< 1388880183 721653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like gouda < 1388880413 171529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily norway is warmer this time of the year. <-- incidentally i saw in the newspaper that the night before yesterday was the fourth hottest january night ever measured (by minimum temperature) in trondheim. (it was 5.1 celsius.) < 1388880413 409844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388880492 851843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.1 celsius is p. cold < 1388880501 881984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily http://www.adressa.no/vaeret/article8897643.ece < 1388880502 82540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388880592 571762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you californians are p. spoiled < 1388880610 123252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait am i a californian now < 1388880639 441818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd hazard a guess israelis are p. spoiled about temperature too < 1388880691 181571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look the point is, why are you even in trondheim when it's so inhuman there < 1388880695 911727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a proper finn would never call 5.1 celsius cold. < 1388880752 461534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was last in helsinki it was ~30°C < 1388880757 911990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hot imo < 1388880765 261809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru dat. < 1388880782 781595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second half of December in Finland was the warmest ever in statistics starting from 1961. < 1388880811 542371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you put some flour in your hair and moved to california < 1388880838 577968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more sensible than calling people spoiled imo < 1388880843 781619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the highest temperature ever measured in norway was 35.6°C < 1388880956 701575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did have -39.7 °C in December somewhere up north though. < 1388880973 51523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year? < 1388881021 442714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last year. It hasn't been December this year yet. < 1388881038 831650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, slow year < 1388881075 313208 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388881156 241767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on where you let start your year < 1388881175 261613 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if america starts a week on sunday, why not start a year in december? < 1388881325 221461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, whole 2013 was the sixth warmest in the 1847..2013 range. (Top 5 has 1938, 1989, 2011, 2000, 1934.) < 1388881399 652332 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388881436 311246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Europe in the Middle Ages, the year generally started on 25 March < 1388881439 842167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year#Historical_Christian_new_year_dates < 1388881464 952962 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: perfect < 1388881471 71406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sometimes on Easter, never mind that the date of easter moves back and forth < 1388881474 35432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'same date could occur twice in a year; the two occurrences were distinguished as "before Easter" and "after Easter".' < 1388881475 162321 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there were a december this fiscal year < 1388881510 731213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :January 1 is the Feast of the Circumcision of Christ < 1388881516 432022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion is creepy < 1388881521 811391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunday is the sensible day to start the week < 1388881527 41387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :america starts it on monday < 1388881540 431456 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388881550 502220 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who starts on sunday, then? < 1388881558 96652 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The American convention is Sunday. < 1388881565 201633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO starts it on Monday < 1388881572 631537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you gonna argue with ISO < 1388881590 902316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it starts on sunday < 1388881595 111300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you gonna argue with IMO < 1388881596 934774 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday is the first day in most of continental Europe, as far as I'm aware. < 1388881601 171216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why argue with ISO when you can simply ignore them completely < 1388881637 682332 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :america has been strong in ignoring standards for ages < 1388881800 901402 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388881919 841443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Week numbers: worst things. (Even agreeing on the start day doesn't guarantee those.) < 1388881977 261681 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there is no $[ in there < 1388882022 382417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"World map showing first day of week used in different countries Saturday Sunday Monday Wednesday (questionable) < 1388882037 311447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last one sounds good. < 1388882061 905151 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf wednesday? < 1388882066 102096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wednesday is questionable < 1388882084 534826 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in german it's practically named "midweek" < 1388882093 411373 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell can a week start at that < 1388882151 841978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "midweek" in Finnish too. < 1388882189 631945 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where live these crazy people? < 1388882197 881176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :odin's day < 1388882202 721295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish also has "wednesday" (but spelled onsdag) < 1388882274 191252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's just wrong. (The map had Hungary marked with Wednesday.) < 1388882416 17899 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388882424 311119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO week numbers have Monday as first day, and the week is associated with the year that contains the Thursday of that week, but: "In some countries, though, the numbering system is different from the ISO standard. At least six numberings are in use: --" < 1388882466 682544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great thing about standards < 1388882650 491117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Scandinavian countries, Saturday is called lördag, "lørdag," or laurdag, the name being derived from the old word laugr/laug (hence Icelandic name Laugardagur), meaning bath, thus Lördag equates to bath-day. This is due to the Viking practice of bathing on Saturdays.[citation needed]" < 1388882673 321238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last bit was somehow amusing. < 1388882690 791398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's "lauantai" in Finnish.) < 1388882712 971989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I bathed today (earlier today when it was saturday) < 1388882724 221287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vikings are well-known for their bathing habits. < 1388882801 281702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, too; we have a sauna reservation on Saturday, which I think is p. typical. (Though it's v. possible a private sauna would be even more typical; haven't seen statistics.) < 1388882903 371285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics Finland's page is not loading. :/ < 1388882952 941577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: wednesday as midweek only makes sense if the week starts on sunday < 1388882986 240803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It makes perfect sense when week starts on Monday, because Saturday and Sunday don't count. < 1388882988 201554 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: depends < 1388882996 761741 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1388883047 771147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered that you don't count (properly) < 1388883063 381804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hebrew gives better evidence for it < 1388883074 641036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hebrew sunday is called firstday and monday is called secondday and so on < 1388883079 161118 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? my week ends on friday :p < 1388883082 691100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, this page only has statistics for numbers of buildings. < 1388883089 572499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sensible < 1388883120 551002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: must drive programmers crazy < 1388883219 181156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1388883275 901961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, in 2012, there are approximately 1555000 saunas "in flats", and 2579781 "household-dwelling units" in general. So (assuming the contribution of multiple-sauna dwellings as negligible) I guess it would logically follow that it's more common to have a sauna than not. < 1388883301 461057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, why would you not have a sauna < 1388883326 661784 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could get a sauna put in my flat, or if it requires special infrastructure < 1388883327 841109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of money, I guess. < 1388883343 750830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it requires rather similar infrastructure as a bathroom. < 1388883370 111272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandmother has a sauna in her house in .il < 1388883375 961181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :less common, i imagine < 1388883406 161540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We don't have a sauna here, probably because it wasn't as common as it nowadays is to put private ones in, back in 1984 when this building was builded.) < 1388883487 781125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having one does take up some floor space. Though the ones they put in small apartments are really very tiny. < 1388883504 822184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sort of things that will be very crowded if you try to have more than two people in at the same time. < 1388883543 191043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you gotta have your own lake, too < 1388883584 171805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 187888 lakes (definition: >500 square metres) in Finland, so we'd have to kill a lot of people to achieve that. < 1388883584 372258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could use your bathtub as the lake and have a foldable sauna you can use to convert the rest of the bathroom into a sauna < 1388883624 981288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we could dig out more lakes, too. < 1388883635 361072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The killing solution just sounded occurred to me first. < 1388883696 832338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can consider a 1000 square metre lake to be two adjacent 500 square metre lakes < 1388883901 881068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that would work. < 1388883956 805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to W|A, there's 34330 km^2 of lakes in Finland, so divided to 5.42 million people, that's about 6334 square metres. < 1388883971 551078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to give everyone up to 12 lakes. < 1388883985 871133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1388883996 140874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think everyone should get some shore as well < 1388884058 71237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, the shoreline problem. < 1388884087 851565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is difficult to have a sauna by the lake when all you have is lake < 1388884137 260894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked for "shoreline in Finland", but I think it's interpreting that as the coastline bordering the sea, or something. (On the other hand, I learned that 1250 km is "0.78 × distance the Proclaimers would walk, just to be the man that walks a thousand miles to fall down at your door". < 1388884148 311176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The distance being a thousand miles.) < 1388884163 622109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1388884182 780935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The comparisons of W|A are frequently very useful.) < 1388884221 710436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 centimiles < 1388884222 970488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388884299 151329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll make like a Proclaimer and walk (a shorter distance) to fall asleep now. (Nights.) < 1388884426 540577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i meant centikilomiles < 1388884481 968386 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :decamiles? < 1388885138 70401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should eat (because it's dinner time) or sleep (because it's bedtime) < 1388885304 720865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may ban everyone who tries to argue that the week starts on Sunday < 1388885331 970567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt elliott proves he's an antisemite < 1388885724 162377 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1388886031 611810 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388887606 385957 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388887659 160925 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388888391 640231 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388888522 270227 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388888858 230522 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-62-106.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388888945 960106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-201.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388889147 339976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1388889483 920729 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-119-201.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388889566 890374 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388889794 549998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: pnyte < 1388889796 741562 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388890650 432439 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella QUIT :Quit: It is tiem! < 1388891049 530181 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388891490 942228 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1388891502 810383 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize new BOFH stories are being produced < 1388891753 491391 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388891885 685522 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388891889 621060 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur < 1388893111 300536 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know about weird-ass linux boot errors < 1388893143 10043 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is telling me "Firmware Bug" and then.. i think it's crashing trying to look at an empty hard drive, which dumps me into ramfs, but it can't get a tty so i can't even tell it to die < 1388893212 570230 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, some kernel bug. weird. i wonder why the recovery linux works then < 1388893859 80114 :doesthiswork!~Adium@97-126-87-49.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388894334 250890 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is shutdown -k for, i love it < 1388895224 341689 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.102.164 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1388895842 369674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1388896632 900523 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388896642 828445 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1388896744 719963 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1388896825 883030 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388896827 591584 :preflex_!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex NICK :preflex < 1388897071 571442 :_46bit_!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdieebblmwrdwpab QUIT :Quit: Crunk. < 1388897142 250983 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388898626 862593 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388898877 790068 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388899346 752535 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388899852 130868 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388899934 201308 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388900006 842770 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1388900172 349949 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1388900654 401292 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388902411 962399 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388902442 922557 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388902499 91605 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388903539 498736 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTES: < 1388903541 210768 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shutdown wasn't designed to be run setuid. < 1388903554 150881 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...uhm. < 1388903571 321071 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, mine doesn't have that. < 1388903596 990804 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think this ubuntu one is a totally different implementation from the arch one, how odd < 1388903646 590932 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess has to do with ubuntu doing some total other thiing with initd, well, whatever < 1388905378 741166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have more idea of some kind of computer game based on something I have dreamt of. Do you have any such things? < 1388905498 111526 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of basing a game on dreams once. < 1388905501 781991 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388905531 282267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please be more specific? < 1388905536 802557 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388905573 122042 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game with a framing story of invading dreams somehow (Paprika ish, probably) used to exhibit real people's dreams in FPS form. < 1388905768 21281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. My ideas isn't like that; it is simply using things I have dreamt as ideas. < 1388905794 402360 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. but it seemed related. < 1388905803 791580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's OK. < 1388905826 823496 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1388906295 147654 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1388906522 454357 :ski_!~ski@remote1.student.chalmers.se QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1388906952 872534 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388907001 231284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you perhaps give an example of how you would do that? < 1388907067 283489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388907074 471459 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a friend with a dream where she was picked up by robots and told to run obstacle courses, so that they could study humn behavior; bam, tutorial level < 1388907110 391558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a lot like psychonauts to me < 1388908137 903100 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388908753 332273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388908796 691317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you what one of my ideas is, though. You can gain (and change) your affiliation with various organizations during the game, such as the evil "The Core", or one of the three factions that secretly work for them; or the four small intelligent insects (two red and two blue) who are against them, and can eat the inside of your body and brain a little bit. Eventually they can grow much larger (almost as big as people) and wings to fly; ... < 1388908854 241147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... if big then it is a great help to you to stop "The Core", too. Or, you can play as the insectoid character, which is like another game, even though it is the same game. And then there can be even more confusing circumstances involved in the situations!!!! < 1388908908 450859 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game of confusing circumstances involved in situations < 1388908992 512290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think i might like this game! < 1388909010 580824 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's an important note < 1388909041 771067 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation "shutdown is not necessarily a secure piece of software. If you setuid it, attackers may do other things" < 1388909199 10816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, maybe, but I don't actually have much more idea than just what I wrote now. < 1388909246 817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1388909321 341433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is one more thing. I also dreamt that such evil organizations was in the same building as a clothing store (maybe as a kind of front), and for some reason there was the situation where for "cosmic balance" or something like that, we had to accelerate the rack hanging shirts while riding it, once we reach the middle we must turn it around immediately and decelerate all the way to the other side until it stops. < 1388909331 890888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it wouldn't stop... < 1388909384 780969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So such a thing could be worked into a game too, but it can also be made not to. < 1388909391 121813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't help. < 1388909395 761014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it makes little sense < 1388909458 991525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it isn't sensible. < 1388909582 431098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other ideas above seems more likely to work, though. But still I don't have much more idea to actually program in such things. < 1388909604 551799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1388909614 586709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted to < 1388909620 430756 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could come up with something < 1388909626 501530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think about it hard enough < 1388909642 631769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I might be able to do so in future < 1388909659 654752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do *you* have any better ideas? < 1388909704 251431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sometimes working on a puzzle game < 1388909720 860696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of puzzle game? < 1388909742 162271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388909826 271096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about santa's elves going on strike. so santa gets conned into replacing them with robots that run on rails. and the player is stuck with the task of designing the rails and switches so that the toys get put together correctly. < 1388909835 271587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1388909918 961434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be a manufactoria sort of game, but less turing-complete (no queue) < 1388910289 921185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever do make a game based on what I wrote about what I dreamt (the first one, not the second unsensible one), then I can show you. But, I might not. Nevertheless, there are several other idea possibility. < 1388910321 270987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much time a day do you usually spend building software < 1388910418 250902 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388910447 50896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1388911376 910753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Zerocoin keys be transmitted using separate channels? < 1388912236 691320 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1388912257 831253 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's not really a need for it < 1388912295 783243 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, just reclaim your zerocoin as btc, and immediately give it to whomever in the usual way < 1388912314 301192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anonymity is maintained as long as you do the claiming with a new address < 1388912372 962539 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-20-93.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388912373 753457 :FreeFull!~freefull@host-92-30-20-93.as13285.net QUIT :Changing host < 1388912373 953672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388912810 441563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would it simplify something in any way if in a way that would still work OK? < 1388912905 341912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would still need time to verify the transaction, for sure, though. < 1388913226 501231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what ways there are to do what things, since it seem to me a good idea would be to design the system to allow transmissions on separate channels < 1388914432 740874 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you already can < 1388914458 200880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hand out the private key of the zerocoin transaction you made < 1388915995 40568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just wondering how much privacy issues there are from such thing; maybe it depends on who uses it? < 1388916070 10611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about CipherSaber? < 1388916078 830927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the point of zerocoin is to remain anonymous, and if you transfer zerocin via a side channel, you are deanonymizing yourself to the person you give it to < 1388916094 460467 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'll look it up < 1388916121 891329 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388916136 820488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CipherSaber is a variant of ARCFOUR with a ten-byte initialization vector and the key setup repeated a secret number of times too (this secret number would be part of the key). < 1388916189 481917 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388916302 270342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1388916322 788870 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to be a specific RC4 implementation. no biggie. < 1388916425 542141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used RC4 as nothing more than a random number generator, and this seems to work; it also isn't too difficult to implement in a 6502, although it uses up a large amount of the RAM in systems such as NES/Famicom. < 1388916512 360351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to implement a good quality random number generator for the RANDOM instruction of the Z-machine, but I don't have 256 bytes of RAM remaining which can be used for this purpose; almost all of the RAM is already used (and that includes the 64K RAM in the cartridge, too!) < 1388916516 640161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like famicom would have much need for encryption < 1388916545 840288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh < 1388916565 942216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is true, but I just wanted to implement a good quality random number generator; cryptographic quality is not necessary but it does have to be *good* quality. < 1388916627 370559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have you considered and rejected LCGs? < 1388916635 380331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they certainly use very little memory < 1388916703 530276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they good enough? < 1388916749 741164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect it to be good enough. < 1388916760 902892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what good enough means to you < 1388916768 791846 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388916775 410542 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388916788 980281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFSRs can be computed in the same amount of memory but take longer to compute, but have better randomness properties < 1388916810 550352 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388916834 520325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random numbers shouldn't need to be generated too often. < 1388916856 610266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1388916948 814438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably in any Z-machine games it won't be generated a lot of random numbers each turn, but it need to be at least reasonably fast, but not a lot like other things are. < 1388917007 240614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the time could also be used as an input to the random number generator; the results don't have to be predictable. < 1388917008 861119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i think LFSR will be good enough. < 1388917117 121121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I hope so < 1388917122 201556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try. < 1388917217 847532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be combined with a time counter increasing every frame, and then it need to know how many bits of output are needed and then if the number is too high after masking out the unneeded bits, try again. < 1388917313 632493 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1388917341 612333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :using XOR to combine with time i assume? < 1388917397 720420 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1388917456 340042 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z machine on a famicom? < 1388917458 221230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that there is actually a LFSR in the 2A03 (the CPU for the Famicom), however the program cannot read it unless pin 30 is high, in which case the I/O ports stop working, and anyways pin 30 is internally hardwired to ground and cannot be changed. It *is* output to the cartridge, but no cartridge does anything with it except to output it to the audio. < 1388917501 100318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Yes, I made up much of it already, but not division and random numbers. http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/Famicom_Z-machine You can read the coding so far < 1388917569 860025 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use a multiply-with-carry generator, I don't know if it will fit in 256 bytes (of code?) < 1388917588 131323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The code can be put in ROM; it doesn't need to fit in RAM. < 1388917613 500180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can implement it in software, though. I didn't intend to use XOR, but rather subtraction, to do the combine, however; and the number need to be 15-bits but a 16-bits LFSR could be used. < 1388917614 660376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the small word size of the 6502 may be a problem. < 1388917632 650116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would slow it down a bit, yes. < 1388917691 40283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the multiplication would be better using the Russian algorithm; would this be better or not, than what I have? < 1388917710 770169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean for the MUL instruction, not for random number generators) < 1388917719 410496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet I would still require division/modulo < 1388917891 379991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as an efficient way to lookup in the vocabulary (which could be preprocessed using a separate program if it would help; there is probably enough ROM space for such a thing) < 1388918124 579990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also please notify me if you found anything wrong with the program so far < 1388918514 969782 :doesthiswork!~Adium@97-126-87-49.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1388918622 516823 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388919000 520118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed a C code for LFSR in Wikipedia. However, in a GNU C program, you might use __builtin_parity, would that work better? (Or you can use __builtin_parityll if you need more bits) < 1388919866 819848 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388919876 591230 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:e2cb:4eff:feb2:e567 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388920373 560013 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 6502 does not have a division instruction? < 1388920440 991226 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's *that* old. < 1388920653 229858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPARC doesn't have a division instruction either. < 1388920682 679996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's a not-that-old "real" processor.) < 1388920700 580496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might have a floating-point division, though. < 1388920761 820117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, to be more exact, a SPARC might commonly come with a FPU that does division.) < 1388920996 400529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 6502 has no multiplication or division instruction. < 1388920997 400032 :gully_foil_Ja!~theghost2@63.142.161.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388921027 90019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although the MMC5 cartridge does include a hardware register for multiplication.) < 1388921236 220189 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.pr0gramm.com/2012/07/tfcu4.png < 1388921272 130851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ARM in the Nintendo DS has a hardware integer multiplication (and multiply-accumulate) instruction, but no division; however, the DS adds a separate memory-mapped (64- and 32-bit) integer division and square-root device. < 1388921312 203456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Regaining my lost channels < 1388921343 40107 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388921468 940056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is true even as early as ARMv2, I think; it has multiplication but not division instruction. < 1388921486 140352 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: wondering what linux looks like at this < 1388921609 830106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518UgTYS4UL._SY300_.jpg perhaps? < 1388921713 669925 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unlikely < 1388922039 720741 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nzocljueoqntcmma JOIN :#esoteric < 1388922842 754978 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:91fe:a833:1d36:651d JOIN :#esoteric < 1388923075 723093 :Sorella!~queen@oftn/member/Sorella JOIN :#esoteric < 1388924183 741695 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1388924471 400497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is article in Esolang wiki relating to some Japanese book. However, it mentions "Starry" and "Bolic", which are red links. < 1388924503 990584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication? the 6502 doesn't even have proper shift instructions. < 1388924547 520095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The 6502 can shift one at a time, although there isn't any arithmetic right shift. < 1388924610 190242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: exactly < 1388924626 870939 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-61.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1388924673 492821 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-61.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1388924673 693101 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388924719 870607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fake it, though, for example CMP #$80 ROR A (I think) < 1388924742 880255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication is quite a lot to ask. Z80 doesn't have it either. < 1388924746 160524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: something like that, yes < 1388924780 350439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, even 386 didn't have a fast multiplication < 1388924791 350130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did have a multiplication instruction but it took ages < 1388924820 650309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only later, near the pentiums, when they added a multiplication circuit so we can now perform multiplication fast < 1388925403 912390 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1388925407 812231 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388925431 291741 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1388925431 492058 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388925432 911187 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1388925950 120283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also looking at that Japanese stuff, it reveals another esolang, called "Smile", which also isn't in the wiki. https://github.com/yhara/smile The implementation appears to be incomplete. < 1388926078 10639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't a "semicolon" just be a single dot, anyway? < 1388926151 290251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Finnish name translates literally to "half-dot", incidentally, which is equally illogical.) < 1388926343 470019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think "semicolon" and "half-dot" names are due to their function rather than writing. < 1388926620 341568 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1388926641 957564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Japanese stuff, in addition to Bolic, Starry, and Smile, also mentions HSQ9+ which is HQ9+ with the "S" command to display the steam locomotive (like the "sl" command in some UNIX systems), and Uncontrollable, a brainfuck equivalent using words that mean control structures in Ruby and other programming languages. < 1388926653 61073 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:91fe:a833:1d36:651d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388926726 271268 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:91fe:a833:1d36:651d JOIN :#esoteric < 1388926730 650015 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if we will have ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789+~ eventually < 1388926767 2784 :Slereah_!~jackal@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 will print "88 bottles of beers" < 1388926792 170238 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, 8 is clearly conways game of life < 1388927581 601982 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:91fe:a833:1d36:651d QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1388927588 660000 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/perl/hq9+.pl - good old usenet signature < 1388927969 221456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388928106 500143 :gully_foil_Ja!~theghost2@63.142.161.6 QUIT :Quit: has left chat < 1388928412 30859 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388928682 356432 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388928689 703183 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:18b2:f790:a60:6eff:fece:493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388929409 80048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wonder if there are any other published books about esolangs? < 1388929546 990716 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388930359 550232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't know, but I have read a magazine article once about it (I forget which). < 1388930674 710917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is article in Esolang wiki relating to some Japanese book. However, it mentions "Starry" and "Bolic", which are red links. <-- yeah we are clearly missing some japanese stuff. the only reason we have KEMURI is that i used google translate on wikipedia's japanese esolang page once. < 1388931087 660337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck has probably been mentioned in MEDIA many times. < 1388931112 881073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall some kind of a mention in some Finnish computer magazine. < 1388931382 750916 :AwfulProgrammer_!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nzocljueoqntcmma NICK :AwfulProgrammer < 1388931578 770254 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll look into Starry < 1388931660 280238 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there's a ruby implementation on yhara's book's site < 1388931806 70052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Japanese stuff I have added myself too though < 1388931826 450423 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am once more not in Hexham < 1388931864 710207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I didn't use Google translation; I can read a little bit Japanese, and some may have partial English documentation, and can see the C or Ruby implementations) < 1388932513 990560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I guess you still carry an intangible bit of Hexham with you, in your heart? < 1388932551 900482 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388932555 840610 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I stole the abbey < 1388932578 211628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take the Taneb out of Hexham but you can't take the Hexham out of Taneb < 1388932598 886533 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting a collection of old churches < 1388932630 730105 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oldest church I've been in would either be Hexham Abbey, York Minster, or the Colosseum < 1388932654 71892 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the Pantheon < 1388933230 20076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Panteon, that's the one with the hole in the dome? < 1388933254 270075 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1388933330 970417 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham Abbey is the only one that started out Christian and stayed Christian < 1388933368 920265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the York one started as? < 1388933380 10355 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roman, I think < 1388933386 800794 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it had a bit when it was Norse < 1388934565 71110 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388935079 591202 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Starry there < 1388935908 860157 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388936089 969558 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lyrics.in.th/17527 http://youtu.be/ArvmQBEkzWw < 1388936098 410293 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1388937721 69694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grammar < 1388938010 579727 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1388938133 480372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388938141 280188 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388938488 369276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388938953 458976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1388940363 370900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does endoh3's hint make such a big deal about "what is 89/84?????" it being a number that's being multiplied by and it being a program to output sounds based on note names, it's obviously a "good enough" approximation of the 12th root of 2. < 1388940549 19915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see a "big deal" about it. < 1388940581 430783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's a single bullet point about it. < 1388940601 580114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a single question mark.) < 1388940626 260836 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :scale=10; (89/84)^12=2.0013758126 < 1388940628 600110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty good < 1388940658 838197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hint file mentions a thing that's useful for finding rational approximations, too. < 1388940660 241480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i thought i'd seen it in there twice, but it turns out i had seen it in the spoiler (because i still haven't unrot13'd it) and considered that the second time < 1388940663 740021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :scale=10; ((89/84)^12 - 2)/2 * 100 < 1388940700 709959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of spoiled in the spoiler, but that's presumably why it's called a spoiler. < 1388940719 429924 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's off by only 0.06879% < 1388940726 970085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 isn't good for hiding numerical spoilers < 1388940732 799967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the cbj(2, 1.0 / 12.0) part isn't terribly well-protec... right, that. < 1388940737 820180 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When brought back, anyway < 1388940788 750225 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's off by less than that < 1388940803 380250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i still don't know what a stern-brocot tree is. should i look it up < 1388940810 970702 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00573% off < 1388940822 700042 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very good approximation of 2^(1/12) < 1388940827 910073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Spoiler: it's something that can be useful for locating approximations. < 1388940873 960071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i figured as much. but is it interesting enough to spend minutes on? could i use it to prove that phi is the most irrational number? < 1388940881 652164 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we talking about anyway? < 1388940882 70229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a binary tree that has every (positive) rational number in it, which is maybe funky? < 1388940891 581060 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1388940892 420341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What does most irrational mean? < 1388940940 771465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (196/185)^12 < 1388940942 20244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.999917660227735 < 1388940972 150133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (89/84)^12 < 1388940973 190386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0013758132105313 < 1388940987 690126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: something like "for any large enough given length denominator, the best approximation of phi with denominators of that length will be worse than the best approximations of any other irrational number" < 1388941029 430277 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That sounds like a very difficult and significant thing to prove < 1388941047 520109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i certainly haven't learned how yet < 1388941050 880453 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's think of some irrational numbers < 1388941058 71221 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any square root of a prime < 1388941063 630320 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fixed point of cos < 1388941073 590534 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :e, pi and phi < 1388941097 671424 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if the non-zero fixed points of tan are irrational < 1388941108 110482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: they are < 1388941125 410001 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: also, the entire sequence of golden sections and silver sections < 1388941148 1282 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most multiples of irrational numbers are irrational < 1388941169 969872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the multiples < 1388941186 620046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, just enumerating more irrationals < 1388941261 350237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All transcendental numbers are irrational, I believe. < 1388941270 381254 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true < 1388941273 590299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rational approximations are intimately related to continued fractions, and 1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+ ... ))) = phi has a tail of 1s which is about the worst that can happen. (Cutting the continued fraction off just before a large number typically results in good approximations.) < 1388941294 90040 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even harder to prove something is transcendental though < 1388941333 540719 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You can convert many continued fractions into recursive relations and solve them < 1388941350 480345 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there, you'd get 1/(1+phi) = phi < 1388941373 122107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes. But that's besides the point, since phi itself is not rational. < 1388941373 322952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given #esoteric, I guess it's mandatory to also mention Chaitin's constant. < 1388941373 541547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that right < 1388941417 920846 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We can't even give an approximation for that < 1388941420 350300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you truncate the continued fraction you get rational approximations of phi: 0/1, 1/1, 1/2, 2/3, 3/5, 5/8, 8/13, 13/21, etc. < 1388941448 170762 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Isn't that 1/phi? < 1388941456 170122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You can always give an approximation, it just might not be any good. < 1388941457 950204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: right. < 1388941491 700295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the solution to your recurrence relation (as a sequence) is F_{n+1}/F_n < 1388941500 970855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We can't even tell how good an approximation is though < 1388941507 241226 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DARK BLACK HEART < 1388941512 475998 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388941518 320290 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1388941533 67670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, 1/2 is not more than 1/2 away. < 1388941547 319915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Levy's constant :D < 1388941570 930059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: But 1+1/(1+1/(1+1/(1+ ... ))) is almost the same. 1/1, 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, 13/8 etc. < 1388941585 490080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's list definable numbers with nonfinite descriptions < 1388941590 650246 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :13/8 is a nice time signature. < 1388941632 81368 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i know a rock song in 13/8, that wasn't broken in the way that led zeppelin's drummer broke nice time signatures < 1388941632 281701 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(1+phi) = phi 1 = (1+phi)phi 1 = phi + phi^2 phi^2 + phi + 1 = 0 (phi + 1/2)^2 - 1/4 + 1 = 0 (phi + 1/2)^2 = -3/4 phi + 1/2 = sqrt(-3/4) I did something wrong < 1388941643 750213 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi + 1/2 doesn't have a complex part ): < 1388941662 900424 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = phi + phi^2 phi^2 + phi + 1 = 0 < 1388941668 309986 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean -1 < 1388941670 530258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right < 1388941680 80478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that solves the minus problem < 1388941726 140666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi^2 + phi - 1 = 0 (phi + 1/2)^2 - 1/4 - 1 = 0 phi + 1/2 = sqrt(5)/2 phi = (sqrt(5) + 1)/2 < 1388941729 380281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1388941736 591101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi = 3 + 1/(7+1/(15+(1/(1+1/(292+...)))) gives the great approximation 355/113 of pi. (Off by about 1/3748629) < 1388941746 490233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was worried I might get 1/phi instead by accident < 1388941747 700586 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know any definable numbers with (only) infinite descriptions? < 1388941755 430685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 355/113 = 3+1/(7+1/(15+1/1)) < 1388941783 610248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: didn't the ancient chinese know that approximation? < 1388941970 930172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if they did. < 1388942162 723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest way to approximate pi is to draw a circle and measure it < 1388942243 960714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the other silver sections are the ones with continued fractions [2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,...] and [3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,...] etc. < 1388942293 410991 :Chillectual!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388942310 930571 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know what I did < 1388942313 311540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1+sqrt(2) < 1388942315 550347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is one < 1388942320 90124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the square root without putting in ± < 1388942321 213478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first one) < 1388942376 441533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsu_Chung-Chih < 1388942396 981712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He obtained the result by approximating a circle with a 12,288 (= 2^12 × 3) sided polygon" < 1388942400 561848 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: making a circle and measuring it seems a lot more difficult than writing a program that generates a sequence that converges to pi, and kill the program when it gets close enough < 1388943029 920230 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Try doing that when you find yourself stuck 3000 years in the past < 1388943033 750369 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does unicode contain rod numerals? < 1388943116 971441 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝍠𝍡𝍢𝍣𝍤𝍥𝍦𝍧𝍨𝍩𝍪𝍫𝍬𝍭𝍮𝍯𝍰𝍱 These? < 1388943121 43244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you said easiest. you didn't say easiest on pen and paper. nonetheless, i could do so, and it would still probably get good approximations faster than making and measuring a circle < 1388943133 510412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: those aren't in my font < 1388943181 900173 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I never mentioned pen and paper < 1388943207 610338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning < 1388943211 880230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm pretty sure i just said you didn't say that :P < 1388943212 300185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good morning < 1388943212 500736 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm... my fnord bad enough already. :) at least fnord.) < 1388943232 921187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do as well with brush and paper, or counting rods, as with pen and paper < 1388943233 850904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a bad fnord?!?? < 1388943234 131069 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: every time you accidentally put it only. we do have a wristwatch which runs scheme, now that we have a good point :) < 1388943235 907912 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know the mathematics to calculate pi that easily.. < 1388943252 911308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: does your wristwatch support time travel via continuations? < 1388943253 111630 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and it is maybe not so much big iron as lots of little pieces of information... < 1388943256 980159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i do < 1388943269 370805 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was thinking chalk and long rope < 1388943313 90596 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: keep the rope. i'll do the calculation by hand with the chalk :D < 1388945100 960803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode arabic digit nine < 1388945102 621298 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown character. < 1388945166 700069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode arabic-indic digit nine < 1388945168 100477 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​٩ < 1388945186 10104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ৭٩ < 1388945187 410376 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+09ED BENGALI DIGIT SEVEN] [U+0669 ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT NINE] < 1388945229 650022 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1388946017 101018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is clearly larger, at least in my rendering here. < 1388946261 883387 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here too < 1388946272 301556 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it is written down... < 1388946292 230494 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one is somewhat larger for me < 1388946510 901259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The left one is a litle bit more fat than the right one < 1388946519 880314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my rendering here. < 1388946622 560657 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look like they come from different fonts here. < 1388946927 740422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konvoersation'se capabilit or weird y ypos: apparently if it's laggin enough legters can atpear out p order < 1388947003 500740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(left over from te previoush line: "of") < 1388947180 810405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :say more things! < 1388947197 60045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let ine type somemhing really fast aid just prens return as see what ndappens < 1388947224 160066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tin" at th" e start osthat line f appear to ave behn from anoeher chanelt) < 1388947251 673646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ort of UIscan end up reading ke s out of oyder? < 1388947255 141080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a p. serious bug < 1388947268 119848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reah < 1388947279 80121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometiys it takesmelike 20 s onds befoece the lettrrs appear < 1388947297 920579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even thoughemost of th others have already eeen sentb < 1388947332 250529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that'stupid < 1388947342 410233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ths newline fe om the endro the prev us messagio sent a meesage for ms in anotherechannel < 1388947345 521037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l ke 40 secoids later < 1388947357 490062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n,,,, < 1388947357 771720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bug ever < 1388947374 470127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1388947392 910111 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1388947402 260854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsorse becauw I can't setype becau my hand ses damaged < 1388947411 712601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ind I can'a sensibltfix the ry sulting tyes < 1388947550 419882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe you should use a different client < 1388947584 310565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very very difficult to read < 1388948063 101646 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388948350 940850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is like an automatic modern poetry mode. < 1388948515 559829 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought megahal was the height of that < 1388948535 229540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION experiments with writing their comments in a text editor, then copy-pasting
< 1388948549 64331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that seems to work quite well < 1388948620 219490 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I still think you should switch clients < 1388948643 399450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :II'm not nomally in archannel wi h 1000+ utrs < 1388948705 269513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "Oh well, if you prefer, I can recognize handwriting," said the imp proudly. "I'm quite advanced." Vimes pulled out his notebook and held it up. "Like this?" he said. The imp squinted for a moment. "Yep," it said. "That's handwriting, sure enough. Curly bits, spiky bits, all joined together. Yep. Handwriting. I'd recognize it anywhere." "Aren't you supposed to tell me what it say?" The demon looked wary. "Says?" it... < 1388948711 329318 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...said. "It's supposed to make noises?" < 1388948934 479603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It must be one of those super-efficient multithreaded applications. < 1388949133 839337 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey it might even be a security feature. After all, you're not supposed to trust user input. So you better process each character in its own sandbox! < 1388949219 857533 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-166-157.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388949293 449749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388949719 538952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388950131 802503 :iamcal_!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-buvytfcwlmooppyx JOIN :#esoteric < 1388950180 769467 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388950212 203597 :iamcal!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-czkqufoitxhmjdmk QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388950212 613209 :iamcal_!sid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-buvytfcwlmooppyx NICK :iamcal < 1388950213 939158 :oklopol_!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388950265 849016 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388950266 162859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1388950359 228901 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1388950601 378979 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388950795 78525 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951008 969021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"static int running = 1;" real useful code < 1388951029 598536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does actually set running to 0 on interrupt < 1388951042 468549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind < 1388951393 104486 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388951403 408864 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951450 529775 :myndzi\!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951456 629139 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1388951479 179177 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1388951484 279442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day I learned about sigatomic_t < 1388951493 240000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you're supposed to use for such variables, when they would be updated from a signal handler < 1388951508 994846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many integer types does standard C+POSIX have? "a lot" < 1388951595 82228 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951609 15774 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951609 215934 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951609 216084 :qlkzy!qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951609 416287 :CADD!uid21876@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukxbjokcwwtzhwco QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951609 416488 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iohrvcytpvlwlzvm QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388951618 387238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 10, all the others are aliases for one of those 10 < 1388951618 700475 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.70.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951641 702907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant including aliases, since what the aliases resolve to is platform-dependent < 1388951741 19937 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmdugglldqatqplz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951782 218461 :gully_foil_Ja!~theghost2@63.142.161.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951815 485726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why would all the other types need to be aliases of standard integer types? < 1388951839 190464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think they are by definition, not sure though < 1388951844 379235 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmdugglldqatqplz NICK :upgrayeddd_ < 1388951845 344379 :upgrayeddd_!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmdugglldqatqplz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1388951856 478975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C allows for an unlimited amount of extended signed integer types, and I don't think most named integer types are restricted to be one of the standard ones. < 1388951866 464376 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-161.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1388951913 68636 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vyvhsnhnddsfiqxv JOIN :#esoteric < 1388951943 422650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the types are at least only required to denote "a -- integer type" with no further qualifications. < 1388951966 299574 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388952057 38932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1388952088 499048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In any case, "a lot" sounds like a proper answer for the original including-aliases question, since how many distinct underlying types there are is obviously implementation-defined.) < 1388952104 428346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random fact: POSIX makes time_t an integer type. < 1388952123 429749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 allows any real type, and C99 allows any arithmetic type, including complex types.) < 1388952133 858490 :JZTech102!~JZTech101@5.231.53.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388952136 897313 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:jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388954208 748886 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@192.3.160.190 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388954209 175636 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388954209 376022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1388954209 809478 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1388954211 884066 :scarf!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954212 84301 :scarf!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1388954212 84428 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954214 290134 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1388954315 953545 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-130-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954316 153877 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954316 153999 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954316 154111 :Gracenotes!~person@192.241.203.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388954316 154181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1388955309 776529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww. I didn't get a botnet for christmas. < 1388955464 770054 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted one. < 1388955471 719517 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it got shipped to the wrong place. < 1388955503 149435 :Mindless1!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: Mindless1 < 1388956035 437712 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1388956755 233651 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made an arch image with unetbootin, put it on a stick, booted from. get dmesg whining about not being able to deal with the stick, and i get dumped to a shell excet oh wait no job control and no tty so i have to hard boot, fuuuuuck computers < 1388956766 425700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you package up a botnet under a christmas tree, anyway? < 1388956896 642054 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1388957550 220668 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you get the C&C server name and credentials on a card, I suppose < 1388957700 228640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex time_t < 1388957701 908969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1388957733 243611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is a float; lunchtime doubly so < 1388957812 733816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy justification for a complex time_t: it discourages people from assuming unportable things about the ordering of the values; something they might do if it was a real type. < 1388957857 40885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a type error to use ordering operators on complex types? < 1388957887 578422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a constraint violation, yes. < 1388957913 578669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the following shall hold: - both operands have real type; or - both operands are pointers to qualified or unqualified versions of compatible object types." < 1388957928 68368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear having multiple time(like) dimensions makes physics boring, unless you have one spacelike and three timelike in which case it's just like this < 1388958560 928652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, huh, I have installed arch from an usb stick before I *think*. Yeah pretty sure. < 1388958578 288372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember if I used unetbootin though, was ages ago < 1388958611 468456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most distros these days provide an image you can dd onto your USB stick < 1388958619 408593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them even manage for it to be the same file as the .iso, through hax < 1388958653 30385 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i did. < 1388958674 444489 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should mean i don't hve to care about partition tables or anything, shouldn't it? < 1388958679 763236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1388958692 140015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make sure you dd it to /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 if that's what the instructions sya < 1388958745 78186 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the instructions say that specifically. but then parted tells me the partition table is fucked up so i thought that might be related. < 1388958793 478203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't need to have a partition table < 1388959026 56428 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, since i get usb errors either way < 1388959077 263304 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought maybe i connected the internal cables wrong but i can read from the usb stick (with a filesystem, not after dd) from an old hard disk plugged in the same puter < 1388959143 88533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+5, use of the word "puter" < 1388959164 879468 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it's doing. it's puting < 1388959182 358187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIKON: What, your mom buy you a 'puter for Christmas? < 1388959192 198706 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACK THE PLANET. < 1388959215 28033 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :ZeroCool < 1388959221 501494 :ZeroCool!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baahahaha, this name is taken. < 1388959241 469137 :ZeroCool!~RJones@cpe-76-178-249-81.maine.res.rr.com NICK :LinearInterpol < 1388959318 328822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/mnxmnkmnd/status/419951311396667392/photo/1/large i can't even tell what's doing an error -32, it isn't libusb < 1388959479 928410 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A42892.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1388959512 212048 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1388959844 995491 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1388960221 259236 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388960287 272338 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Client Quit < 1388960664 782904 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvvscwxqlofzeyxr JOIN :#esoteric < 1388960680 605728 :_46bit!sid10106@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvvscwxqlofzeyxr QUIT :Changing host < 1388960680 807259 :_46bit!sid10106@pdpc/supporter/student/mmokrysz JOIN :#esoteric < 1388960931 408413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1388961548 38952 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1388961698 238465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1388962002 538289 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1388962054 418156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1388962292 618908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (2**(1/12)) < 1388962293 878539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,16,1,4,2,7,1,1,2,2,7,4,1,2,1,59,1,3,2,1,17,1,13,1,1,1,2,1,1,4,2,6,2,81,17... < 1388962400 941532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+1/(16+1/(1+1%4)) < 1388962401 998804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 89 % 84 < 1388962406 508143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1388962458 363027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia 89/84 is not just a good enough approximation of 2**(1/12), but a continued fraction cutoff. < 1388962458 563359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1388962480 998531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+1/(16+1/(1+1/(4+1/2))) < 1388962482 118321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0594594594594595 < 1388962487 118658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so restarting my client fixed it < 1388962488 98008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1+1/(16+1/(1+1/(4+1/2)))::Rational < 1388962488 978364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 196 % 185 < 1388962543 508577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The hint file explicitly mentions that "I found this approximation by using Stern-Brocot tree", for the record. < 1388962557 839147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that would do it. < 1388962654 588288 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388963013 608510 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate cos 0 < 1388963014 588658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.0,1.0,0.5403023058681398,0.8575532158463934,0.6542897904977791,0.79348035... < 1388963018 399997 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate cos 0 !! 10000 < 1388963019 478891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.7390851332151607 < 1388963022 379682 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this number < 1388963030 758553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how well it approximates < 1388963155 978594 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 < 1388963166 830592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty well < 1388963189 238982 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I mean, in the continued fraction kind of way < 1388963195 448368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what the continued fraction for it would be < 1388963302 468749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac 0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 < 1388963303 648767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,1,4,1,40,1,9,4,2,1,15,2,12,1,10,1,2,13,1,2,1,4,6,1,2,1,20,3,1,1,2,1,2... < 1388963367 118473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 :: CReal) < 1388963370 518473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what kind of pattern that is < 1388963370 864784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1388963374 18188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 :: CReal) < 1388963377 688481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1388963380 282889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (0.739085133215160641655312087673873404013 :: Float) < 1388963381 335419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,1,4,1,40,1,8,5,2,3,19,2,10,1,1,3,3,4,1,1,21,1,6,2,2,1,5,32,4,15,2,3,1... < 1388963402 922401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: quite likely there is no pattern. < 1388963437 48640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (exp 1) < 1388963438 109529 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1,1,8,1,1,10,1,1,12,1,1,11,3,2,1,3,1,73,6,1,1,1,1,1,2,31,... < 1388963438 309733 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks random to me < 1388963453 258047 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the fixed point of cos one < 1388963511 229574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a pattern until the 11,3,2 part < 1388963542 858218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that's because of floating point error, e actually has a regular pattern. < 1388963547 568316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in cfrac (exp 2) < 1388963548 688669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7,2,1,1,3,18,5,1,1,6,30,8,1,1,12,1,1,24,1,1,1,19,92,3,3,1,1,1,1,1,5,4,3,1,1... < 1388963566 467998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm hard to tell there < 1388963571 301096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388963579 270261 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1,1 is an occuring pattern though < 1388963594 419861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does look like there's something 1,1,3*2^n going on < 1388963631 818516 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it goes 1 1 1 19 < 1388963639 828230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with strangely random intermediate steps. < 1388963662 348988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the 19 is probably after floating point errors start to hurt < 1388963681 418357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram alpha gives an accurate continued fraction for the cos fixed point < 1388963700 408078 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the pattern is though < 1388963700 608095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in take 50 $ cfrac (exp 2 :: CReal) < 1388963704 169036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1388963711 668424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let cfrac x | isInfinite x = [] | otherwise = f : cfrac (1/(x - fromIntegral f)) where f = floor x in take 30 $ cfrac (exp 2 :: CReal) < 1388963713 268323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7,2,1,1,3,18,5,1,1,6,30,8,1,1,9,42,11,1,1,12,54,14,1,1,15,66,17,1,1,18] < 1388963725 818394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get mostly small numbers with large numbers interspersed < 1388963728 169658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1388963741 448373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the 12 was a fluke < 1388963768 408083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1388963777 388320 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually a 9 < 1388963778 998394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's more regular than it looked at first < 1388963787 387068 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-213-235.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1388963799 950849 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :3,6,9,12,15... < 1388963828 558229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's pretty regular < 1388963833 629148 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you see patterns with multiples of 3 < 1388963836 668536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the intermediate numbers still look a little random < 1388963884 428548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait 18,30,42 increase by 12 each step < 1388963885 828514 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-141.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388963911 38771 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5,6,8,9,12,14,15,18 < 1388963911 239083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :7,2, then 1,1,3n,6+12n,2+3n repeating < 1388963911 239253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 5,8,11 by 3. so it's entirely regular. < 1388963923 48645 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shut up Taneb < 1388964064 148821 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let esquared = 7:2:concatMap (\n -> [1,1,3*n,6+12*n,2+3*n])[1..] in esquared < 1388964065 173659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7,2,1,1,3,18,5,1,1,6,30,8,1,1,9,42,11,1,1,12,54,14,1,1,15,66,17,1,1,18,78,2... < 1388964082 668405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Identical < 1388964128 858857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\x y -> x + 1/y) [1..50] < 1388964130 58341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Typeable.Internal.Typeable t0) < 1388964130 258675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M187550738534485867012888.show_M1875507385344858670... < 1388964130 258830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable `t0' is ambiguous < 1388964130 258929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1388964130 259022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: there are several potential instances: < 1388964137 828590 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooooooooooo < 1388964141 124849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr1 (\x y -> x + 1/y) [1..50] < 1388964142 415788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.4331274267223117 < 1388964222 488313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this kind of step linear sequence is related to e in general, then so should this number. < 1388964292 628856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr1 (\x y -> x + 1/y) [1..100] < 1388964293 678820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.4331274267223117 < 1388964342 855362 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1388964345 345806 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 / 2 < 1388964346 407027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.3591409142295225 < 1388964353 204281 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 0.5 < 1388964354 248624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.6487212707001282 < 1388964356 508378 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1388964363 158589 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp 1 < 1388964363 359425 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth a shot :) < 1388964364 228532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.718281828459045 < 1388964372 98968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inverse symbolic calculator says it might be BesI(0,2)/BesI(1,2) < 1388964377 170413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look very e'y < 1388964379 448500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's BesI? < 1388964389 988914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something bessier i suspect < 1388964407 129423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to use maple functions < 1388964407 409088 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wasn't raining I'd go for a wander < 1388964649 538587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's bessel. wikipedia mentions it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction#Regular_patterns_in_continued_fractions < 1388964652 988687 :Taneb!~Taneb@213.138.101.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, it's really tipping it down < 1388964702 368987 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wait < 1388964711 448902 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it true that cos(pi/5) = phi/2? < 1388964731 438335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: hm something like that, yes. < 1388964733 648354 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2*cos(pi/5) < 1388964734 744358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1388964741 918419 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-141.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1388964756 868789 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sqrt 5 + 1)/2 < 1388964757 888620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.618033988749895 < 1388964769 358347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that the golden section is involved in constructing regular pentagons. < 1388964785 384270 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan i'm still here in channel. hi lambdabot. < 1388964808 468477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh right you were complaining. i also said i might not remember it. < 1388964863 229189 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is freenode still being ddosed? < 1388964950 159045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in fact i recall there's a very nice visual proof that the golden ratio is irrational based on inscribing pentagons in each other. even simpler than for sqrt(2). < 1388964971 218636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly five-pointed stars. < 1388965139 197317 :atrapado!~dro@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1388965605 841389 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-141.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1388965728 298858 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-106.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1388965840 579013 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.100.12 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg