←2014-03-14 2014-03-15 2014-03-16→ ↑2014 ↑all
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00:03:28 <Melvar> It timed out, and now it’s in a different net fragment.
00:04:20 <boily1> ~duck melvar
00:04:20 <metasepia> General Melvar was the right hand man of Warlord Zsinj.
00:04:32 <Taneb> ~duck Taneb
00:04:32 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
00:04:33 <Taneb> :(
00:04:43 <Taneb> ~duck University of York
00:04:43 <metasepia> The University of York (informally York University, or simply York, abbreviated as Ebor.
00:05:15 <boily1> ebor?
00:05:25 <Taneb> Short for Eboracum, I presume
00:05:42 <Taneb> Roman name for York
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00:06:02 <boily1> ~duck eboracum
00:06:02 <metasepia> Eboracum was a fort and city in Roman Britain.
00:06:06 <sgeoweb> hi. afk
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00:07:00 <boily1> as the proverb goes, "Anas non satis accurate in hac nocte..."
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00:08:32 <Melvar> ( :t getWitness
00:08:32 <idris-ircslave> getWitness : (Exists a P) -> a
00:08:37 <Melvar> ( :t getProof
00:08:37 <idris-ircslave> getProof : (s : Exists a P) -> P (getWitness s)
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00:10:56 <sgeoweb> o.o
00:11:01 <sgeoweb> bye for now
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00:12:00 <oerjan> quousque tandem abutere, boily, latina nostra?
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00:13:09 <oerjan> are we being ddosed again
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00:14:55 <boily> Taneb: “How long, pray will you abuse boily, the Latin do with us?” ← uhm... wut?
00:15:10 <boily> oerjan: thausibly.
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00:15:31 <Taneb> boily, ?
00:15:33 <oerjan> i just changed a couple words in an _actual_ famous quote fwiw
00:15:58 <boily> Taneb: I can't read. I meant to answer oerjan.
00:16:04 <Taneb> Okay
00:16:07 <boily> (stupid term colours.)
00:16:13 <oerjan> fancy
00:16:23 <Taneb> Wouldn't be "our Latin"?
00:17:06 <boily> I don't do the Latin. you can get addicted to it!
00:17:11 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catiline_Orations#Oratio_in_Catilinam_Prima_in_Senatu_Habita
00:17:45 <oerjan> Taneb: i assume he tried google translate
00:18:22 <Taneb> Anyway, I have a nine o'clock train. Goodnight
00:18:38 <boily> bonne nuitaneb!
00:18:47 <oerjan> good night
00:19:26 <Taneb> :)
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01:27:00 <oerjan> beware of the topic
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01:34:33 <Jafet> The risk is merely topical.
01:34:59 <oerjan> well but it's particularly high today (tomorrow for you americans)
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02:22:51 <Jafet> Et tu, oerjan?
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03:10:49 <Sgeo> ) 1 + 1
03:10:49 <jconn> Sgeo: 2
03:10:52 <Sgeo> ( 1 + 1
03:10:56 <Sgeo> :(
03:12:16 <Jafet> ^bf +>+[-<+>]<.
03:12:16 <fungot>
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03:32:31 <Sgeo> 17:14:05 --- nick: idris-ircslave -> 23LAATE3Q
03:32:34 <Sgeo> What was that about?
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04:45:56 <Melvar> Sgeo: Bogosity due to netsplits and -joins.
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04:56:00 <Sgeo> ( the (a ** b) (5 ** "hi")
04:56:01 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:11:No such variable b
04:56:20 <Sgeo> ( the (a ** String) (5 ** "hi")
04:56:20 <idris-ircslave> (5 ** "hi") : (a ** String)
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05:04:41 <copumpkin> wat
05:06:36 <Sgeo> A dependent pair where the proof's type isn't actually dependent on the witness
05:07:48 <Sgeo> Almost wish you could do useful things with Types, make (t ** t) effectively be the typed of runtime-tagged values, practically dynamic typing
05:08:11 <Sgeo> ( the (t ** t) (Int ** 5)
05:08:14 <idris-ircslave> (Int ** 5) : (t ** t)
05:11:10 <Sgeo> Totally useless but heterogeneous vector
05:12:25 <Sgeo> > the (Vect 3 (t ** t)) $ [(Int ** 5), (String ** "Hello"), ((a -> a) ** id)]
05:12:27 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'Not in scope: data constructor `Vect'Not in scope: data c...
05:12:27 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:61:No such variable a
05:12:27 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant one of these:
05:12:27 <lambdabot> `In' (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted),
05:12:27 <lambdabot> `InR' (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted)Not in scope: d...
05:12:29 <Sgeo> oops
05:12:51 <Sgeo> ( the (Vect 3 (t ** t)) $ [(Int ** 5), (String ** "Hello"), (({a : Type} -> a -> a) ** id)]
05:12:53 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:25: error: expected: operator
05:12:53 <idris-ircslave> the (Vect 3 (t ** t)) $ [(Int ** 5), (String ** "Hello"), (({a : Type} -> a ->>
05:12:53 <idris-ircslave> ^
05:13:15 <Sgeo> ( the (Vect 3 (t ** t)) $ [(Int ** 5), (String ** "Hello"), (((a : Type) -> a -> a) ** the)]
05:13:22 <idris-ircslave> [(Int ** 5), (String ** "Hello"), ((a124 : Type) -> a124 -> a124 ** the)] : Vect 3 (t ** t)
05:13:44 <copumpkin> Sgeo: I was mostly puzzled by the unconstrained a variable
05:14:10 <Sgeo> Implies implicit argument
05:14:14 <Sgeo> I believe
05:14:19 <Sgeo> Although ** is syntax sugar
05:16:51 <copumpkin> [00:56:20] <idris-ircslave> (5 ** "hi") : (a ** String)
05:16:54 <copumpkin> that
05:17:14 <copumpkin> ( :t 5
05:17:14 <idris-ircslave> fromInteger 5 : Integer
05:17:19 <copumpkin> ( :t 5 : a
05:17:19 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:1: error: expected: end of input,
05:17:19 <idris-ircslave> operator
05:17:19 <idris-ircslave> :t 5 : a<EOF>
05:17:19 <idris-ircslave> ^
05:17:20 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
05:17:22 <copumpkin> ( :t the a 5
05:17:22 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:8:No such variable a
05:17:37 <copumpkin> oh I see
05:17:39 <copumpkin> it's a binder
05:17:56 <copumpkin> wait, is it?
05:18:02 <copumpkin> no
05:19:53 <Jafet> ( Z -- y x
05:19:53 <idris-ircslave> 0 : Nat
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07:23:59 <Sgeo> ( the Type 5
07:23:59 <idris-ircslave> Can't resolve type class Num Type
07:24:05 <Sgeo> Worth a shot
07:26:59 <Bike> was it, sgeo? or have you now violated your most cherished moral principles
07:29:32 <Sgeo> Hey, if Int can be a Type 1 and a Type 2 and a Type 3 and ... why shouldn't something lower down be able to participate?
07:30:35 <Bike> Int can be a Type 2?
07:31:43 <Sgeo> ( the (Vect 2 Type) [Int, Type]
07:31:43 <idris-ircslave> [Int, Type] : Vect 2 Type
07:32:09 <Sgeo> That Type in the type signature of that has to be Type 1
07:32:22 <Sgeo> I think
07:32:36 <Bike> this seems kind of dumb.
07:36:35 <shikhin> Um, silly question, but if you're on cell 0 in brainfuck, and you do '<', what's the expected behavior?
07:41:54 <Bike> i think it depends on implementation
07:42:25 <Bike> sometimes the tape goes infinitely left, sometimes you get an error, sometimes monkeys fly out your nose, that kinda thing?
07:42:34 <shikhin> Good enough.
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08:51:36 <Sgeo> ( :t 'Foo
08:51:38 <idris-ircslave> 'Foo : Type
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09:09:43 <Sgeo> ( :t Eff
09:09:44 <idris-ircslave> No such variable Eff
09:09:45 <Sgeo> aww
09:10:04 <Sgeo> Melvar: Should I assume effects will always be a no-go for idris-ircslave?
09:12:43 <Sgeo> Yay, I'm "Talkative" on StackOverflow
09:18:23 <fizzie> (I hope that at least requires a space after the paren.)
09:18:28 <fizzie> (Guess so.)
09:19:19 <Sgeo> ( the ((a : Type) -> a -> a) the
09:19:20 <idris-ircslave> the : (a : Type) -> a -> a
09:19:29 <Sgeo> ( :t o
09:19:29 <idris-ircslave> No such variable o
09:19:33 <Sgeo> ( :t (.)
09:19:33 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Basics.. : (b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c
09:19:33 <idris-ircslave> Control.Category.. : Category cat => (cat b c) -> (cat a b) -> cat a c
09:20:04 <Sgeo> What's a simple dependently typed function that might fail with .
09:21:45 <Taneb> 9:15 is the worst time to wake up for an 8:55 train
09:22:20 <Sgeo> ( (the . id) Nat 5
09:22:21 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:12:No such variable a
09:22:47 <Sgeo> ( (id . the) Nat 5
09:22:48 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:12:No such variable a
09:22:52 <Sgeo> :t id . the
09:22:54 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `the'
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09:22:58 <Sgeo> ( :t id . the
09:22:59 <idris-ircslave> (input):0:0:No such variable a
09:23:05 <Sgeo> ( :t (id .)
09:23:05 <idris-ircslave> Can't disambiguate name: Prelude.Basics.., Control.Category..
09:23:13 <Sgeo> ( :t (id Prelude.Basics.)
09:23:13 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:8:No such variable Prelude.Basics.
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09:23:19 <Sgeo> ( :t (id Prelude.Basics..)
09:23:19 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:8:No such variable Prelude.Basics..
09:23:26 <Sgeo> ( :t (id (Prelude.Basics..))
09:23:27 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:9:No such variable Prelude.Basics..
09:23:29 <Sgeo> :/
09:24:57 <Taneb> You and me both
09:24:58 <fizzie> ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) calculated to balance things for this month, so far.
09:25:19 <Sgeo> ) 1 2 3 + 4 5 6
09:25:20 <jconn> Sgeo: 5 7 9
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09:28:58 <fizzie> Actually, based on my current set of logs starting from 2009-03, we actually need 19291 extra opening parens, and my "balancing" just made the total situation worse.
09:29:12 <fizzie> Wonder where all those closing parens come from; there hasn't been *that* much jconn use.
09:29:24 <olsner> how many come from fungot?
09:29:24 <fungot> olsner: " i want as much as i loathe how you've manipulated my friends and i are a bit, and if the good. or any room with. simple math dictates the futility of your effort, i have made, it will now go and i will give you my motives and they were not to your liking, would i be carrying our monthly" says that's what my dad, and my time that you are under the empire that has been so deeply disappoi--
09:31:51 <fizzie> olsner: ...actually it's almost all from ":)" and the like...
09:32:16 <olsner> hmm, that makes sense
09:32:44 <olsner> time to start writing (:
09:34:34 <fizzie> Or just be :( all the time.
09:35:32 <Sgeo> 19291 palindromic parentheses
09:48:27 <oklopol> fizzie: :)
09:48:30 <oklopol> oh
09:48:36 <oklopol> i guess that was answered.
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12:03:57 <Melvar> Sgeo, Taneb: It’s “Namespace.(*~)”, the pretty-printer is just still buggy on that bit.
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12:19:19 <FireFly> ( :t the
12:19:19 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Basics.the : (a : Type) -> a -> a
12:31:51 <boily> ( :t the larch
12:31:51 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:8:No such variable larch
12:37:21 <FreeFull> > 3+3
12:37:21 <idris-ircslave> 6 : Integer
12:37:22 <lambdabot> 6
12:37:34 <FreeFull> idris-ircslave should be configured to not accept > outside of #idris
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12:45:54 <Melvar> It doesn’t have any configuration. At all.
12:46:04 <Taneb> ( the Integer 3
12:46:04 <idris-ircslave> 3 : Integer
12:47:00 <Melvar> ( the (Fin 5) 3
12:47:00 <idris-ircslave> fS (fS (fS fZ)) : Fin 5
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12:57:08 <boily> ( the (Fin 10) 3
12:57:08 <idris-ircslave> fS (fS (fS fZ)) : Fin 10
12:57:21 <boily> ( the (Fin 0) 1
12:57:21 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
12:57:21 <idris-ircslave> IsJust (Just x)
12:57:21 <idris-ircslave> with
12:57:21 <idris-ircslave> IsJust (integerToFin 1 (fromInteger 0))
12:57:21 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
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13:29:47 <Taneb> Hallo oerjan
13:30:04 <oerjan> Ave Taneb
13:30:16 <oerjan> Jafetque
13:32:08 <ion> TIL Nethack, Dungeon Crawl and others are based on octagonal tiles in a hyperbolic space. https://github.com/mhwombat/grid/wiki/Octagonal-tiles
13:33:01 <oerjan> wat
13:33:57 <elliott> fizzie: I sort of think the wiki should have full specs when possible
13:34:01 <elliott> for archive purposes
13:35:17 <Taneb> I agree
13:37:14 <oerjan> ion: um i am quite suspicious that the connection graphs are the same.
13:37:49 <Jafet> ion: still can't beat the projective 3D goban
13:37:52 <oerjan> like because hyperbolic tilings usually grow exponentially by level, iirc
13:40:54 <Jafet> Well, they become the same if you merge a few to save space (Haskell is after all very bad with memory and we should help it out whenever possible)
13:41:10 <oerjan> OKAY
13:43:19 <oerjan> yep, not the same as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uniform_tiling_83-t0.png
13:43:54 <ion> If you place a shape, such as a circle or a square, around (0,0) in https://raw.github.com/mhwombat/grid/master/userguide/images/UnboundedOctGrid.png and start growing the shape, the number of tiles its boundaries touch grows more or less like hyperbolic space, no?
13:44:14 <oerjan> while a cell has 8 neigbors by both countings, those 9 cells have 16 other neighbors in total with the diagonal stuff, but 32 in the hyperbolic one.
13:45:28 <oerjan> which i think is a "no" to your question.
13:46:11 <ion> ok
13:46:33 <oerjan> basically, the moore neighborhood "disks" grow linearly sized boundaries, not exponential
13:48:51 <Jafet> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/81624/how-do-computers-work
13:49:21 <oerjan> in fact that hyperbolic picture gets a little hard to read at the next step, but i _think_ it quadruples every new distance.
13:50:00 <oerjan> well logically it should, since it's uniform.
13:50:40 <Jafet> "Another distinctive property is the amount of space covered by the n-ball in hyperbolic n-space: it increases exponentially with respect to the radius of the ball, rather than polynomially."
13:51:16 <boily> Jafet: don't post that kind of link after a reading binge of creepy and horror stories. I am now scared post-shitless.
13:51:21 <oerjan> oh hm wait that's not true, some of them have only 3.
13:52:10 <Jafet> boily: http://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454
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13:52:54 <boily> Jafet: ah, a classic! I always keep a copy of that one on every machine I own :D
13:53:08 <boily> (reminds me to copy it to my newest acquisition)
13:53:24 <Jafet> The text near the end is actually an amazing test for font rendering
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13:55:18 <Jafet> oerjan: the border of the image is so tattered that it puts the accuracy of the diagram into question
13:55:31 <oerjan> i suppose
13:57:05 <oerjan> but i think it's actually meant to be varying for two types of octagons at distance 2, according to whether they themselves bound 1 or 2 at distance 1.
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13:58:04 <boily> TIL: it's en:octagon, but fr:octogon.
13:58:08 <oerjan> the former have 3 exclusive neigbors and 2 more shared on each side, the latter have 2 and 2.
13:58:14 <boily> s/n\./ne./
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14:05:05 <oerjan> hm apparently it's oktogon in norwegian.
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14:06:52 <mroman> hu
14:07:52 <oerjan> Du latin octogonos, lui-même issu du grec ancien ὀκτώ, oktô (« huit ») et γωνία, gônia (« angle »).
14:08:12 <oerjan> i suspect the latins latinized the vowel a bit.
14:08:42 <oerjan> First attested in 1656, from Latin octagonos, from Ancient Greek οκτάγωνος (oktágōnos, “eight-angled”), from ὀκτώ (octō, “eight”) + γωνία (gōnía, “angle”).
14:09:00 <oerjan> sometimes.
14:09:26 <boily> ça fait du sens.
14:09:49 <oerjan> otoh it's latin "octave"
14:09:58 <oerjan> which is pure latin afaik.
14:10:45 <oerjan> (given that it's the common ordinal)
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14:14:09 <boily> but then latin has "octō".
14:14:12 <boily> Latin+ ūnus duo trēs quattuor quinque sex septem octō novem decem
14:14:14 <boily> Greek éna đío tría téssera pénde éksi eftá oxtó ennéa đéka
14:14:49 <oerjan> that's modern greek, the ancient pronunciation was different see table in https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BD%80%CE%BA%CF%84%CF%8E
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14:16:18 <oerjan> also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCFXGanTx4A
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14:20:21 <boily> `relcome password2
14:20:35 <oerjan> ^welcome password2
14:20:35 <fungot> password2: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esote ...
14:20:35 <boily> Gregor: IEUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! I SHALL MAPOLE YOU!
14:20:47 <oerjan> fungot: stop being so brief
14:20:47 <fungot> oerjan: of, for-- what does that do? the guild" only worked because belkar and i are a bit, and if my whole life was just leading to one big anticlimax?
14:21:12 <boily> oerjan: but that clip only has one two three four. what about the Pronunciation of Eight?
14:21:29 <boily> (btw, nice fungotrick.)
14:21:29 <fungot> boily: good, good. my partner and i were to be connected to anything especialy scandalous. tell him that i said this is where that king guy is as you say that, i thought that the surname came first in feudal deal there and get started, just put my " thank my lord only gave you the really bad, belkar
14:21:40 <oerjan> boily: i am pretty sure at one point in the movie she shouts "oktogonta!"
14:21:58 <oerjan> (when haggling over their rent)
14:22:35 <oerjan> or possibly oxtogonta.
14:23:33 <boily> I need to spend more time watching old movies.
14:24:43 <oerjan> well it's been a while since i saw it.
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14:26:34 <boily> trhellomp.
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14:26:49 <boily> Gregor: thanks!
14:27:04 <boily> `thanks Gregor
14:27:06 <HackEgo> No output.
14:27:12 <boily> `thank Gregor
14:27:12 <HackEgo> No output.
14:27:14 <boily> ...
14:27:36 <boily> `? canada
14:27:36 <HackEgo> No output.
14:28:21 * oerjan suspects foul
14:28:34 <Melvar> oerjan: ‘x’ indicating what there?
14:28:39 <olsner> oh, so tesseract means four-something, finally makes sense
14:29:15 <oerjan> Melvar: the ipa sound, i guess?
14:29:49 <oerjan> `
14:29:49 <HackEgo> No output.
14:29:55 <boily> ```
14:29:56 <HackEgo> No output.
14:30:09 <boily> I think a little mapoling is in order at this point.
14:30:11 <oerjan> `you're not really HackEgo are you. since when do you join from an unnamed ip.
14:30:12 <HackEgo> No output.
14:30:39 * boily artfully, tesseratically swings his mapole over at Gracenotes
14:30:44 <Melvar> Okay. Just checking, ‘χ’ versus ‘ξ’ and stuff.
14:30:47 <boily> s/Gracenotes/Gregor/
14:31:05 <password2> oh hai
14:31:13 <oerjan> Melvar: see the historical pronunciations at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BD%80%CE%BA%CF%84%CF%8E
14:32:04 <Gregor> Yeah, I'm not really sure what's goin' on right now...
14:32:54 <Melvar> Ohhuh. /x/ from ‹κ›, hadn’t heard of that change.
14:33:10 <oerjan> Gregor: is that actually your bot or is it just someone else faking
14:33:14 <boily> password2: so, what brings you over to #esoteric by this fine Saturday morning?
14:33:20 <Gregor> It's my bot.
14:33:23 <Gregor> But it's muy broken.
14:33:24 <oerjan> oops
14:33:57 <boily> fungot: with your sentience, can you achieve a HackEgo Impersonation?
14:33:57 <fungot> boily: i know, i was, uh, any reason... there's no one here but us? we just dueled, he had a name, in accordance with your orders when he instructed the orcs and told me
14:34:06 <oerjan> the repository looks ok
14:34:13 <Gregor> Yeah, it's not that.
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14:35:10 <olsner> the problem seems to be that everything gives "No output." instead of e.g. an error
14:35:28 <oerjan> `fnordly go
14:35:34 <oerjan> oh it already went
14:49:41 <oerjan> @r
14:49:41 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: rc reconnect remember repoint roll run v @ ? .
14:49:45 <oerjan> @ru
14:49:46 <lambdabot> not an expression: `'
14:51:46 <password2> well boily , i have joined this channel a while ago
14:52:12 <boily> password2: ah? >_>'...
14:56:39 <password2> :)
14:57:23 <oerjan> ( :t Fin
14:57:23 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Fin.Fin : Nat -> Type
14:57:47 <olsner> what is that? it looks vaguely haskelly but not quite
14:58:21 <oerjan> "idris" hth
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15:10:00 <Melvar> ( :doc Fin
15:10:00 <idris-ircslave> Data type Fin : Nat -> Type
15:10:00 <idris-ircslave> Numbers strictly less than some bound. The name comes from "finite sets"
15:10:00 <idris-ircslave> Arguments:
15:10:00 <idris-ircslave> n : Nat -- the upper bound
15:10:00 <idris-ircslave> Constructors:↵…
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15:14:22 <Melvar> (Thus, Fin n is inhabited by exactly n values.)
15:15:24 <boily> ah, so that's why (Fin 0) 1 doesn't work.
15:16:05 <Melvar> Fin 0 is uninhabited.
15:16:48 <Melvar> ( the (Fin 1) 0
15:16:48 <idris-ircslave> fZ : Fin 1
15:17:22 <Melvar> ( the (Fin 1) 1
15:17:22 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
15:17:22 <idris-ircslave> IsJust (Just x)
15:17:22 <idris-ircslave> with
15:17:22 <idris-ircslave> IsJust (integerToFin 1 (fromInteger 1))
15:17:22 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
15:17:58 <Melvar> I hope the bit of error reflection that turns that into a more digestible message is merged soon.
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15:48:13 <oerjan> `echo hi
15:48:19 <HackEgo> No output.
15:48:24 <oerjan> Gregor: *cough*
15:53:14 <boily> time to phở.
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16:08:28 <oerjan> ) :t zipWith
16:08:29 <jconn> oerjan: |syntax error
16:08:29 <jconn> oerjan: | :t zipWith
16:08:34 <oerjan> ( :t zipWith
16:08:35 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.List.zipWith : (a -> b -> c) -> (l : List a) -> (r : List b) -> (length l = length r) -> List c
16:08:35 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Stream.zipWith : (a -> b -> c) -> (Stream a) -> (Stream b) -> Stream c
16:08:35 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Vect.zipWith : (a -> b -> c) -> (Vect n a) -> (Vect n b) -> Vect n c
16:10:07 <oerjan> ( let fib = 1 :: 1 :: zipWith (+) fib (tail fib) in fib
16:10:09 <idris-ircslave> Can't disambiguate name: Data.HVect.::, Prelude.List.::, Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, Prelude.Stream.::, Prelude.Vect.::
16:10:36 <oerjan> ( let fib = the (Stream Integer) (1 :: 1 :: zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)) in fib
16:10:36 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
16:10:37 <idris-ircslave> Vect n c
16:10:37 <idris-ircslave> with
16:10:37 <idris-ircslave> Stream Integer
16:10:37 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
16:10:46 <oerjan> hm...
16:10:50 <oerjan> ( :t (::)
16:10:50 <idris-ircslave> Data.HVect.:: : t -> (HVect ts) -> HVect (t :: ts)
16:10:51 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.List.:: : a -> (List a) -> List a
16:10:51 <idris-ircslave> Data.Vect.Quantifiers.:: : (P x) -> (All P xs) -> All P (x :: xs)
16:10:51 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Stream.:: : a -> (Lazy (Stream a)) -> Stream a
16:10:51 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Vect.:: : a -> (Vect n a) -> Vect (S n) a
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16:11:13 <oerjan> ( :t Lazy
16:11:13 <idris-ircslave> Lazy : Type -> Type
16:11:48 <oerjan> ( let fib = the (Lazy (Stream Integer)) (1 :: 1 :: zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)) in fib
16:11:48 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
16:11:48 <idris-ircslave> Vect n c
16:11:48 <idris-ircslave> with
16:11:48 <idris-ircslave> Stream Integer
16:11:48 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
16:12:07 <oerjan> this type inference isn't very reliable.
16:12:37 <oerjan> ( let fib : Lazy (Stream Integer); fib = 1 :: 1 :: zipWith (+) fib (tail fib) in fib
16:12:37 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:9: error: expected: "="
16:12:38 <idris-ircslave> let fib : Lazy (Stream Integer); fib = 1 :: 1 :: zipWith (+) fib (tail fib) in>
16:12:38 <idris-ircslave> ^
16:13:04 <oerjan> ...you cannot use : in let?
16:13:39 <oerjan> ( :doc Stream
16:13:40 <idris-ircslave> Data type Stream : Type -> Type
16:13:40 <idris-ircslave> An infinite stream
16:13:40 <idris-ircslave> Arguments:
16:13:40 <idris-ircslave> __pi_arg : Type
16:13:40 <idris-ircslave> Constructors:↵…
16:13:59 <oerjan> ( :doc Lazy
16:14:00 <idris-ircslave> Data type Lazy : Type -> Type
16:14:00 <idris-ircslave> Arguments:
16:14:00 <idris-ircslave> __pi_arg : Type
16:14:00 <idris-ircslave> Constructors:
16:14:00 <idris-ircslave> Delay : a -> Lazy a↵…
16:14:04 <oerjan> hm...
16:14:33 <oerjan> ( let fib = Delay (1 :: 1 :: zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)) in fib
16:14:33 <idris-ircslave> Can't disambiguate name: Data.HVect.::, Prelude.List.::, Data.Vect.Quantifiers.::, Prelude.Stream.::, Prelude.Vect.::
16:15:17 <oerjan> ( let fib = Delay (the (Stream Integer) (1 :: 1 :: zipWith (+) fib (tail fib))) in fib
16:15:17 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
16:15:18 <idris-ircslave> Vect n c
16:15:18 <idris-ircslave> with
16:15:18 <idris-ircslave> Stream Integer
16:15:18 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
16:16:15 <oerjan> ( let fib = Delay (1 :: 1 :: Prelude.Stream.zipWith (+) fib (tail fib))) in fib
16:16:16 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:70: error: expected: "$",
16:16:16 <idris-ircslave> "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***",
16:16:16 <idris-ircslave> "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/",
16:16:16 <idris-ircslave> "/=", ":+", "::", "<", "<$",
16:16:16 <idris-ircslave> "<$>", "<*>", "<+>", "<->",↵…
16:16:31 <oerjan> ( let fib = Delay (1 :: 1 :: Prelude.Stream.zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)) in fib
16:16:31 <idris-ircslave> Can't unify
16:16:31 <idris-ircslave> Nat -> Nat
16:16:31 <idris-ircslave> with
16:16:31 <idris-ircslave> Stream Nat
16:16:31 <idris-ircslave> Specifically:↵…
16:18:22 <oerjan> ( let fib = Delay (1 Prelude.Stream.:: 1 Prelude.Stream.:: Prelude.Stream.zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)) in fib
16:18:22 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:20:No such variable Prelude.Stream.
16:18:47 <oerjan> ( let fib = Delay (1 Prelude.Stream.(::) 1 Prelude.Stream.(::) Prelude.Stream.zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)) in fib
16:18:47 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:20:Can't infer type for (|(|fromInteger 1 , fromInteger 1 , |) , 1 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 1 , |) (::)
16:19:10 <oerjan> ( let fib = Delay ((the Integer 1) Prelude.Stream.(::) 1 Prelude.Stream.(::) Prelude.Stream.zipWith (+) fib (tail fib)) in fib
16:19:10 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:34:the Integer (fromInteger 1) does not have a function type (Integer)
16:19:37 <oerjan> ( :t tail
16:19:39 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.List.tail : (l : List a) -> (isCons l = True) -> List a
16:19:39 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Stream.tail : (Stream a) -> Stream a
16:19:39 <idris-ircslave> Prelude.Vect.tail : (Vect (S n) a) -> Vect n a
16:20:40 <oerjan> ( let s = (the Integer 1) Prelude.Stream.(::) s in s
16:20:40 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:25:the Integer (fromInteger 1) does not have a function type (Integer)
16:20:54 <oerjan> ( let s = (the Integer 1) `Prelude.Stream.(::)` s in s
16:20:54 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:47:No such variable s
16:21:45 <oerjan> ( let s = (the Integer 1) `Prelude.Stream.(::)` (Delay s) in s
16:21:45 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:54:No such variable s
16:30:14 <Melvar> oerjan: What are you trying to do?
16:30:31 <oerjan> make a fibonacci stream
16:30:59 <oerjan> ( let rec s = (the Integer 1) `Prelude.Stream.(::)` (Delay s) in s
16:31:00 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:58:No such variable s
16:31:23 <Melvar> > let fibs = with Stream 0 :: 1 :: [| fibs + tail fibs |] in take 10 fibs
16:31:24 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:37:No such variable fibs
16:31:24 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:29: Illegal literal in type (use -XDataKinds to enable): 1
16:31:33 <Melvar> ( let fibs = with Stream 0 :: 1 :: [| fibs + tail fibs |] in take 10 fibs
16:31:33 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:37:No such variable fibs
16:31:50 <Melvar> Ah, right. No letrec.
16:32:07 <oerjan> so only functions can recurse?
16:32:36 <oerjan> or, recursion only at top level?
16:32:53 <Melvar> Only top-level and where-clause defns, I think.
16:33:01 <oerjan> aha... hm
16:33:58 <Melvar> “fibs : Stream Nat ; fibs = 0 :: 1 :: [| fibs + tail fibs |]” in a file should work.
16:34:16 <oerjan> ( let fibs = fibs' where fibs' = with Stream 0 :: 1 :: [| fibs' + tail fibs' |] in take 10 fibs
16:34:17 <idris-ircslave> (input):1:18: error: expected: "$",
16:34:17 <idris-ircslave> "$>", "&&", "&&&", "*", "***",
16:34:17 <idris-ircslave> "+", "++", "-", "->", ".", "/",
16:34:17 <idris-ircslave> "/=", ":+", "::", "<", "<$",
16:34:17 <idris-ircslave> "<$>", "<*>", "<+>", "<->",↵…
16:34:18 <Melvar> That’s also not recursion, but corecursion; in idris the difference is significant.
16:35:13 <oerjan> no where clauses in let definitions?
16:36:04 <oerjan> if you borrow haskell syntax, you should do it _properly_ :(
16:39:31 <Melvar> It started out whitespace-insensitive, it has grown more like Haskell syntax since …
16:40:33 <oerjan> cargo cult haskell syntax >:)
16:46:51 <Melvar> Mainly because whitespace-insensitive was easier to implement; it’s largely a research language.
16:55:01 <Jafet> U+237B NOT CHECK MARK appears before U+2713 CHECK MARK. ✓
16:55:22 <oerjan> i guess they forgot to check that
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17:05:56 <kmc> I hope they implemented whitespace as sugar for punctuation, like Haskell
17:14:53 <Melvar> kmc: Well, it’s not sugar as such; the parser checks indents rather than lexing and preprocessing indents into blocks before continuing (which IIRC is what is done for Haskell). But you can use whitespace and {;} alternatively, yes.
17:19:02 <kmc> is that difference observable in the language specification
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17:20:51 <Melvar> There is no specification. Just research papers that describe some of the foundations and features.
17:22:48 <kmc> sure, I mean hypothetically
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17:29:16 <Melvar> Well, the implementation approaches can be made to behave exactly the same, but I’m guessing that the actual Idris implementation parses some edge cases differently even in the language constructs that Idris and Haskell share, and this is not necessarily always considered a bug.
17:29:26 <Melvar> There are almost certainly still outright bugs though.
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18:36:26 <boily> `relcome password2 (because I can :D)
18:36:26 <HackEgo> No output.
18:38:16 <password2> :D
18:38:47 <password2> I like the randomness of this channel
18:59:48 <password2> hows it going here
19:08:57 <boily> I lunched at a Vietnamese restaurant, then went grocery shopping, coffee shopping, and now I'm back home playing DCSS.
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19:57:33 <kmc> http://i.imgur.com/hTcbghi.jpg
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20:08:08 <Taneb> Today I bought an apple and ate it, entirely of my own volition. I... don't know who I am any more
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20:11:41 <boily> Taneb: if you are having identity troubles, you should become Canadian. it's a very sane choice.
20:11:54 <boily> kmc: shiny racoons!
20:12:20 <Taneb> boily, I am still reasonably confident about my nationality
20:12:24 <Taneb> Merely not my diet
20:16:12 <password2> oh yeah , i now have an irc bot running
20:16:37 <Taneb> Is it written in Piet
20:17:49 <password2> nope
20:17:51 <password2> c++
20:18:52 <Taneb> Shame
20:19:53 <password2> but its aim is to interpret bf
20:20:01 <Taneb> Double shame
20:20:10 <password2> -_-
20:23:09 <password2> for now it just sit in a room and responds to hello
20:23:43 <fizzie> fungot: Hello.
20:23:43 <fungot> fizzie: and my soul and nev'r... actually, y'know, the rune over behind xkyon's throne labeled " castle blowing her cover.
20:23:57 <fizzie> This new style is not very good. :/
20:24:14 <boily> Taneb: Canadianness isn't just a nationality. it's a State of Mind. it's a Temperature. it's Kraft Dinner, too!
20:24:37 <boily> fizzie: it already had some interesting moments, but I concur. I think my favourite is the lovecraft one.
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20:24:45 <Taneb> But I was going to make chilli and cheese sandwich things
20:25:07 <olsner> but you had an apple instead?
20:25:25 <Taneb> olsner, the apple was for the walk home from the shop
20:25:26 <fizzie> boily: I'm partial to europarl, for some reason. (And the "irc" style, which was in fact the first.)
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20:25:35 <Taneb> ^style
20:25:35 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
20:25:43 <Taneb> ^style enron
20:25:43 <fungot> Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset)
20:25:52 <Taneb> fungot, how do I deseed a chilli
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20:25:52 <fungot> Taneb: for an email. check on the appropriate. april brazil mark t. d. anderson will get to know that the issue of how the attached schedule of the plane that landed a job.
20:25:59 <olsner> ^style jargon
20:25:59 <fungot> Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive)
20:26:02 <olsner> jarg it on fungot
20:26:03 <fungot> olsner: ack, i've gotten more help than criticism from its alumni.
20:26:43 <Taneb> Hmm, I prefer hotter food, should I leave the seeds in, fungot?
20:26:43 <fungot> Taneb: to the root directory and then return to the superficial dogma of the
20:27:19 <Taneb> Helpful as always
20:27:49 <olsner> deseeding is overkill in my experience, doesn't seem to matter if there are seeds or not
20:28:00 <Taneb> `thanks olsner
20:28:01 <HackEgo> No output.
20:28:05 <Taneb> `thanks HackEgo
20:28:05 <HackEgo> No output.
20:28:07 <Taneb> `ls
20:28:07 <HackEgo> No output.
20:28:21 <Taneb> Thanks, olsner. Tholsner.
20:28:29 <olsner> perhaps it's hotter? but just use less next time if it gets too hot
20:28:59 <Taneb> Oh man, the recipe says use four chillies, but I only bought three :)
20:29:01 <Taneb> *:(
20:30:52 <boily> do you have any hot sauce? tomato paste?
20:31:04 <olsner> a different recipe?
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20:32:39 <Taneb> I could just spread it thinner
20:32:45 <Taneb> It's only baked sandwiches
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21:06:00 <fizzie> ^thanks olsner
21:06:00 <fungot> Thanks, olsner. Tholsner.
21:06:23 <fizzie> Replacing HackEgo, one command at a time.
21:06:43 <fizzie> Disclaimer: may have bugs.
21:06:49 <fizzie> ^thanks blorg
21:06:49 <fungot> Thanks, blorg. Thorg.
21:07:15 <fizzie> If it doesn't have any, then it should have the same semantics as `thanks.
21:08:04 <olsner> the semantics of `thanks luckily doesn't depend too much on the output
21:08:29 <fizzie> ^show thanks
21:08:29 <fungot> >2,[>,]+15[>+6>+7>+3>+2<4-]>-6.>-.-7.+13.-3.+8.>-.>+2.<5[<]>[.>]>3+2.>.<3.<2[<]>[[-<2+>+>]+<-97[-4[-4[-6[-6[-4[>-<[-]]]]]]]>[[>]>2-11.<3[<]<.>3[.>]>3.>5][-]>]<3[[<]>2[.>]>5.>2]
21:09:12 <olsner> great way to show thanks, fungot
21:09:12 <fungot> olsner: didn't you think i'm using it as it were the greatest new idea since the counter was big enough, zwgc has an opening for a routing entry first in the header ( as set forth in the file
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21:18:39 <nortti> how would one cleanly search for 3 sequential lines conforming to same regex using standard unix commandset?
21:21:54 <nortti> never mind, awk and counter var
21:29:32 <mroman> standard unix commandset
21:29:33 <mroman> BORING
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22:05:30 <Sgeo_> https://github.com/idris-lang/Idris-dev/issues/287#issuecomment-37738942
22:07:44 * Sgeo_ doesn't actually know what's going on in that code
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22:27:34 <Sgeo_> Except possibly totality checker merely not active
22:28:19 <oerjan> `run echo hi >testy
22:28:20 <HackEgo> No output.
22:28:49 <oerjan> ok it's definitely not getting into the repository.
22:35:34 <oerjan> ^thanks hm
22:35:34 <fungot> Thanks, hm. Tm.
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22:38:28 <boily> `learn TEST TEST TEST! TEST TEST TEST!
22:38:28 <HackEgo> No output.
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22:46:02 <boily> (still crawling. just got the Sword of Zonguldrok!)
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23:09:10 <ion> http://fratti.ch/spaghetti/airlessarchives69%20-%20%5bArchive%5d%20Unboxing%202012%20McDonalds%20My%20Little%20Pony%20Toys.webm
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