< 1390089700 130087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1390089853 986369 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1390091344 731263 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390091818 882194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: A number of people have had it not work despite other text working. <-- it worked for me yesterday when you first posted it, but it no longer does. < 1390092252 662256 :Jafet!~jafet@static.77.207.4.46.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1390093229 829380 :CADD_!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1390093405 543523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken age is great, by the way < 1390093438 125708 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh really? Hm. But it is only the first episode isn't it? < 1390093474 119351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1390093493 933737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first episode is great. have not played the part that doesn't exist yet < 1390093505 242729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously < 1390093514 623820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it going to be 2 or more episodes? < 1390093580 230430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1390093587 383375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1390093600 778702 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1390093604 708138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's what you meant < 1390093616 726709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1390093622 393440 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1390093630 352479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you kickstart it? < 1390093642 527939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1390093645 996294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1390093675 514061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the non-beta is coming out on jan 28 < 1390093693 891109 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-20085.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390093733 690747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ACT 1 WILL BE AVAILABLE ON JANUARY 28TH, AND THE ACT 2 CONCLUSION WILL ARRIVE AS A FREE UPDATE LATER THIS YEAR " < 1390093737 1249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's 2 acts < 1390093823 349487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log finger.*tree.*jp.?g < 1390093855 801683 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1390093876 574989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs finger.*tree < 1390093899 359439 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31614 < 1390093958 819732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was png < 1390094545 291295 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390094696 432708 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best Un- card? < 1390094784 797246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Last week, I created a banned and restricted list for Unglued. Four cards were banned, and two were restricted." < 1390094794 190771 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...trying to bring sanity to Unglued. Wat. < 1390094867 847244 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1390094875 335927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying the idea is a little ... unhinged? < 1390094918 341996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which cards did you ban/restrict? < 1390094931 913035 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't, I'm reading an article by someone else < 1390094942 728658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/multiplayer/7489_Bringing_Unglued_Into_Your_Casual_Game_8212_Part_I.html < 1390094947 663300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And which ones (if any) are banned in Limited too? (Normally no cards are banned/restricted in Limited, but sometimes there are some) < 1390094968 563322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as cards dealing with ante are sometimes banned) < 1390094988 848944 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1390095077 684266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: all Unglued and Unhinged cards are not allowed in any format < 1390095098 118987 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the basic lands < 1390095124 347883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I know, but if you are allowing them in your own format, then you have to also specify what is allowed if playing Limited, too. < 1390095505 95657 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390095505 773664 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390095564 716565 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390095577 441358 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390095577 595450 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390096097 757318 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390096514 96493 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I manage to read a bunch of Sliver cards yet still at one point think it says Silver? < 1390096853 986146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's because of the hypnotic treatment you got to forget that your family's real surname is Glod. < 1390096861 220538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious side effect. < 1390097406 373076 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Duplicating dwarves? < 1390097447 898032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1390097486 14227 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terry Pratchett reference < 1390097920 984485 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody know/remember in which version Minecraft switched to using an ad-hoc server in single-player mode? < 1390098135 138755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: okay. i'm still only up to Eric + The Last Continent. < 1390098183 972583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i vaguely thought everything in Minecraft was ad hoc. < 1390098258 933371 :CADD__!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390098259 87635 :CADD__!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Client Quit < 1390098288 19091 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lul, that's true, but in older versions there didn't happen to be an ad-hoc SERVER for single-player play ;) < 1390098347 568193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shall assume the u in lul is for "unreasonably"
< 1390098525 731761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever dream about new games that don't actually exist? < 1390098539 727234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or at least, as far as you know it doesn't exist) < 1390098557 184323 :nucular!~MOO@unaffiliated/nucular QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390099366 993251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I misread that as "unnecessary", then was about to complain that it had to be a preposition or an adverb < 1390099368 767307 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't, but it sounds like a normal thing to dream about < 1390099373 281209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I read it again before complaining < 1390099677 835301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a good idea < 1390100659 827071 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390101993 624204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have dream twice like that I can remember, once the first computer game ever invented which was an implementation of a card game called "One Draw", and once of a chess variant with some really strange properties. < 1390102124 449694 :uLEptCKecX!~ugHpzVeqR@27.122.12.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390102126 138300 :uLEptCKecX!~ugHpzVeqR@27.122.12.75 PART :#esoteric < 1390102458 882227 :RomAbptTHN!~FhSnDRSzv@27.122.12.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390102460 690335 :RomAbptTHN!~FhSnDRSzv@27.122.12.75 PART :#esoteric < 1390102504 501836 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O a deck without basic lands < 1390102511 823258 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it has lands, but... just a bit surprised < 1390102534 257389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's really common in Legacy < 1390102549 390506 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is Standard? < 1390102552 759185 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bug-flash-18-01-14-1/ < 1390102556 729415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that some people started sideboarding Path to Exile on the assumption that the opponent probably wouldn't be able to play it < 1390102567 895854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in Standard, it's rare, but doable if you're playing three colors < 1390102676 247488 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr Gatherer doesn't play nice with Chrome's search engine bar < 1390102691 117511 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magiccards.info does but can't see player discussion like that < 1390102946 894629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an "RDW" player? < 1390102955 606313 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, im guessing you never had to go up against a RDW with Burning Earth? :P" < 1390102990 780455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDW = Red Deck Wins = play cheap red cards only, attack with the most efficient cheap creatures available even if they have crazy drawbacks, finish off with burn < 1390103005 712794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can aim the burn at the opposing creatures for a bit too, if it helps you get through for more damage on the ground < 1390103022 37140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the deck /will/ be overwhelmed if it hasn't won by like turn 6 or 7 < 1390103040 707112 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason a non-RDW wouldn't want to use Burning Earth against the no-basic-lands deck? < 1390103080 48913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Burning Earth's designed as a nonbasic land hoser, so it's pretty good against any no-basic-lands deck < 1390103087 395136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's best in highly aggressive decks < 1390103099 601408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was told that burning earth is generally considered the scow of enchantments < 1390103122 946719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow? < 1390103169 850078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in one of the worst, almost never worth using < 1390103216 393587 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense if there are a lot of people using nonbasic lands, to at least have it in the sideboard < 1390103229 838246 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. Then again, I'm not an expert Magic player < 1390103241 69770 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.... I have misplaced a lot of physical cards < 1390103244 190466 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-20085.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1390103250 225610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what happened is that Wizards like each Standard environment to be different from the one before < 1390103254 687185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ravnica block was all about playing lots of colors < 1390103270 355314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they added a bunch of multicolor deck hosers in M14, like Burning Earth, which were played a bit < 1390103290 311484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ravnica is distinct from Return to Ravnica here, right? < 1390103293 246146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then made monocolored decks really powerful in Theros by adding powerful devotion cards < 1390103293 399931 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multicolor decks generally use nonbasic lands? I guess that makes sense < 1390103300 254165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I meant RtR, we're talking about standard < 1390103307 55248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1390103310 921393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, because most of the best decks are monocolored < 1390103325 170512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much all the lands are either basics or Nykthos < 1390103333 762858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the occasional Mutavault < 1390103356 808723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in Constructed they are, but in Limited would it be the case that best decks would be multicolored? < 1390103361 874479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Burning Earth doesn't hose Nykthos very effectively < 1390103365 2819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nykthos is too good < 1390103391 449340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: two colors is common in Limited, occasionally three, but the issue doesn't come up because there aren't any dual lands in M14, and people don't do M14+Theros limited < 1390103421 208195 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the future, Burning Earth could make a resurgence? < 1390103439 262571 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-20085.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390103476 55287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But what if someone will make up a M14+Theros limited game? < 1390103495 92295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not played often enough for me to have any data on whether Burning Earth is any good in that format, but my guess is still no < 1390103503 652049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: probably not unless it's reprinted < 1390103512 545163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's in M15, possibly < 1390103533 606572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its best chance for staying around was in Innistrad/RtR/M14, where it was used a bit, but that format didn't last long < 1390103548 911448 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make a Magic Online account, get a bunch of cards with the account, but don't play for a few years, does the account become worth less than a new account < 1390103549 663182 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1390103581 590101 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have an old account that I lost the password to, I think I should make a new account instead of bothering with customer service < 1390103591 925111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you're allowed multiple accounts < 1390103602 643116 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1390103620 450594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the older cards might or might not have become more valuable, although they're probably less valuable if they're a) not Standard-legal, and b) not good in the formats they are legal in < 1390103631 410855 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1390103654 410389 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, might have two accounts, a friend gifted me one but I never took interest, and I think I made a different one on my own < 1390103867 397687 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=366411 < 1390103880 253519 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... does someone ever manage to play this? < 1390103926 125692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of ways of getting lots of mana < 1390103955 838896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's played all the time in Legacy, normally using Omniscience: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=288937 < 1390103971 907765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's use a 10-mana card to play a 12-mana card < 1390103983 883208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone might play a Zhur-Taa Ancient, for instance < 1390103984 954091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omniscience is normally played using Show and Tell or Dream Halls < 1390104059 737294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day i was playing a game and someone played Mind Grind with X=21 < 1390104063 147390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deck normally wins around turn 3 or 4 and is very difficult to top < 1390104064 910117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stop < 1390104088 953167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a bunch of Axebane Guardians < 1390104183 204935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a game of Magic reaches the 21-mana stage, then either a) it's multiplayer; b) a control player is winning; or c) someone is playing a lot of ramp < 1390104254 536309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was c) < 1390104401 750138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also a progenitor mimic involved < 1390104415 893368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the 6502 machine code, even the TXA and TYA instructions affect the zero flag; therefore you can use this as one way to compare the X/Y register with zero if the A register is not going to be used. < 1390104454 2286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i had an idea more esolang than MtG and i wondered what you would think < 1390104473 973695 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1390104483 86437 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1390104484 3861 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1390104487 133349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: go on < 1390104490 206869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Show it to here; let's see maybe I might want to see it too < 1390104522 127449 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i was thinking, imagine a binary "ring" < 1390104537 553220 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you start an IP somewhere < 1390104556 652466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by a binary ring? circular queue made of bits? < 1390104564 282545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1390104578 626156 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1390104596 874063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so it's kinda like Self BCT maybe, or maybe like one of wolfram's 1d automata < 1390104605 381994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you delete the first 80 bits < 1390104618 843546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the first bit was 1, insert the SHA-1 of the deleted bits at the end < 1390104638 28828 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much it < 1390104656 936871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of those languages which would be nightmarish to prove TC or otherwise < 1390104667 351976 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :think it could do anything interesting? think it could be gamed into behaving predictably < 1390104758 430720 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew more about what was known about SHA < 1390104767 773958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits is an SHA-1? < 1390104780 577564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you'd get very far without being able to reverse hashes < 1390104792 739418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary hashes, not the Google-reversible ones < 1390104833 806904 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :160 bits < 1390104851 366666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was that for a random bit string, we should expect it to remain about the same size < 1390104868 21722 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since about half the time you push back twice as many bits < 1390104894 968706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1390104915 360828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd obviously be sub-TC if you always took 160 < 1390104928 777353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you only have finite storage because the different 160-bit blocks can't interact with each other < 1390104939 871167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 80, though, they can, because you get the last half of one and the first half of the next < 1390105020 669488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know if reversible hashes would be necessary. the first bit might be predictable somehow < 1390105061 295288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the entire point is that none of the bits are predictable, as far as cryptographers know, and it was intentionally designed with that property < 1390105203 573534 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. well, have they proved that it doesn't contain hash loops? < 1390105268 953221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all hashing systems contain hash loops /eventually/ < 1390105278 394432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but finding a short one is meant to be pretty much impossible < 1390105673 100773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no known SHA-1 quine? < 1390105787 838348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a known fixed point for a cryptographic hash function would be p. suspect imo < 1390106269 403464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently http://stackoverflow.com/a/235910/1088108 applies, it's about 67% probability a random function (which one would hope any hash function is in spirit) has fixed points. which does not help finding them. < 1390106286 303405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops *63% < 1390106291 696585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 - 1/exp 1 < 1390106292 777841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6321205588285577 < 1390106347 939980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 - exp (-1) < 1390106349 36497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6321205588285577 < 1390106356 484987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some comment further down said 67% wrongly and my brain remembered the wrong one. < 1390106393 649908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a card that discourages your opponent from jamming up their creatures? < 1390106498 280130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whenever an opponent puts a +1/+1 counter on a creature, ... deals 1 damage to that opponent" or something like that, i don't know < 1390106536 761143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else, causes all power/toughness counter to be reversed??? < 1390106575 119923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would also discourage an opponent from using jams < 1390107058 187429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm i'm blanking on how to calculate the probability of an oscillation hash of length two < 1390107121 113247 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it possible to prove something is Turing-complete without actually knowing how to construct any useful programs whatsoever in it? < 1390107144 924878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not sure; I can't think of a way to do that but it isn't obviously impossible < 1390107174 106616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :barring a language where you can prove that a program that does X exists, but be unable to write it down due to trapdoor functions or the like < 1390107183 897506 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. SHAfuck < 1390107186 463170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1390107208 467327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly a general technique/theorem < 1390107216 892357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1390107376 913916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you also an expert in synthetic topology < 1390107582 445432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think that, unless such techniques are known, it would be safe to say that proving this language TC is intractable? < 1390107592 250587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example why are these things called "synthetic" < 1390107691 63115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yep, I wouldn't say it's necessarily impossible, but I'd say there's no known way to go about even starting to prove it TC < 1390107752 742339 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you ever had any ideas for a proof of Self BCT? < 1390107879 990428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I haven't really looked at it though < 1390107881 840647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, i only came up with this idea so that i could have a language called "SHAring is CAring". it turns out to be far more intellectually stimulating that i would have hoped. < 1390107989 640415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you mean period 2? < 1390107996 852013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1390108021 61750 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither Netflix nor Amazon Instant Video have Early Edition to stream :( < 1390108046 723602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry. < 1390108099 181456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hulu? < 1390108134 238390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone know if netflix has decided to support streaming to linux yet < 1390108149 637325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does android count < 1390108150 202675 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nope (re hulu) < 1390108164 117193 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Early Edition a good show? < 1390108191 496916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i remember correctly it has a neat premise but is p. repetitive < 1390108192 861530 :zIWYIiWPIS!~VHrQMjiBM@93.114.43.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390108193 758823 :zIWYIiWPIS!~VHrQMjiBM@93.114.43.244 PART :#esoteric < 1390108231 11763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think a lot of the episodes are on youtube or something like that? i don't remember < 1390108236 878105 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen one episode many many years ago, going to rewatch it < 1390108243 240203 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, actually, two episodes < 1390108670 625069 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm enjoying this, but do not recognize this (the beginning) at all < 1390108746 980425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember it being good. didn't it use to air after touched by an angel < 1390108781 172491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you want an awesome show to watch that was (last time i watched it) on hulu, try Regenesis < 1390108835 460846 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me tomorrow < 1390108845 500627 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... I need some kind of list to list things I want to watch < 1390108867 390378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1390108873 840464 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :best add that to your list of lists to make < 1390108878 251422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get around to making it < 1390108963 912127 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now I recognize the episode < 1390109414 776906 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390110039 299312 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390110135 5581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch Kaiji (based on the manga by Fukumoto); I think that TV show is really good < 1390110359 266542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about some programming language where you can call a subroutine multiple times if you put semicolons, such as print(a,b;c,1); being same as print(a,b); print(c,1); Do you know what ones have such thing? I don't really know, but I read something about it in some book. < 1390110680 682085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't they have a "memstr" function in C? < 1390110730 26198 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit too powers-that-be-sy < 1390110776 803679 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, once it's obvious what's going on, it's not obvious that there's any sort of limit. Except they put a trailer at the END of the episode, which gives a 3 chances limit, but... um... what. < 1390111222 468938 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me uneasy that Magic is so... centralized < 1390111232 93255 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though... really, what else would I expect? < 1390111305 612973 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://31.media.tumblr.com/9d0510a3f9e9c0145ca98c5b76f3fca9/tumblr_inline_mzi6i3IoDp1ricn74.jpg < 1390111330 94725 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about Slivers when I was a kid, but... it just didn't occur to me that their abilities would mix < 1390111339 586377 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, between both opponents having slivers < 1390111526 358607 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1390112055 985681 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1390112415 335337 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=376562 < 1390112416 57640 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1390112467 812783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1390112502 200169 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit powerful < 1390112513 695351 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1390113360 762066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Yep! < 1390113601 280094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it is < 1390113923 846233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm addicted to a comic that considers a game addicting < 1390113941 360175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the price for this thing right now is hovering at around 40$. Y'know, about the same as the 100-card precon he comes in. Seriously, people. < 1390114157 361381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason it hasn't completely broken Legacy in half is that it costs 3 and is weak to combo because it only does 3 damage per turn and the combo deck wasn't planning on blocking or removing it anyway < 1390114172 562634 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390114470 736151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's currently selling for $50 when the deck it comes in costs $30 (and has, obviously, sold out) < 1390114856 882727 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cardboard-crack.com/post/61266596221 < 1390114891 822016 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the rules for each card can be programmed in, would brute-force be... well, no, it wouldn't be able to look at opponents library < 1390115206 735186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too many possibilties, too, even in one-set block / one-set limited < 1390115275 10018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it gained protection from one target opponent but then lost protection from another target opponent < 1390115285 133121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would only be useful with more than one opponent < 1390115298 323826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, s/nother// < 1390115586 281752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing a program and I want to find a RAM signature in a quick save state file created by a NES/Famicom emulator. What is the best way to make such a search through the file? < 1390115713 138294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan through memory, if you find a character that in't anywhere in the signature move forwards by the length of the signature, if you find a character that is in the signature but not the first move forwards by the number of characters that character is from the end of the signature, if you find the first character of the signature do a memcmp < 1390115775 262752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if the others match < 1390115782 670652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how fgrep works, IIRC < 1390115801 377285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a good algorithm to use for a hypothetical memmem function, too < 1390115846 976240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The signature is five null bytes followed by "AARON.BLACK" although I could change it if it is necessary. Note that the signature does not occur in the ROM on purpose (in case the emulator saves the ROM too for some reason). < 1390115853 308971 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a shame there's not a memmem, yeah. < 1390115901 570558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, as well as "memmem" I also wanted "memdup" and a few other things < 1390115920 660047 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memdup's pretty trivial though. < 1390115938 625317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can easily be implemented. < 1390115962 953053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it would be useful to have like strdup is. < 1390115972 237225 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :void *memdup(const void *s, size_t n) { void *x=malloc(n);if(!x)return x;memcpy(x,s,n);return x;} < 1390115984 607489 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely agree it's a (moderately) useful function. < 1390116044 923125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I would do something like that to implement it, if I want to implement it. < 1390116073 347292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I if (x)memcpy(x,s,n);return x; < 1390116082 506417 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's slightly simpler. < 1390116092 369359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "if (!x) return x"? < 1390116105 481696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write return NULL there, it's harder to follow the control flow otherwise < 1390116112 314967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes it is better < 1390116121 487788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :return x?memcpy(x,s,n):x; :) < 1390116135 781307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, why are you using a variable that's always NULL (forcing the reader to check it's always NULL), than just saying NULL (or 0 if you're golfing) < 1390116153 160786 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No reason at all, I agree it's cleaner that way. < 1390116240 78425 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :void*memdup(const void*s,size_t n){void *x;return x=malloc(n)?memcpy(x,s,n):0;} // If we're gonna golf. < 1390116316 41310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there were multiple NULLs that were indistinguishable to you < 1390116328 534122 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we're not talking C. < 1390116354 343672 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.110.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390116354 680744 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390116354 845956 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390116355 10512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390116378 228551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could as reasonably ask "what if there were multiple 1s" < 1390116381 183435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1390116387 764236 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1390116394 803053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also if c had, like, parametricity < 1390116510 579091 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80b-12.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1390116817 639710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1, and 0.999… < 1390116887 760893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, those are just different ways of writing the same number. < 1390116893 946490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: exactly < 1390116923 172119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading the Wikipedia archive a while back of the page where they moved all the arguments from people trying to claim they were different < 1390116929 31768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty funny < 1390116941 87800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "what if there were multiple numbers d such that d^2 = 0" is more interesting < 1390116981 479344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 0.999... are equal, even if they are different numbers somehow. < 1390116981 767999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's actually a common counterexample in topology < 1390116988 797180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is identical to the reals except it has two different zeros < 1390117001 708931 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE 754? < 1390117017 175010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of e.g. http://math.andrej.com/2008/08/13/intuitionistic-mathematics-for-physics/ < 1390117036 476554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE 754 doesn't include all the reals, though, isn't it? < 1390117051 715207 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just being silly :) < 1390117053 588447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read _Counterexamples in Topology_! I heard that's a good book to read. < 1390117111 569381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's really badly behaved, e.g. you can't always take limits because if the limit is 0, you have two equally good options < 1390117131 536226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I I vaguely remember reading about that space. < 1390117138 223150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/..// < 1390117303 10283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a name? < 1390117321 296338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I can't remember what it is < 1390117363 270492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm thinking of the example in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connected_space#Disconnected_spaces < 1390117515 547064 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nor do the reals include all the IEEE 754 values. < 1390117548 367507 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty certain that NaN is not a real. < 1390117554 839408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"inclusion" is a funny concept < 1390117616 337770 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or infinity :) < 1390117731 14150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"inclusion" makes no sense in this context at all, actually < 1390117875 414148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊬ looks too much like ∀ < 1390117909 758399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that too, clearly. < 1390117937 594193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not a real why isn't it called NaR < 1390117940 272053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1390117956 878535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all reals are numbers, so NaN is a stronger statement < 1390119123 798606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1390121070 539244 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-186.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1390121358 110837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common is it to use instructions like TAX/TAY/TXA/TYA in a 6502 code only for adjusting the zero flag? < 1390123015 704568 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone JOIN :#esoteric < 1390125501 955597 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1390126030 700863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ConMan/Proof_that_0.999..._does_not_equal_1 ? < 1390126033 913407 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that you're here < 1390126053 658489 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.110.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1390126308 180241 :DevonX0121!~Devon_2@207-255-213-045-dhcp.cbe.md.atlanticbb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390126320 948916 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wow this page < 1390126331 326829 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a trainwreck but i can't look away < 1390126331 828185 :DevonX0121!~Devon_2@207-255-213-045-dhcp.cbe.md.atlanticbb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390126416 721386 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1390126445 915842 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now, if we raise both sides to ∞," < 1390126470 123051 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic and Mathmatical Induction[edit] < 1390126470 314752 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this is a proof against the .999... = 1 proof. It has to do with the identity of infinity, and that infinity is not always equal to infinity (no matter what they tell you). < 1390126521 529266 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if any of you had any sort of real intelligence you would see that not only does .999... not equal to 1, but that there are no such things as fractions of any sort in reality," < 1390126655 422715 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1390126679 662493 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390126752 255131 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia would like you to believe that what they publish is mainstream mathematics. This is false. Wikipedia's math articles are the ideas of the core editing group. One should never believe anything. Nor should one trust any source. < 1390126900 770373 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only is 0.999... NOT equal to 1, but every academic has no idea what is a number. [...] Warning: Delete this post or move it to the end of your talk page and I will not share any more of my knowledge with you. < 1390126903 292367 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDD < 1390126949 657525 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1390127281 30472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Academics claim that every set has as a subset, the empty set. If {} is the empty set, then what sense does the set {{}} make? Answer: Nonsense. The object {{}} contains the empty set as a *subset* and also as an *element* Confused? I am not surprised. Of couse this makes perfect sense to academic ignoramuses who thing they can just *define* concepts without careful thought. < 1390127315 373687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.filesanywhere.com/fs/v.aspx?v=8b6966895b6673aa6b6c is like the time cube of 0.999... < 1390127354 676766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 simultaneous days in 0.999... 24-hour rotations < 1390127367 474399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to close the page, but it didn't help, because all the worst parts keep spilling over to the channel. < 1390127516 94571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Consider nominating me for the Abel prize in mathematics. Winner is announced every year on March 31st. I am the discoverer of the first rigorous formulation of calculus in history. Given that hundreds, if not thousands of academics, tried unsuccessfully to formulate a rigorous calculus before me, the New Calculus is a historic and monumental achievement." < 1390127563 901890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, time cube < 1390128097 933501 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390128789 789873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the https://www.filesanywhere.com/fs/v.aspx?v=8b6966895b6673aa6b6c missed a pretty important detail in the definition of the Dedekind cut < 1390129693 884127 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1390129871 669015 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-20085.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1390130037 264799 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-28-186.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390130047 987469 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: "fractions don't exist" is a pretty bold claim < 1390130086 758815 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-20085.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390130512 12819 :jfb_!516d635a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.109.99.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390130536 230019 :jfb_!516d635a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.109.99.90 QUIT :Client Quit < 1390130591 897530 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1390131042 888074 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD ONLY MADE INTEGERS FREEFULL < 1390131118 640606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: God is dead < 1390131617 366545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, god only made algebraic data types < 1390131876 828454 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1390132478 832187 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1390132786 888318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390133303 24786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :God only made 0 and succ < 1390133575 146373 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God only made the ZFC axioms < 1390133783 401665 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1390134953 105796 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390136359 936772 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-20085.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390137586 567120 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-23363.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390137660 401734 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-23363.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390138046 148251 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390138510 986770 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1390138836 671312 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-17456.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390139365 657147 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-17456.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1390140282 773445 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390140905 268195 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390140932 849021 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1390141207 830905 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1390141463 243194 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1390141563 816000 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1390141996 659067 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390142034 608425 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1390142034 762497 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1390142749 379898 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390142939 913930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1390144722 977299 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1390145486 801378 :Tritonio!~tritonio@212.251.54.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1390146592 55041 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-17456.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390147806 249150 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390148421 487128 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390149492 737935 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1390152325 668723 :mauris!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1390152409 298583 :mauris!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be NICK :nooodl < 1390152761 918840 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you ever continue work on that GHC closure serializer? I never took mine any further < 1390152850 638992 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1390153225 966127 :nooodl!~nooodl@d54C668E4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390153237 501594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, nope. < 1390153467 168450 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1390153601 740512 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1390153692 262422 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity :) < 1390153793 476178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've learned about this related work in the meantime: http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.2017 < 1390153825 760454 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fun < 1390154265 473394 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still more interesting in the serialization aspect myself < 1390154269 496201 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interested < 1390154488 815958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's yet another doodle to revive. I have too many of those. < 1390154538 412843 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1390154541 385804 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you on github? < 1390154555 754583 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, you are < 1390154574 175589 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, Zeckendorf numbers! < 1390154704 888191 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's firmly in the "useless, but fun" category. < 1390154791 764830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1390154813 364043 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390155690 825954 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390156391 131094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've shared the others here too, so here's the latest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEiHZQw_2Qk < 1390156792 875169 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390158616 117049 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money did I just cause The Onion to get? < 1390158647 278594 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a slideshow, "187 Images, Which, If Rapidly Clicked Through, Will Create The Illusion Of Motion", which I just clicked through all of them < 1390158652 973866 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The animation itself was boring < 1390158658 222026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the zeckendorf numbers! < 1390158681 609305 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: one hundred eighty seven billionths of a cent < 1390158946 908541 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1390159124 305738 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/F7AcL < 1390159488 102997 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-17456.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1390160089 123429 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@unaffiliated/mindlessdrone QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1390160376 787275 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390161945 992691 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390162001 217673 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Haskell models of linear logic. < 1390162037 348148 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall express my (ever-diminishing) confusion by using upside-down question marks. < 1390162049 75024 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿How the heck does this stuff work? < 1390162156 863186 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :⸮ < 1390162225 669248 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the fundamental unit here is... let's call it a function, why not. The type of a function is a sequent, which consists of zero or more terms. < 1390162294 537822 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have two sequents, one containing a term and the other containing the dual of that term, you can cut the two sequents together to form a new sequent containing all the terms of both sequents, with those two terms removed. < 1390162321 988840 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can cut the sequent A, B, ~C with the sequent ~A, D, ~E to get the sequent B, ~C, D, ~E. Easy. < 1390162357 406424 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then program flow and parameters and return points and efsdalkj. < 1390163109 499630 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@135-23-50-28.cpe.pppoe.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1390163291 499289 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone came across an unopened Alpha booster, would it be better to open it to see if there are any very valuable cards, or leave it unopened to sell? < 1390163307 162285 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say almost definitely leave it unopened. < 1390163366 844507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't they somewhat transparent at that point so that you could look through the wrapper or something? < 1390163492 795332 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0p4mRfLmCk < 1390163496 790636 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unopened pack can later be opened; an opened pack cannot later be unopened. So an unopened pack has at least as much expected value as an opened pack, plus extra value if they're significantly rarer than the equivalent cards. < 1390163501 881465 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's somewhat anecdotal though < 1390163521 109256 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, return points cannot be duplicated or discarded: each function must return exactly once. They are not reified, however. You can't pass a return point into another function and have that function return on your behalf. < 1390163539 371355 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is Paws relevent at all? < 1390163568 15344 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paws.mu/ < 1390163573 922712 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, need to find better website < 1390163630 650994 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, this sucks < 1390163631 709782 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you’re interested in Paws, you should join the IRC channel. There’s no coherent documentation on the underlying paradigm online; we’ve tried several times to compile such, and had no luck. It’s quite difficult to explain without an example interpreter to point people to, even on a one-on-basis; nearly impossible to do so with no example implementation and in a generalized anybody-who-reads-this form. (Yes, we know this situation < 1390163631 881747 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks!)" < 1390163694 520121 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Paws/Paws.js might be better? < 1390163742 20438 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: possibly. < 1390163800 859425 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unopened Alpha packs are actually worth rather a lot more than the expected value of the contents, no? < 1390163842 17517 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering the transparency thing, how does that effect the expected value? < 1390163866 761803 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it doesn't. If you can see through the package, potential buyers can see through it, too. < 1390163907 996625 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't any such transparency thing, given how the packs are laid out, only really let you see the commons? < 1390163919 511639 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An especially rare Alpha card is really valuable, right? I'd expect an unopened Alpha pack that visibly contains an especially rare Alpha card to be way, way more valuable still. < 1390163955 65891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-ray it < 1390163958 819607 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that most of the Alpha commons are actually not worth much -- like, a couple bucks.) < 1390164028 32839 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, especially rare Alpha cards go all the way up to $6k. < 1390164085 812713 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a Portal book, not sure what happened to it < 1390164092 826870 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think I actually had any Portal cards < 1390164116 371942 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, a decent cause of the cost of Alpha cards is that some of the more powerful ones were only printed in Alpha, Beta, and Unlimited. < 1390164173 836232 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't any Revised Black Lotus out there, for instance. < 1390164196 199040 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think there must be a lot of counterfeit cards out there. < 1390164235 554954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How balanced is it if a variant of Black Lotus that uses untap and sacrifice instead of tap and sacrifice to activate? < 1390164333 864955 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I imagine, though that's counterbalanced to some extent by the fact that there's a known (very small) quantity of some of these cards. < 1390164341 89747 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exist 22,800 Black Lotuses. < 1390164379 672806 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just too small for a decent print run. Though, even a 1-off run has insane profit margines. < 1390164395 460893 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Magic Online support un-cards? < 1390164396 254988 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1390164427 875210 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heading out. See y'alls. < 1390164433 44317 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1390164450 848792 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1390164492 404941 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the issue that those cards are almost never seen in unplayed condition. < 1390164701 555145 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1390164745 364465 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1. Ass Whuppin' < 1390164745 556188 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Sleight of Mind "silver" to "black" < 1390164745 556342 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Stand up so you can see the entire room < 1390164745 556474 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Play Radiate < 1390164745 556567 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me everyone, all of your permanents are destroyed." < 1390164880 582318 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@Mr. Wumples: Not good enough. I want to make everyone in the room lose their game. No matter which game they're playing. "Hey you guys, playing Scrabble? You all lost. Oh hey, 3.5 group? Excuse me? Your entire party just died. Yup. Sorry." Surely there must be a combo that can let me do that. Maybe in the next Un set?" < 1390165033 577831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote some Un-card that everybody *win* the game, even news reporters who have never played and don't know how. < 1390165045 567028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even news reporters? whoa < 1390165200 533950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your entire party just died I don't think that is necessarily a loss. And if you are playing Scrabble and all lost, well you still need to count the points! < 1390166668 689899 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you lose your whole party and not have it be a loss < 1390166982 852593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go: https://github.com/branan/cruller < 1390167017 908769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: In case you have already succeeded at the goal. < 1390167033 363183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, the goal might include not dying, but it might not.) < 1390167083 83929 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goal < 1390167093 968185 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my campaigns the only goal is friendship. < 1390167114 455357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you have a campaign where the goal is to get everyone dead < 1390167135 140507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in interesting, unlikely ways) < 1390167267 786650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Such a thing is unlikely, but I suppose if that is the goal, then dying yourself would be the last step in completing it! < 1390167327 927712 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1390167354 682742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a campaign where everyone's goal is to be eaten first < 1390167367 769232 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be Call of Cthulhu. < 1390167594 241749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can tie at that. < 1390167650 581070 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1390167767 794890 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390167818 739169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390167893 369915 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1390167897 121951 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390168024 774683 :Tritonio!~tritonio@athedsl-22483.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1390168071 381457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even have different people having different goals, too < 1390168195 186792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might depend on your level, affiliations (with various churches, guilds, or Aberration Saver or Harper or International Astronomical Conspiracy or whatever), position relative to other player characters, and such thing may also affect how much of "lesser win" something is, and whether dying is still allowed to complete the goal or not, etc < 1390168366 820668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes reread the story of Old Man Henderson.
< 1390168403 740030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390168433 619221 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just make everyone play the wall campaign < 1390168440 681314 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, friendships are usually lacking < 1390168691 281103 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1390168912 670538 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening to a song I've associated with "Kernel Lisp is the best language!" even while preparing a criticism of Kernel Lisp < 1390168965 412083 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a nerdassed association < 1390169023 227750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is kernel lisp? < 1390169095 163034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel lisp, scheme lisp, clojure lisp < 1390169095 436130 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no static types, so worthless < 1390169121 106827 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~jshutt/kernel.html < 1390169143 734915 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Kernel is such a sucky name that I have to change it to something else. klisp is tempting, but that's just the name of a particular implementation < 1390169152 401636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1390169160 234116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise shutt had given ownership of kernel over to you < 1390169170 257692 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo Lisp Enterprise Edition < 1390169200 785073 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a word to put on the end with 'p'? < 1390169407 448828 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Predicated < 1390169419 376720 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that makes much sense here, but still < 1390169444 878339 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'p' and lisp makes me think of abominations like zerop < 1390169517 470776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether EE goes together with Professional :) < 1390169566 71921 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("not only do we mean business, no, we believe we're good at it, too") < 1390169569 362084 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i think 'abomination' i imagine a wizard saying something very stern to a dark sorceress, rather than zerop < 1390169571 645579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that language < 1390169571 799804 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enterprise Edition for Professionals? < 1390169575 49906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heared about that < 1390169863 592178 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did I put my copy of klisp? :( < 1390170724 131140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1390171407 769051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I managed to close the page, but it didn't help, because all the worst parts keep spilling over to the channel. <-- word. < 1390171914 916438 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groups.google.com/d/msg/klisp/g9tHOOfGYJU/xZOq4ctDLEIJ < 1390172013 142821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⸮ < 1390172017 475507 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2E2E REVERSED QUESTION MARK] < 1390172021 801834 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390172071 223999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a reversed upside down question mark < 1390172130 376993 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1390172211 457194 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᣡ ﺫ < 1390172224 590229 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: any thoughts on my post? < 1390172233 892960 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I am not at all happy about how closed off that group is < 1390172610 730401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ﺫ < 1390172612 255075 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FEAB ARABIC LETTER THAL ISOLATED FORM] < 1390172647 474714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 뻯 < 1390172648 914532 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+BEEF HANGUL SYLLABLE BBEGS] < 1390172717 796112 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there's a NetHack thing for unique deaths, I think < 1390172862 327415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unique deaths competitions are common in tournamnts < 1390172916 279171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if that's easier than ascending < 1390172949 674020 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know some deaths are more late-game, like the ones for negative controlled level teleports < 1390173015 544479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's pretty early < 1390173023 106028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some deaths only possible on Astral, those are late-game < 1390173281 292496 :nooga!~nooga@cpc4-acto3-2-0-cust71.4-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1390173352 744759 :cen_!~plex@178-191-73-76.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1390173631 496803 :cen_!~plex@178-191-73-76.adsl.highway.telekom.at PART :#esoteric < 1390174317 313801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1390174459 217647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'p' and lisp makes me think of abominations like zerop < 1390174481 808364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp is actually the predicate to determine whether something is lis < 1390174688 716223 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1390174756 854319 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1390175394 818478 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1390175510 736072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds