< 1390176061 717260 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lis? < 1390176078 892328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like question marks for predicates better < 1390176118 742678 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: So it determines if something is a fox? < 1390176143 79493 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1390176290 494710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :co to lis powiedzieć? < 1390176490 35440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is trying hard not to translate that either backwards or forwards < 1390176517 839787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensibly, i mean < 1390176920 360505 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1390177795 752454 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390177949 808939 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390177988 215806 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Target player loses the game" < 1390178000 195625 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it could be fun to redirect that targetting, there are cards that can do that, right? < 1390178030 837973 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This card is both funny, stupid, lame and awesome all rolled into one!" < 1390178337 256573 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390178922 418200 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390180379 54121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v3.12/arch/sparc/lib/checksum_32.S#L332-L335 < 1390180489 558421 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 byte aligned, kick ass < 1390180658 974140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would a 4-dimensional race discover the wire-crossing problem < 1390180700 276157 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390180970 817646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Possibly, but not necessarily with the same kind of application. < 1390182147 361035 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-givomhahlweqcxgt QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1390182968 144281 :ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbsoacdjnzdxdiho JOIN :#esoteric < 1390183918 507943 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D http://www.theonion.com/articles/187-images-which-if-rapidly-clicked-through-will-c,34950/?utm_source=butt&utm_medium=butt&utm_campaign=butt < 1390183965 108003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :utm_source=butt&utm_medium=butt&utm_campaign=butt < 1390184076 134204 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's The Onion's doing < 1390184084 97057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the un-ion < 1390184090 931911 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe ion has some sort of anti-utm extension? < 1390184091 87459 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had some more boring tracking data but i fixed it. < 1390184096 588575 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1390184103 711811 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be too lazy to fix the tracking data
< 1390184120 496134 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I feel like removing it, I usually just delete it < 1390184132 836991 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But linking the tracking data messes up the tracking anyway, doesn't it? < 1390184150 958790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i feel like removing it, i usually just remove it < 1390184180 783423 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Well, it still tells them the source ended up spreading the link. < 1390184192 780461 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :indirectly < 1390184428 356178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: If they implemented that part. < 1390184458 615598 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the source in utm_ parameters. < 1390184510 924524 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1390184539 770940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, maybe the implementation is incomplete. < 1390184608 513571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like "Target player loses the game" but you can make up variants, such as "When any player has no cards in his hand he loses the game", or "Whoever's life total exceeds one million loses the game", etc. < 1390184615 280476 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1390184757 336740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the phrase "his hand" would appear on any card < 1390184819 625454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you are correct it might say "his or her hand", or it will be reworded in an entirely different way instead. < 1390185267 832555 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.110.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390185398 103470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think singular "they" or rewording to avoid the pronoun is much better than "his or her", generally < 1390185404 810518 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"her or his hand" < 1390185415 607873 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"his hand" would then appear on a card < 1390185422 304754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of why I like singular "they" is that it's good for trolling sphexish prescriptivists < 1390185436 320819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also use singular "they" sometimes < 1390185439 571825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you can even get them to accidentally use singular "they" while they're explaining why singular "they" is such an abomination < 1390185450 535160 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use Spivak pronouns < 1390185456 978085 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the habit from Agora < 1390185460 370921 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1390185506 915150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've met people who prefer Spivak pronouns and I've met people who prefer "it" but none of them actively object to singular "they" < 1390185545 231124 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to "ey". I'm a traditionalist, "e" is much better. < 1390185556 704561 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though ey makes more sense) < 1390185563 444640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anyone who actively objects to singular "they", but they must exist < 1390185572 196167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the same people who get really upset if you say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas" < 1390185634 842275 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1390185653 194623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, other than the grammar prescriptivists < 1390185732 890542 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen the term eval-quote somewhere. I think I like it < 1390185760 834936 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To describe Tcl and Rebol and perhaps lisps where you'd write (if (> 2 1) '(print "a") '(print "b")) < 1390185766 565970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something conceptually similar < 1390185814 126096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you also include Kernel in that category < 1390185819 778291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the quotation syntactically implicit < 1390185837 193529 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wouldn't, I could have sworn I saw the term used to contrast against kernel < 1390185841 233362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried some thing to figure out how UTF-8 is implemented in SQLite, and I think it is OK. It is generalized enough to not be specific to Unicode (as long as you don't try to convert to/from UTF-16), and functions that convert uppercase/lowercase/etc work on ASCII characters only, so it work OK. According to my experiment it treats any 0xC0...0xFF followed by any sequence of 0x80...0xBF as a single character, which is what I want. < 1390185874 478233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I would have simplified it a bit by just ignoring 0x80...0xBF in the count regardless, but the other way works too.) < 1390185935 6022 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is where I got it from < 1390185935 662596 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fexpr.blogspot.com/2013/07/explicit-evaluation.html < 1390185965 396767 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wand credited Albert Meyer for noting the trivialization effect. Meyer, though, noted that quote-eval (as opposed to fexprs) need not cause trivialization. (Meyer made this supplementary observation at least as early as 1986; see here, puzzle 3.) < 1390185992 692572 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the fexprs mentioned might not be Kernel fexprs, I guess? I didn't read the whole thing thoroughly < 1390186196 568201 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see my post? < 1390186206 47063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1390186248 535393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trivialization" refers to the equational theory? < 1390186383 755645 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant my post on the klisp group < 1390186390 82512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I saw it < 1390186466 23447 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1390186663 248670 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any quote-eval languages as sanely designed as Kernel < 1390186672 530027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't really consider Rebol sanely designed < 1390186674 339089 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor Tcl < 1390186731 74869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is quote-eval languages? < 1390186898 775343 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no special forms, instead, you pass around blocks of code to functions that can then choose to interpret those blocks however they wish. Those blocks are not functions/closures, instead, they contain raw code < 1390186908 432537 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess there can be special forms < 1390186917 914253 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is more my interpretation of the concept < 1390186919 976233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But see Tcl < 1390186923 533702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does dc count? < 1390186932 970224 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about dc to be able to say < 1390187100 388761 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Macros are then implemented by allowing registers and stack entries to be strings as well as numbers. A string can be printed, but it can also be executed (i.e. processed as a sequence of dc commands). So for instance we can store a macro to add one and then multiply by 2 into register m:" < 1390187119 363440 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the primary means of using conditionals and loops etc.? < 1390187123 820444 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I would say dc counts < 1390187125 225458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1390187146 339237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the meaning of the commands can even change if the input base changes. < 1390187237 180999 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I have another complaint about Kernel < 1390187397 403424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other complaint? < 1390187539 579042 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing higher-order functions may be more difficult than it should be, due to a combination of factors, some of which are not fundamental to Kernel's central concept, some of which might be < 1390187576 802449 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say my other complaint is worse < 1390187824 148366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: does Underload count hth < 1390187918 103810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that is the other one I thought of other than dc. < 1390187931 850505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it must count too < 1390187935 523233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that having both eval-quote and variable bindings would wreak havoc with lexical scoping, unless you reintroduce some way of capturing the environment of the caller, and isn't that what kernel does. < 1390187968 721086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quote-eval < 1390188028 919665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although dynamic binding would work. in fact i think Logo works this way, and may be quote-eval. < 1390188081 868610 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what Rebol does, which isn't perfect but is interesting, is have constructs that introduce a lexical scope go through all code it sees, and changes the words' scopes to a new object < 1390188091 351763 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each word has its own scope, basically < 1390188107 260035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1390188108 863492 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does make it harder to construct code from whole cloth if you're not given input though < 1390188125 898786 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in the normal case, I think it makes some sense < 1390188147 24089 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.revolucent.net/2009/07/deep-rebol-bindology.html < 1390188824 174949 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1390189603 345875 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A third criticism of Kernel, which I don't believe is significant enough to post (I think I saw it elsewhere): If you use applicatives to get an operative result, it's not necessarily immediately obvious that you're using an operative. And it feels like using operative results directly without naming them is part of the point < 1390189740 783415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload [cost] (You may cast this spell for its underload cost. If you do, change its text by replacing all instances of "each" with "target.") < 1390190029 341853 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underline < 1390190154 204911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why are HoFs more difficult in Kernel? < 1390190757 262513 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1390190767 353538 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1390190912 517397 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: look at how map and filter's rationales had to make a decision about whether to call their argument in the same dynamic environment or a clean one. This is a decision that needs to be made for each function that calls an argument function, and the choice isn't obvious (map makes one choice, filter makes another). I think filter's choice is mistaken, but if you go the other route, you may end up writing wrapped vaus instead of lambdas, < 1390190912 710778 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your HOF is itself returning a function < 1390190915 578433 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1390190931 943539 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1390190936 470261 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I think map made the right choice and filter didn't, and that map's choice makes more sense in general < 1390190940 808460 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1390190956 457411 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apply should probably make the environment argument mandatory, it's something that always needs to be taken into consideration < 1390190969 805240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the "clean" environment? < 1390190998 703360 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(make-environment) < 1390191010 486884 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"using a fresh empty environment for each call." (in filter's definition) < 1390191092 184558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in (filter (lambda (x) ...) xs) the lambda can't close over anything? or am I thinking of the wrong stage of evaluation? < 1390191146 539179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the question, if i write (filter (vau (x) env ...) xs), what's 'env'? < 1390191156 167266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that, I think < 1390191159 979062 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what's env < 1390191166 877962 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :filter has it be an empty environment, iiuc < 1390191179 413108 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, you forgot to wrap the vau) < 1390191200 317469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1390191343 165232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my main problem with kernel has been $define! introducing new variables, which possibly shadow above environments, since it makes static analysis fucking painful < 1390191358 656564 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :". map calls its applicative argument using the dynamic environment of the call to map, because that behavior is followed by the code equivalence that map seeks to preserve; but filter has no comparable equivalence to preserve" < 1390191386 293681 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also think shutt's design principles are bizarre but w/e < 1390191387 452342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I interpret that rationale is "I can't find a nice equivalence to make the choice obvious, so I'll do whatever" < 1390191397 259253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: which? < 1390191412 473123 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really, really like the design principles < 1390191425 218038 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think they haven't been applied perfectly < 1390191441 944143 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee willikers < 1390191992 763548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my brother plays Puzzle Strike he prefers to put all the gems on the bottom like in Puzzle Fighter (and the board resembles Puzzle Fighter, in fact), but I just arrange them in any order; it doesn't have any effect on the game. < 1390192149 474713 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most data in Kernel evaluates to itself < 1390192153 800229 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except symbols and lists < 1390192176 465785 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a type problem with double-evalling, but the ability to double-eval some things is crucial to Kernel's hygiene approach < 1390192208 406097 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could reduce it a lot if you add a 'combine' applicative. < 1390192217 655856 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, lists don't play nice. They don't eval to themselves, simililarly to symbols. But Kernel goes out of its way to pretend that symbols are second-class citizens. It doesn't do the same with lists < 1390192221 922555 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(combine foo bar baz) = (eval (cons foo bar) baz) < 1390192224 833069 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's the root of some problems < 1390192437 195948 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely had some trouble inducing the problem I posted about when trying to make it with add instead of length < 1390192447 339447 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because double-eval on numbers is safe < 1390193400 240085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "2/~" < 1390193401 468557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/2~" < 1390193439 750269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "oerjan" < 1390193440 865584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "aejnor" < 1390193445 838172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup aejnor < 1390193527 760516 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) /: 1 2 3 < 1390193528 325673 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 0 1 2 < 1390193535 184443 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1390193594 527088 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (/:{]) 3 1 2 < 1390193595 183681 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1 2 3 < 1390193612 717162 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't more line-noisey than Perl at all < 1390193613 467906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1390193637 553663 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, /:{] is totally the best emoticon ever < 1390193691 155792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf aiinopqtu < 1390193946 862451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what would you call a 1 with a line over it for the purposes of unicode < 1390194049 466530 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1390194058 882535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i have to use a combining overline < 1390194497 214018 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not sure if Picolisp counts as eval-quote < 1390194521 883995 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction between reinterpretable data and actual functions goes away < 1390194548 639077 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should check what if looks like < 1390194589 704661 :deadnigstorage!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390194610 370113 :deadnigstorage!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mars in libra is now opposing my natal moon-mars aries conjunction < 1390194623 414438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you awake? < 1390194661 849264 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome deadnigstorage < 1390194664 39029 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadnigstorage: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1390194676 749974 :deadnigstorage!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey thank you Bike < 1390194708 952192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZZZZ < 1390194720 595447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why would i know about obscure unicode < 1390194815 191347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't they call you "aejnor the great, master of cdeinou" < 1390194848 160866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but they are mistaken about the latter half. < 1390195025 688174 :deadnigstorage!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net NICK :musetteanddrums < 1390195152 533489 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1390195152 565823 NAMES :#esoteric < 1390195163 323792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric musetteanddrums :musetteanddrums < 1390195164 996219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1390195165 18280 NAMES :#esoteric < 1390195189 848603 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390195193 460642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did e do (apart from being in the wrong place) < 1390195201 675934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1390195204 685968 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU (musetteanddrums) have been booted from #esoteric by elliott (musetteanddrums) ¿??? < 1390195226 46541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: racist nick combined with nonsense intiial message < 1390195236 779119 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1390195243 433059 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughable < 1390195250 403959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you are < 1390195334 510630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't think mistaking the channel for the other kind of esoteric is a bannable offense < 1390195349 997879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thankfully I didn't ban them :) < 1390195360 522785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure "deadnigstorage" goes against freenode guidelines for names if it has any though. < 1390195377 459726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1390195402 205359 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, nobody here have seen tarantino movies < 1390195410 781533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I like Pulp Fiction too but there are probably a lot of better choices for a nick based on that film < 1390195421 719255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :musetteanddrums: "mars in libra is now opposing my natal moon-mars aries conjunction" isn't useful here, even though it might be true, it has no use. < 1390195433 651343 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1390195451 38759 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I've been a flammer < 1390195467 640168 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but jesus, this looked so empty < 1390195479 160097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly looked so empty, this channel? < 1390195499 284652 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there anybody talking before I joined? < 1390195508 532737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; there is logs, mentioned in the topic message. < 1390195620 138549 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's pretty quiet, other times it's pretty active. < 1390195626 402625 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such is the flow of IRC. < 1390195663 791786 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what's with the racist nick" "uh hello i was just making conversation" < 1390195667 310450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care myself about if you want to talk about Mars Aries conjunction and whatever but note that it isn't really the topic here. (However, it is also the case that we are not always being on-topic.) (The topic here is about computer programming) < 1390195749 208807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :The Mars Aries conjunction and whatever | 22nd IOCCC results: http://ioccc.org/years.html#2013 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1390195759 12135 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys, it's over. Why don't we just start talking about useful stuff relating Esoteric programming? < 1390195767 476811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :musetteanddrums: ok you first < 1390195777 739249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :musetteanddrums: Did you see the esolang wiki? < 1390195787 371779 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you'll make the honors, thanks < 1390195798 480554 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ban them please < 1390195799 464191 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just did it < 1390195809 80034 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should musetteanddrums start? < 1390195819 356325 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the ones being assholes < 1390195827 659401 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1390195851 149927 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Eir nick initially contained a racial slur. < 1390195870 767691 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool they were just joking chill out < 1390195880 831373 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but he changed it, and it was a pulp fiction reference i hear, maybe he thought that's fine. < 1390195892 403686 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's gone < 1390195896 341963 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/WKTL Anywho, anyone wanna figure out what this'd be like in C++? < 1390195903 654440 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idiomatic, obv) < 1390195918 369679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really hung up on the nick anymore, I just think it's weird to say "let's talk about topic X" without having anything to say about topic X < 1390195930 782682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do it sometimes though < 1390195944 385119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1390195945 997217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think you are correct < 1390195957 643913 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1390195961 479245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is this code < 1390195967 249742 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nohup(1) < 1390195977 873059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1390196042 544138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LC_MESSAgES" is that intentional < 1390196051 860587 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1390196052 169755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which parts do you think would change for C++ < 1390196059 191010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, do you imagine doing the file stuff with iostreams? < 1390196074 500985 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: To compile as C++? Very little. For idiomatic C++? I've no idea. < 1390196077 427380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it's not using C stdio either < 1390196080 789111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common is a Moon-Mars conjunction near 19 degrees of ecliptic longitude anyways? Now I am curious to know how rare it is, to know how easily to guess a birth date or date of other event based on such a thing if it occurs simultaneously with the other event. < 1390196087 409253 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1390196092 129815 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess you could *do* iostreams? Though that'd be about as crazy-useless as C stdio. < 1390196093 197788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am not very good at C++ really < 1390196104 400963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't many C functions still working in C++? < 1390196114 767263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write RAII wrappers for everything with error handling < 1390196122 767344 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, C and C++ have a very large common subset. < 1390196134 396787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess you would use std::string instead of strcpy and strcat < 1390196150 33941 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Yeah. < 1390196159 928857 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of that's going to be pretty identical though. < 1390196161 966089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I know, but it isn't quite compatible (unlike Objective-C, which is a real superset of C). < 1390196162 572606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how essentially every UNIX program contains a function equivalent to that my_write(). great API ya got there < 1390196173 781264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote subset.*superset < 1390196175 326668 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390196180 716043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote superset.*subset < 1390196182 99512 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1157) C++ is a superset of a subset of C < 1390196196 157783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the way to describe C++. < 1390196199 634115 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a really dang stupid misdesign. < 1390196209 1272 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the write system call, that is) < 1390196216 356458 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's my_write do < 1390196225 528439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writes until it cannot write no more < 1390196237 547301 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION banjo riff
< 1390196245 412350 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's like write, except it actually is guaranteed to write the whole buffer or error out. < 1390196253 415334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's fair to say that's userspace's problem, but there should be a totally standard userspace library for it, then < 1390196257 589749 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than write 0 or more bytes of the buffer. < 1390196264 350431 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's stdio. :) < 1390196269 556832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, except not < 1390196294 451281 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, stdio has way more in it than that, and fwrite might be permitted to do partial writes.... < 1390196317 691484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0 or more bytes" hey at least it can't write -1 bytes! < 1390196339 427972 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least fwrite doesn't indicate "I wrote 0 bytes" by returning -1 and having errno = EINTR. < 1390196344 820746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a name for all four of "zero or more" "one or more" "zero or one" "exactly one" < 1390196357 400861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* + ? < 1390196357 600585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually people name three of them and leave the last one unnamed < 1390196369 490698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, or "linear" "affine" "relevant" < 1390196381 447068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many names for these things < 1390196399 861679 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* + ? {1} < 1390196400 712659 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1390196413 101509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*" "+" "?" "" < 1390196418 775718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the empty string is a name, right? < 1390196429 172561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's hard to give your child the empty string as a name < 1390197197 480545 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ogre appealed the match loss and got it downgraded to a warning." < 1390197259 249996 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye guys, best wishes for this project! < 1390197266 541483 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@69.Red-79-149-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1390197473 101707 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a file is created, the file's permission bits shall be set to S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR." Sigh. That's not "as modified by umask". < 1390197752 80570 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Unhinged land cards should be reprinted in other sets. My roommate is so impressed with my one Unhinged Plains that he almost offered to trade me a rare for it, before I stopped him." < 1390199767 770447 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I really want to naturalize one of these while my opponent has the infinite mana so they take infinity damage. < 1390199767 924454 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With M2010, this won't be possible.:(" < 1390200679 849834 :nooodl!~nooodl@97.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1390200805 637199 :nooodl!~nooodl@97.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1390201261 125515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1390202057 183749 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes. The example merely stopped at four for space reasons. (We didn't have space to include examples for all natural numbers.)" < 1390202634 319696 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1390202909 883609 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book your next convention at the Hilbert Hotel. < 1390202937 117845 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As of January 20, 2014, the World Community Grid (through ComputingForGood) gives away 1.5 million XRP per day to individuals who donate spare processor time to analyze aspects of the human genome, HIV, dengue fever, muscular dystrophy, cancer, influenza, rice crop yields and clean energy." < 1390203483 965239 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390203964 784611 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a solution < 1390203994 451165 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :($define! list-quote (lambda (x) (cons (unwrap list) x))) < 1390204018 268557 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :($define! list-quote ($lambda (x) (cons (unwrap list) x))) < 1390204516 933313 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1390204549 851954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a name for a one directional inverse? < 1390204560 973604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the direction. < 1390204648 302643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An operation f and inverse g such that f(g(x)) = x but g(f(x)) not necessarily = x < 1390204690 13678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g is a right inverse of f, and f is a left inverse of g < 1390204719 385063 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1390204728 318147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g is a section of f, and f is a retraction of g < 1390204736 391842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_(category_theory) ) < 1390204737 801797 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :list-quote is a right inverse of eval < 1390204749 690862 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :( a bit too slow maybe ) < 1390204750 747775 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not sure how exact that statement can be) < 1390204805 133063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a functor has a right inverse, is it also a right adjoint? < 1390204832 642328 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: in category theory, you say "i'm sure it's exact in some sense" and trust no one trusts their instincts enough to claim there's no such interpretation < 1390204838 597660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned this from oerjan < 1390205245 970241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course it is. < 1390205279 571607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Attribute Zone" Famicom game now you can see how much is made up already (which isn't enough to play the game, but the editor works): http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=10913 < 1390205300 63590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please try to make a comment/question/complain about it, if you are capable to do so. < 1390205328 173550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, inverses of functors aren't a very nice concept. < 1390205538 663097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: when you have a working version can you make a video of you playing it < 1390205614 826409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, I won't post any videos. Possibly a screenshot, though. < 1390205633 689023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you don't have a screen recorder? < 1390205748 554181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any, but even if I do I don't want to post any videos. < 1390205771 563355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? videos are cool. i like videos. < 1390205782 719329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they show off gameplay much better than screenshots. < 1390205989 543652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can make a video if you want to, but I don't want to post any videos. Maybe it might work better anyways if different people who aren't knowing what to expect would make the report, then it is less biased. < 1390206049 345038 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390206052 702443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am having the problem with program to record the level on a audio tape; the emulator just makes a file full of 0x70 instead of the proper data. < 1390206563 369593 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say it's based on it, do you mean gameplay is a reference to it, or does its implementation utilize that fact somehow, or both? < 1390206574 3250 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[the limitation thingy you mentioned] < 1390206790 329911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation uses such a fact in order to design the way objects work in the game. < 1390207124 743213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have anything explaining the rules of the game < 1390207129 585817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1390207143 512532 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i don't have to download and unpack a zip to read < 1390207145 713070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than a prototype made in QBASIC, no. < 1390207167 754750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1390207179 531746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the puzzles good and hard < 1390207225 55076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can describe it a little bit: You can move your piece to push boxes and collect gems and so on, however with limitations, one being that it won't move if there is already something else of a different color in the same 2x2 area, and that no more than eight sprites are allowed per row. < 1390207241 150338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like Potion of Confusing < 1390207251 397402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the two levels made in the QBASIC version, there are no other puzzles, and I don't know if it is easy or hard enough. < 1390207295 276509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not really, although it shares that the pieces move on the grid, one of which you control directly. < 1390207329 748747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should call it Potion of Makes Perfect Sense < 1390207524 823315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it be called that if it's called Attribute Zone < 1390207548 270994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the name could be called Potion of Makes Perfect Sense < 1390208156 467504 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@129.Red-79-149-199.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390208209 919426 :musetteanddrums!~chatzilla@129.Red-79-149-199.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PART :#esoteric < 1390210338 69194 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1390210834 672155 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390212385 224014 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed http://textfiles.com/100/balls.txt < 1390213539 735772 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1390214534 731389 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390214603 749322 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some connection between turing completeness and boolean logic? i.e. if i am able to calculate the result of arbitrary boolean expression, will i be turing complete? < 1390214812 81856 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you will be P complete < 1390216517 260598 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390219149 191196 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390219203 155677 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390219221 789648 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390219459 658153 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390219717 502465 :Slereah__!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390219737 756281 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390221033 884291 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1390223052 980673 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390223064 267436 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390226633 773141 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390226665 631375 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390226833 904454 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390227253 550753 :glazgor!~glazgor@193.105.154.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390227404 320725 :glazgor!~glazgor@193.105.154.123 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390227511 907929 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1390228179 384699 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390228344 223939 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390230866 972358 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1390231354 707550 :feldman!~feldman@193.105.154.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390231370 313809 :feldman!~feldman@193.105.154.53 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390231544 145305 :mascott!~mascott@193.104.110.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390231688 878385 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1390232694 770903 :nooodl!~nooodl@97.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1390232818 523761 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1390232821 30920 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1390232879 274354 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good t\noops morning! < 1390232969 632208 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands myname a CNF formula to satisfy
< 1390233093 348482 :mascott!~mascott@193.104.110.38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390233818 82601 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390234977 728780 :mkoshka!~mkoshka@91.210.100.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390235278 834595 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390235311 715637 :mkoshka!~mkoshka@91.210.100.192 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390235377 599948 :tenzile!~tenzile@91.210.101.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390235710 654919 :tenzile!~tenzile@91.210.101.61 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390236944 228742 :godovikov!~godovikov@193.28.144.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390237497 857482 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1390237843 369041 :godovikov!~godovikov@193.28.144.34 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390238310 837450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an "ideas" category that we can relegate Mahagugu's not-fully-fleshed-out language ideas to? < 1390239063 921973 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390239130 16428 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Category:Not Enough Food for a Zombie” < 1390239304 643100 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, new item for my next Paranoia campaign: Bone Exploding Dyadic Functile Hyper-Arrows. < 1390239325 132672 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, quinthellopia! < 1390239328 155020 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1390239328 748107 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 201700Z 32004KT 15SM SCT055 OVC090 M13/M22 A2966 RMK SC3AC5 SLP047 < 1390239414 580241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1390239414 987616 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 201720Z 05006KT 9000 -SN BKN026 M13/M15 Q1033 TEMPO 6000 < 1390239421 335385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :M13-buddies. < 1390239557 984259 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hi-fives fizzie. or minus-thirteens him, in that case...
< 1390239618 134931 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh oh can i play paranoia < 1390239859 229310 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands quintopia a bird stump. in a GM voice: “It is quite heavy, and ugly. It has... well... depictions of things engraved on its surface. Your mission is to transport it safely and activate it.”
< 1390239916 889190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES SIR FRIEND COMPUTER SIR YOU CAN COUNT ON ME < 1390239987 351097 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have the clearance to use capital letters. please excuse yourself in the [REDACTED] alphabet before you are to gladfully terminate yourself a the nearest Center. < 1390240047 739726 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me computer. i would gladfully terminate myself if you asked me to. you know that don't you. of all of everyone i love and trust you the most. < 1390240885 768436 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390240898 758481 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390241840 861698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is breaking the second wall allowed? http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140120 < 1390241892 530933 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1390242137 103954 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from lunch, and I terminated a delicious soup. < 1390242186 338798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia: cold! < 1390242192 293475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~meta LOWI < 1390242192 479941 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi < 1390242196 555340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar LOWI < 1390242196 973078 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 201750Z 06007KT 9999 -RA FEW025 SCT040 BKN055 05/02 Q1003 NOSIG < 1390242286 341962 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION basks
< 1390242290 47464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KATL < 1390242290 526971 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 201752Z 28008KT 10SM FEW250 16/M04 A2998 RMK AO2 SLP153 T01611044 10161 20006 58021 $ < 1390242355 240852 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+16? you... you little... AAAAAURGH! < 1390242363 228095 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, your station need maintenance.) < 1390242505 834082 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1390242683 673190 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390242780 647941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i think i'll go out and enjoy this beautiful day < 1390242847 266017 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swears in French
< 1390242937 405058 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :accentuated? < 1390242949 573759 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have nố idea. < 1390242962 352703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep reminding me that I have no working compose key. < 1390242978 107960 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any either. < 1390243070 921616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr? < 1390243154 704966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. interesting, that would work. < 1390243185 974328 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the Power of AltGr all the way, with some Mod5 and Shift inbetween. < 1390243236 132248 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get ^, ¨, `, ̣, ̉ and ° over a single key! < 1390243238 418306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need a reference card (Sure ... I could make my own.) < 1390243253 516935 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(weird... part of my PRIVMSG disappeared...) < 1390243257 154813 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :̉test < 1390243296 35219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`~àþ€ < 1390243297 323188 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ~àþ€: not found < 1390243298 661824 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I forgot how to print one. there's this X utility that can get you a postscript of your keyboard layout, but I can't remember for the fungot of me how it's done. < 1390243299 23274 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how annoying :( :( :( :( < 1390243313 906544 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I know. and for once, I welcome your sentience. < 1390243314 300279 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: alert. english dying. not that c++ is nice, btw. i probably would have shut me up for an hour. i'll have to < 1390243353 61656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll have to" has become fungot's favourite closing statement. < 1390243353 376553 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: scheme is also useful in eval. ( it took a bit of overhead on the scheme flavor, i guess. < 1390243423 665987 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I guess.” < 1390243432 617176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still hit and miss. < 1390243440 662006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles fungot
< 1390243440 896350 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: clearly forcer's whole town is dangerously liberal. sure, they say that? < 1390243451 944322 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I concur. < 1390243543 792154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungot < 1390243543 999930 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: esobot wasn't responding in channel foo" < 1390243605 712497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's Mod5 < 1390243618 469750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 5th X11 modifier < 1390243649 200559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, but what do you use it for < 1390243650 202540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely one of the windows keys < 1390243718 961542 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the windows keys are Mod4. on my keyboard it's the right control key. < 1390243866 270092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh does anybody here know how to make xmodmap settings apply to freshly plugged in keyboards? < 1390243975 184371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't; I just re-run xmodmap < 1390243979 787540 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: setxkbmap if you have to, then «xmodmap .Xmodmap». < 1390244010 76560 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, «xset b off» is a lifesaver if you have headphones.) < 1390244185 810748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm doing that. But my laptop keeps forgetting this setting when I move it around (there's a docking station involved, and possibly a suspend/wakeup cycle). I just have no clue why. < 1390244279 515055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well that was a lie: I'm doing xset -b to disable the bell.) < 1390244362 331567 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1390244362 764758 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 201850Z 10008KT 9999 BKN024 M03/M07 Q1028 R01L/710168 R08/710158 R01R/710175 NOSIG < 1390244403 314691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESKN < 1390244403 773784 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESKN 201850Z 10012KT 9999 FEW025 M03/M07 Q1025 R08/450195 < 1390244967 516822 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1390245224 166839 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390245242 927897 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390245269 910970 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390245989 382683 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390246156 749256 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1390247271 931741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390247325 186001 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390247688 501697 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1390247697 143075 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1390247969 310133 :wholid!~wholid@91.210.100.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390248007 894897 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1390248027 482511 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1390248052 698093 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1390248112 95421 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1390248620 450037 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: poke. < 1390248716 413344 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck tensor < 1390248716 708892 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tensor definition: a muscle that stretches a part. < 1390248721 527368 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck tensor product < 1390248721 789542 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mathematics, the tensor product, denoted by �, may be applied in different contexts to vectors, matrices, tensors, vector spaces, algebras, topological vector spaces, and modules, among many other structures or objects. < 1390248842 734697 :wholid!~wholid@91.210.100.37 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390249002 397603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode — < 1390249004 371013 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2014 EM DASH] < 1390249014 886671 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sign of the year < 1390251246 830356 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of the Yearly Things, I'm eager to try out 0.14. there's a new god in an experimental branch! < 1390251268 119002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.14 what? < 1390251335 835170 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCSS! < 1390252008 743076 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390252071 969067 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390252337 731393 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390252351 131195 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390252486 198028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh no, which awful god idea did someone actually code? < 1390252605 520522 :nooodl!~nooodl@97.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it doorokhloe < 1390253011 339308 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dcss? < 1390253027 254651 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's been decss news lately so my mind's scrambled i guess < 1390253341 283024 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has there? < 1390253558 898505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390253871 148206 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390254067 888673 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the klisp person suggested I'm missing the point, and as far as I could tell by skimming, is saying that quotation isn't necessarily evil when necessary < 1390254084 219398 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't read it thoroughly yet < 1390254139 946602 :namaskar!~namaskar@host86-140-111-163.range86-140.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390254273 82719 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dithmengos, god of shadows. kind of like an anti-TSO crossed with ninja stuff. sounds fun! < 1390254342 511564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not goldgod or randgod < 1390254433 402502 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I need to raffine my strategies when exploring pan. I had a nice game going on over the weekend, and once again I very stupidly screwed it up. < 1390254528 807425 :nooodl!~nooodl@97.152-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :do more zigs. dont do tomb. skip tomb < 1390254723 969022 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, the court case documents are being mass scanned < 1390254755 291732 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I kinda stupidly die in zigs too. and I like Tomb. Tomb is plenty of intense and fun challenges! < 1390255044 448431 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: HOT CHICKEN OF ANTI-WINTER! < 1390255052 195411 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390256833 397674 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl? < 1390256849 811954 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Crawl. < 1390257725 169936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1390258318 918611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : there should be a name for all four of "zero or more" "one or more" "zero or one" "exactly one" <-- you are missing "exactly zero", "more than one" and "zero, or more than one" hth < 1390258382 805292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's 7, the 8th one would be "neither zero nor more", but i assume that's a contradiction in the context) < 1390258385 675491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's call them "phantom", "superlinear", and "nonlinear" < 1390258401 770253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, probably "nonlinear" isn't good < 1390258411 837680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think the 8th one is "neither zero, nor one, nor more than one" < 1390258442 816083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shachaf didn't express "zero or more" that verbosely, so i don't see why the negation should be. < 1390258459 876282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "less than zero", then < 1390258483 775181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure we're only talking about natural numbers < 1390258488 85207 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1390258505 625924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we include negative as a possibility, we immediately get 8 more options. < 1390258557 650945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't care about any of these v. much < 1390258563 373619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1390258573 651290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the four i specified should have names < 1390258600 504643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for integers, "one or more" is "positive", isn't it? < 1390258655 226677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For naturals, too. < 1390258656 967944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :many, many1, optional and id < 1390258672 217908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sort of situation I'm talking about is + ? * < 1390258679 171479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "relevant" "affine" "linear" < 1390258688 844978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well the last one is the empty modifier < 1390258689 741773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "exists" "unique" "exists unique" < 1390258718 403129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, but you have to pick which one is the default. < 1390258721 613526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "unique" usually implies "exists" when unqualified. < 1390258768 421491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "inverses are unique" < 1390258807 280646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"relevant", "affine", "linear" i would say the remaining one there is "classical" < 1390258835 889545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same thing also comes up with linear/affine/relevant transformations < 1390258843 87363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1390258845 138856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i've ever heard of anyone talking about a relevant transformation) < 1390258887 755251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure something's getting mixed here. < 1390258892 695548 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The code associated with this article is provided as graphical screenshots embedded in a Word document." < 1390258933 321877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: please tell me that's a reviewer's reason for rejecting it. < 1390258946 292899 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1390258948 750727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1390258951 540847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's getting mixed up here < 1390258966 447013 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0085047 < 1390259009 784009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: first, "classical" should probably be "intuitionistic", secondly i have no idea how "relevant" would apply to algebra. < 1390259020 23555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that fits. < 1390259042 268306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant "classical" in a different sense < 1390259045 773181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... < 1390259065 346285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example, f(x) = ax^1 is a linear map; g(x) = ax^1 + bx^0 is an affine map < 1390259088 173428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps h(x) = ax^n + bx^(n-1) + ... + yx^1 would be a relevant map < 1390259102 974442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(between one-dimensional vector spaces) < 1390259128 801015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: your text does not appear within the page you linked < 1390259175 396938 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quote a comment. < 1390259177 474166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoted < 1390259193 227040 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the appendix dot doc yourself if you want < 1390259208 532040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the interpretation was that the authors of this thing wrote that in their own thing < 1390259225 422713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh the comments are not on the same page. < 1390259245 213928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway what would that mean more generally < 1390259303 356241 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, it's a bit weird, until you remember commments sections are terrible < 1390259307 325020 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1390259357 803898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i do not find your relevant definition intuitively related to the others < 1390259376 441584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which others < 1390259397 421199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, y is a coefficient here, by the way, just an oddly named one < 1390259460 877343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of linear and affine. < 1390259500 889471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one has an x^1 term, and one has x^1 and x^0 terms < 1390259539 732787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but higher powered terms are meaningless for general vector spaces. < 1390259570 255270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is what i'm paying you for, to make it make sense < 1390259667 769022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this nice nigerian prince who can do that for you. < 1390259869 504994 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers buying some Unhinged lands for the art
< 1390260010 461122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The better basic lands art for Un-set would be the one with picture of an airplane for a "Plains" card. < 1390260118 449867 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there one like that, or is that something you want? < 1390260142 508150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I once put into the computer; there is no such thing like that for actual as far as I know though. < 1390260151 393032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there isn't, basic lands are tournament legal no matter what set they come fro < 1390260152 872918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1390260162 85520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have to look like islands, etc., so that they can be recognised by the art < 1390260182 95517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of the art anyway < 1390260185 864172 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The art doesn't matter even remotely. < 1390260191 770471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never look at it < 1390260194 89036 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing that matters is the card name. < 1390260199 759171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in un- games < 1390260230 686719 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the expansion symbol can also matter outside of Un-. < 1390260235 640218 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very, very rarely) < 1390260260 914779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the art is what tournament players most commonly use to recognise cards < 1390260266 487459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the largest part of the card < 1390260271 206159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not any more, they erratad it < 1390260279 779959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to "cards first released in Homelands", etc. < 1390260289 611287 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fuck's sake! < 1390260309 937422 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... I could never memorize cards like that < 1390260313 401885 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the basic lands < 1390260316 124557 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then... < 1390260325 582026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to make a list of what cards have been first released in Homelands, then. < 1390260329 640370 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can easily imagine myself confusing a basic and nonbasic land < 1390260343 347722 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or have one handy. Which seems annoying for casual play < 1390260391 280993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It seems fine to me. If using such a card in a preconstructed deck or if you are drafting Homelands, then have such a list. < 1390260426 958915 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one thing I hate most is errata that changes functionality for no good reason. < 1390260451 361766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ISO_Level3_Shift is often mod5, I think. It certainly is that here. < 1390260484 433957 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about not having errata and that changes how powerful a card is? < 1390260496 652198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Magic: the Gathering rules are way too klugy and have various stupid things. < 1390260500 189251 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what bans are for. < 1390260501 679502 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mana burn goes away, cards that interacted with mana burn receive no errata, some become more or less powerful < 1390260517 721807 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I hate the loss of mana burn. < 1390260529 373587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also called "the AltGr key".) < 1390260539 787183 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of sad that Interrupts no longer exist < 1390260542 452956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hate the loss of mana burn, although I like the change of "remove from game zone" to "Exile". < 1390260557 959020 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They do, they're calling "Instant" now. < 1390260565 361629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a lot of the rules even ones that were much older I don't like it much either. < 1390260568 974696 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pre-6th rules were nasty. < 1390260610 615833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think rule of +1/+1 and -1/-1 removing each other is klugy and stupid, and the rule about Auras that are also creatures to be discarded is really stupid, and various other things too. < 1390260621 620933 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing each other? < 1390260646 67261 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: As a state-based effect, a pair of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on a permanent cease to exist. < 1390260652 971834 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introduced in Shadowmoor. < 1390260678 321130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes; it doesn't apply to -1/-0 vs +1/+0 or two -1/-1 against a single +2/+2 or whatever; only to +1/+1 and -1/-1; and I think is stupid anyways. Better to just you have to keep track by yourself. < 1390260683 720581 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems pointless, but I bet there are actual gameplay effects < 1390260718 593431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like the flavor of having both instants and interrupts < 1390260721 178916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules are really klugy anyways. < 1390260721 963512 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faster than instantly < 1390260761 344528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having instants and no interrupts is fine though < 1390260797 343901 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that "interrupt" existed for the sole purpose of letting you counter spells. < 1390260808 756842 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because timing was weird. < 1390260828 640103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc/copumpkin: wow, that hacker news thread you linked to is the worst thing, why did i read it < 1390260976 185043 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I was introduced to Magic during Tempest... except I don't remember a Mana Source card type < 1390260991 645214 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the Dark Ritual art from Tempest is the one that seems most familiar to me < 1390261005 148527 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A girl gave me that card and asked me to explain it to her) < 1390261011 495919 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc < 1390261016 866550 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iirc < 1390261336 820084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey, is breaking the second wall allowed? http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140120 <-- you expect _othar_ to ask for permission? < 1390261363 398979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idl-e < 1390261425 398757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the first wall < 1390261428 583907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, of course not. He *is* a hero and a spark. < 1390261447 600429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I considered that, but don't we usually count clockwise or counterclockwise? < 1390261456 330966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we? < 1390261466 279546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's either second or fourth, the walls are numbered ... what int-e said. < 1390261470 584513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we do know which the fourth wall is. < 1390261490 86188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were numbered back to front < 1390261499 5737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i would number walls < 1390261509 915429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1390261535 974260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant breaking from one frame to another one < 1390261544 378492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i saw the picture :'( < 1390261554 237336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :idl-e, hmm. I'm preparing slides for wednesday, and I should sleep. < 1390261602 390933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wednesday, the middle of the week < 1390261727 346995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in int-e's native language, that's _literally_ true. < 1390261733 929517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1390261743 552030 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1390261831 768897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how dare you cry at the great Othar Tryggvassen (Gentleman Adventurer!) < 1390261844 60129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with the concept of "breaking the fifth wall", it's where the medium via which the show is being communicated become relevant, as in not just "the characters are aware of the audience", but "the characters are aware of the properties of the screen that's being used to show them" < 1390261850 365951 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, let’s run some Python code for every packet on a 10 Gbit/s link and do a string comparison, too. http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4686941&cid=46012021 < 1390261867 256747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sometimes is annoyed at how the foglio's decided to spell his last name
< 1390261879 174380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think that's part of the same wall < 1390261895 277326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think that's much more interesting in the context of a play than in the context of something on a screen < 1390261901 20559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-' , maybe < 1390261902 460659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it's a different one because the audience are aware of themselves, but aren't necessarily aware of that < 1390261933 256190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to see a play in which the characters eventually discover that they are characters in a play < 1390261953 595122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's serious rather than some sort of gag < 1390261968 270065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the fifth wall in the play would be when the characters became aware of what actors were playing them < 1390261979 12725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1390261992 333510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's what i mean, anyway < 1390261997 94729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally when the fourth wall is broken in a play, that doesn't matter, you can swap out the actors and it still work < 1390261999 226035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1390262056 866479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it makes sense to call it a wall < 1390262116 265491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it makes sense to call the fourth wall a wall either < 1390262190 992518 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Keep in mind that macros are not an officially supported feature of Oz." < 1390262198 386537 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... how does this macro stuff work then < 1390262210 383406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic. < 1390262228 156464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works, it's just not officially supported < 1390262363 128939 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ I want officially supported macros