< 1390435798 906387 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390435809 142326 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390436339 249287 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.154.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390436377 667321 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390438172 811105 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390438474 894402 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390438477 241181 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started to write a Java class with 7 words in its name < 1390438520 190863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the name? < 1390438550 486422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even AbstractSingletonFactoryProxyBean only has 5 words, but I suppose you could tack on two more to say what it actually does < 1390438559 241714 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390438626 455218 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't want to say it in public < 1390438664 586409 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1390438667 92272 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with Quassel < 1390438673 835630 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to message kmc, doesn't seem to be working < 1390438683 678284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1390438690 16024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have received your secret dispatch < 1390438716 752597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it has even more words if you expand acronyms :) < 1390438757 590070 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds scary < 1390438763 636943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to know < 1390438781 532480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it is just that it's a subclass of an already verbose class < 1390438796 406494 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bare in mind I only know Java by reputation) < 1390438802 111082 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bear < 1390438941 983608 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might not even use the class... Java's notion of wrappers kind of scares me < 1390438957 350043 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense that I can see some ways to do what I want, but nothing that strikes me as safe < 1390438992 910307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390439032 222742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only guess that Phantom_Hoover's Java allergy guided him away from the channel just in time < 1390439067 646881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was rebooting to arch because windows was running the fan at full blast for some reason < 1390439106 668535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch meanwhile has, out of nowhere, started scrolling more than a page with every click of the scrollwheel, rendering it frustratingly useless < 1390439252 789866 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There is such a thing as excessive love for Rust: http://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1o9tp4/sicp_with_rust/ < 1390439296 575800 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel less ... confused by attempts to translate it to CL or Clojure < 1390439662 103787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok why is my scrollwheel fucked and how do i unfuck it < 1390440400 19612 :Poolala!cf069b9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.155.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390441048 566918 :Poolala!cf069b9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.6.155.157 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1390441156 335508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try turning it off and back on again < 1390442321 86080 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Java isn't so much "scary" as "bureaucratic". < 1390442591 169416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amount of accidental complexity is pretty scary < 1390442594 558061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you care about software that works < 1390443364 852495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390445467 994013 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if you could get a job in any language you wanted, what would it be? are you only sick of the haskell community or did the language itself get old too? < 1390445549 277526 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390445612 934034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I still like Haskell; I also expect there are many corners of the Haskell community that I would enjoy < 1390445628 479968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've long thought that IRC isn't really representative of the people who are using Haskell in production < 1390445630 884986 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try #haskell-lens? < 1390445633 812008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little < 1390445647 484893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hard to keep up when there are so many other things to spend my time and energy on < 1390445655 834753 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1390445660 250765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't think of language choice as a super important factor in picking a job < 1390445667 687796 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, same < 1390445676 224487 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I would indeed prefer haskell :) < 1390445677 591119 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's rust? < 1390445688 185716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1390445709 161224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rapid rate of change in the language can get annoying < 1390445716 614937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when things get worse (but usually for good reason) < 1390445750 852517 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sorts of things get worse? < 1390445783 14083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have time to talk about it right now, sorry < 1390445840 337837 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1390447027 434411 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My poor nose. < 1390447033 469922 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has become a portal to the mucus dimension. < 1390447855 228466 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am officially considering myself lactose intolerant again < 1390447868 896460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On an unrelated note, I consider today a failure of see something say something < 1390448000 387129 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told a person at the train station about some plastic bag at the tracks, called to tell them about a waiting room that smelled heavily of gasoline. Got thanked a lot, but probably wasted everyone's time < 1390448019 556544 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have got to stop being so panicky < 1390448644 219977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 940 (Don't care if it's been done, I haven't seen it) < 1390448646 159504 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 940 (Don't care if it's been done, I haven't seen it): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily < 1390449041 80066 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been done. So much for me not caring < 1390449206 741612 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1390450545 943316 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390450659 981578 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390451998 960117 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390452033 761708 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390452115 976309 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390452278 669276 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390452421 245153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1390452471 901785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: :-( < 1390452521 915951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should tell #cslounge-trains also < 1390452522 772947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1390452523 859932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1390452574 809372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that channel into olist < 1390452582 309455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, trains < 1390452616 352831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I meant the story that had something to do with trains < 1390452638 605760 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1390452691 464415 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390452751 659939 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390453875 594022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-void < 1390453875 924592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 15h 46m ago: maybe I'm a meta-näkki? < 1390453927 436577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily If you met a näkki, you wouldn't be here. QED. < 1390453927 790039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1390453950 197966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is crushed by ye olde falling anvil. < 1390454619 669792 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1390454620 458235 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bbs0wB3CQAEDUZE.png < 1390454637 842051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssss < 1390454670 951602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.racket-lang.org/unstable/2d.html < 1390454832 75673 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to work for me < 1390454848 160931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if Racket v6 is needed, but those aren't the nightly docs < 1390454873 701361 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, needed a require < 1390455011 257706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the merging supports things like isolated islands < 1390455019 739972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a circular sea < 1390455115 295463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "No cells may span rows." < 1390455163 343525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's for #2dtabular < 1390455240 490336 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still feel iffy about the difficulty of making lexical syntax scanners that take up only a portion of the file... although that's done here, it required an addition to the #lang line < 1390455530 763065 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390455836 667741 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1390457091 176966 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1390461786 982154 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1390462072 253428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of computer golf games will allow you to select the set of clubs during the game instead of only before it starts or being hardcoded in? < 1390463868 666897 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1390464191 44422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that one windows golf game that let you always carry all of the clubs around < 1390464202 901851 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was centuries ago < 1390464261 522474 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't that work if you have enough people carrying them around for you? < 1390464322 848563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe zzo38 means like style and model of clubs. < 1390464410 170167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you can have only fourteen clubs; I mean to allowed you to select which fourteen clubs without having to select before it starts. < 1390464473 804917 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't the rules of golf require you to select before the match starts < 1390464513 586541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it actually allows you to select even during the match, as long as you don't delay the game and don't remove any you have already added, and don't have more than fourteen, and exactly one is the putter. < 1390464548 960461 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1390464577 878847 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want to be able to decide on an as-needed basis, adding clubs to your bag one by one. < 1390464588 306917 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems kind of cheaty < 1390464630 501205 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people should invent transformer clubs < 1390464660 308330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transforming golf clubs are explicitly prohibited by the rules, though. < 1390464773 8010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that < 1390464814 665665 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1390464823 567248 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a strange game < 1390464830 685429 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only winning move is not to play < 1390464845 786903 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that makes me a winner < 1390464918 296221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i couldn't find my copy of modplug tracker. i always lose it. so i didn't listen to your song. < 1390464945 341998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It isn't made in Modplug Tracker, and I don't think Modplug Tracker will play it anyways. < 1390465006 935599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not? < 1390465023 516560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it isn't a tracker format. < 1390465045 801859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But even if it is, there are a few that Modplug doesn't support.) < 1390465069 754200 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some kind of waveform? < 1390465076 101672 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what all players support it < 1390465078 561045 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc? < 1390465089 666512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think VLC might play it; I'm not sure. < 1390465119 419482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accidentally unzipped it into a big folder with other stuff < 1390465126 529925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which file extension is it < 1390465131 421838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is .nsf < 1390465149 804527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is updated now; now there are three files and a few fixes to the old ones < 1390465152 9110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good. i like national science foundation files < 1390465164 195510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean three songs; they are all compiled into a single .nsf) < 1390465199 877720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A .nsf file is a program in 6502 machine code that writes audio registers of up to seven kind of sound chips. < 1390465250 320050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one uses only the 2A03 chip, which should be supported in all programs that play NSF; some programs may lack support for some of the other sound chips though.) < 1390465429 732045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390465472 63677 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think any standard music players support it :/ < 1390465519 37597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, some do; the music player included standard with Ubuntu seems to play it. Also, any NES/Famicom emulator should play it. < 1390465519 851519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390465560 225405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At Free Geek they have Ubuntu and I tried loading a .NSF and it played it) < 1390465561 25686 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, gstreamer has an NSF plug-in built in: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166752 < 1390465585 872580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't have that player < 1390465616 588264 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know some niche music and non-music formats with no known such plugins besides from Winamp... < 1390465617 82582 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.videolan.org/Gme/ < 1390465660 266275 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=33305 < 1390465769 570923 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1390465817 9269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes VLC can play it. I don't know which sound chips it supports other than 2A03, but this particular one doesn't use any others anyways, so it is OK. < 1390466187 314093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However you might want to redownload the .zip since it is updated. < 1390466399 295263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file "attrzone.nsf" is a playable music file with three tracks, "attrzone.asm" is source file for th e game, "attrzone.nes" is the game binary, "attrzone.orc" is a Csound orchestra file, "aznsf.asm" is source code for the NSF, "huffer.c" is a Huffman analysis and compression program, "leveldec.inc" and "levelptr.inc" are automatically created from the compression < 1390466482 96034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lvlcopy.c" is used to extract RAM images, "mkperiod.bas" is source for "tone.bin", "pc.chr" is the PC character set, "read.me" currently is useless, "rle.dat" is input for huffer.c, "song*.mml" are sources for each song, "song*.bin" are (unplayable) binaries for each song, "tone.bin" is a lookup table to convert note numbers to periods, and "ziplist" lists all the files in the ZIP. < 1390467526 724284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390468761 122059 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390469304 206224 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390469502 384549 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1390471614 659030 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390472296 326039 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1390472408 843290 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1390472969 283745 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1390474112 491582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1390475174 822637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390475208 225629 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390475775 735384 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1390475957 181210 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390476156 921316 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1390476974 722593 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390477197 174153 :mazyod!~Adium@192-195-83-167.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390477248 104076 :mazyod!~Adium@192-195-83-167.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PART :#esoteric < 1390477532 252105 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390478413 70998 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390479208 216787 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390479892 364853 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390480150 216985 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390480204 913005 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390480644 213506 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390481063 699147 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1390482068 892564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :! Too many }'s. < 1390482069 46655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :l.437 } < 1390482072 663268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, LaTeX. < 1390482119 281895 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390482182 235160 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390482183 271338 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390482475 484115 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good M24 morning! < 1390482482 29631 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1390482482 356463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7h 55m 54s ago: If you met a näkki, you wouldn't be here. QED. < 1390482505 215282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1390482505 617640 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 231250Z 02005KT 9999 FEW002 M14/M16 Q1033 NOSIG < 1390482509 963898 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1390482510 303076 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 231300Z 23009KT 15SM FEW010 BKN200 M23/M27 A3010 RMK SF1CI7 SF TR SLP197 < 1390482525 973282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was M17 or so in the morning, seems to have warmed up a bit. < 1390482541 210146 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan of course I wouldn't be here, I'd be meating a näkki. < 1390482541 602733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1390482542 764742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also we have a 2 kW electric heater in the office now. < 1390482577 783787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the middle of the room, and feels very primal. "Gather 'round the fire" and all that. < 1390482595 819091 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do anyone of you have a guitar? < 1390482974 360497 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390483204 624114 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390483414 150873 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1390485524 694916 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1390488384 661779 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390488485 814017 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PART :#esoteric < 1390488679 810528 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390488750 283531 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1390490770 985057 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390490818 801052 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.154.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390490963 113422 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa JOIN :#esoteric < 1390490987 441591 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome trn < 1390490990 86743 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06trn: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1390492030 653637 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390492379 306554 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello guys. < 1390492454 211454 :messi!~canaima@200.11.146.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390492513 674724 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1390492584 550376 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome messi < 1390492586 865786 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04messi: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.) < 1390492605 304170 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trn: are you an esolang amateur? < 1390492833 669582 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much so. < 1390492843 897104 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually not all that much into the esolangs themselves. < 1390492876 210883 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like esoteric and retro projects and the creativity and cleverness of it all. < 1390492909 862586 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this one day i was thinking < 1390492925 662478 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i got this crazy idea < 1390492950 571606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that maybe i could try to make an esolang < 1390492971 769620 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what got into me < 1390493015 860708 :messi!~canaima@200.11.146.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brother tenqui < 1390493223 518397 :messi!~canaima@200.11.146.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recome maricon < 1390493380 492159 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I have a PDP-11 port of CP/M for example. < 1390493531 558918 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trn: nice! < 1390493534 323289 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :messi: eh? < 1390494187 612200 :messi!~canaima@200.11.146.254 PART :#esoteric < 1390495477 853228 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390495695 210800 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390495761 200993 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1390495800 245300 :heroux!~heroux@5070835B.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1390495818 276559 :heroux!~heroux@5070835B.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390495975 545636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a PDP-11 though? < 1390496350 455559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyi wouldn't expect a an original 1960s DEC product to run at all < 1390496436 215560 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me. < 1390496612 333912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/ looks relevant < 1390496657 204085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though they don't say whether they are still using original hardware. there's a reason why they might: the plant is probably certified including the computer hardware in use.) < 1390496753 582056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1390496761 104803 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems reasonable < 1390496810 109544 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could just keep a computer in its exact current state for a lifetime, never modifying it except to apply security patches, and always having support < 1390496817 426285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the world doesn't work that way < 1390496953 121616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1390497028 863748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ENVA < 1390497029 241096 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 231650Z 14025KT CAVOK M03/M16 Q1019 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 17020KT < 1390497040 613639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lewd < 1390497040 952343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 4h 1m 39s ago: of course I wouldn't be here, I'd be meating a näkki. < 1390497452 536083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LEWD < 1390497452 854018 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1390497477 174221 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390497485 831651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's in the middle of the room, and feels very primal. "Gather 'round the fire" and all that. <-- electric cavemen? < 1390497557 490778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trn: hi there, didn't you use to be my usenet reader < 1390497682 317426 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would have recommended tin myself :b < 1390497741 113706 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390497755 656005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when i last did usenet, slrn seemed to be the ultra-fancy one people recommended < 1390497793 642873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use tin < 1390497795 970633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1390497801 458317 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use slrn now. < 1390497808 143449 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1390497810 491986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this may have been last millennium, certainly not long after) < 1390497929 77836 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick usage of 'trn' predates USENET trn tho :b < 1390497968 562616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :man you're old < 1390498061 184953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you'll tell us you used original pdp-11s < 1390498113 70595 :trn!jhj@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:feae:3efa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really PDP-11's much, but VAX. < 1390498126 111346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah me too < 1390498339 931153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This file include some description of unusual feature of VAX: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ian/Computer_architectures < 1390498442 556109 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.codecombat.com/having-your-algorithms-ass-kicked-by-the-internet this jerk describes exactly the next todo in my funge-space impl, and instead of implementing it for me dismisses it with "*Too hard*, I thought." < 1390498744 62800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'As I wrote on Wikipedia, EMODH #5345.1524[r7], @mul_ext_ptr[r0], #3.141592765[r5], @int_table[r1], @frac_table[r2] is 2+18+6+18+6+6, or 56 bytes' < 1390498749 680246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowowowow < 1390498953 178675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORIGINAL RESEARCH < 1390498985 815137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1390499444 902893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done anything with VAX programs although I have written programs using a 6502 instruction set, and sometimes tried to design my own instruction sets < 1390500990 955400 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390501047 314003 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390501802 357355 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unfungots kmc < 1390501802 550617 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's crazy talk. we should do it. < 1390501818 439459 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of course it's crazy talk. and stop perverting kmc. < 1390501818 734987 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ( untested)" at http://www.common-lisp.net/ paste/ results/ fnord children_list is list of numbers < 1390501833 67686 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: experimental corruption? interesting. < 1390501833 395247 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: who'd you suggest?) but what i have so far. http://geekz.co.uk/ lovesraymond/ archive/ html/ fnord/ files/ system%20down.txt in the < 1390501845 338268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot pervert that which is already perverted < 1390501859 319362 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think kmc is a good subject, all in all. < 1390501859 551854 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it passed 1000000). the first one is supposed to be anonymous any more. < 1390502298 512744 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2014/01/23/victoria-line-concrete-flooded-signal-room-photos-not-a-hoax/ < 1390502360 467003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gooooooooood times < 1390502470 237403 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not something that has ever happened before, eh? < 1390502512 327486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know < 1390503001 226774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :accurate flowchart < 1390503329 330698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gold standard cock-up < 1390503871 528630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they've cemented their reputation < 1390503895 513607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1390504064 189505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let he who has not accidentally filled his workplace with a fast-drying cement cast the first stone." < 1390504100 789074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of some candidates there < 1390504122 133488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this is the wrong material, but could this still qualify as yet another brick in the wall? < 1390504136 13136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1390504234 858848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _did_ brick that equipment. < 1390504240 733593 :bananCompany!~somebodyu@129.152.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1390504242 668770 :bananCompany!~somebodyu@129.152.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es PART :#esoteric < 1390504377 253397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390504611 123453 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :56 bytes for an instruction is still not as bad as that CASEx thing: "Technically it can be 8GB long, but the VAX only has 4GB of addressing space." < 1390504681 308989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION replaces boily with a specialized computer < 1390504970 961698 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390504978 851535 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not one to be so easily replaced! < 1390504987 871666 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION specially mapoles quintopia < 1390505116 336438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful! the mapole functionality works as expected. simulating boily is so easy. just a chatbot with extra mapoles, fungots, and metars. < 1390505116 662335 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it is true that you can't just generate stuff the function wants. ( both are still broken are mutt, tin, all ncurses programs, gpm,... < 1390505305 130661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1390506521 388440 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, TC again: can you say, computers are TC? if so, can you say something is TC if you can build basic logic gates and the like? < 1390506569 609952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be turing complete you need an unbounded amount of storage < 1390506578 667434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which no real computer has, so we often gloss over this detail < 1390506624 861258 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there actually some used subclass of TC with bounded memory? < 1390506703 732268 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automatons :D < 1390506720 838601 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1390506722 701482 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or finite state automata < 1390506729 897373 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point, actually < 1390506740 462186 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh? < 1390506753 98709 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite states would make them tc? < 1390506761 502783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have bounded memory, that's just a whole lot of states < 1390506772 33490 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1390506777 957435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does make sense < 1390506816 284741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390506876 79278 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the best model (2^(8*4GB) is a lot of states), but I think anything that has bounded memory *can* be reduced to one in principle < 1390506903 851074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also linear bounded automata < 1390507001 144728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBAs can recognize a larger set of languages than FSMs because... uh because the storage is proportional to the input string length, rather than completely constant < 1390507004 129314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1390507076 844870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that a TM is a "FSM with a tape", so proving that things are "basically TC" by showing they would be TC when augmented with a tape is pretty meaningless < 1390507118 654214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is only linear bounded automata a thing? how about e.g. polynomial bounded automata? < 1390507356 936132 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390507378 483604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google search for "quadratic bounded automaton" finds a textbook with an exercise to prove they're TC < 1390507386 688160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/fWYX4bE.png < 1390507396 505078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no < 1390507438 525428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that they can be recognized / simulated by a TM < 1390507439 369769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1390507482 624325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polynomial bounded automaton" would be the complexity class PSPACE, i guess? < 1390507486 312570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, decidable, not just recognizable < 1390507494 873097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1390507501 77781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. definitely not tc < 1390507540 248899 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, isn't that exercise really boring? just remove the tape use restrictions and it's exactly a TM? < 1390507541 468919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah, so the hard part is detecting that D has failed to halt on w < 1390507586 985954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not that hard because it has only |w|^2 * Σ states or so < 1390507611 397550 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1390507612 956178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just simulate it for that many steps and give up if it hasn't halted < 1390507638 609164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :|w|^2 * |Σ| i mean. gah it's been a while < 1390507674 367568 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of steps could be a lot more than the length of the tape though? < 1390507774 596825 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it'll be some number of steps that is obvious and trivial to calculate if you know how < 1390507913 361973 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-178-188-154.range86-178.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390508087 783560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390508180 382653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I still have it wrong < 1390508202 751469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like |Σ|^(1 + |w|^2) < 1390508215 422287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming same alphabet for tape and head states < 1390508266 236200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you need to include the position of the head somewhere too? < 1390508285 468492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, yes < 1390508420 805153 :aergus!~aergus@pptp-212-201-71-29.pptp.stw-bonn.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1390508461 278143 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390509790 602481 :int-e!~noone@212095007136.public.telering.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1390509841 105909 :int-e!~noone@212095007136.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs < 1390510202 227557 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390510600 359324 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lindahls.fi/tuotteet.aspx < 1390510706 569914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390510747 910602 :int-e!~noone@212095007136.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, ion! < 1390510794 928471 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, i < 1390511220 774792 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Quit: Oh god my bouncer is down help < 1390511441 273004 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1390511995 909051 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellion! < 1390512291 709967 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://glitzelectronics.com/ < 1390512434 19103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneaky < 1390512497 754524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jogurtti < 1390512513 876115 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck jogurtti < 1390512514 104012 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1390512539 530771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: whyon < 1390512564 788787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck yoğurt < 1390512565 47189 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1390512588 89122 :int-e!~noone@212095007136.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay-em-see, how does one make a pun with that? komical? < 1390512799 187952 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is notoriously unpunnable, even with `ello and other fternooning matters. < 1390512829 152044 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN < 1390512831 428617 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390512962 685937 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellegan < 1390513033 510475 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390513101 866202 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390513247 720816 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/5NIH6iV.jpg has everyone seen this yet < 1390513278 435126 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.154.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: as soon as i could answer that the answer had already become yes < 1390513428 356764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's all this then < 1390513500 258656 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stuff charlie brooks tried to hide from the police < 1390513555 398163 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as part of hackgate < 1390513605 457119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm disappointed that "instant lesbian" is a DVD and not, like, a powder you add to water < 1390513606 367799 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.154.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling stuff whatevergate is so ridiculous < 1390513615 803557 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but that's what it's calleed < 1390513615 958179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yuppp < 1390513631 782575 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the whole "news international is full of shits and hack into the queen's phone" < 1390513634 778079 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing. < 1390513652 513969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2014/01/bridgegate_or_bridgeghazi_chris_christie_s_bridge_scandal_needs_a_name.html < 1390513695 884742 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lol'd < 1390513701 920946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble frumble Sunday conference deadlines, what's up with that, don't they realize people always leave these things to the last moment and are going to have to waste their precious weekend time. < 1390514074 924750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technically, it's a "Sunday anywhere on Earth" deadline, but I'm not going to count on waking up early enough on Monday Finnish-morning to take advantage of that.) < 1390514134 300592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take over a tiny country somewhere, pass sweeping calendar reforms < 1390514489 421153 :int-e!~noone@212095007136.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes they do < 1390514518 622856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they just EVIL then? < 1390514801 668467 :int-e!~noone@212095007136.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that a friday deadline doesn't make sense assuming a program committee with healthy working days. < 1390514819 186026 :int-e!~noone@212095007136.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen monday and tuesday deadlines, too. < 1390515133 564467 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390515531 761270 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab has sprintf but not printf, ok < 1390515539 911975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It has fprintf too. < 1390515549 30421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fprintf(1, ...) is pretty much printf(...). < 1390515570 724562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FILE *) 1 < 1390515579 688696 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcoding fids seems gross < 1390515586 850695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gross but it's done. :p < 1390515599 943517 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :disp(sprintf(...)) also seems gross, but i figured it's matlab < 1390515603 814690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write "stdout" too, but I think that didn't work in Octave or something. < 1390515617 4268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the other way around, that you can write "stdout" in Octave. < 1390515618 222220 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :octave can't run the codebase anyway V_V < 1390515620 68625 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file descriptors 0, 1, and 2 actually are defined to be stdin, stdout, and stderr in Unix-land, so eh. < 1390515653 89681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stick a printf.m in there somewhere, of course. < 1390515654 135170 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah but (a) this is windows and (b) if you didn't know that (and this isn't computer scientist land, most people reading don't)... < 1390515654 304369 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Amusingly, that could be a valid definition of stdout. < 1390515685 317 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's also the case on common Windows environments, because file descriptors there are a fiction maintained by the C library. < 1390515703 468432 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i figured < 1390515704 944194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C you can also write STDOUT_FILENO or fileno(stdout) < 1390515747 163475 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but STDOUT_FILENO is 1. < 1390515747 921922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd that file descriptors are part of C and not just POSIX < 1390515757 516262 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't part of C. < 1390515766 721564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1390515780 385793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fileno(): _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 1 || _XOPEN_SOURCE || _POSIX_SOURCE < 1390515785 168828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do Windows environments provide them as a fiction? < 1390515802 753783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yeah, it was the case that the "stdout" thing was an Octave thing, and in MATLAB you just hardcode them. < 1390515829 352990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though disp(sprintf(...)) is seen too. < 1390515851 621227 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i copied that from a help page < 1390515874 36581 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just shitty debug output, anyway, i oughta rewrite this whole fucking program < 1390515888 422499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, from help fprintf: "Obtain FID from FOPEN, or set it to 1 (for standard output, the screen) or 2 (standard error)." < 1390515891 699398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite it in python < 1390515915 603003 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows libcs end up offering a *really* random hodgepodge of Unix functions because DOS libcs happened to offer a really random hodgepodge of Unix functions. < 1390515930 89700 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't really help my recurring "oh my god, there are six thousand arguments to this function" problems < 1390515935 48990 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for any explicit reason, but simply because there was no such thing as "standard" C. < 1390515940 362195 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also. i just noticed this powerstrip has ethernet ports < 1390516025 656967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sure they aren't telephone ports (that look similar)? the idea's to protect your telephone from being struck by lightning < 1390516028 563809 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they're phone jacks... < 1390516030 742200 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1390516038 218339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it look like https://www.pwnieexpress.com/penetration-testing-vulnerability-assessment-products/sensors/pwn-power/ < 1390516043 451548 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never tell the difference :< < 1390516059 694431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You get RJ45 in surge protectors too. Though I guess RJ11 is more common. < 1390516061 753277 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some power strips have actual Ethernet ports with the same idea. < 1390516066 1535 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please tell me that's not named after the internet slang. < 1390516074 113552 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is this real < 1390516098 984042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but Ethernet cables tend to be underground, and thus much less in danger from lightning, than phone cables (which at least in the UK tend to run through the air for the last mile) < 1390516102 209862 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this for < 1390516112 538046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: look at the domain name < 1390516114 385731 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well aware. < 1390516122 193901 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shit < 1390516125 220934 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying it amkes sense, just that that's the idea. :) < 1390516164 946894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: alt. like this http://gnurds.com/index.php/2012/10/02/raspberry-pi-power-strip/ < 1390516169 625446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess these things are popular < 1390516190 45117 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the case that Ethernet jacks are hooked up via optical isolators, anyways, so surges are much less likely to be hazardous on Ethernet lines *anyways*. < 1390516230 439831 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously don't understand, why is a power strip also loaded with nmap < 1390516259 855953 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In the US it's decently common for phone cables to run through the air as well. < 1390516324 36869 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as a guarantee, mind. Pretty much it's whatever happened to be most practical at the time they were putting in lines. < 1390516382 506267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were usually magnetic rather than optical < 1390516416 752494 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the spec's optical. < 1390516421 120697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/27756/why-are-ethernet-rj45-sockets-magnetically-coupled < 1390516434 949461 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it matters. < 1390516437 987491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Even a 10 MHz square wave has levels lasting only 50 ns. That is very fast for opto-couplers. There are light transmission means that go much much faster than that, but they are not cheap or simple at each end like the ethernet pulse transformers are." < 1390516441 567974 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ooh is this where i can ask what 'magnetics' means in the context of ethernet < 1390516476 64367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think a lightning strike is more likely to cross magnetic isolation than optical isolation < 1390516477 184753 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same net effect on preventing massive catastrophic damage from surges though. < 1390516479 957490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure < 1390516528 268463 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though the danger is usually not direct lightning strikes, but rather unusually high current induced by a nearby lightning strike. < 1390516545 857783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the idea is you physically infiltrate this computer, disguised as a harmless power strip, into your target's network < 1390516553 545942 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1390516563 31942 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone' used that < 1390516569 931248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know when you're `````pentesting''''' < 1390516576 918205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect so < 1390516581 121502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also $1500??? jesus < 1390516592 608799 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah shachaf's second link there starts by complaining about the price :D < 1390516604 498055 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is pentesting in quotes, is this a sarcasm thing i am unacquainted with < 1390516633 137445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that the same tools are equally useful for "actually breakin' in to shit" < 1390516640 30225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are always sold for pentesting < 1390516663 37255 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ok. < 1390516664 545073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text-to-Bash: text in bash commands via SMS! < 1390516671 351262 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed that. < 1390516690 831479 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense though. Any tool that's useful for testing security is just about as useful for utterly violating that security. < 1390516704 26505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to varying degrees, though < 1390516707 537949 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1390516714 638431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. there's a big difference between proof-of-concept exploits and weaponized exploits < 1390516729 338885 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nmap is not that useful for breaking in, except for telling you a way it's possible. < 1390516756 106947 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: make a fake annoy-a-tron that's loaded with all this breaker shit, give it as a gift to someone whose office you want to break into < 1390516760 13378 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nmap alone gets root on a box, well, damn. < 1390516761 443645 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone will see it coming < 1390516794 99182 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1500 though? Jesus. < 1390516819 623813 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that cost I expect a computer to be an exceptionally awesome beast. < 1390516920 137388 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least come with a free blowjob. < 1390516946 620553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer the much cheaper open source DIY blowjobs < 1390516959 486043 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not flexible enough < 1390516962 776597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1390516975 313906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they say open source is about collaboration... < 1390516994 334194 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then it's not DIY. < 1390517496 32012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that term excludes collaborative projects < 1390517748 596047 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humbug. < 1390517975 305296 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1390518881 937231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390519151 852598 :int-e!~noone@212095007136.public.telering.at QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds