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How unusual 04:29:31 -!- vravn has quit (Excess Flood). 04:30:09 -!- shikhin has joined. 04:32:27 -!- vravn has joined. 04:38:44 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 04:44:57 The two cards which can beat a 59eye1Mewtwo deck have many things in common: Both are level fifteen, both are weak to fire and resisted to nothing, both cards can evolve into two further stages... 04:47:15 As far as I can tell they are the only two cards in PokemonCardGB2 which will beat it. 04:51:16 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 05:06:10 one card can beat an entire deck? 05:06:51 Yes, although this "entire deck" is just one card and the rest are energy. 05:07:04 Same thing with the deck consisting of the other card; it has to be one card and the rest are energy. 05:07:59 -!- Sorella has quit (Quit: It is tiem!). 05:16:28 zzo38: you mean that deck can beat any deck that isn't one of those two cards plus energy? 05:16:37 that sounds ridiculously broken 05:25:09 quintopia: No, that isn't what I mean. 05:25:21 In most cases one or the other might win. 05:25:59 the deck being beaten is the one with only a card plus energy. 05:26:39 Both decks consist of just one non-basic-energy card. 05:27:54 For my report, so that you can see what I mean, see: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/59eye1mewtwo.txt 05:29:50 The only reason it is "ridiculously broken" is because most people still play Constructed. 05:36:16 -!- conehead has joined. 05:39:31 Maybe you know of other cards which can? 05:39:45 Or, cards which beat the deck which beats that one? 05:41:12 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:49:25 Let's see which card can beat BULBASAUR [Lv15] but that MEWTWO [Lv53] beats it. 05:53:31 -!- Tod-Autojoined has quit (Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something.). 06:00:18 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:00:32 -!- Slereahphone has joined. 06:03:08 -!- Slereahphone has quit (Client Quit). 06:10:17 -!- shikhout has joined. 06:13:26 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:13:26 -!- shikhout has changed nick to shikhin. 06:19:11 I found no card which satisfies these conditions. 06:27:53 How urgent is it for me to replace the idris bot with one that doesn't collide with lambdabot? 06:29:51 more important than your life. 06:30:27 You can disable the function that collides with lambdabot 06:30:55 You can make it if send a message by private or starting with its name and a colon, it will activate, unless the message is a NOTICE. 06:33:41 -!- TodPunk has joined. 07:21:17 -!- FreeFull has quit. 07:22:26 -!- Slereahphone has joined. 07:26:36 -!- Slereahphone has quit (Client Quit). 07:30:28 -!- Slereahphone has joined. 07:32:49 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:34:13 -!- vravn has quit (Excess Flood). 07:37:26 -!- vravn has joined. 07:37:56 -!- Slereahphone has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:39:12 -!- prooftechnique has quit (Quit: leaving). 07:39:29 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 07:41:18 -!- Bike has joined. 07:46:17 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 08:39:06 I made up 16-bits instruction set today. It has eight addressing modes: R [R] [R++] [--R] [R+I] [R+[I]] [[R]+I] [[R]+[I]] 08:39:31 It also has eight registers; the stack pointer and program counter are also considered general-purpose registers. 08:41:54 It has thirty "2OP" instructions, sixteen "1OP" instructions, and one "0OP" instruction. 2OPs are: LEA MOV MZS MZC MCS MCC MNS MNC ADD ADC SUB SBC AND IOR XOR ANN CMP MSK LDI STI LLO LHO SLO SHO DAD DAC DSB DSC SHD AAB. 1OPs are: LSH LSC RSH RSC INC DEC LFL SFL SIA ASR SIS REV PMI DBN BZE BNZ. 0OPs are: FLG. 08:44:56 -!- tromp has joined. 08:49:21 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:52:56 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:03:43 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 09:06:53 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:07:33 Do you know of any other instructions sets where there isn't a normal uncondition branch instruction and you use something like MOV P,[P++] instead? 09:12:07 ARM can do things like that (for example returning can be done as pop pc), but it also has "normal" branch instructions 09:12:39 Why do you need normal branch instructions if it has that? 09:12:44 Sgeo: sometimes i'm more patient than i expect. sometimes less. 09:14:11 because they are shorter - 32 bits of instruction has at least ~20 bits over for an offset, so you use those when you can and only resort to the indirect jumps when you must 09:14:27 e.g. when the program is larger than n MB, or linked in such a way that you don't know where the called code might be 09:15:00 O, so that's how it works, it makes sense. 09:15:25 However, my instruction set is using 16-bit instructions 09:18:49 mov p,[p++] is arguably just a funny way of writing the jmp imm16 instruction 09:21:00 I suppose so, although I encode it like that. 09:24:55 it would probably be inefficient if it's _not_ special cased internally. 09:28:42 It could be special cased internally if you want to 09:35:34 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 09:35:56 zzo38: any concrete docs about them? some are obvious, but some are obscure. (e.g. for conditions, what's difference between ZS and ZC? zero and signed????) 09:36:39 https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1959904_10152640836783356_1654381488_n.jpg | http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltasanomat.fi%2Fkotimaa%2Fart-1288661885235.html&act=url 09:39:39 that guy looks ready to kill 09:41:08 ion: i managed to read that as "War promoted by the new commander" on first glance 09:41:22 heh 09:41:52 not one of google's best moments, in any case 09:42:21 To my knowledge, no good machine translation from Finnish to English exists on the planet. 09:43:04 But that one gives enough context for the photoshop. 09:43:57 oh i didn't notice the pictures were different 09:44:25 i assume it's some fps game? 09:46:20 http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Jonathan_J._O'Neill 10:00:45 lifthrasiir: Yes I do have some documentation, but it is incomplete. MZS means move if zero flag set, MZC means move if zero flag is clear. 10:03:01 aha, so there are zero/carry/negative flags and consequently six conditional moves. 10:07:15 Yes. 10:07:15 Note about addressing modes: Each 2OP has two operands, and no more than one operand can have an addressing mode other than R. 10:07:59 Also, one bit of the instruction (other than FLG) is used to indicate whether or not the instruction affects flags. Some instructions affect some (but not all) flags anyways even if this bit is cleared, such as the CMP, MSK, and LFL instructions. 10:11:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:16:29 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:21:16 -!- vravn has quit (Excess Flood). 10:24:27 -!- vravn has joined. 10:28:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:49:32 -!- itsy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:59:29 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:09:56 -!- boily has joined. 11:15:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:23:34 @messeges-leud 11:23:35 You don't have any messages 11:25:22 -!- Sorella has joined. 11:58:55 -!- yorick has joined. 11:59:08 -!- Slereahphone has joined. 12:07:46 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 12:10:28 -!- shikhout has joined. 12:13:26 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:13:28 -!- shikhout has changed nick to shikhin. 12:14:33 -!- Slereahphone has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:20:07 @messages-feud 12:20:08 You don't have any messages 12:55:54 -!- tertu has joined. 13:00:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 13:09:07 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:05:52 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 14:21:00 @massages 14:21:00 You don't have any messages 14:25:05 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:28:51 @tell boily I lament the lack of lambdabot messages. 14:28:51 Consider it noted. 14:30:02 -!- tromp has joined. 14:35:31 int-e: Perhaps you should incorporate some fungot technology so that, if someone is explicitly asking for messages yet has none, it'd write one? 14:35:31 fizzie: alice gave a weary sigh. " but what are they for?' alice asked at last, by common consent, into a few random groups, seated on the ground near the door, she ran across the duchess ( who was now out of prison, and he went and he lived in another town. so the lion ate the wrong man." 14:38:41 good fungot fungot day 14:38:41 int-e: " who are the audience to be?" i said. i was dreaming again. 14:39:06 Fungot is astonishingly astute ... sometimes. 14:39:19 And still case sensitive, I'm happy to see. 15:00:55 http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/560/1305796309581 man, that thing looks like some sort of a block loading glitch. 15:01:27 (It's apparently the winning proposal for the memorial for the Utøya thing.) 15:03:55 Oh man, it totally does. That’s hilarious. 15:04:15 A chunk error. 15:04:35 Lots of Minecrafters in Norway, I suppose. 15:04:56 fizzie: unrealistic, it has water there 15:06:00 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:07:19 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:28:15 -!- Slereahphone has joined. 15:35:36 -!- password2 has joined. 15:37:35 -!- Slereahphone has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:41:03 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 15:53:03 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 15:53:03 -!- itsy has joined. 15:54:14 -!- ^v has joined. 16:06:14 -!- Slereah__ has joined. 16:07:59 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Ping timeout: 241 seconds). 16:10:59 -!- conehead has joined. 16:13:32 -!- Slereah__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:13:51 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 16:23:10 Thank you #esoteric 16:24:32 For, while not teaching me particularly much CS, very much preparing my mind for learning it 16:25:02 I like that sentiment 16:29:45 soil tilled 16:33:52 -!- tertu has joined. 16:42:54 -!- Slereahphone has joined. 16:56:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:56:34 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:03:36 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 17:09:11 -!- password2 has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 17:21:39 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 17:44:04 esowiki should be purged of any languages less esoteric than https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar 17:56:35 -!- password2 has joined. 17:56:35 -!- vadimrif has joined. 18:00:56 -!- vadimrif has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:03:18 -!- password2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:09:50 -!- ^v has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:10:07 -!- ^v has joined. 18:10:44 -!- shikhout has joined. 18:11:07 Can someone write a new compiler for BANCStar? 18:14:02 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:14:02 -!- shikhout has changed nick to shikhin. 18:18:52 zzo38: not without a spec, and I'm not sure there's a public spec 18:19:11 Jafet: BANCStar is normally considered non-eso, although there have been huge debates 18:19:18 it's one of the most contentious wrt "eso or not" 18:19:40 the main argument against is that it was intended as an intermediate language asm, and it's not massively insane as intermediate languages go 18:20:33 The main argument is that most languages on the esowiki are not really that esoteric 18:22:52 I would like to see the documentation if someone would release it. Some things I may be able to figure out from the example programs, though 18:26:59 It is still a bit unusual even as an intermediate language though 18:27:16 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:27:51 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 18:27:51 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:34:57 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:36:04 I notice that the numbers seem to fit in a signed 16-bit integer, and wonder if that is a limit. Also, some operands are omitted; are those treated as -32768 or something like that? 18:36:12 Or as zero? 18:36:40 Are blocks allowed to be nested? 18:43:05 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:48:16 Why does it crash when there is a dot in the source file? 18:52:25 It looks when writing to a variable, you represent a constant number by multiplying it by ten and adding 22002. When reading it is different. 18:52:29 I have a typewriter 18:54:22 Hopefully the rest of the pages can be scanned. 18:54:30 Taneb: What model is it? 18:55:46 Seems to be a variant of a Brother 210 19:02:39 -!- chaiomanot has joined. 19:02:48 -!- nisstyre has joined. 19:03:21 -!- chaiomanot has quit (Client Quit). 19:03:34 -!- chaiomanot has joined. 19:06:53 what are you going to do with it Taneb 19:07:03 I also have a typewriter, which is also Brother. 19:07:11 I use it for typing addresses on envelopes. 19:07:45 quintopia, type, probably 19:07:52 Go to CS lectures and take notes 19:09:49 wonderful 19:10:04 You take notes with a typewriter? 19:10:06 i hope it makes loud clicking sounds that disturb the whole class 19:11:36 So do I 19:11:43 Anyway, I have an adventure to go on 19:11:47 Bye! 19:12:47 -!- Slereahphone has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi). 19:14:00 -!- Slereahphone has joined. 19:20:07 -!- Slereahphone has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:20:30 a brilliant plan for getting thrown out of class 19:21:35 -!- Slereahphone has joined. 19:22:15 http://www.ted.com/talks/renny_gleeson_404_the_story_of_a_page_not_found Sorry, we’re experiencing technical difficulties. Our tech team is on it. In the meantime, why not take a break and watch Renny Gleeson’s talk, 404, the story of a page not found. 19:24:24 oerjan: I remember an event a while back when someone from a poor family took a typewriter to university with them because the family owned one, and couldn't afford a computer 19:24:33 and the university's response was to buy them a laptop 19:25:33 aww 19:28:09 nice 19:45:10 -!- nisstyre has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3). 20:03:21 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 20:03:28 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:07:00 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 20:16:56 -!- iamcal___ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:17:35 -!- iamcal___ has joined. 20:19:21 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:21:15 -!- myndzi has joined. 20:50:47 http://www.change.org/petitions/president-obama-ban-the-production-use-and-circulation-of-the-paper-us-dollar 20:54:12 this is a bitcoin thing isn't it 20:55:03 I'd like to see the official response to that one 20:55:32 Should they instead use a dollar coin like we have in Canada? 21:01:02 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 21:01:49 US has both paper and metal-coin dollars, IIRC 21:02:46 Is it useful to have both? 21:05:22 the metal-coin ones are historical relics, aren't they? 21:05:26 yeah. dollar coins are nice for hitting people, and with dollar bills you can make emergency bandages or gags easily. 21:05:57 oerjan: nah, they keep trying to push new ones. never really works 21:06:01 hm 21:06:27 looks like the last batch was stopped in 2011. 21:06:33 i've actually never seen any of them, how about that 21:07:06 i suppose they actually _would_ have to stop productions of the paper ones to make the coins take off. 21:07:10 *-s 21:08:22 in norway we've changed denominations from bills to coins several times, the bills usually stop being legal tender after a while. 21:08:29 10 years or so 21:09:48 and of course we drop coins as well. last one to go was the 50 øre, which means our krone is no longer divided into smaller units, at least physically. 21:10:52 it's funny how the usa insists on keeping pennies while we are dropping the equivalent of 10 cent coins 21:15:12 there was a big deal when the £2 coin was introduced in the UK a while back 21:15:35 we haven't had higher denominations for ages, though, and £2 coins still feel a little like a novelty 21:15:47 £5 coins technically exist but aren't in general circulation 21:16:28 they're 17 years old. 21:16:31 (2 pound coins) 21:16:51 elliott: I guess that means I was at the right age at the time to think it was a really big deal 21:16:57 like, 9, I guess 21:17:07 I still think of them as being special 21:17:21 I think of £50 notes as special, too, but that's mostly because although they're in general circulation they're hardly ever used 21:17:22 i have a huge wad of $2s 21:17:46 there's this thing in murka where we treat $2 as weird and rare even though they have consistently been worth two dollars for the last billion years, unlike 50¢ coins and such 21:17:53 I think someone told me that two pound coins are similar to one pound coins? 21:17:56 to the extent that if you go to a bank and ask for a large amount of money (say £1000), they'll give it to you in £20 notes rather than £50 notes unless you specifically request otherwise 21:18:16 zzo38: they look very different, they're about twice as large, and have an inner section that's a different color 21:18:41 Bike: 50¢ coins haven't consistently been worth 50¢? 21:19:31 Then I don't know why they said it is similar 21:19:50 yes, I think they were just wrong 21:19:55 old dollars are full of silver and suchlike 21:19:58 half dollars* 21:20:27 the outside of a £1 coin and £2 coin is the same color and that color (i.e. the metal alloy that produces it) isn't used by other UK coins, so that's a similarity 21:20:30 but that's about the only similarity 21:20:40 (the £1 coin is made of that alloy all the way through, the £2 only around the outside) 21:21:29 haha, back in the late 1800s they made a $50 coin, awesome 21:24:14 Do you know anything about pattern matching on trees or on list of instructions? I tried to make something to pattern match on list of instructions, is it OK in your opinion? 21:24:28 And I still need to add a expression tree pattern match 21:24:45 one time i tried to pattern match a tree but my skin got all covered in sap 21:25:27 zzo38: I wrote OIL for doing pattern matching and replacement on INTERCAL parse trees 21:25:47 zzo38: here is the documentation: http://c.intercal.org.uk/manual/dlbvn76f.htm#Optimizer-Idiom-Language 21:25:52 ais523: Yes I saw that 21:26:06 I wonder how well something similar would work for something I am making 21:26:28 In my case, optimization is not the only use of such thing, although it can be one such use. 21:26:45 Optimization is also performed on list of instructions too, though 21:27:39 zzo38: I think optimization on lists of instructions is called "peephole optimization" 21:27:57 and yes, optimization isn't the only use, it's just my use 21:28:00 ais523: Yes, it is peephole optimization. 21:28:17 I wrote part of a program to do so, but I would like it reviewed. 21:35:04 -!- FreeFull has joined. 21:40:25 -!- hexagon has changed nick to icosagon. 21:40:29 -!- icosagon has changed nick to hexagon. 22:01:39 -!- Slereahphone has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi). 22:04:54 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 22:16:50 -!- nisstyre has joined. 22:19:27 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 22:35:33 -!- nisstyre has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3). 22:36:00 -!- nisstyre has joined. 22:42:31 <`^_^v> just wrote my first unification algorithm, now i feel like a computer scientist 22:51:17 -!- not^v has joined. 22:52:50 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:54:38 Today I met a Norwegian computer scientist from IRC. I am disappointed she was not in fact oerjan 22:55:34 `? oerjan_ 22:56:03 hmm, no bot... might have been oerjan_ anyway 22:56:24 "from IRC"? 22:57:47 is that a horrible mistypo of something? 22:58:27 "from IRC" probably means "is also on IRC somewhere" 22:58:31 oerjan: possibly an elision of "someone I know from IRC", which is how I interpreted that 22:58:58 but then it makes no sense that he'd be disappointed she wasn't me. 22:59:32 btw i am _not_ a computer scientist by profession. 23:00:36 Taneb: SPEAK UP YOU WRETCHED SCOUNDREL TWH 23:01:08 By "from IRC", I mean "I know this person primarily via IRC" 23:01:11 plot twist: it *was* oerjan 23:01:26 plot twist, it was elliott. 23:01:37 oerjan, goodbye universe 23:02:14 oh right 23:02:38 in an alternative universe, it was elliott. r.i.p. universe. 23:10:36 r.i.p.? why did the universe die? 23:10:52 olsner, elliott and I came into contact 23:11:06 oh, is that what happens when that happens? 23:11:11 Yeah 23:11:44 lucky we have these alternate universes then 23:13:45 In some alternate universes, alternate universes don't exist 23:14:01 "Our bonus program is not frosting, it is part of the cake." makes it sound like it's not a bonus program at all 23:18:04 (mozilla) 23:24:59 fungot: are you from irc? 23:24:59 oerjan: transcribed from the fnord: he fnord the chain, that fnord the pin: he fnord the words " this is fnord phrase i had learned from the fnord fnord: to be taken up. " from your point of view, that is, 23:25:28 clearly we need a version of fungot that lives entirely on the blockchain 23:25:28 ais523: then, with a fnord hand, and we eagerly followed." " i doubt if even muriel would run away from one of them had got a moth's wing to fnord great brown moth's wing, oo know, and so he didn't want the other caterpillar to see the lion and the unicorn 23:25:34 i think that response may have been redacted. 23:25:36 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 23:35:53 -!- blitter64 has joined. 23:36:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 23:37:32 -!- chaiomanot has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:41:38 -!- not^v has changed nick to ^v. 23:44:47 -!- blitter64 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds).