< 1389571224 912475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subject: Eris is the main object, Dysnomia the small grey disk just above it." Oh, spam subject lines. < 1389571280 482090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mistake of cosmic proportions < 1389571283 2311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for something astronomical, but it's one of these spam messages I don't really "get", where the body also has just some random text and there's no attempt to actually sell/scam anything. < 1389571316 679719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While at Yale, Shevlin also developed a passion for the new sport of automobile racing. In 1891, he suffered a fall and an internal injury. In 1907, he moved to Vancouver and was also active in real estate. Another fight broke out in early spring 1915." < 1389571321 30399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the entire contents. < 1389571338 363587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both the plaintext and HTML versions, and the HTML version hasn't got any links. < 1389571343 119134 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s to add noise to spam filters. < 1389571410 238512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Plans within plans. < 1389571454 782265 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=241831 < 1389571470 396456 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one day i want to cancel this card. just for fun." < 1389571507 94531 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389571555 563400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: huh that's fiendish if true < 1389571572 494006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what if you have an "Instants cost you {1} less to play"? then it might even be the right play < 1389571697 416853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Procrastination is bad and umbrellas are :( < 1389571998 252585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, or maybe in a game with more than two players you might also want to use Cancel on it. < 1389572087 408912 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389572169 202291 :ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389572227 495851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about someone who had a deck with a very large number of Islands and one Battle of Wits, and managed to win with that. < 1389572261 261372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed I have the line ":ter2!~tertu@143.44.70.199 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer" in the same position in two IRC windows. < 1389572293 968595 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389572305 803588 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389572326 856952 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389572444 404915 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/ds/en/114.html < 1389572457 997975 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there ways to fight against that other than winning fast (well, I guess 20 turns is a long time)? < 1389572548 68754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "exile target artifact" effects is the most obvious < 1389572557 82620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use a card that removes counters < 1389572571 593099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bounce it (Boomerang, etc.) < 1389572648 424052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In tournaments, you must be able to shuffle your entire deck within a reasonable amount of time." < 1389572671 318387 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://magiccards.info/isd/en/61.html this seems awesome for fighting against miller decks < 1389572686 78604 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he can relate topological graph theory to programming languages
< 1389572792 92577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i guess cards like Vorel of the Hull Clade can double the jams on Darksteel Reactor < 1389572863 633103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you manage to pick Darksteel Reactor in a draft, then see if you have enough defense and counterspell then maybe it can help you to win with such a thing. < 1389572934 182783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Limited formats are the only formats I ever play; I don't like the Constructed formats.) < 1389573321 116643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can actually afford to play Magic now < 1389573355 378288 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, PokerTH allows spectators now < 1389573640 424261 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389573676 892740 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389573934 72668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money can you expect to lose on average if you play Limited formats and sell all cards you manage to get after the tournament is finished? < 1389573955 894717 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389573975 594753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's been tested very extensively on Magic Online, the answer is "if you're a good player, you make money, so long as you're careful to normally play against people worse than yourself" < 1389574053 103238 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sell your virtual cards on MGO? < 1389574061 946442 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTGO < 1389574068 330046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, but only for MTGO currency < 1389574082 997913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you can then use the currency to enter more MTGO tournaments < 1389574095 939107 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need real currency to buy MTGO currency I assume, if I don't sell cards < 1389574096 123520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up not spending any real money, and gaining more and more MTGO currency over time < 1389574122 735916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What if you play in just normal tournaments in a store or anime convention or something? < 1389574131 447896 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole real money thing is what bothered me most about MTGO, but... I actually have money now < 1389574134 695703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather than being careful to pick the opponents) < 1389574148 134290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's still really expensive, though < 1389574153 66256 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's worse than needing real money -- you need real money AND need to take care of your cards < 1389574169 662261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you sell your virtual cards on MtGox < 1389574172 166086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not anymore) < 1389574186 86303 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(not anymore)"? < 1389574193 892652 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1389574212 526448 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess I don't know if the fun I can imagine having on MTGO is worth the cost :/ < 1389574289 454585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have enough fun playing Magic to be worth the cost, but then Lorwyn was released, and I stopped having fun < 1389574298 985406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The cards would be sold right at the tournament though, right after it is finished, I mean; how much would you expect to lose on average? < 1389574314 559118 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't really want to sell cards < 1389574359 101249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1389574360 56151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: MtGox stands for Magic: the Gathering Online Exchange < 1389574360 962910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1389574370 18424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started as a place to sell magic cards, before they got into this newfangled "Bitcoin" thing < 1389574385 412394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa < 1389574394 725794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was an online exchange for magic: the gathering < 1389574401 235548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an exchange for magic: the gathering online < 1389574403 242050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is it < 1389574405 662959 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is telling the truth, if Wikipedia is telling the truth < 1389574407 306626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to play Magic: the Gathering or something on computer, I would prefer to use different software which has open source and allows putting in your own cards and all that stuff too < 1389574411 790770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm not sure < 1389574436 348723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I used Apprentice Way Back In The Day < 1389574439 884764 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the convenience of having the software understand the meaning of the cards overrides that for me < 1389574474 407871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, to write a software that supports it. In fact I had ideas like that too! < 1389574508 661858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could compile card texts with various annotations into a Haskell code. < 1389574614 340446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i get a bunch of magic: the gathering cards < 1389574646 219720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't recommend it; you don't need any. < 1389574675 481323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need any for what? < 1389574680 436052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will give you some when you enter, and you can sell them back afterward. < 1389574704 690357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will < 1389574737 401581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my coworkers play it a lot but in general there is no selling or buying of cards < 1389574833 935086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tournament, if you pay the entry fee they will give you three packs of cards. You can resell them immediately afterward. < 1389574844 684290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic land cards can be borrowed for free. < 1389574883 408730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the entry fee similar to the cost of three packs of cards < 1389574898 535490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't know. < 1389574910 85337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a bit more than the cost of three packs of cards, traditionally < 1389574917 496196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol surprise there < 1389574917 680946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you win the tournament generally you will be given an extra pack. < 1389574942 805679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run olist 937 # Sgeo already did this but HackEgo was gone < 1389574947 373728 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust myself with physical cards anymore < 1389574948 186811 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 937: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1389574964 978311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No! The message has to start with "`olist" deliberately. < 1389574973 271381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it already did once, so that's OK) < 1389575000 729827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's your interpretation. < 1389575014 261630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i search for my nick, not `olist. < 1389575026 447349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome HackEgo < 1389575029 343688 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06HackEgo: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.) < 1389575038 888022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: See, so oerjan did `run olist, so that there would only be one message starting with `olist in the logs. < 1389575044 362756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But your nick willl appear in various other messages too. < 1389575047 968491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ideal. < 1389575059 376127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes that is what I mentioned second time. (Also, `run allows you to add comments afterward, like is done there.) < 1389575078 469695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what oerjan did is ideal. < 1389575086 81889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: of course, and i want to see those too, which is why i search for my nick. < 1389575142 521416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyway the reason i did it now was because some nicks were not mentioned the last time. although only FireFly it seems, who saw the `olist anyway. < 1389575153 673860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1389575541 435403 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.95.91 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389575719 437881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Note to self: if a recipe says "serves 4", I am not physically able to eat it all in one sitting < 1389575723 937988 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1158) Note to self: if a recipe says "serves 4", I am not physically able to eat it all in one sitting < 1389575827 276877 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 4? < 1389575845 427680 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389575850 816251 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck with 60 Plains would be tournament-legal, right? < 1389575858 32549 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1389575863 35795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 trains < 1389575871 911233 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be *bad*, but perfectly legal. < 1389575877 816247 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389575944 46193 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389575947 116446 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389575949 465805 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck of 600 Plains would *also* be tournament legal. (assuming you can shuffle that in the time allotted) < 1389576313 548466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good does the shuffle need to be < 1389576321 688615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indistinguishable from random by any polynomial time turing machine? < 1389576445 752670 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unspecified, but given that tournaments are human-judge-governed, "enough that you don't piss the judge off". < 1389576479 932275 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a plain < 1389576587 86499 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Plains is a Magic card. Its type is Basic Land -- Plains. It has no text. < 1389576649 629928 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty plain < 1389576658 527640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has the intrinsic ability "{T}: Add {W} to your mana pool" < 1389576678 420441 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has the land subtype Plains. < 1389576750 98044 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some versions have a huge {W} symbol in their text box, does that count as text? < 1389576752 444286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain ol' land < 1389576762 922024 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1389576785 396220 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Versions with "{T}: Add {W} to your mana pool" or some variation thereof also have no text. < 1389576830 130961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, whoa, whoa, why not < 1389576850 453557 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the rules say so. < 1389576891 864390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1389576897 390023 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In essence, the card's printed contents say absolutely nothing about what the card's properties are. < 1389576910 636781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory "i'd tap that" < 1389576940 604177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 108.1 < 1389577075 323709 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389577158 998168 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1389577303 831460 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389577410 451885 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389577427 189431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is silly that the rules would say it has no text. < 1389577459 601390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think other rules of Magic: the Gathering also are no good or are too klugy or other reasons. < 1389577512 770271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a list < 1389577528 607844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I did actually write down a list, unfortunately. < 1389577536 763317 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not it's pretty trivial to make one. < 1389577545 398560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also think "Planeswalker" is a bad name for a card type. < 1389577549 893425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that is true. < 1389577587 557478 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MTG rules are really *blatantly* a kludge. < 1389577675 698145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a lot, and I have a lot of idea to fix. I also hate that they removed mana burn; it is a very strategical importance. But a good thing they fixed is chaing the name of "remove from game" zone to "exile" zone; now is more sensible that part, at least. < 1389577697 783012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since, such zone are really still part of the game.) < 1389577713 591109 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to play rummy. < 1389577721 630534 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those cards have no text and everyone likes it that way! < 1389577740 674128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: OK, then play rummy. There is several different kind of rummy game, too. < 1389577751 463730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i play rummy with Magic cards < 1389577770 94418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know. Possibly you can figure out a way. < 1389577776 93711 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least things don't gain Substance anymore. < 1389577786 584344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can play rummy with Yomi cards though. < 1389577815 644660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you allowed to tap artifacts if they don't have an activated ability that costs {T} < 1389577829 608286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Only if something says so, I think. < 1389577835 413077 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not unless something lets you, no. < 1389577945 269913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's with Howling Mine () < 1389577970 150763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just written that way in case something else can cause it to be tapped? < 1389577989 77039 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't yomi the samurai's arrows in nethack < 1389578008 583875 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is written that way explicitly so it doesn't function if something causes it to be tapped. < 1389578029 609346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That isn't what I meant. < 1389578062 170925 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ah*. It's really old in part. Way back when, continuous artifacts didn't work when they became tapped for whatever reason. < 1389578073 346964 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wording is to preserve that functionality. < 1389578088 769395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Howling Mine could be good to cause opponents running out of cards more fastly, I suppose, if you have ways to replenish your draw pile from your discard pile or something like that. < 1389578108 699551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are cards that cause artifacts to become tapped, FWIW. < 1389578115 20876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389578118 428663 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's even some that let you tap another artifact as a cost. < 1389578122 772527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389578138 643949 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ultimately, it's a matter of that being one heck of an old card. < 1389578206 637511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when something says you may return it from your graveyard to the battlefield, does that mean that it has to have been in the battlefield in the past? < 1389578216 811059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you discard it from your hand, you can't use that ability? < 1389578224 187614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No it doesn't mean it has to be. < 1389578242 828336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it tries to put back a Instant or Sorcery it just remains where it is, I think. < 1389578324 802 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :meconium < 1389578329 787578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something gets a bunch of jams and then goes to your graveyard, scavenge will just use the printed power on it, right? < 1389578342 734628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :printer jams? < 1389578353 323407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1/+1 jams < 1389578373 831997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other kinds i suppose < 1389578405 957734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick out the jams < 1389578595 323673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the rule that auras that are also creatures are discarded, and the rule that -1/-1 and +1/+1 counters are removed each other, and that losing due to unable to drawing a card is a state based effect rather than being immediate. < 1389578775 179482 :meconium!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1389579238 464261 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT : < 1389579273 462058 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389579283 901917 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389579443 400266 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey MTGO finished installing < 1389579450 686522 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, downloading < 1389579547 374394 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wizards of the Coast allows collectors who have assembled a full set of digital cards to exchange them for a factory set of printed cards for a $25 shipping and handling fee. Regular cards and foils cannot be mixed. Each set is eligible for a period of up to 4 years after the online release. This program was initially created in order to allay doubt and uncertainty over the investment into virtual cards" < 1389579550 909550 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....investment? < 1389579577 747649 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the purpose of buying the virtual cards was to have fun, not to invest < 1389579596 138324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you want somebody to spend unreasonably much money on something useless, you call it an "investment" < 1389579611 502820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's marketing 101 sgeo < 1389579644 44804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the only reason people can afford Magic cards at all in formats like Legacy is that they can sell them again afterwards and make back most of the money < 1389579664 103427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any viable Legacy deck costs like $2000 < 1389579751 792349 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: To be fair-ish, the cost on Legacy-viable Magic cards is rather stable. < 1389579770 507593 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buuut yeah. < 1389579781 506981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not always, new releases can blow things up < 1389579787 931651 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far better phrased as "pile of cash donated to my hobby" < 1389579791 700156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the debacle with True-Name Nemesis recently < 1389579831 447332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's massively in demand for Legacy, and only available in one of five theme decks that Wizards keeps producing in equal quantities and insisting that shops buy an equal number of each < 1389579839 900329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to the other four ending up stuck on shelves < 1389579851 790396 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTGO isn't going to be too expensive for me to play casually, is it? < 1389579896 899222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how many cards you want < 1389579914 277098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works is, you buy tix for $1 each, tix enter you into tournaments, where you can win boosters as prizes < 1389579928 330003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smallest tournaments are two-man tournaments, it's 2 tix for each player to enter < 1389579931 259082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the winner gets 1 booster < 1389579936 563440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you also get to keep drafted cards in MTGO or not? < 1389579939 400765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's $4 on average for 15 cards, if you have a 50% win rate < 1389579949 380586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are two sorts of MTGO drafts, some where you keep them, some where you don't < 1389579980 310697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you enter a tournament where you get to keep them, you have to supply 3 boosters to enter, or else like 12 tix if you don't have the boosters (that's $12) < 1389579988 450187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one draft is going to cost you like $15 < 1389580019 527761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are bots that sell boosters from recent sets for like 3 and a half tix each, though < 1389580025 451634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the exact price varies continuously) < 1389580053 299765 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just buy decks to play against randoms and friends? < 1389580066 997416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1389580134 264581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that you can predict which cards will be in a booster box by opening a few of the packs < 1389580137 254655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true < 1389580139 237562 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/digital/magiconline/img_grapeshot.png < 1389580145 433751 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each copy itself doesn't storm, does it? < 1389580160 62812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Storm is a trigger that triggers on casting < 1389580162 193897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the copies aren't cast < 1389580162 380098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're talking about the online thing anyway. ok < 1389580166 339145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're copied while they're on the stack < 1389580196 822628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that would be a trivial infinite loop if they did < 1389580224 97316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the person in charge of Magic design is insisting they're never going to do Storm again because it's been a complete balance nightmare every time they've tried < 1389580322 191878 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: should I install wide beta or the current version? < 1389580350 943988 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also sounds like a UI nightmare, but are there other mechanics that are also UI nightmares? < 1389580351 581397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they're compatible; Wizards wants everyone to use the beta but nobody does < 1389580361 821894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why < 1389580370 392419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they claim the beta's better, at least < 1389580377 151536 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost downloaded beta by accident because it defaulted to it < 1389580388 573789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389580390 181985 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to wait until it's stable, but then, I used Gmail while it was in beta < 1389580395 599285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololololol < 1389580405 870489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Haunt's probably the biggest UI nightmare, it's a UI nightmare even in real-life play < 1389580569 653029 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently MTGO doesn't work in WINE? ais523, how do you use it (assuming you do, rather than knowing everything about a game you don't play) < 1389580586 791323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't use it < 1389580594 2993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing everything about games I don't play is one of my hobbies < 1389580605 794669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I follow MTGO beta development, and used to watch streams of it a bunch < 1389580608 994834 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389580619 258052 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :streams of development or gameplay? < 1389580636 48953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gameplay < 1389580642 599251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody streams the beta, that's how I know it's unpopular < 1389580656 823754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the development isn't streamed, development rarely is < 1389580674 407076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote knowing everything about games I don't play is one of my hobbies < 1389580677 979666 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1159) knowing everything about games I don't play is one of my hobbies < 1389580692 560792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: seriously, it takes up like half my leisure time that isn't programming < 1389580719 628328 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind ofdo the same with programming languages :/ < 1389580726 919451 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And games, except for the 'everything' bit < 1389580893 565397 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the limitations of using macros to add continuations to languages that don't have them might mirror Haskell's continuation stuff only being available to functions that support it by producing a Cont whatever < 1389580923 82995 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm < 1389580983 23068 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`runCont` id) $ shift (\k -> fmap map k (map return [1,2,3])) < 1389580984 67726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `GHC.Types.Int < 1389580984 252086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ([m0 a1] -> a0 -> b0) -> [a0] -> [b0]' < 1389580984 252256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.ContT < 1389580984 252438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : r0 Data.Functor.Identity.Identity r0' < 1389580984 252536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.Cont r0 r0 < 1389580993 887693 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... should think about things more thoroughly < 1389581003 613067 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`runCont` id) $ shift (\k -> fmap map k <*> (map return [1,2,3])) < 1389581004 491330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `GHC.Types.Int -> [a0 -> b0] -> [[b0]]' < 1389581004 675825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.ContT < 1389581004 675980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : r0 Data.Functor.Identity.Identity r0' < 1389581004 676080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.Cont r0 r0 < 1389581004 676167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: GHC.Types.Int -> [a0 -> b0] -> [[b0]] < 1389581013 298289 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't count as thorough thinking < 1389581167 153281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Magic Online want admin on my computer? < 1389581284 729494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's badly programmed < 1389581292 217546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a tendency to crash, including during tournaments < 1389581426 333459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are also other reasons I wouldn't want to use such software. < 1389581472 667977 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the beta version any better about not crashing? < 1389581493 604858 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O LispWorks is expensive < 1389581493 954804 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lispworks.com/buy/prices-1c.html < 1389581500 388174 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the other popular commerical CL? < 1389581540 626227 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allegro I think < 1389581572 718229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think the most infamous crashes are on the server end, so it doesn't matter what client you use for that < 1389581831 28306 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389582104 949149 :APott!6c5c4cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.92.76.252 QUIT :Client Quit < 1389582291 824472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log `olist 937 < 1389582323 41696 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389582324 478861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log `olist 937 < 1389582334 411648 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-01-13.txt:03:05:24: `log `olist 937 < 1389582340 998913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical < 1389582350 786013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log > `olist 937 < 1389582356 412536 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014-01-13.txt:03:05:50: `log > `olist 937 < 1389582365 486370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…wait, that's possible? < 1389582379 144955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [^] ]> `olist 937 < 1389582385 765550 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1389582389 690422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 937 < 1389582391 287005 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 937: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1389582392 704577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is triumphant
< 1389582532 635192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :triumphant yet failed < 1389582549 151468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HackEgo was down when the actual `olist was attempted < 1389582565 892437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't you mean glogbot? < 1389582572 2162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or were they both down? < 1389582573 978824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both < 1389582576 517082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389582582 117199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case the pings never happened the first time < 1389582612 448310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't blame me for unwanted pings < 1389582650 383563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i did it second time just because it didn't ping. _but_ i used `run olist instead of `olist because i included a comment that i knew it had already been done. < 1389582665 650566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the third time i've been notified about this comic < 1389582685 427289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i guess i just found another argument for you for why i shouldn't use `run olist < 1389582697 529526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's like you actively want to be mispinged < 1389582716 134070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1389582757 424924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What other argument? If it has already been done and you want to add a comment that is the reason to use `run which is already known. < 1389582790 380430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean for reading the log? < 1389582801 11194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i didn't think that someone (ais523) might want to check if `olist had already been used _without_ being on the list himself < 1389582817 192001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in that case, isn't glogbackup for? < 1389582832 944041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I checked by asking HackEgo if anyone had said `olist < 1389582844 527701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it said no, because it wasn't around the first time, and the second time it wasn't spelled `olist < 1389582859 351405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Gregor has never made glogbackup merge in its logs properly. you may help nagging him if you want. < 1389582862 402911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, OK, then. < 1389582877 600951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes he really should fix it please. < 1389582916 568548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wow that's a confusing sentence < 1389582935 567341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made a request to someone, in the third person, while pinging someone else, then added "pleae" < 1389582938 416294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"please" < 1389582972 127420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is in case you can contact them too. (I already did sent a message) < 1389583325 846524 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389583720 846692 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say I have a .tar.xz archive. Is there some way I can add to it without having to decompress it all and recompress it? < 1389583736 119132 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something with similar compression that supports incremental addition? < 1389583849 89507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about xz, or tar, but you can concatenate gzip files and it's equivalent to gzipping the concatenation of the decompressed files, except bigger < 1389583852 952338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but not easily. < 1389583864 648547 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz has the same property. < 1389583879 826108 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick is adding to a tar. I don't know if there's any real way to do that nicely. < 1389583886 307358 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was hoping for it to be able to reconstruct its compressor state and let me pretend I just added shit onto the end of the stream < 1389583910 901485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I want is something like tar but which builds a compression-compatible index, so I can do random access < 1389583916 920696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should use squashfs as my archive format < 1389583938 126476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be handy to mount archives < 1389583946 509595 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of annoyingly large json files that share a lot of structure and they compress beautifully < 1389583953 294183 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to compress them all at once < 1389583962 200082 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xz achieves ridiculous ratios on them :( < 1389583970 849631 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, is the concatenation of two tarballs a valid tarball? < 1389584004 734727 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem "not really". < 1389584041 689801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you could stuff each one into a JSON object like {'filename': 'foo.json', 'data': ...} and then your archive format is just "sequence of json values" and you can concat .xz files < 1389584071 615405 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but concatting them doesn't get me the same benefit :/ < 1389584078 499874 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yep, tar does have an EOF marker in it, which is why it doesn't work. < 1389584081 454066 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I have enough of them, the marginal growth of adding another json file is tiny < 1389584091 910646 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas compressing them individually grows much faster < 1389584094 86920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Presumably that is so that it works if loaded on a tape? < 1389584099 635651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see, you want to compress it wrt the existing structure < 1389584102 670101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can concat .ttyrec < 1389584103 930078 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389584111 879382 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems rather unlikely to be a common use case < 1389584116 342512 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd make me very happy < 1389584120 909320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't a compression format, it's a video codec < 1389584209 394629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also make the archive format just, have a null-terminated filename followed by the 32-bit length and then data of that file. Now it can easily be concatenated. < 1389584330 192653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but if the data is already JSON then might as well use JSON for the container as well < 1389584423 679660 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :for scale, I have about 20k json files using up close to 6gb < 1389584430 465814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, if the data is already JSON, then that can work < 1389584457 790576 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they compress to about 80MB < 1389584475 670478 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :horribly redundant structure, even apart from the json noise < 1389584484 750851 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :(format isn't under my control unfortunately) < 1389584656 74699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a small number of files compressed together then you can afford to recompress them all whenever you add one... and occasionally when that gets big enough you recompress it together with the next bigger chunk of files... and so forth < 1389584704 274780 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nice. Amortising the compressor cost. < 1389584746 30461 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389584752 438107 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1389584800 637522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk gave a talk at mozilla sf which was about some data structure which used a list of arrays whose sizes followed counting in skew binary < 1389584806 798698 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389584821 556647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you never have a cascade of carries, which here would correspond to recompressing a whole lot of data at once < 1389584822 11683 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem in this case is that at some point merging large ones will get impossibly large < 1389584837 851684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can stop at some point < 1389584842 663285 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, yeah < 1389584860 845699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can afford to store 80MB per 20k files, then don't bother compressing chunks bigger than 20k < 1389584875 41761 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389584885 672029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that something which can resume the compressor state would be more elegant, though < 1389584896 666103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know of anything like that < 1389584920 446012 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no real reason it can't be done, but yeah. < 1389584930 214006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you can write or hack up a compressor implementation to serialize its state at the end of the output < 1389584973 85166 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least in gzip, and presumably also in xz, the compressor state up to a point can be entirely derived from the compressed output up to that point) < 1389584980 516109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, neat < 1389584985 450169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> afk
< 1389585055 699160 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compressor may have looked ahead further, but when it's outputting the compressed text it's already output everything that depends on future text in the stream (namely, symbol frequencies for the Huffman table) < 1389585105 958763 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the symbol frequencies and window are just about all of the compression state. < 1389585214 646521 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: remind me tomorrow to help with Dylan < 1389585226 257438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1389585392 606457 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I want to help financially if possible < 1389585716 838738 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of annoyed that opendylan.org's https certificate is expired, want to fix tthat < 1389585872 250247 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, I was hoping that already existed somewhere < 1389586174 187686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo 19:53 shachaf: remind me tomorrow to help with Dylan < 1389586174 409092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1389586536 106051 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1389586589 461349 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1389586600 385792 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389586612 339758 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1389586637 602201 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1389588096 531708 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389588130 418995 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389588423 318854 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389590418 24041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x $ y ? z < 1389590419 12758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `?' < 1389590429 924321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x $ y & z < 1389590430 886288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `b0 -> t0' < 1389590431 73691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr'Couldn't match e... < 1389590431 73824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1389590446 859894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x y z -> x $ y & z < 1389590447 669655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> t) -> a -> (a -> b) -> t < 1389590718 687451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f $ x & g < 1389590719 893129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr b0) < 1389590720 77917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for `e_1' < 1389590720 78075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr (b -> t), < 1389590720 78162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr b) < 1389590720 78253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type for `e_1': < 1389590747 580970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f $ x & g :: Expr < 1389590748 560487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.FromExpr b0) < 1389590748 748446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `Debug.SimpleReflect.Vars.g' < 1389590748 748580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `b0' is ambiguous < 1389590748 748669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1389590748 748759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1389590751 63918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f::Expr->Expr) $ (x::Expr) & (g::Expr->Expr) :: Expr < 1389590752 162247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (g x) < 1389590761 234347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so simple!! < 1389590867 624742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was really just checking if $ and & had the right fixities to be combined like that. < 1389590898 96646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was editing a stackoverflow answer
< 1389590994 363531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21084178/using-lens-in-haskell-to-modify-values < 1389591047 770394 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1389591049 733167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even give the simple answer :'( < 1389591056 787147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: seen tel < 1389591056 970757 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex PRIVMSG #esoteric : tel was last seen on #haskell 25 days, 8 hours, 15 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: I'd like to annotate the expression with cofree, but both Bound and cofree want to use the same variable to recurse on < 1389591063 840326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1389591079 576678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my edit was adding the simple answer, i hope < 1389591099 464530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't been approved yet, though < 1389591109 469834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your edits need to be approved? < 1389591128 551603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i approve edits or do you need more superpowers for that < 1389591174 580349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i can review suggested edits but only random ones from who knows where < 1389591181 809786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i believe i need 2000 rep to get autoapproved, only have 480 yet < 1389591260 312508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a big jump today though < 1389591274 957094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gameify quickly giving wrong answers to programming questions < 1389591333 548581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the first time i try to edit someone else's answer, anyway < 1389591355 193281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoa, just like irc < 1389591391 384370 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf++ < 1389591518 459918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i get it < 1389591532 316035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't get Nu Maybe :'( what am i missing < 1389591541 552916 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's to get? < 1389591549 240481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you need to get something fixed < 1389591555 542694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is my code so ugly < 1389591575 387280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for addition and multiplication and all that < 1389591615 380510 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see multiplication being a huge pain to define in a total language < 1389591662 898110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "correct" multiplication anyway < 1389591675 885223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 0 * infty or infty * 0, both 0? < 1389591687 859148 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not even be possible! < 1389591697 785420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what's not possible < 1389591712 297408 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could write that < 1389591724 9333 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the choices are all pretty arbitrary though < 1389591732 814254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary things are the worst < 1389591760 259968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389592137 756024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src on < 1389592137 977055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) `on` f = \x y -> f x * f y < 1389592193 582754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot that you can use infix operators as formal parameters < 1389592196 217249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the fuckin' best < 1389592261 151847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my question is, how do i quote that in a stackoverflow comment. < 1389592308 884611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`` is used to start and end code fragments in SO.) < 1389592399 965869 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the development isn't streamed, development rarely is" i've seen a lot of development streams? or, well, more like this is what we did this week. i guess they rarely stream the actual WHY IS THIS TURTLE SWIMMING BACKWARDS ARRRGH CORN, CORN EVERYWHERE. < 1389592433 976565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 0 * infty = 0 is standard in measure theory. < 1389592493 332021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've seen oklopol break quite that much before. < 1389592622 904090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok apparently you can use `` around code which contains ` < 1389592637 871842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`` ... ``, i mean) < 1389592673 751829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i don't think `` is used in haskell. < 1389592681 191363 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes but that's how bad my code breaks. < 1389592692 553417 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :"``" < 1389592721 208430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauke: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1389592728 195804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes that won't show up
< 1389592768 189119 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) `on` f = \x y -> f x * f y -- you can use `` around an identifier to infixify it < 1389592776 588937 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with more real < 1389592839 827850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{- "-}" " -} < 1389592858 48088 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why nested comments aren't < 1389592877 805083 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haskell's aren't nested, ocaml's aren't comments) < 1389593064 584531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops my edit was rejected < 1389593107 608367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:1 against < 1389593132 636172 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/7nsdf1g.gif < 1389593227 989071 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389593283 358048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does measure theory work < 1389593358 208563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a comment instead. < 1389593392 907152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never measured a theory i didn't like < 1389593414 398139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about measure theory < 1389593438 959867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZZ < 1389593461 36006 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it doesn't! it's not very constructive < 1389593467 829152 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically means it's all bullshit < 1389593476 125848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: things don't gotta be constructive, all right?? < 1389593492 103916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my criticism < 1389593494 173959 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬ < 1389593502 809532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, maybe some topological thing has an answer to what it should be like? < 1389593505 198619 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructive criticism is overrated < 1389593589 140400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the topology thing for infinity manages to behave similarly to the conatural infinity < 1389593605 683983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: how do you do topology constructively, anyway < 1389593660 986033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin constructivists < 1389593684 10762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical criticism < 1389593694 571057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your painting doesn't not suck" < 1389593739 284260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructive criticism is related to classical criticism in a similar way to how constructive logic is related to classical logic < 1389593750 203589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are constructive you tell someone how to improve a thing < 1389593762 396035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you're just saying an improvement exists < 1389593850 289816 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you suck" < 1389593918 627393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i say you suck so bad that no one (even your mother) can improve you. < 1389593931 849567 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i guess it's not even classical < 1389593961 676677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "improve" in the sense of "there exists something better" < 1389593982 931966 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1389593988 53291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ain't the top of the lattice, kid < 1389594005 36404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: is #haskell actually much worse on average than a few years ago or am i just more irritable < 1389594013 752453 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389594026 936520 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, my attention has dwindled in the past couple of years < 1389594044 829458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd need specifics on what's bad, but nothing strikes me as particularly terrible < 1389594052 346513 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for you and kmc constantly complaining about it :) < 1389594062 34093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389594083 951015 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really barely read it anymore < 1389594088 608512 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's quite possible it's abysmal < 1389594099 255362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I just happen to not notice < 1389594117 514772 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say it's worse than other major channels? < 1389594123 337616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1389594136 913345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :major as in lots of people? < 1389594147 363179 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389594157 868098 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels a bit like it's diluted with time < 1389594171 691919 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the regulars I remember are gone < 1389594179 601259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only complain intermittently < 1389594209 203960 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say it's worse than other major channels? I'm genuinely curious to see a solid argument presenting what's bad about it < 1389594209 448957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1389594226 148403 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't know how to fix it < 1389594233 364588 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't demand that criticism be "constructive" :P < 1389594255 28928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bullshit definition of "constructive criticism", anyway < 1389594258 514514 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389594290 753110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably better than a lot of major channels, but that's no excuse < 1389594309 954204 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not < 1389594325 264288 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just trying to quantify how bad you see it < 1389594358 801169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've been in large channels with much bigger problems < 1389594375 787653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problems in #haskell are a lot more subtle and that's what makes them (somewhat) interesting to talk about < 1389594382 112824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I don't want to say very much about it right now < 1389594383 211055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'll just stop complaining and it'll be just as good < 1389594394 605243 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fair enough, but at some point I'd still like to see it < 1389594444 550271 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, if you can go into what you think is wrong I think that'd be helpful < 1389594450 36434 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily now either < 1389594453 790911 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm tired too :P < 1389594504 347730 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems a shame for you to sweep your issues with it under the rug, but also a shame to try to deal with them without getting others to agree that they're issues in the first place < 1389594532 487559 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1389594535 833488 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired to be coherent < 1389594538 572478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal with them how? < 1389594548 986919 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! you comment on it a lot < 1389594553 340093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly what i do is leave the channel for a while, or recently use /ignore < 1389594566 456656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my /ignore list has 59 entries now, it's great :( < 1389594585 596836 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem optimal, assuming your long-term desire is to help it and/or improve it and/or be a part of it in some way or another < 1389594659 336355 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I dunno < 1389594675 61325 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :need moar time :P < 1389595445 207380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: anyway, even addition is awkward < 1389595453 168564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i bet i'm missing something < 1389596138 90647 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389596157 132047 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389596293 911542 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389596469 311041 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf Should I spam you so you have an excuse to make it an even sixty? < 1389596492 978484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't /ignore that many people in here. < 1389596513 944356 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could spam you in PM < 1389596529 809426 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ascii art of feet < 1389596533 841190 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy! Watch! < 1389596546 826745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :peapodamus: Please don't. < 1389596554 52178 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389596635 885396 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389596898 726129 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can spam me < 1389596906 180430 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like spam < 1389596916 31474 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me feel important < 1389597036 920194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, am i on your ignore list < 1389597165 159344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the answer is "yes", how will you ever know < 1389597168 664273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no < 1389597183 447446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do people on your ignore list ever use bots to harass you i.e. @tell shachaf < 1389597198 942446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it < 1389597205 210215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an assembler which allows a code section for a postprocessor, which is written in the same machine code that the rest of the program is; an emulator is included. The postprocessor code shares all symbol names with the main code, and uses the same macros, etc. Do you know of any other programs that have such a feature like this? < 1389597208 28125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i take people off the list, too < 1389597233 571685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that they're terrible people or anything < 1389597269 823902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes i look at logs < 1389597280 225894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a postprocessor do < 1389597283 257964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't be talking about this so much, anyway < 1389597311 733508 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389597320 810465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It can modify the binary before writing it out to the file; it can also specify the format of the output file, and a few other things. < 1389597474 918001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find this feature useful, whether or not other people do. < 1389597573 731122 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389597616 87712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use it for? < 1389597712 227961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this program I am working on now, the postprocessor fills in an identity table, fills in unused entries in a jump table (the used entries are created using macros), creates all the necessary tile variants in the pattern tables, and adds loop addresses to the music data. < 1389597758 192165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In another program I have used it to output a custom header. Another purpose is compile-time debugging. < 1389598059 944007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1389598377 383548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile-time debugging? how does that work? < 1389598473 563667 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't get people who say this sucks because 'all it does' is give you mana... By that reasoning Basic Lands suck, good luck making a full 0 CMC deck that doesn't suck." < 1389598486 188580 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck that uses no mana? That seems interesting < 1389598657 586932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Manaless Dredge is sometimes seen in Legacy < 1389598663 283380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs no mana, and in fact can't generate any < 1389598675 971110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty much the only thing that interacts with it is graveyard hate < 1389598684 453204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only deck that people choose to play second against < 1389598700 558037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it literally can't do anything until it starts its engine going via discarding to maximum hand size < 1389598740 820719 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/deck/760 this? it looks like it can generate mana, and has a lot of mana-using cards < 1389598772 375735 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep < 1389598922 693053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, that < 1389598929 44122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dakmor Salvage is never actually /played/ < 1389598935 482580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just there to be dredged < 1389598965 503333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only cards that are actually cast are Cabal Therapy and Dread Return, using the flashback costs < 1389598980 453812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could play Cabal Therapy from Dakmor Salvage if you were desperate, and target yourself < 1389599088 761644 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389599105 297618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the cards in that deck are played for from-graveyard effects < 1389599315 337533 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Play cards as written. Ignore all errata." < 1389599340 646998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens to interrupts? < 1389599351 967745 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or.... anything where there's been a terminology or rule change? < 1389599354 662354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's considered a game rule change, so they work like instants < 1389599359 667433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/22324_Deck_Tech_NotQuiteManaless_Dredge_With_Nicholas_Rausch.html is an explanation of that deck < 1389599366 727732 :tromp!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389599370 425760 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5/5 for turning Lotus Vale into Black Lotus" < 1389599371 538514 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1389599401 685070 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only magic thing i care about is that combo where you make the other player rip up all their cards < 1389599415 198679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1389599435 668951 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's a card where you have to tear up that card to use it < 1389599445 478202 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's in one of the joke decks < 1389599455 844591 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you combine that with a duplicatey thing and a target switchy thing or suchlike < 1389599468 431720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it doesn't actually work < 1389599473 755341 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't actually work < 1389599479 166354 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: does anyone have an idea why a half life mod won't work on linux even though half life does < 1389599522 178349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Perhaps you have to tap it first. < 1389599528 860175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Compile-time debugging works by such thing as having a register $200A which is for standard I/O, so you can print diagnostic messages; the postprocessor can even copy the program it is compiling into its own RAM and execute it at compile-time (although the I/O registers and memory map are different, so it might not work) < 1389599582 459173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there is decks that don't generate any mana < 1389599599 760802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if retrocomputing is a thing, is retrofuturecomputing also a thing, and is it what zzo38 does < 1389599628 393342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Retrofuturecomputing"? Is that a word? What exactly does it mean anyways? < 1389599666 374089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe retrofuture computing would be Plan 9 and Haiku OS < 1389599691 535866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bliip bloop < 1389599706 437229 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes future sounds
< 1389599708 510724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you make up any of your own Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1389599724 948469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1389599731 11527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made some card games i guess, but never mtg < 1389599742 252164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What card games? < 1389599762 101364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389599766 444555 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i don't know, crappy ones < 1389599798 421658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mtgdeckbuilder.net/Cards/Details/UNG/69 + ignoring errata < 1389599823 59208 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually made one as a christmas present, but the rules of the game are stolen from another game (there was enough work making the actual cards) < 1389599849 840776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by making i mean writing a short program to output pdfs and sending them to a paper company for printing) < 1389599861 242202 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so actually there was very little work) < 1389599897 160139 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine made a pretty nice card game, called something retarded like dork and doomed, don't recall < 1389599929 890145 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat similar to whatsitcalled i guess < 1389599936 262747 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsitcalled = munchkin < 1389599980 94358 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389600003 462573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't use "retarded" as a pejorative < 1389600031 694185 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good thinking < 1389600050 690843 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1389600061 24189 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i not use gay either? < 1389600065 961180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1389600073 840602 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1389600092 720471 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it involves any engine modification, it's pretty much just an add on scenario. maybe half life can't deal with that w/o engine modification < 1389600145 918503 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that was voiced, and a pejorative, by the way) < 1389600159 673840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voiced? < 1389600234 426860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, voiced and not aspirated < 1389600238 661088 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a gay joke < 1389600244 576303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy < 1389600246 372564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389600319 165314 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do somewhat agree with you, but i believe that's only because i do not belong to a group that has an adjective like that, and it's racist to make life decisions based on your own race < 1389600372 703953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1389600385 226949 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :race in a very general sense < 1389600386 926786 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think he's attempting the chewbacca defense? < 1389600404 750179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this gonna turn into one of those "i don't even see race" conversations i.e. "if I ignore injustice it will magically go away" < 1389600425 944770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "racist" to look at your own privilege and how you might fit into interlocking systems of oppression, on either end < 1389600448 776667 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny to say that it is though < 1389600454 47759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1389600465 73642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's funny to you because it upsets other people? < 1389600468 356169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we have a word for that behavior < 1389600471 305790 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1389600476 820103 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389600480 211932 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1389600482 786344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling < 1389600499 261473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1389600521 200594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you have a right to deliberately use language that upsets others, we also have a right to exclude you from our community if you do so < 1389600536 630564 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389600592 667834 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is stupid okay? < 1389600608 279660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it insult stupid people? < 1389600628 846138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is idiotic okay already? < 1389600661 580557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably wouldn't call you out on those < 1389600685 540595 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1389600695 342669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not some expert or some perfect example, the way I talk is still full of ableist language too, it's fucking pervasive < 1389600748 259420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think avoiding "retarded" is now like a pretty mainstream position, not just a thing of touchy internet social justice people like myself < 1389600783 648468 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, i still use it < 1389600824 355786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it takes some effort nowadays, and perhaps i will have to learn something else some day < 1389600851 436024 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad do you consider "gay"? < 1389600863 579330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a pejorative? completely unacceptable < 1389600871 969659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you even think that's okay... < 1389600899 125565 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's usually used pretty sarcastically < 1389600941 265832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really buy that < 1389600944 975482 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in english at lesat < 1389600946 420491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*least < 1389600963 879873 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1389600990 271215 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i just feel that the finnish "gay" is worse because i've had the native experience with it < 1389601019 185553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and okay, i completely buy that < 1389601054 535978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up some Magic: the Gathering cards, and also Yomi cards, Puzzle Strike cards, Pokemon cards, etc. I like the game of Pokemon card. It would be strange for "lose priority" to be a cost in a Magic: the Gathering, isn't it? < 1389601057 915833 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sarcastically'? < 1389601090 213865 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a kid could say that something is gay < 1389601090 517751 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thing are different outside of american high school < 1389601100 478606 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean calling a human gay < 1389601116 587092 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because wouldn't you call them a fag if you wanted to insult them < 1389601127 671944 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're talking like 'man you're cheating! that's so gay!' i don't see how that's sarcastic < 1389601130 345967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but they're saying it's gay as a way of saying it's bad, implying gay = bad, do I really need to spell this out for fuck's sake < 1389601148 443615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1389601214 33769 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't really agree with the (i guess mainstream nowadays on the internet) opinion that that somehow influences how you actually feel about gays < 1389601252 502133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because you don't understand the influence doesn't mean it's there < 1389601262 299851 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's an opposite influence < 1389601308 901748 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i gotta go learn to drive a car < 1389601314 286527 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek. < 1389601330 524761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's not just about *your* opinion of gay people, what about the gay kid who hears people on xbox live using "gay" as an insult constantly < 1389601333 878463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it improper to call "gay" in the way it often is. Sometimes homosexual people are called "gay", but apparently, it was originally due to male actors who were acting female characters in the play, so it could be used in that restricted sense. < 1389601365 837595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like that'd have some effect on making their life more painful < 1389601374 152234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're defending your decision to make their life more painful... why, exactly? < 1389601377 188156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it so worth it to you? < 1389601396 702169 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"making gay people feel awful and uncomfortable? but what about my straight feelings?" < 1389601410 728695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, i wouldn't say it to someone who might take it that way? < 1389601417 692513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do you know? < 1389601419 3071 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like i wouldn't show my dick to a kid < 1389601432 221914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by checking they're over 18 < 1389601437 338757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how do you know I'm not a closeted gay kid who's terrified to come out to his parents? < 1389601440 629073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anyone else in this channel < 1389601462 978668 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used gay as an insult here, have i? < 1389601472 508116 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you particularly sure that nobody in this channel is gay and being made rather uncomfortable by your attempted justifications of homophobia? < 1389601473 193714 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i probably have, but not lately.) < 1389601473 378013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but you're defending the practice of doing so < 1389601487 506589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not defending using it here! < 1389601489 8338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389601493 616779 :impomatic!~digital_w@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric < 1389601496 113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, see you < 1389601507 122271 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that made no fucking sense at all < 1389601520 868681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah you should probably leave < 1389601684 859282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to paste some 'grep -i oklopol | grep -i gay' results, but I guess that'd be kinda superfluous. < 1389601707 616887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1389601780 590417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an example of fungot using gay as a pejorative, which is kind of bad. Where'd you learn such language, fungot? < 1389601780 921141 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: o(a constants) o(1)? i < 1389601816 976266 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389601819 927249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now *that's* a Chewbacca defense.) < 1389601902 764078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I completely missed oklopol's further qualifying statement, thanks to being all grep. < 1389602331 909428 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389602469 752095 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389602568 196541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1389602578 745401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Fiora doesn't come back this time < 1389602597 896539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really blame her < 1389602635 784944 :realzies!~pinky@unaffiliated/realazthat JOIN :#esoteric < 1389603453 32146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cursor moving now works in the Attribute Zone editor. < 1389603472 310928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Famicom version, specifically) < 1389603502 955187 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem, oklopol said he wouldn't use her as an insult if she could hear it < 1389603581 235598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i won't use slurs as insults if it would make anyone uncomfortable, I'll just talk about how great it would be if I *could* use them until everyone who *would* be uncomfortable leaves < 1389603585 409612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good guy oklopol < 1389603589 815775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so considerate of other people's feelings < 1389603880 759607 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389605535 428257 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389605797 727577 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1389606061 212637 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1389606085 369324 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389607065 581995 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389607183 202827 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1389607207 202365 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389607207 471360 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389607274 604092 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389607440 31972 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :Client Quit < 1389607750 442216 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a JOIN :#esoteric < 1389610497 814800 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389610552 336865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389611250 440033 :impomatic!~digital_w@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389611373 275487 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1389612285 189408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389612311 789850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389612433 855946 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389612564 857745 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389613982 851219 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389614787 372798 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1389615387 467286 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how did it make no sense? < 1389615650 240871 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one very strong reason for i do not try very hard to be like you guys is that i'm strongly against this kind of ganging up on people < 1389615667 345454 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't exactly want to associate with such people too strongly < 1389615735 466157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you the only group of people who bully other people openly < 1389615756 339919 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you believe you are correct (which of course makes sense because you are) < 1389615876 790271 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-for < 1389616120 795540 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i mean correct in your opinion, not your approach) < 1389617290 74261 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389618034 5670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+are < 1389619843 790969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389621397 978198 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389621403 310506 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389621410 887501 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good tarquin morning! < 1389621417 803852 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loûd < 1389621417 989007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2d 14h 39m 5s ago: good breakfast morning! <-- so much better than the alternatives! < 1389621879 960112 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389622098 159985 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389622531 11829 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389623109 158967 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds < 1389623867 258292 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389624297 894254 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389624465 264001 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lüüd < 1389624465 449132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1389624487 955258 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid non-unicode-understanding bot :( < 1389624626 350539 :nycs!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com NICK :`^_^v < 1389624668 277475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i copypasted that in python and it was 0.99 sure that was EUC-JP < 1389624671 681929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct < 1389624700 28878 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1389624717 239314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ü should be u with diaeresis < 1389624729 511893 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eyes weechat suspiciously
< 1389624752 262052 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is that < 1389624757 767553 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1389624758 19355 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's how it shows on my scree < 1389624758 916318 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1389624773 997475 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure python is drunk < 1389624775 418439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean i called some sort of encoding detection function < 1389624881 975961 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o�d was GB2312 < 1389624910 703369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and >>> chardet.detect("�rp�kl�p�") < 1389624910 900304 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'confidence': 0.99, 'encoding': 'EUC-KR'} < 1389624920 947513 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i have no idea what this function is) < 1389624954 169508 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe its confidence is supposed to be 1 - stated value < 1389625016 75372 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUC-KR? has anyone ever used that one? < 1389625066 789615 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently! < 1389625103 302868 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> chardet.detect("M�kkiomenah�irikk�.") < 1389625103 487835 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'confidence': 0.87625, 'encoding': 'utf-8'} < 1389625106 412966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not! < 1389625159 738236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> chardet.detect("aaaahrg!") < 1389625180 626404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. python. < 1389625213 163671 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sorry just copypaste < 1389625226 640504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a python bot < 1389625249 721955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do it myself, just need to install a package. :) < 1389625268 570732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'confidence': 1.0, 'encoding': 'ascii'} < 1389625296 713061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ... interesting. so 'ascii' means ASCII or anything that properly extends it ... < 1389625307 519198 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> chardet.detect("Supermummo.") < 1389625307 704093 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'confidence': 1.0, 'encoding': 'ascii'} < 1389625390 952546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe confidence is just "i'm this confident that the input fits this encoding" < 1389625400 249732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. ä -> EUC-KR, ö -> TIS-620, ü -> EUC-JP, all with 99% confidence. < 1389625453 742390 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the same < 1389625456 642837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Combining them into a single string gives utf-8 with 87.625% confidence.) < 1389625484 297306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guess is fine, but the 99% is ... well let's say strange. < 1389625672 424477 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is like myndzi. < 1389625682 738641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 87.625% sounds a bit low < 1389625684 184770 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am? < 1389625811 240793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. \o/ < 1389625811 563484 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    | < 1389625811 748553 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   /| < 1389625815 250026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all. < 1389625875 112177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . < 1389625886 756274 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . < 1389625897 78967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . . . < 1389625933 93767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. O.o o_O \o_ O.O _o/ < 1389625933 549318 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                 |         | < 1389625933 734383 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /<         |\ < 1389625957 70202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list of myndzi patterns anywhere? < 1389625960 658730 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you change your nick to something with 6 letters < 1389625981 727133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, but I don't want to. < 1389625981 911755 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because xchat is mean < 1389626028 761112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a myndzi compatible irc client < 1389626552 708787 :susurrus!~root@212095007167.public.telering.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1389626609 278923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. \o/ O O < 1389626609 608845 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69       | < 1389626609 794101 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      /´\ < 1389626725 65362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's configurable so that it doesn't indent lines, IIRC < 1389626727 623429 :susurrus!~root@212095007167.public.telering.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there is an 'indent nicknames' option in the preferences, which you could disable. < 1389626732 431195 :susurrus!~root@212095007167.public.telering.at QUIT :Client Quit < 1389626785 744700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1389626794 720006 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was odd. < 1389626804 695971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome ;-) < 1389626829 514047 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the danger of IRCing as root. < 1389626844 129209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you believed that, too. yay! < 1389627020 82177 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :blerp < 1389627024 816157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh cool. < 1389627402 586790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I feel half bad for not having used a sandbox user :) < 1389627459 92069 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1389627699 155414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONF-32190 *is* cute. < 1389627732 108640 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389627784 623887 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1389627825 982246 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1389628339 996504 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389628361 2057 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389628634 738116 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389628659 445166 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1389628707 738723 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if you think you don't like being "ganged up on" in that three people on the internet are complaining about what insults you use, why don't you consider what it would be like to be so fucking dehumanized by a member of a majority that your minority identity is itself used as an insult < 1389628981 208629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no particular opinion on whether "gay" should be used as an insult, and i'm pretty sure i have never used it as a serious insult (i know you don't care, but to me there's a bit difference) < 1389628996 37051 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/particular/strong/ < 1389629011 261028 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean don't have a strong opinion when others use it < 1389629018 178630 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's none of my business < 1389629019 799067 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't argue you don't have an opinion after you argued about it for twenty minutes < 1389629087 148955 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it not your business? it's dehumanizing and bothers people. do you not have "a strong opinion" on racial slurs either? < 1389629121 499642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's quite what i argued < 1389629143 906713 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said "i don't have a strong opinion when others use it" < 1389629145 633483 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah usually i try to argue for the minority side < 1389629151 38561 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for right now? < 1389629156 318643 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, i don't know? < 1389629168 868674 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1389629173 826225 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally you just love minorities but it's important to you that you can use them as insults < 1389629176 38529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the minority side = people who use them as insults < 1389629178 315621 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here < 1389629182 186997 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you shitting me < 1389629191 187922 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1389629197 274450 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, what the fuck. < 1389629211 567726 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not a fucking oppressed minority because you call things "gay" as an insult. < 1389629216 884627 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you joking? < 1389629244 536291 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that in a conversation, if people are arguing for x, i rarely try to defend x, i try to find arguments for !x instead < 1389629252 638980 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean i'm an oppressed minority < 1389629255 390787 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever design a language, I'm going to include a "feature" whereby all identifiers of the form "{$s}or" are the same as the corresponding "{$s}our" < 1389629258 645429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-says-superrich-are-putupon-minority-like-homeless-people-and-irish-travellers-8946661.html < 1389629271 289384 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's so great you're a fucking robot just arguing for this on the basis i'm arguing against it < 1389629274 70151 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seems relevant somehow) < 1389629299 937952 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't quite see it that way < 1389629333 152868 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't seem to see much in any way, since you keep changing why you're arguing and everything else every time i rephrase it to call you a shithead < 1389629343 700800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you should include -ize and -ise. < 1389629350 711311 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://the-toast.net/2013/10/02/no-more-devils-advocate/ < 1389629411 830878 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: good idea < 1389629437 795632 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't think i've really changed my opinion much, i don't think i really said that i consider "gay" okay < 1389629445 489743 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll up < 1389629447 638550 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for god's sake < 1389629493 230046 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION walks into this argument.
< 1389629495 518079 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is stupid < 1389629497 571115 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: don't < 1389629503 983699 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1389629504 771725 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 PART #esoteric :"Ik ga weg" < 1389629511 88475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i agree that i shouldn't've tried to explain to kmc why it could be okay to call someone "gay" < 1389629522 269344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should've said "i agree, stupid question" < 1389629539 561433 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/gay/homosexual < 1389629539 808712 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i was annoyed at him < 1389629550 8589 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to this entire conversation. < 1389629558 48764 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did he say that was so annoying < 1389629563 2301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrected me < 1389629569 411296 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 'retarded'? < 1389629571 719770 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389629580 699803 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that annoying < 1389629594 950058 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is you being annoyed justification to use these stupid insults and defend their use < 1389629609 70275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand. Being corrected does hurt. (Sigh, isn't this channel supposed to be about esoteric *computer* languages?) < 1389629613 733743 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not annoyed anymore < 1389629619 770121 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great well i am < 1389629639 619936 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns 180 degrees and walks out.
< 1389629640 333135 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was annoyed at first, but yeah i do agree that i should not use that word < 1389629643 65315 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: as if anyone but ais cares about being on topic < 1389629646 504267 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was right < 1389629663 712120 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are infuriatingly slimy < 1389629671 581360 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389629689 658700 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? you basically made me agree with you? < 1389629712 235449 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"retard" "don't do that please" "actually, [defends usage for hours]" "what the fuck" "wait i actually agreed with you the whole time" < 1389629920 669832 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you two are arguing over the usage and etymology of a word or words saddens me. < 1389629925 631201 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make me sad. < 1389629993 122171 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make me sad. :( < 1389630003 70900 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't like him when he's sad < 1389630010 12016 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I cry a lot. < 1389630011 881116 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :words are, on occasion, important. and i'll keep your sadness in mind next time i see an argument about whether python is Really A Functional Language Or Not < 1389630039 248628 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: functional as in it does something or functional as in the paradigm? because I'm debating both. < 1389630040 660037 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389630084 480523 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in programmers are notoriously ridiculously pedantic but when i object to a dehumanizing insult i'm just being weird < 1389630126 357904 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we were pedantic in our everyday speech, our annoyance factor would increase exponentially. < 1389630148 108667 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, *exstensively pedantic. < 1389630150 271933 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: As, indeed, it does. :) < 1389630163 748593 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :words are words. < 1389630171 307111 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, it's really pretty rare that i feel the need to object to somebody's language, since most people are mildly empathetic enough to not curse like fourteen year olds on xbox live < 1389630183 399742 :`^_^v!~nycs@rrcs-24-39-141-128.nyc.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389630188 611359 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I got offended over the use of a word you didn't take offense to.. < 1389630199 461003 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you defend me in the same manner? < 1389630205 911486 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the word < 1389630210 988795 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerds! < 1389630213 578259 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I use some 19th-century example? < 1389630253 32079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lights the pyre.
< 1389630270 505587 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been arguing not to use 'gay' because of its history, just that people are going to feel bad when their identity is used as an insult < 1389630281 262818 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 'lunatic' or whatever silly thing you're thinking of isn't really comparable < 1389630292 408727 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was then. < 1389630296 449250 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't now < 1389630305 908856 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the 21st century if you haven't noticed < 1389630310 862102 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now we're back to etymology.. < 1389630334 532120 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, i'm actually mentally ill, i have some position to judge what is and isn't offensive as far as the euphemism treadmill of insanity goes < 1389630342 988515 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I. < 1389630345 906018 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just stop right now if you would < 1389630366 59792 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the same position to judge as you do. < 1389630370 394379 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1389630406 41223 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are offended, then I am sorry. those who offended you should apologize and be dealt with. < 1389630413 684166 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is courtious. < 1389630432 502951 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually find 'lunatic' offensive than sure i'd stop, but it seems pretty likely that you're just using an irrelevant example for rhetoric to justify calling things gay < 1389630452 37897 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never did I ever justify calling things gay. < 1389630470 462568 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never did I ever justify using retard. < 1389630476 104931 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why are you arguing with me < 1389630510 334477 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pointing out that you and oklopol bitching back and forth about the meaning and usage of a word is counterproductive to solving you being offended. < 1389630519 81601 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it counterproductive < 1389630525 127531 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does nothing to remedy it. < 1389630528 372769 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1389630535 510164 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, it prevents gay people from being insulted < 1389630545 59263 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you gay? < 1389630556 289144 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? no, but my friend fiora is and she was bothered enough to leave < 1389630594 372405 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I think she deserves an apology, as do you. < 1389630599 409263 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that arguing will ever prevent anything. < 1389630614 18963 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I don't think #esoteric is the place for it, unless it's about esolangs) < 1389630626 889110 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountain dew is the best soda ever made. < 1389630629 386180 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs for cover.
< 1389630647 359162 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhmouse: "poltiically correct english" seems esoteric enough ;-) (sorry, could not resist.) < 1389630660 820519 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people :P < 1389630669 280347 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "you people"? :P < 1389630677 480527 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing about anything is pointless, knowledge is impossible, opinions are inbuilt into people and unchangeable < 1389630677 719432 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks.
< 1389630703 962039 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bows to Bike's superior wisdom and shuts up.
< 1389630713 41900 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all is void < 1389630714 850716 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so focus on solving your own notion of offense. < 1389630721 919392 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1389630732 211136 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :means find a way to make you happy when you're offended. :P < 1389630735 27121 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve the situation. < 1389630792 639690 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing is like target practice, only you're not shooting for the bullseye, you're shooting for a mountain that's completely out of the way, and none of your arrows/bullets will ever reach it, and even if they do, you'll never see it. < 1389630802 265737 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have come up with a solution, which is to tell people that they're being offensive, and then about half the time they'll stop because it isn't really a big deal for them, and the other half of the time i'll argue with them for hours and learn that in this situation only argument is impossible and pointless and i'm just being excessively pedantic < 1389630805 230227 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be shooting at the bullseye. < 1389630806 211836 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION admirs the zen of LinearInterpol
< 1389630813 349183 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r/er < 1389630816 809964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just shut up, i already admitted i was wrong (in pm, to Bike, at least). < 1389630828 778713 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bows and sits.
< 1389630831 372744 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try to behave < 1389630848 864825 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been saying years that i'm an asshole and asked why i'm never called out on it < 1389630853 999857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y ) < 1389630854 578404 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i was called out on it < 1389630860 89041 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i will do something about it. < 1389630874 92764 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, about those esolangs. < 1389630892 846805 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry oklopol, argument is pointless, you have to be an asshole since you were born that way < 1389630898 408982 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic imo < 1389630898 593910 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389630923 250162 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck u 2 lol < 1389630930 570896 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the spirit. < 1389630942 91986 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer for everyone! < 1389630947 992494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck. < 1389630989 92451 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ALCOHOLICBEVERAGE for everyone! < 1389631013 231219 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't have alcohol; is there an alcohol-free substitute? < 1389631026 115919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$DRINK < 1389631030 410400 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$PREFERREDBEVERAGE for everyone! < 1389631040 94245 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now we can't go wrong. < 1389631043 744864 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v0.3 < 1389631062 326643 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of $PREFERREDBEVERAGE on the wall, 99 bottles of ${PREFERREDBEVERAGE}... < 1389631068 988478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Isn't it funny how a "drink" tends to be alcoholic...) < 1389631070 323762 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1389631168 509354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :take one down, pass it around, < 1389631193 781215 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 bottles of $PREFERREDBEVERAGE on the wall. < 1389631213 349528 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I recommend to call it $REFRESHINGBEVERAGE instead < 1389631227 29074 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that copyrighted by Coca-Cola? < 1389631251 835000 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, that's "the drink that refreshes" I think... < 1389631252 391291 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$NONCOPYRIGHTEDREFRESHINGBEVERAGE < 1389631263 783096 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$FOSB < 1389631272 90242 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$COSB < 1389631274 933979 :itsy!~john_metc@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1389631278 103573 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :COSB? < 1389631289 381092 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosb. < 1389631296 661121 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cold Open Source Beverages? < 1389631300 182040 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1389631310 618846 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still can't believe those actually exist < 1389631319 253930 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me either. < 1389631329 298902 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :People apparently forgot about recipies. < 1389631332 507376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tap water. < 1389631343 475423 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which classify as Free Open Source Food. < 1389631371 82374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm living in one of those privileged countries where tap water is actually drinkable.) < 1389631371 439764 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can copyright them, people just pirate the shit out of them or use ones old enough to be public domain < 1389631374 456268 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like jazz < 1389631396 556177 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Me too.) < 1389631398 127193 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1389631459 389546 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Me too, technically. I don't recommend it.) < 1389631488 379266 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so far up north that nobody in the U.S cares. < 1389631496 650320 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet we're still classified as a state. < 1389631515 991325 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great water up here. < 1389631743 508072 :impomatic!~digital_w@15.50.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389632009 201847 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so far up North that I'm at Canada. < 1389632258 149290 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, hi boily. < 1389632340 52331 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the weather in your southernorth? < 1389632355 728519 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels like spring. < 1389632729 744625 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389632851 404346 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389633378 294927 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1389633471 860895 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389634831 624123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1389634831 980758 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 131720Z 32007KT CAVOK M13/M16 Q1014 NOSIG < 1389634838 404805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very springy. < 1389634919 922250 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389635045 153661 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KBGR < 1389635045 518343 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KBGR 131653Z 18008KT 10SM FEW200 06/M05 A2999 RMK AO2 PRESFR SLP157 T00611050 < 1389635510 519237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here they keep doing those water quality lab tests, and the tap water keeps beating the commercial bottled options. < 1389635643 200144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though apparently that's just because of chlorination and not sitting in storage for ages &c.) < 1389635882 248631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389636021 292704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dude it's not "bullying" or "ganging up" to politely mention to someone when they have (often unintentionally) hurt someone < 1389636034 403057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people often respond with "oh i'm sorry" and then go on with their fucking lives < 1389636039 858541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are not you, that is < 1389636093 43411 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dives for cover.
< 1389636121 512404 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1389636139 623832 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got an idea for IOCCC. I guess I'll have to try to remember it for half a year < 1389636157 479554 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: write it down! < 1389636161 810225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: the point of "arguing about words" is that words shape the entire fucking world we live in < 1389636177 396341 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for the love of.. we just stopped this man, don't bring it back up. :\ < 1389636177 670569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally disingenuous to say "you're just arguing about words!!!" when we are arguing about how human beings should treat other human beings < 1389636199 433487 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, that's not what I meant.. < 1389636208 883894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and especially, about how human beings in a position of social dominance should treat human beings who are historically oppressed, often to the point of lethal violence < 1389636238 828520 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, all I was trying to say is that arguing is pointless, and that those two should get down to solving the problem of being offended with something akin to an apology. < 1389636252 770523 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION exits this conversation. again. :\
< 1389636265 371074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I agree that arguing with oklopol is pointless < 1389636279 847694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually changed people's minds with discussion in the past, and I've definitely had my mind changed < 1389636288 12827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be a lot worse about this stuff!! < 1389636299 672775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all learn from each other and get better < 1389636325 6399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that by the time "discussion" progresses to "arguing" it's often of negative net value < 1389636334 902922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have things to say, you can say it, but yes it is a good idea to try to learn better, instead. < 1389636339 94206 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being offended essentially means that someone essentially took something from you, and you want something equivalent in return that'll make you happy again. < 1389636351 116821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree with that < 1389636355 381006 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as an apology, or a gift, or something. < 1389636361 611568 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just something to quell the situation. < 1389636383 783563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you are more interested in smoothing things over than in making our community more kind < 1389636395 970396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1389636404 980301 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it makes everyone happy, then that means kindness. < 1389636410 990941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it really doesn't < 1389636417 157086 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drama over IRC sucks. < 1389636418 540439 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION leaves.
< 1389636434 262336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"making everyone happy" usually means making people in a position of power happy and making marginalized people decide to stay quiet < 1389636437 385206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. continuing the status quo < 1389636440 213134 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Hack the planet." < 1389636481 483613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god forbid we should have a channel that's 99.5% straight white men instead of 100% < 1389636583 370659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't matter if the channel is 99.5% or 100% straight white men; it is a completely irrelevant situation! If it ends up being 45% then that should be OK too, but if it ends up being something like 263% or -10% then clearly we have a problem, isn't it? < 1389636593 442189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1389636596 611758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 you are the best < 1389636598 863541 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389636603 42677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb LinearInterpol < 1389636606 341699 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we done? < 1389636611 103497 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands LinearInterpol a zzo38
< 1389636620 418043 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fumbles about with it.
< 1389636643 824648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure ragequit and never came back over that drama < 1389636652 251803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a whole two minutes and thirty-eight seconds < 1389636658 530887 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a long forever, elliott. < 1389636674 202958 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to take a bathroom break, too. god it was boring. < 1389636684 256593 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing is fundamentally irrational and since nobody actually has a serious problem it won't last,, see < 1389636692 123195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know about QUIT, but there was PART. < 1389636694 681069 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bashes his head on his desk.
< 1389636711 851009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: How hard is the wood in your desk? < 1389636722 861027 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard. < 1389636728 462416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinearInterpol: well I'm rapidly running out of fucks to give... if this is the kind of community y'all want to have then who am I to fight it < 1389636738 220976 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, no, I- < 1389636743 93981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard enough to break your head? < 1389636743 278812 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're making assumptions. :( < 1389636749 296806 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: at this rate, yes. < 1389636751 963134 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :assumptions based on what you are literally saying < 1389636763 120939 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs. < 1389636769 496183 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, you wanna do this, let's do this. < 1389636775 490725 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1389636775 739786 NAMES :#esoteric < 1389636778 935944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric +q :*!*@* > 1389636778 957585 NAMES :#esoteric < 1389636780 221605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not < 1389636783 871986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say we did < 1389636785 640421 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: liek omg becky called me a name wtfbbq highschool is hard < 1389636819 373614 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1389636830 114294 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389636924 580704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -q :*!*@* > 1389636924 612754 NAMES :#esoteric < 1389636926 130268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1389636926 152857 NAMES :#esoteric < 1389636965 132510 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks mrhmouse, really feeling welcome here < 1389637030 431003 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" well I agree that arguing with oklopol is pointless" i'm not sure what you guys actually want, i agree that i was wrong, why is that not enough? < 1389637043 496420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow, why does 'hg grep' consider the whole history of files by default ... < 1389637054 286612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nah, i'm done, thanks though < 1389637055 794422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it gets muted like that, post your message on #esoteric#shadow and then it will remain logged too < 1389637067 662174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :iint-e: I don't know. < 1389637081 254580 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a reason for +q *!*@* instead of +m or was it just an arbitrary choice? < 1389637085 990904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell it not to consider the whole history of files? < 1389637202 412703 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1389637291 23837 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, https://github.com/Katee/quietnet doesn't work as well as thought. < 1389637453 292009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I wanted to know too, but now there is work-around regardless which way is done < 1389637496 294525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So hg grep does not do what I expected it to do. Fine. Back to grep -r then.) < 1389637599 683403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I missed your most clear admission that you were wrong, above < 1389637611 184829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for admitting it :) < 1389637770 97907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the use case for such a program, besides exfiltrating data to nearby servers? < 1389637821 433212 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no idea. the novelty is tempting, if only for a few minutes of relaxation between to tickets. < 1389637832 119744 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389637921 109910 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389637983 641408 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389638047 687262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I understand that the NSA has various technologies for bridging air gaps. Sound would be a fairly obvious choice.) < 1389638345 269948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the POC uses PSK31. seems it needs two very close machines, with good quality audio equipment, and a noiseless environment for it to work reliably. < 1389638407 991211 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, bridging the air is very unlikely, unless the NSA uses Secret Mutant Waves with Exceptional Compression. probably something tachyon based. < 1389638439 551226 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never know with the NSA < 1389638566 471428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about that acoustic sidechannel thing? They got p. impressive results out of it, and that was just listening to the sounds of OpenSSL; it sounds rather likely that, with some active help from the server you're listening to, you could get better. (I mean, it doesn't have to be near ultrasound, it can be just some acoustic steganography.) < 1389638659 584874 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: QUIT : < 1389638688 567948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, GnuPG. < 1389638715 659856 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's acoustic classification, with a constricted domain, that has already been proved with very interesting experiments. < 1389638727 370923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/ "plain mobile phone placed next to the computer, or a more sensitive microphone placed 4 meters away" next server at a colo place doesn't sound entirely infeasible. < 1389638766 144364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess those maybe don't come with microphones. < 1389638859 943780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyboard-keys-from-typing-sounds one was funky too. < 1389638908 917588 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one were they went into a medical clinic and gleaned off plenty of private informations :D < 1389638920 124223 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1389638971 307864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one time I could tell from the noise if the CPU is busy; I replaced the power supply now though. < 1389639004 107589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With proper soundproofing/filters can you avoid this? < 1389639014 136839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell from the noise if the CPU is busy; but that's just the fans spinning up in response to more heat. < 1389639028 887174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you put a tinfoil hat on your desktop? < 1389639037 906247 :peapodamus2!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389639039 454605 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389639074 76462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conversely, a sufficiently strong wide-band noise source can mask the informative signals, though ergonomic concerns may render this unattractive." (Countermeasures section of the Q&A-format summary.) < 1389639099 791225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why does your computer sound like a jet engine taking off?" "Oh, I'm just foiling NSA here." < 1389639107 476903 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“strong wideband noise source,” aka. “your cow orker's radio” < 1389639127 344652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I suppose the fans too, but I wasn't talking about fans. < 1389639348 772235 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1389639565 803210 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389639640 400847 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389639762 271908 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of this "BadBIOS" thing from last year < 1389639782 842777 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ < 1389639819 505498 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice pic < 1389639901 950608 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the verdict on that? is it really real, or just an overhyped simili-scam? < 1389639963 890923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signs point towards "real" (see NSA toy catalogue) but I have not seen any final verdict. (Then again I have not really been paying attention.) < 1389640028 411168 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who I trust when it comes to security-related questions seem to believe it's real, anyway, but I haven't been paying much attention either < 1389640033 250995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not saying that this was the NSA, just that such technology does exist. It still sounds quite wild. At least USB thumb drives are a plausible attack vector. < 1389640105 455571 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think bios/uefi-eating malware was uncommon < 1389640124 879099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember also that the NSA catalog is 7 years old < 1389640164 144642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's the detail that this one bridges airgaps that makes it so interesting. < 1389640196 775172 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, the article just makes bios-eating sound uncommon in itself < 1389640233 415419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing is that we don't have tools for finding such malware. It could be in any of the busmaster capable hardware devices, virtually all of which have their own firmware. < 1389640249 773283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw your computer into a river < 1389640268 501293 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer proceeds to vibrate at a particular frequency, thus infecting the entire river < 1389640274 852462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't trust a computer you cannot throw out of the window directly into the river. < 1389640282 742227 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good advice < 1389640289 135306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know that it takes a steel foundry to really destroy malware. < 1389640325 592567 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the St-Lawrence River good enough? it's long, it's large, it has fish. < 1389640336 221183 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish are a notorious attack vector < 1389640348 596649 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a church of St Lawrence along the road from me < 1389640412 111055 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when dna computing based storage drives incorporated as your appendix become common y'all are fucked, imma gonna attack that shit < 1389640465 387168 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you dare append me, you vile scoundrel! < 1389640498 689375 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't you see, boily... the appendix was in you all along < 1389640524 104252 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooo! betrayed by my own body! damn you, internal organs and various tidbits! < 1389640531 913452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need to replace our airgaps with vacuum gaps < 1389640552 91143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389640641 974607 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://natsec.newamerica.net/nsa/analysis coo < 1389640758 562071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like these days, one should always guess UTF-8 if the input is valid UTF-8 < 1389640784 683281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often will real world EUC-KR text happen to be valid UTF-8? < 1389641078 90972 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it's fair to guess ASCII if the input is also valid ASCII in addition to being valid UTF-8 < 1389641116 660153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on the purpose for which you're making a guess < 1389641161 512980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most purposes i would rather guess UTF-8 because then you have *some* chance of handling high-bit bytes correctly < 1389641183 564845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because there is no code but Unicode and UTF-8 is its transport < 1389641188 55516 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1389641214 151323 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inch'Unicode! < 1389641232 474015 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iä iä < 1389641275 755490 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shit. fish have a disease called 'whirling disease'. that owns < 1389641289 308062 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Fish "whirl" forward in an awkward, corkscrew-like pattern instead of swimming normally, find feeding difficult, and are more vulnerable to predators.» < 1389641291 41138 :peapodamus2!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1389641300 614443 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer virus is also a nematode < 1389641390 62330 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be more appropriate for it to be a computer /worm/, huh. < 1389641406 901096 :peapodamus!~nodepony@e2.bc.425e.cidr.airmail.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389641542 561131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :libchardet is a bit naive when it comes to probabilities. As far as I can make out, "ä" encodes an empty string; it's merely a "shift" token that switches a decoder into EU-KR mode. < 1389641591 332834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :EUC-KR. < 1389641745 683639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and s/lib//; libchardet is a C++ thingy while I looked at the chardet Python thingy. < 1389641876 81985 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, by the looks of it, one of them is a direct port of the other. < 1389641944 973668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Contributor(s): < 1389641945 197700 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Mark Pilgrim - port to Python < 1389642350 730084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389642393 874585 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much effort woul be needed to unnaïvify chardet? < 1389642473 333077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the thing where people say things that you more or less agree with, but they're so annoying about it that you feel bad about having an opinion similar to theirs < 1389642570 721799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389642573 951165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example? < 1389642625 781447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably rude and pointless to name anyone in particular < 1389642651 920832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe past versions of myself. what an obnoxious person :( < 1389643109 457606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know. For UTF-8, it takes 1 - (0.495)^n as the probability if only 0 < n < 6, where n is the number of characters (well, code points) parsed. That looks very ad hoc. For EUC-KR, it somehow uses character frequencies, but I have not figured out the details. So I don't know whether all those "confidences" are comparible. What's missing as well, I think, is some reasonable a priory distribution of character... < 1389643115 461659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...encodings, so that Bayes' theorem can be applied. < 1389643337 306183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the universal prior < 1389643401 231299 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat109.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389643465 731256 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the unnaïvification is untrivial, eh? < 1389643956 568274 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1389644265 266661 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.168.184 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1389644411 130793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stephenwolfram.com/publications/short-talk-about-richard-feynman/ < 1389644434 622027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram pushes boundaries of scraping the bottom of the barrel, makes breakthrough < 1389645118 102835 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389645129 970584 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a priory", i like that < 1389645155 757326 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me imagine a bunch of nuns hard at work doing math < 1389645156 930113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389645585 925302 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In agro, in mathematica analysis complexam, certis de quavis ratione lineam moduli totum integrale est in complexu per vias plano." < 1389645608 8349 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the quickest way to the reals is through the complex plane'? < 1389645717 945385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am I to question the Ways of our Complex Plane? < 1389646232 104016 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1389646271 463405 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389646414 723 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389647183 775208 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1389647191 743370 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1389647525 477125 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389647772 949589 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389647840 64729 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1389648039 899217 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389648100 903740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1389648129 371601 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389648243 692841 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389648261 810265 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: I like your hobbies. < 1389648273 870170 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1389648278 50768 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389648394 20996 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389648500 580965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really don't feel comfortable here anymore :/ < 1389648634 482157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I left #esoteric a while back because it was no longer talking about esoprogramming < 1389648639 973392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really feel comfortable in social channels < 1389648649 688807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it back on autojoin, though, hoping that it had got better < 1389648705 915601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i leave it might solve both of our problems < 1389648801 170116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you aren't really contributing to the problem, from my point of view < 1389648819 228914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except inasmuch as any channel with more than like 3 people is going to have differing opinions on what are and aren't acceptable offtopic subjects < 1389648871 634687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm mostly upset because we seem to value avoiding "drama" more than standing up to bigots < 1389648906 219577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed whatever it is that happened < 1389648929 551658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that the best option, when possible, is to avoid giving people a chance to be bigoted in the first place < 1389648937 351853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sadly you can't really do that with lax topicality rules < 1389648984 6076 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389648994 619997 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1389649011 439399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked oklopol not to use "retarded" as a pejorative and his response was to start defending the use of the word "gay" as a pejorative, even though he admits it's wrong, because he wanted to annoy me for being a "bully" < 1389649021 493701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something which could easily come up in discussion of esolangs < 1389649030 431799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if i call someone's esolang "retarded" < 1389649041 251753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1389649047 614467 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389649048 515214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel used to be a lot /worse/ in that respect, actually < 1389649060 558756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the offenders just left naturally < 1389649061 691187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i've heard < 1389649123 684142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer it if people just used accuracy in their pejoratives < 1389649157 404141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "stupid" would be fine, IMO, but saying "retarded" just creates confusion while offending people at the same time, which seems strictly worse < 1389649164 600095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1389649226 660562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm frustrated less by oklopol (who admitted in the end he was wrong) and more by all the other people who were like "ugh DRAMA" or "you're just arguing about words", as though how we treat each other isn't important < 1389649258 235859 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, if I was one of the annoying people I'm sorry < 1389649266 979562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I didn't observe you to say anything at all, but thank you < 1389649307 629273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, on a completely different and probably more on topic note, I am still trying to see if I can get an audience in front of which I can create an esolang live < 1389649312 881276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have problems moderating small-ish channels like this, I'm more used trying to moderate a channel with 1000+ users without having mod powers < 1389649322 220523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hellish < 1389649334 32284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you can normally assume that there will be some trolls/troublemakers who will try to make things worse no matter what < 1389649347 135385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my normal approach is to attempt to drown them out, which involves making a distraction < 1389649360 36875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this doesn't actually work in #esoteric, but I normally attempt it anyway because habit < 1389649361 406826 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: target IBNIZ for extra nerd cred < 1389649396 660664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: create an esolang, as in spec? interp? < 1389649410 3741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spec < 1389649482 329396 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey guys i have an idea for an esolang < 1389649496 869384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: go on < 1389649524 190112 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright so the idea of languages like iota and jot and SK is to make the smallest number of primitives that you can construct everything else from, right? < 1389649542 809360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: yes, functionally < 1389649593 859590 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the goal was instead to find a relatively small set of combinators that you could transform practical algorithms into compactly < 1389649604 893085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: that's where SKI come from < 1389649611 89871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like golfscript < 1389649612 7399 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI isn't compact though < 1389649613 581925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not that compact < 1389649638 821111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concatenative languages aim for practical combinators, often < 1389649649 137858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like Underlambda, which is unfinished, from the eso side < 1389649652 591991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Joy from the non-eso side < 1389649676 351951 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how is Underlambda going, by the way < 1389649678 920032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Underload's combinators aren't too bad ( (), ^ and : are Turing-complete by themselves, the rest are basically just there to allow you to approach a sensible coding style) < 1389649685 169460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I haven't worked on it for a while < 1389649696 819661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially now that type system design (and thus language design) is my day job < 1389649702 368729 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of searching exhaustively through the possible combinators for a particular program < 1389649714 184656 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes a lotta time < 1389649720 852415 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for very basic programs < 1389649723 722170 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1389649730 902788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's impossible in general, you provably can't compare functions in general < 1389649740 914257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can in many practically useful special cases < 1389649756 443987 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://blog.regehr.org/archives/923 < 1389649771 549399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? Where/on what are you working? < 1389649772 513757 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only read the original paper tho < 1389649791 891081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Birmingham University < 1389649800 473632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*University of Birmingham < 1389649852 386650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the "you can't compare functions" thing came up just a couple of days ago < 1389649877 194159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :circuit equivalence is decidable < 1389649890 654461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, any language without decidable equivalence obviously is unsuitable for compilation into hardware < 1389649906 889612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a really nice quick sanity check for rejecting possible type systems < 1389649959 642685 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1389650027 159423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital circuit equivalence, that is < 1389650043 383146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about analog, it probably is too but real numbers screw things up < 1389650067 910829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one method that's inefficient but works is to convert the entire thing to a state machine < 1389650069 809224 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a world i was not aware of until just now < 1389650117 39080 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have a function that just takes in an inductively defined datatype, aren't there only so many cases to prove equivalent results for? < 1389650144 809272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: well one thing you can do is restrict the types of loops, by requiring all loops to be bounded in advance < 1389650151 949157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. by the size of the data type you passed in < 1389650166 881247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do that, you have a "primitive recursive" function, equivalence is decidable for those < 1389650180 165790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nonetheless, a lot of practical programs work with primitive recursive functions only < 1389650189 26103 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Y one of those? < 1389650206 470466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Y can't be done with primitive recursion only, it needs general recursion < 1389650248 50353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the point of the Y combinator is to show that untyped lambda calculus supports general recursion without the need for extra combinators/constants < 1389650254 337669 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389650265 927001 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat101.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389650266 618511 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this problem is starting to not sound like a good match for an untyped kinda system :D < 1389650286 614028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, the Y combinator is a specific implementation of a fixed-point combinator; normally people use "fix" if referring to fixed-point combinators in general) < 1389650304 975659 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1389650322 253907 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm spotty in general < 1389650340 575852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like the difference between a fast fourier transform and a discrete fourier transform < 1389650390 374829 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 9:30 practical in the morning :( < 1389650391 651381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are two different Y combinators, one for strict (call-by-value) semantics and one for non-strict (call-by-name) < 1389650398 231895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's not a very practical time is it < 1389650413 205575 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it means I have to get up earlier < 1389650424 415523 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait that was a funny < 1389650427 934609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm tired < 1389650433 727100 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i didn't know the distinction between fft and dft until now either < 1389650450 881527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow, that's such a weird way of looking at the difference between call-by-value and call-by-name < 1389650459 344089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather skewed on this because I work almost exclusively with call-by-name < 1389650486 298889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see call-by-value as sugar for creating an assignable variable and initializing it with your function argument < 1389650511 918775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1389650526 743813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a system where assignment forces evaluation? < 1389650559 742244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah < 1389650603 243082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's the only way to force evaluation atm, apart from the FFI < 1389650610 206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the if statement < 1389650618 129106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the while statement < 1389650643 433676 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389650644 885241 :nys!~nys@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which have you heard of that thing showing how you convert an evaluator into an abstract machine or back? < 1389650662 170613 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :futumura projections? < 1389650665 461272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most languages also have strict arithmetic because they want to use machine arithmetic < 1389650670 58865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not the only way to do arithmetic < 1389650702 224127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the implementation we're working on is a bit weird, we use hardcoded connections between circuits < 1389650734 420104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically means that we can't have any values more complex than integers < 1389650746 332995 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1389650879 746127 :tibuda!~tibuda@189-25-130-42.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1389650906 946714 :tibuda!~tibuda@189-25-130-42.user.veloxzone.com.br PART #esoteric :"Saindo" < 1389651029 666759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a paper where we implemented a recursive Fibonacci on this thing < 1389651062 433547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even less efficient than the normal recursive Fibonacci because it has to go and subtract all the 1s from the argument over and over again < 1389651073 444695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1389651104 278751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we managed to get it published anyway though < 1389651122 478220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that recursive fib is an example of an algorithm where computing f(n) takes f(n) steps < 1389651124 642272 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1389651127 671969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~drg/papers/icfp11.pdf < 1389651136 599611 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't that connected to euclid's algorithm somehow < 1389651151 238113 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just the golden ratio. it's e-y < 1389651174 260900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closed form formula for fib(n) uses φ yeah < 1389651184 276146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't that true of pretty much any algorithm that just forms numbers via adding up 1s? < 1389651195 646523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it < 1389651203 553218 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't f(n+1)/f(n) approach phi in the limit? < 1389651213 262872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes < 1389651229 808871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because φ²=φ+1 < 1389651240 539434 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, i know that, i'm trying to remember if this is connected to the time complexity bit < 1389651269 790331 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1389651283 148239 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have half a blog post written about learning linear algebra via one of the less stupid fib algorithms < 1389651301 92763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) in (fibs !! 1000) / (fibs !! 999) < 1389651301 588724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : the closed form formula for fib(n) uses φ yeah < 1389651302 918262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6180339887498951 < 1389651306 152371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupid one is one of the better recursion benchmarks, though < 1389651310 921482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the other solution to that one equation < 1389651324 259968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 + sqrt 5) / 2 < 1389651325 271334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1389651334 456475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow pretty close < 1389651342 315451 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that converge slow? < 1389651346 150150 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the rational approximations do < 1389651358 197015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 13/5 < 1389651359 178253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.6 < 1389651361 752331 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1389651365 188073 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 13/8 < 1389651366 168048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.625 < 1389651366 610604 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj < 1389651373 379296 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 21/13 < 1389651374 444707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6153846153846154 < 1389651382 28117 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 34/21 < 1389651383 58511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.619047619047619 < 1389651398 501715 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know how fast convergences generally are < 1389651408 974691 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1389651439 282201 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like, the contfrac for phi is 1/(1+1/(1+1/...)) and that gives the best rational approximations < 1389651442 609405 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, they all suck < 1389651453 961931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / 1))) < 1389651456 399585 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1389651458 158536 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / (1 + 1 / 1))) < 1389651459 319504 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6 < 1389651463 701518 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1389651478 569109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 1 + 1/x in iterate f 1 < 1389651479 533925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.0,1.5,1.6666666666666665,1.6,1.625,1.6153846153846154,1.6190476190476... < 1389651489 268110 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, two significative numbers is pretty good in my book. < 1389651492 410158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it goes up and down < 1389651578 777130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the other thing I liked in that paper, was that I got to use Algol 60 for a serious reason, even though it was 2011 < 1389651589 891687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389651637 579975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my supervisor was surprised that I managed to get hold of a working Algol 60 compiler after this long < 1389651648 289445 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, the square root of two is [1;1,2,1,2,1,2,...] i think, how do you haskell that < 1389651662 688083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 ++ cycle [1,2] < 1389651663 613371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1389651663 799542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M60779866017779691048889.show_M60779866017779691048... < 1389651663 799651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `a0' is ambiguous < 1389651663 799738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1389651663 799822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1389651667 919144 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no it's [1;2,2,2,2] maybe < 1389651673 747477 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1389651680 919772 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with a bajillion 2's obv < 1389651686 946146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: that's a really useless error message < 1389651691 589128 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 : cycle [2] < 1389651692 608022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2... < 1389651697 420156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1389651698 322510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 2 + 1/x in iterate f 1 < 1389651699 289313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,3.0,2.3333333333333335,2.4285714285714284,2.411764705882353,2.414634146... < 1389651707 750197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like that < 1389651711 923751 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1389651715 911508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that lambdabot had enough definitions floating around that it could somehow concatenate an int to a list? < 1389651724 338119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ++ < 1389651725 186102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `++' < 1389651726 931487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (++) < 1389651727 724708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1389651734 907243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> 1 + 1 / x) $ iterate (\x -> 2 + 1 / x) 1 < 1389651735 866674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2.0,1.3333333333333333,1.4285714285714286,1.411764705882353,1.4146341463414... < 1389651783 648945 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, those are p. good < 1389651819 507448 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 1 + 1/x in iterate f 1 !! 1e6 < 1389651820 515199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int) < 1389651820 700496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `1e6' < 1389651820 700634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Real.Fractional a) < 1389651820 700732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the inferred type of it :: GHC.Real.Fractional a => a < 1389651820 700829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : at Top level < 1389651825 170443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 1 + 1/x in iterate f 1 !! 1000000 < 1389651826 529014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1389651898 823049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let sums = map (foldr (\x y -> x + 1 / y) 1) . inits in sums (1 : repeat 2) < 1389651899 930080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.0,1.3333333333333333,1.4285714285714286,1.411764705882353,1.414634146... < 1389651928 27821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let sums = map (foldr (\x y -> x + 1 / y) 1) . inits < 1389651929 447775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1389651930 692101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1389651939 132192 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sums (1 : cycle [1,2]) < 1389651941 533525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.0,1.5,1.75,1.7142857142857144,1.7333333333333334,1.7307692307692308,1... < 1389651945 853623 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 3 < 1389651947 27971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.7320508075688772 < 1389651971 477449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (1 + %)^:(<10) 1 < 1389651972 157741 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 1 2 1.5 1.66667 1.6 1.625 1.61538 1.61905 1.61765 1.61818 < 1389651995 468871 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: FLYING CHICKEN! < 1389651997 697737 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389652003 818045 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (1 + %)^:1e6 ] 1 < 1389652004 907610 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 1.61803 < 1389652020 259692 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let convergents = sums < 1389652021 357840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let convergents = sums' < 1389652028 331237 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let convergents = sums < 1389652029 590095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1389652071 637711 :atrapado!~ddd@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1389652071 928112 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_letters_used_in_mathematics_and_science this is great < 1389652121 817739 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1389652125 427901 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there another similar list somewhere? < 1389652130 158987 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Wikipedia I mean < 1389652147 377635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now you gotta turn it into a song < 1389652157 548892 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no lehrer. < 1389652159 397503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also saw Ш used for a pulse train i.e. a function f(x) which takes on the value 1 on a set of measure zero and 0 elsewhere < 1389652162 423013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. cute < 1389652166 774031 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1389652174 291167 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_letters_used_in_mathematics < 1389652183 715113 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit.. redundant? < 1389652230 887682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably arabic letters have been used in algebra < 1389652235 95055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure < 1389652240 857711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxcar_function < 1389652241 647725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they used greek out of Tradition < 1389652278 541119 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think algebra was symbolic enough during the persian period < 1389652291 848345 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd write out "a quantity divided by four" or wetf < 1389652302 519151 :mrhmouse!~jordan.br@firewall1.photobooks.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1389652328 217647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1389652343 542102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh was it from persia and not arabia? same script i guess, anyway) < 1389652353 493515 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both < 1389652365 541117 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than hindustan though, where they'd write it out in verse < 1389652368 963791 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that for eso < 1389652401 924362 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389652433 376348 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://31.media.tumblr.com/db46eea7c7b668193a6a7dbf4e9f636b/tumblr_mzbi1t3gol1rb9lj8o1_1280.png in doge news < 1389652587 908480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ''real'' < 1389652616 570547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ''real'' ''real'' < 1389652626 299994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read one of the three books you gave me to read < 1389652736 817654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1389652755 47434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Eye in the Pyramid < 1389652776 520278 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :were the other two also illuminatus < 1389652803 490483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1389652820 32867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow starting the second one is more effort than continuing to a new chapter < 1389652867 108640 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my illuminatus copy has all three in one, very convenient < 1389652884 68835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does this one < 1389652920 908573 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1389652942 359243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"India is marking three years since its last reported polio case, a landmark in the global battle against the disease." < 1389652952 997320 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1389652959 884240 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it still bad in... pakistan? i wanna say pakistan < 1389652985 525474 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :afghanistan, nigeria, and pakistan < 1389652992 569536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd sort of guess some "first world" country getting polio back due to vaccination paranoia < 1389653033 330688 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need to have some extant polio for that, and it's pretty totally eradicated in many countries < 1389653065 511084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think we're a long way from that still < 1389653095 886089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other disases already coming back for that reason, though :/ < 1389653120 629484 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cdc says that there hasn't been a polio case in the US since 1979 < 1389653137 995052 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the virus sticks around in animals and stuff like, say, plague, which is still extant in the US < 1389653221 882689 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Poliovirus is however strictly a human pathogen, and does not naturally infect any other species" yeah < 1389653529 100822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1389653760 352998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's convenient < 1389653881 833493 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, HIV is the same way, and that's been kind of hard to eradicate >_> < 1389654053 96502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well at least it can't be spread through contaminated food or water < 1389654115 323549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eradicating polio in Pakistan is harder because the Taliban keeps killing the medical workers < 1389654128 977177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well i suspect some apes may be included too. but they're probably not a major infection source at this time. < 1389654195 56272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you've missed syria; polio has reappeared there during the war. < 1389654199 611258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1389654218 418163 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1389654265 200217 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HIV is a mutant of the one that infects chimps < 1389654277 441833 :Bike!~Glossina@wl-nat105.it.wsu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1389654284 17583 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and yeah i heard about that, i was just glancing at a WHO page. i don't think it's actually epidemic there though? just like, a problem < 1389654287 63321 :Bike_!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu NICK :Bike < 1389654449 524439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course, HIV is the same way, and that's been kind of hard to eradicate >_> < 1389654453 207630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't vaccinate though < 1389654478 842172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1389654484 527494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1389654489 258986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaccination means you can eliminate transmission in the human population, not being a zoonosis means there aren't any animal reservoirs to pop up after the vaccination passes over < 1389654502 807496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why am i saying this you surely know better than i) < 1389654526 401217 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was just thinking of zoonosis < 1389654543 48568 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to come up with an example that was actually a virus, i mean plague is bacteria, or somethin < 1389654583 533017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pig flu, bird flu, zebra flu, etc < 1389654624 871574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :flu flu < 1389654628 449117 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those are species-specific too, they just mutate < 1389654637 807746 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are virusy things that infect viruses, i think. weird shit < 1389654711 368562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the current hip recursion meme, i think yo dawg and inception have both gone stale < 1389654745 241206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe recursion memes have gone stale < 1389654749 249545 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1389654757 213018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we don't need another one < 1389654765 90677 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viroid < 1389654766 573047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some liquid water in my kitchen at 120°C < 1389654767 810170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will always need recursion memes < 1389654773 664607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can make it a meme that recursion memes have gone stale < 1389654776 459555 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my chemistry textbook described viruses as "large molecules" which kind of rules < 1389654779 144918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, throw sand at it < 1389654784 704032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yo dawg i heard you like recursion memes < 1389654949 112013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly imagines little nanobot drones flying around vaccinating wild birds against flu
< 1389654983 412661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose micro or milli may also do < 1389655008 200140 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1389655013 817959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bees < 1389655017 377811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bees with vaccine stings < 1389655020 144905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could look like mosquitos, and handle malaria at the same time < 1389655036 250994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vaccine is also mosquito poison < 1389655060 487820 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eradicate mosquitoes by 2050 < 1389655063 776978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to eradicate mosquitos if you eradicate malaria. of course you may want to anyway. < 1389655154 251430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you're a large molecule < 1389655186 883718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :viruses that infect viruses? what? < 1389655212 268113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there might be nasty ecological consequences to eradicating mosquitos < 1389655221 987975 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_virus < 1389655241 206436 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's um... once you get down to this level everything gets very blurry < 1389655241 949500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which is why i didn't suggest it. well also a slight romantic disgust of eradicating species. < 1389655246 363670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when mao tried to eradicate sparrows because they eat the crops and it turns out they also eat locusts which eat the crops way harder < 1389655270 568147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :359 nucleotides wow < 1389655281 21528 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1389655310 26290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomato bushy stunt? Turnip crinkle? < 1389655324 121479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i suppose that's part of his 30% bad hth < 1389655372 161739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of you incl ais523 might like https://twitter.com/fbz/status/422844456958971904 < 1389655389 661591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the direct link < 1389655395 693268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only 30% bad? < 1389655396 285026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #! nonsense has a tendency of not working properly < 1389655404 144212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I haven't seen the #! nonsense in a while < 1389655424 197498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's official! < 1389655429 533517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they got rid of it < 1389655431 273523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they did < 1389655476 417911 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tobacco mosaic, being the first virus found, has a ton of research on it, and i guess it was easiest to spread out into other plants < 1389655539 569180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1389655591 245068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a mosaic virus that does rule 110 patterns twh < 1389655606 530271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Textile_cone.JPG < 1389655778 622568 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :model species are so weird, i have a book on muscle that uses a lot of rabbit psoas, and guess what the lab i'm working in does twenty years later < 1389656121 239563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's rabbit psoas? a kind of stew? < 1389656203 319979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like stew but i prefer stew made without rabbits or psoas < 1389656244 500033 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: filet mignon < 1389656507 417190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me think of rabbit phoas or rabbit ptas < 1389656656 941242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rabbit phở < 1389656665 398994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nom < 1389656684 523361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Việt Nom < 1389656688 53736 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1389656690 853850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1389656805 430166 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the psoas is a muscle in the back that is also filet mignon < 1389656959 943636 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is < 1389656963 328510 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1389656964 971858 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1389656974 915280 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm pretty pissed off < 1389657210 822870 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, it's tasty < 1389657227 749875 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1389657393 926077 :Sellyme!~Sellyme@fluttershy.is.bestpony.tk JOIN :#esoteric