< 1395705667 358964 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1395705730 629921 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395705837 710779 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395706390 758755 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1395706416 800173 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395707890 148938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people hate checked exceptions so much? < 1395707935 368596 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, but I hate exceptions < 1395707944 418431 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to have them, you might as well represent them in the type though < 1395708002 638616 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395708035 762128 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395708167 778333 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer a maybe < 1395708293 810054 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395708334 313697 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1395708337 840914 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Taneb quote < 1395708403 843203 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote field with < 1395708404 341247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1395708407 935183 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1395708484 883975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : I’m a story about the prohibition of chocolate < 1395708766 358628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar Wound up at my university's fetish society Didn't realise for an hour and a half < 1395708773 482510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, that < 1395708778 265650 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True story, btw < 1395708795 224753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never suspected otherwise < 1395708796 530774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gran won't shut up about it < 1395708802 910500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :........... < 1395708810 425003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret telling my gran < 1395708815 561163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...................... < 1395708860 756090 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you, kmc < 1395708913 149358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doin' fine < 1395708991 617910 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1395709155 109339 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1395709195 457569 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395709195 864583 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1395709770 275088 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395709779 120267 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395710052 820351 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395710156 804465 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I recommend Bootleg < 1395710183 619828 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or its anime adaptation, Chocolate Underground, which is hilarious because of how the voice actors mangle the name "Myrtle" < 1395710903 878825 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe doesn't contain information about the nature of the error < 1395710910 604436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Either is hard to combine < 1395710930 928009 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris's EXCEPTION might be good? < 1395710940 265537 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's loud. that's always good. < 1395710944 557644 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not sure how to actually combine those either without discarding the information < 1395710982 833816 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iiuc, if you put it in a Maybe context you can have ]EXCEPTION a, EXCEPTION b], but in a Either context you need to choose :/ < 1395711042 917407 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, copumpkin's here, e could clear things up < 1395711181 150846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think idris might fall into a tradition of giving dependently typed languages subtly dubious names < 1395711211 57148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they claim it's a dragon, but it's also a muslim prophet < 1395711250 817552 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's dubious < 1395711277 657116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they don't mention that it's a muslim name < 1395711302 127797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kings of libya and morocco < 1395711325 679871 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear 'lisp' is also a speech condition < 1395711342 376836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thocking < 1395711364 387103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hönan agda < 1395711374 537634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and coq < 1395711416 749920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well could be worse, could have been iblis < 1395711941 803443 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1395712976 959495 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm adding "Lady Chablis" to the list of things to name an esolang < 1395712996 694584 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i should probably write up some of these langs lying around on my desk sometime... < 1395713087 926573 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably make another esolang < 1395713232 126678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the last one you made? < 1395713263 392714 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395713274 227436 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braintrust, I think < 1395715315 372285 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395715372 143964 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1395716953 811961 :huh!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395717035 711358 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395717328 686702 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1395717595 928861 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1395718153 457133 :huh!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: . < 1395718333 371044 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1395718372 120139 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395718445 906244 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395718632 447838 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395718776 93641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so did you also explain to your gran what a fetish society is or did she already know < 1395719164 550224 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1395719182 918503 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1395719760 25710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disturbing twist: his gran once founded that society < 1395720005 274581 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1395720575 896222 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395720608 919531 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395720782 486367 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1395720816 462331 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1395720904 815741 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1395721831 339289 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395722614 816113 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1395723619 336734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a "Pokemon renaming rule", for use with Pokemon Card when the cards are drafted or otherwise randomly selected, rather than playing a Constructed game. < 1395723885 819907 :password2!~password@197.78.154.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395723904 257908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before the game starts, make up a list of names of cards in your deck (ignoring level and quantity), on the left side of the page. For each one, write the name you are renaming it to on the right. You can only rename into names of cards which are possible to be drafted (whether or not anyone did, whether or not it is in your deck). The left side cannot have any duplicates, and the right side cannot have any duplicates. < 1395723918 218718 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dull < 1395723957 217020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic pokemon cards can only be renamed to names of basic pokemon cards. Evolution cards can be only renamed into name of evolution cards. Trainer cards can only renamed into name of trainer cards. Special energy cards can only renamed into name of special entry cards. Basic energy cards cannot be renamed at all. Renaming a name into itself (so it doesn't change) is permitted. < 1395723965 286639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I wasn't finished yet; now I am. < 1395724001 752838 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stand by my assessment < 1395724042 737276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1395724091 978853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-51-179.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, many cards in the game (mostly evolution cards) require card of other specific name, and if cards are drafted or selected at random or something like that, then you cannot do that so easily. This rule is not meant to be used in a Constructed game. < 1395724280 458262 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395724558 509764 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1395725398 610313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In gbeta, object metamorphosis coexists with strict, static type-checking: It is possible to take an existing object and modify its structure until it is an instance of a given class, which is possibly only known or even constructed at run-time. Still, the static analysis ensures that message-not-understood errors can never occur at run-time." < 1395725420 516371 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried to learn gBeta once. I don't think I succeeded < 1395725984 410532 :password2!~password@197.78.154.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you stopped trying , then you probably did < 1395727365 760394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1395727754 244375 :confuzedstuff!~potato558@105.184.72.37 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1395727892 736885 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: bai < 1395728933 892234 :password2!~password@197.78.154.30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1395729029 787052 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1395729373 86243 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1395731493 464381 :BeingUntoDeath!~BeingUnto@173-31-68-167.client.mchsi.com QUIT : < 1395731532 822931 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395731730 770855 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395731766 350171 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395731822 792099 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395732755 10372 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.175 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395733591 666872 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1395734208 380153 :Zom-B|zz!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 NICK :Zom-B < 1395734265 149521 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395734387 600517 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.175 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395735527 480995 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395735537 182367 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395735679 956011 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1395735695 700050 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1395736152 819936 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-194-235.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1395736260 406448 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1395736674 379152 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making an 2-dimensional esolang and I'm still trying to figure out some details < 1395736806 900028 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, numbers are encoded in unary, so should i make a special constant for '0' or make everything starting from 1? < 1395736821 28372 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(memory addresses, etc) < 1395737441 974648 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.175 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1395737512 349545 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395737735 449556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1395738670 459244 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether to use two instructcions to address from the begin or from the end of the memory, or use one instruction with negative addresses < 1395738723 169798 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative addresses can be made by pushing a unary value and then calling the NEG instruction < 1395738796 275922 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395739035 841889 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@193.253.170.175 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1395739070 252992 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395739078 342106 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1395739347 205903 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395739386 182924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1395740663 281206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1395741646 239198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395741741 339513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1395742488 347639 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395745382 211932 :boily!~boily@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: Can one trigger a botloop with a /quit message? < 1395746046 313207 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395746318 320912 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1395747461 528592 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1395747555 261839 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zom-B: If subtraction is possible then zero is x-x for any x. < 1395748572 358370 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1395749038 895790 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1395749195 183275 :Slereah!~jackal@244.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395749299 447237 :Slereah_!~jackal@244.168.90.79.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395749619 200645 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1395749795 240961 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1395749826 521201 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395750588 311546 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1395751382 328357 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1395752132 109237 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1395752208 608639 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1395752332 462153 :tertu!~quassel@174-20-41-3.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395752395 388341 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395752396 461509 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1395752514 275018 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395752569 220730 :heroux!~heroux@5070816D.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1395753302 693650 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395753580 195017 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1395753846 555614 :heroux!~heroux@5070816D.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1395754091 448854 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1395754636 479032 :tertu!~quassel@174-20-41-3.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395755770 55009 :tertu!~tertu@174-20-41-3.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395759401 521560 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, was afk at a neighbor, 'fixing' his windows 8 < 1395759429 962856 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, x-x is possible < 1395759493 28662 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit it would take 3 instructions < 1395759511 660646 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :push x, push x again, subtract < 1395759536 738446 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.119-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1395759674 138971 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1395760022 394180 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just made everything 1-based < 1395760238 703469 :tertu!~tertu@174-20-41-3.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1395760239 16974 :ter2!~tertu@174-20-41-3.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395760393 474492 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1395760552 436487 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395760855 418590 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395761194 373022 :tertu3!~tertu@174-20-41-3.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395761409 948941 :ter2!~tertu@174-20-41-3.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1395762186 290513 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395763118 871967 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow , nice i see someone actually edited and correct my bf^ page < 1395763266 248908 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in thinking of also releasing a shunken-down version of my new esolang with only 7 symbols, equal to the brainfuck <>+-,.? < 1395763290 395977 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? turns if the value is nonzero, otherwise it goes straight < 1395763358 745209 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1395763393 545549 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (too?) many BF clones already < 1395763450 989681 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an upper limit of how many there may be? < 1395763474 997766 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mathematics of large numbers say n==n+1 < 1395763519 507988 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thusly you may create another one without it affecting how much there is < 1395763544 167874 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a computer scientist, not a mathematician < 1395763652 739210 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me , I'm an engineer < 1395763750 227775 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go back to your engines < 1395763757 589006 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::] < 1395763802 787739 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err , i dont do engines < 1395763820 261638 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do electronics! < 1395763851 727577 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then some WireWorld < 1395763965 547398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd `? brick if there was a working HackEgo. < 1395764016 798437 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is broked? < 1395764024 422818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1395764026 377945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brick < 1395764026 767845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1395764030 783008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo whatever < 1395764031 149651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1395764045 70245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "No output." # at least this still works < 1395764045 437744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1395764092 138285 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the specification says it should output "No output."for all possible inputs except the input of zero length < 1395764338 303013 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now pretty convinced that mathematica can do anything. < 1395764349 838666 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1395764355 900114 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://46.4.207.77/sum.gif < 1395764420 547508 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i invented that algorithm when i was young < 1395764445 848860 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also recently used it to encode two integers into a single integer < 1395764501 487573 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with approximate preservation of magnitude, so not just bit fiddling < 1395764895 829266 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1395764917 36512 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1395765262 624767 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've figured out the complete design of my esolang < 1395765340 574814 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it possible you could rename a wiki page (not 'move', but really rename in the database)? It's not linked from or to anything yet < 1395765515 892494 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like this: (an analogy) < 1395765516 79431 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i started something that's like cooking recepies < 1395765516 79595 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then called it chef and made the wiki page < 1395765516 79691 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the design went through so many iterations that it ended up like an instruction manual instead < 1395765524 599252 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you jafet < 1395765535 358961 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to click the buttons of that gif < 1395765670 829395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zom-B, what's wrong with just moving it < 1395765699 47822 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the essence that the name captured is not in the language anymore < 1395765736 240416 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving leave residues and fossils < 1395765770 209925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just rename it, the page history really doesn't matter that much < 1395765863 598524 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still need to think of a good name < 1395766011 699668 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new essence is: its 2-dimensional and self-modification is required to make loops < 1395766036 980344 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except the BF variant) < 1395766605 729284 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should release the BF vaiant on april 1st < 1395766713 929658 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you choose names for all your esolangs? < 1395767156 769115 :^v!~notnot^v@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395767739 608147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a HackEgo command for it, but it's also inoperative. < 1395767760 458997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think any languages have yet been named by `words --esolangs, though.) < 1395767763 888209 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats wrong with the bot? < 1395767812 347649 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395767906 910169 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm , a 2d bf could be fun < 1395767986 877783 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it been done? < 1395768087 571899 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395768094 628232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several 2D (or more) brainfuck derivatives, at least. < 1395768107 458950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if any of them tries to do only the 2D thing and nothing else. < 1395768109 814565 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1395768122 229997 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might give it a go < 1395768214 697958 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sould probably not make it run over irc , atleast not the memory dump parts < 1395768243 99071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quick intersection of Category:Two-dimensional languages and Category:Brainfuck derivatives returns: 2L, Archway, Braincopter, Brainloller, Braktif, Electric BitFunk, Minifuck-2D, Minimal-2D, Pirandello, Puzzlang, Sansism and YABALL. < 1395768301 560674 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah , thy < 1395768322 569632 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet speed is horrendous < 1395768395 669155 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@l's code looks cool < 1395768395 855837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: list let < 1395768400 115307 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2L < 1395768663 688014 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm , i see none of these programs usses 1D instructions over a 2D tape < 1395768823 88049 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about brainfuck 2d? < 1395768834 843939 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-174-194-235.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1395768886 789414 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for a 2d brainfuck < 1395768918 568426 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is, but i don't like it < 1395768935 291378 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1395768937 68188 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the instruction depends on the 8 directions you can take < 1395768946 418942 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is its name brainfuck 2d? < 1395768957 651119 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. going south-west could be + < 1395768959 888329 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1395768980 110178 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of em uses an 2d instructional set < 1395769011 602375 :MoALTz!~no@user-31-174-194-235.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1395769013 529531 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2l looks pretty hard for a brainfuck derivate < 1395769032 958118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you meant just having a plane instead of tape for the memory pointer, not code? < 1395769040 868407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1395769043 769567 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1395769048 136729 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the words < 1395769050 729571 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a plane for the code, but still a tape < 1395769069 408309 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1395769086 70564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: In that case, it wouldn't be in Category:Two-dimensional languages, of course. < 1395769096 238616 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1395769098 232369 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1395769107 459311 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it be then? < 1395769137 517222 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, i don't see any fun in n-dimensional tapes < 1395769164 58685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably isn't really a category for that, but there are all kinds of variants that do something to the tape. < 1395769175 925592 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1395769187 134611 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i geuss i just do my own thing < 1395769218 118803 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i want to do is replace <> with wasd , i think < 1395769233 665998 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun is this? < 1395769248 259774 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1395769260 998227 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just something i kinda always wanted to try < 1395769275 51932 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun is trying to discover what fun it is: < 1395769277 578357 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1395769444 369963 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially w would only translate to >>>>>>>>>>>>> < 1395769477 67416 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would not be truly 2d < 1395769519 928069 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1395769559 349468 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i could reach the cell "above" the current by moving to the right? < 1395769577 906630 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jip < 1395769584 839602 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1395769591 29338 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see it as a tape rolled into a cylinder < 1395769609 658776 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just make generic macros, then < 1395769666 768298 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still want to try it < 1395769754 988828 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'll make it like a bunch of parralel tapes < 1395769757 9304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clusterfuck is kinda-sorta close, with a fixed-size memory. < 1395769800 319435 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm , or radial memory structure < 1395769861 249761 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very close < 1395769863 22377 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: just make something like #define w >>>>>>>>>> possible and you can make stuff < 1395769907 679583 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see what i will do when i actually start < 1395770135 64928 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm i like radial < 1395770149 772097 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the farther you move from center the bigger the tape would be < 1395770190 268775 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make it move at approximately constant angles rather than incrementing by cells < 1395770200 668768 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that when your radius was high, you'd sweep 8 bytes in a read/step < 1395770205 475719 :maurer!~maurer@MIMUNG.ECE.CMU.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example) < 1395770218 849486 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i begin liking black < 1395770234 589375 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the datasize increases? < 1395770402 119991 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i was think that that the 'width' of the cell is constand such that each ring has ,say, 4 more cells , and changing the angle by a small amount means that the first few cells from the center would still be the same and it diverges a bit as you move outwards < 1395770486 178434 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a rubik's cube of say 6x6x6 as "take" with rotation instructions < 1395770570 115883 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah , so the pointer almost tays fixed then and a /tape/ rotates < 1395770604 293409 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stays < 1395770673 299181 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn my internet is soo sloow < 1395771881 9932 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what i mean http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/06f04fcd77d6038a71226f2edba1ea166c299449_m.png < 1395771916 683599 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or close to it < 1395771923 787632 :evalj!~jeval@54029E80.dsl.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1395772060 265311 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1395773457 239358 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zachholman.com/posts/only-90s-developers/ < 1395773713 488899 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked all those 2D BF derivatives and none is true tot he original BF essence < 1395773826 624344 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1395773995 421490 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395773996 318231 :shikhout!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1395775062 605744 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395775340 152281 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1395777834 433555 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way Zom-B ? < 1395779198 134132 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@irc.sellyme.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1395779216 358735 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either instruction bloat (R, L, U, D) or instruction overloading (* does all of <>,.) < 1395779255 761763 :spiette!~spiette@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe66:77e5 QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1395779286 737408 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@199.127.227.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395779435 868895 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainloller is close to my idea, but instead of just ? it has [] and two extra rotation operations < 1395779452 414783 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1395779467 89468 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archway is even closer, though not graphical and has two splite /\ instead of just ? < 1395779472 678995 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plit* < 1395779473 493205 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw , do you want one whose instruction set is in 2d , or dataset? < 1395779480 299382 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :splits* < 1395779491 948892 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction < 1395779497 939360 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dataset 2d is a bit pointless < 1395779498 228251 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1395779516 987340 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it 'plane' simple < 1395779519 298556 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to 'walk' from a to b anyway wether 1d or 2d < 1395779527 200582 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need extra instructions < 1395779554 279172 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now you have twice the directions < 1395779581 618965 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats like saying reality is useless becaus you still have to travel < 1395779627 470214 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1395779635 878795 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not like you have the crossing problem or anything, it's data not logic < 1395779674 256937 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the average distance between any two cells is lower on average, but thats the only practical difference < 1395779697 452103 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to make pictures with the memory map (instead of stdout, which is already possible) < 1395779721 919669 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a competitive variant might benefit from 2d memory though < 1395779731 349480 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4player battles < 1395779786 979420 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can access data in a different sequence easier < 1395779856 547301 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want exponential memory balls you should change from linear to a tree < 1395779940 270747 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so add ^ for going up, and <> become left-down and right-down < 1395779970 122057 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reach 2^n cells in n steps... < 1395780065 869196 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1395780083 207582 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangular memmory map! < 1395780151 836329 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, from linear to quadratic, to exponential. what' < 1395780155 725429 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, from linear to quadratic, to exponential. what's next? < 1395780168 533918 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly triangular, given the interior nodes and all < 1395780182 789348 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plume! < 1395780231 279649 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal and tangent coordinates < 1395780247 734928 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic space? < 1395780262 179682 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a data structure where you can reach A(n,n) nodes in n steps < 1395780302 649522 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually hyperbolic might be suboptimal and mappable to tree < 1395780305 10929 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-dimensional < 1395780332 382880 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iknow! try hilbert space < 1395780365 353410 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fft space < 1395780373 899434 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not a space but a transform < 1395780375 533753 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk hilbert had a space < 1395780381 804339 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1395780386 342231 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frequency domain is a space < 1395780411 648862 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun if program memory and data memory were mapped by the fourier transform < 1395780423 670404 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mutate one too much, the other starts to slowly corrupt < 1395780470 979560 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1395780509 459350 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i though about a simplistic version where you can only go forward < 1395780528 129044 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1395780558 980318 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in >_+[],. ? < 1395780582 299981 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1395780597 552653 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how it will work < 1395780613 60351 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just thinking of random mutations < 1395780673 19253 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to , dunno wrap around to get back where you want to be < 1395780706 191242 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be turing complete < 1395780742 488993 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ? < 1395780793 818961 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, maybe it can if memory is circular and values infinitely big < 1395780833 180629 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how would you prove it for a circle of N cells with the limit N->1? < 1395780856 248575 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is turing complete then a single memory cell memory would also be < 1395780883 319028 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it boils down to random-access within a number (like bit-fiddling) < 1395780901 69247 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dont have that it's not turing complete < 1395780910 969551 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zom-B: afaik, 2 bigint-cells are known to be TC < 1395780918 530425 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duno about 1 cell < 1395780921 589828 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1395780922 340635 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1395780936 790344 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall i look it up? < 1395780957 162948 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cell is more like a stack (of unary numbers no less), not a ram < 1395780978 959194 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unltimatly worst language to edebug would be one where the outcome of a cmd is linked to a random chance < 1395781050 150285 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, 3 cells < 1395781054 230468 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function < 1395781995 502512 :password2!~password@197.78.163.44 QUIT :Quit: "quick pm me when you read this!" < 1395782324 153037 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395782569 581462 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my CAT program is evil / holy (depending on your viewpoint/background): http://esolangs.org/wiki/File:Cat-inf.png < 1395782585 144718 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1395782626 518561 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the my brand new esolang that it runs on: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Floater < 1395782662 813125 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm deciding to keep the name after all, too lazy to rename it to a name i have yet to invent) < 1395782695 378369 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1395782711 699897 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night < 1395782715 168593 :Zom-B!~Zom-B@143.177.41.147 NICK :Zom-B|zz < 1395783607 545216 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395783643 489380 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1395783696 428753 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1395783798 688870 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1395784160 850926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1395784428 36735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1395784974 575151 :ket1v!~ket1v@147.69.1.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1395785086 619310 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1395785101 285332 :prooftechnique!~NihilistD@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395786413 198213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1395787703 844666 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395787717 878542 :Bike_!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1395787985 561828 :nooodl!~nooodl@193.119-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1395788078 221813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: is it possible you could rename a wiki page (not 'move', but really rename in the database)? It's not linked from or to anything yet <-- i think moving and then deleting the old should work well enough? < 1395788101 421018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think history is transfered with a move automatically < 1395788127 715353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only admins can do the deletion bit) < 1395788182 849842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i tried to click the buttons of that gif <-- wait a moment, not only did i do that but it seemed to _work_. < 1395788198 775687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, it was stalled before and then continued) < 1395788451 208513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Zom-B|zz If you move the page and one of us admins deletes the original, the effect will be the same as renaming (page history is automatically transfered on moving) < 1395788451 433061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1395788743 947678 :MoALTz_!~no@user-31-174-194-235.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1395788808 179093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell password2 mmm , i see none of these programs usses 1D instructions over a 2D tape <-- see paintfuck < 1395788808 865800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1395789105 569412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can reach 2^n cells in n steps... <-- 3^n if make it infinite upwards too < 1395789109 215378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if you < 1395789149 589350 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get 3^n you need 3 down dirs < 1395789176 39962 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ternary tree stil lhas only one up direction < 1395789191 373095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're wrong < 1395789199 819976 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does your tree look like? < 1395789219 803901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1395789230 741903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN I'M WRONG < 1395789244 788855 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1395789273 528810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't think about the fact ^ reverses both < and > < 1395789333 802385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it should be possible to make a tree that's entirely symmetric in ^ < > < 1395789342 494149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still only 2^n though) < 1395789416 218625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the easiest way would be make each direction its own inverse < 1395789459 759267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially the free product of 3 copies of the group Z_2, i think < 1395789469 88709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to make < 1395789516 909855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure i had 2 copies in my thesis somewhere < 1395789545 751602 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're labeling the edges of a free 3-tree with 0,1,2 such that every vertex has all labels on incident edges < 1395789572 39283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1395789605 653667 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :easiest to make it 0,1,2 in clockwise order around each vertex < 1395789633 110772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's systematic at least < 1395789647 514509 :evalj!~jeval@54029E80.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1395789651 809262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also switch direction each step, by parity of distance < 1395789664 74460 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or prettier is to color the edges red,green,blue < 1395789678 479247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone has to have made this fractal picture already < 1395789688 574956 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each vertex has all three colors incident < 1395789701 221768 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the three movements are called R,G,B < 1395789739 282030 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it RGBfuck :) < 1395789764 478870 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or BrgFuck to stay with the same initial 2 letters < 1395789846 987897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i crashed google trying to find that tree < 1395789896 368988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crashed the web < 1395790046 564155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might try restarting the net, but then i'm afraid i'd lose irc too... < 1395790051 807528 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://telliott99.blogspot.com/2010/11/phylogenetic-tree-surgery-1.html < 1395790076 665511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did _that_ page load. < 1395790120 419338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe because it autoredirects to .no < 1395790166 151992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty pictures, at least < 1395790524 608581 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering if we cld store bits in the RGB orientation < 1395790613 916169 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1395790621 690573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a command to detect it, then < 1395790657 808839 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] could be loop while clockwise oriented < 1395790683 893215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me a little of V < 1395790699 495123 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this would do bitwise io < 1395790716 172708 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :. outputs 0 or 1 depending on orientation < 1395790725 888595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you could have commands that mirror flipped the entire subtree in one direction < 1395790781 929422 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you can only flip infinitely many bits at once:) < 1395790799 842891 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting wild < 1395790822 209018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's the "reminds me of V" part < 1395791171 660392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal More silly photo stuff: http://zem.fi/2014-03-25-tl < 1395791171 885327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1395791232 902960 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the control should not only have a location but a direction as well < 1395791265 480303 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're heading is B then RG would change direction < 1395791272 969010 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while B would cross the edge < 1395791370 49641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right, then the tree flipping command can depend on the direction. < 1395791387 539039 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there wld only be one flip < 1395791396 159245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i mean < 1395791404 937343 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1395791416 729073 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can still limit the flip to one cell < 1395791429 959054 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by swapping to adjacent edges < 1395791442 219160 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of flipping over subtrees < 1395791455 303142 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably more sane < 1395791510 469286 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with heading B, Swap would swap R&G < 1395791567 198764 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and , (input) would do a possible R&G swap to set orientation to input bit < 1395791583 179137 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have exactly 8 instructions, like BF < 1395791598 218544 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RGB[],.S < 1395791625 414250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, the R&G swap has no detectible effect other than flipping the orientation of the current vertex. < 1395791643 650128 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it flips the local bit < 1395791655 750886 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like -/+ in bitfuck < 1395791720 758460 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the very first BF variant with exponential storage < 1395791745 299783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think V counts for that too < 1395791754 575798 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-245.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is V docs? < 1395791767 190715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/V < 1395791877 789278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had forgot that had a mirror command too