + Tk prototype for figuring out the algorithm and parameters, the middle picture shows the DSP devboard and the TI-86 driven slider control interface, and top-right is a photo of the oscilloscope we used when we spent two nights debugging the DSP/TI-86 link that turned out to be a broken cable I had salvaged from a discarded set of speakers ... < 1397162117 370543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that, when I finally came to think of it, were in fact discarded because no sound came out of them. < 1397162144 482403 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know of a no-horribly-expensive DSP platform for a hobbyist? Perhaps with an ADAT interface or some other way to add an AD/DA interface (possibly with preamps) with a number of channels. < 1397162272 703930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I couldn't quite manage to convince the (really quite flexible) C5416 "McBSP" serial port to give me the TI-86 stuff over DMA, so we had to resort to software polling.) < 1397162293 767488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: One of the boxes we had on the course was the http://www.chameleon.synth.net/english/index.shtml but I think that must be pretty outdated by now? < 1397162330 933525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only a few units remain, --" I guess they're not really selling it any more either. < 1397162332 61751 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, i’ll take a look. < 1397162334 808446 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1397162382 639302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed like quite a nice thing for that sort of thing. Though I don't know if it was ever what you'd call affordable. < 1397162462 438889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are reasonably cheap devkits similar to the C5416 one we had, but their I/O capabilities might be somewhat lacking, if you want multiple AD/DA channels. < 1397162514 595296 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 inputs would be nice. < 1397162646 963045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're things like http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdx5502ezdsp for $89, but at least that particular one just has two channels in/out when it comes to audio codecs. < 1397162655 722784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them have add-on modules you can stick on, though. < 1397162891 388292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-86 :) < 1397162904 710819 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397163003 249679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend wrote the Z80 code for the TI-86 side. < 1397163025 153192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wrote the DSP side of the communications stuff.) < 1397163131 623069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm a bit surprised if there isn't a Kickstarter for something like that Soundart Chameleon around. < 1397163341 349994 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thanks for the pointer, i’ll research them add-on modules. < 1397163369 696527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a quick look, it seemed like the "DSK" boards that accepted them rather quickly went to several hundreds of dollars. < 1397163445 629377 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, a bit too expensive then. Thanks anyway. < 1397163459 168689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As one final note, Analog Devices' SigmaDSP evaluation boards are a bit more fully featured when it comes to built-in analog inputs/outputs -- http://www.analog.com/en/processors-dsp/sigmadsp/products/sigmadsp_evaluation_boards/fca.html -- but they're not exactly cheap either. < 1397163526 950647 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1397163763 182239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397163946 9177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: there's a reasonably "general-purpose" TI TMS320C64x (the aspires-to-VLIW-but-not-quite sibling to the C54x family) DSP core in my N900, and I keep thinking of trying to hack together something using it, but so far haven't managed to. < 1397163960 205786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the stock camera application encodes JPGs on it. < 1397164054 932267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you easily program it? < 1397164087 449229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "easily", but people have done it up to some degree. The communications to/from it are somewhat torturous, AIUI. < 1397164212 228710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a relatively common OMAP3 feature, I believe; I don't know if it's any easier/harder to access on the myriad other OMAP3 devices. (From OMAP4 onwards, I think TI gave up on including a generic DSP chip like that, and just bundled one of their more video-specific things.) < 1397164391 951769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still making those "DaVinci" family of SoCs that bundle a C6x DSP with an ARM core, and people are still using them, I believe, in things like media player boxes and such. < 1397164432 21891 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397164521 970344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be at least hacked-together port of the (Mozilla-funded!) C64x+ implementation of Theora to the N900. < 1397164530 302381 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397164530 494217 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397164630 855920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ < 1397164663 210155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then -> http://blog.mjg.im/2010/04/16/theora-on-n900.html to N900. < 1397164675 362709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not much happening there these days. < 1397164775 769633 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1397164783 747098 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should write a C64 emulator on C64x+ < 1397165039 680633 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Videotape evidence can be overruled by the testimony and after-the-fact interpretation of a police officer, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled last week.” http://thenewspaper.com/news/43/4373.asp < 1397165059 304643 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397166167 774333 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397166343 425719 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397167414 844923 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397167498 593970 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397167509 431159 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1397167509 622092 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1397167516 997023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397167519 454722 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1397167531 991979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git-man-page-generator.lokaltog.net/ < 1397167656 237778 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397167779 519007 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spitbol manual says that it has esoteric features < 1397167897 957691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OKAY < 1397167908 684899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NOT OKAY < 1397167977 7804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the --increase-blast-area option i got < 1397168571 764817 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397168643 74098 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1397168654 422072 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a studentless session! < 1397168793 740547 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1397168884 565753 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1397168886 950326 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1397169065 124048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means i can sort of chat a bit until 7:40 < 1397169075 219872 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! :D < 1397169084 628571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the best game? < 1397169097 915679 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of video < 1397169099 7615 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397169099 205407 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCSS!!!!!1!!1!11!!!one!! < 1397169113 955904 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1397169128 433627 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what time is it now? < 1397169144 663154 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:32 < 1397169148 505030 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm < 1397169192 103863 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dungeon crawl stone soup. and you're lucky, 0.14 is just out! < 1397169218 478695 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay. I *may* be a little bit addicted to that game. only slightly. a smidge.) < 1397169235 902600 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I also have spent many hours on minecraft... < 1397169236 269500 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue is good too < 1397169252 162044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about spelunky < 1397169253 866932 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't brogued yet, but it seems very interesting, what with all those colours and shiny stuff. < 1397169258 84158 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a roguelike < 1397169264 34137 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a roguelike-like. < 1397169280 162903 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is more like a roguelike than any platformer out there < 1397169303 689223 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colors are there to make it feel as if you are really walking thought the cave < 1397169315 288969 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelunky is very roguelike-y. procedural, stupid deaths, bonus impossible stuff... < 1397169379 276899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to play spelunky crossed with DF < 1397169385 716436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 3d < 1397169399 276396 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fungot with the hardcore stuff, batman! < 1397169399 487363 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's a logic system in scheme, lists are a pair of identifiers except by accident. < 1397169409 207334 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, quintopia is not logical. < 1397169409 397800 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: vim isn't exactly snappy on slower systems either. < 1397169412 679666 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a functional game be in a better state than a procedural one? < 1397169455 464701 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey boily this might interest you, < 1397169460 783565 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/j ##ircplayscrawl < 1397169469 882845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it would be the hardest game ever written, but "fun" < 1397169472 82883 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and `telnet termcast.org` < 1397169474 217659 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you cross a platformer like spelunky with a strategy game like df? < 1397169500 377239 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I hate you, tempting me with awesome time-sucking things like that. < 1397169677 56009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: how do you cross an adventure game like Alice with an RTS like C&C? (The answer is Brutal Legend) < 1397169707 125324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words: i haven't thought about it enough to know, but i'll know it when i see it. < 1397169746 803130 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adventure and rts both have slower paceing < 1397169808 666822 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly < 1397169825 866013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i maybe should say action? < 1397169829 758806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :action adventure? < 1397169845 511543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i specifically mean real time games < 1397170109 189885 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what parts of df do you like? < 1397170254 447152 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedural generation of worlds, including their history, culture, climates, biomes, etc. independent agents with their own goals, able to modify the world in physically realistic ways. < 1397170419 783356 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1397170476 803097 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397170600 613912 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397170632 753563 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.101.239 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397170634 505254 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 NICK :nooodl < 1397170687 16364 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-16373.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397171136 763546 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397171354 984314 :doesthiswork!b8ab4464@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.68.100 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397171415 751744 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397172039 994949 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397173305 747531 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397173389 923987 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397173423 315692 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397173426 949207 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1397173427 140024 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397174098 785142 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397174850 810669 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397174868 683887 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397174876 806929 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1397174883 635486 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397175074 776340 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397175276 498977 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397175497 369808 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397175860 32292 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397175874 818730 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397175922 583287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: timeout: 8-9 hours < 1397176117 48459 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397177392 960079 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397177557 367545 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397177576 766068 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397178474 586497 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397178823 683496 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GARDEN CHICKEN < 1397178830 714951 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397179207 802615 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397179628 300352 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v why not <^v> ? < 1397179650 732098 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1397179656 411975 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think < 1397179969 624736 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this week in "dumb questions"; < 1397180138 565539 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is that why it is. < 1397180145 170647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever. < 1397181262 380042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic < 1397181263 738933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1397181599 889450 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to suggest that actually < 1397182114 321219 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there you are <^v> I was wondering where you had gone when I only saw ^v in the channel < 1397182146 811656 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1397182441 219605 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat isn't THAT esoteric but it's still interesting https://github.com/manuel/wat-js < 1397182468 861040 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i don't see <^v>, only < ^v> < 1397182495 359476 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the webchat interface < 1397182531 105193 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else has a space? < 1397182609 560367 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1397182610 287363 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi < 1397182725 498623 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397183454 839229 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397183678 104103 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397183712 544752 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397183928 773159 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397184057 16587 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1397184057 207269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:40 < Barcode> i ended up spitting a wad of half-dry blood into the garbage like 15 minutes after i figured i stopped my bleed and my coworker just. stopped typing for a few seconds < 1397184060 974658 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1397184061 876171 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever. < 1397184338 771424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea of just passing around IOs and functions to IOs is starting to bother me < 1397184369 377631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does an (a -> IO ()) do when you pass it an a? Whatever the heck it wants to! What do you mean, this one is supposed to trigger a bunch of event handlers? < 1397184509 253975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does an a -> Num do when you pass it an a who knows < 1397185027 308340 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397185656 931961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it doesn't do anything < 1397185685 245440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as for the IO actions themselves, yes, the lack of type information about effects can be problematic < 1397185902 685206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want event handlers to be able to do arbitrary IO anyway, generally < 1397185906 664134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is not a very good example < 1397186019 147079 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1397186037 880473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1397186676 374838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, would using reactive-banana just for its AddHandler be a bad idea? < 1397186927 907408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always money in the banana stand < 1397186984 770624 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^^^ < 1397187092 813916 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah... I'm pretty certain I'm going to bite the LastPass bullet soon < 1397187303 192626 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OpenSSL uses a custom freelist for connection buffers because long ago and far away, malloc was slow." so i think i'd like to declare a blood oath against C < 1397187352 683198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft C is easy, just don't make any mistakes ever < 1397187362 519714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't be programming if you're the sort of person who would ever make a mistake < 1397187528 371446 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have to hate the idea of standard libraries? < 1397187553 621384 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of vulnerabilities would crypto in Haskell be particularly likely to be vulnerable to, compared to liklihood of vulnerabilties of reimplementation in more conventional languages? < 1397187561 456015 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Side-channel attacks based on timing? < 1397187633 209815 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397187988 170999 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amusing thing about this is, most of these bugs aren't entirely from C being bad, but from the coders being *profoundly moronic and awful*. With C just making the consequences of it worse. < 1397188128 481978 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22p50z/sub400_btc_here_we_go/cgp0gwy < 1397188160 159508 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not commenting on the rest of it, but that $500/coin to mine figure, would the cost go down with fewer miners competing? < 1397188225 288408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397188229 700332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :others in the thread point this out < 1397188286 554574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cost per GH/s won't go down, but the revenue per GH/s will go up < 1397188307 404546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that just be cost per GH? anyway < 1397188383 448832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~coins < 1397188384 595226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~coins < 1397188386 415093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397188387 685396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :toadcoin boudcoin falcoin sansiscoin libedtcoin whostepchcoin acfcoin consurfcoin zustcoin patncoin dnagecoin adnestcoin ntcmcoin eloopcoin attoacoin niedcoin revelacoin smyrmatinucoin golcoin devcoin < 1397188410 87552 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for being unregulatable. One government's actions is enough to drastically hurt the price < 1397188432 678923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which actions are those < 1397188466 83147 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/04/10/bitcoin-prices-down-10-after-chinese-banks-cut-off-local-exchanges/ < 1397188474 499316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that happened months ago < 1397188478 29995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess something new happened < 1397188482 638093 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397188509 683706 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was always super volatile < 1397188525 422944 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To be fair, if 1 BTC equaled 390 BTC that wouldn't be bad for bitcoin at all." < 1397188529 872424 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/22q9tr/when_bitcoin_drops_to_390_btc_one_man_dares_to/ < 1397188566 721043 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ZNN5zrn.png good point < 1397188606 247107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397188706 666149 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if the technical stuff behind bitcoin allowed it to be useful without it being a vehicle for continuous speculation < 1397188734 869296 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be something good about having a cryptocurrency, but I don't think 'wild price changes you may get lucky on' is it < 1397188803 796723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that's something more specific than continuous speculation < 1397188808 333108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every market has continuous speculation < 1397188820 471090 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you trade bitcoin in real life, its exchange rate will move in real life < 1397188865 783201 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397188929 114823 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is StartSSL still evil? < 1397188959 289633 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More so than usual with the recent Heartbleed issue. < 1397188979 888020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't consider it evil before Heartbleed < 1397188996 392407 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1397189011 655186 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still disincentivizes good security practices, it just happens to have not been very relevant until just now. :) < 1397189123 472987 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-existence of free certs also isincentivizes good security practices < 1397189128 603151 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disincentivizes < 1397189145 619131 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more the complete and utter insanity of the CA system that does that. < 1397189169 299364 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Trust is hard. So trust this list of companies ENTIRELY!" is just... insane. < 1397189316 164485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i "truth is hard, so trust these axioms entirely!" < 1397189349 164681 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free certs, are you suggesting we should lower the cost of someone jacking your router from $20 to zero < 1397189404 2111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :routerjacking.xxx < 1397189440 60809 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sure would suck if mathematicians dedicated themselves to finding the Right axioms < 1397189446 83374 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway What Is Life is p. good i recommend it < 1397189589 656710 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an online catagory theory demonstrator < 1397189627 236682 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.j-paine.org/cgi-bin/webcats/webcats.php < 1397189685 202274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: StartSSL free certs are already accepted by the major OSes/browsers, afaik < 1397189785 233013 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LastPass have a feature to import saved Chrome passwords? < 1397189788 26363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be convenient < 1397190018 930664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for Honest Lexande's Discount Certificates < 1397190066 614613 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397190075 735912 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I should clear out root certs here < 1397190083 504527 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should remove all root certs < 1397190094 557298 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use certpatrol manually < 1397190121 663950 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, any root that signs intermediates < 1397190178 531244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run openssl genrsa -out /tmp/root-ca.key 4096 < 1397190179 82219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: can't open config file: /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf \ Generating RSA private key, 4096 bit long modulus \ ..........++ \ .++ \ e is 65537 (0x10001) < 1397190184 641863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might even succeed in making SSL annoying enough to use that you just use http intsead < 1397190293 72572 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey has anyone noticed that statistical mechanics is balls out crazy < 1397190364 81107 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to be fair http://i.imgur.com/jfGMMyL.png < 1397190484 724036 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1397190488 6903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1397190504 609208 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, airgapped < 1397190510 573283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1397190520 120483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :military grade cryptography < 1397190545 149423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default is 1024 bits :'( < 1397190581 596372 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whast's wrong with 1024 < 1397190591 108317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small < 1397190610 134380 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's like, ovre twice as much as 400 bits < 1397190618 270512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc would prefer 2048 bits < 1397190632 776707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397190695 847340 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real thing that surprises me with default military grade being 1024 is that it's not like it would be that expensive for them to say "1024 is accepted but all new keys are 4096" < 1397190779 5311 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't understand, "military grade" just means "iraqi rebels can't hack into our drones using 20-year-old PCs" < 1397190791 51432 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also sometimes means "RAM heatsinks" < 1397190817 416163 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :important to stay warm < 1397190852 725936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese solid capacitors < 1397191348 191817 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397191381 521038 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397191638 564966 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397192029 723639 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397192388 198970 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397193129 716588 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397193336 190868 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-pmxxzbfnyfimpyua JOIN :#esoteric < 1397193336 381158 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-pmxxzbfnyfimpyua QUIT :Changing host < 1397193336 381227 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1397193740 425137 :password2!~password@197.78.173.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397193948 327579 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397193974 788245 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397194138 337079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Heartbleed is 11 on a scale of 1-10, what is 'mathematicians have found a very fast way to factor any number' be? < 1397194170 991029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 < 1397194180 294229 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :11*11 < 1397194190 561516 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, factorization could be in P without P = NP, right? < 1397194198 679547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397194204 673962 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397194215 433945 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could base a cryptosystem on discrete log or w/e right < 1397194225 270377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397194245 201462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like elliptic curve crypto < 1397194248 937370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSA is pretty widely used though < 1397194250 438146 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess "RSA doesn't work" would still be pretty bad, practically speaking, huh < 1397194253 719495 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1397194270 35928 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty bad. but not nearly as bad as "private key crypto doesn't wokr < 1397194300 220698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a lot worse than everyone's private keys getting leaked once < 1397194475 259246 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Note that this final London equation does not contain instantaneous dipoles (see molecular dipoles). The "explanation" of the dispersion force as the interaction between two such dipoles was invented after London arrived at the proper quantum mechanical theory.» can someone explain to me how chemistry, the science, is even possible < 1397194546 656486 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw you would like quantum crypto < 1397194555 160802 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1397194569 698431 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a joke or anything it just doesn't seem like i would < 1397194776 838412 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading a seminontechnical schrodinger thing and he more or less gave up on explaining quantum jumps except that they happen, it kind of rules < 1397194887 328392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like post-quantum crypto < 1397195086 205679 :doesthiswork!b8ab3bac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.172 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397195371 181761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not totally sure < 1397195376 396264 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you would < 1397195403 483503 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i would like to understand stat mechanics. it seems slightly different from quantum crypto, but then it is connected to info theory... < 1397196030 720214 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistical mechanics doesn't use much information theory < 1397196043 415873 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that you try to guess at the microstates from the macrostate < 1397196099 382353 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at szilard engine < 1397196105 514851 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the lack of knowledge between the two is basically what constitutes entropy < 1397196692 771384 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397196851 170118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://copy.sh/v24/ < 1397196981 717216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. and chemical entropy is shannon entropy times boltzmann. < 1397197769 507551 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397197868 568672 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397197911 456547 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That quit message is racist against chinamen < 1397197923 781918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the preferred nomenclature < 1397198035 416688 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397198042 364360 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"continually sucking orderliness" < 1397198079 312944 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397199076 919201 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397199643 297536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rebmu14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39283 5* 03Zom-B 5* (+2118) 10Created page with "Rebmu is an esoterical code-[[golf]] dialect of Rebol, made by HostileFork. ==Overview== The underlying language is case-insensitive, so it uses CAPSalternationTOseparateTOKE..." < 1397199649 663121 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397199831 954581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rebmu14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39284&oldid=39283 5* 03Zom-B 5* (+263) 10 < 1397199972 222015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I should try to smuggle that ^ wiki update bridge into the start script of HackEgo, or if that would be presumptuous, or if it's even a good idea in general. < 1397200368 183843 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397200880 417745 :MoALTz!~no@user-46-113-228-62.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397201679 23735 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-176-164.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397202387 578874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1354/ So how accurate is this < 1397202574 673216 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397202640 938031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lactarius xanthogalactus" is a pretty effing cool name < 1397202750 369531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milky weird-milk? < 1397202791 435270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yellow-milked milk-cap < 1397202802 509051 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :xantho is yellow, not weird < 1397202810 428963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike knows < 1397202822 397529 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got no idea about galactus < 1397202826 418767 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the planet eater dude < 1397202922 796521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "Galaxy" is from the greek for milky way < 1397202929 902215 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, literally "Milky Way" < 1397202951 770902 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum, so it is < 1397202960 40800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes TIL as well < 1397202967 413417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it sounds like the kind of thing I would have known and forgotten < 1397202983 174856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really isn't all learning just remembering < 1397203000 778507 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :going for the double greek, are we < 1397203071 585309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397203774 405079 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 < 1397204820 616516 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397204878 71802 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-176-164.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397204889 658246 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397204911 777022 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397204911 970848 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397206385 711995 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397206417 556070 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey did you guys see the european open source meeting talk? < 1397206506 278202 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jQoAYRKqhg < 1397206707 439365 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :openssl is dead < 1397207340 196941 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't bet on it < 1397207481 970837 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jwrsoxhmjlyxdqom QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397208929 319065 :S1!~chatzilla@p4FF93189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397209253 116018 :cool!45e42122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.228.33.34 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397210579 814501 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397211326 255696 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397211544 185226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397212158 607969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Side-channel attacks based on timing? <-- that's my hunch anyway. < 1397212203 15656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming an attacker cannot also track memory use. < 1397212249 14930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've read about things like cache-timing attacks on AES. < 1397212263 405818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess would be a subclass of "memory use". < 1397212303 808709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw i left out the context that this was about haskell < 1397212312 894764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is safe in so many other ways. < 1397212349 930185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all right, since I did see the context. < 1397212353 871444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1397212409 299413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like tracking memory use _via_ time use... < 1397212466 783310 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397212784 722372 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397212796 478452 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213264 18993 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397213314 258993 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF909F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213326 959730 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF909F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397213327 163506 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213371 193961 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213424 932329 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.232 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397213533 161923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These spam emails from (predominantly Chinese) manufacturers of this and that (mostly) industrial thing are curious. < 1397213555 585540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One wouldn't assume them to have much of a success rate, but maybe it's a large enough epsilon to be worth it. < 1397213622 833157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe they have some other purpose. Does anyone know?) < 1397213634 40715 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397213701 914838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a sample I just got, delivered to an obviously-harvested-from-web role address just now: http://sprunge.us/ceGW < 1397213746 581523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're secretly commands to the chinese hacker botnets, they're just sent indiscriminately so no one will notice where the real machines are hth < 1397214247 176681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1397214310 368677 :S1!~chatzilla@p4FF93189.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1397214525 863763 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1397214611 795096 :password2!~password@197.78.173.12 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397214719 534225 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397214934 240856 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that reminds me of http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/opinion/sunday/the-cybercrime-wave-that-wasnt.html?_r=0 < 1397216174 29080 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397216778 648559 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397216934 611874 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397217168 708926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1397217170 96009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1397217205 824243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Jafet before `reverting, you should check that your command actually changed something, otherwise you'll revert the previous change instead. < 1397217206 42458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397217563 368469 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, /tmp isn't tracked < 1397217595 377936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1397217596 416136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1397217599 93947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only that < 1397217666 494964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1397218285 783706 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397218685 335927 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397218770 283377 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397218783 470075 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397219676 510547 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397219681 259625 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397219914 821764 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397220005 585504 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397220023 827523 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397220357 329599 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397220393 370619 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397220665 292313 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397220696 72133 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397220967 785938 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397221769 353748 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397222336 241653 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397222409 216154 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397222452 612146 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397222735 540442 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397222764 3283 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397223171 890143 :S1!8d1fe87a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.31.232.122 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1397224538 202060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39285&oldid=39247 5* 0388.162.181.62 5* (+9) 10 < 1397225198 726234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't be right, but I don't have time to look into it right now. < 1397225221 361162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They added "F#" to the language list, but that just works out as a link to F.) < 1397225248 80092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should be Fsharp < 1397225298 605478 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397225326 438676 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us JOIN :#esoteric < 1397225327 575340 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@WatchGuard.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us QUIT :Changing host < 1397225327 805257 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397226293 802779 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397226562 281143 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397226651 434980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39286&oldid=39274 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+95) 10Move signature to end, question < 1397226902 174852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39287&oldid=39285 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-9) 10Undo revision 39285 by [[Special:Contributions/88.162.181.62|88.162.181.62]] ([[User talk:88.162.181.62|talk]]) (Not esoteric, and the page is not about it.) < 1397227449 821982 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397228424 787424 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1397229329 506863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397230227 195757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397230352 809320 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397230398 23532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1397233531 248527 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397233639 313387 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397233645 885047 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones JOIN :#esoteric < 1397234017 979312 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397234988 71654 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397235664 667677 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397236167 316647 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397236256 975830 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397236276 625325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble frumble mips-elf-objdump doesn't have a similar "use information from DYNAMIC phdr entry instead" flag that mips-elf-readelf has; it can't disassemble these binaries at all. (I've used readelf + dd-with-offsets + objdump -b binary as a workaround, but it's very uncomfortable.) < 1397236389 310524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For one thing, I need to manually cross-reference all GOT offsets and such.) < 1397236632 499330 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397236674 46437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397236683 775610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397236954 799737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397237704 199005 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397238015 317892 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397238541 356235 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have experience with compiling BASIC-like Languages to languages without computed gotos? < 1397238551 309182 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/ib8s3lEB <- this approach works < 1397238569 940247 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's prone to stack overflows < 1397238627 448780 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's C# btw.) < 1397238750 572537 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also figured I could keep a list of delegates < 1397238761 753681 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tell's me which function I have to call next < 1397238789 932438 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way I could probably avoid that < 1397238813 572717 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397238870 703061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the single-function giant-dispatcher approach. < 1397238992 347193 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the Statement s = LINE1; while (!quit) { s = s.invoke(); } approach. < 1397239010 962932 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(poor man's CPS) < 1397239117 537714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also adopt something like the "Cheney on the M.T.A." trick, but it's perhaps not that doable in C#. < 1397239152 154782 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/eSHjKVYa <- this works < 1397239197 333438 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping a list of delegates. and a GOTO changes the index of the next called function < 1397239225 392496 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no GOTO just increases the index) < 1397239261 448445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do something similar I have just used a case block, where the labels are just case and goto is replaced by an assignment and then continue the outer loop. < 1397239489 266876 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. < 1397239497 529653 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can have this thing going by tomorrow :D < 1397239535 694640 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Write Yourself a crappy BASIC compiler in a day :) < 1397239791 578839 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397239792 788148 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397240326 523796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397240327 923637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imminicoin lnncoin greocoin nyrcoin alpitchcoin smalcoin fortcoin anemailwariathcoin theshccoin chercoin grapecoin wheecoin fernacoin son-textenchcoin longcoin balcoin lintolercoin nesancoin sfulcoin empiuertcoin < 1397240419 131766 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smal[l]coin < 1397240465 615535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smellcoin < 1397240981 312701 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397241044 793813 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397241619 980522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39288&oldid=39278 5* 03Zerk 5* (+10) 10Clarified indentation slightly; "[same _Y _Y]" is my new favourite way to specify letrec XD < 1397242887 535168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nock14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39289 5* 03Zerk 5* (+1425) 10TODO: actual article. I think copying the official docs wouldn't be a license conflict? < 1397242904 124967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39290&oldid=39286 5* 03Zerk 5* (+415) 10 < 1397243318 494571 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397243527 308564 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397243574 196330 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397243610 690089 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397243697 704207 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Client Quit < 1397244596 310447 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397245997 824428 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397246128 515296 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397246243 821816 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397247978 524910 :password2!~password@197.78.134.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397248461 379820 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397248683 142763 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be a good name for a language based on a statemachine that can be in an arbitrary superposition of states? < 1397248724 167804 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE QUANTUM MACHINE < 1397248732 984069 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerstate machine < 1397248739 235718 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Power < 1397248749 113496 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the state is actually out of the powerset of states, rather than the set, see < 1397248833 147643 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok powerstate it is < 1397248846 621506 :password2!~password@197.78.174.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397248936 945813 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its more of a fuzzy powerset really < 1397248952 149294 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probability assigned to each state? < 1397248991 486376 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Love Machine 9000 < 1397249011 312017 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not probability, canonicalness < 1397249042 513369 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh? < 1397249059 992207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this involve a priesT? < 1397249120 511803 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its state is holographic so it responds in proportion to how similar it's current state is to the set of states < 1397249132 259195 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense I promis < 1397249581 75261 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397249678 547196 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397250193 668602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397250226 172996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397251242 508040 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397252209 298090 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397252341 306061 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.148 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397252479 688127 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397252501 765569 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397252975 846842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found one case in Rust where let mut x = ...; f(x) can end up modifying x < 1397252977 642112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1397253063 521550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the worst things about C++, and Rust generally avoids it < 1397253083 264787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know, there's a lot of competition for "worst things about C++" < 1397253370 506218 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397253439 525784 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397253459 687923 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397253570 222663 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ killed my parents :( < 1397253790 296517 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to the phone < 1397254062 726994 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397254090 662162 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397254133 437442 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397254534 179815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Nock14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39291 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+172) 10Created page with "After reading about the Urbit project, Nock and Hoon are definitely esoteric ~~~~" < 1397254674 433834 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397255182 131677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Doesthiswork14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39292 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+763) 10notes on holographic reduced representation < 1397255992 838124 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397256017 742685 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397256482 315731 :doesthiswork!80df920d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397256547 161742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/111605401594472745199/posts/BBarZAT9wCM < 1397256570 604650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1397256610 410758 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397256666 372467 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397257103 515100 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397257815 617418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh easter is next week < 1397257908 159473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wows never to trust shop assistants again < 1397257992 85336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because of this, i might have sent flowers to someone who is already on vacation) < 1397258059 60162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may < 1397258505 696386 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397261056 168082 :password2!~password@197.78.174.123 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397262305 322313 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397262377 920053 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397262782 518376 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397262795 780259 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397263288 24540 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397263319 758693 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397263908 707177 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397264350 284752 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397264937 992201 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397264945 394197 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397265436 237410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397265606 372039 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397266865 344930 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397266868 858487 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey all < 1397266898 111672 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a BNF grammar for brainfuck out there somewhere? < 1397267006 341958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would just be c ::= "[" c "]" | "+" | "-" | "<" | ">" | "," | "." < 1397267007 379656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397267021 179971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of interpreters will accept unbalanced [] until you actually hit them < 1397267032 183950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not clear whether that's a syntax error or a runtime exception < 1397267043 105049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1397267063 179917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c ::= "" | "[" c "]" | "+" c | "-" c | "<" c | ">" c | "," c | "." c < 1397267336 730178 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397267551 654219 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. i'm trying to learn about compilers so i figure that getting a parser+lexer for brainfuck working would be the easiest place to start -- are there any good resources out there? < 1397267588 845425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. What are you trying to write the program in? < 1397267766 919048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck isn't the kind of language you would use those tools for < 1397267772 133577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39293&oldid=39288 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+2056) 10added a simple genetic algorithm as an example < 1397267784 804001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would start with a simple expression grammar < 1397267799 189997 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm really interested in learning how to use parser-generators, i'm using antlr < 1397267803 60866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is true you don't need a parser+lexer for brainfuck compiling < 1397267821 503250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse arithmetic expressions with literals and +-*/ and parentheses < 1397267828 879099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of the standard first parser project < 1397267921 473108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39294&oldid=39293 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+7) 10 < 1397267934 88026 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.... and that would look something like: op ::= "+" | "*" | "/" | "-"; exp ::= exp op exp | id; id ::= [0-9]+; < 1397267937 130429 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1397267960 944380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CapitalSigma: That won't make any precedences. < 1397267996 588112 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397268009 478867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the parser for the OASYS compiler (a text-adventure game system); is not too difficult for understanding. (I have, in fact, rewritten it in BASIC from a printout of the C code, because I didn't have a disk, and on the target computer I didn't have a C compiler.) < 1397268128 155979 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397268153 125865 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: okay. so it needs parens.... i suppose exp ::= "(" exp op exp ")"; would be enough... is there anything that you all recommend i read for starting off? < 1397268337 691108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't read much about parser either...the only expression parser I really studied much is the one used in OASYS, and didn't find it so difficult. < 1397268555 997725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read some books too, telling about LL(1), LR(1), and so on, but I forgot what book it is. < 1397268566 532591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia might have some more information. < 1397269018 819403 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha, i'll look around, thanks < 1397269449 306324 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397269471 194667 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397270713 313444 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only NullPointerException was a checked exception... < 1397270754 704916 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually that would probably be quite annoying to work with) < 1397270766 50518 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure which is worse < 1397270824 371166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only, if only, the woodpecker sighs < 1397270967 511703 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.81 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there was a comic charecter named Smokey Stover who called things he didn't know the name of "foo" < 1397271169 526759 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bark on the trees was as soft as the skies < 1397271247 485702 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1397271761 370218 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google seems to disagree on if it's 'trees' or 'tree' < 1397271828 379606 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.81 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397271972 104106 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to install EclipseFP < 1397272775 358731 :SpaceWizard!~Apollo@unaffiliated/rjones QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397273483 779598 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397273585 481561 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cloudflarechallenge.com/heartbleed < 1397273595 641970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, are they just trying to figure out the plausibility of stolen certificates? < 1397273850 269178 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible for a random third party to hinder Heartbleed attacks slightly by asking for a smaller heartbeat payload than it gives? < 1397273989 118135 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1397273995 817570 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hilarious < 1397274050 890824 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that means, but you could inundate servers with traffic so that single attackers are less likely to find sensitive data amongst all of your buffers < 1397274091 301672 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, it costs you more traffic to play this game than them. < 1397274331 290775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/indutny/status/454767565991325697 < 1397274532 587703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use www.cloudflarechallenge.com to make it actually work < 1397274544 286305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think twitter messes with things that look like hostnames < 1397274566 155870 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hovering over the links shows www < 1397274626 691243 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone steals the private key from his server < 1397274629 336648 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1397276610 526200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is this quotation about Lisp programming: SQL, Lisp, and Haskell are the only programming languages that I've seen where one spends more time thinking than typing. -- Philip Greenspun < 1397276698 209472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greenspun hasn't seen enough languages < 1397276815 328935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You are probably correct. < 1397276970 305912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39295&oldid=39294 5* 03Zerk 5* (-50) 10/* Examples */(Decrement) I think I just figured out recursion, correct me if I'm misunderstanding the semantics. < 1397277360 975438 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also get that with brainfuck < 1397277406 958551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you hate FORTRAN so much? < 1397277589 890751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you want rail for kalashnikov < 1397277644 588064 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397277730 490131 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39296&oldid=39295 5* 03Zerk 5* (+50) 10Undo revision 39295 by [[Special:Contributions/Zerk|Zerk]] ([[User talk:Zerk|talk]]) I do misunderstand the semantics! It would reach the right value, but then unwind back to the original 0 before returning. < 1397277830 420333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who/what they are. < 1397277883 881211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you call a chain A, B, C, ... such that A ⊆ B ⊆ C ⊆ ...? < 1397277911 164029 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397278059 894834 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i hate fortran so much < 1397278097 175793 :password2!~password@197.78.174.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397278113 98330 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: descending chain? or what < 1397278126 812389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1397278134 484838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess chain is the actual term < 1397278142 564256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is it descending and not ascending < 1397278157 760420 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, i'm not noether < 1397278836 829052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you make a programming language where the types are Hoare triples? < 1397278841 764647 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I'm already using an entirely online password manager, completely unencrypted < 1397278859 189902 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, I think it's unencrypted) < 1397278941 395461 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397279187 312021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39297&oldid=39296 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (-2065) 10removed the GA example after concluding that it is a mess semantically < 1397279526 166148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397279664 978954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google already has my passwords, why not LastPass? < 1397279758 66903 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome is unecrypted by default but you can encrypt them if you'd like. < 1397279771 203836 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the local store is encrypted though; the encryption option just affects the syncing < 1397279932 726580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397279973 11924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to do sequent calculus with only bound variables and no free variables (so that free variables are ungrammatical)? < 1397280089 167847 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :been too long since I've seen sequent calculus < 1397280429 116741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to think of a way < 1397281394 892278 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397281598 770784 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397282798 129208 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397282830 520918 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397282963 871656 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, you gave your password to google?!@# < 1397283066 480976 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397283251 724830 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397283502 704647 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: it's what happens when you decide to use gmail. < 1397283665 910991 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397284443 764265 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant you tell them you want to use gmail but you dont want to give them your pw? < 1397284556 160842 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble is that most services that use authentication persistently insist that you should allow them to delegate the authentication to google. < 1397284646 427064 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if I could simply point them at foo@example.com. (Probably not; IANA has a server there.) < 1397284689 903936 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most services i've seen dont delegate auth to google < 1397284719 253936 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what pisses me off lately? hotmail and google and others pestering me constantly to link a cell phone number to my account < 1397284737 357052 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do, but have a strange name for this--"Forgot your password?" < 1397284959 312379 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah well hotmail locked me out of my account for a month because i didnt have a cell phone number in case I "forgot my password" < 1397284968 467652 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whats more dangerous, forgetting my password, or hotmail? < 1397285037 392045 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a few days when its finally available again i can start migrating all my accounts off of that email addr < 1397285126 703818 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are two opposite kinds of danger. I don't know how forgetful you are, but I create passwords algorithmically so "forgetting" them is not an issue. The only issue, then, is email. < 1397285167 671044 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Import Your Contacts From Gmail < 1397285405 284076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :import your contacts from the depths of hell < 1397286340 674252 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397286402 874884 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1397286614 319717 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397288521 452685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39298&oldid=39290 5* 03Zerk 5* (+2165) 10/* Implicit evaluation */ new section < 1397289059 51027 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or does smartboxes look to useful to be an esolang? :D < 1397289554 387955 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lead mentions Kay, so it is esoteric pretty much by construction < 1397289657 569026 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay < 1397289697 493898 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(Kay) < 1397289785 926825 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that good or bad? < 1397290217 622566 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(k) < 1397290281 158087 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's an upper bound, so anything except good? (unless good is small, then anything except bad) < 1397290283 160506 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397290926 86783 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397291261 286965 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.161.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397291520 308140 :Slereah!~jackal@80.10.159.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397291697 281910 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.161.165 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397293773 407465 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397293782 787072 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397293820 201599 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397294081 157642 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397295584 517676 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397296080 273345 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397296752 73081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/WRGj That's quite the regexp. < 1397297027 248988 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397297087 309104 :Slereah!~jackal@80.10.159.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397297656 93539 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, pretty simple, though < 1397297689 187226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like that deprecated expression for email addresses < 1397299430 5456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1397299681 571349 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397300584 167504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397300667 970417 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397300906 198936 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.148 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397300918 510496 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397302057 936569 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397303031 65835 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397303085 232333 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397303126 527382 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-087.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1397303803 664671 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net NICK :Melvar < 1397303852 237773 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397305482 524149 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.208 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397305949 996374 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397306059 533861 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397306190 865849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39299 5* 03Zerk 5* (+2725) 10Spec fork! < 1397306654 948182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fancy < 1397307011 552729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1397307053 392815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397307053 583616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1397307053 583742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1397307282 242497 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397307931 318748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. My 16 GB CF card has turned into a 2 TB CF card. < 1397307955 567439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3432361.978679] sd 11:0:0:0: [sde] 3842213123 512-byte logical blocks: (1.96 TB/1.78 TiB) < 1397307968 3693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it says when I plug it into a card reader. < 1397307977 938144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's some luck < 1397307991 958722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Less lucky is that any IO access to it just hangs indefinitely. < 1397308032 414268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it wasn't indefinitely; but it does go all http://sprunge.us/Meab after a long delay. < 1397308037 865398 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some manufacturers inflate the apparent capacity of their flash devices, but this is somewhat excessive < 1397308059 268237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does manage to read the partition table off, so maybe a dd on the first 16 gigs could work. < 1397308092 587330 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's only a 7 order of magnitude error. nothing to worry about. < 1397308210 63816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd of the first partition (there seems to be three) at least seems to be working. fdisk didn't, but maybe it was trying to check something at the end of the disk. < 1397308289 323264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, it's only reading 100 kilobytes/sec, but that still counts as working, I guess.) < 1397308411 595739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 16 gigabytes / (100 kilobytes/s) < 1397308416 24838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :160000 s (time) < 1397308424 747040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only 46 hours to read the 16 gigs that should be there, and a further 220 days to see what's on the rest of the two terabytes. < 1397308442 16458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :piece of cake < 1397308557 852110 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does the data that you get off the drive make sense? < 1397308631 970901 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for some reason I could see immediately that 160000s is about two days, but had to think a long while to realize that 46h is also about two days < 1397308955 30291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I haven't looked yet. But it had the same number of partitions, so presumably at least the first sector was correct. < 1397308987 636431 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. anyway, good luck :) < 1397308989 870771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same number that I expected it to have, that is. < 1397309036 622910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing terribly important in there; it used to be the "hard disk" of a computer, I was just missing some scripts and crontabs I think were in /root which I didn't copy back when the card was working normally. < 1397309800 254633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :140345856 bytes (140 MB) copied, 1327.63 s, 106 kB/s < 1397309822 405900 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397309889 123798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contents seem correct, too. Except that sde1 was apparently /boot, so they're not exactly useful. < 1397311332 21902 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397312050 770810 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397312358 66154 :password2!~password@197.78.174.123 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397313524 182217 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397313901 140923 :password2!~password@197.78.135.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397314199 405092 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397314850 522911 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397315240 932043 :password2!~password@197.78.135.37 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1397315772 563947 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397317060 448044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397317364 446818 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1397317426 319382 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397317554 310366 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397319229 490492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also got http://sprunge.us/aFOb during a scheduled check of a backup disk, which doesn't sound good. < 1397319648 783632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never figure out how to read this smartctl output. :/ < 1397320114 416790 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBA numbers, right next to planck units and ancient greek cubits < 1397320122 653481 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :gsmartctl helps < 1397320160 145095 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397320242 1859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a graphical something? The disk is not on a computer with X libraries or anything. < 1397320271 424242 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a gtk something < 1397320318 867615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if big numbers or small numbers are good for these translated ones. < 1397320327 663758 :MoALTz__!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397320331 311261 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397320359 614429 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could keep mashing the drive and check if the number increases. < 1397320444 279955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll run the self-tests, since those at least should say something reasonable, hopefully. < 1397320494 31288 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397320501 969047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reallocated_Sector_ct has a velue of "200", worst of "200", threshold of "140" and a raw value of "1". < 1397320688 906284 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \n#include \nmain(){\n void *p = mmap((void*)0x398e4f53fa300000, 4096, PROT_NONE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON|MAP_FIXED, -1, 0);\n return !printf("%p %s\n", p, strerror(errno)); }\n' > /tmp/m.c && gcc m.c -o m && ./m < 1397320689 316282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: error: m.c: No such file or directory \ gcc: fatal error: no input files \ compilation terminated. < 1397320700 38041 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \n#include \nmain(){\n void *p = mmap((void*)0x398e4f53fa300000, 4096, PROT_NONE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON|MAP_FIXED, -1, 0);\n return !printf("%p %s\n", p, strerror(errno)); }\n' > /tmp/m.c && gcc /tmp/m.c -o /tmp/m && /tmp/m < 1397320701 718490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/m.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/m.c:6:17: warning: missing terminating " character [enabled by default] \ /tmp/m.c:6:2: error: missing terminating " character \ /tmp/m.c:7:1: warning: missing terminating " character [enabled by default] \ /tmp/m.c:7:1: error: missing terminating " character \ /tmp/m.c:7:1: error: expected expression at < 1397320758 805729 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \nmain(){\n void *p = mmap((void*)0x1000000000, 4096, PROT_NONE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON|MAP_FIXED, -1, 0);\n return !printf("%p %s\\n", p, strerror(errno)); }\n' > /tmp/m.c && gcc /tmp/m.c -o /tmp/m && /tmp/m < 1397320759 517329 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x1000000000 Success < 1397320771 295576 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, seeing the reactive-banana guy act like an idiot makes me sad < 1397320773 681040 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \nmain(){\n void *p = mmap((void*)0x1000000000000, 4096, PROT_NONE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON|MAP_FIXED, -1, 0);\n return !printf("%p %s\\n", p, strerror(errno)); }\n' > /tmp/m.c && gcc /tmp/m.c -o /tmp/m && /tmp/m < 1397320774 504675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xffffffffffffffff Cannot allocate memory < 1397320784 163193 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1397320833 78867 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \nmain(){\n void *p = mmap((void*)0x1000000000000ull, 4096, PROT_NONE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON|MAP_FIXED, -1, 0);\n return !printf("%p %s\\n", p, strerror(errno)); }\n' > /tmp/m.c && gcc /tmp/m.c -o /tmp/m && /tmp/m < 1397320833 886564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xffffffffffffffff Cannot allocate memory < 1397320848 520040 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/22udou/heartbleed_aftermath_should_haskell_web/ < 1397321050 737863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Wouldn't 0x1'0000'0000'0000 fail the canonical-address test? < 1397321172 99725 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, there are such things as canonical addresses. < 1397321174 155984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In addition, the AMD specification requires that bits 48 through 63 of any virtual address must be copies of bit 47 (in a manner akin to sign extension), or the processor will raise an exception.[1](p131) Addresses complying with this rule are referred to as "canonical form."[1](p130) Canonical form addresses run from 0 through 00007FFF'FFFFFFFF, and from FFFF8000'00000000 through ... < 1397321180 98516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... FFFFFFFF'FFFFFFFF, for a total of 256 TB of usable virtual address space." < 1397321194 199449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits don't grow on trees, you know! < 1397321196 642586 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought CPUs were more clever about masking the unimplemented address lines. < 1397321204 244634 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFF'UUUUUUUU < 1397321227 359366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're clever about hiding unimplemented physical address lines. < 1397321266 545517 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :L/ < 1397321279 891723 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was meant to be an emoticon but I am too tired < 1397321339 252143 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, I bought a new comic :) < 1397321357 956067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're less clever about the virtual address space limit, which I gather has something to do with saving area on the chip. (As well as maybe some page table -related things?) < 1397321412 978383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: Intel manuals allow for up to 52-bit physical addresses even while the linear addresses are restricted to 48 bits. < 1397321472 325889 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :48-bit PAE... they think ahead, don't they. < 1397321572 240352 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I feel like crap < 1397321650 772745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canonical address thing is done on purpose < 1397321664 742905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that people don't use the unused bits for tag bits (without masking) < 1397321674 236384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the virtual address space can be extended later without breaking shit < 1397321699 654637 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoilsports < 1397321707 68286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, right? < 1397321712 623573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo there should at least be a way to disable it < 1397321727 146756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people care a whole lot about speed and not at all about binary forwards-compatibility < 1397321739 483726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a secret MSR or something < 1397321755 767341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a translation of a 48-bit virtual address involves quite a lot of pointers. The CR3 register points at the start of the PML4 table; bits 39..47 of the address select an entry of it pointing at a Page-Directory-Pointer Table; bits 30..38 select an entry of it pointing at a Page-Directory Table; bits 21..29 select an entry of it pointing at a Page Table; bits 12..20 select an entry of it ... < 1397321761 786911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... pointing to a physical page; and bits 0..11 are an offset within the page. < 1397321789 317903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of bugs me that they all have names instead of just being level4 .. level1 < 1397321806 490700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PML4" has a 4 in it, at least. < 1397321809 78266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397321822 704165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see them invent names for all similar tables of a full 64-bit setup. < 1397321834 385730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't give them any ideas < 1397321839 152719 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, you could map identical ranges that have a tag bit on and off to the same underlying pages < 1397321851 787524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397321856 888440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered if there are programs that do that < 1397321859 493338 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might screw with the tlb, but isn't it worth it < 1397321877 41971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just set the "Page-Directory-Selector-Index-Hyperpage-Pointer" suitably and... < 1397321886 805478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you know the trick about having a page directory table entry that points back to the page directory table? < 1397321908 537779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PDT and PT records have a similar layout < 1397321952 877957 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would you trick with that < 1397321961 259300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the PDT as a PT, then you've mapped all the PTs as pages in virtual memory < 1397322114 304519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why do you feel like crap? :/ < 1397322163 869181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error < 1397322167 188321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :# 1 Short offline Completed: read failure 80% 26750 470670340 < 1397322170 192922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to call it broken. < 1397322172 455582 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was meeting from friends and I kind of abandoned them and I feel bad about it < 1397322235 240595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397322278 393499 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: eek < 1397322342 423388 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: eek. < 1397322651 219361 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397322662 415960 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 -- did I break this? < 1397322662 615738 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :041 : 12Integer < 1397322663 390550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: GhcException "cannot satisfy -package lens\n (use -v for mor... < 1397322673 938442 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. bah. < 1397322770 80176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do Intel make it too complicated/confusing? < 1397322836 460971 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 1 < 1397322838 161847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1397322877 419210 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397322936 26092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, there was a 36-month warranty on the disk, and it ended three weeks ago. < 1397322978 337036 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice < 1397322984 720973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, those engineers are good when it comes to planned obsolescence. < 1397322992 600897 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangerous level of competency here. < 1397323192 793214 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hi bots" < 1397323193 21558 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"hi bots" : 12String < 1397323194 340952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi bots" < 1397323524 964840 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397323771 182404 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397323947 271780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: 7.8.1 -> 7.8.2 < 1397324058 590561 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397324226 432280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397324475 786439 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lightly pokes lambdabot < 1397324503 988915 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell idris-ircslave hello! < 1397324504 181423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397324671 340482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hi fungot" < 1397324671 569890 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"hi fungot" : 12String < 1397324671 787273 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: those wallpapers have fnord. python has no semicolons, but mandatory newlines and indentation. < 1397324672 587205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi fungot" < 1397324695 795488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python does have semicolons < 1397324780 651910 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: if Python has semicolons, does it mean that wallpapers are fnordless? < 1397324787 442808 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-;^ < 1397324797 61427 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted ^;-;^ < 1397324806 630261 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^;-;^? < 1397324826 462870 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm talking to you, you uncouth bot! < 1397324826 833419 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if all the benchmarks were implemented. the shared state was very clearly isolated in both scheme48 t ( except in summer when i earn nothing < 1397324841 240198 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ah. summer internship? < 1397324841 492509 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that doesn't render correctly here." " n=1" " n=2" " n=3" " n=4" " n=5" " n=6"... etc. < 1397324882 122313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is that a vampire bat < 1397324893 231570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a vampire bat < 1397324893 445553 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: strange labels like spells and magic recipes?" but i don't < 1397324920 206337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1397324924 640397 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're good. < 1397324925 893421 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hintopia! < 1397324928 599931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happyy saturday < 1397324942 654890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is a day for being tired < 1397324956 227273 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is a day to be smooth and drink coffee. < 1397324969 60259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i drank some coffee < 1397324982 176970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was almost two weeks old and gross < 1397324992 792224 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders compiling a couple more ghcs < 1397324995 121884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was hot and caffeiney < 1397325002 426671 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably change some passwords instead < 1397325018 825041 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two. weeks. old. coffee. I am impressed. < 1397325036 381687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i don't die < 1397325064 330611 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( please tell us if you do ) < 1397325103 257638 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're going to live through the Experience, then pen a beautiful, heart-wrenching Memoir about it. < 1397325110 722100 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be sure to put it in my will < 1397325126 586529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's my password. get on all my networks and tell them i'm dead please and how i died." < 1397325149 462659 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your password hunter2weekOldCoffee? < 1397325218 675895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean *******weekOldCoffee? < 1397325225 206343 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thought of dying from stale coffee is enough to keep one awake at night. < 1397325226 556067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was almost two weeks old < 1397325329 545507 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still better than 2weakOldCoffee < 1397325386 155265 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397325444 730911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't weak < 1397325448 481564 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was strong < 1397325455 53833 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't quite coffee either < 1397325466 256246 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397325498 312839 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397325515 790464 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397325587 999121 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I just finished a full pot of http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/60241389/?query=UPPHETTA < 1397325765 313477 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397326156 224614 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397326912 449329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: utf8 woes < 1397327033 851398 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@c-74-114-78-97.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397327040 33575 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@c-74-114-78-97.netflash.net QUIT :Changing host < 1397327040 240443 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397327169 338508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397328046 967041 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1397329094 374778 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397329504 230912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you look at Nock? (there is now an article on esolang wiki, and a talk page with a comment on it) < 1397330112 320734 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397330275 627344 :MoALTz__!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397330715 307127 :Slereah!~jackal@193.253.170.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397330757 304551 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.228 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397331826 331626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397331828 137512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eta-julinersuscoin arcallyidocoin unshicoin stanacoin trocoin inforkcoin ringvilcoin unlamcoin crambdcoin uncecoin hcmoncoin keliucoin briacoin blocoin msglecoin wobtucoin kimossercoin waiperlinecoin ennecoin etchellcoin < 1397331841 628119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one sounds good. < 1397331918 927838 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cats < 1397331919 529245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow meow meow meow < 1397331933 23807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --swedish < 1397331933 706342 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kommaservägacoin < 1397331944 114690 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --swedish 20 < 1397331944 790136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :puscoin varscoin härtatcoin äkterskådandlatcoin böncoin bestallatcoin opencoin livitcoin uddeställcoin avböjtscoin frisioneracoin tonårcoin återscoin stancoin kokosympacoin omväxlincoin natikuslingcoin gunviscoin elväggnacoin ausarnacoin < 1397331949 593135 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cats --swedish < 1397331950 278574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/tail: option used in invalid context -- 1 < 1397331997 567549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of those were beancoin and teenagecoin in swedish < 1397332047 691805 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :deniedcoin/rejectedcoin too < 1397332067 670653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --finnish 20 < 1397332068 460479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mattomuutomimpänäcoin kireammecoin läpäivässännecoin persovemacoin loppiincoin humistävänäncoin tuneimpinallecoin seksennecoin upottelicoin herkkostansacoin kivaimpianicoin innöiltacoin kailemmecoin puuteleviävistäsicoin joutsuttavammottuvistacoin kiipeimmiltacoin alustammecoin oikografisimmassacoin havastustamincoin pöydäntegiasicoin < 1397332124 429046 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --klingon 20 < 1397332125 19743 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: klingon < 1397332133 474367 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --welsh 20 < 1397332134 2104 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: welsh < 1397332366 110491 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --chinese 20 < 1397332366 896575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: chinese < 1397332373 371652 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins --french 20 < 1397332374 655979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :babiliocoin nanisercoin desgotricanglecoin recencoin glriencoin lyeaucoin mbuscoin repréexprivacoin cudentcoin trèsfactécoin lilécoin regacoin siminuovecoin tewarolencoin procoin uivcoin clorescoin dêlecoin édouvecoin pérecoin < 1397332383 770193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2379071488 bytes (2.4 GB) copied, 22536.1 s, 106 kB/s" fastest CF card in the West < 1397332452 108601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 13.6GB left of the 16GB card then? < 1397332549 710679 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to phone < 1397332581 361727 :Sgeo|iPad!2f150cf0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.21.12.240 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397332633 50300 :Sgeo|iPad!2f150cf0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.21.12.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidly went to another town' s AT&T store without my computer to wait two hours for my phone to be repaired < 1397332750 147364 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at&t store, that exists? < 1397332798 53329 :Sgeo|iPad!2f150cf0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.21.12.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. There's one near where I live and one in this other town that is an expensive cab ride away < 1397333058 60017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Something like that. I had to stop temporarily to reboot. < 1397333090 353348 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|iPad: what was wrong with the one where you live? < 1397333093 639898 :Sgeo|iPad!2f150cf0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.21.12.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ping < 1397333095 754899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (Also for some reason the new 3.13.x kernel Debian had installed hangs in the "waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." at boot; the old 3.12.x worked.) < 1397333098 948550 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong! < 1397333112 11744 :Sgeo|iPad!2f150cf0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.21.12.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They directed me to come to this one < 1397333116 564320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Today's apparently the National Computer Problems Day.) < 1397333123 323488 :Sgeo|iPad!2f150cf0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.21.12.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or leave phone with the. < 1397333132 502323 :Sgeo|iPad!2f150cf0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.21.12.240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With them overnight which I didn't want to do < 1397333510 789924 :Sgeo|iPad!2f150cf0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.47.21.12.240 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397333555 264652 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT : < 1397333958 429703 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-79-99.pptp.stw-bonn.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397334391 203079 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397334501 325708 :Slereah!~jackal@193.253.170.203 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397335375 864773 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397335405 651054 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't the "problems" redundant there?! < 1397335680 403803 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397335769 782271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. After all, "computer" is a Navajo word meaning "the cause of problems". (Not true.) < 1397335902 111859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ut oh, now the CF card reading has stopped. < 1397336199 371923 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I accidentally qualified for the google code jam < 1397336204 588278 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of you make the joke please < 1397336466 501576 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397336553 82740 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: damn. what joke? < 1397336614 72023 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is it good on code toast"/"i prefer code marmalade" etc < 1397336638 332348 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't get phone fixed < 1397336648 699097 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. food programming. spaghetti code. < 1397336652 657115 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said need to order a new part to do it safely < 1397336653 130767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither, Sgeo < 1397336687 457899 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like ordering a new part, going to some place again, blah < 1397336693 182087 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might just buy a new phone < 1397336706 809880 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to get into the habit of buying a phone just because the old one broke slightly < 1397336781 85577 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397337117 945636 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397337131 774727 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397337840 923924 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397339419 153992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397339478 184964 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397339775 498190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ok, seeing the reactive-banana guy act like an idiot makes me sad <-- yeah people who aren't perfect all the time are so stupid < 1397339802 744664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i noticed those comments too btw.) < 1397339859 349995 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397339859 576916 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397340411 126820 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397340413 889703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* int-e ponders compiling a couple more ghcs <-- what, are you updating lambdabot to 6.8.2 already? :) < 1397340427 479873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1397340431 656163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*7.8.2 < 1397340448 105096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 6.8.2 was the first GHC version I used. < 1397340455 306649 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397340581 601555 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: already done < 1397340608 413782 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:27 --- lambdabot has quit [Quit: 7.8.1 -> 7.8.2] < 1397340616 811265 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CET) < 1397340620 319033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :smashing < 1397340658 45107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall lambdabot used to be several versions behind < 1397340660 312358 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was amazed, all dependencies already worked, I only had to patch lambdabot itself. < 1397340673 775245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1397340723 967788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be getting good at updating packages for big releases < 1397340726 599401 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was only this small problem related to role annotations: https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/commit/dc7ee36480a3e2b4e1b25d0022de72b764029bf7 < 1397340816 63901 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm waiting for somebody to figure out that not being able to infer a representational role for the return value of monad transformers is actually quite annoying.) < 1397340824 822307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39300&oldid=39299 5* 03Zerk 5* (+2358) 10Examples! < 1397340842 88512 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, s/monad transformer/concrete monad stack/ < 1397340899 635886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm indeed, i'd have expected m to have the nominal role if any? < 1397340913 80426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i really understand roles yet < 1397340921 268466 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh. LB a = StateT State IO a, for some datatype State) < 1397340935 402959 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a to be representational there. < 1397340946 73630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1397340986 92326 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not because the monad transformer uses 'm a' for unknown 'm', forcing the argument to be nominal (that's the only safe choice in general). < 1397341019 209737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't force m to be representational instead? < 1397341029 542802 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-79-99.pptp.stw-bonn.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397341050 931139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they simplified the role system so much they cannot express that. < 1397341055 722273 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. what do roles even mean for things of kind other than *? < 1397341063 799303 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. plain types) < 1397341094 667075 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps more relevantly, what does m ~ n mean if m,n : * -> *? < 1397341094 962705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine that it should mean that m is something that is representational if its argument is < 1397341113 523457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah too much brain < 1397341206 280437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they'll be forced to implement role polymorphism eventually >:) < 1397341320 236582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you changed lim80! the end of an era < 1397341345 90837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run 123 < 1397341346 748383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 123 < 1397341348 907234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lim80 < 1397341351 875280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. < 1397341360 89244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two-space days are over. < 1397341364 829829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lambdabot's output limiting command < 1397341377 492516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i thought he did that a while ago < 1397341385 439176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the thing that makes lambdabot cut off > [1..] far too early, but lets you flood the channel with N lines of error. < 1397341391 223381 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you get 80 characters on each line! < 1397341405 154804 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than 80, total. < 1397341405 805249 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1397341407 355348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... < 1397341415 978611 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1397341427 519161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1397341429 237483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: now just rewrite @run to use repl and support user-local definitions and you'll be ahead of not only what I actually did, but my plans as well. < 1397341429 429406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1397341431 869824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:D < 1397341511 486627 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sounds like work though < 1397341526 520829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but it was sooooo fast < 1397341534 350059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and soooo brittle. so many ways to crash that thing < 1397341603 899668 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39301&oldid=39298 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+866) 10 < 1397341609 235016 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did that in December last year. < 1397341623 517332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's a while ago ok < 1397341646 90252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I didn't look at the log until now. < 1397341675 819262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq < 1397341676 10064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ < 1397341679 645322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1397341688 140546 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the branch I'm actually using is called 'config' btw. that's where all the nasty changes are hidden. < 1397341697 572926 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like this change to @faq) < 1397341713 525185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should upstream config stuff < 1397341727 239630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason the default config and rc and stuff \bot ships with should differ from what actually runs on lambdabot < 1397341761 229280 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit that the actual configuration is not even checked in. I should really do that. < 1397341791 716421 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I have to clean up the utf8 changes very slightly and put them on master) < 1397341827 370927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you ported it to UTF-8?!?! < 1397341838 504369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started to do that but it was such a massive effort to untangle what's really a bytestring and what's really text < 1397341851 609661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point @run was broken because of double-encoding or something like that < 1397341871 298991 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really. ghc-7.8 now uses utf-8 quotes ... < 1397341875 295030 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type huh < 1397341876 378371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘huh’ < 1397341884 733788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1397341891 115305 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there. so I patched @eval and @type where it leaked through < 1397341891 885175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just a @run-local hack < 1397341899 946848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, @eval is something else entirely :) < 1397341901 452427 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. @run. right < 1397341908 862898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it should stop being something else entirely and become @run instead) < 1397341917 594864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it's more like nothing else entirely.) < 1397341928 542855 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I will probably continue to mix them up. < 1397341933 89086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@evil plans < 1397341944 30555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list eval < 1397341944 292282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval provides: run let define undefine < 1397341948 183227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help eval < 1397341948 388929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval. Do nothing (perversely) < 1397342010 957448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39302&oldid=39301 5* 03Zerk 5* (+222) 10/* Implicit evaluation */ < 1397342043 812228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39303&oldid=39302 5* 03Zerk 5* (+73) 10Forgot to sign < 1397342519 693341 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://github.com/int-e/lambdabot/commit/e4c4c70c41f79d497bc59e381552d5b6b3c44d38 is the actual configuration < 1397342527 689639 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may like the scripts) < 1397342562 280481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you refactored it and everything. < 1397342588 873942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :online.rc, I mean. < 1397342606 694283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the nickserv password still, erm, *that*? < 1397342624 813681 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. There was no reason to change it. < 1397342664 36660 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I refactored online.rc, because I actually have two of them, one using a DNS name for freenode, and the other using an IP. I grew tired of keeping them in sync. < 1397342677 420847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why two? < 1397342682 971058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what's the point of the IP one? < 1397342691 90588 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP works better when Freenode is under DDoS attack < 1397342695 236427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397342710 128163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should support a list of addresses for a server :) < 1397342770 680047 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the screen session setup should actually be invoked automatically when the server reboots. I have not tested that though. < 1397342784 548199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: incidentally, what with the rate of owner turnover, I think lambdabot's 100% loyalty rating could use a reassessment. < 1397342796 531202 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1397342806 396263 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|_% ?! < 1397342838 343159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: make it pick a random number on startup! < 1397342861 795854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just move that into an -e rather than the .rc. < 1397343015 62060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I have a binary clock, or if I'm remembering someone else's < 1397343017 463210 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess laziness and purity wins that fight: It has already been evaluated to 100%, it'll stay that way. < 1397344177 103160 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google lamdu < 1397344177 712386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Peaker/lamdu < 1397344220 422442 :int-e!~noone@88.198.179.137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^^^ HTTP does not support https out of the box, but at least it does not error out anymore. < 1397344237 763219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http-conduit does https < 1397345785 967006 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Doesthiswork14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39304&oldid=39292 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10I don't normally edit user pages but that's a broken link. < 1397346547 497357 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@79.141.173.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397346556 199848 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397346639 524609 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397346690 481734 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397346726 44037 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397347098 570089 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mcsjcxnjewjtjnan JOIN :#esoteric < 1397348293 204607 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397348310 188545 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397348490 521982 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@79.141.173.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397348572 191229 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@93.190.140.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397348592 307790 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397348706 612352 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397348707 860211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many text adventure games use a virtual machine, which is then run in the interpreter. I have a bit different idea, to instead make a intermediate code, which is then compiled by the OEM into the proper code for the machine and then put into a disk, tape, ROM cartridge, or internet. Probably it would run faster like that and possibly smaller file too. < 1397348733 49484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it is compiled into a 6502 code, x86 code, or possibly even a C code. < 1397348753 540239 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it wouldn't matter too much though -- zcode tends to be pretty swift on most platforms. :) < 1397349029 67332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is; I have written interpreters for Z-code. < 1397349144 903558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is, though, also TADS, Glulx, Level 9 A-code, OASYS, and others. (I have worked with OASYS, too; it is designed to be interpreted but could be compiled too due to its Restricted-Harvard format.) < 1397349263 858257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most of them have some complexity involved, so a simpler format can be made, and make it fit on smaller ROM cartridges. Some older computers don't have lowercase, and omit some other ASCII characters too; using only uppercase and also improve text compression. (Z-machine version 3 can run on uppercase-only computers, but mixed-case text is still needed in the story file.) < 1397349365 87222 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you familiar with Linus Akesson's Zeugma? < 1397349371 890003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know of it. < 1397349390 290386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also, made part of a Z-machine interpreter for Famicom, myself. < 1397349405 132083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which isn't tested and probably contains many errors) < 1397349506 852204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the entire code so far of Famicom Z-machine: http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/Famicom_Z-machine < 1397349558 557877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Zeugma is for version 4, 5, 8. My program is for version 1, 2, 3. < 1397349686 780770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many Z-machine interpreters contain errors. < 1397349700 969674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly any implements permanent shifts correctly. < 1397349786 329711 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many examples of version 1-3 Z-code are there? < 1397349806 441880 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small handful of early Infocom games? < 1397349841 700207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many, actually. < 1397349851 7481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most Infocom games are version 3 < 1397349918 290063 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397349944 169378 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397350142 78315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me if you find my program to be OK and/or anything you think is wrong with it, please. < 1397350478 775213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compiled system would probably work better though, especially if it is far simpler than Z-machine. < 1397350551 920881 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397350842 71599 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397350976 285523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many different SQL "CREATE FUNCTION" syntaxes are there? < 1397351039 984414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Night < 1397351185 955684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a lot of different ones, and there are more differences when aggregate functions are involved too. < 1397351445 44852 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397351623 976135 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397352103 283779 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/01/microsoft-pimps-it-old-school-with-a-pricey-text-adventure-game/ < 1397352256 530710 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is disappointing. < 1397352717 164428 :drlemon!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397352720 125607 :drlemon_!~drlemon@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397354206 197108 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@93.190.140.196 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397354249 380625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: :D < 1397354370 44949 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397354817 236353 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397354986 922376 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397355989 867873 :SleepyPikachu!~elliot@46.33.31.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397356005 180255 :SleepyPikachu!~elliot@46.33.31.82 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397356967 964897 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guess Erlang is a language that you don't want to use as just a general make-yourself-a-better-programmer language? At least, I have a feeling that let-it-crash may be a bad idea to bring into non-Erlang ecosystems < 1397356998 581523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pretty big fan of let-it-crash tbh < 1397357013 758976 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does that work outside of Erlang? < 1397357065 686648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can design systems that way in any language(s) < 1397357069 502227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang may make it easier < 1397357079 545397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional programming in C is also quite popular < 1397357152 388306 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get more understanding of let it crash < 1397357176 252298 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a cryptographic primitive that fails quickly and blatantly if a precondition isn't met is an example? < 1397357183 935114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know the finer points of it eithe < 1397357184 756492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1397357190 880220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust lost linked task failure :/ < 1397357194 858891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional programming in C? But, then you would need a user-parameter. < 1397357197 558233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a real pita < 1397357197 748684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1397357205 802809 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just imagine myself standing over a flaming computer and laughing < 1397357207 479709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, and void* user parameters are quite popular < 1397357213 581375 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED < 1397357217 529719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's kind of a joke to call that functional programming < 1397357232 668675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't much write higher order combinators around their closure structs in C < 1397357239 162440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even people who went to MIT < 1397357244 876809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, a lot of SQLite API functions that will call back functions, will have void* user parameters. < 1397357275 405333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it isn't real functional programming, but it would be one thing you would require, if you are to start trying to make functional programming in a C code. < 1397357535 25209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Extwo 5* 10New user account < 1397357933 636751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still it isn't quite real function programming; functional programming isn't a C code anyways! < 1397358247 108232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the functional programming that can be spoken of is not the true functional programming < 1397358294 283803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made this "text adventure intermediate language". It has 36 opcodes (actually, 90 if you count the operand size bits), although some don't need to be implemented. It is possible for SAVE, LPTON, LPTOFF, PICTURE to all be no-operations; it is OK for QUIT and RESET to have the same operation as each other, and if SAVE isn't implement, RESTORE? can act the same as JUMP. < 1397358393 97558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary and decimal numbers are treated differently, for compatibility with computers where such a thing would help. 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< 1397367082 115704 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397367082 115773 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397367082 115837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397367082 115901 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397367082 116014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397367082 116077 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397367082 116139 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1397367476 151089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39305&oldid=39300 5* 03Zerk 5* (-1) 10/* Standard Library */ syntax < 1397367497 847868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39306&oldid=39303 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+541) 10 < 1397368449 324044 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397368957 481649 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397369330 215131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397369766 86357 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397369789 880385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I want to know the context of every line of the Picard Song < 1397369983 644757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Hoorint-e! < 1397371062 817323 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397372533 230512 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397372669 913588 :Patashu!Cyclear@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397372856 319598 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397373322 308318 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397373534 195667 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest46968 < 1397374245 807940 :erdic!erdic@2604:180::6050:fab4 QUIT :Changing host < 1397374245 999569 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397374529 829433 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397374619 312680 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.228 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397375314 297536 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397375329 307050 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.161.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397375707 105078 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397376456 160956 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397376881 326143 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.161.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397377107 258380 :Patashu!Cyclear@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397377284 596356 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1397377435 498601 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1397377532 507527 :password2!~password@197.78.146.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380695 368660 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380695 752188 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380696 64418 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380696 257261 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380697 308381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380697 671249 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380698 270201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380698 461750 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380698 461778 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397380785 689425 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380786 290430 :Speed`!~Speed@evile.thrash.im JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380786 290499 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380786 290526 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380786 290552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380786 290579 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380786 290604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380786 290633 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380786 290674 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1397380950 221465 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397381504 740850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: STATUS UPDATE: 6011486208-byte partition sde2 extracted successfully overnight; turned out to be the / partition; had the crontab I was looking for, but scripts were in /home/foo for a system user foo, in flagrant disregard of FHS; now reading the rest. < 1397381605 220376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I don't know if FHS really says anything about that, but I imagine it might.) < 1397381741 194083 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397382610 378342 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397383184 775168 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397383574 314898 :password2!~password@197.78.146.59 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397383795 671592 :password2!~password@197.78.146.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397384400 132984 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397384731 200903 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397384731 483462 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397384932 309326 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397385118 166244 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397385243 226697 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397385264 173270 :Patashu[Zzz]!Cyclear@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397385264 400763 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397385577 430739 :password2!~password@197.78.146.59 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1397385591 175055 :Patashu!Cyclear@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397385793 219232 :Patashu[Zzz]!Cyclear@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397385993 245375 :Patashu!Cyclear@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397386104 765935 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397386300 336418 :Patashu[Zzz]!Cyclear@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397386300 560610 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397386565 437908 :Patashu[Zzz]!Cyclear@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1397387131 752394 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397387313 184768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397387673 307476 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397387684 189408 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397387701 907577 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397387815 67758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 [...] SAVE, LPTON, LPTOFF, PICTURE <-- you need a HDRON too hth < 1397387816 246326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397387846 128616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: you seem slow. < 1397387846 704186 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LPTON ICE < 1397387887 919317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it is evil to pun zzo but i couldn't resist < 1397387961 475191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRYON and MSON are optional. < 1397388001 437512 :Patashu[Zzz]!Igora@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397388002 907808 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397388037 681066 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadroff < 1397388077 515922 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a bit like barking < 1397388110 354170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's hard to tell who is slow on IRC < 1397388141 934945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from here, the @tell and lambdabot's reply both had timestamp 13:16:55) < 1397388147 676876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there's a big split gap in the logs < 1397388172 1734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok < 1397388180 776337 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone spammed freenode. < 1397388195 12291 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: big news < 1397388310 365569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. impressive spew of k-lines. < 1397388413 848543 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. In other big news, Afghanistan held presidential elections for the first time in modern history. < 1397388762 442387 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1397388918 194304 :Patashu[Zzz]!Igora@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397388981 270740 :Patashu!Tenmu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397388999 525049 :Patashu!Tenmu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1397389069 362518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm clog and glogbot were in different fragments but neither registered any talking. almost everyone who split split from both. < 1397389113 889883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:03 --- quit: drlemon_ (*.net *.split) < 1397389114 81289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:04 --- quit: jconn (*.net *.split) < 1397389114 81359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:07 --- quit: impomatic (*.net *.split) < 1397389114 81396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:08 --- quit: trout (*.net *.split) < 1397389114 81432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:08 --- quit: scoff (*.net *.split) < 1397389116 740589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:09 --- quit: glogbot (*.net *.split) < 1397389118 932022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:11 --- quit: nisstyre (*.net *.split) < 1397389121 346611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:11 --- quit: tromp_ (*.net *.split) < 1397389123 905439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:11 --- quit: heroux (*.net *.split) < 1397389124 720361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1397389126 744504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:11 --- quit: Melvar (*.net *.split) < 1397389128 851201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:12 --- quit: zzo38 (*.net *.split) < 1397389131 752660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:12 --- quit: TodPunk (*.net *.split) < 1397389133 851876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:13 --- quit: shachaf (*.net *.split) < 1397389134 559521 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :fizzie > 1397389134 571059 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397389136 756858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:14 --- quit: applybot (*.net *.split) < 1397389138 880377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:15 --- quit: jix (*.net *.split) < 1397389140 313736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric +q :oerjan!*@* > 1397389140 326515 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397389148 118472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume a mispaste.) < 1397389159 401067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if the faucet is still on. < 1397389160 598918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -q :oerjan!*@* > 1397389160 609853 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397389161 468061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:36:23 --- quit: ggherdov (*.net *.split) < 1397389163 918672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PART :#esoteric < 1397389187 938219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -o :fizzie > 1397389187 949876 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397389196 776368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was spectacular. < 1397389224 273033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397389228 153709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope parting flushed that buffer < 1397389239 280226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to have. < 1397389239 601442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what command does it. < 1397389261 638324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought irssi was supposed to have protection against this D: < 1397389297 116414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this touchpad is evil hth < 1397389297 331992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is supposed to ask, but sometimes (if there's SSH lag or something) it doesn't realize. < 1397389340 352784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the protection is based on "N lines in K units of time" kind of rules. < 1397389340 584997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1397389350 684659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think i planned to increase that timeout once. < 1397389388 364159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:43:16] paste_detect_time = 5msecs < 1397389388 555030 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode probably throttles input. < 1397389392 94229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, 1499 km in speed-of-light terms. < 1397389434 759612 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, good ol' zeroth order models. < 1397389434 951001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 10 msecs i now increased it to 100 < 1397389504 193205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i manage to type a normal line in less than 0.1 s < 1397389580 194248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i had just copied and pasted that long list into vim to compare clog's view with glogbot's. < 1397389670 203347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i'm pretty sure there was an election for karzai's second term? but this may have been the first time they handled it themselves. < 1397389698 314188 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, there were two elections, but people didn't seem to like those very much. < 1397389770 81126 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t mkShow < 1397389770 270576 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09BotPrelude.mkShow : (13a -> 12String) -> 12Show 13a < 1397389925 821742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally the only ones not split from clog were Gracenotes Taneb clog douglass_ ejls mroman, and the only ones not split from glogbot were glogbot impomatic scoff trout. < 1397389928 833244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1397390133 891447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asleep, hth. < 1397390159 805083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you were in both lists. < 1397390183 269309 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe int-e's alibi. < 1397390269 597442 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to oerjan :-) < 1397390286 486089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi impomatic < 1397390451 883489 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC alerted me so I zoomed across here in case everyone's talking about Core War or something :-D < 1397390492 742690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry it was just clog war < 1397390550 199594 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just mention this before I have lunch :-P http://corewar.co.uk/spring2014.htm < 1397390607 113706 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh also if you're interested in the history of worms / viruses I've found a description of one which possibly predates Creeper. < 1397390681 273436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime oerjan < 1397390681 932789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Sun Apr 13 14:04:41 2014 < 1397390758 313924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:38:35 --- [Users #esoteric] < 1397390758 505989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:38:35 --> drlemon_ int-e jconn < 1397390782 982775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "but the program must still behave essentially the same" sounds rather subjective for a computer tournament... < 1397390785 606402 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:40:24 --- glogbackup has joined #esoteric < 1397390817 570680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then people started coming back 07:12:11 (all CET). That's my view of the netsplit. < 1397390848 931398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather fine fragments, i take. < 1397390977 976033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot split a bit earlier and rejoined a little later. tunes still hasn't fixed its broken clock. < 1397390982 872137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw UPPHETTA means to heat up (something) < 1397390996 272893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what, with two t's? < 1397391014 160214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other number of t's could there be? < 1397391028 46539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one two three? < 1397391029 173472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one like in norwegian? (and english for that matter) < 1397391036 119495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "other", so one or three ;) < 1397391037 511194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(opphete) < 1397391074 971300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aufheizen" has no t at all (though you can count the implied one in the 'z') < 1397391094 274981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:hette means hood. < 1397391105 302451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be sv:hätta < 1397391160 806233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, literally... hood would probably be sv:huva nowadays < 1397391206 55510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cap? < 1397391260 921559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what hue means in my dialect, although standard norwegian is lue. < 1397391308 619779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually more like huæ. < 1397391486 84574 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fr:chauffer. < 1397391495 871172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The thin atmosphere prevents Mars from retaining any heat energy, so temperatures near the equator can get up to 70 degrees F during a summer day, and then drop down to minus 100 degrees F at night." < 1397391532 920297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know summer day temperatures on mars were so reasonable. < 1397391555 655704 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"up to" < 1397391613 28805 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 70 fahrenheit to celsius < 1397391616 932080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "fahrenheit". \ Bounds in range expression are of unsupported types: (70 fahrenheit (undefined symbol), celsius (undefined symbol)) \ at frink.expr.bh.byte(frink) \ at frink.expr.bh.evaluate(frink) \ at frink.parser.Frink.parseString(frink) \ at frink.parser.Frink.parseStrings(frink) \ at frink.parser.Frink. < 1397391626 385403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, 70 is about room temperature < 1397391647 896818 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(((70 - 32) * 5 / 9)) < 1397391648 424340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1397391670 788137 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 is good. I like 21. < 1397391820 836017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time period when mars may have had water is known as the "Noachian". although the implications are somewhat dampened by it being named after the region of Noachis Terra. < 1397391879 108094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr `frink has a weird way of converting temperatures, also your syntax is wrong for ordinary units as well, it's not a bloody natural language parser. < 1397391927 581774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sanetemp 70 < 1397391928 282357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sanetemp: not found < 1397391932 939772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sanetemp 70 < 1397391934 669439 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :21.1 < 1397391946 736024 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!insanetemp 21.1 < 1397391947 296181 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :69.9 < 1397391949 982968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show sanetemp < 1397391950 410880 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh dc -e "1k?32-5*9/p" < 1397391959 407238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dampened, hmm. (damp = moist) < 1397391997 978375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the intended pun. < 1397392034 750203 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is istr twh < 1397392133 653193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall < 1397392220 460342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, twh is another acronym in the hth family. < 1397392309 181659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it mean "that will help" or "that won't help"? ;-) < 1397392318 955307 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would help, iirc. < 1397392323 231338 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? twh < 1397392323 801283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. hand. < 1397392329 959560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/bash'; echo 'echo "$@" | dc -e "1k?32-5*9/p"') > bin/sanetemp; chmod +x bin/sanetemp < 1397392331 600326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397392338 556892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sanetemp 70 < 1397392339 139770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21.1 < 1397392347 760240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show insanetemp < 1397392348 95761 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh dc -e "1k?9*5/32+p" < 1397392372 58790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/bash'; echo 'echo "$@" | dc -e "1k?9*5/32+p"') > bin/insanetemp; chmod +x bin/insanetemp < 1397392373 531126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397392383 818463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`insanetemp 21.1 < 1397392384 343514 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :69.9 < 1397392413 113373 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat <<<$SHELL < 1397392413 652594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh < 1397392461 590433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh on HackEgo does some bad things < 1397392478 710555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file /bin/sh < 1397392479 371408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh: symbolic link to `dash' < 1397392482 586314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular iirc you don't want to echo user input with it. < 1397392508 347487 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/sh echo echo < 1397392508 810003 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh: 0: Can't open echo < 1397392512 617141 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beuh... < 1397392520 985290 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/sh -c echo echo < 1397392521 471499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397392521 662339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing -c < 1397392535 251920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't break on _all_ input, mind you. < 1397392538 356000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/sh -c "echo echo" < 1397392538 910616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo < 1397392580 596262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall what caused the problem, but i think tabs may have been involved. < 1397392596 900602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1397392619 363726 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho "$@"' >bin/poulet; chmod +x bin/poulet < 1397392620 750370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397392633 853024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was when your input contained escape sequences like \n. < 1397392634 291129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1397392634 915392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash -c "$1" < 1397392645 462894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's why <<< worked :) < 1397392659 209968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of unclear whether "insanetemp" (resp. "sanetemp") converts from insane to sane, or the other way around. < 1397392661 356562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet test\nho < 1397392661 865090 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test \ ho < 1397392674 294377 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet somethingsomething < 1397392674 757850 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somethingsomething < 1397392676 330914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's to hth < 1397392683 823334 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. the tab didn't work. < 1397392685 563167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it wasn't tabs, but \n < 1397392691 918618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^H isn't a tab < 1397392699 553686 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet something something < 1397392699 994076 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something < 1397392710 887558 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I got slightly confused. < 1397392712 294180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to get it passed through unchanged. < 1397392720 766283 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet somethingsomething < 1397392721 315702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somethingsomething < 1397392727 530276 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet something < 1397392727 957820 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1397392729 382261 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1397392731 871207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees nothing bad. < 1397392749 465770 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sucks at mental calculation and hexadecimal this morning. I deserve an automapole. < 1397392797 720068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my test shows it. < 1397392802 869779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/Ohlo9ru5.png - wysiwyg < 1397392803 60814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet test\nho < 1397392803 449603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test \ ho < 1397392830 640576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you know you could be saved all this work if you paid attention to my self-corrections hth < 1397392859 771887 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEUAAAAAAAAARGH! < 1397392871 140152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless it adds color codes, in which case they get filtered on my end) < 1397392879 307452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the idiom of using echo "$@" to pass command args unchanged as input to a command breaks with /bin/sh < 1397392919 977179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that is, it's not _supposed_ to turn that \n into a newline. < 1397392936 241204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet -? < 1397392936 758841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-? < 1397392969 274550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. I have a file called -u in my home directory, how did that happen :) < 1397393000 869943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :some curl mishap judgring by its content (a 401 error) < 1397393023 761849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i remember someone added a command to do this automatically... < 1397393028 824028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*or* < 1397393029 558761 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/forget \ bin/fortune \ bin/joustreport \ bin/ord \ bin/ordu \ bin/pastefortunes \ bin/print_args_or_input \ bin/rainwords \ bin/word \ bin/words < 1397393041 375526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input, it was < 1397393048 359463 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word < 1397393049 21857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aver < 1397393053 155308 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1397393066 511940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: truth in advertising < 1397393086 528317 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1397393109 35767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry. http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/echo.html begs to differ. < 1397393123 672268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the results are implementation-defined" < 1397393199 647616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm not saying dash breaks the standard, i'm saying the standard is inconvenient. < 1397393347 150922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New applications are encouraged to use printf instead of echo." < 1397393360 829587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/print_args_or_input < 1397393361 475278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]; then printf '%s\n' "$*"; else cat; fi < 1397393372 426530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they actually did < 1397393384 77751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1397393402 902355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess the proper solution is a here document. foo < C < 1397401226 489016 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume Celsius is the sane one < 1397401476 716590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1397401508 340819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rankine is the truly insane one < 1397401576 524213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kelvin had a great idea there, but clearly we should base the scale on the more familiar Fahrenheit unit instead." < 1397401585 6236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the Rømer and Réaumur scales? < 1397401624 443851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a giant temperature-o-meter with markings in one of those in a park somewhere in Switzerland or Italy, I took a photo of it. < 1397401705 834346 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about just an exponential scale with k = 1 < 1397401707 767369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Réaumur, apparently. < 1397401737 507519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's just Celsius except with 80 in place of 100.) < 1397401776 562338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Réaumur looks quite sane. Rømer not so much, because it seems to depend on the salt content of brine. < 1397401816 871716 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't we just use natural units < 1397401824 308149 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything in Planck units! < 1397401857 353895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And both are saner than Fahrenheit (coldest temperature ever encountered at home = 0 ... body temperature = 100; everybody gets their own scale that way!) < 1397401892 113197 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like good old time, with elbow and foot lengths of the king. < 1397401908 723563 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man that must have sucked < 1397401922 325579 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People would be always like "Hey king, can you drop by, I have stuff to measure" < 1397401945 106564 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why they're called rulers, you know < 1397401956 138149 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1397401965 250149 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would explain the attraction of the chinese to small feet ;-) ) < 1397401986 687945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random hardware question: are there any potential issues with USB-connected SATA HD enclosures around the 2 TB barrier? (I had that 1.5 TB drive that broke, and was thinking of sticking a 3 TB drive in to replace it.) < 1397401990 294674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ouch. < 1397402024 138853 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet : Reminds me of https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/3/39/Robotnikwood.jpg < 1397402046 817366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would have thought we're past that kind of problems already, but in the past there's been some kind of a "barrier" at pretty much every other power of two.) < 1397402051 207801 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have to use GPT if it's partitioned, I guess? < 1397402142 513784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably true. Though I don't think that should be a problem, as long as there isn't anything about the USB-to-SATA bridge that would have problems. < 1397402150 35303 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2TiB barrier is not visible to SATA < 1397402167 415496 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, I was just thinking of issues with using a drive like that in general. < 1397402187 562280 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason people made a big deal out of it was because old BIOSes couldn't deal with 4KiB sectors < 1397402278 542914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a "must upgrade disk firmware in order for it to be recognizable at all" incompatibility with these current 3TB drives in this desktop. < 1397402378 89054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it was the 1TB Samsung HD105SI instead. And some other computer. < 1397402432 11862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyway, things never work out right if there's any chance for them to go wrong, has been my general feeling about hard disks. < 1397402673 310063 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.12.100.208 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397403062 752533 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397403557 330598 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397403868 325984 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397404529 627750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397405013 575418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397405039 965214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should use a lot of smaller disks in RAID instead then? < 1397405113 11186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have places to put them in. Anyway, maybe it'll work. < 1397405140 567984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By all means it should, anyway. < 1397405173 783121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, beautiful timing: Evolution froze up, I typed in a killall command < 1397405173 976282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just before I ran the command, it crashed < 1397405176 391944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I thought the disks were meant to be inexpensive < 1397405176 585348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than, necessarily, small < 1397405189 831357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1397405190 156748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 4h 49m 34s ago: [...] SAVE, LPTON, LPTOFF, PICTURE <-- you need a HDRON too hth < 1397405193 107683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you missed the context < 1397405211 339762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, it is a joke... < 1397405223 822810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually "LPTON" is short for "line printer on" < 1397405326 499447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know it is ironic that I should say that yes < 1397405351 218790 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397405367 454687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397405368 770427 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1397405377 882328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, you missed the context ais523, I know it is ironic that I should say that yes < 1397405381 633702 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrt the disk size) < 1397405772 576096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, C++ is getting ever better language for obfuscations too < 1397405777 254545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this < 1397405780 372861 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397405840 729640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, C++ is pretty great for obfuscations < 1397405858 461424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, any apparently innocent line of C++ code can do pretty much anything, depending on the context < 1397405908 894423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it explicitly names a primitive data type < 1397405948 559010 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the language with apparently innocent lines. C++ is like a mob boss. < 1397405948 751277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed how lambda syntax now lets you define new variables (possibly shadowing existing ones) without ever mentioning a type name or "auto"? makes it even more difficult for a human to follow bindings. < 1397405954 254851 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define int Utils < 1397406019 640582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, it is pretty terrible for anything except obfuscation at this point < 1397406034 366563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with C++03 it wasn't /that/ bad < 1397406071 62581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's the preprocessor, it doesn't count < 1397406072 331931 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++11 was an obvious improvement on C++03. < 1397406098 701439 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bjonas: haskell lambdas dont even make you type a type name.. how evil < 1397406106 140134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++11 is better at being C++ than previous versions were < 1397406138 591943 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> C++11 < 1397406139 433152 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1:When elaborating an application of function 09Prelude.Vect.++: < 1397406139 626213 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable C < 1397406140 410656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘C’ < 1397406140 607329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: yeah, but in haskell you don't have assignments to previously declared variables either < 1397406156 634307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were user-defined literals part of C++11? < 1397406165 774310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: so, like, in haskell, x = 3 always introduces a new variable x < 1397406172 432499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : C++11 was an obvious improvement on C++03. <-- in some respects, yes < 1397406177 801709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ it's probably just an assignment to an existing x < 1397406203 544885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes < 1397406216 1645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean suffixes to numbers at least < 1397406226 107607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I think is terrible, makes it much harder to follow < 1397406269 241089 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly all C++03 code is valid C++11, and C++11 can do many other things. So the committee considers it an improvement. < 1397406288 206535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it an improvement too < 1397406295 736161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because of move-return < 1397406298 63664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, threads. < 1397406298 441480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I was reading some C++ (03) code making heavy use of boost MPL the other day. Scary < 1397406303 213918 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :superset is an awesome langauge design technique! < 1397406313 191305 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you say you wanted a language that takes less than five years to learn properly and less than one coffee break to compile? Too bad. < 1397406325 537198 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this tomato is really cool, now it just needs wheels! < 1397406388 555310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, the code base at work takes about an hour to completely build, using MSVC 2005. Building for both windows and the embedded real time OS. Oh and that is using a distcc-like thing for windows called IncrediBuild. I have no idea how long it would take with a single computer < 1397406397 248810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: it's amazing how many gaps in the syntax tree you can fill that way. < 1397406401 532647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is C++ for you < 1397406413 995492 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember building gcc from svn, soon after they switched to C++ < 1397406423 801552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :took ages I bet? < 1397406424 477388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try disabling link-time optimization. that sometimes helps a lot with MSVC. < 1397406429 486170 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:230:48ff:fed6:b9ce JOIN :#esoteric < 1397406433 798633 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The svn repo is about 1GB now.) < 1397406447 341928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the real killer is generating the pdb files for debug build really... < 1397406459 475602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah, gcc is building slow again < 1397406465 906245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a time when it built quickly < 1397406467 686454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1397406480 369851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like C++ < 1397406485 553410 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in my dayyyys < 1397406491 671765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I have seen 700+ MB pdb files for the final applications. We link everything statically (since anything else is a MASSIVE pain on the RTOS target), so that doesn't help. < 1397406506 858138 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the commands I used to build gcc were "./configure && make; make; make; make; make install".) < 1397406508 69634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: no no, back in my days gcc built slow, because computers were too slow < 1397406517 293896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the linker takes a LONG time for that < 1397406526 301293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, it is not so bad in release builds though < 1397406532 389889 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in someone's dayyyys < 1397406534 897507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: generating pdb files you say? hmm < 1397406541 24394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's daily C syntax corner case time! http://sprunge.us/ccKL < 1397406544 405597 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397406567 666693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hehehe < 1397406578 454077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in those days e-mailing somebody the X11R5 sources was considered a DoS attack. < 1397406578 788979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, can take up to 5 minutes to link debug builds sometimes, and some investigation showed most of that was spent writing the 700+ MB pdb file < 1397406601 706232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, the application is more like 30 MB in debug (and iirc like 12 or so in release) < 1397406602 38787 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Smartboxes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39307&oldid=39306 5* 03Zerk 5* (+476) 10/* Implicit evaluation */ < 1397406610 309121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a funny C++ code that used to build in old gccs then not build in later ones, and I actually understood why it is invalid code according to C++, but then some later gcc decided to accept it again < 1397406643 594111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's daily C syntax corner case time! http://sprunge.us/ccKL <-- what is ptype? < 1397406644 392374 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ still hasnt incorporated awk or sed or sh < 1397406650 46191 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is still room for improvement < 1397406656 603641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: no, but they're getting close to that < 1397406686 264890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also why does it do what it did there? < 1397406700 298327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "-" sign is the unary - operator, not part of the integer literal. < 1397406721 240320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 2147483648 is larger than INT_MAX, so is of type long.) < 1397406722 216726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, also that is not due to the disk btw, we all use high end intel SSDs in our computers < 1397406745 779746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ahhh < 1397406748 248756 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are you also using enough RAM? < 1397406765 5019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, 12 GB in some machines, 16 in others. 64-bit windows 7 < 1397406770 732678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "-" sign in floating point literals is part of the literal syntax, but it probably doesn't matter there.) < 1397406775 681233 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :700 MB of RAM < 1397406778 272821 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for() { next unless(m/stuff/; ... } < 1397406783 916264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I see < 1397406805 841363 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397406810 954060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, we are going to switch to linux in the future though for the next version of the embedded platform, porting is currently in the works. I guess we will have to support the old one for quite some time to come though < 1397406813 865884 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, float range is sign-symmetric but int range is not < 1397406814 73531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's that C++ thingy that I think shouldn't compile, but gcc now accepts it again: http://dpaste.com/1778559/ < 1397406818 197304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397406818 407769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eh I don't bother too much < 1397406821 206245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel might apprecate it < 1397406848 124892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it does matter a bit for floats too, because of preprocessor shenenigans with ## stuff < 1397406857 58589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much though < 1397406861 470925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, what is wrong with that? < 1397406875 716909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh wait, that's the version that should compile < 1397406888 248534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: change the ::d to d to have the version that is questionable < 1397406889 502333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I probably couldn't tell them apart < 1397406910 634538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: also probably for user-defined literals < 1397406921 225284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, okay, why is that questionable, I don't see multiple d symbols in there < 1397406929 341403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the questionable version: http://dpaste.com/1778560/ < 1397406966 73846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, as far as I can see, there is only one class d in there? < 1397406970 392215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the trick is that in that context d can refer to the concrete type d, or the type template d < 1397406978 709881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397406982 710716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ::d unambiguously refers to the template < 1397407002 39171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck template-template arguments :P < 1397407011 696729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language usually disambiguates between the two because if you use the template a less than sign follows < 1397407016 496713 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF90FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397407016 699281 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF90FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397407016 699357 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397407020 91267 :MoALTz!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397407023 910979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you need this crazy code to confuse the grammar < 1397407025 478986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, yes and template-template breaks that < 1397407044 892842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ grammar is terrible < 1397407086 692977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one thing I like about python. A mostly sensibly grammar that is sensibly parseable < 1397407094 877512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, is it "parseable" or "parsable"? < 1397407120 667371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sensibly/sensible/ < 1397407170 691843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is it now? do you know the scoping rules for python, like what creates a new variable in a scope as opposed to referring to an existing one? < 1397407182 428768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, according to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parsable < 1397407209 304211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, okay that bit is a meh, but at least there is no ambiguity at the actual parsing stage. Afaik the grammar is LL(1) < 1397407232 54917 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oh nice, I can mix and match after my mood ;) < 1397407300 345440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have another crazy example about gcc, but that's more dependent on which generation of the C++ standard you look at < 1397407305 838447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find it < 1397407378 961854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59704 < 1397407380 78215 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely unrelated, I just looked at my car expenses spreadsheet, specifically the fuel page. Man, it is expensive having a car. At least if you live in Europe. < 1397407410 241329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it sure is < 1397407415 549504 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spent around 1225 USD on fuel alone since buying the car last summer. < 1397407424 502622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(~8000 SEK) < 1397407490 177948 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a new chromium bug I think... Sometimes when I scroll the page goes blank. If I scroll a bit further it goes back to working again < 1397407501 570746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :First showed up a couple of days ago... < 1397407559 715812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, ouch < 1397407564 713943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: evil gcc. < 1397407576 530397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, also evil language and evil code < 1397407590 339891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, all of those < 1397407591 326366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, what does = delete mean? I haven't used C++11 < 1397407595 580122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much at least < 1397407633 441593 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to tell 2008 Vorpal about 2014 Vorpal having a car. < 1397407655 587705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest46968, why is that? Did I say something about cars back then? < 1397407665 473200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that means the function doesn't exist and will never be defined. it's most often used for copy constructors of non-copiable classes. < 1397407667 442105 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. I think you hated them but maybe I'm mixing you up. < 1397407672 570422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it comes useful to produce a clear example < 1397407690 205625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not necessary for exhibiting this bug, just makes it simpler to show < 1397407703 363718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest46968, err think you are mixing me up. They are terrible for the environment, and I avoid driving when I don't have to. But I probably didn't go further than that < 1397407756 414385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, ah yes, the old C++03 way of declaring but not defining such a function would produce a linker error instead < 1397407770 864901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or making it private (if in a class, unlike here) < 1397407791 296912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can demonstrate this bug without delete, but then you'd have to check what function gcc actually chooses to call, instead of getting a straight error message < 1397407831 866287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, or just define one of them and try to link it, resulting in a linker error as I said < 1397407870 632721 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could mix varargs with overloading btw < 1397407878 785294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it could be terribly confusing < 1397407960 107232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, recommendation(s) for domain name reseller? < 1397407963 129006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the context is this. gcc has a language extension called __builtin_constant_p to determine whether an expression is compile-time constant. this is useful in macros that try to do magical optimized stuff. < 1397407975 919090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, ah < 1397407988 542154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: now Jens Gustedt noticed that this is possible to write in standtard C11, without an extesions, < 1397407992 190582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://gustedt.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/testing-compile-time-constness-and-null-pointers-with-c11s-_generic/ < 1397408009 242109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he wrote "I am not aware of a C++ feature that provides the same possibilities" < 1397408026 312932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wanted to implement the same thing in C++, and I do have a solution which seems to work, < 1397408044 391024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is, it's completely fragile and seems to depend on what gcc can optmize to a constant, < 1397408057 508276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just what the language specs considers compile-time constant, < 1397408062 326788 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397408063 361644 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397408065 906064 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do bullshitters always put their bs "information" in a video instead of something nice and readable? < 1397408066 96654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could easily break in a future gcc. < 1397408070 670190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bug is about that. < 1397408073 895001 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the meanwhile, < 1397408080 435356 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bill this person is talking about was in 2010 and doesn't even mention 2014 < 1397408081 378070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, so what does _Generic do? < 1397408090 343725 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I cant just google < 1397408109 932019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++1y wants to change the rule about what can be casts to a null pointer, so it would break my solution completely. < 1397408123 319911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1397408146 120402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a C11 thingy for choosing different expressions depending on the type of an expression. < 1397408148 343378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to look into what C11 brought to the table at some point btw < 1397408149 250765 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: charisma? hard to express that in text (unless you use comic sans ;-) ) < 1397408159 321233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397408168 77700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ doesn't have it, because it has function overloading instead. < 1397408171 772645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, doesn't comic sans express the lack thereof < 1397408187 412433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the most useful thing it's brought is well-defined semantics for multithread stuff, < 1397408187 938332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. but so could a video. < 1397408192 373101 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Write Down This Date: < 1397408192 568085 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :July 1st, 2014" < 1397408202 466732 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we write it down so we can give people like this the middle finger? < 1397408202 849733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: with basically the same model as C++11, < 1397408204 788587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, so a C header using it couldn't be included in a C++ program? Okay < 1397408235 891324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :July 1st 2014. A perfectly ordinary day somewhat past the middle of 2014. < 1397408236 976738 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe this person is schizophrenic, rather than a scammer? < 1397408241 353970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not normally, but such a C header could do an #ifdef to work in both cases, and some headers in gcc or libc will do that < 1397408249 662170 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: supposedly the US is going to collapse due to some law < 1397408255 918490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :again. < 1397408288 865736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, hm < 1397408297 133459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a template here, I feel. Of using a video. They don't sound like a crazy. My vote is scammer. < 1397408324 58541 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.endofamerica.com/ < 1397408334 721604 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video is so lengthy, still hasn't gotten to the point yet < 1397408478 311683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't this person just GET TO THE POINT already < 1397408486 271539 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does doing this increase fear or something? < 1397408491 783695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why are you watching it then? < 1397408515 563036 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see what this scam is about < 1397408607 834788 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's fear-mongering about debt spending? WIth no relation to "On this date, U.S. House of Representatives Bill "H.R. 2847" goes into effect. It will usher in the true collapse of the U.S. dollar, and will make millions of Americans poorer, overnight. You now have just several months to prepare..." on the website < 1397408833 685340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/HR-2847-Dollar-Collapse.htm < 1397408860 481445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried reading the bill itself but I have no idea what it says. < 1397408904 869795 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say 2014, but maybe I missed something that's equivalent < 1397408954 807646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are relative effective dates in there, e.g. "The amendments made by this section shall apply to obligations issued after the date which is 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act." < 1397408964 346189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have my only .org from register4less, but they're not cheap; I've just been staying there because of inertia. < 1397409002 337535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (For .fi domains, I recommend the Finnish Communications Regulatory Authority.) < 1397409038 601475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: misleading name? < 1397409059 770402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's possible they were relatively cheap at that time. < 1397409077 461207 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our countries's unique ability to print more money" < 1397409093 932228 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's saying that we're the only one able to print US money, which is popular < 1397409157 988906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10MB of web space. A part of the R4L difference that we have offered our clients from the first day is free web space with your domain. With every R4L registration, you can host a web site up to 10MB in size, banner-free!" < 1397409173 410961 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397409175 753782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling 10 megabytes might not be anything to write home about, these days. < 1397409210 973461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not even be enough space to fit t he ltter home, in fact < 1397409257 237326 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ltter < 1397409474 159114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's still quite a lot of space if you're just storing text, though < 1397409511 501361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is, yes, but it does sound sort of "outdated". < 1397409871 231868 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sfeer theory shows the connection between comonads and natural deduction http://sfeertheory.littlefoolery.com/index.html < 1397409955 321116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1397409965 471521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397410071 148430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397410074 254361 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397410220 475336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1397410256 959258 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION submits a CFJ: can "ais523" and "callforjudgement" refer to the same entities? < 1397410278 319499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with tilaa how many IPv4 do you get? < 1397410311 283833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can't find that on their site < 1397410338 670632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: One. < 1397410349 72294 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397410357 491209 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397410370 952189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's (sort of) there in the knowledge base, just not very prominently: https://support.tilaa.com/entries/20917782-Can-I-get-additional-IPv4-addresses- < 1397410401 300327 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397410437 193781 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397410441 851191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1397410468 211593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39308&oldid=39305 5* 03Zerk 5* (+281) 10Reverted to using _var assignments, moved $ to #sugar where it belongs. < 1397410471 483246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (They also assign only a single IPv6 address, not a /64 block or something, and you need to request more via their dashboard thing. But I think those are free.) < 1397410486 627344 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how is support btw? < 1397410497 625623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do they have an IRC channel? < 1397410546 178013 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1397410573 41896 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397410719 539197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think I've had any reason to contact them. I tried to check my email archive, but "tilaa" is the Finnish word both for "space" (as in, "the space between the walls", not stars-and-galaxies space) and "order" (as in, "order now while supplies last"), so I get a whole lot of emails in Finnish. < 1397410725 149634 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397410788 313837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397410789 875152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tilaa.com" seems to have been a better search term, but there's just email notices of downtime or planned maintenance; I've never had an occasion to contact their support. < 1397410803 504100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they have an IRC channel, though I could be wrong about that. < 1397410839 920131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a Twitter account. :p < 1397410877 623503 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397411030 312909 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397411149 317144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397411191 440696 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397411194 493207 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397411427 929241 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1397411434 475967 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397411752 79361 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1397411761 320100 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397412001 383779 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.regehr.org/archives/767 lol < 1397412012 326491 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1397412054 113501 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397412115 692152 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397412346 446679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1397412563 119870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I like that winner #2 end result very much. < 1397412603 167543 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's pretty @_@ < 1397412745 707683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I was under the impression that the fact realloc can return some completely different pointer and invalidate the old one was pretty common knowledge. < 1397412771 700346 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A C compiler should not assume these things left and right, though. < 1397412803 620797 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately for you, a C compiler is permitted to assume UB never happens. < 1397412808 41196 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, what happens when you use -nostdlib. (Sometimes, the compiler blindly continues using its assumptions) < 1397412808 240617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I also, thought so < 1397412842 994015 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ffreestanding is the one to make it do a freestanding C implementation. < 1397412845 329021 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bug in gcc 4.8 where gcc would compile an implementation of memset into a call to memset < 1397412847 12150 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, i didn't know, not that i'm a C programmer, and i don't see it in man < 1397412865 9367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like that, standard library assumptions, so, I defined that Black-C has a different way to specify standard library assumptions. < 1397412871 330434 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nostdlib says "don't implicitly add -lc to the link line" and that's all. < 1397412892 111768 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not what i'd infer from "changes the size of the memory block pointed to by ptr", certainly < 1397412894 713774 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I meant -ffreestanding might not turn off those assumptions. < 1397412896 418975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It is only implied very vaguely in my realloc man page. "If the area pointed to was moved, a free(ptr) is done." < 1397412911 865106 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *that* is a compiler bug. :) < 1397412920 703250 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The man page isn't normative though. < 1397412933 913138 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not normative, but more people are going to read it than ANSI! < 1397412961 777256 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The realloc function deallocates the old object pointed to by ptr and returns a pointer to a new object that has the size specified by size. The contents of the new object shall be the same as that of the old object prior to deallocation, up to the lesser of the new and old sizes." < 1397412965 321151 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is there some way to see what version of a given man page i have < 1397412990 760210 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that the standard? < 1397412996 122665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the standard, yes. < 1397413015 221651 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a totally different function from the one in my manual < 1397413015 425628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also mentions, in the return value section, that it "returns a pointer to the new object (which may have the same value as a pointer to the old object)". < 1397413029 282864 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is 7.20.3.4 from the WG14/N1256 draft. < 1397413039 710645 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(closest I, a cheapskate, have to the actual spec) < 1397413056 216267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C89 wording is essentially very close to Bike's (and mine) man pages. < 1397413058 619668 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean obviously it makes sense that it's going to have to get a new block sometimes, but i didn't know that from the manual, is all < 1397413069 816932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The realloc function changes the size of the object pointed to by ptr to the size specified by size . The contents of the object shall be unchanged up to the lesser of the new and old sizes." < 1397413093 174216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would have it, the realloc function can be declared with ["implements"("realloc",ptr,len)] ["invalidate"(ptr)] before the function header, to indicate to the optimizer, such features. (Actually the first implies the second, but this is in case the compiler doesn't implement "implements".) < 1397413114 823238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the only bit that hints at the possibility of a move is the "returns" section: "The realloc function returns either a null pointer or a pointer to the possibly moved allocated space." < 1397413121 830546 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, are we taking about realloc? < 1397413127 459991 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's actually the same as my man page, except it uses "will" instead of "shall" < 1397413135 12864 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: yes, see my link above, there's an amusing UB < 1397413139 201200 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing result of UB, rather < 1397413146 193250 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading C11's definition of realloc, and AFAICT, if you give it a zero size and an existing pointer < 1397413161 117398 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's allowed to return a non-NULL pointer that you aren't allowed to dereference < 1397413169 992532 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does "implements" tell the compiler to use optimizations hardcoded for "realloc"? < 1397413170 429246 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that can be deallocated < 1397413174 872802 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that matches malloc's behavior. < 1397413179 880285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1397413190 368480 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring. i like "invalidate" though. < 1397413191 860511 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc(0) can return NULL or a unique pointer that it is UB to dereference. < 1397413201 753152 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the sort of thing rust probably has < 1397413225 767596 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the same in C99 and C90. < 1397413226 909857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It can be safely passed to free, however. < 1397413237 783878 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the same is true of NULL. < 1397413246 765688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, what make sense to me is that realloc with an existing pointer and zero size, ought to free the pointer and then return whatever malloc(0) is, which can be safely freed whether or not the result is null. < 1397413246 969902 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, but realloc-as-0 is documented to be the same as free in the man pages < 1397413252 91611 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's quite useful for it to behave like that < 1397413264 96765 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Yes, it is quite useful. < 1397413269 732213 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as such, I've been making realloc wrappers I write do a free instead if given zero size < 1397413302 133240 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Conceptually that's what it *does*. < 1397413333 901100 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except a hypothetical evil implementation could have realloc make the opposite choice from malloc. :( < 1397413365 374824 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amusing that if (!(p = malloc(sz))) die(); is incorrect < 1397413366 636419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't care as long as whatever it returns can be safely freed once, and that whatever it returns can also be passed to realloc. < 1397413389 726340 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest46968: for sz = 0 you mean? < 1397413392 307629 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397413396 97116 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, the C standard does require that to work no matter which implementation choice is made. < 1397413400 123237 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's unspecified, isn't it, not impl-defined? < 1397413404 24702 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could change randomly during a program < 1397413418 793117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, which is how it should be, so it is OK. < 1397413443 100615 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to the evil libc project, anyway < 1397413456 326015 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: " If the size of the space requested is zero, the behavior is implementation- defined: either a null pointer is returned, or the behavior is as if the size were some nonzero value, except that the returned pointer shall not be used to access an object." < 1397413476 257729 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, it is impl-defined < 1397413496 433688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could argue that realloc is not allowed to return NULL, since it must "return a pointer to a new object that has the size specified by /size/" and can return NULL only if "the new object could not be allocated". And you can't say that it can return NULL under the "could not be allocated" rule, because "if memory for the new object cannot be allocated, the old object is not deallocated and ... < 1397413501 89867 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is it legal to pass a negative size to malloc? < 1397413502 457775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... its value is unchanged". < 1397413512 694156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: It's a size_t, it has no negative values. < 1397413515 246473 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, yeah < 1397413522 467385 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just notice that, but you got there first < 1397413534 831560 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused by valgrind telling me that I'd passed -8 to malloc recently < 1397413545 682525 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was very helpful that it did that, that bug would have taken longer to find otherwise) < 1397413556 812530 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it assumes very large size_ts are actually negative < 1397413586 231395 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it told you that you'd passed 0xfffffffffffffff8 < 1397413594 246238 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that'd be useful too < 1397413610 77459 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's essentially impossible to meet some of C's requirements while allowing objects with a size that don't fit in ssize_t. < 1397413616 267970 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Valgrind docs imply to me that they care a lot about making the output understandable to end users, which implies to me that many end users tend to be confused by it < 1397413629 313118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are passing a size with the high bit set then probably it is wrong anyways since it likely take up too much of the program's RAM. < 1397413642 945623 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that sufficiently large objects (larger than SSIZE_T_MAX) are utterly illegal in practice. :) < 1397413649 600947 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you're reminding me of a thread on comp.lang.c about whether you could have a conforming implementation that could allocate objects larger than SIZE_MAX bytes using calloc < 1397413665 8298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was someone on another channel doing fd = open(...); if (fd < 0) die_noisily(); printf("fd = %d", fd); with an accidentally unsigned fd, and was very confused by "it prints fd = -1 but it doesn't die_noisily whaaat". (A case of not enough compiler warning flags, of course.) < 1397413680 297613 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is metaphysics. < 1397413684 247653 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that one outcome on the thread is that a lot of libc devs realised that their libcs were buggy when given such arguments, at least < 1397413685 74848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I suppose that might be possible. < 1397413696 675999 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: "Essentially" for the sake of skipping out on such a debate. :) < 1397413734 318863 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this reminds me, I've been planning to change all the integers in NetHack, apart from bitfields, to signed (making them wider if necessary) < 1397413741 34469 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you think of anything that might end up breaking as a result? < 1397413756 524845 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prot ring hacks < 1397413780 762237 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you mean things that aren't exploits < 1397413783 357962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Hah, realloc of size 0 is the very first defect report of C11: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/dr_400.htm < 1397413789 519587 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: weird decision < 1397413798 103599 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it's OK if code could theoretically break from the change, so long as it's not used in NetHack < 1397413822 632217 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest46968: I want to autogenerate structure descriptions, rather than relying on a bunch of code implemented by hand that has to be manually synchronized across up to six different files < 1397413828 556159 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically generating unsigned ints is just asking for pain < 1397413835 786882 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making them all signed is a saner option < 1397413959 159770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these structure descriptions? < 1397413962 408298 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so they're officially making size-0 realloc an error < 1397413965 589628 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity :-( < 1397413980 400658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, sometimes you might want unsigned numbers < 1397413987 454701 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I only started work on them a couple of days ago, it's not really finished < 1397413995 179155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I sometimes use malloc(0) and realloc with size zero, too, though. < 1397413998 129947 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you define numerical types by giving a range < 1397414008 404284 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you write [0, 100] and that probably becomes int8_t < 1397414035 792999 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0, 255] would become int16_t unless you explicitly say that unsigned types are allowed, in which case it might become uint8_t or a bitfield unsigned : 8 < 1397414040 41041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX actually does contain macros which are there in case the compiler won't generate unsigned types. < 1397414071 310334 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, I assume that you shouldn't be having overflow happen at all < 1397414086 662043 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a bignum type for everything. < 1397414135 839035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These macros are in section 112) < 1397414141 826930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: The mixed-sign integer comparison rules (or, rather, the usual arithmetic conversions in that context) are kind of unintuitive occasionally, at least. (Both get integer promotions first; then if the unsigned type has larger rank, the signed is converted to unsigned and unsigned comparison takes place; alternatively if the signed type can represent all values of the unsigned type, the ... < 1397414145 746489 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twould be nice, but that's not easy to retrofit onto a 27-year-old C codebase < 1397414147 871360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... unsigned operand is converted to signed and the comparison is signed; alternatively both are converted to the unsigned type corresponding to the operand with the signed type.) < 1397414162 781483 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397414173 235106 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: easier if you use C++ to define the bignum type < 1397414176 468850 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't remember that rule 100%, but do know how it works approximately < 1397414176 672107 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get operator overloading < 1397414184 276532 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: NetHack doesn't compile as C++ < 1397414202 913878 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an easier problem to solve than replacing all arithmetic operators < 1397414204 52898 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Guest46968: < 1397414218 724116 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, neither problem is particularly easy to solve < 1397414223 818516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (-1L < 1ULL) for example is false, which you maybe might not expect. < 1397414224 706971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Section 110 contains the description of this feature; "Some Pascal compilers ... insist on allocating space for an additional sign bit; on such systems you can get 256 values into a quarterword only if the subrange is `-128 .. 127'." < 1397414252 970811 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I expected that, fwiw < 1397414258 731968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While (1-LL < 1U) is true. < 1397414266 418925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, -1LL, not 1-LL. < 1397414275 896403 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about 16-bit systems? wouldn't a quarterword be 4 bits? < 1397414288 662806 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, TeX is written in Pascal? < 1397414302 853446 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397414313 982317 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in pascal but translated to C with a program solely designed to translate TeX to C to compile it < 1397414319 453522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX is written in WEB, which is a preprocessor for Pascal. < 1397414336 572320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "word" in TeX has to be 32-bits even in 16-bit systems though. < 1397414373 534159 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, tex is written in a preprocessor for pascal which is translated into c to be compiled? < 1397414387 173306 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397414403 640719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be compiled using some Pascal compilers too, though. < 1397414404 232734 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, seriously? < 1397414407 85266 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397414418 167800 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... why? < 1397414438 149753 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397414442 428129 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like thousands of other programs of the 70s, TeX was written in pascal. < 1397414462 197240 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, blog.regehr.org talks about UB quite a bit, and is frequently a good read < 1397414472 261128 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an example where it doesn't check the return value of printf < 1397414480 54489 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then actually talks about the possible behaviour of the program < 1397414488 955430 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is, btw, the #1 most common bug in hello world programs) < 1397414507 418297 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/true --help > /dev/full < 1397414508 13189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: No space left on device < 1397414515 962835 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /bin/true --help > /dev/full; echo $? < 1397414516 695484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/true: write error: No space left on device \ 1 < 1397414538 296415 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, /checking/ the return value can also lead to absurdities < 1397414538 882541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And -1L < 1U is false on systems where long is the same size as int, but true on systems where long is longer. < 1397414562 41510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The preprocessor does various things, such as convert hex and octal numbers into decimal, implement macros, convert all names into uppercase and remove all underscores, as well as rearrange and transclude "chunks", generate a string pool, and generate an index and various cross-references, pretty-print the code, etc. < 1397414563 325973 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder if any program uses that to compare the size of int to the size of long < 1397414564 845512 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a long long in my pants! < 1397414566 615315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1397414592 196380 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: now I wonder if Knuth uses a preprocessor to write INTERCAL < 1397414596 748560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the first kind of systems, long can represent all values of unsigned int so 1U is converted to long; on the second it can't, so both are converted to unsigned long.) < 1397414598 932809 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that converts variable names to numbers, for instance < 1397414609 275250 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'long long long n;' > /tmp/a.c && gcc /tmp/a.c < 1397414609 944538 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c:1:11: error: ‘long long long’ is too long for GCC < 1397414627 967283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1397414635 619213 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses three-letter variable names that are converted into variable numbers using the five-bit Baudot encoding < 1397414659 653277 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm upset that gcc doesn't still have a pragma to run NetHack < 1397414662 750856 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was documented, thus legal) < 1397414679 747167 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it used to interpret all pragmas like that, as a protest against bugs in the definition of #pragma < 1397414681 191692 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1397414682 515314 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it did, at one point < 1397414702 89334 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the bugs were fixed, and it now implements a few pragmas of itso wn < 1397414702 819685 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1397414703 562418 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*own < 1397414709 70010 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't implement /all/ of them like that < 1397414715 307859 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus it doesn't implement any like that < 1397414736 400398 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.regehr.org/archives/140 haha, beaut < 1397414771 474060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing WEB does is read a "change file" which makes changes to the program before it is compiled. This is implemented so that you can make the changes needed for whatever system you are compiling on. < 1397414817 952833 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... patches? < 1397414836 431635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1397414863 421306 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i understand how this termination analysis works... < 1397414865 668070 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: incidentally, gcc now has an option that, among other things, tells you about functions it wanted to perform optimizations on (normally moving calls to them elsewhere), but couldn't because it isn't sure that they terminate < 1397414866 313869 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "change file" < 1397414884 339509 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it suspects that they probably do) < 1397414958 166830 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an annotation or something to say that they terminate? < 1397414962 953922 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, CLC-INTERCAL actually optimizes detected infinite loops into infinite sleeps < 1397414977 867954 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's __attribute__((pure)), which implies termination among other things < 1397414997 515898 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the function is total but impure, then gcc couldn't do the optimizations in question anyway, so there's no real gain < 1397414997 926358 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely always terminating mutagenic functions aren't uncommon < 1397415002 984896 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1397415082 133755 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I remember having run into something like this. I wanted to produce a stack overflow, void f() { f(); } ... and the call got optimized away by icc. < 1397415091 258123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does the analysis work by figuring that once it's run through all 1000³ tuples it can stop < 1397415096 87369 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, according to http://blog.regehr.org/archives/161, in C++0x, infinite lops are UB < 1397415127 792526 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i should just try it < 1397415138 117741 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they access library functions that do I/O, do synchronization with other threads, or change volatile variables < 1397415153 997237 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, yeah, there's a delay. < 1397415172 594979 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a delay that is appreciably burning my CPU, even < 1397415201 619860 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it doesn't say what gcc does, though. < 1397415209 51856 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think it works correctly in gcc < 1397415227 203019 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that a) it doesn't mention gcc, and b) gcc explicitly checks for termination when optimizing out code < 1397415230 455645 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i'm willing to install icc for this < 1397415274 316674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Anyhow, if you're dealing mostly with narrower-than-int unsigned types (like I'd assume, given NetHack), those probably have been converted to int by integer promotions in most of their uses in arithmetics/comparisons before now, already. < 1397415300 869113 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: NetHack uses types more or less at random, AFAICT < 1397415309 639186 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there have been guiding principles in the past, but they've changed over time < 1397415319 36550 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain unsigned is entirely visible on occasion < 1397415334 278411 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the main problem is when they've tried to do overflow checks, and those checks don't work < 1397415343 828504 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nethack" and "random" in the same sentence brings odd memories to mind < 1397415352 811262 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397415364 492224 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well NetHack is a very random gmae < 1397415366 63975 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*game < 1397415370 717388 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its implementation's also pretty random < 1397415373 795207 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack <3 < 1397415434 647768 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: was thinking of rnz < 1397415455 457834 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "These C compilers known to not preserve termination properties of code: Sun CC 5.10, Intel CC 11.1, LLVM 2.7, Open64 4.2.3, and Microsoft Visual C 2008 and 2010. The LLVM developers consider this behavior a bug and have since fixed it. As far as I know, the other compiler vendors have no plans to change the behavior. < 1397415456 881159 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These C compilers, as far as I know, do not change the termination behavior of their inputs: GCC 3.x, GCC 4.x, and the WindRiver Diab compiler." < 1397415480 957077 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a pretty strong claim, i wonder how you'd prove it < 1397415486 693446 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: in case you didn't know, I'm the lead maintainer of the fan project to restart NetHack development < 1397415496 743740 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: :O < 1397415497 541395 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the main aim of 4.3 is cleaning up the code < 1397415501 538873 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This observation is not untrue, but it’s a little like explaining that World War II happened because people couldn’t all just get along." not bad < 1397415508 850509 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: oh, you're ais, aren't you < 1397415514 591523 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to play nethack with like 2 dozens of patches applied < 1397415519 489564 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :names are hard < 1397415525 498496 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bit UI modifying by myself < 1397415526 930220 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fan project" < 1397415527 469921 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1397415529 212274 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1397415568 565365 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnz is so amusing, it seems like a in-the-wild semiexample of the kind of prng knuth talks about < 1397415576 819170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I set my client to cycle nicks on connection failure, because I use unreliable connections often enough that it helps keep them refreshed < 1397415597 554898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well it doesn't suffer from patterns in the output, just from an utterly nonsensical distribution < 1397415605 14917 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's semi-, yeah < 1397415644 138379 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was running a stats class i'd compare rnz to cauchy to explain different kinds of "nonsensical" < 1397415664 526001 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i assume that this will take years < 1397415668 237101 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rnz, if i'm not mistaken, has defined moments) < 1397415704 640193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yeah, but we've been working on it for years < 1397415717 898590 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you just proved me right < 1397415733 436751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fewer than 50% of the lines in NetHack 4 come from NetHack 3.4.3 or earlier, even when you ignore whitespace changes < 1397415749 847472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't ignore whitespace changes, it's close to 0% because we reindented the entire source tree) < 1397415754 809847 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i wish i was good enough with cass to give symbolic definitions of all of rnz's moments. < 1397415766 624097 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone actually calculated the higher moments of rnz < 1397415784 467072 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the reason behind that? < 1397415808 301137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: for reindenting it? because it was entirely inconsistent before < 1397415821 498462 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for the project itself < 1397415824 956181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I standardised it on what seemed to be the most common indentation scheme within the existing code < 1397415826 317894 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: seems unlikely, given that the wikis mostly analyze a continuous distribution slightly different from rnz < 1397415834 537820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, for the project, it's because there have been no public updates in over 10 years < 1397415847 110839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is far too long to leave NetHack stagnant < 1397415853 427424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the devteam won't update it, we will < 1397415887 845079 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually don't recall how to do moments of a discrete distribution, hopefully you just replace the integral with a sum < 1397415900 596804 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime in the past 10 years, crawl happened to nethack < 1397415937 527352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write roguelike game using SQL. < 1397415947 421125 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow wikipedia's article on moments is not very formal < 1397415956 244381 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: go for it < 1397415962 678381 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to write a roguelike in rust < 1397415980 811864 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should see if i know enough real analysis to figure this out, after i do my nine hours of homework < 1397415981 956792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: OK do you know how to do? < 1397415995 144090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well, there are enough people who think that NetHack is better (including me) that there's still a healthy NetHack community < 1397416004 185229 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you are there for that creative stuff < 1397416061 848935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really fatal at all; competition can be helpful < 1397416064 304392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: fwiw, structdesc has three types of borrowed pointers, two types of owned pointers, and two which can be owned /or/ borrowed depending on context; I'm considering adding reference counting too < 1397416078 483967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because it's meant to describe the behaviour of existing C programs < 1397416086 235998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not entirely written in SQL; part of it written in C, such as the display and input manager, and some of the functions and virtual table modules, and some other performance related things, and a few other things) < 1397416092 653026 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer crawl, though that may be due to the fact that I have not finished it yet. < 1397416092 849783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only disallow the behaviour if it's completely nonsensical < 1397416141 995581 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much money I'm spending on ignoring things like sales and atm fees and coupons on receipts < 1397416143 759496 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 1st through 3rd elements indicate cases where the I/O subsystem truncated the string. " shit, printf can do this? < 1397416180 671385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I would think there are cases where no other way is possible, but to truncate the string. < 1397416201 417800 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i would prefer a sane port of nethack for android < 1397416201 610670 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you have a libc where printf never prints anything and always returns zero if there's no error < 1397416214 141175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I've had thoughts along those lines too < 1397416222 544893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not owning a tablet myself, it'd be hard to get the ergonomics right < 1397416229 18494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, you can add more items and stuff into the game, by adding more records into the table and adding triggers, and possibly more tables if needed; even such things can be changed during the game if these tables are copied into the save file!! < 1397416237 869545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main difficulty is a control scheme < 1397416253 183497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering about what a mouse-based scheme would look like, that'd be closer to tablet controls than keyboard < 1397416255 310099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still not idential < 1397416255 502113 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully term on android works better than snes on android < 1397416256 106314 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, there are (fairly limited) RL which work pretty well < 1397416269 583451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can still implement keyboard scheme; however, then you need also a scheme that work if you have a non-keyboard device. < 1397416288 491993 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stuff like clicking on a location and a menu would be a big improvement < 1397416306 440011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think touch screen interfaces are just terrible in general, though. < 1397416306 631131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that most smartphones and tablets on which people want to play NetHack don't have physical keyboards, and that I could use a soft keyboard if I wanted to but that it would take up a large amount of screen space < 1397416321 616860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus other alternativels are likely to be better < 1397416337 174904 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen space is not THAT big of a problem < 1397416355 410843 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more that keys are pretty small and you could move a lot out of that < 1397416368 393938 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like moving, picking up, opening/kicking doors, ... < 1397416371 145364 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do it well, you may need to change some parts of the game to be more like powder. < 1397416384 166532 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's powder? < 1397416388 759775 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowwwww that C++ behavior < 1397416402 178136 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powder is a dungeon crawler written for consoles. < 1397416425 731390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really believe keyboard interface are much better than touchscreens and so on. < 1397416440 334011 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have seen it on nds < 1397416440 524672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haskell fails to distinguish between the error and non-terminating cases: this can be seen as trading diagnostic power for speed" :') < 1397416441 178320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: POWDER started out as a project by Jeff Lait (famous both for POWDER and for many 7DRLs) to port NetHack to the DS by rewriting it from scratch, but after starting he decided to make a different game instead that was merely similar to NetHack, rather than identical < 1397416450 467419 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :D < 1397416460 384539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's diverged more from that to become a roguelike of its own < 1397416463 594252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, GBA, not DS < 1397416465 214910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1397416469 362710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it got ported to a bunch of other systems < 1397416473 950468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was some Nintendo portable, anyway < 1397416486 829471 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even more than that i'd LOVE to have something dwarf fortress like for android < 1397416488 418284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So, the Famicom version of Attribute Zone, is supporting input from the keyboard in all cases! You can use the standard controller but only for playing ROM levels and the other features are not supported unless you use a keyboard) < 1397416527 386858 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress is already unplayable on a PC, and uses too much power < 1397416532 161816 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, do you guys know cataclysm? < 1397416538 429514 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suspect some of that is due to bad programming < 1397416538 620284 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah, i play it via ssh :D < 1397416550 434693 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite unsure < 1397416570 362392 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think the maths behind it are pretty well < 1397416583 453173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That http://blog.regehr.org/archives/161 is wrong when it says "int main(void) { unsigned short a = 65535; return a + 1; } -- may return 65536 or 0 -- depending on whether the particular C implementation being used has defined the size of an unsigned short to be 16 bits or to be larger than 16 bits", incidentally. It can return 0 (if both unsigned short and unsigned int are 16 bits), 65536 (if ... < 1397416589 480694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the size of int is 18 bits or larger) or "the result is implementation-defined or an implementation-defined signal is raised" (if short is 16 bits and int is 17 bits), or the behaviour is undefined (if both short and int are 17 bits). < 1397416597 164684 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I continue to hold the position that df2 is not actually a game, based on my attempt to "play" it < 1397416619 151393 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: some promotion thing? < 1397416623 79228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df2 as in a sequel to dwarf fortress, or a sequel to slaves to armok? < 1397416628 11186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, although I don't expect most computers to have 17-bits numbers < 1397416639 173009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: df2? < 1397416640 910381 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you should point that out, just to give more power to the "can't reason bout my C" thing < 1397416645 73453 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's sta2, not df2. < 1397416649 906566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1397416651 316556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is possible but many programs wouldn't work so well on such things anyways, regardless of that. < 1397416654 130875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, integer promotions. They are mentioned in comment #6 but without considering the case of small ints. < 1397416684 230298 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched a tutorial about df once < 1397416686 988573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's also mentioned in comment #16 in an almost complete form. < 1397416711 348561 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after half an hour it said "finally, we are in the game. this is, where most of the players quit, too" < 1397416732 435321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397416739 37879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's missing the implementation-defined case, but that's just additional finessing. < 1397416747 109765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397416754 166773 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm now i wish i had more time/effort, i want to prove kinetics is impossible again < 1397416783 627839 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397416838 467193 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397416880 489844 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was trying to figure out if 16-bit short, 17-int is legal; if int and unsigned int have to be the same size, it isn't < 1397416881 134143 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the one time i tried to play df we were going to do a tradeoff game but worldgen took so long that we ran out of time < 1397416892 949391 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has to be a multiple of CHAR_BIT < 1397416896 588387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397416909 188427 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't CHAR_BIT be 1 < 1397416910 630720 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: let me guess "nah, maximum time, what could go wrong" < 1397416911 645532 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, could int be 24 bits, 7 of which are padding bits (with unsigned int being 24 bits) < 1397416917 281662 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, has to be at least 8 < 1397416919 721814 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: basically < 1397416921 897496 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: sucks < 1397416932 935030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397416934 287977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bercoin thcoin norfualcoin reviejcoin datecoin cluecoin irkcoin sinrcoin anycoin hypecoin cluhiccoin undercoin l0jdcoin spacecoin develatlinecoin birthcoin dzecoin beakgefcoin leszccoin khalcoin < 1397416970 606636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good coins < 1397416974 281603 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had "cluecoin" before < 1397416975 821215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, good morning everyone < 1397416988 709706 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening kmc < 1397416995 482443 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hello, we have been discussing weird C for far too long < 1397417000 347657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime callforjudgement < 1397417001 269120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for callforjudgement is Sun Apr 13 20:23:20 2014 < 1397417003 389572 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anycoin sounds like it could be actually useful < 1397417003 581010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that I missed it :( < 1397417006 325455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird C is like weird fiction except incredibly dull < 1397417011 949304 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the conversation's still going on < 1397417012 816717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you need a silver coin, gold coin, copper coin, platinum coin, lead coin, iron coin, and radioactive coin. < 1397417023 267310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. cryptocoin compatible with every other cryptocoin) < 1397417041 738674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: Unsigned int can have padding too. < 1397417042 976683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397417043 603383 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicoin would be another nice name for that < 1397417051 968414 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh right, it's only unsigned char that can't < 1397417063 259438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsigned char, and the exact-width integer types from . < 1397417064 807633 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because unsigned char has to be able to type-pun correctly < 1397417075 514274 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah but they don't have to exist < 1397417080 217171 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 180Tantalumcoin < 1397417081 945144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1397417092 18756 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one nice thing I noted is that C11 reserves uint9_t, uint10_t, etc., as well as the least and fast variants < 1397417101 494238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote document of "text adventure intermediate language" < 1397417101 911756 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :180mTantalumcoin, rather < 1397417104 111916 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: like, i will farm a dogecoin in an hour and sell it for hundreds of dollars as a bitcoin? < 1397417105 165476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: heh < 1397417111 432240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also POSIX reserves every name ending in _t? < 1397417115 908595 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1397417121 859672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/PfHL < 1397417129 116488 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some really broad reservations, though < 1397417134 129385 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: something like that, but the exchange rate could be reasonable (whatever that means) < 1397417136 289592 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C reserves everything starting with a capital E < 1397417141 149488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can write a compiler library for its use. < 1397417142 193209 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if errno.h is included < 1397417149 410606 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i call that "usd" < 1397417163 880716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good like it is now? < 1397417168 825 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that's not a -coin < 1397417168 191928 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(splint will give warnings about that on high warning levels; that's one of its less buggy warnings) < 1397417174 836145 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usdcoin < 1397417252 26926 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better, mynamecoin < 1397417269 58486 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna be famous < 1397417305 449210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX also reserves every identifier beginning with "str", "mem" or "wcs" if is included, and every identifier beginning with "str" if is included. < 1397417328 370473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everything beginning with "to" or "is" if is included. < 1397417333 475669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if this document is better now, or if you think anything I did wrong. < 1397417337 423418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just reserve the whole thing < 1397417345 69687 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you couldn't write programs < 1397417351 899923 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1397417362 490736 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell a new esolang < 1397417362 683921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also all identifiers ending in _MIN or _MAX if is included. < 1397417363 856626 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually < 1397417373 757826 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397417376 215233 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C with no non-reserved identifiers, and all reserved identifiers are used for a legal purpose < 1397417379 14832 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be interesting < 1397417379 212128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :greedy old posix < 1397417395 63393 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about storing data in argv, but sadly it doesn't have a standard name < 1397417504 438207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use errno as an arbitrary int, I believe. < 1397417527 197423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The macros are -- errno which expands to a modifiable lvalue that has type int and thread local storage duration, --" < 1397417531 857765 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that would work < 1397417541 669204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though it's just one int.) < 1397417544 750966 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be legal to overwrite stderr < 1397417545 180110 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you create a bunch of extra threads in order to gain more storage? < 1397417551 351441 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, you get a pointer < 1397417589 617285 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, communicating between them could be a pain < 1397417591 550979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stderr" and such are not required to be lvalues. < 1397417605 301906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just "expressions of type "pointer to FILE" that point to FILE objects". < 1397417624 71625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're also macros.) < 1397417668 426965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the "file loophole", of course, if you allow for a reasonably consistent file system as seen by fopen/etc. < 1397417723 568829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure where the FILE * would go for doing more than one operation on an opened file. < 1397417790 931524 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close and open it again < 1397417806 235420 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you can't chain functions. < 1397417806 439728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't close it if you read from it. < 1397417822 705279 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fcloseall() standard? < 1397417833 414281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is. < 1397417839 854047 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1397417852 813709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway it'd be really convenient if you could, say, seek *and* read. < 1397417862 459868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GNU extension" < 1397417876 13786 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're in posix, there is optarg. < 1397417946 894559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're in POSIX, you can use open() and such, and stick the fd in... errno... except it's perhaps not the safest place when calling library functions. < 1397417965 401075 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :optind and opterr can store fds. < 1397417994 691796 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can dup2 it around to a known index. < 1397418016 781746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, there's that. < 1397418034 700869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing this in C11 is more interesting; POSIX sounds like it'd be too easy < 1397418132 241338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can always freopen("data.file", "w+", stderr); and then just use the stderr handle for storage. < 1397418209 405239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stderr's readable, right? < 1397418220 264815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can freopen it to any mode. < 1397418223 848509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that reading from stderr's one way to get at the terminal when you have a redirected stdin < 1397418235 237219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a fragile one, there are better methods if on POSIX < 1397418289 751948 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, you can store a function pointer and retrieve it using signal. < 1397418312 750070 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously, you can in fact store one per signal.) < 1397418351 158166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be handy, though you can of course store one in a file too. < 1397418389 955037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just take the address of a compound literal of a pointer-to-function type, and pass to fwrite.) < 1397418426 441931 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397418435 746091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though reading it back in any very useful way sounds slightly more tricky. < 1397418495 652355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the hello, world program is easy. < 1397418515 334912 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397418524 260054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397418534 433496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397418587 769046 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397418663 326581 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397418708 218176 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you can use asctime for up to 26 bytes of storage. < 1397418739 196540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: regarding usdcoin, see Xia, P. (2014) Dollarcoin: A cryptocurrency with proof-of-dollar. Presented at ACH SIGBOVIK 2014, Carnegie Mellon University, 1 April (pp. 75-77). http://sigbovik.org/2014/proceedings.pdf < 1397418766 941404 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397418775 107992 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there is nothing crazy enough for not being done :D < 1397418779 610373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1397418786 829033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: You can get a pointer, yes, but any call to asctime will overwrite the contents, right? < 1397418796 437771 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to imagine this is the xia of "prove newtonian mechanics impossible" fame < 1397418809 960712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: the proof of work entails writing a hash on a dollar bill, burning it, and posting the video to the block chain < 1397418829 833900 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#blazeit < 1397418889 545778 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :random question: does anyone know of a paper title better than "Can One Hear The Shape Of A Drum" < 1397418898 234248 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm loving this < 1397418917 677429 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is all sigbovik humorous? I take it from that chart in the paper that that's the poin < 1397418919 350387 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :point < 1397418966 338819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, although it does publish humorous things that are real and impressive, as well as fake things < 1397418975 267297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :notably http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tom7/mario/ < 1397418984 8606 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :playfun rox my sox < 1397419406 835090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When looking at Nock on esolang wiki it also links to the Urbit they mention, they use kelvin version numbering, where higher numbers indicate more likely to change and zero means it won't ever change at all. < 1397419452 48863 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that's clever < 1397419461 477526 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitches don't know bout my electron degeneracy pressure < 1397419512 211361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's in #oteric.es < 1397419556 247928 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am kind of curious how many people joined and parted that as you said it, kmc < 1397419579 10153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397419585 315083 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least 1) < 1397419607 180945 :password2!~password@197.76.170.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397420046 636856 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397420166 785385 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397420233 761443 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397420632 183542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am writing the C library for dealing with Text Adventure Intermediate Language, and then, maybe also the Haskell library can be written. < 1397420822 156283 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397421055 99136 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:230:48ff:fed6:b9ce QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397421095 658215 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAIL < 1397421288 649664 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that sounds interesting < 1397421320 630464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Inform (the only text adventure creation thing I know about) use Text Adventure Intermediate Language or does it use something else? < 1397421402 305412 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397421491 363736 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397421518 756424 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397421653 301543 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397422347 22077 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397422352 311564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It compile into a Z-machine code, with some differences. < 1397422372 333066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-machine is OK too, but much more complicated than the one I design. < 1397422601 217691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inform also compiles into Glulx. < 1397422607 498417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is even more complicated) < 1397423265 304802 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.159.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397423408 828721 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397423424 620779 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397423652 233951 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397423662 409486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both of them lack some features the other one has.) < 1397423662 868854 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397423691 771688 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397423774 443398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39309&oldid=39287 5* 03Zerk 5* (+11) 10/* B */ ++Boxy < 1397423805 941455 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397424040 348827 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397424046 660071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may write some text adventure games using TAIL format and some using Z-machine format. < 1397424066 178062 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397424130 496212 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Client Quit < 1397424162 301677 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397424346 619342 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397424481 218614 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397424499 940686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Jafet: Here's a rudimentary brainfuck interpreter in mostly-correct interpreter-free C, as long as you preprocess it out: http://sprunge.us/QJXJ < 1397424506 608838 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397424509 106 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397424513 567660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only program it's been tested with, so expect bugs. < 1397424545 39110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, brainfuck without input, that is. < 1397424559 940494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *identifier-free? < 1397424563 459875 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397424564 992254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1397424566 628301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinko. < 1397424590 65196 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1397424597 134569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're storing data in stdin's file pointer? clever < 1397424601 777772 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, is that meant to be TC? < 1397424614 926672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the file position is used as a variable safer than errno. < 1397424615 116991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, stderr's < 1397424616 784589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest46968: it's a BF interp < 1397424619 905475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1397424628 41450 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: typical C BF interps are not TC... < 1397424653 682662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, under the limits imposed by sizeof (int) for the tape. < 1397424654 164517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice :D < 1397424657 74143 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, identifier-free < 1397424660 451546 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what interpreter-free is. < 1397424665 470680 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, you can use fseek to get around that though < 1397424667 97210 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arguably) < 1397424670 908596 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftell is allowed to fail < 1397424679 779848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's identifier-free post-pre-processing I suppose < 1397424688 704642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. Or at least should be. < 1397424721 605372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest46968: Right, though I'd need to mungle it even more for that, since I rely on seeking the same file to other places than the tape. < 1397424734 215214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why is there a sizeof(int) limit? I thought the general argument in favour of C being TC is that file pointers are allowed to be bignums < 1397424747 673368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, ftell calls < 1397424772 522629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It keeps the tape pointer in one of those errno-read "variables", so that it can seek the stderr file between the program source and current tape cell. < 1397424838 333886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm not entirely sure the initial reading of the brainfuck program is valid, but that could be worked around pretty easily by just embedding the program. < 1397424870 224880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least relying on rewind() to not set errno. < 1397424928 740399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could just open the stdin file (which is never written to, only its position is used) a bit earlier so I can use V to store the program length over the rewind, actually. < 1397424938 220275 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ftell can fail < 1397424971 644574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest46968: I mean that fizzie's program uses ftell < 1397424973 4360 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in POSIX (EOVERFLOW) < 1397424980 595833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus is bounded by off_t limits and so not TC < 1397424995 142647 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm telling you you're wrong < 1397425000 222889 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, oh < 1397425001 756031 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1397425004 389213 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the context < 1397425008 857016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a program that didn't ftell could still be TC < 1397425062 834545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/iMEW?c I think that's better w.r.t. the initial program loading. I'm probably not going to work around that TC limitation. < 1397425093 897907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it could be done very trivially by looking at brainfuck without output, in which case stdout can be dedicated for the tape, and can grow to arbitrary size without ftell issues. < 1397425104 612204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Brainfuck without output is kind of boring, though.) < 1397425210 237464 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paradoxspace.com/ < 1397425241 588767 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.paradoxspace.com/fourohfour < 1397425248 471669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not entirely sure something like fwrite(&errno, 1, 1, stderr); is completely valid, since I guess if library functions are free to set errno whenever they want, fwrite could e.g. zero errno before reading in the bytes. < 1397425379 561905 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most functions only modify errno if there's an error < 1397425385 155212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397425408 63662 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1397425437 1110 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if they don't have to change it or if they must not change it though < 1397425452 736108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have to leave it the same, but maybe can change it during the call < 1397425465 159832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's supposed to be unobservable because errno's thread-local < 1397425474 469204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't thought of passing &errno as a buffer to write before today < 1397425684 174301 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you can't take the address of errno, e.g. because it could be a macro that expands to a function call < 1397425727 378934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote like good old time, with elbow and foot lengths of the king. man that must have sucked People would be always like "Hey king, can you drop by, I have stuff to measure" That's why they're called rulers, you know < 1397425728 696069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1184) like good old time, with elbow and foot lengths of the king. man that must have sucked People would be always like "Hey king, can you drop by, I have stuff to measure" That's why they're called rulers, you know < 1397425740 93688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's defined as an lvalue, IIRC < 1397425752 40748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it can be a macro that expands to a pointer dereference < 1397425786 50083 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is normally a macro that expands to a pointer dereference of a function call. < 1397425799 940146 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it would be a bit difficult to set errno if it's an rvalue < 1397425808 730768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is &*functioncall() legal? < 1397425808 921669 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \nerrno' | cpp | tail < 1397425809 509085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​# 1 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ # 5 "/usr/include/linux/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ # 26 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ # 47 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/errno.h" 3 4 \ extern int *__errno_location (void) __attribute__ ((__nothrow__)) __attribute__ ((__const__)); \ # 37 "/usr/include/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ # 5 < 1397425835 512272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks more like head than tail < 1397425840 604812 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every lvalue should have an address. < 1397425882 115522 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \nint main() { return errno; }\n' | cpp | tail < 1397425882 722694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​# 1 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ # 5 "/usr/include/linux/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ # 26 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ # 47 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/errno.h" 3 4 \ extern int *__errno_location (void) __attribute__ ((__nothrow__)) __attribute__ ((__const__)); \ # 37 "/usr/include/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ # 5 < 1397425891 46368 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait < 1397425895 394579 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \nint main() { return errno; }\n' | cpp | rev < 1397425895 979203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​">nidts<" 1 # \ ">enil-dnammoc<" 1 # \ ">nidts<" 1 # \ 4 3 1 "h.onrre/edulcni/rsu/" 1 # \ 4 3 "h.onrre/edulcni/rsu/" 92 # \ 4 3 1 "h.serutaef/edulcni/rsu/" 1 # \ 4 3 "h.serutaef/edulcni/rsu/" 323 # \ 4 3 1 "h.sfederp/stib/ung-xunil-46_68x/edulcni/rsu/" 1 # \ 4 3 2 "h.serutaef/edulcni/rsu/" 423 # \ 4 3 "h.serutaef/edulcni/rsu/" 653 # \ 4 3 1 "h.s < 1397425902 765506 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1397425905 790166 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \nint main() { return errno; }\n' | cpp | tac < 1397425906 478968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() { return (*__errno_location ()); } \ # 2 "" 2 \ \ # 59 "/usr/include/errno.h" 3 4 \ # 37 "/usr/include/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ extern int *__errno_location (void) __attribute__ ((__nothrow__)) __attribute__ ((__const__)); \ # 47 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/errno.h" 3 4 \ # 26 "/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/errno.h" 2 3 4 \ < 1397425945 453602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \nint main() { return errno; }\n' | cpp | grep main < 1397425946 75549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() { return (*__errno_location ()); } < 1397426152 766369 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :side note: i am kinda disappointed that there is a cat replacement called dog but no tac replacement called god < 1397426208 643153 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397426219 978827 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397426336 972088 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397426422 195200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you notify Google of the bug in their server that isn't correctly implementing headerless HTTP? < 1397426439 408689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are other bugs in their server too; sometimes a HEAD request returns 404 even though GET works properly.) < 1397426445 176247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's defined as a "modifiable lvalue" and the possibility of it being *somefunction() is explicitly mentioned. < 1397426577 462894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You are allowed to write such software if you like to make < 1397426616 70281 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that doesn't sound like any fun at all < 1397426639 356670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then don't write such program, if you don't want to write such program. < 1397426689 816936 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only advantage would be being the founder of god < 1397427129 447184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1397427401 51881 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397427451 309265 :password2!~password@197.76.170.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397428174 307139 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397428271 824200 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397428311 748699 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397430277 110840 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1397430580 226402 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397431299 154348 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397432487 645668 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39310&oldid=39308 5* 03Zerk 5* (+248) 10mostly/* Nock Interpreter */ apparently things are reversible, partially. Which I supposed was implied by "unification". < 1397432513 962345 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397432614 475868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing this library in C (for Text Adventure Intermediate Language), and then I should probably also write one for Haskell, and one for SQL, as well. If you want any other programming language then write it by yourself please < 1397432626 85703 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397432644 873718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have some idea how it could be represent by Haskell? < 1397432683 8837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a better idea than I do? < 1397432730 704655 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397432964 505333 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Text Adventure Intermediate Language is < 1397433211 348879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://sprunge.us/ULeC < 1397433292 303020 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397433553 898652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397433825 327372 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397434092 627484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39311&oldid=39309 5* 03Zerk 5* (+9) 10/* A */ added [[Ax]] < 1397434096 407351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Nock14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39312&oldid=39289 5* 03Zerk 5* (+22) 10Added [[Ax]] < 1397434103 30252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ax14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39313 5* 03Zerk 5* (+3792) 10Created page with "Ax is a [[Nock]] derivative by [https://github.com/mnemnion mnemnion] aimed for nondeterminism, a more asthetic operator order, and sane big O. =Specification= This text speci..." < 1397434132 258842 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqhrlanrgbzldjwy JOIN :#esoteric < 1397434411 849092 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome xpte < 1397434412 787617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: relcome: not found < 1397434429 409176 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH! < 1397434429 791980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397434441 495008 :Guest46968!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :ellioyy < 1397434443 17865 :ellioyy!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :elliott < 1397434445 149163 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages < 1397434445 486313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1397434447 683808 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1397434457 652770 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1397434462 690735 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1397434466 582072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Smartboxes14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39314&oldid=39297 5* 03Zerk 5* (+24) 10Increased wiki dual-linkedness, i.e. blatantly promoting my own nearly identical version. < 1397434494 739072 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there you are, you infamous scallywag! < 1397434712 800359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39315&oldid=39310 5* 03Zerk 5* (-14) 10/* Nock Interpeter */ recursion fix < 1397434955 339359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1397435080 80891 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. how are you doing by this fine evening? < 1397435101 163193 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397436426 816953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39316&oldid=39315 5* 03Zerk 5* (+101) 10Added string representation. < 1397436579 460060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adequate < 1397436715 397830 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1397437259 288317 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :satisfying. < 1397437266 557793 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CHICKEN CHAPTER 14 < 1397437269 118238 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397437478 554372 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1397438218 379150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397438967 571644 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397441114 87616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397441115 332686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lumcoin iiichcoin ostcndoncoin constinycoin graniccoin eichcoin befucoin ever2coin excelumbftancoin quyrecoin iptifcoin filecoin snorisccoin singecoin quycoin systepcoin broacoin scribildcoin uddencoin c-loncoin < 1397441129 943028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eichcoin < 1397441130 545271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1397441180 711382 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat $(which coins) < 1397441181 271429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: $(which coins): No such file or directory < 1397441203 257645 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1397441203 787480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' < 1397441670 881276 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397441747 633411 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish Kickstarter could let you donate to stretch goals and refund if stretch goal not met < 1397441759 948814 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that may be a bad idea, but that's what I want to do with this one Kickstarter < 1397441781 418986 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1554093685/erfworld-print-book-2-and-draw-book-3 < 1397442470 752829 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397444885 559370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets very confused by a file that turns out to have a space at the start of its name < 1397445409 379378 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397446448 962245 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, ls and zsh seem to be unsurprised by strange filenames < 1397446522 142943 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch $'a\nb\tc'; cat a$'\n'b$'\t'c < 1397446718 661267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397446743 870992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write message about Spanish Oteric channel in Spanish, so that Spanish people can understand. < 1397446759 760463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Otherwise, only English people will try to understand) < 1397447440 686728 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397447468 807813 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397447969 443421 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/wesnoth/comments/1cnir2/growing_wesnoth_with_bitcoin_would_this_idea_be/c9ii3c3 < 1397447981 627419 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitcoin people are starting to scare me < 1397448032 38790 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, I now have a lot of respect for the Wesnoth devs < 1397448068 406075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're only just now starting to scare you? < 1397448274 495174 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397450021 465603 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397450034 489674 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397450137 234802 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397450139 866621 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1397450164 769888 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397450869 765341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1397453433 635807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've changed my mind on Dinosaur Comics, by the way. < 1397453787 856331 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397454194 521339 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397455003 15957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39317&oldid=39316 5* 03Zerk 5* (+259) 10Fixed decrement-is-expensive logic /* Sugar */ conjunctions < 1397455666 906577 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397455769 408392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39318&oldid=39216 5* 0388.217.159.238 5* (+99) 10Add shellfuck - a Brainfuck interpreter written in shell script. < 1397456403 582500 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397456555 221953 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.161.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397457260 486369 :password2!~password@197.76.170.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397458138 216787 :MoALTz_!~no@user-188-33-230-20.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1397458943 214674 :Slereah_!~jackal@80.10.161.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397458997 325178 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397459535 304776 :Slereah_!~jackal@193.253.170.231 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397459704 299233 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397460093 697404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39319&oldid=39317 5* 03Zerk 5* (+138) 10Added section /* Unification */ < 1397460650 383616 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397460941 431819 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397461528 398303 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397461843 275032 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397461936 743401 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397462029 511227 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397462276 844296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ls in gnu coreutils has at least three quoting modes: don't quote anything, replace with question marks, quote with octal backslash escapes < 1397462280 788153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1397462282 845435 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397462381 497096 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397462450 311249 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397462599 813811 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397462870 96567 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397464160 854692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39320&oldid=39319 5* 03Zerk 5* (+336) 10Defined what assignment actually is. Which upon recollection was more useful that what I'd been writing in, resulting in considerable refactoring. < 1397464408 344353 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397464743 889420 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397464882 320787 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397464927 528255 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1397465314 176423 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397465861 419245 :password2!~password@197.76.170.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397467072 818325 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397468734 805523 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397468815 154228 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397468831 364088 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1397468912 439824 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397470741 228060 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397472302 169099 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF90E3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397472302 470968 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF90E3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397472302 661340 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397472340 178209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397473486 681084 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397473590 286761 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1397474639 924101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New CSC service available - Pouta cloud / Uusi CSC Pouta-pilvipalvelu käytettävissä" so punny < 1397474662 457950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Pouta" is Finnish for non-rainy weather, and "poutapilvi" is a non-rainy cloud. (There might be a more exact definition.)) < 1397475082 208518 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqhrlanrgbzldjwy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397477762 389750 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397479116 692186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: the DOM interface to HTML5 audio/video stuff has a canPlayType(mimeType) function; it returns the empty string, the string "maybe" or the string "probably". I guess it's good not to be overly confident. < 1397479185 706231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to return "probably" if "the user agent is confident that the type represents a media resource that it can render", the empty string if it's "a type that the user agent knows it cannot render", and "maybe" otherwise. < 1397479364 215056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't yet mananged to coax anything more than a "maybe" out of Chrome.) < 1397479756 285033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :poutapilvi is a good word < 1397479817 805270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well sure, most of these media containers can contain any codec in their insides < 1397479906 57052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I haven't gotten even a "maybe" out of the more niche one-format-only MIME types. < 1397479986 932410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd assume something like WebM strictly speaking has a fixed list of allowed codecs? (Maybe it's still "maybe" for future changes, though.) < 1397480011 584583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah -- "Generally, a user agent should never return "probably" for a type that allows the codecs parameter if that parameter is not present." < 1397480051 397787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, 'audio/webm;codecs="vorbis"' -> "probably". < 1397480056 486738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that all makes sense. < 1397480108 342957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, a protocol of lesser moral integrity would have spec'd "yes" as the response for "confident -- it can render". < 1397480337 391913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are so many broken video files around us that even if you know the codec you can't be sure about anything < 1397480358 758257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also buggy decoder software < 1397480389 783028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you ever see broken jpegs, pngs and avis? < 1397480413 454760 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specification is ridiculous though < 1397480460 660957 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What were they thinking? 'No, we can't use "no" for "no", because then if() would think it's true.'?!) < 1397480563 876454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Arguing from that point of view, you couldn't answer "probably" either, since you can never be sure. < 1397480593 823280 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing is that if you are sure, you have to answer "" or "probably". < 1397480677 633319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't you heard the campaign slogan? "'' means no!" < 1397480779 577861 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397480785 928676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: should return "do'neh'lini" and "a'la'ih" for no and yes < 1397480843 182052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and then people will write checks like ("do’neh’lini" == value) in their code and wonder why it fails < 1397480989 854736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :different quotes. fun. < 1397483014 622841 :hern!~raco@77.231.230.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397483156 82020 :hern!~raco@77.231.230.95 QUIT :Client Quit < 1397484895 216994 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397487155 476383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397488339 414387 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397488585 107289 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397488704 49045 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397489617 325083 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397490202 309222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1397490478 9277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1397491457 710411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397491511 754987 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397491684 369813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ctrl-shift-esc 5* 10New user account < 1397492775 898278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Keya14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39321 5* 03Ctrl-shift-esc 5* (+1528) 10Keya is a Brainfuck influenced language < 1397492890 976896 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397492892 278260 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39322&oldid=39311 5* 03Ctrl-shift-esc 5* (+11) 10 < 1397493293 680815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397493972 764838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397494051 362311 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhjpueordfcdemnh JOIN :#esoteric < 1397495008 496116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397495993 192625 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397496614 367001 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397496624 471022 :password2!~password@197.78.170.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397496694 639127 :password2!~password@197.78.170.226 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397496753 803664 :password2!~password@197.78.170.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397496793 258280 :password2!~password@197.78.170.226 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397497563 303449 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397497895 470624 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397498068 271272 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397498106 991635 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397499070 15945 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397499073 105680 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397499948 665387 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397500396 665083 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brainfuck influenced" sounds euphemistic < 1397500578 623509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it's the 2D-grid-in-place-of-tape brainfuck that was discussed here on channel a while ago, or some other 2D-grid-in-place-of-tape brainfuck. < 1397500850 165581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we had a 2d grid in place of brainfuck < 1397500870 713251 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1397500917 896505 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-31-0.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397501001 561817 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397501064 788063 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an infinite dimensional brainfuck < 1397501286 993108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an arbitrary-dimensional one, at least. < 1397501404 216846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dimensifuck claims to be infinite-dimensional. < 1397501445 312136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its wiki article also links to two sprunge.us pastes that have since passed away. < 1397501448 934990 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna ask about a 0-dimensional one, but that's just a push down automaton < 1397501465 649159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a stack < 1397501483 165848 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about... < 1397501489 62091 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous brainfuck < 1397501517 308044 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like maybe you add Fourier modes or something < 1397501520 302881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds vaguely familiar, but I may be just thinking of the debacle that was continuous chess. < 1397501567 836682 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aww. I was hoping it'd change <> to go forward/backward in the dimension specified by the current cell, which does not obviously preserve Turing-completeness. < 1397501594 834340 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if a continuous brainfuck would be equivalent to an Oracle machine < 1397501604 284560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I was hoping Wayback machine archived sprunge.us pastes. < 1397501671 650677 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous Turing machines are equivalent to oracles < 1397501673 940376 :password2!~password@197.78.170.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397501679 920065 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would guess yes < 1397501806 623339 :password2!~password@197.78.170.226 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397503033 996022 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397503053 175607 :password2!~password@197.78.148.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397503757 286642 :password2!~password@197.78.148.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397503876 406719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, 9983361024 bytes (10 GB) copied, 64370.4 s, 155 kB/s < 1397503951 38548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2/3 done? < 1397503959 427545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's speeding up, too. < 1397503968 753617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's now faster than my internet connection ;-) ) < 1397504082 621252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was actually the last part, the other six gigs finished earlier. < 1397504097 468423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: \o/ < 1397504097 801070 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         | < 1397504097 991482 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         >\ < 1397504113 110942 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is myndzi a bot or a human btw? < 1397504156 874091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A human with a script has been my understanding. < 1397504192 167128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bot that lost its human? < 1397504219 783777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a human that lost its human? < 1397504229 534847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : o.o < 1397504260 259047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :celebrate < 1397504296 251419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1397504296 443603 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ < 1397504296 756121 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | < 1397504296 952842 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 >\ c.c  |\ /| |   |     |\ c.c /|     |    /| | |\ c.c /'\ < 1397504297 152251 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               (_|¯´\                 /´\ < 1397504297 382142 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    |_)             (_| |_) < 1397505079 41397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Steins;Gate is an anime involving SERN [sic] running some time travel conspiracy, and something called a "Reading Steiner" that lets you remember other timelines < 1397505082 602429 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1397505117 186892 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and it's currently the all-time best anime (according to animenewsnetwork) < 1397505121 452335 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1397505121 644445 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397505133 568849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Sonseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire"? < 1397505143 245339 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably! < 1397505195 47386 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Société? < 1397505197 35106 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the sonseiru oiropeen pure ra etc < 1397505222 923325 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently the all time <-- help < 1397505268 670252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like one thing would always be the best all-time something. < 1397505311 633055 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently the all-time-up-until-now, I guess < 1397505399 209767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've been fine with this if it was obviously a parody though (and I haven't watched it or anything) < 1397505465 594576 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cern stands for "Organisation Européenne pour la Recherche Nucléaire " so i think we can cut the animes some slack < 1397505573 7715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crganisation < 1397505638 663374 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm cern hasn't amde antiwater yet. disappointing < 1397505726 999913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the semicolon in the name though < 1397505759 943788 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same people made "ChäoS;HEAd" < 1397505782 313926 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1397505884 828864 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spinoff Chäos;Head Love Chu Chu! would be a great name for an esolang though < 1397506112 859682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought the .hack folk were bad when it came to punctuation. < 1397506225 7319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've only watched .hack//SIGN out of it.) < 1397506992 160606 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397507542 610742 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397507565 742527 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397507954 528092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that the train providing high speed service between Helsinki and St Petersburg is built to 1522 mm gauge, which is the average of finnish (1524 mm) and russian (1520 mm) gauge < 1397507963 923047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it runs equally well (equally poorly?) on both networks < 1397508004 762390 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty small gauge difference < 1397508042 728759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, low speed trains of either gauge work fine on either gauge < 1397508098 889464 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://skreened.com/dumbstuff/funny-meme unrelated < 1397508102 113613 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man I saw gauge and I thought it was ##physics < 1397508158 977144 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gauge in a physics context just makes me think of a tao post i half remember < 1397508248 670403 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gauge can get pretty weird in GR < 1397508530 688991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I passively knew that fact. < 1397508730 179610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397509493 938885 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397509510 964297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07NRSRSSOMN14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39323 5* 03EzoLang 5* (+2366) 10Created page with "'''NRSRSSOMN''' (Nameless Random String-Rewriting Systems Scribbled On Math Notebook) are a collection of [[:Category:String-rewriting paradigm|string-rewriting systems]] crea..." < 1397509519 457311 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397509535 411540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:EzoLang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39324&oldid=32157 5* 03EzoLang 5* (+15) 10 < 1397509627 895864 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The e-zoo lang < 1397509636 863120 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna be a language where data is zoo animals < 1397509645 604378 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is in cage data structures < 1397509661 343813 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go a-head < 1397509712 11346 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, I somehow though that 12yo-me would've known better with nicks. though that it was at least 10yo-me < 1397509770 772231 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Slereah_ for like < 1397509775 607790 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 15 years < 1397509778 171856 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a smart move < 1397509782 522483 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically my name < 1397509804 318714 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 years old me didn't foresee that using your real name online would turn out bad in the future < 1397509850 280862 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bad about it for you < 1397509868 368511 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause now people can casually google you < 1397509872 208693 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to phone < 1397509915 668146 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/search?q=fizzie+freenode more a function of uniqueness, i would think < 1397509936 705081 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that guy said it best : < 1397509942 153161 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :age 11: worry about internet people finding me in real life, now: worry about people in real life finding me on the internet < 1397509943 836380 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bike freenode" gets you a lot of articles about lilo dying, apparently < 1397510286 805326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so i googled Ørjan Johansen just now... < 1397510325 25292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first page gives no relevant _text_ hits. < 1397510329 651975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to go like to the seventh result of "fizzie freenode" to get a page with my real name on it. < 1397510330 278868 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397510337 130895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least as sorted for me.) < 1397510340 37012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a picture of me, which i had no idea was on the internet. < 1397510355 90554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _not_ the one i've shown you before. < 1397510379 49915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ørjan Johansen, leder for Miljøpartiet De Grønne (MDG) i Time --" I didn't know you were in politics. < 1397510395 858939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my esolang page is on the second page of hits, though. < 1397510411 497943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not. < 1397510432 103148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although coincidentally i _did_ vote for that party last election. < 1397510457 96965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was, given the election rules, afaict a wasted vote < 1397510492 611740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also didn't know you were in the field of "psychedelics, MDMA, drug policy, public health and evidence-based medicine". < 1397510496 851084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they got no representative from my county, and not enough total votes to get extra ones.) < 1397510510 756651 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: kmc is well known to be infectious < 1397510597 969352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stackoverflow page is on page 4 < 1397510630 944901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My real name is terribly Googleable, since I believe it's unique. :/ < 1397510752 683387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the picture is one the university got on the press release from when i got the doctorate. < 1397510757 670899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the image search for it has just two instances of my face, and then a whole lot of people, some of whom I know and some entirely unfamiliar. < 1397510887 574353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ntnu.no/doktorgrader/dr.scient/09.98/johansen.html fwiw < 1397510914 167948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strangely normal. < 1397510933 388497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I was expecting, but I was expecting something surprising. < 1397510957 522437 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he's wearing makeup to hide the scar < 1397510959 365379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you expected a surprise and you were surprised < 1397510968 439302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if they took that picture themselves, or if it's from that one passport photo i was particularly satisfied with once < 1397511014 980647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just cropped my face out of our professional-photographer-taken research group photo when I needed an up-to-date face for a thing. < 1397511021 132080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely remembers that shirt < 1397511188 951504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find any others, that might be the only one reachable through the web < 1397511433 750963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of trains, they recently introduced two-floor restaurant carriages in the (two-floor) Intercity trains in Finland. < 1397511485 829806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the upstairs is just more or less regular seating.) < 1397511614 966370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They claim it's a unique concept, but it might be just something they say. < 1397511618 294555 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397511639 996854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vr.fi/en/index/palvelut/tietoja_junista/intercity/duettoplus.html in any case. < 1397511661 621411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do they have amusing accidents while bringing food up/down the stairs < 1397511664 11408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a picture of oerjan < 1397511684 450356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would certainly assume so. < 1397511695 480199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i am not a train hth < 1397511709 233583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sceptical < 1397511764 199822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you brits and your weird spelling of skeptical < 1397511797 474088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Septical. < 1397511823 367428 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am surprised they have many lines lone enough to justify that, it's only two hours to tampere right? i guess if you're going to oulu or something < 1397511834 853244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no i think that means american in cockney hth < 1397511851 868345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: They have introduced them, in fact, on the line from Helsinki to Oulu. < 1397511865 685753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is indeed two hours to Tampere. < 1397511914 805440 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway amtrak has double-deck "cafe/lounge" cars on its western routes with the cafe downstairs and tables with seating both downstairs and upstairs, IIRC < 1397511987 904105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say it's something like six-seven-eight hours to Lieksa, except (a) they no longer have a single service going the whole way, and (b) it only takes four and a half hours to Joensuu nowadays. This truly is the future. < 1397511997 15759 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never taken a train in finland :( ... well i took the helsinki metro a couple times < 1397512002 797370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We used to go Helsinki-Lieksa-Helsinki at least twice a year.) < 1397512031 853113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ridiculous: the vr.fi netshop is closed from 22:30 to 06:00, because... I don't know, the servers need to sleep too? < 1397512050 311269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can only look up schedules, not buy tickets.) < 1397512089 930792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they want someone to be looking after it at all times, but it's not like other companies generally seem to have trouble keeping their web-shops open. < 1397512146 18269 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :megabus used to not let you use the site at all between 03:00 and 05:00 or something < 1397512147 95845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I'm reasonably sure the ticket vending machines are open 24/7. < 1397512147 286663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm cern hasn't amde antiwater yet. disappointing <-- i have a hunch anti-oxygen might prove tricky? < 1397512151 231757 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if that's still the case < 1397512179 404084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They made some anti-molecules already. (Anti-H_2, maybe?) < 1397512225 104170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not. < 1397512236 477701 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Antideuterium,[21][22] antihelium-3 (3He)[23][24] and antihelium-4 (4He) nuclei[25] have been produced so far" < 1397512241 350363 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in addition to antihydrogen) < 1397512275 360808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I misremembered some of those news, then. < 1397512283 112398 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool how we've made antihydrogen but still don't know how it's subjected to gravity < 1397512296 173707 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: clearly you mistook 2H and H2 < 1397512334 145052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so they've at least managed helium < 1397512346 200048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :{}^2H < 1397512355 948811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they've managed to make normal oxygen "from scratch" < 1397512385 493383 :lexande!arapp@131.215.176.115 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1397512400 700003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would from scratch mean < 1397512402 645912 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you even do that without triple alpha? < 1397512408 433842 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from fusion of hydrogen, i assume < 1397512415 368137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with hydrogen yeah < 1397512426 1166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah in that case i doubt it, it's an awful lot of fusion to be doing < 1397512467 692818 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure triple alpha can't be done in any laboratory we're going to have in the next thousand years < 1397512499 685232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in the big one we inherited. < 1397512543 752146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "runaway laboratory experiment" theory of solar system foundation.) < 1397512553 631243 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397512554 240718 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397512582 397354 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_process right, you need carbon to get the "metals", and for carbon you need triple alpha < 1397512584 945280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i dunno, we don't have to do it continuously... < 1397512610 308831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some kind of "shoot things at a point" setup... < 1397512643 268323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a collider, but with less power and more incoming paths < 1397512658 593667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to get a few atoms < 1397512689 238698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 beams of alpha particles crossing < 1397512716 20725 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can things actually be coordinated to get a termolecular interaction? i mean you're talking a 10^-17 second window < 1397512786 939894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the sun manage it < 1397512812 111527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't beat it on pressure, but maybe on precision? < 1397512813 460221 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397512816 53575 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science is scary < 1397512846 640408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you read DMM's latest sunday annotation < 1397512853 615672 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I am afraid I didn't < 1397512860 509422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Breaking news: solar fusion mathematically proven to be impossible, Sun shuts down. < 1397512943 271205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i vaguely recall there was a scifi story where the plot was that the alien's ftl system didn't make sense, and when the humans showed them the experiments to prove relativity their starship broke down... < 1397512946 642158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like what happened with all the... what was the thing that was supposedly unable to fly?) < 1397512949 81544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aliens' < 1397512956 656761 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the fact it is possible was pretty surprising < 1397512964 62295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, bumblebees < 1397512977 583987 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it relies not just on the three-molecule thing but also on some energy resonance business i don't know shit about < 1397512984 40317 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god fuck that bumblebee thing < 1397512987 100583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bumblebees are secretly using invisible stilts < 1397513001 517611 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluids behave differently at different scales breaking news < 1397513026 273014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people making the claim generally don't understand things in that depth anyway < 1397513030 350216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: let's not go ballistic over dead unicorn tropes. < 1397513047 763421 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know, it's just super irritating. insect flight is cool!! < 1397513083 495801 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and nah dude i've seen actual people say science says bumblebees can't fly, not that they know shit about anything ofc < 1397513113 151002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like those tiny wasps that just have like a strut with lots of tiny filaments coming off < 1397513125 651536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, now I have read it and maintain my opinion that science is scary < 1397513141 597869 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, one synonym of scary is awesome < 1397513192 221825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also just in case you're entirely out of the loop, DMM started a new comic, which he actually draws. < 1397513200 28341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think you linked me that < 1397513203 480791 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every wednesday, right? < 1397513206 38013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397513219 861889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed how the real numbers are kind of crazy but going full constructivist is even crazier < 1397513221 345293 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to keep up with it < 1397513228 789243 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, everything is scary < 1397513243 69894 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i have a few pdfs named things like 'more-finitist-crap' i can look at when i need a laff < 1397513252 93786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said crazy not scary * swats Taneb -----### < 1397513279 2127 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, things can be scary AND crazy < 1397513297 697670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well the unicorn part is that any scientist ever claimed it, i guess. < 1397513304 991504 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure yeah. < 1397513322 934813 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, I think I remember the finitists < 1397513354 452883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's scary about the real numbers? integers are scarier < 1397513357 924667 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor sods < 1397513380 88211 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.businessinsider.com/i-was-assaulted-for-wearing-google-glass-2014-4 most cyberpunk thing i've seen all day < 1397513382 302206 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does finitism even exist < 1397513399 394758 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because exponentiation isn't total maaaaan < 1397513409 944711 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertu, because things are scary and when some people see scary things they get afraid and try to rationalize to what they understand < 1397513451 46120 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just accept it? you don't have to think of it as real, just think of it as a formalism that makes things easier to do or something. < 1397513458 866173 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accepting is hard to do < 1397513460 494129 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow platonist < 1397513526 492481 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397513541 167749 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397513541 805832 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1397513542 308873 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 142207Z 27010G16KT 12SM -SHRA BKN075 OVC120 OVC220 20/12 A2951 RMK AC6AC2CS1 CS TR PRESRR SLP995 DENSITY ALT 1100FT < 1397513552 169590 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1397513577 896539 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's platonist in that it's proposing that somehow things that are otherwise real can somehow not be? < 1397513587 415595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually accepted that numbers exist < 1397513592 796003 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just since you said "real" < 1397513616 405963 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tertu can speak? < 1397513644 132913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1397513644 554641 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 142150Z 23004KT CAVOK 03/02 Q0998 NOSIG < 1397513666 857705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's short. < 1397513681 550538 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNT < 1397513682 1703 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 142150Z 00000KT CAVOK 03/02 Q1029 < 1397513691 92247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's shorter. < 1397513702 271440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar XYZW < 1397513702 866148 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the size that counts, but how hot it is. < 1397513703 56506 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1397513708 329673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that shortest?) < 1397513746 59590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :03/02 seems to be popular. < 1397513798 848582 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too mainstream for me. have you heard of 20/12? probably not; they're very obscure numbers. < 1397513837 932788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog olsner.*~metar < 1397513840 41748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastelog: line 2: cd: /var/irclogs/_esoteric: No such file or directory \ grep: ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.30653 < 1397513868 533633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, guess not... does boily remember my metar code? < 1397513877 423286 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: where are you again? < 1397513882 717418 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1397513883 157726 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 142150Z 30006KT CAVOK 03/01 Q1002 R88/0///95 NOSIG < 1397513884 437567 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSB < 1397513884 885451 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 142150Z AUTO 27003KT 9999NDV OVC220/// 04/02 Q1002 < 1397513894 42164 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, have you ever seen proof that 20 exists < 1397513938 394180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe in 20 about as much as Canada < 1397513944 222759 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm Canadian. I embody conjectual existence. < 1397513963 831036 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks olsner < 1397513964 354395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, olsner. Tholsner. < 1397513988 543556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada exists < 1397513991 912428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about 20 < 1397514031 826470 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: eh? < 1397514052 971942 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we have an example of a canada person right here, but i've yet to see a 20 < 1397514088 866715 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, please prove that numbers exist. < 1397514089 735589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSZpacho < 1397514098 255159 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you only think they're an example of a canada person, whereas we can prove things about 20 < 1397514100 646987 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I don't believe they do < 1397514104 811666 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maths is real, physics might be fake < 1397514107 886542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gaszpacho < 1397514108 420726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days < 1397514110 19480 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: oh yeah, things like what < 1397514121 540486 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? conflagrate < 1397514122 143003 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conflagrate? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1397514133 353845 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hm. what was the entry again... ) < 1397514147 984616 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bookwatching < 1397514148 623186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookwatching is when you conflagrate birdwatching and the books used to identify them in the same object. < 1397514160 191843 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disflagrate < 1397514160 749288 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disflagrate v.t.perf.: a traditional technique from Poland (earliest attestation c. 1042) used to separate szoups. Nowadays, commercial production is entirely mechanized. < 1397514163 775322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho < 1397514164 446334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1397514169 772123 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyisms finally catch up w/im < 1397514180 417523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in spain i ate a lot of gazpacho < 1397514194 901381 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: :D < 1397514318 619243 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397514386 3567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gaczpaczo < 1397514386 602073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaczpaczo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1397514389 731026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1397514463 735610 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of gazpachoes only has a cardinality of two. < 1397514513 975822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the set is infinite but we have a small selection of them in hackego < 1397514531 903200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? szoup < 1397514532 491030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit. < 1397514554 534232 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phở < 1397514555 196067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phở là một món ăn truyền thống của Việt Nam, cũng có thể xem là một trong những món ăn đặc trưng nhất cho ẩm thực Việt Nam. < 1397514571 690824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The szoup in Spain falls mainly on the plains. < 1397514596 191605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, hungarian < 1397514649 674514 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :valóban. < 1397514678 611289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazspacho < 1397514679 180820 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazspacho? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1397514686 147359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1397514692 208756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazspaczo < 1397514692 801479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazspaczo iz a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz < 1397514817 308750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn gaspasjo is a norwegian soup, which died out due to a lack of hot summer days < 1397514818 691357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1397514834 469910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1397514837 404293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1397514837 898461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1397514845 149036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn gaspatsjo is a norwegian soup, which died out due to a lack of hot summer days < 1397514846 563050 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1397514868 111248 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditionally served warm for cold summer days? < 1397514873 192484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1397514873 653791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1397514880 66295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn gaspatsjo was a norwegian soup, which died out due to a lack of hot summer days < 1397514880 674840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1397514890 712933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's like, every other soup. < 1397514897 279523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1397514907 151514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now in awe about how hard it is to define the real numbers < 1397514907 346050 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397514912 525203 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how simple the definition is < 1397514968 926465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run translatefromto en no soup < 1397514969 820211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This google api no longer exists. < 1397514976 611685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which definition < 1397514994 927875 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ♪ping♪ your Norwegian soup was PDFed. < 1397515018 500953 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397515054 704224 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no:suppe, sv:soppa < 1397515065 510702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1397515148 47920 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archimedean complete totally ordered field < 1397515214 166836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh, i thought you were, like, constructing them < 1397515239 221949 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the patience for constructivism < 1397515365 654049 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedekind cuts don't seem hard < 1397515406 919077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedekind cuts are the best < 1397515433 198654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have a good word for soup like hebrew does < 1397515533 28724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi:keitto we like to be different. < 1397515537 126110 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: m.*r.*q? < 1397515553 763586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, marak < 1397515698 115759 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: even the Estonians agree with the Sensible Way; ee:supp. < 1397515734 375506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "soppa" is used colloquially. < 1397515800 603638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though probably only for less fancy soups. < 1397515808 571691 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1397515813 834269 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you all have nice soup < 1397515826 56782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodsoup. < 1397515832 473413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has bread < 1397515946 319265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION super en sup suppe til supéen < 1397515952 908485 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne Tanuitb! < 1397515979 765186 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pige que dalle à ce qu'oerjan dit. < 1397516057 466004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit this qu'oerjan said boily freelancing indeed. < 1397516113 531444 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. oooooow. I think I sprained the language zone in my brain trying to parse that. < 1397516139 843826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...then think of poor google translate which produced it. < 1397516167 551052 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats google translate. “sorry, bud. won't do that again. at least for a while.” < 1397516263 65826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, super=sips (v), sup=sip (n), supé=supper (n, excessively formal) < 1397516325 503598 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.71.198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397516396 766429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the informal word would be kveldsmat) < 1397516495 867805 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :déjeuner, dîner, souper. as it should be, not like from those weird Frenchmen. < 1397516499 707440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'In most parts of The United States and Canada today, "supper" and "dinner" are considered synonyms.' < 1397516564 999929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, fi:keitto is derived from the verb "keittää", to boil something. (But only the transitive verb; if something's just boiling, the verb is "kiehua".) < 1397516577 62656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's supperb. < 1397516706 552187 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397516725 245459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess you could use "kiehuttaa" in place of "keittää", but it sounds slightly clunky. But "kiehauttaa" -- to bring to a boil, to parboil -- is a word that is used.) < 1397516774 309840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Languages are so silly.) < 1397516793 775874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the difference between "koke" and "koke opp" in norwegian. < 1397516829 394604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like the difference between cocaine and the actual act of snorting cocaine. < 1397516894 610624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1397516952 218058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kokkeli" is a Finnish (very) colloquial term for cocaine, though it actually means curd, or in "munakokkeli" scrambled eggs. < 1397516972 578175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think with the right dialectical munging i can get the "kokain" and "koka inn" to sound similar. < 1397516973 90355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's related to "coagulate". < 1397517049 329332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the later would mean boiled off of all liquid, or thereabouts) < 1397517072 385530 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397517198 30500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, good soup from me too. -> < 1397517498 652769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39325&oldid=39320 5* 03Zerk 5* (+1193) 10Added sugared and defined chain assignment < 1397517770 14149 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: WHARGHARBL CHICKEN < 1397517772 668221 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397517778 723378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397519341 478764 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie now that i think about it, why is it "fi:" for finnish and not "su:"? < 1397519341 701983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397519450 593085 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that is odd, plenty of other languages use endonyms under that iso < 1397519493 924204 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and swedish gets sv... but japanese is ja < 1397519514 368215 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :su is sundanese, looks like < 1397519943 211940 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397521058 692481 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: ISO 639-1 < 1397521134 974086 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they assigned exonyms/endonyms carefully to avoid clashes? < 1397521240 817330 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, suzzie might be a poor choice of nick for a male. < 1397521975 219565 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397523965 611265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39326&oldid=39325 5* 03Zerk 5* (+102) 10sugared primitives* < 1397524019 932091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397524021 305113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plexcoin mycentinycoin smicoin trifiedcoin bievencoin ciilcoin lazanctioncoin feranoltamcoin pichcoin morshipcoin vitycoin kolmogecoin circacoin alpingcoin onozcoin bitcoin pulcoin digfacoin ettercoin ischcoin < 1397524042 541654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh i get it now (an hour later) < 1397524066 289024 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plexcoin, a cryptocoin for EVE? < 1397524068 239804 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397524271 519073 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You play eve? < 1397524303 42291 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played a little bit, not much < 1397524304 336880 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397524310 459239 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm occasionally interested in reading about it < 1397524312 185542 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :What alliance/coalition? < 1397524313 313205 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397524313 794692 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1397524316 420813 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time all I did was take pretty pictures < 1397524324 993130 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the EVE Gate and the violent wormhole < 1397524361 221415 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397524427 655280 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/QnZs290.png hmm doesn't quite show it < 1397524452 467416 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/WvcujFs.jpg < 1397524713 503042 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've been to the eve gate and lived in a hole for a while < 1397524783 361747 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397525359 803130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397525595 877355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever manage to stay in it, I'd... well, I would head for TEST if it wasn't dead < 1397525640 396729 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently blue with TEST, though I am a little sad about that < 1397525730 460530 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue? < 1397525746 835461 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- not the most knowledgeable about EVE < 1397525765 601731 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue = have status wherein we do not shoot each other < 1397525774 453796 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, TEST is part of the HERO coalition at the moment < 1397525789 755985 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a part of SOUND, who is currently supporting HERO's attempt to claim Catch after the russians fucked up < 1397525791 963678 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly remembers Ferion < 1397525853 111188 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397525879 256372 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397525885 217034 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10^4 players" < 1397525893 935809 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the site says 396000 players < 1397525911 552430 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some of the recent battles in eve have had over 10^4 players in a single system >_> < 1397525916 338466 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397525921 582784 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ferion forums are down :( < 1397525949 660220 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, nvm, looks like there were only 3k in a single system < 1397526070 741476 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ferion has 'arenas', that is, universes, that eventually get won and closed, with a brand new arena then starting < 1397526086 127258 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you don't get this lock-in of powerful people who've been there since day 1 < 1397526096 203425 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I don't know if that's a real EVE issue < 1397526110 391841 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's an entirely different genre of game < 1397526173 651204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ferion.com/portal/screen.php < 1397526179 201564 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397526192 509176 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397526192 729383 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397526199 379020 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397526211 404766 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In eve, being there earlier does give you some amount of power, but really not that much compared to coordination with other people < 1397526237 436561 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The main power source is how many people you can get to 1.) Follow you and 2.) Not fuck up < 1397526260 797124 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAVE (the most potent alliance from the HERO coalition) is essentially entirely constructed of a legion of newbies < 1397526270 830796 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fail at #2 pretty hard, but there are enough of them to make up for it < 1397526287 325243 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really only need a few people with a lot of SP/ISK to form a backbone around which other players can form < 1397526429 415978 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397526479 679553 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397526671 536266 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397526705 251261 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397526779 304441 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397526787 183617 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397526822 742750 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game mechanics are biased heavily towards having thousands of minions in rifters < 1397526950 278167 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397527047 499557 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397527079 70646 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397527098 524328 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397527368 202844 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397527379 583141 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397527635 831456 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397527694 815750 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397530881 253213 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, my alliance is small, and we get by fine < 1397530928 784553 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397530956 838656 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397531105 713278 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel this channel should know that, apparently thanks to the earlier discussion of nucleosynthesis, i had a dream about nazi nuclear reactors < 1397531953 611580 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397532134 810459 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397532305 828065 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397533703 151710 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397535149 202633 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397536319 313876 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397539028 228234 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39327&oldid=39326 5* 03Zerk 5* (+833) 10Moved integer sign to a key. Which will probably cause problems with 0 at some point *continues perpetually rewriting everything* < 1397539882 262985 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhjpueordfcdemnh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397540639 680708 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397540659 196857 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-175-31-0.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1397540708 138557 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397541940 746533 :password2!~password@197.78.148.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397543129 100816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39328&oldid=39327 5* 03Zerk 5* (+518) 10Added $$$$… referencing outer levels, /* Standard Library */ and used it to factor out math into a subbox with output re-colored as ints. < 1397544397 439094 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397544614 602783 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397544694 754300 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397546173 448575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39329&oldid=39103 5* 03172.248.146.87 5* (+1) 10/* Print value of cell x as number */ Return SP to it's starting position when finished < 1397546763 778901 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397546874 421943 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397547408 912623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots fall on fungot falls < 1397547409 621785 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lisp could do that too ( insist on precision) but many people still speak of it and make it simpler < 1397547445 200731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent < 1397547445 494214 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe the words should be longer and harder? and software should be higher in quality how? < 1397547548 494406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop making sense it's scary. < 1397547548 720753 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's reserving 1424 bytes, then i can't < 1397547629 377018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is it reserving those bytes for? < 1397547629 587162 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and then you can hit alt-space be one < 1397547675 487935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :less sense, but pretty good still... must be something in the data < 1397547723 248891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nooodl You must ask "ISO 639-1:2002, Codes for the representation of names of languages — Part 1: Alpha-2 code" that. < 1397547723 687742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397547748 442192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, someone already pointed to it. < 1397547763 992057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't read scrollback, only @masseurs.) < 1397548079 417419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly "Part 4: General principles of coding of the representation of names of languages and related entities, and application guidelines" would contain the reason, but I don't want to pay CHF 138 for it. < 1397548282 147531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hella CHF < 1397548579 361387 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 10^27 CHF? :( < 1397548712 23986 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit over ten trillion years of current world GDP < 1397548879 762705 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397549143 236734 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397549165 957730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth has the highest GDP of any planet in our solar system < 1397549964 732120 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397550246 766457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Like they say, "to be born on Earth is like winning the lottery". < 1397550272 911226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the longest life expectancy by far, I assume. < 1397550584 634046 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397550683 679711 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397551546 325570 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397552750 509282 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397552750 699921 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397552750 890365 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397552761 547142 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people here. :D < 1397553409 853083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome AndroidKitKat < 1397553410 344256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: relcome: not found < 1397553416 566221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B| < 1397553451 449744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!welcome AndroidKitKat < 1397553453 585322 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1397553453 875662 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hi. :D < 1397553492 43636 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here uses brainfuck? < 1397553617 169387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat, a lot of us from time to time < 1397553627 862601 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask? < 1397553644 575973 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need general tips and tricks. < 1397553645 552494 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commercial viability of enterprise brainfuck solution? < 1397553675 499578 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1397553689 783405 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/joking) < 1397553711 569752 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION really sucks on joking < 1397553717 917218 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I found it funny < 1397553720 988311 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no sense of humor. :/ < 1397553739 133177 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thank you very much. :S < 1397553757 413262 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat, if you are storing lots of data, fixing the ends and only the ends to be zero works because then you can use [>] and [<] to navigate < 1397553810 539997 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I see. < 1397553831 238376 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how good advice that actually < 1397553831 971273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1397553840 227413 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useful. < 1397553840 680143 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never written anything particularly big in brainfuck < 1397553862 579107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've written more brainfuck implementations than brainfuck programs, I think < 1397553868 599968 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, same < 1397553879 128960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once almost had one in lambda calculus < 1397553966 604502 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an optimizing Brainfuck implementation for the thesis < 1397553983 348445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sweet < 1397554185 997863 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wrote a brainfuck interpreter in a TI-83+. (Because I was bored as hell... <.<) < 1397554286 296325 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has much research gone into algorithm complexity on the tape memory model? < 1397554310 695804 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut? < 1397554361 527 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of what I've seen seems to be on the random access memory model < 1397554391 939518 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what are we talking about right now? < 1397554410 331964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just rambling mostly < 1397554415 547743 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1397555049 239586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set-flag-and-conditionally-unset-it is a common brainfuck construction, though I'm not sure that really counts as a tip. < 1397555095 214479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, something like >+<[>-<[-]]>[xxx] for "do xxx is current cell was zero". < 1397555102 793709 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Like, have a certain memory cell to keep track of? < 1397555265 141189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote something useful in brainfuck just the other day, but now I can no longer remember what it was. < 1397555279 686617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^thanks fungot < 1397555279 895830 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fungot. Thungot. < 1397555284 131672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, it was that. < 1397555298 264851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps calling it "useful" is stretching things. < 1397555303 163368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show thanks < 1397555303 355475 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2,[>,]+15[>+6>+7>+3>+2<4-]>-6.>-.-7.+13.-3.+8.>-.>+2.<5[<]>[.>]>3+2.>.<3.<2[<]>[[-<2+>+>]+<-97[-4[-4[-6[-6[-4[>-<[-]]]]]]]>[[>]>2-11.<3[<]<.>3[.>]>3.>5][-]>]<3[[<]>2[.>]>5.>2] < 1397555308 427823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/thanks < 1397555308 844448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $_ = (join " ", @ARGV) || `words`; s/^\s+|\s+$//g; print "Thanks, $_. "; if (/[aeiouyAEIOUY]/) { s/^[^aeiouyAEIOUY]*/Th/; } else { s/^./T/; } print "$_."; < 1397555330 678721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is an implementation of the latter, done because HackEgo was offline there for a while. < 1397555364 45172 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1397555465 433097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That +<-97[-4[-4[-6[-6[-4[>-<[-]]]]]]]>[xxx] construct is an example of the kind of flag-based "more complicated if condition than just != 0" construction; it does xxx if the < cell is not one of 97, 101, 105, etc. < 1397555484 221730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Corresponding to the [^aeiouy], of course.) < 1397555507 195566 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the numbers just a "macro"? < 1397555581 160394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, -4 is just ----. < 1397555612 381487 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1397555627 692846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's interpreter is based on compiling to a bytecode where consecutive +-s and <>s have been merged, and I thought I might as well implement ^show in a bit more compact way. < 1397555627 906460 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' whore' is on the emacs wiki. < 1397555628 686154 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know an application which does that for you? < 1397555643 509098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and <4 is just <<<< < 1397555646 842523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def tmp bf ++++++++++-->>>>><. < 1397555647 70616 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1397555648 418281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show bf < 1397555650 407137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show tmp < 1397555651 77363 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+10-2>5<. < 1397555655 343151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1397555661 565266 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 15 means 11111 so +15 means ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++means ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++means ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++means ++++++++++++++++++++++++ < 1397555680 135573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to turn that into +8>4. < 1397555684 603898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I thought it was. < 1397555698 539927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I didn't implement that, and/or broke it. < 1397555705 208397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1397555705 416226 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1397555763 528821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, seems I just dreamed I did it sanely. < 1397555774 709386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it strip comments? < 1397555778 190810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1397555804 67988 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Lol. < 1397555804 805823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can clearly see from lines 360-367 or thereabouts, it only considers the repetition of a single instruction. < 1397556000 33221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whoa, that's scary < 1397556011 684884 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, somewhat off-topic, but what Lisp flavour should I learn? < 1397556023 164796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in befunge! < 1397556034 693954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It doesn't have "fung" in the name by accident. < 1397556121 455653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fungot - putting the fun back in befunge since 2008" < 1397556121 646215 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do they block zip, etc too :) < 1397556151 423287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me to NotJack who wrote a J evaluator irc bot in J < 1397556162 800665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which of these is crazier < 1397556174 791008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about befunge to decide < 1397556186 465804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a Befunge interpreter in fungot (yet), to be fair. < 1397556186 951742 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and adamantix is supposed to catch that willy nilly penguins and seals, i think, due to probable single connection to the server cause nothing happends when i do something like < 1397556208 925269 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J doesn't seem to be hard. < 1397556254 231772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also to belatedly comment on the Lisp flavours, I'm partial to Scheme but that's probably just due to SICP. < 1397556267 709432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that would be practical only if you include a good multi-dimensional source code editor with an irc interface so people can edit their source code < 1397556296 695516 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Scheme it is! < 1397556348 900784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :025*".srenileno rof enif tsuj si egnufeB">:#,_@ < 1397556350 587592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndroidKitKat: head on to http://www.racket-lang.org/ and http://www-sop.inria.fr/indes/fp/Bigloo/ < 1397556376 903730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) |.'.srenileno rof enif tsuj si egnufeB' < 1397556377 785511 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Befunge is just fine for oneliners. < 1397556391 420842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, mybe not quite *that* fine. < 1397556519 686936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a magic 8-ball macro? < 1397556601 995886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1397556677 515378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1397556677 706940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1397556686 567925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, it's not quite.) < 1397556721 912853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you implement it in befunge or something? < 1397556736 788398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a reference implementation in perlbot macro language < 1397556740 411824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps < 1397556770 922446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well it's quite simple, it just takes one of the 20 reply strings at random) < 1397556797 108737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly doable in Befunge; there's the ? instruction that (uniformly) randomly does one of ^ v < >. < 1397556811 459712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also be doable as a ^style 8ball via the babble generator. < 1397556833 242385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397556972 423320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though perhaps it'd be kind of pointless, since it's one "shuf -n 1" on HackEgo. < 1397557008 228070 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397557024 670653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, let's try that < 1397557103 783850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run <<<"It is certain/It is decidedly so/Without a doubt/Yes definitely/You may rely on it/As I see it, yes/Most likely/Outlook good/Yes/Signs point to yes/Reply hazy try again/Ask again later/Better not tell you now/Cannot predict now/Concantrate and ask again/Don't count on it/My reply is no/My sources say no/Outlook not so good/Very doubtful" tr / \\n > 8ballreplies < 1397557105 54780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397557135 135412 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shuf -n 8ballreplies < 1397557139 478544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shuf -n 1 8ballreplies < 1397557139 990067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely < 1397557165 571977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397557183 969402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run shuf -n 1 8ballreplies # Are there 20 replies? < 1397557184 438180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is certain < 1397557191 783466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :` run wc -l 8ballreplies < 1397557192 227597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1397557196 342910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -l 8ballreplies < 1397557196 803114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 8ballreplies < 1397557250 217241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/8* < 1397557250 827802 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/8*: No such file or directory < 1397557278 695250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#!/bin/sh\nshuf -n 1 8ballreplies' > bin/8ball < 1397557280 76582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397557290 614255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball Did I create the script correctly? < 1397557291 148480 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/8ball: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/8ball: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1397557311 510051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod a+x bin/8ball && cp bin/8{,-}ball < 1397557312 976905 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397557317 552040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball Did I create the script correctly now? < 1397557318 78670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook not so good < 1397557330 307621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball Why, what's the error? < 1397557330 752720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sources say no < 1397557334 483330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1397557447 808468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir data; mv 8ballreplies data/; sed -i -e 's|8ballreplies|data/8ballreplies|' bin/8ball # let's keep the /hackenv clean and tidy, everybody < 1397557449 205119 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `data': File exists < 1397557452 233119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1397557528 310622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -dl data < 1397557528 835338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1397557535 582052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -dl data < 1397557536 128260 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 5000 4096 Apr 15 10:24 data < 1397557540 394565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe that was some confusing thing it had w.r.t. directories. Anyway, it seems to have worked all right. (Though /hackenv is full of cruft anyhow.) < 1397557557 486724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball this? < 1397557558 321605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask again later < 1397557567 320287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp -v bin/8{,-}ball < 1397557568 603712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`bin/8ball' -> `bin/8-ball' < 1397557579 497469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball Is /hackenv full of cruft? < 1397557580 840770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't count on it < 1397557587 855759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1397557588 387189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ data \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1397557591 949087 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball fungot? < 1397557592 219088 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you need to use three .s in a version that uses meroon. oop in lisp is done with lambda? < 1397557592 421759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is certain < 1397557654 507462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe 'share' would've been the obvious place, WordData is there too. < 1397557714 179630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv data/8ballreplies share/; sed -i -e 's/data/share/' bin/8*ball; rmdir data # going to hit some empty-directory problem again, I'm sure < 1397557715 517666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397557723 267541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should upload buubot's old fortune files collection to HackEgo and add some command to interface it. I think I have a copy of those files at home. < 1397557784 376614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls share < 1397557784 927769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8ballreplies \ awesome \ cat \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ hello.c \ lua \ maze \ maze.c \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ units.dat \ WordData < 1397557800 684395 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397558357 48745 :password2!~password@197.78.148.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397559238 194167 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397559266 502536 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397559438 45826 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397559900 151760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397560094 320219 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PREDICTIVE CHICKEN < 1397560110 916059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't predict that. < 1397560365 77277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're no chicken. < 1397560424 314115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you are making assumptions. < 1397560448 166664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that picture from yesterday is evidence. < 1397560633 259494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could have been a convincing FLESH SUIT. < 1397560945 599542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the evaluation, you should not use any buttons of your browser, such as "Back" and "Refresh"." < 1397560949 808362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of harsh < 1397561040 786831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly that only applies to the current tab. < 1397561123 905057 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like http://www.xkcd.com/629/ ? < 1397561373 942757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fursure < 1397561795 810349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1397561949 696736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat share/8ballreplies < 1397561950 205773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is certain \ It is decidedly so \ Without a doubt \ Yes definitely \ You may rely on it \ As I see it, yes \ Most likely \ Outlook good \ Yes \ Signs point to yes \ Reply hazy try again \ Ask again later \ Better not tell you now \ Cannot predict now \ Concantrate and ask again \ Don't count on it \ My reply is no \ My sources say no \ Outlook n < 1397561959 803585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that Concantrate intentional < 1397561986 982885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grep 42 share/8ballreplies < 1397562015 283934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no "no output"? < 1397562017 456824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397562020 474950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397562053 595851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'll be correcting that if you don't say it's intentional hth < 1397562093 639031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 42 >> share/8ballreplies < 1397562094 906317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397562099 950451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um... < 1397562111 795315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the 8ball mechanicm has a physical d20 in it < 1397562116 404148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't handle more than 20 lines < 1397562121 746793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1397562126 943822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wc share/8ballreplies < 1397562127 425167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 21 69 342 share/8ballreplies < 1397562128 948252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i wasn't speaking about the 42. < 1397562136 708134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1397562149 596461 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Concantrate? let me check a source < 1397562198 656082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '21,$d' share/8ballreplies #More fun than `revert < 1397562200 188202 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397562240 385462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you mind if i add periods. < 1397562246 140088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Concantrate is definitely a typo < 1397562255 544431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More fun than a bucket of balls. < 1397562256 709247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we sohuld import the whole reply set again from a reliable source then < 1397562270 266839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1397562280 159211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Ah, you must mean the ISO standard of magic 8-ball replies. < 1397562298 529779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: from the POSIX-2014 utility? < 1397562308 287771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there ISO lways a standard < 1397562323 916206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, I think we follow that spec only if the POSIXLY_CORRECT environment variable is set, otherwise we use the more traditional replies < 1397562335 686627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan < 1397562373 200815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/Concantrate/Concentrate/;s/$/./' share/8ballreplies < 1397562374 284163 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397562379 852415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball < 1397562380 469190 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may rely on it. < 1397562393 134409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -c share/8ballreplies < 1397562393 625981 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :359 share/8ballreplies < 1397562399 243680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1397562408 555851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run : "I meant"; wc -l share/8ballreplies < 1397562409 29053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 share/8ballreplies < 1397562416 870677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are more fun: http://sprunge.us/jEBP < 1397562456 54712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rub grep -i defi share/8ballr* < 1397562456 531563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rub: not found < 1397562460 57425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -i defi share/8ballr* < 1397562460 710867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes definitely. < 1397562487 627803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url share/8ballreplies < 1397562488 328491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/share/8ballreplies < 1397562596 700635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, hm < 1397562695 223345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses the lack of text mime type < 1397562717 212786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/8ball < 1397562717 843710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/8ball < 1397562726 164899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has there been a text MIME type before? < 1397562759 77541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know. it is possible that IE has decided to be unreasonable about files without a suffix. < 1397562790 348386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server does say application/binary now, I was just wondering if it was different. < 1397562802 84260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1397562818 931298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's set by the hgweb script, though, and nothing I configurarated. < 1397562822 818464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm pretty sure i used to be able to view programs in bin/ < 1397562838 926498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it depends on the filename or some query parameter in the url? < 1397562854 681083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it _used_ to work for those files, then it stopped. < 1397562873 857661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall paste/ files breaking < 1397562885 479327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having to rename them to .txt to see them < 1397562911 968351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find -name '.htaccess' < 1397562913 936259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397562930 416474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we configure the web face from here? < 1397562930 843273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's _not_ inside /hackenv hth < 1397562946 185790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity < 1397562955 902837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can mess with it, however. < 1397562965 907005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie "can". whether Gregor would like it is another matter. < 1397562987 624199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seeing as he's hardly even around... < 1397562988 83636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he had me re-set it up when I was adding esolangs.org; they're served by the same web server. < 1397562996 232504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397563007 952411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this thing broke long before that. < 1397563036 515562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly when HackEgo itself moved, or even before. < 1397563082 989624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sent as Content-Type: application/binary combined with Content-Disposition: inline; filename="8ball" which I think is kind of ambiguous. < 1397563109 336312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "inline" disposition suggests automatic displayifying, but application/binary suggests it's not suitable for eyes. < 1397563115 308442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the .htaccess configuration file should be accessible from here so that when we create files we can tell their types to the webserver and stuff < 1397563138 993455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not served raw, there's a mercurial repository browser in the way. < 1397563143 641710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A .htaccess file would have no effect. < 1397563169 937012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well IE certainly insists on treating it as needing an application. < 1397563182 458965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some config files for that then < 1397563320 993124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet suggests hgweb should use the python mimetypes module and base the choice on extension, but even a .txt file comes out as application/binary. < 1397563351 207722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 6 weeks ago that i had to that ridiculous paste renaming < 1397563364 388973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to do < 1397563381 65954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log?rev=.txt < 1397563483 331448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was likely the first time i tried viewing pastes after HackEgo moved. < 1397563644 673798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Gregor moved the repository browser too at that time. < 1397563768 767338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a workaround, if you don't absolutely need the raw view, quite often dropping "raw-" from the URL -- as in, http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/share/8ballreplies -- might work. < 1397563783 323685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of unnecessary fluff, but at least it opens in the window. < 1397563911 70248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although the question is whether to change bin/url to do that. < 1397563917 400525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a config setting of "guessmime". < 1397563954 881350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to have been a security change. < 1397563962 420126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1397563976 230054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Before: hgweb made it possible to download file content with a content type detected from the file extension. It would serve .html files as text/html and could thus cause XSS vulnerabilities if the web site had any kind of session authorization and the repository content wasn't fully trusted." < 1397563988 837442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in this case "wasn't fully trusted" sounds like a good description. < 1397563998 126186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/url < 1397563998 602813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ print ("http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/" + \ urllib.quote(sys.argv[1])) < 1397564049 481986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/{,raw-}url; sed -i 's/raw-//' bin/url < 1397564051 44235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397564095 546984 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1397564096 147639 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url < 1397564102 61081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastewisdom < 1397564102 646399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ < 1397564122 240224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find | grep fshg < 1397564124 395380 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397564133 917816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1397564155 102583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deciding between 'text/plain' and 'application/binary' based on whether the file "looks" binary (the way it does if guessmime is on but mimetypes.guess_type returns None) might presumably have been a reasonably safe thing, too. < 1397564161 129659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1397564166 220888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :File names, not content. < 1397564169 756142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find | xargs grep fshg < 1397564182 155187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1397564184 221026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that too. < 1397564201 316444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: .: Is a directory \ grep: ./ibin: Is a directory \ grep: ./quines: Is a directory \ grep: ./bin: Is a directory \ ./bin/raw-url: print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ ./bin/raw-url: print ("http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/" + \ ./bin/pastewisdom:echo http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi < 1397564212 919205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, noisy. < 1397564227 47424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find -f | wc < 1397564227 588628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: unknown predicate `-f' \ 0 0 0 < 1397564235 431941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep whatever" is my typical quick-and-dirty look-inside tool. < 1397564235 934078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm possibly those were all the files, the rest use bin/url < 1397564237 935557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find -type f | wc < 1397564240 293435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 12986 13251 743328 < 1397564242 216705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid me. < 1397564266 978940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run du -sh . < 1397564269 279227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :524M . < 1397564290 267263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run du -sh / < 1397564302 474208 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why not just grep -R ? < 1397564308 71999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps grep -Rh < 1397564308 772575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :du: cannot read directory `/proc/tty/driver': Permission denied \ du: cannot read directory `/proc/1/task/1/fd': Permission denied \ du: cannot read directory `/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ du: cannot read directory `/proc/1/task/1/ns': Permission denied \ du: cannot read directory `/proc/1/fd': Permission denied \ du: cannot read dir < 1397564316 565843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1397564323 842530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run du -sh / 2>/dev/null < 1397564330 269872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6G / < 1397564348 939339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have my own crazy grep tool for some reason, but it's not really better.) < 1397564386 460479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a channel for spamming hackego by the way? or should I just do it in private message? < 1397564394 448414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that would mean remembering all the options of grep hth < 1397564414 871299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/url, bin/raw-url, bin/pastewisdom, quotes, wisdom/fizzie and a number of paste/paste.* are the entire set of files containing "fshg". < 1397564428 196690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: since I wrote my grep clone, I remember more than half of the optoins < 1397564430 273100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1397564431 53300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg < 1397564443 406504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for gnu grep < 1397564449 542659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a shame that comes out as application/binary. :/ < 1397564466 926175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually IE showed that picture just fine :P < 1397564477 247958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Heh. Chrome just saved it. < 1397564489 779555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course find | xargs grep can be useful too when you want some more complicated filter on the files < 1397564491 40401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pays some attention to the file extension, i assume. < 1397564501 481206 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E3BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397564501 672080 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E3BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397564501 672151 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397564558 742739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, firefox treats it as PDF?! < 1397564577 890477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I could Open in Browser As -> Image) < 1397564601 48090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thanks to the "Open in Browser" addon) < 1397564604 249977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the weirdest. < 1397564628 502386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes fizzie < 1397564630 254870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.12979 < 1397564691 628109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still a raw link in the sidebar, anyhow < 1397564706 555448 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/pdf.png < 1397564731 301525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue where it got that idea, hmm. < 1397564738 980977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am puzzled. < 1397564833 15713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. The server does reply with application/binary. And the first couple of bytes look nothing like PDF either. < 1397565632 654592 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397566606 740018 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397566774 769971 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397567711 789804 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397567945 697705 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397567997 991282 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397569398 194216 :CapitalSigma!~patrick@c-98-206-166-209.hsd1.il.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397570337 148218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397570793 225831 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397571807 168840 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgusmrgpmawbpozh QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397572812 388086 :HaliteTablet!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lajjnoxucrqcszri JOIN :#esoteric < 1397573092 490695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaliteTablet: aren't you banned? < 1397573127 260559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I guess not. < 1397573534 784064 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :Bender|shikhin < 1397573648 908619 :Bender|shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397573653 652397 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngwpzrqqkkuhjnhv JOIN :#esoteric < 1397573902 757750 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397574008 195354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaliteTablet: ...i didn't know you could put fluff in your NickServ metadata. < 1397574016 45491 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397574148 538071 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397574176 900744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ignition14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39330&oldid=39208 5* 03Luxen 5* (+1365) 10update for new commands < 1397574270 291179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nifty < 1397574273 920672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did we get that < 1397574297 118247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean wiki announcements? < 1397574323 335706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Luxen14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39331&oldid=39211 5* 03Luxen 5* (+63) 10/* finished products */ < 1397574339 964826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or NickServ metadata? < 1397574347 877026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHOOSE WISELY < 1397574440 989645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: YOU WERE TOO LATE; NOW YOU WILL NEVER KNOW EITHER. < 1397575107 684983 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1397575118 270175 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397575767 425176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aeon14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39332 5* 03Cptx032 5* (+4959) 10init < 1397575868 749544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39333&oldid=39322 5* 03Cptx032 5* (+11) 10/* A */ < 1397576015 297457 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397576388 361854 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397576872 665081 :jesyspa!~jesyspa@ip4da1331c.direct-adsl.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397577282 937578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you meant the wiki announcements, we got them on 2014-04-06. < 1397577815 743731 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397577940 929430 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397578261 274872 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any CLISPer around here? < 1397578385 29235 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does symbol to function coercing work? < 1397578421 317437 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why (funcall 'id 9) == (funcall #'id 9)? < 1397578700 219600 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1 (const) [1..] < 1397578700 477098 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1397578700 477182 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable foldl1 < 1397578705 585995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1397578744 557894 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one not lazy version of head . < 1397578779 85024 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evaling a list doesn't imply that the elements are evald, right? < 1397578816 973096 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm. foldl1 (const) [print "a", print "b"] only prints "a" < 1397578845 350927 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1 (printf "(const %s %s)") ["a","b","c","d"] < 1397578845 954275 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1397578845 954356 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable foldl1 < 1397578847 27672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(const (const (const a b) c) d)" < 1397578885 563432 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run foldl1 (printf "(const %s %s)") $ (:"") <$> ['a'..'z'] < 1397578887 216844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(const (const (const (const (const (const (const (const (const (const (cons... < 1397578899 961003 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run foldl1 (printf "(const %s %s)") $ (:"") <$> ['a'..'g'] < 1397578901 617432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "(const (const (const (const (const (const a b) c) d) e) f) g)" < 1397578932 786123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that has nothing to do with evaluation < 1397578941 730634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(print "b") does not print "b" even if you evaluate it < 1397578974 487156 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run [ print x | x <- [0..] ] < 1397578977 58140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [,,,,,,,,, head . foldl1 (const) $ [[1..], reverse [1..]] < 1397579013 716865 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:23:When elaborating an application of function 09Control.Category..: < 1397579014 313476 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable foldl1 < 1397579014 999000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1397579040 736863 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- according to my definition of eval, the above would run forever if each element where eval'd < 1397579087 423409 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing your definition is wrong, then < 1397579108 829676 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... at least we now have established that my definition is indeed wrong :) < 1397579120 37942 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's in idris's Control.Cat < 1397579142 323993 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the same thing, but with actual proofs < 1397579159 221259 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, then... what's the correct terminology? < 1397579162 595731 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"execution"? < 1397579223 19818 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously it's not trying to reverse an infinite list) < 1397579257 672347 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run foldl1 const [a, b] < 1397579259 419411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘b’ < 1397579259 610115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.b’, defined at L.hs:155:1 < 1397579259 610178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : or ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.b’, < 1397579259 610214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from ‘Debug.SimpleReflect’ at L.hs:110:1-26 < 1397579259 610251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and originally defined in ‘simple-reflect-0.3.1:De... < 1397579268 52597 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1397579269 793486 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t b < 1397579271 221275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘b’ < 1397579271 416105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.b’, < 1397579271 416177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : defined at /home/lambda/.lambdabot/State/L.hs:155:1 < 1397579274 281304 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t L.b < 1397579275 549812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1397579283 229014 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run b < 1397579285 148753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘b’ < 1397579285 338812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.b’, defined at L.hs:155:1 < 1397579285 338880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : or ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.b’, < 1397579285 338918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from ‘Debug.SimpleReflect’ at L.hs:110:1-26 < 1397579285 338953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and originally defined in ‘simple-reflect-0.3.1:De... < 1397579294 606713 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ridiculous < 1397579296 839913 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run L.b < 1397579302 61795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1397579322 710065 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run foldl1 const [x, y] < 1397579324 488121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : x < 1397579440 421486 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "actual value" of y is never required < 1397579625 927179 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatev < 1397579627 843105 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1397580595 601953 :HaliteTablet!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lajjnoxucrqcszri QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397581029 463415 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have an example of the real huge C++ things you get out of Spirit < 1397581105 477091 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We get them using xpressive now < 1397581587 484973 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397581661 35534 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397582099 331258 :scoff!scoff@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-teasepoidrcryrit QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397582162 240292 :scoff!scoff@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-xxjhzfvrkxpxfwsk JOIN :#esoteric < 1397582363 398353 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1397582402 409861 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< 1397585163 556259 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397585565 714639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any good puzzle games where the primarrry mechanic is manipulating in turns different characters with different abilities in different positions of the same puzzle map? < 1397585993 781243 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397586164 663751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :supermegacomics.com is down?! < 1397586169 354834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long has this been the case < 1397586248 971394 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puzzle games? Well, there is the time I played a wesnoth campaign by reloading over and over < 1397586263 76512 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that wasn't very good < 1397586421 122550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. fish fillets has some asymmetry between the two agents < 1397586659 533445 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :others suggested thomas was along and lost vikings < 1397586779 23917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, lost vikings < 1397586783 236336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played that game < 1397586815 583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that certainly satisfies your thing < 1397586939 437979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I did not realize that "The Cave" was an elaborate Lost Vikings clone *g*. < 1397586985 380506 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397587234 696652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa < 1397587237 714091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this < 1397587341 626124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's GR8T! < 1397587460 924035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a non-steam non-ouya non-apple-app-store way to get it < 1397587650 119446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1397587684 515140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played the Steam version of "The Cave" < 1397587755 773095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would rather avoid Steam if possible < 1397587851 431403 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1397587851 672878 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1397587851 863500 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397587912 480715 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397587954 392312 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1397587954 745928 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1397587954 937000 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397588069 722889 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397588539 769579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Lost Vikings too. < 1397588549 963273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was very. < 1397588606 633807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Lost Vikings Two. < 1397588609 769863 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the game ... but not vividly < 1397588749 277023 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :driyoyleujiy < 1397588756 509916 :driyoyleujiy!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1397589019 143058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were arrows, and the guy with a shield. < 1397589024 554900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could stand on the shield. < 1397589221 429323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavian Airlines is running an ad campaign in SF in conjunction with the Visit {Sweden, Denmark, Finland} organizations, which caused me to notice that while the logos for the first two are based on their countries' respective flags, the logo for Visit Finland is a collection of misshapen circles http://www.visitfinland.com/ < 1397589335 759421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen that logo. It reminds me vaguely of the Aalto vases. < 1397589345 536471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not exactly the same shape.) < 1397589529 580106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Due to the huge volume of travel marketing and the plethora of potential travel destinations for tourists, the Fi < 1397589532 526932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnish Tourist Board recognized the need for renewing Finland's destination branding -- the need to stand out. Dis < 1397589535 522688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruptive strategy and design work resulted in countrybranding based on the key idea that in comparison with most o < 1397589538 564737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther countries, Finland is something else -- totally individual, unconventional and fresh. It is a welcome altern < 1397589541 520611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ative to places crowded with tourists. Finland's country branding breaks the conventions and clichés of travel ma < 1397589544 636150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :rketing, represents the true qualities of Finland in an ironic, yet positive way and communicates the attributes < 1397589547 543112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, creative, contrasts and credible." < 1397589550 91151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you didn't get that from the misshapen circles. < 1397589553 231683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also nice line breaks there.) < 1397589564 141177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're my own fault.) < 1397589573 312377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are nice < 1397589583 4885 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good countrybranding < 1397589584 179410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're disruptive, unconventional, and fresh < 1397589596 420279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're certainly dis < 1397589597 587543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruptive. < 1397589670 24046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I am very disappointed, because last summer we rented this silly tiny "smart fortwo" mini-car, and drove it to Hanko and back, and it was a very nice trip; but now when I went back to the rental company, they're apparently entirely phasing that thing out at the end of May. < 1397589697 314831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bummer < 1397589707 803537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure they were losing money and people weren't renting those things, but they should still keep them because I would like to rent one about once a year. < 1397589752 742766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should rent a TRAAAAAIN instead < 1397589760 121969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, they've started renting out the Tesla Model S, as the first place in Finland. < 1397589766 51817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiny < 1397589770 814546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you charge it? < 1397589771 4929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Last I heard, Tesla had sold a total of about twelve of them in Finland.) < 1397589776 192845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowhere, I'm sure. < 1397589793 664715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least nowhere outside the Helsinki region, I think there's a couple of charging stations hereabouts. < 1397589805 940894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Tesla-specific, so probably not very fast either. < 1397589877 791191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, there's a few here and there -- http://sahkoinenliikenne.fi/latauspisteet/ -- but it's still not a very dense network. < 1397589881 616476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an electric car startup in israel that had removable batteries and stations where you could swap them out for a fresh one < 1397589884 863025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think they failed < 1397589899 630285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite israel seeming like the ideal market for something like that < 1397589913 680461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A total of 45 in the whole of Finland, apparently. < 1397590007 351971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Model S also costs something like 200€/day to rent, while the smart fortwo was around 30€/day. < 1397590121 26794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/twelve/thirty/ (!) < 1397590150 43000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.humblebundle.com/ < 1397590154 284952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i've been set up < 1397590211 422714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know. < 1397590732 272585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finngenerator" "Have a try and find your inner Finn by changing your name. Just type your name here and let the generator tell you what you would be called if you were a Finn." < 1397590747 164280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the disruptive unconventional marketing reminds me of this classic: http://adage.com/images/random/0209/pepsi-arnell021109.pdf < 1397590750 858918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed my very typical Finnish name in, and got something completely different out. < 1397590774 519655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE GENERATOR HAS SPOKEN. FROM NOW ON YOU ARE CALLED: Ohto Viljanen" < 1397590777 265059 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397590799 956803 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is such a silly decree, ohto. < 1397590865 1471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was this automatically generated? < 1397590901 322993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it does remind me of a graph I saw that I cannot possibly find again. < 1397591002 817870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kritiikkiblogi.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/11_juhani_risku_johtaminen_funktio_kaava_johtaa-edesta-ja-esimerkilla_design-muoto-oppi-johtajuus-arkkitehtuuri-muotoilu-taide_leadership_organization.jpg gets pretty close. < 1397591008 897552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And is a pretty long link.) < 1397591061 644382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently Steve Jobs had a remarkably high levels of i and [noise].) < 1397591079 429392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the "leadership equation.") < 1397591276 879033 :evalj!~jeval@54027E42.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397591731 740479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find out how much it costs to rent a TRAAAAAIN -- or even just a single train carriage. (They had a couple of styles of those, but no pricing, just "contact us".) < 1397591756 772508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The university had some sort of a train event, I think. < 1397591757 194677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usually means "too damn much" < 1397591759 975146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, old times. "alt-x quite the game" < 1397591761 163169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also had a ship event. < 1397591790 664482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you want to offer your interest groups an unforgettable journey you can charter a whole train. Choose from dozens of car types to put together a conference train, a train for a festive occasion, an exhibition train or an event train; there is enough room for as many as 1500 persons." < 1397591800 795672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A private train is also the easiest way to go to a competition, a celebration, a conference or other occasion." < 1397591816 467256 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Quit: Oh god my bouncer is down help < 1397591823 274943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For further information please use our form or call --" < 1397591836 657900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can add special-purpose cars to chartered trains in addition to normal day cars." < 1397591846 552226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't say too much about what kind of cars. < 1397591875 430078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess probably the same conference/saloon/exhibition ones they offer to stick in a normal, non-private train, too. < 1397591892 430858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Choose from day cars, sleeping-cars or special-purpose cars for business or pleasure." < 1397591897 391002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last part sounds a bit sleazy. < 1397591952 458164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something a few of my friends would enjoy < 1397591960 256067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised they don't have a sauna car. < 1397591971 941127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a number of saunas on wheels in Finland, I know that much. < 1397592028 161446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you generally park them before using them, though. < 1397592066 828531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1397592075 880242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sauna.saunasessions.ca/category/mobile_saunas < 1397592083 811464 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397592101 554555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sauna moped. < 1397592204 836974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that Skipoli trailer sauna (the first photo in the list) parked around the university. < 1397592236 739054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39334&oldid=39328 5* 03Zerk 5* (+186) 10/* Sugar */ Formalized ''.'' as just another map. < 1397592406 270822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140415-smart.jpg why would you stop renting something this cute? < 1397592429 534922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start a web petition, those always have such an impact. < 1397592670 671109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I can confirm that you may download apk files for those games :) < 1397592718 128550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you see http://jalopnik.com/vandals-are-flipping-over-smart-cars-in-san-francisco-1560004013 < 1397592729 354792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw, and it made me sad. < 1397592841 951173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, the humblebundle thing is android-only < 1397592858 328806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right < 1397592870 951626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't even notice that. < 1397592876 784664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no way to get the game for the relevant platforms other than steam < 1397592879 925287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't the previous "mobile" bundles also desktop compatible? < 1397592890 297875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :some < 1397592894 427933 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not all of the games < 1397592974 554275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1397592977 931620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, already bought it < 1397592986 828994 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( aren't there android simulators ;) ) < 1397593653 310850 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397594375 502221 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397595479 228748 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397596009 370392 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397596009 653981 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397596212 522117 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397596704 342487 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397596760 478358 :evalj!~jeval@54027E42.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397596850 474439 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397596968 333807 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397597125 347393 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397597301 234460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39335&oldid=39334 5* 03Zerk 5* (+120) 10Removed half-baked importing /* Toplevel */ moved signedness handling to an extension. *abuses headers* < 1397597533 78386 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397597873 240999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397598096 160967 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397598207 354722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397598209 288142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morgecoin vitcoin ogdalgafficcoin modescoin falveollbercoin helpcoin hamccoin eoacoin yelcoin piocoin frogcoin lutingbraycoin ilossilandcoin ediumbraidcoin ozpurecoin prolcoin smunivarcoin attrecoin braebirccoin orrelazioncoin < 1397598255 523658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Evaling a list doesn't imply that the elements are evald, right? <-- no, also evaling an IO action like print "b" does not imply that it's actually _executed_. < 1397598274 353757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman Evaling a list doesn't imply that the elements are evald, right? <-- no, also evaling an IO action like print "b" does not imply that it's actually _executed_. < 1397598274 624679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397598591 797858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wat <-- someone presumably @let b = something < 1397598611 613403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and @let doesn't check for name conflicts with other modules. < 1397598623 322437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let map = 1 < 1397598625 206836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1397598632 169844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map < 1397598633 379091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘map’ < 1397598633 569694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.map’, < 1397598633 569781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : defined at /home/lambda/.lambdabot/State/L.hs:157:1 < 1397598638 499843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1397598638 970583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined. < 1397598671 532435 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qatjrgyhkbmgpvqp JOIN :#esoteric < 1397598685 335740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t b < 1397598686 538442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1397598910 928512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ther countries, Finland is something else -- totally individual, unconventional and fresh. It is a welcome altern <-- that's seriously meta-clichéed. < 1397598941 231500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helsinki did not seem un-touristy to me < 1397598947 915464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much that i wonder if it's ironically meant < 1397598950 187139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with the pub tram < 1397598961 298089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the exorbitantly priced restaurants and pubs < 1397598979 952461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um i am not talking about any resemblance to reality here. < 1397598987 131424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether true or not. < 1397598988 79891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1397598995 119079 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397599038 122110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get a design prize by being ironically meta-clichéed, i wonder. < 1397599040 249328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you were just understanding it wrong. < 1397599053 427720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: who, me? < 1397599146 689452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, kmc, when they did not see the true qualities. < 1397599154 848046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1397599636 901024 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397599637 370328 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397599679 344995 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397599844 258809 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Given a positive real vector x_i, how do I find a reasonably small r such that all r*x_i are close to integers? < 1397599899 173706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1397599906 449228 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :r=0 lolol < 1397599921 890890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were just one coordinate i'd use continued fractions. < 1397599923 688826 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unreasonably small, sorry < 1397599935 44139 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x_i is the estimated speed of the ith CPU, and r*x_i is the (integer) amount of work to schedule to it) < 1397600026 208594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the r*x_i need to fit in some known datatype? < 1397600029 831802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1397600046 258124 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i take it r is real too? < 1397600055 46357 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, r is an arbitrary scaling. < 1397600068 295118 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which, for practical purposes, should be nonzero) < 1397600080 112388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. in that case i'd also use continued fractions for _two_ coordinates :P < 1397600106 862379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know any theory for more than that. < 1397600234 217925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a bit of dynamic adjustment be simpler. < 1397600291 726216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :estimate how long until a CPU runs out of work, or thereabouts. < 1397600295 966544 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This system only has one synchronization primitive, and it is global < 1397600316 439767 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/only has/has only/ < 1397600378 844787 :jjestrel!zafirah@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397600633 598452 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/has only/only only has has only way way pon pon pon only has/ < 1397600645 286162 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this might be equivalent to the shortest-vector-in-lattice problem < 1397600646 449711 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397600726 662775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I blame coppro? < 1397600749 504557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering about that. < 1397600766 226245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(our newcomers) < 1397600781 675587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!welcome jjestrel jj2baile < 1397600782 239723 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :jjestrel: jj2baile: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1397600794 894647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it's only one person based on the prefix < 1397600819 723731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now walking outdoors on top of my limb and it's really painful and awkward. this was a mistake < 1397600832 6289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1397600865 827061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I said I was going to go out on a limb. < 1397600869 169217 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fashion of walking that doesn't involve being on top of your limbs < 1397600869 359567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh limb is not a human organ here < 1397600894 388535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: let's do the snakey-snake < 1397600914 253753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'm human. < 1397600914 506499 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best form of walking is biking < 1397600954 302719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which of the two nicks is the bf bot < 1397600959 691122 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's a fun thing? reading old science books that assert wrong facts < 1397600981 457905 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods oerjan in the non-human limbs < 1397600982 911024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or current science boks. < 1397601015 837165 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1397601016 28158 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1397601020 253241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sorry i'm all out < 1397601040 992001 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's harder to tell what's wrong with those, though < 1397601045 894643 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#test < 1397601053 969953 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$test < 1397601055 977361 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with this one it's like "maybe muscle works by folding" or "DNA replication is catalyzed by a single enzyme" < 1397601081 823422 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: which one of the jjes is a bot? < 1397601192 692223 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1397601214 249267 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not telling < 1397601230 129927 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and yes, you blame me < 1397601287 387778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but i don't think "out on a limb" refers to a human limb, in normal circumstances. < 1397601291 680176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was Bicyclidine something different than Bike? < 1397601309 220240 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: meanie. < 1397601319 283937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you realise I was making a joke right :P < 1397601336 286252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine is a patented copyrighted trademark hth < 1397601351 982734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i never! < 1397601394 875495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike used to be, back in the 19th century, but has long since expired. < 1397601423 140737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine will never expire. the megacorps will see to that. < 1397601462 736627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh my throat < 1397601492 14314 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that's what happens when you mistreat your human organs. < 1397601526 255825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't mistreating it, it started coughing all by itself < 1397601543 883205 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-(1-bicyclohexyl)piperidine) isn't allowed as an irc name, and also isn't good nomenclature anyway < 1397601609 842528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :a-123 < 1397601624 274553 :a-123!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1397601647 674976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you cannot have just numbers. < 1397601697 557940 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 NICK :` < 1397601720 611857 :`!~boily@96.127.201.149 NICK :boily < 1397601746 258836 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397601800 164770 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also can't start with numbers < 1397601913 379734 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably can't use parens either < 1397601996 983045 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :old information theory also great "Information is thus conveniently measured in the probability units called bits" < 1397602381 992189 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397602810 473439 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :jjcoppro < 1397603261 171165 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, elliott: I am in fact not jjestrel < 1397603274 918669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised < 1397603275 389103 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, !welcome makes me think of "not welcome" ;P < 1397603290 937280 :jesyspa!~jesyspa@ip4da1331c.direct-adsl.nl QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397603321 285285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses! < 1397603321 815608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jj2baile, how's this < 1397603323 394291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1397603323 964135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: relcome: not found < 1397603328 310581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :did < 1397603333 782310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone delete relcome < 1397603341 156081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is really not paying attention lately. < 1397603344 176497 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott deleted them all with extreme prejudice. < 1397603353 534898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1397603354 748827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... < 1397603381 201613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't i have popcorn for this. < 1397603387 383061 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1397603388 110531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/WeLcOmE: 2: /hackenv/bin/WeLcOmE: welcome: not found < 1397603414 420027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they were annoying and only (over)used to make people feel unwelcome :/ < 1397603421 180458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm, so that is still there, but broken because the plain welcome is gone < 1397603455 309149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should just be one for people who have already demonstrated they're here for the wrong kind of esoterica (in fact I think there already is?) and we can just, you know, say hi to the rest < 1397603494 861028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that's what plain `welcome was. < 1397603522 776507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: his deletion may not have been case insensitive. < 1397603525 886651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the least evil of them, yeah. < 1397603546 126303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbows aren't evil! < 1397603577 93384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I won't bother deleting them again if someone really cares enough to readd them... < 1397603657 519726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :running the 'wrong esoteric mate' one through rainbow is, i feel, an acceptable compromise < 1397603681 481447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. < 1397603762 702363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mapped < 1397603763 928676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Settable f1, Functor f) => (a -> f1 b) -> f a -> f1 (f b) < 1397603776 802416 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapped is a traversal, right? < 1397603812 87110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a setter < 1397603832 693351 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397603861 318402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a Functor is a setter is a Functor < 1397603921 208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t traversed < 1397603922 180367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Indexable Int p, Traversable f, Applicative f1) => p a (f1 b) -> f a -> f1 (f b) < 1397603935 868012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a Traversable is a traversal is a Traversable < 1397603938 892041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t folded < 1397603940 157163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Contravariant f1, Indexable Int p, Foldable f, Applicative f1) => p a (f1 a) -> f a -> f1 (f a) < 1397603955 248424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a Foldable is a fold. < 1397604188 43060 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah and then suddenly #esoteric looked like #haskell < 1397604200 217666 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I momentarily thought my irssi was just glitching < 1397604202 884435 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens about half the time < 1397604209 592267 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent, I approve. < 1397604220 580483 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also have an idris bot < 1397604239 799091 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a uh, whatever applybot does. some math bullshit. ain't got time for dat < 1397604252 580562 :cdchawthorne!~cdchawtho@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-68.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397604281 965930 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :applybot: help < 1397604282 193468 :applybot!~applybot@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : Meta-commands: colour context help info load* restart shutdown* state timeout* undo unicode unload* \ Isabelle commands: apply by declare defer definition done find_theorems fun function lemma oops prefer primrec quickcheck term termination thm try0 typ unfolding using value < 1397604288 582816 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that did something. < 1397604315 525668 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so isabelle < 1397604335 218162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: *+nobody < 1397604349 976695 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1397604376 251393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't nobody got time for leaving off the nobody < 1397604388 706680 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i was pro dropping < 1397604392 632506 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[i] ain't got time for that < 1397604392 823235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdchawthorne: okay explain yourselves. < 1397604404 464637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's pro dropping < 1397604422 42616 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This channel was casually mentioned in our home channel < 1397604426 553384 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a few people were curious < 1397604427 457931 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronoun dropping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-drop_language < 1397604464 21049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about the drop < 1397604466 17532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jj2baile: as long as we don't have to ban dbelange again < 1397604474 522291 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitchezzzzz < 1397604475 744121 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh god < 1397604482 317402 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have known as much < 1397604489 273776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1397604494 525521 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, feel free to ban dbelange as much as you want :p < 1397604494 889940 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was deblagne again? the puzzle person? < 1397604508 658787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: no, somebody terrible from coppro's university :p < 1397604515 216540 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's of no concern to me, just don't like ban the subnet or something < 1397604525 783515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just ban canada...? < 1397604533 878417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we wouldn't be missing much, right. < 1397604538 907934 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eille! < 1397604542 690653 :jj2baile!~jon@corn-syrup.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's happened to me before in #physics, I joined, was assumed to be dbelange, and *csclub was banned) < 1397604547 436409 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of disappointed that the hostname from my school doesn't tell you what computer i'm on < 1397604550 444593 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second... < 1397604573 896545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: è bellissima < 1397604599 373302 :Fixie__!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397604613 141056 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope, it's all fucked :( < 1397604619 909884 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear it used to tell you the exact computer i was on < 1397604624 266265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "partially pr-drop" < 1397604624 776410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear i had dbelange's name stuck in my head a while ago for some reason < 1397604626 998845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd he do here < 1397604627 641784 :Fixie__!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 QUIT :Client Quit < 1397604674 326383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd `pastelogs but I guess `pastelogs no longer works < 1397604685 445109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1397604713 680194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover < 1397604715 335015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist. < 1397604769 873028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo >wisdom/phantom_hoover 'Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop.' < 1397604771 621556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397604779 17268 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2014/04/14/true-story-coders-childhood-noob-professors/ < 1397604793 75349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be a malcolm tucker joke in this < 1397604815 874703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i think the freenode channel name guidelines are only actually there to sow discord and strife < 1397604824 162915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Gregor moved HackEgo to a different server from where the logs are. on the plus side the wiki is now also there, so we get the announcements. < 1397604839 964844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397604867 967896 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ♪ding♪ you are enlooped! < 1397604908 301880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+o < 1397604950 796482 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enloooped? < 1397604972 313089 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooover < 1397604988 717104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover NICK :Phantoom_Hoover < 1397605086 631317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should do more far-too-late corrections if this is the usual kind of result < 1397605703 830071 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2014/02/18/side-project-cycles/ < 1397606342 373980 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397606717 217852 :Phantoom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397608377 91936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> bed < 1397608737 477197 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397609463 519427 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ORTHONORMAL CHICKEN < 1397609771 875137 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39336&oldid=39313 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10Let's compromise on the spelling < 1397609932 503728 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397610082 404505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39337&oldid=39318 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+13) 10I think a TOC is appropriate for this article even with just 3 sections < 1397610090 49051 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axthetic < 1397610222 262223 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: what the hell is Ax < 1397610360 702322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Keya14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39338&oldid=39321 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+15) 10wikitable and some rephrasing for grammar/consistency < 1397610376 673586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno it was just added < 1397610389 427108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand that article < 1397610440 243193 :cdchawthorne!~cdchawtho@wn-campus-nat-129-97-124-68.dynamic.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397610455 676719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't particularly try to read it < 1397610461 821563 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1397610463 523112 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1397611177 566176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SSBPL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39339&oldid=31003 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+48) 10wikitable, add spaces to avoid accidental table markup, consistent capitalization < 1397611274 246058 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope my defense of lens in concatenative was adequate/sane < 1397611294 889843 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bespin.org/~nef/logs/concatenative/14.04.15 < 1397611317 692905 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397611386 654224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39340&oldid=39333 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+67) 10Add [[User:EzoLang]]'s list of languages < 1397611408 266913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't argue with evincar < 1397611795 955891 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397611830 482518 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397612091 879784 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397612568 530264 :jjcoppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1397613257 554566 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397614065 907039 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397615313 616400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1397615614 391686 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1397615621 863760 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1397615781 568381 :LucienG!~lpghatguy@host-69-146-144-8.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397615783 577261 :LucienG!~lpghatguy@host-69-146-144-8.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p/ < 1397615793 168297 :LucienG!~lpghatguy@host-69-146-144-8.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lpghatguy) < 1397615806 470423 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1397615946 540829 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the numbers here seem wrong http://primes.utm.edu/mersenne/LukeMirror/lit/lit_039s.htm < 1397616040 538600 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Table 1 supposedly shows the values of (3^(2^(2^n-1)) mod (2^(2^n)+1)) mod 2^36, 2^36-1, 2^35-1 for several n.) < 1397616510 997199 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sup LucienG < 1397617472 732013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397617474 553174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :audacoin easyendocoin sardinalcoin bacacoin soundedintercoin gooilcoin crtlasscoin codentaurehecoin iotcoin addlecocoin forceiccoin factcoin datedcoin paracoin ringthesquecoin ungecoin heitkeecoin daturncoin varocoin comcoin < 1397617794 445810 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397618429 940445 :LucienG!~lpghatguy@host-69-146-144-8.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1397620211 403429 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mashape.com/nsure-io/porn-filter#!endpoint-porn this is the best startup ever < 1397621158 774154 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397621231 307756 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397621936 798511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39341&oldid=39335 5* 03Zerk 5* (+391) 10Ints should not pattern-match as vectors. (So *that*'s why I had it that way initially!) < 1397623911 164185 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/234iem/bitundo_allowing_you_to_undo_bitcoin_transactions/ < 1397624301 734999 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1397624688 652510 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397624716 720399 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397627026 327002 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some people are signing up to a mining pool with the purpose of destroying transactions? < 1397627192 830193 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn right < 1397627228 780824 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess btc has hit the big time < 1397627860 860467 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397628128 211633 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397628161 399852 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397628161 628781 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1397628177 373693 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is monad-peel obsolete? < 1397628183 311820 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn how those sorts of things work < 1397628311 974461 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397628432 446075 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397630975 541539 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1397631018 408124 :AndroidKitKat!70cfa691@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.207.166.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397631072 36228 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397631967 311893 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397633370 438943 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397634433 467711 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397635788 692478 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397636415 932407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1397636675 368161 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@27.253.115.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397636675 667415 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397636875 915981 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi shachaf < 1397636938 275033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just looking through old files and i found this line: "Oh, well *all* know that; / But it's undeniable Tom has the better hat." < 1397636942 759655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1397637665 780556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed/ < 1397637671 390943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have a movie to see < 1397637673 467564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye! < 1397639106 345336 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397639403 392090 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397640082 310889 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qatjrgyhkbmgpvqp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397641209 319711 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397641225 265527 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397641240 238121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an implementation for maintaining some kind of balanced search tree in a database using triggers, where the search tree lets you search among rows of a particular table according to a key column? < 1397641307 781526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the setup of a "database in your database" joke? < 1397641404 591226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sort of... but not quite < 1397641481 208211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :database in database is different, that'd be when you store the raw representation of database not in a few files on the filesystem but instead in a few blobs in another database. < 1397641522 365334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's an implementation of such a search tree already, I'd like to look at it < 1397641551 262814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there isn't, then I'll think of whether it's possible to implement it, probably using a treap, and maybe even try an implementation < 1397641647 528587 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is made out of relations, are you allowed to call it a family tree? < 1397641665 884669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to figure out an X-in-your-X format thing referring to putting a handcrafted index into a database system (presumably) supporting indices, but couldn't. < 1397641706 375803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the database would have to support some form of indexes for this to work in first place, < 1397641730 130130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this way you could implement more powerful indexes and indexed queries than what the database supports < 1397641741 911796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also much slower). < 1397641761 544466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds the kind of thing you'd find zzo38 doing in SQLite. < 1397641800 535120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I should ask zzo38 then? ok < 1397642293 629232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397642480 475309 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397643398 724212 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397643447 495751 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397644057 451078 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397645536 512483 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397645714 14242 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397645714 669160 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397645930 320473 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF90597.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397645930 644407 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF90597.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397645930 852652 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397646056 373650 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: METHYLATED CHICKEN < 1397646058 91326 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397646092 275949 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mona 250b intro for Atari 8-bit http://youtu.be/0NHaFS9YJBE < 1397648118 629224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/234iem/bitundo_allowing_you_to_undo_bitcoin_transactions/cgtoivc bitcoiners ignorant of game theory, tragedy of commons; news at 11 < 1397648509 332702 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397648715 699434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I've heared of cobol PICTURE codes, I wonder if our galactic sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha was named of one < 1397648818 468573 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397650273 844016 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i went to a prof today asking for a bachelor thesis i could make < 1397650287 787487 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentioned i like esoteric languages < 1397650305 741434 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could make a compiler as a thesis project < 1397650366 102248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language could i choose? also: would my own language (wolfgang) be possible without that much work? < 1397650417 661295 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :bffc could use some optimizations < 1397650441 984422 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, be serious < 1397650633 87584 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397653353 989893 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397655037 236371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397655638 531259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is bffc < 1397655715 900233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfgang looks immineNtly compilable < 1397655812 752650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck was the 'previously closed tabs' thing removed from chrome < 1397655816 118924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was so useful < 1397655892 908623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's why i've been unable to undo tab closure hmm < 1397655904 654981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i agree chrome just isn't as awesome as it used to be < 1397656669 412406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks Phantom_Hoover could possibly approve of today's xkcd. < 1397656683 151931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1397656703 844235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ksp isn't that representative of real-world orbital mechanics < 1397656891 922870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's in history now I think < 1397656922 488826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see anything there... < 1397656922 679414 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397656938 760157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's under The Menu now < 1397657016 644826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't get over them wasting half the new tab page on a completely redundant google search box < 1397657033 21153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear they used to be good at ui design < 1397657168 265166 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397657204 202635 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397657251 165869 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397657797 110741 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Right, but miners wouldn't want transaction reversal to become a problem for the network because it would destroy the value of Bitcoin (and thus their ASICs)." amazing < 1397657826 312885 :Patashu[Zzz]!~Patashu@27.253.115.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397657910 42480 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1308.5164 this has a certain charm :3 < 1397657933 585798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it's even by a hungarian < 1397660079 531997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39342&oldid=35357 5* 03GreyKnight 5* (+399) 10/* multiple matches */ new section < 1397660141 834389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1397660146 30575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like someone is trying to implement eodermdrome. < 1397660270 897759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary stuff < 1397660316 311132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39343&oldid=39342 5* 03Phantom Hoover 5* (+177) 10/* multiple matches */ < 1397660544 14385 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: suggest a language i could write a compiler for, which is not awfully hard! < 1397660564 443303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now that eodermdrome is taken... < 1397660611 811226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397660624 131078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know he's making a compiler! < 1397660637 642079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1397660647 524550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact i haven't even looked at the page) < 1397660679 718206 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome looks pretty hard at first sight. that may be because i didn't fully understand it < 1397660707 948937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a timey-wimey graph of ...stuff. < 1397660712 259720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that feather. < 1397660766 280073 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that claiming i will write a feather compiler does not work as bachelor thesis < 1397661139 578401 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397661910 6391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, eodermdrome's main problem, afaiu, is efficiently implementing the subgraph match algorithm < 1397661923 179411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: if you invent time travel and all you get for it is a bachelor thesis then you've done something wrong ;) < 1397661931 113801 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: true < 1397661947 179031 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'd rather implement twoducks, then < 1397661975 524407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1397662985 820489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long has bf been the featured language now? it seems like ages < 1397662990 667784 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish it changed monthly < 1397663339 753560 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397663647 3994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it change by making sure there is a good article about a language, and then suggesting it as featured. < 1397663654 408247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's my understanding, anyway. < 1397663807 453034 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1397663901 459329 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397664306 565696 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397664693 444112 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397666362 497408 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mezbditcrtorlfiz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397666524 560105 :password2!~password@197.78.151.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397666602 889778 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397666778 698945 :Sprockle1!~Sprocklem@199.167.25.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397666835 336924 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1397667014 812175 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397667024 936736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: i'd rather implement twoducks, then < 1397667033 62474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could totally implement twoducks by backtracking < 1397667087 991973 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i make that programm that prints the sum of two numbers before it asks for them < 1397667145 512326 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397667296 48156 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397667297 636135 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397667370 830742 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nuculaway < 1397667491 402629 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: freenode < 1397667491 632595 :Sprockle1!~Sprocklem@199.167.25.114 QUIT :Quit: freenode < 1397667514 132804 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397667517 828775 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1397667537 496857 :Guest72113!~Sprocklem@199.167.25.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397667537 687310 :Guest72113!~Sprocklem@199.167.25.114 QUIT :Changing host < 1397667537 687370 :Guest72113!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397667580 264044 :Guest72113!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1397667938 530922 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("4\nPlease enter 2 and 2:\n"); < 1397668075 922687 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no < 1397668218 664513 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're doing it as a thesis, shouldn't it be awfully hard < 1397668244 500213 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for a bachelor < 1397668845 12314 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397668885 584359 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem < 1397668954 268936 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397669288 835440 :nuculaway!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nucular < 1397669330 369954 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397669345 816081 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397669737 63310 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397671612 391664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: have it print a random number. then, ask for input. if the numbers don't add up to the output number, destroy the universe. if the multiverse theory is true, anyone who observes the functioning of your program (which correspond to those living in universes that picked the right numbers) will see that it functions correctly. < 1397671640 260971 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea < 1397671648 566072 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397671656 267721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is probably mroally required here to remind users that entering values which do not sum to the printed value will result in their immediate nonexistence. This will have the beneficial side effect of increasing the number of universes in which the program succeeds.) < 1397671700 387794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more people will questioning if it really works < 1397671753 96079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they are more than welcome to test it if they don't mind having the blood of who knows how many entire species on their hands! < 1397671792 979069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may result in even less universes in which the program succeeds < 1397671801 934410 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to be awkward if your prng isn't actually based on wavefunction collapse to any great extent and you destroy everything < 1397671806 485903 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397671806 676392 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 QUIT :Changing host < 1397671806 676476 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397671843 835658 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is critical that you use a real RNG. sample the CMBR or something < 1397672012 877594 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that collapses a wavefunction? < 1397672147 505011 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397672331 16831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397672936 511324 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397672971 666199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of waveform collapse is kind of antithetical to many-worlds < 1397673002 855344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that differentiates one universe from another will do < 1397673097 158994 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the idea was that wavefunction collapse was actually the observer wavefunction being entangled (entrained?) with the observed wavefunction, so that probability amplitudes outside a particular basis are no longer observed < 1397673115 139257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397673147 574427 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's pretty much it. but that's not really a "collapse" of the wavefunction. More of a refactoring. < 1397673158 61265 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just mean something that looks like a collapse. < 1397673164 83578 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397673174 528025 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there't nothing terribly quantum if i get a RNG by sampling microweather or whatever < 1397673242 381784 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well technically there is < 1397673250 514733 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since all matter is quantum < 1397673254 130247 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes < 1397673254 862709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CMBR reflects the interactions of the matter of the universe at the timescale of yoctoseconds after the big bang or something like that. it should have plenty of distinguishing power between universes < 1397673265 559627 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaat < 1397673269 771605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that too far back though < 1397673276 924649 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CMB is from like 300.000 years after the big bang < 1397673281 563592 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you want to keep universes that are mostly like this one < 1397673295 408545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: oh. damn. may not be useful then. < 1397673301 34084 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the only remaining universes after your twoducks program are ones where triple alpha never happened to happen or something you'd have a problem! < 1397673305 334073 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you wouldn't, since you wouldn't exist < 1397673333 472551 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two Duck probably wouldn't work with a physical implementation < 1397673340 625954 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sad to know if anyone who actually knew quantum physics was here they'd be shuddering at me < 1397673343 820063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, what your observation of the CMBR would really differentiate between is microweather state like you said, but also the time at which you chose to make the observation. < 1397673344 241696 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that depends on how you implement time travel < 1397673350 68306 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know QM! < 1397673405 518412 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best thing about time travel is that it makes general relativity non-deterministic technically < 1397673407 916089 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: suggest a random number mechanism that would distinguish between similar universes < 1397673460 542055 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that much about MWI < 1397673465 459278 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://photonics.anu.edu.au/qoptics/Research/qrng.php < 1397673468 590344 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since it is deterministic, I guess none < 1397673502 211424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...good point. < 1397673510 540188 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suggest a RNG that would make it look like we're distinguishing between similar universes to an entangled observer" < 1397673525 541348 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that kind of fucks up the whole 'destroy the universe' joke, doesn't it, since you don't really have multiple universes per se < 1397673549 266763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well better to make it physically accurate than funny :) < 1397673555 61745 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing to remember is that quantum interpretations are not actually physics < 1397673559 262317 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are metaphysics < 1397673566 370235 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qrng.anu.edu.au/ i like how there's actually several of these < 1397673586 552114 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Starting tmux < 1397673591 515022 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "random" can also depend on metaphysical points < 1397673628 472878 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried reading everett's thesis once but it turns out ui don't know any physics < 1397673641 223949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :random is not the important thing. the important thing is that it be something that is different in universes where different people are likely to pick different numbers. < 1397673670 478834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same across all universes that contain people < 1397673671 322799 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well between two different universe there will be at least one quantum measurement differing < 1397673672 672055 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1397673699 677641 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so is mwi based on there being "actual" multiple universes or not. < 1397673707 772507 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "actual" < 1397673716 194708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is not "one" monolithic mwi < 1397673757 305383 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that quantum theory, due to various experiments, has found out that the theory cannot be, at the same time, local, deterministic and unique < 1397673766 436083 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to base my understanding on everett since it seems unlikely he said something dumb, unlike "what the bleep do we know" and suchlike < 1397673819 314632 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie it can't respect relativity in every aspect (not allowing instantaneous action at a distance), have the same results for the same events and be in one universe < 1397673829 961219 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's like, is mwi is based on there being one universal wavefunction, and what we observe as wavefunction collapse is locking ourselves (as subfunctions) into a particular basis wrt the observed < 1397673833 560071 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copenhagen isn't deterministic, Bohm isn't local and MWI isn't unique < 1397673841 346337 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a bunch of others that break one of these < 1397673846 475218 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the "other universes" are just parts of the wavefunction in different bases < 1397675226 754083 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1397675233 588056 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1397675245 875868 :password2!~password@197.78.146.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397675605 819957 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397675748 885399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397675808 140058 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1397675808 462548 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1397675808 653066 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397676256 240556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this channel has discussions on strange topics < 1397676312 559073 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell I could talk about time travel physics for hours <3 < 1397676347 562402 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try implementing an interpreter for a twoduck-like someday < 1397676356 679848 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a quantum computer that allows closed timelike curves < 1397676358 108134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :few things are more esoteric than quantum mechanics < 1397676371 554455 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But damn it's not gonna be easy < 1397676388 958231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: BSc thesis in what science? and you want a compiler from or to an esoteric language? < 1397676407 711068 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd basically have to run the program over his entire timeline < 1397676408 757377 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1397676420 907842 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's a way to do it for all programs, but like < 1397676433 176121 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it for a machines where the halting problem is decidable < 1397676444 488280 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a Two Duck automaton < 1397676468 739302 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: computer science < 1397676482 422886 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: from would be more useful, i assue < 1397676485 37360 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1397676486 466535 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*m < 1397676499 541729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1397676563 539222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember someone wrote a compiler for K (the APL-like language) as his PhD thesis. That's of course impossible, because you can write stuff in K that's so dynamic that there's no chance to determine anything in advance, < 1397676578 888088 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K is a pun on J? < 1397676595 823002 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K? < 1397676602 967370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he wrote a compiler that tries to figure out as much as possible about the data types and other invariants, and compile what it could. < 1397676626 604436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: probably. or maybe APLers just like brevity and so they choose single-letter names < 1397676633 581907 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is K < 1397676634 256890 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i am aiming a bit lower than that < 1397676643 296803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it's a semi-successful APL-like language of whose derivative Q is used in business < 1397676649 77767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which of K or Q this guy compiled < 1397676666 562431 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i neither knew K nor Q but J < 1397676682 661766 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about C < 1397676684 310064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it's an APL-like that tries to be efficient so it like doesn't check overflow and doesn't upgrade values to larger types when they overflow, etc < 1397676710 118500 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why use an APL like and not C < 1397676710 310944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has lambdas, has a smaller set of primitives than C, fewer higher order functions, < 1397676714 331510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/C/J/ sorry < 1397676722 630648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1397676750 170622 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway < 1397676752 703447 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking 'bout it < 1397676763 55132 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think doing a two-duck like should be doable to implement < 1397676767 451398 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a machine that always halts < 1397676771 850677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it semantically has only rank 1 inhomogenous array, though homogenous and higher rank arrays are stored in an optimized fashion. < 1397676786 880155 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the Novikov principle, to avoid weird time travel stuff < 1397676797 567351 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You calculate the entire program in advance < 1397676810 999532 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then output each time slice sequentially < 1397676861 94794 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: that still won't do with IO < 1397676885 586078 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you don't need IO < 1397676888 807555 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just use output < 1397676893 587133 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theallium.com/science-life/scientists-reportedly-close-to-finding-a-use-for-linkedin/ < 1397676900 42750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's two-duck? < 1397676903 170167 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun is that < 1397676919 321235 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't think I can write an interpreter to communicate with the past unfortunately < 1397676927 878351 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://esolangs.org/wiki/TwoDucks < 1397676928 938402 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two-Duck is a time travel based esoland < 1397676936 397292 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get the pun congrats < 1397676953 88379 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1397676985 736261 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1397676989 108062 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME PAIR OF DUCKS < 1397676994 956615 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1397677024 519743 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds invader zimish < 1397677039 423817 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(paradox) < 1397677103 894736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I See < 1397677177 303835 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a quantum computer kind of thing it should be mostly paradox free < 1397677217 259676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way. two duck is much more powerful than a quantum computer. < 1397677244 15419 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's because it allows timeline alterations < 1397677266 132436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1397677267 811883 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you go the David Deutsch way, it only allows for consistent timelines < 1397677277 248019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without tiem travel it would be just an ordinary language < 1397677289 212498 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the quantum states sent along closed timelike curves become mixed < 1397677567 535122 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397678441 825324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits will fix my time paradox < 1397678510 839849 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVL1crIccRI < 1397678558 990114 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no specific language idea for me? < 1397678606 166432 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you looking for < 1397678637 450637 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to write a compiler for with a fair amount of work < 1397678685 414199 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm just gonna pimp my own language I guess : http://esolangs.org/wiki/Limp < 1397678686 137698 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397678697 428152 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was too lazy to implement that one < 1397678739 844559 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about my own language as well, but i am quite unsure how hard it would be < 1397678789 364160 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also define "a fair amount of work" < 1397678814 955430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i want to make it a bachelor thesis < 1397678902 122095 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any particular preference? < 1397678912 50918 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like functional or procedural or whatevs < 1397678942 485532 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think procedural are a lot easier to compile (at least if i want to compile to c or assembly) < 1397678952 202407 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tends to be yeah < 1397678965 966802 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cellular automatons also aren't too hard < 1397678984 19427 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like which language? < 1397678998 24376 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game of life < 1397679007 576719 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The electronic-based one, I forget which < 1397679013 322735 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule 110 automaton! < 1397679021 928637 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :electronic-based? you mean von neumann's? < 1397679023 198550 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ant-based one < 1397679025 731185 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1397679031 35112 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conway's < 1397679033 531910 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wireworld < 1397679038 276238 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, wireworld < 1397679039 349535 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VonNeumann_CA_demo.gif < 1397679041 494986 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pulsin' < 1397679078 214619 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullying automatons are fun, too < 1397679081 445890 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397679141 118289 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullying isn't cool myname < 1397679144 483349 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they may be really hard to compile < 1397679189 215279 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i don't get what's special about limp < 1397679195 139885 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except its name < 1397679197 162258 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing < 1397679201 818608 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is miiiine~ < 1397679214 704868 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks funny < 1397679215 295612 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I just mashed a lot of the functional languages together < 1397679238 520199 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a lot of the greek letter based one < 1397679240 539362 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the name < 1397679498 31611 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about pi calculus? < 1397679499 776350 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1397679505 555311 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implement it with actual parallelism < 1397679511 855083 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be hard < 1397679531 383554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : The ant-based one < 1397679535 107616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :langton's ant? < 1397679547 25416 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1397679564 622391 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like make a pi calculus language for some quadcore processor < 1397679588 867525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is pi calculus? < 1397679605 66354 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pi calculus is the abstraction of parallel computing < 1397679678 899950 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo digamma calculus < 1397681089 435637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read (part of) djb's paper "Understanding brute force" last night < 1397681120 848008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about how a parallel computer can do brute force key search at a much better price:performance ratio than a serial computer < 1397681130 426309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and complaining that cryptographers often ignore this fact < 1397681165 432043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true even in a theoretical model which lacks some of the engineering factors that make parallel computers better in the real world < 1397681221 49832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of it comes down to, if you have a huge amount of memory then you should have a proportional amount of cores, otherwise you are not using the memory very efficiently < 1397681265 921308 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory is dirth cheap today though < 1397681270 703771 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disproportionately to CPUs < 1397681325 129758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also slow < 1397681341 32008 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also shitty BUSs < 1397681361 290848 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey do you remember that episode of the Magic School Bus on computers? < 1397681361 810976 :password2!~password@197.78.146.190 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397681366 471849 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bus was driving on the BUS! < 1397681367 516168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1397681398 165887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: general purpose CPU cores are complicated and expensive, but a circuit that just does AES and talks to some local memory is tiny and you can fabricate a lot of them on a single wafer < 1397681409 886431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in this machine they're only connected to their neighbors < 1397681410 821482 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to phone < 1397681417 750089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the interconnect doesn't need to be super fast < 1397681429 160528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397681451 311448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if you had one small cpu per 64k (or so) of your 4-8GB ram, that's ~half a shitload of cpus < 1397681466 408779 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet it could play crysis though < 1397681469 42283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're in the realm where a brute force attack on AES is remotely plausible then you're talking about spending billions of dollars on fully custom hardware < 1397681558 396068 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397681572 96308 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, anybody got any good examples for this http://mnxmnkmnd.tumblr.com/post/82876163079/dead-theories < 1397681579 886386 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397681736 843446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one small cpu" that's starting to sound like the GA144. < 1397681782 330412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't have quite that many CPUs, and they're p. small. < 1397681837 655904 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, is this a flow computer < 1397681897 508521 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike : Platonic physics! < 1397681901 4311 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is way wrong < 1397681909 198121 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was the pre-experimental era of physics < 1397681909 705423 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any. < 1397681915 815331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some about aristotle's. < 1397681923 942983 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, Aristotle < 1397681937 23900 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the whole, what was it, things keep moving because of wind < 1397681941 236334 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of too many theories that are way wrong? < 1397681941 548126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh yeah, Aristotle" makes it sound like you knew him personally. < 1397681955 27915 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there's some charmingly old timey ones < 1397681959 907565 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ring-shaped electrons < 1397681980 552277 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i was trying to exclude classical science, because it's mostly just old guys making things up < 1397681993 827799 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to real science, which is old guys making stuff up but having to convince other old guys of it for money < 1397681996 667712 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is he called "Aristotle" in english when his name was Ἀριστοτέλης? < 1397681998 216668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aristotle aristotle was a bugger for the bottle < 1397682009 788704 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harris Turtle < 1397682011 140167 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397682017 466084 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: probably warping through persian intermediates < 1397682026 164039 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just europeans being bad at languages as per usual < 1397682035 724017 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :very possible < 1397682056 401536 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting that finnish uses pretty-direct transliteration "Aristoteles" < 1397682057 521444 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i think part of it is like i said, it hasn't happened so much in physics. < 1397682058 390313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1397682058 775400 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti : why is Ἄνουβις in greek when his egyptian name is inpw < 1397682078 57484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be more of a thing that you would translate names for a different language < 1397682078 585417 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not that i know of. i ain't a physicist. hell yea < 1397682081 355344 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there's plenty of wrong theories in physics, certainly < 1397682090 772139 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the most part, they weren't like < 1397682090 993535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of the names we use today are based on n steps of translation, I guess < 1397682095 336557 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experimentally very wrong < 1397682097 307679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you were a scientist you had to have a latin name < 1397682106 48051 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite warped name is avicenna < 1397682130 76715 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey what about < 1397682134 600341 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lamarckian evolution < 1397682134 790966 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i was thinking of this because i was raeding a book from the 70s (so not that old) that put forward the folding muscle thing, which has nothing at all to do with the modern theory < 1397682138 605607 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Lysenkoism < 1397682147 287225 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lysenkoism could work < 1397682162 519423 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or really a lot of scientific theories from the soviet union < 1397682165 280440 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamarckianism is kind of weird because of things like it being a huge influence on darwin < 1397682169 81972 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a Party Line on science < 1397682175 43462 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence there was a lot of weird things < 1397682187 568052 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only major ones i know are lysenko and pavlov, and pavlov wasn't /that/ wrong < 1397682199 203178 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about < 1397682200 349260 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREUD < 1397682202 581320 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So very wrong < 1397682215 781622 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or phlogiston < 1397682223 168162 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still teach psychoanalysis in intro psych classes. < 1397682228 209300 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! < 1397682229 838570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about individual (as opposed to gene) selection :3 < 1397682235 241637 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why, but < 1397682255 20342 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can opens up beneath us, we fall into an earth sized sphere made entirely of worms < 1397682267 754054 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1397682271 743910 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HOLLOW EARTH < 1397682278 706217 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was big for a while < 1397682280 675718 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was hollow earth ever a mainstream thing < 1397682288 625983 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno about mainstream < 1397682294 910572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh, what about the theory that the sun was mostly iron < 1397682299 987613 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it enjoyed some popularity in the early 20th century < 1397682303 619253 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, i know some guys that said mountains were formed by underground gas pockets, but nobody much believed them < 1397682313 289257 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh i half remember that one < 1397682358 375017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had that one flat-vs-round on-the-river test about the curvature of Earth that got them the result that the surface is in fact concave. < 1397682370 931516 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds awesome. < 1397682380 952848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment < 1397682389 25871 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aether is the sort of thing i wouldn't count, since it's how other waves work, and i'm gonna be honest i have no idea how EM works < 1397682399 766690 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flat earth theory hasn't been that popular in the last few thousand years < 1397682433 509495 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Several protracted court cases ensued, with the result that Hampden was imprisoned for libel and threatening to kill Wallace." ah, the scientific method < 1397682438 348453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not popular, but it's had its adherents. < 1397682443 579452 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although < 1397682448 799840 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe steady state universe. < 1397682451 650775 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did have its proponents < 1397682455 283233 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in the days < 1397682456 579942 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Baylonianmaps.JPG < 1397682462 486565 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking world map~ < 1397682469 72174 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :old world maps rule < 1397682476 514762 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the oldest world map < 1397682493 583605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Wallace, who had been unaware of Rowbotham's earlier experiments, was criticized by his peers for "his 'injudicious' involvement in a bet to 'decide' the most fundamental and established of scientific facts"» is this like, the 1800s version of evolution debates < 1397682524 774746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concavity thing is in the "Other experiments" section. < 1397682524 965512 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's really just a little area around babylon < 1397682529 797996 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy cartographers < 1397682534 156205 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey lewontin wrote a bit about selection units, sweet < 1397682630 64062 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tryidris.org/console < 1397682643 583543 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, I know, probably not esoteric enough) < 1397682704 765256 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey myname < 1397682706 810090 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about < 1397682717 120417 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous brainfuck < 1397682731 767390 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be hard! < 1397682760 811353 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1397682775 118640 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck over the real line~ < 1397682791 334640 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess on a processor, it will probably be basic brainfuck < 1397682797 313845 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397682797 504213 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending how you define it < 1397682868 172338 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397682875 508784 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get it < 1397682909 408106 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some vague idea I had < 1397682918 771843 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck that uses a function over R instead of a tape < 1397682939 825314 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1397682941 916848 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess instead of +- whatever, you use some basis for real functions < 1397682955 347947 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like maybe some Fourier modes < 1397683030 987440 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://abstrusegoose.com/564 < 1397683032 507939 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1397683138 872315 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397683175 236823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Fun fact: there are 20 trains currently on their way from somewhere to somewhere else in Finland. (VR has an "open data" feed of their current positions.) < 1397683197 178122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's not very many; but it is 00:20am, maybe there's more during the day.) < 1397683230 262875 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many of the conductors are drunk though < 1397683266 597077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr when we discussed continuous brainfuck, the +->< commands were like infinitesimals, and then you put them in a loop to get larger effects. < 1397683321 130640 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if they're infinitesimals you can't add them up to larger effects < 1397683322 571880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that is rather few < 1397683323 866488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure a proper semantics was made. probably would involve differential equations. < 1397683326 644852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that doesn't include the Helsinki Metro < 1397683329 298058 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the whole point of infinitesimals! < 1397683340 684207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :subway trains aren't trains, duh < 1397683341 188635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: yes you can, if you add infinitely many of them! < 1397683347 532300 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They break the Archimedian properties < 1397683352 699436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it isn't run by VR < 1397683358 416174 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah but then how will you define them < 1397683371 311737 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end you'll just replicate the natural numbers < 1397683373 442775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Probably not, though it wouldn't be running at this time anyway. < 1397683375 191094 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a fancier syntax < 1397683379 171468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :distinguishing subways from mainline / commuter trains is pretty easy in America, but quite difficult in some places (like Japan) < 1397683387 851430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It stops at 23:20 except on Fridays. < 1397683411 561932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Saturdays.) < 1397683420 681092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: that was the intuitive meaning. as i said, a proper semantics would probably involve differential equations. < 1397683435 711933 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1397683458 153457 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, you can't make all real functions from differential equations with integer factors < 1397683463 418073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nonstandard reals probably < 1397683469 444176 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think some diff eqs are uncomputable < 1397683473 994908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: boooooo < 1397683478 992447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does it stop on friday / saturday? < 1397683489 631099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i fail to see how this matters to an esolang hth < 1397683502 516465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Last trains start at 01:15am one way and 01:05am the other. < 1397683504 960908 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it does for an implementable one < 1397683519 553152 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although < 1397683524 135713 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be nice is < 1397683529 936916 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it entirely hardware < 1397683535 59267 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might work better! < 1397683541 191993 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just doin' it with currents < 1397683559 474442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This Friday/Saturday extension is a relatively new thing, they started it in November last year.) < 1397683624 757839 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any neural network based esolang? < 1397683626 183481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when does the first train in the morning run? < 1397683629 847641 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or other such similar concepts < 1397683642 795742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stopping at 23:20 is worse than a lot of subways in america :/ < 1397683764 31953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wittgen are the only hits for Neural. < 1397683789 185441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are there night buses in helsinki? < 1397683901 738152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last trains on BART depart around midnight or 00:30 on a weekday, depending on the station < 1397683911 117562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last train from the airport is before midnight, which is annoying < 1397683931 646795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they start up around 04:00 < 1397683956 3266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Transit will sometimes give you transit instructions that involve waiting on a street corner in Los Angeles for three hours in the middle of the night < 1397683979 46748 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long it would take to make a neural network learn the Fibonacci sequence < 1397683989 37343 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just input an ordinal and get the sequence member < 1397684038 720586 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the evidence of my brain, i estimate that it would take approximately forever, unless the neural network was also a nerd < 1397684054 921445 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if i put glasses on it < 1397684111 728110 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably needs a pocket protector too < 1397684233 271519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There are special night-only bus lines, about 5 of theme these days. They go in a zigzaggy way in approximately equally spaced directions starting from the city centre. < 1397684292 973651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very many scheduled departures, it's something like (for e.g. the 400N line) 2:35, 3:15, 4:00 and 4:15. < 1397684301 491455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only fice? hah, small town people < 1397684321 255102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all seem to be also Friday-and-Saturday-only. < 1397684330 569844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so < 1397684367 547923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some places, Budapest has better night buses than day ones < 1397684400 968122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start going to work at \night < 1397684414 908444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The local non-subway trains do have some amount of night service. < 1397684505 871873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trains don't go during night here < 1397684510 310138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, there's stop-on-all-stations departures from Helsinki towards Riihimäki/Lahti at 1:01, 1:31, 2:01, 2:31, 3:01, 4:01, 5:01 on the Fri/Sat and Sat/Sun nights; that pretty much covers the gap between the regular evening and morning trains. < 1397684534 11020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice < 1397684544 721594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like that here < 1397684564 865835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's less nice if you happen to have some reason to be out late on anything else than a Friday or a Saturday. < 1397684619 56380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. it's pretty hard to go home to sleep on the first night of a Thursday-to-Sunday (pseudo-)demoscene event. < 1397684626 427661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that sounds invader zimish <-- zzo38 is invader zim? < 1397684639 997681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably my only regular reason for interfacing with late-night public transportation.) < 1397684733 862673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the trains and non-urban buses stop during night so much that there's an instant each night when all passenger trains and all non-urban buses in the country are stopped. < 1397684753 609234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to be sure about that for the buses, with these stupid timetables < 1397684903 668480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.theallium.com/science-life/scientists-reportedly-close-to-finding-a-use-for-linkedin/ <-- subtle hostname, there < 1397684917 377592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1397684938 980974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though now that we live where we live, the last years I've just used the bicycle paths that run next to the train tracks. Summer nights/early mornings here are quite good for that; it's reasonably light, and usually refreshingly chilly. < 1397684960 751786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the place is for some reason full of rabbits around 03am or so. < 1397684982 761824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I counted around twenty on a single trip. < 1397684998 750675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a bit of a pest problem with these "city bunnies".) < 1397685019 446186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1397685024 477183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yle.fi/uutiset/hunt_for_city_bunnies_begins/6284368 < 1397685039 987689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuuuuuuute~ < 1397685067 654473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things go ridiculously fast for their size. < 1397685076 273469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew some good spots to find bunnies in Cambridge MA, but none in SF :/ < 1397685149 679271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helsinki to feed lions and vultures with city bunnies" sounds very exciting. < 1397685190 395420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The circle of life. Except the bunnies are descendants of former pets, and the lions and vultures are in a zoo. < 1397685212 562488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And humans do the catching and feeding.) < 1397685231 182054 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: easy to find out. does he have any friends? < 1397685234 151456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The animal keepers at the zoo have also tried offering rabbits to the Steller's Sea Eagles, Haliaeetus pelagicus, but with little success. Apparently the heaviest eagle in the world, a beast with a wingspan of more than two metres, is actually afraid of the rather small cuddly cuties, which bear a passing resemblance to fur mittens." < 1397685255 108916 :kallisti!~adam@h83.172.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397685292 310462 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397685387 954449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you know, i have no evidence on that. does his D&D DM count? < 1397685599 594530 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397685992 464063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are rabbits all over the place at warwick < 1397686003 124456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a ginger one last year < 1397686244 463366 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397686278 97449 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397686701 724990 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i forgot how to sleep < 1397686721 726706 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, me too < 1397686727 579453 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep now < 1397686738 900109 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then in the morning, TRAVEL TO THE HOMELAND OF PHANTOM HOOVER < 1397686749 372926 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i am yawning every other minute but stay awake < 1397686761 112947 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dun dun dun* < 1397686785 433664 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I need to visit the Australian Commission to renew my passport) < 1397686808 232762 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight < 1397686817 45380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why is the australian comission in edinburgh < 1397686841 203552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i guess edinburgh's just closer than london > 1397687410 783307 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397687412 99542 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1397687414 887320 JOIN :#esoteric > 1397687415 397264 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397687723 105259 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397688188 868959 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397688754 504517 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397688922 14521 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397688922 676033 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397688969 291777 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397689436 124205 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397689495 793162 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397689509 836878 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397689563 639727 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397689604 423145 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1397689621 400869 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397689673 824591 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397690331 394162 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397690601 400040 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397692233 117094 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening. a random thought was floating around in my cranium. < 1397692253 290052 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if jsvine published the Infamous Interview? < 1397692309 990362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard anything. < 1397692338 283286 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397692361 512050 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone has done verilog? < 1397692367 189029 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1397692369 132706 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone has < 1397692377 557278 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1397692380 751660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did ais523 use that or the other one < 1397692388 95667 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vhdl? < 1397692396 709691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397692403 215687 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have ought to have did vhdl, but kinda dodged it. < 1397692425 365846 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never done any but vhdl looks rather worse < 1397692444 630487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure both of these questions could have been easily answered if Gregor hadn't broken `pastelogs hth < 1397692513 995764 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: vhdl is refurbished ada. < 1397692570 289395 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried ada either but it sounds grody < 1397692668 341988 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397692669 249068 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck grody < 1397692669 514004 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1397692674 382284 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? grody < 1397692675 372064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grody? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1397692795 689235 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks just slightly more wordy in a way that makes it both harder to read and longer to type < 1397692838 388393 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cromulent. < 1397693077 888849 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda wonder how hard it is to design a simple cpu, video rendering chip or sound playing chip < 1397693202 528828 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sound playing is the easiest. a few simple wave generators, subtractive synthesis, and you're golden. < 1397693218 532092 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1397693228 127735 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you could design one with only basic discrete components. < 1397693235 658443 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a few logic gates if you wanna be fancy.) < 1397693248 668999 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the filter require multipliers? < 1397693274 8903 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some feedback configuration < 1397693319 361625 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :op amps. I always forget op amps. < 1397693327 48712 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in verilog? < 1397693332 262052 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeh... < 1397693342 198711 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have them. I'd be very surprised if you didn't. < 1397693372 375992 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then, my understanding of verilog is quite limited and backwards, as I had urging deadlines and ethereal teammates to manage...) < 1397693427 989571 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if xcircuit is still maintained... “I have fond memories of that buggy and crashy piece of software...” < 1397693499 823387 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the one I've played around with is HADES < 1397693505 390160 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's digital only < 1397693539 853926 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xcircuit is only for drawing. it was quite nice, when it was running. < 1397693585 238772 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I used something from xilinx a long time ago. < 1397693677 332458 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhmm < 1397693729 90973 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could tape together 2 or 3 oscillators, pass through a textbook filter and multiply for volume yeah < 1397693740 364336 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then replicate 6 times for a whole synth < 1397693823 432121 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very efficient but easy to design < 1397693936 817009 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once combined a lo- and a hi-pass filter to make a no-pass filter. the end result was... unusual. < 1397694035 250963 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :filters were never too interesting to implement in sound LSIs < 1397694070 318483 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they became so large that they could just spend the extra multipliers on them < 1397694096 979039 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wavetable-based chips such as the soundblaster awe-32) < 1397694292 743885 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397695161 287411 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397695161 538378 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1397695161 723926 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397695411 98644 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397695707 173618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397695772 277959 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rxnm.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/image_thumb12.png?w=887&h=566 Meanwhile, science progresses < 1397695888 920336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to point out the irony of the article vs. the number in the top bar < 1397695904 312461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397695910 773995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1397695922 988696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :his impact factor is over 9,000 < 1397696140 206203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: perhaps you should stay away from inhabited planets twh < 1397696156 144192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every planet we reach is dead < 1397696171 410925 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know how impact factor is calculated. could you have 9000? is there like a singularity somewhere < 1397696190 677701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's gauss's impact factor < 1397696190 893505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe over 1000 or so means everyone on earth is constantly thinking about your paper on cockroach neuroendocrine cells < 1397696199 61084 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an impact factor? against what is it impacted? < 1397696223 240584 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a measure of your science penis < 1397696223 426256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impalas < 1397696235 318877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also imps < 1397696260 817862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic shouldn't feel too safe, either < 1397696271 193908 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's actually pretty simple: a journal's impact factor is number of citations of papers / number of papers written < 1397696299 238712 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The impact factor is based on the arithmetic mean number of citations per paper, yet citation counts follow a Bradford distribution (i.e., a power law distribution) and therefore the arithmetic mean is a statistically inappropriate measure." scientists are so awesomely bad at stats < 1397696381 585343 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, if I unabashedly mapole impomatic, I can augment my Factor? < 1397696436 930257 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annual Review of Immunology had the highest in 2006, apparently < 1397696441 396137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 9000 < 1397696442 35169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9000: 2 2 2 3 3 5 5 5 < 1397696482 437431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's also a danger of both your factor and impomatic being smashed to little primes < 1397696553 233832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mushroomobserver.org/image/show_image/386349?q=1uvb6&size=full_size < 1397696573 630082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: clearly they should simply define the new Power Impact which takes this into account < 1397696575 663689 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: do you accept being a victim^Wvaluable contributor to a scientific experience of utmost importance? < 1397696683 432460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i take it the flavor just rolls off your tongue < 1397696699 899616 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397696771 369827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_: btw the nick thiotimoline is vacant here hth < 1397696791 261382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can register multiple nicks to the same nickserv account < 1397696809 685704 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's an elaboration where you weigh cites based on the citing journal's impact factor, like PageRank. it's fucking crazy < 1397696985 921981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes but thiotimoline hasn't been registered yet. nor has douglass_ fwiw < 1397696998 135834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397697001 197223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to douglass_ not you < 1397697011 328146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1397697062 118085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some limit but i'm pretty sure it's higher than 3 (i just have the 2) < 1397697130 817694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: clearly they should use the improved bfjoust algorithm. < 1397697131 549742 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397697140 432233 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would make sense < 1397697356 696903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elo ratings < 1397697390 753588 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck elo < 1397697391 433407 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1397697411 778968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello elo < 1397697412 611543 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1397697413 420081 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupide bot de mes deux de pas foutu de trouver de l'information quand qu'on lui demande non mais tsé quand même... < 1397697440 231417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello hm < 1397697440 960338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1397697447 575907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hello < 1397697448 166660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Hello < 1397697448 933716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks ants < 1397697449 543281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, ants. Thants. < 1397697455 788624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello elo < 1397697456 121587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Hanks < 1397697456 686998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elello < 1397697456 872431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Hanks. Thanks. < 1397697514 863939 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHjx4dYxjA&t=2m20s my daily commute < 1397697550 778640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1397697568 719130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the part where individuals from different generations walk side by side < 1397697594 850153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why do people throw boxes at you on your commute < 1397697615 276697 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They think I'm ugly since I'm made of boxes < 1397697617 452828 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :racism is terrible < 1397697632 365637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they see me boxin', they hatin' < 1397697646 73348 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dinosaurs falling over rule though yes < 1397697657 891923 :JZTech102!jztech101@crabhost.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1397697658 77488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it could be worse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHjx4dYxjA&t=3m10s < 1397697727 184848 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397697727 492155 :JZTech101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397697755 590335 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i laughed out loud at that < 1397697756 835899 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why < 1397697761 949704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1397697911 854267 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397697995 60065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :et moi aussi < 1397698226 801244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone may have found a fly in the ointment of that inflation discovery http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/apr/10/have-galactic-radio-loops-been-mistaken-for-b-mode-polarization < 1397698412 546210 :JZTech102!jztech101@crabhost.org NICK :JZTech101 < 1397698413 262275 :JZTech101!jztech101@crabhost.org QUIT :Changing host < 1397698413 447958 :JZTech101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397698444 69658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells a bot < 1397698674 607292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 10/85 < 1397698674 832086 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :040.11764705882352941 : 12Float < 1397698709 680112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel with > 10% bots | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1397698727 537613 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397698795 55782 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using douglass_ instead of douglass because I registered douglass and then was too lazy to use it. I do like thiotimoline a bit better but it's less recognizable to people who know me in real life. < 1397698824 997557 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, i knew i recognized the name from somewhere (no i didn't) < 1397698861 202966 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have over 10% bots? wooooah... < 1397698865 674567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglass_: unless you have nick protection on, you don't _need_ to log in to use douglass < 1397698897 249419 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember what I did when I set up this screen. < 1397698907 446474 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly too lazy to change anything until it dies. < 1397698907 766061 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1397698909 986772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1397698918 472548 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I inherited this dtach from my mother..." < 1397698971 575870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that also includes the logging bots. < 1397699035 950488 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one unknown member, namely myndzi. < 1397699051 177600 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should play with Snap < 1397699055 947106 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> mattress < 1397699058 136172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't include myndzi in the 10, but e would certainly not hurt the number < 1397699076 681357 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go myndzi! embrace your siliconoïd side! < 1397699082 623337 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ROBOT CHICKEN < 1397699084 789492 :metasepia!~metasepia@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397699377 893410 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.christianet.com/creditcounseling/ < 1397699383 248875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christian... credit counseling < 1397699387 722800 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1397699545 738572 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to install Snap, it seems to be installing lens.... < 1397699560 546781 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, Snap was the one that bothered me for having its own little weird lens library, iirc < 1397699563 294581 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has that changed? < 1397699630 625041 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever think about turbulence < 1397699795 885840 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397699796 915941 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't christianity generally against credit? < 1397699832 238859 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397699846 917365 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're like, living in 1200s Europe, maybe < 1397699994 912089 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/lending_money/ex22_24.html < 1397700047 458716 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mezbditcrtorlfiz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397700073 29475 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes as it turns out practice does not completely correspond to any legal code for more than about two seconds < 1397700103 675829 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397700113 632808 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngwpzrqqkkuhjnhv QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397700127 565492 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insofar as legal codes even mean anything bla bla bla < 1397700170 619982 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnvkevkdchnzyslm JOIN :#esoteric < 1397700296 642865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc there was a time in europe when that was interpreted by the christians such that they could not take interest from anyone, but by the jews such that they couldn't take interest from other jews, but could do it from christians. and so jews became the major bankers. < 1397700348 952396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this iiuc comes with no guarantees of actually being correct) < 1397700951 424763 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwnqwxmqhxvmuhae JOIN :#esoteric < 1397701855 934830 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was trying to get at with the 1200s comment, yeah. it was usury. < 1397701882 492038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39344&oldid=39341 5* 03Zerk 5* (+224) 10 < 1397701919 774612 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the workarounds are pretty hilarious sometimes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking#Bai.27_al_.27inah_.28sale_and_buy-back_agreement.29 < 1397703009 267465 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1397703310 406674 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey non-Americans, question: in your early math classes what symbols were used to describe a basic linear equation < 1397703399 123185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how early < 1397703433 571987 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :primary school? like "here's a line" early < 1397703445 254191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i'm non-American, but i was in .il math classes until 4th grade or so < 1397703452 44888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by symbols < 1397703604 998773 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :y = ax + b < 1397703605 664112 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1397703636 319691 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that, yes. < 1397703650 462463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1397703661 426906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we even have those < 1397703671 186860 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see that until secondaire 1 tho (grade 7) < 1397703673 281222 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering because In American the usual is mx + b and the reason for the m is apparently mysterious < 1397703680 170281 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In America rather < 1397703682 260897 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah might have been < 1397703684 584072 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mx + b < 1397703699 972540 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quadratics are still ax² + bx + c though < 1397703703 150269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :base and mantissa... wait no < 1397703714 290451 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplier? < 1397703720 883833 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at a friend's house, and some teacher(?) was quizzing me, and I knew things like derivatives but not what y=mx+b was about < 1397703723 985152 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally found a citation for this saying "It just happened" < 1397703728 237258 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was many, many years ago < 1397703734 7486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplier? i hardly know 'er! < 1397703752 698948 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like apparently in swedeworld it's usually "kx + m", k for koefficient < 1397703768 925149 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :m = slope; don't know why though < 1397703769 736944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a⁢x² + m⁢x + b < 1397703773 538601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stick the m in there < 1397703777 793137 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius. < 1397703786 223622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i totally used U+2062 INVISIBLE TIMES, by the way) < 1397703790 310299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just sayin') < 1397703795 908605 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1397703803 823442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1397703804 946313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION verifies shachaf's clam. < 1397703811 922692 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually not fully verified) < 1397703819 474713 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And not a clam, but that was deliberate) < 1397703825 342313 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, one of the citations is to an aol page < 1397703846 630190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but aren't they both koëfficients :'( < 1397703852 905723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait maybe that's not valid swedish < 1397703860 184964 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is down, but thankfully i found a mirror. on tripod. < 1397703873 353282 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: «where k may derive from "koefficient" in the Swedish word for slope, "riktningskoefficient."» is what it says < 1397703876 289774 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes. < 1397703891 978951 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rïktningsköefficient < 1397703911 361614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bïke < 1397703916 391997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Bike -----### < 1397703922 458836 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1397703930 339231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö IS A SEPARATE LETTER < 1397703936 760953 :password2!~password@197.78.148.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397703937 224037 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1397703946 517873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should be swatting me, though < 1397703956 233661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coefficient, more like scowefficient < 1397703985 587213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it's such a scow) < 1397704068 290177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally sv:ko = cow but sv:kö = queue < 1397704082 603823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about no:kø < 1397704136 102405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also queue < 1397704143 125000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cow is ku < 1397704155 358579 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397704166 36258 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39345&oldid=39344 5* 03Zerk 5* (+57) 10/* Toplevel */ fixed math by adding unwrapped 0/1 defs < 1397704183 775957 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397704198 406350 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe < 1397704199 539598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> b < 1397704208 815080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ko is not a common word in norwegian. < 1397704214 304552 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 5 (error "Must be Nothing") < 1397704215 734678 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs < 1397704225 146442 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 5 (const $ error "Must be nothing) < 1397704232 863138 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any significant reason to use one vs the other? < 1397704243 783264 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe 5 (error "Must be nothing") < 1397704245 11547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num b => Maybe a -> b < 1397704246 877014 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more dosh < 1397704250 60664 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe 5 (const $ error "Must be nothing") < 1397704250 876771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num b => Maybe a -> b < 1397704259 110100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the $ indicates xtreme dosh < 1397704262 879723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src maybe < 1397704263 267883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe n _ Nothing = n < 1397704263 454305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe _ f (Just x) = f x < 1397704276 960566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will compile to the same thing < 1397704310 153968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$wag overload < 1397704367 356261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's any difference in semantics < 1397704387 154291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :benchmark it with criterion < 1397704402 150839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that maybe won't be applying any seq's to it. < 1397704460 517894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually what i meant < 1397704463 206824 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kö sounds like a borrowing < 1397704468 637902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean that they would compile to the same thing < 1397704471 224972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: basically const $ error ... is equivalent to error ... unless you apply seq to it < 1397704479 157638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant they have the same semantics and i was wondering whether they would also compile to the same thing < 1397704487 131364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i said the other one < 1397704487 516601 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in terms of when the error message gets shown? < 1397704491 641124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if maybe gets inlined probably? < 1397704529 640216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused, this seems like the sort of thing haskell is pretty simple about < 1397704547 373427 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: undefined, and laziness in general, is a ... complication < 1397704559 748123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :laziness: the ultimate side effect < 1397704565 291676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very complicated here < 1397704609 312987 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume laziness can be described as a monad < 1397704647 304436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it kind of sucks to use lifted 'pure' functions in it, since they would be considered to be strict, I think < 1397704653 875381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell didn't so much eliminate side effects as introduce a single pervasive side effect that doesn't play nice with others < 1397704660 255481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks if that's less than 140 characters < 1397704681 124960 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but it allows for fancy tricks! At the expense of safety < 1397704686 539064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happiness is a warm monad < 1397704707 815111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english word for cow is "cow" < 1397704755 637416 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english term for "cow" is "use-mention distinction" < 1397704850 650996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :names with their own names! < 1397704871 232290 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does anyone else think once you have a "series of monographs" in over 40 volumes you should consider calling it something else < 1397704968 959199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's time to link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks'_Eyes#Naming again < 1397704988 641479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a polygraph hth < 1397704989 346070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a polygraph? < 1397704992 83012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :efb < 1397704997 111040 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how did i not think of that < 1397705003 249764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :, he lied < 1397705022 167519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :efb? < 1397705034 875371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah that's the only example I know, besides "tetragrammaton" < 1397705037 594685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit: fuck, beaten < 1397705054 594527 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :logos < 1397705057 534088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1397705063 575317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1397705107 824814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"efb" tdh hth hand < 1397705114 48472 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397705117 185968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1397705123 462737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1397705124 88567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1397705132 624886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ŵ < 1397705134 576224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did help hope that helped have a nice day < 1397705137 402487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1397705138 451881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1397705144 492179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397705149 190952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdh < 1397705150 88436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth. < 1397705159 755955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1397705168 246699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`àwesomé´ < 1397705168 770356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: àwesomé´: not found < 1397705229 948807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdnh < 1397705230 824946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh does not help < 1397705289 264558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1397705289 998841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1397705325 446650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there's no way to get an empty command name to work < 1397705345 766412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside the box < 1397705748 305840 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397706265 756765 :password2!~password@197.78.148.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397706575 329495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39346&oldid=39345 5* 03Zerk 5* (-6) 10/* Toplevel */ properly* fixed math < 1397706581 165076 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397707243 329436 :kallisti_!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397707419 431791 :kallisti!~adam@h83.172.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397707687 798925 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397708624 549958 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397709001 512057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397709134 881312 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hand < 1397709135 703538 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1397709964 919859 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397710033 821887 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397710054 512551 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397710373 790308 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397710484 311294 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About OverlappingInstances) < 1397710485 776462 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can sometimes be simulated with the extra-method trick used in the Show class of the Prelude for showing lists of characters differently than lists of other things. < 1397710485 962337 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1397710488 927841 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What trick is this? < 1397710547 966181 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397710549 472241 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397710587 874662 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showList < 1397710589 161364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show a => [a] -> ShowS < 1397710800 311607 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a bad idea to write code like < 1397710807 77640 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah >>= flip when $ do ... < 1397710818 170636 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397710832 780339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "flip" `isInfixOf` "blah >>= flip when $ do ..." < 1397710832 966291 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1397710832 966381 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable isInfixOf < 1397710834 54073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1397710842 443905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-ircslave: go away or change your prefix < 1397710843 57238 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1397710843 57326 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable go < 1397711536 638915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand these days you just bite the bullet and use @run. < 1397711582 860774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run away or change your prefix < 1397711584 177410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘away’Not in scope: ‘change’ < 1397711584 363216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1397711584 363289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘range’ (imported from Data.Ix), < 1397711584 363327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘hang’ (imported from Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ)Not in scope: ‘your’Not in... < 1397711584 363364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘prefixed’ (imported from Data.List.Lens) < 1397711640 662320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris also had something lambdabot did not respond to. < 1397711656 157818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I used it a few lines above. < 1397711659 245098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently.) < 1397711726 771592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something shorter than the full name, too. < 1397711778 760407 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 2 + 2 < 1397711778 969778 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :044 : 12Integer < 1397711785 959430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1397711828 462572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 2 + 2 ) < 1397711828 648072 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:7: error: expected: "$", < 1397711828 648135 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***", < 1397711828 648172 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/", < 1397711828 648213 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/=", ":+", ":-", "::", ":::", < 1397711828 648248 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":=", "<", "<$", "<$>", "<*>",14↵… < 1397711830 321240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1397711832 760415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, it acquired a non-conflicting prefix, but did not get rid of >. < 1397711886 257629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I kind of hope it would, but haven't cared about enough to say anything. < 1397711949 454766 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about it, shachaf, this is helping to get rid of the ) backlog. < 1397711956 164222 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(() < 1397711986 566169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(: just doing my part. < 1397712451 381899 :kallisti_!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397712616 98043 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397712994 17310 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freshbsd.org/search?project=openbsd&q=file.name:libssl they mad < 1397713053 749500 :asie!~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397713054 312357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jmhodges/libssl/commits/master < 1397713061 581950 :asie!~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! i used to be known as asiekierka here < 1397713063 543835 :asie!~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few years back < 1397713065 844358 :asie!~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you? < 1397713260 989141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, you've written ~20% more words in #haskell than i have < 1397713352 9879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hm your link is better < 1397713373 117255 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the superior being. < 1397713626 80382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't jconn already ruined the paren-balance of this room? < 1397713656 396334 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397713685 387799 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397713807 333239 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :( () < 1397713807 519042 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04() : 12() < 1397713823 919702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( () -- ) < 1397713824 105002 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04() : 12() < 1397713829 343333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( -- () -- ) < 1397713829 529050 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :command not recognized or not supported < 1397713835 220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a tie fighter < 1397713875 751806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather a TIE Advanced x1 < 1397713880 562248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( -- ( ⋈ ) -- ) < 1397713880 748131 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :command not recognized or not supported < 1397713998 138827 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1397714146 163922 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/skmvujsn35s6q2x/IMG_20140417_075324.jpg wat < 1397714329 792294 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's particularly weird < 1397714344 256186 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except that i don't like any of those bands) < 1397714364 394972 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second paragraph confuses me < 1397714371 553351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/6fec7be36425adfd2b48f3695d24a03f6287d4fe wat < 1397714394 705729 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why he translated from german in a german university, either < 1397714400 715053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fucking? < 1397714414 408971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some good musicians < 1397714414 772849 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fucking is one point, yes < 1397714416 822926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's slightly weird < 1397714420 180668 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: for the international students? < 1397714422 454128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should find this person and engage in some of these activities < 1397714440 915869 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: go for it < 1397714460 791710 :asie!~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1397714572 700994 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in return, name a cool esolang i could write a compiler for, that is not too hard to make < 1397714746 243768 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION memorizes that list of musicians for later hipster usage < 1397714768 93741 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397714792 787901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah radiohead is a pretty obscure hipster band < 1397714838 121025 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like they forgot to translate Strawinsky < 1397714852 905660 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate from what < 1397714854 42150 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tschaikowsky < 1397714928 819044 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397714930 881482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are all those gerunds meant to apply to the noun "music" < 1397714946 765716 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i am not sure < 1397714956 27141 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my interpretation < 1397714956 743862 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397714961 976234 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially how "fucking music" would look like < 1397714963 344634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes... more and less sense simultaneously < 1397714966 194666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397714991 865985 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the joke was that it sounds like he is proposing sex, but then it turns out he is still talking about music < 1397714998 751940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1397715007 900138 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what the hell is fucking muic? < 1397715009 722720 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1397715048 733995 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that maybe his original wording in german made that slightly clearer, although i guess that's a bit unlikely) < 1397715064 396479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that guy is, and the friends who respond? < 1397715086 788939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says something like in increasing order of emotional whatever < 1397715142 183761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he refers to products such as http://www.ohmibod.com/ [nsfw i guess] < 1397715169 692151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :music controlled vibrators < 1397715198 682930 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome < 1397715198 903842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the meaning of (emotionally ordered) was clearer originally < 1397715207 497139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah those sound awesome < 1397715247 127919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh better to build a USB control kit for the Magic Wand, i think < 1397715253 970634 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamegirladvance.com/2002/10/sex-in-games-rezvibrator.html < 1397715263 305684 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: go and sell the result < 1397715269 270887 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be rich in no time < 1397715281 865686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe... < 1397715284 654425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :selling stuff is hard < 1397715287 360696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it has to be, like, good < 1397715293 805827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never made a physical thing that was good < 1397715294 857262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard < 1397715323 633126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Hitachi Magic Wand contains a 120 V DC motor < 1397715331 178187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two speed settings correspond to half-wave and full-wave rectifiers < 1397715353 753914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask me how i know this < 1397715363 371480 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know this? < 1397715368 902256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by taking one apart < 1397715377 648989 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that poor thing < 1397715381 537215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't mine < 1397715387 575834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we put it back together < 1397715389 765857 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could think of better use cases < 1397715393 67179 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1397715454 455783 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397715759 226196 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397715835 715280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one of the sex toy shops in SF they have a museum with a bunch of old vibrators < 1397715940 728515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vibrator was the fifth ever electric domestic appliance < 1397715945 335493 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1397715960 568850 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point is the washing mashine? < 1397716095 983088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much later I think < 1397716126 113013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicated and needs lots of power < 1397716140 56988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :early appliances just connected in place of a light bulb < 1397716167 198051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what point was mr burbujas < 1397716177 45509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr burbujas exists outside of time and space < 1397716188 952437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :our entire universe is but one bubble in his frothy beard < 1397716213 895478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the un-enlightened: http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/photos/large/mr-burbujas.jpg < 1397716223 948778 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the resistance? < 1397716433 658645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> bed (?) < 1397716490 275552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bͭ̒̎ȅ̛̽d̯̤̈́? < 1397719964 7646 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397720952 469136 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397722244 196029 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1397722255 106567 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397722445 436720 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397722490 654389 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397722490 875884 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397723958 631774 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397724024 292746 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397724082 359785 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnvkevkdchnzyslm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397724628 283123 :asie!~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397724737 419684 :asie!~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397725373 734633 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, oerjan: anything in the name of science... < 1397725525 377933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's quite commonly "kx + ???" in Finland, and the "k" can be argued to stand for "kulmakerroin". I don't remember what the ??? usually is. < 1397725558 470865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhm mmhm < 1397725580 793264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe "kx + b", though there is no Finnish explanation for b. < 1397725622 799646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://opinnot.net/kokonaisuudet/index.php?id_kokon=164&kieli_id=1&taso_kokon=0&oppiaine_kokon=2 and so on. < 1397725747 492309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching for "y=kx" in Finnish has "b" for 9 out of 10 hits on the first page. (Last one just has "y = kx".) < 1397725811 362046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("kerroin" = coefficient, "kulma" = angle.) < 1397725830 609158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("kerroin" = "I told".) < 1397726019 877066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the noun for coefficient, the first-person singular indicative past form of the verb "kertoa" 'to tell, to multiply (transitive)', and (which I didn't even think about at all before looking at Wiktionary) the instructive case plural form of the noun "kerta" (approx. 'occasion'). Possibly because the instructive case is such nonsense. < 1397726028 587450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructive_case < 1397726034 683782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that good for, anyway? < 1397726141 545631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's used in something like "kaksin kerroin". < 1397726437 863448 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397726546 675628 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397727849 272317 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397727922 281774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: a = 0; printf("%d %d %d %d", a, a++, a, a++); produces "2 1 2 0" on many GCC versions on x86 and x86-64, "2 0 2 1" on GCC 4.7 on ARM and ICC 12.1.0 on x86-64, "0 0 1 1" on some versions of clang on x86-64, and "2 1 2 1" on the PGI C compiler on x86-64. < 1397727944 951745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably not an exhaustive list. < 1397727959 391262 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397728046 189332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with no zeroes in it is quite nice. < 1397728656 16443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: on x86, doesn't it also depend on -mcpu/-mtune? < 1397728674 565993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe on other optimization switches < 1397728681 444244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't coax other outputs with flags, but I'm sure it could be possible. < 1397728749 958944 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make a C compiler that launches /usr/games/hack on compiling such program < 1397729791 472359 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397730562 667835 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397730596 908733 :asie!~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours. < 1397730767 230308 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hacker < 1397732463 394009 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397732706 899124 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Ping: Read: Error: Timeout: Remote: Chicken < 1397732857 426571 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91CC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397732857 685515 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91CC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397732857 685577 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397733474 253927 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397733548 661524 :atslash!~atslash@playisland.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1397733949 980875 :atslash!~atslash@playisland.ru QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397733979 366512 :atslash!~atslash@playisland.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1397734067 862545 :password2!~password@197.78.139.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397734669 262974 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397734697 186100 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397734817 552262 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397736643 483833 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397736691 554424 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397737080 106631 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397738645 972581 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1397738663 87496 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What activation function would be faster for a backpropagation algorithm < 1397738686 902613 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic sigmoid has an exponential in it, but on the other hand the derivative can be expressed simply by the function < 1397738706 890940 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :atan has 1/(1+x^2) as its derivative < 1397738723 730484 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the one that is 1/(1 + |x|) is simple to calculate but the derivative has to be calculated independantly < 1397738729 80479 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well probably anywa < 1397738797 993346 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the activation also changes the learning rate, doesn't it < 1397738802 855046 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397738815 903121 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1397738821 921489 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dont know which one is better for it < 1397738873 523938 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397739159 309714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Elliott activation function has the best name, obviously. < 1397739200 605855 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dontveter.com/bpr/activate.html < 1397739205 363099 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACKPROAGATOR REVIEW < 1397739206 946983 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah < 1397739243 445308 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397739346 927264 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanh is a sigmoid too < 1397739377 476735 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it would be suitable though < 1397739389 690102 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Both these sigmoid approach their extremes more slowly. This means that if you are trying to output numerical values it will take more iterations to reach your target value. But if you're doing a classification problem you really only care to get the correct output value greater than the other outputs and here these functions will save on CPU time without influencing the number of iterations required by very much. " < 1397739390 590683 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1397739446 139075 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll worry about that later and try several activation functions < 1397739457 70210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, while simulation is faster with elliotsig, training is not guaranteed to be faster, due to the different shapes of the two transfer functions. Here, 10 networks are each trained for tansig and elliotsig, but training times vary significantly even on the same problem with the same network." (MATLAB Neural Networking toolbox, "Optimize Neural Network Training Speed and Memory" article.) < 1397739697 364069 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397740400 822866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really misspell his name? < 1397740470 935325 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tell us about your activation function < 1397740485 402318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be hard < 1397740489 241603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does; it also does not credit him in any way. < 1397740553 664132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I think MATLAB documentation usually does, but still. < 1397740653 509435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also doesn't mention what the actual function is, anywhere; I had to use "type" to check that it actually is the same as that David Elliott one.) < 1397740670 849128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot more common as a surname than a first name, it seems < 1397740850 729156 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1397740943 295002 :douglass_!~iridium@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397742106 611428 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397743600 730111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397745062 897423 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man my perceptron converges values all to 0.5 :( < 1397745070 763945 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What went wrooong < 1397745240 292290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't care < 1397745354 509686 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It learned the truth < 1397745464 90142 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem isn't from the learning rate and inertia apparently < 1397745498 434952 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason all my weights converge to 0 < 1397745558 885252 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that Stephen King book all over again < 1397746111 609751 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah, i thought you were shachaf for quite a long time < 1397746118 146169 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz. recapitalise your nick < 1397746142 783176 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1397746608 600181 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom's right < 1397746676 56012 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah may not be upper cased < 1397746678 183004 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Slereah_ is < 1397746681 262869 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1397746685 743545 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397746924 264162 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397746982 576142 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@93.190.140.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397747066 374375 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all weights are converging to zero does that just mean it's learning a constant function < 1397747081 724358 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make an autoencoder < 1397747092 773029 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the training set is just the identity function < 1397747103 338403 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently the input is just (1 2 3 4 5) < 1397747127 506855 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm trying to get the same as output < 1397747150 780530 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for some reason weights all decrease with each update until they're all 0 < 1397747168 119121 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reading an embargoed paper that cites 71 papers in the first two sentences." < 1397747177 868049 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that sounds like a bug probably /helpful < 1397747226 315956 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't sa < 1397747226 933258 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1397747431 623016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you doing it all DIY, or with some sort of a thing? < 1397747548 519316 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Thing indeed < 1397747552 830197 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :internship thing < 1397747559 704511 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1397747565 586807 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean coded from scratch < 1397747568 364816 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes < 1397747582 724012 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I did look at a few libraries of it before < 1397747873 249211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right, that just makes bug-in-the-implementation the likelier reason than doing-it-wrong. < 1397747891 815667 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well doing it wrong is still on the table < 1397747914 504228 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe I should do a very simple one < 1397747924 556841 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 in, 2 out, 1 hidden neurone < 1397748138 715341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do an identity map if everything has to go through one neuron...? < 1397748175 785094 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1397748189 704542 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1397748209 221389 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unfortunate that there are no step by step examples of the backpropagation algorithm < 1397748214 845484 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could check where it went wrong < 1397748346 599715 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@93.190.140.195 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397748707 453179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It should at least do a credible approximation, anyway, as long as things work out. < 1397748795 573760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autoencoder features are quite "hip" at the moment in the speech recognition field. < 1397748805 861216 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would it distinguish, like, 01 from 10 < 1397748818 549801 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike : different weights? < 1397748857 587759 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hidden neuron outputs one bit, doesn't it? How do you encode two bits into one bit < 1397748900 519333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's not usually binary; but in any case, by having first output equal to the hidden bit, and the second its complement. < 1397748907 693474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That way 0 -> 01 and 1 -> 10. < 1397748921 627897 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you couldn't also do 00 and 11. < 1397748928 762165 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The network has real values and real weights < 1397748931 998595 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neural networks can output any real number < 1397748952 286651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sure, sure; but it's supposed to learn the "best" low-dimensional representation it can. < 1397748974 176013 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You interpret the number if you want a classifier < 1397749010 174766 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i guess i thought after the sigmoid you had a binary threshhold. oopsie. < 1397749046 41152 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sigmoid is used to introduce nonlinearity (and to compress outputs between layers) < 1397749132 929610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jmlr.org/papers/volume11/vincent10a/vincent10a.pdf is the kind of thing people do on speech too. < 1397749177 136400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have to go do some things.) < 1397749200 601248 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l8er < 1397749477 516177 :password2!~password@197.78.139.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397749925 889808 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397750100 853471 :mekeor!~user@2001:4ca0:2fff:4::3a JOIN :#esoteric < 1397750154 438210 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397750361 493590 :tertu!~quassel@143.44.65.14 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397750413 269365 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397750509 689985 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I got a free hat < 1397750914 929557 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397750948 357936 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397752046 639892 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397752074 752647 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397752121 420953 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397752594 101699 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so I've got a fun little thing. variables can only hold random bits. You can set a variable to the result of xoring or averageing other variables together. Print prints out the name of the variable that most closely matches the chunk of bits coming after it. < 1397752623 29873 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the control structures are "label" and "call" but procedures do not accept arguments < 1397752686 341699 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, just xor all variables with themselves < 1397752694 657888 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call calls the chunk of code labeled with the most similar chunk of bits to the one its called with < 1397752704 908644 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes 0 is easy to get < 1397752729 628618 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 0 doesn't do anything special < 1397752771 55485 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so what is special < 1397752815 270987 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can holographically store values in other values < 1397752836 198309 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using xor to make a pair and averaging to combine several pairs < 1397753045 513758 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397753133 333940 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it isn't turing complete because you can only store a finite amount of information in an anonymous value < 1397753147 405925 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397754777 666525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of ternary operations would be useful for a ternary computer? < 1397754798 776085 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking tritwise max would be a rough equivalent of OR < 1397754799 360180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: all the trintercal ones? < 1397754811 128168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... useful? < 1397754818 543956 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1397754880 688766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I'd rather stick to binary (with two's complement or one's complement, and fibonacci and negafibonacci) < 1397754967 110049 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ternary is the easiest way to render a sierpinski carpet to the screen < 1397755066 380212 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 3^9 different two argument ternary operators < 1397755093 846280 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, max and min seem useful < 1397755110 637184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's one operation then, the sierpinsky operation: 222;202;222. For the other, addition, perhaps? < 1397755169 974988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going the balanced ternary route? (In which case multiplication is I guess quite a natural one.) < 1397755193 698060 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397755220 989536 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try creating random ternary circuts out of a selection of ternary gates and see which set seems to produce the remainder of the gates most fairly < 1397755554 569903 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397756039 786486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single binary operation has many ternary equivalents < 1397756058 890950 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritwise multiplication and tritwise min are both equivalents of AND < 1397756535 849763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a minimal basis for all ternary operations? < 1397756712 616063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A single two-input ternary operator and a single one-input ternary operator are proposed, which together with the logic values 1 and 2 form a functionally-complete set of ternary operators." < 1397756768 984296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tokmen, V. H. "A functionally-complete ternary system", Electronic Letters, Feb 1978, 14(3), pp. 69-71, http://dx.doi.org/10.1049/el:19780048 < 1397756799 48410 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397756868 888447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two-input operator it mentions is the {max(a, b) if a != b; 0 if a = b} one, and the unary operator is the {2 if a = 0; 0 if a != 0} one. < 1397756893 296663 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no zero? nice < 1397756914 73223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just the unary operator applied to 1 or 2, after all. < 1397756930 660358 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need 0 for binary logic, either < 1397756957 523898 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i still like it < 1397756981 14937 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is nothing compared to 1 < 1397756981 936829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The particular merit of the above operators is their ease of realisation in bipolar or m.o.s., technology." < 1397756999 33356 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :draumr < 1397757004 122712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two-input operator is called the TOR, short for "Ternary exclusive-OR". < 1397757068 778594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the notation is quite funky. TOR is denoted by a τ b, and the unary one by ⁰a⁰ of all things. < 1397757078 472942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that's ⁰(a)⁰. < 1397757091 970049 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The teddy ears operator < 1397757104 296379 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it'll catch on < 1397757189 550495 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too cute not to < 1397757227 142769 :draumr!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397757260 950106 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they ever realised it in bipolar or m.o.s. technology. < 1397757278 298453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a friend of ¹(a)¹ and ²(a)² -- the number denotes what a must be to get the value 2. < 1397757292 740188 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :hvidie < 1397757360 447038 :hvidie!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1397757573 428822 :atslash!~atslash@playisland.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397757737 100894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose idea it was anyway to make it unclear whether calling something a "binary operator" (resp. a ternary operator) means that it takes two (resp. three) inputs or that it has two (resp. three) states for those inputs? < 1397757924 547532 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. i don't think i've heard the latter. until um, just now. < 1397757945 956481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose idea was it that the term "special case" should have two opposite meanings < 1397758026 767383 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://nlab.mathforge.org/nlab/show/red%20herring%20principle < 1397758037 3988 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mathematical red herring principle is the principle that in mathematics, a “red herring” need not, in general, be either red or a herring." < 1397758082 838253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "two-input ternary operator" was an instance of the latter use. < 1397758100 222778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this other "Ternary Exclusive Or" is an instance of the former. < 1397758139 796368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what kind of hat did you get for free; also how? < 1397758143 404449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's just a boolean logic connective that's true iff exactly one of its three inputs is true.) < 1397758145 338062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397758147 102620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mopocoin relyknitiationcoin hairequitcoin pingbraicoin liheidifycoin rpecoin bdallcoin duplycoin rubeofthecoin pcoin buggonaltcoin peracoin claimcoin aftgreurochesecoin festcoin selectpcoin hercoin wildcoin obfurlocoin mckecoin < 1397758159 186424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi:mopo == en:moped. < 1397758171 869826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubeofthecoin < 1397758193 312981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplycoin doesn't even try to prevent double-spending. < 1397758249 770631 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, some form of knit cap < 1397758324 218332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I didn't even know the next Ubuntu was going to be the "Trusty Tahr" and now it's released. < 1397758370 766285 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope ubuntu dies after Zebra < 1397758378 192557 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If for no other reason < 1397758410 400284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The development code name page already goes up to 20.04 that will start with F; they just loop around. < 1397758422 760762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one where they list suggestions, that is. < 1397758479 24581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The U names sound p. stupid. < 1397760764 522791 :mekeor!~user@2001:4ca0:2fff:4::3a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397760856 961439 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397760937 161602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, duplycoin is like the treasure in Bellatrix Lestrange's vault in Gringotts: it's enchanted so that when you touch it it produces duplicates that look similar but are worthless, and also glow hot < 1397761008 973975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've said it before but they should loop around with fungi next < 1397761041 575236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ascendent Amanita, Beautiful Bolete, Charming Chanterelle < 1397761114 829558 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397761203 341278 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pwxnxgfnzizedxyp JOIN :#esoteric < 1397761326 225502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good idea. then bacteria, then plants after that. < 1397761460 326125 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1397761675 760554 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397762110 967089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious dekkera, esoteric ergot, faithful flammulina, glistening ganoderma, happy hypholoma, intriguing inocybe, jovial jelly, keen kuehneromyces < 1397762553 861626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :leafy laetiporus, magnificent morel, noble neolentinus, omniscient omphalotus, pleasing pleurotus, quixotic queletia, rustic russula < 1397762571 475751 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397762593 458616 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397762898 67315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (949) < 1397762898 765394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (949): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1397763022 460991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :superb saccharomyces, tasty truffle, unctuous urnula, vernal velvet-foot, wonderful wine-cap, xenodochial xylaria < 1397763030 435518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get back to you on y and z < 1397763046 115857 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397763086 652653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea if velvet foot mushrooms actually grow in the spring; also it's the same critter as flammulina < 1397763208 560684 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397763266 559358 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397763687 569329 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397763901 96791 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397763901 542622 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 QUIT :Changing host < 1397763901 728197 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397763963 642321 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397764302 428188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loveable lactobacillus < 1397764585 662406 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397764701 656454 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397764705 363962 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397765851 13001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://livegrep.com/search/linux?q=CHICKEN < 1397766336 799579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39347 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+2349) 10new holographic language < 1397766382 982113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39348&oldid=39347 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+2) 10 < 1397766669 844355 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397766859 783869 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397767163 93333 :doesthiswork!80df9227@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.146.39 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397767179 453350 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397767274 651040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball < 1397767275 320419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concentrate and ask again. < 1397767279 611916 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'k < 1397767406 349965 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://opensslrampage.org/post/83019384273/ok-there-was-a-need-for-openssl-cleanse-instead all your favorite drama, now in tumblr form < 1397767420 143033 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell @ hollang < 1397768378 519652 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397768973 994688 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm loving this, i looked up what OPENSSL_malloc is < 1397768977 548613 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPENSSL_malloc is a macro that expands to a call to CRYPTO_malloc, which calls a function pointer. the default value of that function pointer is a function that calls another function pointer. the default value of /that/ function pointer is, finally, malloc. < 1397769034 695520 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1397769079 127910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you sure there's not one too many levels of funptr indirection there...? < 1397769085 507709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd... be surprised but not surprised enough < 1397769108 378201 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. the outer function pointer is "malloc_ex_func" which is like malloc but takes __LINE__ and __FILE__ < 1397769123 342339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1397769160 988245 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, the whole purpose for this is that if nothing's been allocated yet, you (as in you, outside the library) can call a function to switch all these pointers to something else < 1397769181 475552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually useful sometimes, for what it's worth < 1397769183 2661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmp offers it too < 1397769200 535216 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE LIBC MALLOC IS TOO SLOW < 1397769287 348139 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does mercurial's web interface let you grep code or no < 1397769442 971020 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[-1] = (0xdeadbeef << 31) + 0xdeafdeed; <-- nifty (in gmp) < 1397769473 964705 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397769576 605637 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would they shift a 32-bit number by 31 bites < 1397769587 371214 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be hungry < 1397769594 803515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/es/s < 1397769687 728099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be 64 bits < 1397769695 597807 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's aprt of a debug section < 1397769718 808019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 36 < 1397769730 516575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to quote another popular value ;-) ) < 1397769737 418867 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xdeadbeef is a 32-bit constant < 1397769757 522916 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397769813 489799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an int < 1397769837 831180 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't know how many bits it has from the compiler's perspective < 1397769892 420476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :libpng has a compile-time option (PNG_USER_MEM_SUPPORTED) that lets you switch around the memory allocation functions. < 1397769903 477681 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that's in the cray mpn code or something, it's going to be a 32-bit unsigned int < 1397770028 22136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And GMP has at least reasonable chances of running on such a thing, compared to many other pieces of code. < 1397770064 928381 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know there is cray mpn code (and probably people still using it) < 1397770313 911894 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gmplib.org/repo/gmp/file/55ff6b8d9a92/memory.c#l130 i come bearing context < 1397770356 590941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's curious. < 1397770359 521891 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's probably what it is for no particular reason < 1397770384 831016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since mp_ptr is an mp_limb_t *, and quite often mp_limb_t is unsigned long instead. < 1397770396 961281 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's repeated a dozen times, though, and you'd think it'd be a macro at that point < 1397770448 967278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would presumably make sense to convert the constants to mp_limb_t. < 1397770545 266078 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it looks like a "bug" < 1397770698 432451 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1397770784 129393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I believe it's possibly undefined behaviour on a system where int is larger than 32 bits but smaller than 64. < 1397770844 424212 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? The shift is valid as long as unsigned int is 32-bit or larger. < 1397770859 26500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the type of an unsuffixed hex constant 0xdeadbeef is signed int if it can represent the value. < 1397770879 118102 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, evil. < 1397770882 162271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And E1 << E2, when E1 has a signed type, is undefined if E1 * 2^E2 is not representable in the result type. < 1397771130 299544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also kind of nasty, the way the types of integer literals changed from C89 to C99. < 1397771179 995985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure they had to, thanks to the introduction of long long. But there used to be a "fallback" option for also unsuffixed decimal constants to end up as "unsigned long" if they were too long for a long. < 1397771282 524034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/SCIF and so on. < 1397771308 460439 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I always cast numeric values before doing anything weird with them < 1397771309 236723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the silliest messages, __int128 is not unsigned. < 1397771635 463612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: C89 (or at least the "ansi.c.txt" draft that keeps circulating around) does not seem to really define E1 << E2 at all if E1 is signed. < 1397771665 742807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The result of E1 << E2 is E1 left-shifted E2 bit positions; vacated bits are filled with zeros. If E1 has an unsigned type, the value of the result is E1 multiplied by the quantity, 2 raised to the power E2, reduced modulo ULONG_MAX+1 if E1 has type unsigned long, UINT_MAX+1 otherwise. (The constants ULONG_MAX and UINT_MAX are defined in the header .)" < 1397771674 742709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all it says on the topic of left shifts. < 1397771752 559065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C99 adds the "if signed type and nonnegative value and E1*2^E2 is representable" sentence.) < 1397771803 543523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/dr_081.html apparently it was entirely implementation-defined for C89. < 1397771804 96123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397772150 633664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is an ongoing discussion about what privacy means and if it is still needed. Some tracks differ from the versions on the albums listed. It was a tremendous success and marked the beginning of Italian operatic dominance north of the Alps." < 1397772169 824599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice spam-filter avoidance header, I even thought it was something sane at first. < 1397772251 518768 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397772331 893742 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-094-221-220-083.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397772382 463962 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you write spam subject lines < 1397772383 99861 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: the honourable member will be aware that all eurocontrol does is coordinate flights a priori. we are also acknowledging that this parliament sends the message that i would not be accepted by the council last week, when we discuss matters such as pay and conditions in a coastal area into account when drawing up the olive sector, the communal services, the commission generally agrees with. < 1397772457 781103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can believe that would avoid some filters. < 1397772469 24140 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concerning thing, mr president, is that we are at more-or-less the point where fungot can speak more coherently than some healthy adults < 1397772469 682726 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: mr president, i agree with you in mind. amendments nos 84 and 85 on reviewing the priority list do not allow the commission to take due account of the particular problem arising from the strategies will be adopted today in the role of the court of justice in the fnord session of the parliament, to support the airlines in their country. < 1397772508 931856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: this can be fixed by redefining healthy again hth < 1397772515 390725 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397772528 824389 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hit them in the head, they are no longer healthy < 1397772578 484914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine the fnord session of the parliament is where they discuss the secret illuminati stuff. < 1397772639 391336 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActiveX components enable you to display ActiveX controls in your GUI. They are available only on the Microsoft® Windows® platform. < 1397772689 772362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you doing MATLAB®™ there? < 1397772713 805128 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397772722 278487 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wondering if i should bother figuring out how to grey out a textbox < 1397772733 509299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there are symbols for trademarks and copyrights, is there one for patents < 1397772758 124224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: U+1F4A9 hth < 1397772775 438420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+1F4A9 < 1397772776 311183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1397772788 817439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE < 1397772803 716117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/unicode < 1397772804 369502 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- \ import re \ import sys \ import unicodedata \ def l(c): m = re.match('(?:U+)?([0-9a-f]{1,5})$', c, re.I); return unicodedata.lookup(c) if m is None else unichr(int(m.group(1),16)) \ try: \ print u''.join(map(l, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8') \ except KeyError: \ print u'Unknown characte < 1397772825 292023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1397772828 983762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unescaped + < 1397772834 476502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shows how well I test these things. < 1397772850 20114 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just the standard unicode executable? < 1397772864 589508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/U[+]/U[+]/' bin/unicode < 1397772866 324144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397772871 295803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+1F4A9 < 1397772872 23595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​💩 < 1397772873 922892 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh this is #esoteric, _sir_ < 1397772882 64251 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow owned. good one < 1397772907 519809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 💩 < 1397772908 470835 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1F4A9 DUNNO] < 1397772908 938247 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :python isn't very esoteric (below 100 lines, at least) < 1397772929 182965 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, that character describes these programs also < 1397772940 463726 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/unidecode < 1397772941 91056 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ import unicodedata \ print u" ".join("[U+{0:04X} {1}]".format(ord(c), unicodedata.name(c, "DUNNO")) for c in " ".join(sys.argv[1:]).decode("utf-8")).encode("utf-8") < 1397772958 789643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all up to the version of Python unicodedata that's installed there. < 1397772970 317620 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python --version < 1397772970 971671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7.3 < 1397772989 373278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least we've got it out of UCS-2 nowadays; it was stuck in that for ages. < 1397773018 939693 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c $'import unicodedata\nprint unicodedata.unidata_version' < 1397773019 824665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.2.0 < 1397773067 61191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close. < 1397773087 291766 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397773090 740668 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To add an image to a push button or toggle button, assign the button's CData property an m-by-n-by-3 array of RGB values that defines RGB (Truecolor) Images." < 1397773102 725941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In case you don't feel like looking it up, it was just PILE OF POO. < 1397773156 433435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was obvious once i could see it properly; putty only displayed the left part < 1397773220 154482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, stalker mode has stopped eworking for me. < 1397773247 280127 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can extend the file types that the open command recognizes to include any file having a three-character extension. Do this by creating a MATLAB code file with the name openxyz.m. xyz is the file extension for the type of files to be handled. Do not, however, take this approach for opening FIG-files, because openfig.m is a MATLAB function which is needed to open GUIs." < 1397773251 994587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just something with the Android tablet's browser, but it doesn't seem better on this desktop either. < 1397773252 537013 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good system. < 1397773270 282948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps on scrolling and blinking. < 1397773497 512594 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397773641 658591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't use stalker mode anyway. < 1397773723 431286 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397773810 570242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah >>= flip when $ do ... <-- the precedences are wrong for that to work. < 1397773831 140528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo blah >>= flip when $ do ... <-- the precedences are wrong for that to work. < 1397773831 568750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397773846 877037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is Sgeo not here < 1397773877 777315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t return True >>= do flip when $ Just () < 1397773878 870752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe () < 1397773881 104944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1397773903 59519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1397773925 948441 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397773963 918233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy use of do < 1397773974 783103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do flip when $ Just () < 1397773975 953026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool -> Maybe () < 1397773982 819232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just $ 5 :: Int < 1397773984 474325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Types.Int’ < 1397773984 655958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Data.Maybe.Maybe s0’ < 1397773985 568590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just $ do 5 :: Int < 1397773987 300282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 5 < 1397773997 387358 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do int < 1397774012 243697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure if the last one is portable < 1397774035 468582 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portable to what < 1397774040 877499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is do with just one expression guaranteed to work if the expression doesn't have monadic type < 1397774041 877135 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugs obviously < 1397774048 448184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also uhc < 1397774048 977397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes IIRC < 1397774062 736362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in the report? < 1397774082 747093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes IIRC < 1397774088 243841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the desugaring doesn't talk about types I think < 1397774093 747633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only that it uses Prelude return/(>>=) < 1397774098 868118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if so then you actually _can_ use do as a general-purpose precedence fixer, huh < 1397774195 34304 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file /usr/share/unicode/unicodeData.txt < 1397774195 688421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/share/unicode/unicodeData.txt: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/share/unicode/unicodeData.txt' (No such file or directory) < 1397774198 794589 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file /usr/share/unicode/UnicodeData.txt < 1397774199 584441 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/share/unicode/UnicodeData.txt: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/share/unicode/UnicodeData.txt' (No such file or directory) < 1397774206 352866 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lsb_release -a < 1397774207 449816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No LSB modules are available. \ Distributor ID: Debian \ Description: Debian GNU/Linux \ Release: n/a \ Codename: n/a < 1397774287 247826 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a boring codename < 1397774291 600012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run do let x = 5; x+2 < 1397774293 245593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:18: < 1397774293 427064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1397774303 960332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run do let {x = 5}; x+2 < 1397774305 540073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1397774365 448698 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397774379 13715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the brackets are needed there < 1397774396 994564 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/a is a rock that andy picked up on the way home. He hasn't named it yet. < 1397774417 727384 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell needs more guillemets < 1397774969 138355 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397775049 49414 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://packages.debian.org/sid/unicode-screensaver < 1397775063 40816 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it does the emoji block < 1397775239 381380 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://sources.debian.net/data/main/u/unicode/0.9.7/unicode < 1397775243 73595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-04-17 22:53:59 URL:http://sources.debian.net/data/main/u/unicode/0.9.7/unicode [26623/26623] -> "unicode" [1] < 1397775399 190887 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt < 1397775401 688175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-04-17 22:56:37 URL:http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt [1367023/1367023] -> "UnicodeData.txt" [1] < 1397775409 886678 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how long this will ta.. nevermind. < 1397775452 19185 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv bin/unicode{,.old} && mv unicode UnicodeData.txt bin && chmod +x bin/unicode < 1397775454 111279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397775467 51174 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+1F4A9 < 1397775467 537907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F4A9 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 a9 UTF-16BE: d83ddca9 Decimal: 💩 \ 💩 (💩) \ Uppercase: U+1F4A9 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) < 1397775476 170166 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :o kay < 1397775629 484833 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's,\./UnicodeData\.txt,/hackenv/UnicodeData.txt,' && unicode U+1F4A9 < 1397775630 104856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: no input files < 1397775638 311155 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's,\./UnicodeData\.txt,/hackenv/UnicodeData.txt,' bin/unicode && unicode U+1F4A9 < 1397775640 178303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F4A9 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 a9 UTF-16BE: d83ddca9 Decimal: 💩 \ 💩 (💩) \ Uppercase: U+1F4A9 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) < 1397775682 97061 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+1F4A9 < 1397775683 240005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F4A9 PILE OF POO \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 a9 UTF-16BE: d83ddca9 Decimal: 💩 \ 💩 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1397775691 13968 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that needs to be trimmed. < 1397775749 143618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode PILE OF POO < 1397775750 147653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F4A9 PILE OF POO \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 a9 UTF-16BE: d83ddca9 Decimal: 💩 \ 💩 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1397775784 659756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess it contains all the information needed < 1397775833 403018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/unicode < 1397775834 87948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/unicode: Python script, ASCII text executable < 1397776584 346217 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397776584 528236 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397776593 811648 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397776723 402494 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397776907 531485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hollang14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39349 5* 03Zerk 5* (+225) 10Created page with "Could you clarify "holographically embed them into variables"? How does averaging two bitstrings work, some operation between an ''and'' and an ''or''?--~~~~" < 1397776959 116508 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397777731 830382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EXIT() is really exit(), a gentle surprise but… OPENSSL_EXIT() is really just return()" < 1397777977 761283 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397778008 471260 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397778592 969196 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397778775 452115 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397779202 492142 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1397779247 477926 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397779398 421303 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397779542 83270 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it exits openssl for libc < 1397779551 718393 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1397779557 538812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exit through the gift shop < 1397779593 124753 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397779663 529252 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1397779777 467391 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397779904 137818 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397780089 64614 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397780136 216214 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someday I will understand why every C library abstracts standard everything through four layers of macrology, or rather I won't, because I ain't trying < 1397780164 77730 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397780517 579039 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in the name of portability to systems nobody has used since before most members of this channel were born? < 1397780572 991199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, many members in this channel have probably used obscure systems older than them. < 1397780767 737701 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obscure systems, like autoconf < 1397780894 217711 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397780916 329361 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obscure systems, like IRC < 1397780931 644176 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, i'm older than IRC but presumably many here aren't) < 1397781052 78305 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397781062 158153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even 26 years old. < 1397781099 286745 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397781234 426294 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397781316 90257 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397781329 601057 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397781347 543550 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byp_x2be8C8 < 1397781385 502795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1397781452 903393 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who the target demographic of that ad is :P < 1397781463 71643 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"meet me at the giant mushroom" < 1397781492 969219 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, obviously < 1397781493 439559 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397781562 85661 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397781608 710519 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397781690 602223 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397781759 141008 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would OverlappingInstances be ok if we had typeclasses that were closed? < 1397781818 522704 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397781825 798631 :Bicyclidine!8679f67d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.121.246.125 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397781834 523471 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397781924 846504 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397781978 499483 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397782023 547428 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397782131 517244 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397782195 414731 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397782608 71850 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397782635 474087 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397783664 786539 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397783740 32907 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397784655 854335 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397784731 30591 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397786192 368292 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397786360 4418 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397786360 595071 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397787077 717446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hollang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39350&oldid=39349 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+474) 10 < 1397787664 681253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39351&oldid=39348 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+5) 10 < 1397787816 363260 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397788072 423746 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the current bot percentage < 1397788261 819434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 9/86 < 1397788263 891214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.10465116279069768 < 1397788285 493795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one bot left, but the channel also shrank a bit otherwise < 1397788304 64365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can count myndzi in a pinch < 1397788314 494580 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad to hear that the invarient holds < 1397788389 402405 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397788401 794246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's back < 1397788407 995173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10/86 < 1397788408 582992 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :040.11627906976744186 : 12Float < 1397788409 668726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.11627906976744186 < 1397788424 39482 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean 87 < 1397788429 524138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1397788434 506144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 10/87 < 1397788434 936899 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :040.11494252873563218 : 12Float < 1397788475 216263 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what percentage of the bots can answer this question? < 1397788495 227760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course there might be bots we don't know about < 1397788518 240058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: answer nooodl's question please < 1397788518 578585 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, in the last instance by the directorate-general for personnel, you share the commission's satisfaction with the support of this house. < 1397788551 311403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 down, 9 to go < 1397788761 93662 :Patashu[Zzz]!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu_ < 1397788764 339656 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1397788782 259316 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 10/87 < 1397788782 629325 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: mr president, on such a basis. i think no one would take it seriously and do not fall within the scope of objective 1, we cannot tell you anything more at present. < 1397788798 547045 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ 10/87 < 1397788804 226389 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 10/87 < 1397788805 407229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/87? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1397788845 57532 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1397788845 243196 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-ircslave ( , jconn ) , blsqbot ! < 1397788850 621013 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 10%87 < 1397788850 933807 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: 0.114943 < 1397789099 611189 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! 10/87 < 1397789109 677454 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10/87 < 1397789122 657693 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( 10/87 < 1397789123 97292 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :040.11494252873563218 : 12Float < 1397789131 591140 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops already done < 1397789154 597287 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` 10/87 < 1397789155 76642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1397789181 261189 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ 10/87 < 1397789190 651761 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ 10/87 < 1397789196 285465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot isn't usually here. < 1397789206 323710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia is only when boily is. < 1397789243 864792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runpython print 10/87 < 1397789245 800206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: runpython: not found < 1397789253 91950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i thought there was a command like that < 1397789267 152643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 10/87' < 1397789267 886864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1397789274 656385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print 10.0/87' < 1397789275 316227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.114942528736 < 1397789292 971645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print 10.0/87 < 1397789295 160078 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.114942528736 < 1397789351 673323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting fungot to calculate that is going to take some work. < 1397789352 777269 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, the purpose of our action could not be settled through the consultation procedure in this case of seven years, and that is after cooperation between the usa and to which our response can no longer be ruled out that any such transports do not allow us to be able to take into account what opinions are prevalent in the committee on women’s rights and the proper criteria for selecting the companies to be ins < 1397789403 360730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (0.114942528736)S(although we can cheat a bit more) < 1397789403 583669 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.114942528736 < 1397789404 828375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr president, i don't like you, ♫ YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO ROCK ♫ < 1397789865 451151 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397789919 998117 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397789920 181468 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1397789920 181537 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397789971 639819 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1397790094 686298 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Client Quit < 1397791370 991587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you know how to rock < 1397791371 740589 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: madam president, i have taken on serious proportions. to dismiss these arguments with the other institutions to the concept of fixed controls with that of the impact of liberalising the energy markets on the consumer to pay for energy and transport policies is to be in favour of the previous explanation of vote in this budget process. three issues stand out, namely that there is a whole package of measures represents a goo < 1397791392 69495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote kmc: madam president, i have taken on serious proportions. < 1397791392 289957 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: madam president, the marinho report, which gives priority to research and partly to the many members who are deeply concerned about the absence of any further scientific progress. < 1397791394 538486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1185) kmc: madam president, i have taken on serious proportions. < 1397791422 755265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'll show you my package of measures < 1397791423 186254 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: madam president, it gives us the greatest concern to us all imperative that we do not get left behind in relation to compliance with the fundamental principle of maintaining a capitalist system in which there is much talk of the collapse in the near future < 1397791443 955463 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a pretty shoddy fundament, not gonna lie < 1397791446 224266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1397791451 309829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last one is gold < 1397791461 766473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :purestrain gold < 1397791661 57763 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://opensslrampage.org/post/83007010531/well-even-if-time-isnt-random-your-rsa-private-key < 1397791713 585891 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are no plans to ever build this with the Metrojerks compiler." < 1397791767 233093 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :During the 1990s, Apple Computer released a monthly series of developer CD-ROMs containing resources for programming the Macintosh. These CDs were, in the early days, whimsically titled using punning references to various movies but with a coding twist; for example, "The Hexorcist" (The Exorcist), "Lord of the Files" (Lord of the Flies), "Gorillas in the Disc" (Gorillas in the Mist), etc. < 1397791789 483454 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397791805 168992 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit the stratus thing < 1397791834 914738 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case your i386 converts < 1397791849 579166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Most will argue that x86_64 is always little-endian. Well, yes, but then we have stratus.com who has modified gcc to "emulate" big-endian on x86. Is there evidence that they [or somebody else] won't do same for x86_64? Naturally no.» < 1397791877 15089 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so anyway that's why we're supporting architectures that don't exist" < 1397791902 820614 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brought to you buy the people who brought you heartbeats for tcp < 1397792019 124279 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397792058 394981 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397792123 739382 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As snprintf is not available everywhere, we provide our own implementation." < 1397792192 295577 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/crypto/bio/b_print.c?rev=1.18;content-type=text%2Fplain this is... actually a printf implementation, isn't it < 1397792379 957483 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints into a BIO, so its not really "printf" per se < 1397792392 352559 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397792416 998242 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a BIO_snprintf too < 1397792455 511648 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strncpy(d, s, strlen(s)), also good < 1397792579 284375 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen that more times than you'd think :( < 1397792628 362407 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice 'n' safe < 1397792701 592837 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397793129 421038 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397793178 156978 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/23a8bf/openssl_valhalla_rampage_documenting_the_humorous/cgvbfch?context=1 < 1397793194 689772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQU22Ttpwc SSL theme song < 1397793533 59580 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A technical argument by a trusted author, which < 1397793533 348537 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hard to check and looks similar to arguments known to be correct, is hardly ever < 1397793536 65737 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked in detail." < 1397793652 772287 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hollang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39352&oldid=39350 5* 03Zerk 5* (+170) 10 < 1397793778 863915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hollang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39353&oldid=39352 5* 03Zerk 5* (+1) 10 < 1397794030 844621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hollang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39354&oldid=39353 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+191) 10 < 1397794052 667266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hollang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39355&oldid=39354 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+6) 10 < 1397794192 466759 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on coq and mathematics and getting mistakes out of proofs: http://www.math.ias.edu/~vladimir/Site3/Univalent_Foundations_files/2014_IAS.pdf < 1397794226 281488 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that posted here recently? I remeber reading that a couple days ago < 1397794329 871247 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the coq's C being undefined business < 1397794332 206614 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont know < 1397794338 592046 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not about coq's C. < 1397794375 860751 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397794391 426551 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397794586 884023 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397794587 793748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be pretty great thinking you can prove things < 1397794614 60792 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would prob not be worth being a mathematician if you thought you couldnt < 1397794669 891734 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thankfully I am not. < 1397794728 834165 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can coq's (compcert's?) C be undefined < 1397794788 208589 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: beats me http://blog.regehr.org/archives/903 < 1397794842 608171 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom has coqchk's rather than coqtop's. < 1397794885 988837 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the runtime issue < 1397794894 945314 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :regehr is being a sensationalist as usual < 1397794916 56619 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Therefore someone who wanted to get to the bottom of things in mathematics had a simpleroad to follow - learn what Predicate Logic is, then learn a particular theory called ZFC, thenlearn how to translate propositions about a few basic mathematical concepts into formulas ofZFC, and then learn to believe, through examples, that the rest of mathematics can be reducedto these few basic concepts. " lol < 1397794922 498564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very sensationalist, have you seen what clang does with UB < 1397794937 8413 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, you'd prob want to hold coq to a high standard < 1397794944 849394 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you might as well bitch that the hardware has bugs (it does) < 1397794947 880243 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if any of those issues are in the important core of coq < 1397794950 495363 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now we come to the important question: Is Coq's validity threatened? The short answer is that this seems unlikely." yeah i can see how you'd read this and think it's sensationalist < 1397794954 444959 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if they're all in stuff thats "untrusted" anyway < 1397794954 646335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these are not compiler bugs < 1397794963 67295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, the compiler writers wouldn't agree they are, and nor would the C committee < 1397794969 871822 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "coq's C is undefined" < 1397794970 57444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they actually break things in practice, so...? < 1397794985 256926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come the fuck on < 1397794989 731526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that string appears nowhere on the linked page < 1397794993 151248 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of coq needs to be correct to be trustworthy < 1397795002 715667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you believe Bike is regehr < 1397795011 526804 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is C code in ocaml or its runtime, so who knows, probably most C code in ocaml is used at some point or other < 1397795016 910772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too busy poking flies to be regehr, thankfully < 1397795036 588425 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, regehr does say: "This output means that Coq---via OCaml---is executing a number of C's undefined behaviors before it even asks for any input from the user. The problem with undefined behaviors is that, according to the standard, they destroy the meaning of the program that executes them." < 1397795056 682614 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any more trustworthy versions of ocaml? < 1397795058 248330 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :regehr's other posts are equally colourful < 1397795072 154405 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have really sad standards for color < 1397795074 266346 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are projects to do verified runtimes of ocaml and/or sml < 1397795106 477561 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just have to rerun your coq proof on a trusted ocaml once to verify that the c langauge didnt ruin your picnic < 1397795111 24174 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a paper on verified bignum libraries for x86 < 1397795119 354621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh his blog is incredibly dry and even-handed by any standards I can think of, have you ever seen most programming blogs < 1397795132 22568 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you are verifying to this standard, by the way, the C standard is irrelevant < 1397795143 114393 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, the cpu your computer is running on is also flawed < 1397795145 207672 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You check the compiler of ocaml itself, and the generated machine code < 1397795150 867746 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily it mostly does the right thing < 1397795152 284512 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think regehr probably thinks so too! < 1397795155 99131 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compilers don't implement the C standard, either < 1397795182 726527 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet: i heard some C compilers were even written before the language standard existed! < 1397795198 352884 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not an implication of "coq is totally wrong" from "haha, unsigned shifts" unless you have really bizarre ideas about math < 1397795229 186779 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: there seems to be an underlying "you cnat prove things" theme though in your discussion < 1397795229 373397 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard some C compilers wrote the standard < 1397795248 721974 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: in mine yeah. i don't think it's what regehr means though. < 1397795287 925565 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm only reading past the first few paragraphs of regehr's post now < 1397795303 735632 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in a practical sense, you can use lots of compiler flags on a modern compiler to make those undefined operations do what the human thought they did < 1397795326 873388 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the most part (not always.. some of it is inherent in the translation to hardware ops.. like shifting more than 32 bits on a 32 bit cpu...) < 1397795338 768911 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are people who have been studying the effects of undefined C ops < 1397795344 427677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll first, actually read things later < 1397795419 78854 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great fun http://people.csail.mit.edu/nickolai/papers/wang-undef.pdf < 1397795511 415009 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The third component < 1397795511 609529 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a structure that enables humans to encode < 1397795511 795471 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical ideas in terms of the objects directly associated with the < 1397795513 277635 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://people.csail.mit.edu/nickolai/papers/wang-stack.pdf has a nice table showing diff compilers and optimization levels < 1397795514 521967 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :language. " er sorry < 1397795523 638341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that's an interesting way of seeing how people think < 1397795571 977909 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone can run this STACK tool on ocaml and fix the compiler < 1397795584 101931 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this related to fuck shit stacks < 1397795593 620954 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stacks all the way down < 1397795605 708136 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, libc bugs < 1397795608 412958 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :put some fuckshit, stack it on top of itself. that's ocaml < 1397795757 676679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of wish I was still writing fancy SSE code so I could finally port it to AVX on my Haswell CPU. < 1397795816 8275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397795817 571386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newbrict.github.io/Fe26/ < 1397795942 5333 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :triple alpha continues to be suffering < 1397796001 114589 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/448ea0eae861248df6710920c23f167647f487ca < 1397796096 624355 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital crime and forensic science in cyberspace < 1397796160 220330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks magnesium < 1397796160 797548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, magnesium. Thagnesium. < 1397796176 334687 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397796181 79705 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i completely agree ;_; < 1397796244 668792 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1634/stemcells.2008-0184/abstract meanwhile in science < 1397796645 272231 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Retraction notice ‘that is, the text supplied by Legal’." < 1397796729 305923 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice to see the scientific method in all its wonderful detail, isn't it < 1397796825 265312 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is interesting http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/0179d4e553d5f01de48877acefd1ebc795e2ce0a < 1397796840 601284 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goto err; i = -1; .... err: return i;" < 1397797001 442955 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397797751 221548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aliendovecote.com/uploads/twine/sauna.html < 1397797871 501508 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION inserts USB into kilobyte < 1397797889 800076 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/5bptf82xl4h0y52/Screenshot%202014-04-18%2001.11.25.png < 1397797924 35300 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397798045 403675 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was < 1397798047 915671 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusual < 1397798075 655775 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. < 1397798168 350497 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOTE: Don't expect any of these programs to work with current OpenSSL releases, or even with later SSLeay releases. < 1397798173 258325 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still in the src tree... < 1397798179 923965 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like an append-only log < 1397798254 810583 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are 'these programs'? < 1397798284 944631 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these: http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/eadb750b87b4a90c1284f6361d6c3ea6d6e26f66 < 1397798465 809638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode 1234 12345 4321 < 1397798467 5360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1234 ETHIOPIC SYLLABLE SEE \ UTF-8: e1 88 b4 UTF-16BE: 1234 Decimal: ሴ \ ሴ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+12345 CUNEIFORM SIGN URU TIMES KI \ UTF-8: f0 92 8d 85 UTF-16BE: d808df45 Decimal: 𒍅 \ 𒍅 \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+4321 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4321 \ < 1397798480 690282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit long if you want to do several. < 1397798505 561730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess the extra info is nice too. < 1397798562 290898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode -s foo < 1397798563 297857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0066 LATIN SMALL LETTER F \ UTF-8: 66 UTF-16BE: 0066 Decimal: f \ f (F) \ Uppercase: U+0046 \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O \ UTF-8: 6f UTF-16BE: 006f Decimal: o \ o (O) \ Uppercase: U+004F \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+006F LATIN SMA < 1397798572 546379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just won't do at all for a `unidecode replacement, however. < 1397799647 746095 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397799843 986309 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397799892 728580 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1397800613 930902 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397800660 734857 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397800680 6750 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397800759 329608 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cybertiggyr.com/babbage.html < 1397800932 493175 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The new language is thus named after the first systems designer to go over budget and behind schedule." cute. < 1397801049 514591 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397801079 816800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'A hotly contested issue among language designers is the method for passing parameters to subfunctions. Some advocate "call by name," others prefer "call by value." Babbage uses a new method -- "call by telephone."' erlang < 1397801174 20155 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397801186 499944 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397801397 913160 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over The Phone < 1397801840 911542 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the phone radar < 1397801873 897013 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the phone booth < 1397802194 546325 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t from < 1397802195 449795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Profunctor p, Functor f) => AnIso s t a b -> p t (f s) -> p b (f a) < 1397802199 101502 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong from < 1397802213 489632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right, it would be much better with pure profunctor lenses. :-( < 1397802295 50434 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1397802300 227658 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm interested in GHC.Generics < 1397802727 244166 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1397803482 655202 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/CC-delcont-0.2/docs/Control-Monad-CC-Dynvar.html < 1397803494 777753 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's storing values of arbitrary types ? < 1397803515 28963 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this implies ST could be made in pure Haskell? Or am I missing something? < 1397803540 269663 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Besides the possible negative performance implications of doing so) < 1397803561 412326 :nikozzzzzz!~nikozzzzz@188.226.124.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397803581 359462 :nikozzzzzz!~nikozzzzz@188.226.124.86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1397803586 411041 :nikozzzzzz!~nikozzzzz@188.226.124.86 QUIT :Client Quit < 1397803881 50220 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the case for :+:, we produce False or True depending on whether the constructor of the value provided is located on the left or on the right:" < 1397803905 828625 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with niko on this one < 1397803908 273377 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for A | B | C, the exact serialization depends on the nesting of :+: ? < 1397803932 339641 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the GHC compiler changes how that nesting works, could that break reserialization? < 1397803944 416466 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reading the example in http://hackage.haskell.org/package/generic-deriving-1.6.3/docs/Generics-Deriving-Base.html ) < 1397804100 566263 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm continually amazed by how complicated everybody makes haskell sound < 1397804357 428531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought of another name that has a name < 1397804357 655793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an MIT Mystery Hunt team whose name was the entirety of Atlas Shrugged < 1397804385 23669 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst buffer overflow in human history < 1397805014 100171 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Generic Generic Programming < 1397805014 675245 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1397805064 251976 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's my phylogenetic programming < 1397806246 162475 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397806348 681220 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397806351 601273 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1397806600 710006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi slereah < 1397806745 871316 :hubert!~hubert@apn-95-40-230-48.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397807035 578599 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397807151 595598 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397807298 602580 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397807803 884622 :hubert!~hubert@apn-95-40-230-48.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397807812 641912 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397807985 966787 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397807986 316986 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397808604 649910 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEHdDjVrGEM everyone's favorite movie < 1397809010 43904 :hubert!~hubert@apn-5-60-242-252.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397811091 131270 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397811343 651638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Llrsexme 5* 10New user account < 1397811504 848610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Llrsexme14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39356 5* 03Llrsexme 5* (+2418) 10Created page with "Depending on scientific studies, introduction regarding virgin mobile acrylic inside eating habits is available being invaluable to take care of gallstone problems. To make ce..." < 1397811552 531777 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhm < 1397812146 558254 :hubert!~hubert@apn-5-60-242-252.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397812394 74459 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397812421 460688 :hubert!~hubert@apn-5-60-242-252.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397812992 686742 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397812996 387073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently openssl had support (of some kind?) for big-endian x86 and x86-64 < 1397813672 893579 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397813756 358297 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1397813772 593834 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397814590 473587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397814590 699565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host < 1397814590 699621 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1397814628 738281 :hubert!~hubert@apn-5-60-242-252.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397816037 910113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: scary < 1397816833 566240 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratus_VOS has a compiler that makes your x86 code big endian < 1397817082 408504 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pwxnxgfnzizedxyp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397817464 224033 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1397817465 739921 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397817653 492046 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397817714 130217 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397818768 507259 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397819782 578887 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397819976 459287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sure, and you can implement something very close to big-endian integer types in C++ too < 1397820079 915158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't make the CPU itself big-endian < 1397820140 933929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, why? And what b_jonas said < 1397820359 349879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, huh, after reading the article, who uses that sort of stuff? < 1397822214 579007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think x86 modified to be big endian exists out there, but the average x86 processor won't support that < 1397822428 592954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it exists as an emulator, sort of < 1397822436 812232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it exists as a physical cpu < 1397822695 537570 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not < 1397823997 179188 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397828707 513802 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397829058 535358 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91310.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397829058 925381 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF91310.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397829059 110824 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1397829177 127014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are people asking for syntax highlighting for languages like brainfuck where it totally doesn't make sense? < 1397829283 350401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe I can understand that in C you want to color macros, type names, objects, functions, undefined identifiers. < 1397829316 282879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a language that doesn't have that kind of thing, or it can't be determined without running the program, what would syntax highlighting even do? < 1397829333 556395 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397829419 666132 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397830068 801368 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hey: I like them brackets blue! < 1397830177 18138 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also'd love a brainfuck eclipse plugin. < 1397830203 813167 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can use it more professionlly. < 1397830240 768233 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although brainfuck completely lacks any library support < 1397830246 451782 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit of a turn down. < 1397830477 842003 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a BF version with libraries? < 1397830483 73190 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be too hard < 1397830709 6901 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397830727 114971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: with so many variants out there, there's probably one < 1397830891 228891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02User talk:Llrsexme10]]": Spam: content was: "Depending on scientific studies, introduction regarding virgin mobile acrylic inside eating habits is available being invaluable to take care of gallstone probl..." (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Llrsexme|Llrsexme]]") < 1397830910 280669 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10blocked [[02User:Llrsexme10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites < 1397831494 119800 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397832259 377752 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397833131 169228 :Guest74775!~simpleirc@182.181.184.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397833147 669773 :Guest74775!~simpleirc@182.181.184.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1397833342 850091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest74775: could you elaborate on that point? < 1397833824 748504 :Guest74775!~simpleirc@182.181.184.29 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397834175 90198 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397834864 562548 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397835357 888410 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1397835374 415049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan stop editting the wiki and come here and help me :( < 1397835705 770811 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397837146 18509 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1397837261 872799 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39357&oldid=39346 5* 03Zerk 5* (+13) 10/* Signed */ < 1397838516 665289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39358&oldid=39357 5* 03Zerk 5* (+20) 10/* Nock Interpeter */ nil handling, br math < 1397839049 386263 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrjfwzluluulobcm JOIN :#esoteric < 1397839141 644819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39359&oldid=39358 5* 03Zerk 5* (+49) 10/* Arithmetic */ power of 2 optimization < 1397839368 885540 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397839379 356891 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397839614 316525 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397842055 154074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: some syntax highlighters for lisp will color matching parentheses the same < 1397842069 168099 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heehee http://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978 < 1397842073 127134 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, wrong channel < 1397842454 820495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good link though < 1397842564 135253 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though in general i dont believe i should have to defend every opinion to every person. < 1397842567 952517 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :often it is a waste of time < 1397842658 928977 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should be defensible, but need not always be defended, though you prob should defend ideas once in a while to make sure you're not fooling yourself) < 1397842739 495471 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397843028 861590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I see < 1397843053 889591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I do use the feature where the editor finds me the matching paren, but not with colors < 1397843112 455434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think coloring the parens themselves is not that useful, but some editors will also shade the background behind the text according to the level of nesting < 1397843397 979590 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/142012 example paren colors... in webscale < 1397843410 647787 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the color choice is, frankly, terrible. need queer eye for the straight guy to take a look < 1397843445 890523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskelgbt < 1397843472 213533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I assure you that I have no particular skill at color coördination < 1397843495 897792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like rainbows though :3 < 1397843505 83385 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queer And Also Design-Trained Why Did We Specify Queer Again Eye for the Straight Guy < 1397843532 82127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, why specify straight? < 1397843542 103328 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fashion help for dudes" < 1397843554 736977 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just fashion help < 1397843560 737338 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eye for the Person < 1397843565 606481 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds... sinister. < 1397843565 792500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye for an eye < 1397843601 289785 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's worthwhile to specify "dudes" because it has that connotation of "clueless and careless about fashion" < 1397843613 250753 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow way to be misandric??? < 1397843617 323317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1397843632 433789 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's already a similar show that's female-centric < 1397843644 151149 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait, is the show still on < 1397843646 395439 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all guys are dudes < 1397843652 648214 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just something i vaguely remember from when i was a kid < 1397843656 211630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not last i checked < 1397843662 510422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you were a kid????? < 1397843671 279963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was when i was in college or something < 1397843682 60253 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007, apparently < 1397843686 466558 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is when it ended. < 1397843694 430308 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it started i was... eleven. < 1397843720 976841 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wee one < 1397843898 275946 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be good. a text-only browser like lynx except as modern html compliant as possible < 1397843901 720771 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one of them beefy js engines < 1397843930 942159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :righto < 1397843973 324229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should even AUTOMATICALLY ASCII ART THE IMAGES < 1397844005 773101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: links2, w3m, elinks are all better than lynx at that < 1397844010 953722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of them has bad JS support or something. < 1397844013 624629 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not great though < 1397844386 438230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :9what's the difference between a quintopia and a Bike? < 1397844394 482742 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1397844397 997894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Bike is a smart feller... < 1397844420 499924 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm a bike < 1397844480 320190 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397844518 268968 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's a bike but is Phantom_Hoover a hoover? < 1397844549 511914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hantom foover < 1397844557 535753 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is yes < 1397844591 226046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run a headless webkit and send the output through an ascii art converter < 1397844603 421819 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most ascii art converters suck < 1397844734 44571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1397844893 719630 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. i've seen people do mpeg in high-res ascii, but not full browser < 1397844902 651020 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be interesting seeing youtube in ascii browser < 1397844909 727056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be an amusing hack < 1397844929 271882 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome4ascii < 1397844932 729368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like http://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/?p=3866 < 1397844961 282984 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit i was looking for that yesterday, thank you < 1397845764 164528 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397845794 552012 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397845888 826636 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :static const char rnd_seed[] = "string to make the random number generator think it has entropy"; < 1397845933 425750 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube videos with ascii were there a short time < 1397846514 941643 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397847232 598903 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397848327 981729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days, if you write to /dev/random it gets mixed in the pool but doesn't affect the entropy estimator. < 1397848340 106502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Linux, that is. < 1397848348 909681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure if it has been different.) < 1397848365 458399 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397848382 293374 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you can WRITE in /dev/random? < 1397848391 814396 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397848403 61657 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never got the idea < 1397848421 760079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: A brainfuck syntax highlighter that colors all non-brainfuck-command characters in some "comment" color sounds useful to me, since you'll immediately notice if you e.g. accidentally put a comma in your comment. < 1397848430 214358 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd random(4) page says yes. < 1397848445 266755 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : If the device is using the software generator, writing data to random < 1397848445 519058 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : would perturb the internal state. This perturbation of the internal < 1397848445 704749 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : state is the only userland method of introducing extra entropy into the < 1397848445 704820 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : device. If the writer has superuser privilege, then closing the device < 1397848446 30446 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : after writing will make the software generator reseed itself. < 1397848452 867537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ack. < 1397848500 434191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there are people who syntax-highlight Scheme so that every paren level gets a different background color, you might do that for the brackets to indicate loops. Though it might be more of a distraction. < 1397848563 574982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Befunge I haven't really thought of any (automatic) syntax highlighting worth doing. You could indicate valid commands, maybe, but so many things are. < 1397848589 135361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, kmc mentioned that already. < 1397848636 318938 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need polyglot syntax highlighting < 1397848643 746477 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with rainbow parens for scheme < 1397848694 224060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I started on a manual syntax highlighting/"literate code" kind of thing for fungot, marking and commenting regions, but never got around finishing it. < 1397848694 409775 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i believe that this parliament must take account of the problem. < 1397848712 968518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did do that for a universal Turing machine Befunge thing, then lost the file. :/ < 1397848726 256877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mooz did a very nice highlighted quicksort but that's only in archive.org now. < 1397848754 487855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20060925160554/http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/quux/qsort.html < 1397849760 792465 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also at http://sbp.so/qsort :-) < 1397849804 762614 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like we should make an effort to mirror esolang content to keep it available... < 1397849870 506078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For Befunge-98 compatibility, base64-decode MSwzYwogICAgIDAwOTYqMD4yKzAwcDo6ICAgICAgdgo7YjF4ID4wZzEtXHx2IWAwLSIhIjp+OyM6PAogICAgIF4wLSQkJDI+IzxfXDAwZ3AxKyAgXgouCg== and apply) < 1397849971 420765 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop making sense. < 1397849971 737208 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: president of the commission we will be in a position to give the member states too will take prompt action to update their systems for inspections at sea. < 1397850061 574351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07.yacuabll14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39360&oldid=38967 5* 03192.160.117.140 5* (-21) 10/* Example Program */ Fixed to match website < 1397850111 257108 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: indeed. but have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? < 1397850111 824247 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, i would also draw the commission's attention to a number of occasions i have always understood that during the discussions on climate change, and this is why we stress the need for change. it spells an end to the shortfall of information and inability to be able to take decisions after 2007. cohesion, ladies and gentlemen. < 1397850293 340985 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1397850336 24947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cohesion, ladies and gentlemen." < 1397850347 313414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're quite the orator. < 1397850347 851260 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i too would like to stress very strongly and loudly here in parliament at that time accept an increase of a third country under the european union's great responsibility, and it could cause problems in the application of the agreement: for example references to the presence of president santer, with regard to this objective. < 1397850358 666565 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strong and loud is the key to oration < 1397850529 761125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was either going to ask mooz for the sources and/or permission for a mirror, or did ask, but I don't know which, and if I did ask, what I asked for, and what he said. < 1397850768 124697 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397851022 378156 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397851193 982360 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397851194 619193 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397851410 367710 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.umassd.edu/media/umassdartmouth/collegeofengineering/cisdept/resources/CIS_MS_Dependency_Graph.pdf i wonder why i can't find more of these... oh it's the CS department. < 1397851559 38988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm tempted to scrape out the web interface to our course information system and try to parse a Graphviz graph out of the prequisites field. < 1397851567 669718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the data is very very messy and not machine-readable at all. < 1397851570 485850 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397851590 293886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course not available via any reasonable API either. < 1397851708 857962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how much of them is there? < 1397851735 188512 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397851748 598352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even tell that in any reasonable way. < 1397851769 767570 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i've been thinking the same thing about my school. with the similar problems. < 1397851796 727432 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are a few hundred courses at least. < 1397851801 708996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The search forms can't search an empty field. < 1397851840 777490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: search for each digit < 1397851845 127424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can search for a single letter, apparently. < 1397851857 375927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 4260 courses that have the letter "t" in their course code or name. < 1397851881 387736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how many of those have prerequisites? < 1397851893 518843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I suppose to know *that*? < 1397851952 131692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. I'm glad I don't have to deal with this anymore. < 1397851955 743927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our university is the combination of three universities, so there's not even any single system for course codes. < 1397851962 927533 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, nice < 1397851981 503741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the prequisites field can have completely free text mentioning course names that are probably not even current. < 1397852000 223702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's names in three different languages. < 1397852003 104317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all very messy. < 1397852017 583892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm going to try this. < 1397852023 455794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all three languages filled for all courses? < 1397852026 352835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only one? < 1397852032 360282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything from one to three. < 1397852047 832334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the third (Swedish) is probably pretty rare. < 1397852050 481839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I think here every course has an official English translated name < 1397852069 424218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We probably have courses that don't have an official English name, though those are probably reasonably rare too. < 1397852071 38621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so that's in Finland? < 1397852074 407752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1397852124 675989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a university-level policy that bachelor's-level teaching should be mostly in Finnish, while master's-level stuff should be completely in English. < 1397852126 101757 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the uh... second < 1397852128 434800 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1397852147 17361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, sometimes there are different course codes for the separate language variants. < 1397852153 864497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think only for some "mass" courses, though. < 1397852167 145033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably for easier handling of exams or something like that. < 1397852192 651271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the courses have English names not because they're taught in English, but so that they can be printed to the English translted long diplomas and other forms < 1397852215 217273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had some Finnish course names when I last asked for a course transcript in English. < 1397852222 936792 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally sensible reasons being american annoys me: my cv won't be a weird cosmopolitan morass < 1397852446 774230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a random sampling of course codes, to show how uniform it is: 02115, 04334, 20021, 20A00310, 21C09901, 22771, ..., 37A055, 710000, 90L011, A-112.2501, A61A00100, AS-84.3411, Atk0195, AUT.kand, BECS-C3001, cb0027, CHEM-C2410, ELEC-C4110, et003, Inf-0.3101, KE-30.C, KE-31.4520, LC-8045, tk0299, ... < 1397852454 234623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that includes most of the formats. < 1397852499 328942 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, the most i have to deal with is two (but not all) of the departments having different names at different campuses for no reason i can discern, meaning i have technically never taken a computer science class < 1397852578 100274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did most of my stuff (and got a master's) before the merger, so all my courses were Xxx-NN.DDD where Xxx was the name of a study program ("T" for computer science, "S" for electrical engineering, "Mat" for mathematics, etc.), Xxx-NN a code for a professorship, and DDD a three-digit course code with usually no clear structure. < 1397852601 152312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: here the course codes are at least uniform, mostly: < 1397852645 523114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they switched from three- to four-digit codes with some kind of a inherent structure; I think first digit is more or less approximately the year you're supposed to take it in, or something like that. < 1397852672 731489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the other formats are probably from the other two universities, and now they're transitioning to a entirely new format, perhaps (dare I think) to unify them. < 1397852698 489051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have the form BMETE010002 where "BME" is fixed and is the abbreviation of the university, TE is the two-letter code of the faculty, 01 is two alnums identifying the department owning the course, and 0002 is four alnums identifying the course among those < 1397852737 689029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's this "ELEC-C4110" thing where the first part is a name for a "school" -- we've got six now -- and I don't know how the letter-and-four-numbers part is constructed.) < 1397852762 98165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, at least one department has two different codes because it was renamed once so old courses use the abbreviation of its older name < 1397852777 522287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more than just renamed really, it's complicated) < 1397852787 75933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except "new" maths courses seem to be of the form MS-A0503 and MS-C1110 and so on, even though "MS" is not a school name. < 1397852797 228218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, I'm not going to start figuring this out at this point. < 1397852806 114270 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, i invented a way to easily kill a lot of nerds without raising suspicion < 1397852862 253071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a feature in the online administration system I hated is this: when you search for a course, you must choose one of three options for what to search in, one of the three saying "all course", < 1397852869 926899 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just produce something that moulds REALLY hard and make it limited, with a number on it (that part is important!) < 1397852896 432830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all courses", but even "all courses" doesn't cover all courses, so you have to repeat the search using the other two options as well to find everything (and maybe even then you don't find everything, I don't know) < 1397852923 829212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other feature is that if you log in as a teacher, you get access to much fewer data than if you log in as a student < 1397853012 232065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the worst part is that the developers refuse to listen to complaints, they never fix bugs, and the software is based on some idealized rules which don't really apply to the university < 1397853039 889262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the system has a planned downtime five hours every night for "backup" < 1397853079 349994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's web-based, and they keep changing the javascript code so it only runs on latest versions of browsers, even for features that used to work < 1397853117 167603 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our university intranet is incomparable to the non-intranet, for example the non-intranet contains the official instructions for phd students, as a pdf, and intranet contains an elaborate html version with most (though not all) of that information, but not the actual pdf < 1397853125 440207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all about the state of the last iteration I used. the system before that was better in some respect and worse in some other respects < 1397853141 559564 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not web-based, but instead needed a remote desktop client. < 1397853157 316761 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hehe < 1397853170 38189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we've been iterating through several systems to access this stuff, too. < 1397853195 872193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I have seen important public information accessible only from the intranet, but I haven't seen anything you can access only from non-intranet < 1397853258 787456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one more "formal" thing (Oodi) that does enrollment and (internally) grades and all kind of student management stuff, and then a separate thing for less formal course information (Noppa) which is where weekly exercises and project work and course news and things like that get communicated. < 1397853271 339513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they clearly spent more effort on the stuff on the intranet < 1397853277 214495 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still less information.. < 1397853310 414800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I once got an export from the first thing in a character encoding nobody could identify. < 1397853324 612450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why people would restrict information to a university intranet in first place. Do they think that makes it more secret because only the ten thousand people in the university can access it? < 1397853343 871445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't any of the 1173 supported by iconv on this system, at least. < 1397853399 472523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the informal system (Noppa) can be used to restrict selected material to logged-in users only. < 1397853410 512591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some third level of access, I forget what that could be. < 1397853430 653483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: could you at least identify the family of the encoding, like a 8859-1-alike, or a 437-alike, or a 646-variant (unlikely), or mangled double-utf? < 1397853436 24167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1397853451 615556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, beyond the fact that the ASCII half was there. < 1397853483 601185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did it seem like the information was there? or, like, every non-ascii replaced by a question mark? because I've seen a lot of the latter. < 1397853489 983327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was there. < 1397853500 748521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1397853508 600466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really have much to work with, since the only non-ASCII characters in my export were ä, ö and é. < 1397853516 775480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those three had a different one-byte encoding. < 1397853528 719871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no uppercase letter? < 1397853552 904080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this was a (quite short) list of names, and I guess all first letters happened to be ASCII. < 1397853574 376389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The values for the lowercase letters didn't correspond to any standard encoding I could find. < 1397853581 750373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1397853653 40949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to go looking, 0xc8 for 'é', 0x89 for ä, 0x88 for ö. < 1397853665 264554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's possible it was something custom for this system. < 1397853666 438356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1397853723 425864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not one of the 8859 family, at least, since those have control characters (or nothing; I'm not sure if that's part of it) from 0x80 to 0x9f. < 1397853775 473653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and last email I got from this system had all non-ASCII in the subject line replaced by an "X". < 1397853811 998460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or it could be mangled from two different encodings, but even then it's strange < 1397853828 897394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Further investigation showed that it sends raw ISO-8859-1 directly in the email headers, and somewhere in amavisd/SpamAssassin those got sanitized to "X".) < 1397853854 976384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've recently donwloaded a datasets where half of the text is fine and half has a broken (but luckily recoverable) mangling of the non-ascii < 1397853877 738161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language with esoteric syntax highlighting < 1397854022 964744 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"odd numbers are red and even numbers are blue, except primes are invisible" < 1397854110 680338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a strange kind of synaesthesia < 1397854260 447954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, those codes are strange. they don't seem like 437-derived either to me, nor T1-derived or anything else. < 1397854306 372686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not one of the 8859 family, at least, since those have control characters ... from 0x80 to 0x9f." -- that's not sound logic, because cp1252 and cp1251 have printable characters at most of those places < 1397854328 460237 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean cp1252 and cp1250 < 1397854347 601380 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these codes aren't those of course < 1397854349 564326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I wouldn't call those part of the 8859 family just because they coincide with one elsewhere. < 1397854351 986840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for c in $(iconv -l); do if printf '\xc8' | iconv -f $c 2>/dev/null | grep -q é; then echo $c; fi; done < 1397854380 268784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I sort of did that already, except with iconv -l | while read cs; do if [ "$(printf '\x89\x88\xc8' | iconv -f $cs -t utf8)" = "äöé" ]; then echo $cs; fi; done 2>/dev/null < 1397854382 414487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397854391 103854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't get anything either < 1397854419 766832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cp1250 doesn't quite coincide, just almost. as for whether you call it family, whatever, but they're still something I have to check if I don't know the encodings because they're frequent. < 1397854505 472759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I hate about cp1250 is that it didn't get renamed when they added those five characters that didn't use to exist when the codepage was first used (the romanian letters and the euro sign) < 1397854529 753639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no code but unicode and utf-8 is its transport < 1397854548 656734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not convinced of that < 1397854561 949214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I've almost accepted it now < 1397854586 516664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might take a few more years till I'm completely converted to using utf-8 only < 1397854616 949696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't like about ISO-8859-15 is that it's "Latin 9". (This applies to any ISO-8859-N that is Latin-M for N ≠ M.) < 1397854661 773715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's probably most of them. (Haven't checked.) < 1397854690 900801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's because the "Latin" means the name of the script, and the purpose of iso-8859-5 is to encode the cyrillic script, not latin script < 1397854714 837396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plus there's one for hebrew and one for greek so it's all shifted < 1397854729 127917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: besides, many other character sets have aliases < 1397854771 582520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable ones like, IBM-437 vs CP437; or ASCII vs US-ASCII or ISO-646-US or that crazy letter-number combination I can never rememner < 1397854808 263845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI_X3.4-1968 < 1397854824 638971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onneksi ddkkvset eivdt ole endd ongelma. < 1397854848 949880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? is "ddkkvset" a word? < 1397854864 935516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a running joke, it's a common mangling of "onneksi ääkköset eivät ole enää ongelma". < 1397854876 879399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something related to stripping high bits. < 1397854885 174343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, I've seen that kind of thing < 1397854919 71451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, {{kk|set. < 1397854933 879141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the ISO-646-FI interpreted as ASCII.) < 1397854952 195507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most common is stripping the high _byte_ of ucs16 codes, resulting in őű transformed to Qq < 1397854979 600126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode doesn't use the case mapping that has [\] be the uppercase variants of {|}. :/ < 1397854982 510348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 646 one is funnier the other way < 1397854985 567459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps that's quite reasonable.) < 1397854997 90885 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn’t? Huh. < 1397855003 488730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, basic code listings with PRINTÉ and similar < 1397855015 136500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mentioned in the numerics at the start of the connection. < 1397855045 265599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh... does it in fact use it on the new server? < 1397855059 681499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it's changed < 1397855069 545563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm absolutely certain it had CASEMAPPING=ascii before. < 1397855073 714133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397855080 541161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got changed when they changed the irc server < 1397855086 616484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it seems to be CASEMAPPING=rfc1459. Well, that's nice, I guess. < 1397855089 97307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know what they did with clashing chanserv/nickserv registrations < 1397855089 804017 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i wrote an IRC client, i’d certainly make it render nicks in ISO 646-FI unless the server informs otherwise. < 1397855116 96252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does inform you otherwise with CHARSET=ascii still, I guess. < 1397855158 874419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, the character set is really a client-only abstraction, the server doesn't much care about it besides knowing what bytes it acceppts to channel names and what in nicks etc < 1397855171 920580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: most channels these days have decided to use utf-8, < 1397855180 621179 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397855189 432961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I assume it's a reasonable choice for rendering nicks and channel names. < 1397855190 117911 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397855192 963167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but back when I started ircing, at least one channel used iso-8859-2, and changed to utf-8 only later < 1397855211 755515 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397855212 119924 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397855227 329165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking UTF-8 on IRCnet used to be a major faux pas on several channels. < 1397855237 464815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays it's probably mostly acceptable. < 1397855257 985015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well sure, the channels can decide < 1397855259 232138 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To address the machine-vision and image-processing issues, the Open Connectome Project is alg-sourcing (algorithm outsourcing)" < 1397855262 666966 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu NICK :Bicyclidine < 1397855271 297862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how they can decide whether they like mirc-like color codes etc < 1397855285 277747 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m on quite a few IRCnet channels and nobody ever complains about UTF-8. Except one (1) person who’s IRCing on an ancient SunOS box with a broken iconv. He has me on /ignore. < 1397855295 186672 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1397855367 569815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All my IRCnet channels have pretty much died out, which I guess is also a solution of sorts. < 1397855437 399017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I hope your SunOS guy isn't on #utf-8. :) < 1397855443 810511 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. He isn’t. < 1397855499 610149 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest release 1994, eh < 1397855522 970713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still call Solaris that, to be fair. < 1397855533 241152 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it *may* be Solaris, actually. I don’t remember anymore. < 1397855541 147127 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is battling muscle memory full time... “stupid misorganized keyboard...” < 1397855579 579071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've used anything older than Solaris 7 / SunOS 5.7. < 1397855659 347373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Wikipedia lists April 29, 2014 (just a week and a bit away) as the release date of Solaris 11.2. Still going strong, I see. < 1397855771 264345 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397855800 700102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/90aec7d902c1d610e90720ebc42fabd4.png a log looks like a good fit for the envelope of the upper half. < 1397855931 32853 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1397855976 694926 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Unsurprisingly, since was so darn hard to find for OpenSSL developers they had resorted to manually protyping read(2) instead of incredible amount of preprocessor wizardry needed to find the ever illusive » < 1397856804 336872 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397856817 739797 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397856961 185744 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397857075 332151 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397857104 665817 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397857113 112390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39361&oldid=39351 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+374) 10added link to implementation < 1397857145 504877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39362&oldid=39361 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (+2) 10 < 1397857521 472220 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397858166 535053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you understand why 5HT reuptake inhibitors attenuate the action of 5HT agonists? < 1397858204 89285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some of them, anyway) < 1397858288 243445 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't :( < 1397858298 225007 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't take biochem for a whiole nother year, probably < 1397858384 329284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1397858464 485626 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the OpenBSD team discovers a heartbleed-esque flaw in OpenSSL, would they go for responsible disclosure? < 1397858509 643151 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they'd use it to get admin credentials on linux boxes and replace them with BSD < 1397858524 491885 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just their review seems so... public < 1397858537 562419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd post it on a web page in big letters. < 1397858542 125275 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397858548 838309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta make a cool logo first < 1397858656 234738 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, wait, so if serotonin reuptake is inhibited, there's going to be more serotonin around so of course serotonin receptors are more agonized? that seems too simple < 1397858716 950737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean competitive binding between 5HT and the other agonist? < 1397858773 923637 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a language called cenotaffy < 1397858820 877873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense except that SSRIs themselves don't make you trip balls < 1397858831 492774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't know if there's something about the relative activation of different receptor subtypes < 1397858853 457437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Redcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39363&oldid=38262 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+1) 10Corewar -> Core War < 1397858856 138488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that particular molecules activate the receptor in different ways which have different effects inside the cell < 1397858995 984279 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not actually sure what "5HT agonist" means >_< < 1397859022 102199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397859145 339839 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Redcode really an esolang or more of a DSL? < 1397859145 567755 :Zerker!~zerker@24-205-85-23.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1397859247 50273 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem very esoteric at all. it matches its design space pretty straightforwardly. < 1397859649 135473 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397859679 821476 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to phone < 1397860444 328478 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess "foo agonist" is short for "agonist of foo-receptors", great < 1397860591 340916 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b4b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397860603 246383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sorry < 1397860661 937280 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [whatever]chemical terminology being weird was actually your fault i'd actually be angry :P < 1397860679 84387 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought maybe it meant agonists of receptors that stimulate serotonin release, or something < 1397860781 314490 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397861178 802077 :TAROT!TAROT@host2.190-229-191.telecom.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric < 1397861319 887378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!welcome TAROT < 1397861321 574748 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAROT: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1397861334 164151 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized this paper i'm reading basically implements genetic memory < 1397861345 854391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait argentina < 1397861351 793649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido TAROT < 1397861352 851535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAROT: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1397861359 723927 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're from argon < 1397861382 846184 :TAROT!TAROT@host2.190-229-191.telecom.net.ar QUIT : < 1397861395 454923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess at least one of those got through < 1397861451 65151 :TAROT!TAROT@host2.190-229-191.telecom.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric < 1397861546 928992 :TAROT!TAROT@host2.190-229-191.telecom.net.ar PART :#esoteric < 1397861568 117474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan stop editting the wiki and come here and help me :( <-- i didn't log on irc because i was about to leave so soon < 1397861767 278200 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397861812 248840 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b4b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, babbage was already in the wiki < 1397861940 478104 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :fcrawl < 1397861946 943790 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.143-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397862510 530522 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397863447 136567 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b4b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.75 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397863825 787941 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1397864020 634675 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397864439 602620 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397864473 688562 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397864571 736278 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397864715 728674 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397865091 454746 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397865184 983319 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1397865285 692045 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I < 1397865316 706646 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using my personal computer for work, so am usually offline from IRC for a period of time before work until a period of time after work < 1397865347 392034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no recollection of what he @told, anyway < 1397865389 734820 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:30:31: @tell Sgeo blah >>= flip when $ do ... <-- the precedences are wrong for that to work. < 1397865402 631697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there were some lines afterwards where you were wtfing < 1397865406 931970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:30:46: wtf is Sgeo not here < 1397865421 136435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, when you did return you returned as Sgeo_ < 1397865454 983004 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1397865468 739403 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1397865469 69118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1397865625 142484 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397865686 512880 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1397865686 964578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1397865700 998846 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that kind of hurt the point of @messages-loud? < 1397865764 236242 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1397865764 459905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1397865838 382231 :fcrawl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397865952 720416 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was half-expecting that to be special-cased. < 1397866348 957677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that's not supported without creating a new command with that name, which will ruin the typo correction by making a lot of them ambiguous... < 1397866496 562199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@burr < 1397866496 964066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: yarr url bug arr < 1397866555 943828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarrow < 1397866556 410689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrr! < 1397866587 739058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arrow < 1397866588 160567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiver me timbers! < 1397866639 53750 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, what is piratespeak like in other languages than English? < 1397866776 816099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitte mine bramseil, hva slags landkrabbespørsmål er det < 1397866874 774831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not very yarrry, for sure) < 1397866957 389338 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-88-24.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: YARROWING CHICKEN < 1397867011 287821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main norwegian pirate figure at this time is kaptein sabeltann, who speaks bokmål but with some old sea slang words. < 1397867438 928149 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bicyclidine you now have messages < 1397867439 277619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397867460 903161 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1397867466 521077 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah weird < 1397867768 97378 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397867901 438211 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A German pirate would originally of course have spoken Low German / Low Saxon, which would be quite incomprehensible to any speaker of Modern Standard German. < 1397869041 214622 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-apswiki.org/ this is some incredible web design < 1397869093 97043 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397869097 697234 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice < 1397869110 997849 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like http://www.the-apswiki.org/@api/deki/site/logo.png a lot < 1397869146 616769 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i didn't even notice < 1397869299 178437 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, /r/lolc does not seem to be the C equivalent of /r/lolphp < 1397869351 538106 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly the ungoogleability of C is a major design flaw < 1397869417 213582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if some search engines special-case C and C++ < 1397869519 74269 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google definitely does. < 1397869543 505353 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The results for "C" and "C++" by themselves are as you'd expect, for instance. < 1397869571 362331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397869594 383897 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397869614 519140 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone: That's not a special case. Trailing + are significant in google < 1397869626 402652 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also google+) < 1397869677 688177 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm, so it is. < 1397869790 412470 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1397869931 476504 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, however, that C/C++ may have been part of hte reason for this < 1397869991 737878 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397870129 932676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do want some kind of "wat"-style talk for C < 1397870148 435343 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: C# seems to be special cased. (AFAICT # is usually ignored) < 1397870470 869349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :array function parameters, integer promotion rules, signed char, trigraphs < 1397870478 572840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps google has an algorithm for finding words that need special casing. < 1397870529 274629 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the same results from 'p# complexity' and 'p complexity' < 1397870556 807987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry, r/watc isn't about c < 1397870619 764028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1397870674 59320 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I get different results for "p complexity" and "#p complexity" though < 1397870694 52894 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a langguage that lets you literally specify Turing machines? < 1397870754 628355 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if we don't, I'm making one, and it will be called Tarpit < 1397870825 674779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all depends on what you mean by literally hth < 1397870874 284836 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there was one in sigbovik once < 1397870985 195983 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean a language where the specification is some form of description of a turing machine < 1397871019 324630 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I've got an even better idea < 1397871030 309715 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language where the input, in text, is a TM diagram < 1397871046 996068 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also roughly half of computability papers go through the rigamarole of specifying TMs as tuples, does that count < 1397871114 475430 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no because the tuple model is not actually something I can feed into a computer < 1397871129 664165 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll get the sigbovik cite for ya < 1397871130 463155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1397871156 905866 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in reponse to which? < 1397871157 127798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1397871157 344767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do computers have problems parsing tuples. < 1397871204 9085 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Next 700 Intuitionistic Linear Logics" heh < 1397871213 986185 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh no. I mean I know of no programming language whose source code is the tuple and the language executes the tuple as a TM < 1397871226 252005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i recall mark chu-carroll wrote a turing machine emulator in haskell once. < 1397871242 110527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on his blog. < 1397871247 132688 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1397871251 436322 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397871253 880407 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww that's verbose < 1397871267 860528 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok apparently this one is written in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaid_%28programming_language%29 < 1397871441 768955 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual turing machine definition is in: Brother Jonathan Aldrich. (2010) Holy States Can Save the World! In ZH Bovik (ed.) A Record of the Proceedings of the SIGBOVIK Conference 2010. < 1397871595 714482 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397871989 750660 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397872385 86065 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1397872632 338824 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397872797 979458 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397872798 538154 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397874574 904095 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397874665 270446 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397874695 803838 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397874832 6 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is CPython compiled to asm.js "esoteric"? < 1397874832 255653 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.detectify.com/post/82370846588/how-we-got-read-access-on-googles-production-servers nice < 1397875062 505864 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aturingmachine.com < 1397875072 184353 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, somebody kept a bug bounty and didnt donate it to charity? < 1397875155 487327 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397875301 942035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tarpit14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39364 5* 03Coppro 5* (+5913) 10Created page with "'''Tarpit''' is a description language for state diagrams of finite state machines and their generalizations. It is generally well established that the best description of fi..." < 1397875378 469142 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397875379 139303 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397875584 79281 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397875856 762832 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game is a bit dated < 1397875857 742162 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'"Uh, well, the government did actually use that Facebook information to draft people for the second Korean war in 2013..." Todd replied.' < 1397875999 206100 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1397876076 683384 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Todd replied.' is this a book < 1397876261 491697 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a choose-your-own-adventure game, but needing to take all paths to really get the full story < 1397876275 111056 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kongregate.com/games/greg/thousand-dollar-soul-321811 < 1397876836 102231 :Palaver!~Palaver@216.67.42.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397877314 134059 :Palaver!~Palaver@216.67.42.180 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397877330 517081 :Palaver!~Palaver@216-67-42-180-rb1.sol.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397877547 829935 :Palaver!~Palaver@216-67-42-180-rb1.sol.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urbit as an esoteric programming language < 1397877640 16797 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397878403 958255 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ukraine crisis as an esoteric programming language < 1397878473 669333 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397878558 669516 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397878562 166046 :Palaver!~Palaver@216-67-42-180-rb1.sol.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1397878616 71360 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397878621 818602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its highlevel compareToChamberlain function < 1397878626 380694 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397878654 858665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1397878714 686925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly Chamberlain should just be an instance of the comparableTo class. < 1397878747 721949 :Palaver!~Palaver@216-67-42-180-rb1.sol.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net PART #esoteric :"Palaver http://palaverapp.com/" < 1397878759 430651 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397879282 933444 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe Nothing . Just < 1397879284 458228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘Maybe a’ with ‘a1 -> Maybe a2’ < 1397879284 643861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: a -> a1 -> Maybe a2 < 1397879284 644013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: a -> Maybe a < 1397879315 783216 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe Nothing Just < 1397879317 43662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a -> Maybe a < 1397879369 296473 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody of you know what the & is supposed to do in rail? < 1397879460 710351 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby on rails? < 1397879538 243905 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1397879549 662002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rail, the esolang < 1397879743 733800 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: have you ported ruby to rail? < 1397879761 819445 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby on the third rail < 1397879834 786962 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: checked the article. & looks kind of like a twisted up track so without more definition of 'lambda' it's obviously a crash < 1397879952 151283 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397879987 720341 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby does rails < 1397880041 337460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://java.metagno.me/ < 1397880055 801053 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff will probably kill you, lets do another line, what say you meet me down on hollywood and vine < 1397880076 120836 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397880098 847877 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err heartattack and vine < 1397880369 922405 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :StompWebApplicationContextAwareBean, not bad < 1397880499 593141 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are GADTs == 'closed' data families? < 1397881103 570771 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397881271 414076 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397881297 468524 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397881327 390393 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1397881407 764788 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397881530 202127 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397881607 727613 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397881719 790480 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397881854 901351 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happened to be sitting in the library near a CS 120 tutoring area < 1397881903 956306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think you'll get over it? < 1397881933 967090 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1397881939 994772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/9/c/59c905daa195675abf6216e2f08ad32d.png can someone explain to me how physics even exists, as a field of study < 1397882044 520293 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the students had left I asked the tutor and ill formed question about abstraction and partial application, and he explained that there was somthing called recusion that is pretty neat and that I should learn python < 1397882088 376841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did you < 1397882116 896598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did the appropriate thing and learned python by already knowing it < 1397882125 700175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's recursion!) < 1397882147 250010 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1397882178 275442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that follows from the fact that it's recursion < 1397882191 933735 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. < 1397883149 311925 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ah yes, the Before C Programing Language" < 1397883357 667476 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before C / Ano Dennisritchie < 1397883441 71791 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1397883453 459187 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't started reading (except that it proves False), but is http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/impredicativity-bites.html fixed yet? < 1397883567 25210 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397883815 364804 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O http://okmij.org/ftp/Haskell/types.html#de-typechecker < 1397883901 493473 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397883961 759262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hollang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39365&oldid=39355 5* 03Zerk 5* (+239) 10 < 1397884034 236561 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uncharitably speaking, Haskell, taken as a logic, is inconsistent in more than two ways." < 1397884112 250260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397884217 225249 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop the presses < 1397884316 914874 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Essentially we turn a type into a logical program -- a set of Horn clauses -- which we then solve by SLD resolution. It is gratifying to see that Haskell typeclasses are up to that task." < 1397884375 391622 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397884445 633301 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that haskell was not intended to be a sound logic. < 1397884526 223632 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that the easter bunny isnt real :( < 1397884547 80503 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why would you say that on good friday? i'm pretty sure you're going to hell now < 1397884849 61614 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it a good friday? < 1397885319 631809 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397886051 797729 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1397886217 591257 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do spin glasses actually exist < 1397886303 30881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spin glass in yer ass < 1397887466 286435 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia implies so < 1397887521 748087 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well like in its spin ice article it at least gives an actual example (dysprosium titanate) < 1397887786 390259 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1386818 Anyway here's a blast from the past for you: A worm < 1397887861 453831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39366&oldid=39362 5* 03Zerk 5* (-280) 10Amended addition algorithm < 1397888565 961659 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397888823 303854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hollang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39367&oldid=39366 5* 03Doesthiswork 5* (-34) 10I am impressed, that is a much smarter program < 1397889378 304451 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397890335 726328 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397891123 566254 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strncpy(d, s, strlen(s)) is a special kind of stupid. even when it’s right, it looks wrong. " < 1397891125 855681 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1397891237 17843 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I thought it's a useless version of strcpy(d, s), but on closer inspection it's completely wrong < 1397891345 107649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :emotions and "irrational" behavior are a way for selfish genes to credibly commit to strategies which would be overruled by rational self-interest < 1397891414 442297 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397891556 523909 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: how's it different < 1397891589 805496 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :7F1AAEZAZ < 1397891590 59439 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397891590 244875 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397891613 762808 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear reason is and should be slave to the emotions < 1397891662 210615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we, alone on earth, have the power to free ourselves from the tyranny of the selfish replicators < 1397891665 159148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pass it on < 1397891675 695227 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1397891690 925728 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397891711 113644 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char a[] = "abcde", b[42]; strncpy(b, a, strlen(a)); return !puts(b); }\n' > /tmp/strncpy.c && gcc -o /tmp/strncpy{,.c} && /tmp/strncpy < 1397891712 92440 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcde < 1397891746 923806 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char a[] = "abcde", b[] = " :-)"; strncpy(b, a, strlen(a)); return !puts(b); }\n' > /tmp/strncpy.c && gcc -o /tmp/strncpy{,.c} && /tmp/strncpy < 1397891747 726267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcde:-) < 1397891771 72945 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you use words < 1397891797 608199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssl added and removed here < 1397891806 557976 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In english: don't use strncpy he is a lame guy < 1397891813 876269 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1397891821 497010 :7F1AAEZAZ!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397891909 326197 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'#include \n#include \nmain() { char a[] = "abcde", b[] = " :-)"; strcpy(b, a); return !puts(b); }\n' > /tmp/strcpy.c && gcc -o /tmp/strcpy{,.c} && /tmp/strcpy < 1397891910 68740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcde < 1397891938 274213 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't copy the null < 1397892008 506635 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that a new vhemt campaign < 1397892105 474867 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the selfish gene predates regulatory networks < 1397892203 415990 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397892334 539245 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear nobody keeps track of history with these things. need to give evolutionary biology a repo < 1397892340 871786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: the tyranny quote? no it's the last sentence of The Selfish Gene < 1397892371 626454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the irony anyone < 1397892422 850398 :WOODMAN!~chatzilla@c-24-16-35-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397892425 384620 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb setting up scumbag meme meme < 1397892432 684535 :WOODMAN!~chatzilla@c-24-16-35-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promoción GAWMiners para Compradores / vendedores Co-Op - 10% descuento en cualquier orden! < 1397892441 132716 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1397892552 307556 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397892817 259234 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397892838 61987 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :kmc > 1397892838 285043 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397892853 322639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@c-24-16-35-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net > 1397892853 336810 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397892857 78838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com KICK #esoteric WOODMAN :don't spam < 1397892864 567609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com MODE #esoteric -o :kmc > 1397892864 578775 NAMES :#esoteric < 1397892881 789831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitcoin spam has reached us even here -_- < 1397893102 740965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a god who stays dead, not plays dead < 1397893322 248180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, happy bicycle day < 1397893353 758772 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yea < 1397893382 574596 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :419, uh, spin it < 1397893500 636334 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397893689 763649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop it, more like < 1397893716 422604 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you drop a bike :( < 1397893867 324878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike do you know what bicycle day is < 1397893885 368251 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1397893892 650199 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wow shit < 1397893945 522367 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397894245 593598 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397894278 412808 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :One short trip for humanity < 1397894326 516242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.psychedelic-library.org/child.htm is a pretty good read < 1397894328 593985 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/humanity/a man/ wow I mangled it more than I thought < 1397894401 959540 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397894403 719309 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397894436 509331 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"damn, this is the good shit" -- armstrong at some point, probably < 1397894465 383071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever been on the moon... on weed < 1397894482 243632 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to fund this < 1397894541 840885 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://members.shaw.ca/rlongpre01/moon.html < 1397894609 695873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty tantalizing that only a tiny fraction of all possible psychedelics have ever been synthesized let alone tested in humans < 1397894639 378390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that tiny sample has yielded some of the most mysterious and powerful psychopharmacological agents and has facilitated many of the most intense and meaningful experiences ever reported by human beings < 1397894711 486383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what else is out there < 1397894825 959909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes < 1397894859 290438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :The channel with > 100% bots | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1397894915 658439 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The training simulation consists of taking weed on earth and pretending you're on the moon < 1397894964 691620 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cheap, no need to run a reality TV show < 1397894964 877003 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there were two astronauts on the moon and one of them killed the other with a rock. would that be fucked up or what < 1397894967 878219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotboxing a winnebago and calling it the lunar module < 1397895017 658913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there was an earlier The Onion: Our Dumb Century article < 1397895027 269162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NASA, hippies race to send man to the moon" < 1397895082 914272 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1958 < 1397895136 465723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397895520 281200 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94.224.29.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397895649 849534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siamese Dream is a really good album < 1397895726 265164 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what point sandisk is making with this ad http://ds.serving-sys.com/BurstingRes/Site-19890/Type-0/39e1ac57-fdd0-4dad-a400-b4ea62db3b3f.jpg < 1397895754 54555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we <3 jpeg artifacts"? < 1397895993 38326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for me to sleep < 1397896020 559002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night friends < 1397896022 395995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION zzzzzz < 1397896490 657136 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1397896495 826801 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have came to replace kmx < 1397896497 457757 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kmc < 1397896499 381351 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever < 1397896501 51849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's early < 1397897225 234734 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397897236 498838 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397898082 485118 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrjfwzluluulobcm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397900128 51884 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming/blog/2014/03/03/the-wild-west-of-cryptocurrencies < 1397900136 613810 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stay tuned for part two where we’ll explore in detail how AMD Radeon™ hardware helps provide a technological advantage for users participating in cryptocurrency mining!" < 1397902561 994907 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"changelog: switched ad network (requires more permissions)" < 1397902569 720242 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, must have update for an app < 1397903062 524133 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397903503 823650 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397906479 357049 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397906544 819454 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909106 537456 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909155 1018 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909212 459426 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909245 739405 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1397909245 963740 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909497 264030 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909679 570906 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909692 59042 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909693 199624 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909693 941949 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909694 529661 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909695 237064 :JZTech101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909695 430897 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909696 945716 :erdic!erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1397909713 321787 :JZTech101!jztech101@botters/jztech101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397909728 104626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397911328 513414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03UncleMartin 5* 10New user account < 1397911378 781962 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39368&oldid=38890 5* 03UncleMartin 5* (+73) 10/* Example-based languages */ < 1397911410 660903 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397912904 134971 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1397913472 100704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1397914349 704730 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397914988 725156 :edinson1!~canaima@186.167.243.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397915023 505701 :edinson1!~canaima@186.167.243.123 PART :#esoteric < 1397916092 709413 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397916115 962052 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397916132 296352 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397916254 517001 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397916318 316267 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397916489 991490 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397916502 292644 :shikherr!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397916540 366523 :shikherr!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397916644 409930 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397916657 201005 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1397917653 97211 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397917891 134238 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1397918100 92858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397918408 844349 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1397918561 449439 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1397918718 318732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For your edification, the weakly connected components of esolangs.org (considering as vertices only the main and category namespaces): http://sprunge.us/gSMg < 1397918782 751572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: does not take templates into account, so there are e.g. some stuff with {{stub}} that are not counted as part of the main component, since the [[Category:Stub]] link is not visible.) < 1397918983 732823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm those are essentially orphan pages < 1397919073 600399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very close to Special:LonelyPages, yes. Though not quite exactly identical. < 1397920016 747063 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397920496 583704 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397920571 728384 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397920836 576013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The channel with > 100‰ bots | PSA: fizzie is running the wiki now, contact him for any problems | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1397921095 970463 :adu!~ajr@ip-64-134-44-197.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397921191 967817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FukYorBrane14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39369&oldid=30341 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+18) 10CoreWars -> Core War and link to Redcode < 1397921340 418934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39370&oldid=39047 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+18) 10/* Related languages */ CoreWars -> Core War and link to Redcode < 1397921467 3995 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39371&oldid=37998 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+12) 10CoreWars -> Core War and link to Redcode < 1397922164 571609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397922187 45618 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1397922292 692412 :adu!~ajr@ip-64-134-44-197.public.wayport.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397922303 568352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Agony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39372&oldid=35617 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+1) 10/* AgonyWar */ CoreWar -> Core War < 1397922517 381348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pinkcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39373&oldid=38039 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (-36) 10Core Wars -> Core War, changed link to Wikipedia disambiguation page for Redcode to Redcode page on Esolang wiki. < 1397922945 239101 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Redcode related to Brainfuck? < 1397923057 572080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39374&oldid=35186 5* 0391.125.123.39 5* (+4) 10/* External resources */ link to Redcode < 1397923136 771210 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397923139 321409 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It's not. But there's a BF interpreter written in Redcode. < 1397923205 382434 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean comparing FYB and BF Joust to Core War? < 1397923610 295708 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1397923621 100964 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1397924513 442553 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397926295 64840 :erdic_!erdic@unaffiliated/motley NICK :erdic < 1397927096 309011 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1397927136 342072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprising fact: "Language list" is the center of esolangs.org: http://sprunge.us/QFJG < 1397927144 805800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analysis as per http://mu.netsoc.ie/wiki/ i.e. the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrality#Closeness_centrality metric in the single, 1272-page strongly connected component. < 1397927195 21348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hence the numbers indicate the average number of clicks needed to get to any other page starting from the indicated one.) < 1397927490 786843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. 3.1415 Underload < 1397927575 383655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intentional, I'm sure. < 1397927732 941099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1397929499 835858 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397929764 495061 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/apps/s_socket.c.diff?r1=1.30;r2=1.31 "Added for T3E" < 1397929973 372881 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. is that a computer without 32 bit ints? < 1397930013 757602 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be a reason to use bitfields for IPv4 addresses) < 1397930183 850854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what's FYB? < 1397930212 638864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see http://esolangs.org/wiki/FukYorBrane < 1397930342 983234 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 21164 implemented a 43-bit virtual address and a 40-bit physical address." < 1397930347 611357 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :says it had 64 bit regs, though < 1397930446 141861 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/61596b948ab4b982ac734df79749707a4faa0f07 Important < 1397930458 298410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1397930474 846304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dig the commit msg < 1397930476 581354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the last one has four X < 1397930484 234126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?! < 1397930493 20514 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's explained in the commit message!! < 1397931638 501211 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/apps/ca.c.diff?r1=1.43;r2=1.44 printf more like whybotherf < 1397932296 804531 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397933600 10198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39375&oldid=39359 5* 03Zerk 5* (+305) 10Added missing {a b c} format explanation < 1397933688 494183 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397934721 417137 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397934995 122183 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1397935014 414337 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1397935237 290949 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397935387 655485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397935475 665355 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner < 1397935829 457962 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397935985 613448 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghutkmedhjyviyuo JOIN :#esoteric < 1397936175 403668 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397936220 587965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397936221 888374 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+coin spuracoin critecoin bercoin alpecoin owlcoin selfinghacoin steprocoin lerecoin fobcoin boguetcoin shafsoncoin majecoin prelncoin 0500coin hagecoin smitacoin pbodancoin 0.1800001100acoin quatcoin < 1397936438 622563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+coin is nice < 1397936456 612594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++coin < 1397936480 278928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would styalize it so that coin is below the X+ and the + inside the < of the X < 1397936492 533016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coin is below the plus I mean < 1397936618 755579 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what these esocoin things are? < 1397936641 471882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make a Markov chain with the transition probabilities taken from the links of the wiki (normalized, so that a page with two links to A and one link to B has a transition probability of 2/3 for A and 3/3 for B), this is the stationary distribution it has: http://sprunge.us/ARcB < 1397936646 482370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. if you keep clicking random links forever, that's relatively how often you'll be visiting each page. < 1397936697 976129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Er, assuming you only click those links that stay in the strongly connected component of pages.) < 1397936733 913565 :DarthMater!~AnnHero@162.219.179.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397936850 542875 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange. aubergine is more linked than betterave. < 1397936922 286618 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betterave? < 1397936962 783843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does "Befunge/index.php" exist? < 1397936992 588517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1397937002 863437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, why that name for that language < 1397937010 456052 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: betterave. < 1397937049 173006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: rdbeta? < 1397937092 986213 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: most probably. < 1397937105 199371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, interwiki links seems to suggest it is beta in general < 1397937112 638357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that could be wrong < 1397937155 70794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so does the Latin name, which is probably more accurate than the interwiki links < 1397937161 489699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, seems like it's beets general < 1397937179 226705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentions e.g. betterave rouge and betterave a sucre < 1397937215 754141 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone actually tried taking an existing conventional programming language and just interpret it differently? < 1397937222 445397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh it seems rödbeta is a cultivated variant of the beet family, that it is in fact not a separate species < 1397937237 803796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Aubergine has incoming links from "Aubergine/aubergine.hs", "Carriage", "Language list" and "List of quines"; Betterave has incoming links from "Hello world program in esoteric languages", "Language list" and "Truth-machine" only. < 1397937238 763431 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the source code remains at least syntactically valid in both languages < 1397937256 555224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess there's probably a MediaWiki special page for looking that up already?) < 1397937269 854090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special:WhatLinksHere < 1397937273 345257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's linked in the sidebar of every page < 1397937282 524798 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aaaaaaah. < 1397937289 952750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it's called. < 1397937293 755749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, [pages[p] for p in (a[:,pagemap['Aubergine']] > 0).nonzero()[0].tolist()] is clearly much easier than that. < 1397937320 812523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why the name "Befunge/index.php". It says you made that language. < 1397937327 923186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea why I have (a > 0).nonzero() in place of a.nonzero().) < 1397937336 572683 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you mean, unconscious polyglots? < 1397937381 289735 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1397937388 26144 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends what unconscious means :) < 1397937389 194939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: same reason as http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck/w/index.php%3Ftitle%3DTalk:Brainfuck/index.php < 1397937389 846110 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/un/sub/ < 1397937394 731615 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for being knocked out < 1397937403 996085 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: got my prefixes mixed. < 1397937412 35173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ....yes I just found that, and I still don't know the reason for that either < 1397937433 663155 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I really like that “unconscious polyglot” idea. < 1397937446 16168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spam page titles < 1397937451 893694 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a coma patient that can not speak in multiple languages < 1397937469 343022 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every program would be a polyglot I guess < 1397937486 969461 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it might not do the same thing < 1397937493 707317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aah < 1397937511 309304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, might make it harder to make an actual polyglot < 1397937534 274124 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what happened to your befunge-98 implementation btw? In haskell iirc? < 1397937550 454963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost I think < 1397937552 735295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on some random hard drive < 1397937569 337164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397937596 404845 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For unconventional languages these already exist < 1397937605 6175 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just consider flipping + and - in Brainfuck and there you go < 1397937620 876989 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same syntax/grammer, different meaning. < 1397937624 842684 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grammar < 1397937791 299556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, you could do the same in, say, C. Wouldn't be very interesting though, most programs just wouldn't work properly if you swapped, say, / and * < 1397937793 347506 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you could do the same thing in C. < 1397937796 811035 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flipping ++ and -- < 1397937799 953054 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :) < 1397937813 224031 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the same thought just at the same time < 1397937833 669758 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah. I hate it when a seemingly good idea suddenly turns boring again :( < 1397937858 969828 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it could still be interesting. But you have to be more creative than just switch / and * < 1397937863 639583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, prepare to be disappointed by life then. That happens 99 times out of 100 < 1397937868 712049 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397937876 669628 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1397937882 810359 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already suffering from depression. So... < 1397937887 864442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1397937922 378332 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm already rather disappointed < 1397937926 510417 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hard time of thinking of any transformation that would result in programs not specially written for this new language duality doing interesting stuff < 1397937952 919643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you could always write programs that check for it and do interesting stuff in either case < 1397937999 304852 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just add new features to it. < 1397938001 551189 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm. < 1397938002 335003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1397938006 301153 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1397938039 686385 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1397938047 352190 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "abc"+"abc" legal C code? < 1397938080 373377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1397938087 945685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the mood to make an esolang < 1397938088 140370 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. < 1397938098 516227 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1397938102 414710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add almost anything, but not two pointers (without casting) < 1397938103 303878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shockwave Flash has crashed". Dammit flash < 1397938116 344326 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397938123 873544 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you folk already know about pointer machines? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointer_machine < 1397938150 476293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think that would add up the addresses of the pointers to the strings < 1397938155 795564 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, if it is legal that is < 1397938159 268006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably isn't < 1397938160 752972 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not legal. < 1397938170 213595 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd thought it add up the addresses yes < 1397938176 385980 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not legal. < 1397938203 290111 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointers are a torsor or something < 1397938234 935923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, I heard of it iirc < 1397938266 852384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pointer machines cannot do arithmetic. Computation proceeds only by reading input symbols, modifying and doing various tests on its storage structure—the pattern of nodes and pointers, and outputting symbols based on the tests. "Information" is in the storage structure." < 1397938271 370294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I believe that < 1397938291 789962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you come up with a numeric representation for those systems? < 1397938291 976227 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397938292 336382 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397938483 296008 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's meant like "Brainfuck can't multiply numbers" < 1397938563 791580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, it can, you just need to do it by a fairly inefficient algorithm < 1397938587 320033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I believe you missed the point < 1397938594 435269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's not built into the language" < 1397938612 682694 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1397938660 238708 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... ;) < 1397938664 263025 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e gets it :D < 1397938728 264555 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make a new esolang BEFORE MIDNIGHT < 1397938741 265147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Taneb < 1397938741 991873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Sat Apr 19 21:19:01 < 1397938745 222352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, that is a nice name, when are you going to make it ;) < 1397938748 824125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in BST < 1397938801 294810 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so midnight is an hour later for you < 1397938823 583798 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BST? < 1397938827 993097 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :British Summer Time < 1397938830 923580 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT+1 < 1397938834 223990 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1397938848 13183 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was opting for B____ saving time < 1397938857 587514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit saving time < 1397938866 16430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just Bullshit time < 1397938896 364333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, generally it is called "summer time" not "saving time" in Europe I think < 1397938935 343383 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1397938943 926522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is summer the savings time? I always thought winter is when daylight is in need of saving < 1397938944 538626 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summrziit < 1397938955 363061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, :D < 1397938957 603717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in CEST for example, Central European Summer Time < 1397938993 774126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1397938994 531036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for olsner is Sweetmorn, the 1st of Chaos in the 3136 YOLD < 1397939000 224767 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's a mistery < 1397939015 83012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1397939026 770664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it ignoring me? < 1397939031 690862 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1397939040 506887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I set the local time < 1397939042 850746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help localtime < 1397939043 239357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time . Print a user's local time. User's client must support ctcp pings. < 1397939048 107738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah < 1397939064 544871 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly surprised the ctcp reply from the other computer survived ZNC (currently on the laptop which apparently didn't get to also respond) < 1397939069 42649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I filter all CTCP < 1397939080 485146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except CTCP ACTION < 1397939082 298398 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime lambdabot < 1397939083 86698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time? < 1397939098 351249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fungot < 1397939099 236475 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mr president, the evidence indicates that community import conditions and controls at external borders and of border crossing points, one about the single currency project have been forced by fear of famine and warfare. the khran rebels, holding some six hundred civilians hostage, used them as human beings. < 1397939113 257881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-olsner- TIME Sweetmorn, the 1st of Chaos in the 3136 YOLD < 1397939113 443367 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-olsner- TIME Sat Apr 19 22:25:07 < 1397939118 628455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting two answers < 1397939130 559829 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1397939133 986967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for mroman is Sat Apr 19 22:25:30 2014 < 1397939145 689780 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is clearly more important < 1397939157 327003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :>olsner< CTCP VERSION < 1397939157 512813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-olsner- GNU sed version 4.2.1 < 1397939157 512887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-olsner- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu < 1397939165 884516 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1397939171 308364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is even lacking the VERSION string < 1397939177 336847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is incorrect < 1397939182 910503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be nondeterministic which one answers then, and lambdabot probably picks the first ... perhaps I can set up something nice in znc < 1397939183 953081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1397939206 326363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fungot < 1397939206 547860 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: madam president, i want to welcome the commissioner. < 1397939210 666557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fungot is I AM TIME ITSELF < 1397939228 864703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fizzie < 1397939230 120880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Sat Apr 19 23:28:07 2014 < 1397939239 492817 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perhaps I just chose to respond usisng a CTCP GNU? that should be allowed? < 1397939297 214675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graph visualization is a https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20140419-links.pdf good tool for data exploration. < 1397939322 32622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, pretty sure the response should be prefixed with the original command < 1397939328 551739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so that would be with VERSION < 1397939339 528100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure of if it should be caps or not < 1397939383 702472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but I guess you could argue that you are sending an answer to something that was never sent < 1397939393 71203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you shouldn't respond to it < 1397939683 990990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you find words that start with five consonants inherently funny? < 1397939685 48105 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i want to wish you a fruitful presidency and we could go along with the outcome of the meeting at laeken. unfortunately, the working conditions and puts pressure on wages, implemented by the member states to look at the role that one of the most difficult question is probably whether and to what extent merchant shipbuilding is competitive in the long run if we are to find the funding to do so, in practice < 1397939701 583048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1397939722 483325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, words such as? < 1397939729 382898 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397939748 835049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any such words off the top of my head < 1397939790 27882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy easter, fungot! < 1397939790 483504 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, honourable member, this particular accident again raises the problem of choices, the commission can intervene immediately. a further consolidation, a new regulation was adopted just last year i attended the coordinators' meeting of the conference. < 1397939804 633345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"raises the problem of choices" < 1397939805 466424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm laughing all day at a sign in the metro that has two typos, one of which resulted in the word зкстренного < 1397939808 38620 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely. < 1397939816 943294 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "sch" count as three consonants? < 1397939823 491241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, well I'm not russian so that doesn't help < 1397939823 696035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in german < 1397939837 557255 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then no. < 1397939838 929733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in russian there is a single letter for that sound < 1397939886 210075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be no real such words like that in my /usr/share/dict/words; the only matches are stuff like "HTML's". < 1397939891 495298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need an esoteric language for this, one that likes crazy consonant clusters < 1397939896 212778 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it depends on what you mean by consonant, those are three letters and each is a consonant letter, but pronounciation is likely to be a single consonant sound < 1397939919 105933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -E '^[qrtpsdfghklzxcvbnm]{5}' /usr/share/dict/words < 1397939921 777931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives me nothing < 1397939933 681748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming I got the consonants for English right < 1397939955 450055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y is sometimes a vowel, sometimes a consonant, or so I've heard. < 1397939963 943453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, i'd have checked them in alphabetical order :) < 1397939975 976799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are words with 4 though, all but one use sch[lmnrt] < 1397939977 456671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than scanning the keyboard < 1397940004 144558 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, hah < 1397940030 257304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, anyway I'm not sure if I got them right for English < 1397940035 520532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm not a native speaker < 1397940037 244316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's what I've heard for english, but swedish counts Y as a proper vowel afaik < 1397940047 373881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, it's always a vowel in Finnish too. < 1397940063 95983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yep < 1397940069 956498 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway allowing y there are a few < 1397940075 298939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did [^aeiouy], FWIW; there are words when counting y, but they all sound pretty vowely.) < 1397940077 145254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but them I don't know if they count < 1397940080 466330 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and yet other times, Y is thorn < 1397940081 333166 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about making this language have nasty implementation-defined evaluation order < 1397940114 23388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think there's already such a language < 1397940124 943125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, like C? < 1397940126 383515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Whenever < 1397940129 890395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, also C < 1397940156 769550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :given something like f(a(x), b(y)) it is undefined if a or b is called first < 1397940163 790732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same goes for a() + b() < 1397940175 426842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for a(); b(); though. < 1397940180 859913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Whenever. < 1397940184 333476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually thinking more like http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/burns/pf.html < 1397940187 519294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397940206 676155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wonder about the status of 'w'. < 1397940211 371307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like Whenever makes it possible to specify ordering using dependencies/conditions, might want to get rid of that < 1397940224 324524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not a native speaker either. < 1397940254 39562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that topic, how many syllables would you say "polynomial" has? < 1397940274 113518 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u is a vowel, w should be a double-vowel < 1397940298 597784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, po-ly-no-mi-al? < 1397940310 553433 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or po-ly-nom-yal < 1397940326 925610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I guess I could be pronouncing it wrong then? < 1397940331 233304 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I... actually pronounce it poh-nom-yal < 1397940337 524640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a native speaker tell me there are 4; my personal vote goes to 4.5 ;-) < 1397940337 710043 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm a bad person < 1397940345 394032 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An important feature of the implementation of Pascal-FC is the random switching between user processes incorporated into the run-time system. This provides an excellent simulation of true parallelism and invariably finds bugs in poorly structured programs. " nice < 1397940362 41905 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pol ee nom ee ul < 1397940384 125886 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poh-lay-nor-mee-hal < 1397940385 296821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"poly|no|mial" says LaTeX for allowed hyphenation points, but maybe that's not quite the same thing. < 1397940386 437256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, are you skipping sounds then?? < 1397940392 760603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yeah < 1397940405 244343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, is that common with native speakers? < 1397940409 243444 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1397940423 413422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wait, you dropped the 'ly'? < 1397940439 970222 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think so < 1397940451 682574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: deliberately? < 1397940481 118182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if saying it sloppily I might go as far as pol-nom-yal < 1397940482 617844 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's how I pronounce it when I'm not thinking and talking quickly < 1397940486 685678 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me its 5 syllabls but since english is stress timed the lengths are 1, .5, 1, .5, .5 < 1397940534 848849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow this lack of agreement makes me happy < 1397940558 625829 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1397940618 915919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, but I would say 5 if I hadn't said it under my breath < 1397940669 157438 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an awful lot of syllables < 1397940690 583396 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like olsner is consitantly reducing unstressed close unrounded vowels < 1397940721 456577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: does that make it a syllabus? < 1397940726 49715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you ask LaTeX for hypen-points? < 1397940772 356620 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, this language is shaping up... < 1397940784 718844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: LuaLaTeX + \usepackage{showhyphens}. < 1397940790 576851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397940823 95263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Though IIRC it prints them in the "overfull hbox" errors too. < 1397940843 243960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that is not quite as useful < 1397940903 471210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a (TeX-level) command for it, though it doesn't end in the document. < 1397940973 144112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jHNO like that. < 1397941039 383929 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: I think I mostly just articulate poorly < 1397941080 390501 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a standard way of articulating < 1397941090 722814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39376&oldid=39375 5* 03Zerk 5* (+1433) 10Clarified whitespace, added section /* Macros */ and the relevant specification. < 1397941143 978275 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1397941194 640492 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1397941199 896948 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I encode numbers as "state"? < 1397941204 119450 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading a Reddit thread about ramen noodles < 1397941223 946247 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, they're saying the big danger is lack of nutrients if it's eaten exclusively < 1397941234 832069 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, this is going to be really awkward < 1397941236 377765 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Boxy14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39377&oldid=39376 5* 03Zerk 5* (+2) 10clarification < 1397941242 830175 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can treat "increment" as a transition from state 0 to 1, from state 1 to 2 from state 2 to 3 and so on < 1397941243 333707 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the ramen, the esolang I'm making < 1397941243 776839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, sgeo, you can't live only on ramen noodles < 1397941255 264202 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man cannot live on ramen alone < 1397941268 643471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically wheat flour, a small amount of fat and spices < 1397941307 471497 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I have a chicken sandwich for lunch, I shouldn't be too concerned if I have ramen for dinner? < 1397941307 940788 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I wanted two numbers I'd need a0,a1,a2... and b0,b1,b2... and so on < 1397941320 669752 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oughta work. < 1397941362 686524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, in general you need a varied diet. < 1397941363 609156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's usually the sum of nutrients that matters, and no normal foods have negative value < 1397941389 355100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also varied diet to get all the required vitamins and so on < 1397941435 631181 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if for dinner sometimes I have a chicken sandwich, sometimes pizza, sometimes ramen, sometimes instant pasta, is that sufficiently varied/ < 1397941468 426830 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you eat like a third grader. < 1397941476 245358 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1397941494 415387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet you still eat better than I do during termtime < 1397941509 673712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what about... salads? < 1397941515 290665 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that sounds like fine foods < 1397941530 906292 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to eat pasta + parmesan cheese every night < 1397941546 587660 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I really don't want to cook in this horrific place < 1397941555 921628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I eat too one-sided but still I eat better than that < 1397941570 146109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then how will you feed yourself? < 1397941577 503809 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: eating out every day? < 1397941709 744134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell does /home have 19 GB free? < 1397941738 621070 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1397941738 847594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1397941765 137097 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go start buying bananas from 7-eleven < 1397941768 196866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`df . < 1397941768 660361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory \ Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on \ - 40573996 6747216 31769748 18% /hackenv < 1397941771 390606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my (other) /home has 305MB < 1397941779 705566 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1397941783 287185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`df < 1397941783 888575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1397941790 320099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/mounts < 1397941790 853921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 \ none /bin hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/ 0 0 \ none /usr hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/ 0 0 \ none /dev hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/ 0 0 \ none /opt hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/ 0 0 \ none /lib hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/ 0 0 \ none /sbin hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/ 0 0 \ none /lib64 hostfs ro,nosuid,relati < 1397941798 878761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/mtab < 1397941799 404339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/mtab: No such file or directory < 1397941800 670960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397941818 496754 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that now < 1397941827 163964 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of eating candy as a hunger fixer < 1397941850 403870 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do seem to have found the one candy that I can buy and it actually lasts longer than a few hours < 1397941855 754411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :``cut -d\ -f2 /proc/mounts < 1397941856 230510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `cut: not found < 1397941863 346911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1397941871 708952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's not quite "my other car is a Porsche". < 1397941882 567003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You missed a space. < 1397941887 260648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1397941895 210252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1397941898 324939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cut -d\ -f2 /proc/mounts < 1397941898 816576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ \ /bin \ /usr \ /dev \ /opt \ /lib \ /sbin \ /lib64 \ /hackenv \ /hackenv/.hg \ /etc/alternatives \ /etc/java-6-openjdk \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib \ /tmp \ /proc \ /sys < 1397941919 964373 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(cut -d\ -f2 /proc/mounts) < 1397941920 487174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/ /bin /usr /dev /opt /lib /sbin /lib64 /hackenv /hackenv/.hg /etc/alternatives /etc/java-6-openjdk /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib /tmp /proc /sys < 1397941923 271740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this /home has a whopping 34GB though < 1397941932 893927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of mount points :) < 1397941941 126012 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or really it's the pool that has it now, but /home can have it if it needs it < 1397941953 372977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: They're all UML fakey-mounts, to be fair. < 1397941986 852492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/alternatives. interesting. :) < 1397942004 936850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox | paste < 1397942006 326932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.18813 < 1397942014 374043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some internals there, if you're curious. < 1397942028 281518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I think I have give or take defined this language < 1397942057 449910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ought to have an implementation just so I can show people what exactly I mean < 1397942064 236238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, curious use of python, that looks like a shell script < 1397942079 540705 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ack! It's nowhere near TC < 1397942108 279293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: At least there's no shell injection whatnots with subprocess.call if you mess up quoting or something. < 1397942118 385785 :JesseH2!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1397942164 972342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, point < 1397942224 799600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite the command-line, though; `foo -> nice ... umlbox ... env ... limits ... foo. < 1397942347 450471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :four other tools that also need to not mess up quoting < 1397942413 712669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The /etc/alternatives comes from the umlbox --base-mounts flag; it automatically mounts (as read-only) the host directories /usr, /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib32, /lib64, /etc/alternatives and /dev. < 1397942427 841956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, except they're not shell scripts obviously (probably) < 1397942429 417002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shell script because of me, I think < 1397942431 744101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, a python script < 1397942437 10263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell scripts are bad. < 1397942467 871594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cat ... | paste === url ... < 1397942472 387710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ~= more like < 1397942478 113110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Except you can't do `url on that file. < 1397942497 693943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397942504 952781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1397942512 523436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397942512 708910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too special for that. < 1397942517 173724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1397942569 354822 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/e5136d69ece4682e6167c8f4a8122270236898bf < 1397942594 993150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's pretty much identical to https://github.com/GregorR/hackbot/blob/master/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox except for the commented-out /var/irclogs. < 1397942784 346140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably mean of me, but I keep hoping the OpenBSD folks will do something like the Debian no-entropy-for-you while they're stripping stuff of of OpenSSL. < 1397942844 481352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it inevitable that some bugs will be introduced < 1397942847 795808 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397942850 497248 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bought bananas < 1397942912 537259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they might also find and fix them (easier?) now that the code is less bananas < 1397943037 234383 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the debian what < 1397943078 893171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: https://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 < 1397943084 452800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you heard of it. < 1397943108 81295 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1397943123 700620 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i even used linux in 2008 < 1397943153 525291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian patched some Valgrind warnings out of their OpenSSL, and incidentally also made all keys generated with that OpenSSL trivially guessable, more or less. < 1397943209 108817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a lot of weak SSH keys. < 1397943226 525482 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: as in unfound bug? or do bugs that they introduce and then find and fix count? < 1397943252 946453 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i imagine there will be more bugs inadvertantly fixed than inadvertantly introduced.. but I guess we'll see < 1397943288 63982 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ssh? I thought OpenSSL was pretty much separate from OpenSSH? < 1397943307 344735 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSSH uses OpenSSL for its crypto though. < 1397943309 433308 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :openssh uses primitives from openssl including random numbers < 1397943325 99170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1397943333 598207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1397943342 546908 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because OpenSSL is not an SSL library, it is a complete library for everything even superficially related to crypto. < 1397943355 319015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, libcrypto and libssl < 1397943361 896931 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including, of course, SSL-without-encryption. < 1397943364 567040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that openssh used libcrypto though < 1397943367 395176 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397943367 580730 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397943399 173726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ldd $(which ssh-keygen) | grep crypto < 1397943399 814225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldd: missing file arguments \ Try `ldd --help' for more information. < 1397943404 621702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. Well, anyway. < 1397943406 750507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also OpenSSL has a terrible design, I used a tiny bit of libcrypto myself < 1397943416 126609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a terribly designed API < 1397943441 73473 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: I sure hope there will be more things fixed than broken :) < 1397943453 838061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, there are like 5 versions of the API, and it isn't clear which one is the recommended one generally < 1397943454 63619 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSSL is a fun way to learn C. < 1397943454 880426 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1397943476 137715 :doesthiswork!80df9363@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.223.147.99 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1397943478 78194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, The internal coding style guideline is even worse < 1397943484 799741 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has guidelines? < 1397943486 661516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I assume it is < 1397943494 447132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well the *result* is terrible at least < 1397943498 101883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there are guidelines < 1397943525 238159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm i was wondering why deadfish got so low on that center thing < 1397943546 9719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i remembered that deadfish splitup... < 1397943551 910300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :StartSSL allowed for a free rekeying of affected certificates back when that Debian thing happened. < 1397943566 652832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i remembered something else. there are a lot of section links into deadfish. < 1397943568 446288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're sticking to their $24.90/cert fee for any heartbleed-affected ones, however.) < 1397943582 188730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1397943651 39660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any human involved in "earning" that money? < 1397943680 255010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they do have a human looking over revocation requests, yes. < 1397943693 41377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ccache: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: Error 24 < 1397943696 667764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was interesting < 1397943700 873214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Twitter has it some people have gotten their revocations for free, even if the official policy is that it's not. < 1397943714 85993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 < 1397943715 908942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists < 1397943733 651366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, why doesn't "this links here" tell whether links are section links twh < 1397943735 916415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, ccache --help works though < 1397943773 147042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: #define EMFILE 24 /* Too many open files */ < 1397943792 131455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming you have matching error numbers.) < 1397943808 343034 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh that is weird < 1397943816 180446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is per process right? < 1397943839 856746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should be. < 1397943852 994910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, I probably should've considered section links as links to the page itself. < 1397943867 60191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Deadfish implementations10]]": I just realized the move broke section links to the original. < 1397943877 372483 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94.224.29.210 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1397943881 2959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ccache resolves to ccache-swig in the end < 1397943883 803015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :running that works < 1397943884 578287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1397943887 531438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file -s /usr/bin/ccache-swig /usr/bin/ccache-swig2.0 < 1397943887 734289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ccache-swig: symbolic link to `ccache-swig2.0' < 1397943887 734368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ccache-swig2.0: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x390684d9747dd1b7b2ea1a4e842962607f7306cb, stripped < 1397943895 618413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :running ccache-swig2.0 doesn't < 1397943897 843011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same error < 1397943904 605460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39378&oldid=39237 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+59486) 10Undo revision 39237 by [[Special:Contributions/Nooodl|Nooodl]] ([[User talk:Nooodl|talk]]) (Breaks section links and half the point of the article) < 1397943909 546124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'use POSIX;print strerror(24)."\n"' < 1397943910 143101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many open files < 1397943953 529691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lol, swig provides ccache-swig < 1397943959 168767 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actual ccache is not installed < 1397943962 26836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so weird < 1397944040 483741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what ccache-swig actually does < 1397944056 983896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :man page seems to suggest it is ccache with swig-support < 1397944060 247749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? I have no idea < 1397944116 602293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you have opinions on whether "that center thing" should optimally look at other namespaces in addition to main and Category? (E.g. User.) < 1397944192 14161 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try installing the real ccache? < 1397944220 602700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possibly Esolang: < 1397944229 405749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, just did so < 1397944235 213625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it replaced the swig one < 1397944236 446535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :User sounds dubious. < 1397944255 870718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ssh-keygen < 1397944256 411626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397944271 444887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(echo hi) < 1397944271 999237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1397944297 814738 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi; echo $? < 1397944298 385964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi \ 0 < 1397944316 650996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongly connected component now 1303 vertices when considering also Esolang: and converting section links to links of the page. < 1397944324 152239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh and you aren't including the sidebar links are you? < 1397944333 152857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those also feel dubious < 1397944340 242651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just [[...]] in the article source. < 1397944343 264276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :include Special:Random < 1397944364 507277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which also means templates are not... what's the fancy MediaWiki word for expanding them?) < 1397944381 2660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transclusion? No, that was expanding with some particular semantics. < 1397944391 235342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm no kind of MediaWiki admin.) < 1397944431 541112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates "Templates are standard wiki pages whose content is designed to be transcluded (embedded) inside other pages." < 1397944523 282933 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between transclusion and inclusion then? < 1397944543 927359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see some sort of general "distribution" engine. That worked on stuff other than compilers. It could work by creating a virtual environment on the remote machine, pulling additional files if they were opened (and then learning the behaviour of commands for the future, to avoid sending un-needed files, but send all needed files in advance) < 1397944582 147340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would send over the invoked binary and all dependencies if they didn't exist locally, probably building a hash-directory of files in /lib and so on < 1397944590 127335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ironically you can preclude text from transclusion using markup < 1397944613 953916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of fuse thing could probably do it? Maybe uml? < 1397944634 970753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( playing cludeo ) < 1397944642 309179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Though I don't think incoming links *to* Deadfish should (and didn't seem to, after all) affect its (directed-graph) closeness centrality much, since it's defined as the average shortest-path distance to any other page when starting from Deadfish. < 1397944696 130719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think icecc is pretty close, it uses an archive that becomes a chroot environment for the command to run < 1397944730 381997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did bump the Markov chain stationary distribution number of Deadfish up from 0.000647 to 0.000648, however! < 1397944735 241248 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, having trouble finding the icecc you refer to < 1397944740 764749 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has code for parsing compiler command lines and doing preprocessing locally, and such... so you'd have to modify it to do other things with it < 1397944750 735530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aka icecream < 1397944763 707791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why does "Befunge/index.php" exist? <-- i vaguely think that's one of the "taken over after a spammer created it" pages < 1397944763 893142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh okay, yeah that helped find the correct one < 1397944771 586465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, as elliott said < 1397944771 772552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CyrillicFez 5* 10New user account < 1397944834 858065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah it just seems like a centralized distcc really < 1397944836 751925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1397944837 743605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, < 1397944899 224747 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArnoldC14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39379 5* 03CyrillicFez 5* (+192) 10Created page with "ArnoldC is an esoteric programming language created with Scala by Lauri Hartikka. The source is available [https://github.com/lhartikk/ArnoldC here], along with tutorials and ..." < 1397944970 508496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I checked, distcc only worked on identical machines, but maybe icecc and distcc are more equivalent now < 1397944985 429960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397945008 52641 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone written AES in bf yet? < 1397945024 686517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah distcc does that, unless you do a cross compiler, in which case only the cross system root needs to be identical < 1397945043 454166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and that is only for pump mode, in otherwise just the compiler needs to be identical < 1397945057 983326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I was thinking some sort of transparent thing that would monitor resources used by the command to determine what needed transferring, So if it tried to open /usr/share/foo and that was not already sent over, it would be on demand. Then it would remember that access for the future, and if it was accessed consistently it would send that over on every run and/or cache it < 1397945095 697928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, dependency extraction from command line arguments would be tricky though < 1397945115 73316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could detect if a file was used that was mentioned on the command line, but I'n not sure about includes and such, < 1397945123 529153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few other random esolang statistics: maximum out-degree 858 ("Language list", such a surprise); maximum in-degree 376 ("Category:Languages", ditto). < 1397945132 694839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could manually write extractors for that, but then you would be back to specially handling all of that < 1397945150 13909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so who are the runner-ups? < 1397945154 71370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about non-category/list ones? < 1397945169 683768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a moment, I'll make a top-ten or so. < 1397945203 96507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiositty, how many edges do you have at the moment? < 1397945246 458611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10815 edges between 1781 articles, when not doing the strongly-connected component restriction. < 1397945265 806387 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1397945275 1684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 10143 edges if collapsing multiple links to one. < 1397945295 732355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so there's no trouble with keeping them all in memory then :-) ) < 1397945301 957788 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah icecream is nice, but not quite where I want it < 1397945313 236203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. There's even no trouble with keeping a non-sparse adjacency matrix. < 1397945339 147592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly no en.wikipedia, that's for sure. < 1397945348 256940 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic dependency tracking is awesome < 1397945365 467697 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the magic that lets CUPS get installed no matter what program you want to install < 1397945371 181784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, exactly, so a combination of icecream and tup I guess < 1397945381 148324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, heh < 1397945410 165189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, I was looking at it for a different context though < 1397945442 969816 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic: cabal install cabal-install < 1397945451 920690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: there's that awful application side of cups, libcups, that tends to pull it in :/ < 1397945464 395674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1397945482 700306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, http://sprunge.us/PDcj for a top-50 out/in-degrees. < 1397945499 772975 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte: also most packages dont need it but lots of them have it enabled in the default "./configure" so all the binary packages have it as a dep < 1397945508 56276 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though there will never be a printer hooked up to my computer < 1397945514 228898 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every program requries it < 1397945537 867751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so basically Brainfuck in both cases for actual esolang < 1397945540 596414 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn it < 1397945547 341576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of those 461 in-edges to "Esoteric programming language" are probably first-paragraph "X is a [[esoteric programming language]] ..." stuff. < 1397945550 52017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, when did the firefox threads get distinct names? < 1397945553 517417 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuckers at my isp have blocked viooz now too < 1397945557 736220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, so use gentoo < 1397945561 851340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, where you can turn it off < 1397945566 976782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is that < 1397945575 483894 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: what makes you think i was talking about linux? < 1397945583 787312 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : newsham, so use gentoo < 1397945591 656286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that was a joke btw < 1397945597 543090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank god < 1397945598 405934 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: why do you hate me? < 1397945599 323500 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also there are good VPN services, I can recommend a couple < 1397945608 842962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, do I? That was news to me < 1397945614 528351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was surprised by http://sprunge.us/RdUT ) < 1397945616 811009 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you wanted to gen2 me :( < 1397945619 802954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, anyway what *are* you using then < 1397945637 977814 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, it was a joke, you could just turn off CUPS there < 1397945645 922466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped using gentoo years ago < 1397945656 482381 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you need vpn for? if its for avoiding geolocation, i know a proxy that is better than general proxy since it will geolocate you diff places depending on which site you hit < 1397945671 61579 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: freebsd (also ubuntu) < 1397945692 870278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Huh, that's so fancy. Thunderbird (well, Icedove) and Chromium threads have reasonable names, too. < 1397945693 346340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, well okay, with ports can't you turn flags on and off? I don't remember < 1397945697 630720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1397945721 10629 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: you can do it manually in ports, but if you use precompiled packages you will get cups < 1397945728 446479 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the kevin bacon of packages < 1397945731 129493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? < 1397945733 26089 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more links than erdos < 1397945742 983537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | |-mate-panel-+-chromium-+-chrome-sandbox---chromium---chromium---3*[chromium---{chromium}] < 1397945743 188060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | |-chromium < 1397945743 188137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | |-chromium-+-chromium < 1397945743 188174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | | `-3*[{chromium}] < 1397945743 188210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | `-48*[{chromium}] < 1397945748 985939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look like reasonable names < 1397945761 917077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly new, then: http://sprunge.us/NANf < 1397945766 742417 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397945779 479626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do you need vpn for? if its for avoiding geolocation, i know a proxy that is better than general proxy since it will geolocate you diff places depending on which site you hit < 1397945790 797504 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :geolocation isn't the issue, it's the isp blocking the site altogether < 1397945824 724408 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then vpn it is.. there are lots of them.. usually around $10/mo, sometimes a little cheaper < 1397945829 89536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not debian stable I guess < 1397945840 654986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, this is on jessie. < 1397945840 859321 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1397945843 480666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1397945867 916842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chromium 33.0.1750.152 Debian jessie/sid (256984)" < 1397945868 159011 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point in paying to pirate films... < 1397945882 497399 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paying to pirate films? < 1397945885 544509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, doesn't a proxy work for that? < 1397945902 564643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using jessie here, too. < 1397945919 454622 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: if you use a dns-based proxy it can proxy through different geo-sites for different services. vs a vpn where you pop out at a fixed point for the duration of your vpn tunnel < 1397945939 999050 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom: i dont use it to pirate < 1397945970 126137 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use it to stream tv from uk, fr, ca, ... < 1397945998 380708 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :through the legit tv station websites < 1397946000 605796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, see /msg < 1397946010 224309 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they just geo-lock it based on ip addr) < 1397946016 887947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, ah true < 1397946090 559985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Presumably that's still pirating. (At least the Finnish public broadcasting company's site geo-locks those programs they have distribution rights only for within Finland.) < 1397946093 477109 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397946093 748560 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1397946115 141602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, what proxy do you use btw? < 1397946120 463867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess some of them might be less discriminating.) < 1397946125 828429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like one in US at times < 1397946129 21790 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: depends on who you believe. i've heard industry lawyers say that video taping tv shows is pirating and that copying your cd to mp3 files is pirating < 1397946136 442977 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the us govt stating otherwise < 1397946153 260233 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, lambdabot is breaking in -lens < 1397946163 149148 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Lawyers who hadn't heard of the Betamax case? < 1397946177 882730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1397946178 84280 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :041 : 12Integer < 1397946179 197663 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: overplay.net's smartdns proxy (they also have traditional proxy, i dont use that though) < 1397946182 303512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1397946191 794812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, what is the difference? < 1397946205 326867 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, even lawyers who have heard of the case. the great thing about being a lawyer is that you dont have to agree with precedence or reality if your client doesnt want you to < 1397946232 637370 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: for smartdns you just configure your dns to point to them, they give back responses for certain sites that direct you through some auto-proxies of theirs < 1397946244 167736 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never run a traditional vpn program on your host < 1397946245 836270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, eh okay < 1397946249 493370 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, you don't get auto-disbarred for giving advice that is the exact opposite of what precedent and law explicitly says. < 1397946269 31160 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly a lawyer can just say "Sure, you can murder all who stand in your way". < 1397946283 724515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, what about the traditonal proxy then? I assume that is a third option to the VPN < 1397946290 795523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you mean VPN < 1397946304 685646 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if all lawyers were required to agree with all case law there would never be any challenges to case law < 1397946304 889774 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I only see smartdns and vpn on their site < 1397946324 963624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well you CAN murder all who stand in your way. < 1397946325 695539 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: I use smartdns. i dont use vpn. < 1397946333 577501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just you might get in a little trouble for it. < 1397946343 475154 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm sure blackwater lawyers have given out advice along those lines in the past < 1397946348 227712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, right, but there was also traditonal proxy you said, I assume a normal HTTP proxy? < 1397946361 339839 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i meant traditional vpn, sorry < 1397946365 618653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1397946397 17765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham, what is their logging policy? < 1397946403 736445 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont know.. i never asked. < 1397946404 3705 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Note that this is a supreme court finding. Without changes in law there literally can't be challenges... By which I mean "in US legal practice, if the Supreme Court said pi was three, pi is three." < 1397946424 975050 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: there are dozens of proxy and vpn vendors.. shop around, i'm sure some talk about logging policies < 1397946450 200637 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can they get disbarred for disagreeing with a supreme court hearing when talking to the press? < 1397946456 938565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, if you just want a solid, fast and reasonably priced VPN provider in Europe I would recommend https://www.ipredator.se/ < 1397946467 303334 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is more or less the context i was talking about.. industry people telling the press that something was illegal despite case law < 1397946469 280522 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Getting disbarred is ludicrously difficult. < 1397946490 862324 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd basically have to shit on a judge. < 1397946555 479154 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the judge has to disapprove < 1397946561 932465 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some judges are into that < 1397946576 994519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm, there are two zombie processes, I wonder if they have anything to do with it. < 1397946616 584167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only issues I had with that VPN provider have turned out to be on my end. I have a non-trivial setup where only a specific user account is routed through the VPN. This is a mess of iptables and multiple routing tables to achieve. < 1397946623 228712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1397946636 923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered I have a race condition at boot in that setup that I haven't managed to solve < 1397946646 245968 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting disbarred also only applies to a given state... You can then go out and have a law license elsewhere. < 1397946676 304173 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if prenda lawyers cant get disbarred, nobody can < 1397946692 794276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: apparently, so restarting it helped. hmm. < 1397946692 998189 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you tend to only get disbarred by your state's bar association. i.e. an association of lawyers. < 1397946712 645671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(will have helped, once it's back in all channels) < 1397946742 392666 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say that it's about as hard to get disbarred as it is for a police officer to get charged with a crime. < 1397946830 32159 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone's found an actual use for my groups Haskell library < 1397946878 738803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1397946884 873018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 42 < 1397946894 717337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1397946921 702806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately my current favorite supreme court ridiculousness is a consequence of facts, not pseudofact itself < 1397947037 340151 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I found my POSIX cat in befunge again < 1397947041 614620 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, go on < 1397947042 633264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should put that up somewhere < 1397947051 396764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 that is < 1397947058 935527 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it handle the semantics of -u? < 1397947072 611363 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you remember the Myriad Genetics case < 1397947082 908534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, alas it is documented to the effect of tt being impossible in befunge-98 < 1397947092 815592 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, no < 1397947096 251122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't even remember what -u does < 1397947098 135649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me < 1397947102 83156 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbuffered IO. < 1397947106 437866 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the gene patents one? < 1397947115 915512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Yeah you can't do that from inside befunge < 1397947120 322056 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1397947121 6008 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. no FILE* junk. < 1397947125 702755 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read()'s fine though. < 1397947127 467197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why does gnu cat ignore it though < 1397947132 673860 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conclusion was "you can't patent DNA, but you can patent cDNA" < 1397947139 311563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you can turn off buffering on FILE* < 1397947140 882281 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU cat uses unbuffered IO unconditionally. < 1397947146 43777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1397947151 780552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 619710.906128/86400 < 1397947153 153859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7.172579932037037 < 1397947160 458163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that seems inefficient < 1397947161 883698 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit like saying you can't patent some text, but you can patent some text that you produced by copying the text you can't patent verbatim < 1397947173 152120 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, w...wat < 1397947189 969775 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1397947190 884658 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. It just passes read() a large integer, and then write()s the results of that out. < 1397947193 550864 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :supreme court can't into molecular biology < 1397947196 591824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Known bugs and limitations: < 1397947196 795216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Due to Befunge-98's command line argument handling, double null string < 1397947196 795308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : parameters will be treated as end of command line. < 1397947196 795346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Due to Befunge-98's standard IO limitations it is impossible to implement -u. < 1397947197 818952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ^ < 1397947204 710124 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cdna actually distinguishable from dna, physically? < 1397947233 863745 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly efficient in general, though it'll be fairly inefficient if the source is something crazy that only ever writes, say, 1 byte at a time. < 1397947244 463102 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is to say, "hardly anything") < 1397947244 913495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right < 1397947257 866073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, maybe some sort of character device? < 1397947261 813514 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well cDNA is isolated bits rather than the whole genome < 1397947273 194972 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not generally. < 1397947287 83163 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The read() call will get the contents of the kernel char device buffer. :) < 1397947301 369703 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not just not sure, practically speaking, what patenting cDNA would mean < 1397947314 426461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is way too sparse befunge code btw, much too readable < 1397947321 106620 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also commented < 1397947333 690352 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, and so what, because you need to use the cDNA version of a gene to do anything meaningful with it, the patent functionally covers all uses of that gene? < 1397947336 484115 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not patenting the process to make cDNA, so anybody can do it, and you're not patenting the genetic information or transcription characteristics, which are not synthetic < 1397947340 655849 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "inefficient" here means "practical IO speed of, like, 15 MB/s" < 1397947358 961598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Also GPL3 for some reason, though I'll probably relicense it to some "do whatever, but credit me" deal < 1397947377 462890 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't even know. the decision's stated idea was that it's because cDNA is synthetic < 1397947382 461785 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also what you're bounded by anyways, because that's the speed of your source. < 1397947384 7944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have used I/O devices much faster than that < 1397947406 172068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wasn't on a commonly available system though < 1397947437 660626 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that 1-char-at-a-time means that cat is reading from a device about that slow, meaning that it's... not exactly an issue that cat's also being slow. < 1397947445 554740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1397947454 461494 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there's no particular reason to *not* just use unbuffered IO. < 1397947457 855409 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a bit like taking a copyrighted photograph, cutting several chunks out of the middle, and calling the result a new product that is eligible for copyright." says a geneticist, since i'm not one < 1397947480 101073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: great, so now I can try to puzzle out why lambdabot would leave zombies behind, and how they affect @run. (by "lambdabot breaks" you did mean that @run produced (almost?) only timeouts, right?) < 1397947486 824950 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the comparison is a bit interesting since i'm pretty sure if you were creative enough about your cutting that would actually be copyrightable) < 1397947492 353423 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Anyway http://sprunge.us/RQIT < 1397947503 130006 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, (yes) < 1397947504 909939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is pretty terrible befunge-98 code < 1397947542 181350 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cDNA is produced in the first place with reverse transcriptase, which is natural, just not naturally applied to human mRNA < 1397947573 462402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm almost kind of glad scalia had the guts to say "ok i don't know any of this science stuff" in his opinion < 1397947676 262318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : (the comparison is a bit interesting since i'm pretty sure if you were creative enough about your cutting that would actually be copyrightable) <-- yes I think the technical term is "transformative work" < 1397947730 926721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, why does the UK pretend it isn't European < 1397947741 914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1397947758 788196 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: big fan of lhooq personally < 1397947771 345282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, not sure what that is < 1397947785 782608 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marcel_Duchamp_Mona_Lisa_LHOOQ.jpg < 1397947837 556576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes, that is possibly transformative < 1397947852 668621 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably even < 1397947859 310114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know this is comedy, but have a look at the first quote here: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yes,_Minister#Episode_Five:_The_Writing_on_the_Wall < 1397947864 479230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not a lawyer < 1397947935 566601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, hehe < 1397947996 635747 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used as an example of derivative work, i think < 1397948012 782917 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the main recontextualization is that lhooq is half-french for "her ass is hot" < 1397948880 662127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/url < 1397948881 186099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ print ("http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/" + \ urllib.quote(sys.argv[1])) < 1397948911 798871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1397948912 563051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url < 1397949957 420258 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397949989 819321 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1397950201 443364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diameter of the wiki is 14 nodes; there are 24 pairs of pages that need 13 hops to navigate between them: http://sprunge.us/NHaM < 1397950209 599863 :DarthMater!~AnnHero@162.219.179.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397950244 837224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course there are several pairs of pages where you "can't get there from here", as they say, but ignoring those.) < 1397950265 269035 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big's the second-largest connected component? < 1397950275 494630 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, rather, how many pages are there not in the largest connected < 1397950323 748847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weakly or strongly connected? < 1397950368 128443 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right digraph. uhhhh how about both < 1397950394 629746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 1692 pages in the largest weakly connected component, and 89 pages in others, the largest of which has three (3) pages. < 1397950406 192520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/paste < 1397950406 824245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/paste < 1397950456 677299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 1303 pages in the largest strongly connected component, and (obviously) 478 pages in others, the lergest of which have two (2) pages. (There are four such components.) < 1397950487 654808 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-ocssjavduaozdvut JOIN :#esoteric < 1397950487 879638 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-ocssjavduaozdvut QUIT :Changing host < 1397950487 879717 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1397950497 173585 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hellœrjan. thanks for reminding me I need to update the PDF when I get home. < 1397950515 717754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the records, the non-singular strongly connected components are {"SELECT.", "SELECT./Hello World"}, {"Preposterous Programming", "Preposterous Programming Language"}, {"Postfix notation", "Prefix notation"} and {"Esolang:Community portal", "The Esoteric File Archive"}. < 1397950515 903896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1397950578 581975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the single weakly connected component of three pages is {"Chalcraft-Green train track automaton", "Chalcraft-Greene train track automaton", "ChalcraftGreen"} but that's p. boring since two of those are just redirect pages, which this script interprets as pages with a single link to the redirect target. < 1397950725 716869 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397950793 404600 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1397950795 600060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test 1&>2 < 1397950796 966574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397950809 469830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test 1&>2 2&>1 < 1397950810 835640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397950826 798242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should look up the syntax. < 1397950841 30417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1>&2 if you want fd 1 to go where fd 2 is currently going. < 1397950888 378103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test 1>&2 < 1397950889 366491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1397950896 310066 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1397950955 848007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So ... >foo 2>&1 puts both stdout and stderr to file foo, while ... 2>&1 >foo puts only stdout to foo, and stderr to where stdout used to go.) < 1397951012 32817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm 1 2 # let's keep things tidy here < 1397951013 566103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397951186 579367 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 2>&3 1>&2 3>&1 3>&- ;# swaps stdout and stderr. < 1397951250 848747 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397951327 88538 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though also clobbers fd 3 if that happens to be open. < 1397951331 757094 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do a xor swap < 1397951419 649376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Don't you mean 3>&2 2>&1 1>&3 3>&- instead? At least empirically speaking that seems to work, while the former doesn't. < 1397951420 833676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/url < 1397951426 290821 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, yes, you are correct. < 1397951426 965151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-04-19 23:50:24 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/url [364/364] -> "url" [1] < 1397951438 69303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x url; mv url bin < 1397951439 440044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397951440 269611 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't tend to futz with fd redirects that much. < 1397951443 302818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url test < 1397951443 999947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/test < 1397951449 878542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url /hackenv/test < 1397951450 532866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/test < 1397951457 48895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1397951457 626087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1397951478 398142 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url // < 1397951478 946744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository < 1397951480 450777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's arguably kind of confusing that A>&B does essentially a dup2 of B into fd A. < 1397951482 694851 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397951496 314359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1397951497 419479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url < 1397951504 434956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So meta.) < 1397951505 793233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test may not be perfect < 1397951512 948494 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls // < 1397951513 512853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr < 1397951514 25413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1397951518 13794 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1397951536 454769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/repository/repository./' bin/url < 1397951537 515931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397951548 46863 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, `url definitely doesn't handle '//' nicely. < 1397951566 816245 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, '//' is approx. utterly insane. < 1397951582 270127 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is implementation-defined whether or not it is the root directory) < 1397951596 28899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um what do you mean, that is _not_ in the repository. < 1397951605 353952 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1397951609 666685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but //hackenv/x would be. < 1397951616 84746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok < 1397951620 311205 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url //hackenv/ < 1397951620 928204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1397951632 66177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url //hackenv/test < 1397951632 805896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1397951691 419718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i -e 's|^/hack|^/+hack|' bin/url < 1397951692 419515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397951697 583612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url //hackenv/test < 1397951698 164863 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397951698 350968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1397951712 683662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ^. < 1397951730 247880 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a special case, in the root directory, dot-dot may refer to the root directory itself." < 1397951733 669461 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may* < 1397951740 759202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url //hackenv/test < 1397951741 456650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/test < 1397951744 396019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:fbfb:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1397951760 292221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you fixed it? < 1397951768 595796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though sneakily in a query. < 1397951833 704211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that still doesn't handle .. etc. < 1397951870 812482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :os.path.abspath could probably do it, but really... < 1397952424 559105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's say that's enough then < 1397952757 903669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | TEST="" cat "$TEST" < 1397952758 527088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: : No such file or directory < 1397952765 319678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1397952789 320569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to make no argument when the string is empty? < 1397952880 349271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | TEST="hi ho" cat "$TEST" < 1397952880 926548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: : No such file or directory < 1397952894 286442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's not working < 1397952927 594916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | TEST="hi ho" echo "$TEST" < 1397952928 226762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397952940 743343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi | TEST="hi ho" echo "$TEST" < 1397952941 336498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397952953 63077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it think that was the syntax < 1397953028 179491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "test" >"hi ho" < 1397953029 596456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397953035 16070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste hi ho < 1397953035 735552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/hi%20ho < 1397953055 119049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm hi ho < 1397953056 419178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397953307 651022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i can just use - as default < 1397953429 240870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat -- test < 1397953429 780313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1397953445 46338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which cat < 1397953445 556836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/cat < 1397953446 571179 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397953456 321707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi | run cat -- - < 1397953456 916503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi | run cat -- - < 1397953461 306113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | run cat -- - < 1397953461 916667 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: run: command not found < 1397953470 959570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | cat -- - < 1397953471 526528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1397953485 741138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe brain isn't entirely working. < 1397953533 678902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` function f { echo /$1/ /$TEST/; }; TEST=23; TEST=42 f $TEST < 1397953534 239397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/23/ /42/ < 1397953615 976688 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397953643 826794 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397954255 373889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One rapper likes big butts and cannot lie. One rapper likes small butts and always lies. One rapper likes all butts but shares your inability to assess butt size, and will answer yes or no at random if asked whether a butt is big or small." < 1397954260 197055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ethicalwerewolf.blogspot.com/2011/02/puzzle-about-your-butt.html < 1397954348 970422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got there from http://lesswrong.com/lw/acy/acausal_romance/ which I got by googling "acausal sex" which I'm going to blame lexande for < 1397954498 418155 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397954596 20190 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you read lesswrong! < 1397954675 114929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/paste < 1397954678 924133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-04-20 00:44:36 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/paste [246/246] -> "paste.1" [1] < 1397954693 332441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1397954701 358347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x paste.1 < 1397954702 668160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397954711 449237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./paste.1 test < 1397954712 49100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/paste.1: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `else' \ /hackenv/paste.1: line 4: `else' < 1397954728 149554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1397954742 432339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/paste < 1397954743 891869 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-04-20 00:45:41 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/paste [255/255] -> "paste.2" [1] < 1397954756 357882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x paste.2 < 1397954757 687181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397954759 528091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./paste.1 test < 1397954760 85591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/paste.1: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `else' \ /hackenv/paste.1: line 4: `else' < 1397954767 845723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./paste.2 test < 1397954768 635133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/test < 1397954785 516186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./paste.2 /hackenv/url < 1397954786 217442 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/url < 1397954808 958928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test | ./paste.2 < 1397954810 696156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.29682 < 1397954882 219637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox < 1397954882 472199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1397954887 184891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1397954903 346935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait XD < 1397954915 949514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`./paste.2 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox < 1397954917 887229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.20962 < 1397954937 465412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1397954951 620740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv paste.2 bin/paste; rm paste.1 < 1397954953 68289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1397954985 839732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mission accomplished. < 1397955049 486497 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397955179 211723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so now `paste will fallback to the piping method for files outside /hackenv < 1397955248 586789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1397955249 68754 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1397955369 703365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: originally it always used the piping method, but then i realized a long time ago it was stupid to copy files which were already in the repository. < 1397955414 927092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't bother to treat the special case of a file name which was _outside_ it. < 1397955447 861989 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397956341 786665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39380&oldid=39378 5* 0372.28.222.28 5* (+80) 10Added makey-makey interpeter < 1397956688 826580 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.synacktiv.com/ressources/TCP32764_backdoor_again.pdf security < 1397956819 500543 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1397956868 112660 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1397957008 916485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :birdman kicked my ass < 1397957098 325899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1397957099 675246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beltercincoin nhofondcoin hunterconveyorcoin brevcoin korzacoin beatcoin 59074250346.9987377coin nufcoin grincoin bulicoin 0x2903coin exancoin pavitcoin octycoin convcoin villcoin musgescacoin franocoin itformcoin afficcoin < 1397957219 915942 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're going to have our own Québecoin → http://journalmetro.com/actualites/national/481461/le-quebec-aura-sa-monnaie-nationale-virtuelle/ < 1397957345 771301 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you deliever 59074250346.9987377 coins? < 1397957712 598854 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one at a time < 1397958844 721128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the Day of the Tentacle way. < 1397958923 701289 :DarthMater!~AnnHero@68.232.186.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397958971 139976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the few situations where fake barf *isn't* useful < 1397958985 139054 :DarthMater!~AnnHero@68.232.186.227 QUIT :Client Quit < 1397959181 767704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! 1956! < 1397959723 506347 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397959895 979914 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397959897 269635 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1397960679 807701 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: SHEEPY CHICKEN < 1397961318 828969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence < 1397961321 479414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => [m a] -> m [a] < 1397961327 535577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map . flip ($) < 1397961328 810711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> [a -> b] -> [b] < 1397961339 221923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip sequence < 1397961340 506922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> [b -> a] -> [a] < 1397961437 498070 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1397961480 787550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let (.:) = (.).(.) in (.: sequence) < 1397961483 906334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :([a1] -> c) -> [a -> a1] -> a -> c < 1397961594 975279 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip < 1397961597 620642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1397961607 502215 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm confused. < 1397961631 265279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is confusing you. < 1397961652 785180 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how flip sequence exists < 1397961670 338575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the power of the (->) a Monad instance. < 1397961684 212503 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh. that's kinda nasty < 1397961708 393598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's the simplest way to apply all of a list of functions to a value. < 1397961738 947596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (??) < 1397961741 482378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1397961757 192619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use that one from lens. < 1397961774 813421 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1397961828 626659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hoping they will add ?? to Data.Functor. < 1397961871 697729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and & to Data.Function < 1397961890 241727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm perhaps i should check if they have < 1397961902 13406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was decided against a while ago < 1397961907 980256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that changed though < 1397961927 104547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1397961953 446277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them? :( < 1397962005 449752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ?? should belong in the Functor/Applicative hierarchy, it's just a missing variant of <$> <*> < 1397962026 571773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's of course badly named for that < 1397962058 158788 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it is badly named in general < 1397962083 292852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1397962111 20667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alas the naming scheme for functor and applicative operators doesn't imply any obvious spot to put it. < 1397962153 970808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all of <* *> <$ $> have been taken for something else < 1397962190 226533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you'd have made <$> something assymetric that you could have mirrored < 1397962373 998091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (~%) < 1397962375 502408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘~%’ < 1397962375 728344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1397962375 728410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘%’ (imported from Data.Ratio), ‘%~’ (imported from Control.Lens) < 1397962384 222774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%~) < 1397962385 192515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profunctor p => Setting p s t a b -> p a b -> s -> t < 1397962385 991232 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397962409 376204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%=) < 1397962410 381622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MonadState s m, Profunctor p) => Setting p s s a b -> p a b -> m () < 1397962420 773693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (=~) < 1397962421 618592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘=~’ < 1397962421 804138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1397962421 804226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘==’ (imported from Data.Eq), ‘#~’ (imported from Control.Lens), < 1397962426 192454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1397962427 908957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397962428 725891 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397962431 884324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.~) < 1397962432 730643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASetter s t a b -> b -> s -> t < 1397962433 253757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <€> < 1397962467 59909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah how obivous < 1397962473 519076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1397962653 447319 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1397962882 766257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ski wishes (<$>) was (<$), I think < 1397963233 364287 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397963554 596684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's still not a logical way to take care of the whole set. < 1397963585 645339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember now, he wanted (<*>) = (<$>) < 1397963594 580847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fmap would be (<$) and I don't think he cares about (<*)/(*>) < 1397963604 691415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he thought (<*>) should be liftA2 (*) I think :P < 1397963615 408730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since (<$>) would be liftA2 ($)) < 1397963635 704027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in that case it would actually be more logica to let fmap be $> if current (<*>) were <$> < 1397963642 745337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+l < 1397963663 362809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because leaving out a < or > would then mean the argument on that side is pure < 1397963697 481846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ?? would be <$ < 1397963711 570703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right. < 1397963736 457727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<$>) for ap would make applicative style code even uglier than it is now though. < 1397963791 992037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to fit current <$ $> <* *> into that system it would be necessary to have operators for const and flip const to put inside < 1397963853 108761 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397963979 304181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1397964088 311205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|*| for <*>, *| for <$>, |>| for *> (and >>), |<| for <*, |> for $> and <| for <$ < 1397964098 657610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and |* for ?? < 1397964140 493854 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was & decided against? < 1397964174 413543 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too squiggly < 1397964199 928022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a recent discussion someone said that they've decided against including trivially writeable operators < 1397964214 42133 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial, the greatest term < 1397964214 653672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or trivial operators which people can write themselves < 1397964223 943722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1397964249 898115 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ standardization is a good thing < 1397964270 462235 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what of trivially writable functions? < 1397964284 166176 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the diff < 1397964321 997796 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :operators = infix by default, non-operators = prefix by default < 1397964366 326966 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they obviously haven't decided that id should be removed < 1397964472 151934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about removing stuff, it's about not adding more < 1397964509 284717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are too _many_ things that can be added. < 1397964677 304066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you might as well just add idiom brackets, when getting that radical < 1397964774 218101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1397964981 314199 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1397965211 739670 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about idiom brackets with tagging 'impure' instead of 'pure' values (yeah yeah, bad nominclature) < 1397966537 673344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, nominclature is bad nomenclature hth < 1397967246 928270 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quilt more trance < 1397967378 378475 :doesthiswork!b8ab3b18@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.171.59.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397970543 46947 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397971380 17842 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397971818 708927 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397972128 823206 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397972247 605935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1397973611 970932 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.icanbarelydraw.com/comic/2702 < 1397973720 175008 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I seem to have stumbled upon some arc looking at modern day money as though it was new and bitcoin was standard < 1397973725 576659 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :comic not funny. furthermore, they can't draw at all. i demand a refund. < 1397974670 160495 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1397975100 427935 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397977972 633517 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1397979610 629983 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1397980169 637840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you heard of the Taneb-calculus < 1397980233 281534 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Taneb isn't a greek letter! < 1397980258 313990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf never said Taneb was a greek letter < 1397980624 86287 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397981070 559764 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397981166 365155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan If we're going to be that fancy, I fixed `url to use os.path.abspath so that e.g. `url /bin/../hackenv/test works. < 1397981166 550212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1397981482 698749 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghutkmedhjyviyuo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1397981583 168617 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1397981872 219646 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1397982216 120903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen Phantom_Hoover < 1397982216 938952 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory \ not lately; try `seen Phantom_Hoover ever < 1397982228 961764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nogs :'( < 1397983622 50410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397983655 658699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \m -> \n -> (\f -> f(m)(f(n)(\z -> z)))(\x -> (\y -> y)) < 1397983656 635867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t -> t -> t1 -> t1 < 1397983658 617174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) :t \m -> \n -> (\f -> f(m)(f(n)(\z -> z)))(\x -> (\y -> y)) < 1397983658 990631 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: |syntax error < 1397983659 176511 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: | :t\m->\n->(\f->f(m)(f(n)(\z->z)))(\x->( \y->y)) < 1397983662 65884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1397983664 308846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \m -> \n -> (\f -> f(m)(f(n)(\z -> z)))(\x -> (\y -> y)) < 1397983668 111744 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: end of input, < 1397983668 298404 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : operator < 1397983668 298503 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \m -> \n -> (\f -> f(m)(f(n)(\z -> z)))(\x -> (\y -> y)) < 1397983668 298542 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1397983669 85027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) < 1397983680 263543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \m -> \n -> (\f -> f(m)(f(n)(\z -> z)))(\x -> (\y -> y)) < 1397983680 783587 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:4: error: expected: ",", < 1397983680 969332 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":", "=>" < 1397983680 969404 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m -> \n -> (\f -> f(m)(f(n)(\z -> z)))(\x -> (\y -> y)) < 1397983680 969448 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1397983688 998713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I do a lambda in Idris? < 1397983698 970485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \m => \n => (\f => f(m)(f(n)(\z => z)))(\x => (\y => y)) < 1397983699 508137 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:40:When elaborating an application of constructor 04__infer: < 1397983699 693937 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable argTy < 1397983703 688159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1397983712 188867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's correct syntax, but perhps a buggy interp < 1397983731 489348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it's trying to evaluate a higher-order function without arguments available < 1397983911 91700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, any Haskellites around here, is it possible to get Haskell to infer the correct type for that term (t -> t1 -> t2 -> t2)? < 1397984038 133151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the correct type? < 1397984102 216838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see, you want a rank-2 type for the \f lambda. < 1397984110 569402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really. < 1397984353 233798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your Haskell code is very unidiomatic. < 1397984372 302574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can annotate the type explicitly to get the type you want. < 1397984396 581109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \m n -> ((\(f :: forall a x. a -> x -> x) -> f m (f n id))) (\x -> id) < 1397984397 388914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a1 -> a2 -> a2 < 1397984402 718643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1397984525 543555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's not Haskell code, it's typed lambda calculus < 1397984547 806200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that it's possible to make it work the way I wanted, though < 1397984553 741261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think f(x) application is unidiomatic there too. < 1397984563 148648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just meant syntactically.) < 1397984583 333799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but Haskell allows the parens there and I wanted to make sure I got the term right < 1397984593 124811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's busy defeating something like three years of research < 1397984608 726075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the research? < 1397984690 527250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :type systems that describe programs, rather than limit them < 1397985148 138176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, building idris uses quite a bit of RAM. < 1397985188 255236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, this is ridiculous. < 1397987539 458729 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-100161.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1397989740 494992 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@93.190.140.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397989897 490188 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@athedsl-100161.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1397989962 662490 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397990342 531506 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1397990624 530779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am suddenly really self conscious about my arms < 1397990704 501668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that happened to me a while back, it went away after a few months < 1397990715 112406 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my arms are really tiny < 1397990719 607670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1397990725 300384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just kept noticing that they existed < 1397990726 898824 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long but tiny < 1397990732 673501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got in the way while I was trying to lie in bed < 1397990740 461905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I need them much of the time < 1397990744 727574 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't everyone feel that? < 1397990749 57000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought it might be nice if they were retractable < 1397990909 63480 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice < 1397991210 645385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know. Limbs are just there when one needs them. < 1397991276 233878 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, this ain't no MS Paint Adventure < 1397991287 688277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? retractable limbs? < 1397991311 454433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not usually conscious of them otherwise. < 1397991324 967132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in a very real sense, yes. < 1397991329 686791 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, I need to write up that esolang I made last night < 1397991351 499104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no... < 1397991352 848569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "real" is such a nice word ... < 1397991393 601028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Does it refer to reality or realization? People assume the former when often it's the latter.) < 1397991425 745668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, it of course always refers to Madrid's football team < 1397991464 713649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1397991494 564642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That team is another example of something that I'm not usually conscious about.) < 1397991985 902281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not conscious on hardware attached to you, work on reading system logs < 1397992054 600518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I read them recently to try to fix a network issue < 1397992064 876260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noticed a warning message, and then got Rosegarden working properly < 1397992149 433338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the problem was that Pulseaudio was trying to create a dotfile in Timidity's root-owned home directory; I gave it a Timidity-owned .config to put it in) < 1397992361 97629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: stupid underspecified logic puzzles. what do the liar or the truth-teller do if they cannot answer a question according to their truth attitude? E.g. what does the liar answer to "Is your answer to this question 'yes'?"? < 1397992415 140482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://www.xkcd.com/246/ < 1397992454 812440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "would you say that this is the exit" considered to be a tricky question? < 1397992481 325469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(subtle, yes, but common enough in english) < 1397992511 344003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice xkcd anyway < 1397992801 867098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, that's my favourite answer to the "solve the liar/truthteller puzzle without it sounding like a tricky question" < 1397992803 252335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Three exits and I guess you only get one question, and then self-referentiality becomes unavoidable. < 1397992821 112423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the more explicit, and still idiomatic, "if I asked you if this door leads to the exit, what would you say?" < 1397992878 120587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(self-referentiality being a reference to the question actually being asked, rather than a simpler, hypothetical question) < 1397992924 514859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if the three-door version is possible if you talk to a liar; it's clearly impossible with a true or false question, unless one of the options is to prevent them answering at all < 1397992985 162608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which brings me back to my complaint about underspecified logic puzzles. < 1397993008 443391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Obviously with just two answers, you cannot distinguish more than two possibilities. < 1397993013 652094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1397993030 489930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unless you circumvent the "two answers" requirement < 1397993041 980245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the complaint is about this one: http://ethicalwerewolf.blogspot.co.at/2011/02/puzzle-about-your-butt.html ) < 1397993152 847829 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a bit subtler, but it's easy to say that again, with just two answers, "yes" and "no", you cannot draw any conclusions in some cases, namely when the "random" rapper happens to give the opposite answer of the truthteller or liar. < 1397993174 310345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "easy to see" < 1397993262 500900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what? why? < 1397993268 539288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ask different questions from them < 1397993306 757316 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they are willing to collectively entertain exactly one yes-or-no question from you, to which they will each give an answer." < 1397993368 412907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but it wouldn't help, since the question you ask the random rapper does not affect her answer. < 1397993374 930375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but can't that one question depend on who answers, like if you'd ask "do you like my butt?" < 1397993393 930765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just ask something like "do you like my butt but not all butts?" < 1397993397 305846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's not random answers in general, it's just random if a particular butt is big or small. < 1397993406 687844 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1397993415 948415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "is it true that you don't like all butts but my butt is small?" < 1397993445 542500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah but does he lie or not? it doesn't say, so we can't know < 1397993471 440000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the third rapper didn't lie, but it's indeed not specified. < 1397993498 275802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1397993503 779010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you are right, it could be limited to preferences about butts. strange. < 1397993508 51204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicated < 1397993520 105935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds that to the list of unspecified details. < 1397993542 117186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that one is specified, it says "All the rappers know all other facts relevant to the situation, including everyone's identity and butt preferences." < 1397993576 8980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you may know, but you can't tell ) < 1397993588 483949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NB. the comments give a solution) < 1397993606 141062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but it says "they are willing to collectively entertain exactly one yes-or-no question from you, to which they will each give an answer" < 1397993611 662701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they will tell < 1397993665 68555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no". < 1397993669 516015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the two simpler ones will tell < 1397993939 804446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that does look like the intended answer. < 1397994527 59319 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1397995956 451232 :Tritonio1!~Thunderbi@93.190.140.191 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1397996092 122515 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@93.190.140.197 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397996883 177696 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@93.190.140.197 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397996992 136779 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@79.141.173.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1397998172 283870 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1397998323 151259 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1397999012 724846 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397999234 8976 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1397999259 753577 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1397999310 663829 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF900C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1397999310 941377 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF900C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1397999311 127314 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1398000544 565055 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398000553 750289 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398000827 495659 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1398002941 364800 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398003126 407940 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398003127 655774 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1398003573 699432 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398003614 388573 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you going to bayhac this year? < 1398004803 468001 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398004803 712606 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398005801 97662 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398006018 475587 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398006209 356681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I love C++ [...] because it is intuitive and very high-level." < 1398006309 469791 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398006344 921834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the omission change the meaning of the sentence? < 1398006358 875921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1398006451 713233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, the omission was "not because it is fast, but" < 1398007059 777942 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree with his definition of "very high-level" < 1398007076 202991 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or her definition < 1398007766 725770 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398007866 923998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the sentence was quoted on the basis that olsner expected pretty much everyone to disagree with it < 1398007976 782756 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398008268 675409 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1398008489 341794 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1398008520 758847 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398008663 467384 :MoALTz__!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398009021 505362 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398009225 173535 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed < 1398009294 895092 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398009539 580474 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1398010417 106696 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love C++ (not because it is fast, as it is not, but) because it is intuitive and very high-level (compared to motorola 68k assembly) < 1398010426 765711 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that agreement < 1398010491 566469 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker < 1398010499 378618 :lawspeaker!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1398010634 247536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love C++ because it can be very high level or very low level depending on how you're using it < 1398010813 12158 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Lost Vikings is tough. < 1398010887 957331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: read a walkthrough to know all the clevery hidden secret passages < 1398010900 690283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost Vikings is one of the few games I've beat completely. twice. < 1398010912 217185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm back on the spaceship, which should be the final set of levels.) < 1398010963 37979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Lost Vikings because it has a nice difficulty curve: the levels get progressively more and more difficult < 1398010993 558812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last level (MSTR) is the most difficult, the one before (4RN4) is the second most difficult, < 1398011010 527508 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: SLEEP < 1398011010 846594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even before then the levels get more and more difficult than they were < 1398011017 332925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some outliers. that triple jump on sinking platforms in the circus levels was really tough. < 1398011035 610045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the other stuff in those levels. at least for me :) < 1398011111 150768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collected all those wiki link graph statistics at http://zem.fi/2014-04-20-wikigraph plus added a quick and dirty shortest-path finder. < 1398011158 222965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's nice that there are such hidden passages that I didn't notice when first beating the game < 1398011165 676558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but found out about them from reading a faq later < 1398011213 735897 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the triple jump is in the TRDR level) < 1398011238 640743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember all the levels by heart, sorry < 1398011250 434639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it comes back when I play, but it's just too much to keep in my head < 1398011315 791967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I mentioned the code. So that, if you feel like it, you can check which level I meant. < 1398011341 820135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1398011591 644952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do that. I do have a working copy of vikings in dosbox set up afterall. (It doesn't run it bochs, it's too new a game for that.) < 1398011635 655294 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yaviubzxvrptinkc JOIN :#esoteric < 1398011786 908113 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nuculaway < 1398011973 401034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortest path search is p. boring because most paths are so short. :/ < 1398012006 629143 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :longest path search is NP-complete though. much more interesting. < 1398014147 965804 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398014631 472963 :nuculaway!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nucular < 1398015659 481852 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398015812 429935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, should've scrubbed (considered as aliases) those redirect pages, perhaps. The path from "Befunge" to "BrainFuck" is Befunge -> Brainfuck -> BrainDuino -> BrainFuck. < 1398016121 602668 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1398016395 715642 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398016587 65163 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398016876 634580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're playing that wiki maze game? < 1398017172 134184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, I'm just fiddling with some esolangs.org link statistics. < 1398017443 419696 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398017772 150572 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398018657 116863 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1398019199 378465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398019512 428125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love C++ because it's a hot mess < 1398019684 24855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you do any pagerank-type analysis < 1398019696 101220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the markov chain stationary distribution the same thing? < 1398019703 465292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's p. close, like the text says. < 1398019710 922628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i missed that < 1398019774 239313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I really like d3.js's force-directed graph visualization http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4062045 https://github.com/mbostock/d3/wiki/Force-Layout < 1398019781 228148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PageRank adds the damping factor thing, which you can interpret as a (page-independent) probability for stopping the random browsing, and the relevance then is the probability for stopping at a particular page. < 1398019802 793684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a couple force-directed layouts with Gephi on the graph, but they weren't especially interesting. < 1398019810 33763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If d3.js can do it, maybe I should add that too. < 1398019811 615471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1398019815 901702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i not know about gephi < 1398019846 315047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ergonomic interface: based on NetBeans UI" c.c < 1398019846 614854 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                         c.c.c < 1398019846 800783 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                          c.c < 1398019862 505030 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1398019869 666012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1398019910 210248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "Linux: 1. Update your distribution with the last official JRE packages (update 25+), don’t use OpenJDK." < 1398019920 274358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used OpenJDK; such a rebel. < 1398019947 954749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used d3.js for some of the irc log graph stuff, it's neato. (No GraphViz pun intended.) < 1398020015 395775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Les Misérables graph is like the Utah teapot or the Stanford bunny, I see. < 1398020104 831506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i didn't know that < 1398020128 531944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's used in all the Gephi tutorials too. < 1398021105 928940 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1398021580 644685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, I, uh... http://zem.fi/attach/2014-04-20-wikigraph/graph.html < 1398021615 20306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's supposed to be a thing that keeps it centered in the visible region, but it sure isn't working very well for me. < 1398021686 571480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie what have you done < 1398021693 631577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :your datamancy has gone too far < 1398021793 147130 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAH IT'S COMING RIGHT AT ME < 1398021866 58383 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://everything2.com/title/Quantum+Fingers < 1398021922 843514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks reasonably similar to my Gephi layouts, except those had some empty space around very central nodes automatically. < 1398022185 352807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is kind of scary if you manage to find a central node like Category:Implemented (they have tooltips that pop up; also I made the window bigger and increased gravity a bit) and then try dragging it. < 1398022216 288250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a pulsating medusa kind of thing. < 1398022654 954265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added colors according to namespace, maybe it looks more friendly now. < 1398023408 704112 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1398023852 648068 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1398023889 97315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also added the fanciest (and slowest) on-hover highlighting this side of [geographical feature]. < 1398023949 761229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd add text labels that are dynamically toggled visible/hidden on the same hover action except my poor processor would implode. < 1398024382 128325 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1398024827 398260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1398024910 238797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's pretty neat < 1398024966 287546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i made a d3.js graph and then turned it into a "find the planar embedding" game < 1398025085 990384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote some JS code to detect edges that cross and add a CSS class to them < 1398025109 959643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "wrote" I mean copied C code from Stack Overflow and turned it into JS < 1398025140 107437 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1398025182 536851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398025285 175900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ph < 1398025300 162352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc < 1398025302 839529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really you < 1398025305 707993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been so long < 1398025314 624669 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Isn’t that how all programming is done? < 1398025318 746604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1398025322 417379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack overflow oriented programming < 1398025335 74808 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, I never wrote up my esolang < 1398025364 203403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : why would you read lesswrong! <--- where else am i going to read about acausal sex?? < 1398025422 27954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could call it... CONCURRENTREE < 1398025422 438748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, read a book upside down or something! < 1398025456 966082 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :acausal? < 1398025468 20227 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. designing a new esolang? < 1398025476 541088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it's more or less defined < 1398025483 862313 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to touch it up a bit < 1398025490 863300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's annoyingly not turing-complete < 1398025495 668531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's linear-bounded < 1398025502 569432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Acausal_trade < 1398025569 920405 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1398025581 982401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus loves you acausally < 1398025588 420923 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not provably < 1398025590 495457 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooow. < 1398025607 182674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was the conclusion of one of the comments on http://lesswrong.com/lw/acy/acausal_romance/ ) < 1398025663 734772 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll stick to straightforward, illogical sex, thank you very much. < 1398025721 491988 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, illogical sex is the only sex I'll ever see < 1398025786 514114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to take back that message, it was funnier in my head < 1398025860 180203 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gently mapoles back illogical sex into Taneb's head < 1398026306 739134 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to prepare a half-hour intro to category theory talk at some point < 1398026583 428184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why does google say "This site may be hacked" in re gephi.org? < 1398026700 319502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There was a tweet about that. < 1398026716 673271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://twitter.com/Gephi/status/449088492266852352 "@mattwigway we've been hacked with some spammy links added in the code of the webpages. We'll fix it soon :)" < 1398026729 80534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A rather relaxed approach to security, there. < 1398026774 386570 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1398026786 151935 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting to think there's one advantage to closed-source software: If you need to distribute a fix, you can do so without as much worrying about what happens to the people who apply the fix slighly later < 1398026786 338294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The site runs on Wordpress, so... < 1398026812 573706 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: on the other hand, you think this is okay http://www.synacktiv.com/ressources/TCP32764_backdoor_again.pdf < 1398026813 473658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: releasing the fix means it'll probably be reverse-engineered < 1398026833 95453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sort of people who could exploit such a flaw if they knew what it was, could also determine what it was from observing a fix < 1398026866 478445 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True... but what if you regularly release fixes for both security and non-security issues without saying which was more important? < 1398026884 881388 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is horrible in other ways, but < 1398026945 104045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ;_; < 1398027035 226004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Release a patch every hour. < 1398027041 155054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatically generated if you have nothing to fix. < 1398027109 461228 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro strat, i like it < 1398027261 735193 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1398027282 107670 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1398027968 665880 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398028209 473266 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398028392 896759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read this yet but http://chriskohlhepp.wordpress.com/convergence-of-modern-cplusplus-and-lisp/ < 1398028611 209234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1398028762 653068 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1398028793 284962 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there are two programs, P and Q. P outputs an infinite list of programs: p_1, p_2, p_3, .... Q also outputs an infinite list of programs. < 1398028804 67544 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For every program that P outputs, Q outputs a program that behaves the same way, and vice versa. < 1398028824 434047 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Crab: < 1398028826 180390 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must there exist a program that, given a number n, finds a number m such that Q_m behaves the same way as P_n? < 1398028830 101999 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the diagonal glide symmetry and by simple inspection, the spaceship can easily be made to stretch two tub wicks simultaneously. Both cases are instances of a domino dragging a tub or chain of tubs. Be it noted that tub chains are also called barges, and that additional non-stretching variants are possible given synchronized eating at the far ends. < 1398028833 800236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398028850 332825 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never realized CA theory could sound so dirty. < 1398028915 265415 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 'wick' a cricket thing < 1398028928 755563 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know. < 1398028981 692828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: A wicket is, but I don't think a wick is, though it sounds like a logical contraction, so maybe it is. < 1398029007 17610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398029008 388267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All I know about cricket I learned from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.) < 1398029025 23455 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is making a distributed Game of Life implementation. < 1398029030 434550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good sentence to join the channel to < 1398029034 982358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, hashlife, i hope < 1398029044 184344 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 < 1398029056 210526 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's for a class project. I won't be able to do hashlife until after the due date for said project < 1398029061 558176 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I plan to implement it, using a distributed quadtree < 1398029115 215982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, a wick is the part of the candle that's not made of wax, I think < 1398029151 519847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's that, too, sure. < 1398029170 510706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "any piece of cord that conveys liquid by capillary action", to quote WordNet. < 1398029175 77562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oil lamps have wicks too. < 1398029177 173318 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically the class project is just "make a simple distributed system" but I decided to make it interesting for myself. < 1398029187 473626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the sense it's used here? < 1398029200 817433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's where you light the candle < 1398029214 186584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically not really, because you have to melt the wax too) < 1398029231 498863 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the wax melts and then gets conveyed by capillary action < 1398029238 677464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. I didn't look beyond the cricket comment. < 1398029300 911906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398029365 446356 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398029409 166894 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for the moment I'm only support life 1.05 file format for inputs due to time constraints, but later on I'll implement others. < 1398029432 360156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OED lists 12 separate senses for wick, including things like "a corner of the mouth or eye" ("now only dial.") and "a creek, inlet, or small bay" ("sc. and dial."). < 1398029519 551799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ȝiff þatt iss þatt ȝho iss all. Wittlaes. & wac. & wicke." < 1398029551 404738 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know off the top of their head whether or not Life has orthogonal spaceships of all rational speeds less than or equal to c/2? < 1398029552 552757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/Ormulum/ (Burchfield transcript), c1200, for the sense "wicked".) < 1398029555 943605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're playing game of life? I like that, I even have some crazy obfuscated code implementing it < 1398029635 723687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't think that's known < 1398029641 369457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1398029646 514133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Speed maybe < 1398029664 658133 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what size of pattern would even require distribution. Even the larger patterns run very efficiently with haslife. < 1398029672 392992 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on one machine < 1398029706 614807 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem suits itself well to distribution... so why not. :P < 1398029709 415826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398029899 738665 :boily!~alexandre@dsl-173-206-29-96.tor.primus.ca QUIT :Quit: FOOD < 1398030082 637686 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yaviubzxvrptinkc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1398030280 296694 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398030329 488886 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1398030647 114135 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1398030674 386080 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398030729 368390 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398030729 554544 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398030946 937088 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398031130 757280 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398031250 664094 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398031267 801400 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398031370 139641 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398031397 761979 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398031753 155049 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgokkhdqmreztzrp JOIN :#esoteric < 1398031848 534293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1398031912 281450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1398031912 950921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url < 1398031930 49950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-blood < 1398031930 249451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 14h 6m 3s ago: If we're going to be that fancy, I fixed `url to use os.path.abspath so that e.g. `url /bin/../hackenv/test works. < 1398031994 479982 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: bai < 1398032079 440995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1398032080 30957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1398032085 752543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -a < 1398032086 464209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. \ .. \ 98076 \ a \ app.sh \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dog \ etc \ factor \ fb \ fb.c \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ .hg \ .hg_archival.txt \ ibin \ index.html \ interps \ lib \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ Test \ Test.hi \ Test.hs \ UNPA \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1398032095 954702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls .hg < 1398032096 529561 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00changelog.i \ branch \ branchheads.cache \ cache \ dirstate \ last-message.txt \ requires \ store \ tags.cache \ undo.bookmarks \ undo.branch \ undo.desc \ undo.dirstate < 1398032111 267828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url .hg/00changelog.i < 1398032111 917203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/.hg/00changelog.i < 1398032148 616509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url .hg_archival.txt < 1398032149 281247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/.hg_archival.txt < 1398032154 62477 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat :-D < 1398032154 519836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☺ < 1398032192 794789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste /proc/mounts < 1398032194 761524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.23924 < 1398032226 825093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just realized there was an exception :P < 1398032427 425035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url .hg/ < 1398032428 140221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/.hg < 1398032431 17686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url .hg < 1398032431 679878 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/.hg < 1398032484 753342 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398032839 130262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '8c if re.match(r"/|\.hg(?:/|$)",f):' bin/url < 1398032840 487199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1398032865 896227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops stupid sed strips initial space < 1398032881 731640 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1398032897 61465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1398032898 438685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1398032939 509885 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398032946 160735 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am completely addicted to these < 1398032946 744079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Listerine-PocketPaks-Breath-Strips-Fresh/dp/B0054J2J5Q/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top < 1398032953 809086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '8s!.*! if re.match(r"/|\.hg(?:/|$)",f):!' bin/url < 1398032955 347739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1398032959 237498 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have them in my apartment, I am incapable of consuming less than one pack a day < 1398032984 975927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '8s!.*! if re.match(r"/|\\.hg(?:/|$)",f):!' bin/url < 1398032986 398225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1398033002 295524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url .hg/test < 1398033002 917438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1398033007 852003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1398033008 648286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url < 1398033016 769260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url .hg < 1398033017 578583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside hg repository. < 1398033047 46312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1398033166 881327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this makes the error message somewhat dubious :P < 1398033218 668022 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Staq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39381&oldid=35652 5* 0370.208.158.105 5* (-53) 10the stacks are double-ended < 1398033221 778116 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess Food < 1398033363 740344 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write a Tarpit interpreter < 1398033367 868110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, /hackenv/.hg is special. < 1398033625 286909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/hg repository/web-viewable filesystem repository/' bin/url < 1398033626 699794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1398033633 279288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url /fnord < 1398033634 2337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. < 1398034136 139947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you still all up in arms? < 1398034169 127538 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398034303 730644 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that {} feature of staq < 1398034338 55534 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be more awesome with 2 dimensions < 1398035023 481314 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Pointful = () + ((), ()) < 1398035027 113742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why? < 1398035044 614665 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did what looks like a fancy trick, apparently only to be able to write that. afaict < 1398035077 753882 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1398035104 403782 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/23jms9/more_points_for_your_very_numbers/ < 1398035459 461134 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.205.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398035467 893869 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1398035526 558928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what does 'big numbers' mean here < 1398035570 410342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly anything that would by default be displayed in scientific notation? < 1398035574 467985 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a guess < 1398035621 221422 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as 6.981×10⁻¹³ < 1398035631 939552 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not, showFFloat forces standard decimal notation < 1398035667 448704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/url < 1398035668 515775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/url < 1398036428 78641 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably anything over 7 digits is a "big number" < 1398036534 876302 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with the + in the Pointful type defintion. Is that a new thing? < 1398036588 277920 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just a hidden name < 1398036676 428822 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398036796 430830 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever wrote this doesn't seem to understand what UndecidableInstances is for < 1398036836 264575 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably wrote this line: instance Num (Chuwabra a b) => Fractional (Chuwabra a b) where < 1398036844 713891 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then GHC complained and said you need UndecidableInstances < 1398036848 567960 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so they added it < 1398036931 922449 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's a joke library, but that's no excuse for poorly written code! < 1398036953 962785 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you do to make it work? < 1398036996 13164 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Fractional (Chuwabra a b) where -- should work no? < 1398037299 404462 :boily!~alexandre@173.181.205.16 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1398037352 599904 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1398037641 86796 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398037867 4465 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398038433 734563 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398038489 484269 :Koen_!~Koen@mar75-2-81-57-225-162.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1398038763 951826 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398038764 137218 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398039211 928497 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is shred likely to work acceptably well on Cygwin? < 1398040689 74363 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not < 1398040697 331714 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm more concerned with malware than physical tampering < 1398040706 153903 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So should shred be sufficient for preventing THAT? < 1398040715 581838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From accessing my sensitive data? < 1398040789 654374 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1398040817 488700 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do like my parents, pour honey through your hard drives < 1398040854 253210 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no < 1398040903 876475 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1398040985 919313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do recursive shred < 1398041201 483907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398041278 914367 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://larvalsubjects.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/lets-talk-about-sets/ alright i give in. set theory is too mainstream. univalent foundations 4ever. just make it stop < 1398041287 665271 :nooodl__!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398041490 551727 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398042145 699276 :nooodl__!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be NICK :FoWr < 1398043781 421281 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1398044594 928028 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@79.141.173.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398046442 374861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Staq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39382&oldid=39381 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10That's not a stack. < 1398046706 757296 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean we have to rename the language? < 1398046742 787761 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1398046744 61834 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :deq < 1398046790 396500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "deckue" < 1398047002 180348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it is possible the q is from queue, i don't remember. < 1398047222 43566 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1398047319 335540 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398047648 585826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk was here? < 1398047679 782111 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they asked kmc about bayhac. < 1398047692 193614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1398047710 948025 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he comes by every now and then < 1398047720 703950 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you're not the dual of a pumpkin at all! < 1398047737 342162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's self-dual < 1398047781 271042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if edwardk made an esolang, who could program in it? < 1398047826 982704 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rqjneqx? < 1398047871 509943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who/what is rqjneqx? < 1398047897 502804 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13'd edwardk. < 1398047909 869629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IC < 1398048184 243132 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk < 1398049817 755549 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398051107 208060 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1398051471 630463 :FoWr!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1398052153 826883 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398052269 75664 :adu!~ajr@pool-108-28-107-114.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1398052910 885909 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398053581 897951 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398054928 57304 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398054942 462403 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398054962 451725 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398055221 369108 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1398055665 220102 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398056126 130281 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-154.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398056642 861264 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398058256 591842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange it is to be anything at all < 1398058281 9607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. strange imo < 1398058406 749780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1398058411 566760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1398058419 302610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you agree < 1398058542 856435 :not^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/DrFFzea.png < 1398058547 582772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make a bot that looks up things kmc says and posts information when they're lyrics < 1398058593 740347 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc himself turns out to be merely the entire lyrics of Louie Louie < 1398058620 870250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what do you think of vissarion belinsky < 1398058635 585745 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cool name" < 1398058645 32012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thx" < 1398058673 265060 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of him, i mean < 1398058683 23175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i understood < 1398058686 829124 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He hailed Fyodor Dostoyevsky's first novel, Poor Folk (1845), however, Dostoevsky soon thereafter broke with Belinsky" "Inspired by these ideas, which led to thinking about radical changes in society’s organization, Belinsky began to call himself a socialist starting in 1841" gosh i wonder if these are related...................... < 1398058756 135844 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should actually play agora < 1398058758 858997 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sweet < 1398058815 891158 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god calvinball is going to pass isn't it < 1398058821 651735 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wrong channel < 1398058894 569296 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Belinsky died of consumption on the eve of his arrest by the Tsar's police on account of his political views. In 1910, Russia celebrated the centenary of his birth with enthusiasm and appreciation." this article is just full of great juxtaposition < 1398058933 746255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that guy < 1398059000 604700 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't have thought 'arrested by the okhrana' is specific enough to clue you into an identity < 1398059017 78883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a character in the plays that shachaf and i saw together in berkeley < 1398059029 948772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coast_of_Utopia < 1398059053 738624 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that looks kind of nifty. < 1398059066 98556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very good < 1398059765 768179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we saw them all in a row, 7.5 hours of plays < 1398059848 289814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh selnikov that was the guy who got be a head in a jar i think < 1398059892 780896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*got to < 1398060448 682409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what about what'shisname < 1398060453 216644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alexander herzen < 1398060462 301223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know about all kinds of people right < 1398060485 89082 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never actually seen a people in its natural habitat. < 1398060717 312780 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1398060750 544042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never ever really met a normal person < 1398060941 443034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: make that bot stat twh < 1398061437 406175 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1398063085 946881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1398063903 264891 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1398063952 890727 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398063953 534702 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1398064106 718681 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398064117 749476 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1398064196 840954 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398064419 438619 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1398064526 834977 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398068498 859922 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398068525 135352 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398068525 419655 :realzies!~pinky@pool-74-108-116-26.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Changing host < 1398068525 604997 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1398072085 134611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398072682 744044 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgokkhdqmreztzrp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1398072902 158570 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398072932 131167 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398073589 38118 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1398074504 484592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:German14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39383 5* 0393.193.212.102 5* (+1038) 10Some suggestions for improvement < 1398075272 431342 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398075503 778431 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398075519 329013 :impomatic!~digital_w@39.123.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398076279 214051 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398077368 123033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mincross: pass 0 iter 1 trying 0 cur_cross 7723318 best_cross 7723318 < 1398077373 397718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of edge crossings. < 1398077387 821889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I asked GraphViz's dot to render the esograph.) < 1398077398 432064 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398077398 618074 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398077881 209977 :scoff!scoff@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-xxjhzfvrkxpxfwsk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398078186 790951 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit:   < 1398078495 192146 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF913BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1398078495 420698 :nucular!~MOO@p4FF913BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1398078495 420757 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1398079594 15447 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone really is suggesting stuff for german? < 1398080772 490711 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1398081678 357702 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: esograph? < 1398082102 348446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: esolang wiki pages and links between them < 1398082139 452598 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398082703 593310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah fizzie pasted this link recently: http://zem.fi/2014-04-20-wikigraph < 1398083143 698514 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1398084514 322288 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nuculaway < 1398084922 570120 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1398085016 857339 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398087291 142576 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398088948 404134 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1398088966 107896 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398089321 723931 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398089632 131187 :nuculaway!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular NICK :nucular < 1398089832 970332 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398089931 424318 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398090420 571860 :tswett!~tswett@107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398090420 930814 :tswett!~tswett@107.5.152.253 QUIT :Changing host < 1398090421 116595 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1398092268 434942 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool my space filling tree works. I gave it a 10x10 rectangle asking for 3 leaves, and it spat out 3 non-overlapping subrectangles that cover the starting rectangle. < 1398092439 689996 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really sure what the tree is, technically. Maybe implicit k-d tree? < 1398092471 225510 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, k is always 2 actually. so implicit 2-d tree < 1398093097 614490 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sjauvoszuqirahtg JOIN :#esoteric < 1398093262 973280 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glasses_800_edit.png < 1398093277 684187 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this took 23 days to render, apparently. < 1398093310 56801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More than 100 pages link to this file" time well spent, then. < 1398093317 115700 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine what video games would look like if we could render it in a few millisecond. < 1398093393 694642 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks obviously fake to me, like someone just grabbed a few wine glasses and photographed them < 1398093580 101927 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I wonder if I'll even need to use a 2-d tree to partition the game of life grid. < 1398093657 726878 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I'm using a naive implementation of GoL but later I will switch to Hashlife. I could very easily use the 2-d tree and just have each distributed node implement their own hashlife algorithm. However, I could also attempt to use a global quadtree and distribute that across worker nodes, but I'm not really sure how that would work. < 1398093898 71962 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1398093910 361299 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How distributed? < 1398094015 826744 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for the 2-d tree algorithm I just partition the grid into N subgrids, where N is the number of worker nodes. And then worker nodes communicate peer-to-peer to fetch boundary cells < 1398094045 785763 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how distributed quadtree would work, as I haven't studied hashlife enough to know how to distribute it. < 1398094069 852524 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashlife gets a bit tricky if block addresses are no longer unique. I suppose you can let them be unique per-node, and then merge copies later. < 1398094178 929951 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would honestly be sufficient to have each worker implement a local hashlife algorithm < 1398094253 51228 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will need to merge the local hash tables every now and then, otherwise I can't see any speedup from using multiple computers. < 1398094312 263384 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's not really any computational benefit. You could, however, represent patterns that consume extremely large quantities of memory. < 1398094442 556652 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can rearrange the algorithm to deal with high latency table lookups, you might be able to use a DHT < 1398094499 922070 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and cache frequently-used pieces locally, because pieces are immutable) < 1398094628 525747 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, now I want to waste time implementing this. < 1398094647 824768 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently wasting time implementing this. < 1398094676 543471 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's not really wasting time because the naive implementation I'm doing right now is for a class project. < 1398094710 145183 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the project isn't to specifically implement distributed GoL, it could be any kind of distributed system) < 1398094745 176270 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I finish that I'll probably work on the haslife implementation < 1398094825 644976 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking I can somehow adapt the 2-d tree to partition the quadtree, but I'm probably wrong about that. < 1398094833 890818 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hashlife is a pure functional algorithm, so it shouldn't be hard to transpose the steps < 1398094837 205405 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to study hashlife more. < 1398094910 30202 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual presentation is: to get the successor of each piece, lookup the successors of its sub-pieces in the hash table, then combine them and put the result in the hash table < 1398094931 349282 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :After transposing that, the hash table lookups can be streamed and latency shouldn't matter any more < 1398094940 220204 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1398095028 640158 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398095195 974717 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398095197 351313 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1398095229 687139 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see. that's quite clever < 1398095360 292006 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is also another fun and tricky part < 1398095366 242399 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distributed garbage collector < 1398095399 602553 :kallisti!~adam@h243.27.40.69.dynamic.ip.windstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even necessary? < 1398095493 873027 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can use reference counting... which is ridiculously slow even on a sequential computer < 1398095528 892754 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of the things I've been meaning to change in my hashlife code) < 1398095609 241696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:German14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39384&oldid=39383 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+53) 10unsigned < 1398095760 56579 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398096261 776403 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1398096576 801001 :jjestrel!zafirah@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PART :#esoteric < 1398096765 642150 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is reference counting slow? < 1398097008 314082 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The large number of read/writes may have something to do with it < 1398097502 35024 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398097502 296788 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Changing host < 1398097502 482846 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1398097861 546187 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398098097 135526 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398098454 690814 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Several conference proceedings have been infiltrated by fake submissions generated by the SCIgen computer program. Due to the fictional content the chapter “Developing Write-Back Caches and Information Retrieval Systems with EASEL” by “Mingqian Wang, Yingying Wang, Yueou Ren and Xi Zhao” has been retracted by the publisher» i love the future~ < 1398099272 614897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot's been running for four hours now, and based on the verbose outputs it's not more than maybe a third of the way done. < 1398099276 577193 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Decoupling a* Search from the UNIVAC Computer in the UNIVAC Computer " < 1398099313 863261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Methodology for the Simulation of the World Wide Web". Well, that sounds plausible. < 1398099319 546492 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many leading analysts would agree that, had it not been for pervasive configurations, the visualization of IPv4 might never have occurred. " this SCIgen is really something < 1398099504 49125 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't they have somebody at least looking at the sent-in papers < 1398099538 184015 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't catch a hand-made fake paper but at least randomly generated papers < 1398099818 701708 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398100053 498895 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fave is "802.11B considered harmful" < 1398100075 660831 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst bytes < 1398100080 450968 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing but 666's < 1398100164 487323 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A 2013 scientometrics paper demonstrated that at least 85 SCIgen papers have been published by IEEE" < 1398100168 930367 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on. Seriously? < 1398100185 399684 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're mostly conference proceedings < 1398100197 614327 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just quote that without linking to the paper < 1398100204 364966 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: :D < 1398100209 168023 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1398100238 555583 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a WP-Quote though < 1398100266 145530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot petition the lord with prayer < 1398100750 769309 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1398100984 168798 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Additional measures taken: An automatic SCIgen detection system is being integrated in Springer’s submission check system, and we will offer this system to our conference proceedings partners, who will be trained in its use." < 1398100991 226245 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is priceless < 1398101011 290290 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIgen arms race < 1398101164 435285 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1398101196 931019 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should try to write a genuine paper that conforms to the formal grammar generated by SCIgen < 1398101806 738153 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1398102513 540974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what do you think about newcomb's problem < 1398102629 638402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much into logic puzzles but it's cute < 1398102636 485219 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd take both, because a thousand dollars sounds pretty cool < 1398102708 349986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thousand dollars isn't cool < 1398102712 561952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's cool? a million dollars < 1398102791 971304 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a million dollars sounds pretty cool but if it's based on some televangelist's thinking i don't wanna deal < 1398102856 274919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like playing prisoner's dilemma with a simulated copy of yourself < 1398102908 275792 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for that i'd obviously not defect < 1398103057 411513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1398103065 22909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should take only the one box < 1398103116 109014 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess i would if i was pretty convinced the televangelist was accurate < 1398103240 552343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about televangelists < 1398103315 856180 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the predictor < 1398103345 436242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictor? i hardly know 'er! < 1398103370 108306 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying, if someone came along with this thing i'd be like lol yeah right < 1398103393 350660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be right that much of the time for the paradox to be paradoxical < 1398103401 44661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can just adjust the payoffs accordingly < 1398103442 372126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: what is your success rate playing omega? < 1398103499 766073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39385&oldid=37412 5* 0391.64.186.58 5* (+58) 10/* External resources */ < 1398103586 824073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kinnla 5* 10New user account < 1398103667 164967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could say that the right course of action is to make it as easy as possible for even a mediocre omega to predict that you will one-box < 1398103821 959078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like it's going to go into basilisks pretty fast, lol < 1398104007 449167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta watch out for basilisks < 1398104105 890805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want basilisks? because that's how you get basilisks < 1398104164 713426 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1398104214 770256 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398104655 826344 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1398104705 60606 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/how-to-solve-a-rubiks-cube,35827 this should explain me and this puzzle < 1398104742 8713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: just, like, conjugates hth < 1398104768 148430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, the biggest trick to solving a rubik's cube is a monad < 1398104853 122360 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monad is like a Rubik’s cube. < 1398104939 317719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad/burrito jokes are hereby banned < 1398104964 461406 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote time is like < 1398104964 972476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1398104971 150975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote time is more < 1398104971 708043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1398104973 226179 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1398104996 249818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1398105002 456089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine wasn't really a joke, though < 1398105051 200965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :though perhaps it ought to be banned anyway < 1398105200 794119 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that Minecraft modpacks form the arrows of a category < 1398105211 9162 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the arrows < 1398105214 425830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other things < 1398105249 272379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what doesn't < 1398105262 545948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1398105280 529923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 = {0,1,2,3,4,5,6} < 1398105329 225980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i'm apparently thinking of a "commutator" < 1398105454 759279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you know group actions etc. are just functors < 1398105482 50994 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not! < 1398105492 444880 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many things I don't know < 1398105503 375628 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, what a group action is, or how to actually make a curry < 1398105510 405718 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1398105511 264075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a fast curry < 1398105545 692020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a G-action is a functor : G -> Set hth < 1398105546 499748 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to a group action, I'm afraid < 1398105589 91334 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to phone and going away < 1398105589 356841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is fast curry a functor : fast -> curry? < 1398105610 251024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fast curry < 1398105613 54566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nigella.com/recipes/view/curry-in-a-hurry-11 < 1398105615 17589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: CURRY IN A HURRY | Recipes | Nigella Lawson < 1398105655 130617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, spj should've taken naming advice from nigella.com < 1398105677 120372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i guess the fast curry in question isn't necessarily fast to make, just fast after it's done < 1398105772 373641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that seems disappointingly not food < 1398105799 306567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things are < 1398105934 918368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1398105936 204515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptizudacoin gaxencoin truecoin alecoin salagecoin concoin m-codelcoin chrowcoin pinsonavocoin eplcoin resoncoin memfcoin beetcoin shencoin hintcoin gasoribericoin concoin slocoin brosievcoin pencoin < 1398105944 872753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non of those are food either < 1398105953 73130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even beetcoin? < 1398105963 207755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My emptizudacoin wallet's all empty. < 1398105989 823480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alecoin sounds like a foodcoin as well < 1398106003 22407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And concoin sounds like a thing that exists. < 1398106189 691334 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398106510 633707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you people happen to know, if something is shipped as "FedEx International Priority" with "FedEx Envelope" packaging, are they going to drop it in the mail slot, or insist that I should be present to receive it? < 1398106656 114335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm guesstimating they want a signature of some sort somehow.) < 1398106872 672937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :give them an ECDSA signature < 1398107072 687753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mail slot should have some sort of public-key cryptography support, so that I could give them its public key over the nets, and then when they're at the door, they'd use it to both verify the mail slot's identity, and get a signed proof-of-delivery statement out of it. < 1398107138 934283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be harder for the mail slot to check they delivered something sensible. < 1398107185 68406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that in the US it's illegal for FedEx or UPS to put stuff in people's mailboxes; they are regardes USPS property. < 1398107207 290320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course what they're delivering is a special piece of paper that doesn't really have any excuse for existing physically. < 1398107259 300468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39386&oldid=31682 5* 03Kinnla 5* (+331) 10/* List Constructor */ new section < 1398107673 611609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 In 2006, you wrote in Talk:Rail that car/cdr stand for "Content of {Address,Decrement} Register", while in reality they're derived from "Contents of the {Address,Decrement} part of Register X"; they're parts of a single 704 machine word, along with the prefix and tag parts. < 1398107673 846695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: either company can deliver to your local post office, however, who will gladly deposit it in your mailbox for you < 1398107673 846775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1398107773 444365 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398107782 472755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That recently announced Talk:Rail edit does not really look like a question. Or at least a question lacking an answer.) < 1398108083 382611 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-191.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1398108118 537774 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-191.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1398108118 723352 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1398108357 649510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rail14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39387&oldid=39385 5* 03Duerig 5* (+11) 10/* Built-in commands */ The list constructor should require a list/nil to build on. < 1398108429 482595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39388&oldid=39386 5* 03Duerig 5* (+260) 10/* List Constructor */ < 1398108803 565635 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39389&oldid=39388 5* 03Kinnla 5* (+481) 10/* Forth Notation of Type Signatures */ new section < 1398108831 677839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Decrement"? I thought it stood for "Data" < 1398108905 200871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/lisp/node2.html "The first problem was how to do list structure in the IBM 704. This computer has a 36 bit word, and two 15 bit parts, called the address and decrement, were distinguished by special instructions --" < 1398108921 380337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1398108952 639841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Citation: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/lisp/node2.html < 1398108952 825148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1398108964 273264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be reliable, it says "www-formal" right in the hostname. < 1398108969 908332 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398109185 664144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The IBM 704 had a 38-bit accumulator, a 36-bit multiplier quotient register, and three 15-bit index registers. The contents of the index registers were subtracted from the base address, so the index registers were also called "decrement registers". All three index registers could participate in an instruction: the 3-bit tag field in the instruction was a bit map specifying which of the ... < 1398109191 675233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... registers would participate in the operation. However, when more than one index register was selected, then their contents were or'ed – not added – together before the decrement took place." (Wikipedia) < 1398109196 81525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds p. strange. < 1398109316 282232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, dot has now spent 408 CPU-minutes, and still shows no signs of being done. < 1398109714 765751 :password2!~password@197.77.62.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398109779 465821 :password2!~password@197.77.62.255 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1398109946 456979 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1398109995 474114 :password2!~password@197.77.62.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398110070 138813 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-088-078-249-206.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398110090 264378 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bug985155.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8409733 Mother Fucking NOP Sled < 1398110098 366699 :Melvar!~melvar@88.78.249.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1398110628 972226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png hahaha oh my god < 1398110690 643904 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398110848 619143 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does mozilla even support "Some (old) Linux kernels on ARM" < 1398110869 354333 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, phones. Of course. < 1398110882 631577 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: one of the greatest graphs ever made. < 1398110887 738862 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The platform is still tagged "x86_64 Linux". < 1398111200 403821 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A former Intel official reported that the Itanium business had become profitable for Intel in late 2009." < 1398111419 554639 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric ::legacy: support < 1398111887 422210 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398112065 373364 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1398112100 730575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wtf! < 1398112139 619330 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1398112161 2139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Itanium. EPIC failure. < 1398112216 700111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/aɪˈteɪniəm/ I didn't know it's pronounced like that. < 1398112235 614997 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn titanium < 1398112238 204888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "titanium" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1398112238 415809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :titanium < 1398112238 415961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a light strong grey lustrous corrosion-resistant metallic < 1398112238 416064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : element used in strong lightweight alloys (as for airplane < 1398112238 416151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parts); the main sources are rutile and ilmenite [syn: < 1398112238 915552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : {titanium}, {Ti}, {atomic number 22}] < 1398112277 733788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/taɪˈteɪniəm/ oh, right, I guess it just drops the initial t. Makes sense. < 1398112301 257978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it ee-tanium, partly because I'm from Germany. < 1398112331 870040 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itan? < 1398112395 487038 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Transmeta like architectures left? Or any other VLIW survivors? < 1398112676 405710 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR-V but they seem to no longer be used for supercomputers < 1398112681 326236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some VLIW(-ish) DSPs, I think. < 1398112780 935806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. the TI TMS320C6x series, there's one of those in my phone. < 1398112935 143436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Wikipedia seems to be helpful for once. "Embedded VLIW products are available from several vendors, including the FR-V from Fujitsu, the BSP15/16 from Pixelworks, the ST231 from STMicroelectronics, the TriMedia from NXP, the CEVA-X DSP from CEVA, the Jazz DSP from Improv Systems, and Silicon Hive. The Texas Instruments TMS320 DSP line has evolved, in its C6xxx family, to look more like a VLIW, in contrast to the earlier... < 1398112941 119160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...C5xxx family." < 1398112990 362726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Outside embedded processing markets, Intel's Itanium IA-64 EPIC and Elbrus 2000 appear as the only examples of a widely used VLIW CPU architectures." < 1398112993 456693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also from said page.) < 1398113026 827226 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsps continue to be weird ass shit, i see < 1398113098 374539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSPs are special; they only run inner loops so code bloat (and corresponding hogging of a memory bus, and often they have separate code and data memory anyway) is less of an issue. < 1398113170 168911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they should mention GPUs, too. < 1398113176 137728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does mention GPUs. < 1398113190 266676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VLIWs also gained significant consumer penetration in the GPU market, though both Nvidia and AMD have since moved to RISC architectures in order to improve performance on non-graphics workloads." < 1398113191 477113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the failed Larrabee architecture aside) < 1398113252 770443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1398113283 482593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI C5x has a couple of specific "parallel" instructions, stuff like ST B, *AR4+0% || MPY *AR2+, B but that's not quite even LIW since, despite the fancy syntax, it's just a single "compound" instruction. < 1398113445 428687 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the kind of architecture used by GPUs? I use "SIMD for morons" but it's not very suitable for a polite setting < 1398113495 811569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, that does "write old value of B to memory pointed by AR4, then increment AR4 by AR0 except modulo some registers; meanwhile, compute the product of the value in memory at AR2 and the T register, store it as new value of B and post-increment AR2". < 1398113509 519747 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it for morons < 1398113783 997686 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be SIMD disguised as some kind of multithreading--because, as everyone knows, multithreading is simpler and less confusing < 1398113808 201487 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the proper name seems to be "stream processing" < 1398113818 870180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yosefk.com/blog/simd-simt-smt-parallelism-in-nvidia-gpus.html < 1398113820 444397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEANWHILE IN /R/BITCOIN: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23leue/sir_richard_branson_bitcoin_is_the_pioneer_of_a/cgyb3y3?context=3 < 1398113822 586307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not SIMD. < 1398113826 203771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :conspiraception < 1398113853 597031 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coinspiraception < 1398113866 983214 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realize the trolls and shills are just downvoting everything now. They don't want this sub to function at all, even if that means false flag attacking themselves. < 1398113900 280096 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lack of criticism of bitcoin is a conspiracy by bitcoin haters. < 1398113985 583810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin is actually a massive false-flag created by the nsa so they could practise their trolling < 1398114015 90262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what they WANT you to think!! < 1398114022 463460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what do you think of newcombe's problem < 1398114030 851776 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just what the conspiracy theorists want you to think < 1398114035 174523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newcomb's problem I mean >_< < 1398114051 410657 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: GPU acceleration for homespring < 1398114219 291586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, seems interesting, does it have anything to do with bitcoin or were you just thinking about it anyway < 1398114244 430076 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398114250 343947 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398114369 989145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter < 1398114449 492636 :password2!~password@197.77.62.255 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1398114766 456452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39390&oldid=39389 5* 03Kinnla 5* (+945) 10/* universal print */ new section < 1398115458 316317 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398115529 410131 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1398115537 459526 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398115925 978825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cynic.me/2014/04/18/why-rich-people-should-do-less-time-in-prison-than-poor-people/ ow ow ow why did i delve deeper into this blog < 1398115938 91716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1398115971 140519 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am kinda disapponted that none of the rail people are here < 1398116010 856754 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1398116012 372536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :faciatiocoin substrecoin haircoin indcoin barintcoin rfolucoin l332coin intercoin funacoin mkbl-lncoin tletcoin 6ixcoin breatumcoin woldcoin prishcoin estcoin ragencoin autioncomplingcoin codecoin ajlycoin < 1398116028 806311 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1332? < 1398116069 89009 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Yes," i think to myself, "From the title visible in the URL, I assume this will be an enlightening read, well worth my time I could be spending on video games." < 1398116091 319097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: spoiler: it's not that rich people should do less time in prison, it's that tax is theft! < 1398116096 869016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was kidding but this is actually the punchline to the post. < 1398116147 992400 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tax curve should be adjusted so that the 99% poorest people are below it < 1398116438 228784 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :progressive tax is punishing the rich for being rich, jafet < 1398116474 958646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :these mansions aren't going to buy themselves < 1398116495 898188 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mansions create jobs < 1398116797 855355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39391&oldid=39390 5* 03Myname 5* (+205) 10 < 1398116814 260573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prisons create jobs too < 1398116822 66366 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398117637 601196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's important to lock people up for owning a small amount of a plant < 1398117639 41833 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398117642 197967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1398117894 378739 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmchello. < 1398117910 553919 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I metaphorically hate you. < 1398117934 395011 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wahat < 1398117982 749269 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my legs hurt. first day of the year riding a bike. < 1398117991 138733 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i present you with an apology gift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAsPeY8BsQU < 1398118127 867968 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am... < 1398118131 998472 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel weird. < 1398118208 154627 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how is that a gift? < 1398118226 918111 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he's probably forgotten about his legs < 1398118262 227974 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM FINE" EVERYTHING IS FINE" ALL IS WELL" ALL HAIL FUNGOOOOOOOOOÓÓÓÓT¨¨¨ < 1398118275 522969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, I just installed gnome-terminal and the default color scheme is black on black < 1398118278 576432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love desktop linux < 1398118284 811759 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :D < 1398118296 180347 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a tiny little bit like irony < 1398118300 519635 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, I never managed to get that one. < 1398118372 702496 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the bob dylan color scheme < 1398118385 911491 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what is a bob dylan colour scheme? < 1398118393 878222 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quinthellopia. < 1398118453 211696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer, boily, is blowing in the wind < 1398118577 91482 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKÉ < 1398118625 235899 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1398118670 577391 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't like the bob dylan color scheme, I guess you'll just need to go with amy winehouse. < 1398118761 874335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a red terminal and i want it painted black < 1398118877 881240 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1398118897 84146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least black on black is easy on the eyes < 1398119066 840085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe they were inspired by the peril sensitive sunglasses from the Hitchhiker's trilogy?) < 1398119112 437675 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398119381 353626 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1398119635 549518 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I just saw someone send a message before entering the channel. < 1398119659 167513 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of network setup even allows that. < 1398119765 184883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Two ideas: a) a client might delay displaying joins to be able to combine several of them into a single line < 1398119772 927502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) a channel might not have +n set. < 1398119929 377141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I agree; messages related to the same client /should/ not be transmitted out of order by an IRC network, which classically had an acyclic graph topology. < 1398119931 211835 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think +n is default on freenode < 1398119943 688766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is that true for Freenode? < 1398119951 77742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The topology thing) < 1398120019 495122 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be some weird network load balancing thing. < 1398120021 737098 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is freenode's topology? < 1398120022 339252 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, i would say to you that thanks to a deeper level of cooperation and not, therefore, undeniable that parliament is entitled to their say and to be handled under the commission's aegis. < 1398120050 410583 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's an ægis? < 1398120050 856877 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this is a transitional period, the epidemiology of rabies in cats and dogs from nearly 500 in 1991 to just 5 in 1998. a systematic survey of the situation. < 1398120081 203689 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh. so a deeply cooperative topology over a transitional period. poor cats and dogs, but if IRC is a stake, then so be it. < 1398120081 822442 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i wish to begin by congratulating the rapporteur, mrs fnord buitenweg, is basically supporting israel's barbaric behaviour. i can see, however, since, for example in the case of mr kostas kastanias and other people who are now to be reduced significantly. that, of course, enforcement of measures is a great mistake to confuse the two. < 1398120126 380331 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ah. lets unleash the SPCA on the vile Mrs. Fnord Buitenweg, for applying cruel measures to network communication! < 1398120126 870292 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, this is an intolerable situation! he must either resign or tell us who does what, and can be adhered to in all places where the citizens of europe and beyond in the coming years for precisely this reason that this parliament will see fit to accept it. < 1398120132 165652 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Bike: i have given the newcomb's problem question (with $1 and 1¢) to people twice and predicted them correctly both times < 1398120451 223385 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what were the resutls < 1398120495 513053 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a client might delay displaying joins to be able to combine several of them into a single line <-- you know, this would actually be kind of nice, but just in the rendering < 1398120500 56463 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them one-boxed and got $1, one of them two-boxed and got 1¢ < 1398120508 989081 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah heh. < 1398120540 509638 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course many people in my reference class consider 1¢ to be of zero or negative value < 1398120560 994295 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should apply for a bigger grant < 1398120563 436779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: what is your prediction for me < 1398120568 922313 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.americanladderinstitute.org/Standards.aspx only $200 < 1398120569 834449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i people in my reference prototype < 1398120587 438256 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reference iframe < 1398120587 809590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! What a nice problem. < 1398120589 536326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: where's that comic about ladders < 1398120620 972624 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://unnecessaryinsufficient.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/ladder/ this one? < 1398120640 939088 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good punchline < 1398120757 826084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The concept of an accurate predictor is ... interesting.) < 1398120773 500256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1398120780 186613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be that good though < 1398120797 970359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and our entire civilization is based on agents imperfectly predicting each other < 1398120821 35007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm SCIgen is like a CAPTCHA for science journals :P < 1398120838 443258 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the problem change if the test subject knows that you base your predictions on what the previous test subjects picked < 1398120839 253502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: so is there empirical evidence that following acausal decision theory in real-world situations produces better outcomes? < 1398121012 851955 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a pretty good one, evidently < 1398121014 426667 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1398121178 399503 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you reminded me of my Duty. thørjan. < 1398121206 129620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i remind you of your duty simply by existing < 1398121224 15523 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398121332 812797 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, few fake journals were even trying to defeat this captcha < 1398121390 168673 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you'd be the knot in my handkerchief if I had one. < 1398121403 725992 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some will implement automated checks for scigen papers now < 1398121518 24802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: eww < 1398121583 588923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: that was discussed in the logs < 1398121591 338902 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1398121600 630061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently springer is introducing one < 1398121665 911839 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if I had a nice silken handkerchief, I'd keep it extra clean. probably put some shiny brocade on it. with my initials, in a nice blackletter font. < 1398121683 971206 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398121693 678957 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of a hankerchief if you keep it extra clean < 1398121697 566754 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.springer.com/about+springer/media/statements?SGWID=0-1760813-6-1460747-0 "An automatic SCIgen detection system is being integrated in Springer’s submission check system, and we will offer this system to our conference proceedings partners, who will be trained in its use." < 1398121700 964967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with lexande < 1398121779 337656 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: decoration, class, just for having something silky on you... < 1398121793 15562 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you never know, it may save the day one time! just like regexpes!) < 1398121807 602721 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: handkerchiefs go in your pocket < 1398121816 427470 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1398121816 617905 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are using them to make something else less dirty < 1398121842 626863 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexpes save my day all the time < 1398121844 795484 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, with very high-class tuxedoes, that thing in the breast pocket? < 1398121851 632871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke regexps every day < 1398121857 443163 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :their banach-tarski nature notwithstanding < 1398122243 748071 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398122368 309117 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BANANANACH TARSKI < 1398122510 857810 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398122559 745340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398122629 760072 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398122746 462143 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398122867 834609 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1398123029 589217 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398123386 624689 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398123893 741362 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398123935 591099 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398123974 487051 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1398125855 541763 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398125939 413872 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1398126125 551534 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398126325 792162 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398126664 520927 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23m2rw/how_to_go_about_buying_somewhat_large_number_of/ < 1398126724 460918 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398126724 646475 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398126816 97405 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1398126902 593634 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398127121 485641 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1398128235 412023 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398128248 713953 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398129516 923097 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-158-193.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398130909 64821 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-86.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1398130942 369032 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-86.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1398130942 554795 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1398130966 119859 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1398131010 956656 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=PPSSSVZITVPZDR "Optimized as a Scrypt miner, Coin Miner and GPU Server" < 1398131106 8708 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OUT OF STOCK." < 1398131162 566120 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The system is not limited to mining only Litecoin. It can also mine Peercoin, Namecoin, Primecoin, Dogecoin, and even Bitcoin. < 1398131407 685455 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1398131530 506426 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398131654 350403 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398132593 531690 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398133754 810485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39392&oldid=39391 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+135) 10unsigned deluge < 1398133931 529490 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398133958 807004 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Rail14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39393&oldid=39392 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10How did you manage to get the date wrong? < 1398133976 212210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW < 1398134345 541334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39394&oldid=39199 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+74) 10 < 1398134563 667810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie I am somewhat disturbed by the wiki apparently now adding signature dates in EDT timezone... < 1398134563 891628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1398134582 872171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doesn't explain what happened to myname though < 1398134636 831001 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398134939 866323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date -u < 1398134940 636931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue Apr 22 02:48:55 UTC 2014 < 1398135070 237098 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398135143 637074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell myname ok i have you under suspicion of mangling the times on your talk post signatures tdnh < 1398135143 822914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1398135184 617989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:MarioLANG&diff=prev&oldid=37550 does _not_ have the timezone difference in the right direction. < 1398135223 435978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly he only ever made two signatures. < 1398135624 742273 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I a horrible person for suggesting a show implementation that differs from gshow? < 1398135625 127496 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/23hcu2/is_there_a_way_to_modify_the_default/cgynogf < 1398135781 45168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just out of all proportion hth < 1398135892 514727 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adolf 'a show implementation' hitler < 1398135941 740939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did it all for show < 1398135963 417906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about on a scale from 'completely ok' to 'writing a Typeable instance manually' < 1398136024 863722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think writing a Typeable instance manually has recently become impossible, hasn't it? < 1398136072 326697 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1398136074 204884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just wishful thinking. < 1398136189 627483 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1398136399 689331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone who has written show instances over newtypes to make strings show up as raw characters, and matrices as 2d tables, i may not be qualified to judge. < 1398136415 196657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this was only to make some things more convenient in ghci. < 1398136478 252932 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so much worried about the custom show instance as having the custom show instance disagree with the GShow instance < 1398136509 834787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i may not know what GShow is. < 1398136519 750283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A version of Show that uses GHC.Generics < 1398136564 679155 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/generic-deriving-1.6.3/docs/Generics-Deriving-Show.html < 1398136598 206202 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err why is it using OverlappingInstances < 1398136707 359545 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398137211 754957 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generics have an interesting property... they tend to define a default function, and even in the class that you can normally instantiate without definition, you still can provide a definition based on that default function, assuming it's exported < 1398137414 632947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb congrats on your gsoc project (and good luck) < 1398137414 818327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1398137583 811815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1398137756 658869 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sad that I never did gsoc < 1398137824 763590 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun < 1398138020 315554 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398138763 5083 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398138763 279077 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398139093 720988 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3 < 1398139249 89021 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook scared me for a second when the top of the email list suddenly said Yesterday < 1398139423 338487 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1398140099 192609 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1398140179 820624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are some (narrow) circumstances where running a program in valgrind makes it easier to exploit < 1398140197 818817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because valgrind supports these "client requests" which allow the program to ask valgrind to do various things < 1398140307 7361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't turn those off? < 1398140366 780669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see a way < 1398140538 109127 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398141079 310115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone other than SQLite making people, would want to be able to specify order of triggers being fired in SQL? < 1398141365 15464 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398141384 561049 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398141419 517247 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398141674 515939 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398141687 711921 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1398142054 989698 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398142583 998692 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398142676 127866 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth JOIN :#esoteric < 1398142696 492249 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1398142767 427040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1398142999 194659 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398143021 372471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Must be a side effect of the upgrade. What did it used to do? < 1398143039 375057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC < 1398143104 956520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that seems like the second most reasonable thing to do. < 1398143115 768193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :second? < 1398143121 304847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the first then. < 1398143124 4471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most reasonable thing would, of course, be Swatch Internet Time. < 1398143129 909025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaah. < 1398143272 947874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be back in UTC now. < 1398143298 396301 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know php has a time format for swatch beats < 1398143384 86596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I knew that. < 1398143452 870840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so this could actually be done. < 1398143472 700133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: i see you have joined us for reasons of evil, then. < 1398143553 129119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or are you a returned old regular in thin disguise? those happen.) < 1398143602 987711 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just saw mention of the channel on esolangs.org < 1398143611 50547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1398143652 31329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was this || close to advertising the #esoteric recent-change notifications there. < 1398143656 876533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you are hagb4rd YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE WITH YOUR CLOAK. if not, disregard this message.) < 1398143686 795890 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1398143724 528436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Welcome a new friend, will you. < 1398143725 103201 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, it is therefore in agreement with the government's suggestion that the proposals of the irish stability programme. in the case of australia it is a pity that the report from the committee, on which i have mentioned, i do not. < 1398143789 919252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good style for welcoming, that. < 1398143918 689513 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398143997 496049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hail to the thief < 1398143998 347426 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: madam president, i welcome this but to avoid the problems of the on board diagnostic systems, there is still an anathema justifying the present reign of terror. there is currently a democratically elected president of sierra leone, when they took into account likely developments up until the end of 2001 so there is certainly confusion about definitions within the directives and the instrument for cultural diversity in euro < 1398144045 184003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should add the Enron Corpus to fungot < 1398144045 847388 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mr president, mr president-in-office of the council with a view to ensuring the economic and social committee ( sec(1999) 414 c50008/ 1999 1999/ fnord and ii. on the question of the natural environment, much of the council and take over these matters, in other words assists producers to continue with their prohibitionist policies. i would also like to thank parliament as a political message to the people. < 1398144047 870859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1398144048 56591 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1398144050 726499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait!! < 1398144053 790397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron < 1398144053 976414 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) < 1398144061 11671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think about that! < 1398144061 353500 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: could we schedule more rate cuts tied to any specific points. < 1398144084 161366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it buy low, sell high or the other way around? i can never remember < 1398144084 348033 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: plan that the commission: " a registration happy to do that. < 1398144103 907818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy sober, sell high < 1398144618 996600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's not been very well-sanitized w.r.t. unwrapping lines back to paragraphs, and maybe the training parameters were not quite fungot-optimal either. < 1398144619 182372 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: from the week on the key. < 1398144666 674194 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1398144666 859749 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1398144673 504383 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, entrain me < 1398144673 690052 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: that game was bashing crackheads in the description! it's when the music is best super bowl? < 1398144696 910436 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube comments are the best forum for intellectual discussion < 1398144725 31417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's comments from somewhere around three videos, so it's a bit repetitive. < 1398144733 109440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The data was contributed by someone else.) < 1398144733 294997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pretty sure you're hagb4rd. < 1398144765 609585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses fowled again < 1398144835 246010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do you think of newcomb's problem? < 1398144839 489173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of newcomb's problem? < 1398144839 675345 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no it wasn't. can you clarify us why you assume i like < 1398144996 750930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I read the Wikipedia article about it when you were asking around yesterday, but for some reason did not form any kind of coherent opinion on the subject. < 1398145783 764644 :password2!~password@197.78.144.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398145882 770958 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sjauvoszuqirahtg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1398147518 682433 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1398147573 564715 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1398147628 84774 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1398148098 629584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1398149066 14209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, (based on the tracking page) FedEx guy had been at my door maybe 15 minutes after I had left. Of course. < 1398149219 775773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On some TV show they said that, in the 9/11 explosion, the government refused to investigate to find explosive in the building. I don't know where they got that information, but if it is true, then probably they are trying to hide something. < 1398149250 955613 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1398149377 860993 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NIST did not test for explosive compound residue in steel samples, stating the potential for inconclusive results, and noting that similar compounds would have been present during construction of the towers." < 1398149386 779001 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they've been infilitrated < 1398149427 502117 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows what they did or didnt test for, everything was under wraps < 1398149468 652519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual_EC_DRGB was an inside job? < 1398149529 430789 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone actually ever met anyone from wisconsin because i'm pretty sure it's not real < 1398149766 414389 :fowl!~fowl@unaffiliated/fowlmouth PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, ive been "there" but its possible everybody in the town was playing a joke on me < 1398150846 777350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo bielefeld < 1398150861 238587 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1398151336 579365 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1398151678 797203 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1398151798 477088 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398152330 982464 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398152332 259853 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1398152928 610639 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1398153047 324070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slelloreah < 1398153678 794374 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398153678 979823 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1398153678 979885 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1398154229 203893 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Quit: Tritonio < 1398154274 502919 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398155059 457479 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep < 1398155294 488406 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398155313 734617 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398155314 41374 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1398155431 972208 :password2!~password@197.78.144.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398157284 368078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run [(m*m-n*n,2*m*n,m*m+n*n)|m<-[1..],n<-[1..m],odd m/=odd n,gcd m n==1] < 1398157288 212163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(3,4,5),(5,12,13),(15,8,17),(7,24,25),(21,20,29),(9,40,41),(35,12,37),(11,6... < 1398158378 468086 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398158396 480569 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398159609 876005 :scoff!scoff@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-zexfufchbhsxblub JOIN :#esoteric < 1398159864 547627 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398160052 48171 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398160054 752049 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1398160937 632617 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1398160967 731207 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398161276 17764 :ejls_!~ejls@ejls.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1398161287 584220 :ejls!~ejls@ejls.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398161597 733173 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398163389 675737 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1398163827 720914 :ejls_!~ejls@ejls.fr NICK :ejls < 1398164487 848214 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ________________ < 1398166302 403133 :idris-ircslave!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-158-193.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398166435 945731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. the @faq social experiment is showing first results. " int-e: is lambda bot heavily loaded lately? @faq is acting funny, and some of edward's lens golf hit mueval limit exceeded on tiny examples" < 1398166487 235619 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll have an eye on the load now. Since lambdabot is running inside a VM I can only assess it indirectly.) < 1398168252 476563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Maximaman 5* 10New user account < 1398168476 63570 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398168746 456180 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398169012 422452 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E867.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1398169012 742694 :nucular!~MOO@p4FC7E867.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Changing host < 1398169012 928135 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular JOIN :#esoteric < 1398169268 222826 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1398169318 995938 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398169339 761893 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398169542 743889 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1398169866 41684 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398169878 332180 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398170082 151942 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398170413 319610 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398170522 764863 :Tritonio!~Thunderbi@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398170587 130813 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398170598 647351 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398171137 707143 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1398171413 455789 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398171737 123248 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398172514 242274 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1398173163 988381 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398173467 861453 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1398174022 11204 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398174198 797185 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1398174536 877126 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398174880 877027 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398175070 395663 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398176674 95475 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1398176769 43233 :xpte!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gabzvcttjcvwctht JOIN :#esoteric < 1398176834 820146 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398177018 341447 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398177467 950276 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1398177486 486458 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398177486 672830 :tswett!~tswett@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host < 1398177486 672907 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1398177628 478409 :password2!~password@197.78.147.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398177649 553258 :password2!~password@197.78.147.89 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1398177738 507332 :password2!~password@197.78.147.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398177825 692410 :password2!~password@197.78.147.89 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1398177860 154390 :password2!~password@197.78.147.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398178172 803316 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~stud-heco@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PART :#esoteric < 1398178488 543809 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398178709 664275 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398178787 793793 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398179431 897986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hsamsniarb14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39395 5* 03188.67.13.130 5* (+1032) 10Created page with "Hsamsniarb is a joke programming language you can't even create a "Hello, World!" program in. (Hsamsniarb is Brainsmash backwards.) == Interpreters == The only current interp..." < 1398179956 184811 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1398180158 647904 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1398180314 476896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DcJO <- that was supposed to be a 3 TB disk. < 1398180328 630504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the "WD30" stands for and all. < 1398180442 363199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe you need USB 3 < 1398180462 958048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for XHCI? < 1398180645 135460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no USB 3 support in the disk enclosure. < 1398180661 86662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, #esoteric told me 3 TB disks are no problem. < 1398180907 544255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sharkoon.com/?q=en/node/1228 "Max. HDD capacity 2TB" < 1398180913 960663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't've trusted #esoteric, I see. < 1398181207 308576 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398181382 526525 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398181473 664364 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1398181634 11916 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1398181635 373103 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1398182117 868871 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1398182135 555537 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398182465 273813 :slereah!~slereah@46.218.232.202 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398182755 353190 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1398182818 147067 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1398183002 314959 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4575eb51.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398183012 920034 :password2!~password@197.78.147.89 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1398183380 524014 :tertu3!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398184751 549334 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398184939 128166 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Client Quit < 1398185248 356344 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398185473 677980 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trick Question: Is a a=(a)a; legal C code? < 1398185491 759364 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no macros in place < 1398185526 332759 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398185650 636083 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say no, but I'm probably wrong < 1398185654 842891 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going with yes < 1398185768 711289 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1398185771 299801 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think so < 1398185778 519518 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is legal with a typedef < 1398185794 469296 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought types and values shared a namespace, and it'd error or something < 1398185810 966276 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You can't define int int < 1398185817 82150 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cane define typedef int a; a a < 1398185819 441473 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can < 1398185842 268102 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1398185846 98714 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let me check again < 1398185846 283900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see how the (a)a part is legal. < 1398185855 398414 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1398185863 218892 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1398185866 268006 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a a=a*a is legal < 1398185870 739941 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a a=(a)a isn't < 1398185882 286692 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I messed up. Sorry :( < 1398185896 75944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because the scope of the variable "a" starts at the end of the declarator, and is therefore visible in the initializer. < 1398185914 651776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think "a a=a*a" might be undefined behaviour, due to arithmetic on an uninitialized value. < 1398185931 4197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least potentially undefined if the type has trap representations, or w/ever. < 1398185987 196722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You also can't write { typedef int a; a a = 0; } so that they're in the same scope; the typedef needs to be outside the block.) < 1398185989 939922 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's undefined probably < 1398185999 494715 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can go for a a=10;return a*a; < 1398186055 451407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if a is a struct rather than a typedef? < 1398186075 699776 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you typedef it, it would be referred to as struct a < 1398186091 44751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Struct, union and enum tags are in a different namespace than ordinary identifiers. < 1398186093 174194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK < 1398186113 357197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ lets you refer to "struct a" as plain "a", though. < 1398186204 29753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beaky showed up in ##crypto < 1398186564 642369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall seeing some C code that does typedef struct { ... } foo, *fooPtr; < 1398186573 749920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if for some reason you want to write fooPtr instead of *foo < 1398186586 429336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this confused me greatly because I was a wee lad and did not yet understand C's fucked up declaration syntax < 1398186597 743296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's crazy-common. < 1398186612 473593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe copied from the Windows API? < 1398186628 382770 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why people typedef pointers < 1398186631 615412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's full of typedef ... FOO, *PFOO, *LPFOO kind of stuff. < 1398186632 950122 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just stupid < 1398186640 678372 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't see it's a pointer anymore < 1398186649 598087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're unable to see the letter "P", sure < 1398186663 602318 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1398186671 169065 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is PAIR then a pointer to AIR? < 1398186677 587919 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a regular PAIR struct? < 1398186748 611849 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1398186749 33941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't deal with that insignificant ambiguity I have no idea how you manage to use natural language < 1398186755 174521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay, P_AIR then < 1398186789 358942 :MoALTz!~no@user-109-243-247-192.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1398186950 906725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use the thing that's unambiguous and already part of the language < 1398187147 917158 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's almost a legacy, since it is partially attributed to the near/far divide of pointers in the Win16 era < 1398187336 176492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Drive command "Execute SMART Extended self-test routine immediately in off-line mode" successful. Testing has begun. Please wait 395 minutes for test to complete." < 1398187339 162156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a long test. < 1398187374 705762 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta be sure. < 1398187446 853095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The disk works in this other USB dock I had, so I guess I'll just replace the old box with a more modern box.) < 1398187610 110192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a simple way to cause a program to wait for completion of SMART tests? Once I modified a Python program to add these test (and other changes, too), but I had to hard-code in the amount to wait. < 1398187668 965784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only way to know when it's done is to poll the drive. (The drive reports a "recommended polling time", too.) < 1398188198 572024 :password2!~password@197.78.147.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398188227 881311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you do that? < 1398188428 58281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how you do it programmatically. With the "smartctl" tool, I guess one way would be to keep watching the self-test log for changes. There was something in the documentation about disks being different on whether they list the current self-test status in the "capability" command.) < 1398188450 458963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their results are reported in the Self Test Error Log, readable with the ´-l selftest´ option. Note that on some disks the progress of the self-test can be monitored by watching this log during the self-test; with other disks use the ´-c´ option to monitor progress." < 1398188544 194230 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1398188674 50744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is OK for the C interface for Text Adventure Intermediate Language? http://sprunge.us/XWgX < 1398189992 309570 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is 'you'? < 1398190062 379409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAIL? < 1398190104 9760 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why does I_QUIT come first... < 1398190543 668135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why is there a taillib_open/_close pair rather than a Game *taillib_read(FILE *)? < 1398190704 474578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I_QUIT comes first just because it is numbered zero. < 1398190733 359729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, the question about I_QUIT wasn't a serious question. < 1398190746 851879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason there is _open and _close is that the _close will free any memory allocating by the _open function. < 1398190763 442336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds more like an _free to me. < 1398190829 704736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can read/write at the current position in the file, so the same file can contain other things too (such as pictures, debug information, etc) if you want to do that. < 1398190897 572441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd see that as an argument in favour of calling _open _read instead. < 1398190921 678674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Read one game description"; it seems that in principle you could have several.) < 1398190943 900421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call taillib_open(stdin) too if you want to. < 1398190997 131833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even more reason to call it _read. < 1398191003 163023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for your suggestion though; I could rename them, then. < 1398191039 780392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the interface looks reasonable at a glance, and I'm not going to think about it in detail, i.e. from an actual game creation or execution perspective. < 1398191104 635182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1398191170 203860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also intend to have a Haskell interface and a SQL interface available. Would you have idea about this, and/or do you like to have the interface for other programming language too? < 1398191342 878115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One thought perhaps, since I had it while going over the interface: If I were using a library to create game code, I'd appreciate some builder interface for sequences of instructions where I can add them sequentially, possibly with some support for labels. I guess a similar point can be made for the Text/Property/Object/Verb/Noun/Phrase arrays in the Game struct itself.) < 1398191520 445396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it would help. Just after I posted the file I forgot that I didn't add the unsigned short taillib_encode_jump(int pos,int dst) function into the header file yet; but then I did, and that is used for encoding branch targets. < 1398191590 523050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could add a function for appending an instruction, if that would help. < 1398191628 765022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If doing in SQL and in Haskell, this appending is done more easily without a function call, but in a C code probably it would help to have such a thing. OK I can add it on < 1398192145 158493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nobody knows the wreck of the soul the way you do < 1398192145 344562 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: muito bom! shocking. but most of the plane wasn't remote-controlled; if you don't even bother. jaybedwell perfectly knows what they called the map but it really doesn't look too good < 1398192214 457927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1398192691 710948 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx QUIT :Quit: vravn goes < 1398192970 196020 :vravn!~vravn@syn.rook.sx JOIN :#esoteric < 1398192996 608821 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1398193383 62534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1398193383 287752 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube* < 1398193397 37329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've guessed from the plane. < 1398193687 503466 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1398193687 732642 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1398193699 351823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Meow < 1398193699 858684 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ' it's a trick. the wish is trying to learn fnord' he murmured, as he struck. ' you did well there," said granny < 1398193785 96081 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done fungot < 1398193785 325015 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: " so it's back to the suffering head waiter. ' same again, mister.' < 1398194099 516021 :password2!~password@197.78.147.89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398194845 534402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1398195726 855709 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Switching to phone (forced) < 1398196808 125502 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398198052 337803 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1398199194 609013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing a memory error detector is kind of fun: https://github.com/kmcallister/vgrs/blob/master/test/memcheck.rs < 1398199198 667849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of working around optimizations < 1398199233 798989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the entire program is UB, of course < 1398199241 521936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UB? < 1398199250 4389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined behavior < 1398199255 924147 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1398199265 213729 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I could think of was "Utter Bullshit" < 1398199444 941657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1398199449 313699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the same < 1398199456 1800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might start using that :) < 1398199492 915372 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait does rust have a definition < 1398199561 220143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make a working C program entirely out of UB? < 1398199562 778238 :tswett!~tswett@35.40.142.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1398199563 13820 :tswett!~tswett@35.40.142.220 QUIT :Changing host < 1398199563 199385 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1398199579 635676 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a working gcc program, perhaps < 1398199632 972249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/master/rust.html < 1398199638 911848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems trivial, but then again lots of stuff actually *is* defined, and you can't use any of it < 1398199644 642663 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1398199933 499921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I meant something more like working in most/some C compilers but completely outside C the language ... technically it probably wouldn't be a C program at all < 1398199965 323817 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://flossgold.tumblr.com/ < 1398200067 893645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those all from http://opensslrampage.org/ < 1398200100 117004 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it < 1398200366 671311 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1398200590 324 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/FNeda0KY i am afraid < 1398200838 338525 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-29-210.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398201013 258712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of openssl, http://www.libressl.org/ got a nice redesign recently to "motivate" people to donate < 1398201022 322555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a browser with blink tags for the full effect < 1398201050 104647 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1398201056 855053 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was disappointed my IE didn't support those < 1398201090 733072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it only works on people with an aversion to Comic Sans < 1398201093 318059 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My FF doesn't either < 1398201106 379805 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome neither < 1398201110 200373 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1398201112 703632 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does then? < 1398201120 926573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-chromium opera does < 1398201126 237184 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1398201127 476203 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. < 1398201150 852575 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should've used marquee < 1398201164 322522 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF still supports marquee < 1398201166 592954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :marqueeeee < 1398201189 432671 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Else my legit webshop page would look stupid < 1398201193 634357 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if marquee wouldn't work < 1398201210 212480 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1398201214 921338 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't no legit webshop without marquee < 1398201399 21399 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I can ask JavaScript to give me all blink tags < 1398201412 346576 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make them blink again with JavaScript sorcery < 1398201433 787993 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can < 1398201465 92468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement and as Web Components < 1398201494 835990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a co-polyfill < 1398201510 9751 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of marquees, http://marquee.olsner.se/ (all warranties void and null. in chrome, make sure to stop it before it eats your ram) < 1398201590 94598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1398201616 328306 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if putting each iframe in its own domain could fool chrome into making a new process for each one, that might make it even more fun < 1398201646 735747 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1398201760 261481 :nooodl!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1398201875 559036 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1398201957 554815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :servo will run them in different Rust tasks < 1398201958 399079 :nooodl_!~nooodl@131.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1398201960 949865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that iframes are broken right now < 1398201973 922053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also