< 1390609576 963337 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Quit: Excess food < 1390610068 2975 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390611735 556368 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390612307 113354 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Quit: Oh god my bouncer is down help < 1390612516 968225 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1390612530 122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olsner < 1390612531 967117 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines < 1390612545 523722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/olsner < 1390612548 977143 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390612628 912072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpuns < 1390612630 657597 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1390612640 438908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | r12 < 1390612641 949704 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: r12: command not found < 1390612642 940217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | r14 < 1390612644 194587 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: r14: command not found < 1390612653 97186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard can it be to hit a 3 key < 1390612653 291076 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, you forgot to replace the end < 1390612664 494413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi | r13 < 1390612665 890722 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :uv < 1390612667 759653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wat < 1390612706 713279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run r13 wisdom/funpun < 1390612707 64039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have /hilight funpuns, by the way < 1390612710 436147 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390612716 726998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpuns < 1390612718 468214 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns fceø fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. < 1390612731 480550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good, good < 1390612770 497792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the trouble is that it doesn't adapt to changes in wisdom/shachaf < 1390612783 463394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm. < 1390612786 749051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so imo change bin/? instead < 1390612793 127059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1390612800 61873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am doubtful. < 1390612830 491807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes only so much more of this before ? has to do exponential search. < 1390613004 700759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it would need to turn "gur shachas" into the same thing, logically. < 1390613038 140072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the oerjan < 1390613039 813767 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oerjan? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1390613064 881435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i haven't implemented an?/the removal in ?, for precisely the same reason. < 1390613082 57029 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390613083 883634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's in `learn though.) < 1390613114 160299 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390613143 372143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if someone tries fffsfsfsfsfsffs which logically should turn into the empty string, WHAT THEN < 1390613152 107300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1390613153 589328 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1390613236 122969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you have general rot-n + s-removal, we can collapse most of wisdom. < 1390613301 154494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? madness < 1390613302 668403 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1390613314 851482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn madness lies thataway. < 1390613319 352798 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1390613348 419247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/madness < 1390613350 46632 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/madness: No such file or directory < 1390613350 947977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/madnes < 1390613352 444048 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/madnes < 1390613369 157977 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390613374 732309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM? < 1390613387 206581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? madnesses < 1390613388 809051 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :madnesses? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1390613407 817759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/madnes{,s} < 1390613411 102243 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390613454 975192 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1390614302 713674 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1390615024 842834 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390615971 634570 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1390618496 668719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390618640 794582 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1390620248 5302 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390620312 301322 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esolangs where every sequence of input bytes is a valid program? discounting ones like Whitespace that just ignore the majority of bytes < 1390620334 346057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jot ? < 1390620336 791453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not byte-oriented, but < 1390620356 120152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BCT too, I suppose < 1390620377 918261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, not as interesting as you might hope for for such a thing :/ < 1390620447 583453 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could make a language Jot' where a Jot' program is interpreted by converting the bytes to bits and then removing '10*' from the end < 1390620493 250662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, of course < 1390620503 866695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or even just require the number of bits to be divisible by eight... < 1390620516 913161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably still TC, I imagine, you should be able to construct some appropriate padding...) < 1390620522 795592 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1390620542 438938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember reading about more interesting languages like this? but I can't remember their names or anything < 1390620544 185982 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be very weird if it wasn't < 1390620575 623860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be kind of cute to have something that was more like a "regular" language with actual syntactical structure, but that had an overzealous enough error-correction mechanism that any random garbage did something. < 1390620597 382479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs ploki < 1390620597 575541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you'd need it to be pretty weird to have interesting results from that, I guess. < 1390620600 263624 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the thing that inspired this question was a post I read somewhere saying "Lisp has no syntax") < 1390620605 254158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightquake: do machine codes of various kinds count? < 1390620617 860188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably nothing is "invalid" there, just some things cause the machine to triple fault or whatever. < 1390620623 489837 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1390620637 960732 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp has no syntax <-- just ignore this < 1390620642 173578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I forgot < 1390620643 884760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lightquake < 1390620645 798008 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14164 < 1390620645 984706 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what about brainfuck (with bytes instad of characters) < 1390620647 908335 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13lightquake: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.) < 1390620659 516002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, who made relcome do per-word rainbows? < 1390620660 126014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: presumably it has the same issue as whitespace < 1390620664 864016 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you might... yeah < 1390620670 899840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was so much prettier... uglier?... before < 1390620677 818370 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :prugly < 1390620682 962347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't mauke say something along the lines of everything is a valid ploki program? < 1390620685 967580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1390620691 810414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-12-22.txt:06:49:05: kmc: there is some documentation at http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/ploki/ploki-0.6.5.1/doc/ < 1390620694 819498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-12-22.txt:06:49:16: but like the rest of ploki, it's part of the practical joke < 1390620697 844563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-12-22.txt:06:50:16: e.g. it's not obvious from the description of the syntax that ploki has literally no syntax errors < 1390620707 119044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(site is down, like mauke) < 1390620742 117033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can have kinds of errors other than syntax, of course < 1390620747 644373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just easier to avoid < 1390620757 687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/5015df0b9872/src/ploki/doc to the rescue) < 1390620760 9296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK. < 1390620780 672329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer per-word rainbows < 1390620787 82492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i was too lazy to make that change myself < 1390620825 100971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightquake: one downside of trying to make a language like this is that there's a lot of non-printable bytes < 1390620831 892187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generally people like programs to be textual < 1390620837 982502 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1390620861 29071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it's a instruction-per-byte thing (kind of boring, but), either you add a bunch of unnecessary fluff in the non-printable bytes, or humans aren't really going to enjoy writing programs < 1390620903 12397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jot where you look at the last bit of every byte. < 1390620916 928599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '0' `mod` 2 < 1390620918 239585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1390620957 195182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's ignoring the majority of bits < 1390620958 258789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most processor architectures assign a meaning to every byte sequence < 1390620963 916459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though lightquake did say bytes, admittedly >_> < 1390620974 139749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original question was 19:11 is there an esolang where every sequence of characters/bytes (pick one) is a valid program? < 1390620974 879904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted many of them will mean "jump to the invalid instruction interrupt handler" but that's still well-defined < 1390620995 197899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently the answer of "characters using a two-character alphabet" isn't good enough. < 1390621005 376890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep boop < 1390621036 147005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the original question I saw was 03:25:12 are there any esolangs where every sequence of input bytes is a valid program? discounting ones like Whitespace that just ignore the majority of bytes < 1390621084 167161 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the original original was over in #haskell-blah < 1390621117 133322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully my IRC client no longer shows me messages from #haskell-blah :) < 1390621121 114821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might ask why i'm still in #haskell-blah < 1390621131 974290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more bearable nowadays with my 66-nick /ignore list < 1390621138 643028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at one point you might ask what the point is < 1390621157 843963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might question why #esoteric continues to be #shachaf-complaining-about-#haskell... < 1390621170 927120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightquake: anyway, I think this question is maybe more interesting in terms of non-esolangs < 1390621181 417841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it does appear in the wild at least arguably for things like machine code < 1390621201 661889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran /dev/urandom as a http://esolangs.org/wiki/BytePusher program a bunch of times a while ago < 1390621202 170205 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unintentional joke accent http://www.ted.com/talks/yves_morieux_as_work_gets_more_complex_6_rules_to_simplify.html < 1390621210 126462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes there were vaguely interesting results < 1390621232 455134 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never felt the need to /ignore someone on #haskell* < 1390621331 659686 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that looks neat < 1390621478 307531 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were the vaguely interesting results like? < 1390621595 780018 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefighters meet Snoop Dogg http://i.imgur.com/b3T3i3a.png < 1390621607 140808 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :started getting misspelled extracts from the pentagon papers < 1390621704 72065 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1390622108 89292 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion : ahahahahahaha < 1390622146 752023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott < 1390622853 620855 :lightquake!someuserna@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWEcfTzJts < 1390622940 338996 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightquake: :-) < 1390623290 293901 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390623324 203902 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390623357 287764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Snoop Dogg was nabbed by a real "Snoop Dogg"" adorable < 1390623397 861998 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390623412 775904 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390623498 440949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all dogs are adorable, until they kill you. ok maybe not those in that competition. < 1390623534 797723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay dogs < 1390623579 263659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firefighters meet Snoop Dogg after alarm goes off in rapper's smoke-filled Melbourne hotel room" < 1390623586 690599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you jusnt said that < 1390623595 315589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'A spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Fire Brigade says "smoke from an unidentified source" triggered the alarm in Snoop Dogg's room.' < 1390623619 924258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolllllllllllllll < 1390623620 476022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i thought he was named snoop lion now < 1390623661 712972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i wondered about that last time, apparently he varies it by genre or something < 1390623678 852497 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lion is reggae or something right < 1390623724 897432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1390625116 499287 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390625151 215013 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390625399 272833 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390625429 172854 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390626984 734424 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390627019 346265 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390627289 282617 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390629117 792261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: with key = 'CBCdemonstration', iv = "\30063G\364`=\267\332\027\032$\252\266_V", plaintext = "HDR!JUNKNOW(16)!\371HY)m\245\016\322\226\303\206K\n\230\275\eNOP!DATANOW(12)!more text...END!" < 1390629137 143781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :enc_cbc(key, iv, plaintext) = "HDR!DATANOW(12)!hello there.END!\343\317/\214\003)\320\371\000\001r\345\200\035.!\207\335\356\b\267?]%k\315\357\016\244\366\034m" < 1390629156 587232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's just crazy talk. < 1390629199 693678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reproducei guess if you had padding you'd need to do a little more work but you can just use junk < 1390629318 915605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://slbkbs.org/im.rb < 1390631039 260959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this consider to be a OK kind of C code if "enc_rle" is a global variable? if(enc_rle[i].data[0] && !enc_rle[rc].data[strlen(enc_rle[i].data)]) rc=i; < 1390631130 917168 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in c++ you could namespace it to limit the damage < 1390631172 23443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: What damage, sorry I do not understand? < 1390631180 683866 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, namespace pollution < 1390631184 392570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is a "static" global variable, though) < 1390631192 66246 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1390631242 508754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to compare the lengths of two strings that are stored in global variables (which are only ever written once) < 1390631329 414157 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't ever need two instances of that component you're fine I guess < 1390631358 90722 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the strings aren't std::string's either right? :D < 1390631370 814841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It isn't; it is a C code, not C++. < 1390631420 904837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it is a standalone program. < 1390631558 899270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't program in C++. < 1390631669 297622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither C nor C++ nor any other programming language I know of supports the kind of +|^ operator that I have made up once, and often wanted to use. < 1390631687 436765 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it and why does it have such a dumb name < 1390631773 537110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the one that's equivalent to +, | or ^ when there are no bits that are 1 in both operands, and undefined otherwise. The point being that the implementation can pick the most efficient way. < 1390631794 523500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that if x&y==0 then x+|^y==x+y, otherwise x+|^y is undefined. < 1390631830 771206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :+|^ is kind of a mouthful. < 1390631841 837319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C does have that operator. < 1390631847 558026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called + < 1390631919 120482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, x+y is undefined if (x&y) != 0? All my code is so wrong! < 1390631968 451432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It isn't, but that is what the +|^ operator is for, so that it is. < 1390632023 30005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but Mr. Chaf just said that's the same as +. < 1390632088 280683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that if you #define +|^ + it would behave exactly like zzo38's operator < 1390632107 123094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you write x+y and the compiler can't prove (x&y) == 0, which sounds p. likely, it can't replace it with an or operator even if that would be faster. < 1390632111 371371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if (a&b)==0 then also a+b==(a|b) < 1390632117 730537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Won't that be a syntax error though? < 1390632411 931425 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god i just had a horrible thought xml as a racket language < 1390632421 691251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure if Racket was more popular this would be a thing < 1390632437 108183 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... for config files, it's still better than reading at runtime, but... still. eww < 1390632440 353859 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww.el < 1390633689 904104 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Rouringu de hajikunda! < 1390634579 164971 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390634821 668089 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.154.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1390635287 575838 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are SNAP-qualified foods healthier than the average food? < 1390635304 34178 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondering if that would be a good personal guideline on eating better < 1390635570 46766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting question < 1390635611 507409 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1390635623 79572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect it to be politicized to hell < 1390635670 753457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :politicans love to micromanage the poor because (being rich themselves) they're convinced that poorness is caused by moral failure that can only be solved by the guiding hand of the rich < 1390635681 654917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because the ketchup lobby will spend big bucks to get ketchup on the list < 1390635709 495225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have zero knowledge of how the decisions are actually made < 1390635771 308298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you would be better off coming up with some basic nutritional goals (e.g. total calories, % from protein, % from fat) and looking at the labels that exist on every food < 1390635868 13370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played some computer game that had this mentioned: "I am 40. I am nothing. A snake makes this sound. And I drink this at 4:00." I managed to solve it but as far as I can tell it is probably supposed to say 50, not 40. < 1390635883 180613 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1390635901 222120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? what is the solution? < 1390635981 24035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not figure it out? It isn't really so difficult, although I was confused by the 40 at first. < 1390635987 343846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something hiss tea < 1390636022 194622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do snakes make other sounds? some of them rattle but not typical snakes < 1390636092 678373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but that isn't the point. < 1390636186 35806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point? < 1390636202 586211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @snake_ebooks < 1390636522 70739 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just a heads up, if you start a trend of better-off people "eating like the poor" i will hurt you. < 1390636593 856760 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the actual question i half-remember that there are the usual dumb restrictions you get with these things < 1390636607 420484 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like red apples are ok but granny apples aren't for no reason, that kinda crap < 1390636677 824503 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items enjoying theh pumpkin note?? < 1390636693 861218 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Items such as birthday and other special occasion cakes are eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits as long as the value of non-edible decorations does not exceed 50 percent of the purchase price of the cake." < 1390636731 303614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the worst is when rich people try to "eat for $1 a day" and talk about how easy it is (you know, as long as you can buy $100 of ingredients in bulk and have a well equipped kitchen and copious free time to cook and shop around) < 1390636771 608498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ah I see they closed the "birthday cake with a Playstation centerpiece" loophole < 1390636774 963854 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :couple months? years? back this congressman bought (had a staffer buy) snap stuff and was like WELL SHIT GUESS WE CAN CUT EVEN MORE < 1390636786 769004 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :had not been that angry at a person in a long time < 1390636818 793537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing that people with plenty of money to spare think that people who barely scrape by every day are the ones who are bad at managing money < 1390636851 885827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course when banks are bad at managing money to the tune of billions, we gotta help them out < 1390636912 660206 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen too many daily show sketches about that to even care any more, i just kind of smolder < 1390636927 888986 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :napalm that fucking orchard < 1390637068 51497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://medium.com/quinn-norton/f3db7e13e6e3 < 1390637092 666459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're never going to save your way out of being poor unless you're willing to walk away from family and loved ones and let them suffer and sometimes die." < 1390637109 761271 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i know people who did that and are still fucked < 1390637137 703143 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still good though. does "some scottish sci-fi authors" mean stross or what < 1390637149 628816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure who else < 1390637154 351156 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... don't think i can name any other scottish sci-fi authors < 1390637176 960890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "money is a sign of poverty" is an iain banks quote i believe < 1390637448 640154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which iain banks book should i read, again < 1390637470 788556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my secret shame is that I've not read any of them < 1390637691 584911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference between a secret shame and a nonsecret shame < 1390637704 635380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask phantom_hoover which iain banks book should i read, again < 1390637704 906416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1390637986 778860 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390637994 618211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw zzo38's puzzle _is_ easy (with 50 instead of 40) hth < 1390638254 737616 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390638272 729344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you sure it's easy < 1390638281 206927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite sure < 1390638307 36588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's easy then why don't i know the answer by now < 1390638343 544873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because you're failing the turing test hth < 1390638381 461287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something isn't easy for computers then it's not truly easy < 1390638405 15035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what a computer would say. < 1390640314 975386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2014/01/todays-outage-for-several-google.html < 1390641321 480148 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try defining $setter in Kernel, where ($setter foo) is a function that will mutate foo < 1390641488 634587 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :($define! ($vau (sym) env ($lambda (new) (eval (list $set! env sym new) (get-current-environment))))) < 1390641490 901037 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not tested yet < 1390641492 177649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1390641573 952965 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :($define! $setter ($vau (sym) env ($lambda (new) (eval (list $set! env sym new) (get-current-environment))))) < 1390641576 36644 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to work < 1390641589 365161 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no < 1390641593 841196 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1390641931 493633 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1390641977 971906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new can get double-evaluated < 1390642000 395071 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean the whole thing. what does setting a variable outside of an environment even mean. < 1390642093 483953 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :($vau (sym env) dyn ($let ((env (eval env dyn))) ($lambda (val) (eval (list $set! env sym val) (make-environment))))) or some shit like that < 1390642212 658853 :Bike!~aeshtaer@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://24.media.tumblr.com/f558a070cf4e473ee3053f39b0974a27/tumblr_mzy672mzBK1s71q1zo1_500.png do not disengage < 1390644156 604522 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1390644637 500814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1390647291 907406 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1390648141 354410 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE AXIS OF EVAL < 1390648256 736532 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night I had a dream that someone wrote such bad Haskell code he accidentally summoned the Great Old Ones and I had to fix the Haskell code and save the day < 1390648801 704438 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390649055 686090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it me < 1390650167 661289 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390650494 700784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390650836 8200 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1390650895 133404 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390651565 681844 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What did the code look like? < 1390651591 907946 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1390651839 653271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably was written in EBCDIC < 1390652894 72620 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390653030 225827 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390654007 340798 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.181 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1390656103 946332 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390659796 745712 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.130.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390660838 766678 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1390661031 715661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390661986 446259 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1390662000 516638 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1390662364 726663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappointed. WolframAlpha doesn't know the volume of a CF card. Nor a SD or MicroSD card. < 1390662685 111710 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390663090 297914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia lists dimensions, at least < 1390663102 840297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I only looked at the CF card page) < 1390663283 273573 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390663347 130621 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390664144 172025 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-228.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1390664166 382075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It does know about SD and MicroSD cards. < 1390664193 592804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you type in "microsd volume", the input interpretation is "SD card form factors", and the result is a table for SD, miniSD and microSD. < 1390664207 910213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Containing length, width, thickness, area, volume, weight and number of pins. < 1390664242 611318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't figured out the right magic words for a CF card, though. If there are any. < 1390664308 616322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably doesn't "properly" know the volume of one kind of card, though, if you wanted to e.g. divide something by it. (I've used the Wikipedia numbers for that, earlier.) < 1390666355 52727 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1390667355 974865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? I tried "volume of microsd" < 1390667400 686607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wanted to figure out how much storage you would be able to fit into a SSD by filling it with 64 GB MicroSD < 1390667944 63864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heh, "CF card form factor" is interpreted as a comparison of three publicly traded companies, "CF Industries (CF)", "Cardio3 Biosciences (CARD)" and "FormFactor (FORM)". < 1390668087 958542 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :) < 1390668093 550878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love smart software. < 1390668339 303848 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1390668683 896914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the answer btw is ~33.07 TB I think < 1390668686 800559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1390668932 842346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message in a bottle, hmm. < 1390669011 59944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we playing "how much data can I fit up my nose"? < 1390669046 474518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Last night I had a dream that someone wrote such bad Haskell code he accidentally summoned the Great Old Ones and I had to fix the Haskell code and save the day < 1390669052 633077 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1163) Last night I had a dream that someone wrote such bad Haskell code he accidentally summoned the Great Old Ones and I had to fix the Haskell code and save the day < 1390669083 110189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.co.cr/28000-rubber-ducks-teach-us-about-our-ocean-systems/10534/ -- I wonder what could be done if each of them had a couple of micro SD cards. < 1390669194 117703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1390669289 305433 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390669385 415372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added in "dream.txt" now. < 1390669393 212642 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: because fising the code made the Great Old Ones go away? < 1390669402 482110 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yes < 1390669421 79480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fisting the code?? < 1390669431 631735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably just renamed the HasTur data type. < 1390669555 99650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is case-sensitive, and the name is specified in ASCII, so I won't expect that part of it at least to be a problem unless conflicting with other libraries, and in such a case there probably is badly written code somewhere in the system anyways. < 1390669575 385440 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixing < 1390669599 956211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hint: never call unsafeAl'whya_al_Cthulhu_fhatagan_K'kili'far_al_is_ar'arkas_fal_dep'wa < 1390669606 806505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you prefer fisting the code? < 1390669627 921322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than fixing it? < 1390669632 581000 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390669651 428147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you not familiar with the Hastur meme < 1390669672 287988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But you wrote HasTur, not Hastur, and since it is case-sensitive it is OK. < 1390669685 351456 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am not < 1390669699 211885 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the Eastern States Standard Oil programming room? < 1390669701 405170 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it annoys me when people use 'Cthulhu ftahgn' in inappropriate contexts < 1390669713 750146 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fhtagn < 1390669721 209352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if hastur cares about capitalization. < 1390669723 756073 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :luser0, no that's #essoteric on irc.dal.net < 1390669741 70344 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TY Taner < 1390669756 840821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well the idea is that it is an elder god so powerful that it knows when someone refers to its name... and may decide to show up. < 1390669776 850500 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok... < 1390669790 193535 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what tags are needed for fhagn outs? < 1390669795 720725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i vaguely recall it may be a d&d thing rather than an actual cthulhu mythos thing < 1390669801 630161 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have a page on knowyourmeme < 1390669802 946277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sorry. the main point was that it is a valid Haskell identifier. < 1390669813 395149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's too old to have a page there < 1390669822 731074 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, where is dreams.txt? < 1390669836 109688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locate locate < 1390669837 423653 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: locate: command not found < 1390669840 585774 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old ones were before Haskell, I do not believe it; prove it < 1390669847 485775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, it is called "dream.txt" < 1390669857 970541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, okay, but where can I find it? < 1390669870 961828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://zzo38computer.org/misc/weird_dream/dream.txt < 1390669872 97969 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it publicly available? < 1390669876 639867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fair < 1390669877 580582 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1390669878 428323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :luser0: are you secretly hastur showing up because we talk about you? < 1390669890 573872 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I just get annoyed at people who think fhtagn means 'rises' or 'wakes' or something < 1390669893 629901 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means 'sleeps' < 1390669896 367518 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I am a perl program that smells like a cow < 1390669940 66963 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1390670017 87696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :luser0: what's your state on this scale: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/cow ? < 1390670050 851882 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that 0-3; i must be about a five < 1390670166 28230 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you are in the quick sand so deep just wait for the barrels to rise < 1390670259 88948 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so, plenty of overhead < 1390670372 193185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?140676-Summoning-Hastur has a discussion < 1390671219 858558 :luser0!~chatzilla@2602:306:38a0:c749:21d:72ff:fea4:5b69 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390671594 243435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen probably more than one different MIME type used for C source codes. < 1390671748 906118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390672574 987859 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390673769 280713 :namaskar_!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390674198 391109 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390674879 730000 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1390676276 697250 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390676531 859337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390677961 792241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390677979 373481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1390679065 598427 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390679101 216089 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390679354 34065 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390679389 822835 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390679466 207566 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Racket devs think having a cohesive community that can talk to each other can solve all problems. Which sounds great until the community gets larger < 1390679647 964162 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390679828 883983 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1390679910 376643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1390680768 103799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Sirlin's Puzzle Strike and Yomi games? < 1390680826 241988 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Ngevd < 1390681151 973469 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fark.com/comments/8115704/The-Iowa-GOP-takes-national-partys-outreach-efforts-to-grassroots-level-by-posting-a-thigh-slappingly-hi-larious-is-someone-a-racist-flowchart-on-its-Facebook-page < 1390681190 633829 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1390681747 998394 :Ngevd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb < 1390681943 825836 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-71-29.pptp.stw-bonn.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1390682159 935075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :V. fancy, an Android tablet internetted just like that, out of the box, when I plugged it to wired Ethernet (via a cheapo USB Ethernet dongle and an USB OTG cable). < 1390682189 546540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I could find no place in the menus where it'd have said any details about the network connection was using. < 1390682786 89307 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1390684692 259089 :mekeor!~user@95-91-234-80-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1390685242 598564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just technical problems or does that include community problems too < 1390685305 422030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sometimes things work just because they forgot to remove the parts that make them work < 1390685325 167793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend says USB keyboards work on iOS for similar reasons < 1390685330 66383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin supports them and nobody bothered removing it < 1390685701 825444 :feckturd!~feckturd@185.3.135.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390685703 1230 :feckturd!~feckturd@185.3.135.154 PART :#esoteric < 1390686068 414818 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390686077 122655 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1390686222 631683 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm thinking specifically of packages with conflicting module names < 1390686250 871604 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that a primarily technical problem < 1390686617 646584 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O Chicken Scheme once had an SRFI 72 egg but no longer does < 1390686618 293332 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1390687186 199516 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if racket-langs is more appropriate than racket-lang < 1390687197 29836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1390687629 743365 :mekeor!~user@95-91-234-80-dynip.superkabel.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390687810 953970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket 5.92 was released < 1390687985 792697 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-228.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390688541 313204 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390689060 613114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The USB dongle actually mentions Android on the list of things-it-works-on, now that I look at the packaging. < 1390689413 528731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390689477 739151 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390690119 859683 :prooftechnique!~Also@c-174-63-103-117.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390690183 166597 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390691629 673992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't a understand, but cpufreq frequency scaling has stopped a-working. The "ondemand" governor seems to no longer exist, and the "conservative" one just doesn't appear in the cpufreq-info or /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors lists, even after manully modprobing it; the module loads, but does nothing. < 1390692141 339057 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390692277 983904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also cpufreq-info et al. are saying it's using the "powersave" governor, but the speed is still stuck at the highest possible. < 1390692440 524533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently something has switched from acpi_cpufreq to intel_pstate, which is so different. < 1390692549 684573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58801 it's something vaguely like that. < 1390693334 967509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you need to set the minimum speed setting then? < 1390693378 703515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The minimum was already set to the hardware minimum. < 1390693402 281513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just doing what it wants to do.