< 1387584019 973441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVISIBLE HAND WITH RAISED MIDDLE FINGER < 1387584181 350156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you think there's a reason China is cracking down on Bitcoin, other than to preserve capital controls? < 1387584232 310512 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i know! capital controls seems like an adequate enough reason though < 1387584247 218090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I think it's fair to say they are bringing a certain narrow kind of "freedom" to china < 1387584262 595655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not political freedom certainly < 1387584309 940310 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be neat if the government came out with Bitcoin with Chinese Characteristics < 1387584310 886259 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you were replying to that < 1387584348 791744 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is yuan with pictures of circuit boards taped to them < 1387584431 685725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1t5fo1/to_the_omg_bitcoin_is_dead_people_jesus_christ/ce4uwjh < 1387584435 611818 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :all according to keikaku < 1387584439 971393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This collaboration between the crowdsourcing website Quirky and industrial giant GE (GE, Fortune 500) wirelessly connects to your mobile device to track the number of eggs you have and tell you when they're going bad." $70 < 1387584497 452209 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol < 1387584512 546461 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that a cite of fortune 500 or, what's going on there < 1387584556 930295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a link to stock shit < 1387584591 856137 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i was wondering if they expected name recognition for Quirky but not GE, or what < 1387584600 798932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1387584686 607807 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-163.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387584745 579189 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-50.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387584833 949833 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-163.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1387584844 310592 :muskrat_!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-50.psoas.suomi.net NICK :muskrat < 1387585056 88220 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Dogecoinwallet.jpg/800px-Dogecoinwallet.jpg oh, i see. < 1387586025 11227 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387587265 674490 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387588078 263960 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387588851 959662 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387588951 693383 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387588952 145108 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387591817 459642 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow, much money, such coin < 1387591842 153314 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank < 1387591860 160543 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387591876 621878 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1387592007 9308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: guess who's back < 1387592063 568591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/1tb9qa/haskell_for_all_lift_error_handling_with_lenslike/ce6ap5x < 1387592123 247408 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this pro haskell? that's beaut < 1387592125 526186 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iful < 1387592899 647882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Argh < 1387593071 976795 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-211-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387593177 12133 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-74.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387594234 677904 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-62-74.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1387594346 820574 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387594715 879727 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387595749 457536 :^v!~NotPing@c-71-238-153-166.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif < 1387596257 183609 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i managed to buy 75 bitcents after considerable amounts of banging my head against a technological wall < 1387596285 932460 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you believe the only mobile browser that coinbase works in is opera mini? < 1387596287 776782 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1387596297 316695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :their app doesn't even work < 1387596324 786859 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that cost like four hundred dollars < 1387596336 326140 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just under 500 < 1387596371 977972 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387596429 81432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hoping i can start using btc the way i usually use paypal. the idea of taking payments for things in btc appeals to me somehow. < 1387596464 515485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you bought $500 of bitcoins < 1387596472 461299 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle of an ongoing market crash < 1387596502 85845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the market's been somewhat stable for at least a day now. < 1387596535 989287 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it's a gamble, but it's better than the lottery < 1387596539 562604 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well in that case it's safe to start pouring cash into it! < 1387596563 682375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :robbing an IKEA also has better chances of success than the lottery < 1387596592 229221 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: eh it's less than a week of work and i don't have many expenses right now. i'm in a position to gamble. < 1387596598 325696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stable for a day" < 1387596602 912224 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you call a 20% fluctuation in price 'stable'? < 1387596621 616016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's fairly stable for btc :) < 1387596634 519128 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the joke < 1387596643 39142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a veritable fusillade of facepalm < 1387596647 628648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no it hasn't been fluctuating that much < 1387596656 375927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 5% or so today < 1387596671 599316 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :high: 0.774, low: 0.621 < 1387596676 720704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's more than five percent < 1387596700 379239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think you can get a variance from extrema? < 1387596706 185855 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less than twenty but i am a) eyeballing the figures and b) not spending cash based on them < 1387596738 321023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been between 680 and 720 for 90% of the day < 1387596739 294568 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ICE dollar index DXY -0.12% , a measure of the U.S. unit against six other currencies, fell to 80.824 from 80.986 late Thursday, for a weekly loss of 0.6%." < 1387596742 697061 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this got into the news < 1387596803 720008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do what you want. i don't gamble in casinos, but i could. btc gambling seemed like it'd be more fun :) < 1387596819 539955 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it was stable enough on december 15; there was a crash on december 18 < 1387596837 619129 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that crash predicated my purchase. < 1387596878 836078 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody hell, i can see why they call it the dunning-krugerrand < 1387596884 288384 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387596888 571627 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked like the china-ban-related crashing was done. so i bought. < 1387596931 938465 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip ph < 1387597006 818306 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bike. do you think i'm crazy or do you think coinbase is crazy for working on so few browsers? < 1387597039 418406 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiming for wider support than opera seems sensible enough < 1387597182 615751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in opera it only works jerkily and painfully < 1387597204 95878 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how a company could fail so hard < 1387598463 715094 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there a "because" combinator? < 1387598822 822612 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-50.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387599294 620246 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387599566 756580 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-215-185.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1387599664 819484 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-93-29.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387600149 999862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there are format for instrument files to use with .MOD that have a transpose value built-in too? < 1387601569 805204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1387601626 609274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish there were enough of a bitcoin options market to compute implied volatility < 1387601635 180235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be neat < 1387601712 360485 :mauke_!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke JOIN :#esoteric < 1387601713 712231 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1387601796 321507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sing me a song < 1387601796 545700 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if that is deserved though). i don't care about its value; i care about anything < 1387601807 868719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you would do anything for love but you won't do that? < 1387601808 90139 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: eval ( begin ( task1) ( task2))) is ( 0 3) 1 < 1387601826 432104 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1387602047 912772 :mauke_!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke NICK :mauke < 1387602565 13121 :tswett!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387603924 461698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this rotating temple (which, for some reason, is built right on top of an apartment???), one of the rooms contains a statue, having a description of two sentences. The first one was there before, and the second one I added today. Is it better now? "This is a large statue of something having a lot of eyes, mouths, tentacles, hands, claws, teeth, and stuff that nobody understands, all in the sideways and wrong order. Strangely enough, it appears < 1387603930 839992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this message get cut off? < 1387603939 243275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thing me a thong < 1387603942 224579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the second sentence better than the first one? < 1387603943 140060 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-93-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, it appears < 1387603945 838376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :þ < 1387603948 539023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::þ < 1387603953 764037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely enough, it appears that even being turned 360 degrees, it is different than it was before; 720 degrees makes it the same, though." < 1387603995 46683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1387604005 584407 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this for you d&d campaign? < 1387604014 486186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is for ifMUD. < 1387604032 232023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it could be used in D&D campaign too, perhaps. < 1387604048 362774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a mud. that was going to be my second guess < 1387604099 788695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it better now like this? < 1387604176 881566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1387604228 175441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the added sentence is pretty much nonsense < 1387604248 611482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not < 1387604306 392454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be equivalent to say "after rotating one full turn, it does not appear the same as before, but after two full turns, it does"? < 1387604329 864446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, that is equivalent, it is what I meant. < 1387604390 757671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the thing changes as you rotate it. neat. < 1387604400 194303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could build a statue like that < 1387605559 777645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time you read a LWN article and the first comment is spender railing about how everyone is an idiot, take a shot < 1387606520 607892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :LWN? < 1387606530 443638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/ < 1387607283 192970 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/Articles/576785/ < 1387607354 845579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was reminded of this game by http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/577432/4c0c4ca28678daa8/ < 1387607387 482043 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-93-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1387607999 149033 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is already trivially circumvented via a single function usable by any other exploit, present in enlightenment:" < 1387608002 188201 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that about? < 1387608061 319213 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1387608062 432282 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spender's code shows that it's actually easy to look for signs of fixes in the kernel image before trying any exploit, thus defeating the detection scheme. " < 1387608215 161652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"enlightenment" is his framework for writing exploits < 1387608240 41149 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-93-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i was thinking it was the window manager (not sarcasm) < 1387608311 874760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1387609134 41614 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1387609787 362874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387610535 70867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to buy hugcoins < 1387610545 128050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're based on proof-of-hug < 1387615550 549849 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1387615955 321045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to prove that the hug was consensual? < 1387616801 571305 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trypꙮphobia < 1387616997 716252 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1387617077 993751 :Slereah_!Slereah_@ANantes-259-1-200-42.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is logical implication ever used in programming? < 1387617092 474297 :Slereah_!Slereah_@ANantes-259-1-200-42.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to always be the symmetric logical operators that get in < 1387617249 365407 :Slereah_!Slereah_@ANantes-259-1-200-42.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog does apparently, which makes sense < 1387617259 359045 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: → in many type systems is isomorphic to logical implication. < 1387617288 805893 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, in all type systems that are isomorphic to constructive logic < 1387617300 818635 :Slereah_!Slereah_@ANantes-259-1-200-42.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many are, though < 1387617336 102828 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Idris, Coq and Agda might have type systems like that < 1387617357 939461 :Slereah_!Slereah_@ANantes-259-1-200-42.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any of them! < 1387617470 93033 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> in Haskell is isomorphic to logical implication. < 1387618144 819190 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1387618431 548915 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-37-49-6-33.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387618565 818966 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387618964 822027 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haskell's type system isn't fully turing complete without extensions < 1387619270 804930 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn34-127.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1387620499 108530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1387623014 346306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia so the thing changes as you rotate it. neat. <-- maybe zzo38 was inspired by fermion physics. < 1387623014 577729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1387623204 901871 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think electrons are like that < 1387623408 582684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, electrons are fermions. < 1387623419 732965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also protons and neutrons. < 1387623658 993465 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1387623675 37186 :Slereah_!Slereah_@ANantes-259-1-200-42.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1387623779 96439 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1387623958 479560 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1387624238 36316 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387627251 95069 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387628174 50791 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1387628689 405275 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387629515 729516 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387629608 462261 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1387629649 907571 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387630075 36714 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387630851 733591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1387632046 942002 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387632722 633089 :AwfulProgrammer!uid11324@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uauifryqeazkoygw QUIT : < 1387632741 847274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Woodcutter Simulator 2013 allows the player to control and operate an entire lumber mill. From clearing woods to the evacuation of the logs, the player has to undertake all arising tasks to complete numerous missions – from cutting trees for demanding customers to producing woodchips for heating purposes." < 1387632749 98477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole sim game genre is kinda weird. < 1387632781 257104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Features: Work with the chainsaw in 1st-person-view" well I guess that sounds quite gamey. < 1387632817 956066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1387633038 399746 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387634432 51981 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387634571 777439 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's like gears of war, but the enemies are a little bit more...wooden < 1387634617 59127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1387634705 583080 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1387634839 999782 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.12.100.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1387634901 868120 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387635172 562085 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387635485 992723 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387636037 989871 :Slereahphone!~slereahph@80.10.161.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387636716 313394 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1387637639 992064 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1387637655 21857 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1387637662 524239 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 QUIT : < 1387637676 973225 :Slereah!~jackal@176.222.51.233 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387638505 789657 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1387638644 487357 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387638760 178896 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1387638803 563824 :conehead!uid16140@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skqsfmlekhessody NICK :conehead_ < 1387638836 269191 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1387638843 855684 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1387638935 553642 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387639123 980860 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1387639224 218895 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1387639256 936364 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1387639353 959677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387639416 535003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1387639518 32905 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1387640350 32976 :jconn!~va@1-130.ipswich.cc.colocall.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387641182 832889 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1387641343 766222 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1387641568 431997 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1387641713 976727 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1387642800 145706 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387643067 971416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1387643698 775143 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387643974 21528 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1387646050 282472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'morning < 1387646066 977423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: woodchips for heating purposes but not for mushroom-growing purposes? < 1387646074 101001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you grow on woodchips? < 1387646074 422399 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 34580840+0 records out of vectors, i guess that < 1387646147 186200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :'fternoon < 1387646159 146186 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you grow mushrooms? < 1387646159 488446 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: in the monad io. its type is provable in classical first order logic theory evaluator. and pronounce it " faulty". < 1387646323 906603 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some neighbor is sawing or grinding something... loudly :( < 1387646375 615736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that used to happen to me a lot a while back, but it stopped < 1387646382 815973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they finished whatever it was they were building < 1387646435 168946 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1387647907 181492 :Halite!uid7873@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzajfyfyjqtahkbn NICK :HaliteTablet < 1387648650 873029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they gave up and threw it into the ocean < 1387648658 249189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Halite < 1387648818 997288 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.187.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387650376 645593 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-93-29.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are wood stoves bad < 1387650423 850393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear you can buy wood stoves for poor people. < 1387650447 966811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you grow mushrooms in the IO monad? < 1387650448 276192 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if b clones the vlr. its at that point vatican was the ruling power, and it looks good < 1387650462 279913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Okay, it sounds p. difficult. < 1387650462 912447 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good then. as kate refuses to *edit* binary files just fine now with readelf. ( i was designing it in my face when a calendar item is due, other than sharing the monitor with a box, and does the winner get a cut. unless you stole it. < 1387650556 270587 :LinearInterpol!~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1387650727 862334 :Bike_!~Glossina@71.222.125.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387650817 657820 :Bike!~Glossina@216-161-93-29.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1387650818 908303 :Bike_!~Glossina@71.222.125.128 NICK :Bike < 1387650877 94599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you know anything about growing mushrooms in the monad io? thxplz < 1387650899 78980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm particularly interested in 1up mushrooms < 1387650908 248652 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I defer to fungot, the resident expert on IO-monadic mushroom growing < 1387650908 550217 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hi, seems you too are taking fnord to a fnord interrupt things, to go with < 1387650917 61190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mushroom growing is all about purity, avoiding contamination < 1387650940 966927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm okay with unsafeMushrooms < 1387650989 409061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not :'( < 1387651000 838550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the usual result is that you get no mushrooms at all, only mold and bacteria < 1387651049 313173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can i grow Maybe 1up mushrooms? < 1387651064 44231 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387651069 776564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 1up mushroom is like a green A. muscaria < 1387651090 430362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no actual mushroom that looks like that < 1387651094 566876 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but amanita don't let you cheat death afaik < 1387651095 451610 :Bike!~Glossina@71.222.125.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387651100 826028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the opposite < 1387651106 981201 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1387651114 323959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_phalloides is kinda green and it's one of the most poisonous mushrooms there is < 1387651150 46346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i i grew them with the monad io they would be life-giving rather than -taking < 1387651170 799037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you might need a comonad for that < 1387651212 238036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1387651636 696208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just exploded a glass in this cafe < 1387651645 195391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i got hit in the face by flying glass < 1387651682 941892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1387651687 136107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you okay? < 1387651708 432148 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-23-123-235.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387651715 190193 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fine < 1387651718 862326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1387651723 780005 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not safe to walk in here < 1387651734 100491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanello < 1387651743 921763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a delicious chocolate bar < 1387651762 627573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was. but i ate it all < 1387651809 488531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1387652063 189441 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-23-123-235.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1387652065 542639 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1387652121 328531 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387652363 102330 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net PART :#esoteric < 1387652751 342405 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/YZVtLW3.jpg i love rich people < 1387652963 951213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks we love you too Bike < 1387652979 721031 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is another "proposal" by some VC nerd) < 1387652990 81505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody pointed out that this would be a significant net increase in Republican senate seats < 1387653012 489211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unclear if the proposers want that or just don't realize it < 1387653027 209660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you see http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/the_next_silicon_valley/2013/12/silicon_valley_s_invasion_of_san_francisco_not_quite_the_ayn_rand_nightmare.html < 1387653104 689541 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, nice < 1387653108 895686 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"many of them don’t know who Cesar Chavez was" D: < 1387653148 581606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am the spirit of César Chávez." "Then why do you look like César Romero?" "Because you don't know what César Chávez looks like." < 1387653178 469355 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need a new film like American Psycho < 1387653189 415590 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fucking business card scene man, i crack up every time < 1387653211 860719 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the modern version would be talking about how minimalist your website's design is < 1387653252 811090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really should watch that movie < 1387653430 300257 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good article though < 1387653531 351503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does cesar chavez relate to silicon valley? < 1387653719 102938 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn34-127.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1387653815 761911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that paragraph is talking about techies moving into the Mission and being ignorant of the cultural history < 1387654133 641201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lives 1 block from Cesar Chavez St. < 1387654253 119590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1387654289 59061 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say all the streets are named after him but i forgot if that was tre :V < 1387654533 366571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Cesar_Chavez#Major_streets < 1387654710 769524 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, like twenty schools just in cali < 1387654952 188164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile in florida http://newsone.com/2814127/florida-school-named-after-kkk-grand-wizard-gets-new-name/ < 1387655046 907524 :preflex!~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex JOIN :#esoteric < 1387655073 974171 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: remember shit perl is pretty awesome you can almost right as you speek < 1387655116 293761 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387655676 333093 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1387655708 444375 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387656009 475561 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-4570a22a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1387656368 543580 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1387656584 558943 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1tcpb4/rsa_took_10m_from_nsa_to_make_backdoored_dual_ec/ < 1387656601 642306 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it's been 'allegedly' backdoored, that the algorithm hasn't been proven to be backdoored? < 1387656625 981289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's right < 1387656630 396374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: basically it has some constants in it that nobody knows where they come from < 1387656655 615297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well more than that, researchers have demonstrated how those constants could have been chosen to include a backdoor < 1387656658 37444 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah, and it's been proven that they could have been chosen to serve as a public key < 1387656661 15662 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of sorts < 1387656661 652581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the constants were constructed using a specific algorithm, it would generate a key at the same time that would backdoor the algorithm < 1387656662 495224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was proved to be "backdoored" whether intentionally or not in 2006 < 1387656665 674834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/09/the-many-flaws-of-dualecdrbg.html < 1387656670 328533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then RSA used it for no good reason whatsoever a few years later < 1387656670 567674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they might just be random, in which case no backdoor exits < 1387656677 958109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah this suspicion predates the snowden leaks by years < 1387656678 894357 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hasn't been proven that this is actually the case < 1387656679 267381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then leaked NSA documents said they had compromised encryption standards < 1387656683 61603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -- yeah < 1387656685 995238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's news that the NSA paid RSA $10M < 1387656705 225936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be a tiny little hint that dual Dual_EC_DRBG is backdoored <_< < 1387656708 916583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dual // < 1387656719 801668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that Dual_EC_DRBG is just shitty and so there's no reason to use it if the govt isn't paying you to < 1387656923 87282 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1387656960 987929 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is crypto, we should all know that "well maybe nobody knows the backdoor" is security through obscurity. < 1387657061 455927 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have some suspicion that a company did something shitty and they deny it, you should probably just assume that they're lying to your face because they are full of shit and i hate everybody. < 1387657091 91156 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :good application of hanlon's razor < 1387657105 284087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoover's razor < 1387657188 719498 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently the backdoor doesn't work if you have 31 bytes or less? < 1387657214 505090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why does that matter < 1387657219 111669 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2df0c.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't < 1387657232 531483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to predict an RNG output after just 31 bytes is a pretty strong backdoor < 1387657241 374462 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important that we microanalyze this to defend the NSA < 1387657299 281230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it only works when you have exactly 32 bytes, no more and no fewer < 1387657332 959689 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is right, there can be no nuance in this matter whatsoever < 1387657392 599609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is right, kill all humans < 1387657491 450375 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a matter of nuance, it's a matter of the NSA being known to have crippled its own government's security for years with nobody being able to know about it, so why bother counting fucking bytes at this point < 1387657496 628171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hug all humans < 1387657548 637546 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how RSA said dual_ec_drbg's slowness was good because it made attacks slower. that was funny < 1387657594 699782 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yes, kill all humans, bike superiority < 1387657647 12506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: some crypto algorithms are intentionally designed to be slow, e.g. password hashing functions < 1387657662 384829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they tend to have scalable slowness for that purpose < 1387657703 197480 :mauke!~mauke@p3m/member/mauke PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2013-September/005341.html < 1387657764 575390 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha. < 1387657810 536884 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have put more pounds of coke in there < 1387657883 4864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most developers would probably use the faster symmetric alternatives, but perhaps a small number would prefer the added confidence of a provably-secure construction. Unfortunately, here is where NIST ran into their first problem with Dual_EC. Flaw #1: Dual-EC has no security proof." < 1387657899 721405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let me spell this out as clearly as I can. In the course of proposing this complex and slow new PRG where the only damn reason you'd ever use the thing is for its security reduction, NIST forgot to provide one. This is like selling someone a Mercedes and forgetting to attach the hood ornament." < 1387657992 836496 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i don't know enough about cars to get the simile except from context < 1387658041 325976 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercedes are bling-cars < 1387658061 332544 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-138-136.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can drive them but that's not why you buy them < 1387658070 973210 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1387658704 322658 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387658761 379580 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1387659864 31332 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1387660971 13793 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387663546 969517 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1387664714 889591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Former South Sudan Vice-President Riek Machar tells the BBC that rebel forces are under his control and have taken the key oil-producing Unity state." < 1387664717 919759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great name < 1387664972 608202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kufic.info/architecture/architecture.htm hell yes < 1387665048 109303 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is this ordered, uzbekistan is before turkmenistan < 1387665077 310181 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bookmarks < 1387665079 312382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :descending sort by number of uzbeks < 1387665087 925231 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1387665104 1572 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, christ, look at all these books. bad site, i have a budget < 1387665238 911871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1387666408 992188 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387667678 751005 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-30-45.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1387667828 874816 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-238.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1387667865 30450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there square currency units used for any purpose? < 1387667884 432611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1387667888 848047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like coins but square? < 1387667895 821290 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean like square meters < 1387668033 923259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like square meters and stuff like that < 1387668056 61828 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let $ be the symbol for the currency unit. $ is money. $/$ (unitless) is a simple interest rate. $/$s (equivalent to hertz!?) is a compound interest rate, I think < 1387668057 45047 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are used for bounties in Trigun. < 1387668097 268107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er shouldn't an interest rate be in terms of time < 1387668105 481796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that change with compounding < 1387668110 601396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the units on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_(finance) might get pretty weird < 1387668115 312832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: How does that work? < 1387668122 710704 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixty billion double dollars. < 1387668142 132412 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I may have forgotten quite what simple interest is < 1387668171 560800 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : Let $ be the symbol for the currency unit. $ is money. $/$ (unitless) is a simple interest rate. $/$s (equivalent to hertz!?) is a compound interest rate, I think < 1387668177 742616 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's equivalent to hertz < 1387668181 879814 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :roentgens, for instance < 1387668185 265810 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-165-174.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"famous for Confusion of Confusions, a book about stock markets" ha < 1387668203 47917 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, becquerels# < 1387668228 774437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, whatever would describe a time machine accelerating is equivalent to hertz, too < 1387668515 596253 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd thing about be #642: I am more conservative with money when I expect an immediate reward to my purchase < 1387668530 822200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 642 < 1387668535 610105 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :642) well, i have to assume if i'm going to make any asses < 1387668641 318142 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1387668692 375385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-57-25.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still do not understand, how you mean using for bounties, and that stuff? < 1387668734 915442 :impomatic!~digital_w@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1387668806 212734 :polytone!~monotone@room208.org NICK :monotone < 1387668830 852925 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds