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00:34:35 <zzo38> Now I fixed it so that filters in PHIRC (this IRC client) is allowed to include regular expressions if it starts with a forward slash.
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00:55:55 <myname> http://www.qdb.us/305734 that kinda reminds me of zzo
00:56:21 <kmc> :D
00:57:00 <ion> :-D
01:06:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Indirect]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=39242 * Quojil * (+2214) Initial documentation
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01:11:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Indirect]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39243&oldid=39242 * Quojil * (+267) Specifications & another edit to only example... for now.
01:11:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dogescript]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39244&oldid=38025 * 216.38.135.42 * (+73) /* External Resources */
01:12:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Indirect]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39245&oldid=39243 * Quojil * (+0) /* How is it different */
01:14:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Indirect]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39246&oldid=39245 * Quojil * (+16) Modified example again and fixed typo.
01:15:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39247&oldid=39235 * Quojil * (+15) /* I */
01:23:47 <Sgeo> The Onion's Kelly is losing his grip
01:23:56 <Sgeo> The villain of the cartoon isn't covered in flies
01:25:35 <Sgeo> @run let reify = flip id; reflect = id in reify 6 (\p -> reflect p + reflect p)
01:25:36 <lambdabot> 12
01:26:28 <Sgeo> I am so tired of that example, it doesn't clarify anything
01:26:54 <Sgeo> I think what I want is an example of, e.g., passing around a username+password known only at runtime
01:27:10 <elliott_> http://lpaste.net/66715
01:27:30 <Sgeo> ty
01:27:32 * Sgeo starts reading
01:29:31 <^v> my kitteh is so flufffie
01:29:46 <Sgeo> Oh, so you can create the proxy out of thin air... I guess ScopedTypeVariables is needed to do that?
01:30:49 <elliott_> no. you can do it in other ways too.
01:31:12 <Sgeo> Now, if only this were someplace more obvious than some random paste that you get linked to if you ask the right question...
01:31:16 <elliott_> ScopedTypeVariables is never or at least only very rarely necessary, afaik.
01:31:25 <elliott_> reflection ships with more examples.
01:33:30 <Sgeo> The phantom type parameter in Report and Datum are strictly necessary, or not?
01:34:24 <elliott_> you would not want to eliminate them. they provide type safety.
01:34:42 <elliott_> you can mix multiple configurations in one program and they are tagged with the type. it is just like putting the configuration itself into the type.
01:35:05 <elliott_> if you eliminate the type parameter, then you just have to add Proxy arguments, but e.g. that Num instance would not be possible.
01:36:08 <elliott_> you can e.g., have (Int `Mod` n) where you can think of the n "phantom" type as actually just a natural
01:36:22 <elliott_> (and you can make instances so that you can use a TypeLit natural as an "n" there, as well as supporting runtime decision of n)
01:36:56 <elliott_> btw, all of this is in the paper, if you read it
01:37:24 <Sgeo> I know the paper has an example of using it for modulus arithmetic...
01:37:45 <Bike> the 6 example is pretty lol
01:37:54 <elliott_> well, it should help clarify.
01:38:01 <elliott_> it's a good paper
01:39:03 <Sgeo> I like seeing a lot of examples. I think yours was the most helpful so far, but... I still wish it was someplace more accessible
01:40:47 <elliott_> I hereby release it under the CC0 1.0 Universal terms, available at https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode.
01:40:57 <elliott_> feel free to submit a patch to add it; I'd prefer no credit in the source.
01:41:31 <Sgeo> Awesome
01:42:37 <elliott_> (better quote those two lines in the pull request so there's no legal lawyering.)
01:44:28 <elliott_> or maybe I should GPL it just to be a pain. (too late now.)
01:46:56 <Sgeo> What should I call the file? I have a feeling you may not like the name ReaderLike.hs
01:47:46 <Bike> psh it's in public domain fuck elliott_
01:48:03 <Bike> ElliottSucksLol.hs
01:48:06 <elliott_> pretty much, do what you like with it :p
01:48:37 <elliott_> I don't want credit because I just wrote it ad-hoc and nobody should feel like I have creative rights over it.
01:48:41 <elliott_> feel free to improve it.
01:49:05 <Sgeo> I tried to copy/paste your lines, they got eaten
01:50:28 <nooodl> hm is the "available at https://creativecommons.org/..." legally required
01:51:17 <Bike> i don't think you people understand the public domain very well
01:52:40 <Bike> i could take the code and tattoo it on my ass and sell photos of the ass and musical compositions based on the ass to Disney and elliott_ couldn't do shit.
01:53:10 <elliott_> nooodl: I don't think there's any clear standard. I think what I said is unambiguous enough for any court.
01:53:33 <elliott_> Sgeo: eaten...? well, just say you got permission from me to use it under CC0.
01:53:46 <Sgeo> Bike: Unless some country says that elliott_ isn't allowed to give permission away like that
01:53:54 <Sgeo> I think that's why CC0 exists
01:54:00 <Bike> too bad. taht's an ass state
01:54:05 <elliott_> CC0 still probably doesn't work everywhere.
01:54:08 <elliott_> GPL probably doesn't.
01:55:19 <pikhq> CC0 probably works in more jurisdictions than GPL.
01:56:36 <pikhq> And it certainly works in more jurisdictions than a generic public domain grant. :)
01:57:24 <Bike> i only use the wtfpl personally
01:57:47 <pikhq> The WTFPL probably doesn't work in a decent handful of jurisdictions, though it definitely does under common law.
01:58:08 <Bike> that's the beauty of it: fuck those jurisdictionsssss
01:58:09 <nooodl> how can the wtfpl fail to work
01:58:41 <elliott_> nooodl: e.g. some countries don't let you just give away your rights without something in return like that
01:59:04 <Bike> my attitudes towards law is like a billion times more lackadaisical than most programmers and i love it
01:59:56 <pikhq> A sampling of github suggests it's actually much less lackadaisical than most programmers.
02:00:08 <pikhq> The typical repo on github is unlicensed. :)
02:00:30 <pikhq> The WTFPL might not work in all jurisdictions, but it definitely is a legal copyright license.
02:02:33 <Bike> "In May 2005, Daniel Wallace filed suit against the Free Software Foundation in the Southern District of Indiana, contending that the GPL is an illegal attempt to fix prices (at zero)." nice
02:02:59 <Bike> "Defendants argued that since it is impossible to maintain trade secrets while being compliant with GPL and distributing the work, they are not in breach of trade secrets" this is some good stuff
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03:01:53 <Sgeo> elliott_: I'm starting to think you're right about trusting random Haskell over OpenSSL (not really... if it gets as many eyes looking at it as OpenSSL, then definitely... but the OpenSSL bug is really just anecdotal evidence, I think?)
03:02:56 <Bike> when have programmers ever used non-anecdotal evidence?
03:04:06 <Sgeo> I heard a programmer use non-anecdotal evidence just the other day
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03:39:54 <Jafet> Bike: note that you can't conversely take Disney's stuff, because CTEA and 93/98/EEC
03:40:41 <Bike> my ass will hae to wait
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04:01:35 <kmc> `coins
04:01:37 <HackEgo> 2.74coin epitcoin hoycoin altiverowcoin rainfrecoin pathcoin alighcoin relcoin undanicasmicoin halfhacoin calcoin etercoin rencoin returncoin minocoin crading-booker)coin vollicoin gartrethintynskinguissioncoin sublecoin nnrcoin
04:03:57 <kmc> numberwangcoin
04:06:52 <coppro> -+
04:08:52 <Sgeo> I remember eating fish once, I don't remember what kind of fish
04:08:59 <Sgeo> Flounder? Is that a fish people eat
04:09:00 <Sgeo> ?
04:10:25 <Bike> https://twitter.com/RUST_HULK/status/453294938763976704 of course
04:12:41 * kmc has null-routed twitter locally
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04:16:41 <Sgeo> OOOOOOOH https://github.com/chrisdone/foreign-store
04:17:14 <Sgeo> Blah, looks less smooth than in, say, CL or Smalltalk
04:17:22 <Sgeo> Still, better than DrRacket
04:20:04 <coppro> what the
04:20:08 <coppro> I'm afraid
04:20:53 <Sgeo> https://github.com/chrisdone/ghci-reload-demo
04:23:12 <Sgeo> "I shouldn’t have to tell anyone this but just in case: don’t use this in production."
04:23:13 <Sgeo> aww
04:24:45 <Bike> using a live image as production seems bad anyway...
04:25:32 <Sgeo> What do Erlangers do?
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04:26:25 <kmc> "oh yeah, use me in production"
04:26:41 <Bike> i'm not ready to enter this porn dimension.
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04:33:42 <Sgeo> Wikipedia doesn't have Heartbleed yet
04:34:05 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openssl#Heartbleed_bug ?
04:35:00 <Sgeo> And that's what I get for assuming that Wikipedia search works
04:35:17 <Sgeo> "known to attackers since March 2012."
04:35:18 <Sgeo> wtf
04:35:19 <kmc> ♫ learnin' a lesson ♫
04:35:32 <Bike> learnin on a wish
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04:38:07 * kmc restarts irssi and his EC2 instance
04:38:09 <kmc> 21:38:09 up 186 days, 3:48, 6 users, load average: 0.57, 0.22, 0.12
04:38:11 <kmc> :'(
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04:39:14 <Bike> the end of an era
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04:41:56 <kmc> `coins
04:41:58 <HackEgo> hebdcoin continucoin reding-boocoin clunkcoin illghcoin codifycoin singcoin rcelumcoin spoohcoin emmertcoin yourcoin q-refcoin temcoin etaincoin proofcoin haowcoin recuncoin nonicoin murprincoin apocoin
04:42:38 <kmc> beep boop
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04:51:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:MarioLANG]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39248&oldid=39239 * T.J.S.1 * (+440) Interpreter
04:52:58 <kmc> http://www.antichipotle.com/git/
04:53:22 <Bike> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.antichipotle.com.
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04:57:04 * quintopia isn't using a vulnerable ssh. phew.
04:57:18 <kmc> there's a ssh vuln too?
04:58:26 <quintopia> oh wait. i think i misread that :P
04:59:05 <quintopia> i should have said
04:59:10 <quintopia> i'm not using a vulnerable SSL
04:59:18 <quintopia> i never made it to version 1.0.1
04:59:24 <Bike> what if my password is my birthday
05:03:12 <zzo38> Bike: I don't care if it is or not. (Hopefully your date of birth doesn't change; I don't expect such things ever to change!!)
05:09:27 <quintopia> i wish my birthday got one year later every year
05:09:58 <kmc> zzo38: what if the calendar changes?
05:14:08 <zzo38> kmc: Then, you can write it in the new notation/calendar-based-system.
05:14:57 <zzo38> Already there is different kind of calendar, but Gregorian calendar is a common kind (and so is UNIX).
05:15:19 <zzo38> But you can figure out using, Discordian calendar instead, if you prefer to do so.
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05:18:21 <fizzie> Fun fact: esolangs.org had Debian wheezy installed, but the line for security updates was for squeeze (oldstable)...
05:18:36 <fizzie> (sources.list line, that is.)
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05:59:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kolmogorov machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39249&oldid=24661 * 99.118.9.187 * (+24) /* See Also */
06:02:01 <Slereah_> The Andrei Machine is the best
06:03:00 <maurer> Out of curiosity, does anyone know how the heartbleed thing works?
06:03:03 <maurer> the site is not super clear
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06:16:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kolmogorov machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39250&oldid=39249 * 99.118.9.187 * (+146) Я не говорю по-русски
06:28:55 <Sgeo> "Responsible disclosure (n.): coming up with a cool logo, homepage and name for your terrifying bug before panicking the Internet with it"
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06:45:25 <fizzie> Oh, the company behind that thing (Codenomicon) is originally Finnish.
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07:01:14 <fizzie> Heh, kind of funny: StartSSL provides certificates for free, but asks a $24.90 "handling fee" for revocation.
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07:05:23 <kmc> "Not a classy industry, is it?" "It ranks slightly behind three-card monty but two spots ahead of straight daytime flashing"
07:06:22 <kmc> lexande sometimes claims to be an X.509 certificate authority but he won't give me a cert
07:07:43 <fizzie> I was hoping for this DANE thing to get popularly supported (it's not like a free StartSSL certificate "validates" anything else than a domain name either), but it doesn't seem like it.
07:12:25 <lexande> kmc: i suspect honest lexande may be too honest to be an X.509 certificate authority
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09:24:19 <fizzie> "error: command failed: non-zero return code: -11"
09:24:25 <fizzie> It's good to have verbose diagnostics.
09:25:07 <oerjan> someone turned that command down to eleven
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09:42:38 <oerjan> netsplits for all!
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09:42:57 * oerjan perhaps should read about that SSL vulnerabiliy
09:42:59 <oerjan> *+t
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10:07:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:MarioLANG]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39251&oldid=39248 * Oerjan * (+103) /* Interpreter */ Of course
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10:12:16 <Taneb> HackEgo++
10:12:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kolmogorov machine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39252&oldid=39250 * Oerjan * (+23) bullets, and spell Russian title with Russian letters
10:12:20 <Taneb> I like the wiki edits
10:13:38 <oerjan> eep
10:14:52 <oerjan> tomorrow: DMM's new comic
10:14:52 <Taneb> That is, I like that HackEgo posts them
10:15:01 <Taneb> oerjan, oh god I forgot about that
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10:15:43 <oerjan> he has revealed a hint that the name is a tv trope
10:16:42 <Taneb> I've stopped following the IWC rerun :(
10:17:03 <Taneb> Might try to get back into it
10:17:05 <oerjan> well this was in the forum.
10:17:18 <Taneb> I haven't been there for aaaageees
10:17:48 <oerjan> he also said "This will narrow things down quite a bit:" i smell irony
10:18:04 <Taneb> That sounds more like sarcasm
10:18:21 <oerjan> OKAY
10:18:32 * oerjan is vague on those fine distinctions
10:18:48 <Taneb> I just assume that nothing is irony
10:18:57 <Taneb> I know what dramatic irony and metallurgic irony are
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10:19:53 <oerjan> i googled that and the most promising hit was tvtropes
10:20:07 <oerjan> (metallurgic)
10:20:08 <Taneb> Metallurgic irony is "sort of like iron"
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11:15:55 <fizzie> "checking for gcc... icc" "checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes" hmm.
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11:42:59 <ion> heh
11:47:09 <b_jonas> :-)
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14:09:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MarioLANG]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39253&oldid=37549 * T.J.S.1 * (+303) Add interpreter by T.J.S.1
14:12:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:T.J.S.1]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39254&oldid=36857 * T.J.S.1 * (+165) Updates
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14:37:37 <Jafet> `run echo $'!\xAA1\xB2xM|;b\xD1\x15\xA3\x0C\x18:\xB0I\xA7\x1F\xB6\xCE\xD4~\x161\xAD\xF4\xB8k$\x0C\xCA\xE8\xE8b\x97\xE3\xE3\x95Yly\x05\xD3\x9F\x1E\xAC\xEC\xBA\x9E\x86=\xBD\x13\xDF\xBCd\x8C\xEEdo\x93\x8F\xB9\x97\xCD_\xE6\xAA\xD3}Z\xAB\x17\xC5\xFB+\xE8i\x1A\xB1~\xC1\xA7\xD6|$\x7F\x92\x19\xBF\x94\xF6\xD7\xE6\x0E\xA4E\xF3\xCD\x97q'\''C\x07k\xBD1T&\xCA\x84#\x8B,x\x86\xCE\xF6\x19\xE6\xB6\xAC' | dis86
14:37:38 <HackEgo> No output.
14:37:49 <Jafet> `run dis86 $'!\xAA1\xB2xM|;b\xD1\x15\xA3\x0C\x18:\xB0I\xA7\x1F\xB6\xCE\xD4~\x161\xAD\xF4\xB8k$\x0C\xCA\xE8\xE8b\x97\xE3\xE3\x95Yly\x05\xD3\x9F\x1E\xAC\xEC\xBA\x9E\x86=\xBD\x13\xDF\xBCd\x8C\xEEdo\x93\x8F\xB9\x97\xCD_\xE6\xAA\xD3}Z\xAB\x17\xC5\xFB+\xE8i\x1A\xB1~\xC1\xA7\xD6|$\x7F\x92\x19\xBF\x94\xF6\xD7\xE6\x0E\xA4E\xF3\xCD\x97q'\''C\x07k\xBD1T&\xCA\x84#\x8B,x\x86\xCE\xF6\x19\xE6\xB6\xAC'
14:37:50 <HackEgo> No output.
14:38:16 <Jafet> `run dis86 $'\x90\x90'
14:38:17 <HackEgo> No output.
14:38:23 <Jafet> Oh wait
14:38:29 <Jafet> `run dis86 9090
14:38:30 <HackEgo> nop; nop;
14:41:55 <Jafet> `run dis86 aa21b2314d783b7cd162a315180cb03aa749b61fd4ce167ead31b8f4246bca0ce8e89762e3e35995
14:41:56 <HackEgo> stosb; and [rdx+0x3b784d31], esi; jl 0xffffffda; invalid; mov [0xb649a73ab00c1815], eax; invalid; invalid; invalid; invalid; jle 0xffffffc6; xor [rax-0x3594db0c], edi; or al, 0xe8; call 0xffffffffe3e362bd; pop rcx; xchg ebp, eax;
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14:45:16 <?unknown?> [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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14:50:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Indirect]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39255&oldid=39246 * 76.94.2.75 * (+383) /* "operations" */
14:51:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Indirect]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=39256&oldid=39255 * 76.94.2.75 * (+104) /* "operations" */
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22:25:02 <oerjan> cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_or_Bust
22:26:31 <elliott> oerjan: seems somewhat stalled
22:28:21 <oerjan> there's of course the possibility the conjecture is wrong and the last six will never budge
22:28:54 <elliott> no progress for seven years is a bit sad
22:29:03 <elliott> (okay, fsvo "progress")
22:29:24 <Taneb> And their homepage
22:29:27 <Taneb> It's...
22:29:41 <Taneb> Brown
22:29:51 <oerjan> note the digits column though, they've definitely not stopped searching
22:31:38 <oerjan> maybe they should get tao on the case to prove it's wrong
22:32:02 <shachaf> the tao is silent
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22:34:43 <oerjan> indeed, his blog seems to have never mentioned it
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22:46:50 <fizzie> Hm, this time the codu.org is in fact entirely down, or is it just me?
22:52:47 <oerjan> `echo hi
22:52:48 <HackEgo> hi
22:53:17 <oerjan> DFM
22:53:54 <fizzie> No, I mean, http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://codu.org/ for that matter.
22:54:34 <oerjan> that's what i meant too
22:54:51 <fizzie> Oh, I didn't understand DFM at all.
22:55:05 <fizzie> I thought it was some kind of a new HTH.
22:55:24 <fizzie> (I was trying to see all the no doubt incredible happenings that had happened while I was gone there.)
22:55:26 <oerjan> no it was a new WFM HTH
22:55:52 <oerjan> <oerjan> indeed, his blog seems to have never mentioned it
22:56:23 <oerjan> i suppose you may have missed something before that too
22:56:47 <fizzie> "<oerjan> note the digits column though, they've definitely not stopped searching" is the last I saw. But it's not all that important.
22:58:04 <oerjan> ok 2048 is officially passé, dagbladet.no is covering it. (and putting it behind their paywall part.)
22:58:04 <quintopia> dfm means both "down for me" and "doesn't fucking matter"...different farflung meanings
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23:14:42 <quintopia> are there numbers stations on twitter
23:15:56 <oerjan> https://twitter.com/NumbersStations
23:16:17 <oerjan> i assume that was a rhetorical question
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