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00:24:54 <seba29> Hi, is there someone that helps me with a reading?
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02:00:05 <kmc> fungot: we should change the topic shouldn't we
02:00:05 <fungot> kmc: i'll just detour that... which would become fnord which would usually be otherwise impossible
02:18:13 <Sgeo> I own a Vorapede.
02:18:28 <Sgeo> Not worth very much despite being a mythic rare
02:18:45 <kmc> ...foot eater?
02:19:27 <Sgeo> Looks a bit big to be a foot eater
02:20:03 <Sgeo> Like it would rather eat a whole person than a foot
02:20:15 <Sgeo> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=262850
02:21:03 <Bike> maybe it eats with its feet
02:21:30 <Bike> basically looks like a giant snail right
02:22:12 <Sgeo> So yeah, considering playing Draft at FNMs
02:23:05 <shachaf> Sgeo: 5 for a 5/4 vigilance trample that becomes a 6/5 vigilance trample is not that bad, is it?
02:23:21 <shachaf> oh, "worth" as in price
02:23:30 <Sgeo> shachaf: no, but according to comments in Gatherer, there are other cards that outshine it
02:24:43 <Sgeo> Apparently all Planeswalkers are mythic rares, which makes me sad
02:26:39 <shachaf> Sgeo: whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. those other cards are too good
02:28:09 <shachaf> (Kalonian Hydra is also too good)
02:32:17 <Sgeo> That's blatantly too good... 3.5 stars why?
02:44:43 <Sgeo> I understand that basic lands are colorless, but... is there any good flavor reason for that?
02:49:27 <kmc> i want a card whose effect is "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously"
02:49:36 <Bike> you've seen Drive, as i remember/away
02:49:53 <kmc> what?
02:50:15 <shachaf> is that Bike pressing ↑ before typing /away
02:51:00 <Bike> i don't know what that was
02:52:30 <shachaf> Sgeo: your job is to find a card that provides some sort of negative effect to your opponent for putting jams on their creatres
02:52:46 <Bike> well, i mean, i was recommending movies, but not here
02:52:54 <Bike> though Drive is a good movie. just, public announcement
02:54:02 <shachaf> maybe i should use Drive. i have all this storage space now
02:54:28 <shachaf> Bike: is Anastasia (1956 film) a good movie
02:54:50 <Bike> haven't seen it, don't know
02:55:10 <shachaf> oh
02:55:23 <shachaf> i think the answer is yes
03:11:47 <Sgeo> The only thing I think people dislike Kindle for over Nooks etc. is the DRM policies
03:12:54 <Sgeo> ooh
03:12:55 <Sgeo> "However if you use the Send to Kindle function to put your mobi books in the Amazon Cloud then DL to the iPad from the Cloud they will easily sync highlights, bookmarks, notes, etc. with the same mobi book on other Kindles and Kindle apps. "
03:18:35 <Sgeo> I already bought it
03:19:39 <Sgeo> Send to Kindle sounds really fun, and I remember regretting that the Nook didn't have it when I got the Nook
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04:02:24 <Sgeo> The Nook is worse DRMed in a way that's more important to me: Apparently it's tricky to retrieve notes and hilights
04:02:37 <Sgeo> Not impossible (hopefully)
04:12:36 <kmc> here's an exploit for that Linux x32 bug we were discussing:
04:12:37 <kmc> http://pastebin.com/DH3Lbg54
04:13:02 <shachaf> which bug
04:14:30 <Bike> "read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features and smirk a few times" -_-
04:14:36 <Bike> man i miss my international keyboard
04:15:26 <Bike> id instead of whoami, huh. is that the usual nowadays
04:15:34 <kmc> Bike: -_-
04:16:01 <Bike> what
04:16:05 <kmc> Ubuntu deserves a lot of credit for some of the security stuff they've done
04:16:12 <Bike> oh the quote
04:16:16 <kmc> right
04:16:34 <Bike> yeah it's just kind of bullyingly mean, which th ere is a better adjective for i'm sure but i can't think of it
04:26:02 <kmc> h4xorz
04:26:08 <kmc> fungot: u hax?
04:26:08 <fungot> kmc: and call it done
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04:52:33 <zzo38> How common is it to checkmate with a castling move?
04:54:49 <shachaf> zzo38: p. uncommon hth
04:58:38 <zzo38> Yes, I don't expect it to be common, but how common is it anyways? And how common just to give check with a castling move even if it isn't checkmate?
04:59:01 <zzo38> And how common is it for the other player to resign immediately after one player castles?
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05:25:37 <zzo38> Wizards of the Coast didn't like the Elo system and replaced it with the "Planeswalker Points" system, which is a terrible system.
05:26:01 <zzo38> (in my opinion)
05:27:19 <shachaf> zzo38: why all the castling questions
05:27:36 <Bike> darn i thought you were being objective.
05:28:46 <shachaf> Chester came to school and said, / "Durn, I growed another head." / Teacher said, "It's time you knowed / The word is 'grew' instead of 'growed'"
05:29:30 <zzo38> shachaf: I once read about castling to put opponent in check, and even once did so myself, but haven't seen a castling move where it makes opponent checkmated, but am curious to know how common such things are. I did see once a game involving misinterpretations of older rules where castling with a promoted pawn is a checkmating move.
05:31:07 <shachaf> castle only as a sorcery
05:31:36 <Bike> promoting a pawn to rook and then castling with it?
05:33:56 * ion bew to shachaf
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05:36:57 <zzo38> Bike: Yes
05:37:19 <Bike> i thought you could only castle if the rook and king had never moved before?
05:39:51 <zzo38> Bike: That is correct.
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05:46:41 <kmc>
05:47:09 <Bike> so how could you do it with a promoted pawn
05:47:21 <quintopia> you can't
05:48:07 <kmc> "An exception is seen in the British Museum's collection of the medieval Lewis chess pieces in which the rooks appear as stern warders or wild-eyed Berzerker warriors."
05:48:33 <zzo38> It isn't actually allowed, but due to older rules some people thought it would be allowed; king goes to King's 3 and rook goes to King's 2, and notation O-O-O-O-O-O.
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06:07:44 <kmc> it's weird that the maglev speed record is only 6.2 km/hr more than the conventional rail speed record
06:08:44 <kmc> zzo38: ꙮ-ꙮ-ꙮ-ꙮ-ꙮ-ꙮ-ꙮ
06:09:41 <quintopia> there haven't been many maglev trains
06:09:56 <Sgeo> shachaf: what if I want to castle as an interrupt?
06:10:04 <kmc> quintopia: indeed
06:10:27 <Sgeo> I think interrupts are more flavorful... I mean, how odd is it that if I cast A, and opponent casts B in response, B takes less time than A?
06:12:50 <kmc> and conventional rail technology has more than 200 years of refinement and mass worldwide deployment
06:15:36 <zzo38> I like it without the interrupts though
06:15:58 <zzo38> I don't care so much about "flavorful"
06:16:36 <kmc> Sgeo: a wizard did it
06:18:10 <Sgeo> (In a single player campaign) now have a 9/8 with trample
06:18:16 <Sgeo> Is green generally this ridiculous?
06:30:30 <ion> 9/8 is a nice time signature.
06:30:46 <ion> ꙮꙮh
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07:16:00 <Sgeo> "From now on I call From the Vault: 20 FtV: Jace. That's the reason most people are buying it. Its a foil Jace that comes with an extra 19 cards. :)"
07:20:25 <pikhq> Sgeo: Yes, green lurves crazy-big creatures like that.
07:20:34 <pikhq> That's expecially doable in a more casual game.
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09:33:17 <Sgeo> "(Yes, eval() is used here, leaving you at mortal risk of XSS-attacking yourself.)"
09:34:49 <b_jonas> Sgeo: the disappointing part of From the Vault: 20 is how it has 5 cards that generate mana. why couldn't they put more diversity in?
09:43:10 <Sgeo> "Who even rates this higher than 0.5? This card makes Rod of Ruin look good."
09:43:17 <Sgeo> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=198395
09:47:51 <myname> so, you have to spend 3 mana to make 1 dammage?
09:47:59 <myname> brilliant
09:52:07 <Sgeo> myname: worse... 2 equip
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09:52:21 <Sgeo> So 5 total, although possibly spread over two turns
09:52:52 <Vorpal> Sgeo, magic the gathering?
09:52:58 <Sgeo> Vorpal: yes
09:53:06 <Vorpal> Ah
09:53:33 <myname> there are really strange cards
09:53:37 <Vorpal> Yep
09:54:10 <myname> i remember one that gives you an advantage as long as you do not speak with your normal voice
09:57:21 <Vorpal> heh, what
09:58:51 <Vorpal> bbl
10:15:10 <Sgeo> Presumably Unglued or Unhinged
10:15:15 <Sgeo> Or really old
10:15:29 <Sgeo> Unglued+Unhinged are not tournament legal, they're not considered real cards
10:24:29 <Slereah__> You know, I always wondered what would happen if I changed the VGA buffer without first switching to graphic mode
10:24:32 <Slereah__> Well I just found out
10:24:39 <Slereah__> WHO DREW ALL OVER MY MS DOS
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10:27:51 <fizzie> I would have bet (some, but not very much) money on nothing interesting in particular happening, for writing to 0xa0000..affff while in a text mode. (Or was this in DOSBox or something?)
10:28:04 <Slereah__> Dosbox
10:28:51 <fizzie> If you can be bothered, you could try it out in qemu or bochs or something real.
10:28:59 <Slereah__> I cannot
10:29:03 <Slereah__> It is sunday!
10:29:38 <fizzie> Aw. Well, I wouldn't take it as conclusive proof as to what would happen on a real computer. You know, in case your life depended on it or anything.
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10:32:00 <Slereah__> I don't think the case will ever pop up
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10:43:32 <fizzie> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings so many TLDs
10:44:06 <Bike> too distracted by "Valuetainment" to read the rest
10:44:36 <fizzie> I wonder if .cheap addresses are cheap.
10:45:02 <Bike> .monash? why did a university buy a gtld
10:46:11 <fizzie> I guess for BRAND PURPOSES.
10:46:57 <fizzie> Also you have to use all those tuition fees for something.
10:47:12 <Bike> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.econ/IIjUodGrHXw/uWHIxu2-LqMJ
10:47:15 <fizzie> And if you pay employees too well, they'll get all uppity.
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10:47:58 <Bike> i think we should start the #esoteric foundation llc just to get .jam made
10:49:02 <Bike> oh man, .wang
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10:49:51 <Sgeo> <= Netsplit between *.net and *.split. Users quit: nisstyre, Frooxius, realzies
10:50:40 <FreeFull> fizzie: The text on screen gets stored in memory too
10:50:48 <FreeFull> So if you hit the right addresses, you will override that
10:50:58 <FreeFull> It's two bytes per character
10:51:10 <fizzie> FreeFull: Yes, but it's not in a0000..affff.
10:51:16 <fizzie> FreeFull: It's in b8000..bffff.
10:51:30 <fizzie> (And b0000..b7fff is the monochrome video buffer place.)
10:52:02 <FreeFull> I'm not sure if it's always in b8k or if it depends on which textmode you're in
10:52:26 <fizzie> Bike: For the record, Bond University has applied for .bond and La Trobe University has applied for .latrobe, in addition to .monash. Must be some kind of an Australian thing.
10:52:36 <FreeFull> .fizzie
10:52:39 <Bike> sunstroke, i bet
10:52:51 <FreeFull> james.bond
11:00:47 <Slereah__> The nice thing about the graphic mode is that no matter if you fuck up
11:00:51 <Slereah__> It will look amazing
11:01:24 <FreeFull> I don't think that's how it works
11:01:32 <Slereah__> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19940612/DOS.png
11:01:36 <Slereah__> DOESN'T IT?
11:01:40 <Slereah__> It's full of staaaars
11:01:56 <Slereah__> Just looking at it I am filled with wonderment
11:02:13 <FreeFull> Eh
11:07:05 <Slereah__> I'm pretty sure some little atari dude could have an epic adventure in there!
11:07:18 <Slereah__> He's gonna find an amazing treasure that looks like a square
11:07:25 <Slereah__> And battle enemies that also look like squares
11:14:00 <b_jonas> Yes it's full of stars!
11:17:55 <Slereah__> You just have to use your
11:17:59 <Slereah__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaSd2d5rwPE
11:22:06 <Slereah__> Aaaah
11:22:11 <Slereah__> I finally made my gay square
11:22:26 <Slereah__> Though the code looks like shit
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11:48:21 <FreeFull> You should make a tunnel now
11:50:02 <Slereah__> tunnel?
11:53:23 <oerjan> > let ꙮ="multiocular! " in cycle ꙮ
11:53:24 <lambdabot> "multiocular! multiocular! multiocular! multiocular! multiocular! multiocula...
11:53:42 <Slereah__> Whaaat
11:53:55 <oerjan> prꙮblem?
11:54:39 <int-e> cꙮnspiracy
11:54:52 <int-e> (they're watching you)
11:55:06 <Slereah__> That character does not actually display
11:55:15 <oerjan> not in my putty either
11:55:21 <int-e> nor here
11:55:28 <oerjan> i copied it from the logs
11:55:32 <int-e> but I can cut&paste it to firefox, for example.
11:56:18 <int-e> and even if you can't see it, you *know* that THEY are watching.
11:56:43 <Slereah__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O
11:56:45 <Slereah__> Oh god
11:57:13 <olsner> `? multiocular o
11:57:14 <HackEgo> multiocular o? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
11:57:27 <olsner> `? ꙮ
11:57:28 <int-e> wait a second, are there supposed to be 13 or 16 eyes?
11:57:28 <HackEgo> ​ꙮ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
12:00:05 <FireFly> um it looks fine for me
12:00:45 <olsner> it's lots of eyes, not sure if the exact number of eyes is significant
12:01:39 * oerjan learns that there are also binocular o, double monocular o, and monocular o
12:03:24 <oerjan> i recall from previous discussion that the unicode sample has a different number of eyes from the original manuscript ones.
12:04:37 <int-e> the manuscript linked from wikipedia uses 16, but 13 is scary enough to me :)
12:04:45 <oerjan> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/a66e/index.htm has 7 while wikipedia has 10
12:04:54 <olsner> my font has 8
12:05:06 <olsner> ehm, 7
12:05:14 <myname> i have 10 at wikipedia and 7 at fileformat
12:05:33 <myname> must be no fun writing
12:05:49 <myname> also, i have 7 on irc
12:06:00 <FireFly> My font has 7 too
12:06:01 <int-e> 7 and 10 Ouch :)
12:06:11 <oerjan> myname: pretty sure wikipedia's is a picture.
12:06:38 <FireFly> I think the important thing is that it's more than two
12:06:40 <int-e> 2*6+1 ... yeah, that was embarassingly foolish.
12:06:40 <oerjan> well although it contains a character too.
12:07:51 <FireFly> I wonder if Unicode specifies what a codepoint should render as
12:12:09 <FireFly> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UA640.pdf has 7 too
12:13:00 <FreeFull> I have 9 on IRC
12:13:10 <FreeFull> But font size also depends on DPI
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12:15:35 <FreeFull> Slereah__: http://i.imgur.com/Nlj97.png Do this, in x86 16-bit ASM
12:16:02 <int-e> FireFly: I guess not, based on the proposal for adding those characters: https://web.archive.org/web/20131224125913/http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3194.pdf
12:17:10 <Slereah__> FreeFull : Not quite there yet!
12:17:19 <Slereah__> Although I have a friend who's an assembly expert
12:17:22 <int-e> (their font uses 7; the manuscript scan uses 10, it's the same that wikipedia links to)
12:17:24 <Slereah__> So I'm getting some tips from him
12:18:01 <FreeFull> Slereah__: See if your friend can do it :D
12:18:05 <Slereah__> https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=3397 < this site has some great examples, by the way
12:18:10 <Slereah__> FreeFull : Dunno
12:18:25 <Slereah__> But he did a port of Bubble Bobble for the Amstrad CPC
12:18:28 <FreeFull> Pouet is nice
12:19:41 <FireFly> I like how the -ocular o's are essentially pictographic
12:20:14 <FireFly> "replace 'o' with this character if the word is derived from the stem meaning 'eye'"
12:22:07 <int-e> hmm. can I set dosbox options on the command line without writing a .conf file ...
12:28:43 <elliott> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qs62r/i_just_got_banned_from_my_favorite_restaurant_for/ meanwhile in /r/bitcoin
12:31:56 <myname> lol
12:32:35 <FreeFull> ø: o is forbidden
12:32:39 <fizzie> "submitted 2 months ago" "meanwhile" (great story, anyhow)
12:34:01 <int-e> FreeFull: it's something different, but give http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/magnet.tgz a try :)
12:35:31 <FreeFull> int-e: That's rather cool
12:41:54 <int-e> Oh. It's a bit more than 10 years old. I really should've dated those things.
12:47:17 <int-e> And I see that I've commented the fpu code. (The comments show the contents of the FPU stack. Tracking that can be quite confusing.)
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13:21:37 <fizzie> 15:21 .. 15:41
13:21:50 <fizzie> I've got to stop using the IRC input line for short-term notes.
13:29:01 <ais523> fizzie: I tend to just send them to the channel
13:29:09 <ais523> that way if I need them in the future, I can find them in the log
13:31:07 <fizzie> Ah, but I won't need that one after 15:41 EET, so it's reasonably likely to still be in the input backscroll.
13:32:31 <oerjan> `addquote <fizzie> 15:21 .. 15:41 <fizzie> I've got to stop using the IRC input line for short-term notes. <ais523> fizzie: I tend to just send them to the channel <ais523> that way if I need them in the future, I can find them in the log
13:32:33 <HackEgo> 1165) <fizzie> 15:21 .. 15:41 <fizzie> I've got to stop using the IRC input line for short-term notes. <ais523> fizzie: I tend to just send them to the channel <ais523> that way if I need them in the future, I can find them in the log
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13:50:14 <b_jonas> hehe
13:59:02 <int-e> Aha! `addquote must be for long term notes.
14:05:09 <FireFly> `quoe
14:05:10 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quoe: not found
14:05:11 <FireFly> `quote
14:05:12 <HackEgo> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her.
14:10:34 <int-e> `quote 42
14:10:35 <HackEgo> 42) <GregorR-L> If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ... <GregorR-L> I'd call it jabbear.
14:15:20 <nortti> `quote 0x2a
14:15:21 <HackEgo> No output.
14:16:07 <oerjan> `quote
14:16:07 <HackEgo> 628) <oklopol> the point of a university is research and training new researchers. the point of the world is to enable this.
14:24:03 <callforjudgement> I like 628
14:24:38 <ion> :-)
14:27:48 <callforjudgement> `quote
14:27:48 <HackEgo> 456) <zzo38> Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead.
14:29:27 <Slereah_> Oh bother
14:29:37 <Slereah_> i made a clear screen function and now some shapes are disappearing!
14:30:28 * oerjan spots FreeFull making an account at the Complexity Zoo
14:31:14 <oerjan> someone asked wtf was up if you tried to click random page in that
14:31:32 <oerjan> answer: that's what a wiki turns out like if no one bothers to delete spam _ever_.
14:32:30 <oerjan> except on the publically facing pages, presumably.
14:33:01 <oerjan> behold https://complexityzoo.uwaterloo.ca/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=1000.000000Ree_Online_Facebook_Of_Sex_In_Australia_New_Zealand&to=Events_In_Cape_Town_Reviews_Tips
14:33:24 <oerjan> elliott: ^ hth
14:34:23 <FreeFull> oerjan: I made an account because I wanted to get rid of the spam, but I'm not sure hwo
14:34:26 <FreeFull> how*
14:34:37 <FreeFull> You can just press the "random article" button and get spam
14:35:02 <oerjan> FreeFull: well given they're all spam-titled articles, you really need admin powers to delete properly.
14:35:36 <oerjan> you could blank them, but that doesn't really help with random article
14:36:44 <oerjan> and all the spam is too old to show up in recent changes.
14:37:21 <int-e> chessbase makes me so angry sometimes. http://en.chessbase.com/post/a-new-challenging-chess-variant - who is this guy and why does chessbase give him a platform for his so-called "research"?
14:37:22 <oerjan> in fact the reason i noticed you was because you're one of the few things happening in the last month.
14:40:45 <oerjan> FreeFull: given the way the wiki is structured, a script to delete all orphan pages might work...
14:42:54 <FreeFull> Maybe
14:43:14 <oerjan> callforjudgement: oh i hit an actual non-spam page on that wiki. i think i may have invented a variant of your brainfuck derivative/self-made game
14:43:32 <callforjudgement> oerjan: hmm
14:43:44 <callforjudgement> can you get admin rights and just delete the spam pages as you hit them?
14:43:46 <int-e> what are you doing? visiting "random pages"?
14:43:51 <callforjudgement> int-e: yeah
14:44:08 <callforjudgement> on Esolang, you hit random page, score 1 negative point for each BF derivative, stop when you reach a language you made yourself
14:44:09 <oerjan> callforjudgement: i'm not even registered there, so i doubt they'd trust me.
14:44:22 <int-e> (I've found that the wiki works fine if you use the dedicated index pages)
14:44:44 <int-e> (the complexity zoo one)
14:45:07 <oerjan> it's a very low-volume wiki otherwise, so presumably there's no admin with actual time for spam maintenance.
14:45:10 <int-e> callforjudgement: how close do I have to get to -\infty before I'm allowed to stop?
14:45:34 <callforjudgement> int-e: if you have trouble stopping, you go create some more non-BF-deriv esolangs
14:46:54 <oerjan> oh wait deleting orphans won't work, the real page i hit was one.
14:47:09 <oerjan> https://complexityzoo.uwaterloo.ca/STCON
14:49:00 <oerjan> btw the fact STCON is in LOGSPACE is the essence of a famous complexity theorem.
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14:50:58 <oerjan> it seems most of the spam was added last spring
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14:55:19 <FireFly> Couldn't one remove the spam pages based on some heuristic? Most of them (from a small random sample, anyway) seem to contain several long paragraphs and no wiki markup
15:00:23 <callforjudgement> another possibility is to manually mark all non-spam pages
15:00:25 <callforjudgement> then delete the rest
15:01:35 <int-e> ... https://complexityzoo.uwaterloo.ca/Strategies_To_Use_SEO ...
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15:32:33 <b_jonas> hehe, "score 1 negative point for each BF derivative, stop when you reach a language you made yourself"
15:32:36 <b_jonas> nice
15:32:43 <b_jonas> do you get positive score for anything?
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15:52:01 <FireFly> I've landed on an equal amount of brainfuck derivatives and brainfuck implementations thus far
15:56:17 <Taneb> Does brainfuck count as a brainfuck derivative for the purposes of this game
15:57:49 <myname> Taneb: what if you made a bf derivate? do you stop? do you score -1? both?
15:58:18 <myname> wouldn't it be best to make the whole wiki full of bf derivates to get better scores?
15:59:24 <myname> you are more likely to stop while others are more likely to get -1
16:02:19 <FireFly> pretty sure being a BF derivative should have precedence
16:03:22 <Taneb> My score: -7 or -8 depending on whether brainfuck counts
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16:09:14 <FireFly> ...the wiki has some pretty weird 'languages'
16:09:26 <FireFly> Such as http://esolangs.org/wiki/Yo
16:15:02 <myname> i do find German (esolang) pretty stupid
16:51:40 <quintopia> Taneb: brainfuck does not count. it has seniority.
16:52:39 <quintopia> i think the game should be "-1 for every language that has not a single creative idea in it" just to be sure
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16:53:11 <quintopia> because some brinfuck "derivatives" are awesome, while some non-bf-derivs are the worst
16:54:37 <myname> like, German
16:59:34 <quintopia> machine code derivative? yeah that's pretty low
16:59:54 <quintopia> and the joke isn't even funny!
17:00:03 <myname> and bier is spelled wrong
17:02:27 <int-e> I see. 'cat' is a compiler for the 'Cat' language, in the spirit of 'German'.
17:05:37 <int-e> some ninja twins levels are annoying ... too many hidden items
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19:35:03 <Taneb> How does the HackEgo BFJoust hill score?
19:37:55 <quintopia> Taneb: it's explained on gregor's bfjoust hill page
19:38:32 <quintopia> the short answer is "it's kind of stupid"
19:38:37 <Taneb> k
19:38:54 <quintopia> the long answer is "i implemented a better scoring system, and Gregor never incorporated it"
19:39:08 <Taneb> How does yours work?
19:41:18 <Bike> just before i got up i imagined that "coop" was "copoop"
19:42:46 <ion> copooperation
19:44:49 <quintopia> copoop= 10% of everything?
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19:50:18 <Bike> http://www.coingen.io/ finally
19:51:42 <shachaf> can i invest in Bikeoin yet
19:51:56 <Bike> you could create bikeoin
19:52:42 <shachaf> "the ultimate invest"ment
19:52:55 <kmc> http://coingen.io/status.html
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19:53:41 <kmc> should i invest in fraudcoin? or maybe hackernewscoin?
19:53:51 <shachaf> i think i'll invest in _this_site_is_a_scam_dont_send_your_bitcoins_to_coingen_
19:54:08 <copumpkin> fraudcoin sounds legit
19:54:11 <Bike> i'm betting on unusablecoin
19:54:15 <copumpkin> take it from the resident expert
19:54:56 <copumpkin> "tuplipcoin"?
19:55:08 <Bike> probably a misspelling of "tulip"?
19:55:12 <Bike> referring to tulip mania
19:55:17 <copumpkin> I figured that might be it
19:55:24 <copumpkin> still seems silly to typo your coin name!
19:55:37 <kmc> or i could branch out to "fourchan" or "adolfhitler"
19:56:02 <copumpkin> obamacoin brings change
19:56:33 <shachaf> i think i have too much hair
19:56:41 <copumpkin> there are remedies to that
19:56:43 <copumpkin> I've heard
19:57:13 <shachaf> last time i removed my hair i got a sunburn
19:57:16 <shachaf> gotta be careful
20:02:43 <ion> You should remove your hair and move to Finland.
20:03:23 <shachaf> why finland
20:03:30 <ion> There’s no sun here.
20:03:44 <shachaf> p. sure it was sunny last time i was there
20:03:53 <shachaf> and ~30° in helsinki
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20:39:48 <fizzie> I can attest to there being no sun visible in the sky here at this moment.
20:40:22 <Taneb> shachaf, there won't be any sun here from 7:30 PM on the 20th of February!
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21:19:41 <oerjan> tromp posted about his cuckoo project http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/1wtn6d/cuckoo_cycle_a_memoryhard_proofofwork_system/
21:26:11 <oerjan> gah i hate that pdfs on github won't open in the browser
21:26:24 <tromp> you must pick the raw version
21:26:32 <oerjan> i _did_ pick the raw version.
21:26:35 <tromp> or i must figure out how to publish them on github pages
21:27:02 <oerjan> it insists on opening it outside, which means the awful metro interface.
21:27:06 <tromp> oh, i never unsdersood why some pdfs are downloaded and other are shown in browser
21:27:29 <tromp> btw, i'm rewriting the paper as we speak
21:27:42 <tromp> expect a new version in 5 mins
21:30:29 <Phantom_Hoover> <tromp> oh, i never unsdersood why some pdfs are downloaded and other are shown in browser
21:30:39 <FireFly> I'm guessing the 'raw' feature sends the file as application/octet-stream
21:30:42 <Phantom_Hoover> firefox sometimes opens text files as a download
21:31:36 <oerjan> FireFly: that would do it i guess :(
21:33:11 <kmc> there is also Content-disposition: attachment
21:33:52 <Taneb> Help I've written a function that computes the fibonacci sequence using only identifiers defined in the lens library
21:33:57 <tromp> ok, oerjan, new version pushed
21:34:02 <kmc> Taneb: :D
21:34:07 <oerjan> Taneb: including operators?
21:34:20 <Taneb> view curried (view simple) (sumOf ignored (&)) (productOf ignored (&)) ^.. over mapped (iterated ((over mapped (view flipped (mapped %~) (sumOf both ^. curried)) (over mapped (mapped %~) (view simple ^. curried))) ^. flipped & over mapped (perform (acts&mapped%~acts)) & review curried)) _1
21:34:32 <Taneb> oerjan, including operators
21:34:55 <ion> Taneb++
21:36:15 <Taneb> Getting rid of (.) was easy. Getting rid of (,) was less so
21:40:44 <oerjan> > view curried (view simple) (sumOf ignored (&)) (productOf ignored
21:40:44 <oerjan> (&)) ^.. over mapped (iterated ((over mapped (view flipped
21:40:44 <oerjan> (mapped %~) (sumOf both ^. curried)) (over mapped (mapped %~)
21:40:44 <oerjan> (view simple ^. curried))) ^. flipped & over mapped (perform
21:40:44 <oerjan> (acts&mapped%~acts)) & review curried)) _1
21:40:45 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:66:
21:40:45 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
21:40:55 <oerjan> wtf
21:41:31 <oerjan> oh right
21:41:48 <oerjan> > view curried (view simple) (sumOf ignored (&)) (productOf ignored (&)) ^.. over mapped (iterated ((over mapped (view flipped (mapped %~) (sumOf both ^. curried)) (over mapped (mapped %~) (view simple ^. curried))) ^. flipped & over mapped (perform (acts&mapped%~acts)) & review curried)) _1
21:41:49 <lambdabot> [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,...
21:43:05 <copumpkin> lol
21:45:25 <Bike> O_o
21:46:40 * oerjan increase paste_detect_time to 10msecs
21:46:42 <oerjan> *+s
21:51:29 <FireFly> So lenticular
21:52:30 <zzo38> What does paste_detect_time mean?
21:53:00 <zzo38> Phantom_Hoover: You can cause it to display the text by adding "view-source:" at the beginning of the URL.
21:53:36 <Taneb> It's actually pretty simple
21:53:54 <oerjan> zzo38: how long irssi waits after a line before deciding it's not part of a larger paste
21:54:07 <Taneb> Essentially "iterate (\(a,b) -> (b, a+b)) (0,1)"
21:55:24 <FireFly> If only terminal emulators and shell applications would support bracketed-paste...
21:57:13 <oerjan> :t swapped
21:57:14 <lambdabot> (Functor f, Profunctor p1, Swapped p) => p1 (p b a) (f (p d c)) -> p1 (p a b) (f (p c d))
21:57:18 <FireFly> Oh hey, weechat supports bracketed-paste if one enables an option
21:57:46 <Taneb> Oh man, I forgot about swapped
21:58:01 <oerjan> i thought it sounded like something you might have used
21:58:35 <zzo38> oerjan: What does it do with such a decision?
21:58:57 <zzo38> FireFly: What does bracketed-paste mean?
21:59:18 <FireFly> It's a terminal mode where pastes are prefixed and suffixed by escape sequences
21:59:59 <FireFly> Which would be useful if it was actually a thing, since it'd mean IRC clients and text editors wouldn't have to guess based on timing and heuristics if something was pasted or typed
22:00:24 <oerjan> zzo38: if it detects it's a paste, it will (1) warn you if it's many lines. (2) join wrapping lines if it looks like it has been copied from the irssi window.
22:00:46 <FireFly> http://www.xfree86.org/current/ctlseqs.html#Bracketed%20Paste%20Mode
22:00:55 <zzo38> What escape sequences? Is it the START OF TEXT and END OF TEXT control characters?
22:00:58 <oerjan> in particular, (2) failed for me above because it didn't detect it as a paste, which is why i increased it.
22:01:08 <FireFly> No, it's CSI-prefixed sequences
22:01:36 <FireFly> i.e. either ESC [ 200 ~ or \x9B 200 ~ depending on whether 7-bit or 8-bit CSI is set
22:01:59 <zzo38> OK
22:02:17 <Slereah_> Hey folks
22:02:26 <Slereah_> If I try to declare some variable in x86
22:02:27 <Slereah_> Like
22:02:28 <Slereah_> square2 dw 0x0064, 0x0064, 0x0016
22:02:35 <Slereah_> It makes my program fuck up
22:02:38 <Slereah_> Why is this
22:04:36 <zzo38> Slereah_: What assembler and what program?
22:05:35 <Slereah_> FASM
22:05:39 <Slereah_> And the program is...
22:05:52 <zzo38> I do not know how to program in FASM.
22:06:03 <Slereah_> http://pastebin.com/XSMwb0aA
22:06:19 <Slereah_> As soon as I put that declaration, bam
22:06:26 <Slereah_> It assembles fine, but it does not work
22:06:48 <zzo38> Are you crossing a segment boundary?
22:07:01 <Slereah_> Not that I'm aware
22:07:12 <Slereah_> It works without the declaration, and does not with it
22:07:26 <Slereah_> I don't think the assembler would put it in another segment
22:07:29 <Slereah_> Plus I don't even call it
22:07:49 <zzo38> Move it to the end of the program.
22:08:12 <Slereah_> Hm, it works
22:08:14 <zzo38> Otherwise it try to execute them as instructions
22:08:19 <Slereah_> Thanks!
22:09:05 <zzo38> The program has to start at 0x0100 which is also beginning of the file, and the part before that is a PSP (at least, in DOS this is how it works).
22:09:33 <Slereah_> Man I don't want a playstation in my program
22:10:12 <kmc> FireFly: does anybody use 8-bit CSI?
22:10:54 <FireFly> I think several terminal emulators support it
22:10:59 <zzo38> kmc: I think Linux accepts it?
22:11:13 <kmc> yeah but do any common programs send such sequences, I mean
22:11:20 <zzo38> I don't know of any.
22:11:31 <fizzie> Wouldn't that just depend on your terminfo entry?
22:11:36 <fizzie> (For many programs, anyway.)
22:12:07 <kmc> and in a UTF-8 terminal do you actually send \xC2 \x9B ?
22:12:48 <zzo38> That I don't know; I don't use the UTF-8 terminal mode.
22:12:56 <FireFly> I think a shell application has to send an escape sequence to tell the terminal to change to 8-bit CSI, or something
22:12:58 <FireFly> I don't know
22:13:14 <FireFly> One benefit of using the 8-bit CSI would be to disambiguate it from <Esc>
22:13:17 <FireFly> in e.g. vim
22:13:28 <FireFly> relying on timing sucks.
22:13:29 <kmc> I think ECMA-48 codes are defined in terms of codepoints and not bytes for a Unicode terminal
22:13:31 <zzo38> I think the terminal emulator built-in to Linux automatically allows 8-bit CSI though
22:15:18 <kmc> Slereah_: you may have assembler directives like .text and .data that let you switch between code and data sections, and the assembler/linker will arrange for each of code and data to be contiguous in memory
22:15:34 <kmc> so that way you can declare your variables near where they will be used, rather than at the end of the file
22:16:44 <FireFly> Ah, http://www.vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/S8C1T was the escape sequence I meant
22:16:57 <kmc> also important because memory for storing code isn't writeable on some platforms (like microcontrollers, or any OS enforcing that as a security measure)
22:18:18 <fizzie> FireFly: That's for terminal-to-host talk, though. I don't think you need to do that if it's the host sending 8-bit C1 control characters.
22:18:32 <fizzie> FireFly: (Just if you want the terminal to use them too.)
22:19:44 <FireFly> Yeah, that's probably true
22:20:03 <FireFly> the bracketed-paste case mentioned earlier would be terminal-to-host though
22:20:36 <fizzie> Right. (I wasn't reading at that point.)
22:21:08 <zzo38> How are interest rates calculated in case of leap years?
22:21:10 <fizzie> There was a thing that was using the 8-bit CSI that I came across the other year, but I've entirely forgotten what it was about.
22:33:02 <oerjan> zzo38: i very vaguely thought all months are treated as 30 days for the purpose
22:33:24 <fizzie> I believe there's a large number of different, incompatible conventions.
22:33:32 <fizzie> At least I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
22:34:01 <fizzie> The 30/360 thing certainly is a thing that happens in some financial contexts, though.
22:34:13 <nortti> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t31/1655773_636614729738716_1020538943_o.jpg
22:34:34 <zzo38> I think the way it should be done is using a tropical year rather than a calendar year, and using signs instead of months. You would then adjust these results into actual business days based on the timezone.
22:34:55 <Bike> astrological signs?
22:35:10 <zzo38> (Such a thing is still out if 30/360 but not based on the calendar)
22:35:18 <zzo38> Bike: Yes. One sign = 30 degrees
22:35:28 <oerjan> nortti: very secure password
22:35:54 <fizzie> oerjan: It has lowercase letters, uppercase letters, digits AND a special character.
22:36:05 <fizzie> You couldn't ask for more.
22:40:57 <Slereah_> goddamn
22:41:06 <Slereah_> My worst enemy in assembly is bits of code I left around
22:41:12 <Slereah_> And forgot to delete
22:41:36 <oerjan> zombie code
22:42:37 <kmc> ghost code
22:43:51 <Slereah_> GH-GH-GH-GH-GHOST???
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22:57:07 <zzo38> Are there some programs to trace the program to figure out which codes won't ever be used?
23:00:43 <Bike> won't ever? isn't that a statically determinable property
23:01:10 <zzo38> Depending on the programming language it might be, I think.
23:01:20 <zzo38> (And depending on the program; sometimes it might not be)
23:02:10 <oerjan> Bike: like most things, it sometimes requires solving the halting problem.
23:02:26 <zzo38> Yes, that is what I meant, for the second thing.
23:02:39 <Bike> bah i say
23:02:57 <fizzie> Compilers certainly do dead code elimination; I'm sure there are some standalone analysis tools too. Though the "bits of code left around" problem probably involves code that actually does get executed, just shouldn't.
23:03:39 <zzo38> Also, if the program is already compiled, it is different, anyways.
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23:17:27 <zzo38> Do you like orthogonal instruction sets?
23:25:54 <zzo38> I would think it is good idea to have instead of an immediate addressing mode, to use PC post-increment; and instead of a jump instruction just have a move to PC instruction.
23:27:03 <zzo38> Does any CPU instruction set actually have PHI instructions, or is that only used in compilers?
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23:40:36 <zzo38> I do have an idea about how to implement a hardware PHI instruction: Make branch instructions to write the address of what would be next instruction as if it didn't branch to one register, and the actual next instruction address (regardless if it branch or not) to another register, and then the PHI instruction is a conditional move where the condition is both of these two mentioned registers have the same value.
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