00:01:02 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:02:00 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:05:41 -!- sebbu has joined. 00:16:02 -!- muskrat has joined. 00:36:45 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:40:22 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:49:03 -!- muskrat has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:50:58 -!- glogbackup has joined. 00:53:55 "Eventually I noticed that the longer the machine had been powered down before I tried to boot, the more likely it was to boot correctly." OS programming is scary 00:54:02 yes 00:54:12 also i didn't know vaurora had a twitter hells yea 00:54:33 -!- ^v has quit (Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif). 00:55:06 "I used the BIOS to dump the DRAM (memory) on the machine and noticed that each time I dumped the memory, more and more bits were zeroes instead of ones. Of course I knew intellectually that DRAM loses data when you turned the power off" oh god, what the fuck 00:58:36 her personal twitter is protected and I'm too shy to like apply for membership 00:59:32 luckily, i'm too unthinking to not apply for membersip. 00:59:36 ship 01:00:03 i should give more money to Ada Initiative 01:00:08 and you should all give money to OpenHatch: http://openhatch.org/donate/ 01:00:30 if she looks at my twitter she's just gonna see a buncha nonsense tho 01:01:13 hm, sketch of a penguin. that's hard to turn down 01:01:38 Bike: hmm, what's the "what the fuck" in that quote? 01:01:50 olsner: that this was relevant to software 01:03:18 i think i'll drop a few bucks at openhatch once i have an address again. i could go for more stickers. i wonder if they're nice vinyl ones 01:06:40 hmm, my system is spending 1% of (non-idle) cpu time in memchr 01:07:06 too bad i don't have an income again :V 01:15:07 -!- Guest74908 has joined. 01:15:18 -!- madbr has joined. 01:15:43 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:15:46 I think I've figured out how to do single line iterations 01:16:31 If a line contains, say, $ in front of a variable, build a for loop with it 01:17:11 start the variable at 0, increment it by 1 every iteration... the only thing you're missing is a stop condition 01:17:13 -!- nooodl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:17:24 what are you talking about 01:17:26 so for instance 01:17:33 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 01:17:38 -!- nooodl has joined. 01:17:41 vector[$n] += 5 01:17:44 turns into 01:18:15 for(n=0; ????; n++) { vector[n] += 5; } 01:18:18 is this novel syntax for some system yu're coming up with because i already hate it 01:18:35 yeah 01:18:52 trying to figure out the shortest possible syntax for iterations over vectors 01:19:02 -!- Guest74908 has quit. 01:19:20 I think you're on the path to reinventing APL. or SIMD. 01:19:28 yes please skip to that part 01:19:45 "or the List monad" 01:19:50 not familiar with APL. SIMD is something else. 01:20:14 > map (+5) [3,1,18] 01:20:15 [8,6,23] 01:20:21 well, you'll eventually end up with "vector += 5" if you go down this route really 01:20:22 it's mostly inspired by logical programming tbh 01:20:32 and then if you get up to "vec1[$n] += vec2[$n]", etc... 01:20:34 elliott : that's the idea 01:20:34 now replace "map" with the Prince symbol and you've got APL 01:20:54 Bike: no, APL/J/etc. would just use + directly 01:20:58 that's kinda the point of array programming 01:20:59 actually "vec1[$n] += vec2[$n]" is a good example 01:21:05 elliott: stfu nerd 01:21:08 ) 1 2 3 + 4 5 6 01:21:08 elliott: 5 7 9 01:21:16 ) vec1 =: 1 2 3 01:21:16 elliott: |ok 01:21:18 ) vec2 =: 4 5 6 01:21:19 elliott: |ok 01:21:21 ) vec1 + vec2 01:21:21 elliott: 5 7 9 01:21:34 what's the infinite five operator 01:21:36 ) vec1 .= vec1 + vec2 01:21:37 elliott: |domain error 01:21:37 elliott: | vec1 .=vec1+vec2 01:21:41 oh 01:21:46 wait, what 01:21:53 ) vec1 =: vec1 + vec2 01:21:54 elliott: |ok 01:21:55 ) vec1 01:21:56 elliott: 5 7 9 01:21:59 how come you did .= instead of =:... right. 01:22:20 should translate to for(n=0; n i hate to say this ut have you ever used matlab because its syntax does all this and is already infinite worse/more useful than yours 01:22:51 ok but, that's literally what APL/J/etc. do behind the hood for vec1 + vec2 :P 01:22:57 oh. matlab is another good example of this kind of thing, yeah 01:23:07 the problem with map is that you end up with, well, the rest of functional programming :D 01:23:09 I guess the difference with SIMD is that the vectors are always fixed-size 01:23:21 afaik J has no explicit "map", and not really first class functions 01:23:23 SIMD is really an acceleration technique 01:23:25 it's not a functional language really at all 01:23:39 "function-level programming"! 01:23:48 i'm pretty sure apl has map though 01:24:21 you're not meant to program in SIMD except for like inner loops in like the few remaining places where it counts these days 01:24:55 that's not elliott's point. elliott's point was "gee that does operations across a vector too hm relevant" 01:25:01 my elliott impression righ tthere 01:25:10 and it's always contained in normal loops anyways since you rarely ever really process 4 item loops 01:25:18 oh, apl even has a map /syntax/ 01:25:25 "Expressions such as ⌽[i]a and +/[i]a and +\[i]a apply the (possibly derived) function preceding the brackets “along axis i” of the argument a . " 01:25:26 map is implicit in APL probably? 01:25:27 since it is in J 01:25:30 I think that's fold. 01:25:43 blah 01:27:29 basically I need a syntax that's usable within a curly brace language :D 01:28:02 isn't matlab curly brace? or at least close to it 01:28:09 something like that yeah 01:28:09 burly case 01:28:55 you could have a bunch of built in array process functions but in curly brace languages they are rarely flexible enough 01:28:57 it's actually dependent on whitespace because that's great i guess. 01:29:20 madbr: seriously, in matlab you can do shit like foo(bar) where foo and bar are both matrices and it does some fucking indexing thing. 01:29:45 and you can have that as an lvalue and bla bla bla 01:30:27 matlab is literally the worst 01:30:35 like php for matrices 01:30:40 yes and that's what madbr is going for here 01:31:20 no I'm just trying to figure out a way to add a shortcut for loops over vectors in curly brace languages 01:31:45 -!- LinearInterpol has joined. 01:32:07 and i'm telling you this is it. 01:32:16 speaking of php, apparently it originally used strlen() on function names as a hash 01:32:43 functionally it has to compile into some variant of for(int i=x; i looking up matlab 01:37:38 doesn't seem to automatically produce loops, it seems to just have matrices as a primitive type and has prelooped operations on them for you 01:37:48 but I could be wrong 01:38:18 so, what, your big huge difference here is inlining? 01:38:41 the difference is that a loop can have all sorts of flow control 01:39:05 and partial value changes etc 01:39:21 also it's not a physical value that has to be stored 01:41:28 it can be just as dumb as C++'s for(;;), as long as it has less typing 01:52:12 this is not what matlab does, from what I can tell in what I'm reading right now (never used matlab)... basically it has a bunch of operators that works on matrices 02:02:35 http://eighteenthelephant.wordpress.com/2013/11/03/another-bad-graph/ 02:07:43 apl is also a language that operates on arrays with a bunch of operators 02:08:02 none of your examples of "this already exists" really applies 02:11:14 -!- ^v has joined. 02:20:06 -!- Sprocklem has changed nick to Sprocklem_. 02:20:50 -!- Sprocklem_ has changed nick to Sprocklem__. 02:21:39 -!- Sprocklem__ has changed nick to Sprocklem. 02:24:54 -!- nooodl has quit (Quit: Ik ga weg). 02:36:50 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:40:31 -!- tromp__ has joined. 02:41:06 hi 02:41:24 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:45:56 what does quin mean? 02:46:11 i believe it is short for me 02:46:54 so you're named place of the Quin? 02:47:07 so it would appear 02:47:36 and you are named work that does this 02:48:02 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 02:48:05 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Client Quit). 02:48:17 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 02:48:17 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Client Quit). 02:49:04 actually I got frustrated when signing up for freenode so my name is a question 02:50:05 no it isn't. you can't have a question without a question mark 02:50:09 and why so frustrated 02:51:08 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:52:58 -!- Frooxius has joined. 02:53:16 Bike: thanks for the dedication. now WHERE ARE ALL YOUR OTHER IDEAS YOU WERE GOING TO POST NOW THAT YOU MADE AN ACCOUNT? 02:53:45 uh excuse me it's /one/ idea!! and it isn't presentable. 02:54:29 present it to me anyway 02:54:32 right here right now 02:54:36 whats the gimmick 02:56:20 fire control computers 02:56:46 :D 02:56:56 <3 02:57:05 do go on 02:57:15 initially i was thinking it would be like verilog, but there's a whole fuckton to specify 02:57:39 since i was thinking below, uh, register-transfer level, for lack of a better... everything 02:58:22 so a lang where you hook up all those ffc components, and each one is minimally configurable in behavior? 02:58:27 fcc 02:58:41 fcc? but yeah 02:58:46 oh, fire control computer 02:59:50 but like, take a gear. specifying tooth size we probably don't want, but you'd get pretty different behavior from the spacing (you can make a discretizer thing like a clock) 03:00:08 and/or you can have the driveshaft (if there even is a driveshaft) somewhere other than the center 03:00:35 * quintopia takes a gear 03:01:06 i mean you could model on a higher level but at that point it's almost practical. 03:01:24 also, 3d cams. don't even want to think about em 03:01:35 s/practical/actually implementable 03:02:00 3d cams should be easier than some other things actually 03:02:21 they only have on moving part: the function f(theta,x) 03:02:50 well that and the length (max ) 03:02:54 *max x 03:04:10 i mean for practicality i'd just use shannon 03:04:16 er 03:04:45 shannon's system, where you just specify linkages between integrators and differentials and constant-speed drives 03:04:47 the grooved gears are also fairly straightforward. 03:04:58 but at that point why not just write out the equation 03:05:26 because 03:05:28 this 03:05:29 is 03:05:40 ESOLANG 03:06:09 was that a 300 reference 03:06:14 sure 03:06:18 time to go home 03:06:19 it's 2013! 03:06:20 brb 03:12:22 Husk Scheme's Haskell FFI only works with Haskell functions of a specific type 03:12:30 This seems like a Haskell-y limitation to impose on it 03:17:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:29:02 -!- tromp__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:29:15 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:40:54 -!- ^v has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:47:43 -!- LinearInterpol has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:09:44 "Tourist walks off pier while checking Facebook page" 04:16:15 -!- rodgort has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 04:21:48 -!- rodgort has joined. 04:33:57 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:03:01 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 05:16:41 -!- oerjan has joined. 05:49:13 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:49:36 The first problem in experimental mathematics is apparently not overfilling LaTeX boxes... <-- ah memories 05:49:48 -!- tromp_ has joined. 05:54:57 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 06:16:49 Overfull \hbox (0.76785pt too wide)! 06:49:01 TIL: Hackage has "dbus-core", "dbus" and "DBus", all different. And all having modules named DBus.*. (AFAICT, "dbus" is a direct sequel of "dbus-core", a pure-Haskell DBus protocol implementation, while "DBus" is a FFI-based binding on the native DBus libraries.) 06:49:16 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 06:49:40 ;_; 06:52:19 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:55:17 All of them have a different API, of course. 06:55:40 always plural interfaces 06:55:46 (Though the one in dbus is a reasonable, simplified descendant of dbus-core.) 06:56:47 -!- Lemuriano has joined. 06:57:25 i have been paid to write perl, haskell, c, c++, java, assembly, shell, make, rust, javascript, prolly some others 06:57:30 i forgot PHP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 06:58:15 also python and ruby jeez 06:58:16 Have you been paid to specifically write in each of those things, or has it been the case of "write with whatever you want as long as it makes some sort of sense"? 06:58:42 some of each 06:59:30 -!- Lemuriano has left. 06:59:55 Does changing your XMonad config while at work count as being paid to write Haskell? 07:00:17 i did two summers of undergrad research, the first summer i wrote everything in perl, then I learned Haskell so I used it for everything the second summer 07:00:22 i hope this was considered an improvement 07:01:02 fizzie: sure 07:01:10 Yay, a point, then. 07:01:35 pretty sure i also used ghci for some misc data munging somewhere along the way 07:01:51 i started writing an improved object file diff tool in Haskell for Ksplice but never finished it 07:03:26 I've had fungot join the IRC channel of our research group, does that count as being paid to write Funge-98? (Perhaps not quite.) 07:03:26 fizzie: yeah i know, but lament and fizzie are around. or e-mail me. 07:03:54 fungot: Do you even have an email account? 07:03:55 fizzie: or you could put it more formally designated as ieee 1003 and the international reach that only we are positioned to provide! 07:04:44 To quote oerjan, OKAY. 07:06:14 `run addquote ' OKAY' # ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability 07:06:20 1146) OKAY 07:08:54 O KAY 07:09:56 fungot is in that generation that prefers twitter to email 07:09:56 oerjan: the fnord returns some error code, after all, she is!"" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord: 07:14:40 oerjan: http://sprunge.us/LNdZ 07:17:53 okay 07:21:19 Oh no I disregarded LOWER CASE. 07:22:38 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:23:01 *MWAHAHAHA* 07:23:20 ok, hth, hand 07:23:41 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:24:24 o'kay this was much more interest-ing http://sprunge.us/XBHK 07:26:43 wait, hth is legal again? 07:27:07 i do not recall some of these. 07:27:22 hth is legal 07:27:24 doesthiswork: no, i'm a filthy law breaker hth 07:27:27 long live hth 07:27:40 oerjan: plz disable the hth disabler thx 07:27:43 i miss your hths 07:28:10 shachaf: careful, elliott might ban you 07:28:30 (not really, he's getting mellow with age) 07:28:40 oerjan: imo he doesn't even go on irc anymore 07:29:57 `seen elliott 07:30:02 2013-12-18 01:28:02: isn't matlab curly brace? or at least close to it 07:30:14 @time 07:30:17 Local time for shachaf is Tue Dec 17 23:30:14 2013 07:30:20 well he'll say something in the future 07:30:23 that doesn't mean anything 07:30:51 @time lambdabot 07:30:51 I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time? 07:30:52 shachaf: just after banning you, probably 07:31:35 although how he'll do it with matlab i don't know 07:31:55 that's the beauty of matlab. 07:33:27 It's MATLAB not matlab you heathens. 07:33:41 That's like saying "god" instead of "GOD". 07:33:48 YHWH whatever 07:33:53 (Sounds like HTH.) 07:33:54 i do that all the time. 07:34:05 YMMV 07:34:37 Hey, is YHWH short for Yes, He Would Help? How appropriate. 07:35:46 Given the temperament of the old testament god, perhaps "appropriate" is not quite the right word, I don't think he's very keen on helping in general. 07:38:43 yes, hell wants humans 07:44:11 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 07:45:22 -!- aloril has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 07:46:16 -!- aloril has joined. 07:54:16 Wow, someone's actually using the while (i --> 0) spelling. I thought that was a myth. 07:56:01 a tale told to frighten small children 07:56:09 who is using it? 07:56:15 Someone on ##c. 07:56:32 is there a way to declare "i" inside while() in this example?: int i = 8; while (i --> 0) printf("%d ", i); 07:57:06 p. sure they are either joking or being joked at 07:57:17 i'm gonna go with "no" 07:57:49 for (int i = 8; i --> 0;) 07:58:00 Yeah, well, that's not acceptable for some reason. 07:58:17 very imrotant that we use a while 07:58:38 See http://sprunge.us/IjNY 07:58:57 (Best channel?) 07:59:19 what does /wrist mean... oh 08:00:00 I use while (i--) pretty often 08:00:12 olsner: Yes, but do you use The Arrow? 08:00:37 only in java (because you have to) 08:01:07 what's it mean 08:01:10 It's the best, because after something like i = 42; while (i --> 0) ... your not-familiar-with-C readers will be tempted to do i = 0; while (i --> 42) ... too. 08:01:23 flipping them off? 08:01:33 (I didn't get the /wrist thing.) 08:02:43 http://i.imgur.com/N1QFcWY.jpg meanwhile, in the uk 08:04:16 It's some kind of a not-real thing, right? Right? Please? 08:04:32 are you suggesting a tabloid may be inaccurate 08:04:35 that's libel fucker 08:05:12 I think you mean "f***er". 08:05:41 too tired and emotional to censor myself, [insinuates that you are a paedophile] 08:05:43 's ok, just don't use the c**v word 08:06:03 (fizzie: also, it can't be real. his shirt says "soccer".) 08:06:14 Bike: ooh good point 08:06:46 The "flogged 'em to the junkies" bit at the very least reads like a parody. 08:07:43 boy fails to blend into reality, takes it out on cat 08:09:00 Meanwhile, in the email: [[ This is an official advice from the FBI foreign remittance/telegraphic dept. it has come to our notice that bank of Nigeria has released $8m to BANK OF AMERICA in your name as the beneficiary, The bank Nigeria knowing fully well that they do not have enough facilities to effect this payment from Nigeria to your account, They used what we know as a “secret ... 08:09:06 ... diplomatic transit payment” (S.T.D.P) to pay this fund through wire transfer, but this means of transfer can not reflect to your account as this was wrong method of transfer. ]] 08:09:24 spike timing dependent plasticity 08:09:34 Those wacky Nigerians, they keep using those STDPs even though they're obviously the wrong method of transfer. 08:09:54 I guess I need to send a "Diplomatic Immunity Seal Of Transfer(DIST)" or something. 08:10:05 Must be legit, all those acronyms. 08:10:21 sealed highly important transfer 08:10:50 (How come a "secret diplomatic transit payment" is a STDP and not a SDTP, anyway?) 08:11:23 fizzie: it's probably one of those english/french ordering compromises 08:11:51 transfer secrét diplomatique du paye 08:12:03 "Meanwhile, i have decided to scan and send to you a copy of my identity as evidence, so you can be aware of whom you are dealing with and i have also informed that entire FBI Department Offices in each states to back out regarding this case because i have decided to handle this situation personally to ensure that i deal with you accordingly if you fail to provide the necessary requirement ... 08:12:04 god i hope the fbi actually has a "telegraphic dept" 08:12:09 ... which we requested from you." 08:12:18 fizzie you aren't even in the united states are you 08:12:27 Well, no. 08:12:37 But he's scanned a copy of his identity, so. 08:12:38 Bike: it's the finnish bureau of investigation 08:12:41 nice of the FBI to protect the whole world instead of americans 08:12:44 just americans* 08:13:05 Bike: they can't even keep finnish spam inside finland, you think they manage to keep fbi spam outside it? 08:13:13 I think I've gotten email before from this same guy, he's "FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III". 08:13:41 (seriously, most of the spam i see these days is finnish. although i guess that's after nvg's filter.) 08:13:59 Our spam is too potent to be contained by your puny filters. 08:14:30 "Subject: Are You Sure Rev. Thomas Is Your Next of Kin!!!" No!!! I'm not sure at all!!! 08:19:15 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 08:21:12 -!- tromp_ has joined. 08:45:23 Aaaaah Namco High has been released 08:47:56 Taneb: http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/70376905191/ 08:48:41 No spoilers, please! 08:49:37 spoilers: it keeps happening 08:49:59 spoiler davesprite is davesprite 08:54:50 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 08:56:26 fizzie: What was the name of the guy from X-Files? 08:58:59 Bike: crimbo 09:00:25 Oh man, Anti-bravoman is pretty cool 09:07:20 -!- FreeFull has quit. 09:08:59 -!- kmc_ has joined. 09:10:12 -!- kmc has quit (Disconnected by services). 09:10:14 -!- kmc_ has changed nick to kmc. 09:10:54 -!- lambdabot has quit (*.net *.split). 09:10:55 -!- upgrayeddd has quit (*.net *.split). 09:10:55 -!- AwfulProgrammer has quit (*.net *.split). 09:10:55 -!- trout has quit (*.net *.split). 09:10:56 -!- rntz has quit (*.net *.split). 09:12:08 -!- lambdabot has joined. 09:12:08 -!- rntz has joined. 09:12:08 -!- upgrayeddd has joined. 09:12:08 -!- AwfulProgrammer has joined. 09:12:08 -!- trout has joined. 09:12:36 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:16:20 -!- lambdabot has quit (*.net *.split). 09:16:20 -!- upgrayeddd has quit (*.net *.split). 09:16:20 -!- AwfulProgrammer has quit (*.net *.split). 09:16:20 -!- trout has quit (*.net *.split). 09:16:21 -!- rntz has quit (*.net *.split). 09:16:59 I'm not sure which guy FreeFull meant. 09:17:18 Mulder, maybe. That's close-ish to Mueller. 09:18:42 Mꙮller 09:18:52 oh irc, where else can you walk into a room and find a motionless duplicate of yourself 09:18:58 and the socially acceptable response is to murder them 09:19:25 I think there are some netwurk games like that. 09:19:50 clearly the duplicates should argue they're the real ones more often 09:21:44 -!- lambdabot has joined. 09:21:44 -!- rntz has joined. 09:21:44 -!- upgrayeddd has joined. 09:21:44 -!- AwfulProgrammer has joined. 09:21:44 -!- trout has joined. 09:25:00 As soon oerjan disconnects I'm going to grab his nick and argue I'm the one who should survive. 09:27:23 i guess i am asking for that. 09:58:14 Oh dear god I've found a cameo 10:00:34 as long as it wasn't a camel 10:02:35 Or a camembert. 10:03:01 Well, I reached AN ending 10:03:31 "Camelopard" is kind of a silly name for a giraffe. 10:03:47 is this one of those choose your own camel books 10:04:15 oerjan, it's a dating sim about video game characters 10:06:29 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:08:18 chraming 10:10:08 I just got a good ending with the ship from Galaga 10:11:54 A "good ending"? 10:12:56 Someone might argue that any ending is a good ending, viz. that you don't have to keep playing. 10:13:02 :P 10:19:38 !SENT_START I DON'T THINK ANYONE COULD BUY AND TODAY BUT THINGS CHANGE WHEN PEOPLE DIE !SENT_END 10:21:22 i think fizzie is revealing himself as a bot 10:22:27 !SENT_START I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE INSINUATING THERE I AM MADE OF SOFT HUMAN FLESH !SENT_END 10:22:58 O KAY 10:35:47 http://sprunge.us/efBH those wacky university students, right? 10:45:04 i think that will be ex-university student 10:47:17 (Also that "Page 4" in there is spurious.) 10:49:01 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:56:12 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 11:09:32 -!- carado has joined. 11:13:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:55:45 -!- augur has quit (Read error: No route to host). 11:56:06 -!- augur has joined. 12:12:27 -!- augur has quit (Read error: No route to host). 12:12:54 -!- augur has joined. 12:18:04 -!- augur has quit (Read error: No route to host). 12:18:21 -!- augur has joined. 12:58:48 -!- boily has joined. 12:58:59 -!- metasepia has joined. 12:59:09 good moily 13:00:22 it seems like now would be a very good time to buy btc, but it seems like so much effort, cuz i know there's no easy way 13:04:18 good quintorning! 13:05:43 -!- LinearInterpol has joined. 13:07:19 -!- Hanswurst has joined. 13:07:45 `relcome Hanswurst 13:07:50 ​Hanswurst: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 13:07:55 Hi 13:08:04 quintopia: there seems to be a few Canadian sites for investing in BTC. 13:08:35 boily: do they allow you to pay electronically? 13:09:46 looks like so, but the acronyms are colliding with my uncaffeinated brain, so I'm missing many details. 13:18:24 :\ 13:18:37 fizzie: should I add in the # cömment to the `addquote you made 6 hours ago? 13:18:57 quintopia: don't worry. 12 oz of tea are brewing. 13:19:22 -!- yorick has joined. 13:23:12 boily: It did not end up in the quote, so I guess not. I don't know. Is there a law on these things? 13:25:03 fungot: verdict? 13:25:03 boily: http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/ eggs/ search.scm. i mean is 13:25:16 fungot: I mean, your opinion on the matter? 13:25:17 boily: fnord sez the thermometer now interesting rather than solved problems." at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord 13:25:45 fizzie: you bot says you should mind thermometers insted of the problem. so no comment it is. 13:26:03 I guess that's fair. 13:38:33 quintopia: (I very subtly and discreetly added you to the PDF cocoonspirators.) 13:39:12 -!- Hanswurst has left. 13:41:13 kmc: (same thing.) 13:41:24 It's a very discreet process, disregarding the automatic email alerts. 13:41:52 muah ah ah. 13:43:49 boily: i am 12 and what is this wisdom repo 13:45:27 quintopia: 12? it is the repo to the Source of the PDF. 13:46:08 what pdf. what is it for 13:46:34 the PDF in the /topic ↑ 13:47:52 What other wisdom is there than the wisdom of #esoteric, really? 13:48:42 -!- CADD has joined. 13:50:56 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:51:05 I still don't know what twelves quintopia is, so I'm going to assume he's a herd of zebras. 13:54:21 I think it was like a time of day. Like, "I'm totally middays", and so on. 13:59:36 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:06:23 -!- atriq has joined. 14:06:29 -!- atriq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:08:34 small follow-up on the amplituhedron → http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/12/a-quantum-revolution-against-feynman-diagrams/ 14:08:52 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:13:30 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 14:17:29 this pdf is too big to read 14:17:46 also i wanted to add a wisdom but i can't backtick on my phone 14:23:28 quintopia: can you copy and paste on your phone? 14:24:08 * boily ````````es quintopia 14:24:15 jconn: 96{a. 14:24:16 b_jonas: ` 14:24:22 ah, you want more? 14:24:25 jconn: 60$96{a. 14:24:26 b_jonas: ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` 14:24:58 is it possible to maintain, debug, analyze, refactor and otherwise understand J? 14:25:22 boily: imo, no 14:25:30 it's not really useful for large programs 14:25:35 but some people disagree 14:27:16 ) (0j1+i.9)#96{a. NB. all sizes, in case you can only copy and paste full words 14:27:16 b_jonas: ` `` ``` ```` ````` `````` ``````` ```````` 14:29:07 ~eval iterate ('`':) "`" 14:29:10 ["`","``","```","````","`````","``````","```````","````````","`````````","``````````","```````````","````````````","`````````````","``````````````","```````````````","````````````````","`````````````````","``````````````````","```````````````````","````````````````````","`````````````````````","``````````````````````","```````````````````````","````````````````````````","`````````````````````````","``````````````````````````","```` 14:31:19 ~eval concat (iterate ('`':) " ") 14:31:19 " ` `` ``` ```` ````` `````` ``````` ```````` ````````` `````````` ``````````` ```````````` ````````````` `````````````` ``````````````` ```````````````` ````````````````` `````````````````` ``````````````````` ```````````````````` ````````````````````` `````````````````````` ``````````````````````` ```````````````````````` ````````````````````````` `````````````````````````` ``````````````````````````` ```````````````````````````` 14:55:36 -!- mrhmouse has joined. 15:00:40 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 15:08:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:11:37 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:47:06 -!- carado has joined. 15:52:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:02:05 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 16:16:21 is there any reference implementation to https://github.com/trevp/axolotl/wiki ? 16:16:37 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 16:21:52 -!- ^v has joined. 16:26:29 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:26:55 -!- augur has joined. 16:28:56 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 16:31:27 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 16:34:50 -!- Chillectual has joined. 16:35:10 -!- LinearInterpol has quit (Disconnected by services). 16:35:15 -!- Chillectual has changed nick to LinearInterpol. 16:42:54 -!- Slereah has joined. 16:45:38 -!- sebbu has joined. 16:46:16 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 16:46:16 -!- sebbu has joined. 16:50:35 -!- muskrat has joined. 16:51:49 thanks for the ticks guys 16:52:42 `learn PHP is Worse Is Better with strong lock-in effects for the web ecosystem. 16:52:47 I knew that. 17:29:42 `learn PHP is the most static typed and mathematically proven to be the best programming language ever. 17:29:46 I knew that. 17:30:07 I know that you knew than. 17:32:03 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:35:10 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:39:52 `rm wisdom/php 17:39:55 No output. 17:41:39 ("PHP" == 0), of course. 17:42:40 :( 17:42:54 `? PHP 17:42:56 PHP? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:43:00 `? php 17:43:01 php? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 17:43:06 `learn PHP is Worse Is Better with strong lock-in effects for the web ecosystem. 17:43:11 I knew that. 17:43:14 What? 17:43:28 `rm wisdom/PHP 17:43:30 rm: cannot remove `wisdom/PHP': No such file or directory 17:43:37 why are y'all putting in these wisdom entries 17:43:51 shachaf: there was another php entry that you deleted that was already there 17:43:58 shachaf: you are the worst deleter person ever 17:44:01 they're both bad 17:44:07 they should both not be in wisdom/ 17:44:25 shachaf: but what about the third one you deleted. should it be. 17:44:30 `revert 17:44:31 Done. 17:45:04 shachaf: also since when are you the final arbiter of what can be in wisdom 17:45:50 sigh 17:49:04 -!- augur has joined. 17:51:51 back from lunch, and there is a wardom on PHP. 17:56:44 -!- carado has quit (*.net *.split). 17:56:46 -!- lambdabot has quit (*.net *.split). 17:56:46 -!- upgrayeddd has quit (*.net *.split). 17:56:46 -!- AwfulProgrammer has quit (*.net *.split). 17:56:47 -!- trout has quit (*.net *.split). 17:56:47 -!- rntz has quit (*.net *.split). 17:58:29 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:00:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:03:45 -!- muskrat has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:13:00 -!- carado has joined. 18:13:01 -!- lambdabot has joined. 18:13:01 -!- rntz has joined. 18:13:01 -!- upgrayeddd has joined. 18:13:01 -!- AwfulProgrammer has joined. 18:13:01 -!- trout has joined. 18:23:09 quintopia: I agree with shachaf the 3rd one was not wisdom. 18:23:52 CADD: remind me what the third one was again so i don't have to reload the pdf 18:25:05 quintopia: the one right after your one 18:25:36 CADD: that one sucked. i'm talking about the one that was in there originally. i.e. yesterday. 18:25:48 oh 18:25:50 uh 18:25:54 `? php 18:25:55 php? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:25:59 `? PHP 18:26:01 PHP? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:26:02 idk? 18:26:05 lol 18:27:13 more like hyperTERRIBLE processor 18:28:13 lol 18:28:24 there was a PHP entry? 18:28:27 CADD: it's gone. shachaf deleted it. look it up in the PDF if you want to see it. 18:28:29 it and the links 18:28:39 oh, the wisdom one. right 18:29:03 “ \item[PHP] is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots, and past elliott. Ask your GP today! $[$Website redacted$]$” 18:29:22 that seems pretty meh. 18:29:31 MEANWHILE IN R/BITCOIN http://imgur.com/h9TXUbY 18:30:44 quintopia: PHP is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots, and past elliott. Ask your GP today! [Website redacted] 18:31:08 CADD: too slow 18:31:32 boily: ty 18:32:02 CADD: by the way, do you have a github account? (asked with an evil grin :D) 18:32:27 boily: yeah, github.com/sheganinans 18:32:31 boily: yours? 18:32:38 -!- Slereah has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:33:23 the one i was trying to add was intended to be actual wisdom, not humor. based on an article: https://medium.com/on-coding/6a9748f2268c 18:33:27 Oh, you mean yet another PHP entry before the two that both of you added. 18:33:28 boily: i just added some stuff really recently. just random snippets i thought were barely tolerable to release 18:34:02 "PHP is preferred by 9 out of 10 idiots, and past elliott. Ask your GP today! [Website redacted]" 18:34:11 I think we're better off without any of them. 18:34:16 CADD: you should now be in the knowledge of my account, and the Source to the PDF. 18:34:40 shachaf: why don't you just go through and delete everything you don't like, and send some rain to a few parades while you're at it 18:34:55 `pbflist 18:34:57 pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion 18:35:26 -!- Slereah has joined. 18:35:26 boily: do i have to wait for github's eventual consistency model for me to see it? 18:35:42 boily: or some other service? 18:36:20 Phantom_Hoover: Huh? 18:36:23 Phantom_Hoover: i'm not seeing any new ones 18:36:52 oh i swear i saw one 18:37:20 boily: ah, i sees you 18:44:48 -!- oklopol has joined. 18:48:14 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:54:39 -!- muskrat has joined. 18:55:27 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:55:46 -!- Slereah has joined. 18:58:03 -!- muskrat_ has joined. 18:58:03 -!- muskrat has quit (Disconnected by services). 18:58:07 -!- muskrat_ has changed nick to muskrat. 19:06:11 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 19:13:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:15:09 -!- Frooxius has joined. 19:18:20 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:19:35 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:22:15 it seems like now would be a very good time to buy [...] <-- the ancient sign of a bubble close to bursting... 19:24:20 fizzie: should I add in the # cömment to the `addquote you made 6 hours ago? <-- not unless you add all my previous quotes/wisdom-affecting sed commands hth 19:27:04 oh bitcoin is crashing again? 19:31:05 they put a suicide hotline in r/bitcoin 19:31:34 -!- ^v has quit (Quit: http://i.imgur.com/MHuW96t.gif). 19:31:35 am i allowed to laugh 19:31:57 as long as you acknowledge that anyone actually killing themselves would be horrible 19:32:03 ah ok 19:33:40 there's also a temporary ban on "memes, price posts, and emotional posts" which is clear for mockery 19:34:36 it's not the first time this has happened 19:34:59 i'm no suicide prevention expert but "it's just money" seems like a shitty and privileged thing to say, in general 19:35:38 yes, but on the other hand most people on r/bitcoin are themselves shitty and privileged 19:35:54 i have this hunch that the idea of bitcoin working is based on the same kind of economy that didn't foresee the still ongoing financial crisis. 19:35:55 maybe so 19:36:02 *economic theory 19:36:08 oerjan: can you elaborate? 19:36:31 i mean, if i had any influence on rbitcoin i'd try to come up with something better to say, fo sho 19:36:47 kmc: hunches don't have elaborations. 19:36:52 oerjan: okay 19:36:55 maybe a little. 19:36:58 oerjan: OKAY. 19:36:59 what about elaborate hunches 19:37:03 also yes that 19:37:11 or hunched-over elaborations 19:37:54 first of all, the only intrinsic stabilization of bitcoin's value is on the supply side. which is better than having none at all i guess. 19:38:29 but it only guarantees a _maximal_ value, not a minimum one... 19:39:25 -!- ^v has joined. 19:39:28 fungot: are you worth any bitcoin? 19:39:28 boily: perhaps that's irrational. " snow crash", " helping others", " 19:40:04 Harken to the Bot! Follow the Path of Crashing Snowy Bitcoins, and Helping Others! 19:40:21 everything else is based on trust ... and without a supporting institution like a government, or a strong moral code that everyone follows, trust cannot survive in bad times. 19:40:44 i see fungot is a libertarian 19:40:44 Bike: if you make significant changes. 19:40:45 boily: "helping others" 19:41:30 mrhmouse: “I don't see any problem with that.” 19:42:10 http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2013/msg00235.html fuck yeaaaaaah 19:44:57 yeah i'm reading the paper now http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/acoustic-20131218.pdf 19:45:09 hm such side channel attacks essentially mean that encryption code _must_ be branch free, no? 19:45:19 unless this is even subtler 19:45:34 since when do branches break encryption? 19:45:39 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:46:08 i think the problem is that it's really hard to do public-key operations efficiently without data-dependent control flow or memory access 19:46:56 boily: by having the cpu do different things internally depending on what the data is, which can have measurable effects such as timing or this sound thing... 19:46:59 boily: i think the basic idea is that the attacker can use side channel information like sound to determine which branch sme code is on 19:47:12 nice, oerjan said it forwards and i said it backwards 19:47:18 and some day you will meet? 19:47:19 oerjan: 1) the bubble has burst/is bursting, hence my statement and 2) i see no reason why it won't rebound 19:47:22 * oerjan hasn't actually read the paper but is assuming that's how such a thing would work 19:48:00 quintopia: oh well 19:50:37 oerjan, Bike: so, you can guess what's happening, but you can't perfectly reconstruct the original data, righ? 19:50:52 oerjan, Bike: and meeting IRL is always a Good Thing®. 19:51:22 * quintopia meets boily IRL in a crowded bus dressed as a hobo 19:51:22 boily: no, but if you can do chosen plaintext attacks, you can add more and more information until you have the key... 19:52:34 Ooh, I remember the '04 presentation that paper mentions. 19:52:39 right, this attack involves sending many PGP-encrypted emails which are crafted to reveal bits of the private key through the side channel 19:52:53 It's "p. great" they've extended it to do actual key extraction. 19:53:12 (As in, remember reading about it, not attending it.) 19:53:28 quintopia: you're >1900 km away by car. we need to find a simpler way to irlmeet. and why would you want to dress crowded buses as hoboes? 19:53:42 oerjan: oic. tdh. 19:53:58 boily: the bus isn't dressed as a hobo. it's just dangling a modifier 19:54:23 boily: and there is no simpler way for me to stalk you sorry 20:02:42 http://youtu.be/9pzm1lQX0qU 20:03:00 kmc: I like how it has Genesis 27:5 in the references. :) 20:03:25 oh that's what that cite was :) 20:03:36 "Audio eavesdropping on human conversations is a common practice, first published several millenia ago [Gen]." 20:03:38 no author listed though 20:04:05 Gen? 20:04:09 ion: eh? 20:04:17 oh, Genesis. 20:04:20 "[Gen 27:5 KJV] 5 And Rebekah heard when Isaac spake to Esau his son. And Esau went to the field to hunt [for] venison, [and] to bring [it]." 20:04:30 boily: An Andy Warhol homage. 20:04:35 oh hey, i remember that. 20:04:40 esau was kind of a motherfucker, iirc 20:04:47 aren't they all 20:20:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:25:29 do I see a flamewar about the wisdom system in my backscroll highlighting me three times? 20:26:47 unfortunately, as you already know, php 20:27:28 `run grep '?' bin/* 20:27:31 bin/?: else echo "$1? ¯\(°​_o)/¯"; exit 1; \ bin/¿:? "$@" | rev | tac \ bin/؟:? "$@" | rev \ bin/anonlog: grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | shuf -n 1| sed "s=<[^>]*> ==" \ bin/anonlog: file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ bin/aseen:done < <(ls -r /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt) \ bin/bienvenido:if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$ 20:27:38 bleh 20:27:41 `run grep '?' bin/* | paste 20:27:44 god 20:27:48 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31992 20:28:17 well if it were not for the other-language welcomes I would just remove the thing 20:30:12 remove what 20:30:31 the wisdom database 20:30:47 you fiend! 20:30:54 yes. 20:30:59 `? php 20:31:02 PHP is Worse Is Better with strong lock-in effects for the web ecosystem. 20:31:04 elliott wants t destroy all we hold dear 20:31:27 destroying america's morals 20:31:27 elliott: but your pinging was due to a wisdom entry that already _had_ been removed! 20:31:36 so removing it won't help QED 20:32:20 `rm wisdom/php 20:32:23 No output. 20:32:26 `help 20:32:26 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 20:38:11 * boily shoos elliott away from the Precious Wisdom DB 20:38:30 don't tempt me to increase the drasticity of my measures. 20:38:53 I have a mapole, and I know how to use it. the Wisdom will Stand! 20:39:43 q: what is a mapole 20:39:45 -!- elliott has left ("now I have removed the entire channel"). 20:39:59 `? mapole 20:40:00 A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. 20:40:06 -!- elliott has joined. 20:40:11 actually, I still need this to number my irssi windows right. 20:40:34 elliott: That's why I /part without closing the window. 20:41:19 /set autoclose_windows off 20:43:05 -!- muskrat has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:45:24 bitcoin crash is front page on news.bbc.co.uk 20:46:56 is it really a full crash? isn't BTC much higher than before still? 20:48:55 when before? 20:49:48 -!- microt has joined. 20:49:54 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:49:59 before it started rising recently 20:50:06 it was at $200 or something? 20:50:12 maybe $100 20:50:38 i don't really have a precise opinion on what the word "crash" means 20:51:37 I guess like 5x increase in value from before it went crazy (ok, it's always crazy) seems like still a pretty big rise even if it went crazier in the interim to me 20:52:45 http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD 20:54:32 for a normal currency a 50% drop in value within two weeks would be a crash ... 20:54:58 somehow I don't feel that way about bitcoins. 20:55:16 yeah I don't think "crash" implies that all value since time immemorial is wiped out 20:56:13 int-e: obviously, people expect BTC to be much more volatile than most things people call currencies :) 20:56:20 just a sudden and significant drop in value 20:56:43 btw, mtgox might not be the best charts to look at given their issues unless that got resolved, they hover consistently above other exchanges because of them 21:02:58 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexwinter/deep-web-the-untold-story-of-bitcoin-and-the-silk well, ok. 21:05:11 -!- S1 has joined. 21:06:59 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 21:07:37 is "crimbo" really a UK slang term for "christmas" 21:07:55 I wonder whether anybody is crazy enough to trade futures for bitcoins. 21:08:20 ~duck future 21:08:20 future definition: that is to be; '''specifically'''. 21:08:27 ~duck crimbo 21:08:27 --- No relevant information 21:08:56 "A lot of what's going on out there is scary stuff!" ... boring. 21:09:07 kmc: yes 21:10:51 -!- evalj has joined. 21:10:58 "An unexpected exception has occurred. Please contact our Help Desk and include any errors reported on this page. java.lang.NullPointerException" this is a web application. 21:11:01 And "deep web" is not even their own phrase. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web 21:11:07 -!- S1 has left. 21:11:10 lots of people write webapps in Java 21:11:42 well, i'm just kind of surprised it gave me a backtrce, i suppose. 21:12:54 I like NPEs. they offer a great occasion to be zen, drink a cuppa, and reflect on the Purpose of Life. 21:14:30 /me reads the wikipédia article on futures contracts. 21:14:34 * boily reads the wikipédia article on futures contracts. 21:14:36 says I. 21:14:50 bóilý 21:15:08 ķḿĉ. 21:16:01 I am disgusted by the possibility and formalisation of selling intangible financial assets. 21:17:11 this is just miiiiildly annoying since i could get money frm this form 21:17:17 boily: hey if you sign the contract and you loose money, its your fault. doesnt matter what is being sold. 21:17:23 boily: then uh, don't take too close a look at anything remotely moneoy-related 21:17:54 isn't money itself an "intangible financial asset" 21:17:57 boily: and what exactly is a dollar? 21:18:03 it isn't some gold any more 21:18:08 CADD: that I have no problem with. it's just the sleazyness of all that stuff. 21:18:14 boily: futures contracts are not exactly money printing machines. 21:18:30 boily: lol, the federal reserve is a million times sleazier 21:18:33 Bike: I don't understand finance. I am terrified by anything more complex than a simple savings account. 21:18:38 certainly many sleazy things have been done with derivatives, yeah, but rejecting the whole concept outright? 21:18:41 kmc: I meant, intangibler. 21:18:46 boily: do you also consider insurance to be inherently sleazy? 21:18:50 elliott: something I have in my pocket. 21:19:02 futures and options aren't just for speculators, they're purchesd by large "productive" companies as insurance 21:19:13 fucking christ this isn't even my fault 21:19:14 mcdonalds buys potato futures so that they're less exposed to fluctuations in price 21:19:20 kmc: yes, but I have a dental plan, so I make an exception for that. 21:19:23 boily: what about in your bank account? 21:19:28 and my face is bleeding. god 21:19:32 kmc: exactly 21:20:02 WHY AM I SO PUT UPON, O GOD IN HEAVEN 21:20:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:20:20 elliott: those are dollars in somebody else pocket. there are pocketeers out there who hold everybody's money, as there are plumbers, teachers, managers... 21:20:23 boily: wat? 21:20:44 boily: oops 21:20:48 Bike: wat? 21:20:59 boily: wat? 21:21:19 Bike: how many millilitres of blood per hour are you loosing? 21:21:21 boily: you will probably be disappointed if you ask your bank to show the vault in which the physical coins for your bank account balance are stored 21:21:26 CADD: which wat? 21:21:29 why are we all loosing 21:21:35 boily: look, i feel you have been fed a story about futures without actually understanding the math behind it. you even admitted yourself 21:21:40 what the uck is a litre 21:21:41 elliott: I know. I prefer my fiction. it's more fun :D 21:21:48 i use liters you damn furriner 21:22:09 CADD: I skimmed the wikipédia article, so I really don't understand what's happening. proper documentation is in order. 21:22:13 never let the facts get in the way of a good pitchfork mob 21:22:26 boily: at first i was saying wat to Bike, but accidentally said you, then i read your statement after his and said wat, but this time to yo 21:22:41 kmc: ikr? 21:22:48 Bike: furriner? 21:22:49 boily: you pay some amount now and you get some quantity of a good n months in the future 21:22:57 boily: pretty straightforward 21:23:06 kmc: oh. if that's the case, no problem with that. 21:23:20 mrhmouse: lol, i cant speel todai 21:23:21 and you can sell that contract in the meantime, in which case whoever buys it gets the good 21:23:46 kmc: so you can make a profit by selling the contract? 21:23:57 if you are good at it, yes 21:24:05 boily: kmc said it very well, there is no "evil NWO magic" to it 21:24:20 CADD: I am disappoint. 21:24:29 kmc: fascinating. 21:24:52 boily: not to say that there have been plenty of conspiracies, look at watergate, the gulf of tonkin, and operation notrhwoods :P 21:24:57 you can also take a loss of course 21:25:03 precisely 21:25:22 boily: thats what i meant by saying they arent money printing machines, unlike the federal reserve 21:25:35 I seeeeeeeee... 21:25:58 and even literally printing money has its purposes. 21:26:15 boily: the thing is that nobody knows exactly what the price of buying potatoes "on the spot" will be in 6 months, so the market price of a futures contract will vary as estimates of that future price change 21:26:20 oerjan: http://i.imgur.com/PtXdfsj.png (frontpaging on reddit) 21:26:28 https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8v5tskgKu1rpj06qo1_1280.jpg i'm very rady for this 21:26:48 Bike: yeah, its called counterfeit or some people even shave coins 21:27:01 boily: there's an Underworld music video like that but filmed from a train. it rules 21:27:15 I hereby ban libertarianism. 21:27:16 kmc: is a futures contract public? if so, wouldn't that change what the future price of the asset will be? 21:27:17 well, except it's flipped instead of water, probably, but it makes it look like water 21:27:21 Bike: that is actually why coins these days have those lines running around their edges, it makes it really easy to see if a coin has been shaved 21:27:27 boily: they are often publicly traded yes 21:27:28 Bike: wanna. 21:27:29 boily: hm that looks like it might be from trondheim? 21:27:36 oerjan: that is indeed the case. 21:27:40 wanna what 21:28:13 Bike: the video. 21:28:21 oh 21:29:00 CADD: most establishments don't think to reject a coin that's missing those lines, though, if it looks worn 21:29:22 banks might, but not many other places where the money-handlers are typically teenagers 21:29:22 boily: anyway why would it affect the spot price? 21:29:26 -!- evalj has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:29:31 hm is there a way to see the normal reddit frontpage without logging out 21:29:33 mrhmouse: lol, sure. that and its really not all that profitable to do. unless they are gold coins. 21:29:53 kmc: it won't, but then you can influence the market so that you can make someone else gain or lose money. 21:29:53 CADD: in which case, many teenagers won't believe they're legal tender 21:29:58 -!- evalj has joined. 21:30:06 kmc: (unless I'm completely mistaken.) 21:30:28 oerjan: http://www.reddit.com/r/all/ 21:30:30 mrhmouse: XD 21:30:58 boily: how can you make someone else gain or lose money if you all have access to the same information and can take the same actions? 21:31:04 in fact, most counterfeiting can be gotten away with if you avoid exchanging it with someone that could possibly think to check it 21:31:05 -!- Bike_ has joined. 21:31:07 mrhmouse: well, they technechally arent "legal" anymore, but anyone who know barely anything will accept them 21:31:13 kmc: ah. point. 21:31:14 boily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpCmYXwCHZY 21:31:19 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 21:31:22 CADD: > teenagers 21:31:22 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 21:31:28 thike. 21:31:44 beautiful burnnnnnout~ 21:31:52 mrhmouse: lol, saw a video of a guy trying to sell a 1Oz gold coing for $50. the man was even in front of a cash4gold place. 21:31:58 boily: in practice people do come up with all kinds of market manipulation schemes, in all kinds of markets, some of which are illegal 21:32:00 oh, my mistake about the source 21:32:00 kmc: you can still be lucky. but usually one of those assumptions turns out to be false 21:32:02 high traffic hours in grocery stores checkout lines are the best times and places to use an almost-legit bill, since a hurried kid isn't likely to check your paper 21:32:30 mrhmouse: lol, yeah. but it has to feel right to be enough to pass. cotton and all. 21:32:32 e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_maker 21:32:41 kmc: most fascinating. 21:32:47 what about market makers? what does that have to do with manipulation? 21:32:50 CADD: right, but it isn't difficult to repurpose a lower-value bill 21:32:57 Bike: there, another one I like → http://vimeo.com/68546202 21:33:14 it's from some kind of short film called Shinkansen and oh i see you're perfectly capable of reading video descriptions. 21:33:19 mrhmouse: you are completely right. 21:33:34 kmc: it's just an example of an asymmetry. market makers have more options than normal traders. (and more obligations) 21:33:44 boily: let's build a printing press 21:33:47 mrhmouse: oh man, this brings back memories of places like totse.. 21:34:12 int-e: oh, you are using the term "market maker" to describe the regulatory status of registered broker-dealers and such, rather than just the trading strategy of market making 21:34:15 okay 21:34:26 mrhmouse: never done it myself, but its amazing how much of this info is available freely on the internet 21:34:37 boily: you're the easiest to blame^H^H^H^H^Hstart that sort of thing with 21:35:19 sometimes you are allowed to pursue a market-making strategy without any special status as a market participant 21:35:30 mrhmouse: I am Canadian. we'd have to print vinyl money. 21:35:38 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:35:47 time to go finish up xmas shopping. 21:35:49 boily: Canadian coins are vinyl? 21:35:56 mrhmouse: banknotes. 21:36:01 they even have short tracks on them 21:36:08 I never knew! 21:36:12 * boily wishes that loonies were made of vinyl :D 21:36:21 Bike: ha ha ha! 21:36:22 bits of "O Canada" and also Bjork songs 21:36:26 boily: yup, and even some countries have embedded transparent parts. so its even more difficult to re-purpose lower valued bills 21:36:58 our bills have transparent sections, with pictures of Her Majesty. 21:37:03 -!- evalj has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:37:07 -!- boily has quit (Quit: POULET DE NOËL!). 21:37:09 not here in the states.. you have to take time to check identifying marks like metallic strips, watermarks, etc.. they aren't glaringly obvious like they should be 21:37:11 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:37:19 boily: right, that is exactly what i was getting at. i though canada had them as well 21:38:03 mrhmouse: well, soon enough it will be all bitcoins. lol 21:38:15 -!- ^v has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:38:26 silly analog currencies 21:38:34 -!- ^v has joined. 21:42:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:43:29 CADD: I refuse to accept any currency besides impromptu song & dance numbers 21:45:43 CADD: hilarious TTG stories are also acceptable 21:47:48 mrhmouse: well there is this one story that this guy on irc, where he told me that he would only take payment in currency that was less fungable than most of the currency that i had to offer, so then I decided to make a horrible TTG imitation of a story 21:48:09 21:48:13 "hilarious" was clearly specified 21:48:29 darn, i guess its to the guillotine with me.. 21:49:17 mrhmouse: TTG? 21:52:36 tabletop game 21:52:51 Bike: ty 22:04:43 a fungible currency is one that can go up in smoke? *wonders* 22:05:13 fungot: advice on fungibility 22:05:14 Bike: i'm sooooooooo close to a bus. neths 1.8.03 also adds fluffy bunnies for remote users. 22:05:28 * kmc wonders if that's a pun he doesn't get 22:05:58 fungible just means the units are interchangeable... one dollar is as good as another 22:07:37 so it has nothing to do with mushrooms. boring. 22:07:53 i don't know of any smokable mushrooms 22:08:08 kmc: how unambitious 22:08:10 douglass_ might 22:08:19 mushrooms are not smokable? 22:08:52 I mean, you can try 22:08:57 but i don't think anything good will happen 22:08:59 olsner: you're attacking the wrong end of the association chain 22:09:29 oh. kmc is. 22:10:12 the meat club at my school had an event advertised as "smoke anything up to the size of a small turkey" 22:10:37 is the funny thing supposed to be the implication of #drugz or the fact that there was a club for meat 22:10:39 Quoth the Internet, "You can also smoke dried mushrooms. It's a bit milder than eating them or making tea, but you need to use more mushrooms." 22:11:57 int-e: psilocybin-containing mushrooms? 22:12:13 strange 22:12:26 hm. when you smoke something psychoactive is it an aerosol or what 22:13:07 beats me 22:13:16 that, or vapors 22:13:35 all my knowledge here is from chemical weapons, so uh 22:14:22 sarin isn't a gas at human-livable temperatures and pressures. it's aerosolized in weapon form (unless you're aum shinrikyo) 22:15:53 so 'sarin gas' is rather a misnomer. just a fact to keep in mind for parties. 22:16:15 what did aum do 22:16:31 I've seen claims that you can smoke the top layer of an Amanita muscaria cap and it will be psychoactive. 22:16:43 they made plastic bags filled with sarin (liquid) and then jabbed them 22:17:39 But people mostly agree that smoking psilocybin-containing mushrooms will just make you cough. 22:20:17 i should ask the #drugz people at school if i can make a can of THC like a can of spray paint, i'm sure they'll be thrilled 22:22:39 hmm, I think I've heard about spray cannabis before somewhere 22:22:48 And I have no idea whatsoever about whatever the fuck other chemicals are in various Gymnopilus species. 22:23:29 -!- augur has joined. 22:24:29 Amanita muscaria doesn't have psylocybin, and I know it does get used as a hallucinogen. I don't know about smoking it thugh 22:24:36 Also if I wanted to try A. muscaria, I'd cook it, not smoke it. Ibotenic acid is a flavor enhancer (like MSG) and lots of people say A. muscaria is one of the most delicious wild mushrooms there is. 22:25:11 Mushrooms that have psylocybin in them taste rather horrible 22:25:19 I am aware of this. 22:25:46 You could probably feed A. muscaria to a reindeer and drink the piss 22:26:42 Why? I was under the impression that cooking did most of the same desired conversion to muscimol and with much tastier results. 22:26:52 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 22:26:56 Also, reindeer are not a common backyard pet in my area. 22:27:27 I don't know 22:27:28 http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/12/18/2122226/scientists-extract-rsa-key-from-gnupg-using-sound-of-cpu?utm_source=butt&utm_medium=butt 22:27:35 Does anyone know what kind of computers the Luna probes used? 22:29:28 christ, nasa's page doesn't even specify what agency they were under 22:29:49 FreeFull: they don't always 22:29:53 taste horrible I mean 22:34:06 right, varies by species + personal taste. some people even think Gymnopilus species are tasty (which may be due to variance in bitterness receptors. Many mushrooms in the genus Gymnopilus contain psilocybin but also some other stuff.) 22:36:26 (Gymnopiluses are usually described as intensely bitter, which was my opinion of the non-psilocybin-containing G. ventricosus that I found and made dye from. It smelled pretty good though.) 22:37:07 I had some P. galindoi sclerotia and they tasted... not like food, but definitely not "horrible" 22:37:49 Taxonomy note: P. galindoi is now declared synonymous with P. mexicana. 22:38:28 kind of like eating wax with a slight, unusual "crisp" taste reminiscent of mineral water or that time I ate some raw saffron 22:38:33 hard to describe 22:38:41 douglass_: ah 22:38:51 fungot: are you synonymous with P. mexicana 22:38:52 kmc: let's do it from the server 22:39:11 fungot: are you edible? 22:39:12 olsner: all things has a price?) 22:39:15 :O 22:39:53 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:40:44 (though who the fuck knows which species those really were anyway) 22:41:30 Also, reindeer are not a common backyard pet in my area. <--- yet another reason to move to finland 22:42:09 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:42:28 all we have here are cats, snails, and hippies 22:43:01 -!- `^_^v has joined. 22:44:17 -!- Taneb has joined. 22:44:25 you have hippies in the back yard? 22:44:50 they have themselves 22:44:54 also neighbors 22:45:35 roe deer may be hunted from the start of may to middle of june, because they're less radioactive in the summer 22:47:04 http://kch.zf.jcu.cz/vyzkum/publikace/separaty/Mushroom%20radioactivity%202012.pdf 22:47:33 this agrees with you, say they are radioactive in the fall mushroom season 22:48:07 There is fungus in Chernobyl that uses radioactivity as a source of energy 22:51:17 "A History of APL in the USSR", yeah i'm fucked 22:52:05 it's cool how there's like no central repository of ISBN publisher identifiers 22:52:38 -!- Taneb_ has joined. 22:52:48 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:53:00 oh, nevermind, it exists, as a printed book 22:53:01 fuckers 22:53:04 -!- Taneb_ has changed nick to Taneb. 22:53:46 and the ebook only costs fifteen hundred euros! 22:56:05 -!- tertu has joined. 22:56:45 Bike: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=130647.130656 22:57:06 yes 22:57:13 :D 22:58:00 what i was actually looking for was a russian-language book that doesn't exist anywhere on the english-language web, apparently 22:58:52 Bike: oh, so not the same? 23:04:15 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:08:49 -!- mrhmouse has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 23:09:28 -!- Bike has joined. 23:27:40 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 23:37:45 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:48:19 -!- Bike_ has joined. 23:49:25 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:52:18 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 23:57:44 -!- Sgeo has joined.